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Speaker 1: Now, David Taumahere will not face a retrial for the 1989 murders of two Swedish backpackers. He's been waiting for this decision since March when the Supreme Court quashed his murder convictions, finding his trial was fundamentally unfair. He is not with us right now. In his place, we have Murray Gibson, his lawyer. Hi, Murray.
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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Hilda.
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Speaker 1: What's happened to David?
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Speaker 2: Well, David, as you can imagine, has got a lot of media commitments. People have descended on him. TV people, radio, and unfortunately for us, he's with the TV people. They're making a three-part series on his case, and they grabbed him at court this morning and made a booking.
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Speaker 1: Okay, and haven't let him go. What channel is it going to be.
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Speaker 2: On? Good question. Unsure. It's a podcast. I suspect TV1. Okay.
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Speaker 1: So privately done, obviously. Now, do you feel, Murray, that he has been completely vindicated? Because the Crown's position is not that he shouldn't be retried. It is just that he can't be retried because so much evidence is now gone.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. It's an unfortunate distinction. Yeah. The evidence suggests that he wasn't involved. Unfortunately, he stumbled across a car that had been left behind in the wake of the people who were responsible for the crime, and it put him in the frame. Since the hearing, a witness has come forward who claims to have seen the Swedish couple in the company of another person. And, you know, the police know who that person is, but I think they are reluctant to reopen the investigation. And so... Who was that other person? Oh, look... The police really should charge this person, Heather.
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Speaker 1: Do you know who this person is, Murray?
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Speaker 2: I do know who this person is. Why won't you tell us who this person is? Because if he is charged, and he should be charged, then he needs to have the usual protections that are offered to someone charged before they appear in court.
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Speaker 1: So they don't want to charge him, this person, because they say what? They just can't be bothered going there?
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Speaker 2: Well, passage of time, I suspect. But, you know, they've got a witness, an eyewitness, who saw the couple in this person's company around the relevant time. And then, you know, presumably the boy got taken off. The body was found, Urban's remains were found in close proximity to this person's house. Interesting.
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Speaker 1: Murray, thank you very much. Murray Gibson, David Tamahere's lawyer, that took an unexpected turn, didn't it?
Speaker 1: Now, David Taumahere will not face a retrial for the 1989 murders of two Swedish backpackers. He's been waiting for this decision since March when the Supreme Court quashed his murder convictions, finding his trial was fundamentally unfair. He is not with us right now. In his place, we have Murray Gibson, his lawyer. Hi, Murray.
00:00:16
Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Hilda.
00:00:19
Speaker 1: What's happened to David?
00:00:22
Speaker 2: Well, David, as you can imagine, has got a lot of media commitments. People have descended on him. TV people, radio, and unfortunately for us, he's with the TV people. They're making a three-part series on his case, and they grabbed him at court this morning and made a booking.
00:00:50
Speaker 1: Okay, and haven't let him go. What channel is it going to be.
00:00:54
Speaker 2: On? Good question. Unsure. It's a podcast. I suspect TV1. Okay.
00:01:05
Speaker 1: So privately done, obviously. Now, do you feel, Murray, that he has been completely vindicated? Because the Crown's position is not that he shouldn't be retried. It is just that he can't be retried because so much evidence is now gone.
00:01:19
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's an unfortunate distinction. Yeah. The evidence suggests that he wasn't involved. Unfortunately, he stumbled across a car that had been left behind in the wake of the people who were responsible for the crime, and it put him in the frame. Since the hearing, a witness has come forward who claims to have seen the Swedish couple in the company of another person. And, you know, the police know who that person is, but I think they are reluctant to reopen the investigation. And so... Who was that other person? Oh, look... The police really should charge this person, Heather.
00:02:22
Speaker 1: Do you know who this person is, Murray?
00:02:24
Speaker 2: I do know who this person is. Why won't you tell us who this person is? Because if he is charged, and he should be charged, then he needs to have the usual protections that are offered to someone charged before they appear in court.
00:02:40
Speaker 1: So they don't want to charge him, this person, because they say what? They just can't be bothered going there?
00:02:48
Speaker 2: Well, passage of time, I suspect. But, you know, they've got a witness, an eyewitness, who saw the couple in this person's company around the relevant time. And then, you know, presumably the boy got taken off. The body was found, Urban's remains were found in close proximity to this person's house. Interesting.
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Speaker 1: Murray, thank you very much. Murray Gibson, David Tamahere's lawyer, that took an unexpected turn, didn't it?
