speaker-0: It's eleven eleven, make a way. Welcome to Hacking Hypermobility Podcast. I'm Lina. And I'm Shelly. And we're two bendy mamas. Hacking Hypermobility. Hi, it's August first. Did you know that August is national eye exam month? If you haven't, you should get your eyes checked. Even if you ha don't have issues like I'm about to describe. Health is extremely important and it's something that I'm passionate about because my grandmother went blind when she was 65. This episode is going to feature me going to my eye doctor and engaging in an exam conducted by Neuralens, and they'll be linked in the show notes. As always, this is for informational and educational purposes. I'm not a doctor, I'm just a forensic accountant who plays a podcaster on the internet. I'm happy to answer any questions about this condition. There are a lot of short form videos on my TikTok. We just got back from the conference and we gained a Quite a few followers on Instagram, and so we're gonna start putting more of our short form content there and on YouTube. And we are currently working on expanding information that we offer and the platforms in which we offer and the type of media with which you can consume it. Alright, all that said, let's move on to this episode which is all about binocular vision dysfunction and I would like to thank my youngest kiddo for being on screen and for participating in this exam with me and for filming it when I was not able to. And I would like to thank Peepers in Crofton Gambrels and Nivindi especially because she never does me wrong when helping me choose my eyewear and Joe from Newton. Okay. Let's go. If you've watched any of my videos for a while, you know that I've complained about my eyes. I have a relatively weak prescription. I have cataracts, salt and pepper cataracts. I have more floaters than I should, for someone who has healthy eyes. And I frequently have double vision, blurry vision, struggle to focus. If I choose to be on a screen
speaker-2: I mean.
speaker-0: in the morning, I've pretty much chosen that that's what my eyes are gonna be able to focus on for the entire day because if later in the day I decide I want to do something that requires a longer distance focus, like watch T V, garden, you name it, the eye strain and just unbearable. And so that is why over the last several years many people might have noticed that my presence digitally or as far as being able to maintain an electronic relationship with someone if it required me to interact on a screen a lot with texting or even just sometimes even just talking. I I just couldn't even look at a screen. And actually right now I'm so excited to try on these new glasses because I'm wearing my glasses for the effect of this video. But I actually cannot see myself very well at all because the distance that I'm currently sitting at, like if I wanna see well I like by watching this video, I would need to be like this. And that's not the way it's supposed to be. Okay. So we're gonna go through the whole watch me go through this process of finding out the exact prescription of the lenses that I'm about to try on. And just in trying on the little test thingies that they set up at the appointment which would match my prescription that they determined I needed was insane. Like I remember when we first went to high definition televisions and like when you went back to a standard definition show, we were like, That looks like crap. That's what it looks like. So all right. Now let's take a listen to how we got to here. My glasses.
speaker-2: Sorry, take off size here.
speaker-1: No, you leave my okay. Yep, so we're gonna take your prescription, it goes into it, so we're gonna make sure that's how you're using your eyes in those. Alright, so just guide that on for me.
speaker-2: really well, cartoon lady. Cartoon lady. Yeah. Welcome to the neural measurement experience. Please take a moment to get comfortable. When you're ready, press the start button by moving your head to position the white dotted and wait for it to turn green. The next thing we need to do is to make sure your headset is fitted properly with any hydro that is working. Use your hand to adjust the headband to properly Is it turned green when it's in proper? Okay, 'cause I have my reaction is also black. There we go. so close. There we go. No. There
speaker-1: Yeah.
speaker-2: we go. Hey, how do you jump? Next, keep your head still and follow this blue dot in just around. Is the blue dot supposed to get blurry? No. cool. Okay. Adjust or touch the headset. I will do my best and sit on my hands. Throughout the exam, you will see a scale of market. Stare at its center and ignore everything else. During the exam, you can work as option if you need to. But keep your Yeah. Very clear instructions. I like that.
speaker-1: Just the yellow dot that's all you're doing.
speaker-2: Yeah.
speaker-1: See how far she is.
speaker-2: It has like their the screen of of his computer has all of the steps that you're doing right now. really? Yeah, it has the modules. Okay, they're like man. This is cool. How
speaker-0: And it's showing
speaker-2: much percentage there is. I think that's around like thirty something percent?
speaker-1: Thirty days.
speaker-2: Yep. right. Fake hand. Interesting.
speaker-1: Remember, keep your eyes on the center of the top. Try and last part.
speaker-2: is really cool. Now I'm just wondering what it looks like. You'll see. Mmm, run me. I'm next. Well, if I didn't know I had
speaker-1: We can edit those.
speaker-2: Yeah. I'm sure it's pretty related. The green lines you are seeing indicate where your eyes should be aligned with viewing digital devices, like Sparkle. Red lines indicate new lines. The mismatch between the red and green lines indicates that your eyes may be struggling to comfortably align throughout the day. This puts strain on the largest nerve in your head, leading to pain and potentially causing neck pain or other indicated symptoms. Your results have been quite awful. Thank you, computer lady.
speaker-1: Her name is Lindsay.
speaker-2: Thanks, Lindsay. Lindsay, I love that.
speaker-1: Welcome back.
speaker-2: Thank you. That is super cool.
speaker-1: Yeah.
speaker-2: Ready to switch off? Alright, it's my turn.
speaker-1: This machine is gonna wash my glasses. And your person who gives a
speaker-2: Carolyn C A R O L Y N
speaker-1: You would think the sales raft would have a little bit more better name.
speaker-2: You talk about that like
speaker-1: Th there's like twenty people here meeting. okay, so yeah, we could probably do it without yours because you do have a pretty low script. It's a little different but it'll get a better
speaker-2: Kimmy, you'll get to see my eyes being crazy in
speaker-0: So that machine confirmed that I have issues.
speaker-1: It confirmed that you have convergence insufficiency. Okay. And then we'll talk about your symptoms. Okay. And then the doctor obviously had this conversation about Yeah, yeah. But just to kinda see like is this correlated? the good news is the product's guaranteed, so if it doesn't work, you can correct. I think, yeah. Yeah.
speaker-2: Yeah,
speaker-0: Standard.
speaker-2: Yeah, yeah. my god.
speaker-0: Right.
speaker-2: Isn't she cute? Isn't Lindsay cute?
speaker-1: Very helpful.
speaker-2: character snap. Inside a platform.
speaker-0: With the emotion and
speaker-2: Yeah. I got things working. Yeah, this took me.
speaker-0: But hey, now I understand why slightly c or
speaker-2: All of my nails work like f before.
speaker-0: I would I was doing like a DIY prompt.
speaker-2: And stuff.
speaker-0: I would use a level like it would be fifty.
speaker-2: times I would it's like it's level, it's level and my inner one
speaker-0: Would my husband?
speaker-2: coming and he's like, It's just off. He's like, What are you doing? I'm like, the level said so and he's like Yeah
speaker-1: Don't set your
speaker-2: now I
speaker-0: I under now it all makes sense.
speaker-2: will not lend you.
speaker-1: It impacts people differently, but we have self-dicked reading speed. During the so you know, if your eyes are looking at something different, your moves dust slightly at the end of the day your eyes are tired, they're not lining up exactly with
speaker-2: That explains why I would say.
speaker-1: Anger or you're losing your place and you're not
speaker-2: Yeah.
speaker-1: Contract your nuts.
speaker-0: I struggle with that a lot and I struggled with
speaker-2: Looking at petri dishes right now.
speaker-0: Yeah.
speaker-2: okay. It's really hard 'cause I really want to look at the other
speaker-0: I know. The the eighty eight.
speaker-2: H D is strong in this family. Yeah. I just want to know what they are. It's great. Well, so here's the thing. This that I'm experiencing diagnosed with A
speaker-0: Condition, like all of these things, I didn't get diagnosed. I found out I was autistic, which my son was diagnosed when he was five you know, over the years.
speaker-2: So I was kinda like a low hand, but I don't think
speaker-0: All of these things kind of run in a pack and it's it's anytime I find anything new that is I'm experiencing and then I read like conditions or like gin 'cause I've had my whole genome done too. I'll look and I'll be like
speaker-2: Shouldn't it?
speaker-1: Yeah.
speaker-2: What do you think, ma'am? It's kinda scary. I feel
speaker-1: Doing good, I must have.
speaker-2: like I'm an avoid. Well done. Aww, thank you, Lindsay. I'm looking at it. there we go. There we go.
speaker-0: Not cool.
speaker-2: For the motion sickness question, I'm giving it a th I'm giving it a four because it's just happened recently. Started so recently. Well, I finalized your test result. Let me show you. The green lines you are seeing indicate where your eyes should be aligned from you and The red lines indicate the alignment where your eyes are most comfortable during In this sense, between the red and green line indicates that your eyes may be struggling to comfortably align throughout the day. This puts strain on the largest nerve in your head, leading to pain and potentially causing eye strain and your other indicated symptoms. Your results have been finalized and shared with your eye doctor. Yay, thank you, Lindsay. You may now take the histadol and return your spray. Thank you. Goodbye, Lensay.
speaker-1: Yes.
speaker-2: Sweet, do I have the goggle lines?
speaker-1: Yeah. I tightened it. I I kind of it doesn't
speaker-2: no, yeah.
speaker-0: So with the connected tissue to
speaker-2: I just have impressionable skin.
speaker-1: really?
speaker-0: Well that's one of the things.
speaker-1: Just wanted to make sure we got a good one.
speaker-2: yeah.
speaker-0: I'd rather yeah.
speaker-1: How would you like to go about this?
speaker-0: I don't know. What Is that s can we look can I look at the screen here? Yeah. Okay, so I'll come over and stand and look at the screen. Are you gonna show me stuff?
speaker-2: Sure.
speaker-1: So you can go through either result or both results.
speaker-2: Trevor Burrus, I mean let's we're so
speaker-0: On this one.
speaker-2: let's do Carolyn. Sure. Yeah.
speaker-1: Alright, so basically what we're doing in that test is we are looking to see how far your foras drift out at distance and then again at near. Ninety percent of people their eyes drift out, they have larger foras at near, they're more exo at near. So what that basically means is your eyes rest slightly out at distance, and then when you go down, they're out even more. So if you're trying to focus, and we have like examples here, so when you're looking at a TV. Your natural eye position is here. So when you want to focus on that, you have to pull it in with your eye muscles. So if you're doing let's say two pound weights, right? You can hold them for 30 seconds, you can hold them for a couple minutes, you hold them for 30, 60, you know, all day long. Not only are your arms gonna hurt, shoulders are gonna hurt, neck's gonna hurt, back's gonna hurt, gonna tense up.
speaker-2: I'm a painter.
speaker-1: And you might Yeah.
speaker-0: Yeah, this one's an artist. So
speaker-1: So that's your T V, but then when we go to your reading, it's twice as dramatic. Wow. So basically you're off the screen. what there's nothing, you know, wrong with you. This is actually like very common. And
speaker-0: That explains why my I always hold things so far away.
speaker-1: Yeah. So you like it you know, you've corrected your accommodation with being able to see clearly, as far as we can using standard lenses, but in terms of like lining them up. I've actually had people return these because they said their vision was like four K, it was too good. I was like, All right, well sorry, I think. But Okay.
speaker-0: I'm sorry we c
speaker-2: Did your mission so well?
speaker-1: Yeah. which is, you know, teach their own. But basically here, when you're looking at if this was that tablet, right, you're using I'm not gonna use that. Let's use an actual tablet. So you're here, your eyes wanna be out here, so like this is not a comfortable position. We've only been using screens for X amount of years, right?
speaker-0: Yeah. Right, yeah, our bodies aren't designed for that.
speaker-1: And more recently it's dramatic. So the average employee, I think it's in the US, is ninety-seven hours a week. They're using screens because that's not only at the office, but then they're screens.
speaker-0: And they go home and get on screen.
speaker-1: Right. And so you're just doing this you're you're looking at an area you're not evolved to look into and now your eyes are overworked. Yeah. So there's a mismatch and where you're landing. So That can result in a number of symptoms. So basically when you go to your doctor, let's say you were here, we don't, you know, with the average patient, like all this stuff's important and it'll go into your prescription. but what we really want to know is what's going on here. So like we can go with your neck pain, how long have you had neck pain for?
speaker-0: I mean, we didn't really start having a conversation about your chronic pain till you were maybe middle school.
speaker-2: eighth grade. Yeah, I'd say like my neck pain like when I would like wake up and like general use of my muscles and everything was probably when I turned like 15. Yeah. When like my puberty was slowing down a little bit. Yeah.
speaker-1: Okay. is it often?
speaker-2: Yeah, 'cause also I have like I have paw punching issues. So it's just kinda like this entire area of my body is just kind of work.
speaker-1: But that's a pretty com we don't we don't index for that. We don't have clinical studies on TM but they tend to
speaker-2: This is so cool.
speaker-1: they tend to run in a handed pain. so your neck pain is it like here and then down behind your shoulder?
speaker-0: Hang co hanger.
speaker-2: It's like a it's coat hanger but also like here and like a cock of
speaker-1: Like sheets up the back.
speaker-2: my head.
speaker-0: So I also have been diagnosed with cervical dystonia and I actually started getting Botox treatments in here. 'Cause I also have disc degeneration. I'm I'm really avoiding neck surgery because but that has actually helped stabilize, which has reduced some of my neck strain, but I still have like I don't quite have the neck pain this one has 'cause it's one of the stuff.
speaker-2: of studio painting like constantly.
speaker-1: So you're constantly in your Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right.
speaker-2: I was doing that.
speaker-1: Okay. So and what do you do to manage the
speaker-2: well for one since I'm not on like screens a lot when I when I paint, because I'm normally listening to music. I normally give my eyes a break by s by standing far away from what I'm doing. Yep. Cause that also it's it also helps when you're when you're creating 'cause you look at it and you're like, this looks really weird. But I don't really know what. So when you step back and then you're like, this, this and this are weird. So Oftentimes when I'm at school I do have less eye strain, unless I'm reading. Yes.
speaker-1: So it's not and it's not it's a not I think you know this, but it's not just the screens, it's just the distance revolution. Yeah. So
speaker-0: So
speaker-2: Like I've like my pad I've had my laptop like all the way back here, like leaning back so I'm just like
speaker-0: That's what I do too. And that's part of why I bought this little contraption here, because when I could have my phone, but I could have my phone away
speaker-2: Right.
speaker-0: from me in order to like view.
speaker-1: Which makes sense, right? Because that's easier for you. all right. And then what about like your your motion sickness?
speaker-2: So that really recently started. it was like it's like within the last six months
speaker-1: months.
speaker-2: it started. I was in my friend's stick shift car and I was sitting in the front seat and I was overwhelmed by nausea that that I had to have a like a van
speaker-1: Mm-hmm.
speaker-2: in the car 'cause I was like actively trying not to break. And you've so and I had never had motion sickness in my life.
speaker-0: say you never I was I always would have like
speaker-2: No.
speaker-0: I would get sick I I would either I would be better driving or in the front seat and I couldn't read or do anything. I'd have to kind of have the in my sight line. But like other vehicles were fine. Like I never got Initially. But like airplanes were fine, trains
speaker-2: I started getting motion sick while I drive.
speaker-0: That is new and not good.
speaker-2: Yeah. So like I would like we were in like we were in Pittsburgh one time and that's when first noticed it with the hills and everything and how like
speaker-0: Roll it, yeah.
speaker-2: everything is and I was like It was like a thirty minute drive, so I was kinda suffering back there. And with like older cars, also like they're not as smooth. They're not as smooth either. That but like it normally happens when I'm on like when I'm on like really twisty, windy roads. It's
speaker-0: Yeah well yeah.
speaker-2: not like so it's not just
speaker-0: From what I'm gathering here, you w eyes wanna focus further out, but you can't 'cause you wanna know where you're going, so it's closer in with the curves. I don't know.
speaker-1: You've got peripheral stimulation. So you're doing these little movements. Yeah, like when you look left to right, your eyes shut off about three times and you don't really notice it. So each time they're doing a a line, a line, a line. so basically what would happen with these lenses is you want to be here and here, for example, and here. instead of you doing this work, we've just calculated exactly where you need to be for both. Okay. So you'll s you'll sit. Where are you most common? So it's you're not doing that work at
speaker-2: I don't have to like move around. 'Cause I also do this game a lot. 'Cause I have so I'm also lit.
speaker-1: So the thing with progressive is that so this measurement here, years lower actually.
speaker-0: But the
speaker-2: Prescription's stronger than mine, too.
speaker-1: Your forears, I'm sorry. So which these lenses, you know, sometimes people think like, they have to be very exo for this to work or for them to have to be working so hard. We're just as effective treating a.8 basin, which is your your prism amount is half of hers. basically, or more than half.
speaker-2: You're more master.
speaker-1: But what's interesting is like you're saying the progressives are really difficult. So
speaker-0: Because I'm finding that
speaker-2: But that's because I'm trying to accommodate the distance because I want to when I'm reading hold it at the computer distance. And so then I have to like do this game to get the reading part at the computer distance. Does that make sense?
speaker-1: Yeah, and there's a lot of you know, I'm sure you're in premium lenses which I yeah.
speaker-2: Apparently I have like
speaker-1: And most they work on most people. Okay. But we there are people that can be called progressive non adapts, which it sounds like you've fought to make them work, but you're constantly
speaker-2: Yeah. That's why I don't re like these things have been sat on and and I don't even bring them in for adjustments.
speaker-0: Because whatever adjustment you're gonna have to like
speaker-2: We'll do that anyway. So I'm
speaker-1: So what we're saying for yours is you're also looking out at distance, not as much far.
speaker-2: Not as far.
speaker-1: Yep. And then at near same, not as far. Okay. The thing that is interesting though with your progressives, when you get down to that add part in the lens, that magnification naturally pushes you out even more. So you do it it's so you got a two point seven, right? Okay. Distance. But then when you put that add power in there, it goes to a 10. So and that's just a calculation that we have. So that means you go from here and then the add pushes further. So a lot of people, when they're going down the lens, they can't find the spot because they then have to do the additional work.
speaker-2: I mean I I'm how often do I actually hold things closer? I think I hold things closer than you. I tend to try to get things farther away from you actually. Because like I feel like my my natural phone position is right is right. My natural phone position is like right is like right here. Yeah, it's not very far away. I ca I I can't do one of my shoulders or fix now mostly, but I still the strain, but like I would always try to be like
speaker-1: Yes. So there's also one more thing that we picked up in your test that we didn't in yours. So this is compensatory convergence response. Observe patient may have accovia-adjusted eye position during testing, which can mask their true fork posture. so at that point basically what we're saying is in the test you're trying to fight the test. So you may have your eye is supposed your left eye is covered. Yeah. So your right eye's looking at that yellow dot and your left eye's gonna drift out to where it's most comfortable or it's a natural position, you're automatically fighting that. So y you may have like conditioned yourself or like trained your visual system to do that. So we'll sometimes see it in like vision therapy patients or with doctors who are very astute at, you know, knowing what's going on. so
speaker-0: When I was controlling my breathing that time on the polygon.
speaker-1: So what we're saying is we got a measurement for you at point eight. Okay. But it could you could handle additional prism. Okay. good news is with this lens is that we'll pr we'll fill you for your prescription. We can have the doctor double check. but this is just a diagnostic. So they're gonna start with this value. Most of the time they do prescribe right right at it or right near it. Okay. what I would say is that y if you start to wear this lens, you're like, I can I can settle into it, but I'm not getting the relief I think I could get. We can always increase that. Okay. So you have ninety days of unlimited remakes to get that. Okay. so you might end up at like a two point five or something, right? Okay. But we would start you here. we can do trial prism if Doctor Winnie is time. When I look at yours So your right this is Carolyn's right eye during the test. Yeah. Right along that the yellow dot is right down the center. Yeah. Her eye drifts out. Right? That's at distance. And then at near, it's like double. Wow. my god. But she's the right eye stays right here. And then we get what it was supposed to do. And then we double check it here for both eyes. Okay.
speaker-0: Wait so my right eyes just calm, just calm.
speaker-1: Yours yours your exo but your the f the pattern that we see with like the eye tracking is pretty straightforward or like normal looking I guess regular more frequently that we see that. With yours you kind of struggled. So you start out here and then you start to pull it in and then see you and then you lose your posture.
speaker-2: yeah.
speaker-1: So you're kind of fighting it a little bit. So we can remeasure you and then I can also the doc would probably just do like trial prism or something.
speaker-2: Okay.
speaker-1: But we can always tweak it until we get it right.
speaker-0: Yeah, I mean anything will be better than what I'm doing.
speaker-2: Yeah.
speaker-1: what's the symptom you're like dying to fix here? You got all
speaker-2: I mean, not not all of those are related necessarily to my eye condition because I mean I have autonomic issues too which can trigger any of those things too. So mostly I just wanna feel I'm sorry, I just wanna feel like I can be comfortable doing some work. Like I I feel like right now I spend so much brain power like figuring out how my workstation's gonna how I'm gonna the day and also have a second option for when I need to like adjust it based on whatever. So just cutting out twenty minutes of that crap because
speaker-1: Yeah, absolutely.
speaker-2: you know but the light light sensitivity is probably my worst issue because it prevents me from driving most places because like night driving I can't really do because I have the astigmatism and then I'm just so so sensitive. Like I almost want to put on my sunglasses now in here. And then during the day if it's too sunny, that is a struggle. Or if it's like cloudy but too much glare. Like it's just it's so and because some I
speaker-0: I
speaker-2: struggle with double vision necessarily
speaker-0: They're not necessarily like
speaker-2: trusting my pro like s I
speaker-1: It's a
speaker-2: I sometimes don't trust because I do feel like I'm missing things or I'm second guessing. So then that just adds a layer of anxiety to driving I mean that I've never used to have. So Basically all of this stuff to get like Yeah. It's hard for me to just pinpoint one. Can you tell me autistic and I they say we're black and white, but we really just want more information so we can just tell you five thousand things.
speaker-1: No, I I don't think so. I think there's a lot there's a lot of things going on with like all these. So you know, to describe seven symptoms and succinctly is not easy. So
speaker-2: I've had a lot of practice.
speaker-0: Yeah.
speaker-1: Yeah. but yeah, so like you're saying like double vision is it it's not like fan of the
speaker-2: It's not Yeah, it's sometimes it's almost like I would describe it back when we used to have film or like exposure, it almost looks like a a f a hologram photo effect. it only it usually just it it lasts and then kind of fades, I guess, once my eyes fix themselves.
speaker-1: Right. So once they are aligned, right, and they're looking at the same spot, that that is where people I think say that these are like four K because they've never been able Here. And then with your other symptoms, right? Yeah. Let's say you know they all go away, great. We've pinpointed a major cause of what's leading to these. Yeah. Whether your eyes are causing it because of your condition or I'm not the doctor to say that. But if it works, amazing, you'll probably end up getting a few pairs of these. If not, we've ruled it out. And now can go see a different specialist and say, Hey, I've tried this, I've given it a fair shot. Yeah. but our return rate's four percent. So when people Yeah. And we back it up.
speaker-2: That's what they were saying. Hopefully. I I feel like I'm a good candidate. if you can take a glass one. So this is just a simulation. Okay. Don't move it too much. Okay. The point five prison. What what's the prison we got this time?
speaker-1: Point six, point eight.
speaker-2: Yeah. How does it feel? I mean aside from how it feels the doctor get a basic look. It's weird. But better I can't describe it. So so so that's gonna be seamless.
speaker-1: Yeah.
speaker-2: It's like when you right here, it's like it's not quite like when you went from standard definition to high definition, but sort of. Like everything's just like it's like we put a tiny outline on everything. Everything's just a little better. Everything's a little crisper? Yeah, yeah.
speaker-0: Two pairs of glasses. I have regular glasses and a pair of sunnies. I'm keeping my Maui gyms. Those aren't gonna be Prism based, but as far as for outside, they work for what I need. So I decided to just try a pair of Prism sunglasses and the regulars. So yeah.
speaker-2: Here we go.
speaker-0: These, of course, arrived on the day I left for the conference. I knew that was gonna happen. I was really hoping I would have. had them before I went to the conference because then I would have been able to really tell people in person. Okay. one of my other real things I'm hoping will happen with these new glasses is that As I showed you earlier where I had these on and I had to move them around kind of because these are progressives that there's different prescriptions throughout. my glasses are always dirty because I'm always touching them because they're just never where I want them to be. And I gave up on getting adjustments because even with the adjustments, like anyway, so these are the old ones. Look, you can see how dirty they are now. Nasty. Alright, these are my new friends. Are you pretty? And you can get these as far as I know. I have the neural lens is what the actual lens is, but I think they can go in any frames. don't quote me on that. Shit.
speaker-2: So
speaker-0: I I don't have words for how this I'm getting chills right now. It's I don't have to move I don't have to I can see myself at the distance just a minute ago that I said I could not. Okay. I n I need to c I almost don't believe this. Let's try again. I can sort of see myself okay. Like right now without any corrective lenses on, it's what I would expect to see. Now it's blurrier and worse. Wow. Fucking wow. Okay, so these are my regular glasses. And another thing that I is different from my previous frames, and I don't know a lot about frames, but my op top op optician. The these are a little bit bigger. She said I had big eyes, and I do, so I needed bigger frame size. So I like these. I'm very pleased. I wish they did not cost me the thousands of dollars that they did but you know what if if this is gonna solve a lot of the problems with me doing things that I want to do then that's worth it. And now I'm just gonna try to figure out how to make things like this accessible to everyone who would benefit. Alright, so I did get a new pair of sunglasses. My Maui gyms are black, like the darkest you can get because light sensitivity which also goes a binocular vision dysfunction diagnosis but I decided to get something fun and fashionable because while I did have to pay a lot for the neural lens frame neural lens lenses my frame insurance was pretty sweet so I'm gonna be fancy I have a pair of Gucci's these are my new Gucci sunglasses with the Neuralens frames
speaker-1: Yeah.
speaker-0: That's nice. That looks this is nice. You know what's nice about these versus the Maui gyms? Is that sometimes I do have to wear my Maui gyms inside because it is a little bit too bright, but because they're so dark, I struggle like they're almost too dark. These are gonna be great inside glasses.
speaker-2: Okay.
speaker-0: So alright. five stars for Neuralins, except for the price. But I understand it. But hopefully as more people learn about it and the technology is there, prices will come down and or insurance companies will realize the value in people being able to see. All right. Feel free to ask me or any of us any questions about anything you see on the show. And it's just our names at hacking hypermobility.com or you could do info at hacking hypermobility dot com. Tell a friend about us. Tell your cat. All right. We'll see you in two weeks, we hope. Okay. Bye.
speaker-2: Yeah.
speaker-1: Yeah.
speaker-2: I mean.
speaker-0: in the morning, I've pretty much chosen that that's what my eyes are gonna be able to focus on for the entire day because if later in the day I decide I want to do something that requires a longer distance focus, like watch T V, garden, you name it, the eye strain and just unbearable. And so that is why over the last several years many people might have noticed that my presence digitally or as far as being able to maintain an electronic relationship with someone if it required me to interact on a screen a lot with texting or even just sometimes even just talking. I I just couldn't even look at a screen. And actually right now I'm so excited to try on these new glasses because I'm wearing my glasses for the effect of this video. But I actually cannot see myself very well at all because the distance that I'm currently sitting at, like if I wanna see well I like by watching this video, I would need to be like this. And that's not the way it's supposed to be. Okay. So we're gonna go through the whole watch me go through this process of finding out the exact prescription of the lenses that I'm about to try on. And just in trying on the little test thingies that they set up at the appointment which would match my prescription that they determined I needed was insane. Like I remember when we first went to high definition televisions and like when you went back to a standard definition show, we were like, That looks like crap. That's what it looks like. So all right. Now let's take a listen to how we got to here. My glasses.
speaker-2: Sorry, take off size here.
speaker-1: No, you leave my okay. Yep, so we're gonna take your prescription, it goes into it, so we're gonna make sure that's how you're using your eyes in those. Alright, so just guide that on for me.
speaker-2: really well, cartoon lady. Cartoon lady. Yeah. Welcome to the neural measurement experience. Please take a moment to get comfortable. When you're ready, press the start button by moving your head to position the white dotted and wait for it to turn green. The next thing we need to do is to make sure your headset is fitted properly with any hydro that is working. Use your hand to adjust the headband to properly Is it turned green when it's in proper? Okay, 'cause I have my reaction is also black. There we go. so close. There we go. No. There
speaker-1: Yeah.
speaker-2: we go. Hey, how do you jump? Next, keep your head still and follow this blue dot in just around. Is the blue dot supposed to get blurry? No. cool. Okay. Adjust or touch the headset. I will do my best and sit on my hands. Throughout the exam, you will see a scale of market. Stare at its center and ignore everything else. During the exam, you can work as option if you need to. But keep your Yeah. Very clear instructions. I like that.
speaker-1: Just the yellow dot that's all you're doing.
speaker-2: Yeah.
speaker-1: See how far she is.
speaker-2: It has like their the screen of of his computer has all of the steps that you're doing right now. really? Yeah, it has the modules. Okay, they're like man. This is cool. How
speaker-0: And it's showing
speaker-2: much percentage there is. I think that's around like thirty something percent?
speaker-1: Thirty days.
speaker-2: Yep. right. Fake hand. Interesting.
speaker-1: Remember, keep your eyes on the center of the top. Try and last part.
speaker-2: is really cool. Now I'm just wondering what it looks like. You'll see. Mmm, run me. I'm next. Well, if I didn't know I had
speaker-1: We can edit those.
speaker-2: Yeah. I'm sure it's pretty related. The green lines you are seeing indicate where your eyes should be aligned with viewing digital devices, like Sparkle. Red lines indicate new lines. The mismatch between the red and green lines indicates that your eyes may be struggling to comfortably align throughout the day. This puts strain on the largest nerve in your head, leading to pain and potentially causing neck pain or other indicated symptoms. Your results have been quite awful. Thank you, computer lady.
speaker-1: Her name is Lindsay.
speaker-2: Thanks, Lindsay. Lindsay, I love that.
speaker-1: Welcome back.
speaker-2: Thank you. That is super cool.
speaker-1: Yeah.
speaker-2: Ready to switch off? Alright, it's my turn.
speaker-1: This machine is gonna wash my glasses. And your person who gives a
speaker-2: Carolyn C A R O L Y N
speaker-1: You would think the sales raft would have a little bit more better name.
speaker-2: You talk about that like
speaker-1: Th there's like twenty people here meeting. okay, so yeah, we could probably do it without yours because you do have a pretty low script. It's a little different but it'll get a better
speaker-2: Kimmy, you'll get to see my eyes being crazy in
speaker-0: So that machine confirmed that I have issues.
speaker-1: It confirmed that you have convergence insufficiency. Okay. And then we'll talk about your symptoms. Okay. And then the doctor obviously had this conversation about Yeah, yeah. But just to kinda see like is this correlated? the good news is the product's guaranteed, so if it doesn't work, you can correct. I think, yeah. Yeah.
speaker-2: Yeah,
speaker-0: Standard.
speaker-2: Yeah, yeah. my god.
speaker-0: Right.
speaker-2: Isn't she cute? Isn't Lindsay cute?
speaker-1: Very helpful.
speaker-2: character snap. Inside a platform.
speaker-0: With the emotion and
speaker-2: Yeah. I got things working. Yeah, this took me.
speaker-0: But hey, now I understand why slightly c or
speaker-2: All of my nails work like f before.
speaker-0: I would I was doing like a DIY prompt.
speaker-2: And stuff.
speaker-0: I would use a level like it would be fifty.
speaker-2: times I would it's like it's level, it's level and my inner one
speaker-0: Would my husband?
speaker-2: coming and he's like, It's just off. He's like, What are you doing? I'm like, the level said so and he's like Yeah
speaker-1: Don't set your
speaker-2: now I
speaker-0: I under now it all makes sense.
speaker-2: will not lend you.
speaker-1: It impacts people differently, but we have self-dicked reading speed. During the so you know, if your eyes are looking at something different, your moves dust slightly at the end of the day your eyes are tired, they're not lining up exactly with
speaker-2: That explains why I would say.
speaker-1: Anger or you're losing your place and you're not
speaker-2: Yeah.
speaker-1: Contract your nuts.
speaker-0: I struggle with that a lot and I struggled with
speaker-2: Looking at petri dishes right now.
speaker-0: Yeah.
speaker-2: okay. It's really hard 'cause I really want to look at the other
speaker-0: I know. The the eighty eight.
speaker-2: H D is strong in this family. Yeah. I just want to know what they are. It's great. Well, so here's the thing. This that I'm experiencing diagnosed with A
speaker-0: Condition, like all of these things, I didn't get diagnosed. I found out I was autistic, which my son was diagnosed when he was five you know, over the years.
speaker-2: So I was kinda like a low hand, but I don't think
speaker-0: All of these things kind of run in a pack and it's it's anytime I find anything new that is I'm experiencing and then I read like conditions or like gin 'cause I've had my whole genome done too. I'll look and I'll be like
speaker-2: Shouldn't it?
speaker-1: Yeah.
speaker-2: What do you think, ma'am? It's kinda scary. I feel
speaker-1: Doing good, I must have.
speaker-2: like I'm an avoid. Well done. Aww, thank you, Lindsay. I'm looking at it. there we go. There we go.
speaker-0: Not cool.
speaker-2: For the motion sickness question, I'm giving it a th I'm giving it a four because it's just happened recently. Started so recently. Well, I finalized your test result. Let me show you. The green lines you are seeing indicate where your eyes should be aligned from you and The red lines indicate the alignment where your eyes are most comfortable during In this sense, between the red and green line indicates that your eyes may be struggling to comfortably align throughout the day. This puts strain on the largest nerve in your head, leading to pain and potentially causing eye strain and your other indicated symptoms. Your results have been finalized and shared with your eye doctor. Yay, thank you, Lindsay. You may now take the histadol and return your spray. Thank you. Goodbye, Lensay.
speaker-1: Yes.
speaker-2: Sweet, do I have the goggle lines?
speaker-1: Yeah. I tightened it. I I kind of it doesn't
speaker-2: no, yeah.
speaker-0: So with the connected tissue to
speaker-2: I just have impressionable skin.
speaker-1: really?
speaker-0: Well that's one of the things.
speaker-1: Just wanted to make sure we got a good one.
speaker-2: yeah.
speaker-0: I'd rather yeah.
speaker-1: How would you like to go about this?
speaker-0: I don't know. What Is that s can we look can I look at the screen here? Yeah. Okay, so I'll come over and stand and look at the screen. Are you gonna show me stuff?
speaker-2: Sure.
speaker-1: So you can go through either result or both results.
speaker-2: Trevor Burrus, I mean let's we're so
speaker-0: On this one.
speaker-2: let's do Carolyn. Sure. Yeah.
speaker-1: Alright, so basically what we're doing in that test is we are looking to see how far your foras drift out at distance and then again at near. Ninety percent of people their eyes drift out, they have larger foras at near, they're more exo at near. So what that basically means is your eyes rest slightly out at distance, and then when you go down, they're out even more. So if you're trying to focus, and we have like examples here, so when you're looking at a TV. Your natural eye position is here. So when you want to focus on that, you have to pull it in with your eye muscles. So if you're doing let's say two pound weights, right? You can hold them for 30 seconds, you can hold them for a couple minutes, you hold them for 30, 60, you know, all day long. Not only are your arms gonna hurt, shoulders are gonna hurt, neck's gonna hurt, back's gonna hurt, gonna tense up.
speaker-2: I'm a painter.
speaker-1: And you might Yeah.
speaker-0: Yeah, this one's an artist. So
speaker-1: So that's your T V, but then when we go to your reading, it's twice as dramatic. Wow. So basically you're off the screen. what there's nothing, you know, wrong with you. This is actually like very common. And
speaker-0: That explains why my I always hold things so far away.
speaker-1: Yeah. So you like it you know, you've corrected your accommodation with being able to see clearly, as far as we can using standard lenses, but in terms of like lining them up. I've actually had people return these because they said their vision was like four K, it was too good. I was like, All right, well sorry, I think. But Okay.
speaker-0: I'm sorry we c
speaker-2: Did your mission so well?
speaker-1: Yeah. which is, you know, teach their own. But basically here, when you're looking at if this was that tablet, right, you're using I'm not gonna use that. Let's use an actual tablet. So you're here, your eyes wanna be out here, so like this is not a comfortable position. We've only been using screens for X amount of years, right?
speaker-0: Yeah. Right, yeah, our bodies aren't designed for that.
speaker-1: And more recently it's dramatic. So the average employee, I think it's in the US, is ninety-seven hours a week. They're using screens because that's not only at the office, but then they're screens.
speaker-0: And they go home and get on screen.
speaker-1: Right. And so you're just doing this you're you're looking at an area you're not evolved to look into and now your eyes are overworked. Yeah. So there's a mismatch and where you're landing. So That can result in a number of symptoms. So basically when you go to your doctor, let's say you were here, we don't, you know, with the average patient, like all this stuff's important and it'll go into your prescription. but what we really want to know is what's going on here. So like we can go with your neck pain, how long have you had neck pain for?
speaker-0: I mean, we didn't really start having a conversation about your chronic pain till you were maybe middle school.
speaker-2: eighth grade. Yeah, I'd say like my neck pain like when I would like wake up and like general use of my muscles and everything was probably when I turned like 15. Yeah. When like my puberty was slowing down a little bit. Yeah.
speaker-1: Okay. is it often?
speaker-2: Yeah, 'cause also I have like I have paw punching issues. So it's just kinda like this entire area of my body is just kind of work.
speaker-1: But that's a pretty com we don't we don't index for that. We don't have clinical studies on TM but they tend to
speaker-2: This is so cool.
speaker-1: they tend to run in a handed pain. so your neck pain is it like here and then down behind your shoulder?
speaker-0: Hang co hanger.
speaker-2: It's like a it's coat hanger but also like here and like a cock of
speaker-1: Like sheets up the back.
speaker-2: my head.
speaker-0: So I also have been diagnosed with cervical dystonia and I actually started getting Botox treatments in here. 'Cause I also have disc degeneration. I'm I'm really avoiding neck surgery because but that has actually helped stabilize, which has reduced some of my neck strain, but I still have like I don't quite have the neck pain this one has 'cause it's one of the stuff.
speaker-2: of studio painting like constantly.
speaker-1: So you're constantly in your Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right.
speaker-2: I was doing that.
speaker-1: Okay. So and what do you do to manage the
speaker-2: well for one since I'm not on like screens a lot when I when I paint, because I'm normally listening to music. I normally give my eyes a break by s by standing far away from what I'm doing. Yep. Cause that also it's it also helps when you're when you're creating 'cause you look at it and you're like, this looks really weird. But I don't really know what. So when you step back and then you're like, this, this and this are weird. So Oftentimes when I'm at school I do have less eye strain, unless I'm reading. Yes.
speaker-1: So it's not and it's not it's a not I think you know this, but it's not just the screens, it's just the distance revolution. Yeah. So
speaker-0: So
speaker-2: Like I've like my pad I've had my laptop like all the way back here, like leaning back so I'm just like
speaker-0: That's what I do too. And that's part of why I bought this little contraption here, because when I could have my phone, but I could have my phone away
speaker-2: Right.
speaker-0: from me in order to like view.
speaker-1: Which makes sense, right? Because that's easier for you. all right. And then what about like your your motion sickness?
speaker-2: So that really recently started. it was like it's like within the last six months
speaker-1: months.
speaker-2: it started. I was in my friend's stick shift car and I was sitting in the front seat and I was overwhelmed by nausea that that I had to have a like a van
speaker-1: Mm-hmm.
speaker-2: in the car 'cause I was like actively trying not to break. And you've so and I had never had motion sickness in my life.
speaker-0: say you never I was I always would have like
speaker-2: No.
speaker-0: I would get sick I I would either I would be better driving or in the front seat and I couldn't read or do anything. I'd have to kind of have the in my sight line. But like other vehicles were fine. Like I never got Initially. But like airplanes were fine, trains
speaker-2: I started getting motion sick while I drive.
speaker-0: That is new and not good.
speaker-2: Yeah. So like I would like we were in like we were in Pittsburgh one time and that's when first noticed it with the hills and everything and how like
speaker-0: Roll it, yeah.
speaker-2: everything is and I was like It was like a thirty minute drive, so I was kinda suffering back there. And with like older cars, also like they're not as smooth. They're not as smooth either. That but like it normally happens when I'm on like when I'm on like really twisty, windy roads. It's
speaker-0: Yeah well yeah.
speaker-2: not like so it's not just
speaker-0: From what I'm gathering here, you w eyes wanna focus further out, but you can't 'cause you wanna know where you're going, so it's closer in with the curves. I don't know.
speaker-1: You've got peripheral stimulation. So you're doing these little movements. Yeah, like when you look left to right, your eyes shut off about three times and you don't really notice it. So each time they're doing a a line, a line, a line. so basically what would happen with these lenses is you want to be here and here, for example, and here. instead of you doing this work, we've just calculated exactly where you need to be for both. Okay. So you'll s you'll sit. Where are you most common? So it's you're not doing that work at
speaker-2: I don't have to like move around. 'Cause I also do this game a lot. 'Cause I have so I'm also lit.
speaker-1: So the thing with progressive is that so this measurement here, years lower actually.
speaker-0: But the
speaker-2: Prescription's stronger than mine, too.
speaker-1: Your forears, I'm sorry. So which these lenses, you know, sometimes people think like, they have to be very exo for this to work or for them to have to be working so hard. We're just as effective treating a.8 basin, which is your your prism amount is half of hers. basically, or more than half.
speaker-2: You're more master.
speaker-1: But what's interesting is like you're saying the progressives are really difficult. So
speaker-0: Because I'm finding that
speaker-2: But that's because I'm trying to accommodate the distance because I want to when I'm reading hold it at the computer distance. And so then I have to like do this game to get the reading part at the computer distance. Does that make sense?
speaker-1: Yeah, and there's a lot of you know, I'm sure you're in premium lenses which I yeah.
speaker-2: Apparently I have like
speaker-1: And most they work on most people. Okay. But we there are people that can be called progressive non adapts, which it sounds like you've fought to make them work, but you're constantly
speaker-2: Yeah. That's why I don't re like these things have been sat on and and I don't even bring them in for adjustments.
speaker-0: Because whatever adjustment you're gonna have to like
speaker-2: We'll do that anyway. So I'm
speaker-1: So what we're saying for yours is you're also looking out at distance, not as much far.
speaker-2: Not as far.
speaker-1: Yep. And then at near same, not as far. Okay. The thing that is interesting though with your progressives, when you get down to that add part in the lens, that magnification naturally pushes you out even more. So you do it it's so you got a two point seven, right? Okay. Distance. But then when you put that add power in there, it goes to a 10. So and that's just a calculation that we have. So that means you go from here and then the add pushes further. So a lot of people, when they're going down the lens, they can't find the spot because they then have to do the additional work.
speaker-2: I mean I I'm how often do I actually hold things closer? I think I hold things closer than you. I tend to try to get things farther away from you actually. Because like I feel like my my natural phone position is right is right. My natural phone position is like right is like right here. Yeah, it's not very far away. I ca I I can't do one of my shoulders or fix now mostly, but I still the strain, but like I would always try to be like
speaker-1: Yes. So there's also one more thing that we picked up in your test that we didn't in yours. So this is compensatory convergence response. Observe patient may have accovia-adjusted eye position during testing, which can mask their true fork posture. so at that point basically what we're saying is in the test you're trying to fight the test. So you may have your eye is supposed your left eye is covered. Yeah. So your right eye's looking at that yellow dot and your left eye's gonna drift out to where it's most comfortable or it's a natural position, you're automatically fighting that. So y you may have like conditioned yourself or like trained your visual system to do that. So we'll sometimes see it in like vision therapy patients or with doctors who are very astute at, you know, knowing what's going on. so
speaker-0: When I was controlling my breathing that time on the polygon.
speaker-1: So what we're saying is we got a measurement for you at point eight. Okay. But it could you could handle additional prism. Okay. good news is with this lens is that we'll pr we'll fill you for your prescription. We can have the doctor double check. but this is just a diagnostic. So they're gonna start with this value. Most of the time they do prescribe right right at it or right near it. Okay. what I would say is that y if you start to wear this lens, you're like, I can I can settle into it, but I'm not getting the relief I think I could get. We can always increase that. Okay. So you have ninety days of unlimited remakes to get that. Okay. so you might end up at like a two point five or something, right? Okay. But we would start you here. we can do trial prism if Doctor Winnie is time. When I look at yours So your right this is Carolyn's right eye during the test. Yeah. Right along that the yellow dot is right down the center. Yeah. Her eye drifts out. Right? That's at distance. And then at near, it's like double. Wow. my god. But she's the right eye stays right here. And then we get what it was supposed to do. And then we double check it here for both eyes. Okay.
speaker-0: Wait so my right eyes just calm, just calm.
speaker-1: Yours yours your exo but your the f the pattern that we see with like the eye tracking is pretty straightforward or like normal looking I guess regular more frequently that we see that. With yours you kind of struggled. So you start out here and then you start to pull it in and then see you and then you lose your posture.
speaker-2: yeah.
speaker-1: So you're kind of fighting it a little bit. So we can remeasure you and then I can also the doc would probably just do like trial prism or something.
speaker-2: Okay.
speaker-1: But we can always tweak it until we get it right.
speaker-0: Yeah, I mean anything will be better than what I'm doing.
speaker-2: Yeah.
speaker-1: what's the symptom you're like dying to fix here? You got all
speaker-2: I mean, not not all of those are related necessarily to my eye condition because I mean I have autonomic issues too which can trigger any of those things too. So mostly I just wanna feel I'm sorry, I just wanna feel like I can be comfortable doing some work. Like I I feel like right now I spend so much brain power like figuring out how my workstation's gonna how I'm gonna the day and also have a second option for when I need to like adjust it based on whatever. So just cutting out twenty minutes of that crap because
speaker-1: Yeah, absolutely.
speaker-2: you know but the light light sensitivity is probably my worst issue because it prevents me from driving most places because like night driving I can't really do because I have the astigmatism and then I'm just so so sensitive. Like I almost want to put on my sunglasses now in here. And then during the day if it's too sunny, that is a struggle. Or if it's like cloudy but too much glare. Like it's just it's so and because some I
speaker-0: I
speaker-2: struggle with double vision necessarily
speaker-0: They're not necessarily like
speaker-2: trusting my pro like s I
speaker-1: It's a
speaker-2: I sometimes don't trust because I do feel like I'm missing things or I'm second guessing. So then that just adds a layer of anxiety to driving I mean that I've never used to have. So Basically all of this stuff to get like Yeah. It's hard for me to just pinpoint one. Can you tell me autistic and I they say we're black and white, but we really just want more information so we can just tell you five thousand things.
speaker-1: No, I I don't think so. I think there's a lot there's a lot of things going on with like all these. So you know, to describe seven symptoms and succinctly is not easy. So
speaker-2: I've had a lot of practice.
speaker-0: Yeah.
speaker-1: Yeah. but yeah, so like you're saying like double vision is it it's not like fan of the
speaker-2: It's not Yeah, it's sometimes it's almost like I would describe it back when we used to have film or like exposure, it almost looks like a a f a hologram photo effect. it only it usually just it it lasts and then kind of fades, I guess, once my eyes fix themselves.
speaker-1: Right. So once they are aligned, right, and they're looking at the same spot, that that is where people I think say that these are like four K because they've never been able Here. And then with your other symptoms, right? Yeah. Let's say you know they all go away, great. We've pinpointed a major cause of what's leading to these. Yeah. Whether your eyes are causing it because of your condition or I'm not the doctor to say that. But if it works, amazing, you'll probably end up getting a few pairs of these. If not, we've ruled it out. And now can go see a different specialist and say, Hey, I've tried this, I've given it a fair shot. Yeah. but our return rate's four percent. So when people Yeah. And we back it up.
speaker-2: That's what they were saying. Hopefully. I I feel like I'm a good candidate. if you can take a glass one. So this is just a simulation. Okay. Don't move it too much. Okay. The point five prison. What what's the prison we got this time?
speaker-1: Point six, point eight.
speaker-2: Yeah. How does it feel? I mean aside from how it feels the doctor get a basic look. It's weird. But better I can't describe it. So so so that's gonna be seamless.
speaker-1: Yeah.
speaker-2: It's like when you right here, it's like it's not quite like when you went from standard definition to high definition, but sort of. Like everything's just like it's like we put a tiny outline on everything. Everything's just a little better. Everything's a little crisper? Yeah, yeah.
speaker-0: Two pairs of glasses. I have regular glasses and a pair of sunnies. I'm keeping my Maui gyms. Those aren't gonna be Prism based, but as far as for outside, they work for what I need. So I decided to just try a pair of Prism sunglasses and the regulars. So yeah.
speaker-2: Here we go.
speaker-0: These, of course, arrived on the day I left for the conference. I knew that was gonna happen. I was really hoping I would have. had them before I went to the conference because then I would have been able to really tell people in person. Okay. one of my other real things I'm hoping will happen with these new glasses is that As I showed you earlier where I had these on and I had to move them around kind of because these are progressives that there's different prescriptions throughout. my glasses are always dirty because I'm always touching them because they're just never where I want them to be. And I gave up on getting adjustments because even with the adjustments, like anyway, so these are the old ones. Look, you can see how dirty they are now. Nasty. Alright, these are my new friends. Are you pretty? And you can get these as far as I know. I have the neural lens is what the actual lens is, but I think they can go in any frames. don't quote me on that. Shit.
speaker-2: So
speaker-0: I I don't have words for how this I'm getting chills right now. It's I don't have to move I don't have to I can see myself at the distance just a minute ago that I said I could not. Okay. I n I need to c I almost don't believe this. Let's try again. I can sort of see myself okay. Like right now without any corrective lenses on, it's what I would expect to see. Now it's blurrier and worse. Wow. Fucking wow. Okay, so these are my regular glasses. And another thing that I is different from my previous frames, and I don't know a lot about frames, but my op top op optician. The these are a little bit bigger. She said I had big eyes, and I do, so I needed bigger frame size. So I like these. I'm very pleased. I wish they did not cost me the thousands of dollars that they did but you know what if if this is gonna solve a lot of the problems with me doing things that I want to do then that's worth it. And now I'm just gonna try to figure out how to make things like this accessible to everyone who would benefit. Alright, so I did get a new pair of sunglasses. My Maui gyms are black, like the darkest you can get because light sensitivity which also goes a binocular vision dysfunction diagnosis but I decided to get something fun and fashionable because while I did have to pay a lot for the neural lens frame neural lens lenses my frame insurance was pretty sweet so I'm gonna be fancy I have a pair of Gucci's these are my new Gucci sunglasses with the Neuralens frames
speaker-1: Yeah.
speaker-0: That's nice. That looks this is nice. You know what's nice about these versus the Maui gyms? Is that sometimes I do have to wear my Maui gyms inside because it is a little bit too bright, but because they're so dark, I struggle like they're almost too dark. These are gonna be great inside glasses.
speaker-2: Okay.
speaker-0: So alright. five stars for Neuralins, except for the price. But I understand it. But hopefully as more people learn about it and the technology is there, prices will come down and or insurance companies will realize the value in people being able to see. All right. Feel free to ask me or any of us any questions about anything you see on the show. And it's just our names at hacking hypermobility.com or you could do info at hacking hypermobility dot com. Tell a friend about us. Tell your cat. All right. We'll see you in two weeks, we hope. Okay. Bye.
speaker-2: Yeah.
speaker-1: Yeah.
