#542: September 15, 2010

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Speaker 1: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Knowledge Fight. Dan and Jordan, I am sweating. KnowledgeFight.com. It's time to pray. I have great respect for Knowledge Fight. Knowledge Fight.
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Speaker 3: I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
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Speaker 2: Knowledge Fight.
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Speaker 4: Dan and Jordan.
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Speaker 2: Knowledge Fight.
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Speaker 1: Knowledge Fight.
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Speaker 2: I need money.
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Speaker 5: Andy in Kansas.
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Speaker 2: Andy in Kansas.
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Speaker 1: Stop it.
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Speaker 2: Andy in Kansas. Andy in Kansas. Andy in Kansas. It's time to pray.
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Speaker 1: Andy in Kansas.
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Speaker 3: You're on the air.
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Speaker 6: Thanks for holding.
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Speaker 7: Hello, Alex.
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Speaker 8: I'm a huge fan.
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Speaker 3: I love your work.
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Speaker 4: Knowledge fight.
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Speaker 1: Knowledgefight.com. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes. Like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk just a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
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Speaker 3: Jordan.
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Speaker 5: Dan.
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Speaker 1: Jordan.
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Speaker 4: I have a quick question for you.
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Speaker 1: What's up?
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Speaker 4: What's your bright spot today?
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Speaker 1: My bright spot today is another counter shout out.
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Speaker 4: Another counter shout out. Counter bright spot. An anti-bright spot.
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Speaker 1: I could not resist the urge while I was sitting around in the house. I saw those Coca-Cola with coffee staring at me. You did it again.
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Speaker 9: You did it again.
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Speaker 1: And I tried the vanilla one.
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Speaker 4: I swear, you learn better than anyone else in certain areas. And in others, you're simply impossible.
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Speaker 1: I'm a glutton for punishment.
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Speaker 10: You are.
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Speaker 1: When it comes to weird packaged goods.
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Speaker 4: I've never had it before it's like your guiding light whenever you're at a store.
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Speaker 1: Yeah but it also it's a pretty specific space that's true because if it was like Coca-Cola now with octopus right right right.
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Speaker 4: That's not going to do it it has to also.
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Speaker 9: Intrigue you yeah yeah yeah.
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Speaker 1: I get you And kind of a really 13-year-old kid might get excited by this kind of way. Right, right, right. Ooh, it's a new type of nerds. That's my sweet spot. Speaking of which, they have those nerd clusters. They got the nerd ropes? They got nerd clusters. No, ropes came out like 15, 20 years ago. Okay, fine, fine. We sold those at the movie theater I used to work at when I was like 17.
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Speaker 9: I'm sorry, I'm not a snack nerd, if you will, Dan.
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Speaker 1: So I tried the vanilla one.
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Speaker 10: Uh-huh.
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Speaker 1: And I gotta say, it was better.
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Speaker 4: Okay. Still really bad.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 1: Still disgusting. Okay. But it was kind of like, you know, the vanilla masked some of the problems of the coffee.
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Speaker 11: Sure.
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Speaker 1: Let's add a fourth flavor in here.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. Let's just keep tossing stuff in there.
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Speaker 1: Cherry vanilla coffee Coke. Let's see if we can fucking make this tasty. Not atrocious.
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Speaker 4: It's like when somebody describes wine tea and they're like, it's got an oaky finish and there's hints of fruit in there. And somebody's like, well, what if we just added all those flavors into Coke? It'd be like a regular drink.
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Speaker 1: As a sommelier, I say nay.
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Speaker 4: Sommelier.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to try the caramel one at some point. Well, of course. Naturally.
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Speaker 4: You're already a pot committed here. That's in the fridge.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's there. I'm going to drink it at some point. It's just a matter of How long and how many times will I stare at it before I try?
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: What's your bright spot?
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Speaker 4: My bright spot, Dan, is it happens to be a very beautiful day in Chicago.
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Speaker 8: It is.
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Speaker 4: And my partner and I went and played tennis. And wow, the outside is nice, Dan. You remember the outside?
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Speaker 1: I've heard a tale of it.
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Speaker 4: You remember the outside?
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Speaker 9: What were you doing?
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Speaker 4: You were doing it.
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Speaker 9: What do you do on the show again?
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Speaker 1: The work. You were working on the show.
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Speaker 5: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Doing that part of it.
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Speaker 4: Yes, okay.
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Speaker 1: While you were enjoying the outdoors.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, well, there is that.
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Speaker 1: It's great that you get to do that while we also frequently have conversations about how much I love nature and how you think it sucks. It should go away.
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Speaker 9: There is that, yes.
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Speaker 4: I'm a man of many contradictions, Dan.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you had fun playing big-time ping pong.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was great.
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Speaker 1: Big old ping pong?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's real big.
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Speaker 4: That was the original name. Originally, ping pong was called whiff-waff in the United States, but before that, tennis was called great big whiff-waff.
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Speaker 1: What's pickleball?
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Speaker 4: Pickleball is.
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Speaker 1: Is that related to tennis?
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Speaker 4: Isn't it the one where it's got the whiffleball and there's holes in it and you do the thing.
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Speaker 1: With the pickles? I don't know. I don't think pickles are actually involved.
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Speaker 9: I'm Not sure that they're not.
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Speaker 1: I've heard that word said a lot, and I don't know what it is.
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Speaker 4: I have heard pickleball as well.
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Speaker 1: Please don't send me messages about it. I'm going to look into it as soon as we stop recording. We're going to need 3,000 messages. So, Jordan, today we've got an interesting episode to go over. We're going to be doing a little bit of a time travel adventure.
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Speaker 4: Going back in time or forward?
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Speaker 1: You ask that every time, and we can't go forward. I've tried. We are going back to 2010.
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Speaker 10: Okay.
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Speaker 4: The.
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Speaker 1: magical 11-year-old time of 2010. Sure, sure. Things were so different.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like the turn of the millennium, but instead of the Iraq War, we had more of the Iraq War.
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Speaker 1: Sure, sure. We had the midterms coming up. We had Mayan apocalypse on the horizon.
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Speaker 4: Sure, that's still to come.
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Speaker 1: Certainly. A lot of interesting stuff happening. So I'm excited to dabble in on this, but before we get into that, let's take a little moment to say thank you Some folks who've joined up and are now policy wonks.
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Speaker 4: Oh, that's a great idea.
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Speaker 1: So first, Dr. Yummy Feet. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.
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Speaker 2: I'm a policy wonk.
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Speaker 4: Thank you, Dr.
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Speaker 1: Yummy Feet.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Next, Brendan the Policy Wonk. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.
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Speaker 2: I'm a policy wonk.
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Speaker 9: Thank you, Brendan the Policy Wonk Policy Wonk.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. Next, Cranthulus the Twelfth, the Conqueror of Five Empires, Lord of the Blood Pits of Fentha, of Fathna, excuse me. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.
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Speaker 2: I'm a policy wonk.
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Speaker 9: Thank you very much.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Fethna gets really pissed if you don't pronounce their name properly.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a brutal, brutal feeling.
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Speaker 1: But I'm known for my mispronunciations of locations. I'm sure the Fethnians will. Hashtag on brand.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: Next, Paranoid Lemming. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.
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Speaker 2: I'm a policy wonk.
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Speaker 4: Thank you, Paranoid Levin.
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Speaker 1: And thanks for the brain worms, John. Much love from E. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.
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Speaker 2: I'm a policy wonk.
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Speaker 4: Thank you very much.
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Speaker 1: This might be connected. What's that? I do believe that these are both about the same person.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 4: We have a policy wonk pile on.
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Speaker 1: So the next one is, John, I blame you for getting joker-fied. Love, Rex. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.
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Speaker 2: I'm a policy walk.
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Speaker 4: Thank you very much to all of you.
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Speaker 1: I think John is maybe getting some people into the show.
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Speaker 9: John, you got to get to, damn.
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Speaker 1: So thanks, John. So Jordan, like I said, we're going back in time and I've made this call on the show before and I think I did it at a time when we had a smaller audience than we do now and maybe this will have a little bit more reach. And so if anybody out there listening has access to really old Alex Jones episodes, like late 90s, early 2000s, please reach out. I would like to try and find a way to get my hands on stuff from like 95, 96, 97. And if anybody has a line on those, I've tried a number of avenues and they all kind of reach dead ends. A lot of people have some tips.
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Speaker 9: Did you text him?
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Speaker 5: No.
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Speaker 10: Oh.
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Speaker 1: I have not. I've considered that a last option.
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Speaker 9: That assumes that you already have his number.
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Speaker 1: Yo, yo, yo, Alex, you up?
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Speaker 4: Hey, Alex, what up? You got those old episodes for me.
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Speaker 1: There are a number of paths that I've gone down that seemed like, oh, this will work out. It's kind of difficult. I think there's some, the episodes exist somewhere. I know that for sure. But it's very, very difficult to find them in any meaningful way.
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Speaker 9: You think the Smithsonian has them? Got to library of Congress.
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Speaker 12: Of course.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Somebody's got to.
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Speaker 1: So, uh, today, Jordan, uh, I was, uh, trying to find a fun time travel thing to do. And, uh, you know, it's tough. It's a challenge.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: And you're a witch.
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Speaker 9: So you have high standards.
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It, my, my standards for witchcraft. Yeah, exactly. Um, I got a message from a guy by the name of Kirby Ferguson, who does some videos on YouTube and Kirby had just finished up a duo of videos, uh, about Joe Rogan and Alex's last interview and sort of some of the techniques and the styles that are used in the conversation. Sure. And I really enjoyed watching that. It was really a nice thing. And so I started thinking, like, let's find some Rogan. Oh, no. So I went back to September 15th, 2010 and found... Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome and thank you for joining us.
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Speaker 3: It's September 15th on this Wednesday, 2010 transmission. I got a call last night. Joe Rogan, host of Ultimate Fighting, is in town. And he was inviting me tonight to see the UFC. And I said, hey, why don't you come into studio and get his view on politics and, quote, conspiracies?
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Speaker 1: So that is good. But that wouldn't be enough.
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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no.
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Speaker 1: That's not enough.
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Speaker 4: This is before the Joe Rogan experience, right? Or like at the very beginning of it, maybe.
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Speaker 1: I would have a hard time knowing exactly when it started. I know that he promotes JoeRogan.net, which is his website. Right, right, right. That's where the Rogan experience was initially.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 1: So I could see it maybe being in like its earliest stages.
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Speaker 9: At the very least, we know he does not have $ 100 million yet.
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Speaker 4: He certainly doesn't.
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Speaker 1: But he does have a friend. Okay.
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Speaker 3: And Eddie Bravo is a jiu-jitsu master. He's also going to be in studio with Joe today.
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Speaker 1: So we got an episode from 2010 with Alex, Eddie, and Joe Rogan in Alex's studio. I thought this would be a fun little thing to glimpse back on.
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Speaker 2: Totally.
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Speaker 1: Take a little bit of a load off from the present day nonsense. Maybe be a little bit lighter.
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Speaker 4: This was back when Eddie Bravo was still a practicing doctor, I believe, right?
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Speaker 1: Doctor of Jiu-Jitsu. Yeah. Yeah. He is licensed. He's, boy, he's not made for FCC controlled things. Oh, yeah?
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Speaker 11: Oh, yeah?
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Speaker 4: Why do you say that?
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Speaker 1: We'll get to it when we get to it. So Alex is going to talk to them at the end of the show. That's third hour business. Sure, sure, sure. So I was like, I wonder what's going on beforehand and what sort of show they're, you know, by appearing on it and being advertised as guests on the show. What are they basically endorsing? What are they elevating?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's going on?
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And so we get to Alex talking about how. Back when his grandma was around, you know, in grandma's time, it was offensive to see a belly button in I Dream of Jeannie.
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Speaker 9: Okay.
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Speaker 1: But now society is collapsing. Oh, boy.
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Speaker 3: In fact, last night I was talking to my mom, and she was discussing her grandmother back in the 60s, was over at their house, and she saw I Dream of Jeannie, and she was just shocked by the fact that.
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Speaker 2: The woman's navel was visible. And now.
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Speaker 3: You can make fun of people who are shocked by things like that.
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Speaker 8: I will.
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Speaker 3: But civilizations have been wild and decadent and crazy before, and people figure out, hey, we better control this to some level.
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Speaker 1: Put away the belly button.
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Speaker 3: Or it causes society to collapse because it's a slippery slope.
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Speaker 4: One belly button.
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Speaker 1: Now look at media.
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Speaker 2: Now look at the culture.
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Speaker 4: It's the end of days.
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Speaker 2: People see.
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Speaker 3: Millions and millions over their lifetimes have simulated murders and deaths and torture. And every time I go to a movie to analyze it, I'm not really a fan of really violent films.
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Speaker 10: What?
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Speaker 3: It's because I realize how serious it is, unless it's in a serious context. I would have liked to have been in the theater when The Road came out.
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Speaker 1: A few years ago.
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Speaker 3: I saw it on DVD and was profoundly affected by it because I've studied so much history. I know how accurate it was dealing with cannibalism and deprivation.
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Speaker 1: I never put the pieces together until that clip that Alex's entire idea of, like, everyone becomes a cannibal within 15 days is just from the road.
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Speaker 4: Just Cormac McCarthy.
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Speaker 1: Yep. Straight up. Yep.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I wouldn't rely on Cormac McCarthy for the betterment of mankind in terms of thematic elements.
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Speaker 1: But Alex pretends that that's, like, stuff from studies and said everyone becomes a cannibal within 15 days.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: No, I mean, that's just kind of like, yeah, there's a bunch of, like, bad people who are cannibals in the road i can.
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Speaker 4: See uh if if they had made a movie of it i could see alex's devil being based on the judge from blood meridian but that was a book and it's hard to read even if you're good at reading so.
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Speaker 1: Just no post-apocalyptic fiction novel this is that got turned into a movie that alex is pretending.
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Speaker 9: Is real yeah vigo mortensen right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 10: Bingo.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a good bingo film.
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Speaker 1: Most historical examples of cannibalism have been in ritual context, which makes sense because the amount of energy you'd need to exert to kill and eat a non-cooperative human would not be worth whatever nutritional value you gain from it. It would be smarter from a caloric perspective to eat just about anything else. Uh, this is just another example of some supposedly researched position that Alex has, uh, got that he is coming from a movie that he experienced as real.
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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, in many ways I would argue that, uh, man is the.
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Speaker 1: Most dangerous game because it can, it fights back and it's harder to trap. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: So if there's easier game, go for the easier game. And that includes leaves and shit, man. It's not hard. It's not hard. No.
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Speaker 1: And, um, The other thing, too, is you will find a number of examples over history, of course, of people who are in desperate situations who resort to cannibalism. Yes, yeah. And a lot of times.
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Speaker 4: Donner party and such.
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Speaker 1: Sure.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: A lot of those, make those sort of unique are isolation.
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Speaker 4: It's isolation that's really crucial for those.
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It's a lack of other legitimate options. Like somebody who's lost at sea or something. Right, right, right. You might eat somebody.
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Speaker 10: Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: If they were on, perhaps, a road, it would be far easier. The problem for many of these people is that they are trapped in the middle of nowhere with no hope of escape or anywhere.
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Speaker 1: If there's foliage and wildlife, it's substantially easier and better for everyone to not eat people.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's so much better to not eat people.
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Speaker 1: And you don't need to wait 15 days to figure out that.
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Speaker 3: Nope, nope.
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Speaker 1: So dumb. Oh, what a dum-dum.
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Speaker 9: I'm not going to eat any of these goddamn fruits.
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Speaker 1: So Alex has this idea that, and he sort of touched on it in that last clip, and that is this notion that fake violence on TV and seeing it makes you experience it the same way you'd experience real violence. Sure. And I have some thoughts about this.
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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. Somebody who's shocked by images of violence and death, someone setting themselves on fire or blowing their brains out, There's real footage of that out there on the web. Back in Vietnam, people were shocked by the image of children who'd been napalmed with their skin burned off. People were shocked by the image of Vietnamese police blowing a man's head off in the street.
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Speaker 4: That's shocking.
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Speaker 2: But now people are like, big deal. They laugh about it.
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Speaker 9: And they think it's cute.
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Speaker 3: And it's because, A, they don't know history. B, they don't have common sense. And C, they haven't experienced trauma.
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Speaker 2: Wild.
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Speaker 3: And this has all been done by design so that when your neighbors are being abused by the jackbooted thugs or when the CPS is taking your kids, even your own family isn't going to be shocked by it and just accept that bad things happen because the mind sees all this simulated violence on television as real. And so it can't differentiate between facts.
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Speaker 4: Cut off at the break.
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Speaker 1: That clip is really key to me to the point where it's one of the only times I can remember where I'm really disappointed he got cut off by the break. I was kind of interested in where he was going. Here, Alex is lamenting how fake violence on TV is experienced by people as real violence and that desensitizes them to seeing instances of real life violence. I don't know how common that is necessarily as a phenomenon. I bet there is some effect that it has, but I know that I've seen plenty of horror movies in my life and I still pretty much experience depiction of the violence difference than I do actual violence. Pro wrestling is a really good example of this. I can watch people hit each other with chairs and send each other through tables, but if I were watching that being done for real, I would not enjoy it. Anytime it appears that someone has actually hurt themselves in wrestling, reality creeps in and I become worried for the performer. because it's possible to enjoy the narrative depiction of combat and still remember that it's a performer performing. Then there's stuff like the UFC, where people are fighting for real and people are trying to hurt each other. This is still kind of ritualized violence, where everyone watching understands that these are two trained competitors who've agreed to fight each other under specific rules to see who's better at the sport. It's closer to real-world violence, but it's something that's formalized, professional, and both parties have consented to what's going on in the contest. And then there's movies.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 9: Right.
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Speaker 1: Which are just totally fictional.
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Speaker 9: Those are fictional, yes.
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Speaker 1: Most people can tell the difference between these forms of displays of violence and experience them differently, whether that different experience is conscious or subconscious. It seems to me that Alex cannot, and he assumes that because that is his experience, everyone else must also not be able to differentiate between the two. Now here's where this point gets important. Because Alex can't tell the difference between fiction and reality... he can't also tell the difference between reality and fiction. In the same way that he thinks that a fictional movie like The Road depict a legitimate, realistic, cannibal future, he has a tendency to think very real things, like the Sandy Hook shooting, were completely staged. Alex pretends that exposure to fictitious violence has made everyone desensitized to real-world violence, and yet, in my experience, one of the major themes of his show is denying the experiences of people who have experienced the effects of real-world violence because he thinks it's fake.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 1: I think that's an important dynamic to recognize.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, there's that extra level of not just, you know, he can't tell the difference between reality and fiction, and so he assumes everybody else can't tell the difference.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I do think that is part of the dynamic.
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Speaker 4: But that, like, second level of, of course, he can't also not assume that of everyone else, because if he were to realize that other people can easily tell the difference between reality and fiction... that would be an attack upon him personally, or it would tell him that it's possible to tell the difference between reality and fiction. So the only way that he can maintain his psyche through this is by assuming that not only can nobody else tell the difference between reality and fiction, but that he's the only person who can tell you you can't tell the difference between reality and fiction.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, perhaps that is true. Yeah, he's a mess.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a mess.
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Speaker 11: Yep.
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Speaker 4: That's a real bummer.
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Speaker 1: So Alex has another story that's going around, and this is interesting to me because, you know, he's above the political divide, right? Sure. The left-right paradigm is an illusion, and it's all meant to get us all mad at each other and fighting for no reason.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Democrat, left, right, conservative, Republican. meaningless words.
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Speaker 9: All just infighting for no reason.
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Speaker 1: This seems weird. This is 2010.
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Speaker 3: This is a big story at Infowars.com by Curt Nemo. Pennsylvania Homeland Security puts anti-tax protesters on list of terror threats. And we got same reports out of Texas six years ago, listing gun owners, veterans as the number one threat. But because it was Bush's administration doing it, conservative media wouldn't pick up on it.
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Speaker 2: Now that it's Obama....
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Speaker 3: Meet the new boss same as the old boss, like the Who song says. It's like, oh, my gosh, Obama wants to go after conservatives. Folks, you've always been the enemy. Again, I would watch conservative pundits on Fox and listen to them on the radio read from reports that I had. They didn't tell you they were reading a report, but I'd read the reports. We'd covered it here. I knew they were reading federal demonization scripts. Whoever's loading their teleprompter is a globalist. I mean, they're getting a direct government propaganda feed. We know they're bad. It's open and shut.
00:20:54
Speaker 1: So if you understand what he's saying, if you get to the root of what he's saying, when he's trying to make this argument that he's above this sort of left-right, new boss, same as the old boss kind of thing. Sure, sure, sure. He's saying that Obama is targeting conservatives.
00:21:11
Speaker 10: Right.
00:21:12
Speaker 1: In the same way that the conservatives targeted conservatives. Correct.
00:21:17
Speaker 4: Yes.
00:21:18
Speaker 1: The left isn't the target of any of this stuff. It's they are always the victim of no matter what.
00:21:24
Speaker 4: No matter what.
00:21:25
Speaker 1: No matter who's in charge, the enemy of the globalists is these conservatives. Yeah. Like Alex's. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's interesting.
00:21:35
Speaker 4: It's only the only the far right white, but it's only the far white.
00:21:39
Speaker 1: But it's interesting that he can articulate this this idea of like, it doesn't matter who's in charge. They're all the same. But the thing that he's saying that they're all the same about is that. They're all globalists who hate super far-right people like me.
00:21:54
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:21:54
Speaker 9: I mean, essentially, it's like, hey, we don't have any white nationalist candidates.
00:21:58
Speaker 4: And then they got a white nationalist candidate, and they were like, holy shit, this is what we've been wanting the whole time. Yeah.
00:22:03
Speaker 1: And here in 2010, you're starting to see a little bit of the beginning of that materializing into a possibility with the Tea Party being on the rise. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:22:13
Speaker 4: Again, because of whiteness.
00:22:15
Speaker 1: It was a major driver.
00:22:16
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
00:22:17
Speaker 1: Big deal. And coke money.
00:22:18
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:22:19
Speaker 4: Not Koch brother money. Koch brother money.
00:22:22
Speaker 2: Yes.
00:22:23
Speaker 1: So in terms of that, there is something that's going on at this point in September. And that is that Christine O'Donnell was running for the seat in Delaware in the Senate. And there had been a little bit of squabbling. Karl Rove had come out and he'd had an interview that was a little bit critical of O'Donnell. And Alex is not happy about this.
00:22:50
Speaker 3: Here is the New York Times today. GOP leaders say Delaware upset hurts Senate hopefuls. Now, they basically said the same thing about Rand Paul. They sent in Cheney to campaign against him. They put all their money behind the Republican establishment pro bailout candidate. They demonized him, just like the Democrats.
00:23:13
Speaker 1: Are now doing.
00:23:14
Speaker 3: And he's widened his lead against the Democrat in the last few months since he won the primary against the Republican.
00:23:23
Speaker 2: But they said the same thing. Oh, people extreme like.
00:23:26
Speaker 3: Him, and they lied about what he really stood for, he can't win. And so they create this self-fulfilling prophecy of, oh, you can't vote for that candidate because they can't win.
00:23:36
Speaker 2: And now the Republicans... are.
00:23:38
Speaker 3: Creating the hoax with the Democrats that all these different real Tea Party candidates who actually are against the out-of-control spending, the banker bailouts and the rest of it, that they're bad and that they can't win and you need to go for establishment Republicans, the same Republicans that are for Trump. More banker bailouts. The same Republicans that, under Bush, four separate times tried to pass amnesty. The same Republicans like Newt Gingrich who want global carbon taxes and want world government.
00:24:15
Speaker 2: The hoax intensifies. I have the transcript here.
00:24:18
Speaker 3: We're not going to play the entire clip, but it's up on Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com in an article that Paul Watson's written. Anti-establishment fervor, a hammer blow to the Washington elite. But here's a transcript from Fox News from last night. Carl Rove questions Christine O'Donnell's serious character problems.
00:24:41
Speaker 2: And then I have the quotes here.
00:24:43
Speaker 3: They're saying because it took 20 years for her to pay off her student loans that that is deceptive. Again, these serious questions about how does she make her living? Why did she mislead voters about her college education? How come it took nearly two decades to pay her college bills? I've seen numbers of upwards of half of many college students now not paying their loans because they can't.
00:25:05
Speaker 1: Cancel them.
00:25:06
Speaker 3: Right?
00:25:07
Speaker 9: Yeah, that would make sense. Yeah, you're on top of it, Alex. Yeah, you should absolutely cancel student loan debt.
00:25:12
Speaker 4: I think that's Alex's position.
00:25:13
Speaker 1: So first of all, fuck Karl Rove.
00:25:15
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:25:15
Speaker 1: That being said, Rove was just protecting his brand there and everybody's brand. And it's not really anything more interesting than seeing conventional Democrats be resistant to embrace AOC in the present. There's just that tension. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Someone like O'Donnell in particular and the aesthetics of the Tea Party in general were a vast departure from the type of politics that Rove had excelled at for decades. So that obviously would represent a threat to his position in the market, either as a strategist or a commentator on Fox News.
00:25:42
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's keep the depths of our evil quieter, guys. That was Karl Rove's philosophy, I believe.
00:25:49
Speaker 1: In the end, though, Rove was probably right. Christine O'Donnell was unelectable. She finished third in the GOP primary in 2006 after making some pretty offensive comments about the LGBTQ community and lost the 2008 general election to Joe Biden, who was simultaneously running for vice president. She would follow this up by losing the 2010 general election after it came out that she had, quote, dabbled in witchcraft in high school. And then, more to the problem, released this ad.
00:26:19
Speaker 11: I'm not a witch. I'm nothing you've heard.
00:26:23
Speaker 4: I'm you.
00:26:25
Speaker 11: None of us are perfect, but none of us can be happy with what we see all around us. Politicians who think spending... Trading favors and backroom deals are the ways to stay in office. I'll go to Washington and do what you'd do. I'm Christine O'Donnell, and I approve this message.
00:26:46
Speaker 3: I'm you.
00:26:47
Speaker 1: I was really hoping she'd say I'm not a witch.
00:26:48
Speaker 9: I wanted her to say I'm not a witch at the end.
00:26:51
Speaker 4: Just to reiterate. As a reminder, I'm not a witch. Just to double down on that, not a witch here.
00:26:57
Speaker 1: Obviously, I don't care if someone messed around with some witch shit. Of course not. Some of the coolest people I know have spent some time in that waterproof I don't care, but man, Republican voters sure do. It's one thing to have dabbled in witchcraft in your past when you're trying to run for office, but it's another thing to cut an ad that starts by saying, I'm not a witch. That's so goofy and embarrassing from a political strategy perspective that anyone who would do that is someone you shouldn't trust to make good decisions. It's either an indication of them having bad instincts or being surrounded by people who have bad instincts, and neither is a good option. This 2010 midterm and the Tea Party candidates that came into office with it were a warning of the future we were heading toward. It's not surprising to look back at 2010 and see Alex supporting someone like Christine O'Donnell and then flash forward to today to see him backing Marjorie Taylor Greene. Yeah, this is what he does.
00:27:43
Speaker 10: Yep.
00:27:44
Speaker 1: The issues about O'Donnell's college history and loans probably sound like petty issues, but the point Karl Rove was making was more that the way that O'Donnell was addressing these questions about her history didn't come off as convincing. For instance, as early as 2006, she claimed to be a graduate of Fairleigh Dickinson University, but actually didn't complete her degree until September 2010. The reason for the delay had first been claimed to be a student loan-related issue, like a delay because of that.
00:28:10
Speaker 5: Sure, sure, sure.
00:28:11
Speaker 1: But then the story became that she had to finish an outstanding elective course before she could get her degree. Rove was expressing on Fox News that if she was going to win, she would have to be more forthright. He said exactly that. Quote, She can't get away with simply saying my answer is on my website or it's puzzling to me why the IRS would file a lien for me when I didn't pay my taxes in 2005. I mean, she's got to be more honest than that. If she does, she's got a shot to win. But it's got to be passionate and factual and hard hitting.
00:28:37
Speaker 4: Yeah. You know, and I think the very see, you should have somebody like me if you're going to cut a political ad, because if you open with I'm not a witch. The reasonable person's response is, that's just what a witch would say.
00:28:51
Speaker 2: Right.
00:28:52
Speaker 9: I know witches aren't real.
00:28:54
Speaker 4: But my first thought when she said, I'm not a witch, is like, oh, that's a witch talking right there.
00:28:58
Speaker 1: That's a witch.
00:28:59
Speaker 4: I haven't seen a witch before.
00:29:01
Speaker 1: And I think anybody with just a little bit of political instincts or any awareness of how the media cycle works is like, you're going to get piled on for that.
00:29:11
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:29:12
Speaker 1: Leave it alone. Don't say, I'm not a witch.
00:29:14
Speaker 4: Eh, don't worry about it. So easy to ignore.
00:29:17
Speaker 1: Cut an ad about how compassionate you are and how you care about the needs of the people of Delaware. Don't open. Don't get ahead of the witch story.
00:29:26
Speaker 9: I got to get out in front of this witch thing.
00:29:28
Speaker 4: If I don't do this, they'll think I'm still a witch. I think that's what's really funny about that is Christine O'Donnell's name immediately popped up. There was a space in my brain.
00:29:40
Speaker 9: For it but i wasn't 100 sure and then you.
00:29:42
Speaker 4: Said witch and i was like oh yeah i remember that i remember that i remember that witch yep so alex doesn't really actually know all that much about her but he's decided to defend her just because he likes who doesn't seem to like.
00:29:55
Speaker 2: Her now i don't know this lady from the.
00:29:59
Speaker 3: Out of a barn but the fact that.
00:30:02
Speaker 9: The system is attacking.
00:30:04
Speaker 3: Her the fact that the system is demonizing her the fact that they have the republicans and democrats coming out against her i mean that tells.
00:30:14
Speaker 1: You all you need to know so yeah alex is just like defiant basically yeah but you know anti-reason yeah but you know what's funny is like Why isn't Alex talking about how she's a witch? He seems to hate witches.
00:30:25
Speaker 4: He hates witches.
00:30:26
Speaker 1: It's because that clip doesn't come out until two days after this episode. Oh, boy. Not the clip that we played, but the information about her dabbling in witchcraft. About her being a witch, yeah. Bill Maher plays that two days later. Jesus. It sets off the witch news cycle.
00:30:46
Speaker 4: That's so funny.
00:30:47
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Alex gets around to playing the clip of Rove... talking on Fox News. And I think this is really interesting because Alex sets it up pretty poorly.
00:30:58
Speaker 3: And so let's go ahead and play a short clip of Karl Rove, you know, really demonizing this poor lady and just repeating that talking point over and over again that she has serious character problems. And then when you actually go find out what those character problems are.
00:31:14
Speaker 2: He just uses that term.
00:31:15
Speaker 3: When you actually find out what they are, It took her 20 years to pay off her student loans, and she had an $ 11, 000 lien on her from the IRS.
00:31:24
Speaker 2: No due process. They just slapped it on her. Here it is.
00:31:27
Speaker 1: You know what?
00:31:27
Speaker 12: If you vote for cap and tax and you have an opponent that says they wouldn't, then they have a choice.
00:31:33
Speaker 5: They have an option.
00:31:34
Speaker 12: So I think it was very substantive, very based on issues, very based on the voting record of one and the promised voting record of another.
00:31:41
Speaker 13: You know, again, you're making my case. This was about Mike Castle's bad votes. It does conservatives little good to support candidates who, at the end of the day, while they may be conservative in their public statements, do not evince the characteristics of rectitude and truthfulness and sincerity and character that the voters are looking for.
00:32:03
Speaker 2: She doesn't show rectitude.
00:32:06
Speaker 3: This is a guy up there, high and mighty, saying, I tell you who has rectitude. I tell you who is morally good. I tell you who you could vote for and who you can't. I'm the grand poobah. I'm the high priest.
00:32:19
Speaker 2: I'm going to.
00:32:20
Speaker 3: Tell you Republicans what you can and can't do. You need to stay on the Karl Rove reservation because I am morally of high rectitude.
00:32:28
Speaker 2: This is the guy lying about WMDs.
00:32:30
Speaker 1: So what you have is Alex introduces this clip in a way that the clip doesn't actually reflect what he's saying.
00:32:35
Speaker 10: Yeah.
00:32:36
Speaker 1: And Karl Rove is actually making a fair point in terms of the context of this conversation. Sure. That is, there's some kind of non-forthrightness that's going on. Yeah. And that is not great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so in order for Alex to deal with the clip that's played, he attacks the messenger. He's just... look, fuck Karl Rove, I don't care, but saying fuck him and saying he lied about weapons of mass destruction doesn't deal with the issue that he brings up. Totally.
00:33:00
Speaker 4: Yeah, that just points, oh, oh my god, you're all liars. What a shock!
00:33:04
Speaker 1: Holy shit! If I were a snarky debate kid online, I would say that is a Ooh, this is a personal attack. This is ad hominem.
00:33:14
Speaker 4: We don't even bother.
00:33:17
Speaker 1: And I have scored a point.
00:33:19
Speaker 11: Yes.
00:33:20
Speaker 1: Or whatever. But that's what you can do whenever. I mean, the audience enjoys it.
00:33:25
Speaker 10: Yeah.
00:33:26
Speaker 1: I think you even kind of enjoy it.
00:33:28
Speaker 4: Enjoy what?
00:33:29
Speaker 1: Just piling on Karl Rove.
00:33:31
Speaker 4: Oh, fuck that guy.
00:33:32
Speaker 10: Yeah.
00:33:33
Speaker 1: It's all right.
00:33:35
Speaker 4: I don't have any skin in that game. I just like to see any shit piled on Karl Rove is a good day for me.
00:33:41
Speaker 1: Sure.
00:33:42
Speaker 10: Yeah.
00:33:42
Speaker 1: So in this next clip, we see Alex doing something we saw recently on another, I believe, time travel episode that we did. We saw him... pretending to discover the strategy of Google bombing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so he's going to start a Google bomb. Okay, of course.
00:33:56
Speaker 3: So we're going to have a new search term today. We haven't done this in a week or so. We're going to have a new search term. We're going to make number one today, thanks to all of you. This will be the 21st search term we've done. Every time it's become number one. Google search the term Gates death panels. Gates Death Panels with an S. Gates Death Panels. Just search those three words in Google, in Yahoo, in every major search engine. Do it over and over again and send the story out to everyone and click on the story.
00:34:25
Speaker 2: And it's already the number one link.
00:34:26
Speaker 3: If you type in Bill Gates Death Panels on Google News, our story is already number one. paul watson's article from yesterday and so uh we're going to push this out as the number one search term and then hundreds of newspapers and blogs as you've seen will then go click on our story to find out what it's about.
00:34:43
Speaker 2: They'll research it they'll write about.
00:34:45
Speaker 3: It it'll cause another chain reaction so bill gates is who we're going after today.
00:34:51
Speaker 1: And for the next 11 years.
00:34:52
Speaker 4: Wow wow oh boy yeah.
00:34:56
Speaker 1: Okay It's interesting to think about the 11 years intermediate, the different careers Alex and Bill Gates have had.
00:35:04
Speaker 9: Yeah, they've gone on separate paths.
00:35:06
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:35:07
Speaker 9: There was a moment where they could have come together, you know?
00:35:10
Speaker 1: Things really diverged.
00:35:11
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
00:35:12
Speaker 9: You know, it's one of those, I took the path less trod, you know? That kind of thing.
00:35:17
Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah.
00:35:17
Speaker 1: So Alex takes calls, and a lot of it ends up being about vaccines. Sure. And a caller, right?
00:35:23
Speaker 4: Of course it is, because you're a witch, Dan.
00:35:25
Speaker 1: Uh-huh. So this caller, his kid is scheduled to be vaccinated. Sure. And so Alex has a way to– he has a bad metaphor.
00:35:37
Speaker 4: That's kind of what I was thinking.
00:35:38
Speaker 14: I just wanted to thank you for what you do. You're my hero. First of all, I just wanted to say that. I'm really nervous, so I apologize. I have a two-month-old son. He's our first child, and he's about to get his shots. He's scheduled to get them this week. for the vaccines and stuff like that.
00:35:59
Speaker 3: You know, it's kind of like Jews were scheduled to get on trains and go to Dachau and Auschwitz. And they're just like, oh, it's your scheduling. It's your time to ride the carousel in Logan's Run.
00:36:10
Speaker 2: I mean, just because.
00:36:13
Speaker 3: They say it's scheduled. I mean, did they take his blood at birth for the Pentagon database?
00:36:19
Speaker 14: I think so. I'm not real sure.
00:36:21
Speaker 2: No, I mean, if he was born in a hospital, they did.
00:36:23
Speaker 13: So.
00:36:25
Speaker 1: Oh, boy. Yeah. So that's the tone that he's coming at this caller with. The caller's just saying that the child is scheduled to have some vaccinations. He's like, oh, like Jewish people in World War II going on trains. They were scheduled.
00:36:40
Speaker 4: You know, I really like not having measles. And I think my childhood was better from not having measles.
00:36:47
Speaker 1: What about all the polio you had?
00:36:49
Speaker 4: It felt great to not have polio.
00:36:52
Speaker 1: And, of course, you died of the whooping cough.
00:36:55
Speaker 2: Right.
00:36:55
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:36:55
Speaker 9: Well, that was a struggle.
00:36:57
Speaker 1: That was tough.
00:36:58
Speaker 4: We did make it through that as a unit. I think that's great. 17 of your siblings died of tetanus.
00:37:04
Speaker 9: Doesn't it seem like that should be an easier sell?
00:37:08
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:37:08
Speaker 4: Like, hey, you know how we don't have polio? That's because of the vaccines.
00:37:13
Speaker 1: So just fucking take them. I think Alex thinks it's because of hand washing or something.
00:37:16
Speaker 4: That really bothers me. It really bothers me. He thinks it's because of fucking witches and people being good for a while or whatever.
00:37:23
Speaker 1: It's more or less about witches.
00:37:24
Speaker 4: Bums me out.
00:37:25
Speaker 1: Yep. But it's important to see the way this tone works. So he starts out the call and the guy just says that his kid is scheduled. And Alex immediately compares it to trains in the Holocaust. Right, right, right, right. Then he tries to sort of play reasonable a little bit.
00:37:42
Speaker 3: But going back to vaccines, it's a decision you have to make.
00:37:47
Speaker 2: The Japanese, it's.
00:37:48
Speaker 3: Got to be more than a decade ago, made a rule, no vaccination until age two because they found completely that this stuff causes neurological problems, autoimmune problems, but it's much worse when a little bitty baby has all these shots going in them. By the time they grow up and get bigger and get some cognitive development, It won't stunt them as much.
00:38:09
Speaker 1: So now Alex is trying to play that, hey, everybody's got to make their own decision, and then immediately jumps to this story about Japan, which is a complete lie. In 1994, Japan amended a law that made vaccines mandatory, and they amended this, making instead, quote, it was more of a civic duty than a strict legal obligation, according to the AFP. The World Health Organization stats from 2018 reflect a vaccination rate of 99% for tetanus, diphtheria, and pertussis in one-year-old Japanese children and 97% for the same age group with the polio vaccine. Alex is just making shit up to demonize vaccination, but it's important to pay attention to that way that he's trying to frame things. You know, the caller brings this up. compares it to the Holocaust. Hey, everybody's got to make their own decision, but also here's a lie about Japanese people.
00:38:59
Speaker 7: Okay, so if 99%, 97% of Japanese babies, then we can look back and see if his numbers make sense 25 years later or whatever it is, and they don't.
00:39:11
Speaker 9: So can't we be done then?
00:39:13
Speaker 1: Well, we can't because Alex is now- But I want to be done with anti-vax. No, because Alex has said that everybody needs to make up their own mind.
00:39:20
Speaker 4: What if we have proof of concept from Japan?
00:39:24
Speaker 1: Well, look, everybody's got to make up their own mind with the caller. And so this caller is still on the line. This is fucked up. This is not what you do when you want someone to make up their own mind.
00:39:34
Speaker 2: Does that answer your question?
00:39:36
Speaker 14: Yeah, I really, really appreciate that. I appreciate your time. I guess I'm just not going to do it.
00:39:42
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean.
00:39:43
Speaker 15: But when he becomes old.
00:39:44
Speaker 14: Enough to go to school, I mean, would that be a problem?
00:39:47
Speaker 3: Yes, they are criminals. They are hardcore criminals. Again, they lie to you and say it's the law. He must take the shots. They lied to you and said there wasn't mercury until we forced it out in the open. And now they say, OK, mercury's there. It's good for you. Then they're going to lie when he goes in school and say it's the law. Your child can't be in the school without shots. And you say, I know you've got the waiver. It's not even a law, but it's a waiver to a non-law. I know you've got a waiver that I'm supposed to fill out so they make a list of you, but courts have even shown you can not even do that. And then they'll lie to you again because they're getting money when they hit your kid with a weapon from the feds. That's tied to the federal money they're given.
00:40:24
Speaker 2: They have quotas.
00:40:25
Speaker 3: They've got to get 97 percent or more vaccinated or they don't get their money. Then the school nurse or the principal is going to lie and say there's no such thing. And then you can already have Googled your state, you're calling from Tennessee, Tennessee vaccine waiver, conscientious objector, religious objector. And you can go, really, principal or assistant principal, here's the waiver for Tennessee.
00:40:47
Speaker 2: You lied to me.
00:40:49
Speaker 3: And see, you'll know you're there with a hardcore liar.
00:40:52
Speaker 2: Again, lying trash.
00:40:54
Speaker 3: An entire government and corporate system trained to lie. And these teachers take their kids and inject them with the mercury, too. And they love the fact that in many schools, a third of the school is now special ed. And there's just giant warehouses of children wearing football helmets, literally, because they bump their heads in the walls and in wheelchairs and in diapers and And they put taser belts around them in the public schools now.
00:41:18
Speaker 2: When they don't mind, they zap them. And they love it. They just love all of it.
00:41:21
Speaker 3: And soon the whole school will be in the corner drooling. And by that point, they can just start euthanizing everyone. They are just savagely, chemically hurting us as bad as they can so they can make us submit and then just come in and have the helicopters fly over and spray the nerve gas and kill everybody. They're just getting everybody ready for that. Okay, that's hardcore truth, buddy. Listen, those are criminals when they lie to you and try to force those vaccines.
00:41:46
Speaker 2: You understand that?
00:41:47
Speaker 14: Yeah, I do.
00:41:49
Speaker 2: Okay, I appreciate your call. I mean, this isn't a game, ladies and gentlemen.
00:41:53
Speaker 1: Everybody's got to make up their own mind. Make up your own mind.
00:41:56
Speaker 4: Make up your own mind.
00:41:57
Speaker 6: I mean, they're trying to murder you in your fucking bed, you coward. They're trying to kill you and they're lying to you. But everybody's got to make up their own mind about vaccine. Look, everybody's got their own choice to make between.
00:42:08
Speaker 4: Getting murdered in their own bed and being a heroic patriot who gives me money. It's a simple choice.
00:42:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, Joe Rogan's on this episode of this show. Maybe we should never have expected all that much from it. That would have made sense. That would have made sense. Oh, well, we get another caller. And this is just for good, clean fun. This is a little bit of parsley. OK, this dude's asking about a JFK documentary.
00:42:30
Speaker 8: All right.
00:42:30
Speaker 1: If Alex has seen it. And then we find that Alex doesn't know a very important bit of trivia about JFK. Now, he fancies himself kind of like a guy who knows a lot about the conspiracy. Sure, sure, sure.
00:42:41
Speaker 9: He's a conspiracy guy.
00:42:44
Speaker 1: It's kind of rough that he doesn't know this bit of it's kind of a big one, right?
00:42:48
Speaker 15: It's incredible, deep, deep. You should watch it. It's revealing. Even some of the attorneys that were defending the guy who took over JFK's position, now I can't remember his name, when they assassinated him. Who was the next person, the vice president, who took over? I can't remember his name now.
00:43:06
Speaker 2: Well, it was Robert Kennedy.
00:43:09
Speaker 3: What?
00:43:09
Speaker 10: Yeah.
00:43:10
Speaker 15: And well, of course, he was the attorney general. Who was JFK's vice president?
00:43:16
Speaker 2: Boy, I'm having a moment here. I should know that.
00:43:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should.
00:43:19
Speaker 4: Yeah, you should fucking know who LB goddamn Jay is.
00:43:24
Speaker 1: This is a big part of the conspiracy, isn't it?
00:43:26
Speaker 9: He's the reason.
00:43:27
Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
00:43:29
Speaker 4: LBJ is probably one of the biggest reasons that Alex hates the left anyways.
00:43:34
Speaker 3: Totally.
00:43:34
Speaker 4: Because it's because of LBJ that we got the Civil Rights Act through there.
00:43:38
Speaker 9: So, I mean, not because of him. He fought tooth and nail for a long time.
00:43:41
Speaker 1: He was a part of the actual history. Yeah, that's weird. Alex does eventually remember LBJ, and then he tries to pretend that he just couldn't come up with Humphrey, who was LBJ's vice president. Wow. Wow, buddy. Wow, dude. That's brutal. I understand if you take a little bit of a second, but that's too long.
00:44:01
Speaker 4: Yeah, and especially for LBJ, who's kind of a big figure in American history.
00:44:07
Speaker 1: And a big figure in JFK assassination conspiracy theories.
00:44:10
Speaker 4: Totally. Totally. In fact, one of the many people suspected of JFK's murder.
00:44:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
00:44:19
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:44:19
Speaker 5: Weird.
00:44:20
Speaker 1: So now we get to the point of the episode where we get the introduction of Joseph Rogan and Edward Bravo. Oh, boy. It's interesting. They have a different vibe back then.
00:44:31
Speaker 10: Oh, yeah?
00:44:32
Speaker 1: Well, maybe not. Joe's definitely high.
00:44:34
Speaker 4: Wow. That's nice.
00:44:36
Speaker 1: That's good to know. But this is really awkward. It's really, really awkward.
00:44:42
Speaker 3: Well, it's good having you here, and it was good seeing you last night. There's so much to talk about. Obviously, Joe Rogan of NewsRadio, Fear Factor, The Man Show, the list goes on and on, UFC Ultimate Fighting Championship.
00:44:53
Speaker 2: You've been doing that pretty much since the start, haven't you?
00:44:56
Speaker 8: I started working for the UFC in 1997.
00:44:58
Speaker 5: I was the post-fight interviewer.
00:45:02
Speaker 2: So 13 years.
00:45:02
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been a long time.
00:45:05
Speaker 3: In fact, I remember like in 99 talking to you and you're like, man, this UFC is going to be huge. And I never even heard of it. It's going to be bigger than the NFL.
00:45:12
Speaker 5: Yeah, everybody was like, what are you talking about? You're crazy. Yeah, it's now look at its giant. And it's in Austin, Texas, Alex Jones. It's right here.
00:45:23
Speaker 3: You know, when I was with Ventura last week, one of the guys from the company that does stuff for UFC was there and he was going to interview Brock Lesnar right after that when he was on the shoot with us. It's old Brock's back bigger than ever, huh?
00:45:34
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:35
Speaker 4: That was great.
00:45:36
Speaker 1: It's not as electric as some of this present day stuff. And I think it's because Alex is sober. I think there is a markedly different chemistry.
00:45:49
Speaker 4: They might need something to grease the wheels on this.
00:45:52
Speaker 9: There might need to be some grease on these wheels.
00:45:55
Speaker 4: That's possible.
00:45:56
Speaker 1: Holy shit this is not what i expected.
00:45:59
Speaker 4: Because in terms of chemistry there's a chemical missing if you will yeah yeah ethanol yeah.
00:46:07
Speaker 1: Alex is sitting here with eddie and joe all of the the human elements are there for the record-setting most listened to podcast ever.
00:46:18
Speaker 4: In human history hundreds of millions of people have listened and then the sequel that set the world on fire.
00:46:23
Speaker 9: On fire And it is just trash. You gotta be drunk.
00:46:27
Speaker 1: It's so bad.
00:46:28
Speaker 4: You gotta be in Rogan's house and you gotta be a half of a fifth through.
00:46:32
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:46:33
Speaker 1: I think there's some funny stuff to get into. And I think one, like, really gigantic lie that Alex tells that I think is interesting. But this is a case of me getting hoisted on my own petard. I legitimately thought it would be fun.
00:46:45
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:46:46
Speaker 1: And it's kind of... It's kind of a dud.
00:46:49
Speaker 5: Well, no.
00:46:50
Speaker 1: It's not. It's a fine interview for the most part.
00:46:53
Speaker 3: Sure.
00:46:53
Speaker 16: Like.
00:46:54
Speaker 1: rogan's high yeah and so like alex is talking about like oh we were talking last night you told me something really interesting and it's clearly that rogan was like trying to spitball maybe he was working on a joke sure or something sure and alex takes it as like a real point oh no.
00:47:09
Speaker 3: Last night you were really making a lot of points that i thought were right on uh let's let's get into the red button The red button. You were talking about how if there's a red button, they're going to hit it.
00:47:19
Speaker 8: Well, you know, what I was saying is that I believe that all human behavior is natural, just like I believe that all animal behavior is natural. Bees make beehives and ants make ant hills. These are all natural things. Humans are far more complex, but we don't think of ourselves as being natural, that we're moving in a natural direction. And I think that human beings and human society, especially with technology, I think we create technology and innovation.
00:47:47
Speaker 5: That's what we're here for.
00:47:48
Speaker 8: And it's very possible that what human beings are here for is to make some new reality, make some new technological innovation that's going to change the world. And it could be a Big Bang machine. It could be a time machine. It could be just some incredible discovery, something that they're going to invent eventually. And if they keep going with things like the Large Hadron Collider, they're not going to stop there. They're going to use whatever findings that they get from the Large Hadron Collider to If it doesn't blow up the world and they're going to try the next thing.
00:48:19
Speaker 5: Well, what happens now? The goal is blow up the world.
00:48:21
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know what the goal is.
00:48:23
Speaker 8: I mean, that's just the joke. The joke is that we're here to make the Big Bang machine and that there's a reset button that gets pressed every 15 billion years and that these intelligent monkeys get to a point where they break down matter and try to figure out what is at the center of the universe. And they press that button and it restarts all over again.
00:48:39
Speaker 5: I mean, who knows? It's just speculation.
00:48:41
Speaker 2: Wow.
00:48:42
Speaker 1: Wow.
00:48:44
Speaker 4: Heavy, man.
00:48:45
Speaker 7: Some good shit, man.
00:48:46
Speaker 1: Heavy. Some good shit.
00:48:48
Speaker 4: I think Douglas Adams put it better that if the question and the answer were ever known, then the universe would be destroyed and replaced by something weirder.
00:48:56
Speaker 9: It was a lot simpler and.
00:48:58
Speaker 4: A lot more quick.
00:48:58
Speaker 1: But, I mean, like, that kind of a thing is like, yeah, I could imagine getting high with someone... Like a lot of the people I knew in college and having almost identical conversations. Yeah, 100%. There's nothing wrong with that. That's fine.
00:49:11
Speaker 9: No, we've moved on to simulation theory now. It's the same basic thing.
00:49:13
Speaker 1: But that's a fine place for Joe to exist.
00:49:16
Speaker 11: Yeah.
00:49:17
Speaker 1: That is like, okay, he's the like older brother who's into weed right but maybe you've only stolen a few beers sure at this point in your development right right opening your mind spectrum right right right you know and and that can be useful in people's lives that can that can open up your your brain to new vistas yeah.
00:49:36
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:49:36
Speaker 9: It's like Val Kilmer in Real Genius.
00:49:38
Speaker 1: It's just not that deep. And then it's also clearly, you can tell that Joe was talking about this as some kind of like an idea. Yeah. It has the structure of a Rogan bit.
00:49:50
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:49:51
Speaker 1: It has the structure of something you could see him doing on stage. And Alex is like, yeah, man, you know, it is an interesting idea that humans are trying to make.
00:50:00
Speaker 9: They're trying to kill us all.
00:50:01
Speaker 4: That's just how we're supposed to do it.
00:50:04
Speaker 1: It's, again, not being able to parse out the, like, reality and sort of. Yeah.
00:50:08
Speaker 4: You can't have jokes if you don't realize the transgression over reality.
00:50:12
Speaker 10: Nope.
00:50:13
Speaker 4: That's why his humor is so terrible.
00:50:14
Speaker 15: Yeah.
00:50:15
Speaker 1: So Alex now gets to trying to plug some Eddie Bravo's jujitsu business.
00:50:20
Speaker 2: Guys, both of you, fire out your websites.
00:50:23
Speaker 5: JoeRogan.net. TenthPlanetJJ.com.
00:50:27
Speaker 2: TenthPlanet.
00:50:28
Speaker 14: JJ.
00:50:29
Speaker 2: Jujitsu.
00:50:29
Speaker 5: Yep.
00:50:30
Speaker 3: Man, I see your 10th Planet shirts and stuff everywhere. Really? Yeah, I'm all over the country, and I'll see people wearing 10th Planet stuff or talking about it.
00:50:38
Speaker 2: It's incredible. Well, how many gyms do you have?
00:50:40
Speaker 7: 25, I think.
00:50:43
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:50:43
Speaker 2: Something like that. Well, aren't you one of the best-known jiu-jitsu teachers?
00:50:49
Speaker 8: He won't toot his own horn, so I'll say yes. He's one of the most innovative and important jiu-jitsu instructors in the country. Sounds like BS because he's my best friend, but it really is true.
00:51:00
Speaker 5: He's one of the most important.
00:51:02
Speaker 8: He just smokes a lot of weed and comes up with crazy jiu-jitsu moves, and it turns out they work.
00:51:08
Speaker 5: And I'm also.
00:51:09
Speaker 16: Known as a conspiracy theorist freak.
00:51:11
Speaker 2: That's right.
00:51:13
Speaker 5: He's more of a conspiracy theorist freak than me.
00:51:16
Speaker 1: Eddie sounds kind of fun. I'm a freak.
00:51:20
Speaker 4: I'm a conspiracy freak, man. That's why I'm here.
00:51:23
Speaker 1: But he also has to introduce that to the proceeding. The energy is off. Yeah.
00:51:30
Speaker 9: It seems like.
00:51:32
Speaker 4: Eddie or Alex should have just been like, let's do some conspiracy theories.
00:51:36
Speaker 9: That's what we're here for.
00:51:37
Speaker 1: Well, Eddie tries. Yeah. Eddie tries to push in that direction.
00:51:40
Speaker 11: Right.
00:51:40
Speaker 4: But Alex can't because Eddie is a no one to him, whereas he's got to talk to Joe, the big star or whatever it is.
00:51:47
Speaker 1: It's less of that. And I think it's more that like he's not fucked up and he doesn't want to.
00:51:52
Speaker 4: That's fair.
00:51:53
Speaker 1: I just think it's that he's not fucked up.
00:51:54
Speaker 4: It might get too weird.
00:51:55
Speaker 1: Yeah. Although I just looked it up. It turns out that Rogan's podcast has started by this point. Okay. It started in December 2009. So he's almost a year in to the Rogan experience at this point. Yeah. So Alex is... They get to talking about... Eddie wants to know about the troops... uh, and the like, uh, drug trade with opium in Afghanistan. All right. Okay. Okay. Okay. One of his, one of his like, uh, I, it's like, how do they make money on that?
00:52:27
Speaker 9: How do they make money selling drugs?
00:52:29
Speaker 1: Sure. Well, but I mean, like, how does the actual process work? Oh, okay.
00:52:32
Speaker 3: Okay.
00:52:33
Speaker 1: Okay. And we never do get an answer on it. Well, naturally, but, This next clip I think is fascinating because it is the behavior that you see on the Joe Rogan experience whenever Alex is a guest being carried out by Joe 11 years prior.
00:52:49
Speaker 2: It's flowing out.
00:52:50
Speaker 1: And the U.S.
00:52:50
Speaker 3: Troops protect the opium. They put this on the news because if they don't, Al Qaeda will get the money.
00:52:56
Speaker 1: And no, no, no.
00:52:56
Speaker 2: I'm serious.
00:52:57
Speaker 3: I mean, I played a clip of Fox News or all those things, how patriotic it is to grow opium. What?
00:53:03
Speaker 5: You think I'm joking. Come on.
00:53:04
Speaker 2: Guys, cue it up.
00:53:05
Speaker 5: Oh, let's see this.
00:53:06
Speaker 3: You're only here for an hour because you've got to go at the weigh-ins at 2.30.
00:53:11
Speaker 5: Yes, but I have to see that.
00:53:12
Speaker 1: So he calls him on it.
00:53:14
Speaker 12: Yeah.
00:53:14
Speaker 1: He calls Alex on this.
00:53:16
Speaker 4: Show me this video then.
00:53:17
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
00:53:18
Speaker 1: So they start playing the clip, but Joe and Eddie don't have headphones.
00:53:23
Speaker 16: Alex, but how do the Americans get paid for the opium is what I'm saying.
00:53:27
Speaker 5: How does that work?
00:53:28
Speaker 2: It gets the, okay, 1999. Roberto Rivera.
00:53:31
Speaker 10: Yep.
00:53:32
Speaker 5: Can we hear him?
00:53:33
Speaker 3: You guys would have to have headphones on. Look, I just played it yesterday. During the break, I'll play it for you.
00:53:39
Speaker 2: How's that sound? Sounds good. Okay, the listeners have seen it.
00:53:41
Speaker 11: Exactly.
00:53:42
Speaker 5: Word for word.
00:53:42
Speaker 2: Roberto Rivera's a shill.
00:53:46
Speaker 1: Is he a shill?
00:53:47
Speaker 4: I don't know.
00:53:48
Speaker 8: He was the guy who introduced the he was the one who had the Zapruder film first on television.
00:53:53
Speaker 3: The word is he knows all about this stuff. But yeah, at Fox News, he didn't really get into it. What did he say? He goes, I'm out here with the colonel and they're out here helping them grow the opium.
00:54:02
Speaker 2: And the colonel's like, that's right. We give them the seeds and the fertilizer.
00:54:06
Speaker 5: What?
00:54:07
Speaker 1: Here's the actual clip that Alex is talking about.
00:54:10
Speaker 10: That is the principal crop that is being grown here. The Taliban lend the farmers the money. They are indebted to the Taliban. They have to grow the opium.
00:54:19
Speaker 9: Now the Marines in their.
00:54:21
Speaker 10: Success are in a sense a victim of their success because now the population is, you know, they have these opium fields.
00:54:29
Speaker 5: And we are tolerating it. We are tolerating the cultivation of.
00:54:32
Speaker 10: The opium because we know that if we were to destroy it now, the population would turn against the Marines and it would be a real security risk. Let me introduce Lieutenant Colonel Brian Christmas. He's the commanding officer of the 3rd Battalion, 6th Marines. Really a wonderful group of Marines here. I know that you care deeply about this contradiction, the fact that here you have one of the best fighting forces in the world ever mounted. And in a sense, you're watching as this opium is being grown.
00:55:00
Speaker 1: I know it grinds at your gut.
00:55:03
Speaker 4: How do you deal with it? What are you doing about it?
00:55:05
Speaker 5: Well, frankly, this is a part of their culture.
00:55:07
Speaker 17: So while it might grind in my gut, it's what they do. We provide them security, we're providing them resources, and we're providing them alternatives. And the alternatives are different crops to grow. They're getting the seed and the fertilizer to do it.
00:55:20
Speaker 1: So when Alex says the guy's talking about giving them seed and fertilizer, he's talking about alternative crops that they can grow instead of poppy, but that just taking all of their poppy or destroying the fields wouldn't be productive to the mission that he's trying to undertake. So Alex goes to commercial and he shows Joe this clip.
00:55:40
Speaker 3: Right.
00:55:41
Speaker 1: Presumably Joe's seen it and he is either too dumb or Alex showed him a completely edited version of it.
00:55:49
Speaker 8: Well, that is a fascinating piece of video footage with Geraldo Rivera, you know, in the poppy or with the soldiers talking about the poppy fields and how they're protecting them and providing them fertilizer and helping them grow it.
00:56:01
Speaker 12: Yeah.
00:56:01
Speaker 5: I mean, that's incredible.
00:56:03
Speaker 1: I mean, it's outrageous. If you go and actually watch this, like the context of it is really clear.
00:56:09
Speaker 10: So you think that, you know, we were at the market and everywhere we go, they're selling these little devices.
00:56:14
Speaker 1: Take a shot of this, Greg.
00:56:16
Speaker 2: They're hand-carved.
00:56:17
Speaker 10: These are the little devices they use to scrape the opium sap off the plant. And I watched as you bought every one that was for sale because you care so deeply.
00:56:28
Speaker 1: Why did you do that?
00:56:29
Speaker 5: Well, I'm off the street.
00:56:30
Speaker 17: The idea is that we don't want to harvest the poppy. We want to and hopefully turn the poppy over and put some wheat, cotton, watermelon, cucumber. It's all great stuff they grow out here. We just want to see that come to fruition and the poppy.
00:56:43
Speaker 1: Just to go away. It's completely counter to the context that Alex... is describing it in. And it's also counter to the context that Joe has been convinced of.
00:56:52
Speaker 4: We want to see the poppy go away is a very hard sentence to avoid when your argument is they're helping them grow it to kill Americans.
00:57:01
Speaker 1: And when Alex says specifically, they're giving them the seed and the fertilizer. And when you look at that clip, it's specifically seed and fertilizer in the context of other crops that they can grow instead.
00:57:12
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:57:12
Speaker 1: So it's, This behavior is so consistent throughout Joe Rogan's career with Alex that I just don't... I can't believe that it's not... I don't know what to think about it. He can't stop himself from being.
00:57:29
Speaker 4: Yeah. He's too credulous towards a guy who has.
00:57:32
Speaker 9: Been lying to him since they met.
00:57:34
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:57:35
Speaker 4: It's wild.
00:57:36
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like... it's believable. No, it's not, it's not believable.
00:57:41
Speaker 4: It's hard to, it's, I can't square the idea that he is not in on it in some fashion.
00:57:46
Speaker 2: Yes.
00:57:47
Speaker 4: This is not unfathomable.
00:57:48
Speaker 9: You can't not be at least a little bit in on it.
00:57:50
Speaker 1: This level of being duped.
00:57:52
Speaker 8: Yeah.
00:57:53
Speaker 1: But like it's, Like, it would have to show up in all of his other relationships, too. Totally, totally. No, no, no.
00:58:01
Speaker 4: Everybody has to either be taking advantage of him or he's in on it in some way.
00:58:06
Speaker 1: But honestly, I don't think that that's too unbelievable. No, that's not. I mean, look at the people he's had on his show in the past. You have that Dave Seaman guy who's a big Pizzagate dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You had Dave Rubin was on a bunch. Steven Crowder.
00:58:19
Speaker 9: Wasn't the Molyneux on there one time?
00:58:21
Speaker 7: Molyneux?
00:58:22
Speaker 4: A couple times.
00:58:22
Speaker 9: A couple times.
00:58:23
Speaker 1: I think a couple times.
00:58:24
Speaker 10: Jesus, brutal. Yeah.
00:58:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I think that there is a decent chance that maybe he is pathologically gullible.
00:58:29
Speaker 4: He's just too gullible.
00:58:31
Speaker 1: But then you'd think it would show up in his relationships with people like the closer folks, like Inari Shafir or Tom Segura or Bert Kreischer.
00:58:40
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean, that's why comics hang around with other comics. We don't know what you normal people are doing. We don't know what's.
00:58:46
Speaker 9: Going on with you guys.
00:58:47
Speaker 4: You could say anything. We're just trying to write bits, man.
00:58:49
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to write bits. I guess you've got to kind of take comedians out of the Out of the entire conversation, because that's a whole other world.
00:58:57
Speaker 4: We're just a different. Yeah, it's just weird.
00:59:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, I find it difficult to believe that that's true, though, because it would be something that I think he would need. to get therapy with. He couldn't have made it to the point he's at now if he falls for this kind of shit on a regular basis. Because I also don't understand what is so special about Alex that requires him to make excuses for decades. I don't know.
00:59:25
Speaker 4: It does seem like he has a weird appeal to authority hack in him. Where if you just say something so confidently and you have a group of people who tell Joe that you're actually a very smart person... And then you just say something confidently.
00:59:43
Speaker 9: Joe's like, wow, a lot of people have to believe this, so it must be true.
00:59:47
Speaker 1: Stan Hope thinks he's cool.
00:59:48
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. It does seem like there's that just, oh, okay, well, I heard this was cool. And I'm told this guy's super smart, so I have to at least engage with it. And then it's too easy to.
00:59:59
Speaker 1: It's just remarkable to me to see the exact same dynamic, though, that happened in these present-day podcast appearances being done to Rogan himself. In 2010.
01:00:10
Speaker 2: Man.
01:00:11
Speaker 1: This lying about the context of something.
01:00:13
Speaker 6: Yeah.
01:00:14
Speaker 1: Joe calls him on it. And then there's evidence proffered. But whether the evidence that's given is selectively edited to the point where it only shows what Alex wants him to see. Sure. Or he sees it and accepts Alex's framing of it despite the clear context that's to the contrary. Whatever it is, he's not equipped to deal with.
01:00:35
Speaker 10: Yeah.
01:00:36
Speaker 1: The sort of people he's associating with, clearly.
01:00:39
Speaker 4: And now, of course, it's got to be 10 million times as hard, because if you confront that reality now, then you have to be like, okay, well, for the past 30 years, this guy I have thought was my friend has been a complete piece of shit liar to me.
01:00:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like... you get that Nigerian prince email.
01:01:01
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're like, man, you know, I just.
01:01:03
Speaker 1: You respond, and then you give him $ 1, 000, and then he wants five.
01:01:07
Speaker 9: I don't want to be the stupid guy. I'm not going to be the stupid guy who doesn't... Yeah.
01:01:11
Speaker 1: It's almost like Joe's pot committed on not calling out Alex at this point.
01:01:15
Speaker 4: It does seem like it, yeah.
01:01:17
Speaker 1: Anyway.
01:01:17
Speaker 10: Oh, boy.
01:01:18
Speaker 1: Sorry, Joe. Growing up, did you ever... I don't know if this is a sort of experience that I had or if it's more universal, but We had a bunch of National Geographic's in the house. Mm-hmm. Tons of magazines of National Geographic because- They're educational, they're glossy. Sure. So as a kid, I would read tons of things about forests and various animals.
01:01:39
Speaker 4: I would have liked that. I barely got dinosaurs, and National Geographic was too believed in evolution for my household at the time.
01:01:48
Speaker 1: Well, did you know that Nat Geo is putting out a lot of cover-ups?
01:01:51
Speaker 4: I did not know.
01:01:52
Speaker 9: That Nat Geo is covering.
01:01:53
Speaker 1: Okay, okay. Putting out a lot of cover-ups on the chemtrail issue.
01:01:57
Speaker 2: I'm here for it.
01:01:59
Speaker 1: You know what it is?
01:01:59
Speaker 5: Nat Geo puts out these.
01:02:01
Speaker 16: Something with Nat Geo is connected with the government because you watch anything.
01:02:04
Speaker 1: Oh, no, no, no.
01:02:04
Speaker 2: Nat Geo, National Geographic.
01:02:06
Speaker 3: You've all heard about how record numbers of missionaries turn out to be CIA.
01:02:12
Speaker 2: Really? Yeah, and record numbers of Peace Corps.
01:02:14
Speaker 4: Record to what?
01:02:16
Speaker 5: Compared to what?
01:02:16
Speaker 3: No, National Geographic is a eugenics organization. What?
01:02:20
Speaker 2: And they are one of the highest level CIA fronts.
01:02:22
Speaker 5: I'm just going to say that a lot of people will say this is malarkey.
01:02:25
Speaker 3: Really?
01:02:25
Speaker 5: A very good friend of mine, his father is in the CIA.
01:02:28
Speaker 2: Cool.
01:02:29
Speaker 1: Okay. Okay.
01:02:30
Speaker 4: My buddy's dad is in the CIA, so obviously Nat Geo is a fucking record.
01:02:35
Speaker 1: High level.
01:02:36
Speaker 4: Record compared to what?
01:02:37
Speaker 1: Sure. It's meaningless. It's never substantiated how National Geographic is a eugenics front and a high level CIA operation.
01:02:44
Speaker 4: Of the highest level.
01:02:48
Speaker 10: Just.
01:02:49
Speaker 4: Just throwing that out there. And then, well, you guys are going to say this is malarkey. But my buddy's dad is in the CIA. Enough said.
01:02:58
Speaker 1: Joe Biden stole malarkey from Rogan. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:03:01
Speaker 9: That's what he gave him $ 100 million for.
01:03:02
Speaker 1: That's true. So there's some conspiracies that, you know, Eddie Bravo doesn't seem to be on the Earth is flat tip.
01:03:13
Speaker 4: At least not yet.
01:03:14
Speaker 1: Right. Right. And that actually comes to a point I want to make. The Earth is flat. We've been trying to get to this for a while. Okay.
01:03:22
Speaker 4: I've been waiting for it.
01:03:23
Speaker 9: I knew it was going to come sooner or later.
01:03:25
Speaker 4: We've had these conversations off air for years.
01:03:28
Speaker 1: I was interested to see if you'd go back and you'd see the same conspiracies that he's into in the present being floated in 2010. Sure, yeah. Because if the Earth is flat now, it was no less flat then. Um, and, and, you know, it's not like these, these ideas weren't spiraling around in places on the internet. It's not like a recent phenomenon. Sure. Sure. So I was going back and I'm like, it's, it's, it's incredible. There is not any like flat earth stuff. And part of the reason is that that wasn't that popular in 2010. It wasn't on the internet yet.
01:03:59
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
01:04:00
Speaker 1: And this is something that's important to understand about conspiracy theorists is They think that they're independent thinkers and they think that they're like, oh, really, really digging into stuff.
01:04:10
Speaker 4: Red pill, man.
01:04:11
Speaker 1: They are the biggest fucking followers in the world. These things are popular and then they get into them and then they like nothing ever happens and something else will become popular.
01:04:22
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:04:23
Speaker 1: Probably a Sandy Hook truther whenever that was popular.
01:04:26
Speaker 9: No, it's a fashionable, it's a fashion thing.
01:04:29
Speaker 4: Conspiracy theories are fashion.
01:04:30
Speaker 1: And some things are aesthetically important to retain along the way.
01:04:33
Speaker 4: Of course.
01:04:34
Speaker 1: Much like I may not listen to the Boss Tones anymore, but I'll still be a Boss Tones fan until I die. Sure. He's going to be a 9-11 truther until he dies.
01:04:41
Speaker 5: Of course.
01:04:42
Speaker 1: But it's maybe not the most primary thing to talk about all the time.
01:04:45
Speaker 9: You can't spend your life listening to the Boss Tones.
01:04:47
Speaker 10: No.
01:04:47
Speaker 1: And you can't spend your life always talking about 9-11 conspiracies. Yeah, you gotta move on. But it's always going to be a piece of each of our histories. And I just, I found that fascinating that it was like, oh, yeah, of course.
01:04:59
Speaker 10: Yeah.
01:05:00
Speaker 1: You're into what you're into at the time.
01:05:01
Speaker 15: Totally.
01:05:02
Speaker 1: And it turns out something that he's into at the time is that Hurricane Katrina might have been fake.
01:05:07
Speaker 8: Oh, boy.
01:05:07
Speaker 10: Yeah.
01:05:08
Speaker 16: What do you think about the conspiracy theories about Katrina being a controlled hurricane?
01:05:16
Speaker 3: Multiple top meteorologists said it had two eyes for a while.
01:05:19
Speaker 2: It just sat there. It didn't act like a normal hurricane.
01:05:22
Speaker 3: And I've had the father of weather weapons on who was flying into cyclones that are over 200 miles an hour in the 40s, Ben Livingston.
01:05:28
Speaker 2: And this is all declassified. This is like AP.
01:05:33
Speaker 3: Well, we're going to break, but to make a long story short.
01:05:35
Speaker 5: We're going to break already?
01:05:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, in 1967, it's a regular radio clock. There's like long segments, short segments. In 1967, Stanford Research Institute and the Naval Weapons Laboratory certified they can create and control hurricanes as easy as kiss my hand.
01:05:50
Speaker 2: We'll be right back.
01:05:51
Speaker 1: So it was a weather weapon hurricane?
01:05:54
Speaker 4: I suppose.
01:05:56
Speaker 1: We don't get back to this. Why would we?
01:05:58
Speaker 9: It was or it wasn't, and it is.
01:06:01
Speaker 1: So it was.
01:06:02
Speaker 5: Cool.
01:06:02
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:06:03
Speaker 1: What are the implications of that?
01:06:05
Speaker 4: Well, let's see. If Katrina was a controlled hurricane, sent by whom would be the first question?
01:06:11
Speaker 1: That is an important first question.
01:06:13
Speaker 9: We would assume the American government, I suppose, or a foreign power.
01:06:17
Speaker 2: Right.
01:06:18
Speaker 1: All right.
01:06:18
Speaker 4: So then the question would follow why. Why specifically where it was attacked.
01:06:23
Speaker 9: So then you got to say that it's a race-based bioweapon, I would assume.
01:06:27
Speaker 1: I don't know.
01:06:27
Speaker 3: Yeah.
01:06:28
Speaker 1: Anyway, another conspiracy that gets floated when they come back from break is that the movie Machete is meant to start a race war.
01:06:35
Speaker 4: Okay.
01:06:35
Speaker 8: So you believe that the movie Machete with Danny Trejo is by the government designed to fuel a race war?
01:06:42
Speaker 16: He's a superhero Mexican Home Depot guy.
01:06:46
Speaker 5: I'm sorry.
01:06:47
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
01:06:48
Speaker 5: I totally get it.
01:06:50
Speaker 2: Okay, but just– okay. We took care of that.
01:06:54
Speaker 5: Are we good? Did we take care of that?
01:06:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did. Okay.
01:06:57
Speaker 5: I feel like it got out.
01:06:58
Speaker 2: No, it didn't.
01:06:59
Speaker 5: I feel like that one might have failed.
01:07:00
Speaker 6: Okay, okay.
01:07:00
Speaker 2: Stop, guys.
01:07:01
Speaker 1: Come on.
01:07:02
Speaker 2: Sorry, guys.
01:07:03
Speaker 1: Alex is not drunk.
01:07:05
Speaker 9: Did we just racial slur?
01:07:06
Speaker 1: I think so.
01:07:07
Speaker 4: I think we just racial slurred.
01:07:08
Speaker 1: I think so, yes.
01:07:10
Speaker 9: And Alex is like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
01:07:13
Speaker 5: Wow.
01:07:14
Speaker 1: But Eddie Bravo does explain that he is a Mexican individual.
01:07:19
Speaker 3: Great.
01:07:19
Speaker 5: Right.
01:07:20
Speaker 1: But it's certainly not... I mean, this is on the radio.
01:07:22
Speaker 9: Yeah, I wouldn't put that one out there. I wouldn't put your business out like that.
01:07:26
Speaker 1: At the time, apparently, they had a little bit better delay situation going on.
01:07:30
Speaker 4: It does seem like whoever... Because that got edited.
01:07:32
Speaker 9: It seems like whoever was on the button, on the red button there, boom, I'm there.
01:07:36
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:07:36
Speaker 11: Oh, boy.
01:07:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Big bang machine.
01:07:39
Speaker 9: This was back whenever he had.
01:07:40
Speaker 4: actual adults working for him instead of hiring teens up the street.
01:07:44
Speaker 1: Yeah. So at this point now we have Alex Sober trying to deal with doing a show that has FCC rules with two guys who are high. Yeah. And one of them is clearly a lunatic.
01:07:53
Speaker 9: Insane and unable to deal with the FCC.
01:07:57
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:07:57
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:07:57
Speaker 1: So he has been shamed. Eddie's been shamed a little bit. Sure. And so he recedes into the background while Joe complains about the governor of Arizona.
01:08:06
Speaker 8: How hilarious is that dumb lady that's running Arizona, that Jan, whatever.
01:08:10
Speaker 5: The hell her name is? Who's the governor of Arizona?
01:08:15
Speaker 1: Yeah. Brewer.
01:08:16
Speaker 5: Jan Brewer.
01:08:17
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:08:17
Speaker 5: That lady is so dumb. Have you ever seen her on TV? Oh my God.
01:08:21
Speaker 8: When she was on the debate and she just paused, she didn't know what to say. She paused for like 10 solid seconds, said nothing. She makes up stuff about people getting their heads cut off over in Arizona, that Mexicans are coming over here and cutting.
01:08:34
Speaker 5: People's heads off. And then they're like, where are these bodies? Like, what are you talking about?
01:08:37
Speaker 1: Wow. It sounds like Alex present day. Wow.
01:08:41
Speaker 12: Yeah. Wow.
01:08:41
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:08:42
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:08:43
Speaker 9: I don't think Joe should be allowed to call anybody dumb.
01:08:47
Speaker 1: No. Yeah, it's tough to hear. Yeah, buddy. But yeah, it's interesting because Alex then has to sort of rebut a little bit because he is also quite xenophobic.
01:08:59
Speaker 9: Yeah, he's trying to be... yeah, you're cutting in on my racism here, buddy.
01:09:01
Speaker 1: And the governor is a Republican. Right. And so, like, you know, there is the need to have sort of at least a little bit of a pushback.
01:09:07
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:09:08
Speaker 1: And then Eddie gets back in the mix.
01:09:10
Speaker 4: Sure.
01:09:10
Speaker 1: He tries again.
01:09:11
Speaker 4: Element of chaos.
01:09:13
Speaker 5: Let me just say something. I'm not a big fan, and Joe knows this. I hate super movies.
01:09:17
Speaker 10: Oh!
01:09:20
Speaker 5: Eddie Bravo. Come on, man. We're on the radio.
01:09:23
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
01:09:23
Speaker 5: I can't bring him with me anymore.
01:09:24
Speaker 1: No.
01:09:25
Speaker 4: This is ridiculous.
01:09:26
Speaker 5: He's not a professional. I hate superhero movies.
01:09:28
Speaker 2: I hate superhero.
01:09:29
Speaker 5: I'm a Mexican.
01:09:33
Speaker 16: El Machete wasn't the greatest plot ever.
01:09:36
Speaker 1: So he's trying to get back to Machete.
01:09:37
Speaker 4: Yeah. Is that what we were doing?
01:09:40
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:09:40
Speaker 1: So he doesn't like superhero movies.
01:09:43
Speaker 4: Uh-huh.
01:09:44
Speaker 1: Something got bleeped. Yeah. Okay. Now, as Eddie goes on, I think he's making actually a fairly decent point. And that is, you know, when I, as somebody of Mexican descent, heritage, I see Spider-Man. I can't identify with Spider-Man. Sure. I don't identify with Batman, this rich asshole with all his gadgets. Of course not. I don't see myself in these heroes. And for me, maybe Machete... is somebody that I can see as and Alex is like nah nah nah he's not nice enough to white people oh boy You know, as a.
01:10:21
Speaker 5: Mexican, you can't relate to Spider-Man. That's a white nerd who, you know, and then.
01:10:25
Speaker 4: Batman, a white billionaire.
01:10:29
Speaker 16: As Mexican people, we have nothing. Now we have something. You know, Superman, a white guy from another galaxy. Now we have El Machete. You know, for me, I've felt.
01:10:38
Speaker 3: Like— Why couldn't it be a Mexican scientist, you know, who becomes the Incredible Hulk or something? The Mexican superhero hacks up gringos?
01:10:47
Speaker 5: People up with a— Axe? That's ridiculous. Yeah, he's a Mexican, long-haired tat.
01:10:52
Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something.
01:10:54
Speaker 3: The Mexicans I know that warned me about this film that were on the production, they didn't like the stereotype of Mexicans as working at Home Depot and wanting to kill gringos.
01:11:03
Speaker 2: I like that. Well, this has been an insane interview, Eddie Bravo.
01:11:10
Speaker 5: You just really ruined the whole cause.
01:11:12
Speaker 6: Did we get another racial slur blurb down?
01:11:16
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. I think it was just awkward silence. Oh, okay.
01:11:20
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:11:21
Speaker 1: So I think he makes a fine point. For the most part. I mean, I think that's an acceptable point. And I think Alex's point is essentially just, I don't... Whoa, whoa, whoa.
01:11:29
Speaker 9: We can't be having superheroes who aren't nice to white people.
01:11:32
Speaker 1: Let's calm it down.
01:11:33
Speaker 9: Oh, a superhero who doesn't like white people? What would be the point of superheroes?
01:11:37
Speaker 10: Yep.
01:11:37
Speaker 3: Oh, boy.
01:11:38
Speaker 1: So, we get a really big revelation on this episode. What's that?
01:11:44
Speaker 4: That Superman helped defeat the KKK's expansion efforts in his radio serials?
01:11:49
Speaker 10: No.
01:11:50
Speaker 1: I don't know how the mainstream media, the MSM, failed to pick up on this. What could be the largest story of our times. And that is that Alex Jones knows how to mind control birds.
01:12:02
Speaker 3: I've even tried this with birds around my house and things. If I come out and even put in my mind the intent, like I'm going to kill that bird, without even having a weapon, the bird flies off. But if you're just being out nice and friendly, the birds just sit there, almost land on your hand. I've got all these tame swallows around my house.
01:12:18
Speaker 2: So it's almost like there's something telepathic. They pick up on the intent.
01:12:21
Speaker 8: Someone is going to take this clip and use it and say, Alex Jones uses mind control on birds.
01:12:27
Speaker 3: They probably will.
01:12:29
Speaker 1: I have fulfilled the prophecy.
01:12:31
Speaker 4: Alex Jones uses mind control on birds.
01:12:36
Speaker 1: I just had to play it to the end.
01:12:37
Speaker 9: You had to do it. You had to do it. You couldn't not do it.
01:12:41
Speaker 1: It had to be done. I was a little bored. At this point, things are kind of starting to fall apart a little bit. Yeah, I can sense that. I think Eddie and Joe's patience and their high is kind of like, I want to have fun. It's a baiting. I want out of here. Alex isn't having fun. Whenever Eddie starts trying to talk in just the normal way he socially communicates, he ends up saying things that he can't say on the radio.
01:13:03
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like when you go visit your friend at work. You're not allowed to be like, oh, hey, we're at this hardware store. Let me drop some racial slurs. Yeah, you can't do it.
01:13:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so it's the last question. Lips here. Is it possible?
01:13:18
Speaker 5: You would know. Is it possible to create a bomb that makes everybody gay? Is that possible?
01:13:22
Speaker 2: Probably not.
01:13:23
Speaker 1: Okay. Probably not.
01:13:26
Speaker 4: Probably not.
01:13:28
Speaker 8: Oh, boy.
01:13:29
Speaker 4: Probably not.
01:13:30
Speaker 1: And this is where, like, sort of questions are coming a little faster.
01:13:33
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:13:33
Speaker 1: Can we make a gay bomb? Probably not. Yeah, yeah. Are you disappointed in Charlie Sheen?
01:13:38
Speaker 9: Are we doing lightning round?
01:13:39
Speaker 1: A little bit. A little bit. Okay.
01:13:40
Speaker 8: When Charlie Sheen choked his wife, were you like, damn, you're messing up the cause. Like I had you on the program. You were looking good. Charlie Sheen calling for full disclosure on 911. Now he's got to go.
01:13:53
Speaker 2: Well, he needs a vaccine for that.
01:13:55
Speaker 1: Is that what it is?
01:13:56
Speaker 8: Look.
01:13:57
Speaker 3: I'm not going to get into that whole story. I'm not going to get into that whole story.
01:14:01
Speaker 8: But all I wanted to know is, does this ever wear on you? I mean, you're constantly dealing with negative stuff.
01:14:07
Speaker 2: By the way, Charlie's a good guy.
01:14:09
Speaker 5: He is a good guy.
01:14:10
Speaker 1: Okay. Charlie's a good guy, but also chokes his wife.
01:14:13
Speaker 4: Hey, Joe, I'm going to go with one. It says a lot about you and Alex that your first thought of Alex's reaction was, how is Alex going to take this as personally hurting him? As opposed to giving a shit about the fact that.
01:14:30
Speaker 1: Let me actually clarify that even more. He's saying, how is this going to affect the cause that Alex is pretending to be so passionately fighting for? How is Charlie Sheen's personal transgressions going to hurt Alex's crusade against imaginary windmills? Now here's where things turned for me.
01:14:53
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like that's super dark. That's a real dark clip that just happened right there.
01:14:59
Speaker 1: It's going to get more dark? Yeah.
01:15:02
Speaker 4: Oh, but that one was really dark.
01:15:03
Speaker 1: That's like... Sort of violence trigger warning, maybe, for this next clip.
01:15:09
Speaker 7: Oh, no.
01:15:09
Speaker 1: Where Joe goes next.
01:15:12
Speaker 2: By the way, Charlie's a good guy.
01:15:13
Speaker 5: He is a good guy. I'm a fan. I'm a fan. Platoon was an awesome movie. I'm a fan of Charlie Sheen.
01:15:18
Speaker 1: Have you ever? You know what?
01:15:19
Speaker 5: Some chicks need to be choked. How about that? Some of them get a little mouthy. And you want to get out of the woman.
01:15:24
Speaker 2: Okay. Okay, Joe.
01:15:25
Speaker 5: I don't know who's paying the rent here.
01:15:27
Speaker 1: All right, freak?
01:15:28
Speaker 2: Is it illegal to choke a girl?
01:15:30
Speaker 10: Yes.
01:15:31
Speaker 5: I'm kidding. I don't choke anybody. I don't choke girls, especially. Unless they want it. And then it's free.
01:15:35
Speaker 4: Okay, that's enough.
01:15:36
Speaker 8: Yeesh.
01:15:38
Speaker 4: That's dark.
01:15:39
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:15:40
Speaker 9: Significantly darker than I was expecting.
01:15:42
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you know, I guess what you'd call it is the sort of like playful misogyny of 2010. Yeah.
01:15:51
Speaker 10: Wow.
01:15:51
Speaker 4: I suppose you could. Wow.
01:15:53
Speaker 3: It is.
01:15:54
Speaker 4: It is like it's really it. You know, when you go back and you watch a 90s movie, like when you rewatch Trading Places, I rewatched that and you're like, well, you could get away with a lot of shit there. But then you think it's 2010 and you couldn't get away with that. That's too recent. Now you can get away with that shit in 2010 for sure.
01:16:13
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's wild. I. Jesus.
01:16:18
Speaker 4: It's not a joke.
01:16:20
Speaker 1: No, it's not. It's not a joke.
01:16:22
Speaker 4: He thinks it's a joke.
01:16:23
Speaker 1: But even if it is a joke, it's not a well-constructed joke. It's not a new thought. It's really just playing on the edge of Sometimes domestic violence is warranted.
01:16:34
Speaker 4: Honeymooners level shit.
01:16:36
Speaker 1: Yes.
01:16:37
Speaker 4: That's what we're talking about here.
01:16:38
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:16:39
Speaker 3: Yes.
01:16:39
Speaker 4: In the 1950s, Jackie Gleason can be like, oh, I'm going to hit you. .
01:16:46
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's very it's very strange. But one of the things that I think is even more strange is that Alex can sense the responsibility he has as a host. which he has completely abdicated in present days.
01:16:58
Speaker 4: Totally.
01:17:00
Speaker 1: Gone. He feels some responsibility to be like, come on, man. Come on.
01:17:05
Speaker 4: That would be interesting to hear today. Would he just be like, yeah, I know, right? Like, is that?
01:17:11
Speaker 1: Yes.
01:17:11
Speaker 4: He would have to, right?
01:17:12
Speaker 10: Totally.
01:17:13
Speaker 9: Because he does not give a shit.
01:17:15
Speaker 1: No.
01:17:16
Speaker 4: God damn.
01:17:17
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:17:18
Speaker 4: It is kind of interesting.
01:17:19
Speaker 1: He had some semblance in 2010 of something. that was precluding him and stopping him from going into that. Maybe it's a possibility of, like, the audience was more a family audience at that time. Yeah, could be. Maybe there was more of a puritanical streak to the people who had listened to him on the radio and shortwave, which was most of his audience. As the internet and the supplement lines came in, maybe he didn't have to keep such a pretend air of, Hey, this kind of conversation doesn't fly here, gentlemen.
01:17:54
Speaker 4: I imagine getting kicked off of social media and stuff probably.
01:17:57
Speaker 1: That was much later. Yeah. I think he'd given up some of that. Oh, even back in like 2014. I bet he would let Joe Rogan riff a little bit more, even if it was getting into territories that was seemingly.
01:18:10
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's probably true.
01:18:12
Speaker 1: Advocating for even if it's facetiously advocating for sometimes women deserve to be choked.
01:18:17
Speaker 15: Yeah.
01:18:18
Speaker 1: Like it's yeah, it's weird.
01:18:20
Speaker 9: Yeah, this is a real misogynist episode for Joe.
01:18:24
Speaker 4: If I were Joe, I wouldn't look back on this episode calling Jan Brewer dumb.
01:18:29
Speaker 1: And then, yeah, yeah, yeah. The critique of the Arizona governor, if in a vacuum, could be seen as things that this politician did were dumb. Sure. You could view them outside of like a necessarily misogynistic scope. Sure, sure. It's tough to when, like, I just wish that conversation.
01:18:49
Speaker 4: Like, to be clear, Jan Brewer, not a good governor.
01:18:52
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:18:53
Speaker 1: I wish that that conversation wasn't there. Yeah, we could not have that. I wish it was, because then it could just be like, isn't it funny how he thinks that Katrina was fake.
01:19:01
Speaker 9: And he keeps saying slurs on air.
01:19:03
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's nice.
01:19:04
Speaker 1: And he keeps getting bleeped.
01:19:05
Speaker 13: Yeah.
01:19:05
Speaker 1: Yeah. So anyway, this gets a little bit uncomfortable, and they have to come towards the end here, and Joe has to be like, Alex, you're fun. You're fun to hang out with, man. Okay, sure.
01:19:19
Speaker 8: Saying that, you know, you're a fun guy to hang around with, and people always say, man, you're friends.
01:19:23
Speaker 5: With Alex Jones? Is that a bummer?
01:19:24
Speaker 8: And I'm like, no, man. Alex Jones is a cool guy. We have a good time. Last night, we went to Fogo to chow. We had some delicious meat.
01:19:31
Speaker 5: It was awesome.
01:19:32
Speaker 8: We had a great time. Then we went out to the comedy club. We went out to dinner afterwards.
01:19:36
Speaker 1: We had a great time.
01:19:37
Speaker 2: We hung out. Had a lot of laughs.
01:19:38
Speaker 5: There was no doom and gloom.
01:19:40
Speaker 8: It was like, man, hanging out with Alex Jones must be a bummer. The dude's always talking about the end of the world and vaccines robbing your soul.
01:19:47
Speaker 2: But no, you're fine.
01:19:50
Speaker 1: He's been defensive about hanging out with Alex for over a decade. Yeah, man. You gotta ask yourself why. Why would that be?
01:19:59
Speaker 4: Yep.
01:20:01
Speaker 1: Why is it that people think hey, that guy you keep vouching for, bad news! Over the course of a decade, constantly having people be like, Don't do that.
01:20:13
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, that is, though, that is such comedy.
01:20:16
Speaker 4: That is such, like, the way that it's worked for so long in comedy of just, like.
01:20:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a little bit of permissiveness.
01:20:22
Speaker 4: It's totally, like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no. I've heard he's a fucking monster, but he's always been cool to me.
01:20:28
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that behavior. Exactly, so.
01:20:31
Speaker 4: He had fun at Fogo de Chao.
01:20:32
Speaker 1: Totally.
01:20:33
Speaker 4: So that means he can't be a violent, misogynist racist.
01:20:36
Speaker 1: Yeah. I wouldn't listen to his show to see what... Happened right before I came on. Oh, that'd be a terrible idea. No.
01:20:43
Speaker 4: That's office behavior.
01:20:45
Speaker 1: That's not fun. We had fun at Fogarty Chow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, there's another funny thing. They're talking about Brock Lesnar, and he had, like, diverticulitis, and they were talking about how, like, it was because he just ate meat before.
01:20:56
Speaker 8: Sure.
01:20:57
Speaker 1: And that's not good. That's bad. And that's really funny to me, because Joe would later have Jordan Peterson on his podcast advocating his all-meat diet. Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ. I hate these people.
01:21:12
Speaker 4: I hate these people so much.
01:21:13
Speaker 10: Yep.
01:21:14
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it has to be. It could also be. I could see it being this, where it's like, Joe discounts anything that happens on the show. He's just like, yeah, Alex does his show, and it's all bullshit. It's entertainment, and nothing he says matters on the show. It only matters what he says whenever he's off air, when he's a person. Does it matter what he says on your show, Joe?
01:21:36
Speaker 1: Exactly. Because it's the same. A lot of it is the same.
01:21:39
Speaker 4: You would think.
01:21:40
Speaker 1: There's overlap. Yeah, and then just.
01:21:42
Speaker 4: Like, maybe it is. Look, I get it. If Joe and Alex are super good friends and Joe knows for a fact that Alex is full of shit and it's all made up shit, he's still a friend that is directly responsible for so much evil happening.
01:21:59
Speaker 10: Yeah.
01:22:00
Speaker 4: Even if you think he's faking it.
01:22:02
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's almost worse.
01:22:03
Speaker 4: It's not almost.
01:22:04
Speaker 5: It may be worse.
01:22:05
Speaker 4: It's worse.
01:22:06
Speaker 12: Yeah.
01:22:07
Speaker 1: I think you could have a debate on that.
01:22:08
Speaker 4: It's more malicious.
01:22:10
Speaker 15: Yeah.
01:22:11
Speaker 1: Uh yeah yeah the the signing off on it whether it's real or you know it's fake yeah is ethically both bad no it's not good no that's all yeah there's no there's no way out for joe there's.
01:22:25
Speaker 9: No redemption for that whatsoever it's just.
01:22:27
Speaker 1: Been a over a decade of negligence on his part not recognizing the cancerous and toxic uh influence of this guy that he just has fun at a steakhouse with. It's a pathetic just lack of responsibility on his part. It's interesting to me that we've seen it on Joe's show whenever we've talked about these present ones. I didn't think it went like that exact same behavior. It's the same things. And, you know, it's annoying to me. the way that you'll hear in these interviews in the present, this like, ah, we put on those Bush masks, you know, like they have that same story that they tell that sort of solidifies their friendship and their connection. And that's annoying.
01:23:14
Speaker 3: Yeah.
01:23:15
Speaker 1: But it's even more annoying to go back to the past in 2010 and see the inability to fact check claims Alex has made that you instinctually think aren't correct. And then at the same time, you're like, ah, you're fun. Making excuses for misinformation and complete fraud based on like, we have fun.
01:23:34
Speaker 11: Yeah.
01:23:35
Speaker 4: I think I find it viscerally fucked up to go back nearly like a decade and see no change, like no growth. And if anything, regression.
01:23:48
Speaker 1: Yes. I would say regression.
01:23:49
Speaker 4: That's fucked. That really fucks with my head.
01:23:53
Speaker 3: Yeah.
01:23:53
Speaker 4: You know, because in my time period, I think we can go back through our show and see just pretty consistent like... There's growth. There's change. There's something.
01:24:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some missteps.
01:24:04
Speaker 4: Here and there. Yeah, we fuck up. We move on.
01:24:07
Speaker 1: We try.
01:24:08
Speaker 4: Yeah, we do what we can. But to be stasis, to just be that, and then get worse.
01:24:15
Speaker 1: I see Joe kind of worse because I think he's gotten more entrenched in these positions of like, hey, Alex is a fun guy. Why does everyone not want me to hang out with him? Totally. And if he's so consistently being lied to by Alex... Alex showing him either fraudulent or misrepresented proof of his claims, he's just gotten deeper and deeper in those holes.
01:24:37
Speaker 12: Yeah.
01:24:38
Speaker 1: I think Eddie seems more delightful at this point.
01:24:40
Speaker 3: Yeah.
01:24:41
Speaker 4: Yeah. I agree.
01:24:44
Speaker 1: There's something about him that just is delightful. No, I get it. There's a nature about him that kind of, I enjoy it when he chimes in. With, like, I'm a conspiracy freak.
01:24:57
Speaker 4: No, I get it.
01:24:58
Speaker 1: I get it. I appreciate the problem. There's more of a self-awareness, too, of himself back then. Yeah. Like, I'm a conspiracy freak. He introduces himself as such. He's a recognition that some of the things that he's saying are probably dumb.
01:25:12
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:25:13
Speaker 1: He's articulating important things about representation in media.
01:25:17
Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
01:25:18
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just it's weird. All of these people are doing worse now. Yeah. Yeah.
01:25:22
Speaker 4: Eddie seems so he's he's just a guy who's like, I know everybody's laughing at me. And I've accepted that. And I'm cool with it because I've still got me. I've still got my stuff. And I'm respected in the field where I'm meant to be respected at. And if you laugh at me whenever I say some stupid conspiracy theories, yeah, man, conspiracy theories are stupid. You should laugh.
01:25:43
Speaker 1: Then a couple years later, my best friend has $ 100 million.
01:25:46
Speaker 4: $ 100 million.
01:25:47
Speaker 1: Hey, maybe I start taking this a little bit more seriously.
01:25:52
Speaker 4: Maybe too seriously.
01:25:53
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
01:25:54
Speaker 7: Oh, boy.
01:25:55
Speaker 1: Anyway, we have one last clip. Okay. Eddie wants to know about Y2K, which is an interesting. Don't we all? Yeah, interesting. Alex's answer is O'Donnellian in its non-forthrightness. Okay, okay.
01:26:08
Speaker 5: Alex, I've got a question.
01:26:10
Speaker 16: About the Y2K, you were saying, I was listening to old tapes and you were saying.
01:26:14
Speaker 1: No, no, no.
01:26:16
Speaker 3: I did nine hours of radio on Y2K on the Genesis Network.
01:26:20
Speaker 1: You notice that before a question was even asked, Alex goes into defensive mode. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:26:25
Speaker 3: And my girlfriend runs in, now my wife, and she says, they're on ABC News saying a missile was launched from Russia.
01:26:31
Speaker 1: Oh, now it's his wife's fault.
01:26:32
Speaker 10: Yeah.
01:26:33
Speaker 2: So I run back out.
01:26:34
Speaker 3: There and ABC News is saying a missile's been fired for Russia. So I said, I don't know what it means, but a missile's been fired for Russia. Then they come back and say, oh, it was just a scud. We have to have the Russians here at NORAD. And it was like some kind of drill or something. And then I went on a guy named Michael Trudeau's show that day and made jokes about it. So people took nine hours. and edited nine hours, part of it me joking around, like Joe.
01:26:56
Speaker 2: Was saying earlier.
01:26:56
Speaker 5: Like nuclear plants were blowing up.
01:26:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's not true.
01:26:59
Speaker 3: No, what they did is they just took pieces, and like I'd have an AP article saying, well, six plants are going offline, and then an hour later, they'd say it wasn't true.
01:27:07
Speaker 2: They were doing that to create fear.
01:27:09
Speaker 3: Yes. Like I didn't believe in Y2K at first. Then the Pentagon said it was going.
01:27:13
Speaker 1: To be real.
01:27:13
Speaker 2: Then I started believing it. And then right before, they said, oh, we never said that. It was a psyop.
01:27:17
Speaker 8: Oh.
01:27:19
Speaker 4: What?
01:27:20
Speaker 1: Okay.
01:27:21
Speaker 4: What did you do?
01:27:21
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like even those excuses are contradictory.
01:27:24
Speaker 9: That is nonsense.
01:27:25
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:27:26
Speaker 4: Now, it was my wife who told me, but I didn't believe it. And so it's her fault. But also when the Pentagon said it, I was like, well, obviously it's true. I didn't believe that because it's their fault.
01:27:35
Speaker 1: I was on air.
01:27:35
Speaker 4: And the mainstream media did the thing and that's their fault. None of this is my fault at all.
01:27:40
Speaker 1: I was on air for nine hours, and they've taken everything out of context. Totally. They've misrepresented. I've been smeared.
01:27:47
Speaker 4: I have been smeared, sir.
01:27:49
Speaker 1: Simultaneously. I was reporting on things that were 100% accurate. Absolutely true. Because the media was trying to create fear about Y2K. Exactly. I was reporting on these media stories that were designed to make fear, but then they retracted those stories.
01:28:02
Speaker 5: Wait.
01:28:03
Speaker 1: Which is it?
01:28:05
Speaker 9: It's both, neither, and everything all at once.
01:28:09
Speaker 1: Such horseshit. Yep. Anyway. What an asshole.
01:28:12
Speaker 2: Yep.
01:28:14
Speaker 1: This is an interesting glimpse.
01:28:16
Speaker 4: Couldn't you just one time be like, oh, yeah, I fucked up on that one? Just not even, it wouldn't even have to be, no explanation, no just like, yeah, that one's on me. My bad.
01:28:25
Speaker 1: I think it's too embarrassing.
01:28:27
Speaker 4: It has to be.
01:28:28
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:28:30
Speaker 1: I love doing it. That was our second episode.
01:28:32
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.
01:28:33
Speaker 1: And looking at the Y2K episode of his show. And I think some of the stuff that he was doing was... like, it's really too far. Yeah. He was saying that, like, bases were being set up at an Austin airport for people to be rounded up. Everyone's out of gas.
01:28:49
Speaker 2: Yep.
01:28:49
Speaker 1: Like, gas stations.
01:28:50
Speaker 4: Are out of food.
01:28:51
Speaker 9: It went hard.
01:28:52
Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember. I think owning that is too hard to do. So you have to create a defensive straw man about, like, What actually happened, and then people like Eddie will just give you a pass.
01:29:03
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's true.
01:29:03
Speaker 1: You've got to go to commercial anyway. That's fair. You hear the music.
01:29:07
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:29:08
Speaker 9: Run out the clock on this answer, and then Eddie will drop it.
01:29:11
Speaker 1: Yeah. Or we'll get to commercial, and I'll be like, Eddie, that is not a fair question to ask me on air.
01:29:15
Speaker 4: Hey, don't ask me that question.
01:29:16
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know we're playing a game here.
01:29:19
Speaker 4: I sounded stupid, and now you're making me feel bad.
01:29:22
Speaker 1: Stop it. Eddie, you're high and having fun. I'm not. So we get to the end of this, and I think this is an interesting glimpse back, if only for this dynamic is so different and so similar.
01:29:36
Speaker 15: Yeah.
01:29:36
Speaker 1: It's similar in the ways that you hate, and it's different in the ways that you miss.
01:29:40
Speaker 3: Yep.
01:29:41
Speaker 1: It's not fun in the way that these present-day interviews are, because Alex is fucked up. Right, right.
01:29:47
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:29:48
Speaker 1: And at least it's nonsensical.
01:29:50
Speaker 9: Yeah, Alex is more willing to, like... Keep the ramble going.
01:29:55
Speaker 4: Keep the riff going long enough to where he hangs himself with too much rope, like that kind of thing.
01:30:00
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:30:00
Speaker 4: Whereas on this show, he's trying to cut stuff off before he looks too stupid.
01:30:05
Speaker 1: He's trying to protect the business. Yep, yep. So anyway, we'll be back to the present for our next episode or, you know, probably. Thereabouts. But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
01:30:16
Speaker 4: We do have a website. It's knowledgefight.com.
01:30:18
Speaker 1: Yes, we're also on Twitter.
01:30:19
Speaker 4: We are on Twitter. It's at knowledgefight.com. Now go to bed, Jordan.
01:30:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're also on Facebook.
01:30:22
Speaker 4: We are on Facebook. And if you could, please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people doing God's work right now.
01:30:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I'm Daryl Rundus. I am not a witch.
01:30:37
Speaker 2: Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.
01:30:41
Speaker 11: Hello, Alex.
01:30:41
Speaker 17: I'm a first-time caller.
01:30:42
Speaker 5: I'm a huge fan.
01:30:43
Speaker 2: I love your work. I love you.