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Thank you for joining us today on Therapy Unlock, where we unlock the mind, one conversation at a time.
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I am Final Girl M, and this is local living legend Katrina Mondragon.
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Yes, Katrina Mondragon, licensed professional counselor, licensed mental health counselor, licensed practice in the states of Oklahoma and Massachusetts.
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But just because I'm a professional 29, you're a professional, so nothing we should talk about today should be taken as medical either or otherwise advice.
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This podcast is purely for education and amusement.
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Sally is the amusement today.
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Education, amusement, and because I would like to be famous, as would Sally, who is our guest today.
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So today we have a request for our episode.
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And that is one of our viewers asked, What do you do when you are hated?
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How do you handle being hated?
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Then an oversimplified answer, let them let them let them hate you.
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That's a lot of energy on their end.
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A lot.
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That's a good way to put that.
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It's a lot of energy to hate someone.
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I don't know if you've ever hated someone before.
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I can't say that I've ever hated someone because it takes more to hate someone than it does to even just despise.
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Yeah.
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You know, it takes a lot to hate someone.
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So if somebody really hates you, that means they care an awful lot about you.
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They spend a lot of time thinking about you.
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You might be rent-free in their head.
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Yeah.
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So when when you have someone who hates you, you first need to think about why are they spending such a disordinate amount of time thinking about you in the first place?
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I think if you choose to do that, that's cool.
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But also it's okay to be like, oh well.
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Yeah, you can say, oh well, but I mean, if you have to deal with the fact that someone hates you, you need to maybe avoid them, right?
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Sometimes.
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Sometimes it's unavoidable, though.
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And so if it's unavoidable, that's where I would say develop that indifference we talked about one time before.
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That being indifferent to other people's hatred, indifferent to their emotions, because a lot of times if somebody is angry with us or wants to hate on us, they want to trigger you.
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And so they're trying to get a rise out of you in some type of way.
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And I would say, don't take the bait.
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They're casting a line, you do not have to take the bait.
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Interesting.
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So I would say I would I need to avoid the places where they may cast the line.
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If I find myself in a position where okay, somebody might hate me, or I might have the impression or the feeling that somebody hates me.
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So a good example of that is uh not reading the comments.
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You don't have to take that bait, right?
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So uh if there's a disordinate amount of time that is being spent where that person is thinking about you, or that person is is spending that energy on you, then maybe I need to avoid where they are placing that energy.
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Avoidance is an interesting one because avoidance can be useful and then it can be a symptom.
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Interesting.
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Can you elaborate on that?
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Sure, because when you think of like post-traumatic stress, for example, the trifecta is avoidance, the nightmares.
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Oh, down, Sally.
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Avoidance, nightmares, and flashbacks or re-experiencing of emotions of some kind, even if it's not a full-on flashback, emotional flashbacks or a thing.
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But that avoidance is part of a symptom.
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And then another way where it might be useful is when it's anger.
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So when something makes us angry and we temporarily avoid the person, place, or thing making us angry, that can be useful avoidance.
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So there's useful avoidance and there is harmful avoidance.
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How do you determine which one is useful to you and is a let them, and which one is harmful to you, and is maybe something that is aggravating the problem or or causing you more pain in a situation dealing with a hateful person.
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So this is maybe an unpopular opinion, but I would say if it triggers you, don't avoid it.
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If it's triggering, don't avoid it.
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Because I think it was Carl Jung that said that which irritates us in others shows us something about ourselves or something to that effect.
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Yeah.
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And so if it's a trigger, I would say don't avoid it.
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But if it's going to dysregulate you, then it's a different story.
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Interesting.
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Okay.
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So we need to find inner peace so that we can stay regulated in the face of our triggers.
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Yes, yes.
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So, like if I'm triggered by making a phone call, that doesn't mean I should avoid making phone calls and just text all day.
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If I'm afraid to make a phone call, that means I need to make it a game, make it somehow where I do more phone calls to be more comfortable picking up that phone.
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Yeah, that makes sense.
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So if somebody, if dealing with somebody who is hateful is something that is triggering to you and it's going to dysregulate you, then maybe that's something to avoid.
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But if dealing with somebody who is hateful is triggering to you and you can deal with it in a calm and peaceful manner, then go ahead and deal with that person.
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Okay, minus the calm and peaceful.
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You don't have to say calm and peaceful.
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Like it's okay to get angry, it's not okay to break dishes.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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I've broken some dishes.
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I've done a Riyadh before, she's breaking dishes all night.
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Up in here, I have.
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I've broken some dishes before.
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Sometimes the situation has called for it.
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I'm not gonna lie.
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You know, there are times, but that said, I think that in dealing with people who hate you more often than not, you take the high road in life and you choose.
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Let them be angry, let them put up that energy, and you go about what you're gonna do no matter what.
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Yes, and you choose to to focus on your own priorities and the things that that are important to you and are important to your cause.
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Speaking of priorities, so I think of priorities as like a thing that can be flexible, like boundaries, but priorities you can change what plate you're holding at any particular point in time.
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You can have a plate of school, a plate of family, a plate of friends, and you can shift priorities should something come up.
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If I'm driving to work and get a flat tire, I'm gonna shift my priority to safety first.
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That makes sense, Sally.
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Well, I think that's an excellent discussion on how to deal with anybody who might be hateful or somebody who hates you today on Therapy Unlocked, where we unlock one conversation at a time.
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Sally agrees with us.
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Thank you for joining us today.
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We'll see you next time on Therapy Unlock later.
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Thank you for joining us today on Therapy Unlock, where we unlock the mind, one conversation at a time.
00:00:07.679 --> 00:00:14.720
I am Final Girl M, and this is local living legend Katrina Mondragon.
00:00:14.960 --> 00:00:20.719
Yes, Katrina Mondragon, licensed professional counselor, licensed mental health counselor, licensed practice in the states of Oklahoma and Massachusetts.
00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:26.160
But just because I'm a professional 29, you're a professional, so nothing we should talk about today should be taken as medical either or otherwise advice.
00:00:26.239 --> 00:00:28.480
This podcast is purely for education and amusement.
00:00:29.039 --> 00:00:30.800
Sally is the amusement today.
00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:40.079
Education, amusement, and because I would like to be famous, as would Sally, who is our guest today.
00:00:40.320 --> 00:00:44.880
So today we have a request for our episode.
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And that is one of our viewers asked, What do you do when you are hated?
00:00:51.439 --> 00:00:53.679
How do you handle being hated?
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Then an oversimplified answer, let them let them let them hate you.
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That's a lot of energy on their end.
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A lot.
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That's a good way to put that.
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It's a lot of energy to hate someone.
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I don't know if you've ever hated someone before.
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I can't say that I've ever hated someone because it takes more to hate someone than it does to even just despise.
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Yeah.
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You know, it takes a lot to hate someone.
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So if somebody really hates you, that means they care an awful lot about you.
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They spend a lot of time thinking about you.
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You might be rent-free in their head.
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Yeah.
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So when when you have someone who hates you, you first need to think about why are they spending such a disordinate amount of time thinking about you in the first place?
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I think if you choose to do that, that's cool.
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But also it's okay to be like, oh well.
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Yeah, you can say, oh well, but I mean, if you have to deal with the fact that someone hates you, you need to maybe avoid them, right?
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Sometimes.
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Sometimes it's unavoidable, though.
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And so if it's unavoidable, that's where I would say develop that indifference we talked about one time before.
00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:17.520
That being indifferent to other people's hatred, indifferent to their emotions, because a lot of times if somebody is angry with us or wants to hate on us, they want to trigger you.
00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:19.919
And so they're trying to get a rise out of you in some type of way.
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And I would say, don't take the bait.
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They're casting a line, you do not have to take the bait.
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Interesting.
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So I would say I would I need to avoid the places where they may cast the line.
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If I find myself in a position where okay, somebody might hate me, or I might have the impression or the feeling that somebody hates me.
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So a good example of that is uh not reading the comments.
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You don't have to take that bait, right?
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So uh if there's a disordinate amount of time that is being spent where that person is thinking about you, or that person is is spending that energy on you, then maybe I need to avoid where they are placing that energy.
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Avoidance is an interesting one because avoidance can be useful and then it can be a symptom.
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Interesting.
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Can you elaborate on that?
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Sure, because when you think of like post-traumatic stress, for example, the trifecta is avoidance, the nightmares.
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Oh, down, Sally.
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Avoidance, nightmares, and flashbacks or re-experiencing of emotions of some kind, even if it's not a full-on flashback, emotional flashbacks or a thing.
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But that avoidance is part of a symptom.
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And then another way where it might be useful is when it's anger.
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So when something makes us angry and we temporarily avoid the person, place, or thing making us angry, that can be useful avoidance.
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So there's useful avoidance and there is harmful avoidance.
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How do you determine which one is useful to you and is a let them, and which one is harmful to you, and is maybe something that is aggravating the problem or or causing you more pain in a situation dealing with a hateful person.
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So this is maybe an unpopular opinion, but I would say if it triggers you, don't avoid it.
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If it's triggering, don't avoid it.
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Because I think it was Carl Jung that said that which irritates us in others shows us something about ourselves or something to that effect.
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Yeah.
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And so if it's a trigger, I would say don't avoid it.
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But if it's going to dysregulate you, then it's a different story.
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Interesting.
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Okay.
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So we need to find inner peace so that we can stay regulated in the face of our triggers.
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Yes, yes.
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So, like if I'm triggered by making a phone call, that doesn't mean I should avoid making phone calls and just text all day.
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If I'm afraid to make a phone call, that means I need to make it a game, make it somehow where I do more phone calls to be more comfortable picking up that phone.
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Yeah, that makes sense.
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So if somebody, if dealing with somebody who is hateful is something that is triggering to you and it's going to dysregulate you, then maybe that's something to avoid.
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But if dealing with somebody who is hateful is triggering to you and you can deal with it in a calm and peaceful manner, then go ahead and deal with that person.
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Okay, minus the calm and peaceful.
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You don't have to say calm and peaceful.
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Like it's okay to get angry, it's not okay to break dishes.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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I've broken some dishes.
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I've done a Riyadh before, she's breaking dishes all night.
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Up in here, I have.
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I've broken some dishes before.
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Sometimes the situation has called for it.
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I'm not gonna lie.
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You know, there are times, but that said, I think that in dealing with people who hate you more often than not, you take the high road in life and you choose.
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Let them be angry, let them put up that energy, and you go about what you're gonna do no matter what.
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Yes, and you choose to to focus on your own priorities and the things that that are important to you and are important to your cause.
00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:31.759
Speaking of priorities, so I think of priorities as like a thing that can be flexible, like boundaries, but priorities you can change what plate you're holding at any particular point in time.
00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:38.240
You can have a plate of school, a plate of family, a plate of friends, and you can shift priorities should something come up.
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If I'm driving to work and get a flat tire, I'm gonna shift my priority to safety first.
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That makes sense, Sally.
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Well, I think that's an excellent discussion on how to deal with anybody who might be hateful or somebody who hates you today on Therapy Unlocked, where we unlock one conversation at a time.
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Sally agrees with us.
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Thank you for joining us today.
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We'll see you next time on Therapy Unlock later.
