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Hello everyone, and welcome to another edition of the Jake's
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Take with Jacob a Star podcast. I'm a host, Jacob
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Alijar and chief content producer and writer at Jakesheak dot com,
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a pop culture entertainment news website. If you're watching us
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download this episode and more episodes. I'm honored and thrilled
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to welcome this guest to my right. She is for
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twenty five years, she was the She worked for the
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Philadelphia Inquirer, and then she became the very first woman
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to hold the title of editor in chief of The Forward.
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She has interviewed Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin at Yahoo, former
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President Barack Obama, and a late Jessice Ruth Meteginsburg. She
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has contributed to The Atlantic, The Boston Globe, the Los
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Angeles Times, and Time Magazine. She has a new book out,
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Carol King She Made The Earth Move, which can be
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bought on Amazon and Barnes Noble.
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I'm very honored and welcome.
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To have Jane Nice near to the podcast.
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I'm very glad to be here.
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Jake Jane, is such an honor to have you here.
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Thank you so much for what you've done for the
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art of journalism and important more hotly, Jewish journalism.
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Thank you all right, So let's get started.
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So when you get interested in journalism and how did
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that passion evolve into desire to pursue your career in
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the media industry.
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Well, I'm one of these corny people who decided in
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what we used to call junior high school that she
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wanted to become a journalist. And it's something I've pursued
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through most of my life. I have done a few
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other kinds of jobs there, but I certainly think that
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journalism is my passion. I think I'm good at it
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can always get better and it opens the world to you.
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You know, I was a kid in the Bronx who,
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you know, grew up in a place that certainly was
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filled with people who were trying to achieve. But I never,
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in my wildest dreams thing thought I was going to
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interview a president in the old Wolf office. And that's
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a kind of possibility certainly that existed in journalism as
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I knew it. I'm afraid those opportunities are have shrinked
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shrunken dramatically, and I hope, I hope that young people
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will still see this as a wonderful profession.
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I agree completely. As a kid from Kansas City, watching
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the likes of Just Philip and Barbara Walters, Katie Kirk
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and Dan Rather and the late Peter Jennings on my
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television that inspired me to do this and go to
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school for gurals and work with the great people and internet,
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both the Boxvilli and Kents City and the ABC NBC
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affiliates of Denver. Without that, I wouldn't be sitting with
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you today.
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That's a great story too.
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Thank you so much. I really appreciate.
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So from nineteen eighty to two thousand and five you
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worked with the Philadelphia Inquirer in multiple roles. So how
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did that work? Your work at the publication help you
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grow as a journalist?
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Oh gosh, Philadelphia Inquirer when I was there in the
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nineteen eighties and nineteen nineties was arguably the best newsroom
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to work at in the country. It was run by
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Gene Roberts, who was the editor, and Jene Foreman, the
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managing editor, and it was a place where we just
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were encouraged to do great stories. To do investigative work
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to reach high The news room was also fun. They
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definitely the top editors definitely believed that a kind of
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camaraderie was a good environment to do great work. And
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I was very fortunate. I was the first woman, certainly
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the first mother in many of my roles, and the
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men took a chance on me. You know, I became
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a foreign correspondent in my late twenties with a year
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old child, and they didn't say, oh, she'll never take
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this job because of her situation. They said, do you
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want it? And of course I never ever had thought
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that that's what I would do. In the minute it
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was offered, I wanted to do nothing else. So I
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appreciate and what the way that the management the leaders
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took chance people, and I tried to replicate that later
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in my career.
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I got to say, having mentors that trust you and
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have and take a chance on you, it's always been great,
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no matter for me, if it's either working at my
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current day shop right now at a federal agency or
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working in retail. And not to mention all the people
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that have come on here, I took a chance on you.
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So I'm very grateful for everything's happened, and it's amazing
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to hear. It's amazing feeling to know that you want
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that someone wants to take the chance on you and
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want to shine. Yes, yes, alrighty, So you now, let's
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go to talk about the forwards. From twenty eight twenty nineteen,
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you were the editor in chief of The Ford. You
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sat down with significant interviews with former US President Barack Obama,
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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin and Yahoo, and the late Supreme
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Court Justice Ruth Binga Ginsburg. But what were some of
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the biggest takeaways from these conversations.
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Well, they varied. I'm going to be honest with you,
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the President was just amazingly gracious. I mean, we all
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knew that he was articulate and persuasive. I was there
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really primarily to talk about the Iran nuclear deal, which
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was quite contentious in the Jewish community at that time.
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And I can only tell you that they told me
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I was going to have fifteen minutes with him, and
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it turned into forty five. So that was quite amazing.
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I had a less pleasant experience with Prime Minister Natanyahu.
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He is not an easy person to interview. I think
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all the journalists in Israel will tell you that. So, yeah,
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that was not as good and just as Skinsburg. Wow,
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that was just such an experience. We did that interview
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live at a synagogue in Washington, d C. That fit.
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I was told like twelve hundred fourteen hundred people and
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it was also streamed. So just to be in front
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of that many people with someone like her, and what
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was truly extraordinary take is that, you know, we had
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these secret service people around us. She's tiny, tiny, I
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mean I'm tiny and she's tinier, and we walk on stage.
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I was behind her, of course, and there's this just roar.
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I mean, I've just never experienced that. It was at
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I don't know. She was so beloved at that time.
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So that was a really important part of, you know,
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of my life as well.
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That's amazing to hear that crowd and hear that appreciation. Yes,
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that is something that she's definitely greatly missed. And I
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definitely think in addition to those magnificent blockbuster interviews. During
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your time at the Forward, the online news outlet became
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the most influential Jewish news outlet in the country and
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won numerous regional and national awards. So can you describe
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how your strategy and the editorial team strategy that propelled
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the forward into becoming what it is today.
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Well, I inherited a newsroom that had been neglected and discouraged.
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I think it's fair to say that my predecessor had
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left almost a year ago and there really was no leadership.
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So over time I rebuilt the newsroom. There were people
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who left, and that was fine, but that gave me
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the opportunity to hire new people. And what I was
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looking for were people who were very good at their craft,
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but also were willing to try new things, to experiment,
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who were fearless because it's tough to work in Jewish media,
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as I'm sure you know, and to think about having
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a team, you know, with people who had different strengths,
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but also some things that weren't so strong and that
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other people made up for it. And we worked hard
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to do serious investigative work, taking on a lot of
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important topics anti Semitism, child abuse, things like that, and
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then also to prepare ourselves for the digital age, which
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required a whole different way of thinking producing news standards
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of excellence. So it was a fantastic time and I
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do feel like I did a lot.
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And he did a lot of wondering me and the
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board still continues to do this, especially during one of
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the darkest moments in our history. So, as of this recording,
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we are coming up on a second anniversary the deadly
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October seventh attacks. Your humble opinion, how has the Jewish
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Median covered the rise of anti Scionism and anti Semitism?
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And also how has how has.
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The mainstream media either hurts or helps cover this cover
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this thing?
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Well, I'm going to be really honest, I can't answer
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your first question because I haven't paid attention to all
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Jewish media. I certainly daily read israel websites American websites,
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but I'm not as immersed in it as I once was.
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It's also hard to assess the mainstream media because again,
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you know, I'm a subscriber to the New York Times,
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to the Washington Post, to The Atlantic, but I can't
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tell you that I know what local and regional papers
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are doing. You know, overall, I think the cover seems
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to be accurate and fair. It is a very troubling story,
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not only what happened on October seventh, but what's happened
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in the last almost two years, and sometimes that coverage
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is really disquieting, really upsetting, but we need to know
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about it, and it's important for us as human beings,
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as Jews, and also to be able to develop our
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own opinions about what's happening with the gossip war.
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Absolutely, it's definitely, it's definitely been frustrating, and it's definitely
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been hard on not just me, but covering but also
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getting gas as well, and also trying to make sure
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that I find a fine line between what's posted on
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social media and what not to post. So it's definitely
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interesting to learn to have that balance.
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Yes, I can imagine.
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So, absolutely, But however, I want to get into a
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much more happier story because it's your latest book. I'm
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one of my all time favorite women, the legendary Carol King.
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So Carol King, she made the earth mood. Why decide
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it was time to write a book on this amazing woman.
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Well, there hadn't been a full biography of her life
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ever written. There was a book published nearly twenty years
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ago that was what we call a group biography about
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Joni Mitchell and Carly Simon, but it stopped at a
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certain time. So I thought this was a great moment
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to do that. Fortunately, Yale University Press and the Jewish
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Live series agreed with me, and that's how I started
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researching and writing this book.
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As you, what were some of the lessons that you
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learned about Carol King throughout your writing process?
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Well, the first is that she is a complicated woman.
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She certainly has enormous achievement, perhaps unique achievement, in what
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she does, but she also had struggles. You know, she
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had four marriages, none of them ended happily, and she
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kind of, I wouldn't say fled, but she moved to
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Idaho and lived in very remote communities for years and years.
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And whether that was an escape from fame or just
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a desire to get closer to the earth, I think
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readers can make their own conclusions about that. But the
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big thing I think I learned was how complex and
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original her music was. We all know her lyrics or
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the music that she composed to go with other lyrics,
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for example, the famous ones written by her late husband,
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Jerry Goffin. But it was only when I actually learned
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how to play the piano my skills were really rusty,
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that I came to appreciate how she was playing around
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with chords and with song structures and trying to do
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things that were relatable but also nuanced. That helps create
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these deep attachments to her songs that I think last
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till today.
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Absolutely, And I definitely agree because I remember when I
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as I'm going through right now, one of my all
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time pavoed songs is that you make Me feel like
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a natural woman. And I still remember Aretha Franklin one
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of her final Reform appearances at the Tiny Center. Yes,
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that through that song and written make make Carroll see
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Carol cheer on her on when she played the piano
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and President writing a Tear from his Eyes. That means
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one of the best performances interpretations that song.
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Yes it is, And you know it's also quite remarkable.
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I mean, here was a Jewish girl from Brooklyn who
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came from a working class family and had just all
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this talent and ambition. You have Aretha Franklin, a singer,
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a black singer from the Deep South who had very
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troubled childhood and rose to this you know heights, and
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then you have the first black president and they were
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all together in their own ways, just connecting deeply to
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this music. And you know it I think really represented
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some of the best opportunities we have in America. It
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definitely represented a brilliant and hopeful moment.
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Absolutely. Absolutely.
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One of my bacon and last questions is this, why
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should my audience read Carol King she maybe move Well?
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I think I tell a good story, and I tell
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the story about a brilliant, consequential, complicated, an amazing woman
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who wrote songs that, as you said, Jake, that we
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still connect to today and they've enriched our lives. And
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I think hers is a Jewish story that shows how
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Jewish women like her can really not just shape, but
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really elevate American popular culture.
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twenty five years, she was the She worked for the
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Philadelphia Inquirer, and then she became the very first woman
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She has interviewed Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin at Yahoo, former
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President Barack Obama, and a late Jessice Ruth Meteginsburg. She
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Carol King She Made The Earth Move, which can be
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bought on Amazon and Barnes Noble.
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I'm very honored and welcome.
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I'm very glad to be here.
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Jake Jane, is such an honor to have you here.
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Thank you so much for what you've done for the
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art of journalism and important more hotly, Jewish journalism.
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Thank you all right, So let's get started.
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So when you get interested in journalism and how did
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that passion evolve into desire to pursue your career in
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Well, I'm one of these corny people who decided in
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what we used to call junior high school that she
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wanted to become a journalist. And it's something I've pursued
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through most of my life. I have done a few
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other kinds of jobs there, but I certainly think that
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journalism is my passion. I think I'm good at it
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can always get better and it opens the world to you.
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You know, I was a kid in the Bronx who,
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you know, grew up in a place that certainly was
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filled with people who were trying to achieve. But I never,
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in my wildest dreams thing thought I was going to
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interview a president in the old Wolf office. And that's
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a kind of possibility certainly that existed in journalism as
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I knew it. I'm afraid those opportunities are have shrinked
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shrunken dramatically, and I hope, I hope that young people
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will still see this as a wonderful profession.
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I agree completely. As a kid from Kansas City, watching
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the likes of Just Philip and Barbara Walters, Katie Kirk
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television that inspired me to do this and go to
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school for gurals and work with the great people and internet,
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both the Boxvilli and Kents City and the ABC NBC
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affiliates of Denver. Without that, I wouldn't be sitting with
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That's a great story too.
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Thank you so much. I really appreciate.
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So from nineteen eighty to two thousand and five you
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did that work? Your work at the publication help you
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grow as a journalist?
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Oh gosh, Philadelphia Inquirer when I was there in the
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nineteen eighties and nineteen nineties was arguably the best newsroom
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to work at in the country. It was run by
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Gene Roberts, who was the editor, and Jene Foreman, the
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managing editor, and it was a place where we just
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were encouraged to do great stories. To do investigative work
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to reach high The news room was also fun. They
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definitely the top editors definitely believed that a kind of
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camaraderie was a good environment to do great work. And
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I was very fortunate. I was the first woman, certainly
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the first mother in many of my roles, and the
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men took a chance on me. You know, I became
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a foreign correspondent in my late twenties with a year
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old child, and they didn't say, oh, she'll never take
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this job because of her situation. They said, do you
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want it? And of course I never ever had thought
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that that's what I would do. In the minute it
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was offered, I wanted to do nothing else. So I
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appreciate and what the way that the management the leaders
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took chance people, and I tried to replicate that later
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have and take a chance on you, it's always been great,
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no matter for me, if it's either working at my
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current day shop right now at a federal agency or
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working in retail. And not to mention all the people
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that have come on here, I took a chance on you.
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So I'm very grateful for everything's happened, and it's amazing
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to hear. It's amazing feeling to know that you want
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that someone wants to take the chance on you and
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want to shine. Yes, yes, alrighty, So you now, let's
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go to talk about the forwards. From twenty eight twenty nineteen,
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you were the editor in chief of The Ford. You
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sat down with significant interviews with former US President Barack Obama,
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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin and Yahoo, and the late Supreme
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Court Justice Ruth Binga Ginsburg. But what were some of
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the biggest takeaways from these conversations.
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the President was just amazingly gracious. I mean, we all
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knew that he was articulate and persuasive. I was there
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really primarily to talk about the Iran nuclear deal, which
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was quite contentious in the Jewish community at that time.
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I was going to have fifteen minutes with him, and
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it turned into forty five. So that was quite amazing.
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I had a less pleasant experience with Prime Minister Natanyahu.
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all the journalists in Israel will tell you that. So, yeah,
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that was not as good and just as Skinsburg. Wow,
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that was just such an experience. We did that interview
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live at a synagogue in Washington, d C. That fit.
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I was told like twelve hundred fourteen hundred people and
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it was also streamed. So just to be in front
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of that many people with someone like her, and what
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was truly extraordinary take is that, you know, we had
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these secret service people around us. She's tiny, tiny, I
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mean I'm tiny and she's tinier, and we walk on stage.
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I was behind her, of course, and there's this just roar.
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I mean, I've just never experienced that. It was at
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I don't know. She was so beloved at that time.
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of my life as well.
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That's amazing to hear that crowd and hear that appreciation. Yes,
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that is something that she's definitely greatly missed. And I
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definitely think in addition to those magnificent blockbuster interviews. During
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your time at the Forward, the online news outlet became
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the most influential Jewish news outlet in the country and
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won numerous regional and national awards. So can you describe
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how your strategy and the editorial team strategy that propelled
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the forward into becoming what it is today.
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Well, I inherited a newsroom that had been neglected and discouraged.
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left almost a year ago and there really was no leadership.
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So over time I rebuilt the newsroom. There were people
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who left, and that was fine, but that gave me
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the opportunity to hire new people. And what I was
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looking for were people who were very good at their craft,
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but also were willing to try new things, to experiment,
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who were fearless because it's tough to work in Jewish media,
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as I'm sure you know, and to think about having
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a team, you know, with people who had different strengths,
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but also some things that weren't so strong and that
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other people made up for it. And we worked hard
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to do serious investigative work, taking on a lot of
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important topics anti Semitism, child abuse, things like that, and
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then also to prepare ourselves for the digital age, which
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required a whole different way of thinking producing news standards
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of excellence. So it was a fantastic time and I
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do feel like I did a lot.
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board still continues to do this, especially during one of
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the darkest moments in our history. So, as of this recording,
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we are coming up on a second anniversary the deadly
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October seventh attacks. Your humble opinion, how has the Jewish
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Median covered the rise of anti Scionism and anti Semitism?
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The mainstream media either hurts or helps cover this cover
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this thing?
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Well, I'm going to be really honest, I can't answer
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your first question because I haven't paid attention to all
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Jewish media. I certainly daily read israel websites American websites,
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but I'm not as immersed in it as I once was.
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It's also hard to assess the mainstream media because again,
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you know, I'm a subscriber to the New York Times,
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to the Washington Post, to The Atlantic, but I can't
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tell you that I know what local and regional papers
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are doing. You know, overall, I think the cover seems
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to be accurate and fair. It is a very troubling story,
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not only what happened on October seventh, but what's happened
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in the last almost two years, and sometimes that coverage
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is really disquieting, really upsetting, but we need to know
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about it, and it's important for us as human beings,
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as Jews, and also to be able to develop our
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own opinions about what's happening with the gossip war.
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Absolutely, it's definitely, it's definitely been frustrating, and it's definitely
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been hard on not just me, but covering but also
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getting gas as well, and also trying to make sure
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that I find a fine line between what's posted on
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social media and what not to post. So it's definitely
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interesting to learn to have that balance.
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So, absolutely, But however, I want to get into a
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much more happier story because it's your latest book. I'm
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one of my all time favorite women, the legendary Carol King.
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So Carol King, she made the earth mood. Why decide
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it was time to write a book on this amazing woman.
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ever written. There was a book published nearly twenty years
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ago that was what we call a group biography about
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Joni Mitchell and Carly Simon, but it stopped at a
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certain time. So I thought this was a great moment
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to do that. Fortunately, Yale University Press and the Jewish
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Live series agreed with me, and that's how I started
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researching and writing this book.
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As you, what were some of the lessons that you
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learned about Carol King throughout your writing process?
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Well, the first is that she is a complicated woman.
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She certainly has enormous achievement, perhaps unique achievement, in what
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she does, but she also had struggles. You know, she
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had four marriages, none of them ended happily, and she
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kind of, I wouldn't say fled, but she moved to
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Idaho and lived in very remote communities for years and years.
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a desire to get closer to the earth, I think
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readers can make their own conclusions about that. But the
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big thing I think I learned was how complex and
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original her music was. We all know her lyrics or
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the music that she composed to go with other lyrics,
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for example, the famous ones written by her late husband,
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Jerry Goffin. But it was only when I actually learned
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how to play the piano my skills were really rusty,
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that I came to appreciate how she was playing around
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with chords and with song structures and trying to do
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things that were relatable but also nuanced. That helps create
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these deep attachments to her songs that I think last
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till today.
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Absolutely, And I definitely agree because I remember when I
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as I'm going through right now, one of my all
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time pavoed songs is that you make Me feel like
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a natural woman. And I still remember Aretha Franklin one
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of her final Reform appearances at the Tiny Center. Yes,
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that through that song and written make make Carroll see
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Carol cheer on her on when she played the piano
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and President writing a Tear from his Eyes. That means
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one of the best performances interpretations that song.
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Yes it is, And you know it's also quite remarkable.
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I mean, here was a Jewish girl from Brooklyn who
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came from a working class family and had just all
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this talent and ambition. You have Aretha Franklin, a singer,
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a black singer from the Deep South who had very
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troubled childhood and rose to this you know heights, and
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then you have the first black president and they were
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all together in their own ways, just connecting deeply to
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this music. And you know it I think really represented
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some of the best opportunities we have in America. It
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definitely represented a brilliant and hopeful moment.
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Absolutely. Absolutely.
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One of my bacon and last questions is this, why
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should my audience read Carol King she maybe move Well?
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I think I tell a good story, and I tell
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the story about a brilliant, consequential, complicated, an amazing woman
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who wrote songs that, as you said, Jake, that we
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still connect to today and they've enriched our lives. And
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I think hers is a Jewish story that shows how
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Jewish women like her can really not just shape, but
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really elevate American popular culture.
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Absolutely, and my final question is this, where can they
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find the book? And if you're doing any book book talks,
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where can they find tickets to those talks? And also
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if you're on social media, where can my audience connect
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with you?
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Well, the book is available on all online sites and
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all so through the Jewish Lives website. I'm on Facebook
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a lot and LinkedIn, so you can always reach me there.
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I am doing quite a few personal appearances all around
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the country after the Jewish Holidays thanks to the Jewish
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Book Council and the network that they create between authors
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and venues. So right now there are too many to mention,
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but I do hope people will come and see me
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in person and buy the book then happy to sign
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it or get it in any way that seems right
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for them.
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Awesome, and guys, to be missing an episode of the podcast.
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information on everything that on the blog, visit the blog
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and started all Jake Seshik dot com, James, Jake Seshion
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dot com. Jane, it was an honor and privilege to
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welcome you to my podcast, and thank you so much
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for taking time at your schedule to talk with me today.
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I really appreciate it.
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Thank you.
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It was a pleasure.
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All righty, guys, thank you so much for watching, Thank
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you so much for listening. Until next time, have a
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great one, everybody.
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Good Bye,
