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Welcome to Little Talks, your weekly dose of marketing news, trends, and insights from Littlefield Agency.
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Grab your coffee, turn up the volume, and let's get into it.
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Welcome back to another edition of Little Talks with Littlefield Agency.
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I am Sam Littlefield, sugared up, ready to go with my co-partner here.
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Rupe.
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So we bring in uh bagels on, and Claude is here, of course.
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We love love having Claude here on the pod.
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She's gonna uh do some are you doing some talking today, kinda?
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Yeah.
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And chime in.
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She doesn't want to be on camera, but uh I'm changing alarm systems at work from home this morning and um walk in there, sugar lamas.
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And uh we we usually do bagels um every Monday, and I guess we switched it up this week, which I told Sarah I was like, hey, that's great, but we can't do this every week because we've got a budget to stick to.
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Oh, Sarah got them?
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Oh, that's awesome.
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Yeah, and then because I know you don't like bagels, and then Julie Evans brings pumpkin banana bread.
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See, I like both those things.
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And then we have staff eating lunch on Wednesday, which is fajitas, and then Thursday is our quarterly offsite, and you get a nice summit club lunch.
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And Roop, if he doesn't give me a tin on my Q3 offsite, I'm gonna be pissed.
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Well, see what happens.
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Let's see how the meeting goes.
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Well, you know what?
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We got some great news.
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We actually had some very fun news this week.
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It is great to um interact with our listeners.
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Uh the first thing is Kendall Kayler.
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We call her Kenny.
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Her name is her last name's not Kaylor anymore.
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Kenny Miles.
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Sounds like a saxophonist.
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Oh, that's gonna take some getting into it.
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Got married.
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Kenny is married, she's hitched.
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Claudia was at the wedding.
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Um, I saw pictures and videos.
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It looked unbelievable.
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It was beautiful.
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Holy smokes.
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Very beautiful actress Emma Roberts was at the wedding.
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Emma Roberts was at the wedding at the Merck.
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Uh Claude got to meet Emma, said she was quite lovely.
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So Emma.
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Claude even plugged the pod.
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No, she didn't, but that'd be that'd have been cool.
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Wait, what was your drink of choice on uh Saturday night?
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Uh I was Cocktail or wine?
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I was drinking some mules.
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They had that was one of the special teams.
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Love good mules.
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Okay.
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I was having some mules, and then I was drinking wine too.
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Love it.
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Mule mule and wine night.
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That's wonderful.
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So Kenny, Kenny Miles literally sounds like a saxophone.
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Who's the saxophone guy?
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Kenny G's who you're drinking.
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Yeah, Kenny Miles, though, does sound like Miles Davis.
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Miles Davis.
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Yeah, so Kenny, Kenny Miles.
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There we go.
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Kenny, we're so excited for you.
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She is on her honeymoon.
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Where's she honeymooning?
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I'm not sure.
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Okay.
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Well, she's on her honeymoon.
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She's living the dream, and her dream came true.
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So what a uh what a great thing.
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Um, big news for us that we had zero idea of expecting.
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Um, we had our media and analytics team in Denver last week for a Mogul as a media partner of ours.
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Great people, Andrew and Marty.
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We've uh we just had Matt Fogarty on our podcast a couple weeks ago, check that out.
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And then they had two people come here.
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And they had two people come here when I was out in Florida, and then we sent the entire media and analytics team to Denver for their annual conference, and it's you know just best practices learning, how how can we you know better serve our clients?
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And on the last day, we get inundated with pictures and news that our agency won Mogul's agency partner of the year.
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Which is huge.
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Yeah, didn't see that coming.
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Well, and then Chris Kaiser, you know, who loves the spotlight, gets up there and gives a freaking speech.
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Yeah, and he's kissing babies.
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It's amazing.
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Great.
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Uh Mogul has stayed in our vernacular the last month.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Every week there has been something mogul happening.
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Yeah, no, it's been that they're they're an awesome partner, and now we're really loving them because out of all the agency, I mean they work with a lot of agencies across the nation, and we were agency of the year, which is just really cool.
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So uh Chris and Kelly, Cime, Tom, Mel, and Beth, congratulations.
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That is just super cool.
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You can see them winning the award on our LinkedIn.
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Yeah, there's a there's a LinkedIn post, Cloud Nice Jobs on uh IG, IG post, maybe too.
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Yeah, we're just we're just cruising.
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Um, and then the last thing is uh tomorrow morning I fly out.
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It's a very quick day trip.
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I land in Nashville at 9 a.m.
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I come home, I'm back in Tulsa uh later that evening.
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Um, supporting my guy, a savant, a marketing wizard, Trent Guyer, our client.
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We cannot wait um to see you.
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It'll just be uh me in Nashville.
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Uh Trent is speaking, so there's a huge conference called Shop Talk.
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Thousands attend.
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Um, and I believe there's a one or two Shop Talks a year.
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Their fall edition is in Nashville.
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There's a few thousand attendees, and Master B2B, Trent and I were at their uh conference in Chicago earlier this year.
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Um they had their first ever segment at Shop Talk, and Trent is on a frickin' panel.
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I know.
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We knew him when.
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He's always don't forget about us, he's our season ender every year.
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Yeah, 100% is our season.
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Our season finale.
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Um he and I are actually so I fly in tomorrow morning.
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Trent speaks around one o'clock.
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Um he's on a pan panel with a guy named Jared Abelson.
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Jared's a great guy.
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I've met him in Chicago.
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He's hilarious.
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I think those two are gonna just play really, really well off of each other.
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And then um, Trent and I literally go to uh we enjoy the rest of the conference.
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We're gonna go to dinner, we're gonna talk about our podcast finale because we're gonna solidify a date, and then um and then I jet back.
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So, Trent, we're really excited to uh to see you in action, um to see you uh Jared, Brian Beck, Andy Hoare, um all the people at Master B2B.
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So we've got a uh we've got a fun week ahead.
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I wish you were coming with me, dude.
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I've done a lot of travel lately myself.
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As have you.
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It's been a lot of travel lately.
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Well, you know, it's funny too.
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We're talking Julie Evans, who's our head of finance in HR, she was actually in Vermont.
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We forgot to plug last week.
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She's in Vermont.
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So we had Vermont, we had Denver, we had Boston the weight.
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Boston the week before, I'm in Nashville tomorrow.
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Um and we're just roadrunning, man.
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That's good, it's a good time.
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So I'm actually in Idaho next week for a magnet thing.
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We'll we'll talk about that more.
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But um let's get into our topic.
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Claude, let's do it.
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Rude, what's our topic uh today?
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Well, we're we're following up from our sessions at Unbound and Specialized Content.
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Yep, yep.
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So uh uh kind of taking some of the things we we learned there and putting them into single episodes.
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So this week, maybe next week and the week after, we've definitely got some stuff from Unbound, we'll dive deeper into.
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But we're calling today.
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I mean, I'm I'm eating my cake immediately because this is the every year my favorite sessions are from Jay Schwedelson.
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Uh-huh.
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And uh Jay had uh two or three three sessions this year.
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Which is which is amazing.
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That's really cool.
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We missed him on the main stage, unfortunately.
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We were sorry, Jay.
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Wow.
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We were we were double booked.
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Wow, guys.
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But it was the one to miss because he released a YouTube video of the whole thing.
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Is that what you slacked me on Friday?
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We're gonna watch that this afternoon.
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Oh, cool.
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I might join you.
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Yeah, it would be good.
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Um but the one the one we went to that uh we're gonna talk about today, uh by the way, the script just says J Day.
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Yeah, not May Day.
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This is J Day.
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Um there were multiple J Days at Unbound, but um the one one we get the most out of, I think, was the one we actually got to attend, where he gives us tips and tricks and learnings and things.
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And by the way, Jay doesn't, I suspect, does not do all this himself.
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He has a massive team of people.
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He's got incredible teams.
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Running tests and trying things out and uh pulling analytics working.
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Well, and what I love, if you've never sat in on a Jay Schwedelson presentation, it's just rapid fire.
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I mean, he's just he's just filled with facts and it's really, really cool.
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And obviously he's very entertaining, he's very engaging.
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Um if you haven't checked our podcast, he will sing if we think you know he does it all.
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He's a man of many trades.
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And if you want to talk reality TV with anybody, you want to talk about it.
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But but he really he's he's entertaining, he's engaging, but he is is just a vast amount of knowledge.
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And so I think you're gonna hit through some highlights, you and Claudia today.
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We learn something every year from Jay, um, usually around email.
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This year it's kind of a combo of email and AI.
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Nice um he's starting to talk more about AI in in this speeches and things I've seen him give uh lately.
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Good.
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Take it away, my friend.
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Yeah, we've got like kind of six quick bullets here we thought we'd go through.
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Yeah, do you like a rapid fire?
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Channel that Jay energy.
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Let's see it.
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Give everyone a sneak peek.
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I I wish I had his energy, I really do.
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Um, how many cups of coffee are you in right now?
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One and a half, stiff, my knee hurts, I got problems.
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Wow, geez.
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Okay, well, with that being said, get it together, boy.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So stuff we learned from Jay this year.
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Um one was something that I had already had uh some insight into and some s some thoughts about, and he kind of solidified them.
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This idea of live text decides what gets read and your read in your inbox now.
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Okay.
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So Elaborate.
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Anyone that has opened email uh in Apple Mail or Gmail, or I assume Outlook, I don't use Microsoft products, but I assume Outlook has a little AI helper up at the top that will summarize your inbox and kind of try to surface what it believes is most important for you to read.
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Prioritize this thing.
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Yeah, prioritize this.
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Leslie literally just did this last week.
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Leslie did you you've told me Dr.
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Todd does this.
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Dr.
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Todd does it.
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I have not yet, I probably will, but behind in the times.
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The number is anywhere from 10 to 20 percent of people who use these email clients now do leverage and and rely on and use the AI uh summary of their inbox.
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I just I have a feeling that number just continues to grow.
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Well, I kind of get it.
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Um the first thing I do in the morning when I wake up is go through the tabs and delete the 49 messages that are promotionals I got every night.
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Um I kind of look forward to a world where I don't have to do that.
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AI can just I I don't want these.
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Unsubscribe, handle them for me.
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I just want the stuff that Sam sent me that he thought of this morning.
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Oh, thank you.
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Well, you're one of my pro yeah, you're a priority on my list.
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How honored, thank you.
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He's the boss, he has to be.
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Um I don't want to hear it.
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Yeah, him and my wife.
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Sorry.
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So uh anyhow, the AI kind of summarizes your inbox and floats to the top what is most important.
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And uh if your your emails are all image uh based, uh AI doesn't read an image and they don't spend the extra energy when they're sending bots out to your website or to your inbox to take that image and figure out what's in it.
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It takes a lot of tokens and overhead to do that.
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You can do it yourself uh in in uh Claude and ChatGPT and things like that, Gemini.
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But it doesn't that's not how it works when the bots are crawling.
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So he started talking about a thing called live text and how it decides what gets read.
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So AI inboxes, um, those summaries, yeah, Microsoft has one.
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It's called copilot.
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They only read type text, not words baked into images, logos, or alt text.
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They don't even read the alt text on an image.
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They hit that image bracket code and they're out.
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Um so it means that if you are leading with images or have a lot of images in your uh email, it's probably not even going to get surfaced to AI summary or overviews are the top of your inbox because there's no way for AI to understand what it's about.
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Um Microsoft reports 30 million paid copilot seats, and JSI did some data showing 64% of AI email summaries misrepresented the original.
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And I and by the way, they do.
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They all that they'll be like, hey, it's uh the other day I had something, I was like, what?
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I clicked on it and it was not that at all.
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So well I have two thoughts on that.
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One, it's important to be clear and not use over uh overly exaggerated sales type language in your emails because AI will confuse it or not read it at all.
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Unless you're trying to get people to open it, like Sam just did, and it's like, what is this?
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This is a confusing click, and then you go into it.
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So then I'm then I'm just for flustering.
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Right, right.
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Okay.
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So the thing is you want good, clean text in your email.
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You want to be clear and concise about what you're doing.
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And there's some actually um AEO principles that apply to web pages that are kind of relevant here.
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Like you know, bullet points are good, uh easily summarizable by AI.
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Um but anyhow, live text is the thing.
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Okay.
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Probably here's talk a lot more about it moving forward.
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Um I think there was even a line in one of these that said uh on one of the slides that said, sorry, um, sorry, creative department.
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Oh, yeah.
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You're not needed here anymore.
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And I was like, mm-hmm.
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Our guys are gonna love it.
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You're gonna love that.
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But um anyhow, I get it.
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I get what he's after.
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Live text is important.
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Um writing the first sentence for the AI.
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Oh, that's yeah.
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So putting action, product, and deadline, the first 200 live text characters lifted click-through rates by 20 percent.
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Okay.
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Um so that just means the average Gmail AI summary is only 29 words.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So he talked a lot about how you're building these summaries and making these emails.
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And he he said, you know, this email already operates as an HTML 1.0.
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It's already very basic.
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I don't know why it's still this way.
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Well, and that's what that's what I'm gonna bring up because I think it's hilarious.
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You know, Jay says it's 1995 all over again.
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And you're talking about bullet points, and that's exactly like I go back to those 90s emails and and landing pages, right?
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Text, text, text, text.
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I mean, you know, I I I think um authentic humans are are again the key here.
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And uh you know, things that surface and keep you out of the promotional tab or or or help you stay in the AI overview summaries are being a human.
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So emails that come from Sam Littlefield versus emails that come from Littlefield Agency make the difference there.
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Yeah, totally.
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Yeah, so talk to me about a listicle.
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Yeah, so these listicles are articles that have a lot of lists to them.
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So like top ten this, top five.
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You don't say.
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It's pretty simple.
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I don't know why you asked.
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Um but those are those are ones.
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Yeah, those are ones that are winning right now.
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That one's that one really caught my eye.
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That was in a lot of sessions, I think.
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Uh Claude, did you hear about it?
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I uh heard it a couple times that listicles were they're in.
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They they were the most cited format for um germ division.
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It's because it's easy for AI to understand.
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Yeah.
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And that was one of his points that stuck out to me was make it impossible to misunderstand.
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Yes.
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AI is just whatever.
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Simple, no, no.
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So we're really saying concise, simple, straightforward.
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Yeah.
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Even for humans, most people will scan bullet points before they'll read paragraphs like that.
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I mean, that's at the I yeah, that's my natural go-to these days.
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I mean, it's kind of dumb and down the internet, but isn't it already?
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You've always done that, though.
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That's true.
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That's true.
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Um, you give Roop a book, he reads headlines.
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I look for the audiobook.
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Read two.
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Yeah, right.
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Correct.
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Okay, this this extra is good.
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Recency is a ranking signal for AI.
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So you remember the days where we used to like repurpose our own blog posts and we just like slap a new date, do a couple of you know things in.
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I think this is different now, right?
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Yeah, that's not gonna cut it quite anymore.
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You remember those days though?
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Yes.
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Good days.
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Yes.
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You can still do some of that as long as you're adding to that article.
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With recent information.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You can't just change a date though.
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Um and the recency here for as a ranking signal for AI, um, this started kind of surfacing a couple of months ago.
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Uh there were, again, several sessions at Beyond Jay's even at Unbound that talked about this.
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And the the idea is that um somewhere within, I think it was six weeks, is about the length that an article will be cited by AI before they move on to the next thing.
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Yep.
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Which makes you think, oh my God, that means I gotta write the same article or the same concept over and over every f every you know, six times a year.
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But you don't, actually.
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Um in in fact, I think in some niches like B2B, there's not a lot of content being generated for it anyhow.
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So like you probably have a little bit longer shelf life there for the content you have.
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Um but it just means you know, keep it fresh, have an ongoing program, always be ready to have content out there um to be digested, and and you can't, you know, once a month isn't enough.
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Well, and I I look at it too, just in my own you know, human digestion of how I go and sift through content.
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If something's well over a year, I don't even pay attention to it.
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You know, I remember years ago, before the pandemic, right?
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If something was in like two or three years, okay, that's that's good.
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That's decent.
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That's decent.
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Um now it's like, man, I'm looking within the last six months.
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Seriously.
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Yeah.
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And there's something to do.
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That's over a year, I think.
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You think right?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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365 in a year, my friend.
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Yeah.
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Good job.
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Those are newer than Google results.
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So content with a recent date in the title is 50% more likely to appear in LLM results.
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Yeah.
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So if you've got an article that says something in the headline about, you know, this quarter or this year or this month, those kind of things do well.
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Um and pages not updated in a year are two times less likely to be cited at all.
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This next one is good.
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Uh un-AI your copy and lean into human content.
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So it's really we all know, you know, AI slot, we talk about it all the time.
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Um it's actually starting to, I'm really seeing it on LinkedIn lately.
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Um and don't don't get me wrong, right?
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I because chat chat knows my voice and who I am so well through everything that I've fed it over the last couple of years.
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Um, I'm always soundboarding when I do my you know a couple of LinkedIn posts a week.
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Um, but I really edit it from a Sam standpoint because it's just getting ridiculous.
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And I do just this morning as I went through and you know caught up over the weekend with LinkedIn, I'm like, yep, chat.
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Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.
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And it's just it's it's almost annoying.
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So we're gonna we're actually gonna do a whole uh episode um podcast coming up maybe next week even on LinkedIn.
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I think we should have a lot of that'd be a good uh natural cycle.
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It's been all over the place with how they um handle AI.
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At one point they had uh AI helpers on every post to help you write and do things.
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Then they got rid of that and added a button for folks that said, Do you think this is AI slot?
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Literally the word AI slot.
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Yeah.
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So you could you could report suspected AI users, even though they just encouraged it.
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Now that button's kind of disappearing and they're kind of adding it back in a few places.
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Um Microsoft's making some purchases and deals with Reddit, which used to be a big citation source for everyone else.
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Now it's not as much.
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Will it become important for um uh co-pilot in LinkedIn?
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I don't know.
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Yeah, right.
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We'll do a whole episode.
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Uh recently, I think you were with me, is when the Oklahoma State professors came over to pick our m minds on all things AI.
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And they told us that um students are actually this is kind of an aside, but relevant.
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Um, they're actually turning in papers with like purposeful mistakes um just so they don't think that AI perfectly wrote something.
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And I was like, they're intentionally making their paper bad, and they're like, yeah, it's insane.
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And I go, wow, that is just what a what a time to be alive.
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But yeah, I I couldn't I I'm really starting to pick up on this, and I'm I'm interested to see also how LLMs digest this content that doesn't have more human in the loop.
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So uh words like unlock, elevate, leverage, seamless, these are all uh AI words that uh Oh my god, what if L what if LFG was an AI word?
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I'd be screwed.
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It wasn't out there.
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I I checked.
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First thing was you checked, yeah.
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Thank God.
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Thanks, Claude.
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My lord.
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Um there were some other kind of uh human content that uh we're doing what people feel like are doing really well.
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Behind the scenes content, that's stuff AI can't really generate.
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Yeah, and I like this too, right?
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So uh walking selfie videos, which is really interesting.
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Uh Leslie is on my you know what.
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She's like, you gotta start like just like walking and talking.
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And you walk a lot.
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And and I do, I walk well, I do walk a lock.
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Um she called it Sidewalk with Sammy.
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I was like, oh, she kind of like that.
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Sidewalk with Sammy.
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49% higher completion on LinkedIn um of selfie videos and a visible play button and emails lifted click through.
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34%.
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That's good.
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Pretty good numbers.
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We randomly did before we saw this, I think.
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We were doing walk and talk video summaries, I think day one and day two on LinkedIn.
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Yeah.
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And I saw this and I was like, yeah.
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Um but the the concept there is a inbound.
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Yeah, it is.
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So the concept there is similar to what we've been saying, that lo-fi kind of authentic content where you're there's a human facing the camera and this last one was kind of kind of fun, interesting.
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Yeah, I don't use these.
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I I'm gonna have a hard time pronouncing the word.
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Uh so call she and uh polymarket.
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Do you are you familiar with those at all?
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Polymarket, maybe?
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I'm familiar with call she because it's all over my social media.
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Uh dude, the amount of ads.
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I've had to block it.
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No.
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That's so full of it.
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It's crazy.
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I it's they've made a I can't even imagine their media budget right now, but it is they're basically targeting the whole world.
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Um polymarket, of course.
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But dude, what if so he's Jay's suggesting prediction markets like Polymarket and Call Shi as a source of content ideas, which is not a bad idea.
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Yeah, he said it's actually shockingly uh has been pretty accurate for him.
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So he can ask it things in his in in any industry, in whatever your industry is.
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What's going to be the trending uh ideas or news in the coming six months, and you'll get a list back with odds on which one's which.
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There you go.
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So place your bet, baby.
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There's this place your bet first.
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This is your dream.
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I am somehow not getting ads for these at all.
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I only know about them from like sessions.
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You should be their number one target.
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I have been getting them nonstop.
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It is crazy.
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And you can literally bet on anything.
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Anything far here.
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The one some of the ones for me is like pop culture.
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Yeah.
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It's like who's gonna end up with who.
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When I was watching Love Island, I was like, oh wow, we're betting on this.
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Dude, my favorite was uh um where uh are Taylor Swift and Kelsey gonna get married.
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Like, or and and oh, when will they will they get engaged by this month or this month?
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Ridiculous.
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Who's putting money on that?
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Somebody is.
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I know.
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I know you're angry.
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A lot of people are soon.
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Yeah.
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Um what a crazy world.
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Leveraging something like that.
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This is just kind of the way you get ideas like this, but I would have never thought of using a tool like this to leverage future content ideas, but like just get there for sure.
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Yeah.
00:20:31.279 --> 00:20:35.920
So those are uh some six uh tips and tricks from our boy Jay, the old J Day.
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And uh this is good.
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Uh there's a couple here that that hit home for me, and uh I think we've got some some good notes and next steps there.
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Um Claude, any closing thoughts there?
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No.
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Next week, I think we should dive into LinkedIn.
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I think I think it's timely.
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I'd uh I I think it'll be good for our listeners from a brand standpoint, also from an individual.
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Um there's I'm starting to see some brands that I follow on LinkedIn, B2B brands, uh manufacturers that are actually like you can they've significantly stepped up the game.
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I actually really enjoy watching their content.
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It's impressive.
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Yeah.
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Um so I think we should have a whole spiel on that.
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But in the meantime, I will uh I'll be with Trent in Nashville.
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I'm pumped, and uh, we'll be back at it next week, and it'll be uh it'll be a good time.
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Yeah.
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Sound good?
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Uh I agree to it, I guess.
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Uh is your back feeling better?
00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:19.119
It's my knee.
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Your knee?
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No, it's not.
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Okay.
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It popped out of hill before this.
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I'm I'm happy to.
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That's Littlefield team first, baby.
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On that note, you all have a wonderful week.
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We will see you.
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We will go uh I'll help I'll provide some content, some photos, some whatever from Shop Talk uh with Trent.
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And uh we'll get back to you next week.
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Thanks so much.
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Adios.
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Bye bye.
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And that's a wrap.
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