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You've got to pick it up.
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I don't get worse to know it's true.
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Don't say it's the point in time.
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I'm living half a life, bracing myself for something new.
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Alright, people, here we are, another episode, if it be your will podcast coming to you.
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Summer is winding down, thank goodness.
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Uh we're all in reprieve of some of the heat.
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I never thought I would say that I'm missing winter, but I don't mind winter more now than this last summer, because this last summer was horrible.
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And I have a guest here we were just commiserating.
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Natalie Shea is coming in from London, or we'll say North London.
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Um who's an amazing singer-songwriter, indie pop style.
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Um just great tunes.
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I'm really excited to talk about your process, Natalie.
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But we're gonna forget about the heat, we're gonna have Ray Sean Blaston, and we're gonna have a great chat.
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So, Natalie, thanks so much for taking some time to talk a little bit about you and your music and how it started and where it's gonna go.
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Thank you.
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I'm so excited to be here.
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Thank you for having me.
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Oh, it's a real pleasure.
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I've been really getting into your music, uh, you know, we had a couple of dates set and you know, life happens, and so I've been listening to it for a while, which I am happy about.
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So it gives me much more depth in what I want to explore with you.
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But I like to begin with kind of your beginnings of um now I know you've been playing music and started at a super young age, your parents are very musical.
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I heard you started playing guitar at like five or something like that.
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Your first songs at 10, your first performances at 13.
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So this is something that's been a part of you for a long time.
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Do you remember some moments when you were growing up in those young years that were really influential in making you decide well, not decide, but just gravitate towards music the way that you have?
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Yeah, um, so I started playing classical guitar when I was five, and that was like my dad's choice.
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That wasn't because I wanted to play the guitar.
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Everyone in the school learned an instrument, everyone did piano or violin.
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I was the only person that did guitar.
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Um, and then around the same time I started doing musical theatre and I go into a theatre school because I liked sort of performing, but again, it was just sort of musicals, and I I was I wasn't the most confident person there for a lot.
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I was really shy for a long time.
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And then I think I was sort of doing these two things for ages.
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Um I think it was sort of a few a few things that happened within the space of like three years.
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Like I sort of I remember I got Disney Channel and then I saw things like Hannah Montana and Camp Rock.
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So that opened my eyes to like, oh, you can be a songwriter that does things and it's sort of adjacent with musical theatres, which is what I was doing anyway.
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And then I went to see, well, I found Taylor Swift, and then I went and saw her concert, a Speak Now.
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Um, and that birthday my dad got me an acoustic guitar, so I taught myself chords for the first time ever.
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Um, and then I was like, right, let's write songs now that I have this guitar, um, and I'm writing songs, and then that's how it all came about, and now I've yeah, been doing it ever since then.
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Now, when you're looking at Taylor Swift up there on the stage, I mean and being kind of shy at the time, like how did you see yourself like possibly doing that one day, already, you know, kind of feeling like oh I'm a bit you know, a bit more reserved in that?
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How do you break that barrier between yeah, I I I I I don't know, okay, yeah, to yeah, thousands of people in front of you listening to you and what you write about.
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How do you make that that jump?
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For many years I was really scared to talk, but not scared to sing.
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So I could I could be per confident doing the singing and the actual performing, but it was the the minute the song ended, I'd suddenly get a rush.
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That's when the shyness and the anxiety would come.
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But I don't know, I've never really felt shy doing the singing part.
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It was just the sort of getting up there to do the singing.
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But once I was I was always fine.
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I I don't know.
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I think I think it just the confidence came from people telling me I was good a lot, and then I was sort of believed them, and then I went to the Brit school at 14, and I think that was a big deal, like to get into this really good music school, and to I believe that I was good at this thing because everyone said so.
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But then I was still really shy with the talking.
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I actually didn't got didn't get very good at like sort of being a personality on stage till probably maybe like four years ago.
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Like I took me, it took me ages.
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I'd I still was like very confident performer, and and I got more and more confident performing the music, but still in the gaps, I was just like, if I didn't have a script, I would freeze.
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Um, but now I'm not like that.
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Now I can talk.
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And did is this like just something that you practice?
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Like the more you do it, the more you get comfortable with it?
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Um Yeah, I I sort of got thrown into doing a school tour in like 2022, 2023, and I went round like I'd say about 40 to 50 schools, maybe more, and I spoke to thousands of thousands of children, like like I don't know, 200 in an assembly at once, and then do like four of those back to back.
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And it was all this just like talking to kids who didn't even necessarily like music, or maybe they were wanted to misbehave that day and like trying to win them round, and like I got just good at it just by sort of having to read rooms and people and doing that, and that honestly, if I hadn't done that, I probably wouldn't have snapped out of it.
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That really got me out of it.
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Yeah, totally.
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Like you had no choice, really.
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No, we have to.
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You required it.
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Yeah, that was the point.
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I love that idea too, though, that you're you're putting yourself in a situation that you know you're gonna be uncomfortable in just so that you get better at it.
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Yeah.
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That's a real, you know.
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You have to, you have to.
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You can't you can't let you can't let things hold you back, you have to figure out a way around them, I think.
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Totally, totally.
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So when you started playing guitar, did um well, when you started actually strumming guitar, I guess I should say, were did the did songwriting come very shortly thereafter, or was the intent to play guitar so that you could write songs?
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I think it was a bit of everything.
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It was that year where I found Taylor Swift.
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I think I'd started writing some songs without a guitar, they were just sort of songs, but they weren't really sticking because I was just writing these songs without any instruments.
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And then Taylor Swift, and then I was like, right, so I want to be a songwriter.
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So then I was like, oh well the guitar, yeah, I guess the guitar was to give me something to write or to accompany these songs I was writing.
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It was all sort of around that time, and then um and then I yeah, I think lots of people ask me why I didn't do piano and stuff, but I just I don't know.
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I just think guitar was always been my thing, and um, yeah, that's it.
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And did what what comes first with you in your process?
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Is it a lyric that will come to you or a title, or or is it kind of a um a series of chords that you put together and then like how do how do you how does a song become something?
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I sort of write them in all those ways, and a lot of the time I get put in sessions and we're sort of me and two strangers, and we have like four hours to get to know each other and write a song.
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So I do write songs in all different ways.
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Sometimes I get sent like tracks and people want me to write dance vocals on top of them.
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But like the ones that I end up releasing, I say 70% of my releases, especially the newest stuff, especially in the Atmosphere EP, are ones that I wrote in my room on guitar because I had something I wanted to say, so I was like, this is what I want to say.
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Then I'd find some chords and then I'd sort of mumble something to do with the thing I wanted to say, record it, then go back, and then I'd take that to a producer.
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So more that's probably my favourite way and easiest way to write, but because of being an artist, you have to do lots of different things sometimes.
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So yeah, I do lots of different ways, but I think like, yeah, honestly, like the ones I usually release, the ones that come because I really wanted to write something, not because I was like, Today I've been told to write a song, but like these are the ones because I I would need to say something, so yeah.
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Right.
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I'm super curious about this three strangers in a room when you leave with a song, or you yeah, well, I I do that that process when you're an artist or a songwriter, you get put in sessions, and like you can be doing like four a week or more, or like two a day sometimes.
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In Nashville, they do like two a day, in LA they do like two a day.
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And you basically like you'll get put in with usually like one other person or two other people, one's a top liner, one's a producer, and you sort of they're like, Hey, and I'm like, How are we all here?
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I don't know, maybe your publisher and my manager, and they've put us all here, and we find out a little bit about each other, and then we sort of see like what we've both all been through, and we sort of tell each other lots of secrets and try and figure out what we've got in common and our journeys and our characters, and then when we've sort of got something that we're like, okay, we can all sort of find something relatable in that, then you start a song, and sometimes it doesn't always click, but sometimes it really, really clicks, and you come out with like but if the producer's quick enough, he'll get a brilliant demo of of a song you've written in a day, and it's quite wonderful, really, because it's like even I try always finish the song, or like even if I'm never gonna listen to it again, I will always come out at a session with a full song that's my rule.
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So yeah, I probably got like I don't know, over a thousand songs, but I don't play them all.
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Yeah, right, right.
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And when do you know, Nelly, that you're on to something when you know you're in your bedroom or you're in, you know, sessions?
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Like, what's the feeling that you get when you feel like there's some kind of you know, you're catching like lightning in a bottle?
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Like what is that feelings that come out in you?
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Um I think it's it's where like maybe like my management or like people who aren't in the emotional side of my head.
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Because I feel like when I've really got something I wanted to say completely, perfectly encapsulated and written down, and I'm like, oh my god, this this is it, this is how I get over that person, this is how I get over that emotion.
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For me, that's the one that I feel like I'm on to something.
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Whereas maybe other people on my team might be like, oh yeah, but there's a lot of words, it's not the most catchy.
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But I'm like, yeah, but that's that's that's what I needed to say.
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So that needs that's the one I feel the most passionate about, and I think I yeah, like for me, it's always the one that means the most.
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Like, if I have to stand and sing it on the stage, I want to be telling my story, I want to be talking about my story, I want it to everyone to know that's that's me, and that's what I did.
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It's yeah, so for me, it's those ones, yeah.
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I mean, I think it's super brave that you I mean because like listening to your to your music, it is very personal.
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I mean, you really lay your heart on your you know, you wear your heart on your sleeve.
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Is that hard to sometimes bring those to the public just because it's kind of raw still, or there's like do you have to be detached from the song to be able to stand up there and kind of like it's not really me?
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Or like navigate that.
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No, I'm the opposite.
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I love oversharing.
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I love being people tell them, and I think this is a way of oversharing to the masses.
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If I stand, if I if thousands of people hear something I think is like something that's like a secret or an anxiety, if people and then I'm like, she you know, like when a problem is shared, a problem is halved.
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Imagine you can share that problem with like a hundred thousand people.
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Like it's amazing, and then you just feel like, well, that's that's out there now, so now it shouldn't have any power anymore.
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So for me, I love it.
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I really need to do it.
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I actually really love like the more honesty, the better.
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If people can tell they're about them, the better.
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Like, that's that's my thing.
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I'm all about just slipping the song out and being like, oh, it's just something I wrote, but everyone knows it's like who it's about.
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I love that.
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Yeah, yeah, totally.
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And I mean, I imagine too that that vulnerability is empowering in a way because you're finally getting it out.
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Um oftentimes humans tend to keep all these things pushed down for sometimes decades, and eventually it needs to come out.
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So are you finding that the songwriting processes that you go through have that kind of therapeutic cleansing of, or you know, kind of just letting go of certain things?
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Does that scape in that process?
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Yes, yes.
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If I can, if I can get something that's making me sad, if I get the song about it, like the song, I'm like, there you go.
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Like that all of the pain, it just takes it away.
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And I can and I it's almost like thank you, universe, for putting me through that because it was so worth it for this song.
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Because at the end of the day, what actually matters to me is music and the song.
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That's what I'm really here for.
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Like, so I just when I'm going through stuff, I'm like, whatever I'm going through, there's a song at the end of this, and then and that's why it's okay.
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I love that.
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I love that.
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Yeah, and I mean, I I I I what you said before too, that it it it's about me, but other people feel these things, right?
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Like it's not like you're like our feelings are different, right?
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Like humans tend to feel certain things when they get you know, you break up or you get dumped or whatever it might be, right?
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Like these are common threads and you're just putting a voice to it that other people can absolutely.
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I think when I get asked interviews, what do you trying to get?
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What's your biggest like goal as a songwriter?
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I'm like people to relate.
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If I can write something that's about me, but in a way that people can put it to them, that's like then I've done it right.
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That's what I'm trying to do all the time.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, and do you feel like you accomplished that with Atmosphere?
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So this is the release that you put out this this year, eight tracks.
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Yes, eight tracks.
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How are you feeling about Atmosphere?
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Did yeah, are those a good representation of songs that that do what you were just saying?
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I think so.
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I think they're the best.
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It's a really long EP because I was just releasing it over a really long period of time, and I was just like, well, they all need to be on it, so they all ended up.
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I think so.
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I think particularly with my song Problems, I think like like the whole point of that was that anyone that's sort of like me will probably think that's the best song ever, and I think I sort of achieved that.
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And I know those people were like, This you're so like me.
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I'm like, good.
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That's what I was trying to I went into other people.
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It must be amazing to hear about it.
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Yeah, oh absolutely.
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That's what so that that one in particular, but I've had a lot of people say about the other ones like they're relatable, or like, oh, that's their song with their partner, blah blah blah.
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But I think problems on that one is the most specific, like the others are sort of just like you can apply them to things easier.
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But I think I think generally, yeah, it's a relatable EP, but particularly that song I think got what I wanted to do.
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Yeah, it's it's so lovely too.
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Like, I love how your songs are put together.
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And I wanted to ask, like, do you follow like I hate saying formula because it's not a formula, but there's structures definitely that you follow, or t uh I've been seeing in your music.
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It does that ring true to you?
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Like, do your songs tend to follow a similar like your big crescendos are like are just when the chorus, the verses, the chorus comes in, it's just like yes, like it's feeling like they do, they they're all the same, and I'm aware of it, but I'm just like, well, that's what I like, and I love performing them, and I think it works, and that's the songs that I would listen to.
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I mainly listen to songs that follow that formula.
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Like, I think my songs are either like ver like several verses of sort of words, or they're like verse chorus, verse chorus, bridge, down chorus, big chorus at the end, and that's I don't know, I just like that just feels like how that's great.
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That's just how it's like.
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I hope so.
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And I mean a manipulation in a really great way, like you bring us through kind of a journey um with you, absolutely and then it does start making me reflect on my my experience as well, just because you open those doorways up that maybe I hadn't thought about in a while, which I really appreciated.
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I appreciate that.
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Thanks.
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And how did all these songs come together?
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Like you said you released them kind of here and there, and then they all came together in 2026.
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Like how long are these songs over or the course of and and were all of these songs written just by yourself in you in your bedroom?
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Or I can't even remember when the first one came.
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I think it was um I think it was like January 25, maybe.
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I don't know.
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I think the first one was Love You to Death on that EP.
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Um that was a love song, and it I released it on Valentine's Week, and that was the plan with that one.
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Um and then it just sort of carried on.
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Um, what was the question?
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How do how did they choose this?
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How did they how did they all come together?
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How did atmosphere come together?
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It came together in the sense that every time I went through something, I found the song for it.
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Then I released it, and that went on for two years until I was like, probably should bookend this slash get it on a disc so I can give it to my dad.
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So I'm gonna make it an EP.
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And I think that's kind of what it is.
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I didn't try and write, oh, this is a body of work.
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I'm going to try and write atmosphere EP.
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I was like, no, these are the songs that came at me, these are the best songs that came out at me in that period of time, and that's it.
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And then like that's kind of what all my EPs are.
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Like, if you listen to them, they're just like what I've gone through while I've made it, and that's just what I've learned.
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And I think they just age with me in that way, and that's just kind of it.
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I'm not trying to like write an album or write an EP, I'm just like, this is the best that's come from within.
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So far.
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Yeah, so far.
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Right.
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Exactly.
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That's great.
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And how do you feel about this whole music business that you're in?
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Like, yeah, it seems to have changed.
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I was just talking to an artist that was recording back in the 1990s and early 2000s, and how labels would come and like give you money to make a record and tour, and and that completely has changed, right?
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It's just not the atmosphere anymore, even when as far as saying the it record industry is dead.
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How do you navigate this business?
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Because I mean, you need to make money, right?
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Like you have you have to have a career of some kind, and from what I can see, you're doing an amazing job at it.
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Thank you.
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How do you approach kind of being an artist in 2026?
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It's definitely changed for me because I released my first song at 14, so I've sort of watched the whole change and I've sort of been part of like when I released my first songs, it was about the iTunes chart, like Spotify didn't exist, and I've and TikTok, TikTok didn't exist until my 30 P.
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Like, I didn't know any of this.
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And I've watched it all change, and I've had periods where I've got so angry with it and been like, God, like the focus is not on the music, and like that's the only thing I'm doing this for.
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I don't I'm not here to be a content creator, I'm not here to like film myself.
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I really don't really want to be doing that.
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I only do that because you have to do that.
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What I want to be doing is playing shows and writing songs and making music.
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That's what I want to be doing.
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Like you used to be able to do only, but now you can't.
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So I can either sit around and be miserable about it, or I can just be like, well, I've got to roll with what's going and do it.
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And like it's fine.
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Like obviously, I enjoy what I post because I try and be authentic.
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Like, I don't try and copy trends that wouldn't be me.
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And like if I do post a video, I'll try I'm like, that's what I would do, my version of that.
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But if I had the choice, I probably would be a bit more mysterious.
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Um maybe.
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Um, but yeah, it's definitely changed.
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I think it's I don't know if it's better or worse.
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It's easy it's easier to do things um on your own, but now everyone's doing things, so it's harder to get noticed.
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And I don't know, I don't know.
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Sometimes it makes me sad, but what doesn't make me sad is writing, performing, and recording.
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So as long as I've got those things, then I'm probably fine.
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Totally.
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Well, I mean, you're definitely on on the right path, it seems, of what you've done and the equations, the algorithms, and the when you drop a song and that's it.
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I hope so.
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I try and just do like I just try and keep like I I take influence from what's going on, but I'm like, what's my version of that?
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Because I don't want to just I don't want to follow trends because then the trend will go and then I'll be left behind, and then I'll just be a trend artist, which I'm not.
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I was doing this before there were trends.
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So I need to just just be me and try and adapt in a loose way.
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Yeah, everything I'm doing is just so that I can release music and then play at a show.
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That's the only goal for the the show.
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And Natalie, if you kind of look down it through a you know a a looking glass to see down in the future, what are your hopes?
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Like what do you what do you hope that your music or or Natalie Shea becomes as an artist?
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Like where what do you you know we all set goals and kind of you know, five years, ten years, like I mean maybe don't go ten years, but what are you hoping to where are you hoping to go as an artist?
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Well I haven't done an album yet, so that's the next thing is the album.
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And I think that's really exciting.
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I think that it I've I finally have reached a point where I'm very sure of who I am as a person, and that should hopefully translate into the next era of musical identity.
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Yet I haven't quite started it, so I don't know, but I'm hoping it's like very authentically me as I am right now, going a little bit more into the acoustic guitar songwriting because that at the core is who I am, and I've always known I was gonna do that, but I was just kind of like, while I'm young, I'll do the pop stuff more because I'm young and it's pop, but like I can do guitar music for the rest of my life.
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So I'm gonna sort of go into but that a bit more, but not really stop the pop stuff.
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I'm just gonna start start it a little bit.
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Um I just hope I'm always playing shows, and I think that's the thing I'm best at.
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And I think as long as I'm just honestly playing shows and at least once a year do one show that's like bigger than any show I've done before.
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And so far that's been true.
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Every year I've done like one venue that's bigger than I've ever done before.
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And as long as that happens every year, then it's always growing, I'm always performing, and I just want to keep it going because I think it's it's so like these days, it's really hard to have goals in music because most things are sort of like you can reach maximum like huge peaks and then just drop and then nothing.
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So I think for me, my goal is consistency um for the right reasons for the music, not for any other reason.
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And I think as long as it's just consistently good, then I will be fine.
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Yeah.
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Well, I believe in you, that's for sure.
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Thank you.
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I appreciate your belief.
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Natalie, what does a Natalie Shea show entail?
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What will we see when we come to your show?
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I've kind of got two shows.
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I've got two shows.
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I've got the full band show, which is the full track, like big energy jumping, lots of jumping.
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I literally don't stop moving for like I have so much energy performing.
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Like I'll properly go for it.
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But then there's also the like solo acoustic show, which I do probably more than the other show.
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Most of the time I get booked as a support as duo or solo.
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Acoustic and like it's the same songs, but they're done I c I guess it's kind of more country, it's raw, it's acoustic guitar.
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I'm still a a b energetic player and performer and I'll flip my hair around and walk around, but I do think they're sort of two different sides of my performance self.
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One of them's like very sort of pop and commercial, one of them's a bit more like rock rocky country.
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Um so one or the other depends which show you're coming to.
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I'd love to see one of these full band shows.
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I think I saw a couple of live videos I was watching maybe a week or so ago of and you were right, you were moving all the time.
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Yeah, lots of energy.
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I just always have too much.
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Well now I really appreciate you taking some time.
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Um I guess my final question is what is the rest of the 2026 look like going into 2027 with your music?
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So I'm in this gap now, which is fun.
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So I've just spent this summer just like playing loads of shows, which has been great.
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Um, but I've not been putting any pressure.
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I've been working on music but to no deadline, so it's been fun, it's not been stressful.
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So I've got all these new songs.
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I've been writing so many songs, but I'm not like stressed because I don't I'm like whatever, I'm on this break.
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Then I've got this big show in London, this like intimate sit-down show um on the 28th of October, and that's sold out.
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So that's like the next thing that I'm focusing on.
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I'm gonna do that.
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That's that's the start of the new era in my head.
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Like I'm gonna really.
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Um no, my big show of the year was the April show.
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I did a big headline to release C E P and I'm gonna do a I'll do a big release.
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This is like this is the reintroduction of myself.
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It's Natalie's show the story so far, is what it's called.
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And I'm gonna play songs from the age of like 13 to now and the ones that are to come.
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And I just want everyone to be like, just if just to catch up, if you've just joined my like my the journey, you'll find out everything, and that should launch us into the next bit.
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That's the plan.
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Amazing.
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I love it.
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Uh your mindset and your enthusiasm and your truth and authenticity, absolutely.
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Um it comes through through your your words and your face.
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Oh, that means a lot.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Um I wish you all the best.
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Um I will keep listening to Natalie Shea from here on in, and uh I would love to have you back when your next release comes out.
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Yes, please.
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Awesome.
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Thank you for having me.
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A feeling I will leave behind.
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Now I can get it off my mind.
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Now I can get you off my mind.
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Wanna make the break tonight.
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I don't know if the timing's right.
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So maybe you could hit your right.
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Cause I can get it off my mind.
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I'm wanting to just leave it home.
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I've played it out since I was small.
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With no one else to break the floor.
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There's no one else but you To tell me do you wanna go?
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There's sightness in life.
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I don't know what it's getting back.
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So grab your code, that's all you need to do.
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When I can face the day, like a blast out change.
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To be there for my escape.
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To Google it, to google it with a breakaway.
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Struggle in the bed I made.
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Wanna fuck it up and celebrate.
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To Google it, to Google it.
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How does I stand?
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I'm more than misbehaving.
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Hard enough to catch a break, it's getting so frustrating.
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Strong enough to sleep me.
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Are you ready?
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Now I'm biting.
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I wanna take pretend I never grow but turn into just leave it off.
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You slid your gun, so make the call.
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I held it back.
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But now I'm short like what we're going to have to see when I can fix the day.
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To be the only scale.
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Jovel in the bed I make.
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Totally lost.
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If I'm riding the wave, then the scenery changes.
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No way to explain it.
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Been reading this chapter for nearly two decades.
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I love and I hate it.
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I feel I'm to blame.
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So I'm living at home, cause it makes the most sense.
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I really am spent on the steel.
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And I know the mix system only repent.
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If I trust that it's back, but I'm expecting that even when I can face the day.
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I'm not a looking plant to be there for my escape.
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Truggling the bad name.
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Wanna pick it up and celebrate?
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You've got to pick it up.
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I don't get worse to know it's true.
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Don't say it's the point in time.
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I'm living half a life, bracing myself for something new.
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Alright, people, here we are, another episode, if it be your will podcast coming to you.
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Summer is winding down, thank goodness.
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Uh we're all in reprieve of some of the heat.
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I never thought I would say that I'm missing winter, but I don't mind winter more now than this last summer, because this last summer was horrible.
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And I have a guest here we were just commiserating.
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Natalie Shea is coming in from London, or we'll say North London.
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Um who's an amazing singer-songwriter, indie pop style.
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Um just great tunes.
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I'm really excited to talk about your process, Natalie.
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But we're gonna forget about the heat, we're gonna have Ray Sean Blaston, and we're gonna have a great chat.
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So, Natalie, thanks so much for taking some time to talk a little bit about you and your music and how it started and where it's gonna go.
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Thank you.
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I'm so excited to be here.
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Thank you for having me.
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Oh, it's a real pleasure.
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I've been really getting into your music, uh, you know, we had a couple of dates set and you know, life happens, and so I've been listening to it for a while, which I am happy about.
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So it gives me much more depth in what I want to explore with you.
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But I like to begin with kind of your beginnings of um now I know you've been playing music and started at a super young age, your parents are very musical.
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I heard you started playing guitar at like five or something like that.
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Your first songs at 10, your first performances at 13.
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So this is something that's been a part of you for a long time.
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Do you remember some moments when you were growing up in those young years that were really influential in making you decide well, not decide, but just gravitate towards music the way that you have?
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Yeah, um, so I started playing classical guitar when I was five, and that was like my dad's choice.
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That wasn't because I wanted to play the guitar.
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Everyone in the school learned an instrument, everyone did piano or violin.
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I was the only person that did guitar.
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Um, and then around the same time I started doing musical theatre and I go into a theatre school because I liked sort of performing, but again, it was just sort of musicals, and I I was I wasn't the most confident person there for a lot.
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I was really shy for a long time.
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And then I think I was sort of doing these two things for ages.
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Um I think it was sort of a few a few things that happened within the space of like three years.
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Like I sort of I remember I got Disney Channel and then I saw things like Hannah Montana and Camp Rock.
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So that opened my eyes to like, oh, you can be a songwriter that does things and it's sort of adjacent with musical theatres, which is what I was doing anyway.
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And then I went to see, well, I found Taylor Swift, and then I went and saw her concert, a Speak Now.
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Um, and that birthday my dad got me an acoustic guitar, so I taught myself chords for the first time ever.
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Um, and then I was like, right, let's write songs now that I have this guitar, um, and I'm writing songs, and then that's how it all came about, and now I've yeah, been doing it ever since then.
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Now, when you're looking at Taylor Swift up there on the stage, I mean and being kind of shy at the time, like how did you see yourself like possibly doing that one day, already, you know, kind of feeling like oh I'm a bit you know, a bit more reserved in that?
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How do you break that barrier between yeah, I I I I I don't know, okay, yeah, to yeah, thousands of people in front of you listening to you and what you write about.
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How do you make that that jump?
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For many years I was really scared to talk, but not scared to sing.
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So I could I could be per confident doing the singing and the actual performing, but it was the the minute the song ended, I'd suddenly get a rush.
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That's when the shyness and the anxiety would come.
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But I don't know, I've never really felt shy doing the singing part.
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It was just the sort of getting up there to do the singing.
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But once I was I was always fine.
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I I don't know.
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I think I think it just the confidence came from people telling me I was good a lot, and then I was sort of believed them, and then I went to the Brit school at 14, and I think that was a big deal, like to get into this really good music school, and to I believe that I was good at this thing because everyone said so.
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But then I was still really shy with the talking.
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I actually didn't got didn't get very good at like sort of being a personality on stage till probably maybe like four years ago.
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Like I took me, it took me ages.
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I'd I still was like very confident performer, and and I got more and more confident performing the music, but still in the gaps, I was just like, if I didn't have a script, I would freeze.
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Um, but now I'm not like that.
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Now I can talk.
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And did is this like just something that you practice?
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Like the more you do it, the more you get comfortable with it?
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Um Yeah, I I sort of got thrown into doing a school tour in like 2022, 2023, and I went round like I'd say about 40 to 50 schools, maybe more, and I spoke to thousands of thousands of children, like like I don't know, 200 in an assembly at once, and then do like four of those back to back.
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And it was all this just like talking to kids who didn't even necessarily like music, or maybe they were wanted to misbehave that day and like trying to win them round, and like I got just good at it just by sort of having to read rooms and people and doing that, and that honestly, if I hadn't done that, I probably wouldn't have snapped out of it.
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That really got me out of it.
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Yeah, totally.
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Like you had no choice, really.
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No, we have to.
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You required it.
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Yeah, that was the point.
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I love that idea too, though, that you're you're putting yourself in a situation that you know you're gonna be uncomfortable in just so that you get better at it.
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Yeah.
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That's a real, you know.
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You have to, you have to.
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You can't you can't let you can't let things hold you back, you have to figure out a way around them, I think.
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Totally, totally.
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So when you started playing guitar, did um well, when you started actually strumming guitar, I guess I should say, were did the did songwriting come very shortly thereafter, or was the intent to play guitar so that you could write songs?
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I think it was a bit of everything.
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It was that year where I found Taylor Swift.
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I think I'd started writing some songs without a guitar, they were just sort of songs, but they weren't really sticking because I was just writing these songs without any instruments.
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And then Taylor Swift, and then I was like, right, so I want to be a songwriter.
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So then I was like, oh well the guitar, yeah, I guess the guitar was to give me something to write or to accompany these songs I was writing.
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It was all sort of around that time, and then um and then I yeah, I think lots of people ask me why I didn't do piano and stuff, but I just I don't know.
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I just think guitar was always been my thing, and um, yeah, that's it.
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And did what what comes first with you in your process?
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Is it a lyric that will come to you or a title, or or is it kind of a um a series of chords that you put together and then like how do how do you how does a song become something?
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I sort of write them in all those ways, and a lot of the time I get put in sessions and we're sort of me and two strangers, and we have like four hours to get to know each other and write a song.
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So I do write songs in all different ways.
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Sometimes I get sent like tracks and people want me to write dance vocals on top of them.
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But like the ones that I end up releasing, I say 70% of my releases, especially the newest stuff, especially in the Atmosphere EP, are ones that I wrote in my room on guitar because I had something I wanted to say, so I was like, this is what I want to say.
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Then I'd find some chords and then I'd sort of mumble something to do with the thing I wanted to say, record it, then go back, and then I'd take that to a producer.
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So more that's probably my favourite way and easiest way to write, but because of being an artist, you have to do lots of different things sometimes.
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So yeah, I do lots of different ways, but I think like, yeah, honestly, like the ones I usually release, the ones that come because I really wanted to write something, not because I was like, Today I've been told to write a song, but like these are the ones because I I would need to say something, so yeah.
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Right.
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I'm super curious about this three strangers in a room when you leave with a song, or you yeah, well, I I do that that process when you're an artist or a songwriter, you get put in sessions, and like you can be doing like four a week or more, or like two a day sometimes.
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In Nashville, they do like two a day, in LA they do like two a day.
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And you basically like you'll get put in with usually like one other person or two other people, one's a top liner, one's a producer, and you sort of they're like, Hey, and I'm like, How are we all here?
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I don't know, maybe your publisher and my manager, and they've put us all here, and we find out a little bit about each other, and then we sort of see like what we've both all been through, and we sort of tell each other lots of secrets and try and figure out what we've got in common and our journeys and our characters, and then when we've sort of got something that we're like, okay, we can all sort of find something relatable in that, then you start a song, and sometimes it doesn't always click, but sometimes it really, really clicks, and you come out with like but if the producer's quick enough, he'll get a brilliant demo of of a song you've written in a day, and it's quite wonderful, really, because it's like even I try always finish the song, or like even if I'm never gonna listen to it again, I will always come out at a session with a full song that's my rule.
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So yeah, I probably got like I don't know, over a thousand songs, but I don't play them all.
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Yeah, right, right.
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And when do you know, Nelly, that you're on to something when you know you're in your bedroom or you're in, you know, sessions?
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Like, what's the feeling that you get when you feel like there's some kind of you know, you're catching like lightning in a bottle?
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Like what is that feelings that come out in you?
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Um I think it's it's where like maybe like my management or like people who aren't in the emotional side of my head.
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Because I feel like when I've really got something I wanted to say completely, perfectly encapsulated and written down, and I'm like, oh my god, this this is it, this is how I get over that person, this is how I get over that emotion.
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For me, that's the one that I feel like I'm on to something.
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Whereas maybe other people on my team might be like, oh yeah, but there's a lot of words, it's not the most catchy.
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But I'm like, yeah, but that's that's that's what I needed to say.
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So that needs that's the one I feel the most passionate about, and I think I yeah, like for me, it's always the one that means the most.
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Like, if I have to stand and sing it on the stage, I want to be telling my story, I want to be talking about my story, I want it to everyone to know that's that's me, and that's what I did.
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It's yeah, so for me, it's those ones, yeah.
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I mean, I think it's super brave that you I mean because like listening to your to your music, it is very personal.
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I mean, you really lay your heart on your you know, you wear your heart on your sleeve.
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Is that hard to sometimes bring those to the public just because it's kind of raw still, or there's like do you have to be detached from the song to be able to stand up there and kind of like it's not really me?
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Or like navigate that.
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No, I'm the opposite.
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I love oversharing.
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I love being people tell them, and I think this is a way of oversharing to the masses.
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If I stand, if I if thousands of people hear something I think is like something that's like a secret or an anxiety, if people and then I'm like, she you know, like when a problem is shared, a problem is halved.
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Imagine you can share that problem with like a hundred thousand people.
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Like it's amazing, and then you just feel like, well, that's that's out there now, so now it shouldn't have any power anymore.
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So for me, I love it.
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I really need to do it.
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I actually really love like the more honesty, the better.
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If people can tell they're about them, the better.
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Like, that's that's my thing.
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I'm all about just slipping the song out and being like, oh, it's just something I wrote, but everyone knows it's like who it's about.
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I love that.
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Yeah, yeah, totally.
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And I mean, I imagine too that that vulnerability is empowering in a way because you're finally getting it out.
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Um oftentimes humans tend to keep all these things pushed down for sometimes decades, and eventually it needs to come out.
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So are you finding that the songwriting processes that you go through have that kind of therapeutic cleansing of, or you know, kind of just letting go of certain things?
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Does that scape in that process?
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Yes, yes.
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If I can, if I can get something that's making me sad, if I get the song about it, like the song, I'm like, there you go.
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Like that all of the pain, it just takes it away.
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And I can and I it's almost like thank you, universe, for putting me through that because it was so worth it for this song.
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Because at the end of the day, what actually matters to me is music and the song.
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That's what I'm really here for.
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Like, so I just when I'm going through stuff, I'm like, whatever I'm going through, there's a song at the end of this, and then and that's why it's okay.
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I love that.
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I love that.
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Yeah, and I mean, I I I I what you said before too, that it it it's about me, but other people feel these things, right?
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Like it's not like you're like our feelings are different, right?
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Like humans tend to feel certain things when they get you know, you break up or you get dumped or whatever it might be, right?
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Like these are common threads and you're just putting a voice to it that other people can absolutely.
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I think when I get asked interviews, what do you trying to get?
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What's your biggest like goal as a songwriter?
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I'm like people to relate.
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If I can write something that's about me, but in a way that people can put it to them, that's like then I've done it right.
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That's what I'm trying to do all the time.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, and do you feel like you accomplished that with Atmosphere?
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So this is the release that you put out this this year, eight tracks.
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Yes, eight tracks.
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How are you feeling about Atmosphere?
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Did yeah, are those a good representation of songs that that do what you were just saying?
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I think so.
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I think they're the best.
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It's a really long EP because I was just releasing it over a really long period of time, and I was just like, well, they all need to be on it, so they all ended up.
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I think so.
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I think particularly with my song Problems, I think like like the whole point of that was that anyone that's sort of like me will probably think that's the best song ever, and I think I sort of achieved that.
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And I know those people were like, This you're so like me.
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I'm like, good.
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That's what I was trying to I went into other people.
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It must be amazing to hear about it.
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Yeah, oh absolutely.
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That's what so that that one in particular, but I've had a lot of people say about the other ones like they're relatable, or like, oh, that's their song with their partner, blah blah blah.
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But I think problems on that one is the most specific, like the others are sort of just like you can apply them to things easier.
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But I think I think generally, yeah, it's a relatable EP, but particularly that song I think got what I wanted to do.
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Yeah, it's it's so lovely too.
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Like, I love how your songs are put together.
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And I wanted to ask, like, do you follow like I hate saying formula because it's not a formula, but there's structures definitely that you follow, or t uh I've been seeing in your music.
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It does that ring true to you?
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Like, do your songs tend to follow a similar like your big crescendos are like are just when the chorus, the verses, the chorus comes in, it's just like yes, like it's feeling like they do, they they're all the same, and I'm aware of it, but I'm just like, well, that's what I like, and I love performing them, and I think it works, and that's the songs that I would listen to.
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I mainly listen to songs that follow that formula.
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Like, I think my songs are either like ver like several verses of sort of words, or they're like verse chorus, verse chorus, bridge, down chorus, big chorus at the end, and that's I don't know, I just like that just feels like how that's great.
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That's just how it's like.
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I hope so.
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And I mean a manipulation in a really great way, like you bring us through kind of a journey um with you, absolutely and then it does start making me reflect on my my experience as well, just because you open those doorways up that maybe I hadn't thought about in a while, which I really appreciated.
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I appreciate that.
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Thanks.
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And how did all these songs come together?
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Like you said you released them kind of here and there, and then they all came together in 2026.
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Like how long are these songs over or the course of and and were all of these songs written just by yourself in you in your bedroom?
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Or I can't even remember when the first one came.
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I think it was um I think it was like January 25, maybe.
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I don't know.
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I think the first one was Love You to Death on that EP.
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Um that was a love song, and it I released it on Valentine's Week, and that was the plan with that one.
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Um and then it just sort of carried on.
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Um, what was the question?
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How do how did they choose this?
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How did they how did they all come together?
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How did atmosphere come together?
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It came together in the sense that every time I went through something, I found the song for it.
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Then I released it, and that went on for two years until I was like, probably should bookend this slash get it on a disc so I can give it to my dad.
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So I'm gonna make it an EP.
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And I think that's kind of what it is.
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I didn't try and write, oh, this is a body of work.
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I'm going to try and write atmosphere EP.
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I was like, no, these are the songs that came at me, these are the best songs that came out at me in that period of time, and that's it.
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And then like that's kind of what all my EPs are.
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Like, if you listen to them, they're just like what I've gone through while I've made it, and that's just what I've learned.
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And I think they just age with me in that way, and that's just kind of it.
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I'm not trying to like write an album or write an EP, I'm just like, this is the best that's come from within.
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So far.
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Yeah, so far.
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Right.
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Exactly.
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That's great.
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And how do you feel about this whole music business that you're in?
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Like, yeah, it seems to have changed.
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I was just talking to an artist that was recording back in the 1990s and early 2000s, and how labels would come and like give you money to make a record and tour, and and that completely has changed, right?
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It's just not the atmosphere anymore, even when as far as saying the it record industry is dead.
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How do you navigate this business?
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Because I mean, you need to make money, right?
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Like you have you have to have a career of some kind, and from what I can see, you're doing an amazing job at it.
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Thank you.
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How do you approach kind of being an artist in 2026?
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It's definitely changed for me because I released my first song at 14, so I've sort of watched the whole change and I've sort of been part of like when I released my first songs, it was about the iTunes chart, like Spotify didn't exist, and I've and TikTok, TikTok didn't exist until my 30 P.
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Like, I didn't know any of this.
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And I've watched it all change, and I've had periods where I've got so angry with it and been like, God, like the focus is not on the music, and like that's the only thing I'm doing this for.
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I don't I'm not here to be a content creator, I'm not here to like film myself.
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I really don't really want to be doing that.
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I only do that because you have to do that.
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What I want to be doing is playing shows and writing songs and making music.
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That's what I want to be doing.
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Like you used to be able to do only, but now you can't.
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So I can either sit around and be miserable about it, or I can just be like, well, I've got to roll with what's going and do it.
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And like it's fine.
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Like obviously, I enjoy what I post because I try and be authentic.
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Like, I don't try and copy trends that wouldn't be me.
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And like if I do post a video, I'll try I'm like, that's what I would do, my version of that.
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But if I had the choice, I probably would be a bit more mysterious.
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Um maybe.
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Um, but yeah, it's definitely changed.
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I think it's I don't know if it's better or worse.
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It's easy it's easier to do things um on your own, but now everyone's doing things, so it's harder to get noticed.
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And I don't know, I don't know.
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Sometimes it makes me sad, but what doesn't make me sad is writing, performing, and recording.
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So as long as I've got those things, then I'm probably fine.
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Totally.
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Well, I mean, you're definitely on on the right path, it seems, of what you've done and the equations, the algorithms, and the when you drop a song and that's it.
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I hope so.
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I try and just do like I just try and keep like I I take influence from what's going on, but I'm like, what's my version of that?
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Because I don't want to just I don't want to follow trends because then the trend will go and then I'll be left behind, and then I'll just be a trend artist, which I'm not.
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I was doing this before there were trends.
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So I need to just just be me and try and adapt in a loose way.
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Yeah, everything I'm doing is just so that I can release music and then play at a show.
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That's the only goal for the the show.
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And Natalie, if you kind of look down it through a you know a a looking glass to see down in the future, what are your hopes?
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Like what do you what do you hope that your music or or Natalie Shea becomes as an artist?
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Like where what do you you know we all set goals and kind of you know, five years, ten years, like I mean maybe don't go ten years, but what are you hoping to where are you hoping to go as an artist?
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Well I haven't done an album yet, so that's the next thing is the album.
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And I think that's really exciting.
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I think that it I've I finally have reached a point where I'm very sure of who I am as a person, and that should hopefully translate into the next era of musical identity.
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Yet I haven't quite started it, so I don't know, but I'm hoping it's like very authentically me as I am right now, going a little bit more into the acoustic guitar songwriting because that at the core is who I am, and I've always known I was gonna do that, but I was just kind of like, while I'm young, I'll do the pop stuff more because I'm young and it's pop, but like I can do guitar music for the rest of my life.
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So I'm gonna sort of go into but that a bit more, but not really stop the pop stuff.
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I'm just gonna start start it a little bit.
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Um I just hope I'm always playing shows, and I think that's the thing I'm best at.
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And I think as long as I'm just honestly playing shows and at least once a year do one show that's like bigger than any show I've done before.
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And so far that's been true.
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Every year I've done like one venue that's bigger than I've ever done before.
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And as long as that happens every year, then it's always growing, I'm always performing, and I just want to keep it going because I think it's it's so like these days, it's really hard to have goals in music because most things are sort of like you can reach maximum like huge peaks and then just drop and then nothing.
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So I think for me, my goal is consistency um for the right reasons for the music, not for any other reason.
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And I think as long as it's just consistently good, then I will be fine.
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Yeah.
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Well, I believe in you, that's for sure.
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Thank you.
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I appreciate your belief.
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Natalie, what does a Natalie Shea show entail?
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What will we see when we come to your show?
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I've kind of got two shows.
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I've got two shows.
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I've got the full band show, which is the full track, like big energy jumping, lots of jumping.
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I literally don't stop moving for like I have so much energy performing.
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Like I'll properly go for it.
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But then there's also the like solo acoustic show, which I do probably more than the other show.
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Most of the time I get booked as a support as duo or solo.
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Acoustic and like it's the same songs, but they're done I c I guess it's kind of more country, it's raw, it's acoustic guitar.
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I'm still a a b energetic player and performer and I'll flip my hair around and walk around, but I do think they're sort of two different sides of my performance self.
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One of them's like very sort of pop and commercial, one of them's a bit more like rock rocky country.
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Um so one or the other depends which show you're coming to.
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I'd love to see one of these full band shows.
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I think I saw a couple of live videos I was watching maybe a week or so ago of and you were right, you were moving all the time.
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Yeah, lots of energy.
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I just always have too much.
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Well now I really appreciate you taking some time.
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Um I guess my final question is what is the rest of the 2026 look like going into 2027 with your music?
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So I'm in this gap now, which is fun.
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So I've just spent this summer just like playing loads of shows, which has been great.
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Um, but I've not been putting any pressure.
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I've been working on music but to no deadline, so it's been fun, it's not been stressful.
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So I've got all these new songs.
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I've been writing so many songs, but I'm not like stressed because I don't I'm like whatever, I'm on this break.
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Then I've got this big show in London, this like intimate sit-down show um on the 28th of October, and that's sold out.
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So that's like the next thing that I'm focusing on.
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I'm gonna do that.
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That's that's the start of the new era in my head.
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Like I'm gonna really.
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Um no, my big show of the year was the April show.
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I did a big headline to release C E P and I'm gonna do a I'll do a big release.
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This is like this is the reintroduction of myself.
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It's Natalie's show the story so far, is what it's called.
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And I'm gonna play songs from the age of like 13 to now and the ones that are to come.
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And I just want everyone to be like, just if just to catch up, if you've just joined my like my the journey, you'll find out everything, and that should launch us into the next bit.
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That's the plan.
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Amazing.
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I love it.
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Uh your mindset and your enthusiasm and your truth and authenticity, absolutely.
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Um it comes through through your your words and your face.
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Oh, that means a lot.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Um I wish you all the best.
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Um I will keep listening to Natalie Shea from here on in, and uh I would love to have you back when your next release comes out.
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Yes, please.
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Awesome.
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Thank you for having me.
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A feeling I will leave behind.
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Now I can get it off my mind.
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Now I can get you off my mind.
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Wanna make the break tonight.
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I don't know if the timing's right.
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So maybe you could hit your right.
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Cause I can get it off my mind.
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I'm wanting to just leave it home.
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I've played it out since I was small.
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With no one else to break the floor.
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There's no one else but you To tell me do you wanna go?
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There's sightness in life.
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I don't know what it's getting back.
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So grab your code, that's all you need to do.
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When I can face the day, like a blast out change.
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To be there for my escape.
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To Google it, to google it with a breakaway.
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Struggle in the bed I made.
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Wanna fuck it up and celebrate.
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To Google it, to Google it.
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How does I stand?
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I'm more than misbehaving.
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Hard enough to catch a break, it's getting so frustrating.
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Strong enough to sleep me.
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Are you ready?
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Now I'm biting.
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I wanna take pretend I never grow but turn into just leave it off.
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You slid your gun, so make the call.
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I held it back.
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But now I'm short like what we're going to have to see when I can fix the day.
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To be the only scale.
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Jovel in the bed I make.
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Totally lost.
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If I'm riding the wave, then the scenery changes.
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No way to explain it.
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Been reading this chapter for nearly two decades.
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I love and I hate it.
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I feel I'm to blame.
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So I'm living at home, cause it makes the most sense.
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I really am spent on the steel.
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And I know the mix system only repent.
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If I trust that it's back, but I'm expecting that even when I can face the day.
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I'm not a looking plant to be there for my escape.
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Truggling the bad name.
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Wanna pick it up and celebrate?
