TOP 10 THINGS I GOT WRONG! (REFUTING MYSELF) DYER Vs DYER (& Open Calls!)

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The world, and it's so wrong headed to begin with,
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because why would the world listen to me when my
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own life isn't even right? Does that make sense? I
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have my alp and what do you mean? What am
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I spinning? I can't swallow this stuff yet, it's too strong.
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I'll start pukin if i's swallow it. So there's a
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lack of lived experience when it comes to the ideology
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of fixing the system by going back to some medieval ideal.
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For example, look at what we see with people like Wagner.
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Wagner is erecting a thumistic scholastic online cult that has
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nothing really to do with Rome, the actual Roman Catholic Church,
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because Rome long ago quit caring about Tomism. You think
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Pope Leo cares about what Thomas aquina Is says in
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the Middle Ages now, And so Wagner might have good motivations.
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Maybe he really thinks that medieval scholasticism is the answer,
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But much like Redeemed Zumer, it's not really realistic. It's
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not the real world. It's not where we are, it's
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not where his church hierarchy and leadership is. And so
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it's just kind of funny and I guarantee you in
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ten years he'll look back at a lot of this
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and think how silly it was thinking that you could
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restore the Middle Ages or bring back medieval scholasticism when
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it's already coming gone. Think about I mean, so, you
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see there's different versions of this, Right, there's the left
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wing socialist idea, Oh, we're going to institute everybody getting
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a universal basic income and it'll all be fair and equal.
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Now it's not realistic, and it also does even it
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doesn't take into account not just the practical failures of
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communism and socialism, but it doesn't even take into account
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how socialism has been a tool of wealthy elites. So
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it's a very naive, unstudied, and unlived experience. And you'll
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notice that typically with a lot of the ideological figures,
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the face lords, they attract very young guys who are
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very idealistic. Now it's not bad to be young and idealistic.
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It's just that you need time to mature. And there's
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no bypassing that you can't make that happen with some
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kind of special argument or the right book or the
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right you know, algorithm, or the right disputation. It just
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takes lived experience, and it also takes lived experience of
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you making mistakes. So if you're twenty twenty five, you've
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not had enough time even to make mistake shit, and
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you will make mistakes, You will make moral failures, you
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will have huge mistakes in your life that you're going
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to regret. I don't care who you are. There's nobody
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that gets out of life without some kind of big
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mistake or failure or something, and that will teach you
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the lesson that you're not better than everybody else. But
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twenty year old guys think they've got it all figured out.
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They're better than anybody else. Everything's black and white. And
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by the time they're thirty and they cheat on their girlfriend,
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or they've been cheated on, or they fall into some error,
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they'll learn the lessons the hard ways, the hard way.
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That this is why God allows us, as the Saints say,
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to fall into these sins, is to teach us humility,
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and humility is more important than having the right scholastic disputation.
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Doesn't make scholastic disputations necessarily wrong. Many of the Orthodox
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Saints were very scholastic, like Saint Photios, but it's more
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important to be humble than it is to simply be right,
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but also understand that humility is not the same thing
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as being confident or she me. Humility is not the
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same thing as pretending to be soft spoken and have
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a skittle's affectation and talking like an NPR person, or
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or appearing very pious and praying on the internet praying
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on stream.
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Oh Lord, I pray to you that all of the
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internet debaters would humble themselves and be more like me. God,
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I thank you that I am not like these internet
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debater men who are so impious and the three oh
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four's on only fans.
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I am so much better.
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But I thank you God that you made me better
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than them, and I will pray online.
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For all of you, like scam shawmu for thirty minutes.
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I mean, that's worse than the three h four. So
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a lot of people mistake that kind of stuff for spirituality.
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I think it's a performative stage play or something. I
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don't know. That's not what it is. And ultimately, only
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God knows our hearts, even though yes, it's true that
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you will know them by their fruits. So the first mistake,
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big error that I made when I was young was
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thinking in an overly idealistic way and not realizing that
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life isn't actually I mean, in some areas it's black
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and white, but in a lot of things, and in
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a lot of areas, it's not that easy in black
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and white, and you only learn that with age and mature.
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The next thing that awoke me from my dogmatic slumbers
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was a couple books. And when I talk about Spengler,
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I'm not promoting him as like infallible or that he
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got everything right. In fact, I think he made some
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pretty significant, kind of basic philosophical blunders. But when I
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read a good bit of Decline of the West, I
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was impressed with the way that Spangler categorized history kind
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of similar to the way that the prophet Daniel categorizes
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history right in these kind of life cycles or organic
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forms that have a lifespan, a birth, a growth, a nadir,
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and a death. And when I read this, I realized, oh, actually,
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you don't ever bring back or reinstate a come and
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gone historical form. And this really crushed the overly idealistic
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attitude that I had that you could recreate, you know,
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a medieval Latin templar night kingdom or a Byzantine imperial
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you know, superstructure. It doesn't mean there can't be a
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return to traditional forms, to monarchy, to you know, out
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of homo economicists. All those things are possible. It just
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means that you're not going to recreate a come and
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gone form. So I also read another text around the
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same time from somebody in a similar sort of school,
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and he's a controversial figure, and that is Francis Parker
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Yaki's Imperium. And both Spangler and Yaki's books were influential,
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but they both taught me and showed me that again,
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historical forms come and go, and politics and empires come
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and go. So if empires come and go, then we
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need something beyond an empire that is actually the power
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in even an empire, and that of course is Orthodox Christianity.
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Orthodox Christianity was the actual power behind Byzantium. And when
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Orthodoxy faded, Byzantium became uniate and faded, when other ancient
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civilizations in their ideology faded, they didn't come back. There
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will be no new revived Chaldean magas society. Like Spangler
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talks about Magian society, societies focus around the magis right,
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the magician, there will be no new future of Faustian society.
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In fact, Spangler predicted that the third world would utilize
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the technology that Faustian Western Man created to then subjugate
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Western Man. And he seems to have been accurate in
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that prediction because, as we know, Wellington House, the predecessor
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to Tavistock, studied Spangler's decline to the West to weaponize it.
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Spangler was not against the West, he was talking about
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where he saw these forms going, these civilizations going, So
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studying civilizations and getting into civilizational studies, not just reading
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these men, but also reading you know, Carol Quigley, Tragy
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and Hope, reading Julius Evela, reading the Perennialists, Reading a
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lot of these people over the years throughout my twenties
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and thirties showed me that a broader, wiser perspective, I think,
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understands that we can only go forward in the future
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building on the shoulders of giants, but never reinstating a
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coming gone historical form. And if you understand that, it's
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not absolute sizing historical process, it's just recognizing the limitations
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of historical forms. And so I think Spangler would say
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something like you could build on the shoulders of the
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giants that came before. You could build on the shoulders
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of the previous civilizations, but you will never resurrect Byzantium
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or the Holy Roman Empire or whatever your pet Dungeons
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and dragons, you know, dungeon lore is, and this is
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why it is accurate to understand trad Catism and third
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way reich Ism kind of as dungeons and dragons lore.
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It's LARPing for sure. Now. And the next thing that
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happened as I've talked about my next big mistake that
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I was wrong about when I was younger, And we'll
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get into some of the theology here in a minute.
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I'm not going to spend too much time on steel
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Manning Protestantism, because I think everybody kind of knows why
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a person would be Protestant or even Roman Catholic. I
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will touch on those, but it's not going to be
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the focus of what we talk about today. But my
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next big mistake was conspiracies. Yes, you heard me right, conspiracies.
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What how can conspiracies be a mistake when haven't we
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been vindicated and seen that over the last twenty plus
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years of let me see how I've been a conspiracy
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there since nineteen ninety eight, so twenty seven years of
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conspiracy theorists. How could that be quote wrong? How could
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that be deboomed? And I think for everybody who gets
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into that kind of stuff, going down the rabbit hole
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and all that, you know, there's a kind of a process.
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You go through a phase of oh, maybe aliens are real,
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Maybe there was ancient Atlantis civilizations with high technology. Maybe
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there is moon bases with you know, you know, galiens
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running around touching who knows, right. You got to go
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through the phases. But after a while you start to realize,
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actually a lot of this is just complete bull crap,
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and the people that push the nonsense are pretty much
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kind of con men and goofballs, and you start to
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realize after a while, these people are just making up nonsense.
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Remember the face on Mars. Remember Richard Hogland. And I'm
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just using this as one example of I remember when
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I when I first started reading a lot of this
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kind of conspiratorial stuff, and I read Hogland's book, Uh,
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Dark Dark Mission was that the name of it? And
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then it's like, wait a minute, So there's all these
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bases on Mars and NASA was some sort of alien
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It's just a bunch of nonsense, right, Yeah, that's it,
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dark mission and you know, like coast to coast level stuff. Right,
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and then you start to realize, Okay, wait a minute,
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this is all just distraction science. I find gibberish nonsense, right,
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because that stuff is almost a massive distraction from real conspiracies. Now,
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I'm not saying that there's no weird phenomena that going.
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That's not at all what I'm saying. I'm just saying
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that a lot of these people you start to realize
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are cooks, spooks, and crooks and all of the above. Right,
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you could be all three. So one of the things
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that shook me out of my dogmatic slumber slumbers in
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this regard was a documentary I saw when it came out.
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Oh what's the name? I just went blank. What's the
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documentary that shows the alien Stuff's a bunch of syops.
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It's a really good documentary mirage. Now, I'm not saying
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that everything in this documentary is true. I'm saying that
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this combined with other critiques that the Collins brothers had
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written about the alien phenomena. They had written articles like
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alien smoke screen twenty years ago, fifteen twenty years ago,
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way before they had collected it together in their excellent
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book Invoking the Beyond. I started to think, well, wait
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a minute, A lot of this alien stuff doesn't even
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make sense. And you start to notice that the alien
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narrative also pushes technocracy, it pushes panspermia, Darwinian evolution. A
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bunch of the stuff that we think is obvious gibberish
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is pushed by the alien loons. So if you've never
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seen this, I highly recommend it now. I'm just using
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alien stuff as one example. I was never actually really
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into aliens. I remember entertaining the possibility of this, maybe
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maybe in the year two thousand and three or four,
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but for me, aliens always just seem retarded, faking gay.
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And then probably well, you say, you know, doctor Joseph Farrell.
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I think that doctor Josepharrell is a perfect example of
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somebody who had a lot of good theology and then
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started pushing a lot of ridiculous nonsense that planets are weapons,
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giz a death star. It's just it doesn't make any sense,
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it's silly. So no, I don't believe any of that stuff.
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That's just silly. Now, there could be catastrophism, there could
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be weird stuff, but I just am not convinced by
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what comes out of these kinds of gnostic presentations, gnostic
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press books, et cetera. Well, way, if you want to
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support the stream, you can do so through super chats.
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So what was the thing that really turned my attention
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away from the wu wu stuff and into the reality realm. Well,
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at the same time as I was studying a lot
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of those in grad school, I was learning about the
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CIA espionage and how geopolitics is really about that kind
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of stuff. The real conspiracy world isn't so much aliens
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and which is all like perfect vehicles for disinformation. The
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real conspiracy world is stuff like Russiagate, the concocting of
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stories and narratives and disinformation nonsense in the real political,
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geopolitical realm for verifiable purposes. And I started realizing, well,
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the alien stuff does the same thing. It furthers a
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technocratic agenda. You realize that clause world economic form, all
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of those people push the alien stuff, and then the
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same thing is going on the realm of conspiracies, much
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of which is disinformation. So yeah, I watched abled enemies,
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and I watched Loose Change and Alex's documentaries, and those
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are all great, but you start to realize, well, well,
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who is this deep state? What is this deep state?
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What is really going on with this entrenched national security
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state domain that seems to be behind a lot of
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things like international banking scams, organized crime operation Gladio, paper Clip,
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all that stuff seems to keep pointing back to this
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kind of stuff, not men in black and all this gay,
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retarded alien stuff, but actual operations that you can read
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about in the history of the CIA, the history of
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the OSS, the history of World War two, espionage, the
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Cold War, All of that stuff kept pointing in the
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direction of the real conspiracies are bankers and spies, not aliens,
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ancient alien technologies and all this bullshit, Not reptilians from
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the Zeta Reticulan dimension or whatever, but British Intelligence, the CIA,
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the Masade. Those are the books that are the real
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conspiracy books, the history of those things. This was a
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big turning point in what I found to be real
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conspiracies and not all of this sci fi star trek crap.
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to that conclusion was in studying and writing about Hollywood
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and studying underneath professors who had researched the history of
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CIA operations in Latin South America. That same professor who
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was a super lib by the way, that same professor
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did a class on Oliver Stone and history. It was
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one of my favorite college classes. And what we were
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doing in that class was saying, Okay, here's Oliver Stone's presentation,
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what is the closest that we could come to in
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terms of historical accuracy? And compare that to what Oliver
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Stone was putting in his films. And although I don't
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agree with everything that Oliver Stone believes, a lot of
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what he was putting in the films was more accurate,
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for example, than what was the main line news narrative
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of that time. And that doesn't mean I support, you know,
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Bishop whatever that the James Wood movie, even though it's
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a pretty good film. I'm not pro liberation theology or
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anything like that. But I think when Oliver Stone was
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intending to present these sorts of stories, nobody knew the
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degree to which there was Israeli involvement in the GfK event, etc.
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I don't think that he was intentionally putting out disinformation.
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I think he was working with what he had at
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the time. And so if you look at the tendency
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in American politics to criticize, for example, Israeli foreign policy
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and involvement in America throughout the seventies, eighties, and nineties,
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that was largely the left. It didn't start to become
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a right wing criticism until the last say ten years now.
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criticism of that kind of stuff was. There were right
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wing thinkers, father Coughlin, you know, other people who criticized
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Israeli or Jewish involvement in American politics back in What
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to Use fifties, et cetera. But that got shut down
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very quickly by a lot of the World War Two
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era propaganda and the films that were coming out from
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Hollywood in the nineteen forties, which we've been talking about recently.
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A lot of the Humphrey Bogart films, a lot of
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the John Ford stuff, a lot of the Joan Crawford films.
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They were all kind of targeted pretty obvious Allied propaganda films.
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That doesn't mean that I'm saying tiny mustache man is good.
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I'm just giving you the real history, which is again
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not black and white, it's nuanced. Yeah. I mean, for example,
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Oliver Stones Wall Street, right, essentially, Gordon Gecko operates like
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a CIA handler, right. In fact, he even tells Bud
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Fox that I want you to get dirt on people
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and get inside information. That's how you actually, you know,
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game the stock market. It's not who has the best
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trading practices and who's the smartest. And so Gordon Gecko
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is basically a kind of a Wall Street CIA operative.
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So I could understand that critique and understand the flaws
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of Wall Street and what Oliver Stone is saying, without
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at the same time saying, oh, I guess communism and
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socialism is good. You see, everybody functions, especially boomers, on
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this very narrow either or framework, and all of us,
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I think, especially when you're young, you're much more susceptible
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to these very simplistic either or dialectics. Right. So thinking
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that geopolitics, figuring out that geopolitics and espionage is the
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real conspiracy was a big part of waking up out
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of my overly conspiratorial slumbers, if that makes sense, because
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then you start to realize like, well, actually all of
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the world's embassies, everybody has embassies, and everybody knows that
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spies are at embassies and this is just acceptable nation
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state practice, that people are engaging in espionage. So I
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think when you first, you know, learn about this stuff,
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you kind of have a schizo paranoia phase where you're like, oh,
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there's spies are where, everybody's a spy, everybody's an operative,
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everybody in the media works with the CI. It's not
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like that there is an understood expectation of nation to
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nation power block the power block espionage. Not saying it's good,
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I'm saying that that's the real world. That's how the
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world works. So understanding more of history, understanding the big picture,
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understanding civilizational studies was a level and a step beyond
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the very simplistic disinformation that is everywhere in the conspiracy realm.
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Does that make sense? So I'm not saying that there's
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no conspiracies. I'm saying that the world of conspiracy literature online,
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which you could go back to, you know, the JFK
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era kind of kicks it off people questioning it, the
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CIA demonizing people that question the event, calling them conspiracy theorists.
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pat con or the Patriot conspiracy, where the Feds are
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kind of infiltrating, you know, right wing militia groups and
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these kind of simplistic Bible Belt sort of prepper groups.
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seven and eight, as Alex Jones and Ron Paul begin
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to have some popularity, begin to have some nationwide notoriety,
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calling attention to things that were very real, like the
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Federal Reserve being a giant scam. So Ron Paul did
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did a good job in calling attention on a large
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scale to real conspiracies like the Federal Reserve. Now, Ron
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Paul I think had a lot of not so good
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ideas and ideologies, and I don't think that libertarianism is
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a real answer, but at least in calling attention to
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the Federal Reserve, he did a lot of positive in
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the history of American politics. Unfortunately, though, it was still
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kind of wrapped up in that very limited very negative
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liberty scope that libertarianism has, whereas it's not a real solution,
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even though it has some good critiques, just telling everybody
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privatize everything and let me have my liberties grow, it's
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not good enough. It doesn't do anything. There's no.
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World power.
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That was actually liberty tarian except for perhaps America for
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a little while. And so people who then continue the
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outdated limited answers of libertarianism, whether it's a Ron Paul
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figure or whether it's a James Lindsay or a Tempoole,
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I mean, they might have good critiques at points here
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and there, but the answers and the solutions are just
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not enough. They're not good enough. Just mud gdp and
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let me have my business and let me have my
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stash of gold like you know, I would need to
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audit the FED and strive stack some gold like Ron
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Paul says. I mean, it's just not enough. People actually
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want world views, and they want a religious perspective that
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makes sense of why we should be libertarian or why
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we should have rights or duties. You see, So just
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more enlightenment liberalism is not enough. And that's when I ultimately,
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doctor Jordan Peterson never got out of maybe he will
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never got out of the controlled classical liberal dialectic. This
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has been my same critique of him for almost ten years.
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You're not going to stop the onslaught of trans and
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Antifa and all this insanity. BLM with liberalism, more liberalism,
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more civic nationalism. It doesn't work. It's emasculated and ineffectual.
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And so I had to grow out of that libertarianist
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phase that I had in my twenties. I think many
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of us have had this phase. And a couple of
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things that I read that really shook me out of this.
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One of them was actually a trad cap book that
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I would still recommend. Obviously, Yaqui's Imperium is a massive
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critique of liberalism, of course, But before I read this
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gigan antic, seven hundred page book, I read a very
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obscure Roman Catholic and her name is Solange Hurts, and
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she wrote a book that I read when I was
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in the SSPX, And this is actually a really good book.
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It's called The Stars Spangled Heresy of Americanism. Now again,
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everybody knows here I am not a papist, probably the
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number the Internet's number one anti papist. But Solange Hurts
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wrote a great book critiquing the idea of classical liberalism
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in the American experiment, the dialectic of Enlightenment experiment, that
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is Americanism. And again, while she was a traditional Roman Catholic,
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I don't think there's anything in this book except for,
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like you know, she cites paper and cyclicals and that
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kind of stuff. Like she had a really great critique here.
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So it was actually amongst the tridcat that I really
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started reading and questioning my classical liberal libertarian ideas that
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I think most of us, as Americanists, we just kind
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of we swim in this voice. I mean, we swim
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in this water, whether this is the air we breathe,
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so we just sort of default to thinking that, well, yeah,
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classical liberalism is like they answered all of this, we
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just need more America, more freedoms. But people are now
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becoming i think, either really really dumb or more sophisticated
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out in the public discourse, and they're starting to figure
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out that there's no such thing as just the freedoms.
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Right.
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How many times have we had debates over the last
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ten years with libertarians and by the way, we kicked
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off our public debating career with debating Adam Kocash, the
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ten year ago famous libertarian. Now nobody even knows who
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Adam Cocash is. He's totally forgotten dinosaur in terms of
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media voices. And I don't say that out of any negativity.
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I don't. I don't hate the Guardis. I think Adam's
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always been very nice on like a one to one level.
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He sent me his books and stuff. But it's just,
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you know, if you go back to that debate, he
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just never got the point in that debate, which is
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that classical liberalism is dead. It's a old it's a
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come and gone philosophy, and the classical liberals are kind
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of in the same mindset as me in my twenties.
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It's this idealistic thing of like, well, if we just
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bring back more America, right, and this will be my
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main critique, even of Alex Jones. I mean, I love
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Alex Jones. He's a great guy, always been very positive.
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But the one critique that I would have of Alex,
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I mean, obviously I would like to see him to
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become orthodox, but politically, you know, this classical liberal stuff
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is just not going to do anything. It's not the
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answer more. I mean seventeen seventy six is kind of
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the earlier version of nineteen eighty four because it's still
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in the sonic revolutionary ethos and I didn't really get
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any of that until I read this. And then there
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was another book that I read as a trad cat.
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I think it's a book put out by the SSPX.
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What was it called. I want to say there was
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an SSPX book that came out I'm talking about in
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like two thousand and five, right, So I'm reading SSPX
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literature in two thousand and four or five, and I
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want to say there was some book that came out
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about monarchy, but I can't remember the name of it,
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and I don't even remember who wrote it. I still
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have all these old SSPX books, but they're at the
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other place, and they're like on an old shelf. I
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haven't thought about these books in like fifteen years, so,
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but they they did make an impact on me, because,
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you know, there were quite a few Roman Catholic traditionalist writers,
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you know, throughout the seventeen hundreds eighteen hundreds that were
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writing critiques of revolutionary philosophy that are still pretty good,
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and we would probably agree with a lot of that stuff.
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So I never really went back to classical liberalism after
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understanding my critiques of the Enlightenment not just from a
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trad cap perspective, but also an orthodoxy. And even when
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I wasn't Orthodox and I wasn't convinced of Catholicism anymore,
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I mean I didn't become like a classical liberal. I
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mean I might have still thought, well, there's some good
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points in classical liberalism, like we want to have, you know,
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economic exchange and freedom to some degree. We want to
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have you know, some degree of liberty, but what the
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parameters of that are and how society should be structured
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is just not going to be sold by the Enlightenment.
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Ideas of of like negative liberty and negative liberty is
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not a Christian position. Historically, negative liberty is the idea
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of the atheistic writers of the French Revolution and of
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the Enlightenment that the state has no role other than
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to be a minimal tool for economic exchange. That's it.
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But in the traditional Christian belief, the Christian monarch has
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a role to promote to a degree of the virtues
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and to punish the vices. Now, that doesn't mean a
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big brother state where the king stares into your bedroom
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to see if you're jerking off or having dirty thoughts.
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We're not talking about big Brother. We're not talking about
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the state having a role to promote all virtues and
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to punish all vices, because amongst vices, there's a difference
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between vices that are crimes and vices that are not rhymes. Okay,
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so there would be a distinction between what's criminal versus
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just something that's merely advice. For example, the state couldn't
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have penalties for dirty thoughts. Okay, that would be impossible,
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it would be insane, it would be some kind of
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weird nineteen eighty four scenario, right, But the state could
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conceivably have obviously penalties for public displays of nudity. I mean,
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I think that's still on the books in most places.
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You could have the banning of PDF, the banning of
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you know, sodomy publicly, that kind of stuff. Granted, there's
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no way to prove what everybody's doing in their bedrooms.
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So having a Christian state or a Christian monarchy does
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not equate to nineteen eighty four. So don't misunderstand what
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I'm saying, because I already know when I say this
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kind of stuff. Wait a minute, if the state has
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a duty to punish the vices to promote virtue, that's
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you're going to be in our bedrooms. No, do you
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think that monarchies in the history of the West were
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spying in people's bedroom I mean, it's just kind of crazy.
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It's not even remotely close to history. In fact, many
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of these Western monarchs permitted whorehouses. And we saw both
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Saint Augustine and Thomas Aquinas argued for the legitimacy of
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the state allowing houses of ill repute. I'm not even
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sure I'm convinced of that, So, I mean, I guess
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and libertarians, well, by the way, we'll point to that
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stuff to point out the libertarian ethos of the West
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or whatever. Anyway, so I think this is a great
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point too. And by the way, that was another thing
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that I realized it was a problem in tradcatism, was
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you have this hyper rigidity about sexuality and sexual morals
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and everything's immortal sin and everything should be punished with
506
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:03.280
these crazy trad cats, and then the top trad cats
507
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:06.519
argue that the state should allow whorehouses. I was like,
508
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:10.360
this is just insane. I mean, to me, that's just crazy,
509
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:13.880
like these people, there's something off in this world of
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trad cats. By the way, a lot of the trad
511
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cats that I knew back then have since come out
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as skittles. Shocker. That's why that when that guy put
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that thing up that he was at the SSPX mass
514
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and he was, he looked on grinder and like three
515
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:31.199
of the dudes were sitting in the pew next to
516
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him on grinder. So yes, trad cat is full of
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gay shocker. Now moving on, I was, as you guys know,
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Protestant and Roman Catholic, so I was a Calvinist and
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I was a Catholic, and I'm not going to spend
520
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a whole lot of time on that, but those were
521
00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:54.800
huge mistakes because I had zeal without knowledge, and even
522
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though I read like crazy and I read all the
523
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time because I didn't want to be wrong about my theology,
524
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I had absolute perfect spurgitude when it came to trying
525
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to perfect my theology. And I learned as I got
526
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older that actually reading all the right books and figuring
527
00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:18.280
all the stuff out is a futile quest. That might
528
00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:23.159
sound paradoxical, because of course I do like theology, and
529
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I do enjoy intellectual pursuits. But I kind of realized
530
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at the end of my twenties that I'll never read
531
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:32.960
all the books, I will never find all the information,
532
00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:36.920
I will never get all of the archives, I will
533
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:39.800
never learn all the languages to go study in the
534
00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:42.679
catacombs in the Vatican Library to figure it all out, Like,
535
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:46.159
it's not possible. Your life and your time is limited.
536
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So I realized that although providentially I guess it worked
537
00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:52.599
out that I had many, many, many years of reading
538
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:56.760
hundreds and hundreds of books, it kind of showed me
539
00:38:56.800 --> 00:39:00.719
the futility of many, many many books. That's why Solomon
540
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:02.800
says to the making and writing of books, there is
541
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no end. It's a futile thing. So what's the point
542
00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:08.840
of all that That books don't matter? No, No, I just
543
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had them in the wrong priority. And that brings me
544
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to the next one, which is that obsessing over books
545
00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:21.679
was wrong. Having the right Amazon list, the wish list
546
00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:23.559
of reading list is not going to get you in heaven.
547
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Now.
548
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I didn't think that having the books will get you
549
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in heaven, but I did think that having the perfect
550
00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:34.480
theology was absolutely essential, and that eventually led to a
551
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:37.679
dead end and it was just like, Okay, Rome is
552
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:41.280
not it? What do I do? And I had some
553
00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:43.360
bad experiences back in two thousand and seven at some
554
00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:46.400
Orthodox churches, and I was just like, I don't know.
555
00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:50.719
So I was into sort of this amorphous unknown state.
556
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:54.480
I was not an atheist. I was kind of interested
557
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in neoplatonism and perennialism or traditionalism to a degree. But
558
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I wasn't like into some school of like, oh, I'm
559
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gonna go study under Freidolf Schuan's cult. I mean, it
560
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wasn't like that, just buying books and trying to figure
561
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it out. So the next point is that everything was
562
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:19.119
lopsided in what I should have been doing. So the
563
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books aren't the problem, the information isn't the problem. In fact,
564
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throughout my twenties and thirties, I didn't most of the time.
565
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I didn't spend any time on the Internet. I avoided
566
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the Internet because I thought the Internet was a big problem.
567
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I was pretty much right, and I always focused on
568
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reading books. I didn't start doing internet stuff until about
569
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twenty eleven, I mean consistently doing a lot of Internet stuff.
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Prior to twenty eleven, I would only read books and
571
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avoided the internet. And so I had wrong priorities because
572
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I was still obsessed with figuring everything out. So I
573
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wanted to read all the right geopolitical books, all the
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right CIA history books, all the right espionage books, all
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the right philosophy books, all the right whatevers, all the
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right church fathers books. And I spent so much time
577
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doing that, and it just ended up with kind of nothing.
578
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And I was broke, still working a wage cuck job.
579
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I had a massive library, even I was like in
580
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my thirties still I think, working at a paint store.
581
00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:38.000
I was a manager of a paint store. But it
582
00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:41.039
was like I wasn't getting anywhere. I mean, I was
583
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going to college, getting a undergrad and all that. I thought, well,
584
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I'll just try to teach. My point being is like
585
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I realized the futility of putting all of my time,
586
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effort and energy into books. And it's not the books
587
00:41:57.239 --> 00:41:59.400
that were the problem. It was the imbalance in me
588
00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:03.719
that was the I should have been focused on furthering
589
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my own situation in terms of getting established, getting a career,
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et cetera or whatever. I mean, not that you have
591
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to go into careerism, but I'll give you an example.
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So in two thousand and seven or eight, when I
593
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was going to be married to a girl prior to Jamie,
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and I was going through the Catechumenate right, and I
595
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was very interested in Orthodoxy, going to convert to Orthodoxy.
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But I had a couple vices that were a serious
597
00:42:33.400 --> 00:42:36.760
problem for where I was going. For one, I put
598
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:41.079
the theology and the ideas first, even though I was
599
00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:45.159
dating for four years a girl that I intended to marry.
600
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But I was not fair to her by putting my
601
00:42:48.960 --> 00:42:53.840
ideas and my theology above everything else. And I really
602
00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:56.760
struggle with this. I wasn't I don't think, maliciously trying
603
00:42:56.800 --> 00:43:00.000
to be unfair, but I remember at one point she's
604
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:04.159
said to me something like, if you're going to marry me,
605
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then marriage and a family should come before the theology
606
00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:15.719
and the ideas. And she kind of had a point, right,
607
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:18.880
because we had been dating for four years and we
608
00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:22.199
had the intention of getting married. And I was still
609
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:24.239
iffy about it because I was like, well, I need
610
00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:26.000
to go to grad school and I need to you know,
611
00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:29.400
get the PhD. And then maybe then I can you know,
612
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:33.800
provide for family or whatever. And she was like, well,
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I'm ready to have kids now, and we should get
614
00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:39.800
married now and now. Providentially, it all worked out to
615
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:42.800
where it was not the right thing to do. If
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I had married her, I would have been a bad husband.
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I would not have been able to provide and to
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do the things that she actually had a really good
619
00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:56.800
critique about. So she was actually correct. But in God's providence,
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00:43:56.840 --> 00:43:58.599
thank god we didn't get married, because it would have
621
00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:02.320
been a disaster. It was a good thing, and for
622
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:04.159
her it was a better situation because she ended up
623
00:44:04.159 --> 00:44:06.039
marrying a guy who was a priest, and I'm sure
624
00:44:06.039 --> 00:44:09.599
she's much happier and she's got, you know, a full quiver.
625
00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:13.039
She's got kids, and she's doing fine. And it worked
626
00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:15.639
out way better for me to give me time to
627
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:20.639
actually mature and figure out I'm not actually made for
628
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:24.280
the mainline academia route. So you see how that would
629
00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:26.000
have been a disaster. So it was actually better for
630
00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:28.639
me to not have gone into that, to not convert
631
00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:33.559
to Orthodoxy at that time, to wait, to take some
632
00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:38.440
time and providentially come back around to it when I
633
00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:41.119
was ready for that. I wasn't ready for that in
634
00:44:41.159 --> 00:44:43.719
my twenties, twenty age twenty, I forget this is like
635
00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:46.000
I was like twenty eight or something like that. So
636
00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:51.960
one thing I would say too to my younger self
637
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:54.079
that was a mistake is that when I was younger,
638
00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:57.000
obsessed with the theology and figuring it out and making
639
00:44:57.039 --> 00:45:00.199
it all perfect, I also felt like I had like
640
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:02.159
it had to be done right now, like it's got
641
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:05.760
to be solved right now, and I had no concept
642
00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:10.159
of patience and thinking, maybe it's going to take years
643
00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:14.920
to get in the right place. Maybe God providentially knows
644
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:17.519
I'm not ready to do this stuff yet, and I
645
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:20.920
need time to mature. And that's exactly what it was.
646
00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:27.400
And there's no solution to maturation that you can just
647
00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:29.880
conjure up. I mean, a lot of the things that
648
00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:34.159
we're talking about tonight actually has to do with time frames.
649
00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:39.639
We're talking five, ten, fifteen, twenty year timeframes for some
650
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:46.679
of us. And that's okay. It's okay if you're not
651
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:51.119
immediately convinced of orthodoxy. It's okay if you say, hey, wait,
652
00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:53.800
I'm not sure I'm ready for this. That's why we
653
00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:57.960
always encourage people to take their time. And when I
654
00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:01.440
was in my twenties, and it was two thousand and
655
00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:03.119
seven and I was like, I need to figure this
656
00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:05.320
out right now. I was not ready. I needed time.
657
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:10.599
So don't beat yourself up and freak out and act
658
00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:15.159
spurgey in your twenties because you haven't figured everything out yet.
659
00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:18.159
It's not a big deal. It's okay, Like take your time.
660
00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:24.639
And everybody is so like attacked by this toxic culture
661
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:28.679
that now it's even worse. Right, So it took me
662
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:32.960
to age mid thirties to grow up. It's going to
663
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probably take the next generation like into their forties to
664
00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:44.079
grow up. So so getting a longer time frame and
665
00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:48.000
learning patience was something that I really needed to learn
666
00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:51.199
in my twenties and to not be so obsessed over
667
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:55.480
the things happening in the Middle East. I mean again,
668
00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:57.920
I told you guys, like I got into the Middle
669
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:01.480
Eastern stuff in two thousand and seven. Around that same time,
670
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:06.840
right I started reading critiques of neo CON's American foreign policy.
671
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:10.280
I read all the anti Zionist, anti Talmudic, anti Jewish
672
00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:15.320
stuff in the two thousands, and what I figured out was,
673
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:17.679
I'm not going to be able to solve this question.
674
00:47:18.519 --> 00:47:21.639
I don't even have enough I live check to check
675
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:25.840
what am I doing? Worried about what's happening two thousand
676
00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:27.880
miles away in the middle of four thousand miles away
677
00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:31.320
in the Middle East, And I haven't like I'm struggling
678
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:34.480
check to check. My priorities are out of whack. That's
679
00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:36.400
what I'm trying to say. And a lot of people
680
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on the internet, a lot of activists, it's the same irrational, immature,
681
00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:49.719
silly mistake. It's like, you're sounding out on the internet,
682
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:53.239
you're doing activism. Okay, that's great, but like, did you
683
00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:57.239
pay your rent? Do you have a savings? And obviously
684
00:47:57.280 --> 00:47:59.159
I don't believe in FII, but I mean, do you
685
00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:03.239
have some bitcoin? Like what are you doing that shows
686
00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:08.159
and demonstrates that you're actually a mature, capable man versus
687
00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:12.400
bitching all day on the internet. And even though I
688
00:48:12.519 --> 00:48:16.280
limited my time on the internet, I still bitched and
689
00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:19.199
wind a lot on the Internet. For example, in the
690
00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:23.719
two thousands, when everybody was on Facebook, I remember many many,
691
00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:30.239
many nights drunk debating on Facebook. I mean, I don't
692
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:32.840
mean like sloppy, falling down drunk. I just mean so
693
00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:37.079
much wasted time drinking beer and arguing on Facebook in
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my twenties, And I'm like, what was I what the
695
00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:40.239
heck was I doing?
696
00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:41.039
What?
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A complete waste of time? And as you get older,
698
00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:45.400
you're going to look back and be like, dude, I
699
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:47.559
wasted Oh I wasted so much time in my twenties.
700
00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:52.079
It was so retarded. Why was I doing that? That's
701
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:55.880
another huge mistake, drinking and wasting time in my twenties,
702
00:48:56.199 --> 00:48:59.639
massive stupid mistake. The sooner that you don't do that,
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the better you will be off, I trust you. So
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looking for perfect theology when it came to Calvinism and
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the systems of Aquinas, John Calvin and the papacy, right,
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I was sort of looking for these perfect systems and
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I went from one to the other, from Calvinism to Tomism,
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thinking I found it. This is all This is the
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perfect No, this is the perfect system. And again it's
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not that systems aren't how things work, but I had
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a overly high expectation, as a twenty eight year old
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guy or whatever for thinking that the systems are the answer.
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And is it Calvin, is it Thomas Aquinas? Oh wait,
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maybe it's this other thing, right, And then you realize, okay,
715
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none of these systems are going to be perfect. And
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the systems were actually kind of an idol, and if
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you told me that in my twenties, I would I would.
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There's no way I was gonna say, oh, you don't
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know what you're talking about. But then it dawned to me, Actually,
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termism is an idol. Calvinism is an idol. The systems
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are not Christianity. They have elements of it, and they're
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trying to systematize it. And I still think in terms
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of worldviews, paradigms, and systems, but I don't have the
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same unrealistic, immature expectation for systems like I did in
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my twenties. So when I see people like Wagner and
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I see redeem Zoomer like I see myself in my twenties,
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and hopefully as they get older, I think they will
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also come to some of the same realizations that I
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did when they get into their thirties and their forties.
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Doesn't mean that you can't do systems analysis and systems thinking.
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In fact, we still criticize the Roman Catholics for not
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understanding and getting the point that if Roman Catholicism is
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defeated at a systemic level, then it's a system defeater.
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The system isn't true and there's no amount of catch
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work that you can do if the system itself at
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a systemic level is flawed. Last couple of points, so
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that one is more so about the practical that I
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didn't put establishing myself for a family and that kind
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of stuff. And I was so obsessed with all the ideas.
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And I've told you guys like my dad would say
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stuff back then, like I try to argue with my
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dad about geopolitics because it's like, oh, he was in
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the Navy and he knows about Operation Mantis. He was
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in Operation Mantis in the Gulf War and all this,
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and we've talked about this, and I'd be like, well, yeah,
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but you don't understand the neocons are all wrong because
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blah blah, blah blah. And even though I was right
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in what I was saying to my dad about why
749
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the neocons were wrong, my dad would just say stuff
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like do you have any assets? Have you got anything
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in your savings? Do you have any property? Are you
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sure that you're going to pay your rent next week?
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And that would make me really mad, but my dad
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was right. And as you get older, you realize, oh,
755
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my dad wasn't just being mean. And I used to say,
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what all the people say to me, d me, I
757
00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:10.039
said the same stuff about my dad. Oh, my dad's
758
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just mean. I can't believe you. So, even though I
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was geopolitically correct, the neocons are a bunch of fraud losers.
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My dad's point was rather way more practical. You're yapping
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about all of this stuff in the Middle East thirty
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fifty hundred years ago. Are you going to be able
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to pay your rent next week? And that's stung. But
764
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my dad was right and I was wrong. But I
765
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was too immature and childish and out of whack to
766
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realize that. And a lot of you guys that are
767
00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:46.320
in your twenties that hate me, Now as you get
768
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older in your thirties, you're gonna realize that I'm right
769
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what I'm saying to you. And it's not because I'm
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mean or I hate you or somebody. It's none of that.
771
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My dad doesn't hate me. My dad is a gruff
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military guy. But I look back and I realized he
773
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was right. I was wrong. I was the one that
774
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was immature.
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What does that say?
776
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Yeah, I'm not talking about the Jordan Peterson clean your
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room stuff Like I don't even know what that. I
778
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don't even know what you guys are talking about. I'm
779
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just talking about like basic living practices and figuring out
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how to navigate in the world. A lot of the
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stuff that people think boomers are crazy about or ridiculous about,
782
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and boomers were and are way too focused on the practical.
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So I still think they are obsessed over stuff like
784
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just making money or something. But there is a point
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some of it. Right, If you've never run a business,
786
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how are you going to tell the world how money
787
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should work? Just think about that. I remember when I
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was in grad classes and we were talking about economics
789
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one day, and I remember leaving one of my grad
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classes and going and listening to Peter Schiff on a podcast,
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and he made a really good point. And I totally
792
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disagree with his gold boomer nonsense, right, but petersha have
793
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made a really good point, which was, when you go
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to college, you hear all these economics professors that have
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all these high fulutant ideas about stats and how the
796
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economy should work. And he's like, but these professors have
797
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never run a business. Why would you think that a
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person who's never run a business knows how the economy
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should work, and I remember thinking, man, that's actually I
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never thought about that. Real world practical insight and wisdom
801
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is way more accurate than idealistic leftist, idiot college professor
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socialists who tell you all the along about how it
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should work and how it ought to be totally divorced
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from the real world. And so again Peter shiff was
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actually right, and that massively changed my paradigm when it
806
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came to wait a minute, these professors don't know anything.
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I mean, they know it's in some of the books.
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But and I remember talking to Sammy the Bull, right,
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and he said something like this, like, as a mafia guy,
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I have a better insight into how the world actually
811
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works than the professors. I was like, actually, that's pretty
812
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much true. There's a funny scene in the Rodney Dangerfield
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movie too, where this comes up back to school. So
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there's this know it all college professor who's like talking
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about all these economic theories, and Rodney Dangerfield goes back
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to college, right, it's kind of a it's still kind
817
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of a funny eighties movie. And he's just sitting in
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the audio in the in the noting of the the class,
819
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like in the back row and He's like, he's listened
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to the professor tell all these theories, and then he's like,
821
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who's going to grease the goods? Right, He's like coming
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up with all this basic practical stuff about how you
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actually run a business. So that's actually a pretty funny
824
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scene that exemplifies what I'm saying. If you never watched
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Back to School, watch it's pretty funny, but for eighties movies.
826
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So I'm not gonna theologically go into the papacy or
827
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Calvinism or whatever. We've done that a million times. You
828
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guys can go watch all those all those critiques. But
829
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I think personally part of the motivation for why I
830
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looked at and believe those systems for certain years in
831
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my life was because I thought, well, there is this
832
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perfect system somewhere that actually categorizes and explains everything. And
833
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when those systems would have very fundamental problem in them,
834
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Calvinism and Tonism, then I would kind of be put
835
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into a quandary in my worldview would collapse. So then
836
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I didn't know what to do and I would have
837
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to you know, kind of it's kind of the way
838
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Jordan Peterson describes it, where you kind of have like
839
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a death of your of yourself for a time period,
840
00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:22.679
right your your worldview collapses, and it's a difficult experience,
841
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but it's also a good experience because it allows you
842
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to grow and become a better person. And it is
843
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kind of like a little death, so to speak, when
844
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you go through these paradigm level collapses in your in
845
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your paradigm. So lastly, again to this point of like, yeah,
846
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I was looking into different ideas and I will maybe
847
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the neo Platonists and this and that, and maybe this
848
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system and that system, and then I realized, Okay, there's
849
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not a perfect idealized system, and maybe the system building
850
00:57:55.920 --> 00:58:01.000
is itself the problem. And maybe books and deal politics
851
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and political movements aren't ultimately going to say this and
852
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that's not the ultimate answer. Doesn't mean you can't enjoy
853
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those things. But in all of these things that we've
854
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listed and talked about, I realized my priorities are out
855
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of whack. That was the main problem here was I
856
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was putting all these other dumb things first as if
857
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I was going to solve the world's problems. And then
858
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my own life has pretty significant flaws and problems and
859
00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:33.440
I still have many problems. Sure, but when it comes
860
00:58:33.440 --> 00:58:38.320
to writing my own books, running a business, etc. Like
861
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those problems I have solved, right, becoming economically stable, paying
862
00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:45.679
my bills. Those problems are solved. But I should have
863
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focused on figuring out how to solve those problems way
864
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earlier than trying to figure out all the world's problems.
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Does that make sense? So now I want to head
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on over here to X and we'll open it up
867
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to see if somewhat related to these topics, if any
868
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people want to call in. And I just said top
869
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ten because it was loosely ten that I jotted down
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on a piece of paper. It's not exactly ten, but
871
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you get the idea. Good enough. Right, I will be
872
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taking your calls, So we'll go ahead and start now
873
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and see if we get some good calls. Maybe it's
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time to now that we've kind of got a little
875
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more breathing room on YouTube with what we can talk about,
876
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maybe it's time to go through some of these classic
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texts that we could used to talk about. Right, I mean,
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we would have been doing lectures on Imperium, we would
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have been doing lectures on Spangler, we would have been
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doing lectures on all this stuff years ago. If we
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hadn't had such a lockdown on what we could talk about.
882
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And people say, oh, you're a coward because you didn't
883
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just keep talking about Well, what was the point of
884
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talking about the thing that would destroy the channel?
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I mean?
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And by the way, I did get my website destroyed,
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So it's like I learned what it was like the
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hard way to get my entire livelihood deleted in one
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day and never got it back until I built it
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back on my own.
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Yeah.
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So if you want to call in, you can call
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01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:34.039
in here on the X space where we are inviting.
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Protestants are pretty much anyone else.
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I know.
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There's been such a a bevy of Protestants lately sort
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of sounding off on Twitter. I thought maybe we could
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get some of them to come and chat. I don't
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know if they ever will, But what's up, man, what's
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on your mind?
901
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Hey, I'm looking non denominational. I've been looking into product,
902
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I mean, orthodoxy lately. I have some questions. Okay, kind
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01:00:57.519 --> 01:00:58.960
of because because I'm kind of in like a more
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charismatic circle. I saw some of your previous work a
905
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little bit, but like what is because I see a
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lot of verses in the Bible that they quote about
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like praying between like to the to the Father, praying
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in the spirit, Like, what is your kind of a
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response to those kind of verses.
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Well, I mean, if you go to Orthodox liturgy, you'll
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notice that it's all trinitarian, So there's always a focus
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that the Holy Spirit moves us from the Son to
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the Father. So there's this trinitarian movement of focus and
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then it's not so it's not an either or so
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when you say praying in the Spirit to the Father,
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I mean, all the Orthodox liturgy is trinitarian, so it's
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all going to be praying through the Spirit, through the Son,
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in the spirit to the Father.
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Right, Yeah, there's a lot of different weird things they
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do like that with the strinity.
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Because then a lot of them will get it kind.
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Of offended when you kind of mention because i mean,
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obviously the Bible says like the Holy Spirit was given
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like to the apostles, and then it goes through Apostolic
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succession and it.
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Kind of remains in the church.
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Is kind of my understanding is that truly like me
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and so these other people that kind of get offended
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when they're like when they hear that kind of stuff
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because they're like, we don't have the Holy Spirit, So like,
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what is your kind of like understanding of like that.
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Well, they don't have the Holy Spirit in the sense
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of the gift of apostolic succession. So in the Orthodox view,
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the Holy Spirit in terms of authority and power to
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preach the Gospel and celebrate the sacraments is a gift
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that's passed on through apostolic succession, going back to the
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laying on of hands of the apostles. So if you
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read Paul's letters to Timothy, he describes this laying on
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of hands and this transfer the gift of the Spirit
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for episcopal presbytery authority. So that's for people to have
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the authority to do the Eucharist and to exegy and
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to forgive sins and so forth. That's different from the
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presence of the Holy Spirit in terms of omnipresence, which
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is everywhere. And yeah, there are movements and graces of
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the Holy Spirit to bring people to the Orthodox Church,
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or else none of us would have converted. But we
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wouldn't say that becase because the Holy Spirit is everywhere,
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that he's everywhere in the same way or in the
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same power, in the same mode. So he's for example,
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present at the Eucharist to make it the body, blood, soul,
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and divinity of Christ in a way that he's not
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present everywhere in the world. So there's a unique sacramental
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presence that's not everywhere, and so that's why we make
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these kinds of theological distinctions. So, yeah, the Holy Spirit
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still can move and influence Protestants and Evangelicals, but not
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in the same way mode, degree, force, and power as
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in the Orthodox Church.
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Thank you.
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And because with the Protestants, a lot of times, like
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I mean, like I would like I kind of feel
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like a.
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Lot of their criticisms come from a good place, and
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obviously it goes the wrong way. But like, for example,
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like the faith alone stuff, like I feel like a
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lot of times they feel they feel good, like key word,
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they feel like the church is a kind of forsaking
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what Jesus did by putting stuff in the way. So
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like and I kind of had like a question of
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that's like if someone is like believes on Jesus and stuff,
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and they're in the process of like maybe say katechisis
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or maybe they're just going to an Orthodox church for
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like three weeks or something, and like say that person
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was like God forbid passed away or something like how
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is something like that work where they're in the process,
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because I think that's where a lot of Protestants get
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tripped up and understanding the idea of salvation. They feel
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kind of like the church is like kind of forsaking
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what Jesus did, because that kind of is.
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Like a right.
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Yeah. So I mean, first of all, Paul himself in
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Galatians explains in what sense he means faith, and it's
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not faith apart from any work. It is faith apart
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from the works of Jewish ceremonial law, because he says
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that the only faith that avails anything is the faith
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that works through love. So it is a loving, working
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faith that saves, as he says in Galatians five right there,
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verse six, And that's exactly the same thing that James
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is saying. When James says that it is not faith alone,
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that's says, okay, So James and Paul teach the same thing.
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It's just a Protestants take the passages where Paul is
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talking about not by the works of the mosaic or
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ceremonial law. Does this grace or this this theosis occur.
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It is through a faith that works in love. Okay,
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so it's not even oh, I in my heart do
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an action of you know, in accord with the ten
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Commandments and that causes God's grace to come to me. Now,
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there's always a synergy, and even the works that we
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01:05:36.159 --> 01:05:39.639
do don't force God or cause God to save us.
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01:05:39.760 --> 01:05:42.400
God is the one who initiates, but the fact that
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he initiates doesn't remove our energy of will and synergy
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at every step in the process. There's never a part
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or a place where God overwhelms us or does everything,
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and we don't still have human will and energy proper
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to our nature because we've never lost our human nature.
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01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:04.920
And that's why Calvinists and all these monarchists, they actually
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01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:09.800
become crystological heretics when they adopt the monarchists position. Anyway,
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but Paul is clearly saying that the only faith that
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saves is the one that works through love. But great questions, Daniel,
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what's up?
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Hello?
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Hey, Hey, what's up?
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Jay?
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I had a question for you.
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01:06:29.760 --> 01:06:33.679
Born and raised a Protestant, I'm thirty, just now coming around.
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01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:37.840
I realized I can't stay Protestant because people in the
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01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:40.440
early Church do not believe what I believe. With that said,
1017
01:06:40.519 --> 01:06:42.599
I was raised in the buckle of the Bible belt,
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01:06:43.719 --> 01:06:47.559
very pentecostal running around Benny Henon star wars, force on
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01:06:47.639 --> 01:06:52.000
people falling out in the spirit, but reflecting more in life.
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I had lots of spiritual experiences.
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01:06:54.679 --> 01:06:56.760
It's not a bragg because all of them were negative
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01:06:57.599 --> 01:06:59.880
and they all were in like the church I grew up.
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01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:03.880
And so is that unheard of with Pentecostalism and the
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01:07:03.880 --> 01:07:07.480
conversations you had with people that have come from the sect,
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And what even is pentecost Like, where did this come from?
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Because I'm looking at church history. This was not a
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thing in the early church, right the.
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Brain, well, it was a thing called Montanism. So the
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Montanus did the very thing that Pentecostals and Charismatics do today,
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and they were condemned within the first between one and
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01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:30.360
two hundred a d. The sect was condemned because it
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01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:35.920
really gave the idea that there's ongoing new divine revelations,
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01:07:36.119 --> 01:07:39.079
and that kind of ends up, even if they don't
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01:07:39.119 --> 01:07:42.599
mean it too, it ends up replacing and subverting and
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supplanting the finality of the depositive faith, which, according to
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01:07:47.199 --> 01:07:49.599
Jude was once we're all delivered to the saints. So
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if it's once we're all delivered by a Jude three,
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01:07:51.840 --> 01:07:55.960
there's not new ongoing public revelations. And once Montanus, who
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01:07:56.039 --> 01:07:58.480
was the early Church charismatics, started to preach that he
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01:07:58.599 --> 01:08:00.480
was the mouthpiece of the Holy Spirit and he had
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01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:03.960
new divine revelations and he's got two women prophetesces with him,
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01:08:04.920 --> 01:08:08.960
the Church said no, no, sorry, that's that's heretical. So that's
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01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:11.119
the origin of it in the early Church. But the
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01:08:11.159 --> 01:08:15.400
modern Pentecostal charismatic movement comes out of Roman Catholicism and
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01:08:15.440 --> 01:08:18.479
the histrionic women saints of the last five hundred years
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01:08:18.479 --> 01:08:22.159
of the Roman Catholic Church that then become normalized in
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01:08:22.199 --> 01:08:25.520
the Protestant world through the Azuza Street Revival and all
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01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:29.239
that stuff. And I have multiple long live streams on
1049
01:08:29.279 --> 01:08:31.800
my channel. If you just type in jade ire Comma
1050
01:08:31.880 --> 01:08:36.000
charismatic or Pentecostal, you'll get a bunch of critiques and reputations.
1051
01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:42.560
Logan Ramsey, who is I think a pastor preacher? What's up? Logan?
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01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:44.239
Hey?
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Jay, So Mike question for you is related to the
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issue of solo scriptura. And I was one turn, I
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01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:55.279
was wondering if you could tell me if you believe
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the Church today currently possesses anything that is fani other
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than the scriptures.
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Sure, the Divine Liturgy.
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Are you suggesting that it's the honest God breathed in
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the same exact way as the Holy Scriptures?
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Yes?
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Okay, how do you justify that claim?
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Well, if you look at the Old Testament, when native
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and abay Whu are rebuked, they're rebuked because you can't
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01:09:22.800 --> 01:09:27.720
introduce or get creative with how we worship God. So
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either God left the Church destitute in the first, second,
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third century with no clear pattern of worship, or the Apostles,
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outside of the written texts, crafted apostolic liturgies that we
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know via tradition. So does the New Testament contain a
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explicit worship service.
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No, I wouldn't say it contains a specific word.
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So does God not care about how he's worshiped anymore?
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No?
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I believe God cares about how he's worshiped. And I
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think if we look at NAT having a buye who
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God specifically doesn't want anything unauthorized?
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Correct? So the Apostles authorized a liturgical service, which Protestant
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01:10:09.039 --> 01:10:13.520
liturgists actually will admit is an apostolic practice in the
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01:10:13.520 --> 01:10:15.119
first second century, right or not?
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01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:19.880
Well, you would have to demonstrate that the apostles themselves
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gave a liturgical order.
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01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:25.079
Well, the demonstration is the tradition of the church, and
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01:10:25.119 --> 01:10:27.960
since you don't accept that by definition, there is no
1084
01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:31.039
way to demonstrate it if it is an extra canonical thing,
1085
01:10:31.079 --> 01:10:33.960
because your assumption is that it has to be proven
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from the canonical texts. But what is the normative authority
1087
01:10:37.560 --> 01:10:40.079
by which we know what the canonical texts are?
1088
01:10:42.159 --> 01:10:45.479
Well, I would say that the canon is self attesting.
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01:10:47.880 --> 01:10:51.039
So when there was all of these disputes throughout the
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01:10:51.039 --> 01:10:56.600
first several centuries, who was really the self attesting canon authority?
1091
01:10:57.520 --> 01:10:59.960
Well, if it's self attesting, then it doesn't need any
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01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:00.640
extra authority.
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01:11:00.680 --> 01:11:02.520
God does not swear by anyone other than them.
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01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:06.079
So you're not even aware of how this actual process
1095
01:11:06.159 --> 01:11:08.640
happened in the first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth centuries.
1096
01:11:09.079 --> 01:11:10.800
You don't think that, do you think that we can
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01:11:10.840 --> 01:11:13.359
go read the people debating about what text went into
1098
01:11:13.399 --> 01:11:14.520
the canon in those centuries?
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01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:15.800
Oh?
1100
01:11:15.920 --> 01:11:20.319
Yeah, okay, So who was the Baptist pastor that figured
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01:11:20.319 --> 01:11:22.199
out at that time that it was self attesting.
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01:11:23.760 --> 01:11:26.920
Well, there was obviously no Baptist back then the way
1103
01:11:26.920 --> 01:11:29.960
that we have Baptists now. My point is that the
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01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:32.760
Canon itself is self attesting.
1105
01:11:32.880 --> 01:11:34.720
Okay, you say that, How do you know that, and
1106
01:11:34.760 --> 01:11:36.399
where is the historical evidence of that?
1107
01:11:38.399 --> 01:11:41.760
Well, it flows from the fact that it is God's
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01:11:41.800 --> 01:11:43.760
own word and God can.
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01:11:43.680 --> 01:11:47.199
So you keep stating things that you've not demonstrated to
1110
01:11:47.239 --> 01:11:49.479
just reinforce what your position is. So I know you
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01:11:49.560 --> 01:11:52.279
think that, But can you give me anybody in those
1112
01:11:52.319 --> 01:11:56.319
centuries that argues that the canon was self attesting and
1113
01:11:56.359 --> 01:12:00.079
that we would solve the canonical issue by just simply saying, well,
1114
01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:02.880
the one that's self attesting. You don't see how ahistorical
1115
01:12:02.920 --> 01:12:03.279
that is.
1116
01:12:04.880 --> 01:12:08.760
I am not aware of a self attesting case.
1117
01:12:08.520 --> 01:12:12.920
For the canon in the early period. Interestingly, it doesn't
1118
01:12:13.079 --> 01:12:13.920
flow from.
1119
01:12:13.720 --> 01:12:20.520
That that the canon is determined by the human group
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that has authority here on earth.
1121
01:12:23.199 --> 01:12:25.840
Well, again, you say that, but when I go to
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01:12:25.880 --> 01:12:30.119
the Apostolic Canons, which was the Eastern Church's normative approach
1123
01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:34.399
to what was the Bible, and Canon eighty five explicitly
1124
01:12:34.680 --> 01:12:39.039
argues for pretty much most of the Dutero Canon, why
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01:12:39.159 --> 01:12:40.520
wasn't that self attesting there.
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01:12:42.399 --> 01:12:45.119
Well, if you want to talk about the Deutero canon,
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01:12:45.159 --> 01:12:47.359
I would go to what Paul says in the Book
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of run Ons.
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I want to I know you think that Paul talks
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01:12:50.840 --> 01:12:52.760
about that in Romans, but I want to know in
1131
01:12:52.800 --> 01:12:57.119
the fourth century, where was anybody with your mindset trying
1132
01:12:57.159 --> 01:13:00.920
to figure out Well, wait a minute, Apostolic canons. It's
1133
01:13:01.039 --> 01:13:02.560
just the one that's self attesting.
1134
01:13:05.119 --> 01:13:07.680
Like I said, I'm not aware of anyone in the
1135
01:13:07.720 --> 01:13:12.199
early period specifically making the argument for cannon on the.
1136
01:13:12.159 --> 01:13:14.159
Basis of its self attestation.
1137
01:13:15.079 --> 01:13:18.359
But I do think that so it's a historical rights.
1138
01:13:18.359 --> 01:13:20.479
So your position is a historical that we're remitting.
1139
01:13:23.319 --> 01:13:27.680
I'm saying the specific argument for the canon is something
1140
01:13:27.800 --> 01:13:29.960
that was not the issue.
1141
01:13:29.720 --> 01:13:30.520
Of the early Church.
1142
01:13:30.680 --> 01:13:33.760
Oh wait a minute, again, not true, because I'm showing
1143
01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:36.720
you absolute Canon eighty five right here, which has for
1144
01:13:36.800 --> 01:13:39.359
the entirety of the East most of the Dutero Canon.
1145
01:13:39.399 --> 01:13:42.199
Are you familiar with the Council of Rome under Damasis,
1146
01:13:44.000 --> 01:13:47.239
I'm somewhat familiar with it. Okay, it also in the
1147
01:13:47.279 --> 01:13:52.319
West in the fourth century has the Deutero canon as normative.
1148
01:13:52.399 --> 01:13:56.680
So East and West throughout the entire Church of the
1149
01:13:56.720 --> 01:14:00.520
fourth century, almost the entirety of the Church, and I
1150
01:14:00.520 --> 01:14:04.600
don't know if there's anybody who disagrees until Jerome. Almost
1151
01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:08.159
all the entire church accepts the Judo canon. So they
1152
01:14:08.199 --> 01:14:09.039
all got it wrong.
1153
01:14:11.560 --> 01:14:14.960
Yeah, I think Jerome was right to look at the
1154
01:14:15.079 --> 01:14:16.720
Jews themselves to see.
1155
01:14:16.520 --> 01:14:22.319
What Why do post Apostolic anti christ Jews that changed
1156
01:14:22.399 --> 01:14:26.039
the Dutero canonical text according to Irenaeus and Justin Martyr,
1157
01:14:26.119 --> 01:14:28.840
why do they have any authority for the Church to
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determine the canon.
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01:14:30.960 --> 01:14:33.159
I think that the Jews already had a canon in
1160
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the life of Christ.
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01:14:33.880 --> 01:14:36.359
That's why Jesus, No, they didn't. No, that's your assumption,
1162
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and most Protestant scholars I have a whole essay on
1163
01:14:38.880 --> 01:14:42.000
this admit that at the time of the Apostles there
1164
01:14:42.119 --> 01:14:45.039
was not a fixed canon. The only thing that comes
1165
01:14:45.119 --> 01:14:47.880
close to that is the legend of the Council of Jamnia,
1166
01:14:47.960 --> 01:14:50.359
and that is after the time of the Apostles. So
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the Apostolic Bible is the Septuagint, which includes the duterocononical books.
1168
01:14:55.960 --> 01:14:59.439
And that's why Paul and Jesus referenced the duter canonical
1169
01:14:59.520 --> 01:15:02.359
stories and tax many times in their epistles. So that's
1170
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absolutely false.
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I think if you're familiar with the scholarship of Roger Beckweth,
1172
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he demonstrates that there were specific sacred books laid up
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in the temple.
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Obvious.
1175
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So nobody understood this until a random Protestant scholar of
1176
01:15:18.319 --> 01:15:21.319
the modern period said, oh, there was some books laid
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up in the temple, and that's the Protestant canon.
1178
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Well, Josephus himself testifies to do this.
1179
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So Jews anti Christ Jews tell us what the canon
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is for the church? Did they tell us the New
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Testament canon too?
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Well, when I'm talking about the Old Testament canon, I'm
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talking about what was understood by the Jews during.
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The life of Christ.
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Yeah, but that's not true. Again, that's uh that does
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Paul use the septuagen?
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Yeah, he's writing in Greek to Greek speaking.
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People, So he did the septuagen include the doer canonical texts?
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Uh? Well the.
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Answer yes, Protestant scholars admit this.
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Well, my point is that the sept tuoogen in that
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early period was not the you know, it wasn't all
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bound in one thing.
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We have a collection of long book step I can
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give you multiple Protestant scholars that admit that, yes, it
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included the duo chrononical texts, and Paul S going to be.
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I don't dispute that fact.
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I was just saying the sept tuo agent as it
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existed in the ancient period.
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You know, we have a collection of Okay, So in
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other words, you just keep moving the goalpost, you just
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keep coping. So again, this is not going anywhere because what.
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I'm just trying to be specific about what as we're
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talking about.
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I don't think I'm coping.
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But what Joe ciphas was a crazy cult member. What
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does he have to do with the Old Testament Jewish canon?
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And by the way, he was a hellenized you anyway.
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I'm saying, he's a Jewish person who attests to the
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fact that there were certain sacred books that were laid
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up in the temple, and so for one thing, the
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temple has to be in existence.
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How do you know that what's laid up in the
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temple tells you the Jewish canon?
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Because the understanding of the Jews was that nothing could
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be laid up in the temple unless it happened.
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How do you know that that tells you the Jewish canton.
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When was Jamnia?
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That was in these early second centuries?
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Thank you? So, how do you know that that tells
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you the canon?
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I'm not talking about Jamie, I'm talking about prior.
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No, how do you know that the accus or the
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allegation of what's laid up in the temple tells you
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the canon?
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Because in order for something to be laid up in
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the temple, it happens.
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How do you know that tells you the canon? You
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just keep stating that the position tells you what.
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You're not allowing me to finish what I'm saying.
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You just restate the argument, which is not telling me.
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How you know how you tell you that? How that
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tells us the canon?
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I'm saying that the books had to be holy, and
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so the fact that they were laid up.
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In the temple like that that, how.
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Does that tell you the canon? If the Jews themselves
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debate the canon centuries later at Jamnia, we don't even
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know if Jamny is real, it's just a legend.
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Well, the fact that they were debating the canon doesn't
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mean a canon didn't exist. You and I disagree on
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the canon doesn't mean that there is not no no.
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All, No, it's you that disagrees because you're not in
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the church and you have no canon other than what
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you think the Jews told you as the canon. So
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it's actually you this the Judaized heretic. You're not even
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in the church, so you're not even disagreeing with anybody
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but the church.
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Huh was Jerome at judaized heretic? What about Athenasius?
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Oh wait a minute, so now church individual church fathers
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are the ones that we pick. I didn't say that
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Athanasius cites the dudoconical text, so what are you talking about?
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Well, in his thirty nine Festal letter, he doesn't list all.
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Of the Dudo canon.
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He cites the Utero canonical text throughout his writings, and
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what he actually says is that for catechumens, the Dudo
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canon is perfect to catechize them. So you don't believe,
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you don't believe that the Duro canons for catechizing people?
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And why do you listen to Athanasius? He was a
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he was a pope of Alexandria.
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A pope of Alexandria, and you.
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Didn't know that that's a classic title for also the
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bishop of Alexandra Yeah, no, you didn't know that. You
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didn't know that. Admit that you didn't know that because
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you balked at it.
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I balked at it because when you you bring it
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up as if it would be so ridiculous, I would
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give heed to anything Athanasius says, when very obviously him
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being referenced as the father in Alexandria is not the
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same thing that's understood by Mono Roman Catholics in regard
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to the papacy.
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Oh so this is this again again. The fact that
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he's called pope proves that it's not a title unique
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to the papacy. It's an argument against the papacy. So
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you even understand what the argument is, it just shows
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that you're not even have you read, actually read Althenasius?
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Have you read the Festal letters?
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I've well, I've specifically read the three nine Festal letter.
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Ok, I don't, right, But because that's the only thing
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that you cared about, because you thought it backed up
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the Protestant cannon when he says it, actually the deudo
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canon is for katechisas have you e readbody says about
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the Eucharist? What specifically at all in any of the
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festal letters. No, okay, right, have you read the Canons
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of Nicea? I have not read the Cannons nice okay,
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So why are you even debating stuff that you're not
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even familiar with the basics. That's why it's just a
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waste of time for these people who have no idea
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about any of this stuff, but they want to come
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and debate what they think some Protestant scholar told them about. Well,
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it was laid up in the temple, so it's the
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canon tomo. What's up?
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Hello God?
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Yep, yep, right.
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Good. So I'm I've been wondering.
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So how would they come to talking with Zionists even Gallicals.
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You could give them your footable proof that this whole
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you know, Christians, you know, United the Jews, is completely unduticual.
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You can give them scripts or versus, and then you
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can give them quotes from earlier Christians, such as the
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Church Fathers or other saints from years ago, such as
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when Saint Ignatius said that christian did.
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Not come from Judaism. Judaism is a perversion of Christianity.
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You can give them all of that, and they and
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and they'll just still automatically call you an anti semi
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or from my experience, they'll use a bunch of fallacies
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such as a straw man argument, like and like.
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So why do you think they do this?
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Because they are indoctrinated and they people don't believe things
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just on the basis of logic, reasoning and argumentation. People
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believe things because of emotional attachments, because of delusions, because
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of pride. I mean, there can be all manner of
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reasons why. I mean, look at the romancalol God that
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just said the other day that we shared his tweet.
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He said, even if my Roman Catholicism is proven false,
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I'll just remain Catholic. So they don't care about what's
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true first and foremost. And that's the main problem with
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a lot of people. They would rather stay in their
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heresy or their stupid pet theory that they've come up
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with than believe what is true. Now, why don't I
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say the Canons of Nicea, Because any person who's a Baptist,
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there is no way you could read the Canons of
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Nicea and come away thinking that you have anything in
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common with the faith of the people that wrote the
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Nicene Creed or the Canons of Nicea. Every Protestant should
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read go to New Advent. And I'm not just talking
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about the Nicene Creed the canons of the Council of Nicea,
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because you will notice that they talk about the Eucharist
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as i sacrifice. They talk about monastics, they talk about excommunication,
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they talk about bishops and episcopate, they talk about jurisdictions
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between Rome, Alexandria and Antioch. Baptists don't have jurisdictions. You
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don't have bishops, you don't have the Eucharist, you don't
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have any of this stuff. And they all lie and
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pretend that they have the same faith as Athenaious. No
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you don't. It is not true. We believe the same
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thing as Athnacius. For example, synodol church government, and Catechumans
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Eucharist at the point of death. Deacons can't touch the
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Eucharist before the priest touches it. Stop acting like you
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01:23:59.239 --> 01:24:02.479
have the faith of Athanasius when you don't. It's just
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not true. And that's why he relies on the schism
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of this or that Jewish idea of what the canon is.
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So Protestants are unwitting and willing Judaizers from the get go. Steve,
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what's up?
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Yeah, Steve, you what's on your mind?
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Good man?
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My my question is just more like I don't know what, Like,
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they're not the denomination I kind of would be in
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or whatever. But my question is more with the with
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the paying to the saints.
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How do you I've got videos on that. It's because
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we're all part of this same heavenly liturgy. When John
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looks into heaven Revelation five or nine, he sees and
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participates in the worship of Heaven, which is presenting the
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prayers of the saints on earth. So we're asking the
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saints to pray for us. I have many many videos
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on that. You can go watch those videos. But thank
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you for that.
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C K.
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What's up?
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What's up? John? Sell your mom? Yeah?
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It is crazy how it's almost like Protestants think it's
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acceptable to quote mind church fathers with their presuppositions to
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justify their Protestant worldview. You know, I don't know why
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on what basis they think that's okay to debate on
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or to prove Protestantism, But it never fails to amaze
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me when they do that.
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It's crazy.
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Yeah, it's uh, And it's like it doesn't matter how
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many times you explain the difference between individual certitude and
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normative authority. Like they still they still have a hard
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time with it, But I'm happy to keep explaining it.
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Thomas Guzman, what's now again? Notice the strength of this
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argument that they're not even aware of this. They don't
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even know what the Absalt canons are. The Abslot canons
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were the normative church law in the East in the
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fourth century. So let's look at this point because I
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think this is a really strong point, and it refutes
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West to two. By the way, so we look at
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the Apsalt canons. This is church law throughout the East
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in the fourth century. We notice that the duduo canon
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is part of divine revelation, is part of the Texas Scripture.
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The word duro canon itself means that it's not equal
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to the Gospels. It's not as important as everything else
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in the New Testament, but it is part of the
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canonical list. And that's why Athanasius says it's perfect for
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categ humans. Well, I didn't recommend it for catechumans if
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he thought it wasn't part of divine revelation. It is
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called deutero secondary canon because it is not as important
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as the Gospels. In the Orthodox Church, the Gospels are
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given a primary place before the Gospels are lifted up,
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and they're in a gold book because they're important. You
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have the reading of Paul's epistles. Paul's epistles are not
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as important as the Gospels. So just because there's a
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degree of importance, it doesn't follow from that that, oh, well,
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Paul's epistles aren't authoritative or inspired because they're not lifted
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up like the Gospels are. It's all Protestant either or thinking.
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And they're taking Athenasius out of context. He didn't even
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know that Athanasius was the pope of Alexandria. Because they're
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not looking at the fact that distinctions in authority and
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importance doesn't mean that it's not inspired. That's their first mistake.
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So fourth century Canon eighty five, we notice it lists
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the Maccabees. See that now, Yes, it also mentions a
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couple books that later on are not necessarily part of
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the canon. So pay attention to what I'm saying and
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stop being low tier and reacting on emotions. I am
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not saying that the canon was closed in the fourth century.
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I didn't say that. I'm saying that the Church throughout
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the fourth century East and West, because when we look
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over here in the West at the Council of Rome
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under Damasis. Oh, it turns out they also believe in
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the Dudo canon. So the entire universal Church in the
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fourth century, this is prior to Jerome. Okay, this is
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right before Jerome. Right around the time of Jerome, the
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church agrees to the duo canon. Jerome disagrees, but he's
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one guy against the rest of the mind of the Church.
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In subsequent centuries, the church does not agree ultimately with Jerome,
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because by the sixth and seventh centuries the church basically says, yes,
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Canons of the Apostles, Canons of Carthage, Council of Rome.
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We affirm it is not the Protestant what would be
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the Protestant canon. So if the Protestant position is right,
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then essentially, in the fourth century, universally east and West,
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the church was completely wrong. They had completely aired on
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the canon. Now, let's think about this for a second.
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If the Church in the entire fourth century prior to
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Jerome could be totally wrong about the canon, Jerome comes
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along and he's correct, supposedly in refuting them. There's no
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reason why Jerome can't in the future be wrong. And
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multiple Protestants that I asked today, I said, wait a minute,
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so is the canon still open? And to be consistent
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with their position, they were like, I guess, oh, because
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01:29:55.600 --> 01:30:01.840
there is no post apostolic, infallible normative decision. Okay, well,
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then perhaps the higher critics are correct and we can
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remove books from the canon. Do you not see how
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01:30:07.720 --> 01:30:12.600
silly this position is. If there's no normative authority after
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the Apostles, then there's no reason why Jerome can't be wrong. Booh, Thomas,
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01:30:25.479 --> 01:30:31.359
what's up? I'm mute?
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All right, hey, Jay, So I think what's going on
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here is you're encountering a lot of people. They just
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don't have your academic level of training. And I think
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01:30:41.880 --> 01:30:48.159
we really encounter it's a Fromana issue, and unwittingly personally,
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01:30:48.279 --> 01:30:55.239
I believe that many Protestants have incorporated or imported somewhat
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of an Islamic.
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01:30:56.479 --> 01:31:03.319
Fromanah Oh in regard to this, not Fromana, Fronema, thank.
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You, in regard to their relationship with scripture.
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So in Islam, they believe that the Quran is.
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Eternal, and exactly I brought this up to that woman
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01:31:14.199 --> 01:31:15.760
yesterday or today.
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01:31:16.039 --> 01:31:19.479
Yeah, and i've literally and there, I've seen Protestants on
1449
01:31:19.640 --> 01:31:22.439
acts express similar ideas.
1450
01:31:22.479 --> 01:31:24.199
Yeah. They don't even think of the Word of God
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01:31:24.319 --> 01:31:28.880
as a person. It's the book. God is the book. Well,
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01:31:28.920 --> 01:31:32.479
they they equate it with Christ exactly. It's a it's
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01:31:32.520 --> 01:31:34.399
a form of a bibliolotry.
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And what they don't understand is it's also it's it's
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01:31:37.760 --> 01:31:42.119
very limiting to God because the Bible, ultimately, even if
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01:31:42.159 --> 01:31:45.119
you're reading it in the original Greek, it's still written
1457
01:31:45.279 --> 01:31:46.520
in human language.
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01:31:46.560 --> 01:31:48.560
In human language is limited.
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01:31:48.760 --> 01:31:51.359
Yes, yeah, I know you're spot on. Yeah.
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What what they don't understand is that one can fashion
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and idol out of words and ideas just as easily
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01:31:58.399 --> 01:32:01.199
as one can fashion and idol life out of wooden stone.
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01:32:01.359 --> 01:32:05.439
Yes, all right, but the ideolotry, I talk about ideolotry.
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01:32:05.600 --> 01:32:09.760
Yeah, but there's like this this miss in there thinking.
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01:32:10.319 --> 01:32:14.039
But there are actual literal groups out there, they're very
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01:32:14.159 --> 01:32:19.159
tiny that literally believe that the Bible existed in heaven,
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the King James version of the Bible existed in heaven,
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written in English. Yeah, and that it was transmitted you know,
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like it's like to the original authors of the texts
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in a similar way that the Koran transmitted.
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Yeah, and you can tell by the way that when
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you study Islam, you can tell that when Mohammad was
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01:32:42.199 --> 01:32:46.960
kind of patching this together, he heard, probably because he was illiterate,
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like he heard people saying, oh, the Christians talk about
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the eternal Word of God, and Mohammad must have thought, oh,
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that's a book, and what I have is the real
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01:32:58.920 --> 01:33:03.399
purified Word of God. So there's an eternal book of
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God in heaven. You can tell that's exactly what he thought.
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It.
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It's basically whether they explicated or not that that's when
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what it boils down to is the sol scripture position.
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01:33:16.319 --> 01:33:19.119
What they're trying to say is I know gold is
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gold because I can look at it and.
1484
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Tell that it's gold.
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But but it's not the same, Like they don't understand
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that that a written a written document is not gold.
1487
01:33:31.319 --> 01:33:34.479
Or earlier I saw that there was that that one person.
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She's always going on some Protestant. I forgot.
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I forgot who was trying to equate interpreting scripture, like
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saying it's on the level of like reading a cookbook.
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01:33:48.279 --> 01:33:49.920
I mean, like a cookbook is.
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01:33:49.880 --> 01:33:56.239
A completely different species of literature than scripture. But you
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01:33:56.239 --> 01:33:59.000
can you can point this out to people, and I've
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01:33:59.039 --> 01:34:02.600
noticed you get fresh rated. But the mindset of these
1495
01:34:02.600 --> 01:34:07.880
people it's just like so different, the the the it's
1496
01:34:08.279 --> 01:34:13.479
it's almost like the whole no matter no matter how
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01:34:13.520 --> 01:34:18.600
many facts you list, it's just not going to to
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01:34:18.960 --> 01:34:21.720
undo their mindset. Kind Of like at my former parish,
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we had a convert. He was a former Muslim, and
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01:34:25.760 --> 01:34:27.560
one of the things he told me is when he
1501
01:34:27.640 --> 01:34:30.720
was a Muslim, he would hear the the Quran, and
1502
01:34:30.760 --> 01:34:33.560
he said it had like a narcotic like effect on
1503
01:34:33.720 --> 01:34:34.800
him when he would hear.
1504
01:34:34.680 --> 01:34:38.239
It, and and the that it.
1505
01:34:38.119 --> 01:34:42.479
Took like a lot to just like break those mental patterns.
1506
01:34:43.159 --> 01:34:46.239
And I think that you run into that a lot
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01:34:46.359 --> 01:34:50.520
with people, you know, the the they hear your words,
1508
01:34:50.560 --> 01:34:53.239
and I think on some level, like the gears turn,
1509
01:34:53.920 --> 01:34:57.560
they can repeat what you said, but they can't they
1510
01:34:57.600 --> 01:35:00.319
can't internalize it. That's what I think is going on,
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01:35:00.399 --> 01:35:02.000
And I think that's why you get frustrated.
1512
01:35:02.079 --> 01:35:04.680
Well, that's why you're talking about. What you're talking about
1513
01:35:04.840 --> 01:35:11.560
is the actual psychology of what happens when paradigms get challenged.
1514
01:35:12.359 --> 01:35:16.000
I mean, hardly any of us when there's a challenge
1515
01:35:16.000 --> 01:35:19.960
that comes into our paradigm, we don't immediately say, ah,
1516
01:35:20.159 --> 01:35:24.359
allow me to be neutral, perhaps I can change my paradigm.
1517
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No.
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01:35:24.560 --> 01:35:26.399
No, What we all do as a kind of in
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01:35:26.439 --> 01:35:30.880
an emotional reaction, is we sense that our worldview is challenged,
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01:35:30.920 --> 01:35:34.880
and out of a kind of protective you know, shell
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01:35:35.000 --> 01:35:39.840
in casing, we jump back with an emotive response. That's
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01:35:39.880 --> 01:35:44.079
just fallen human nature to do that because we are worried.
1523
01:35:44.119 --> 01:35:46.920
We don't, we're nervous, we don't. We think, oh, well,
1524
01:35:46.920 --> 01:35:49.199
maybe it is you know, maybe I'm wrong with it.
1525
01:35:49.359 --> 01:35:53.199
So you have to sort of protect the core identity
1526
01:35:53.279 --> 01:35:57.960
of the person who attaches their identity to these paradigms
1527
01:35:57.960 --> 01:36:00.279
and these worldviews. And we all do this right, This
1528
01:36:00.359 --> 01:36:02.960
is why, you know, the Roman Catholic guy says on
1529
01:36:03.000 --> 01:36:06.720
the tweet the other day, says, even if it's wrong,
1530
01:36:06.960 --> 01:36:10.159
I'm not going to leave it because the identity is
1531
01:36:10.239 --> 01:36:15.399
the person's subjective identity is erected with this system. And
1532
01:36:15.439 --> 01:36:18.720
it would mean essentially that he would have to start over.
1533
01:36:18.760 --> 01:36:22.199
There would be a death process that Jordan Peterson talks about.
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01:36:22.239 --> 01:36:25.640
Whenever there's something that shatters our paradigm. He says, it's
1535
01:36:25.640 --> 01:36:29.600
the same psychological process that a person goes through when
1536
01:36:29.640 --> 01:36:32.800
there's a death of a family member. It's the same
1537
01:36:33.279 --> 01:36:38.079
thing that happens in us emotively and even psychosomatically. And
1538
01:36:38.119 --> 01:36:42.920
that's why the defense mechanisms come up. So I try
1539
01:36:42.960 --> 01:36:45.640
to not be frustrated. It's still frustrating because even though
1540
01:36:45.680 --> 01:36:48.279
I recognize that like, it still is frustrating. It's still
1541
01:36:48.279 --> 01:36:52.600
hard to deal with the same old sort of you know, responses.
1542
01:36:52.760 --> 01:36:55.079
And I usually assume that if a person comes to debate,
1543
01:36:55.520 --> 01:36:57.079
they're going to be familiar with some of the of
1544
01:36:57.119 --> 01:36:59.279
the of the basics, and so many of the time
1545
01:36:59.560 --> 01:36:59.920
they're not.
1546
01:37:00.880 --> 01:37:04.239
Well, it's like you're talking to chatbots, and you know,
1547
01:37:04.399 --> 01:37:08.840
we all engage in confirmation bias to a degree or
1548
01:37:08.840 --> 01:37:11.760
else we'd go crazy. And it's also like what Willard
1549
01:37:11.800 --> 01:37:15.000
Benn Klein talks about the web of beliefs, like beliefs
1550
01:37:15.039 --> 01:37:16.279
that are closure to the center.
1551
01:37:16.560 --> 01:37:19.439
We're going to defend. However, one of the things.
1552
01:37:19.239 --> 01:37:22.600
That we have as Orthodox, like if Protestants stump me
1553
01:37:22.680 --> 01:37:26.399
on something or I don't know something, I can always say,
1554
01:37:26.560 --> 01:37:28.720
you know, if I don't know something, I can ask
1555
01:37:28.840 --> 01:37:29.760
my spiritual father.
1556
01:37:29.840 --> 01:37:31.239
I can ask my parish.
1557
01:37:31.720 --> 01:37:33.960
I can ask my bishop and I can get an
1558
01:37:33.960 --> 01:37:35.079
authoritative answer.
1559
01:37:35.119 --> 01:37:36.680
I don't have to figure this out.
1560
01:37:36.840 --> 01:37:39.680
I don't have to make a hope of myself because
1561
01:37:39.800 --> 01:37:41.640
ultimately that's what every Protestant does.
1562
01:37:41.680 --> 01:37:43.159
You make a pope of yourself.
1563
01:37:43.960 --> 01:37:45.359
Yeah, at the end of the day, you're the final
1564
01:37:45.399 --> 01:37:50.039
authority and there's no higher authority. And how do we know? Well,
1565
01:37:50.079 --> 01:38:02.640
God's talking to me, so chief, what's up? What's that mean?
1566
01:38:04.640 --> 01:38:04.760
Uh?
1567
01:38:04.840 --> 01:38:05.000
Yo?
1568
01:38:05.039 --> 01:38:08.079
Hello? Yeah, I'm in my car right now?
1569
01:38:08.159 --> 01:38:09.199
Is my audio plan?
1570
01:38:09.800 --> 01:38:11.119
Yeah?
1571
01:38:11.640 --> 01:38:12.000
Okay?
1572
01:38:12.039 --> 01:38:14.479
So I'm assuming you guys are all so many Catholic or.
1573
01:38:16.399 --> 01:38:16.640
What.
1574
01:38:18.399 --> 01:38:19.680
Okay, I'll just get right into it.
1575
01:38:20.239 --> 01:38:22.960
We're Orthodox Orthodox Catholics, not Roman Galicy.
1576
01:38:24.079 --> 01:38:24.359
Sure.
1577
01:38:25.039 --> 01:38:28.359
So my first question is to you, what do you
1578
01:38:28.479 --> 01:38:32.159
understand salvation to mean? Versus what Paul says about salvation?
1579
01:38:32.880 --> 01:38:36.000
Then number two is having a spiritual.
1580
01:38:35.600 --> 01:38:38.479
Father biblical for a second Timothy Chapter two for five.
1581
01:38:39.359 --> 01:38:41.399
Well, I mean Paul says I am your father in
1582
01:38:41.439 --> 01:38:44.520
the faith to Timothy. So it's Timothy himself that says
1583
01:38:44.560 --> 01:38:47.800
that to Paul. I mean, it's that's the relationship that
1584
01:38:47.880 --> 01:38:49.399
Paul has to Timothy. So what do you mean?
1585
01:38:50.840 --> 01:38:51.000
Right?
1586
01:38:51.000 --> 01:38:52.000
But what is that in the verse.
1587
01:38:53.039 --> 01:38:57.359
Well, let's talk about faith alone first, because Paul says
1588
01:38:57.399 --> 01:39:00.960
in Galatians five to six that the faith that counts
1589
01:39:00.960 --> 01:39:02.239
as the one that works.
1590
01:39:04.079 --> 01:39:06.479
Right, So what if paula in gladious to three verse eleven.
1591
01:39:07.800 --> 01:39:10.319
Yeah, but you understand you've gott to harmonize the verses
1592
01:39:10.479 --> 01:39:13.039
and you can't just say, well, this one says not
1593
01:39:13.159 --> 01:39:18.000
by works, so right, right, So no one is justified
1594
01:39:18.039 --> 01:39:21.640
by mosaic law, we all agree. But the justification that
1595
01:39:21.680 --> 01:39:24.880
Paul talks about in in in Galatians five is the
1596
01:39:24.880 --> 01:39:26.239
one that works through love.
1597
01:39:26.119 --> 01:39:30.000
Right, Sure, So my response.
1598
01:39:29.720 --> 01:39:32.960
To that would be that, Paul, is that just by
1599
01:39:33.000 --> 01:39:34.359
faith in Galatians through eleven.
1600
01:39:34.399 --> 01:39:36.920
You also said it in two different other contexts.
1601
01:39:37.520 --> 01:39:40.159
Yeah, but you're just assuming that that's a faith that's
1602
01:39:40.239 --> 01:39:41.560
not the working faith.
1603
01:39:42.600 --> 01:39:44.119
Right, So what do you take? What do they work
1604
01:39:44.119 --> 01:39:44.520
in faith?
1605
01:39:45.119 --> 01:39:48.000
The one that works through love? How does Paul define love?
1606
01:39:49.399 --> 01:39:49.560
Right?
1607
01:39:49.640 --> 01:39:49.720
So?
1608
01:39:49.760 --> 01:39:50.880
Can you work for a gift?
1609
01:39:53.000 --> 01:39:55.279
It's not an either or You can also you can
1610
01:39:55.319 --> 01:39:57.439
be given a gift that is also partly what you
1611
01:39:57.520 --> 01:39:57.840
work for.
1612
01:39:57.960 --> 01:40:01.159
Yes, but that's not what the Bible.
1613
01:40:01.880 --> 01:40:03.800
Well, you just keep saying that's not what the Bible says.
1614
01:40:03.840 --> 01:40:05.800
But every time I show you something that is contrary
1615
01:40:05.840 --> 01:40:08.159
to you ignore it. When was Abraham saved?
1616
01:40:09.239 --> 01:40:11.439
Oh that's a good lesson. Go to Romans after fovers
1617
01:40:11.479 --> 01:40:12.039
one through three.
1618
01:40:13.000 --> 01:40:14.760
Yeah, I'm glad that you want to go to Roumans four.
1619
01:40:15.920 --> 01:40:18.840
Read Romans fors one through three? Was that? Was that?
1620
01:40:18.840 --> 01:40:21.520
Pays also a working kid?
1621
01:40:22.159 --> 01:40:22.319
Yes?
1622
01:40:22.439 --> 01:40:22.720
It was?
1623
01:40:23.000 --> 01:40:27.119
Because when did Abraham? When did Abraham pass from wrath
1624
01:40:27.199 --> 01:40:32.079
to grace? When did Abraham pass from wrath to grace?
1625
01:40:32.159 --> 01:40:32.640
In your view?
1626
01:40:33.760 --> 01:40:35.359
From what sorry of my herd?
1627
01:40:36.479 --> 01:40:39.479
When did Abraham pass from God's wrath to God's grace
1628
01:40:39.560 --> 01:40:40.039
in your view?
1629
01:40:41.760 --> 01:40:44.880
Well, the way they received ovation was a different No.
1630
01:40:45.000 --> 01:40:48.359
It wasn't. Then then how can you use then? How
1631
01:40:48.439 --> 01:40:51.399
can you use how can you use Romans?
1632
01:40:51.479 --> 01:40:51.520
For?
1633
01:40:51.720 --> 01:40:53.640
How would Paul use Abraham as a model if it's
1634
01:40:53.640 --> 01:40:54.279
a different way to be.
1635
01:40:54.319 --> 01:40:59.600
Saved because it shows that through Abraham he was not justified.
1636
01:40:59.199 --> 01:40:59.640
By the law.
1637
01:41:00.079 --> 01:41:02.800
Just keep we know the Protestant we know the Protestant position.
1638
01:41:03.000 --> 01:41:05.479
How could Paul use Abraham as an example if it's
1639
01:41:05.520 --> 01:41:06.560
a different way to be saved?
1640
01:41:07.079 --> 01:41:09.439
Wait but it let me finish.
1641
01:41:10.159 --> 01:41:12.720
You're not even understanding the argument, dude, You're not even
1642
01:41:12.800 --> 01:41:16.479
understanding what I'm arguing, when was Abraham saved?
1643
01:41:18.119 --> 01:41:19.600
He saved after the idol?
1644
01:41:20.479 --> 01:41:23.079
Oh my god? When in his life was he saved?
1645
01:41:24.920 --> 01:41:26.159
We know you saved?
1646
01:41:27.239 --> 01:41:27.520
Words?
1647
01:41:27.680 --> 01:41:27.840
Right?
1648
01:41:28.319 --> 01:41:36.439
And when? What verse is Paul sighting? What verse in Romans?
1649
01:41:36.520 --> 01:41:39.439
For is Paul cding in Genesis? What chapter of Genesis?
1650
01:41:40.319 --> 01:41:40.960
I'm not aware?
1651
01:41:41.079 --> 01:41:46.239
Oh my god, it's Genesis fifteen? Sure, okay, does that
1652
01:41:46.399 --> 01:41:48.800
mean that that's when Abraham was saved Genesis fifteen?
1653
01:41:50.199 --> 01:41:50.760
No, of course not.
1654
01:41:52.039 --> 01:41:53.239
Okay, Then when was he saved?
1655
01:41:53.760 --> 01:41:53.920
Then?
1656
01:41:53.960 --> 01:41:54.920
When was he saved?
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01:41:57.199 --> 01:41:57.479
You're not.
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01:41:57.600 --> 01:41:59.760
I want you to address the argument, but you're you're not.
1659
01:42:00.199 --> 01:42:01.840
What are you laughing at it? You're making a fool
1660
01:42:01.880 --> 01:42:03.760
of yourself. When was Abraham saved?
1661
01:42:04.520 --> 01:42:05.479
Are you gonna let me speak?
1662
01:42:06.119 --> 01:42:08.880
When was Abraham saved? According to Paul? In your argument?
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01:42:09.640 --> 01:42:10.479
I'm gonna answer it.
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01:42:11.279 --> 01:42:15.239
Answer so, okay, So our forefathers of steve salvation different
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01:42:15.279 --> 01:42:17.039
than the way we did. No, they did it. You're
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01:42:17.119 --> 01:42:19.000
just saying that when was it?
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01:42:19.119 --> 01:42:19.399
All right?
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01:42:20.359 --> 01:42:23.279
All right? This is too retarded. I just can't even talk.
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01:42:24.640 --> 01:42:26.720
He's not following the argument, he's not even he doesn't
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01:42:26.720 --> 01:42:30.680
even understand what's being argued. Genesis fifteen is what cited
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01:42:30.720 --> 01:42:34.720
in Romans for if the Protestant position is true, then
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01:42:34.920 --> 01:42:38.560
Paul has made a theological error. Why because it would
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01:42:38.640 --> 01:42:42.520
mean that Abraham was lost from Genesis twelve to Genesis
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01:42:42.600 --> 01:42:47.399
fifteen until he was converted and saved in Genesis fifteen
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01:42:47.439 --> 01:42:50.960
by faith. So that means that there's three chapters of
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01:42:51.000 --> 01:42:54.920
Abraham doing good works that Hebrews lauds and praises. Hebrews
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01:42:54.960 --> 01:42:58.479
even says that Paul's actions of faith in Genesis twelve, thirteen,
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01:42:58.520 --> 01:43:02.760
and fourteen are action of exemplary faith. Uh oh, but
1679
01:43:02.880 --> 01:43:06.039
it turns out that if Romans four is teaching salvation
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01:43:06.159 --> 01:43:09.079
by faith alone, then Abraham's transition from wrath to grace
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01:43:09.279 --> 01:43:14.319
was in Genesis fifteen. And by the way, when James
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01:43:14.399 --> 01:43:17.720
White addressed this argument, he actually bit the bullet and said, yes,
1683
01:43:17.800 --> 01:43:20.720
Abraham was not saved in Genesis twelve, thirteen fourteen. He's
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01:43:20.760 --> 01:43:24.159
not saved until fifteen. Oh well, then guess what Hebrews
1685
01:43:24.279 --> 01:43:27.319
is wrong because it's saying a person with dead faith
1686
01:43:27.359 --> 01:43:30.039
who's lost was an example of faith because it laws
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01:43:30.119 --> 01:43:33.760
and praises Abraham's actions prior to fifteen. This is so stupid.
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01:43:34.399 --> 01:43:53.239
What's up? I'm mute? What's up, Matthew. Matthew, unmute?
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01:43:54.119 --> 01:43:54.640
Can you hear me?
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01:43:55.039 --> 01:43:55.239
Yep?
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01:43:59.439 --> 01:44:02.640
Counsel of Trollo in.
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01:44:04.560 --> 01:44:09.000
These Decree twelve and forty eight says that bishops should
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01:44:09.039 --> 01:44:09.520
not live.
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01:44:09.439 --> 01:44:10.199
With their wives.
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01:44:12.960 --> 01:44:17.640
I don't see how that is an alignment with Rust
1696
01:44:17.640 --> 01:44:22.720
Corinthians seven, which says that you should only separate from
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01:44:22.760 --> 01:44:24.720
your wife for a limited time for a fascinated prayer.
1698
01:44:26.319 --> 01:44:26.439
Right.
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01:44:26.520 --> 01:44:29.640
Well, so the church has the authority to enact disciplines,
1700
01:44:29.760 --> 01:44:31.760
just like Paul had the authority to enact discipline. So
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01:44:31.840 --> 01:44:34.640
if there's a time period when the church determines that
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01:44:34.720 --> 01:44:38.600
it's appropriate for bishops to be drawn from monasteries, then
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01:44:38.680 --> 01:44:42.239
they can do that. It's not a ironclad rule that
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01:44:42.359 --> 01:44:44.560
could be overruled, and you could have bishops who are
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01:44:44.600 --> 01:44:45.479
married as possible.
1706
01:44:48.840 --> 01:44:49.600
Okay, so.
1707
01:44:53.159 --> 01:44:56.680
It's telling bishops they shouldn't live with their wives. But
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01:44:58.039 --> 01:44:59.960
that's that's some kind of new rebel.
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01:45:01.319 --> 01:45:05.319
No, No, it's not new revelation, because the writings of Paul.
1710
01:45:05.520 --> 01:45:08.439
In many places he says. For example, Paul even says
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01:45:09.039 --> 01:45:10.439
at one point in the epistle, I think it's to
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01:45:10.479 --> 01:45:12.319
the Corinthians. He says, this I give is my opinion,
1713
01:45:12.439 --> 01:45:14.399
not of the Holy Spirit. So in your view, was
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01:45:14.399 --> 01:45:16.119
the Holy Spirit telling Paul that this is not of
1715
01:45:16.119 --> 01:45:16.720
the Holy Spirit.
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01:45:18.680 --> 01:45:21.760
Well, I believe in that passage Paul is he's saying
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01:45:21.800 --> 01:45:24.000
when he's saying like, this is not from the Lord,
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01:45:24.479 --> 01:45:28.239
he's saying that Jesus himself didn't say that when Jesus
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01:45:28.439 --> 01:45:31.840
walked on the earth. I don't believe he's saying this
1720
01:45:32.000 --> 01:45:32.960
isn't actually from.
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01:45:32.840 --> 01:45:36.880
The Holy Spirit, even though he says he says not,
1722
01:45:37.920 --> 01:45:39.039
I say this not the Lord.
1723
01:45:40.600 --> 01:45:43.119
Right, He's saying that Jesus is the Lord. And so
1724
01:45:43.279 --> 01:45:45.199
when Jesus, he's saying, Jesus didn't say this.
1725
01:45:45.239 --> 01:45:46.000
Before I said this.
1726
01:45:47.479 --> 01:45:49.600
Okay, So you've come up with a Protestant cope to
1727
01:45:49.680 --> 01:45:53.520
where there's not actually just opinions. Paul's obviously giving his opinion.
1728
01:45:53.560 --> 01:45:56.000
He's saying this is not of the Holy Spirit. This
1729
01:45:56.199 --> 01:45:59.159
is my opinion. So it's not divine revelation. This is
1730
01:45:59.199 --> 01:46:01.800
what I think is why for this situation you're saying, no,
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01:46:01.920 --> 01:46:05.079
it's still a divine revelation. He's just saying that because
1732
01:46:05.159 --> 01:46:07.319
Jesus didn't literally say that. I mean, that's ridiculous.
1733
01:46:08.279 --> 01:46:12.119
So you're saying in First Corinthians, seven that when Paul
1734
01:46:12.239 --> 01:46:14.880
says to only separate from your way for a limited time,
1735
01:46:15.600 --> 01:46:18.000
that's Paul's opinion and not the only spirit.
1736
01:46:18.439 --> 01:46:22.960
Paul, as an apostle, has transferred apostolic authority for church
1737
01:46:23.159 --> 01:46:25.720
law for the church to govern and rule at different times.
1738
01:46:25.800 --> 01:46:28.600
So yes, there can be changes to church practice. It's
1739
01:46:28.680 --> 01:46:31.720
called canon law, and that's why Nicia, for example, lays
1740
01:46:31.760 --> 01:46:35.760
down canons and laws that aren't all necessarily followed even
1741
01:46:35.800 --> 01:46:38.359
to this day. That's why the church has to have flexibility.
1742
01:46:38.840 --> 01:46:42.119
So if at a period in time it's determined that
1743
01:46:42.640 --> 01:46:45.840
bishops should be drawn from monastics circles rather than from
1744
01:46:45.880 --> 01:46:49.119
the laity, that was done as a necessity for that time.
1745
01:46:49.279 --> 01:46:51.039
If you try to make the canon law into some
1746
01:46:51.159 --> 01:46:54.079
sort of eternal law, then it doesn't work. And that's
1747
01:46:54.119 --> 01:46:56.680
why no Orthodox person or no Orthodox church does that.
1748
01:46:56.800 --> 01:47:00.600
We don't make the canon's eternal laws. That's why they're flexible.
1749
01:47:03.439 --> 01:47:06.479
So you're saying, are certain times when what Paul said
1750
01:47:07.279 --> 01:47:09.600
can be disregarded due to what bishops say.
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01:47:10.680 --> 01:47:13.920
Bishops have authority because they're successors to the apostles, and
1752
01:47:13.960 --> 01:47:17.800
they have to address specific issues of their time and
1753
01:47:17.920 --> 01:47:20.760
your own heretical Protestant sex do the exact same thing.
1754
01:47:20.840 --> 01:47:22.199
So I don't know how you think you're any better.
1755
01:47:24.119 --> 01:47:27.039
So, but how is it a specific issue of the
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01:47:27.119 --> 01:47:29.439
time if they're just telling bishops they shouldn't live with
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01:47:29.479 --> 01:47:30.399
their wives.
1758
01:47:31.279 --> 01:47:34.479
Because that at that time where bishops came from and
1759
01:47:34.560 --> 01:47:37.720
how the Church got its bishops, it was determined to
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01:47:37.800 --> 01:47:40.520
be better and more beneficial if they were single and
1761
01:47:40.680 --> 01:47:44.079
they were drawn from monasteries versus the ones that were married,
1762
01:47:44.159 --> 01:47:47.319
because especially when it came to the mission field, if
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01:47:47.439 --> 01:47:50.000
bishops had families, that was very difficult for them to
1764
01:47:50.079 --> 01:47:53.600
go out and move to other places, harsh climates, et cetera.
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01:47:53.720 --> 01:47:59.239
So monastics ended up being better traveling bishops than married
1766
01:47:59.319 --> 01:48:04.079
priests were. So there's little tea traditions or disciplines that
1767
01:48:04.199 --> 01:48:09.079
the Church enacts for specific situations. That's why nobody believes
1768
01:48:09.119 --> 01:48:12.039
that church law is equivalent to divine revelation or that
1769
01:48:12.079 --> 01:48:15.520
it's equivalent to eternal commandments for all the time. That's why,
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01:48:15.560 --> 01:48:20.359
for example, Paul says, I don't think women should braid
1771
01:48:20.399 --> 01:48:25.159
their hair and wear you know, jewelry or whatever. He says, Okay,
1772
01:48:25.159 --> 01:48:27.800
well that's not an eternal law. As if women can't
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01:48:27.960 --> 01:48:30.560
braid their hair and walk into the church. Right, there's
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01:48:30.560 --> 01:48:34.319
specific situations for specific times. But you guys, are you
1775
01:48:34.439 --> 01:48:37.279
act like Muslims? You think that the Bible is an
1776
01:48:37.319 --> 01:48:40.720
eternal Kuran. That's a statement for every single situation in life.
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01:48:40.760 --> 01:48:41.039
It's not.
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01:48:43.760 --> 01:48:44.039
Okay?
1779
01:48:45.520 --> 01:48:48.880
Is would you say the same thing with Canon six
1780
01:48:49.000 --> 01:48:52.960
it says that a clergy can't get married after they're
1781
01:48:53.000 --> 01:48:54.319
appointed as a clergy.
1782
01:48:54.079 --> 01:48:58.159
Member, they can't get married. I see that in contradiction with.
1783
01:49:00.319 --> 01:49:02.479
We don't care what we don't care? What you think
1784
01:49:02.560 --> 01:49:05.039
is in contradiction because you don't have any authority at all.
1785
01:49:05.520 --> 01:49:07.760
So how do you know that? How do you know
1786
01:49:07.800 --> 01:49:08.760
I don't have the Holy Spirit?
1787
01:49:09.520 --> 01:49:12.239
You were not called because nobody with authority called you
1788
01:49:12.399 --> 01:49:14.880
or told you to preach. You're a self appointed street preacher.
1789
01:49:18.000 --> 01:49:19.680
Why would that matter? Why would I need somebody to
1790
01:49:19.760 --> 01:49:20.399
tell me to preach?
1791
01:49:20.840 --> 01:49:23.159
Really, have you read Hebrews? Because he Hebrews says that
1792
01:49:23.520 --> 01:49:25.720
nobody takes this office upon himself.
1793
01:49:28.279 --> 01:49:30.920
So the Great commission is is not for all believers.
1794
01:49:31.039 --> 01:49:34.279
You are not committed the Great commission. You appointed yourself
1795
01:49:34.359 --> 01:49:38.680
to preach and teach. Who appointed you to be? Who
1796
01:49:38.720 --> 01:49:41.000
appointed you to be a who appointed you to be
1797
01:49:41.039 --> 01:49:41.680
a street preacher.
1798
01:49:43.760 --> 01:49:44.279
Imitate him.
1799
01:49:44.279 --> 01:49:48.680
Paul did not appoint you to be a street preacher. No, see,
1800
01:49:48.880 --> 01:49:52.359
you are a self appointed person. You don't have any authority,
1801
01:49:53.039 --> 01:49:57.359
Hebrews says, Hebrews, you are not appointed by God because
1802
01:49:57.399 --> 01:49:59.880
you don't have any connection to the historic church. Yourself
1803
01:50:00.039 --> 01:50:01.680
appointed your delusion.
1804
01:50:03.279 --> 01:50:05.079
No, God's appointed me, You know he didn't.
1805
01:50:05.880 --> 01:50:08.119
I already know he didn't appoint you, because nobody with
1806
01:50:08.279 --> 01:50:10.119
the vine authority told you to go and do this.
1807
01:50:10.439 --> 01:50:13.199
And the fact that you say God directly appointed you
1808
01:50:13.520 --> 01:50:19.000
already tells me that you're disqualified. So when first John
1809
01:50:19.399 --> 01:50:23.079
two says, those are not your books, you're citing our books.
1810
01:50:23.079 --> 01:50:26.520
They're not your book. How do you know that the
1811
01:50:26.560 --> 01:50:29.680
Holy Spirit hasn't those aren't your because they're not your books.
1812
01:50:30.039 --> 01:50:32.079
You don't have those books. Those are not your property.
1813
01:50:32.239 --> 01:50:38.800
They're taken out of context that Christ commanded Jesus also
1814
01:50:38.960 --> 01:50:40.960
established a church and you're not part of it.
1815
01:50:42.439 --> 01:50:42.920
How do you know that?
1816
01:50:43.920 --> 01:50:45.960
Because you're a self appointed s tree preacher and everything
1817
01:50:46.000 --> 01:50:49.600
you're saying is like super low tier self appointed Protestant nonsense.
1818
01:50:49.640 --> 01:50:52.640
What do you mean who appointed you to teach?
1819
01:50:53.920 --> 01:50:55.720
Can tell a person to go I don't.
1820
01:50:56.199 --> 01:50:58.720
If so, everybody claims that the Holy Spirit appointed them,
1821
01:50:58.760 --> 01:51:01.319
who decides, where's the norm authority to decide between all
1822
01:51:01.359 --> 01:51:02.800
these self appointed street preachers?
1823
01:51:03.520 --> 01:51:04.880
Who appointed Jon preach?
1824
01:51:05.960 --> 01:51:08.359
Again, you're begging the question that you were appointed by
1825
01:51:08.399 --> 01:51:10.159
the Holy Spirit. Why should we think that.
1826
01:51:13.239 --> 01:51:14.720
Because the Holy Spirit is so?
1827
01:51:14.880 --> 01:51:16.760
Because the Holy Spirit told me, Because the Holy Spirit
1828
01:51:16.800 --> 01:51:18.439
told me, that's your argument.
1829
01:51:19.039 --> 01:51:21.920
How how else would you know what's from God.
1830
01:51:21.880 --> 01:51:24.479
With normative authority in history? That's the point.
1831
01:51:24.800 --> 01:51:26.920
How do you know who has normative authority in history
1832
01:51:27.159 --> 01:51:29.119
without revolution from the Holy Spirit?
1833
01:51:30.439 --> 01:51:33.760
Because I have a historical attestation to the Church, and
1834
01:51:33.920 --> 01:51:36.880
Jesus established a body of people called bishops who have
1835
01:51:37.000 --> 01:51:38.039
that authority which you don't have.
1836
01:51:39.359 --> 01:51:40.239
How do you know they're the church?
1837
01:51:40.279 --> 01:51:42.760
How do you know the people that because they teach
1838
01:51:42.800 --> 01:51:45.079
the same they because they teach the same thing through
1839
01:51:45.119 --> 01:51:47.439
all these centuries, And I've read all these church fathers
1840
01:51:47.479 --> 01:51:49.199
and they decided what the Bible is.
1841
01:51:52.680 --> 01:51:55.279
And that so that means the Holy Spirit can't tell
1842
01:51:55.359 --> 01:51:56.239
me what the Bible is.
1843
01:51:56.680 --> 01:52:01.119
Correct because you disagree with them? Who because sorry, say,
1844
01:52:01.119 --> 01:52:03.000
he's losing his mind, going crazy. This is why we
1845
01:52:03.079 --> 01:52:04.920
can't This is what these people are insane, San Jose?
1846
01:52:05.079 --> 01:52:11.760
What's up? No, every random dude does not have the authority.
1847
01:52:11.760 --> 01:52:15.119
The very fact that you say yourself appointed proves that
1848
01:52:15.239 --> 01:52:18.960
you're not appointed, because you are not a part of
1849
01:52:19.039 --> 01:52:21.279
the people who gave you the book that you're using.
1850
01:52:22.039 --> 01:52:26.479
What's up, man, Jay Day it is It is the
1851
01:52:26.560 --> 01:52:30.439
great Reformer of Mansfield here, Martin Lusa, and I am
1852
01:52:30.520 --> 01:52:34.720
here to settle the issue of Apostolic succession once on
1853
01:52:34.800 --> 01:52:36.560
Tarol Do you hear me?
1854
01:52:36.760 --> 01:52:37.319
Jdayah?
1855
01:52:37.720 --> 01:52:40.479
I am here to tell you that from ze Lolius
1856
01:52:40.560 --> 01:52:44.640
peasant to the great Sist Bishop, everyone has the authority
1857
01:52:44.760 --> 01:52:46.800
to properly interpret the scripture.
1858
01:52:47.439 --> 01:52:50.039
Yes, I have received it. I have received it.
1859
01:52:50.359 --> 01:52:52.600
Yeah, this is what Luther said. Luther said he would
1860
01:52:53.119 --> 01:52:57.359
want every plowboy to have all the same authority and
1861
01:52:57.439 --> 01:53:07.600
power as the Pope. Dale Grassias, what's up? Yeah? Yeah?
1862
01:53:07.680 --> 01:53:14.039
So my question is, how is Orthodoxy essentially different than Protestantism?
1863
01:53:15.800 --> 01:53:21.680
I mean, are you serious or like, yeah, are you trolling?
1864
01:53:21.720 --> 01:53:22.399
Are you being serious?
1865
01:53:22.680 --> 01:53:22.720
No?
1866
01:53:22.880 --> 01:53:27.880
No, seriously, seriously, I've been looking into Orthodoxy and to me,
1867
01:53:28.760 --> 01:53:33.000
the more I dug into it, it just seems like it's.
1868
01:53:32.880 --> 01:53:33.600
Like the same thing.
1869
01:53:34.520 --> 01:53:38.319
Okay, come on, dude, are you wasting my time with
1870
01:53:38.399 --> 01:53:41.279
this nonsense? So if you actually dug into it, there's
1871
01:53:41.279 --> 01:53:43.119
literally no way you could actually say that and be serious.
1872
01:53:43.159 --> 01:53:46.680
That's why you're giggling. Where were we just?
1873
01:53:47.199 --> 01:53:47.319
Uh?
1874
01:53:53.039 --> 01:54:06.239
Paul repeats this principle in Hebrews five, even in the
1875
01:54:06.319 --> 01:54:10.560
Old Testament. You can't just do these things on your
1876
01:54:10.600 --> 01:54:14.199
own authority. No man takes this honor to himself. But
1877
01:54:14.319 --> 01:54:17.800
who is called by God as Aaron was now all
1878
01:54:17.960 --> 01:54:21.079
every Protestant, every giver says, the Holy Spirit cold me
1879
01:54:21.319 --> 01:54:23.640
to go preach on the street because God said so.
1880
01:54:24.399 --> 01:54:27.479
Because the Holy Spirit said so, There's no way that
1881
01:54:27.600 --> 01:54:30.000
any of us knows that you actually have this calling
1882
01:54:30.199 --> 01:54:32.960
unless there is a body of people that say that
1883
01:54:33.079 --> 01:54:37.800
you are called to do that. That's why no one
1884
01:54:37.880 --> 01:54:40.720
takes this authority on to himself. That's why Jesus established
1885
01:54:41.119 --> 01:54:49.119
bishops authority. And outside of that it is chaos. Even
1886
01:54:49.159 --> 01:54:53.199
inside the church there's problems, but outside it's total insanity.
1887
01:54:53.920 --> 01:54:59.119
Laptop five dollars. What's good? First? Super chat is information
1888
01:54:59.319 --> 01:55:05.239
physical or on physical? I mean information itself in terms
1889
01:55:05.279 --> 01:55:10.319
of the concept that is conveyed obviously is non physical,
1890
01:55:11.119 --> 01:55:16.760
but the texts or the symbols that represent the concepts
1891
01:55:17.079 --> 01:55:21.359
are physical, so it's a both end fuck it button
1892
01:55:21.439 --> 01:55:28.159
five dollars. I'm by curious emotional democrat. Jay is not
1893
01:55:28.319 --> 01:55:31.359
something that was on my bingo card. Turns out we
1894
01:55:31.399 --> 01:55:38.279
all make mistakes. Murat Akbulut gifted fifty memberships. Wow, thank
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you so much. Welcome all the new members. That's a hefty,
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nice super chat there, I mean gifting fuck it button
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five dollars. It is not Aliens. It is a clever
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country that has a sketchy history. We were lied about.
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We were lied to about that. There's a documentary called
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or he's joking about the movie.
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What is it?
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Iron Iron Sky? He's joking. David James ten pounds. Did
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you read Oriental Heritage by wil Durant? I have not
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read that. The paragraph says a nation is born stoic
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and it dies Epicurean is bone chilling, Okay. L Rodriguez
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five dollars. I'll have to I've not read much Wilderrant,
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but I thank you for that, David James, flood L
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Rodriguez hoods. While most conspiracy theories are bunk, I would
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still warn you about the too saw me coming your way.
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From the mega planet exactly. There's a black dude that
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can create megaplanets with his mind and also predict Whosammi's
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broke twenty dollars Esoteric Bollywood, Yes, that's a I think
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I actually made that joke like ten years ago. But
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if you guys want to repeat the jokes from ten
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years ago, you can and you can get esoter Collywood
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in the shop at Jason Elysis Jade. Did you see Bogonia?
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Do you like.
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Your ghost movies? I didn't like the previous one with
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Emma Stone. I thought Bogonia was great, and I was
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thinking about actually doing analysis of it tonight. But so
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actually I saw two movies recently, which this is rare
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to actually see two new movies that are worth an analysis,
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very rare. But Bogonia and Eden were both pretty good
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in just in turn. I mean, I'm not saying that
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I agree with everything in the movie or there's not
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criticisms to be made. I'm just saying like they at
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least had a message in symbolism, and and uh it
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was a little bit of the feminist nonsense in Bogonia,
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but it was still pretty funny. And uh, I knew
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exactly what was gonna happen, we called it, but gobbagool
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Tony gets some prosciudo and mozzarella. Jonathan Kelly five dollars.
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I want your opinion. If America balkanizes, where do we
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form the Orthodox Empire? I mean, I think we're a
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long time away from I think you're joking, but yeah,
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I mean, we're not going to build some political entity.
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But the church does thrive under persecution. So we only
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build the political stuff when the majority of the of
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the population has become Orthodox. Okay, we don't. This is
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the wrong headed idolatry of people that think that we'll
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fix the politics of the country. Uh, and then we'll
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do the religious stuff. I mean, the Roman Empire didn't
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become Christian until a few centuries of martyrs. Violator, that
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what's so funny? I mean, violator, you're going crazy with
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your emojis. What's up?
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I'm you?
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Okay?
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Were you doing the Protestant circle jerk stuff right now?
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Or is it opening to anything? What do you mean.
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You want to talk about or what are we talking about?
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Whatever you want?
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Okay, I want to accuse you of being a near
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Eurasian cook.
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Okay, how is that because the way you use Orthodoxy
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is not really as a discovery of truth or anything
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like that. It's more And it's funny because you just
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said right now that you don't want a political thing, but.
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Well that completely Wouldn't that mean that political movement?
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What do you want?
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Wouldn't that mean monarchy? Wouldn't that mean that My point
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stands that it is about truth. If I'm not primarily
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concerned with politics.
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I don't believe so. I think you're just disingenuous.
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Okay, about how what's what's the proof of that?
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I say, mostly your the way you engage with the
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with your face.
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It's it's not really to the way you attack the Catholics,
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the way you attack everything.
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I attack everything? How do I attack every way?
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The way you attack the Catholics is not really like,
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it's not really.
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Anything substantive outside of just your guy's biblical stuff. You
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won't you won't engage with Nick Fuents anymore, You won't
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engage with any of these people.
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Well, none of that's true. First of all, I asked
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multiple times for Nick to come and have a discussion, right,
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but you guys.
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Have had a discussion once before, and it was just
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a bublical like it was boring. I'm not a bublical guy,
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so it was boring. I'm more of a politics person.
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Okay. So again that that proves though that if the
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religion is about the biblical stuff, and that's mainly what
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I'm concerned with, that refute your argument that I'm disingenuous.
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I don't believe so.
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I don't believe so because the biggest thing that you do,
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but you're really really do is I've seen you you
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dance around the Christian nationalist.
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Thing, and the only thing that you've really really able.
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Took a concrete stances would you wear on?
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I think it was believe alex Is Jones so did
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a whole hour about talking about Christian nationalism.
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You do believe in that I believe in not within reach.
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So you're you're like a You're like a you don't
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even know my positions and you're just here to talk ship.
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I would say, I would say that you are more.
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Of like a communist who just realizes that there's no
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way of achieving your.
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Goal anytime soon.
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A communists, how as a member how as a member
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of ro Corps, as an Orthodox Christian monarchist, could I,
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in any possible way be a communist? It makes makes
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no sense.
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I'm accusing you of being a communist that is aware
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that their ideas are not achievable whatsoever within a modern
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context right now.
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You just said it to that guy earlier.
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So then I am how could I be disingenuous if
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I admit that we're not going to have a Christian
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monarchy because you're no different.
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Than the communists that says, oh yeah, you know, we
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could at some point how the state dissolve and how
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are a communist state?
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But it's just not achievable right now. But you can
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always talk about it, and that's what that's the whole point.
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So this is, this is so low, IQ that because
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I have a similar argument to a communist, I'm a communist.
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No no, no, no, no, no, that is not what
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I said.
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That is not what I said.
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I'm comparing the the disingenuous of both of your guys' stances.
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Decingenuous, bro a bro hold on though, hold on, bro,
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how does any of that prove I'm disingenuous? You don't
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realize it's a very effeminate thing to come and debate
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people's motives because you can never prove her disapproval. Man,
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that is very cool.
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You can call me a femine you want.
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But you do with the argument, Okay, it's.
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Not an argument, it's a it's an un it's an
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undisputed You are.
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No different, you are no different from them.
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How can you debate motives?
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Your politics will never be achievable.
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That's the only reason.
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Yeah, but I don't make politics number one, so what Yeah,
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but I'm saying to you that is your position you hold, well,
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you don't know nothing about nothing, bro, You do value monarchy?
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So do you not?
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But how does that make me like a comedy? It
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doesn't make any sense.
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It makes you like a comedy where you guys are
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both disingenuous with your positions.
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How is that you're too stupid to even understand that?
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That makes that makes me? How could that make me
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dis But how would that make me disingenuous?
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Earlier that the whole entire country?
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No, I didn't say that. I said that. I said
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the majority. I said the majority, and I said it's
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not in our lifetime? Why are you lying like a communists?
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The communist thing.
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The fact that someone sounds like a communist but as
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a totally different position has nothing to do with that.
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What do you not say this?
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You're being racist, You're saying.
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You're too dumb to even follow an argument. Man, you
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can't even understand the distinction between sounding when.
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You can't control the flow of the conversation.
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If but nothing you're saying makes any sense or is
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any any way convincing, and it actually proves it actually
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listens communist, it actually you know, it actually shows that
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I am genuine if I'm admitting that my position can't
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be achieved in my lifetime and I don't put politics first?
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Do you not understand that though, Dude, that someone says
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an argument like someone else has nothing to do with
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whether they have that position. That is so stupid.
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I'm just making a comparison that you are both disingenuous hacks, multiple.
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Like people like both anyone like that.
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You are no different from those people.
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And the fact that you just acknowledge that your political
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movement could never be achieved with in your lifetime.
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But you do, how would that make me disingenuous? How
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would that make me disingenuous? All you're doing are you
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demonically possessed? You're just shouting and you can't have a
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rational conversation. Why are you acting? But why are you
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so upset? It doesn't make any sense. I'm trying to
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reason with you. Why are you so mad? You calling
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me dipshit, all this stuff. I'm trying to reason with you.
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And did you not make fun of my accident?
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I make fun of everybody. It's part of the it's
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part of the joke. I'm not upset, I'm trying to
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reason with you. How does it make me disingenuine?
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It makes you disingenuous because you want to say that
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you don't have a political movement, but that is the goal.
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You do, want to change people's minds.
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You do.
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That's not politics. I don't believe that religions.
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No, it's not need majority of the country to be
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Orthodoxy in order for you to push your politics.
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Do you understand the difference? But do you understand the
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difference between priorities priority?
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Bro?
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You need to accomplish that first.
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No, you don't. I totally disagree with politics.
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First.
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I think that religion is more important than politics. So stop,
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you're just all right, You're all right, You're done, You're done.
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This is so stupid. Yeah, this is a low iq midwit.
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You can't even talk to to explain that. I don't
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believe that politics is first. I believe politics is lower
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on the priority. I believe religion comes first. And none
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of that would make me disingenuine. You might disagree with
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my approach, but that has absolutely nothing to do with
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being disingenuous. So it's like not even a coherent person. Kevin,
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what's up? Kevin? What's up?
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Hey? What's up?
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Jay's I just want to come on and say, yeah,
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that was crazy.
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I used to think the same thing about you. That
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was really I mean the broadest this, that, and the.
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Other memberships why, I have no idea. So I mean,
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if you're super chatting on dream Labs, you can super
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chat alula ten dollars. Without you, I wouldn't have a chance.
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This world is messed up. It's full of deceivers. At
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least I have a chance. Well, thank you. I'm glad
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to say that. At least it looks like we help
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some people. So that's good. John, you want try again?
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Hey?
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Can you hear me?
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Huh?
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So I have a question about the Western right.
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Uh do you think it would make it easier for
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Protestants to convert to Orthodoxy or do you think it's
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to the point where for the average American, the Western
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Right and the Byzantine rights are both equal.
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I don't think the Western right even really is worth it.
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It just causes more problems. So no, people just need
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to find a good Orthodox church and not worry about
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Western right. Orthop. What's up? And I'm saying, like the
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church and the priest matters more than what the right is? Like,
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what's up? Orthop? When I'm mute?
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What's up?
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Hey?
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I was wondering, I can't hear you, man? Can you
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can you talk into the mic?
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Yeah?
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Better barely? What's up? Yeah?
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I was wondering, what is the best way you would
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make the argument between me and thisism and Diophistism.
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I have a couple Oriental Orthodox friends.
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Well, we're not doing that tonight. I appreciate. We're gonna
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do the next stream in about a week or two
2140
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or tee me about what did KAY say? I think
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we're gonna do the seventeenth So we're gonna do the
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next installment of the Monophysite stuff, the seventeenth storm of
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the Cat ten dollars. Vox Days said that the false
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logic of Darwinian evolution is inspired by Adam Smith and
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02:09:30.760 --> 02:09:35.520
free trade economics where there's paris or protectionism. Do you
2146
02:09:35.560 --> 02:09:41.279
think that's true? Probably? Probably, I mean that seems to
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vibe with some of the stuff that I've read. I
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02:09:44.079 --> 02:09:48.439
don't know how far I think social Darwinism is absolutely
2149
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tied to Laise Fair, you know, Adam Smith, survival of
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02:09:52.600 --> 02:09:55.359
the fittest and the market type stuff, So probably I
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would agree with that. JB. Five dollars. Oh no, we
2152
02:09:59.199 --> 02:10:02.279
did that. Alula, Yo, my boy, thank you for what
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02:10:02.359 --> 02:10:02.479
you do.
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I love you.
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Thank you a Lula Storm the Captain dollars. Do you
2156
02:10:05.880 --> 02:10:11.239
like Dungeons Sith Synth? I don't know. I think I
2157
02:10:11.359 --> 02:10:16.079
played one clip of that one time.
2158
02:10:17.560 --> 02:10:17.960
Is it like.
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This nostalgic Dungeons synth? Let's see what it sounds like.
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M h.
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Yeah, it's okay. I guess it reminds me. I feel
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02:10:39.560 --> 02:10:42.399
like I'm playing, you know, Final Fantasy or something, so sorry,
2163
02:10:42.760 --> 02:11:01.039
I might play in the background or something. Marco, what's up, man, Marco?
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Am you?
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Hey, good evening.
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So as far as uh uh you know Darwinism, here's
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what I'm gonna say about that, there is uh you know,
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scientific proof that you know, illusion to a point it
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is factual. But uh, you know we can also use
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you know, Darwinism still and be Christians, you know, still
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02:11:32.039 --> 02:11:35.439
believe in Bible, you know, follow the.
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Way.
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Mm hmm Darvin, good old Darwin. Darvinism is where it's
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thank you, Joshua. What's up Eddie Lifts? Where's the atheist at?
2175
02:11:56.560 --> 02:11:58.479
They're the best? You know, we had one and I
2176
02:11:58.560 --> 02:12:00.840
just didn't have the energy to do the whole thing
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all over again. So if he had called in early on, maybe,
2178
02:12:04.079 --> 02:12:05.960
but we're three hours in. I just don't have the energy.
2179
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What's up?
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Man? Hey Jay, how you doing. I just want to
2181
02:12:10.439 --> 02:12:11.560
take the chance to say hello.
2182
02:12:11.720 --> 02:12:14.079
And I first found you on Info Wars with Alex.
2183
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I like your work, man. You make me, make me
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keep the mind open. And personally, I call myself a Christian.
2185
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I was raised in Christian family and community, but I
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find myself.
2187
02:12:26.479 --> 02:12:29.479
Religiously homeless because I don't really.
2188
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I don't know.
2189
02:12:31.560 --> 02:12:33.680
I have a hard time being told with a think
2190
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and how to feel about stuff. What do you have
2191
02:12:35.960 --> 02:12:36.920
to say to someone like me?
2192
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Go visit orthodox church. Try it that way rather than
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trying to do it intellectually. Gabriel, what's up. One of
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the things we talked about at the beginning of the
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stream tonight was the inadequacy of approaching everything intellectually, right.
2196
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That was kind of you know, when I was refuting
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myself from my twenties, I approached everything purely intellectually and oh,
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if I read all the books, I'll get it all
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02:13:07.279 --> 02:13:13.239
figured out. And uh that was a you know, an immature, idealistic,
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02:13:13.359 --> 02:13:15.359
young guy way to approach the world. And I was
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02:13:15.399 --> 02:13:23.039
wrong in that. What's up, Gabriel, Yeah, it's funny.
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Scientifics they have so much I.
2203
02:13:30.760 --> 02:13:32.600
Can hear you, man, Can you speak up your your
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02:13:33.039 --> 02:13:34.479
mi barely?
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02:13:34.520 --> 02:13:37.800
What's what? Oh? Uh?
2206
02:13:38.800 --> 02:13:43.079
Just a quick comment on on the evolutionary guys and
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02:13:43.199 --> 02:13:46.000
the scientificists all the time. You know, it's like funny
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02:13:46.079 --> 02:13:50.119
that they think they sound super smarting uh huh, fact
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and theory.
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Right.
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02:13:52.720 --> 02:13:56.800
It would be great that they just said, Okay, I
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don't know.
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We can't hear you man, there's no there's no sound,
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02:14:01.520 --> 02:14:04.439
no audio, it's all cutting out. So try to call
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02:14:04.520 --> 02:14:06.560
back when you got a better signal. Because I was
2216
02:14:06.640 --> 02:14:08.880
I was liking where you were going with that. I
2217
02:14:09.039 --> 02:14:13.920
was smelling what you're what you're putting out Andrew saying
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02:14:14.319 --> 02:14:16.720
five dollars redeem. Zoomer says that he's going to do
2219
02:14:16.760 --> 02:14:19.960
a full Orthodox debunk this month. Uh oh uh oh,
2220
02:14:20.159 --> 02:14:24.439
I'm scared. I guess it's I guess we're done. We
2221
02:14:24.520 --> 02:14:27.319
got a twenty two year old. He's going to end
2222
02:14:27.600 --> 02:14:33.159
it all. It's over. Pack it up, orthos, it's over,
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02:14:34.039 --> 02:14:38.000
straight white male five dollars. What's with hispanic ripers? Are
2224
02:14:38.039 --> 02:14:42.560
they aware that Nick is white identitarian? I don't think
2225
02:14:42.640 --> 02:14:46.359
that guy was very coherent about anything, so what does
2226
02:14:46.399 --> 02:14:48.760
that tell you? He just wanted to call in and
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02:14:49.720 --> 02:14:52.279
yell and cuss at me. Devin five dollars, Thank you
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02:14:52.399 --> 02:15:00.720
so much, Jonathan. No, we did that. Bye, No, we
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02:15:00.760 --> 02:15:04.199
did that. Excuse me, Anonymous, one hundred dollars. Thank you
2230
02:15:04.279 --> 02:15:06.279
for all this free content. Well, thank you, Anonymous. I
2231
02:15:06.560 --> 02:15:08.760
meant to get to the part too of changing images
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02:15:08.800 --> 02:15:13.439
of man, and we had way too many Protestants today
2233
02:15:13.560 --> 02:15:16.439
just going crazy on Twitter, so I thought, actually we
2234
02:15:16.479 --> 02:15:20.000
would get more Protestants calling in. We only got two,
2235
02:15:21.159 --> 02:15:26.039
but of course they were They were definitely gems. So
2236
02:15:26.119 --> 02:15:29.359
if you missed tonight's protestants, go back and rewind and
2237
02:15:29.560 --> 02:15:34.000
listen to them. Because we had a Baptist who was
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02:15:34.079 --> 02:15:37.640
ready to debate all about the canon and Athanasious, but
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02:15:37.840 --> 02:15:42.359
didn't know anything about Athenacious or the Church of Alexandria
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or what the canons of Nicea were. So that was comedic.
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02:15:46.680 --> 02:15:50.000
And then we had a self appointed street preacher prophet
2242
02:15:50.119 --> 02:15:54.960
man who also kind of had a meltdown. So we
2243
02:15:55.560 --> 02:15:59.800
had some excitement tonight. And if you're interested in perfect
2244
02:16:00.039 --> 02:16:02.920
exemplars of where the Protestant ethos ends up, you can
2245
02:16:03.039 --> 02:16:08.239
check those out. Jonathan, what's up? We do have church tomorrow,
2246
02:16:08.279 --> 02:16:11.039
as everybody knows, so I can't stay here all night.
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02:16:12.439 --> 02:16:14.880
Got to go to bed early because it's hard to
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02:16:14.920 --> 02:16:23.239
get up. Man, what's up, Jonathan, that's on your mind?
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02:16:24.720 --> 02:16:29.600
I'm a person, so probably the third one then, sure.
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Yeah, what's up? What's on your mind?
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02:16:33.159 --> 02:16:33.600
Can you hear me?
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02:16:34.600 --> 02:16:34.799
Yes?
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02:16:35.040 --> 02:16:37.200
Can you hear me? Yeah? It's fine.
2254
02:16:38.120 --> 02:16:41.079
It's specifically so again, I've listened to you a little bit.
2255
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I'm talking about your old video, your videos when it
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comes to our targets against well, no, it's the big
2257
02:16:48.840 --> 02:16:51.840
one that I kind of focused on to talk about
2258
02:16:52.040 --> 02:16:54.920
was about Norman of authority, because you say, I think
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02:16:54.920 --> 02:16:59.079
your position is that Christianism has a lack of normal authority.
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When it comes to even like yeah, so for example, like,
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02:17:03.159 --> 02:17:05.719
are is anybody bound in their conscience to what the
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02:17:05.799 --> 02:17:07.319
Candona scripture is or is it open?
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Would you would you take a like ecclesial tradition as
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02:17:12.719 --> 02:17:16.479
showing that it's supposed it's what our ecclesiology.
2265
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You're you're cutting out say that again.
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Sorry, man, it's my it's my.
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It's my it's my mic.
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So would you would you accept like, uh, this an
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ecclesiology specifically like.
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When we have Protestant cand of door cand of Door
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or like Westminster Baptist confessions. Well, I think the point
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is that even though you do believe that there are
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02:17:42.600 --> 02:17:47.079
these authorities quote unquote, the Protestant tradition out of the
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Reformation is premise partly on the idea that nobody can
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bind another man's conscience. So that's I think the sticking point,
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because you believe in the right of private interpretation too.
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02:17:59.639 --> 02:18:02.239
Yes, I think that that was in Westminster Baptist.
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02:18:02.520 --> 02:18:05.680
Right, So how can you do you think that? So
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for example, let's let's take the Council of Nicea when
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it excommunicates anybody who disagrees with Nicea. Clearly, they don't
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believe that everybody has the right of private interpretation and
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the freedom of conscience.
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Just and that's kind of built on the principle of
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the ability for the Church to be able to excommunicate.
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And call see right.
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Well, what I'm saying is that no, specifically, the idea
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that you can bind people's consciences to an interpretation contradicts
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the Protestant idea of the freedom of conscience and the
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02:18:41.120 --> 02:18:44.559
right of private interpretation. That's why that the normative authority
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thing is a problem.
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Got you, Okay, Now it's.
2292
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A little clear.
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I don't have an answer to that.
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02:18:50.159 --> 02:18:52.120
I just wanted to give a better No.
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I appreciate that. I'm happy to clarify. I am not
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saying as many Roman Catholics do, which I think is
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02:18:57.840 --> 02:19:01.440
a bad argument. I am not saying that normative authority
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grants individual epistemic certitude. I think when Roman Catholics make
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02:19:05.959 --> 02:19:08.000
that argument that, well, you can't know for sure without
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the pope, and that's just moving the problem back and stepka.
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I don't have anything else.
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But thank you for sure, Yeah, anytime. Appreciate your goodwill
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02:19:17.200 --> 02:19:21.159
and civil discussion there so we can have the civil
2304
02:19:21.239 --> 02:19:25.760
discussions all day long. It's very simple. Actually, just don't
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02:19:25.840 --> 02:19:29.799
call and cuss and scream at me, like like the
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02:19:30.440 --> 02:19:34.799
hispanic dude and the self appointed street preacher prophet, and
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02:19:35.479 --> 02:19:39.000
we'll have a great discussion. See it's very simple. It's
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02:19:39.040 --> 02:19:45.719
not that hard. Lat No, we did that one. Let's see. Well,
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02:19:45.719 --> 02:19:48.440
Emmanuel five dollars. My childish mind wants to say that
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02:19:48.559 --> 02:19:52.159
you were wrong about anime because there are some worth watching.
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Now.
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I actually agreed that there were some worth watching because
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I liked ghosts in the show. I liked, uh, what's
2314
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the you know, Mio Ayazaki movies. I enjoyed those. They're
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02:20:06.200 --> 02:20:10.600
kind of weird. I just forget about it, and I
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02:20:10.639 --> 02:20:14.520
don't think about getting around to watching a full Metal
2317
02:20:14.559 --> 02:20:20.120
Alchemists and Neon, even Jellium whatever. I will eventually watch those,
2318
02:20:21.360 --> 02:20:26.360
So I'm not like just the automatic anime hater. I mean,
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02:20:26.760 --> 02:20:31.479
anime was already underground getting popular in the nineties when
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02:20:31.520 --> 02:20:34.920
I was a teenager, so I was like seeing it
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becoming popular. And my best friend, the one that passed away,
2322
02:20:41.239 --> 02:20:43.319
that was a comic book artist that died this year,
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02:20:44.760 --> 02:20:48.399
I mean, he liked he wasn't super obsession that so
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02:20:48.479 --> 02:20:53.200
many people have with weird parts of anime. That's the
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weird part. But uh, there's nothing about the artistic style
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itself that I don't like.
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I like of it.
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I also resent the fact that when I go in
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a bookstore it's gigantic rows of shells of anime and
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manga now and it's not books. So it's also kind
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of like, how can I phrase this? It's a foreign
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art form, which I can appreciate, and I don't dislike
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foreign art forms, but I want Western civilization to also
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preserve and have its native art forms. Does that make sense?
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Oh so you hate jumping use people? See how stupid? No,
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I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, why is everybody
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you know, twenty five and under, thirty and under like
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super into anime? And I don't mind it in the
2339
02:21:59.319 --> 02:22:03.559
sense like yeaheple can have diverse tastes and appreciation in
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02:22:03.680 --> 02:22:08.040
terms of art and all that, but it's sort of
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like the hip hopification of everything, Like why is everybody
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only like super obsessed with hip hop for the last
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thirty years and then rap is you know, all that's
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02:22:17.920 --> 02:22:21.280
kind of dying out, but like it is black culture,
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02:22:21.399 --> 02:22:23.600
and I don't mind it. But it's like, are all
2346
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the white people supposed to be into black culture? Why
2347
02:22:26.159 --> 02:22:30.440
can't we just have people appreciating everybody's culture and having
2348
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your own native art and culture. MKG says Full Metal Alchemist.
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Is it the symbol looks like the monarchical Trinity? Yeah,
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I mean I'm absolutely open to watching some of these things,
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decoding them and appreciating them. Like I said, I've always
2352
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liked Ghosts on the Shell. Remember when I first got
2353
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a CD ROM on a computer, like back in the
2354
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two thousands, my buddy who's the comic book artist, one
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02:23:00.639 --> 02:23:03.000
of the first CD ROMs that he burned off was
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Ghosts in the show, So he burned that off for
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me to watch on computer. I was like, this is
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like the most nerdy shit ever. It's like people burning
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off anime to watch on CD rems. Joshua, what's up, hey, Jay?
2360
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Since it came up, Thanks for a second shot here anime?
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Right?
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I would love to see you do a breakdown on
2363
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something like Blue Exorcist.
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Have you ever heard of that familiar with No?
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I mean people just people say all these animes and
2366
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I don't even I've never even heard of them.
2367
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So I got what is that Blue Exorcist with like
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the Catholic Exorcism school and you know, a relationship between
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demons and exorcists.
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It's a pretty.
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Interesting anime, and I think that'd be something you'd do
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a great breakdown on.
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Okay, I'll check, I'll take a look at some of these.
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I just always forget to do it. But I actually
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probably grow the channel a lot more if we covered
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a lot of that stuff, because those things are probably
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more popular than like the movies that we cover.
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I don't know.
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So see everybody's saying, when are you gonna do Neon
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Genesis Evangelian. I mean people have actually been telling me
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to do that for like ten years, so maybe I should. Gabriel,
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did you want to try again? Is your mic better?
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Are you there? I'm you, Julio Marida? Yeah, what's up?
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Okay? Is it better than last time?
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Yes? Much better?
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Hi, I don't funny, thank you.
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There's some very interesting themes an anime, and any man,
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there's a lot of cultural trash there as well, and
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I think a lot of like.
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Foreign subversion.
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But I would recommend, like no, I'm not gonna recommend
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anything to do your own research. But the issue with
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with ANIME, I think is the popularity that it has
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is the decay.
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Of Western media.
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That's what I was trying to think is like people
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are looking for aesthetics elsewhere, not that I blame them,
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but I think we need to we need to recover
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our own aesthetic.
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Right, Yeah, it would be great because yeah, they do
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have some like very it's it's very thoughtful, like even
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in the.
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As a comparison, it has deep it has depth as
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and you don't really get as.
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Much in today's Western media, like you do have great classics.
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Oh.
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But to to what I was going at earlier with
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scientific evolutionary types is.
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That they.
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If anyone understood their own epistemology, they should admit that
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they don't really know that their theories, and you know,
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02:26:12.159 --> 02:26:14.799
they always try to make this distinction for political reasons,
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like a theory isn't actually just a hypothesis, because it isn't.
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It's more than a hypothesis, but that the relationship with
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the facts and the theory is a pite case.
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It's a it's a paradigm, and it's it should.
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Be as you know, in scientific rigor, it should be
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subject to revision you know when better information comes up.
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So nothing is set in stone, and like the facts
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can build the theory. You're supposed to build a theory
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with facts, but the theory isn't a fact, right. You
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02:26:45.600 --> 02:26:48.040
can't say, oh, the theory of evolution is act is
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a fact.
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That would be completely dishonest, makes no sense.
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But it would be interesting if they could ever argue
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from that point of view, like, oh, we we joined
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all be very meticulous, we joined all these little pieces
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of fact that's together and made this very like eloquent
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and not really facts either.
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I mean like they put facts into it. Similar like
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they put facts into it, which is the replicability. But
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the theory is what's like, what's a fact?
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Well, like I.
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Found a boat, that's a fact. Okay, what does the
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bone mean?
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Is the theory?
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Now it's not.
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So facts are actually propositions about the boat. The boat's
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not the fact, and science facts are factual statements.
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About observation, and any of those can be revised.
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So that's one of the problems is Colosly we just
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think like, oh, fact is something that's.
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Kind of given, it's true, et cetera.
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But nobody even knows philosophy of science, and it's like.
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Facts are not out there in the world.
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Facts are a property of prop propositions, and the facts
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are about the world. And people think like, oh, that's
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just kind of like a objective kind of givenness or something.
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It's like any of those could be revised.
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Yeah, I understand, I understand series probably Oh sorry, sorry, no,
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go ahead, Oh that the epistemic proposition is not even
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you know, fathomed.
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They don't.
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They don't go there like the they diss that as
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a sort of armchair philosophy. But even in their own,
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like I'm talking even from their own perspective what they
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considered to be facts from their epistemic or lack thereof,
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02:28:50.879 --> 02:28:54.399
they still make that confusion between what they would consider
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facts and you know what is clearly not a fact,
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which is you know, the the arrative that they sort
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of twirled between the the facults. That's why I called
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it factlets, because it's it doesn't really have an epistemic structure.
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But you know, even in their.
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Cosmo vision of what effect is, they still make that confusion.
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They don't they can't make that distinction between fact and theory.
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You know why, Well, I guess it's political it's because power.
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They're they're the high process. And I was going to
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say because they're retarded, but.
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Yeah, no, I think I think it's it's it's a
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political posture. They gain influence, and it's what gives them
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their grants. It's in the end, it is a doctrine
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that they have to uphold and it gives them power
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and grants, you know, and tenures and all that shit.
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Yeah, right, yeah, I appreciate that. Thank you for chumming
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in the FDA guys.
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I want.
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Note that the good news is that it seems like
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since the Apple update, the infamous choppy audio issue is
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02:30:11.719 --> 02:30:15.079
finally hopefully solved, right, Like, we didn't have any of
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that pretty much for most of the last stream in
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02:30:17.440 --> 02:30:20.719
this stream, so I think maybe, I mean, I don't
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know what happened in the last couple of minutes, but
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hopefully that issue is solved. I mean, you guys didn't
2484
02:30:27.280 --> 02:30:31.239
hear any choppy in the live stream yesterday or today
2485
02:30:31.319 --> 02:30:34.879
right anyway, But I think we're gonna have to call it.
2486
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And I thank you guys so much. A lot of fun.
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Thank you FDA for popping in here, guys. Remember heading
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02:30:39.360 --> 02:30:42.959
over to chalk dot com thank you, welcome all the
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02:30:43.040 --> 02:30:46.799
new members. Zach says, I was raised Catholic, I'm now
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the non denominational. I'm generally inquiring. My wife says that
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she would never become Orthodox thoughts. I mean, you know,
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love your wife and invite her to liturgy and once
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once she find and sees that there's sane women and
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you can have, you know, an actual relationship with saying people.
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That's usually what's going to convert the ladies. So she
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might have a change of heart. Making sure I didn't
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miss any super shots Joshua three dollars. Is it easier
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to convert Protestants or atheists? I don't know there's easier.
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I mean, I think everybody kind of needs the same
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02:31:32.879 --> 02:31:38.360
grace pretty much, and people convert for different reasons, so
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it's a good question. I don't know that either one's
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necessarily easier. Did you see Zoomer historian got his channel nuked?
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Now?
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Is that the guy that talks about tiny mustache man
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that was trying to see if he would wanted to
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come and do a debate. No, I didn't know he
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did that. Or this proves your point about you can't
2508
02:32:03.920 --> 02:32:07.799
talk about these topics and have a career. Yeah, I mean,
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you know, you never know really what what's going to
2510
02:32:10.760 --> 02:32:12.600
get you nuked and what's not. That's kind of a name.
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Rolocks j Are Calvicks an Orthodox at a standstill about infiltration.
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I don't know what you mean infiltration. I mean, I
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know what you mean, Like, I mean, what do you
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mean by standstill? No, I don't. I don't think the
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church is ultimately going to cave to to infiltration. I
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think the Roman Catholic system, because the nature of its
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02:32:42.319 --> 02:32:46.799
system is already compromised and at a systemic level, contradicts.
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But I don't think so, old timer. Can you give
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me a book recommendation about the monarchy of the Father?
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I mean doctor bo Branson's lectures. There's a there's a
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playlist of doctor Branson. Let's see if I can find it.
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And also I'm not sure that there is a book
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on monarchy of the Trinity. I mean usually, you know,
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02:33:29.559 --> 02:33:32.639
if you read Orthodox theology in general, it's going to
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02:33:32.719 --> 02:33:35.879
come up because it's it's just classic, you know, Orthodox theology.
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But if you look at this playlist right here, the
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Monarchy of the Father, that's a good good source for that.
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