"CROSSED CONNECTIONS" recap!

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If you're listening right now to the Little House fiftieth
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Anniversary Podcast, we know something about you.
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We know that you're obsessed with Little House of the Prairie.
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For more than half a century, Little House on the Prairie,
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the series, and the books have been bright lights for
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people all over the world.
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Who seek out goodness, decency, and human connection.
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Here on the Little House fiftieth Anniversary Podcast, we celebrate
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everything that made Little House so special.
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The stories, the characters, the actors, and the messages that
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have made Little House iconic family television and a.
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Perfect counterpoint to a world that feels like it's going
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off the rails every day.
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Where is Michael Landon when we need him most?
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I'm your host, Pamela Bob and I'm your Prairie bitch Alice.
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At Arngrum, and I'm Dean Butler.
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Our hashtag imaginary boyfriend.
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Join us for our loving, quirky, and often irreverent conversations
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about the finest family drama in the history of television.
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And the imperfect people who made it that way, presented
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by our devoted patrons and visit Seami Valley dot com.
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Hi everyone, I was gonna say hello and then I
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changed it to high and it came out high.
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Well.
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Everybody, Hello and hi, I'm Pamela Bob, your host, creator.
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And star of Living on a Prairie. Things are going great.
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I am here with our wonderful prairie bitch Alison Aringram
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and our beloved hashtag imasionary boyfriend who just did a
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spit take.
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I know, I just spilled coffee.
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Hell, we're doing great, you guys.
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Things are good.
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That's what imaginary boyfriends do, is they spill every Actually,
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the imaginery boyfriend never spills anything. I, on the other hand,
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spill everything.
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We spilled the tea here on this podcast. That's what
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we do. How are you guys? Is what's happening in
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the world? In your life?
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Man?
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You know, it feels like fall here in southern It
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really does feel like fall in southern California today, and
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which is which is really nice, although it won't stay
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that way because we always get this burst.
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Of heat that's this Indian summer that.
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Takes us into October, sort of breaks at the end
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of October early November, and then we're into whatever that
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fall thing is for us.
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Yeah, but it's really nice this morning.
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It's perfect weather. In New York.
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It's like nice, low seventies sunny. It's just like brilliant, brilliant, realiant.
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It won't last, it won't last.
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But we haven't started to turn yet, though, have they.
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Just we went on a drive, We went to Harriman
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State Park and went on a hike. Got caught in
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a torrential rainstorm on our hike, but which was actually
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really fun.
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But the LEAs were just.
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Starting, just starting to turn, but just a few. But
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it's coming, it's coming.
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I always remember when I went to New York to
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do into the woods all those years ago. It just
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tells you and I only bring this up because it
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shows how the weather has changed. I went to New
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York in early September to go into rehearsals for that,
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and there was when I was during the time I
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was there, in the first two weeks of September, everything
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changed and the leaves came off the trees and it
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was absolutely gorgeous.
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But it happened in the first two weeks of September. Yeah,
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that doesn't happen anymore.
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Just no, it doesn't.
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It doesn't happen to like way into October and September
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is usually the best weather of the year. It's like brilliant,
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glorious weather. And then sometimes we get these really hot Octobers,
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which is weird when I was a kid. This also
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goes to show you how much the weather has changed.
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When I was a kid, October was cold. Halloween was cold,
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like freezing, like you have to wear your coat over
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your costume, which was always a bummer. It hasn't been
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like that now for Manyris.
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I know, I'm driving in today and I see these clouds,
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rolling skies turning black and great, this huge clouds, and
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I go, oh my god, there's a fire.
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Because.
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Which is this time of year?
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Something is on fire, because why would there be clouds?
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Interesting.
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I love how we legitimately talk about the weather on
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this podcast.
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Yeah, I don't know how we do that, but we were.
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It's a really busy fall for us. I mean, Allison,
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your traveling. We've just talked about Indianapolis last week.
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The Greenfield Greenfield.
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We're preparing this event in Steamy Valley that's very demanding
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time wise.
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We're traveling in between. There there's a lot going on.
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Little House is a very busy world right now. And
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of course the New Theories is wrapping up production in Winnipeg, Canada,
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and we're going to be talking more about that as
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in the in the months ahead.
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But it's it is.
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Wrapping up production after its first season of eight episodes.
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Believe that's what it is, is eight episodes, So you know,
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it's exciting. There's going to be a lot more to
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talk about with Little House in the months at yes.
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There will be.
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And just a reminder, tickets when this drops. Tickets will
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be on sale for our live podcast event November twenty
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have a live stream option deb da da da, so
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you can watch from anywhere around the world. It's going
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to be so much fun. I'm so excited. Don't tell
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who the special guest is.
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But we talk. Oh okay, okay, all right, very good.
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And then also, of course, currently on sale our is
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our event in Simi Valley at Little House on the
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prairiecast Reunions dot Com for information abouadcast.
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Yeah, no, it's going to be really well.
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It's very Christmas y looking website, no question, Yeah, yeah.
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Is it's so pretty. It's really well done. My website
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is beautiful.
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We have but yeah, great guy Michael Sharps in Columbia, California,
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And Michael, if you're listening, you are so.
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Awesome and we have the website feel like we.
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Stumbled into somebody wonderful when we met you and started.
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Working with you. So you know, we're just like Michael's
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been spectacular for us.
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Good good, you deserve it.
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Yeah, yeah, well thank you for that.
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Shall we.
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All right? All right?
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We have a classic Olsen episode, classic in terms of
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how horrible the Olsens are, and a classic Garvy.
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Episode that is so good. It's such a good one.
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But versus produced Brite Prairie Partners and u BN go.
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This is the Little House fiftieth Anniversary podcast. It would
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be weird to talk about a Little House episode if
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it wasn't the Little House fiftieth Anniversary podcast. Just saying, okay,
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we are back, Dean, take it away.
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What episode are we talking about?
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All right?
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Today's episode number one twenty four in the series, Season six,
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episode twelve, Crossed Connections, premiered on December tenth, nineteen seventy nine.
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Written by Don Ballock, who was really came into the
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series around the same time that I did. He may
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have been there for season five as well, but I
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got to know Don quite well as we.
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Were getting into season doing.
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Season six written by Don Ballock, this one directed by.
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Michael I think he had a field day with this Alison.
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So many things, so many things, and it's what cross
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Connections is.
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A tale crossed wiros and crossed hearts. Walnut Grove enters
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the modern age with the arrival of telephone service in
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Walnut Grove, which kind of works because this was eight
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would be seventy nine telephone seventy six. Yes, they started
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putting them in in place, so yes, historically accurate for once.
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Yes, Okay.
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Harry Olson immediately becomes the town's very first and most
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dangerous gossip switchboard operator because.
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They let her run this way.
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Yeah, Harry drops.
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Literally everyone, business deals yep, listened, romantic feelings spilled, confessions weaponized. Yes,
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Walnut Grove is in chaos and the Garvy's. The Garvy's
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are on the verge of divorce.
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Moral of the story. Prairie may room.
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For log cabins, outhouses, and one room schoolhouses, but it
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is not ready for party lines, call waiting and voicemail.
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Adoring for a lot of the Internet stuff people deal
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with now.
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With no care.
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Yes, very much like.
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You know Internet being totally this show is still currently
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relevant today.
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Again, yes, prescient, prescient on the future. It really is.
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I'd forgotten i'd seen that.
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We you know, this was obviously during my first season
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on the program, so I was watching it very closely,
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and I was not in the episode, but I know
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I was in my well, I was in my this
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was my first season. I was in the seven out
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of thirteen part.
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Of my deal. So it's just there were episodes I
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was not going to be in.
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You weren't You weren't introduced till mid season.
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No, no first episode in serios.
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But you only have seven out of thirteen, seven.
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Out of thirteen in each half, and so the way
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that works is you get seven out of thirteen and
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then when the season is picked up for the remainder
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of the season, and it was purchased for the full season,
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so we knew that it was going to be you know,
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I was going to get thirteen or fourteen episodes something
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like that, which I think it was. I think it
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was maybe thirteen episodes I did in the first year.
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My god, even you just saying that, Like, really, I
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can't when that day comes when someone's like you picked
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up into a series you're doing thirteen episodes, is going
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to be an amazing day.
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I know.
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That's the television is so different today, where you know
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your Netflix and all the streams by and they're making five, six,
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maybe eight episodes ten on the outside maybe.
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Which may be a huge commitment. It's a different it's
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a different world. It'll you know.
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It forces people to deal or allows people to deal
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with material in a very different way.
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The sheer volume of content that was being created.
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In those twenty six episodes Frustrated twenty which is still
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crazy for an hour long drama.
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It's so weird.
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I feel very old because we would shoot shows and
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like she says, this aired on and this was shot
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on shoot day, air day, air day. Now I feel
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so silly. I feel very old. People say, so your show,
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when is your show on? Would you like it to
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be on? If you shot ten episodes straight whatever, and
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then you dump them all at once, When is your
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show on normally straight?
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And now whenever you want?
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Right?
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Well now, of course, with things like Roku, where we
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literally are on twenty four hours a day, seven days
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a week, the whole the whole series wrote it rolls
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by in about four and a half days, I think.
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I mean, it's well that full every year that countdown
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to eight days where it's all day, all night, all prairie,
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and it's a week. They get through the whole thing,
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and of course it's on twenty four to seven, but it's.
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A week long.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can want.
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Of I dare you not to go on meds after this?
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Yeah, okay, let's start the so let's get into this.
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The first image is jarring as heck, and the music
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is like but and it is a telephone pole going
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up line Up Grove. And I have to say, it
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is crazy to see this image of like modern day
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all of a sudden hitting Walnut Grove.
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It's really a mind bend in my brain? Was it
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to you? It's crazy?
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It was such a it was so weird.
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Well, what's what's interesting about this was again with so
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many things with serious television. So you saw the poles
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that went to the Garby House. So it's all we're
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going to talk about that, the polls right there connecting
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Ellery's restaurant.
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Once the episode was over, all that went away gone.
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You didn't see those poles?
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Ever again, which.
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Board was still there? That sort of was the thing
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in a couple episodes, Yes, which board figured. But the
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Garbys get rid of their everbody gets nobody wants to
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Nobody wants a phone after this episode, nobody wants a phone,
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but we.
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Do well, So they're getting the phone. They're getting the phone.
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And Carolyn and Ellis walk into the mercantile and they're
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admiring the new telephone poll and this that the phone
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is going, and they say, it's a foolish waste of money.
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I don't even know who I talk to. And it
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reminds me when I will never forget when I first
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heard about Facebook. Someone told me about Facebook, and I
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remember my reaction was.
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Like why who would I?
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And then when Twitter was invented and I first heard
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about Twitter, and I was like, who would ever use that?
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Why would I update people? And what's going on in
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my life every every day? Like what's the purpose? Not
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a clue how this would work? All the telephone you
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would think, hey, this is kind of rad I can
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talk to my family or call the doctor or anybody.
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People, But why would I want this.
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Why would I do that? Right?
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Funny moment right up front, would you know when the
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foreman comes in and introduces Harriet to the switchboard.
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Catherine, this was one of these things.
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And I'm sure Alison you know this story. I mean
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that you were, you were right there. So Katherine didn't
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tell anybody, She didn't rehearse this the way she did.
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It, And it was so wonderfully funny, the way she
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went at the speaker, or that the microphone so loudly,
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and Michael, the the thing with.
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The with the phone man falling off the pole. That
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was not in the scrub.
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It was just that she was loud of lady, why
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you're yelling?
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Right?
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And so Michael added that as an added cut after
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the film, I know.
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Why brilliant did it that way? I have the behind
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Sid tell you why?
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Well? Is it something about her mother? Wasn't it? Her mother?
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Her mom and dad. They would live her dad out
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in the country. I remember Catherine was not young Catherine,
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you know, she died a few years ago, in her nineties.
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So we're talking way back in the day when she
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was a little girl, way back the day, and they
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were out in the country. So they got a phone,
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and it was like this episode, nobody had a fun
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They got a phone, and her father was she said,
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kind of an idgit and he got the phone and
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didn't know what to do it and he went hello,
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I would like scream into the phone and her mother, no, no,
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that's not you.
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Just you just say hello.
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You don't like yellow hooy, you don't like scream at
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the top of your lungs speak. And so she thought
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that was the funniest thing.
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In the world.
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And so that, oh, that grove, that was a lot
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of her stuff, grow growdhood, and that was that was
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absolutely from her drophood.
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She is a once again a masterclass of comedy in
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this episode, and her emotional twists and turns in this
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within a particular paragraph right like, is so insanely good.
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I mean, she's just the most incredible act.
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And because all of it is so truthful, even in
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her ridiculousness, it's all brounded in absolute Harriet Olsen truth,
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which is why you believe it.
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And Allison was so right there through all of this.
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You know, Okay, another favorite favorite movie I.
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Had when she is thank God We're rich, and I
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actually say amen, yes, yes, amen.
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And this is the thing. I love it and I
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mentioned this the other day.
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This episode, there's a lot of that where Nelly will
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invoke just it's absolute blasphemy. Nellie will invoke religion to
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her needs in the most appalling way. There are episodes
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where Nelly has actually quoted scripture at Laura while being
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like the worst freaking person in the world. It's just
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Nellie does something in one episode it's completely vile, and
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then goes judge, not lett she be judged. I mean,
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it's just like she and Harry would go God.
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That we're rich, and she would say, oh man, that this.
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Was well when you go back to the scene that
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we started with here where you brought you brought us
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into the scene where Caroline and Alison, and after that scene,
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after that scene, she says something about it's one thing
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to be poor, but it's another thing to talk about
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it another thing to.
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Tell your friend or to admit it in something.
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Poor or ignorant.
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Yes, and that's why they never amount to anything.
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I have an actual technical slash historical question, so so, uh,
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missus Olsen talks about how how much money she's going
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to make on this franchise of the telephone can you
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explain to me, because I legitimately don't know how did
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this work? How did the telephone work? Like, how how
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are they making Everyone's talking about how expensive it is.
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I have no idea how it works.
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How they pay because are they mailing a check? Are
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they coming down to her and have an account with her?
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Because you would have to pay the person who has
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had the franchise in town that would be your phone
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company before they were a.
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Kind of way, So the franchise was the phone come
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so there was so you would put it.
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Yeah, I don't know that this was an accurate telling
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of how this worked. I just it worked for the
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mythology of the show.
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It works because.
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It's Okay, we're nineteen seventy nine, so it would be
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seventy nine, but eighteen seventy nine. Telephones yept eighteen seventy six,
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and it was eighteen seventy seven when Holmes Booglary Lawn
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Company in Boston.
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Put in her switch knew she was going to have
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and they put it. So companies like the bank, the
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bank has a switchboard.
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They needed it for business, so they installed a switchboard.
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So certain businesses initially installed switchboards because they needed them.
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To communicate with their people, so regular people weren't getting
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them right away, and then you had to pay somebody.
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But I would imagine that the operation of the switchboard. Yeah,
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there had to be some setup where you had to
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pay a fee for these calls from the handling calls.
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How was that administered? Obviously somebody had to come down
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there with the money.
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But and how it worked was if someone needed to
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make a call, they had to go through an operator
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who would then connect.
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Well, you had to ring it. You had to ring
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the operator.
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So I where we grew up, and I've talked about
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our family ranch a lot when I was a little boy.
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Our telephone at the ranch was a party line on
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the road that we were on, so you could if
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you picked up the phone and someone else was talking.
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I mean there could literally only be one call going
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on on this road at one time. And to get
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the operator on the line, you you dialed or something
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and it rang at the switchboard and she could connect
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you to who you were calling. Now, this ended relatively
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early in my youth, but I do remember the and
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the switchboard operator was I don't know she It wasn't
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the phone company where she was, but she was. So
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maybe this is more accurate than than I'm suggesting, because
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she was like the switchboard was in the back of
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a bar in the in the little town where this
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where this was, and the woman was there.
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It was the same woman.
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It was one operator, and she was there seemingly during
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business hours all the time.
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And this was how it was.
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So you could have only made a call during business
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hours when the operator was there.
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Yeah, I don't think.
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Yeah, it wasn't like you could get all hours of
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the day and night and that, you know, the operator
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went home and.
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Went had an operator in the evening.
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Some most didn't.
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But my dad had a height of the depression.
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He was living on a farm in Saskatchewan, and they
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had the thing and he said, yeah, it was like
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at the store. It was the store had the phone
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thing and it was and he said, and it was totally.
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He loved this episode because yes, they had exactly that
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woman running the phone, and every time they made a
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call got it through, they'd go get off the phone, Gertrude,
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we know.
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You're They knew he was listening.
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And there were several old biddies who would get on
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the party line listening and they'd.
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Go I know you're there. I can hear you, and
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I know it's you. Get off the phone. And this
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was a running thing.
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So he thought this episode was like superratcher.
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Jeez, that's terrifying. But okay, yeah, good, it really is.
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I mean it's trolling now.
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It's like you know, now you're you know, someone is
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hacking into your computer much on the party line, just
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where they're listening.
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Yes, yes, yeah.
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All right, okay, thank you for that.
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I knew, I you know, I literally purposely didn't look
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this up on my own because I knew Alison who's
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going to have his.
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You're a good girl.
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Yeah.
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So we start off right away with people dropping information
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that Harriet is going to poach and use to her
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advantage media, right right, Yeah, And of course the first
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thing that happens is the is the pharmaceutical thing because
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Jonathan makes money. But then there's something isn't it the
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same stock exactly? So Harriet ends up getting drawn because he.
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Says, I heard it was no, actually it's not.
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We thought it was a hard because the banker got
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done up just in time.
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It's awful.
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Don't buy it.
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It's a disaster. Do not buy the.
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Stock because right because Doc Baker is also going to get.
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It right, right, right exactly, because he needs to be
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woken up in the middle of the night to come
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and deliver a baby or whatever.
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But also, like, since when, since when does Jonathan play
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the stock market?
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It's so random?
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I mean, I know, it's the story was fabulous, just
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not a thing.
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I'm like, did they even have a bank account? I
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didn't think most of these farmers even had a bank account.
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But anyway, apparently Jonathan's playing the stock market and doing well.
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I wonder how, you know how, I mean a pharmaceutical
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stock in maybe maybe, But I just I feel like
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we're projecting.
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A little bit into that on the prairie. Huge, yeah,
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I mean.
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Look, we're certainly where in American culture we became very
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aware culturally of the stock market in the nineteen twenties
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because of the explosion of the stock market and buying
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on margin and then the depression that resulted, as you know,
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from over extension or the crash that happened because of
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over extension. I'm not sure that you know, thirty years earlier,
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forty years earlier, I'm not sure what kind of stock
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mark that would be. Meaning alson.
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I mean, not on the prairie Gilded Age, so in
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the cities.
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In the cities, it would happen. Now, if you were
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to invest in pharmaceuticals in the eighteen seventies, you would
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be so rich because look at all the drugs in
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the eighteen eighties, there were no fart and all of
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a sudden we suddenly had hills and treatments for things.
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Doc Baker's world blew up.
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The first vaccine, the first cures for anything, the first
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drugs that actually worked that people could buy in the
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patent medicines. You'd probably make the whole hell of a
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lot of money actually investing in pharmacy in eighteen seventy nine.
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Yeah, so yeah, so stock market, let's.
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See eighteen hundred, eighteen seventies, let's say, wasn't a hot I.
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Mean, it is bizarre to think that the Gilded Age,
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you know, in the cities are happening at the same
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exact time of this poverty and isolation out on the part.
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So, I mean, it's what a different world, Okay.
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How everybody's really poor in eighteen seventy four, and the
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show starts and that's why the angles are moving on. Yes,
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because the panic of eighteen seventy three. There was This
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is why the show you know, we premiered them seventy
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four during the Big Recession was hit because that's exactly
502
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what was happening in eighteen seventy four is exactly was
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a huge recession. The stock market was definitely going on
504
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for one hundred years, but it was notably defined by
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the Panic of eighteen seventy three, triggering a severe and
506
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prolonged economic downturn known as the Long Depression or the
507
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Panic of seventy four, huge recession. So the hens while
508
00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:14.039
these financial problems for the angles and moving that was
509
00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:17.000
part of that, it was a global crisis. There was
510
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a stock market crash in Vienna in eighteen seventy three.
511
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American banking form J Cooking Company failed.
512
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A huge, huge, huge over expansion after the Civil War, YadA, YadA, YadA.
513
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But yeah, so people probably would have been a little
514
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hesitant to invest in the stock market in the eighteen
515
00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:35.119
but I also worried.
516
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I also wonder about you know, even today in terms
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of the number, the percentage of people that are actively
518
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invested in the market, I mean actively is something like
519
00:25:49.599 --> 00:25:55.079
only about ten percent of America is actually personally invested
520
00:25:55.119 --> 00:25:59.240
now through pension funds, through you know that we all.
521
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Have a stake in that.
522
00:26:00.680 --> 00:26:02.960
But in terms of people who are really putting their
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money in the market and working, it is a relatively
524
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small percentage of Americans who are actually invested in the
525
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market directly.
526
00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:15.519
The stock ticker was invented at the machine eighteen sixty seven,
527
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so totally a thing and communicated. The phones started getting
528
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installed at the New York Stock Exchange in eighteen seventy eight,
529
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increasing market efficiency, continuous trading. So this was all actually
530
00:26:28.160 --> 00:26:31.000
getting invented right about that time. So it was hitting.
531
00:26:31.160 --> 00:26:33.680
First woman owned brokerage firm on Wall Street was in
532
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the eighteen seventies, and so it really wow, blowing up
533
00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:42.359
in the eighteen seventies, but it was also really okay,
534
00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:45.680
there's relevance for this, but there was a huge unemployment
535
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and depression in the eighteen seventies, so people would have
536
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been sketchy, but the rich people were absolutely doing it.
537
00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:55.160
And New York Stock Exchange telephones, ticker machines, all a thing,
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00:26:55.319 --> 00:26:56.599
all a thing, lady.
539
00:26:56.359 --> 00:26:58.680
Teens, Wow, all happening.
540
00:26:58.839 --> 00:27:01.200
Yeah, Well John was in on it.
541
00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:05.039
He made from he made.
542
00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:07.119
Some jetdar on these stocks and he used it to
543
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get a phone in there, like.
544
00:27:11.559 --> 00:27:12.559
Honey, we got WiFi?
545
00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:14.000
How what?
546
00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:18.319
It's just so crazy.
547
00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:22.799
I'm like, where's the electricity coming from? I don't understand.
548
00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:28.039
But anyway, he surprises Alice with a beautiful phone in
549
00:27:28.119 --> 00:27:30.960
their home. Alice is very thrilled she gets to talk
550
00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:32.079
to her mother.
551
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She had.
552
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To get there before.
553
00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:40.119
She had probably not spoken to her mother in years.
554
00:27:43.960 --> 00:27:49.400
Oh and and also Sideline, the banker makes his first
555
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:51.160
call at the bank and he.
556
00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:56.440
Yes, which is a lot of money?
557
00:27:56.680 --> 00:27:59.559
Yes, okay, and missus Wilson is listening in on all
558
00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:02.000
of this, right, just remember.
559
00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:03.240
That for later, okay.
560
00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:08.920
So, and Alice makes her first call and as well, yes,
561
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got it? Uh dangerous, dangerous that the old But anyway, uh,
562
00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:17.960
you know, the ingles come over and there's look seeing
563
00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:19.079
this phone for the first time.
564
00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:21.640
Oh, speaking of phone, someone's phone is ringing.
565
00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:23.720
I just I just can I call you later?
566
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:27.160
A perfect timing.
567
00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:31.160
Okay, So Alice makes her first call to the mother.
568
00:28:31.759 --> 00:28:35.359
They catch up for a minute, and then Alice's mother
569
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shares a surprise. Harold stopped by Alice's face, is shop dropped.
570
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:46.519
Yes clever?
571
00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:51.640
Uh huh clever cover Alice's sharp baby because she covers
572
00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:52.960
up so well.
573
00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:55.640
I mean, the how would dad did she know to
574
00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:59.079
do that? Before? They were like to make a.
575
00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:03.960
Nonsensical sentence, so everyone thinks that they're talking about something
576
00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:06.319
that they're not talking about, and the mother is like,
577
00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:10.000
you can't talk about this right now, No I can't.
578
00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:19.240
Yes, the first person that happened is correct. Correct, That's
579
00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:19.799
what I'm saying.
580
00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:23.160
How she's literally the first person in history.
581
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:24.960
To do that.
582
00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:28.119
Yes, I'm so smart.
583
00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:30.519
I mean, really, for someone that's never talked on the
584
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:32.640
phone before to be that quick on how to cover
585
00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:34.599
it up, brilliant, She's brilliant.
586
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:37.200
Okay, but now we're all left going, who the hell
587
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:40.000
is Harold dunt dun dum?
588
00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:40.440
Yes.
589
00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:45.400
Also, if you've noticed Garvey's hands, he puts his hands
590
00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:49.200
on Allison's face and they're like twice the size of
591
00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:54.119
her head. You don't realize how big Marilyn is until
592
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:57.119
his hands are swallowing her face.
593
00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:02.359
He's enormous, like twice the size of Michael Landon.
594
00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:06.240
Yeah, big man, very big, big guy.
595
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:09.680
And he and he had leaned down considerably since his
596
00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:14.920
playing days in the Wow. Yeah, I mean Merlin was
597
00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:20.599
a very bright, well educated, highly motivated individual.
598
00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:26.319
I mean, Merlin did what Merlin. He made great choices and.
599
00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:27.519
He was you know, he wouldn't need to do to
600
00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:28.039
take good.
601
00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:29.960
Care of himself. But he was a big man, no
602
00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:30.759
question about it.
603
00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:32.880
Yeah he was also he did he was.
604
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:35.319
He was really lovely in this episode, really really good.
605
00:30:35.799 --> 00:30:36.160
Okay.
606
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:41.079
Later on, Alice calls her mother back and we hear
607
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:47.680
about Harold. Harold Alison's first I know, Alison, you and
608
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I are about to go.
609
00:30:50.799 --> 00:30:59.960
Already, so I'm just hanging back here.
610
00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:04.160
He has spent eighteen years in prison. It has taken
611
00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:08.200
its toll. He's a very sad, pathetic man. Jonathan does
612
00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:11.079
not know that she was married, even though she was
613
00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:15.160
only married for three weeks. But she never told Jonathan
614
00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:19.039
about this, so this is crazy, crazy to hear.
615
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:22.279
Okay, there was good reason why, and.
616
00:31:24.119 --> 00:31:26.240
They keep saying that she doesn't say it was when
617
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:28.440
I was young. She said I was a little girl,
618
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:30.440
and then her mother even back set up and said
619
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:31.839
she was a little girl.
620
00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:34.200
We're like, how bad is this story?
621
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:35.880
How bad is this story gonna get?
622
00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:37.519
How creepy is this dude?
623
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:41.119
And the answer is he's a boy like rape it's terrible.
624
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:44.119
It's a terrible story.
625
00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:47.039
He was like he was a father figure to her.
626
00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:49.599
She lost her father when she was poor, and then
627
00:31:49.720 --> 00:31:51.240
he became a father figure.
628
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:53.880
So this poor little girl, poor Alms Garvey, grew up
629
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:55.160
in a boarding house and her.
630
00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:57.160
Mother had all these strange men in.
631
00:31:57.119 --> 00:31:57.720
The boarding house.
632
00:31:57.880 --> 00:31:59.400
She said, oh no, they were all gentleanly, they were all.
633
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:02.839
His dude was literally guy the boarding house who knew
634
00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:06.799
her when she was a little kid, and then like
635
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:08.440
groomed her and.
636
00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:09.000
Married that.
637
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:17.519
Grooming before a word, it was part of the lexico.
638
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:18.519
It wasn't.
639
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:21.200
It was bad.
640
00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:27.519
And so and so yet another example of little house
641
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:29.920
like really stepping into.
642
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:33.240
Uh uh, that's that's some pretty heavy duty stuff. And
643
00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:35.640
not yes, not unrealistic at all.
644
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:40.039
I mean they showed I know, she didn't know any better.
645
00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:42.799
The mother doesn't say any age. She says, well, when
646
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:45.680
she grew into womanhood, not eighteen. They don't say eighteen.
647
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:49.160
Basically old enough that they went close enough. And this
648
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:51.400
guy married really girl.
649
00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:55.359
It was bad and he.
650
00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:58.119
Winds up that he's a gambler and a thief and
651
00:32:58.160 --> 00:32:58.839
he went to prison.
652
00:32:58.880 --> 00:32:59.960
He was no good.
653
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:00.519
She didn't know.
654
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:05.279
So this bad man who knew this poor woman versus
655
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:07.400
a child, And it's like, yeah, and it is, and
656
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:09.400
that's why she wouldn't talk about But that's why she
657
00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:11.519
wouldn't tell him because it was I.
658
00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:15.119
Mean, it's not surprising that she would mean three weeks,
659
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:19.319
this is not something that's going to be a part
660
00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:21.240
of your life now that all works out in the end,
661
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:24.480
but you know, that's not surprising that she would make
662
00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:25.599
that choice.
663
00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:29.440
So good and you try to You're like, I'm gonna
664
00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:30.480
forget this ever happened.
665
00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:35.440
Yeah, yeah, but don't you think also that she didn't
666
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:38.359
tell him. And also by the way he finds out,
667
00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:40.440
we'll get to that next. But even when he finds
668
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:42.000
out and he says like, who else have.
669
00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:42.359
You been with?
670
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:43.960
Like for me, I was like, oh, this is all
671
00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:47.839
about her virginity, Like clearly for him, the issue is
672
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:51.640
she wasn't a virgin when she was with him. And
673
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:54.680
also for her that was probably like, I can't tell
674
00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:57.599
Jonathan that I had been with another man before marrying him,
675
00:33:57.640 --> 00:33:59.839
Are you kidding me? So I'm sure that all went
676
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:02.200
hand in hand with that as well.
677
00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:06.799
Very provocative, I shall say.
678
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:12.480
And and and who creates this horrible moment of doubt
679
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:15.360
within the Garvey family. How does that happen?
680
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:17.840
Yeah, how does that happen? Alice?
681
00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:22.039
Because yes, of course missus sulsen yappity yeppity yeap. But
682
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:25.519
because there hasn't been enough damage done to the children
683
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:29.320
in the story, because we must hurt them too. I
684
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:32.159
for no particular reason, I'm on the porch.
685
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:34.840
Of the hotel, just hanging out, not doing any work.
686
00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:41.199
And when Laura and young ahagonizing for new reason, I go, hey,
687
00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:43.880
said your mother tell all your daskles a bar before
688
00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:45.000
and just start.
689
00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:46.639
Going off, running off of the mouth.
690
00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:49.480
And oh my god, it's so no, it's true.
691
00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:51.480
It's she's married to another man. Did she tell him
692
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:54.320
to tell them? Oh, she hasn't told about And I.
693
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:56.760
Could just say, hey, I know a secret, or hey,
694
00:34:56.800 --> 00:34:59.400
hey hey, you know you're almost No, I'm like yelling
695
00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:03.280
to the whole boulevard here about his mother.
696
00:35:03.400 --> 00:35:04.159
And it's the.
697
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:08.480
Dirt, the dirt, the dirt street, in front.
698
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:12.920
Of all three people there there, and I just for why,
699
00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:16.719
for what reason? My mother is already broadcasted to people.
700
00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:20.519
So you're me to be to be horrible.
701
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:22.679
You're serving the story.
702
00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:24.960
I mean, you're just doing you know, Nell. It's just
703
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:26.920
doing what she needs to do to advance the story.
704
00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:33.159
Rible haters gonna hate.
705
00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:37.760
We've established the psychopath on this podcast before this is
706
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:41.639
this is total psychopathy. I wanted to And then, of
707
00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:46.000
course though Andy and Andy and Laura and and.
708
00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:48.519
Albert are like, that's not true, that's crazy.
709
00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:53.280
Talk go home and ask him right home and tell
710
00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:55.159
you tell what tell your father.
711
00:35:56.440 --> 00:35:57.960
Right, what's wrong with me?
712
00:35:58.039 --> 00:36:01.159
And then I myself on the it was so bad.
713
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:05.360
Oh my god, I know it's when you. It was
714
00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:08.639
so bad. You know what it reminded me of.
715
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:10.679
This is a personal story here. Ready for a little
716
00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:15.039
going off the rail life. Okay, when I was when
717
00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:18.679
I was eight or nine, my grandmother was visiting us.
718
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:21.199
She she was lived in Minneapolis.
719
00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:21.440
But she was very sick.
720
00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:23.039
She was old and she was sick and she was
721
00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:28.320
losing her faculties. And there's a an art piece in
722
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:32.159
our house of my mother, an art piece of my
723
00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:33.119
mother in my house.
724
00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:35.559
And I looked up and I went, I wonder who,
725
00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:38.239
you know who who made that for mom?
726
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:40.599
And my grandmother went, oh, you know it was that
727
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:42.159
guy that the person that made it. When she was
728
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:44.920
married to her first husband, dog Doc john Ya, and
729
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:50.000
I had no idea my mother was married before at all.
730
00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:55.519
And and I was like, uh okay, Grandma, And I
731
00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:57.920
literally like walk out of the room, like do do do?
732
00:36:57.920 --> 00:36:58.159
Do do?
733
00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:01.280
And I go to my mother was like putting on
734
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:04.440
makeup in the bathroom, and I was like, Mom, get
735
00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:09.679
what Grandma just said. Oh, and the devastation, like my
736
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:12.119
mother was like in the middle of mascara and I
737
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:13.719
was and she literally froze.
738
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:17.639
You just froze, and she was like, wow, it's true.
739
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:24.239
And I was so devastating. I mean it was devastating.
740
00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:25.840
I'm sure you were eight years old.
741
00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:26.320
I was eight.
742
00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:28.360
I was in second or third grade.
743
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:31.719
I was little, little, little, And again, like my mom,
744
00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:34.159
it wasn't like supposed to be this big secret. She
745
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:37.360
just hadn't told her little two daughters yet, Like it wasn't.
746
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:39.239
I think she thought like it's gonna come out at
747
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:41.840
some point. It just you know, she didn't think about it.
748
00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:44.840
And but for me to find out that way was
749
00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:48.480
like and what it does is even as a little kid,
750
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:50.760
you think you know your parents like inside and out,
751
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:55.440
you think you know everything about that, it shatters.
752
00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:57.239
Your world completely.
753
00:37:57.559 --> 00:37:59.920
Now obviously we got over it, and such as, like
754
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:02.159
and there's no issues whatsoever.
755
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:04.400
But I will say this.
756
00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:08.280
Moment reminded me of that moment, and it is devastating
757
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:08.920
for sure.
758
00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:12.920
Why show, Garvey gunns, why Little.
759
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:15.000
House in the Parray's popular fifty one freaking years later,
760
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:17.480
because people do have stories like that. People watch this
761
00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:18.840
episode and go, oh my god.
762
00:38:18.920 --> 00:38:20.119
Oh yeah, horrible time.
763
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:25.280
Yeah, that person really lived this freaking my old morphine addiction.
764
00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:31.159
You know, I think what so that, Yes, the show
765
00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:35.199
dealt with all these incredible issues, and but did it
766
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:39.039
in this I think the show was never considered edgy
767
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:43.400
because it wasn't presented in an edition presented in an
768
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:46.719
edgy way. They were presented very directly.
769
00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:49.199
Yeah and yeah, yeah, yeah right.
770
00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:52.239
You know, but the stuff was all there. Other shows
771
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:55.840
would have done these things very differently. Lit Laws was
772
00:38:55.960 --> 00:38:59.760
just like everything was open. It's right in your face,
773
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:03.159
on the out there and people have to deal and
774
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:05.079
it does.
775
00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:08.559
So well done so well anyway, it's.
776
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:10.159
Clear, it's clear what's going on.
777
00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:16.800
Yeah right, uh so, anyway, Jonathan Garvey goes to missus
778
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:19.039
Olsen is like, how dare you spread lies?
779
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:26.360
And oh god, she's so horrible. Her response is so.
780
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:29.119
Crazy I mean she just like, no, it's not she
781
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:31.199
was married to this guy. He did this, he came
782
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:33.280
out of prison and blah blah blah blah blah.
783
00:39:33.400 --> 00:39:35.119
And here's my question about that.
784
00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:40.639
Why would both Nelly and missus Olsen so brazenly tell
785
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:44.000
them when it directly puts them in the guilty seat
786
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:47.000
of like, yeah, I was listening in a conversation because.
787
00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:47.719
They were telling the truth.
788
00:39:48.760 --> 00:39:51.880
They were telling, but it makes them guilty of listening
789
00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:53.239
into other course.
790
00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:58.719
But it's totally because you're not.
791
00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:00.960
It's not like the money thing. You're not getting anything
792
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:02.760
out of it, just pissing off the garb. He's like,
793
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:04.079
what are you getting out of this? Is you just
794
00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:06.800
trashing these gas? Nothing except I know something you don't know,
795
00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:08.519
n or nin or nin you're like a four year old.
796
00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:15.679
They were just horrible. And Catherine also, that's.
797
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:16.320
Sort of indignant.
798
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:17.199
How dare you question me?
799
00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:21.960
Right, it's right, the indignity of you confronting me.
800
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:24.840
I know it's so twisted.
801
00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:28.000
Rights, it's the truth, and it's mine and I get
802
00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:30.679
to do this. I paid for it, I get to
803
00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:33.639
have this right, I get to do this. I think
804
00:40:33.679 --> 00:40:36.039
the Olsons are the device of course, the ulcins are
805
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:39.000
so useful in the program as the people who you know,
806
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:41.920
have the stick of dynamite or the gasoline or whatever
807
00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:45.519
and you're just tossing it into the room to see
808
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:47.880
what's gonna happen next. I mean, you've got to have
809
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:51.920
that character. This is what I think. The clarity of
810
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:53.960
the evil is so clear.
811
00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:55.599
Thank you.
812
00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:58.960
You know, there's no mystery is to where the problem.
813
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:01.679
Is and it gets right to it like it it gets.
814
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:03.639
Yeah, which is great.
815
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:08.320
Here's the other master class.
816
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:12.320
Yes, sorry, go on, no, no, you go ahead.
817
00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:14.079
I was gonna say this is again.
818
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:17.599
This scene was an absolute master class by Catherine McGregor.
819
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:20.559
Her emotional ups and downs in this scene, because you know,
820
00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:24.360
Jonathan goes after her, acting indignant about it.
821
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:29.280
Then Nell's coming and being like how dare you? And
822
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:32.079
she's like she's like, well, well you know.
823
00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:37.840
He has awesome come back, which is what other idiot
824
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:39.400
would have married you.
825
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:45.039
He leaves the room and then and then she's hurt,
826
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:47.760
hurt and says he's so.
827
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:54.079
Yes, you have been a horror story.
828
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:55.800
And then wait.
829
00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:58.800
And then this is like the cherry on the Sunday.
830
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:01.920
The phone rang and it snaps her out of it
831
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:03.559
because she's so excited to listen.
832
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:07.199
To someone else's conversation. I mean, it's just so brilliant.
833
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:09.840
It's brilliantly written, and the way that she does it
834
00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:11.360
is like comic actor.
835
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:15.360
She is a gem. I cannot believe she didn't win.
836
00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:19.960
Every award or no and nowadays and then it's Albert
837
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:23.440
she would have won. Albert is the one who saves
838
00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:26.320
the day because Albert is a schemer. Albert was on
839
00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:29.400
the streets, Albert's been a criminal. Albert knows how to
840
00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:32.039
go behind the scenes and do terrible, terrible things. He's
841
00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:34.880
converted to being nice because he's with the Ingles, but
842
00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.360
he knows what He's like, I have a plant, I
843
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:40.880
have a plan, and it's a horrendous plan to literally
844
00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:42.159
ruin her financially.
845
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:44.239
And Albert's like, yeah, we're gonna do this. This is
846
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:45.039
what we're gonna do.
847
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:46.760
And he SMUs it.
848
00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:49.800
He puts the plan in motion. He knows what to do.
849
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:53.880
Yeah, it's interesting.
850
00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:58.440
I think Michael loved, you know, utilizing matt in this
851
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:02.360
way is the this street smart kid, and I think
852
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:05.840
he saw I think Michael saw so much of himself
853
00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:13.039
in Matthew and utilized him really really well to do
854
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:16.159
things exactly this kind of thing, and the character was,
855
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:18.960
as you said, was so nicely drawn. Wise, you know,
856
00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:22.760
a survivor on the street, always sort of on the come,
857
00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:23.960
trying to figure.
858
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:24.519
Out how to get by.
859
00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:28.280
Yeah, kind of a con man, yeah, but for the
860
00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:29.039
greater good.
861
00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:31.840
But you know, I always had a bit of a
862
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:34.480
I loved Albert, and I loved Albert and Laura's relationship.
863
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:38.559
I loved Albert. Yay Team Albert, but a little.
864
00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:41.840
Part of me always was a little upset by the
865
00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:46.480
way Laura's character was slightly changed when Albert came on
866
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:49.800
the scene, because before Albert came on the scene, Laura
867
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:50.639
was the schemer.
868
00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:55.480
Laura was the smart sort of like that, the.
869
00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:58.159
Savvy one that sort of came up with the idea.
870
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:02.360
When Albert came on the scene, it all went completely
871
00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:05.239
to him, and Laura was more like his sidekick, like
872
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:06.639
the what do you mean we can.
873
00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:10.480
Do this right? Like she she wasn't the plotter anymore.
874
00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:15.480
He was, which I thought was a little not what
875
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:18.679
Laura's character had been before that sort of Albert took
876
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:22.800
over that. At the same time, maybe it was intentional,
877
00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:27.519
because this is the time where Melissa Gilbert is starting
878
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:28.079
to grow up.
879
00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:30.239
This is that wonky in between.
880
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:32.679
Time where she's starting to wear a little eyeliner on
881
00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:35.519
the show, yet still is rocking the braids right like
882
00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:39.679
she's the walking embodiment of Britney Spears. I'm not a girl,
883
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:49.760
not yet a woman. It's such an in between Britney.
884
00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:52.400
Spears was taken a lot farther in that direction than
885
00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:54.519
ever ever.
886
00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:58.840
Yes, yeah, that's an interesting take.
887
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:03.000
Yeah, it's like Albert sort of took that role that
888
00:45:03.079 --> 00:45:04.400
Laura used to have.
889
00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:05.480
When she together.
890
00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:09.360
Anyway, maybe it doesn't bother anything, but yeah, it's true
891
00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:12.079
he became but he was really good at it.
892
00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:14.480
She may have said, Wow, this kid's better at this
893
00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:16.159
than I am, because he was an actress.
894
00:45:16.519 --> 00:45:19.239
Yeah, I can learn a thing or two from this kid, right.
895
00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:22.920
Because he and so they can caught this whole plan
896
00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:25.480
and then basically they just stepped. Albert just sort of
897
00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:29.480
steps back and allows the whole thing to me. Nothing
898
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:31.639
else needs to be done. He sets this thing in
899
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:32.920
motion with the stock.
900
00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:37.079
Dealing, and boom they know. She's, like he said, even
901
00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:40.920
where it hurts in the pocket book.
902
00:45:41.840 --> 00:45:45.840
In her pocket and knows and yeah, very smart.
903
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:47.920
And the bank guy even digs the idea because he
904
00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:48.679
can't stand her.
905
00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:50.840
The bankers like, yea, well.
906
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:52.920
Because he knows she listened in on his phone call
907
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:55.360
to anticipate in this fraud.
908
00:45:55.480 --> 00:45:58.079
Yes he could as a banker, he probably could completally
909
00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:00.639
get in trouble. But I'm doing.
910
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:04.559
This, yeah, legal Schmiegel. Okay.
911
00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:07.599
So Jonathan comes back home and he's like what and
912
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:09.599
Alice is like, yeah, it's true.
913
00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:12.840
I couldn't tell you. He's like, who else have you been?
914
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:16.960
She's we jump past that, but yes, that's that was
915
00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:19.679
the end of Act one basically was who else.
916
00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:19.880
Have you been?
917
00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:21.480
Yes?
918
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:21.840
Right?
919
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:24.880
Yeah, So he's sort of right, and then they come
920
00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:28.440
up with this let's hurt missus Olsen in the pocket Book.
921
00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:34.360
Let me say something though, Pauw is surprisingly chill about
922
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:39.760
Alice having had this secret right like he's he's talking
923
00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:42.679
to Jonathan Garvey like, well, everyone has secrets. I'm like, well,
924
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:44.719
this one's this one's a doozy.
925
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:49.119
You know he's taking you know, he's he's taking that
926
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:54.199
high humanistic yes, the high road of we all make
927
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:58.159
mistakes and it doesn't mean that we're we can't.
928
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:00.920
Be redeemed and we're not right in not redeemable.
929
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:04.360
And I think that is very consistent with the voice
930
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:08.679
that Charles was always offering in the program. He rarely
931
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:11.519
maybe he goes again to serve a plot, but here
932
00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:14.719
this was very because this is this is his friend's problem,
933
00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:16.559
and he's trying to help his friend through all.
934
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:19.559
Yeah, he's clearly, and of course Alice loves him, and
935
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:21.960
he also knows they got a good thing. He's like,
936
00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:24.719
oh my, this guy's an idiot if he gives up
937
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:25.159
this woman.
938
00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:27.599
He has totally a good thing with her. She totally
939
00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:27.960
loves him.
940
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:31.039
He really loves her. This is dumb. It was three weeks.
941
00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:33.719
Clearly she was a kid. There's probably some horrible story
942
00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:35.639
about the fact that she was a child in this appened.
943
00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:36.800
So yuck, Why are you.
944
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:41.039
Meeting her up over this? It's wrong? He knows it's wrong. Like, no,
945
00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:43.840
this is not a thing to die on this hill for.
946
00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:46.280
This is you have a much better thing going on
947
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:49.320
than this nonsense. And as he says, oh, well, I
948
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:52.360
didn't realize you were perfect because starting losing my thing.
949
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:53.639
So I'm still here.
950
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:58.280
I love Oh god, that was scary. It looks like
951
00:47:58.280 --> 00:47:59.280
it fell down away.
952
00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:01.519
Well the whole perfect.
953
00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:08.960
About what you about reading the Bible quotes? He said, well,
954
00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:11.920
if if we were perfect, we'd be wearing halos instead
955
00:48:11.920 --> 00:48:15.440
of homespun. Was a big Charles line. Well, we'd all
956
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:18.199
be wearing halo's instead of homespun, he said at one point,
957
00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:22.400
so his thing of you know who casting the first stone?
958
00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:28.159
You're not perfect, buddy, nobody's perfect. Seriously and really really.
959
00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:30.119
The split up, who's going to have you?
960
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:32.800
Dude, get a grip, No, just you need to move
961
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:33.559
past this one.
962
00:48:33.679 --> 00:48:33.880
Yeah.
963
00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:35.840
Yeah, and he's right, he's very smart.
964
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:39.159
Also other also, other thing that I noticed.
965
00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:41.800
Albert has a savings account. Do the Ingles have a
966
00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:44.679
bank account? When did this happen? I thought they don't
967
00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:45.519
do banks?
968
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:48.639
I wonder, Well, I guess he does.
969
00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:51.719
He goes into the bank and he wants to put Yes.
970
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:58.840
Yeah, so right.
971
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:00.800
Got he's smart.
972
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:03.280
He knows they have interestparent accounts. He knows the bank
973
00:49:03.400 --> 00:49:05.119
is good, he knows the guy. He knows it's not
974
00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:07.519
bad to put money in the bank. Missus Olsen, the
975
00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:19.280
idiot mattress because she's dumb, right, has a bank account, but.
976
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:25.400
Not missus Olsen, right, right, exactly, Okay, what's what the
977
00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:26.760
heck happens next?
978
00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:30.880
So well, so, so Bill sets, So Bill sets the
979
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:36.039
trap and makes the talks about buying five thousand dollars
980
00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:38.159
worth of stock and Smith Pharma.
981
00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:41.320
And because it's going up and uh.
982
00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:45.480
And of course Harriet is gleeful running across the street
983
00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:49.679
to her to her mattress to count out the five
984
00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:53.360
grand and go make the predictableable.
985
00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:56.159
And this allows me to be on the switchboard for
986
00:49:56.199 --> 00:49:57.559
a lovely moment with Albert.
987
00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:01.960
One of my favorite scenes again the mouse house scene for.
988
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:04.000
The for the is that what it was? It was
989
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:05.400
a mouse? I was thinking it was a frog. I
990
00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:07.079
couldn't tell what it was.
991
00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:09.320
So he has to get me away from the switchboard
992
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:10.480
for a minute to get on the thing.
993
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:12.719
Go, yes, it's working, and.
994
00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:15.159
You're sitting there eating that the candy out of it.
995
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:18.639
I'm doing that, you are?
996
00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:20.079
I would always set creepy.
997
00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:20.840
He made it creepy.
998
00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:25.320
And he comes you did it on purpose? Like how
999
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:26.199
bad can I make this?
1000
00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:27.320
How bad can I make this?
1001
00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:27.599
Yeah?
1002
00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:30.519
Okay? And so he's like, oh I brought this thing
1003
00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:32.159
and I'm like, what what, stupid child?
1004
00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:34.320
Leave Mela here and he puts a.
1005
00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:37.519
Live mouse in my hand and I get it and
1006
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:40.840
flip out so hard that I jump up and run
1007
00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:43.599
into the wall and do a run into the wall bit,
1008
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:46.960
and for the record, I have to say I'm.
1009
00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:50.039
I'm, I'm not actually, which clears the way for Bill
1010
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:50.920
to cancel.
1011
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:53.639
His You realize it's one of those lovely I love
1012
00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:56.800
that scene because in real life, I'm not scared of mice.
1013
00:50:56.840 --> 00:50:59.559
I'm the least scared of my. None of that snakes,
1014
00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:01.960
mice read, none of it bothers me. And it was
1015
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:04.119
the cutest little mouse they head of the day. No,
1016
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:05.880
it was a cute little mouse. I am totally not
1017
00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:07.800
afraid of my I'm like, yes, they did, they would
1018
00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:10.280
do in real life, it would do nothing. I was like, oh, awesome,
1019
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:12.679
would you would? So like I had to, I had
1020
00:51:12.679 --> 00:51:14.679
to really act and I was like, oh, no, a mouse.
1021
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:18.760
Do you know that I ran a switchboard in high
1022
00:51:18.800 --> 00:51:22.119
school with the cables like that, I actually did at
1023
00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:22.559
the time.
1024
00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:27.000
I didn't a dorm in my college dormitory, I did
1025
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:28.400
a switchboard.
1026
00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:30.800
With you pulled the cable out and connected people to me.
1027
00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:33.840
Up until the nineteen eighties, there were still a lot
1028
00:51:33.880 --> 00:51:36.400
of cable They looked better than the eighteen hundreds one,
1029
00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:38.079
but they were still you had to go hang on
1030
00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:42.039
a moment and put the cable in to connect the calls,
1031
00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:45.760
especially in offices. And I was in the Hollywood High
1032
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:47.800
School office taking office service and.
1033
00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:49.800
I ran the switchboard.
1034
00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:53.239
And remember high school, so I'm like seventeen years I
1035
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:55.679
was literally doing that while we're filming it. I knew
1036
00:51:55.679 --> 00:51:57.000
how to run the switchboard. I was doing it at
1037
00:51:57.000 --> 00:51:59.360
school that day, and it was I was really good
1038
00:51:59.360 --> 00:51:59.679
at it.
1039
00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:03.159
Because Hollywood High School, May I help you? I remember
1040
00:52:03.199 --> 00:52:03.920
my mother called.
1041
00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:06.159
She didn't know it was me. It was just freaking hysterical.
1042
00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:09.039
But yes, so I actually know how to run a switchboard.
1043
00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:14.159
So that was like method acting, totally method.
1044
00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:19.199
I love. But Harriet won't order the stock on the
1045
00:52:19.239 --> 00:52:21.639
phone because someone might be listening.
1046
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:26.039
Brilliant because she's no dummy.
1047
00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:30.320
Yeah right, And she races off to in the in
1048
00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:32.760
her buggy to wherever. I don't know where is she
1049
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:34.679
going to buy the stock? I mean, is she going
1050
00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:38.760
to Mancato to Minneapolis? And she's on a journey to
1051
00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:39.480
buy the stock.
1052
00:52:40.519 --> 00:52:41.800
And that's the end of Act two.
1053
00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:44.400
I think we should take a break, Let's take a
1054
00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:47.519
little bit come back and see what happens in Crusted
1055
00:52:48.519 --> 00:52:51.599
Do Do Do Garvey on Fire.
1056
00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:52.920
Okay, We'll be right back.
1057
00:52:53.559 --> 00:52:57.199
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Okay, we're back and Jonathan is leaving. He is hopping
1074
00:53:57.360 --> 00:54:00.840
on a train to does her mother live?
1075
00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:04.400
He and Charles are going on a little trip. He
1076
00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:06.400
just needs some he needs to take a breath.
1077
00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:09.559
And yes, so he and Charles are taking a trip
1078
00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:12.639
to go do some work in Minneapolis, which.
1079
00:54:14.360 --> 00:54:17.000
Just happens to be right near where his mother in
1080
00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:19.679
law lives. Just happens to be so that he can
1081
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:25.039
say okay.
1082
00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:28.599
So then we're sitting at the table with Alison's mother
1083
00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:35.840
and we get the backstory girl, and it is intense.
1084
00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:37.920
Just like Alison said.
1085
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:41.280
She was a little girl a week into he was
1086
00:54:41.320 --> 00:54:43.760
her father figure, her father had died.
1087
00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:54.519
Situation and screw get into That's what she said.
1088
00:54:54.519 --> 00:54:56.199
She didn't say when she grew up, when she was
1089
00:54:56.239 --> 00:54:58.960
an adult, when she was eighteen, when she grew into womanhood.
1090
00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:01.280
So this creep show when she was like what five
1091
00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:03.239
and hung out until she hit puberty and then married
1092
00:55:03.239 --> 00:55:05.920
her What the what you mean? What is this?
1093
00:55:06.079 --> 00:55:06.880
What is this story?
1094
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:09.039
Who is mom? Let that happen?
1095
00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:12.960
I mean, yeah, that's different, it's a different time.
1096
00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:13.960
He was a gentleman.
1097
00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:15.559
We thought he had but she thought he was going
1098
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:16.559
to be rich. He's a gentleman.
1099
00:55:16.599 --> 00:55:17.320
He's going somewhere.
1100
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:18.559
She had no idea, gambled.
1101
00:55:19.400 --> 00:55:22.039
He was always dressed so well, and he was.
1102
00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:26.239
Just like, marry the kid off you and yeah, she'll
1103
00:55:26.280 --> 00:55:28.079
be fine, Yeah, exactly.
1104
00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:33.599
Okay, So Jonathan's heart seems to be softening a bit
1105
00:55:33.639 --> 00:55:36.920
towards Alice, yet he still feels he needs to do
1106
00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:41.639
one more thing, which is go to Harold the loon,
1107
00:55:42.400 --> 00:55:44.000
to see Harold.
1108
00:55:44.360 --> 00:55:47.079
Also the bar, remember the.
1109
00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:47.519
Name of the bar.
1110
00:55:49.320 --> 00:55:51.719
And it's a good time salute. And clearly no one
1111
00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:54.639
has ever had a good time there. They're all miserable.
1112
00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:59.599
Everyone is there alone in misery, total alcoholic depression, drinking.
1113
00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:00.760
It's not the good.
1114
00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:05.599
It's not the good time saloon. Yes, it's a very sad,
1115
00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:06.320
sad salut.
1116
00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:10.719
And what a great piece of casting to I mean,
1117
00:56:11.079 --> 00:56:16.119
to hire Royal Dano, brilliant to be Harold. I mean,
1118
00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:19.159
talk about a guy I don't think i'd ever seen
1119
00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:22.559
in anything i'd seen, and I don't know huge amounts
1120
00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:26.599
of Royal Dano's work, but you never I never really
1121
00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:31.760
had seen Royal Dano smile before in anything that I'd
1122
00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:37.599
seen him in. And to watch him express his sadness,
1123
00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:42.920
and then to share what a beautiful young woman Alice
1124
00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:46.719
had been and he'd made these mistakes, and you know, boy,
1125
00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:51.079
don't ever let that happen to you, young man.
1126
00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:54.239
Obviously this is this is right on the nose.
1127
00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:57.599
It's but again serving the story, and you have a
1128
00:56:57.719 --> 00:56:59.760
wonderful delivery of this from Royal Dano.
1129
00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:06.480
Except never before did I realize that Harold is also
1130
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:08.440
Sylvia's father.
1131
00:57:13.480 --> 00:57:17.079
Of course, Oh my god.
1132
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:24.679
You know, I had not remembered that. And when I
1133
00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:26.880
was rewatching this, I literally gasped.
1134
00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:29.639
I was like, oh my god, it's And then I
1135
00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:32.280
was like, maybe this is my brain playing trick on me,
1136
00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:35.400
because I think every blacksmith is the blacksmith, and when
1137
00:57:35.400 --> 00:57:38.280
it's not the actual blacksmith, the Sylvia Blacksmith.
1138
00:57:38.440 --> 00:57:39.679
So I was like, let me let.
1139
00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:42.440
Me I am b D this, I am dB that, No,
1140
00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:49.119
I am whatever. Yes, there's a broadaby London. And I
1141
00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:52.000
was like, I am correct. This is Sylvia's father.
1142
00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:53.159
No, you'.
1143
00:57:55.880 --> 00:57:58.800
Yes. And he's so good.
1144
00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:01.480
Yeah, he's so good.
1145
00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:04.480
He was so creepy, was Sylvia. He was your dad
1146
00:58:04.599 --> 00:58:07.719
that it was so bad that people suspected him in
1147
00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:10.599
the episode because he was like, yo, cover yourself up game,
1148
00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:12.599
and he was always yelling at her about looking to
1149
00:58:12.800 --> 00:58:15.719
sexy and she was temptress and it's like ew ew
1150
00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:20.559
ew he was horrid. And so this man sadly has
1151
00:58:20.599 --> 00:58:24.440
a distinction of being utterly inappropriate with young girls twice
1152
00:58:24.559 --> 00:58:25.920
on the Little House on the Prairie.
1153
00:58:27.440 --> 00:58:28.280
I know that's why.
1154
00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:31.360
Such it was a baldy casting choice to bring him
1155
00:58:31.400 --> 00:58:33.559
back for Sylvia's dad, which he was brilliant.
1156
00:58:33.559 --> 00:58:35.119
I mean, it was the right casting choice.
1157
00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:37.679
But if I'm looking at this man credit leg he
1158
00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:38.840
goes all the way back.
1159
00:58:39.039 --> 00:58:40.199
His credit goes back.
1160
00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:42.159
To a Motorola Television Hour era.
1161
00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:44.719
He was in an episode of literally every single thing
1162
00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:47.519
ever on TV, ever, ever, ever. He was in the
1163
00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:49.920
movie The Red Badge of Courage, he was in Moby Dick,
1164
00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:52.199
he was in he was in everything.
1165
00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:55.599
And it's like, I think, if I'm miss being in
1166
00:58:55.639 --> 00:58:58.679
the right stuff, that's where I really became. Is he
1167
00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:01.079
was the you know, he was the preature in the
1168
00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:04.960
right stuff who was always presiding over the funerals of
1169
00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:06.760
these test pilots who died.
1170
00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:08.519
Wow, and he just had.
1171
00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:12.440
This beaten world beaten down. You know, he was just
1172
00:59:12.519 --> 00:59:15.039
he was a guy who lived his life in tragedy.
1173
00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:17.159
And he's got that face where you just sort of
1174
00:59:17.159 --> 00:59:20.440
feel like, oh my god, what what other horrible thing
1175
00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:21.360
can happen to this band.
1176
00:59:21.400 --> 00:59:24.000
That's why it's such a wonderful surprise for me, who.
1177
00:59:23.800 --> 00:59:26.039
Had not seen a huge amount of his work, to
1178
00:59:26.079 --> 00:59:30.400
see him smile wistfully remembering something and framing it.
1179
00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:32.440
I mean, he framed himself as the problem.
1180
00:59:33.519 --> 00:59:35.440
Yes, he did all the other things, all the things
1181
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:38.800
that you've said are when you think about it, creepy
1182
00:59:39.239 --> 00:59:39.559
got it.
1183
00:59:39.719 --> 00:59:41.480
Yep, And he.
1184
00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:43.880
Knows, and again I don't.
1185
00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:46.360
He knows, he knows, he's full.
1186
00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:48.599
And also, this is us.
1187
00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:51.920
Coming from a twenty twenty five Cory jaded perspective, although
1188
00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:56.719
truthful perspective that I ever intended to be when this
1189
00:59:56.880 --> 00:59:59.679
was written or when it was you know, this is
1190
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:03.360
this is us current day going wait a minute, because
1191
01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:06.000
you know, growing up, I never thought twice, I never
1192
01:00:06.079 --> 01:00:11.480
looked deeper into maybe what that relationship was other than what.
1193
01:00:11.440 --> 01:00:13.920
They say it is. But it's but he talks to it.
1194
01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:17.960
He's like, oh no, we know too much, so young.
1195
01:00:18.119 --> 01:00:20.639
And then not only was a gambler, I robbed a bank.
1196
01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:22.960
I did this. She had no way, so yeah, so
1197
01:00:23.000 --> 01:00:24.480
he does. He takes him and he goes, yeah, this
1198
01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:28.400
this was one giant disaster from the get go and boy, I.
1199
01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:28.960
Screw that up.
1200
01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:30.679
He knows, he knows, he screwed it all up.
1201
01:00:32.519 --> 01:00:35.880
And he says, I hope you know he found out
1202
01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:38.039
that al Allison is now married and has a son,
1203
01:00:38.039 --> 01:00:40.480
and he says, looks at Jonathan, who also played it
1204
01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:46.400
very smartly, different name and different, you know, saying I
1205
01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:48.920
hope whoever, I hope her husband.
1206
01:00:49.039 --> 01:00:54.440
Played it, wrote it very smartly, and and Merlin played
1207
01:00:54.440 --> 01:00:55.000
it nicely.
1208
01:00:55.480 --> 01:00:59.119
Yes, yes, yes, but he says it does this is
1209
01:00:59.119 --> 01:01:00.000
the man who marry Alice.
1210
01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:03.400
Know how lucky he is. That gives Jonathan a whole
1211
01:01:03.400 --> 01:01:04.440
different perspective.
1212
01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:07.679
Yes, and then he goes back to the hotel and
1213
01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:08.760
tells the whole thing to.
1214
01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:10.960
Charles, and he's so good he's took it now. When
1215
01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:13.519
he took this on initially be like, oh, it's Marlin Nelson.
1216
01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:16.880
He's a football player. He's a sports commentary dude. He's
1217
01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:19.639
not only an actor actor. And the story, the legend
1218
01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:21.760
is that when Michael asked him to do this, even said, well,
1219
01:01:21.800 --> 01:01:23.440
I'm not really an actor, and he said, don't want
1220
01:01:23.480 --> 01:01:25.480
you to act. So I know that was Michael's like,
1221
01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:27.000
no acting here, I want you.
1222
01:01:27.039 --> 01:01:27.599
To be natural.
1223
01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:30.039
I want you I want the way you walk and talk.
1224
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:33.480
That that's really what I want. This guy is like this.
1225
01:01:33.599 --> 01:01:36.960
He's like you, I want it deadpan, natural. I don't
1226
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:38.280
want you to do anything, and I want you to
1227
01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:40.119
act and I want him to be like you the
1228
01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:42.719
way you walk and talk. This is fine. And he said,
1229
01:01:42.719 --> 01:01:44.559
if you need help, if it doesn't work, if you're
1230
01:01:44.559 --> 01:01:46.159
doing a scene and I don't think you're doing it,
1231
01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:46.679
I'll tell you.
1232
01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:49.679
We'll make it happen. But that's fact that he would
1233
01:01:49.719 --> 01:01:50.000
be so.
1234
01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:54.119
And when he spoke in his early seat to when
1235
01:01:54.119 --> 01:01:57.320
he's just being a regular normal person a scene, he's
1236
01:01:57.360 --> 01:01:59.840
so earnest and plain and Michael's like, yeah, that's what
1237
01:02:00.199 --> 01:02:03.239
clear playing. Yes, why yes, I love Wallace. That's why
1238
01:02:03.239 --> 01:02:06.199
I want this simple man, A very simple man, a
1239
01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:08.400
little sheltered, like he's so shocked that his wife could
1240
01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:09.000
have been married before.
1241
01:02:09.039 --> 01:02:11.639
He's a little sheltered. He's like, no, do people do that?
1242
01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:14.519
And that's so we played it. So when you finally
1243
01:02:14.559 --> 01:02:18.400
see him in what is a big, serious emotional scene
1244
01:02:18.559 --> 01:02:20.360
that could be very hard to do with this guy,
1245
01:02:20.559 --> 01:02:24.159
and he freaking nails it. He absolutely blows.
1246
01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:27.360
Out of the walls. It's like bare yep.
1247
01:02:27.519 --> 01:02:29.360
Do you know what I wrote in my notes? Sorry,
1248
01:02:29.559 --> 01:02:32.880
go on, what did you write? I was gonna say,
1249
01:02:33.559 --> 01:02:36.599
Garvey earns his episode.
1250
01:02:38.599 --> 01:02:44.440
He's a bear, He's a big bear, and we love
1251
01:02:44.639 --> 01:02:49.559
the bear there, ok the kind of the kind of man.
1252
01:02:50.360 --> 01:02:54.159
It's a kind of man that some gay men are
1253
01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:56.960
very attracted to. That's sort of big, strapping.
1254
01:02:59.840 --> 01:03:02.400
I knew that that's okay, that's because.
1255
01:03:02.199 --> 01:03:02.360
I know.
1256
01:03:04.719 --> 01:03:05.519
Bear.
1257
01:03:05.920 --> 01:03:10.639
Yeah, and there's there's a there's a lot of Garvey
1258
01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:12.679
love out there for this very reason. But I said,
1259
01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:16.760
Gardy earns his bear status with this episode. Sexy, sensitive,
1260
01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:19.440
strapping broth of a man.
1261
01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:26.360
Such a gentle giant. And then he was. He was absolutely.
1262
01:03:27.920 --> 01:03:31.199
You know, and to his huge credit to Merlin, he
1263
01:03:31.320 --> 01:03:36.559
was very receptive to being coached. You know, he was
1264
01:03:36.639 --> 01:03:38.360
because he had to give him what. He was a
1265
01:03:38.559 --> 01:03:42.280
very coachable human being. That's his whole life had been
1266
01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:47.960
about getting coached. So he obviously he opened himself up
1267
01:03:48.119 --> 01:03:50.840
to being coached by Michael in a very gentle way.
1268
01:03:51.159 --> 01:03:55.320
He opened himself up to Hersha coaching him a little bit.
1269
01:03:55.480 --> 01:03:59.360
When he worked with Catherine, my wife, Catherine on Father Murphy. Yeah,
1270
01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:04.599
there was there was gentle exploration to help him get
1271
01:04:04.639 --> 01:04:07.280
to places that he needed to go to. And Catherine,
1272
01:04:07.480 --> 01:04:09.639
I mean I did never spoke to hersha about this,
1273
01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:16.039
but Catherine just loved Merlin because he was so he
1274
01:04:16.199 --> 01:04:22.280
was so open and receptive to suggestion as to how
1275
01:04:22.360 --> 01:04:26.039
something might play. She never told him how to play it,
1276
01:04:26.119 --> 01:04:28.400
but gave him thoughts that he.
1277
01:04:28.400 --> 01:04:30.719
Could then work with adjustments that he.
1278
01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:33.360
Could and his ego didn't get in the way of it.
1279
01:04:34.280 --> 01:04:36.079
Yeah, and he was very You had to do.
1280
01:04:36.079 --> 01:04:39.079
Some heavy, I mean when Alice dies. He has to
1281
01:04:39.159 --> 01:04:43.199
do some heavy, some serious dramatic stuff in this show.
1282
01:04:43.239 --> 01:04:47.000
And he's really really lovely. Dean. Isn't it so weird
1283
01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:49.599
your degrees of separation that you had with Catherine before
1284
01:04:49.639 --> 01:04:51.320
you got together.
1285
01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:55.159
It's so crazy to be Yeah.
1286
01:04:55.599 --> 01:04:58.920
I always say to people, I owe so much, so
1287
01:04:59.079 --> 01:05:00.480
much of the good things that.
1288
01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:02.400
Have happened in my life. I owed a little house.
1289
01:05:02.840 --> 01:05:07.679
Yeah, it's just including my wife Catherine, who I met
1290
01:05:07.800 --> 01:05:10.440
as she was going to audition for Michael to play
1291
01:05:10.519 --> 01:05:14.760
this May Woodward part on Father Murphy. So it's like
1292
01:05:14.800 --> 01:05:17.440
that the little house connections just ripple through my life
1293
01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:20.760
that are and it's affected every so many good things
1294
01:05:20.800 --> 01:05:21.440
that have happened.
1295
01:05:21.519 --> 01:05:24.239
It's been a part of that. So yeah.
1296
01:05:24.280 --> 01:05:27.480
So but we're talking, you know, talking about Merlin just
1297
01:05:27.639 --> 01:05:32.000
such a lovely, lovely man and a good man.
1298
01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:35.880
Decent man, and he did he was very well thought of.
1299
01:05:38.199 --> 01:05:41.719
He'd done a few episodes of things, but held like
1300
01:05:41.760 --> 01:05:44.800
big goofy guy, not a big part. A couple of
1301
01:05:44.800 --> 01:05:47.000
shows on he was like as Merlin Olds, so oh
1302
01:05:47.039 --> 01:05:49.400
look it's Merlin Olds in the Football Player. He did
1303
01:05:49.480 --> 01:05:51.840
like he did like that kind of stuff and the
1304
01:05:51.960 --> 01:05:53.400
right episode right.
1305
01:05:53.199 --> 01:05:56.880
Exactly those cammeos that people would do, and he did have.
1306
01:05:56.800 --> 01:05:59.079
Some small parts and things, but it was you know, big,
1307
01:05:59.199 --> 01:06:02.280
big doofis guy. He did. He went when doing this stuff.
1308
01:06:02.599 --> 01:06:06.119
He wasn't a dramatic romantic need and.
1309
01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:11.239
Suddenly no, no, he's lovely all right.
1310
01:06:11.400 --> 01:06:16.360
So we cut to Nelly in her living room playing
1311
01:06:16.480 --> 01:06:17.519
the piano.
1312
01:06:17.360 --> 01:06:20.760
Which is super meta because it's a little house. Same
1313
01:06:21.079 --> 01:06:21.719
she is playing.
1314
01:06:25.159 --> 01:06:26.079
That's not weird.
1315
01:06:29.079 --> 01:06:33.039
It was I was like, they did not, Yes, they did,
1316
01:06:33.320 --> 01:06:34.559
and it's awesome.
1317
01:06:34.880 --> 01:06:41.039
And before David, oh yeah for sure, for sure. It's
1318
01:06:41.039 --> 01:06:43.519
sofa and Nell's is like you.
1319
01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:47.440
Suck go away, but she does, which I love that
1320
01:06:47.719 --> 01:06:49.280
also they actually.
1321
01:06:50.719 --> 01:06:54.760
Yeah, yeah, it wasn't didn't and they had me play
1322
01:06:54.800 --> 01:06:56.559
the piano several times. Well, of course he used to
1323
01:06:56.559 --> 01:07:00.320
have me sing the famous Home on the Ridge, and
1324
01:07:00.360 --> 01:07:02.360
I neither shame nor played the piano.
1325
01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:03.719
And I just.
1326
01:07:05.119 --> 01:07:07.599
The thing for exercises. They try to teach you as
1327
01:07:07.599 --> 01:07:09.519
a kid ding ding ding ding ding, so I could
1328
01:07:09.519 --> 01:07:11.559
put my hands there so it wouldn't look if they
1329
01:07:11.639 --> 01:07:12.320
glimpse my hands.
1330
01:07:12.320 --> 01:07:13.920
They released in the right spot.
1331
01:07:14.519 --> 01:07:20.119
That was about it. Yeah, it was hysterical, hysterical.
1332
01:07:21.480 --> 01:07:23.119
I also love that she's like, you wouldn't talk to
1333
01:07:23.119 --> 01:07:25.360
me like this is if mother was here, and he's like, yep,
1334
01:07:25.760 --> 01:07:26.800
and I love it.
1335
01:07:26.800 --> 01:07:27.480
It's so good.
1336
01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:29.320
And that's up.
1337
01:07:29.679 --> 01:07:35.000
The entry of the Return of Harriet in the Big coct.
1338
01:07:37.079 --> 01:07:41.400
It's so satisfying when Nels actually gets a win, you know,
1339
01:07:41.840 --> 01:07:46.079
like it's so like the audience needs it everyone and
1340
01:07:46.119 --> 01:07:49.119
then you really need that kind.
1341
01:07:48.920 --> 01:07:52.320
Of just desert, you know.
1342
01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:56.719
So right, So, so Harriet loses her shirt on this
1343
01:07:56.800 --> 01:08:03.280
bogus stock trade and as she has no money, and
1344
01:08:03.320 --> 01:08:06.719
he's like, I have money. You don't have money because
1345
01:08:06.719 --> 01:08:09.679
the store is mine, not yours. You set that deal
1346
01:08:09.840 --> 01:08:10.599
up and not me.
1347
01:08:11.239 --> 01:08:12.800
La la la la la.
1348
01:08:13.719 --> 01:08:16.960
I think that's really interesting that he takes the position
1349
01:08:17.079 --> 01:08:19.199
that I got mine, What are.
1350
01:08:19.039 --> 01:08:19.760
You gonna do?
1351
01:08:20.279 --> 01:08:23.960
I love It's it's sort of an interesting in a
1352
01:08:24.079 --> 01:08:27.399
marriage situation where you know they've talked about they did
1353
01:08:27.439 --> 01:08:27.920
this together.
1354
01:08:27.960 --> 01:08:32.279
The way. The way Harriet was established that she was.
1355
01:08:32.640 --> 01:08:36.039
From a from a wealthy family, and clearly she had
1356
01:08:36.079 --> 01:08:38.920
five thousand dollars in her in her mattress, which was
1357
01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:42.159
a lot of money in those days.
1358
01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:45.319
And she she did drag him into it because she's
1359
01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:48.520
always said he got half interest in the store, was
1360
01:08:48.520 --> 01:08:51.560
like that was the dowry or something particular. And so
1361
01:08:51.640 --> 01:08:54.239
she says, yeah, I'll let you have let me do this,
1362
01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:57.479
and I'll let you have half my other half, you'll
1363
01:08:57.520 --> 01:08:59.439
have the whole store. Because she's I don't care, I'm
1364
01:08:59.479 --> 01:09:01.000
gonna make millions on this stock.
1365
01:09:01.640 --> 01:09:02.520
And then she doesn't.
1366
01:09:06.880 --> 01:09:10.079
And I remember when when I got the hotel half interested,
1367
01:09:10.720 --> 01:09:13.279
so he'd called it so they were halfy. But then
1368
01:09:13.319 --> 01:09:15.359
she said no, no, He's like, you can't take all
1369
01:09:15.399 --> 01:09:18.079
that money, and she says, fine, you can have my
1370
01:09:18.159 --> 01:09:20.039
half of the store because I'm not gonna need it
1371
01:09:20.039 --> 01:09:22.199
because I got to go do this. And then she
1372
01:09:22.279 --> 01:09:25.520
comes back and he's like, you've forgotten your half of
1373
01:09:25.560 --> 01:09:26.079
the store.
1374
01:09:26.439 --> 01:09:30.840
Yeah, And of course he's doing it to teach her
1375
01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:32.600
a lesson, and you know.
1376
01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:34.520
She deserves it. She absolutely deserves it.
1377
01:09:34.640 --> 01:09:38.319
So he's like, you need to get a job if
1378
01:09:38.359 --> 01:09:46.359
you want to be with me. So she's loading the
1379
01:09:46.359 --> 01:09:50.159
wagon with the fragile dishes that she plunks down in
1380
01:09:50.199 --> 01:09:53.760
the back of the wagon, and she absolutely deserves every
1381
01:09:53.760 --> 01:09:54.159
bit of it.
1382
01:09:54.720 --> 01:09:57.199
Jonathan then returns home.
1383
01:09:58.560 --> 01:09:58.960
In hand.
1384
01:09:59.279 --> 01:10:04.119
Yes, and he knows he was wrong and everyone is forgiven.
1385
01:10:04.199 --> 01:10:07.279
And and then the moment.
1386
01:10:07.039 --> 01:10:11.239
Where I go, maybe not the best idea, which is
1387
01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:13.800
he then knocks down the telephone pole.
1388
01:10:15.039 --> 01:10:18.359
The cruising guy that he is, he could take down
1389
01:10:18.359 --> 01:10:20.159
the phone pole with his hands.
1390
01:10:23.039 --> 01:10:25.640
To have a phone alone on the prairie. Are you
1391
01:10:25.680 --> 01:10:28.640
sure about? I don't know.
1392
01:10:28.800 --> 01:10:31.800
He trects the phone, but then also again when he
1393
01:10:31.880 --> 01:10:34.760
rips down that pole, those wires don't coaches straight to
1394
01:10:34.800 --> 01:10:35.520
the mercantile.
1395
01:10:35.960 --> 01:10:37.319
Wouldn't he actually walk.
1396
01:10:39.039 --> 01:10:42.079
Phone service to everybody up the street for nine houses? Yeah?
1397
01:10:42.159 --> 01:10:44.640
Yeah, it's like, no, you can't actually do that.
1398
01:10:44.880 --> 01:10:49.239
It realized it would served the story, so we accept
1399
01:10:49.239 --> 01:10:50.319
it for what it is.
1400
01:10:50.600 --> 01:10:52.960
But I thought, you're really gonna want to tell.
1401
01:10:52.880 --> 01:10:55.960
You just the house wall.
1402
01:10:57.399 --> 01:11:00.239
He could have thought it right, but he was of
1403
01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:02.840
a man. No, he's a strapping broot of a man.
1404
01:11:02.920 --> 01:11:04.199
He's going to rip the whole.
1405
01:11:04.079 --> 01:11:07.079
Dang thing out of the wall and that's it. Then
1406
01:11:07.119 --> 01:11:10.039
we're happy and poor Andy through this whole thing.
1407
01:11:10.239 --> 01:11:15.319
Gosh, but he you know, you know, Patrick was Patrick
1408
01:11:15.520 --> 01:11:16.960
is good in this episode.
1409
01:11:16.640 --> 01:11:17.439
So terrific.
1410
01:11:17.560 --> 01:11:22.039
Well, Patrick was terrific in everything. Patrick's a wonderful actor
1411
01:11:22.319 --> 01:11:23.720
and and he's got it.
1412
01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:24.880
Patrick has a.
1413
01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:29.840
Really nice range of things that he is, you know, directions,
1414
01:11:29.880 --> 01:11:32.880
he's able to go as an actor, and he was
1415
01:11:32.920 --> 01:11:36.119
able to be He certainly could summon up that vulnerable,
1416
01:11:36.319 --> 01:11:37.479
hurt child.
1417
01:11:38.039 --> 01:11:40.560
Uh and he did that beautifully here.
1418
01:11:40.479 --> 01:11:43.159
And well and I think he look, I think he
1419
01:11:43.239 --> 01:11:47.520
had a wonderful relationship with Merlin. His own father was
1420
01:11:47.720 --> 01:11:52.039
you know, Patrick's father, who was you know, older.
1421
01:11:51.640 --> 01:11:57.920
And Patrick really needed he really needed somebody who could
1422
01:11:57.920 --> 01:12:01.279
he could turn to, and Merle and really took that
1423
01:12:01.399 --> 01:12:02.359
on with him.
1424
01:12:02.760 --> 01:12:06.279
Yeah. Yeah, So it was really a nice relationship.
1425
01:12:07.000 --> 01:12:10.760
And again the allegory for the Internet because after a
1426
01:12:10.800 --> 01:12:13.720
whole episode of well, internet bullying and people on your
1427
01:12:13.760 --> 01:12:16.560
Facebook and and Nellie was exactly like someone was like
1428
01:12:16.600 --> 01:12:21.000
it's all over Instagram or the bully, the school bully
1429
01:12:21.079 --> 01:12:23.560
puts your stuff out on there, and then what do
1430
01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:25.640
you do? What are the parents who findist that that's it,
1431
01:12:25.720 --> 01:12:27.840
that's it, we're being out give it, Give me your laptop,
1432
01:12:27.960 --> 01:12:30.760
give you your cellphone. We're not doing this anymore. And the
1433
01:12:30.800 --> 01:12:33.359
frustration people feel now and go, it's it. I'm ripping
1434
01:12:33.359 --> 01:12:36.319
out the Wi Fi because the Saint Safe. It's like again,
1435
01:12:36.520 --> 01:12:39.159
it's still relevant today, the urge to just go rip
1436
01:12:39.199 --> 01:12:41.560
it out of the wall with all the bs on there.
1437
01:12:43.119 --> 01:12:46.439
Yeah, oh my gosh, I'm watching a Netflix stock. I
1438
01:12:46.520 --> 01:12:50.600
just finished watching a Netflix doc that is insane. Bananas
1439
01:12:50.600 --> 01:12:54.199
bananas called Known Number, It's called under the Number.
1440
01:12:54.479 --> 01:12:57.239
Yes, oh my god, that's teenage. Anyway.
1441
01:12:57.600 --> 01:13:01.720
It's about this these little teenage like girl and boy
1442
01:13:02.079 --> 01:13:05.680
and a few teenagers like fourteen year olds, who for
1443
01:13:05.800 --> 01:13:10.159
two years were getting bullied. They were getting unknown number
1444
01:13:10.199 --> 01:13:14.520
texts multi like fifty texts a day, like NonStop, twenty
1445
01:13:14.520 --> 01:13:19.039
four to seven, for almost two years of these horrible, horrible,
1446
01:13:19.760 --> 01:13:24.960
abusive bullying things, horrible, especially to this little girl. And
1447
01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:27.680
then they finally the FBI I get involved.
1448
01:13:27.680 --> 01:13:28.720
I mean, it is bad.
1449
01:13:28.840 --> 01:13:33.079
It is the abuse is bad, bad, and it turns
1450
01:13:33.119 --> 01:13:36.199
out it was the girl's mother doing.
1451
01:13:36.000 --> 01:13:37.279
It the whole time.
1452
01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:44.399
I know it's bad, it's really bad anyway. Yeah, the
1453
01:13:44.439 --> 01:13:47.640
internet can be very evil. It can all be evil.
1454
01:13:47.720 --> 01:13:49.840
It can also work for the forces of good, which
1455
01:13:49.880 --> 01:13:53.199
is our podcast.
1456
01:13:53.319 --> 01:13:57.479
It's all inten Yes, if what do you want to
1457
01:13:57.520 --> 01:13:58.479
do with your life?
1458
01:13:58.560 --> 01:14:00.760
And I think, right, come back as we as we
1459
01:14:00.840 --> 01:14:03.800
button this up. This is what Little House is about,
1460
01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:07.399
over and over and over again. It's offering up object
1461
01:14:07.479 --> 01:14:11.239
lessons as to asking the question who do you want to.
1462
01:14:11.159 --> 01:14:12.640
Be in the world?
1463
01:14:13.840 --> 01:14:18.600
And I think this is one of the hugely important
1464
01:14:18.840 --> 01:14:22.880
reasons why Little House has sustained because it's so clear.
1465
01:14:24.159 --> 01:14:27.079
It offers such clear examples of how to behave and
1466
01:14:27.119 --> 01:14:30.720
how not to behave, and it becomes these become teaching
1467
01:14:30.840 --> 01:14:34.159
moment after teaching moment, and you can see it again
1468
01:14:34.199 --> 01:14:38.159
and again and again, and you are reminded of good
1469
01:14:38.159 --> 01:14:39.640
behavior and not good behavior.
1470
01:14:40.039 --> 01:14:45.239
Yeah, right or wrong is very clear in the Yeah
1471
01:14:45.279 --> 01:14:45.760
for sure.
1472
01:14:46.199 --> 01:14:48.319
Yeah, and that's that's it.
1473
01:14:48.479 --> 01:14:53.920
That's it. Yeah, this is a good. Gosh, it was
1474
01:14:53.960 --> 01:14:54.600
so fun.
1475
01:14:54.800 --> 01:14:57.279
I know, this episode is so good. And the Olsen
1476
01:14:58.039 --> 01:15:01.159
Chef's kiss on the brilliance and the horror.
1477
01:15:00.920 --> 01:15:01.439
Of it all.
1478
01:15:01.840 --> 01:15:05.760
So so it feels so weird to love it because it's
1479
01:15:05.800 --> 01:15:06.520
so awful.
1480
01:15:07.119 --> 01:15:09.439
But gosh, you guys are good. Guys are good, and
1481
01:15:09.520 --> 01:15:10.399
what can I say?
1482
01:15:10.399 --> 01:15:11.319
I'm went into a wall.
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It was I had so much fun this episode. It
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was awesome.
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What more could a gal ask for? All Right, everybody,
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thank you so much for being with us. You can
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check out everything that we're doing on our socials Little
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Look in our show notes for all the events.
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Our live event in New York City November twenty second
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Woo. Anyway, that's our show for today. Bob, get the wig.
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Let's lie. I like my telephone. You don't want a
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lambline anymore.
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I'm lamp breaking than I.
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Thanks again, We