AI, Cybersecurity and Leadership: What Leaders Need to Know

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[SPEAKER_02]: we live behind so fast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Look at AI right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know a lot of social work quitting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're having a lot of mental because of AI pressure coming in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or why?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or because?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just still here today with a great bemey and I'm just a see-so, a board member of the U-Sensee so advisory, and I say that right, I'm gonna just pass over to this great man today to just himself talk about who he is and I can't, can't wait to ask what the question is now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so, um, Bemi, um, if you, well, let's become the announcement coming Shola.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Shola?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're coming Bemi, don't really know me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You probably find an internet or a link to know something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're coming Shola, then you know some of the announcement.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know me directly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because that's number one two.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've been industry for over 25 years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've done, um, basically, and there are three, 16, all in guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Energy globally.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I started, I came out, I went to University of Houston.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was one of the tendos selected when NASA started the old cyber-offensive defense, the one selected in Texas, did that for a while, before GPs became GPS, we used to work out of our company called Duke Energy, right now in South Carolina, every Tuesday and Wednesday, you have CIA with the like 20 trucks, every Tuesday we do not live programming looking to
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'll tell you a quick story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So my first day on the job, I'll be fine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My first day will be fine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Shopping the office.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The same in this ugly, big old laptop.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the page.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So my boss called me and he said, can you go out and tell me what that looks like?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought they'd turn to go to office, but that was a strange request.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, okay, so I embarked in the other college phone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I went to the driveway and looked up and looked like the sky is clear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a commanding.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I went in and got to my queue and my picture was sitting right there from the sky.
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[SPEAKER_01]: picture.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I picture with my foot the phone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, so basically what we're doing back then is that there's something called this is civil engineering that's why he's going to extend right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You call your marapples when you lay pipes across the globe there's a marapples you have to go physically to lay that marapples.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No exactly where to turn the direction of the pressure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So with the known technology by then before it became popular right now, they're going to the GPA, the system of the satellite, learning to the ground, into a superimpact pipe going around all over the place.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They can change the direction of the pipe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: On the pipe is going all, they know when it's going old, and they put another pipe around it for the other one out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so so we have come here a lot of partners.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I share my company in the market and this book I make a lot of money I mean nasty money.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's what we're doing globally and it's still going on right now I thought it was like automated process that it switches.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, it became from minor to augmented process
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we have software, they put in play and our software also goes a little bit a lot of office and defense, you have to hack into it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a program what to call a e-prime, you know what, not e-prime, it's a macro chips.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So e-prime is a macro chips.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Before we begin robotic, I was in F16 cockpit programming.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What is, I think I have the knowledge just so great, we have to ask some questions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would give you, I would give you that, so when I say I'm often often different for NASA.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not so big different companies to do all these things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: BP macrosystems, Duke energy, the list goes on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And before it became what it is today, we actually didn't alcohol, alcohol, e-prong, not copcax programming.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Where you go from Moonboss, C, C++.
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[SPEAKER_02]: VB, I mean Glyz goes on, I mean Python, put everything together and make the finger go up and down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So doing all those actually exposes me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I did computer engineering, I did virtual engineering.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I did my MBA and I did my executive MBA as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So all that came together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, back then, I was told one thing that which my mentor says, every year there's about 40,000 employees for the engineer that comes out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're not technology-solving.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's equally this for the 1,000 IT guys, they're not engineering-solving.
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[SPEAKER_02]: As it will change, those things are coming together to be in the market, to be unique, to be needed into our books.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I went out of my way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When I was a year of age, I was looking at MIT curriculum and I was picking on that myself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Self learning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's to myself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Going to everyone has the help of the involves team and everything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So.
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[SPEAKER_00]: determination.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and how did you I know you're working the oil and guys I know you talked early and so you've been to multiple country Can you tell us about that experience how did that take you to Saudi Arabia Dubai Russia?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because that's That's a lot of experience in different countries and I know that kind of made you who you are today in the way that you're not working in the Houston area
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so yeah, so good question.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was very shy coming up Coming out of college still programming for customer my pretty much not own rain So one of my old boss.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's Chinese actually She's been a big mistake by kind of like under it to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she told me that you were too green.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like me green There's no way I'm green.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I will show you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I became a boss boss.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's how you do it
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[SPEAKER_02]: And what that means is that so I was told that when you're working in corporate America, if an executive tap you're going to show it to take on your role, don't have us in no.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll call.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you said no, it'd be the end of you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I'll always say, okay, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can always come back later on and try to learn because everybody's dying to die for the opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, my people are playing for the opportunity, but when they tap you, you say yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They'll help you, they'll send you to school, they'll do everything, if they tap you, they're ready to invest in you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But once I say, no, you lose all that completely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that might be the only chance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Some of the glitches, and that's what happened to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One day I was at work late, and I was called by this CFO.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or by the way, he would like to take on this global role.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was waiting for all the buttons back then.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The first black global gym, all the buttons history, ever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, they do like to take this role, I will scale that as hell.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, okay, and this I will see you next morning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And meanwhile, I was applying for a genomic genomic role before I was getting denied by my boss.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now lady, and look at her, look at her, look at her shows on the vacation on the cruise I fell sideways and Italy for like two or three weeks, so she will start out there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But time she got back, I was in the gun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when she came back and she walked to the conference room, she saw me in the comments and then down there said, what are you doing here, and one of the other lady that doesn't like her, said, need to get it memo, that means the new.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I'll have another look back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that experience took me to a pretty much, so to be a global yout of international experience, they'll tell you when someone is somewhere in Russia, and most people tend to get to comfortable, when they get to a certain stage in the career, and I also never get comfortable always stay on the screen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because there's a lot of people in line where it's taken your job, don't do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you can do it, disguise the limits.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I was still to head to go to St. Petersburg in Russia, so you had to pick up Russia?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So you know, you speak Russia?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I know it's a big Russia, but I'm an assembly resource worker.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and...
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[SPEAKER_03]: And now, in Russia, you know, I don't know, it was Rusmos.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's in Facebook, but the company you talked about was Alibutin.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Alibutin, okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, how was the difference in terms of, I know, is all oil and gas, but the policies that they have prayed different from Saudi Arabia, different from both.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it more of a culture of things?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I did, I did Russia, I did Saudi,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I did Buenos Aires, different culture, different language, I speak multiple languages by the way, so that also helps.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was the framework of the framework, because I know implementing security is different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's different, so I know what can I say earlier.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In my role, today's CSO, we have to know everything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You descent out point off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: operation, HSC, supply chain, bought, everybody's calling you and you have to give an answer within 2-3 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you have to be the right answer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you're always working, you're always educating yourself, and I know every single framework can think of.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Why is it like me?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the thing is that, so the circuit is the, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm always on, on the podcast on my phone, my phone or my car.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I download all this ebook from work and this is like a music.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The earlier you attack, the better it is for you and the more you can do the mapping, it makes life easier.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, if I come to the, like, I'm working for right now with global company, the framework in Norway and France is different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Framework in Europe is, and Colombia is different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, meanwhile, I guess for Avivesso, that goes around the globe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When the vessel gets in Colombia, it can be said, I want to rip everything off and apply this framework.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And most people like, oh, that might take me two, three years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can do that within a week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I've done the mapping globally.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know what framework, what it is, what matches and everything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, um, I think it's a lot of questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm very intrigued.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't think it's a good question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, how are you able to, you know, figure out?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This framework matches with this framework, and this country uses this framework with this one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you know, like, I use an AI, I would say, so people talk about AI.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So part of what I'm going to do, I'm a vice chef for instance, it's all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, both to God now, I'm looking for my God now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: God now, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you guys close God.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was talking to one of my one of his boss boss.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just made with her as the until it two weeks ago The list goes on to your question.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So at some point everybody was looking for frameworks They didn't help to do the developers framework Instead of sitting down there different welcome to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I jumped.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I hit and helped them develop the framework
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[SPEAKER_02]: I saw like the list, if you go to US or deal your website and type C to M2, send my name all over it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I will then tile all in gas framework.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So when you do that, Norwegian, they talk to each other, they say, how do you guys design this from with this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, there's a guy, online guys that have helped us and they will also reach out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You try, we sit down with them, you show them how to do it, so when it comes up, when they actually come out, I already know what's behind it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I get a call from the CLI, oh yeah, we have there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like no one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Are you sure?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No way it's coming to us as a globally.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I know it's behind the we're good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you might need it all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Me and on the boards, you're an advisor for this and that, you still have your organization.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm always working.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know how many of you, I do, I'm fine, if I tell you, if I show you myself on, you must do it, you've been shocked.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think so of this, you kind of have to make it fun in a to enjoy what you do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, that's what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't look at it, I'm sleeping, I'm like I'm having fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So before today, I've been in Tokyo, I've been in Thailand.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've been in Thailand basically, just put it in the map.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Before today, I'm supposed to be in every course this week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But that's like guys, time out, and in some rest.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I was in Tokyo, I was in Thailand, I was playing with the tigers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: taking pictures.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But even when I'm dead, I'm still picking people with brain people coming to me because I also have them out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They reach out to me I was well for information.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was going to lead out to my next question.
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[SPEAKER_03]: As a leader as a CSU, what are requirements that people who are, your leadership?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What are those requirements that require for me?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What are some of the requirements that
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've never, this is our first, I think you're our first CSO on the platform so far.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, first we have to know the different kind of CSOs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the functional CSO, that's the technical CSO, that's the strategic CSO.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's it, that can do all three.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You have to know that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's better than the size of your company.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And where your company is doing the time you're working on CSO, you will be.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Functions is so you're just one of those old A, go here, B, go here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The technical system is like an architectural infrastructure, that's what they do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They sell it, they do that the system you need, whatever it is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's probably exists, or like I am, I talk a lot with the board.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So on the board itself, they are mostly CEOs of other companies and advise them individually, they're companies as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, this is a chain completely, you have to be very business of it, you have to understand where the companies sit, you can live a little bit and then change the company stock.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, that's only called TNK-8K, that's our company rigs profile that go to the SSC, now you're the tummy of your company stocks, I'm one of the riders for the company.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what that means is that I work closely with the general council, with the HSC treasury, supply chain, this goes on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So today everything you do is technology based.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If I buy a technology new technology they worldwide, if I get signed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have to be in part of the agreement.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, this is good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I'm checking everything before it's good connected.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I say, company US, US is as a mandate for US SSO that you must check everything you buy from a global.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It can come from sanctioned country.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it can come to call today and give me a software.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can guarantee you know, give me time in and I'll tell you what are the code.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Where's it coming from?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you already.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because you have to know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: In CIS, so you have to know your asset, when you know your asset, you know it can protect it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But asset, you talked about those sensors earlier, those will be considered asset, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everything from our location of your company worldwide, to what they're buying different places, from sensors on the draw shapes or on the final or the chemical plant.
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[SPEAKER_02]: For the pipe, there's big use.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The company that supply, you have to know the profile.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How about you have to also be aware of sanctions, what do you say?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Everything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I gave him what we know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean conferences, I'm speaking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm always constantly attending different events, talk to people, and we share information.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm in a global group where we are truly sharing information on non-stop every day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How does this information?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm so curious.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just asking.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How does information look like?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What a thing, what a quick question before I want.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it like the O and I suck my the oil and gas companies come to get and she does the bomb, that's the bomb, that's the bomb, very small part of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's a couple kicks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there are information that is, for example, a good one, so without saying too much, when the US and Iran was started, there are the inter that Iran is coming after a lot of US entity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Meanwhile, when he finally arrived, they went a lot after U.S. entity, they went after health, water, some online games company, right here in Texas.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I got your call from the botch has like, oh, what are we doing to make sure we're ready?
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're ready.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No worry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No worry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a issue.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I want to also present show.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what we did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what we're putting everything in place for these moments.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Would that, would that cool, like maybe, segulated, so like, peace blocked all that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Micro-segmentation, double-layer segmentation, uh, consumer dual, this goes on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And what that means, that, our big identity, so normally, when it's a segmentation, we're, we normally get it wrong as this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You have five hours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Every company, so I want to use Paolo, Zisco, 40 minutes, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you have a manufacturer company or a manufacturer company or you're doing anything manufacturing, that's your crown jewel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You make your money.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And as a bad guy, if I'm hacking, if you use far more from the edge or the way down, once I get past the first edge, I'm going straight down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But once you mix the match, it's a long time for them to give them a figure it out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's when I get, it's like working through that front door.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're trying to get to this door, where you get stuck between that front door and this door.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, different in depth, multiple secretaries.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that we need our first, we need our first door and this door.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's something that we have on the port.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, fixed stuff, you got that data, you get busy with it, and that's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So would you say like, we would you say like an organization that goes full Microsoft, everything Microsoft, that one's true.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So you have to leave like more time for some of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you kept it all, you're like in one basket.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Microsoft also had a lot of open source behind it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a very junk.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So let me, excuse me, let's start Microsoft, let me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I said this so think about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Microsoft come out with every, oh, let me take it back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's say you are, let's say this, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You have your, um, the call OEM system that used to build massive engine, whatever it is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't build your engine business Microsoft.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Although they used their OS behind you could be Windows XP could be Windows, whatever it is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I also come out with a new patches every Tuesday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Even though you used my Microsoft Windows 2026 or whatever, they said, I wasn't going to cut by just behind it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You mean to tell me, as I said this, I'm writing, I'm creating a solution of what beless of dollars.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like junk at every week and start from ground zero.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That takes me 10 years to build one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Think about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So now, what would I want to build my old business model on Microsoft then?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's be doing all that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're just an IT company, yeah, you can do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because you're writing code on Microsoft Windows.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of the cases.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're writing Microsoft Windows and everything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But if you're working for a large company that's a manufacturing or doing something, that's a crown jewel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You cannot be on the percent of Microsoft.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's in for trouble.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In terms of, you know, as a CSU, as a public position organization, what are you looking for for your direct reports in order for them to be able to perform their job duty?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'll tell you my team, I call them this watch team, but yes, because that's why I can sit here talking to you guys, no blow pressure or anything, crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody on my team, I'll tell you right now, I always say this, I will let you know my commandage, I'll let you do what you need to do, I need to do to be fearless.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when you gain trouble, let me know before I find out from other people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you do something great, you get the credits.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that allows them to be more open, able to continue to run.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when I said learning that, I mean that every year I challenge my look, I know last year you are, you, you, you, you, you, you, you know you have all this, you've learned all this, you know, that's coming here, you tell me what you think is next.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You need to be self-multiated.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That means you have to be a tenant of a corporate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because as a security operation, you cannot stay a high dome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you will live behind so fast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Look at AI right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know it's a lot of people who are quitting, who have been a lot of mental because of AI pressure coming in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or why?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or because they don't know the assets, they don't know the company.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They know how to put a guard drill among the players.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So in terms of those guardrails, I know there's rogue agents, you need to know exactly where your agents are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What are things with AI being so relevant?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What are things that leaders, not only leaders, but people who are on the engineering side, should be looking to learn, you know, to stay ahead of the current threat landscape?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I would tell people not open source.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you want to do open source, you can create a virtual instant, like a playground, we can do whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then lock down the traffic to just going on, not in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, that people don't understand that concept most we don't know that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm saying that because if you allow open source as a sister, you're not going to last one week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because guys, all this open source have something behind it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I see developing all these agents and everything, bad guys, developing their own agent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They also point about code in the code repository.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You as a developer, you just want to, the, the, the, the, the, the.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you copy that code, you put it in the, that code is sitting there for maybe a year or two watching watching.
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[SPEAKER_02]: On July 4th weekend, you sleeping in a bomb.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's assuming not a fan of open clock.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I played with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You did, okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was in sandbox.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In sandbox, so basically, I gave people, I probably, I didn't know how to use it in a secure manner.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, it's a view.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, the view is an environment where you can play with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In that playground, that's, that's it doors and two points.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you have an enterprise solution, it's close.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You might have to travel that coming in and out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You might work where that comes in and out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If it's open, that means, like, for example, in the company, you can allow everyone to buy whatever agent they want.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or bring them in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When you do that, I keep doing that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: they got you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're bringing something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's why most of the time, like I said, when I said, no open source, if you don't just say, good way to do it, it's about it to do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I do it again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can tell you that open source, I use charge BTC and Copilot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Charge BTC is the 100.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Copilot is the iPhone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Android, you can unlock it, jailbreak it and whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: iPhone, good luck on that one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's how most companies use iPhone for the business.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, chat, give me today we'll give you all the option you need.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But you also have a risk of catching something you can get rid of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You were referring to the assets and probably that's the most important thing when it comes to security.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like knowing your assets and protecting it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, let's say if I was to be a CSU today and I'm going to a company.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to be able to create like an asset inventory and knowing all the important things that I need to protect, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do I go about that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Independent work on a company you're talking about.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, use our own gas.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, let me use our own gas.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, normally, for our own gas, you have two environments.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, for the environment, I have an OTS environment, okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And luckily for you, that's a lot of two that does discovery and do mapping of those assets and dependencies of those assets.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you, if you, if you can, you have infrastructure, infrastructure, the right infrastructure in place, which is a segmentation, which is nice, Jen, who are getting with the discovery tool that can discover all those assets for you and tell you, which is their based on vulnerability, life cycle management that it goes on, where they are, what are they talking to?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Once, if you can't figure that out, that's a 50% of the job.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And in terms of deciding what vendors to go with, I use it like a gardener report to figure out exactly which one is the best tool in breed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I use gardener, but at the same time, it's to do some extra homework, okay?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So now, gone at the days where, let's say, Microsoft.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, Microsoft listening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Develop something, and it's okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bemy, we want to sell you this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Nananana.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now I'll tell Microsoft.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a global company.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a leader in my company and this is where I want to go build it and if you build it I'll buy if I buy it I can tell you four other people is going to buy the center from you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's how it works now and sorry I know the question is you coming but I'm trying to learn as much as possible.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We'd have you in here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What goes into a higher decision from a CSO?
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[SPEAKER_02]: A lot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But, uh, I was gonna stop rubbing his head for a while.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so, you're like, you did it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Me, uh, guys, you know what I'm doing?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, a lot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, from a CSO standpoint, I don't just, I ain't a buddy of the streets.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You have to know somebody that I know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You have to, um, trust.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It worked.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's very important to you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And, uh, when did I take place,
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[SPEAKER_03]: What are some of the days you're looking for this talent?
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[SPEAKER_03]: This person that I have in terms of talent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Character personality, it must be a leader.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It must be a leader.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody on my team is a leader.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In my absence, I can tell you that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you allow them to lead?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how do you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why when I earlier, I was saying that I give it free hand.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I give rent to make mistakes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's okay to make mistakes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the only way you can learn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But when you do, let me know how we'll help you out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I will take the bullet for you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We do something great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You get it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: With the whole current job trends of AI, a lot of companies are now lean off.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The video is due to the fact that AI is getting really good at doing his own job.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So how do you want your employees utilizing AI?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we just started a adoption.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It'll last here in my company.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I literally see.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it a concern of education for everybody?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because, yeah, I mean, it's not meant to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't meant to be replaced here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It meant to be honest with you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It meant for efficiency in operational excellence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it is for.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Unless you're a software company, that's a different discussion on its own.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so when that's said, so as an employee, you need to stay ahead of the game by adopting air as a person, not to use it efficiently.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you don't, so let's say for example, I want to write a policy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And before I write now, it's taking you three months to write a policy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And cannot come in, it's like, oh, yeah, I can use AI very well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can write a policy within one day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Guess what I'm going to do?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And as we can't close the end, we'd like to leave a little bit open for the guests to ask us any questions about our self-organization and just anything that maybe sticks out about us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll say the first time I saw your name, I'm like, who is this guy trying to hack?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because to be an archer proof, it's like to be a bad guy, you have to catch a team, you have to be a team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So to be an actor, able to defend actors, it's not something from that side.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This guy is trying to hack me or something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I need you some hackers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now I think, again, with AI, when we first started, we were just looking for the best name.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We had a few mix of AI.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No AI sometimes gives you those names, but it doesn't really, you have to add the own piece to make it stick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I said this, so think about this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So two years ago, I was in Blackhats.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the MGM decides to host Blackhats.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when I put right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: They went after NGM.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they showed them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So let me tell you what the actors do today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I apart from Blackout, no bunch of other actors I belong to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When you say you're like, I'm very careful what I say because if I say, oh, I'm the defender of the universe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, five actors wanted to say, I'm not sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, keep your own.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So when I saw the number like, hmm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I know couple of people who see that name, they're like, no one, I'm gonna show you this way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's true.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's true.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Are we breaking coming up soon?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they missed them itself, so from a sister's standpoint.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love so be very careful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna put my name next to them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because one's okay, you really?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure you, I'm sure you, I'm sure you, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it also depends on how high you want to go with this initiative.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you try to be an advisory to a board level big company because everything's going through hacking and unhacking today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Click a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you want to focus on the technical guys, you can keep it as it is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think the reason was Hacker Pro was that we all technical, and we all have that cybersecurity expertise, all different areas different.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So they might have explored.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's like, okay, something that will make us sound cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hacker Pro is good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's very catchy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, when I first saw him like, hmm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then someone said, I'm like, I'm not opening this line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are I think that we even discuss is like consults and do impenetation tests and for preventing the shoot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I think that we also plan to do as we move forward.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why the name, you know, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You actually you shoot and there's a witness with what to do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, we can talk offline.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's because it's a huge market.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because we have to be able to sponsor what we are doing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because that's a huge market.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a big need globally for it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, that's it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Huge.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Crazy money behind it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we'll take you out to lunch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I tell people today there's a lot of opportunity in cyber.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sorry, no longer cyber to be honest with you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not going to something else.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you talk to EI, I mean, that's a task, a task, I mean, somebody told me though the internet security, I was laughing, it's broad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, so again, so years I didn't agree job to be honest with you, I've seen the name, I've talked to people who just, I really suck away a name came up, not just any suckers, it's just so cool actually, and I was in Boston, yeah, I was in Boston and the
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mentioned that this young black tech guy is one of the few jobs and they didn't know I know about it, I was just listening, so yeah Thank God, that's all you can say, thank God, those are the things we like to hear, I believe they need to say we are hackers You know, ever since we've been doing this we've been getting great compliments and I really appreciate that because it's coming from you coming from a lead in the field so
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, any kind of feedback on how can they be improved or keep doing more?
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're thinking like consulting them in something we're trying to get going.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you should get a consulting thing into conferences.
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[SPEAKER_02]: For first year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to be major sponsors.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can co-sponsor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can co-host.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a surround table.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That goes a lot today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a surround table.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We always pick a vendor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was sponsored maybe the mail.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And all this is out there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And all yours.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and before you leave, you could guarantee that two or three or four would get to in the VIP list, like go to, then it's something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think I'm so wrong.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll pay that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Pick your brain if you don't mind.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, just just see how we get that goal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's a lot of money in the market.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I keep doing that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm shocked.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so proud.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You never know who's watching you as well, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I was still in take, you know, since 2022, I've been to Tel Aviv like five times.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's, that place is hard.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like all the new cybersecurity solutions, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because most of the venture capital is at behind the other startups coming out of Tel Aviv.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I do advise you for a few of them as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the new and the latest and everything, even surprise was going on out of that place.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's coming from Tel Aviv through Boston, from Boston to San Jose, and then into the country.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And also, we'd like to welcome people find you, what are things that you're working on?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You haven't, they want to share with the audience.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, cause a lot of information is giving up today.
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[SPEAKER_03]: People want to pick your brain.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot going on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, it's a lot of things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: OK.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I'm a personal or a career.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let me want to share it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In a few of these years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're a lot of people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So personally, I'm a meded devil.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What is it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Did that happen?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean it's a car racing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean it's a car racing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What kind of car is your own?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What did you say?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I have a GT out there for free.
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[SPEAKER_02]: GT out of a Porsche home.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's my best.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I do a lot of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do skydiving.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, different kind of Nigerian.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've never seen you before.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've never seen you before.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not because I am a what I do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have an outlet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it doesn't my outlet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I do to just get away from things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So my brain down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And also in career wise, I have really into OEM, once OEM manufacturers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The big guns, it's the result of like, if you need an online gas, think about your cool gal world, think about.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Simeon on the world, the list goes on, if you can plug yourself into what those guys are doing, I kid you not, it looks like about six figures, even seven figures, is it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, this book has happened already.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, but again, really appreciate you coming on, I can't wait for this episode to drop, I think a lot of people will learn a lot because I think it's our first time we brush someone on your level to our show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the terms you're giving is well, well needed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And thank you for this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And as you guys have to go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I am now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So watching the Hagaroov HQ podcast coming back to you next month.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's get it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, by the way, we have a event in Atlanta.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Next month August 11th.
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[SPEAKER_03]: uh... collaborating with uh... tech is the wave uh... african tech and i'll let it is an official and a tech week event so uh... looking for the senior guys they are a lot of people before the senior guys they are second time we bring the six p.m. and i'll let it event back to a line up so can't wait for this and i'll appreciate you all peace