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Speaker 1: Will meet anybody in the world, and I think we're gonna win next Sunday. That's wonder.
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Speaker 2: I can't wait.
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Speaker 3: Dudes, has been too long. How you doing, man?
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Speaker 1: I'm doing great? How about yourself?
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Speaker 3: Not bad?
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Speaker 2: Draft is almost here? If we're talking about what eight days now, it's here.
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Speaker 1: It's it's crazy because every year I feel like we always say the same thing, like the off season begins and you know everything's going slow, than you turn around and it's like heang, you're a week away from the draft, like it happened so fast. And I just think because the NFL has essentially become a business word, it's a three sixty five type deal now that as soon as you leave the combine right as soon as these guys going thirty business, you turn around, you look up, teams are coming back for off season program and the draft is here.
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Speaker 2: We can take this in any one of a number of directions. But as far as the Jets offseason is concerned, what they've done, What does that tell you about the way they're going to approach this draft.
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Speaker 1: I think they just did a really good job not bottling themselves into taking one position or another. I thought they brought in a lot of good players that have a physical tenacity, especially when you look at the defensive line. You bring in a guy like Josephsai Kingsey and and bar Ray. These are both physically gifted players that really attack the run game and can give you some pass rush ability. Dylan Parham is a guy on the other side of the trenches that has extensive starting experience, starting experience not only at the guard position, but the center position as well. So I thought Darren, Mouji and AG just did a really good job of bringing in sound, physical players that have experienced to like plug up some holes that way in the draft, they're not essentially reaching for a position to kind of fill that void that's not there on the team.
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Speaker 2: The acquisition to Gino Smith coming over from the Raiders, he'll begin a second stint with the Green and White. What did you make of the move and what does that mean for the Jets in the short term?
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Speaker 1: To me, the Jets need to somebody that was going to be able to steer the ship, and I think Geno Smith has done it. And I agree with all the sentiments that AG said. Gino didn't just stop learning how to play football. You go back to what he did in Seattle. You know, perennial Pro bowler for a couple of years he was there. And then you also have to look at the situation of player is put in where he's at. Let's not forget and not to talk about other teams, but they brought in a coordinator and they made him the highest paid cordinator in football. He didn't even make it through the season. They had issues on the offensive line right Gino was under the rest constantly and they had a turnstile key when it came to the rotation of the offensive line because of injuries. It's hard for any quarterback to have success when you're under pressure so quickly, and then also the offense is just not on the same page, and then your best playmaker. Let's not forget brock Bauers got hurt Week one versus Patriots. People forget that the Las Vegas Raiders beat the team that represented the AFC in the Super Bowl in Week one in New England, Patriots, and that's when they were actually healthy. Right, brock Bauers was never healthy again after Week one. So you have to look at all these factors that go into why there may have been some struggles with Geno, and you just don't see a player that doesn't know how to play the game anymore. Like there was obviously other factors into him not having a success that he wanted to have at Las Vegas. And I love that the Jests were able to make this move one, it was cost efficient. In two again, you just needed somebody to steer the ship under center, and I believe Geno Smith can be that guy.
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Speaker 2: So entering this draft the quarterback position Jets number two overall, Dante Moore alects to go back to school. So we know Fernando Mendoz that the consensus there is, and I'm sure you agree that he's going to the Las Vegas Raiders at that two spot. For probably months we thought, hey, maybe the Jet's gonna go with quarterback, but Dante Moore stays in school. As this has developed, do you feel, as a guy who played defensive line, that this should be an edge whether it is r VL Reese or David Bailey, or are you more open to the thought of, hey, there are some great players there at typically non premium positions. Jeremiah Love the running back out of Notre Dame, a linebacker like as sonny styles. Do you consider those two or you think for the Jets right now, the right pick is an.
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Speaker 1: Edge to And this is not me being biased as a defensive lineman. The right pick is the edge. And it's about what you talked about, positional value. It's a real thing. I know people throw that word around loosely and people always say, well, just take the best player available. But whether you want to admit it or not, yeah, you know. I'm a big component of rules exceptions, right there's exceptions to the rules and there's the rules. I think too many people live in that outside lier of exceptions and that's what gets you beat or not having sustained success. When you look at the Jets last year, twenty six secs, that's thirty first in the NFL. There's only thirty two teams in the NFL. You're in a division with Josh Allen and Drake May. You got to be able to effect the quarterback and to me, having an edge that can consistently do that on a down in and down basis will give you an edge in this division. So to me, it has to be an edge at pick number two one because of positional value. But two it's a major need for this team. We just talked about the numbers EA twenty six sacks, right, only thirty two teams in the NFL. They were thirty first in the NFL. They have to be able to consistently affect the quarterback.
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Speaker 2: One of the things I really enjoy come summertime is getting out there and watching training camp practices because during the year you only allowed out there for the first thirty minutes, which is basically stretching individual activities, and you're reporting on guys who are not practicing, and then you go inside. Now when we're watching practices together, I love the way you analyze the guys.
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Speaker 3: As far as the pass rushers are concerned.
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Speaker 2: So, how do you separate Bailey in edge because right now the conversation, I mean Bailey and Reese. Right now, the conversation is Bailey is an advanced pass rusher, but Reese might have the higher ceiling overall because he's an explosive freak.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'll look at it like this. Bailey has the production and has also played the position his entire life, right, so you're gonna get instant pass rush ability from him. So when you look at Reese, he's a versatile piece. I don't think he's gonna be an edge guy even in the future. I think he's a better off ball linebacker that in certain packages, kind of like Frankie Louvou for the Commanders. You can put him on the edge on third down packages, so people will say he has a high upside. When you actually break down the tape EA of him on the edge, A lot of those sacks were him stemming at the last second and blitzing off the edge. There wasn't a whole bunch of sacks of him just lining up on the edge and going And that's why I think in certain packages you can use him as a sub rusher all up and down the line of scripts, not just on the edge. We've seen him in the middle of the defense over the center, beat centers. We've seen him take running backs and push them back into the quarterback slap. I think that's where his superpower is, using that freakist athletic ability that you talked about. Yes, he set the edge a few times, more specifically in that Penn State game. But I think for him, his versatility is off the ball, his physicality to be able to lock out offensive guards. His ability to chase quarterbacks down in a quarterback spy role is where his superpower is. Where with David Bailey, you know if you put him on the edge, you're going to get instant impact as a pass rusher. And that's something that Jets need.
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Speaker 3: So are you leaning towards Bailey or for you? Or for you? Is it clear that Bailey's the guy?
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Speaker 1: I think it's clear that David Bailey is the guy. Again when you look at what the Jets need, you need a guy that's going to be productive from day one. Yes, I love the upside of r vel Reach and I love r Veil Reach. He's actually on the Dudes his Dog's List with one of my top players in the league, guys that have that temperament. But to me, for what the Jets need right now, they need instant impact pass rushing, get after the quarterback. We gain you the numbers earlier in regards to how the Debts struggle to affect the quarterback last year. With Davy Bailey, you're going to get the most productive rusher in this draft at pick number two.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So how is he going to be used in Aaron Glenn's defense? Because what We're trying to do right now is interpret what AG's going to do by looking back at Detroit. Now, he did sign Brian Duker, a guy who's got a lot of familiarity with his system from their days together with the Lions. Of course, so Duker is his DC. AG is calling plays. When you look at the defensive line, you mentioned a number of those guys. I'll start in the middle. The Jets made an interesting trade this offseason, acquiring the big guy deve Andre Sweat. Jermaine Johnson goes back to Tennessee. You traded for Harrison Phillips and Jawan Briggs. Briggs really, I mean, he really popped last year. So you got you got those guys.
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Speaker 3: In the middle.
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Speaker 2: You mentioned Osi Enigbari as well, and then you have Will McDonald freak.
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Speaker 3: So how does we know he's an edge?
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Speaker 2: The Jets will have the ability to play three four and four to three.
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Speaker 3: We know that.
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Speaker 2: Aaron Glenn laughed about it because he said, listen, in this league, you're gonna be so multiple anyway, you're not gonna call this defense three four, four to three. But specifically with Bailey, how does he fit in with those other pieces?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? So you talked about the AG system is kind of a three four four three hybrid. He goes back and forth in his days of Detroit. So David Bailey's gonna be an outside rusher, outside linebacker in this game him Will McDonald. I could even see Kingsley in and Barre playing the outside linebacker, but in the four to three playing that heavy side d right and then Joseph Asaid being an outside linebacker as well. So now you've got subsequent depth, which yeah, we've talked about the last couple of years of Jes have not really had depth like that at the edge position. So if you get a guy like David Bailey, you're talking about having four competent rushers on the outside with Kingsley and a Barra, Joseph VISI, Will McDonald, and David Bailey. That's something that Jets have not had over the last couple of years. And with David Bailey, I know people talk a lot about his run defense, but you have to understand at Texas Tech, when you play college football, a lot of teams play the spread offense, which means one of the linebackers has to be detached to go getting coverage. So what that means it reduces and when I say reduces, it moves the edge guy head up over a tackle. He's not going to be acted to do that in the AG system, right, I mean, he's two hundred and fifty five, two hundred and sixty pounds like Will McDonald was actually to do that at Iowa State. The Jets aren't asking Will McDonald to play, you know, head up over the offensive tackle. So I think people when they go into his evaluation I'm talking about David Bailey in his run defense. A lot of those bad reps came in a position he's most likely not going to play, but for schematic wise, teams in college did it because it made it a lot easier for their secondary and their linebackers. So he's a guy that I've seen set a vertical edge, set up physical edge when he's on the outside shoulder of a tackle, and that's exactly what he'll be asked to do in Aaron Glenns system. Sometimes he'll line up even over the tight end, and I haven't seen too many tight ends block him watching the tape at Texas, tex So he's a guy that's going to be one of those outside linebackers on the outside of the tight end or the tackle. He'll be able to set the edge. They'll ask him to drop, but he did at Texas Tech and he actually did it a pretty good level. I believe he had three or four pass breakups. He has a I for knowing when he's not going to get to the quarterback, to get in the vision of the quarterback and get his hands up and knock the ball down as well. So specifically an AG system, he'll be an outside linebacker. He'll be outside the tight end, outside the tackle, and he'll be able to get up, feel and create.
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Speaker 2: Having Okay, so you're running up with the card and you're saying, David Bailey out of Texas Tech twenty six sacs last season. You just articulated that I want to talk to you about run defense a little bit. Yeap, How different potentially can this be twenty six? Because of course the Jets want to get to the quarterback, but they have to stop teams on the ground. Just bringing to Mario Davis in I think helps you tremendously off the bat, But can you speak to the linebacker spot how he potentially can help Jamie and Surewood maybe play a different role than he has in the past here with the Jets, and then also those pieces up front. What do you see on paper as far as the Jets and maybe an improved or vastly improved rush defense.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so glad, my guy, the Mario Davis is back where it all started. The guy you talked about earlier is going to be the key though to Andandre Sweat, and I know there's been talks about him when it comes to his way. That was the question with him coming out of the University of Texas, right. We knew the skill set was there, we knew we could be a dominant player, but could he be able to stay on the field right Because of his size, a lot of people wondered would he only be at first and second down player? But he showed it to see at times he could push the pocket and essentially maybe even affect the quarterback. So his conditioning, I think is going to be the biggest thing for the Jets. He's got to be able to stay on the field because one guy's not blocking that guy. Justught by sure mass alone, one guy's not blocking that guy, and it's going to be able to allow the Mario and Jamieen to free flow over the top to make plays. So it'll be incumbent on Harrison Phillips, who is one of the best pros in the game to really bring him along, right, you talked about Jawan Briggs and that was a pleasant surprise as well. He'll be probably one of those three four ds with Harrison Phillips, and then you'll have to and Andre Sweat in the middle of the defense as that zero knows that space eater in the middle, and that's how you improve your run defense. You got to have those big bodies up front to allow these linebackers to free flow over the top, and you want to be really good on first and second down. We talked about David Bailey and Will McDonald affecting the quarterback. Well, ea, if teams are in like third and five, it's hard to really affect the quarterback because the ball comes out quick. So those guys up front, along with the Mario Davis and Jamie and Sherwood in this three four defensive Aaron Glenn's defense, they got to be fundamentally sound on first and second down. But to me, we talked about the Mario Davis, but it starts with Devandre Sweat up front, Well.
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Speaker 2: In a perfect world, how many snaps per game do you want the big space Eater play?
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Speaker 1: I would say, in a perfect world, if he's conditioning, it's where it needs to be. Thirty to thirty five. Okay, you want at least thirty five out of him. You can get thirty five, you're living really good. And then again you have the subsequent depth now with those two other guys and guys behind them, to be able to come in and take some reps off of him. But in a perfect world, you want him to get at least thirty or thirty five snaps.
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Speaker 3: All right, what do you make of the move?
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Speaker 2: Maka Fitzpatrick a Jersey native coming back here. This is his third team and three years. I know people are looking at the takeaway numbers and saying they haven't been there the last couple of years.
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Speaker 3: I think for me, I look.
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Speaker 2: At Miami and say, that was a really unique situation. Last year they were decimated by injuries. So Makeup was kind of the guy. He was the glue man holding everything together. So if you need me to go here and I'm gonna play big Nickel, I'll play big Nickel, or you need me more in the box whatever things like that. I still think this guy has the ability to take the ball away.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be interesting to see how AG wants to use him because he does have that versatility to play the nickel position and to play you know, middlefield safety as well. He's always been a field general to be able to take the football away. We saw that in his days with the Pittsburgh Steelers. But I thought this was a home run get just because again it was a move that they're in MOODI made that didn't cost the Jets a ton of money. They were able to do a nice little extension with him to make sure he's gonna be with us for the next couple of years. And obviously you want somebody that's had the experience and also played at the level that Mikaz played at to help out that secondary. Like there's been some struggles at the safety position for the Jets over the last couple of years, and I would say from what we did in free agency, this is probably the most competition we've seen in that room in a long time, as far as you know, guys that have played a lot, right, Dame Belton comes over with extensive experience for the Giants playing that third safety role also a special team's ace as well. Got Malachi in last year's drift who played a lot, especially towards the end of last year's draft. And then you bring Cisco back who had some injuries last year for the Jets. So you got guys that have a lot of experience and now you actually have a good room for good competition, and like they always say, right the cream of the crop rises. So I love when there's competition in the room. But it's all going to be under the tutelage of Mika Fitzpatrick, because this is a guy, like to your point, it's been a perennial All Pro. Now the takeaways have not been there the last couple of years, and hopefully coming back home where he grew grew up, he has a knack for getting that football away, I mean, and that's something that Debts really need in the worst way, because the Debt struggled to take the football away last year as well. But I love bringing in a veteran like Minka Fitzpatrick. That's why I said to start this podcast. Yeah, you talked about it. I just thought Darren, Moojie and AG did a really good job of bringing in good football. Yeah. I think that's what the Jets needed more than anything to stabilize not only this defense, but the offense. Just bringing quality players, because if you get enough quality players on your roster, that's how you turn into a good team.
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Speaker 2: All right, So I'm jumping around a little bit, But since we're talking about secondary, how big of a need do you think secondary is in the draft? You do have the nine picks, you do have the four selections in the top forty four, and you know, safety, cornerback.
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Speaker 3: How do you view that?
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Speaker 2: How do you weigh that as far as a priority for the Jets draft weekend?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they did a really good job of bringing in some guys veteran wise this all season. But you always want to build through the draft. So I would not be surprised if they took a swing at both of those positions in the draft, and I would even say probably on Day two. Honestly, at least one of them. On Day two. The Jets do have two second round picks, I could see them going, you know, either safety or corner one of those, and then maybe later on in the draft. I believe they have a fourth and two fifths sof I'm not mistaken. They could take a flyer on a corner or safety there as well. So I do believe they will take one of those positions early in this draft, in the second round, whether that's pick thirty three or forty four, I'm not mistaken as the other pick, just because I think for sustained success, you got to build through the draft. Even though you did bring in a lot of veterans.
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Speaker 2: Yes, stay in a corner. You got Brandon Stevens. A Z Thomas played really well. He was a draft pick. His season was cut short last year, but he had a streak before he landed on ir where he like six consecutive games with pds. You also picked up Jarvis Brownlee, who, yeah, that he's nasty from that nickel position, so he gives you that. He gives you that physicality, toughness that you know that Aaron Glenn loves.
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Speaker 3: And then interesting free agent signing.
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Speaker 2: I got to ask you this, and you might not the full You might not know the full answer because you're not inside the building. But nay Shaan Wright, he led NFL takeaways last year. That contract looks really good from my perspective. Uh, and I know he gave up some plays as well. Why do you think he was out there and the Jets were able to secure him at the price they did, so.
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Speaker 1: I would explain it like this, EA, and he was actually I think I think like a third round pick originally, if I'm not mistaken, it bounced around a little bit. Uh. But when you've been a guy that's bounced around a little bit, I always talk about We talked about this earlier in the show ya Rules and Exceptions, Right, So the NFL has a rule if you're usually an undrafted guy or a late round pick, they want to be able to see you do it multiple years in a row before giving you an extensive bag. So I think for nay Sean Wright, it was kind of a one year success for him, and teams want to be able to see that consistently on a consistent year in and year out basis, because, like I said, before he got to Chicago, he bounced around. The only reason why he got an opportunity is because Jalen Johnson got hurt in Chicago, right. But he took full advantage, and that's what you should do as a player, take full advantage of the opportunity that you're given. So to me, just talking to different NFL teams and just knowing how they think EA, to me, it was a thing where he was a one year wonder. They want to make sure before they give him a two to three year bag with multiple years in the deal, that consistently do it again. And I thought for the price, like you said, I thought that was a home run Hitt. Now the thing is, he's actually better playing at zone playing and at half turned with his vision to the quarterback, and he's got that long body where he can go up and get the football. And it'll be interesting because Ag kind of predominantly likes to play man coverage, so that's where he struggled at times last year in Chicago. So that'll be the interesting thing to see how they plan to use him and how Ag depends or plans to mix in coverages with zone and man when he's on the field.
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Speaker 2: Do you like any of the corners in his draft? Do you love any of the corners in this draft?
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Speaker 1: I do. I think they won't take a corner in the first round, but say a guy like Brandon Cisa or Avian Terrell fall in the second round. Had picked thirty three forty four makes a lot of sense. Aj Halsey, I really love the safety from LSU. If he's there at forty four, I might go run that card in. I just think his temperament and the physicality he brings is something that the Jets need. Like he's that guy that's like a bull in a china shop. He's going to be that tone setter. And I think again for that second there, that's something the Jets could really lean in on. And he also be a really good special teams player as well to start off his career.
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Speaker 3: I like the halls he loved there.
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Speaker 2: But Tinaman, Emmanuel McNeil, Warren, those are guys who both probably could go or are likely to go in the first round. You think you think the Jets probably stay away from safety early or do you consider it sixteen one of those guys.
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Speaker 1: I just think positional value, you don't take either one of those guys. And I actually love both of the players. I really love he Mayuel Warren McNeil. He just gravitates to the football.
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Speaker 3: Like he's a big till he's yeah.
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Speaker 1: Big safety, has really good range, can play in the boss, can play middlefield safety as well, and it's kind of like Nayshon right, it's not just him, you know, taking the ball away by interceptions. He punches the ball out really well as well too, so like if you want a turnover magnet, that's literally Mayuel Warren McNeil. But I just think for where they're going to most likely go when it comes to positional value, they'll probably go around the twenty mark, twenty to thirty two mark. I just think sixteen is a little rich to take one of those two safeties.
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Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 2: For a long time, I think a lot of people been circling receiver and saying the Jets with that number sixteen overall selection should take wide out there.
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Speaker 3: Can you assess what they have in house right now?
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Speaker 2: Because Darren Mugi Aaron Glenn both very complementary of the group, as you would expect, they're the guys in the building. But you do have a star receiver and Garrett Wilson who's coming back from injury. I want to say that listen man his first three years in the league, not only did he have eighty plus catches in a thousand yards receiving in each of those years, but he played all seventeen games. So listen that's an outlier. What happened in year four?
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Speaker 1: Correct?
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Speaker 2: You traded for ed Ni Mitchell. That was a great trade, the Sauce Gardner deal. You get the two ones and Mitchell, so the Jets can get a longer look at him this year as well. Metchi becomes a free agent. He ended up signing with another team. The name escapes me right now. And another guy who's interesting that I think that people forget about is Isaiah Williams, who really flashed his returner. I thought he was intriguing his offensive weapon. The Jets also drafted Arian Smith last year, so assess the position group as we head into draft weekend.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he talked about it. Ad Mitchell. The question with him is can he consistently be a two or is he a three? Right? I think that's the biggest question with him. He finally got his opportunity with the Jets after having some struggles with Indian Appolis. I thought that was a good trade, not only for the Jets, but for him as well, because we remember the play where he had a chance to I believe it was on the rams to go up and he fumbled the ball at the one yard line, but he was able to mentally get over that and play some good football down the stretch for the Jets with his opportunity with Garret Wilson not being in the lineup. You talked about it, G Dubb, that was an outlier season. This guy is usually always there. He's a guy who's going to continue to fight, play in and play out. And those numbers that you talked about, he did it with a cast of characters. A quarterback he didn't really have consistency.
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Speaker 4: And six or seven quarterbacks man exactly, So that shows you what type of player he is. Isaya Williams is the interesting one, right because talk about a roller coaster of a season right struggling in the beginning of the year on special teams. I know a lot of fans we're out on him, but I thought AG did a really good job by pouring into this young man, and I thought he should have been an All Pro last year as a returner. I thought it was travesty and a crime that he wasn't on the All Pro team as a returner last.
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Speaker 1: Year, because he rightfully deserved that. But then he also showed you that he's not just a gadget guy on offense either, Like he can be a viable three four receiver on this team. So to me, he is an interesting piece because he could have a nice role on this offense. But I do think they need to add another piece. You're talking about Smith who played mainly on special teams last year and he's looking to develop into this year as well. But I do think, you know, most mark drafts do have the just taking a receiver in the first round. I think that would not only help Garrett, but helped Gino Smith as well.
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Speaker 2: All Right, you just mentioned Garrett, you mentioned Gino Smith. Who's the right player for this team. I know a lot of folks are saying, Carnel Tait, Okay, well, you're not gonna take him at two. You're probably not gonna take him at two, and he's most definitely not.
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Speaker 3: Going to be there at sixteen.
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Speaker 2: So if you're in the tape business, you would have to move up. I don't know how you feel about moving up overall. I'll get your thoughts on that. But then the other two guys, there a lot of different opinions on Jordan Tyson, who I really love. I see a lot of Garrett Wilson in his game. And then mackay Lemon, of course, was ultra productive at USC. I don't know if people are comparing him to a Mon Ross Saint Brown just because they both played at USC. I know they're well, I know they're smaller, stature in tough as hell, and I like his game as well. So how do you kind of separate that and would you consider a move up? Well?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you might have to in this draft, just from talking to the teams and executives that I've talked to, the big thing and me and you are talking on this this Wednesday, right, there's a big workout this Friday for Jordan Tyson where all the scouts in the NFL will be in Arizona to watch him work out, because that's the biggest thing with him health. If it wasn't for health, Jordan Tyson would be the clear cut number one receiver in this draft. I don't even think it's closed. It's been crazy to hear ea these narratives put out there about his competitiveness and I'm like, do y'all not know who his receiver coach is? He's probably the most hard receiver ever in NFL history. In Hunts, you think you're playing for that, dude, if you're non competitive. There were times where Jordan Tyson stuck it up just to be out there with his teammates when he didn't have to, because we all assumed he was going in the first round before this season even started, right, We've seen other receivers shut it down. Jordan Tyson didn't, and he had two thousand yards receiving over the last two years. He's had to play some football, right, Like, you don't have that type of production if you're not on the field. So he's a guy that is physical at the catch point, a guy that can win at the line of scrimmage right now, really has a well versed route tree as well, and I like that he is competitive with the ball in the air. But Kyle Limon, you talked about it, he's just a junkyard doll, right. You usually don't associate gritty with receivers, But every time I turn on his tape, I was like, that's just a gritty player. Like, I love the physicality that he plays with and the contact balance that he has. He just bounces off the things and the next thing you know, it's thirty forty yards down the road and he's still running with the football. So if you want that guy that a slot guy that can get you yard, you have to catch that contact balance. Kyle Leman is that guy. And then Cardnell Take. You asked, would they just trade up to get him? I'm not sure if I'm in that boat, just because my biggest question with Carnell Tape, and I like him a lot, is he's never truly had to be the number one guy right now. Again, that's not his fault. Ohio State is wide receiver you for a reason, right when you have Jackson Smith and Jig, but right when you have you know Harrison, Marvin Harrison Junior there as well when you have a guy like Jeremiah Smith who's there now like like that's why their wide receiver you. But are you trading up in the top seven for a number two receiver essentially because Garrett Wilson's your number one? Or do you feel like Take can be better than Garrett? And I don't think that Tape, from what I've seen on tape, can be better than Garrett Wilson. So if I'm the just I wouldn't go that route. But I'm not saying that they shouldn't trade up to get a guy because all three of those guys could be gone by pick sixteen. There's a real reality ea where all three of those guys are gone by sixteen. But I don't know if I'm trading into the top seven. If I can get one of those guys at like twelve or thirteen, I think it makes a little bit more.
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Speaker 2: All Right, So you brought up something great, and this is a podcast, but we are taping it on Wednesday. If Tyson goes out there has a great day on Friday, could he be the first receiver taken in the twenty twenty six NFL Draft.
00:31:29
Speaker 1: If teams like the medical and are cool with the medical, I think there's a real chance he will be the first receiver taking because again to me, he's wide receiver. One the reason why he's not is because of the injury factor and the concerns and talking to some teams, there have been concerns with that because he's had some bad luck with injuries. So like you said that, I believe the shoulder, the hamstring what you finished with last year as well, and he hasn't been able to do anything throughout this whole process. So again, if he goes out there, and kills. It looks good and people are comfortable with the medical I think there is a chance. But as we say here today on this Wednesday, I do believe Cardnel Tate will be the first.
00:32:06
Speaker 2: All right, man, that's a nightmare scenario for Jets fans. You talking about three receivers being off the board before the Gots select at number sixteen overall, how do you separate the other guys after that? The Dunzel Boston's of the world, the Casey concepts, the owners of the world, Omar Cooper's how do you separate these guys? And is that too rich for Lejay Douzable at sixteen or is there a guy or two in there that you like, you'd be like, yeah, I'd be comfortable going there.
00:32:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's too rich for the next group. And these are the tiers, right, that's Tier one of the three guys we talked about in the beginning, and then there's Tier two, which a lot of those guys will probably go with the back of the first round. I love Omar Cooper. He's another gritty receiver as well, another good slot guy that's run after the catch ability that's tough to bring down. I mean, like, it's really hard to bring that guy down in open space. He's a guy that I really like. I think sixteenth a little bit too. Rich Denzel Boston is probably the best contested catcher in this draft. He's also really good on those dig routes and those inbreaking routes as well. I know people were concerned about his speed and I don't believe he actually ran an official forty time, but on tape he's able to get a little bit of separation down the field. But he's a guy that's that X receiver you're gonna stick on the outside and say go up and get the football. Casey concepts. Young gives you special teams ability as a punt returner and probably with Jordan Tyson, to me, Hobby has the most depth to their route tree right ran the most different routes at Texas A and M. The biggest question with him with him was concentration drops. I believe he had eight last year, so that is a concern and you wonder where his mental is with that. But the skill is there and I would throw one more guy in there, Chris Brazzo from Tennessee as another big body receiver, and I know people have this stigma with with Tennessee receivers, like he only one side of the field. His route tree is in that debt in depth, but he actually for the receivers that have come out of Tennessee the last couple of years, his route tree is way more first than those receivers that have come out the last couple of years from Tennessee. And his ability at six foot four to be able to get in and out of breaks. It's rare for somebody that size to be able to get in and out of the breaks as quick as he's able to. So he's an intriguing guy, especially at the top of the second round.
00:34:25
Speaker 2: And another guy that I'm fascinated by is where is Chris Bell going to go? Because that kid from Louisville, He's got rare size speed combination. He is a big dude who can fly, who comes from Louisville, he learned under Jeff Brohm. Of course, he's coming off injury though, and then how the teams weigh that and when is he going to be ready to play? Because to me, Bell is one of the better talents in this draft at the receiver position.
00:34:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's definitely a run after catch guy. When you look at the makeup of his route tree, a lot of it, a lot of underneath stuff, a lot of drag routes, a lot of stuff where he can run after the cat. So that was my biggest concern with them. The talent is definitely there. He's a physical specimen and he can really go get it and run, but he doesn't have a verse route tree at all. And then you talked about also coming off that knee injury, where are teams at with him medically? When would he potentially be ready to play? Will he miss all the training camp and maybe start the year on the pup pup. That's something that teams are gonna have to weigh in when looking at Chris Bell.
00:35:29
Speaker 3: All right, let's sign here.
00:35:30
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the quarterback position. We started by talking about Geno Smith. The Jets have the nine draft picks, the four in the top forty four. They do have ten draft picks next year, including three first round picks, and everybody circled that draft as saying that's gonna be a great quarterback class.
00:35:49
Speaker 3: Will it, Well, We'll have to see no, because I mean, honestly.
00:35:53
Speaker 1: I mean they said the same thing this year that's right.
00:35:55
Speaker 3: That's right. So that's why I'm like, okay, pumped the brakes on.
00:36:01
Speaker 1: It is.
00:36:02
Speaker 2: With all that being said, do you want the Jets to take a quarterback in this draft and do you view Ty Simpson as your number two passer?
00:36:14
Speaker 3: Where would the spot be?
00:36:16
Speaker 2: Or you just say, if your mouje and your AG build that roster man, and then once I get to round four, because I don't have a round three pick right now, we'll.
00:36:25
Speaker 3: To see if that changes.
00:36:27
Speaker 2: Because Mujie we know, is very open to trading, I would imagine I would not be surprised. I should say if the Jets try to retrieve a third round pick and get back up there. But would you take a quarterback in the fourth round or fifth round in this draft?
00:36:46
Speaker 1: I would, But to answer your first question about Ty Simpson, I'm a huge believer. I think he's a first round quarterback. And if everybody in the front office and the coaching staff has done their due diligence and their true believers, you take Ty Simpson now wits team maybe a little high for him. So I would say you have two second round picks, maybe you jockey around to try to move in in the back of the first round with one of those teams at the back half, maybe the Texans or a team like that, see if they'd wanted to move off to gain another second round pick. But that's where I would probably take time. Now, if you're truly believe in him, take him at sixteen. Is it the worst thing in the world? Ea for Todd Simpson to sit and learn behind Geno smil for a year? Because if you take your quarterback of the future next year, are you gonna just throw him in the fire his first year?
00:37:32
Speaker 3: Like?
00:37:32
Speaker 1: Haven't we rinsed and repeated that enough? It used to be that quarterbacks, no matter where you went in the first round, what's sit and learn? What happened to that? We have recent history that shows that works, right, Patrick Mahomes right, Aaron Rodgers, Jordan love Do. I got to keep going down the list, like there is usually a really good benefit for guys sitting and waiting. I mean even Drake may sat for what six or seven games before he started, Right, So my thing is, isn't the worst thing if you're truly all in on Ty Simpson, you believe he can be a starting quarterback for your franchise, to take him this year and have him sit for a year, right and build up the roster the right way around him. Is that the worst thing in the world. No, So I don't believe something.
00:38:17
Speaker 3: You're bringing up great points right now.
00:38:18
Speaker 2: So here's the thing about Simpson I watch a lot of SEC football during the fall, is that he really calm in the pocket, really accurate. He's got natural leadership in tangibles.
00:38:32
Speaker 3: Here's my thing.
00:38:33
Speaker 2: The two things that stand out on the other side of Ledger. I want to see where Lejay's at the size any concern There also the playing time that he's had in college before coming in. But you're mentioning him coming into a situation where hey man, he can get the experience on the practice field.
00:38:50
Speaker 3: We don't have to rush him out.
00:38:53
Speaker 1: Do you remember the last Jet quarterback that went to the playoffs and how many starts he had coming in?
00:38:58
Speaker 2: The last Jet quarterback went to the playoffs, That would be Mark Sanchez.
00:39:03
Speaker 1: He only had I think sixteen starts, right, that's correct, one more than Todd Simpson. And the funny thing is they actually threw him in the fire right away.
00:39:12
Speaker 2: Now, again, the legendary defense great offense was different.
00:39:18
Speaker 1: Defense was definitely different. My thing is with Todd Simpson when you look at the the rest of the quarterbacks in this draft, including Fernando Mendoza, when you talk about running a pro style offense, there wasn't a quarterback that's probably more ready for the NFL than Todd Simpsons because of the offense he ran Alabama and you always talk about can a quarterback elevate you? Yeah, there was good portions of last year where Todd Simms had to put up minimum thirty points for Alabama to even win games, like literally, and I was one of the guys everybody was talking about Tody being the number one quarterback for nine weeks to the college football season. He didn't just forget how to play football. And let's not forget something that you don't associate Alabama with EA is not being able to run the football. They could not run the football for anything last year. So everything fell on Ty Simpson. And we're not even talking about the drops that his receivers have. Let's not even get into that world, because it was god awful. I like the way I love I love him too. He's a second I think he's a second round receiver and a guy that just maybe at forty four, depending how big a you know, transpire, could be a good pick for the Jets. So to me, when you look at a quarterback that can elevate your team, and I get what people are saying about the size, but that's why I think a year sitting behind a venturing quarterback back like Gino makes sense because not only could he get better on the field, he can get better in the weight room and put on some boat in size, Like he would only be losing weight if he's playing right, but if he's not taking those play reps, he has a chance to build up that boat that he needs to would stand a seventeen game season. So I would love to see the research on guys that have played, you know, under sixteen starts whatever, and then how many of those scenarios were they thrust into action right away compared to sitting, And then I would like to see that research and see how it pans out.
00:41:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, you sound like former Jets quarterback Chad Pettington, because we always discussed that he was one of the four races. In two thousand, he said what great value it was for him to come in the National Football League and learn behind Vinnie Testaverdi and when d and when Shed was handed the reins man, he was ready. He came out of the ready, he came out of the gate firing. He always talks about the benefit of going on the practice field and making those mistakes and learning and going back and not making them on Sunday, whereas a lot of these kids are thrown into the fire because hey man, this is our franchise quarterback now and ready or not, here we come. But so lastly, Simpson, you're saying, if the Jets love them, you go with sixteen.
00:42:00
Speaker 3: Here's my question. Thirty three is in your eyes?
00:42:06
Speaker 2: What's the reality that he gets past everybody in round one and we're talking about the Jets at thirty three.
00:42:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that would be a dream scenario for the Jets. I just don't see it happening. I think it's going to be like a Jackson Dark scenario. A team like the Arizona Cardinals could potentially trade back up into the first round because I'm not mistaken. I think they pick right behind us at thirty four, so they have the draft ammunition to move up as well. Say they're only moving up like six spots to get him. At the back of the first like the Giants did last year with Dart and then even a team like the Pittsburgh Steelers who would probably want to move back to do it. The thing is this draft, there's so much similarity when it comes to where players are drafted. Honestly, the player you get at eighteen, you may be able to get it fifty two. So our team's going to be willing to move up for certain players and they feel like there's a similar draft or grade on the guy that they like at that same position later on in the draft, that's where Pittsburgh might have to maybe pull the trigger earlier than they would want to get him as well.
00:43:06
Speaker 3: Which developmental quarterback do you like the bust?
00:43:10
Speaker 1: Ah, So there's a couple guys. I think Sawyer. A lot of people aren't talking yeah Sawyer, Robinson and a lot of guys aren't talking about big arm quarterback. I think you can get him late in the draft and be a developmental guy. I know Carson Beck has been a guy that's done the just have done extensive work on I like him more in the fourth round than the third round. He's a guy that actually has a ton of starts. We talked about Todd Simpson. He's the total opposite. He's played plenty of football right and has a ton of smart and then gut. Garrett Nesmayer isn't a triggering guy too that I probably like on in the round four as well. Now, the interesting thing with him, you'll see some stuff on tape hea and be like, wow, this is what everybody's talking about, And then you'll turn some stuff on tape and you just scratch your head like what was the kid thinking here? Like? So he has a little bit of Jacquelin High to his game, but you love of the you know, the doctor Jeko part of his game more than the mister High. He has the long, the big arm, can make every throw from within the pocket as well. It's just a consistency and not making some of those those I would say bone head head scratching plays that concern you with Gary Nesmeyer.
00:44:18
Speaker 3: All Right, man, this is a lot of fun.
00:44:20
Speaker 2: Enjoy the draft because we're gonna have a lot to talk about once we get through that weekend. The Jets are about to get better, and it's gonna be fun watching Mousie navigate around this board because I think he's done.
00:44:32
Speaker 3: A really good job.
00:44:34
Speaker 2: As the Jets continue to transition here, you know, like, yeah, there's been a lot of there's been a lot of change, and obviously the season did not go the way anybody wanted here at One Jets Drive. But as far as the off season, you're kind of seeing from free agency to now, like there has been a very clear vision where they want to go and now we're gonna have to see how it all unfolds the draft weekend.
00:44:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited for Draft weekend for this staff, for AG and Derek Mouja, and we talked about it to start this show that I thought they did a really good job of bringing in veteran players with the right pedigree and temperament and good frontline starters to really build out this roster now in the draft. That's what it's all about, building through the draft. You want to supplement with free agency, but then build through the draft. Excited to see what the staff does.
00:45:26
Speaker 3: Thanks buddy, We'll talk to you soon.
00:45:28
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 1: Will meet anybody in the world, and I think we're gonna win next Sunday. That's wonder.
00:00:11
Speaker 2: I can't wait.
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Speaker 3: Dudes, has been too long. How you doing, man?
00:00:20
Speaker 1: I'm doing great? How about yourself?
00:00:22
Speaker 3: Not bad?
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Speaker 2: Draft is almost here? If we're talking about what eight days now, it's here.
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Speaker 1: It's it's crazy because every year I feel like we always say the same thing, like the off season begins and you know everything's going slow, than you turn around and it's like heang, you're a week away from the draft, like it happened so fast. And I just think because the NFL has essentially become a business word, it's a three sixty five type deal now that as soon as you leave the combine right as soon as these guys going thirty business, you turn around, you look up, teams are coming back for off season program and the draft is here.
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Speaker 2: We can take this in any one of a number of directions. But as far as the Jets offseason is concerned, what they've done, What does that tell you about the way they're going to approach this draft.
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Speaker 1: I think they just did a really good job not bottling themselves into taking one position or another. I thought they brought in a lot of good players that have a physical tenacity, especially when you look at the defensive line. You bring in a guy like Josephsai Kingsey and and bar Ray. These are both physically gifted players that really attack the run game and can give you some pass rush ability. Dylan Parham is a guy on the other side of the trenches that has extensive starting experience, starting experience not only at the guard position, but the center position as well. So I thought Darren, Mouji and AG just did a really good job of bringing in sound, physical players that have experienced to like plug up some holes that way in the draft, they're not essentially reaching for a position to kind of fill that void that's not there on the team.
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Speaker 2: The acquisition to Gino Smith coming over from the Raiders, he'll begin a second stint with the Green and White. What did you make of the move and what does that mean for the Jets in the short term?
00:02:23
Speaker 1: To me, the Jets need to somebody that was going to be able to steer the ship, and I think Geno Smith has done it. And I agree with all the sentiments that AG said. Gino didn't just stop learning how to play football. You go back to what he did in Seattle. You know, perennial Pro bowler for a couple of years he was there. And then you also have to look at the situation of player is put in where he's at. Let's not forget and not to talk about other teams, but they brought in a coordinator and they made him the highest paid cordinator in football. He didn't even make it through the season. They had issues on the offensive line right Gino was under the rest constantly and they had a turnstile key when it came to the rotation of the offensive line because of injuries. It's hard for any quarterback to have success when you're under pressure so quickly, and then also the offense is just not on the same page, and then your best playmaker. Let's not forget brock Bauers got hurt Week one versus Patriots. People forget that the Las Vegas Raiders beat the team that represented the AFC in the Super Bowl in Week one in New England, Patriots, and that's when they were actually healthy. Right, brock Bauers was never healthy again after Week one. So you have to look at all these factors that go into why there may have been some struggles with Geno, and you just don't see a player that doesn't know how to play the game anymore. Like there was obviously other factors into him not having a success that he wanted to have at Las Vegas. And I love that the Jests were able to make this move one, it was cost efficient. In two again, you just needed somebody to steer the ship under center, and I believe Geno Smith can be that guy.
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Speaker 2: So entering this draft the quarterback position Jets number two overall, Dante Moore alects to go back to school. So we know Fernando Mendoz that the consensus there is, and I'm sure you agree that he's going to the Las Vegas Raiders at that two spot. For probably months we thought, hey, maybe the Jet's gonna go with quarterback, but Dante Moore stays in school. As this has developed, do you feel, as a guy who played defensive line, that this should be an edge whether it is r VL Reese or David Bailey, or are you more open to the thought of, hey, there are some great players there at typically non premium positions. Jeremiah Love the running back out of Notre Dame, a linebacker like as sonny styles. Do you consider those two or you think for the Jets right now, the right pick is an.
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Speaker 1: Edge to And this is not me being biased as a defensive lineman. The right pick is the edge. And it's about what you talked about, positional value. It's a real thing. I know people throw that word around loosely and people always say, well, just take the best player available. But whether you want to admit it or not, yeah, you know. I'm a big component of rules exceptions, right there's exceptions to the rules and there's the rules. I think too many people live in that outside lier of exceptions and that's what gets you beat or not having sustained success. When you look at the Jets last year, twenty six secs, that's thirty first in the NFL. There's only thirty two teams in the NFL. You're in a division with Josh Allen and Drake May. You got to be able to effect the quarterback and to me, having an edge that can consistently do that on a down in and down basis will give you an edge in this division. So to me, it has to be an edge at pick number two one because of positional value. But two it's a major need for this team. We just talked about the numbers EA twenty six sacks, right, only thirty two teams in the NFL. They were thirty first in the NFL. They have to be able to consistently affect the quarterback.
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Speaker 2: One of the things I really enjoy come summertime is getting out there and watching training camp practices because during the year you only allowed out there for the first thirty minutes, which is basically stretching individual activities, and you're reporting on guys who are not practicing, and then you go inside. Now when we're watching practices together, I love the way you analyze the guys.
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Speaker 3: As far as the pass rushers are concerned.
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Speaker 2: So, how do you separate Bailey in edge because right now the conversation, I mean Bailey and Reese. Right now, the conversation is Bailey is an advanced pass rusher, but Reese might have the higher ceiling overall because he's an explosive freak.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'll look at it like this. Bailey has the production and has also played the position his entire life, right, so you're gonna get instant pass rush ability from him. So when you look at Reese, he's a versatile piece. I don't think he's gonna be an edge guy even in the future. I think he's a better off ball linebacker that in certain packages, kind of like Frankie Louvou for the Commanders. You can put him on the edge on third down packages, so people will say he has a high upside. When you actually break down the tape EA of him on the edge, A lot of those sacks were him stemming at the last second and blitzing off the edge. There wasn't a whole bunch of sacks of him just lining up on the edge and going And that's why I think in certain packages you can use him as a sub rusher all up and down the line of scripts, not just on the edge. We've seen him in the middle of the defense over the center, beat centers. We've seen him take running backs and push them back into the quarterback slap. I think that's where his superpower is, using that freakist athletic ability that you talked about. Yes, he set the edge a few times, more specifically in that Penn State game. But I think for him, his versatility is off the ball, his physicality to be able to lock out offensive guards. His ability to chase quarterbacks down in a quarterback spy role is where his superpower is. Where with David Bailey, you know if you put him on the edge, you're going to get instant impact as a pass rusher. And that's something that Jets need.
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Speaker 3: So are you leaning towards Bailey or for you? Or for you? Is it clear that Bailey's the guy?
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Speaker 1: I think it's clear that David Bailey is the guy. Again when you look at what the Jets need, you need a guy that's going to be productive from day one. Yes, I love the upside of r vel Reach and I love r Veil Reach. He's actually on the Dudes his Dog's List with one of my top players in the league, guys that have that temperament. But to me, for what the Jets need right now, they need instant impact pass rushing, get after the quarterback. We gain you the numbers earlier in regards to how the Debts struggle to affect the quarterback last year. With Davy Bailey, you're going to get the most productive rusher in this draft at pick number two.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So how is he going to be used in Aaron Glenn's defense? Because what We're trying to do right now is interpret what AG's going to do by looking back at Detroit. Now, he did sign Brian Duker, a guy who's got a lot of familiarity with his system from their days together with the Lions. Of course, so Duker is his DC. AG is calling plays. When you look at the defensive line, you mentioned a number of those guys. I'll start in the middle. The Jets made an interesting trade this offseason, acquiring the big guy deve Andre Sweat. Jermaine Johnson goes back to Tennessee. You traded for Harrison Phillips and Jawan Briggs. Briggs really, I mean, he really popped last year. So you got you got those guys.
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Speaker 3: In the middle.
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Speaker 2: You mentioned Osi Enigbari as well, and then you have Will McDonald freak.
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Speaker 3: So how does we know he's an edge?
00:10:04
Speaker 2: The Jets will have the ability to play three four and four to three.
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Speaker 3: We know that.
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Speaker 2: Aaron Glenn laughed about it because he said, listen, in this league, you're gonna be so multiple anyway, you're not gonna call this defense three four, four to three. But specifically with Bailey, how does he fit in with those other pieces?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? So you talked about the AG system is kind of a three four four three hybrid. He goes back and forth in his days of Detroit. So David Bailey's gonna be an outside rusher, outside linebacker in this game him Will McDonald. I could even see Kingsley in and Barre playing the outside linebacker, but in the four to three playing that heavy side d right and then Joseph Asaid being an outside linebacker as well. So now you've got subsequent depth, which yeah, we've talked about the last couple of years of Jes have not really had depth like that at the edge position. So if you get a guy like David Bailey, you're talking about having four competent rushers on the outside with Kingsley and a Barra, Joseph VISI, Will McDonald, and David Bailey. That's something that Jets have not had over the last couple of years. And with David Bailey, I know people talk a lot about his run defense, but you have to understand at Texas Tech, when you play college football, a lot of teams play the spread offense, which means one of the linebackers has to be detached to go getting coverage. So what that means it reduces and when I say reduces, it moves the edge guy head up over a tackle. He's not going to be acted to do that in the AG system, right, I mean, he's two hundred and fifty five, two hundred and sixty pounds like Will McDonald was actually to do that at Iowa State. The Jets aren't asking Will McDonald to play, you know, head up over the offensive tackle. So I think people when they go into his evaluation I'm talking about David Bailey in his run defense. A lot of those bad reps came in a position he's most likely not going to play, but for schematic wise, teams in college did it because it made it a lot easier for their secondary and their linebackers. So he's a guy that I've seen set a vertical edge, set up physical edge when he's on the outside shoulder of a tackle, and that's exactly what he'll be asked to do in Aaron Glenns system. Sometimes he'll line up even over the tight end, and I haven't seen too many tight ends block him watching the tape at Texas, tex So he's a guy that's going to be one of those outside linebackers on the outside of the tight end or the tackle. He'll be able to set the edge. They'll ask him to drop, but he did at Texas Tech and he actually did it a pretty good level. I believe he had three or four pass breakups. He has a I for knowing when he's not going to get to the quarterback, to get in the vision of the quarterback and get his hands up and knock the ball down as well. So specifically an AG system, he'll be an outside linebacker. He'll be outside the tight end, outside the tackle, and he'll be able to get up, feel and create.
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Speaker 2: Having Okay, so you're running up with the card and you're saying, David Bailey out of Texas Tech twenty six sacs last season. You just articulated that I want to talk to you about run defense a little bit. Yeap, How different potentially can this be twenty six? Because of course the Jets want to get to the quarterback, but they have to stop teams on the ground. Just bringing to Mario Davis in I think helps you tremendously off the bat, But can you speak to the linebacker spot how he potentially can help Jamie and Surewood maybe play a different role than he has in the past here with the Jets, and then also those pieces up front. What do you see on paper as far as the Jets and maybe an improved or vastly improved rush defense.
00:13:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so glad, my guy, the Mario Davis is back where it all started. The guy you talked about earlier is going to be the key though to Andandre Sweat, and I know there's been talks about him when it comes to his way. That was the question with him coming out of the University of Texas, right. We knew the skill set was there, we knew we could be a dominant player, but could he be able to stay on the field right Because of his size, a lot of people wondered would he only be at first and second down player? But he showed it to see at times he could push the pocket and essentially maybe even affect the quarterback. So his conditioning, I think is going to be the biggest thing for the Jets. He's got to be able to stay on the field because one guy's not blocking that guy. Justught by sure mass alone, one guy's not blocking that guy, and it's going to be able to allow the Mario and Jamieen to free flow over the top to make plays. So it'll be incumbent on Harrison Phillips, who is one of the best pros in the game to really bring him along, right, you talked about Jawan Briggs and that was a pleasant surprise as well. He'll be probably one of those three four ds with Harrison Phillips, and then you'll have to and Andre Sweat in the middle of the defense as that zero knows that space eater in the middle, and that's how you improve your run defense. You got to have those big bodies up front to allow these linebackers to free flow over the top, and you want to be really good on first and second down. We talked about David Bailey and Will McDonald affecting the quarterback. Well, ea, if teams are in like third and five, it's hard to really affect the quarterback because the ball comes out quick. So those guys up front, along with the Mario Davis and Jamie and Sherwood in this three four defensive Aaron Glenn's defense, they got to be fundamentally sound on first and second down. But to me, we talked about the Mario Davis, but it starts with Devandre Sweat up front, Well.
00:15:17
Speaker 2: In a perfect world, how many snaps per game do you want the big space Eater play?
00:15:24
Speaker 1: I would say, in a perfect world, if he's conditioning, it's where it needs to be. Thirty to thirty five. Okay, you want at least thirty five out of him. You can get thirty five, you're living really good. And then again you have the subsequent depth now with those two other guys and guys behind them, to be able to come in and take some reps off of him. But in a perfect world, you want him to get at least thirty or thirty five snaps.
00:15:47
Speaker 3: All right, what do you make of the move?
00:15:49
Speaker 2: Maka Fitzpatrick a Jersey native coming back here. This is his third team and three years. I know people are looking at the takeaway numbers and saying they haven't been there the last couple of years.
00:16:00
Speaker 3: I think for me, I look.
00:16:03
Speaker 2: At Miami and say, that was a really unique situation. Last year they were decimated by injuries. So Makeup was kind of the guy. He was the glue man holding everything together. So if you need me to go here and I'm gonna play big Nickel, I'll play big Nickel, or you need me more in the box whatever things like that. I still think this guy has the ability to take the ball away.
00:16:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be interesting to see how AG wants to use him because he does have that versatility to play the nickel position and to play you know, middlefield safety as well. He's always been a field general to be able to take the football away. We saw that in his days with the Pittsburgh Steelers. But I thought this was a home run get just because again it was a move that they're in MOODI made that didn't cost the Jets a ton of money. They were able to do a nice little extension with him to make sure he's gonna be with us for the next couple of years. And obviously you want somebody that's had the experience and also played at the level that Mikaz played at to help out that secondary. Like there's been some struggles at the safety position for the Jets over the last couple of years, and I would say from what we did in free agency, this is probably the most competition we've seen in that room in a long time, as far as you know, guys that have played a lot, right, Dame Belton comes over with extensive experience for the Giants playing that third safety role also a special team's ace as well. Got Malachi in last year's drift who played a lot, especially towards the end of last year's draft. And then you bring Cisco back who had some injuries last year for the Jets. So you got guys that have a lot of experience and now you actually have a good room for good competition, and like they always say, right the cream of the crop rises. So I love when there's competition in the room. But it's all going to be under the tutelage of Mika Fitzpatrick, because this is a guy, like to your point, it's been a perennial All Pro. Now the takeaways have not been there the last couple of years, and hopefully coming back home where he grew grew up, he has a knack for getting that football away, I mean, and that's something that Debts really need in the worst way, because the Debt struggled to take the football away last year as well. But I love bringing in a veteran like Minka Fitzpatrick. That's why I said to start this podcast. Yeah, you talked about it. I just thought Darren, Moojie and AG did a really good job of bringing in good football. Yeah. I think that's what the Jets needed more than anything to stabilize not only this defense, but the offense. Just bringing quality players, because if you get enough quality players on your roster, that's how you turn into a good team.
00:18:30
Speaker 2: All right, So I'm jumping around a little bit, But since we're talking about secondary, how big of a need do you think secondary is in the draft? You do have the nine picks, you do have the four selections in the top forty four, and you know, safety, cornerback.
00:18:46
Speaker 3: How do you view that?
00:18:47
Speaker 2: How do you weigh that as far as a priority for the Jets draft weekend?
00:18:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, they did a really good job of bringing in some guys veteran wise this all season. But you always want to build through the draft. So I would not be surprised if they took a swing at both of those positions in the draft, and I would even say probably on Day two. Honestly, at least one of them. On Day two. The Jets do have two second round picks, I could see them going, you know, either safety or corner one of those, and then maybe later on in the draft. I believe they have a fourth and two fifths sof I'm not mistaken. They could take a flyer on a corner or safety there as well. So I do believe they will take one of those positions early in this draft, in the second round, whether that's pick thirty three or forty four, I'm not mistaken as the other pick, just because I think for sustained success, you got to build through the draft. Even though you did bring in a lot of veterans.
00:19:41
Speaker 2: Yes, stay in a corner. You got Brandon Stevens. A Z Thomas played really well. He was a draft pick. His season was cut short last year, but he had a streak before he landed on ir where he like six consecutive games with pds. You also picked up Jarvis Brownlee, who, yeah, that he's nasty from that nickel position, so he gives you that. He gives you that physicality, toughness that you know that Aaron Glenn loves.
00:20:09
Speaker 3: And then interesting free agent signing.
00:20:12
Speaker 2: I got to ask you this, and you might not the full You might not know the full answer because you're not inside the building. But nay Shaan Wright, he led NFL takeaways last year. That contract looks really good from my perspective. Uh, and I know he gave up some plays as well. Why do you think he was out there and the Jets were able to secure him at the price they did, so.
00:20:42
Speaker 1: I would explain it like this, EA, and he was actually I think I think like a third round pick originally, if I'm not mistaken, it bounced around a little bit. Uh. But when you've been a guy that's bounced around a little bit, I always talk about We talked about this earlier in the show ya Rules and Exceptions, Right, So the NFL has a rule if you're usually an undrafted guy or a late round pick, they want to be able to see you do it multiple years in a row before giving you an extensive bag. So I think for nay Sean Wright, it was kind of a one year success for him, and teams want to be able to see that consistently on a consistent year in and year out basis, because, like I said, before he got to Chicago, he bounced around. The only reason why he got an opportunity is because Jalen Johnson got hurt in Chicago, right. But he took full advantage, and that's what you should do as a player, take full advantage of the opportunity that you're given. So to me, just talking to different NFL teams and just knowing how they think EA, to me, it was a thing where he was a one year wonder. They want to make sure before they give him a two to three year bag with multiple years in the deal, that consistently do it again. And I thought for the price, like you said, I thought that was a home run Hitt. Now the thing is, he's actually better playing at zone playing and at half turned with his vision to the quarterback, and he's got that long body where he can go up and get the football. And it'll be interesting because Ag kind of predominantly likes to play man coverage, so that's where he struggled at times last year in Chicago. So that'll be the interesting thing to see how they plan to use him and how Ag depends or plans to mix in coverages with zone and man when he's on the field.
00:22:23
Speaker 2: Do you like any of the corners in his draft? Do you love any of the corners in this draft?
00:22:29
Speaker 1: I do. I think they won't take a corner in the first round, but say a guy like Brandon Cisa or Avian Terrell fall in the second round. Had picked thirty three forty four makes a lot of sense. Aj Halsey, I really love the safety from LSU. If he's there at forty four, I might go run that card in. I just think his temperament and the physicality he brings is something that the Jets need. Like he's that guy that's like a bull in a china shop. He's going to be that tone setter. And I think again for that second there, that's something the Jets could really lean in on. And he also be a really good special teams player as well to start off his career.
00:23:06
Speaker 3: I like the halls he loved there.
00:23:08
Speaker 2: But Tinaman, Emmanuel McNeil, Warren, those are guys who both probably could go or are likely to go in the first round. You think you think the Jets probably stay away from safety early or do you consider it sixteen one of those guys.
00:23:25
Speaker 1: I just think positional value, you don't take either one of those guys. And I actually love both of the players. I really love he Mayuel Warren McNeil. He just gravitates to the football.
00:23:35
Speaker 3: Like he's a big till he's yeah.
00:23:38
Speaker 1: Big safety, has really good range, can play in the boss, can play middlefield safety as well, and it's kind of like Nayshon right, it's not just him, you know, taking the ball away by interceptions. He punches the ball out really well as well too, so like if you want a turnover magnet, that's literally Mayuel Warren McNeil. But I just think for where they're going to most likely go when it comes to positional value, they'll probably go around the twenty mark, twenty to thirty two mark. I just think sixteen is a little rich to take one of those two safeties.
00:24:09
Speaker 3: All right.
00:24:10
Speaker 2: For a long time, I think a lot of people been circling receiver and saying the Jets with that number sixteen overall selection should take wide out there.
00:24:18
Speaker 3: Can you assess what they have in house right now?
00:24:21
Speaker 2: Because Darren Mugi Aaron Glenn both very complementary of the group, as you would expect, they're the guys in the building. But you do have a star receiver and Garrett Wilson who's coming back from injury. I want to say that listen man his first three years in the league, not only did he have eighty plus catches in a thousand yards receiving in each of those years, but he played all seventeen games. So listen that's an outlier. What happened in year four?
00:24:46
Speaker 1: Correct?
00:24:46
Speaker 2: You traded for ed Ni Mitchell. That was a great trade, the Sauce Gardner deal. You get the two ones and Mitchell, so the Jets can get a longer look at him this year as well. Metchi becomes a free agent. He ended up signing with another team. The name escapes me right now. And another guy who's interesting that I think that people forget about is Isaiah Williams, who really flashed his returner. I thought he was intriguing his offensive weapon. The Jets also drafted Arian Smith last year, so assess the position group as we head into draft weekend.
00:25:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, he talked about it. Ad Mitchell. The question with him is can he consistently be a two or is he a three? Right? I think that's the biggest question with him. He finally got his opportunity with the Jets after having some struggles with Indian Appolis. I thought that was a good trade, not only for the Jets, but for him as well, because we remember the play where he had a chance to I believe it was on the rams to go up and he fumbled the ball at the one yard line, but he was able to mentally get over that and play some good football down the stretch for the Jets with his opportunity with Garret Wilson not being in the lineup. You talked about it, G Dubb, that was an outlier season. This guy is usually always there. He's a guy who's going to continue to fight, play in and play out. And those numbers that you talked about, he did it with a cast of characters. A quarterback he didn't really have consistency.
00:26:09
Speaker 4: And six or seven quarterbacks man exactly, So that shows you what type of player he is. Isaya Williams is the interesting one, right because talk about a roller coaster of a season right struggling in the beginning of the year on special teams. I know a lot of fans we're out on him, but I thought AG did a really good job by pouring into this young man, and I thought he should have been an All Pro last year as a returner. I thought it was travesty and a crime that he wasn't on the All Pro team as a returner last.
00:26:39
Speaker 1: Year, because he rightfully deserved that. But then he also showed you that he's not just a gadget guy on offense either, Like he can be a viable three four receiver on this team. So to me, he is an interesting piece because he could have a nice role on this offense. But I do think they need to add another piece. You're talking about Smith who played mainly on special teams last year and he's looking to develop into this year as well. But I do think, you know, most mark drafts do have the just taking a receiver in the first round. I think that would not only help Garrett, but helped Gino Smith as well.
00:27:13
Speaker 2: All Right, you just mentioned Garrett, you mentioned Gino Smith. Who's the right player for this team. I know a lot of folks are saying, Carnel Tait, Okay, well, you're not gonna take him at two. You're probably not gonna take him at two, and he's most definitely not.
00:27:29
Speaker 3: Going to be there at sixteen.
00:27:30
Speaker 2: So if you're in the tape business, you would have to move up. I don't know how you feel about moving up overall. I'll get your thoughts on that. But then the other two guys, there a lot of different opinions on Jordan Tyson, who I really love. I see a lot of Garrett Wilson in his game. And then mackay Lemon, of course, was ultra productive at USC. I don't know if people are comparing him to a Mon Ross Saint Brown just because they both played at USC. I know they're well, I know they're smaller, stature in tough as hell, and I like his game as well. So how do you kind of separate that and would you consider a move up? Well?
00:28:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you might have to in this draft, just from talking to the teams and executives that I've talked to, the big thing and me and you are talking on this this Wednesday, right, there's a big workout this Friday for Jordan Tyson where all the scouts in the NFL will be in Arizona to watch him work out, because that's the biggest thing with him health. If it wasn't for health, Jordan Tyson would be the clear cut number one receiver in this draft. I don't even think it's closed. It's been crazy to hear ea these narratives put out there about his competitiveness and I'm like, do y'all not know who his receiver coach is? He's probably the most hard receiver ever in NFL history. In Hunts, you think you're playing for that, dude, if you're non competitive. There were times where Jordan Tyson stuck it up just to be out there with his teammates when he didn't have to, because we all assumed he was going in the first round before this season even started, right, We've seen other receivers shut it down. Jordan Tyson didn't, and he had two thousand yards receiving over the last two years. He's had to play some football, right, Like, you don't have that type of production if you're not on the field. So he's a guy that is physical at the catch point, a guy that can win at the line of scrimmage right now, really has a well versed route tree as well, and I like that he is competitive with the ball in the air. But Kyle Limon, you talked about it, he's just a junkyard doll, right. You usually don't associate gritty with receivers, But every time I turn on his tape, I was like, that's just a gritty player. Like, I love the physicality that he plays with and the contact balance that he has. He just bounces off the things and the next thing you know, it's thirty forty yards down the road and he's still running with the football. So if you want that guy that a slot guy that can get you yard, you have to catch that contact balance. Kyle Leman is that guy. And then Cardnell Take. You asked, would they just trade up to get him? I'm not sure if I'm in that boat, just because my biggest question with Carnell Tape, and I like him a lot, is he's never truly had to be the number one guy right now. Again, that's not his fault. Ohio State is wide receiver you for a reason, right when you have Jackson Smith and Jig, but right when you have you know Harrison, Marvin Harrison Junior there as well when you have a guy like Jeremiah Smith who's there now like like that's why their wide receiver you. But are you trading up in the top seven for a number two receiver essentially because Garrett Wilson's your number one? Or do you feel like Take can be better than Garrett? And I don't think that Tape, from what I've seen on tape, can be better than Garrett Wilson. So if I'm the just I wouldn't go that route. But I'm not saying that they shouldn't trade up to get a guy because all three of those guys could be gone by pick sixteen. There's a real reality ea where all three of those guys are gone by sixteen. But I don't know if I'm trading into the top seven. If I can get one of those guys at like twelve or thirteen, I think it makes a little bit more.
00:31:14
Speaker 2: All Right, So you brought up something great, and this is a podcast, but we are taping it on Wednesday. If Tyson goes out there has a great day on Friday, could he be the first receiver taken in the twenty twenty six NFL Draft.
00:31:29
Speaker 1: If teams like the medical and are cool with the medical, I think there's a real chance he will be the first receiver taking because again to me, he's wide receiver. One the reason why he's not is because of the injury factor and the concerns and talking to some teams, there have been concerns with that because he's had some bad luck with injuries. So like you said that, I believe the shoulder, the hamstring what you finished with last year as well, and he hasn't been able to do anything throughout this whole process. So again, if he goes out there, and kills. It looks good and people are comfortable with the medical I think there is a chance. But as we say here today on this Wednesday, I do believe Cardnel Tate will be the first.
00:32:06
Speaker 2: All right, man, that's a nightmare scenario for Jets fans. You talking about three receivers being off the board before the Gots select at number sixteen overall, how do you separate the other guys after that? The Dunzel Boston's of the world, the Casey concepts, the owners of the world, Omar Cooper's how do you separate these guys? And is that too rich for Lejay Douzable at sixteen or is there a guy or two in there that you like, you'd be like, yeah, I'd be comfortable going there.
00:32:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's too rich for the next group. And these are the tiers, right, that's Tier one of the three guys we talked about in the beginning, and then there's Tier two, which a lot of those guys will probably go with the back of the first round. I love Omar Cooper. He's another gritty receiver as well, another good slot guy that's run after the catch ability that's tough to bring down. I mean, like, it's really hard to bring that guy down in open space. He's a guy that I really like. I think sixteenth a little bit too. Rich Denzel Boston is probably the best contested catcher in this draft. He's also really good on those dig routes and those inbreaking routes as well. I know people were concerned about his speed and I don't believe he actually ran an official forty time, but on tape he's able to get a little bit of separation down the field. But he's a guy that's that X receiver you're gonna stick on the outside and say go up and get the football. Casey concepts. Young gives you special teams ability as a punt returner and probably with Jordan Tyson, to me, Hobby has the most depth to their route tree right ran the most different routes at Texas A and M. The biggest question with him with him was concentration drops. I believe he had eight last year, so that is a concern and you wonder where his mental is with that. But the skill is there and I would throw one more guy in there, Chris Brazzo from Tennessee as another big body receiver, and I know people have this stigma with with Tennessee receivers, like he only one side of the field. His route tree is in that debt in depth, but he actually for the receivers that have come out of Tennessee the last couple of years, his route tree is way more first than those receivers that have come out the last couple of years from Tennessee. And his ability at six foot four to be able to get in and out of breaks. It's rare for somebody that size to be able to get in and out of the breaks as quick as he's able to. So he's an intriguing guy, especially at the top of the second round.
00:34:25
Speaker 2: And another guy that I'm fascinated by is where is Chris Bell going to go? Because that kid from Louisville, He's got rare size speed combination. He is a big dude who can fly, who comes from Louisville, he learned under Jeff Brohm. Of course, he's coming off injury though, and then how the teams weigh that and when is he going to be ready to play? Because to me, Bell is one of the better talents in this draft at the receiver position.
00:34:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's definitely a run after catch guy. When you look at the makeup of his route tree, a lot of it, a lot of underneath stuff, a lot of drag routes, a lot of stuff where he can run after the cat. So that was my biggest concern with them. The talent is definitely there. He's a physical specimen and he can really go get it and run, but he doesn't have a verse route tree at all. And then you talked about also coming off that knee injury, where are teams at with him medically? When would he potentially be ready to play? Will he miss all the training camp and maybe start the year on the pup pup. That's something that teams are gonna have to weigh in when looking at Chris Bell.
00:35:29
Speaker 3: All right, let's sign here.
00:35:30
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the quarterback position. We started by talking about Geno Smith. The Jets have the nine draft picks, the four in the top forty four. They do have ten draft picks next year, including three first round picks, and everybody circled that draft as saying that's gonna be a great quarterback class.
00:35:49
Speaker 3: Will it, Well, We'll have to see no, because I mean, honestly.
00:35:53
Speaker 1: I mean they said the same thing this year that's right.
00:35:55
Speaker 3: That's right. So that's why I'm like, okay, pumped the brakes on.
00:36:01
Speaker 1: It is.
00:36:02
Speaker 2: With all that being said, do you want the Jets to take a quarterback in this draft and do you view Ty Simpson as your number two passer?
00:36:14
Speaker 3: Where would the spot be?
00:36:16
Speaker 2: Or you just say, if your mouje and your AG build that roster man, and then once I get to round four, because I don't have a round three pick right now, we'll.
00:36:25
Speaker 3: To see if that changes.
00:36:27
Speaker 2: Because Mujie we know, is very open to trading, I would imagine I would not be surprised. I should say if the Jets try to retrieve a third round pick and get back up there. But would you take a quarterback in the fourth round or fifth round in this draft?
00:36:46
Speaker 1: I would, But to answer your first question about Ty Simpson, I'm a huge believer. I think he's a first round quarterback. And if everybody in the front office and the coaching staff has done their due diligence and their true believers, you take Ty Simpson now wits team maybe a little high for him. So I would say you have two second round picks, maybe you jockey around to try to move in in the back of the first round with one of those teams at the back half, maybe the Texans or a team like that, see if they'd wanted to move off to gain another second round pick. But that's where I would probably take time. Now, if you're truly believe in him, take him at sixteen. Is it the worst thing in the world? Ea for Todd Simpson to sit and learn behind Geno smil for a year? Because if you take your quarterback of the future next year, are you gonna just throw him in the fire his first year?
00:37:32
Speaker 3: Like?
00:37:32
Speaker 1: Haven't we rinsed and repeated that enough? It used to be that quarterbacks, no matter where you went in the first round, what's sit and learn? What happened to that? We have recent history that shows that works, right, Patrick Mahomes right, Aaron Rodgers, Jordan love Do. I got to keep going down the list, like there is usually a really good benefit for guys sitting and waiting. I mean even Drake may sat for what six or seven games before he started, Right, So my thing is, isn't the worst thing if you're truly all in on Ty Simpson, you believe he can be a starting quarterback for your franchise, to take him this year and have him sit for a year, right and build up the roster the right way around him. Is that the worst thing in the world. No, So I don't believe something.
00:38:17
Speaker 3: You're bringing up great points right now.
00:38:18
Speaker 2: So here's the thing about Simpson I watch a lot of SEC football during the fall, is that he really calm in the pocket, really accurate. He's got natural leadership in tangibles.
00:38:32
Speaker 3: Here's my thing.
00:38:33
Speaker 2: The two things that stand out on the other side of Ledger. I want to see where Lejay's at the size any concern There also the playing time that he's had in college before coming in. But you're mentioning him coming into a situation where hey man, he can get the experience on the practice field.
00:38:50
Speaker 3: We don't have to rush him out.
00:38:53
Speaker 1: Do you remember the last Jet quarterback that went to the playoffs and how many starts he had coming in?
00:38:58
Speaker 2: The last Jet quarterback went to the playoffs, That would be Mark Sanchez.
00:39:03
Speaker 1: He only had I think sixteen starts, right, that's correct, one more than Todd Simpson. And the funny thing is they actually threw him in the fire right away.
00:39:12
Speaker 2: Now, again, the legendary defense great offense was different.
00:39:18
Speaker 1: Defense was definitely different. My thing is with Todd Simpson when you look at the the rest of the quarterbacks in this draft, including Fernando Mendoza, when you talk about running a pro style offense, there wasn't a quarterback that's probably more ready for the NFL than Todd Simpsons because of the offense he ran Alabama and you always talk about can a quarterback elevate you? Yeah, there was good portions of last year where Todd Simms had to put up minimum thirty points for Alabama to even win games, like literally, and I was one of the guys everybody was talking about Tody being the number one quarterback for nine weeks to the college football season. He didn't just forget how to play football. And let's not forget something that you don't associate Alabama with EA is not being able to run the football. They could not run the football for anything last year. So everything fell on Ty Simpson. And we're not even talking about the drops that his receivers have. Let's not even get into that world, because it was god awful. I like the way I love I love him too. He's a second I think he's a second round receiver and a guy that just maybe at forty four, depending how big a you know, transpire, could be a good pick for the Jets. So to me, when you look at a quarterback that can elevate your team, and I get what people are saying about the size, but that's why I think a year sitting behind a venturing quarterback back like Gino makes sense because not only could he get better on the field, he can get better in the weight room and put on some boat in size, Like he would only be losing weight if he's playing right, but if he's not taking those play reps, he has a chance to build up that boat that he needs to would stand a seventeen game season. So I would love to see the research on guys that have played, you know, under sixteen starts whatever, and then how many of those scenarios were they thrust into action right away compared to sitting, And then I would like to see that research and see how it pans out.
00:41:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, you sound like former Jets quarterback Chad Pettington, because we always discussed that he was one of the four races. In two thousand, he said what great value it was for him to come in the National Football League and learn behind Vinnie Testaverdi and when d and when Shed was handed the reins man, he was ready. He came out of the ready, he came out of the gate firing. He always talks about the benefit of going on the practice field and making those mistakes and learning and going back and not making them on Sunday, whereas a lot of these kids are thrown into the fire because hey man, this is our franchise quarterback now and ready or not, here we come. But so lastly, Simpson, you're saying, if the Jets love them, you go with sixteen.
00:42:00
Speaker 3: Here's my question. Thirty three is in your eyes?
00:42:06
Speaker 2: What's the reality that he gets past everybody in round one and we're talking about the Jets at thirty three.
00:42:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that would be a dream scenario for the Jets. I just don't see it happening. I think it's going to be like a Jackson Dark scenario. A team like the Arizona Cardinals could potentially trade back up into the first round because I'm not mistaken. I think they pick right behind us at thirty four, so they have the draft ammunition to move up as well. Say they're only moving up like six spots to get him. At the back of the first like the Giants did last year with Dart and then even a team like the Pittsburgh Steelers who would probably want to move back to do it. The thing is this draft, there's so much similarity when it comes to where players are drafted. Honestly, the player you get at eighteen, you may be able to get it fifty two. So our team's going to be willing to move up for certain players and they feel like there's a similar draft or grade on the guy that they like at that same position later on in the draft, that's where Pittsburgh might have to maybe pull the trigger earlier than they would want to get him as well.
00:43:06
Speaker 3: Which developmental quarterback do you like the bust?
00:43:10
Speaker 1: Ah, So there's a couple guys. I think Sawyer. A lot of people aren't talking yeah Sawyer, Robinson and a lot of guys aren't talking about big arm quarterback. I think you can get him late in the draft and be a developmental guy. I know Carson Beck has been a guy that's done the just have done extensive work on I like him more in the fourth round than the third round. He's a guy that actually has a ton of starts. We talked about Todd Simpson. He's the total opposite. He's played plenty of football right and has a ton of smart and then gut. Garrett Nesmayer isn't a triggering guy too that I probably like on in the round four as well. Now, the interesting thing with him, you'll see some stuff on tape hea and be like, wow, this is what everybody's talking about, And then you'll turn some stuff on tape and you just scratch your head like what was the kid thinking here? Like? So he has a little bit of Jacquelin High to his game, but you love of the you know, the doctor Jeko part of his game more than the mister High. He has the long, the big arm, can make every throw from within the pocket as well. It's just a consistency and not making some of those those I would say bone head head scratching plays that concern you with Gary Nesmeyer.
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Speaker 3: All Right, man, this is a lot of fun.
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Speaker 2: Enjoy the draft because we're gonna have a lot to talk about once we get through that weekend. The Jets are about to get better, and it's gonna be fun watching Mousie navigate around this board because I think he's done.
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Speaker 3: A really good job.
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Speaker 2: As the Jets continue to transition here, you know, like, yeah, there's been a lot of there's been a lot of change, and obviously the season did not go the way anybody wanted here at One Jets Drive. But as far as the off season, you're kind of seeing from free agency to now, like there has been a very clear vision where they want to go and now we're gonna have to see how it all unfolds the draft weekend.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited for Draft weekend for this staff, for AG and Derek Mouja, and we talked about it to start this show that I thought they did a really good job of bringing in veteran players with the right pedigree and temperament and good frontline starters to really build out this roster now in the draft. That's what it's all about, building through the draft. You want to supplement with free agency, but then build through the draft. Excited to see what the staff does.
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Speaker 3: Thanks buddy, We'll talk to you soon.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
