The Mindset Movement with Coach Vern

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Episode 10 of the inside the wave podcast
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with the real deal Coach Verne, thanks for
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having me back man director of martial arts
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at utopia fresh out of the cage
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Yeah, I did a cage grappling match. How did
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that go? It was, it was fun. So, uh, last
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minute, Bob Duffy, um, a friend of ours,
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previous podcast. Yeah, he was on here and,
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uh, he, he just sent a SOS on social. He
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says, Hey, I just need a couple more bodies.
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So. I signed up for a body. I'm in, I'm,
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I'm, I'm someone. Yeah. So, and then, um,
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yeah, so had a, um, competition in the cage
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first time and it's for charity, right?
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For charity, police officers and firefighters
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and ideal situation was they fight each other.
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Yeah. Right. However, there's not a ton of
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them. that fight, especially at the same
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skill and weight class and experience. So
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they've ventured outside to find great people
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to participate in matches to raise money
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for charity, which is Yeah, it was an awesome
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event.
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Great turnout. Great. competition asked by
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a lot of community. So, you know, it was
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definitely a real match. Yeah. It was against
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a real skilled opponent and, but we had a
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lot of fun with it too.
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So it was a great experience. Some of our,
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some of our members, even, uh, well, I know
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one of our kids students went there to watch
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you, uh, which is to Mark. Yeah. Which is
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cool to. To put on display, let the kids
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see like how you step up outside of your
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comfort zone.
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Yeah. Yeah. Lennon was great. Um, she high
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five me before and after. And one of the
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things that a lot of. athletes are afraid
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of is, is that fear of failure. And when
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you get through that obstacle in your own
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mind, you know, no one is upset. No one's
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disappointed in you. Everyone's just proud
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that you went out there in the first place.
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And it's so funny. That's not funny, but
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How much, how often do you lose in a night
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of training? It's all the time. Like literally
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in an hour of training, you lose whether
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it's a tap out or it's like you lost position
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or you went for a move and it didn't work.
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But then when you do it on display and it's
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in a cage in front of other people that are
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kind of even half-ass watching, right? It's
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like a totally different experience.
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Yeah, it's different. Walking into that cage,
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I walked in and I looked around and I said,
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this is real. This is different. And it was
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exciting.
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It was for sure. It definitely went better
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than one of my first cage grappling matches
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where I went up against a 300 plus pound
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guy without a shirt on. Oh man. I have a
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video of it, man. I was in deep half under
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the guy, no shirt on. And he was just laying
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on top of me like doing the splits and deep
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half. And I literally remember having to
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move skin away from my face. So I hope I'm
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not dissuading anyone from training. I will
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find the photo. I have the photo of it somewhere.
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You just got to do some research and like
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Scott Houston in one corner. Um, and Friedland
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in the other Scott was just watching, but
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he was like coaching me. And I just remember
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like none, neither of them knew how to coach
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me out of the situation. Cause it was just
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so big. They're like, try to move. Yeah.
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But like you go against someone like that,
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and you're like, you know, slap hands, bump
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fists. You're like, Oh, I can't get gi grips.
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Do I go for a takedown? Because I'm going
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to turn out like a pancake.
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Yeah, there's just like so much mental jiu
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jitsu happening, like physical, physical
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jiu jitsu before. Yeah.
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Yeah. Cool, man. Well, I I think that's really,
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really fitting subject that you stepped outside
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your comfort zone because today we want to
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talk about personal growth, mindset, fixed
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mindset, growth mindset. But let's start
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out. What is mind? What is, what is a mindset?
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Yeah, it's, it's how you approach for, for
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mindset. For me, it's how you approach your
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everyday life and different aspects of your
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life. A lot of people think personal development
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is a lot of like rah, rah, everything is
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positive. Yeah. But, but personal development
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and mindset is really about how you check
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in with yourself and how you approach obstacles
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in your life. And as we talk about mindset,
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we'll talk about the different mindsets that
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someone can have. Yeah. Um, the big two are
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like growth mindset and then fixed mindset.
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So it's really good to like define those
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and then, you know, build some strategies
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around that. So we'll probably discuss all
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of that in great length.
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One of the best definitions of mindset, and
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I think we mentioned it even on the podcast
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I did with one of my coaches, Mark England,
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it's. The story about yourself that you tell
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yourself. Right. Right. And it comes down
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to communication. And that story, just like
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any other story, the words you say are important.
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How you say those words are important, like
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the tonality of words are important. The
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cadence of those words are important. So
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I always like circling back to, we talk about
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a fixed mindset or a growth mindset. What
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does that story in their head look like in
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each of those situations?
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What does it look like? What does it feel
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like? What does it sound like? And those
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are like the big things. And speaking on
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that, and I think Mark talked about is thoughts
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become words, words become actions, actions
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become habits, habits become like your destiny,
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right? So like, where can you start making
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some of those small shifts, and you can start
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making those small shifts in your thought
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patterns, and eventually turns into that,
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you know, you say destiny, but it's, it's
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also that identity change, right?
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Correct, right, where at some point in time,
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You started off as someone that started jiu-jitsu
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and then you built the habit of doing jiu-jitsu
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and then you got into coaching. But at some
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point in time, like you became a coach. At
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some point in time, you became a person that
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does jiu-jitsu. Like there's no question
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about it. You don't think about it. It's
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part of me. It's something I do. Correct.
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The reps. A lot of reps. That is it. So let's
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talk about the hoo-rah-rah.
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About personal development. Yeah. So, and
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this we've had, me and you have had really
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some great experiences and some of the coaching
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groups that we're in. Um, I've had a lot
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better of experiences. Maybe you haven't.
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And that kind of led you to getting some
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good people, but there is a, there's a notion
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of this personal development that we're all
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sitting in a room. We're all drinking the
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Kool-Aid it's like a cult and all of it is
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thinking about like positivity. Yeah. And
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in what real personal development looks like.
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And I, I like to use a story is imagine you
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have a garden, right? And this is goes into
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mindset as well. You have a garden and you
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start to see weeds pop up. A lot of people
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that think about personal development is
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those weeds pop up and you're like, that's
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OK. That's supposed to happen. It's all right.
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It's going to fix itself. Personal development
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and an effective manner is I have weeds in
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my garden. that's a problem and I need to
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create some action. I need to get rid of
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those weeds. And so- You need to decide and
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do. Decide and do, right? So, and this fitting,
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this is one of my favorite sweatshirts, by
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the way, Perry got this for me at one of
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our events.
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You know, I wore my Average Sucks one last
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night.
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I love it.
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I probably wear it to bed every night. Fun
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fact, do your pockets connect in it? They
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don't.
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I know. That's so cool. Then I don't have
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to have the big kangaroo pouch. I know, tangent.
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I don't lose my stuff. Cool sweatshirt. But
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yeah, so, so, and then there's, then there's
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this, uh, like a counterfeit growth mindset
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where, you know, that there's a problem,
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but you don't have the courage enough to
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like do anything about it. So you're the,
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so that's like a lot, like the victim mentality
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where like, Oh, Why does it have to be me
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that has weeds in the garden?
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When everyone that has a garden has weeds.
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And that victim mentality, it's a bitch.
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It is. Right? It's not something that just,
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you can just get rid of.
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Yeah. And it's easy. It's easy to have it.
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It's fun to have it. It's fun. You get to
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create stories and get attention. You always
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have a story to tell someone.
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Always. Always. So what does a person with
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a, you know, that has gone through personal
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development that has built up skills and
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tools. What what do they do with the garden?
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Yeah, just blowtorch that bitch or what?
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Well, so so that's where like choices come
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in to play and and personal development is,
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is a toolbox. And through that toolbox is
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a bunch of different tools. And some of them
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are effective. It's kind of like you're building
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a house. It's like, could you build a house
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with just a hammer? You could, but it's going
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to take forever and it's probably not going
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to look very pretty. Yeah. So it's. Taking
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all of these tools. And when we're talking
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about mindset, mindset is a tool that is
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utilized, but you also have other tools like
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goal setting and introspection and meditation
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and, you know, gratitude, gratitude, journaling,
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all those things. So it's a collection of
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use, utilizing all of those different tools
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within personal development to, to get to
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where you want to go.
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Yeah.
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Nice. Is torching the garden a good idea?
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I don't know your situation. Yeah. You know,
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I have some ideas, but I've gotten out of
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giving people advice because I don't know
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your life story. Yeah.
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So what are some of the, the tools you use
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on a regular basis?
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So for, for me, I would like to think growth
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mindset is very nuanced today. We're going
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to talk about it in general, but with growth
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mindset, You can have a growth mindset in
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one particular area of your life, but have
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a fixed mindset in a totally different area.
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And one of the examples I use is a lot of
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people that get into jiu-jitsu and they love
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it. They, they start developing a growth
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mindset. They start seeing the results and
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they're like, okay, I can get really good
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at this. But then they're a fixed mindset
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in relationships. So they'll say, I can't
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ever find the right person or I'm always
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getting dumped or there's no good people
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out there anymore. And those are fixed mindset
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beliefs. And it comes down to limited beliefs.
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So you can have a growth mindset in different
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aspects of your life while still maintaining
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fixed mindsets and others. So it's being
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conscious of those and using what I what
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I use is is this the truth. Am I using an
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absolute here? Yeah. And that's like one
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of the biggest, and I use that with other
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people always, never. Yep. So, so that's
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the biggest tool. And then I look at where
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I've been, look at the obstacles that I've
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already overcome. And when it comes to like
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a new challenge, I say, well, I've made it
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through a bunch of other things. Yeah. I
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can make it through this as Yeah. So that's
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probably, those are like my big top growth
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mindset tools.
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It's a, it's a huge tool that I use, you
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know, in our kids' classes, for example,
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right. A kid comes in and it's like, school
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is tough today. Like the whole day, like
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every day of school, like at what moment
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did it become tough? Like it was tough from
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the minute you walked in the door, you know,
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was lunch tough? Was recess tough? Was just,
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was reading tough? Um, you know, a lot of
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times we. Set absolutes and we don't even
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use those absolute setting words. Like I
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always get dumped. School is always hard.
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I think one of the, man, one of the best
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tools that I do, I use is really trying to
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be precise, right? Like what, what exact,
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what exact thing is tough? Man, my Jiu Jitsu
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sucks today. Maybe my side control escapes
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suck, right? It's probably not all of my
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jiu-jitsu. It's probably one specific thing.
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Or maybe it's like, man, I just fucking sucked
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at getting on under hook.
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Yeah. Yeah. That's a crazy concept because
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a lot of people at the Academy were talking
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about cage grappling and a lot of people
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are like, how, how was your match? I said,
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I think it went really great. Yeah. I, I
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had really great control. You're like on
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top the whole time. And then, and then I
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mentioned, I was like the very specific thing
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that happened is I got gassed in the third
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round. And I couldn't posture up anymore
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and he got a triangle. And so like, and it's
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really powerful when you can take an event
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that is universal and then start attaching
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different like meanings to it. And when you
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attach a different meaning of Mark England,
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you get, you get a different emotion. You
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know, and I know Burnoff talks a lot about
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that as well as. You can take an event and
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make it whatever you want.
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And you apply a label to it, right? You can't
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change the event, but you can change the
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label that you put on it. Yep. Pretty cool.
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P.S. One of my, I think it was my first jiu-jitsu
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match ever. One of my first jiu-jitsu matches,
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I lost from a triangle. Similar match, like
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on top the whole time. The guy starts to
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go for a triangle. I was like, man, I know
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a triangle defense. I'm just going to pass
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the guard with this thing. Yeah. And he just
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like slaps it on tap, tap, tap. I'm like
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happens. Never doing that again. Lesson learned.
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It happens. Lesson learned. Was that was
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the biggest thing you learned in your match?
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I learned. I learned that my top game matters.
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Yeah. Um, previously to, to that event, I
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used to play a lot of bottom open guard and
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just kind of like work through without any
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game plan that I went into the match. I said,
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Hey, I'm going to try to get a takedown and
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I'm going to establish top position. Yep.
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So I, so I learned that works.
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Hey, get on top, stay on top, right? Like
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fundamental beliefs, the goal in jiu-jitsu.
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Do you need a sick ass bottom game in jiu-jitsu
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for sure? Because you're not going to start
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on top of everyone.
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Yeah. So, so my game, I had a game plan.
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So I learned that having some sort of conceptual
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game plan works a lot better than just going
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to a match. Hoping for the best. Yeah. So,
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so I learned that and then I just learned
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that, Hey, I do need to work on a little
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bit more of my strength and cardio. Cause
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I'm, I'm a runner. I have the rucksack, but
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I need to do strength as well as like cardio
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and find some balance between those two.
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Yeah, I know a good strength training gym.
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Yeah, I know. I know you got one. For those
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of you that don't know our podcast crew owns
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one of the runs one of the sickest gyms in
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Milwaukee social candy. So yeah, it's a secret.
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It is secret. It's a secret that if you're
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interested, I know someone. I know someone
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that knows someone. Uh, so man, fixed mindset,
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growth mindset. A lot of people aren't gonna,
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gonna know this is becoming more and more
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popular, right? Uh, let's talk about that.
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Yeah. So what's the difference? How do you
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get there? How do you get out of there? How
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do you shift?
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So, so growth mindset is like one of those
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key terms that you kind of hear a lot of,
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but I think there is. There's like a common
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knowledge aspect of it, but let's like define
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fixed mindset. Fixed mindset is the belief
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that everything is set in stone, that your
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beliefs, your values, your actions, who you
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are as a person, your environment, all these
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different aspects of your life are set in
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stone. They're never going to change. You
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just who you are, you are who you are and
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there's nothing that can change about it.
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Man. So. It's like the opposite of extreme
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ownership, right? It's like the lack of ownership.
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Correct. You know, you're just going to let
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life happen to you. That doesn't sound fun.
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No, it doesn't sound fun, but when we talk
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about stories, they tell a very attention
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oriented story. Yeah. And it's true. And
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they're exciting. Tell me more. Tell me more
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about all the suffering and all the pain
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and everything that hasn't gone your way
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because people are empathetic and they're
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caring and they're kind and we want to listen
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and we want to help. Dude.
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And then the worst is when you have two people
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that like battle at whose story is the worst.
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First one to the bottom. What a terrible
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race. Yeah. So, so the, the thing with the
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fixed mindset, like, and if you have a fixed
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mindset or if you're trying to help someone
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with a, with a fixed mindset, the first thing
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you have to do is just like validate. I think,
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I think it's important to say, Hey, I S I
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see you. Yeah. I hear you. Everything that's
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happening. Probably the worst thing that's
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ever happened to you. And then getting them
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to think logically and ask those questions.
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Is it always this way? Yeah. Or is, you know,
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are you never satisfied? And then go emotional
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with it. And then one of the strategies that
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I use with that logical and emotional, I
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say, well, well, tell me like a contrasting
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statement. Like if you're feeling down, well,
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tell me like a time where you felt happy.
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Hmm. And then you'll get a story from that.
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And you'll ask like, well, are you doing
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those things anymore? Do you still have access
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to that part of your life? And then slowly
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giving them the affirmation that they are
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great, that they do have potential, that
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they do have these wins and celebrate and
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collect those wins over time.
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Yeah. I mean, I found similar that you, you
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often just need to open up people to the
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idea that it could be different. It's like
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a new idea. Right? Where they get so good
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at telling their victim's story that you
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need to find an out, help them with an out
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to tell a new story.
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Yeah. And then I think vulnerability is a
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big part of it too. It's, we've all been
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there. We've all said things that, you know,
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was a limited belief. And I think opening
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up yourself to someone else and say, Hey,
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like, I don't know what you're exactly going
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through, but, but I've been somewhere similar
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and here's what I did. And one of the biggest
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things that I ask is I ask if they are open
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for an alternative. Are you open to a different
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perspective on this? Do you, and then the
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three H's, do you want, do you want help?
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Do you want to be heard or do you need a
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hug? You know, and I think that we always
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go into this problem solving mindset when
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we're trying to help someone else. But I
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think a lot of the times we have to be open
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to just them venting about it and then asking,
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Hey, do you want to change?
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Yeah, man. And I feel like we often end up,
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I shouldn't even say we, some people often
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end up on either spectrum, right? So someone
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tells you their, their story, their victim
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mindset story. One of two things happens
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that don't result in good things in either
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direction. Number one is you try to fix it
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right away and you get hard resistance because
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they're not open to fixing it. You have to
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remember that people love the story that
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they're telling and they're damn good at
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it. The other side, and question for you
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on this, trauma bonding. Are you familiar
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with that? I am like, someone tells you that
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story, you actually bond over that trauma,
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and you kind of feed into that story. Yeah,
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that's oftentimes where you get the two fixed
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mindsets in the room, they start like, whose
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story is worse? And our best friends because
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we have a terrible story. Like, how do you
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like neither of those end up being a good
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result? Right? How do you stay towards that
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middle? How do you detach from the trauma
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bond but also show empathy? How do you help
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them without being pushed away?
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That's a great question. My answer for that
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is their problem is their problem. A lot
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of times we get so emotionally invested that
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trauma bond, like, Oh yeah, I've gone through
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something horrible too. And right now in
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this moment, it's not about you anymore.
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It's about helping that other person in whatever
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regards that means. So the biggest tip for
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helping someone is communicating for them.
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Yeah, because, man, I feel like sometimes
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when you try to show empathy with someone
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or sympathy, two different things, but you
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know, someone tells you that story, you want
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to share a moment in your life that was like,
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just to just to show that, like, I get you,
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right. So I share a story around the same
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lines that happened to me that shows I get
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you. That doesn't necessarily serve the conversation,
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right? You don't need to do something. You
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don't need to have that trauma bond to show
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empathy or sympathy. That is correct. I agree.
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Um, it's hard to be mindful of that. Yeah,
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I agree. I feel like it's one of those things
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you just need reps and reps.
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And it definitely can be a trap. Um, being
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conscious of it and putting yourself in,
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in their position doesn't always necessarily
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mean you need to tell your story for that
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for them to like, understand. I think most
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people will, we're all humans and we all
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have these events in our lives. And when
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you can kind of disassociate from like what
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they're going through, you have, it's like
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watching a movie.
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Yeah.
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Like you're watching the thing unfold as
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you're watching a movie and you can change
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the script and you can, you know, focus on
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something else and look at it from a totally
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different perspective versus that person
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actually being in it. You can kind of see
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some different angles.
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And it reminds me of, it's like an NLP hypnotist
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thing. I've read totally about this one,
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the movie. Um, probably not. Probably, probably
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not. So, uh, man, like if you have a big,
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if you have a picture in your head, like
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if you're a visual person and you see something
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that's happened to you as a, like a picture,
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like a hypnotist, hypnotic therapy way to
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do it is to picture yourself in a movie theater,
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watching the movie. Right, so you're not
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in the movie, but you're watching yourself
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in the movie, which is like one removal of
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like detachment. Got it and What you can
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do it's wild. I've done this before You can
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change the movie like you can slow it down.
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You can make it black and white Whatever
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it might be to reduce the intensity of it.
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Like you can like take your glasses off and
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make a little bluttery Right, so you reduce
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the intensity then you can detach more so
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pretend you're in Um, by the projector, watching
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yourself, watching the movie. Right. And
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you could keep detaching like that to reduce
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the impact that that visualization makes
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on you. It's like, it's just a super, super
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weird thing.
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Yeah. One of the, I have a tool that's similar
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to that, especially when kids are saying
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like, I can't do something or, or no one
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likes me. Um, I make them say it in a Mickey
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mouse voice. Yeah. And it makes it like sound
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really silly and it messes up that pattern
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where they, they had that attachment where
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they're sad when they say no one likes me.
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And that's, that's a great one for auditory,
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right? A lot of times when we, when we have
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these. These struggles that we're having,
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these road bumps, these fixed mindsets, they
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show up differently for different people,
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right? Some people see it visually. They
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paint the picture in their head. They see
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the movie play out in their head, right?
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It might be a thing that you say to yourself,
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I'm not good enough. I can't do this. Nobody
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likes me, right? That's not a movie. You
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don't necessarily see that as a picture unless
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you do see that as a picture. But a lot of
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people, that's words in their head. So how
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do you change those words in their head?
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Well, say it twice as slow. Say it with a
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different tone. Say it backwards, whatever
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it might be. Then kinesthetic people, try
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to move where you feel it. If you feel something
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and you feel it in your chest, try to move
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it to your shoulder. It's just so weird that
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don't knock it unless you try it because
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it may give you a 1% advantage. This is something
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that we talk about as part of our core values
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at Utopia. If it works, it made you better.
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If it didn't work, you're in the exact spot
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that you were before. Give it a shot. It's
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like a multivitamin, right? I take a multivitamin
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every morning. I don't know if it actually
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helps, but it might.
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Might. No harm. Right. Awesome. So I think,
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I think we covered fixed. Yeah.
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I think we got that. And, and slightly like
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how to shift people out of it. Yeah. So what
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is a growth mindset though?
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Most people. when they are born and I'm rolling
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out like cognitive or neurological or like
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physical limitations, but, uh, their baby.
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And then they, uh, they observe their environment
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and they are starting to see people move
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around and they're like, I want to do They
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start crawling. They don't know what crawling
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is. There's no seminar. There's no three
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day, you know, workshop. There's no instructional
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on that. And then they start saying like
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people, I want to walk. Yeah. So they stand
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up, start walking, trying to start walking.
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They fall down, you know, and then they,
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they keep going and they keep trying and
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they keep trying. And never once has a baby
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like, I don't want to do this anymore. I
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think I'm just going to stick to crawling.
25:52.708 --> 25:56.649
So instinctually we have adopted a growth
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mindset. as a child and around four to seven
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years old is when we start getting these
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outside influences where we can't do something.
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Stop doing that. You're not allowed to do
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that. Oh, you can't do that. And then they
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started like our family. Yeah. All right.
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Don't do that. Yeah. And then they maybe
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that was the intention was pure. as usual,
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but then they start saying to themselves,
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well, if I can't do that, I might not be
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able to do this. And I can't do that. And
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I can't do this and I can't do this. And
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they start telling themselves that over time.
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And then they shift to a fixed mindset.
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Man, I, I remember as a kid, like, you know,
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um, the fitness tests in school, Right. Where
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you got to go up there. We got to do a pull
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up. There's like two pull up bars in class.
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So everyone's watching you. Right. So you
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go up there, you go do a pull up and you
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can't do one. And I instantly was like, man,
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I can't do a pull up. And then the teacher's
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like, you could do a flexed arm. You can't
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do a pull up. You could do a flexed arm hang
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instead. It's like, I can't do a pull up.
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Like, thanks for the label. Yeah. Thanks.
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So, so everyone minus disabilities or, you
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know, all those, Ever there, they're developed
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instinctually with a growth mindset. So what
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do we do when we have a child that has that?
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We have a student athlete who is just a growth
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mindset kid. They are one already. They are
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one already. Okay. So how do, like, how do
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we still build that? Because if we're just
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paying attention to all the fixed mindset
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people in the world, those growth mindset
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people, they won't continue to grow because
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they don't have the challenge. Yeah. And
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that's the biggest thing for growth mindset
27:49.157 --> 27:51.839
individuals is they need a challenge and
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they still need a little bit of affirmation.
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They still need like to be acknowledged for
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like the hard work that they're putting in.
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Yeah. but those kids really need the challenge
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to push them further out of their comfort
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zone or they'll get bored. So, and then for
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adults as well, if you are a growth mindset,
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like a true growth mindset across the board
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and finances and your business and your relationships.
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Like what can you do to step further out
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of that comfort zone? Maybe you take a cage
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grappling match. Maybe you hike. Maybe you
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do something that you've wanted to do, but
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something for whatever reason has kind of
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prevented you up to that point and do that
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thing and just keep adding to that resume
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of all those things that you've accomplished.
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David, David Goggins talks about the cookie
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jar and that's more for like the people that
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are struggling with fixed mindset. But man,
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look at that cookie jar. When you're a growth
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mindset, you're like, I need to add something
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more. I need to go above and beyond. I need
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to go to the boats. I got to who's going
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to carry them, you know? So, um, I think
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that's a really good strategy for growth
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mindset. People is what else can you accomplish?
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Yeah.
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Do you, so do you think it's more important
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for adults to have a growth mindset or kids
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or both? And do you see like a relationship
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in it? Like, you know, if a kid has a fixed
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mindset, you can oftentimes look at that
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parent is like, Oh, that parent has a fixed
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mindset as well.
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You could, you could definitely see like
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correlations with that. I think both need
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to have. and adopt a growth mindset for different
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reasons. One, kids are more malleable. Yeah.
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So if you can get them in and out of fixed
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mindset and growth mindset, just the situation
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based. If that kid stays a fixed mindset
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kid, they're going to grow up into a fixed
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mindset adult, unless there's some extreme
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intervention. Maybe they, maybe they have
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that friend that doesn't give up on them.
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And this says, Hey, like they have an event
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and they slap a great label on it. Yeah.
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So like, Hey, like, You can do something
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about this. A lot of, a lot of people that
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with that fixed mindset, they do believe
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that there's no hope that nothing's going
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to change. So I would say, I would say it's
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important for both one for parents and adults
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to adopt it because that's what the kids
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are looking up to. Hmm. That's what the kids
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see and they're trying to model. So when
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you're using growth mindset language, a lot
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of that trickles down to the kids, you know,
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and like teachers and, and parents and coaches
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like that, that's who they're spending their
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time with a lot. And then developing friend
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groups within those communities, having that
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support that's positive versus having the
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friends that you can just get that are usually
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the troublemakers and.
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Man, and for adults, it's, it's being congruent
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with it as well, right? You can talk growth
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mindset all day. But if you're not showing
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that growth mindset, like yourself jumping
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into a cage in front of your students, like,
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that's speaks way more volumes than talking
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about growth mindset. Like, hey, guys, you
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should go compete. It's great for you. You
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stepped up and you went and you did it. Yeah.
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I will tell you the only reason why I compete
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is because we talk about competing. Yeah.
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I, I, I love the art of jiu-jitsu. I love
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coaching jiu-jitsu. I don't compete for me.
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I compete just to show up and show the kids
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that, Hey, like. If I can do this, you guys,
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you don't need to do it for yourself. Yeah.
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I don't need to do it for myself. You know,
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I'm, I'm happy with where I'm at with my
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jiu-jitsu, with, with my life competition
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adds another element to it. And I use it
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as a skills check, you know? So, and then
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I, I use those competitions and those grappling
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matches as a segue to like, Hey, I know I
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talk about this and I talk about the importance
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of competing. Watch me do it.
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Do you think a fixed mindset is ever beneficial
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to be able to like turn one on, whether it's
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like a high pressure situation, wherever,
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where you just need to focus on stability
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and like, I just, all I need to do is stay
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here. I'm good to go where, where I'm at
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right now. I shouldn't focus on growth.
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I think we're like a piece of armor. I think
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that fixed mindset and And being content,
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I think are two different things. Okay. Yeah.
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I, I think being fixed is I can't do anything
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about it. Being content is I don't need to
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do anything.
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Yeah. I don't need to be in growth mode right
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now.
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I don't, I don't, I don't need to, to, you
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know, focus on my business as much. I need
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to focus on my family more. I don't need
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to focus on getting more money. I need to
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focus on my health more. So with, with that,
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I would say there's aspects of your life
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that I bet you're probably content on. And
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I wouldn't necessarily say you're a fixed
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mindset in that. I think you're just, I think
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you're okay with where you're at, but I also
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would, would recommend looking at the areas
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that you maybe have neglected or need some
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improvement on and see where your mindset
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is in there and see if it is a growth mindset
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or a fixed mindset.
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Let's talk about participation trophies,
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participation awards. We're very, so we use
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them at our academy when we do our in-house
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tournament. We're very select with it for
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certain age groups.
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It is a strategic participation trophy. Not
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everyone gets them. We view at a young age,
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if you compete, you show up and you perform.
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And I think it's only for our five-year-olds,
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which is five and under, five and under.
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If you compete, you showed up and you performed
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and you did your match, regardless of if
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you won or lost, you showed up and you, you
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won.
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They're young enough that awarding them with
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a participation trophy encourages a growth
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mindset for that developmental stage for
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the kids. Yeah. What happens when you start
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giving them to everyone?
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I personally think when you hand out participation
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trophies to everyone, I think the kids that
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get them feel worse because they know that
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part of them feels like they don't deserve
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it. You got that medal for last place. And
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then I think on the opposite side of that
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with those high performers, they're like,
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well, it doesn't matter if I try my best,
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I'm still going to get a trophy. Yeah. I
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don't have to work that hard. I don't have
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to work that hard. And then that does not
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play out well in the real world when you're
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in a competitive job market or trying to
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get into a competitive school or. ain't x,
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y, and z trying to find your spouse. Yeah,
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you know, all those things that that translate
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to parts of those, you know, early childhood
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development areas in your life.
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Man, it makes me think of one of my I had
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a huge breakthrough a couple years ago on
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limiting beliefs. And we know limiting we
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talk limiting beliefs create a fixed mindset,
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right? You know, one of my old ones that
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used to trickle through my head, and it still
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pops up, they always do. Uh, you know, I'm
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not good enough. Obvious one. I feel like
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a lot of people have that one. We recognize
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that that is one. Um, the other one that
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hit me like a 80 pound bag of bricks was.
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I'm already doing well, or like, I am good
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at this. Right. Which is interesting because
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a lot of people have to have the limiting
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belief of like, I can't do this. But another
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deadly one, it's a hidden one, is I am good
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at this. Because the second you say, I'm
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good at this, it gives you a out from needing
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to become better. And I feel like participation
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trophies are, it's kind of like giving myself
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a participation trophy. Like, hey, I'm giving
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myself a trophy, I'm good. But I'm good enough
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that I don't need that first place one. Yeah.
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Right. All I gotta do is go out there and
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do it. I'll get a trophy no matter what.
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Why work harder? Good is the enemy of great.
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Quotes.
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I love them. Quotes. One-liners. Well, what
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else do we have for, for mindset?
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I think, I think we covered, I think we defined
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them really well. I think we gave some really
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good strategies. I think in order to understand
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and try to help other people. I think it's
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really important to, to do some self-reflection
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on like the areas where you may be having
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those limited beliefs, where you think you're
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doing really great in the growth. And I think
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a lot of that just comes back to like, where,
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where am I at? Where, where am I on my journey
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through life? Where have I had some challenges.
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And I think having that holistic approach
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helps you grow and it helps like other people
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around you. I think, I think the biggest
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thing for people is if you want to be a,
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like a person of influence or you want to
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be a leader, you want to rise above is, is
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doing the things that you want to do. Because
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when you start doing those things, everyone
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around you starts seeing it. And there's
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a lot of people that like get into jiu-jitsu
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or, you know, they see how we interact with
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the kids and they're like, I want to be a
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part of that. I want to become a coach. I
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want to start attending classes. And we didn't
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tell them to do it. Yeah. We just showed
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up and we showed up as influences. And, you
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know, the crazy thing about being in leadership
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is never once do I hear you say, I'm the
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leader. I'm the person of influence. I'm
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there. I'm the guy. It's just, you just keep
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showing up and, and. And improving every
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day and you're improving yourself. And that
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trickles down to the people that are watching
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and they're like, I can do something as well.
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You know, John says it right. Like when you're
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that you have a microphone. know, whether
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it's when you have a black belt, you're in
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front of a group of people, you're around
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people that look up to you that were even
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maybe that they don't even look up to you,
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right? They look laterally at you. You still
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have people looking at you and you still
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have a microphone and know your words, your
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actions, your thoughts matter. Yeah, for
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sure. Man, I had something else.
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I don't know that happens. I don't know.
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I
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Uh, what else, man?
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I think I, I think I, I got, I got notes,
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got your notes, but I think I covered it
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all. Yeah. No, it's talking about flowers
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and babies and yeah. Are they open to different
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perspectives, man?
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Do you think Mark martial arts cultivates
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a growth mindset better than other sports
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activities? We often talk about why we think
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martial arts is like, uniquely positioned
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outside of just athletic development, especially
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our program.
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And viewers and listeners, he didn't say
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better. We said we're unique and different.
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Yeah. And I think that's important because,
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and I think we we've touched on it before
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a lot of other sports and activities. They,
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they miss some of the marks and say, I like
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football, for example, because I played football.
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I played football, wrestled all the sports.
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And what if you have that kid that really
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just loves football, but he's just not, he's
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not athletically, he's not physically there
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yet, but he's intellectually, he's emotionally,
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and he's socially there. That was me. I love
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football.
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I wasn't fast enough to play any sort of
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running position. And I wasn't big enough
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to play on the line. So I played on the line
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because who's going to give the slow guy
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the ball. Yeah. I could cause less damage
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on the line. Right.
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Yeah. So like looking at that, it's, it's
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like, what are you doing to that particular
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individual? Yeah. You know, maybe they're
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physically there, but they're not socially
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there. Maybe they're like a rock star, but
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they just don't have the social skills and
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what our Academy and what martial arts does
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is it incorporates all of that. It's an individual
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journey. We're part of a team as, as in like
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we train as a team, but everyone is like,
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we're all on the same road. Some people are
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just walking a little bit faster. And some
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people, they think of this ascending staircase
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where people are like trying to climb over
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each other. And it's like the bottoms are
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at the bottom, but it's just a, it's a straight
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road. And we're all just like, might not
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feel like it sometimes. No, that's another
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podcast. And so when we look at kids and
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we look at adults similar as well, we're
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just big kids that grew up and I think martial
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arts just does a great job of setting the
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realistic expectation that it's not you versus
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anyone else. It's just you versus you. It's
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you versus the version of you yesterday.
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Oh, we try to make it that way, right? Some.
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times we get stuck in that thought pattern
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of everyone else is getting better around
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me, but I'm not getting better. And to your
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point, that's what we need to not be focusing
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on.
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Yeah. And in the case that because we have
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some members, they're like, Oh man, he like,
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they're getting so, so much better at the
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same time.
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And he got my blue belt before me.
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Yeah. And we have that. What are you doing
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about it?
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Yeah.
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You know, like, And you talk about this often.
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There's like this unwritten rule about not
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asking about stripes and belts and all that.
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Um, but you've been highly approachable,
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but still, well, not a lot of people do.
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So, so we have transparency around ranking
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belts.
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It's one of those things like, uh, like how
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truthful do you want me to be? Yeah. Like,
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well, if you're going to, if you want to
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ask about your rank, you like, you better
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be ready for truth about it. I'm not gonna
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be mean about it, but I I'll give you the
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truth.
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Yeah. And then it's, it's about, well, how,
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how often are you training? What are you
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particularly working on? You know, like they're
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all the new focus span. Yeah. How consistent
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are you? Yeah. And then I've noticed a lot,
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a lot of it happens to do with on the mat
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leadership. Like how do you show up in class?
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Are you trying to destroy everyone or are
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you just letting like people work? Yeah.
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Are you, are you facilitating other people's
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growth at the same time you're growing? So
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there's like a lot of nuance.
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Like, are you trying to learn when you're
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at class or are you just trying to win? Yeah.
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Or are you just trying to wreck people? Or
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are you just totally out of it that day?
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Or consistently? Yeah. Going through the
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motions sort of a thing versus trying to
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work on something. Having intent behind your
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training. Right? You know, we started off
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with the definition of mindset are the stories
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about yourself that you tell yourself, right?
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And your words matter, your tone, everything
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matters, right? So does your approach to
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training, right? Your intent behind it, your
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intent behind the words in your head. It's
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all connected. Communication is one of the
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best spots to start with any challenge that
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you have. Firm believer and it's not just
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external communication. Oftentimes. It's
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how do you communicate with yourself? Which
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leads to? Your mindset. Yeah I did a really
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cool exercise once at a personal development
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meetup group Mastermind of business owners
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where we all brought one problem that we
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have Right. So give me a fictitious problem
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I'm overweight. Cool. I think you have a
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communication issue. And then you would start
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with that. And you have to be like, OK, why
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is it a communication issue? Well, some sort
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of story that you're telling yourself in
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your head of why you're overweight. Like,
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are you overweight? Are you overweight and
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you just can't ever get any leaner? I just
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like starting there. Yes, your overweightness
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might be a genetic abnormality, 1000% caused
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by things outside of your physical ownership
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and control. But you can change the story
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that you tell yourself to change your mindset
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on it. Right. So next time you have a problem,
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tell yourself, I think I have a communication
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issue. Love it. Cool. Anything else before
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we do our rapid fire questions?
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No, I'm ready.
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So rapid fire questions, uh, unofficially
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sponsored by element.
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I'm going to drink mine too.
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When I say unofficially sponsored, I mean,
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did they not, not sponsor me at all, but
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I drink a lot of this. Not a lot like that.
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I'm consuming too much sodium, but it is
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one of our favorite things from all of our
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hard training jiu-jitsu athletes at our Academy.
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Yeah. Delicious.
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And I appreciate them for sending me really
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cool stuff all the time. They do. Thank you.
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So rapid fire question number one.
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Okay.
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What's one habit that changed your life?
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Doing jiu-jitsu.
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What got you to do jiu-jitsu?
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I was like, how'd you start that habit? So,
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so I, I'm a Jiu Jitsu guy. No, no. I'm, it
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was a series of small steps for sure. I moved
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back to the Wisconsin area, lived in Grafton.
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Neutral ground was there. I did two weeks.
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Who brought you in? Anyone? You just showed
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up.
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I just, I just Googled it. Heard about Jiu
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Jitsu. Yeah. I heard about it. Let's go try
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it out. And then, uh, And then I was like,
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maybe I'll do it. Yeah. And then one day
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I said, nah, I need to do this.
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And little did you know that it would turn
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into a career path.
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That's crazy. Yeah. So yeah. Jiu jitsu was
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probably the best habit that, that I sent
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me on this trajectory and I wouldn't be sitting
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here.
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If I put you on what Jocko calls the path,
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the path. Love it.
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Cool. You want to do all yours or do you
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want to go back and play ping pong? All right.
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If you could swap lives with any cartoon
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character for a day, who would it be and
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why? Cartoon character? Yeah. We can do anime
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superheroes as well.
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I think Roadrunner. Roadrunner. Dude, he's
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fast, clever, super clever, like ducking
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traps all the time. Gets a laugh out of it
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all day, right? Cause he spins those, he
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like reverses and counters those traps on
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Coyote. Just so fast, man. He's got a branded
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relationship with Acme Corp. Yeah. Right.
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So he sponsored athlete. Roadrunner. I love
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it.
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I love that answer.
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What's your answer over there?
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I don't from rocket power to rocket power.
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We can do, we can do, we can do, we can do
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that. I missed that show. Mine would be the
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Hulk. Obviously.
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Okay. Question number two.
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Why the Hulk? That's actually on my list.
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Really? It's actually question number six.
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Why the Hulk? It's a rapid fire.
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That's not a cartoon character. That's a
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superhero. Yeah, but he has a cartoon.
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Continues. Live action. So, so the whole,
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I have a really interesting relationship
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with him as a kid. Not him. Okay.
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Well, Mark Ruffalo or Eastern Wisconsin.
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Cut that out. No, the comic book. So Lou
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Ferrigno, he was the original Hulk, the TV
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series. And we didn't have a lot of channels,
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but we had a channel that had the incredible
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Hulk. And when I was a little kid, I would
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try to rip my shirts off to the point where
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I wasn't allowed to wear shirts in the house
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anymore because I would just rip them up.
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And I just was really fascinated at a young
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age. You just ripped up all your shirts in
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the house? Yeah. I wasn't strong enough yet,
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so I would just stretch them. Cut it? I would
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cut it a little bit. Yeah, I stretched the
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first couple, but I would snip them and then
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I would just rip them. I'm like, yo. Would
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you make sure you had an audience or you
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just do it in the mirror? I would just do
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it by myself in my room. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
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And then like, I just kind of grew like super
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strong. Yeah. And then like, as I got older,
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I appreciated the scientific part of Bruce
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Banner as well.
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And that he was a scientist. Do you know
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the science behind the Hulk is not set pseudoscience.
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No, it's like real like stuff. It's like
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gamma radiation. OK. Yeah, I don't know,
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like what kind of you just shot with radiation.
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It was really cool. But yeah, he's always
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been been like my go to guy. Cool. So you
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inspire you. Yeah. And when they did the
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MCU spoiler alert, there's a smart Hulk and
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kind of combined like the strength with the
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smarts. And finally, like it's like an internal
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battle and red Hawks coming out soon. I know.
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I'm so excited. And we'll see how that one
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is. Marvel's been, it has some ups and downs
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lately here.
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We're going to have to talk about that. All
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right, here we go. What's a piece of advice
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you've ignored, but later realized was true.
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Uh, my mom would always tell me that I was
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burning the candle at both ends. Well, she
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wouldn't tell me that I was but she'd like,
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make sure you don't burn the candle at both
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ends. Right? Man, and the older I get, the
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more I'm just like, I need recovery time.
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Like I, I can work hard. I, I can burn the
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candle at both ends, but like, man, rest,
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recovery, sleep, having a day off, having
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time for free time. Yeah. Is, is incredibly
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important. I need to prioritize that cover
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next. What's a mindset struggle that you've
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personally overcome? Do you ever get stuck
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in like a loop at some point in time in your
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life where like, man, you get stuck in one
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of those victim mentalities, negative thought
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patterns, squirrel story.
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Yeah. I, I have a very dynamic blended family.
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that I made some very at the time decisions
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that have have impacted the rest of my life.
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And oftentimes before I started really developing
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some other strategies, I would I would say
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that I was a bad dad. Hmm. And what I had
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to and still do is I take every opportunity
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to make sure that my kids know that they
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matter, regardless of like how far away or
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if I'm like on a trip and I make drastic
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measures to make sure that they feel supported.
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Um, and that means long car rides. That means
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last minute cancellations with stuff at work
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and other commitments to make sure, like
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I go to the football game or I go to the
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musical or I do the thing. And, and so I've
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given myself grace that I've grown over the
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last 10 years in that, um, that no matter
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what, no matter where I'm at, no matter what
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I'm doing, that my kids know that their,
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their dad loves them.
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I love that, man. And I hope, you know, I
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know when I kid someday that I'll be the
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same way. I was actually just listening to
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Jocko did a podcast with his daughter on
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it. And he said something similar of, if
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you have the opportunity to take your kids
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out of school for a day, or to just like
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blow off an entire day and do something with
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them. He's like, do it because those will
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create the memories.
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Those moments, magical moments.
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This magic moment.
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My turn.
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Yeah, go.
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What's your go-to mantra when life feels
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overwhelming?
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I've done it before and I can do it again.
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That's like literally that simple. Like I've
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been overwhelmed before and I've got out
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of it before. And overwhelming has never
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crippled me into the corner or anything like
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that. I've always figured it out. So I just
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tell myself, you got it. You've always figured
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it out. Shitty right now, but it's got to
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be shitty before it gets great.
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Yeah. Yeah. I asked coach drew these questions
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yesterday and he gave me goosebumps because
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he said, uh, this too shall pass. And, uh,
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it gave me goosebumps cause that's my mantra
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for sure.
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Uh, I got two more for you. Got it. Uh, number
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one advice for, uh, raising or coaching resilient
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kids.
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Let them fall. still support them, let them
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get back up. Cool. Love it. If you could
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instantly master any skill or hobby, what
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would it be?
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Man. The first thing that came to my mind
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was like jiu-jitsu. And then I was like,
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no, I don't want to like, I don't know. And
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this literally just all this thought just
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came through my head. I don't want to instantly
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master anything. So I think that takes the
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fun away from it. I think the journey to
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mastery is what's actually worthwhile. And
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that might be a corny ass answer. Yeah. So
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I'll say breakdancing. Okay. Because I feel
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like that'd be fucking cool to just be able
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to like, I could just go right there and
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bust out a breakdance. Yeah, I felt the same
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like anything that matters to me. I want
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especially with the time I spent in jiu jitsu,
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trying to master jiu jitsu, whatever that
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may mean, like, I wouldn't want to instantly
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master anything.
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Breakdancing is a good one.
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I was like, just like a backflip, man. I
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just want to be able to bust a backflip whenever
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I go and just know I'm not going to break
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my neck and I'll land on my feet. Yo, yo,
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yo, yo, yo, and do some yo yo tricks. My
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last one, if you weren't coaching, what would
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you be doing? If I wasn't coaching. Not like
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if you never became a coach, but if you weren't
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coaching, what would you be doing? It can
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be, it doesn't even have to be a career path.
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What would you be doing? I could be flying
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a kite down at Bradford beach.
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Yeah. If I wasn't, if I wasn't involved in
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coaching, I would, I probably would not do
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jiu-jitsu as much because jiu-jitsu It's
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hard. I would probably still be like in the
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tech industry. Yeah. Probably sitting at
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a desk being miserable.
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Okay. Oh, so this is like, if you've never
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started Jiu Jitsu, okay. A little bit different
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take than I was thinking, but continue.
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Okay. And then like, if I wasn't coaching
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like all the time.
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Yeah. Like what if you've, you've been a
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coach and then tomorrow you're not coaching,
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like, what are you doing six months from
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now?
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Oh, it's not that. Oh, six months from now.
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I love coaching, so I would probably still
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be coaching, but if I couldn't pick coaching,
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I would probably be playing video games.
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Cool. What video game? Right now is Black
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Ops 6. Just zombies, just rounds and rounds
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of zombies just coming after you. It never
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stops.
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Just do solo or just like online multiplayer?
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You can do all of those. Sometimes you got
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to do a solo though, because sometimes they,
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Those random lobbies hold you back. Yeah.
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You got to revive them a bunch of times.
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I hear you. You got, you got any more? I
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have one more. One more. You are stranded
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on a desert, but, and you can only bring
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three non-survival items. What's in your
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bag.
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I'm in a desert and I can only bring three
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non-survival items. So nothing that's going
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to save my life. Correct. What would be in
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my bag? Yes.
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Uh, my solo, you are solo. You can bring
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Jeremy with you if you want.
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Man, I don't know. Nintendo switch. Okay.
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Solar power charger. No, I'll get one more.
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Uh, the switch has preloaded games. I'm okay.
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I'm like, I'm outsmarting the genie here.
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I'll get it. Um, man. It's a can of element.
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Nice plug.
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Awesome. That's all I got. It's not survival.
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Cause I'm not going to survive off of one,
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but it'll keep me hydrated for a little bit
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longer.
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It'll taste delicious. Oh,
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Slow sips. We'll show that in slow mo.
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Well, man, I appreciate you coming back on
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the podcast. It's always great having you.
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We're gonna make this a regular thing. We
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always have great conversations. Cool.
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Leave us some reviews, some stars, and send
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us questions you guys want us to talk about,
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topics for next time. Yeah. Cool. Appreciate,
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man.