649: Burned by AI

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Hello, friends, and welcome back to your weekly Linux talk show. My name is Chris.
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My name is Wes.
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And my name is Brent.
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Hello, gentlemen. Well, coming up on the show today, it does seem to be the storage apocalypse.
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It's here. It's real. And an old friend's going to drop by to talk survival
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strategies as prices explode.
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And then we've got an unapologetically 90s approach to stretching your current storage.
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Sometimes the old way of doing things still makes sense. They're going to round
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it out with some booths, some picks, and a lot more.
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So before we get there, let's say time-appropriate greetings to our virtual
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lug. Hello, Mumble Room!
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Hey, Chris, hey, Wes, and hello, Brent.
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And let's say hello to that old friend from Tux Digital and this week in Linux,
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Michael Tunnellsbeck. Hello, Michael.
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Hello, everybody.
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It's good to see you.
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Yeah, it's been a while.
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Yeah, we didn't get a chance to see you for our predictions episode because
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you were under the weather. But you're back?
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Not speak so that was that was a bummer because uh i enjoy being the referee you.
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Know yeah well maybe we'll pick it back up next
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year but it's good to see and i think we should maybe we could chat in just
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a moment on a couple of those predictions i mean we might have them here so
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if we wanted to look at them in a moment we could before we get there i want
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to say good morning to our friends over at defined networking go check out manage
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nebula at define.net slash unplugged Now,
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you want a beautiful mesh VPN network these days.
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Everybody knows that because the benefits are incredible. I mean,
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you can connect data centers across multiple different providers and regions,
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your mobile devices, your workstations, your development machines,
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your production machines, and you can create all kinds of privacy with this
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that is just absolutely unbeatable. I mean, I think people understand that.
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But which one is actually the right one to choose? And I say you have to check
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out Define a .NET slash Unplugged.
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It's a decentralized VPN built on the open source Nebula project.
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It's all open source. Top to bottom, if you want to self-host every single component,
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it will always be that way because that's how they build it.
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You want to know what feature's coming down the road?
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Go watch the development right there out in the open on GitHub.
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And then later on, if you decide, I want to completely take this over myself,
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you absolutely can, including some of the essential services.
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But what I think is great is they offer the managed Nebula product so you can get started.
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They host the tough stuff. They do all of that. Later on, if you want to own
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the authentication and you want to own the discovery and all of that, you absolutely can.
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Nebula's decentralized design means there's no single point of failure.
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There's nothing that can happen like on their back end because you can host everything.
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And when you're building something that you want to last five years,
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10 years, you got to think about that.
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It was also from the get-go designed to manage Slack's global infrastructure.
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So you know it's tight, it's powerful, it's super advanced.
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I could tell you all about it, but I think you should go check it out.
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You can get 100 hosts for free, no credit card required, no lock-in,
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define.net slash unplugged. You start with that, then later on you want to go
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set up your own lighthouses? You absolutely can.
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There's no problem. There's no conflict there where you're like part of a big sales funnel.
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Like it's such a great thing because we have heard from so many people out there
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that have deployed it, and they absolutely have been thrilled.
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And probably going to have a little bit more from my end next week. So check it out.
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Go get started. support the show at defined.net slash unplugged.
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And a big thank you to defined.net for sponsoring the Unplugged program.
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Gentlemen, we are on like Donkey Kong for Planet Nix. Get ready. We're going.
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Phlox is helping make it possible again this year. You know Phlox.
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They're focused on making reproducible dev environments actually usable.
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And they're facilitating our trip and Planet Nix. We will have a meetup.
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I think year two is going to be fantastic.
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The call for papers for Planet Nix ends very soon.
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January 15th. So if you're listening to it when this comes out,
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you got a few days. Jan 15th.
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We'll put a link in the show notes. To attend Planet Nix, you need to register for Scale.
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So we'll put a link in there, too. We have a promo code. The promo code is UNPLUG,
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U-N-P-L-G, UNPLUG, and you'll get 40% off your ticket.
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And the remaining value goes to support one of the best open source conferences out there.
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Yeah, and you get access to both Planet Nix and Scale.
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And the expo hall and all the other talks. There's a lot.
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UNPLUG, U-N-P-L-G. We'll have a link to that. We want to see you there.
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This, you know, I think year one of Planet Nix.
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Is this a thing? Is this possible? Can they pull this off?
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Establish it? Yes. Did people like it? We loved it.
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All right, we're doing it again. Now, this year, I think it's going to be a
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lot about building things, talking to people, like people who don't normally
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sit in the same room together, but also still use the same stuff they create. A lot of that.
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And I think it's also going to just pull them or just lead right in to a great scale.
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So why not make it to both? And then just shortly after that,
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LinuxFest Northwest, April 24th to the 26th, back at the Bellingham Technical
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College in the original large expo room.
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Oh.
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Back in the nice area. It's all fixed up. And the LinuxFest Northwest call for
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papers ends tomorrow. Tomorrow.
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at midnight, Monday, January 12th, at midnight. So get it in.
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No promo code for LinuxFest Northwest because it's free.
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Although you can give them a little donation if you want to help support a great event.
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We'll have links to the LinuxFest Northwest call for papers as well. So there you go.
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Planet Nix and Scale. That's happening in March, March 5th through the 6th in
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Pasadena, California. We'd love to see you there.
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And then a little bit after that, LinuxFest Northwest, April 24th through the
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26th. things are shaping up to be a beautiful spring a warm beautiful spring
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in the pacific northwest and then they're saying a hot summer you know have you seen this no.
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I have not.
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Yeah we got a nino transition it's fading out uh you know of dominance as they
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say uh-huh which means it should be a beautiful linux fest northwest so we'd
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love to see you plenty of time to plan.
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Right come on we're telling you now.
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Yep and all the lazy links are in the show notes,
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Well, I just wanted to say a big welcome back to Michael. It's nice to see you,
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sir. Thank you again for making it.
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Thanks for having me.
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Would you love to go back in time and see how you did? I mean,
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would you just love it? Would you just be thrilled? I would love it.
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Actually, I don't remember most of what I said. I remember one of them,
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and I think I was right. And the other ones, I don't remember at all.
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I mean, I did. I don't remember them specifically. But when we were prepping
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for the episode, I reviewed them. And I think you did OK.
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Yeah, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by yourself.
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So, here was Michael's first prediction for 2025.
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I predict that the Cosmic desktop from System76 will make at least a release
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candidate version available in 2025.
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I mean, they made that.
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I was very right.
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Nice. Not bad.
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I forgot about that one entirely.
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You're too busy playing with Cosmic.
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That only really came later in the year.
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Yeah, it was like three weeks before the end of the year. and then like nice yeah.
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All right here was prediction number two for 2025 i.
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Predict that the linux desktop market share will become five percent some point this year.
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I think that one was right too right like everything we can.
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Measure with.
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Seems like that seems like it hit which is.
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Yeah i was i was super shocked uh because that's the one i remembered i was
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like uh because i remember saying like because it was expected to go to four
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and i was like you know i'll just do five anyway and then that actually happened
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it's like wow how was i right okay awesome well.
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You know what i want to know is do you have a prediction for 2026.
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I should but in terms of market share i think it's going to go up to i'm going
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to go ahead and say an extra two percent and say seven all.
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Right all right i like that that was bold all right are you ready for your third and last prediction.
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Yes here.
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We go i predict that in 2025 kde will release a specific desktop operating system
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of their own, regardless of what it's named,
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KDE Linux or not, and it will be at least at a beta release level.
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Now, I don't know. I don't know if they've actually hit beta, have they?
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No, I think I was wrong on that one. I think they hit alpha, not beta.
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Yeah, right.
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That's a bummer. I almost got perfect.
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Okay, here's just a bonus prediction. Do you think they'll hit a 1.0 in 2026?
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I think towards the end of the year, maybe. Yeah. I don't think it's going to
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be anytime soon, but I think they've made a lot of progress.
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I think they've made a lot of progress, enough where they could get to the the
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like I don't know November December era yeah.
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I hope so.
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Although didn't I see they're like doing some debates about sort of the underpinnings
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and should they stick with their like arch sort of inspired thing or adopt other.
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Yeah I think that there's actually potential where they could you know do a
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combination of things like,
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a lot of the effort in the Universal Blue project is super
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interesting because there's there's some effort to make it
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distro-less and that by that meaning um
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it doesn't matter what it's sitting on top of like the
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you could switch out the underneath you know
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fairly easily like just how you can like image mode you can
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switch the desktops pretty quickly it would be uh possible to switch arch to
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fedora or back and forth rebase the base yeah but also the user could do it
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like not even like it's great all you have to do is set up the image mode to
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have that compatibility and it'd be theoretically possible to do that.
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Swap that layer out, huh?
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Yeah, that could also solve that problem. Who knows?
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Wouldn't that be interesting? I'm just thinking about the way OEMs could use that.
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I think the last 10% of KDE Linux is going to be the toughest. So that...
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It might push a 1.0 out to Q1 of 2027. And I don't think that'd be a shame.
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Honestly, I feel like it might be a 1.0 that's not a 1.0.
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Oh, it could be, yeah.
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Yeah. So, like, for example, Cosmix. Cosmix 1.0 was not really ready.
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Like, it's cool. There's a lot of good stuff.
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But there's still some pretty noticeable bugs that would not really count as a 1.0 in that sense.
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And in our space, there is some value to getting it out there in front of users
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and starting to get that feedback.
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Yeah. I also just feel like the idea of the 1.0 is, you know,
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like the version number mattering is like antiquated and no longer matters.
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Like it's like when people talk about like the next version of Linux,
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you know, like Linux 7 is going to come out sometime soon.
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And they're like, well, why is it going to 7? Well, arbitrary number count.
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Like who cares? like it doesn't it's not like they actually choose it for any
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particular reason it's just because they're tired of being six so like now it's seven they.
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Choose it because west predicted it that's usually how it goes.
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Well that that also helps too yeah.
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You know back in my day a point release was like a sign of perhaps a compatibility
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break or a major new feature set.
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Yeah it's.
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Just sort of lost its meaning in that sense.
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Yeah and the major minor bug thing is gone too like it some people use it but
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it also doesn't matter anymore yeah so like uh ubuntu helped create that to go away with the dates.
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So now we have like the major minor, but it's really just like,
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it's an update. Who cares?
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Yeah, I wonder, one day we'll have Linux 2810. Linux, you know,
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whatever. Whatever we'll have.
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All right, well, we are gathered here today because we, as a world,
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of technology enthusiasts, are faced with the plight of incredibly high storage prices.
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I really missed the boat on this one. I don't know how many of you were feeling
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this way, but I, of course, was, if you guys remember, we were talking about
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low power home labs towards the end of last year, started around October, November.
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Boy, should I have bought then. So I did a little digging before the show,
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guys, and it's real bad out there. So...
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The worst price increases seem to be in like the kind of nicer SSDs and MVMEs
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in the two terabyte and up range.
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I don't see a lot of punishment in the one terabyte. But for example,
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the Western Digital Black SN850X two terabyte drive is up 80 percent since October. Since October.
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Since October.
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That's not 10 percent. That's not 20 percent. No. Over 50 percent.
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And because I'm in a moving vehicle, I was looking for solid state.
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So I at first had my eye on an 8-terabyte NVMe, which would be just enough.
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And that thing went from it.
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I mean, that sounds expensive already.
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Yeah. But I think it was like $700, $800. And now it's between $14 and $1,600
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depending on the vendor.
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Wow.
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And the other thing is.
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Do I want a laptop or a hard drive?
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The number of vendors even supplying to the consumer market is less.
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I did a little comparison shopping on Camel, Camel, Camel of SSD vendors selling
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two terabyte drives back in October, and there were probably 30 of them. And now there's two.
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So it's brutal out there.
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And it's just gone from something that was kind of cheap to just this precious
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commodity, obviously because enterprise data centers, those types of AI jobs,
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they're all eating up storage.
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They're buying inventory before they've even been produced. Some of these vendors
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are making exclusivity deals with these larger data centers to provide them
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with, you know, their storage chips.
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So I think each one of us have probably been thinking about this problem a little bit.
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I don't know if anybody – you know, we always are – our storage needs are always growing.
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So I thought we'd go around the horn and kind of talk about if we had any ideas
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for sort of stretching out or getting cheap storage for 2026, maybe even into 2027.
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Some of the things I was looking at here suggest we already have back orders
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now on the books up to 24 months from the AI data centers.
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And so they are going to be filling the data center inventory for 24 months
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at least, and that's the existing back.
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Now, some of that might get canceled if things decline or whatever,
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but the projection is at least until 2027, we're going to have a massive crunch in storage prices.
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So, Michael, do you have any thoughts on ways to stretch your existing storage
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or cheap storage acquisition strategies?
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Are you going to be shucking USB disks?
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Do you have any hard drives we can have?
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So actually as you were talking about it i was thinking about it
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and uh you got that
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sweet storage i i was actually thinking about
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it as you were mentioning you were describing this problem and i was thinking
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like you know at this point ssds are probably around the same or if not more
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value than gold so so i was thinking like maybe i should sell some of my ssds
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you know and get some like like some like five-year-old ssds are now worth double
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what they were or whatever,
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and uh and but it's actually
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kind of funny because i was you know debating whether or
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not i should upgrade my hard drives for my
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nas because i got i recently got a bigger nas
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so like i had a four bay and now i have an eight bay and then
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i was thinking like okay i need to you know
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figure out a time where i need to get some more drives and
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then i looked at the prices like you know what i can
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wait a little bit i'll come back into it like a couple months and
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then the storage price hit same and yeah it's completely destroyed all plans
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so like i'm now not only am i not i'm not even using that new bay anymore i'm
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using the still using old four bay uh just because it's not worth even bothering
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to move the stuff and now i'm just in the process of like.
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Figuring out like it used to be uh you know storage is
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cheap i'll just get whatever i need and then i'll just keep everything
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now i'm just deciding whether i want to keep the stuff or not
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like some of the stuff i've had for 20 years
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yeah and i've not never looked at it ever because
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i have a i had a rule i don't need more i've already i've already established
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this and i've gone i've i've pulled the trigger on this situation to save my
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storage and uh i used to have a philosophy of everything I create as a creative
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person and graphic design and everything, I keep everything.
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Yeah, totally get that, right? You don't want to have it later,
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you're like, I had that, I made that, I burned hours of my life investing in
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creating that to throw it away when I could have just had that one more FLAC file? Come on.
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Exactly. And also, it goes back to when I was doing graphic design.
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So I have all the PSD files and I have everything. So I have the completed project
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and the source project and everything.
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And I've gotten to the point where now, So some of that stuff I still keep,
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even if it's super old, just because of like, I just want it.
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But when it comes to video, and doing like video on YouTube,
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and you know, the podcasting and stuff, and there's been, there's just so much data that takes up.
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And I was thinking, like, do I have I ever gone back and done a montage of like
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previous episodes or anything? Have I ever used that stuff?
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And no, I have not. So I just basically deleted half of the storage.
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And now I actually have the NAS available to use again.
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Yeah, because I was I was super close to having nothing on the on no storage
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on the NAS. And now I have like half of it back.
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So I'm actually kind of happy I did that because I would have just bought new storage.
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I don't I'm not saying that it's good that this happened
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that forced me to do this but I am happy that uh I'm I've kind of gotten past
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this threshold of like not holding on to everything because I I'm a very minimal
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person in reality but in terms of digital hoarder yep that would I'm very much
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a digital hoarder so I think that's a fair point there is.
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It is really easy to slip into digital hoarding um and and just you save everything
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and and you constantly are adding to it more and more, which is kind of fun,
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but gets very expensive right now.
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Yeah. So I'm kind of not with like project files, but I'm on the other end of
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I spent probably the last five years being I'll just delete it guy.
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And then a couple of months ago, a few months ago, I was starting to plan for
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my daughter's birthday and I wanted to get her that I wanted to show her this
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movie that I had deleted, but I figured what's the big deal?
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I'll just download it again. could not actually find a working way to get it again.
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And so I went and bought the DVD and ripped it and started thinking,
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you know, there's a few things I started going through my library and thinking
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there's a few things that I ripped by hand that I either think are better quality
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or like I can't necessarily find an easy way to find them again online.
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And I started thinking maybe there is some stuff I do want to keep forever.
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And then if that's the case, I got a real problem here because I'm already almost
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out of storage. There is some stuff I absolutely will delete.
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There are some things I want to keep.
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Yeah, no, I'm kind of in the same place. Like I have been trying to keep,
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I haven't, not for the last few years, but before that I was moving around a
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lot and it was just like, didn't make sense to have a giant NAS keeping everything.
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So I've kind of been pruning, but you're right.
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We're entering now a digital landscape where I've been thinking about it for,
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like with the, I don't know if you've seen some of the numbers people are passing
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around for like the death of stack overflow.
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Yeah.
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But there's just a lot of stuff on there. Not that it isn't elsewhere,
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but especially even for some things like, like there's like the math overflow part.
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There's some nice write-ups or ways that people express things or taught things,
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just things that I've kind of always relied on existing out there in the internet,
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whether it be on the media side or just on the information side,
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that we're getting to a new era.
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And it seems like a lot of that stuff, some of it will be kept,
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some of it will hit the internet archive, but a lot of it just won't.
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And if I don't take action and have some dedicated storage for it,
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it might just vanish. Yeah.
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And then I've also digitized more things with paperless and whatnot,
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which also brings in backups to this, Brent.
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And I don't know if you've thought much about this, but with storage going up,
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it makes strategies like, oh, I'll just buy another hard drive.
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I'll buy this hard drive, copy everything over, then send it off-site.
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Well, maybe not with the expense now.
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Yeah. I mean, that was my strategy up till now. And now I'm thinking,
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holy, I got to get my act in gear because if I all of a sudden decide I have
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to move to used drives, for instance.
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I don't know. You tell me if I'm right or not. But that feels like the risk
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is higher. So maybe I do need extra bays in my NAS.
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And maybe I do need to have a better RAID system. And maybe I do need,
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you know, more offside backups and stuff because hard drives are going to fail.
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Used drives are getting more expensive, too. I did a little eBay slinking trying to find a cheap.
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And you can, I mean, you'll save money. But like you said, you don't know the quality.
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And yeah, like they're still not as cheap as they used to be.
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And here I thought 2026 was naively going to be the year I finally got a proper
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backup system for my folks going.
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I know. So, yeah, Brian, it's like not even used storage.
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Well, I do have a bunch in my basement
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that I forgot about that I could probably get back out of the ice.
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Slam it all into a scary raid, you know?
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I think the worst part is that now this whole thing has happened.
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And I have just a few sitting over here for like, you know, drives that I've
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done for testing of like distros and stuff that even they're 256 gig or 512
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gig. And they're now looking super appealing.
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Like, oh, wow, I actually have stuff I can use, even though it's super tiny, too.
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I know, I was looking at, like, SATA controllers with, like, eight ports on them.
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I'm like, I could slam one of these in and just attach a bunch of random drives
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and then just smash it all together. And then one of them will eventually pop, but...
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All right, you get a bunch of Raspberry Pis, and then you plug in a bunch of sort of USB expanders.
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And then you put in a bunch of flash drives, and then you put that all into
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a CEPH cluster. And then you just store everything there.
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Well, why not cut out the middleman and get a USB hub and just attach a whole
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bunch of SD card readers all to the USB hub?
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Oh, good point, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Those are so thin, right?
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It like it'll stack well yeah it's essentially solid.
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I would assume this is all you know hard drives and memory and ssd is all being
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consumed by like the you know ai push right the.
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Big machine yeah.
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But i was thinking about this a little bit more this morning and,
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You know, they're going to be pushing their hard drives out of the pipeline at some point, right?
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They're not just going to hoard every single hard drive that they're using.
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I feel like they're going to destroy them, though. Like, they're going to use
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them to a degree. Like, you know, like the crypto miners made the GPUs worthless.
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I feel like they're going to make their drives worthless.
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Yeah. Although, like, some vendors may have an age-out strategy.
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Hmm. You could still see. Like, I could still see, even if not all of them.
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If only like, say, 30% of them made it on the market, in the used market,
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there are outlets that specialize.
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And that's one of the ones I looked into, by the way, is there are outlets that
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specialize in they go buy them from the data centers and guarantee like they
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wipe everything and they have like a whole contract. And then they resell them
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in bundles, like massive bundles.
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So that could be a thing.
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The nice thing, too, with some of this, right, like, unlike GPUs,
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I mean, if it was cheaper, you could also, if it was cheaper but sketchy,
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you could up the redundancy, right?
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Oh, true.
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I'm going to build two arrays. I'm going to have double copies because I don't
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really trust either of them, and I don't want to do a giant.
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So that could be a future thing where use storage comes down,
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but as of right now, it's still pretty expensive, and you're rolling the dice.
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So it's sort of a double whammy.
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There's also something to be said for not every
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single ai company that's buying all this stuff up right
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now because they somehow have free money uh is
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going to survive so we might see like these big splashes of hardware just hitting
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the used market all of a sudden so if you're looking you might be able to find
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that stuff i don't imagine it'll be a constant you know stream of what we want
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to be consuming in terms of hardware but it might happen.
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Yeah, they may not all be consumer end products, but if you're okay dealing
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with SaaS or whatever, it might work.
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But I do think there is something we can do about it because there is an area
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of the market that these data centers are just not gobbling up.
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They have no interest in.
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It still provides a good means of storage.
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You're talking about magnetic tape.
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I looked at that. I did. If anybody knows a place to find a tape drive that's
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reliable for under $500, let me know. but all the ones I saw.
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Floppy disks.
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Floppy disks. Yes. Now here's what I'm thinking.
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The solution comes from the nineties and that's optical media.
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We channel our inner nineties kids and I think we look back at optical media.
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I think it, I think it holds the solution.
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seemed to get worse every single year.
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pay for each other's unexpected medical events.
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And people are incentivized to take care of each other in this incentive and
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take care of themselves.
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The system's betting that you're just going to stay stuck, and you're just going
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to keep paying the same more and more overpriced, complicated mess.
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And this year, it's getting even worse because a lot of the subsidies are expiring,
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and so the costs are going to go up even more.
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So far, CrowdHealth members have saved $40 million in health care expenses because
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they refuse to overpay. I, myself, have saved somewhere around $3,200.
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Chris, I'll admit when I first heard you talking about this idea,
461
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I thought it was pretty crazy because I thought we had left those little spinning
462
00:27:37,245 --> 00:27:38,785
things of plastic behind.
463
00:27:39,005 --> 00:27:41,745
Like, I have a drawer full somewhere, though, if you need some.
464
00:27:42,565 --> 00:27:46,885
But now I, after doing a little research, I kind of see where you're going with this.
465
00:27:47,005 --> 00:27:50,985
It's, you know, I'm feeling a little nostalgic from their 90s times.
466
00:27:51,245 --> 00:27:54,985
It is fun. It does have some nostalgia. Physical media, it's back.
467
00:27:55,185 --> 00:27:57,085
It's still a thing and it's cheap.
468
00:27:58,425 --> 00:28:03,445
So the seed oil of this idea was after last week's Linux Unplugged,
469
00:28:03,585 --> 00:28:09,585
Wes and I were checking out the DVD drive that I bought to restore or re-rip
470
00:28:09,585 --> 00:28:12,525
stuff from the original DVD since I deleted it and then wanted it back.
471
00:28:13,185 --> 00:28:16,205
And we were checking it out and I needed something to test it with and I wanted
472
00:28:16,205 --> 00:28:19,665
to see if it worked with Linux and see if the USB bus could power it enough and all this.
473
00:28:20,185 --> 00:28:25,425
So I'm searching the whole freaking studio and I cannot find any physical media. I'm like, wow.
474
00:28:25,745 --> 00:28:30,405
In my mind, I can picture where I used to store DVDs. But of course, that was a decade ago.
475
00:28:31,005 --> 00:28:38,165
So I find an old CDR in a box of old studio stuff and something I burnt a long
476
00:28:38,165 --> 00:28:39,985
time ago. And it's like data backup on there.
477
00:28:40,565 --> 00:28:43,545
And I vaguely recall doing this.
478
00:28:43,665 --> 00:28:47,265
So I bring it in, pop it in the new drive and it mounts and I see it.
479
00:28:47,405 --> 00:28:54,965
And I start looking at the contents on there. And it's a backup of the Office 2000 installer.
480
00:28:55,185 --> 00:28:57,085
That's right. Oh, that was so good.
481
00:28:57,265 --> 00:29:02,865
I burned this CD-R in early 2000, 26 years ago.
482
00:29:04,229 --> 00:29:06,669
And it was just there, sitting, waiting this whole time.
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00:29:06,749 --> 00:29:07,649
Just worked perfectly.
484
00:29:08,029 --> 00:29:08,729
No way.
485
00:29:08,949 --> 00:29:13,809
And it struck me as, well, that's about as best case scenario as I can expect. Right?
486
00:29:14,289 --> 00:29:16,669
Now, admittedly, we didn't try installing Windows.
487
00:29:16,729 --> 00:29:22,009
No. We didn't check Summit. That's true. We didn't try installing Office 2000.
488
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:25,629
But it just got me thinking, like, wow, that really held up.
489
00:29:25,849 --> 00:29:30,309
And then throughout the week, I realized, well, this DVD drive can burn Blu-rays.
490
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:33,729
And then I started thinking, well, let's go take a look at this.
491
00:29:34,229 --> 00:29:35,509
I'm running out of storage.
492
00:29:35,729 --> 00:29:40,189
Well, you can buy a 50 gigabyte Blu-ray disc.
493
00:29:40,349 --> 00:29:49,189
In fact, you can buy a pack of 10 50 gig Blu-ray discs for 18 US dollars.
494
00:29:50,589 --> 00:29:57,569
You can buy 100 discs at Newegg for under $160. So on the low end.
495
00:29:58,069 --> 00:30:00,109
They still manufacture them? I don't believe this.
496
00:30:00,469 --> 00:30:03,529
Wow. So say you get that Newegg deal, right? you're essentially
497
00:30:03,529 --> 00:30:06,549
buying usable storage about 4.6 terabytes
498
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:09,649
of usable storage and so that works out to be about three
499
00:30:09,649 --> 00:30:12,629
cents a gigabyte you could
500
00:30:12,629 --> 00:30:15,529
of course get an ssd at a pretty but you know those are pretty expensive so
501
00:30:15,529 --> 00:30:21,569
you can buy these bundles of blu-ray discs at 50 gigs a pop i mean it's going
502
00:30:21,569 --> 00:30:26,049
to take a while but this is like an area that the data centers don't don't care
503
00:30:26,049 --> 00:30:29,769
about they're they're not driving these prices up and then you have something
504
00:30:29,769 --> 00:30:34,349
that could potentially sit on a shelf for 26 years and if you ever needed it back.
505
00:30:34,349 --> 00:30:37,329
I mean so I guess you gotta go through the effort of doing the burning.
506
00:30:37,329 --> 00:30:38,049
Yep and.
507
00:30:38,049 --> 00:30:39,289
Maybe the restoring or the.
508
00:30:39,289 --> 00:30:42,369
Validating don't lose it and don't forget what files on what and probably.
509
00:30:42,369 --> 00:30:44,729
Ideally you wanna make sure you've got it in some sort of storage where it's
510
00:30:44,729 --> 00:30:46,509
not gonna get scratched and you know whatever,
511
00:30:48,258 --> 00:30:54,978
But, I mean, I remember the eras, like I remember copying stuff for friends, et cetera.
512
00:30:55,178 --> 00:30:58,518
Like, I have gone through the motions of burning a fair amount of disks,
513
00:30:58,638 --> 00:31:02,298
right? So, like, it is doable, and you probably use them in the computer anyway,
514
00:31:02,378 --> 00:31:04,218
so, like, you kind of just do it while you're doing other things.
515
00:31:04,798 --> 00:31:08,878
And if you do it right, you know, like in the case of this CDR I backed up in
516
00:31:08,878 --> 00:31:13,778
the year 2000, if it's just files on a file system, and you don't require some
517
00:31:13,778 --> 00:31:16,438
specific app to, like, decrypt and restore it,
518
00:31:17,358 --> 00:31:21,098
then future you can just drag and drop the files when you want to restore it
519
00:31:21,098 --> 00:31:23,518
when you want them maybe you only want one file or something like that.
520
00:31:23,518 --> 00:31:27,798
But that does bring up keeping track of like there is that because if you're
521
00:31:27,798 --> 00:31:31,498
gonna have it like the units are smaller right so you'll have more units and
522
00:31:31,498 --> 00:31:35,198
so yeah if you don't do a good job labeling or whatever then you're like well
523
00:31:35,198 --> 00:31:37,338
where's wait i need for the photos from which year.
524
00:31:38,385 --> 00:31:41,925
We also have much better compression algorithms these days than we used to.
525
00:31:42,105 --> 00:31:45,905
So I feel like you could fit even more info on those disks than you're comparing.
526
00:31:46,365 --> 00:31:52,325
That's very true. So I set out to find a tool to help me achieve this job.
527
00:31:52,605 --> 00:31:56,605
How hard could this be, right? I looked at Borg Backup.
528
00:31:56,745 --> 00:32:00,165
I looked at Bacula, too, considering maybe I would actually just accomplish
529
00:32:00,165 --> 00:32:01,665
this with a traditional backup tool.
530
00:32:01,825 --> 00:32:04,545
Because you bring up a good point, Wes, is like the key thing is,
531
00:32:04,685 --> 00:32:09,845
say my kids come to me two years from now, and they say, Dad, we want to watch X.
532
00:32:10,385 --> 00:32:15,745
And, well, how the hell do I know out of these 15 Blu-rays where that one file is?
533
00:32:15,965 --> 00:32:20,425
And if you're backing up a TV series, it could be larger than 50 gigabytes or something like that.
534
00:32:20,625 --> 00:32:23,405
It's even worse if it's a bunch of small files. They're like,
535
00:32:23,485 --> 00:32:26,785
oh, I need the, which, okay, where did I put the taxes for this year?
536
00:32:27,025 --> 00:32:30,905
Oh, God, yeah. Yeah, because paperless is also another thing in here and all of that.
537
00:32:31,085 --> 00:32:35,145
So, ladies and gentlemen, I could not find a tool, so I have made a tool,
538
00:32:35,185 --> 00:32:37,445
and it is called Blue Vault.
539
00:32:37,705 --> 00:32:46,025
That's right. It's a Rust-based app, a TUI, with sort of an 80s theme for managing Blu-ray archives.
540
00:32:46,265 --> 00:32:52,725
And the basic idea is you attach a USB Blu-ray burner, which are like $50 these
541
00:32:52,725 --> 00:32:55,485
days, US dollars. You bring up this TUI.
542
00:32:56,407 --> 00:32:59,767
And it walks you through archiving individual folders to a Blu-ray disk.
543
00:32:59,847 --> 00:33:02,527
And it supports 25 gig, 50 gig, and 100 gigabyte disks.
544
00:33:03,127 --> 00:33:07,087
I just this morning added multi-disk architecture. So that's very new.
545
00:33:07,307 --> 00:33:10,067
So there's two different releases. Release one is single-disk architecture.
546
00:33:10,507 --> 00:33:15,487
Release two is multi-disk architecture. It generates a table of contents and
547
00:33:15,487 --> 00:33:17,767
a SQL database where all of the files are.
548
00:33:17,927 --> 00:33:22,687
It does a SHA-256 sum and a CRC-325 sum of all of the files.
549
00:33:22,787 --> 00:33:26,567
So you can verify them later. It offers two different burn methods,
550
00:33:26,767 --> 00:33:30,267
burns directly to Blu-ray or just create an ISO image.
551
00:33:30,727 --> 00:33:34,667
And it has an optional QR code generator. So if you wanted to label the disk
552
00:33:34,667 --> 00:33:36,787
or the jewel case with a QR code, you could.
553
00:33:36,987 --> 00:33:40,227
It has a verify mode, which is very nice.
554
00:33:40,327 --> 00:33:42,747
It also will do a dry run if you just want to go through a dry run.
555
00:33:42,827 --> 00:33:46,347
It's using like R-Sync on the back end and a bunch of standard Linux burning tools.
556
00:33:46,467 --> 00:33:51,347
So really, I just created the TUI to set on top of this. And the Tui has a phosphorus
557
00:33:51,347 --> 00:33:54,247
green, high contrast, black on green.
558
00:33:54,427 --> 00:33:57,367
But it's easy to read. Like the stuff you're supposed to look at is obvious and highlighted.
559
00:33:58,667 --> 00:34:02,407
Monospace type. It's really nice. Subtle animations. And one of the things I
560
00:34:02,407 --> 00:34:07,587
worked on, although it's not perfect, is I really tried to constantly give you as much feedback.
561
00:34:07,987 --> 00:34:12,107
Because there's some processes that are just like when you're generating a shot,
562
00:34:12,207 --> 00:34:14,027
like it can take a little bit in the background.
563
00:34:14,167 --> 00:34:17,427
Right. Or if you're if you're moving an MKV file to a Blu-ray,
564
00:34:17,647 --> 00:34:22,287
it can take a little bit. So I've tried to give the UI as much responsiveness
565
00:34:22,287 --> 00:34:24,187
and updates as to what it's doing as possible.
566
00:34:25,027 --> 00:34:28,527
And then the thing I just added this morning, well, technically late last night.
567
00:34:30,371 --> 00:34:34,131
Is the multi-disc archive. Because obviously you're going to have issues where
568
00:34:34,131 --> 00:34:37,151
you want to back up something that's larger than 50 gigabytes or something like that.
569
00:34:37,311 --> 00:34:40,371
And so what I'm trying to do here is preserve the folder integrity.
570
00:34:40,651 --> 00:34:45,231
So it's not doing like a par split or something like that where it's lumping
571
00:34:45,231 --> 00:34:46,251
them all up and splitting them.
572
00:34:46,651 --> 00:34:51,151
It will err on the side of potentially wasting a little space on a Blu-ray in
573
00:34:51,151 --> 00:34:53,591
order to keep all the files just accessible on the file system.
574
00:34:53,731 --> 00:34:58,291
And then does sequential folder naming so you know where everything's at.
575
00:34:58,331 --> 00:35:00,371
And this is disc two, this is disc one. And then, like I said,
576
00:35:00,411 --> 00:35:04,151
it also has a SQLite database that tracks the multi-disc sets for you,
577
00:35:04,311 --> 00:35:05,751
which you can then search against later on.
578
00:35:06,471 --> 00:35:09,091
Wait, okay. So it's not splitting files or anything?
579
00:35:09,311 --> 00:35:11,431
No, it's just kind of looking at the map and being like, okay,
580
00:35:11,431 --> 00:35:16,071
I can fit this season on this disk, but a few episodes are going to have to go on this other disk.
581
00:35:16,151 --> 00:35:18,431
And I'll properly label that in the file system, but you know,
582
00:35:18,551 --> 00:35:21,111
you're going to probably waste a few gigs on this disk.
583
00:35:21,231 --> 00:35:24,331
But the idea being that in the future, you could just put that in,
584
00:35:24,451 --> 00:35:27,351
mount it, and just drag and drop the files. You don't need any particular app to restore it.
585
00:35:27,351 --> 00:35:30,451
And then is it like thought of differently in the app?
586
00:35:30,591 --> 00:35:35,411
Is that like the multi-disk thought of as a single unit when you're like listing all of your disks or?
587
00:35:35,991 --> 00:35:38,851
So then it knows that they're at least connected in the database.
588
00:35:39,111 --> 00:35:42,451
Yes, exactly. And there's two paths in the app right now. There's the single
589
00:35:42,451 --> 00:35:43,691
disk route, which is really simple.
590
00:35:43,791 --> 00:35:46,291
Then there's the multi-disk route. And then if you do the multi-disk route,
591
00:35:46,411 --> 00:35:49,851
then the database knows, okay, this was a multi-disk entry and just stores it that way.
592
00:35:50,670 --> 00:35:54,670
It's a Rust app, too, which is fun, and it's the first Rust app I've ever created.
593
00:35:55,170 --> 00:35:58,430
I've tried to be considerate about
594
00:35:58,430 --> 00:36:01,870
storage space, too, so when the job is successful, it'll clean itself up.
595
00:36:02,010 --> 00:36:05,690
And there's also just a menu option in the TUI to just do a cleanup because
596
00:36:05,690 --> 00:36:09,710
from time to time, it's going to generate temporary files to stage them for
597
00:36:09,710 --> 00:36:12,750
the Blu-ray because I've experimented with a couple of different ways.
598
00:36:14,490 --> 00:36:19,410
So I bought myself a 10-pack of Blu-rays thinking I was going to use that 10-pack to back up my data.
599
00:36:19,650 --> 00:36:24,110
No, no. I used that 10-pack to do test after test after test with this app.
600
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:25,910
I blew through an entire 10-pack of Blu-rays.
601
00:36:26,290 --> 00:36:28,710
So I haven't completely tested the multi-dysfunctionality.
602
00:36:29,050 --> 00:36:30,570
But it does dry runs, you said.
603
00:36:30,850 --> 00:36:33,730
Yeah, so we'll do dry runs. But, of course, to fully test, I need to burn.
604
00:36:35,290 --> 00:36:38,290
Yeah, and it will do some testing to make sure everything's working.
605
00:36:38,330 --> 00:36:41,530
And if it looks like it won't work, it'll try to warn you.
606
00:36:41,610 --> 00:36:44,250
And if you have any missing dependencies because of a couple apps you have to
607
00:36:44,250 --> 00:36:45,730
install, it'll attempt to warn you.
608
00:36:46,450 --> 00:36:52,850
But, yeah, it was an interesting endeavor. And I think my end goal has been
609
00:36:52,850 --> 00:36:56,830
accomplished in that I could either plug the drive into my NAS,
610
00:36:57,370 --> 00:37:02,430
my, you know, my Odroid, or I could plug it into my workstation and I can run this in either space.
611
00:37:03,530 --> 00:37:06,230
And you just sort of set it and forget it. And when you go to the multi-disc
612
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:09,570
mode, it'll just go through the work, and it'll pop the disc out when it's ready
613
00:37:09,570 --> 00:37:11,850
for the next one, tell you what to label it, you pop the next disc in,
614
00:37:11,890 --> 00:37:15,170
and it'll start continuing the archive. And I just write it across the disc.
615
00:37:15,250 --> 00:37:20,990
I got a preview of the single-disc mode, so I've been playing with that one.
616
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:24,750
I have not yet tried multi-disc, because you only just put it in last night.
617
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:27,670
I have no idea if it would even build on your machine. Yeah,
618
00:37:28,210 --> 00:37:33,810
because not only that, but there's a lot of UI updates I did too, So it's like, we'll see.
619
00:37:33,950 --> 00:37:36,650
But I would love some help with it because I think, you know,
620
00:37:36,670 --> 00:37:40,710
there's a couple of little nagly bugs, but the basic functionality is there. It's GPL2.
621
00:37:41,690 --> 00:37:44,810
It's really easy to pick up everything, super documented, the architecture,
622
00:37:45,130 --> 00:37:47,570
the commit, the development, the directory structure.
623
00:37:47,970 --> 00:37:52,410
Everything is there. So you could just sort of pick up and keep running with it if you would like.
624
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:55,590
I saw you submitted a pull request.
625
00:37:55,690 --> 00:37:59,850
I did, yeah. So it turns out that you mentioned kind of what it looks like,
626
00:37:59,890 --> 00:38:02,830
but you have added a theming system.
627
00:38:04,726 --> 00:38:06,986
So I thought I'd add a new theme for you.
628
00:38:08,106 --> 00:38:11,286
You told me to wait for the show. A hot dog theme.
629
00:38:11,346 --> 00:38:12,166
Hot dog theme.
630
00:38:12,446 --> 00:38:12,806
Yes.
631
00:38:13,746 --> 00:38:16,486
Classic Windows 3.1 hot dog stand.
632
00:38:16,626 --> 00:38:19,766
I do like the, you know, I kind of like it. I do like it.
633
00:38:20,066 --> 00:38:23,426
Yeah, well, because I kind of decided to lean into the 80s retro theme,
634
00:38:23,546 --> 00:38:25,806
but then I thought some people might find that really obnoxious.
635
00:38:25,906 --> 00:38:28,806
So you can actually override it at runtime, or there's a little config file,
636
00:38:28,946 --> 00:38:32,166
too, where you can set the theme. That's way more obnoxious than mine.
637
00:38:32,166 --> 00:38:36,066
And I love it. So, well, it's serious business when you're doing your backups,
638
00:38:36,226 --> 00:38:39,906
right? So, like, you want it to be bright with warning and emergencies.
639
00:38:40,086 --> 00:38:41,906
I just got a, last night I got a warning from us. Like, hey,
640
00:38:41,926 --> 00:38:46,326
I made a PR, but don't look at it or merge it until the show.
641
00:38:48,566 --> 00:38:53,146
And also, if there is about the 80s, maybe they're, like, really big into Hulkamania. That's perfect.
642
00:38:53,346 --> 00:38:57,446
Oh, yeah, it does. It is the Hulk colors. You're right. I never really connected those two things.
643
00:38:57,746 --> 00:39:01,766
Yeah, so Blu-ray is in the 90s, right? But the optical storage is very much a retro thing.
644
00:39:01,766 --> 00:39:08,386
And I will full-on admit I got a little tinge of delightful nostalgia the first
645
00:39:08,386 --> 00:39:12,186
time I took the wrapper off the spindle, opened up the spindle,
646
00:39:12,226 --> 00:39:13,906
pulled the Blu-ray off, and put it in the drive.
647
00:39:13,906 --> 00:39:16,986
And I held it there in my hand, and I'm like, this is actually fun.
648
00:39:17,106 --> 00:39:18,966
You just had spindles around all the time.
649
00:39:19,086 --> 00:39:19,246
Yeah.
650
00:39:21,041 --> 00:39:23,761
It's ours it's it's kind of like the the idea of like
651
00:39:23,761 --> 00:39:26,801
you know the the style of these optical
652
00:39:26,801 --> 00:39:29,881
drives you know it's it seems antiquated but
653
00:39:29,881 --> 00:39:33,241
at the same time there are still massive uses
654
00:39:33,241 --> 00:39:36,841
for it like really good uses and if you get like the the mdisc
655
00:39:36,841 --> 00:39:39,761
type of stuff where they claim to have like a thousand
656
00:39:39,761 --> 00:39:46,721
years of longevity uh the like it is a legitimate solution for storage of data
657
00:39:46,721 --> 00:39:52,521
and uh Especially if it's data that you're storing for the sake of like I might
658
00:39:52,521 --> 00:39:58,201
– like movies or TV shows or that kind of media where you don't need access to it at all times.
659
00:39:58,421 --> 00:40:04,621
The solution through these kinds of disks is actually like probably even better
660
00:40:04,621 --> 00:40:08,241
because you're not wasting really quick access stuff.
661
00:40:08,421 --> 00:40:12,181
And so now I've actually thought about this like a couple years ago,
662
00:40:12,181 --> 00:40:16,101
and now you've convinced me that I want to actually implement this.
663
00:40:16,101 --> 00:40:20,001
And you know like a jewel case a little blu-ray jewel case doesn't take up a lot of room i.
664
00:40:20,001 --> 00:40:22,301
Was gonna ask are you gonna do that are you gonna like.
665
00:40:22,301 --> 00:40:25,501
Or do like a like a like you could get covers or do they.
666
00:40:25,501 --> 00:40:28,421
Still make those discs where you could like draw images on the top.
667
00:40:28,421 --> 00:40:33,081
These ones do that like with the inkjet like template thing which is so cool
668
00:40:33,081 --> 00:40:39,661
oh man yeah um so blue vault is available at github.com slash chris lass slash
669
00:40:39,661 --> 00:40:43,161
blue dash vault it is vibe coded warning i.
670
00:40:43,161 --> 00:40:45,481
Did I don't think you can type R in.
671
00:40:45,881 --> 00:40:46,701
Yes, I fixed that.
672
00:40:46,841 --> 00:40:47,181
Oh, great.
673
00:40:47,301 --> 00:40:52,381
Yeah, yeah. R or, there was like Q. I don't think it was R or Q,
674
00:40:52,421 --> 00:40:55,121
because they were grabbed by the UI for other.
675
00:40:55,121 --> 00:40:55,761
I figured it must have.
676
00:40:55,861 --> 00:40:58,601
Yeah. I was like, oh yeah, right, of course. You know, that's,
677
00:40:58,741 --> 00:41:01,361
so this has been an interesting experience for me is,
678
00:41:02,264 --> 00:41:06,244
What I really, and I totally if I'm wrong, Wes, but what I really got away from this,
679
00:41:06,464 --> 00:41:10,444
what I took away from this experience is I got the core functionality working
680
00:41:10,444 --> 00:41:15,584
in about 45 minutes and the UI and the edge cases and all the little things
681
00:41:15,584 --> 00:41:18,964
like you can't type R here is what took me six to seven hours.
682
00:41:19,344 --> 00:41:23,844
Yep. Which totally checks out. You get the happy path done, right?
683
00:41:23,924 --> 00:41:26,564
You're like, oh, okay, yes, this was, I connected the core pieces of what I
684
00:41:26,564 --> 00:41:28,564
needed together, got it to do it.
685
00:41:28,664 --> 00:41:28,784
Yeah.
686
00:41:28,784 --> 00:41:31,384
And then you realize that there's a whole bunch of ways that you have to,
687
00:41:31,384 --> 00:41:35,784
like, micro-adjust to make sure that that actually is smooth and usable by a human.
688
00:41:36,544 --> 00:41:40,704
I mean, six hours is still pretty fast in considering what this is, you know?
689
00:41:40,824 --> 00:41:43,764
Yeah, well, you know, a lot of the heavy lifting's been just tools underneath
690
00:41:43,764 --> 00:41:46,344
that have been around on Linux forever. So I got lucky that way,
691
00:41:46,404 --> 00:41:47,104
right? I'm just using it.
692
00:41:47,304 --> 00:41:51,044
You don't have to build something to burn the disk. You just have to make sure you assemble the files.
693
00:41:51,224 --> 00:41:51,904
Right. Yeah, yeah.
694
00:41:52,344 --> 00:41:53,824
I have some real-world questions.
695
00:41:54,264 --> 00:41:54,504
Okay.
696
00:41:54,604 --> 00:41:59,844
How long does it take you to burn a 50-gig disk? And how long does it take you to retrieve said disk?
697
00:42:00,484 --> 00:42:04,364
So it's slower than I remember, I'll be honest with you. I expected it to be slow.
698
00:42:04,544 --> 00:42:08,224
I mean, and this isn't like the fastest drive either. It's a $50 external tiny
699
00:42:08,224 --> 00:42:10,264
thin USB drive, so they probably have faster ones.
700
00:42:11,324 --> 00:42:18,144
About 30 minutes, 35 minutes to burn a full disk, but I don't really often burn a full disk.
701
00:42:18,984 --> 00:42:22,164
So if you're doing about a half a disk, it's about 15 minutes.
702
00:42:22,164 --> 00:42:27,404
And then restoring, you restore at anywhere between 2 megabytes a second to
703
00:42:27,404 --> 00:42:29,904
30 megabytes a second, depending on where it is on the disk,
704
00:42:30,024 --> 00:42:31,004
how long the disk has been reading.
705
00:42:31,344 --> 00:42:33,384
It's one of those things where it's, I don't know if you guys remember this,
706
00:42:33,424 --> 00:42:37,124
but it starts faster and then it kind of slows down over time a little bit.
707
00:42:38,324 --> 00:42:41,424
And that's true, you'll notice with the burn, because I do try to show as best
708
00:42:41,424 --> 00:42:43,144
as I can your transfer rate in the UI.
709
00:42:43,404 --> 00:42:46,924
And so you'll see it'll start pretty solid. And then it sort of trickles down.
710
00:42:48,104 --> 00:42:51,844
I guess maybe as it goes wider and wider out on the disk, perhaps is what it is.
711
00:42:51,844 --> 00:42:52,744
It's physics, yeah.
712
00:42:52,964 --> 00:42:57,144
Yeah. But going through this has been an interesting, like reconnecting with
713
00:42:57,144 --> 00:43:02,204
physical media, thinking about documents and media that maybe I don't even need this year.
714
00:43:02,544 --> 00:43:04,524
And if I can buy from Newegg.
715
00:43:05,444 --> 00:43:09,504
You know, at three cents a gigabyte, that's probably better than any storage I can get.
716
00:43:09,584 --> 00:43:15,484
And then I could take some stuff off my existing network storage and maybe squeak through the year.
717
00:43:17,644 --> 00:43:18,384
What are you know.
718
00:43:18,484 --> 00:43:19,304
What are your request?
719
00:43:19,744 --> 00:43:23,464
OK, yeah. Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God.
720
00:43:24,324 --> 00:43:24,664
Yeah.
721
00:43:24,684 --> 00:43:26,024
Have you tried it yet? Have you tried it?
722
00:43:26,624 --> 00:43:27,084
I'm not yet.
723
00:43:27,084 --> 00:43:28,544
I got to get this in your hand so you can break it.
724
00:43:29,144 --> 00:43:32,844
But I have past experience that makes me imagine that feature request.
725
00:43:32,844 --> 00:43:36,124
and are you taking audio feature requests at this time?
726
00:43:36,804 --> 00:43:40,864
Audio? Oh, I mean, you're submitting it via audio instead of a P. Okay, yeah, go ahead.
727
00:43:43,244 --> 00:43:48,504
I just wondered, since, you know, you just admitted that burning disks takes
728
00:43:48,504 --> 00:43:51,364
a little longer than transferring to hard drives, but that's okay,
729
00:43:51,524 --> 00:43:52,904
that's okay. This is long-term media.
730
00:43:53,204 --> 00:44:03,244
So does Blue Vault have the ability to manage multiple burn devices to do the burning?
731
00:44:03,744 --> 00:44:05,844
Oh, that's a great idea.
732
00:44:05,844 --> 00:44:08,544
You could stack up five of these or something and just let them go.
733
00:44:08,884 --> 00:44:12,684
Maybe like once a month you pick one up for the first three months of the year or something.
734
00:44:13,004 --> 00:44:13,544
Multiplex it.
735
00:44:14,304 --> 00:44:18,464
And then after the multi-disc, you have like five of these machines doing the
736
00:44:18,464 --> 00:44:19,244
burning to the multi-disc.
737
00:44:19,284 --> 00:44:23,084
So it's technically only to take the whole process of one.
738
00:44:24,511 --> 00:44:26,411
That is a fascinating idea.
739
00:44:26,771 --> 00:44:27,351
You're welcome.
740
00:44:28,731 --> 00:44:32,431
You need some serious USB bus power. Because these things, one of the things
741
00:44:32,431 --> 00:44:36,991
I've noticed is if you don't have a dedicated powered USB hub,
742
00:44:37,171 --> 00:44:38,791
your built-in port might not be enough.
743
00:44:39,031 --> 00:44:42,231
And so the burn will fail in Blue Vault, not because of Blue Vault,
744
00:44:42,311 --> 00:44:43,891
but because the disk doesn't have enough juice.
745
00:44:44,271 --> 00:44:47,751
So I had to plug it into an externally powered hub in order to get enough juice.
746
00:44:47,971 --> 00:44:48,671
So it was a laser.
747
00:44:49,091 --> 00:44:51,151
Three, four disks when you figured that one out?
748
00:44:51,171 --> 00:44:56,811
It was two disks. yeah i i ended up like getting real learning real quick some
749
00:44:56,811 --> 00:44:59,931
of the syntax to like just read if there's a file system at all on the disc
750
00:44:59,931 --> 00:45:04,311
because if there's a file system at all you can't burn to it in for bdrs at least so.
751
00:45:04,311 --> 00:45:10,131
So does it burn to the like the data as is or does it have like a way for let's
752
00:45:10,131 --> 00:45:15,191
say you're burning some kind of movie or tv show if it's like playable in a blu-ray player.
753
00:45:15,191 --> 00:45:19,991
No no it's only it's only meant for like being able to the the guiding principle
754
00:45:19,991 --> 00:45:23,171
was you could put it like on another Linux box in 10 years and just drag the files off.
755
00:45:23,491 --> 00:45:23,811
Gotcha.
756
00:45:23,891 --> 00:45:26,291
Cause I don't actually, I don't really have anything anymore.
757
00:45:26,531 --> 00:45:30,591
I, if you wanted to play the movie, you would be doing that and then dragging
758
00:45:30,591 --> 00:45:31,811
it into jellyfin anyway.
759
00:45:32,031 --> 00:45:32,151
Yeah.
760
00:45:32,791 --> 00:45:36,051
Yeah. I feel like, I feel like if you're just trying to see how,
761
00:45:36,231 --> 00:45:40,071
how far you're going down the optical media path, you know?
762
00:45:40,291 --> 00:45:42,871
Well, I started thinking of, I'm like, this is, you know, how bad would it be
763
00:45:42,871 --> 00:45:45,451
to just have one of these on the TV and just put, that's not that bad.
764
00:45:45,631 --> 00:45:46,631
You know, I started thinking about that.
765
00:45:47,071 --> 00:45:50,991
I think the other thing that'd be kind of a neat feature for this would be to
766
00:45:50,991 --> 00:45:54,271
just have it also manage archives to disk.
767
00:45:54,431 --> 00:45:56,891
Like if you had a bunch of like, you know, old disks sitting around,
768
00:45:57,011 --> 00:45:59,651
although I don't know if I would trust those as much for long-term storage,
769
00:45:59,811 --> 00:46:03,591
but maybe to get you through the year, because it's still nice to have it organize
770
00:46:03,591 --> 00:46:07,071
the file system and track in the database what disk it's on and all of that.
771
00:46:07,391 --> 00:46:10,691
So that's another thing I was thinking about is like a larger storage or,
772
00:46:10,851 --> 00:46:13,251
you know, you could go to a network mount or something like that.
773
00:46:14,712 --> 00:46:15,772
So the multi-disc is new.
774
00:46:16,652 --> 00:46:21,372
What would be interesting is if it had a way of, like, suppose it would,
775
00:46:21,552 --> 00:46:23,052
would it win multi-disc mode?
776
00:46:23,192 --> 00:46:25,852
Could you do recursively for, like, a whole folder path?
777
00:46:26,072 --> 00:46:26,392
Yeah.
778
00:46:26,852 --> 00:46:32,192
So you could, like, sort of have it, say, back up a system onto a couple of discs if you needed to.
779
00:46:32,252 --> 00:46:33,312
You could, yeah. I mean, it just...
780
00:46:33,312 --> 00:46:36,012
And then just, like, have it run and piecemeal it all back together.
781
00:46:36,192 --> 00:46:39,152
So when you start it, you know, you tell what mode you want to go in and you
782
00:46:39,152 --> 00:46:40,072
give yourself some notes.
783
00:46:40,072 --> 00:46:43,892
And then one of the second to final screens is there is,
784
00:46:43,892 --> 00:46:46,912
you can manually enter a path or there's
785
00:46:46,912 --> 00:46:50,192
a file browser you can tab down to and you can browse and whatever
786
00:46:50,192 --> 00:46:52,952
top level you capture it'll back up everything underneath that
787
00:46:52,952 --> 00:46:56,432
top level okay so you can do your home directory too or whatever yeah and
788
00:46:56,432 --> 00:46:59,452
i actually was thinking that is what i'm going to do is i'm going to do one
789
00:46:59,452 --> 00:47:03,112
for my paperless you know and all that and just put it on a shelf maybe once
790
00:47:03,112 --> 00:47:06,312
a quarter once a year something like that and if something goes wrong i'll at
791
00:47:06,312 --> 00:47:10,352
least have that hard copy that i can refer to um and you know if it's in a standard
792
00:47:10,352 --> 00:47:13,492
file system format then it'd be possible that if I want to recover that,
793
00:47:13,592 --> 00:47:16,592
say I want some document for some reason, God forbid,
794
00:47:17,332 --> 00:47:20,352
I don't need to restore all of it into paperless. Maybe I just go get that one file.
795
00:47:20,492 --> 00:47:20,652
Sure.
796
00:47:21,452 --> 00:47:25,672
That's why I like having it, even though you will sometimes have a Blu-ray where
797
00:47:25,672 --> 00:47:29,592
you didn't use all the space, maybe as efficiently, I think it's worth it.
798
00:47:29,772 --> 00:47:32,892
Yeah, I think this is a really interesting idea, and I also think it's kind
799
00:47:32,892 --> 00:47:37,852
of hilarious that it's vibe-coded because that means AI caused the problem and solved the problem.
800
00:47:38,572 --> 00:47:39,572
That's a great point.
801
00:47:41,332 --> 00:47:41,532
Oh, man.
802
00:47:45,431 --> 00:47:49,011
There is no sponsor for this segment, but we do have our great members and,
803
00:47:49,111 --> 00:47:49,791
of course, our boosters.
804
00:47:49,971 --> 00:47:53,091
So I just want to take a moment and thank them because at the beginning of the
805
00:47:53,091 --> 00:47:56,111
year, you know, we're sorting out the deals. It can take a little while,
806
00:47:56,111 --> 00:48:01,531
and there are periods that if we didn't have the support of our members, we wouldn't have a show.
807
00:48:02,131 --> 00:48:05,571
And so I'm very grateful. And if you haven't signed up yet, I do still have
808
00:48:05,571 --> 00:48:07,691
the bootleg promo code. That's a fantastic deal.
809
00:48:07,831 --> 00:48:11,591
It's so good I don't say the price on air. But it gets you access to Linux Unplugged's
810
00:48:11,591 --> 00:48:16,171
bootleg feed and the no-ads feed you get to pick, as well as the launch bootleg
811
00:48:16,171 --> 00:48:20,231
feed, which much like this has extra content that just doesn't make it in the main show.
812
00:48:20,391 --> 00:48:22,411
And there's always a little additional context in there, too.
813
00:48:22,571 --> 00:48:25,811
So thank you, everybody, who supports us with a boost or with membership,
814
00:48:25,811 --> 00:48:28,111
because right now you make the show possible.
815
00:48:28,171 --> 00:48:31,591
We really do appreciate it. Thank you very much. And on with the show, gentlemen.
816
00:48:35,291 --> 00:48:40,991
I'll see a little bag of boosts here and we're gonna start off with our baller the dude abides,
817
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:51,460
Now the Dutabide sent in a row of McDucks here. 22,222 sets.
818
00:48:55,100 --> 00:48:58,900
Stop suggesting awesome projects. I'm running out of resources.
819
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,420
Metalurk X seems promising. I have seen it mentioned a couple times out in the
820
00:49:04,420 --> 00:49:06,680
wild, but didn't bother deploying it.
821
00:49:06,820 --> 00:49:09,820
And now because of Linux Unplugged, I have to try it.
822
00:49:10,140 --> 00:49:13,320
All right, the dude. You know, I think you'd be pleasantly surprised.
823
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:18,740
you could set it up and let it just run for a week and then come back to it
824
00:49:18,740 --> 00:49:21,560
and when you got time to tinker with it because let it run and discover.
825
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:27,740
I was over the last couple of days realizing that, so I've got these stupid
826
00:49:27,740 --> 00:49:30,000
mesh APs. It's great, whatever.
827
00:49:31,340 --> 00:49:37,980
But IoT devices in particular are so dumb and they will really lock into one particular AP.
828
00:49:38,300 --> 00:49:42,440
The decision in a mesh AP network happens on the client side And if the client
829
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,920
side isn't willing to move nodes, it won't.
830
00:49:46,020 --> 00:49:50,840
And so if the stupid IoT device that's way far away from the AP decides to connect
831
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:55,000
to that AP, you basically have to take the mesh nodes offline and make things
832
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,260
forcibly readjust mess.
833
00:49:57,780 --> 00:50:02,320
So I was dealing with that. And it was really interesting to watch NetAlertX kind of catch up.
834
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,160
Oh, this has moved over here. Oh, this device has changed over here. Oh, yeah, right.
835
00:50:06,540 --> 00:50:10,040
Good job, NetAlertX. You nailed it. So it's worth it. And you can just let it
836
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,620
run for a bit. and then come back around to it.
837
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:20,460
Well, Adversary 17 comes in with a Spaceballs boost. That, of course, is 12,345 sats.
838
00:50:25,624 --> 00:50:29,544
Adversary says, I have a lot of similar ability for monitoring within my Unify
839
00:50:29,544 --> 00:50:33,164
dream machine, but I still might set this up. Good find, Mr. Fisher.
840
00:50:33,524 --> 00:50:35,524
Hey, I think what you just said also works for this.
841
00:50:35,844 --> 00:50:40,764
You know, yeah. I would love to hear more feedback on the Unify stuff if our
842
00:50:40,764 --> 00:50:42,484
audience likes the Unify stuff.
843
00:50:42,804 --> 00:50:45,584
I don't know how much it can pull in, but it did seem like they had a plug-in
844
00:50:45,584 --> 00:50:49,124
that could also, like if you ended up wanting the Unify data in NetAlert.
845
00:50:49,544 --> 00:50:50,664
Peanut butter and jelly, West Payne.
846
00:50:50,864 --> 00:50:56,004
Mm-hmm. Ooh, our buddy, our pal Gene Bean comes in with the RoboDucks.
847
00:50:57,984 --> 00:51:02,784
In response to Olympia Mike and the Nixbook project and the licensing question,
848
00:51:02,964 --> 00:51:04,784
Gene makes a great point, which we should have mentioned.
849
00:51:05,264 --> 00:51:09,424
Keep in mind that if you have contributors and don't also use a CLA or contributor
850
00:51:09,424 --> 00:51:13,784
license agreement from day one, you can't change the license of the existing
851
00:51:13,784 --> 00:51:16,744
code later without sign-off from all prior contributors.
852
00:51:17,004 --> 00:51:20,784
Gene Bean saying go for the CLA? Something to think about. He's right.
853
00:51:20,784 --> 00:51:24,144
And it's also just worthwhile, you know, thinking about the licensing kind of
854
00:51:24,144 --> 00:51:25,784
early on and up front is worthwhile.
855
00:51:26,604 --> 00:51:28,484
Yeah, I agree. It is definitely a good point. Thank you, Gene.
856
00:51:29,044 --> 00:51:31,844
Yeah, and not having a license. And some people don't, like,
857
00:51:31,864 --> 00:51:36,464
create a project and don't put a license at all. And that just causes massive craziness.
858
00:51:36,664 --> 00:51:39,344
That's, I think, kind of where he's at. He's getting popular enough now where
859
00:51:39,344 --> 00:51:42,504
it's like people are asking rather consistently, what's the license here?
860
00:51:42,784 --> 00:51:43,784
So they know how to proceed.
861
00:51:44,824 --> 00:51:46,204
So, Mike, let us know what you end up doing.
862
00:51:46,744 --> 00:51:51,924
Well, Odyssey, Westra boosted in a couple boosts here for a total of 6,000. 206 Satoshis.
863
00:51:55,044 --> 00:51:57,324
It turns out they all say Happy New Year.
864
00:51:57,644 --> 00:51:58,644
Happy New Year!
865
00:51:58,904 --> 00:51:59,424
Happy New Year!
866
00:51:59,484 --> 00:52:00,124
Happy New Year!
867
00:52:01,044 --> 00:52:02,424
The year of the Linux desktop.
868
00:52:02,604 --> 00:52:08,924
Thank you, Odyssey. Nice to hear from you. Pegdots here with 6,666 sats.
869
00:52:11,687 --> 00:52:14,307
Well, I'm guessing that Brent doesn't work for Nextcloud anymore.
870
00:52:14,307 --> 00:52:17,487
So what's he doing now? Is he a traveling salesman in his bang bus?
871
00:52:17,707 --> 00:52:22,227
As a JB member, I'd be interested to know how much financial value added is
872
00:52:22,227 --> 00:52:25,327
compared to the boost in streaming. Oh, these are – okay. So we've got two questions here, three questions.
873
00:52:25,467 --> 00:52:28,047
I know that the functions like Bitcoin value fluctuate.
874
00:52:28,567 --> 00:52:31,727
Difficult to put in numbers but interested in a rough idea. So think of it –
875
00:52:31,727 --> 00:52:33,227
okay. So I'll answer that one first.
876
00:52:33,447 --> 00:52:36,827
So this week where we have – And I think what.
877
00:52:36,827 --> 00:52:40,787
The question was, how does boosting and streaming compare to memberships in
878
00:52:40,787 --> 00:52:42,587
terms of supporting the show or something like that?
879
00:52:42,867 --> 00:52:46,107
Yeah, I think on average, there's still we still probably get significantly
880
00:52:46,107 --> 00:52:48,527
more support through the membership mechanism on average.
881
00:52:49,007 --> 00:52:52,267
And so the way we can that and the thing about that is that's we look at as,
882
00:52:52,327 --> 00:52:53,767
OK, that's the revenue we can plan on.
883
00:52:54,107 --> 00:52:55,227
Kind of a consistent baseline.
884
00:52:55,607 --> 00:52:59,007
And then the boost is like, OK, that's like when, you know, you get a bonus,
885
00:52:59,107 --> 00:53:01,907
you did a lot, you did good, you did. And that's like the extra stuff that goes
886
00:53:01,907 --> 00:53:05,407
directly to all of us because the show through the memberships is,
887
00:53:05,487 --> 00:53:06,687
you know, it's barely paying the bills.
888
00:53:07,027 --> 00:53:10,027
And so it's not really equivalent.
889
00:53:10,227 --> 00:53:12,587
One sort of serves one function and one serves. And we're very,
890
00:53:12,727 --> 00:53:16,147
very lucky it worked out that way because really since COVID,
891
00:53:16,527 --> 00:53:17,827
the ad market has just been destroyed.
892
00:53:17,827 --> 00:53:20,727
But really in the last few years, it's perhaps turning around,
893
00:53:20,907 --> 00:53:22,007
but it's still very slow.
894
00:53:22,007 --> 00:53:27,187
And one thing that I think is very true is as the podcast market has grown,
895
00:53:27,467 --> 00:53:31,527
the sponsors are looking at different types of shows and different demographics
896
00:53:31,527 --> 00:53:34,367
than they were a few years ago when we were sort of in our heyday of,
897
00:53:34,447 --> 00:53:35,647
you know, every spot was sold out.
898
00:53:36,387 --> 00:53:42,547
And it's just how it goes is, you know, a podcast today is just a much different beast.
899
00:53:42,707 --> 00:53:44,907
Usually has a celebrity name attached to it if it's very successful.
900
00:53:45,167 --> 00:53:48,227
Yeah. The ecosystem around it has changed. The ecosystem within has changed.
901
00:53:48,327 --> 00:53:48,427
Yeah.
902
00:53:48,747 --> 00:53:51,247
Who people and what they're marketing towards has changed.
903
00:53:51,247 --> 00:53:56,067
Yeah. And so for us, it's like the two things are very symbiotic and used differently.
904
00:53:56,387 --> 00:53:59,367
We really do appreciate both the support. And I know it's, you know,
905
00:53:59,447 --> 00:54:03,127
it's the thing is, it's like, it's like I've kind of made the equivalent seat with Linux magazines.
906
00:54:03,267 --> 00:54:05,467
It's like, it's a very niche thing. There's a core audience that loves it.
907
00:54:06,688 --> 00:54:11,728
The fundamental economic model might not actually be viable with the direct
908
00:54:11,728 --> 00:54:14,528
commercial market because the
909
00:54:14,528 --> 00:54:18,108
scale of advertising on the internet now requires essentially millions.
910
00:54:18,308 --> 00:54:22,948
And so it's where these kinds of direct audience supported things really make
911
00:54:22,948 --> 00:54:26,988
a difference because it's then made possible by the very niche that's interested in it.
912
00:54:27,068 --> 00:54:30,008
And I don't think like the Linux magazines could have survived without something.
913
00:54:30,088 --> 00:54:31,208
They didn't have anything like that.
914
00:54:31,488 --> 00:54:34,128
And so, you know, they went the way of the dinosaur for the most part.
915
00:54:34,408 --> 00:54:38,068
Good question. Oh, and then, Brentley, do you have any comment on the NextCloud stuff?
916
00:54:39,008 --> 00:54:42,648
Besides being a full-time JBer, I'm sure you do other things as well.
917
00:54:43,708 --> 00:54:46,588
Yeah, I would say good guess on the NextCloud part. I haven't been a NextClouder
918
00:54:46,588 --> 00:54:49,928
since about, I don't know, May of last year and have been basically,
919
00:54:49,928 --> 00:54:52,448
what would you call it, Chris, vagabonding
920
00:54:52,448 --> 00:54:55,288
since then, doing a bunch of JB projects there for a long time.
921
00:54:55,348 --> 00:54:58,528
We rescued, I don't know if you heard about it, rescued this crazy van that's
922
00:54:58,528 --> 00:55:01,348
still giving me projects on a daily basis, it seems.
923
00:55:01,348 --> 00:55:02,488
Yeah, you're kind of restoring that.
924
00:55:02,488 --> 00:55:04,308
You know something else we don't talk about with you, Brent,
925
00:55:04,448 --> 00:55:07,628
too, is you are a very handy guy, Brent.
926
00:55:08,148 --> 00:55:10,888
Like, if Brent needs to work for a couple of days, you know,
927
00:55:10,948 --> 00:55:13,688
there's friends and family that have projects where they need somebody who can
928
00:55:13,688 --> 00:55:15,768
go on site and do a lot of really good work with their hands,
929
00:55:15,868 --> 00:55:16,568
like good, intricate work.
930
00:55:17,517 --> 00:55:20,537
masonry type work i don't know is that what it's called what is it called that kind of work.
931
00:55:20,537 --> 00:55:24,237
Uh like i don't know general construction work i'm kind of a generalist i would
932
00:55:24,237 --> 00:55:29,117
say but you're a fancy experience and i have high standards that most people
933
00:55:29,117 --> 00:55:32,017
don't have i guess right yeah i.
934
00:55:32,017 --> 00:55:33,257
Think that's the word i was looking for.
935
00:55:33,257 --> 00:55:37,957
Basically just yesterday i was doing that like uh i had an uncle near here who
936
00:55:37,957 --> 00:55:41,337
was like hey i need some electrical work done but i don't know what i'm doing
937
00:55:41,337 --> 00:55:44,817
and last time i did it i really screwed it up so can you come over and fix all
938
00:55:44,817 --> 00:55:47,677
my mistakes that i've done for the last decade, and so we did that.
939
00:55:47,737 --> 00:55:48,757
And it worked out really well.
940
00:55:48,757 --> 00:55:50,117
And then that was when you come over to my place.
941
00:55:50,277 --> 00:55:53,997
The other thing you have to know is Brent has a hard time saying no to those kind of requests.
942
00:55:54,017 --> 00:55:54,857
That's true, too. Yeah.
943
00:55:55,137 --> 00:55:56,997
Because he's a kind and generous person.
944
00:55:57,517 --> 00:56:03,457
Basically, I've been chasing, like, hanging out with people I love and chasing
945
00:56:03,457 --> 00:56:05,977
happiness instead of financial stuff.
946
00:56:06,417 --> 00:56:10,537
That leaves, you know, my bank account sad, but my soul quite happy.
947
00:56:11,097 --> 00:56:15,157
He's saying hanging out with people he loves, but he's on the opposite coast. I don't understand.
948
00:56:15,157 --> 00:56:17,417
Sharing my time with people I love.
949
00:56:17,817 --> 00:56:22,537
Message received on that one. All right. All right. Wes, you want to take Mr. Facial Hair?
950
00:56:22,537 --> 00:56:25,837
Yes. The facial hair comes in with 6,000 sats.
951
00:56:27,210 --> 00:56:31,030
I wanted to shine some light on an area where open source and Linux are doing
952
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:33,790
quite well. And it's tabletop gaming.
953
00:56:34,110 --> 00:56:34,270
Really?
954
00:56:34,410 --> 00:56:37,590
For example, the D&D game I run uses Nextcloud for content hosting,
955
00:56:38,030 --> 00:56:42,630
Foundry VTT for our virtual table, and self-hosted Jitsi for player comms.
956
00:56:42,890 --> 00:56:46,510
Just wanted to get your thoughts on this and see if you all had any fun D&D stories.
957
00:56:47,110 --> 00:56:51,630
Facial hair, why do you suppose this is? What has attributed this phenomenon?
958
00:56:51,890 --> 00:56:53,090
And how can we replicate it?
959
00:56:53,650 --> 00:56:54,950
Thank you for the report.
960
00:56:55,070 --> 00:56:55,510
That's great.
961
00:56:55,510 --> 00:57:00,030
I mean, there's a lot of great tools, and you need to accomplish a certain set
962
00:57:00,030 --> 00:57:02,730
of things to have a good game going. Why not solve them with open source?
963
00:57:02,950 --> 00:57:04,030
You ever play any D&D?
964
00:57:04,170 --> 00:57:07,530
Yeah, I like D&D. It's been a while, but I've played many.
965
00:57:07,710 --> 00:57:12,350
I mean, never super consistent, but I've had many fun D&D experiences over the years.
966
00:57:12,450 --> 00:57:13,450
Michael, you ever do any D&D?
967
00:57:13,730 --> 00:57:15,250
I've never played D&D. No.
968
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:16,610
Brent, what about you?
969
00:57:16,790 --> 00:57:21,210
I have never participated. However, I have watched a lot of famous people play
970
00:57:21,210 --> 00:57:25,590
in the last couple months. and have been invited several times,
971
00:57:25,630 --> 00:57:29,930
but I feel unprepared, let's say. Daunted.
972
00:57:30,490 --> 00:57:33,390
Well, I mean, I hope they're not inviting you to be the DM.
973
00:57:33,850 --> 00:57:38,790
No, no, no, by far not. However, I still feel a way out of my league.
974
00:57:39,319 --> 00:57:43,539
I feel like this is an opportunity that we could do a collab of like doing like,
975
00:57:43,539 --> 00:57:46,539
you know, first timers doing D&D.
976
00:57:46,839 --> 00:57:50,359
Like pair up first timer with a pro or something. I want to learn enough where
977
00:57:50,359 --> 00:57:53,059
I could just do like commentary on the streams like, oh, he moves over here
978
00:57:53,059 --> 00:57:54,639
and does this. You know, I don't know.
979
00:57:54,779 --> 00:57:57,739
I don't know if it's more golf or if it's more wrestling for D&D, but.
980
00:57:59,179 --> 00:58:01,239
I think it's more. I think it's more golf, maybe.
981
00:58:01,919 --> 00:58:02,399
Yeah, I think so.
982
00:58:02,719 --> 00:58:05,519
They have their own dialogue, so you don't want to interact too much.
983
00:58:05,519 --> 00:58:10,879
but there's actually a few like i haven't done like play dnd but i've seen like
984
00:58:10,879 --> 00:58:15,819
random videos of people playing dnd because there's a couple uh shows that are
985
00:58:15,819 --> 00:58:20,619
on youtube where it's just like a bunch of comedians playing dnd and that's
986
00:58:20,619 --> 00:58:21,939
that's entertaining stuff yeah for sure.
987
00:58:21,939 --> 00:58:24,639
What's fun too right is they have like all kinds of different types of
988
00:58:24,639 --> 00:58:27,639
games at this point so one of the first ones i did was actually a star wars themed
989
00:58:27,639 --> 00:58:30,439
one that a roommate ran and uh it's kind of a new roommate
990
00:58:30,439 --> 00:58:35,019
and i i came home and another uh roommate was working at a donut shop and so
991
00:58:35,019 --> 00:58:38,719
they had all these like you know like end of the day donuts like they'd pushed
992
00:58:38,719 --> 00:58:42,099
um some of the like taking a table out of a room and pushed it in with the main
993
00:58:42,099 --> 00:58:47,139
kitchen table and the center was filled with donuts and i was like coming home
994
00:58:47,139 --> 00:58:48,659
and i was like what is happening.
995
00:58:48,659 --> 00:58:49,599
That sounds like an awesome.
996
00:58:49,599 --> 00:58:51,559
Introduction it was a great introduction not bad.
997
00:58:51,559 --> 00:58:57,959
At all i i would say if we want to do a jb dnd at some point maybe a fun stream
998
00:58:57,959 --> 00:59:00,779
on the holidays or when we're all feeling like we don't have too much work,
999
00:59:00,979 --> 00:59:03,779
probably our buddy Jason would host that for us.
1000
00:59:03,839 --> 00:59:04,739
That would be great.
1001
00:59:04,819 --> 00:59:09,639
He is a professional D&D-er, so he would organize that for us if we wanted.
1002
00:59:10,279 --> 00:59:11,079
Why am I not surprised?
1003
00:59:11,079 --> 00:59:12,319
And he's listening right now, so hey, Jason.
1004
00:59:12,679 --> 00:59:15,979
Hello, Jason! Alright, thank you everybody who supported the show,
1005
00:59:16,059 --> 00:59:17,359
the members and the boosters.
1006
00:59:20,219 --> 00:59:23,599
When you look at our SAT streamers, 22 of you stream SATs as you listen,
1007
00:59:23,659 --> 00:59:26,919
you collectively stacked 25,340 SATs.
1008
00:59:27,019 --> 00:59:33,059
When you combine that with our boosters, it's a humble but appreciated 85,267 sats.
1009
00:59:36,887 --> 00:59:42,747
This can be a thing from time to time because the last two episodes, the sun was shining.
1010
00:59:43,287 --> 00:59:44,827
Crazy. We got sunburned.
1011
00:59:45,027 --> 00:59:47,847
Yeah. We still have our skin peeling.
1012
00:59:48,107 --> 00:59:52,007
You guys really blew us away. What does tend to happen is we kind of go into
1013
00:59:52,007 --> 00:59:53,827
famine. We sort of feast and then we have famine for a bit.
1014
00:59:53,827 --> 00:59:54,327
Like a rain shadow.
1015
00:59:54,447 --> 00:59:57,987
Yeah. So if you've been waiting to support the show, now it could be a good
1016
00:59:57,987 --> 00:59:59,827
time during the famine. We really do appreciate it.
1017
01:00:00,047 --> 01:00:02,887
It's really easy to boost to something like Fountain FM. In fact,
1018
01:00:02,947 --> 01:00:03,867
they're making it easier and
1019
01:00:03,867 --> 01:00:06,887
easier, guys. It's getting crazy what they're doing with the new features.
1020
01:00:07,127 --> 01:00:10,507
There's a whole self-hosted platform out there with things like AlbiHub and
1021
01:00:10,507 --> 01:00:13,027
lots of good apps at podcastapps.com.
1022
01:00:13,147 --> 01:00:16,527
Then you get additional features like transcripts. You get the cloud chapters.
1023
01:00:16,707 --> 01:00:19,827
You get notifications within 90 seconds when a new episode is out.
1024
01:00:20,247 --> 01:00:23,567
Additionally, there's all kinds of new things coming all the time like live
1025
01:00:23,567 --> 01:00:27,067
stream support and more. So check it out at podcastapps.com.
1026
01:00:37,927 --> 01:00:42,487
All right, now, the first pick this week, I think, Brenly, you spotted this
1027
01:00:42,487 --> 01:00:44,227
one, and for a good reason, right?
1028
01:00:44,347 --> 01:00:48,187
This was Copia, I think is maybe how you say it, a cross-platform backup tool
1029
01:00:48,187 --> 01:00:52,147
for the various operating systems out there with some really nice features.
1030
01:00:52,467 --> 01:00:56,487
Yeah, I've been diving into Copia. It was mentioned a couple times by some of
1031
01:00:56,487 --> 01:01:02,127
our listeners as a response to our, you know, several scattered backup episodes
1032
01:01:02,127 --> 01:01:03,247
that we've done in the past.
1033
01:01:03,247 --> 01:01:04,827
And you could consider this one of them.
1034
01:01:05,387 --> 01:01:09,267
Yeah. Here's your mini segment for, you know, give us some feedback on what we're doing wrong.
1035
01:01:09,767 --> 01:01:15,447
But I had a friend who ran into a situation where their laptop was stolen out
1036
01:01:15,447 --> 01:01:18,907
of their apartment while they were there sleeping just overnight.
1037
01:01:19,287 --> 01:01:23,667
And it turns out that person also had a thesis that was due in a week.
1038
01:01:23,667 --> 01:01:27,807
And that was their only copy of pretty much all of the stuff they've created
1039
01:01:27,807 --> 01:01:28,927
in the last couple years.
1040
01:01:29,629 --> 01:01:34,129
So somehow as a crazy story, I won't tell here, they got it back like a random
1041
01:01:34,129 --> 01:01:36,489
stranger came and gave the laptop back.
1042
01:01:36,729 --> 01:01:40,509
I don't know really the whole story there. But anyway, so that situation got much better.
1043
01:01:40,649 --> 01:01:46,149
But it got me thinking, well, I think my duty in this world is to help my friends with their backups.
1044
01:01:46,369 --> 01:01:49,909
And I've been trying to do that for more than a decade.
1045
01:01:50,289 --> 01:01:53,689
But it sounds like there's something to do here.
1046
01:01:53,829 --> 01:01:58,229
So I wanted to set up a backup system for her that just kind of ran in the background.
1047
01:01:58,229 --> 01:02:00,969
she never ever ever had to think about and if
1048
01:02:00,969 --> 01:02:03,749
this kind of situation happened i can just kind of step in and
1049
01:02:03,749 --> 01:02:06,609
help out and copia's sort of fit
1050
01:02:06,609 --> 01:02:09,669
the bill on this one because usually i would reach for a linux only tool
1051
01:02:09,669 --> 01:02:12,589
because i only do support for friends who run linux
1052
01:02:12,589 --> 01:02:15,389
but she was because her laptop
1053
01:02:15,389 --> 01:02:18,209
was stolen given a laptop by her parents which is a windows
1054
01:02:18,209 --> 01:02:21,329
laptop and she was like i might just use it as is so i
1055
01:02:21,329 --> 01:02:25,089
figured okay i need something that's you know cross-platform and
1056
01:02:25,089 --> 01:02:28,969
copia seemed to fit the bill there because the interface is just
1057
01:02:28,969 --> 01:02:32,089
the same on a bunch of different platforms the you
1058
01:02:32,089 --> 01:02:35,109
know three ones we care about and it
1059
01:02:35,109 --> 01:02:37,909
also is serverless which means you know it could just kind of
1060
01:02:37,909 --> 01:02:42,229
run on its own on a laptop which is all that this friend in particular and many
1061
01:02:42,229 --> 01:02:47,169
other friends i can think of and family members have so i kind of started diving
1062
01:02:47,169 --> 01:02:53,089
into copia as maybe the next way i can help a bunch of people and if i can just
1063
01:02:53,089 --> 01:02:55,949
suggest one tool for all of them, that would make my life easier.
1064
01:02:56,209 --> 01:03:00,349
So the things I loved about Copia is cross-platform, as I mentioned.
1065
01:03:00,509 --> 01:03:04,469
It seems really quite modern. It's written in Go, which is nice and fast.
1066
01:03:05,069 --> 01:03:08,449
But also there's a lot of people who've been contributing to it.
1067
01:03:08,549 --> 01:03:12,289
I think I saw 170 contributors, which is something I always care about.
1068
01:03:12,769 --> 01:03:15,989
But there's some cool stuff here. So it can back up to, you know,
1069
01:03:16,349 --> 01:03:20,589
Amazon S3 and Backblaze and those kind of things by default. Yeah.
1070
01:03:21,902 --> 01:03:24,802
one thing i thought our little crew here would really love is
1071
01:03:24,802 --> 01:03:27,882
it can also if you have r clone installed it
1072
01:03:27,882 --> 01:03:30,942
can also control our clone as sort
1073
01:03:30,942 --> 01:03:34,582
of an interface to our clone and support a
1074
01:03:34,582 --> 01:03:40,082
lot of what our clone can do as a back end so the options for back ends is plenty
1075
01:03:40,082 --> 01:03:44,182
and i think you'd be hard pressed to find a back end that doesn't work for you
1076
01:03:44,182 --> 01:03:49,222
and it just runs really well the other The thing I liked is the interface is
1077
01:03:49,222 --> 01:03:51,482
super configurable if you want it to be,
1078
01:03:51,682 --> 01:03:53,962
but it can also be fairly straightforward.
1079
01:03:53,982 --> 01:03:57,762
So it's a nice blend for someone who's not that tech savvy who has it running,
1080
01:03:57,942 --> 01:04:00,922
but then I can just pop in and make some adjustments whenever I need to.
1081
01:04:01,282 --> 01:04:05,122
That sounds like a low-key compliment, but this is the QA guy over here, right?
1082
01:04:05,202 --> 01:04:10,562
So that means the interface wasn't riddled with a bunch of obvious bugs or defects or silly things.
1083
01:04:10,702 --> 01:04:12,222
Well, I found one or two, but they weren't critical.
1084
01:04:12,482 --> 01:04:15,962
So we'll get it. Of course. Of course.
1085
01:04:17,202 --> 01:04:21,002
But I would say give it a try. I've been using Borg for myself for the last
1086
01:04:21,002 --> 01:04:24,882
couple of years, and this actually is getting me to start thinking if I should
1087
01:04:24,882 --> 01:04:26,602
switch to it permanently for my own stuff, too.
1088
01:04:27,182 --> 01:04:30,902
So not only does it have support for a lot of the cloud storage providers we've
1089
01:04:30,902 --> 01:04:35,362
all heard of, but then, as you might expect, it also has support for any WebDAV
1090
01:04:35,362 --> 01:04:39,402
or SFTP or like Brent said, our clone support, too, which really opens it up.
1091
01:04:39,402 --> 01:04:45,082
So that's pretty nice because, you know, you could have one person you're helping
1092
01:04:45,082 --> 01:04:48,922
that uses their Dropbox and another person you're helping uses their Google Cloud storage.
1093
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But it's the same interface and options sitting on top of that.
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You don't have to keep learning new tools.
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Yeah. It's Apache 2 is the license on that. And, yes, it does save everything
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encrypted locally. Yeah.
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before it sends them up to the cloud provider. Nice one, Brent.
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01:05:03,825 --> 01:05:06,685
Good find. Sorry to hear about that story with the laptop. That's awful.
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Yeah, and it's really a thanks to the audience for suggesting this one.
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I had it noted for future reference, and the future is now.
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01:05:12,565 --> 01:05:17,165
Ah, isn't it funny? Later becomes now. Well, since I was talking,
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you know, Blu-rays and whatnot, you could also just go a little simpler with
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something called Power ISO.
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It's not a free software app, but it is available for Linux,
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01:05:26,225 --> 01:05:29,825
and you can probably guess what this does. It's an application for burning your
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disks and making your file systems and all of that, creating virtual drives
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or bootable disks or whatever you want.
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I think people even use it somehow to make Windows USB boot disks.
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01:05:39,145 --> 01:05:40,065
I couldn't speak to that.
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01:05:40,305 --> 01:05:44,145
But it's an application that very much invokes a 90s design.
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In fact, the screenshot is from a Vista era, a Windows desktop.
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01:05:49,965 --> 01:05:53,065
So that's how you know it's good, right? Because if you're dealing with something
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that burns disks, you want to have a retro look. That's why I went with an 80s
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Tui, and they have a very 90s or maybe early aughts Vista theme.
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01:06:01,465 --> 01:06:05,325
But they just released a new version on October 24th, 2025, so the project is
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still very active and is free.
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01:06:09,009 --> 01:06:13,909
and works tried it out so this is you know more akin to like the typical uh
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things you might have back in the day to burn your disk and stuff.
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01:06:15,989 --> 01:06:19,929
Well i think i have a pick from the chat room they suggested a project chris
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01:06:19,929 --> 01:06:25,149
when you were talking about your blue vault yeah that is this teleco project
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01:06:25,149 --> 01:06:30,329
oh teleco yeah it looks like it does a bunch of like well i don't quite know
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01:06:30,329 --> 01:06:32,569
does anybody else know it better than i do because i'm just gonna wing it.
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01:06:32,569 --> 01:06:36,069
Teleco is a kde project yeah and it's
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01:06:36,069 --> 01:06:39,369
uh it's basically like it's more of an inventory system it's
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01:06:39,369 --> 01:06:42,389
not really like a day it's not really a database tracking thing
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01:06:42,389 --> 01:06:45,569
but and let's it's like a manual inserting of like keeping track
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01:06:45,569 --> 01:06:51,229
of basically anything you want some information about uh so you could you know
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01:06:51,229 --> 01:06:55,389
use it to track your documents but also in a sense of like labeling everything
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01:06:55,389 --> 01:06:59,789
or you know your music could be associated your books could be associated like
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01:06:59,789 --> 01:07:03,269
all sorts of stuff it's more of a just a overall,
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01:07:03,989 --> 01:07:08,849
collections of anything so like if you have a you know digital comic books or
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01:07:08,849 --> 01:07:11,809
something you could use it as a keeping track of that sort of stuff but it's
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01:07:11,809 --> 01:07:13,589
more of a manual setup yeah.
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01:07:13,589 --> 01:07:17,489
I did seriously consider it i have it like installed on all my machines and
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01:07:17,489 --> 01:07:19,709
i was playing really yeah yeah nice.
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01:07:20,369 --> 01:07:21,889
So thanks to swami for that one.
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01:07:21,889 --> 01:07:23,329
But i i got kind of,
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01:07:24,260 --> 01:07:26,600
burned out on the manual part of it so.
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01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:30,040
Yeah it's worth checking out though people are interested so i'll toss a link
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01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:33,760
to that in the show notes too but wes that wasn't what you had up your sleeve was it.
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01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:39,120
It was not no so um okay well you were getting getting the coding done or the
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01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:42,600
vibing done whichever it was yeah um i was trying to test it right and so i
1143
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,720
was getting it to build checking it did build on my machine i wanted to try
1144
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:48,920
it there was a few things we had to fix in particular some tests i'm.
1145
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:50,540
Betting you probably didn't have a stash of blu-rays.
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01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:55,920
No. And I was using this laptop, and it doesn't even have an optical drive.
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01:07:56,060 --> 01:07:56,220
No.
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01:07:56,940 --> 01:07:59,900
So I go, I finally get it built, and I go and run it, and the first thing it
1149
01:07:59,900 --> 01:08:02,880
does is say, hey, buddy, you don't have an optical drive. I'm not doing anything.
1150
01:08:03,140 --> 01:08:09,540
Yeah. After you had a problem with that, by the way, it inspired me to add drive detection now.
1151
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:14,320
So it accommodates all kinds of different systems with different drive setups.
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01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:14,840
Oh, nice.
1153
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:16,480
So you did inspire a new feature.
1154
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,560
Okay, good. And so I was like, okay, well, I could always spin up a virtual
1155
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,220
machine. That'd be pretty easy. But I was just curious, like,
1156
01:08:22,300 --> 01:08:24,540
well, how hard is it to just emulate one of these, right?
1157
01:08:24,660 --> 01:08:25,080
Yeah, I should have thought of this.
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01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:28,320
And so I found CDEMU. CDEMU.
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01:08:28,480 --> 01:08:33,000
Well, and it looks like as recent as of July 8th, 2018, version 3.2 is out.
1160
01:08:33,060 --> 01:08:35,640
Yeah, it has a website that's appropriately old looking, though,
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01:08:35,740 --> 01:08:36,700
right? I think you'll see.
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01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:38,620
It definitely fits the 90s vibe.
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01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:39,040
So it's retro, yeah.
1164
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,960
What is with all these different tools having such a retro thing?
1165
01:08:42,980 --> 01:08:44,600
I don't know. I leaned into it, too. I like it.
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01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:48,720
And I mean, it's like a super simple little UI. They have a GUI for it.
1167
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,140
So you run a daemon that does the emulation.
1168
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:51,920
Right? Is it a TUI?
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01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:53,100
No.
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01:08:53,500 --> 01:08:53,820
Oh.
1171
01:08:54,140 --> 01:08:56,400
Oh, there is a CLI app that's a client for it.
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01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:57,760
The disappointment in your voice.
1173
01:08:57,940 --> 01:08:59,780
But they have, like, a nice little, like...
1174
01:09:01,121 --> 01:09:02,241
Oh, an actual GUI?
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01:09:02,321 --> 01:09:02,461
Yeah.
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01:09:02,541 --> 01:09:03,201
Like a real GUI?
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01:09:03,241 --> 01:09:03,801
Like a real GUI.
1178
01:09:04,061 --> 01:09:09,021
Oh. Wow. That's fancy. That is really fancy. It actually looks GTK, perhaps?
1179
01:09:09,121 --> 01:09:10,921
Yeah. I would suspect so.
1180
01:09:10,961 --> 01:09:11,361
Yeah, okay.
1181
01:09:11,481 --> 01:09:14,181
But what's cool is it's open source.
1182
01:09:14,361 --> 01:09:15,441
Yeah, that is cool.
1183
01:09:16,541 --> 01:09:17,141
Of course.
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01:09:17,321 --> 01:09:17,441
Yeah.
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01:09:17,941 --> 01:09:18,901
No, but you can...
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01:09:18,901 --> 01:09:20,901
And it still works, even though it hasn't had an update in a while,
1187
01:09:21,021 --> 01:09:24,381
right? Obviously. Oh, no, actually, some of this stuff on GitHub has been updated
1188
01:09:24,381 --> 01:09:25,941
a little more recently, at least.
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01:09:26,601 --> 01:09:32,401
GPL 2. So it does both sides. So not only can you load in ISOs and it looks
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01:09:32,401 --> 01:09:33,981
like you have a CD in there, right?
1191
01:09:34,061 --> 01:09:34,501
Yeah, it's nice.
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01:09:34,601 --> 01:09:40,421
And like even it'll just present an empty one, but you can create blanks and it shows up as writable.
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01:09:40,761 --> 01:09:45,381
So I was able to test your program end to end without having to drive at all.
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01:09:45,461 --> 01:09:47,461
Meanwhile, I'm over here buying 10 packs.
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01:09:47,461 --> 01:09:51,461
And then it leaves an ISO file on the file system that I could then mount and
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01:09:51,461 --> 01:09:52,661
check that it got all the files.
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01:09:52,721 --> 01:09:56,901
You could have told a guy this, I don't know, the other day before I bought
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01:09:56,901 --> 01:09:58,421
another pack of Blu-rays for more testing.
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01:09:58,421 --> 01:10:03,161
So you should see if you can get the LLM to make us some NixOS integration tests.
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01:10:03,401 --> 01:10:03,501
Right?
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01:10:03,581 --> 01:10:05,381
Run the full thing and try to burn...
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01:10:06,956 --> 01:10:08,876
Because there's a Nix OS service for it.
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01:10:09,276 --> 01:10:12,936
You do need to have the full testing for the disks. Yeah.
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01:10:13,156 --> 01:10:15,856
So it's like, I mean, it is sort of save a little bit of time,
1205
01:10:15,956 --> 01:10:18,236
but you still need to burn and waste anyway.
1206
01:10:18,656 --> 01:10:21,936
What hurts the most is like when it starts to burn and fails almost immediately,
1207
01:10:21,956 --> 01:10:25,956
and I get like one stripe, and then you can never use the disk again.
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01:10:26,576 --> 01:10:30,456
And I've used like 400 kilobytes of 50 gigs, and I'm like, you've got to be kidding.
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01:10:30,776 --> 01:10:34,376
Have you looked at the price in terms of like gigabytes to, you know,
1210
01:10:34,456 --> 01:10:37,516
like the disks, or like rewritable Blu-rays?
1211
01:10:37,896 --> 01:10:40,816
Yeah, that's a good idea. I was thinking much like, you know,
1212
01:10:40,876 --> 01:10:43,936
cold storage, but rewritable would be handy, too.
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01:10:44,796 --> 01:10:52,196
Well, this is pretty neat. C-D-E-M-U. And it is at cdemu.org,
1214
01:10:52,216 --> 01:10:55,216
or we'll put a link in the show notes. I'm going to look at this, Wes, after the show.
1215
01:10:56,016 --> 01:10:58,956
I wish you would have told me about it earlier, but I'm glad to know about it now.
1216
01:11:00,096 --> 01:11:05,556
I can't believe that. It's so stupid, too. I guess, you know, learn.
1217
01:11:06,156 --> 01:11:08,936
It's what it really comes down to, of course, is there's just a lot of little
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01:11:08,936 --> 01:11:10,496
parameters you've got to pass the burn command.
1219
01:11:11,276 --> 01:11:13,796
And as you said, right, it kind of attunes you more to doing,
1220
01:11:13,796 --> 01:11:15,056
like, test-driven development.
1221
01:11:15,536 --> 01:11:19,736
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was one of the things I was telling Wes is as I started
1222
01:11:19,736 --> 01:11:21,856
doing this, I'm like, well, I better just figure out a way to test this because
1223
01:11:21,856 --> 01:11:25,076
I can't every time I need to run through this thing burn a disk.
1224
01:11:25,176 --> 01:11:27,936
So I had to create a bunch of little unit tests for individual functionality
1225
01:11:27,936 --> 01:11:30,736
so that I could test everything I could before I actually had to burn.
1226
01:11:31,696 --> 01:11:37,876
I feel like this also um perfectly describes your different approaches to solving
1227
01:11:37,876 --> 01:11:43,916
a problem this would always be the west approach and yeah well chris physical media right.
1228
01:11:45,150 --> 01:11:47,870
Well, if anybody wants to take a look at it, you should be able to just pick
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01:11:47,870 --> 01:11:49,290
right up and get working with it.
1230
01:11:49,570 --> 01:11:53,330
I'd love somebody to help me with some of the basic features and run through it.
1231
01:11:53,370 --> 01:11:56,330
Or if anybody wants to triage PRs or issues as they come in,
1232
01:11:56,510 --> 01:11:59,890
I'd appreciate any of that. And we'll have it linked in the show notes.
1233
01:12:00,010 --> 01:12:00,950
You know it's going to happen.
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01:12:01,410 --> 01:12:02,610
Do you need disc donations?
1235
01:12:04,030 --> 01:12:07,730
Maybe, eventually. Well, I bought another pack, so that'll be good for a little while.
1236
01:12:09,250 --> 01:12:12,550
I haven't actually backed anything up yet. I mean, I haven't testing backed
1237
01:12:12,550 --> 01:12:16,350
things up, but, you know. And every time I wanted to use like unique stuff so
1238
01:12:16,350 --> 01:12:18,050
I could test that the database search was working.
1239
01:12:18,210 --> 01:12:22,110
So it's like a lot of me copying files off the NAS to my local system and waiting
1240
01:12:22,110 --> 01:12:26,030
for all that to copy and then waiting for it to burn. Oh, my goodness.
1241
01:12:27,270 --> 01:12:30,110
Software development is ridiculous. I don't know how anybody does this crap.
1242
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:34,150
I'll tell you what. All right. Well, that's it for us. We'd love to hear from
1243
01:12:34,150 --> 01:12:37,470
you. Of course, you can send us a boost or go to linuxunplugged.com slash contact.
1244
01:12:37,690 --> 01:12:40,950
You could also make it a Tuesday on a Sunday and join us live.
1245
01:12:41,030 --> 01:12:43,430
The mumble room is kicking right now. We have our live chat.
1246
01:12:43,430 --> 01:12:46,750
Of course, we do this on Sundays at 10 a.m. Pacific, 1 p.m. Eastern.
1247
01:12:50,390 --> 01:12:54,930
Wes, you got like a hot power tip for them if they want any extra metadata or
1248
01:12:54,930 --> 01:12:57,750
context around what we talked about things? Do you have any hot tips, Wes?
1249
01:12:57,890 --> 01:13:02,550
Oh, yeah. How about like a magical JSON file that lets you skip around via the
1250
01:13:02,550 --> 01:13:04,590
use of chapters, cloud chapters too, right?
1251
01:13:04,670 --> 01:13:07,710
So it's last decade's hype word built into the chapters.
1252
01:13:07,910 --> 01:13:11,850
What it really means is if we screw up, we can fix it and you get the fix. That's right.
1253
01:13:11,950 --> 01:13:14,790
Yeah, you don't have to download a new MP3. You just get the new fix.
1254
01:13:14,910 --> 01:13:15,710
Which is great for us.
1255
01:13:15,810 --> 01:13:21,010
Yeah. But better than that, we've got transcripts. So you can scrub through the whole thing.
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01:13:21,570 --> 01:13:24,290
If you can't hear us and you just want to get a sense of what we said in the
1257
01:13:24,290 --> 01:13:26,630
episode, you want to index it, you want to search it.
1258
01:13:26,670 --> 01:13:29,630
You know what we've never made a call out for? And if anybody's looking for
1259
01:13:29,630 --> 01:13:34,570
a 2026 software project, it'd be really neat to make those searchable.
1260
01:13:34,730 --> 01:13:38,390
Have a front end that sits on top of them. Every transcript is linked in the
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01:13:38,390 --> 01:13:41,810
RSS feed sitting out at an endpoint that you could pull in.
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01:13:41,890 --> 01:13:45,050
And if anybody wants to make a searchable database out of that so people can
1263
01:13:45,050 --> 01:13:47,290
find keywords what we talked about, that'd be a really helpful tool.
1264
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:48,410
We'd really appreciate that.
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01:13:49,130 --> 01:13:53,050
Links to everything we talked about today. Yep, those are on our website. You know that.
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01:13:53,650 --> 01:13:58,470
LinuxUnplugged.com slash 649er. That'll get you the links for what we talked about today.
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01:13:58,730 --> 01:14:01,610
Lots of great episodes over there. In fact, you might even say an entire back
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01:14:01,610 --> 01:14:07,470
catalog of a whole 648 episodes, if you can believe it. I couldn't believe it.
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01:14:07,770 --> 01:14:11,450
Lots of great shows over at, well, at least a few good shows over at jupiterbroadcasting.com.
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01:14:11,810 --> 01:14:14,790
We always appreciate if you check those out, too. Thanks so much for joining
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us on this week's episode of Your Unplugged Program. And you're going to see
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us right back here next week.