What's Wrong With Firearm Training?; The Start Of Gun Talk; Tom's Sad Shooting Competition: 02.23.25 Hour 2

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Hey, welcome back to Gun Talk. Tom Grasham here and
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give me a call eight sixty six Talk Gun. Of course,
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you know I'm always talking about the need for training
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and trying to explain the difference between practice and training
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and how much training do you need and what should
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your training be. If you carry a gun for self
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defense or even if you just keep it in your
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home for personal protection, you need to have some level
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of complidence. I think we can all agree with that. Well,
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I have stumbled upon a guy who has studied this
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and has a great way of explaining it. Carl Raim
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joins us right now. Carl, I appreciate you being here.
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Let's start off with You've got this great book Strategies
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and Standards for defensive handgun training. But explain what care
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training is and who you guys are and what you do.
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Uh.
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Basically, I've been teaching down in Texas since nineteen ninety one.
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Wow.
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When I started teaching classes, we did not have Texas
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didn't have a carry permit. There was no mandatory handgun
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training program. I started teaching mainly because sort of early
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gun culture. At two point zero, I was a tech
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nerd and I got into shooting, and all of a sudden,
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other people that knew me started asking me to teach
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them they had none of them had grown up around guns,
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and so I started offering some classes, and then I
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wanted to get better at teaching, so I went and
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got certified as our instructor. I got certified as a
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training counselor, and then all of a sudden, boom, Texas
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passed consteel carry and demand for my services literally exploded.
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At the point that we rented office space and we
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were teaching two classes a week, you know, every week
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for years, several years. And along the way we stumbled
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on the crazy idea that there are more people that
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have four hours to invest in training than there are
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that have two days. And the reality of it was
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we realized that there were a lot of permit holders
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in Texas that would take the state mandated class, check
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the box and say I'm done, having no idea what
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they didn't know, and not really realizing how much they
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could know.
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Let me jump in because one of the things we
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keep saying, we actually have an add that talks about this.
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He said, look, you can see a carry class really
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wasn't training, not like we talk about training. And even
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to your point, even an extra four hours, it opens
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people's eyes to what they didn't know. And a lot
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of times that's maybe the most important thing, isn't it. Yeah?
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I think so, because people don't. You know, in Texas,
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the time limits for the carry permit test are a
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little slow, and you know, there's not going to be
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five shots in fifteen seconds. It's going to be five
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shots in five seconds, for five shots in three seconds
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in the real word, to be quicker, and you don't
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normally get to start with your gun in your hand.
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Right.
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The reality is certainly now with all these videos, you
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can go on the YouTube and watch all kinds of
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different videos to see how quickly things happen. And often
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the first indication that you need your gun out is
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somebody else already has their gun out. And so the
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big weakness, the thing that we really pushed and the
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most popular class we do is how to draw from
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a holster right four hour class on how to select
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a holster, how to wear the gun on your body,
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how to move your garment out of the way, how
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to get the gun out of the holster, and hit
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like a six inch target at five yards? Because the
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other big flaw in the Texas program is with probably
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every other program as it uses these giant no cop
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left behind, uh you know, big as a barn wall targets.
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Couldn't possibly miss targets.
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Yes, And so whether you're shooting the five inch circle
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on the B eight target like a lot of the
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military guys are you know doing in their classes. Now
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you're shooting any kind of target with a you know,
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six inch or eight inch, but I'd rather have six
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inches in the middle.
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Right.
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If you can do that, then now you've got useful
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practical skill, right is because six inches is roughly the
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part you actually need to hit. And hitting the edge
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of an eighteen inch wide or a twenty four inch
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wide target, you're doing that in practice, it's going to
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be a missunder stress.
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Let me switch to something here, I'm looking at your book. Here,
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you've got something. And I've always found it interesting to
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try to find somebody like you who studies this so much.
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And yeah, you're teaching skills, but you're also teaching people
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a different way of thinking about things. And you got
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this chapter eighteen. It's not a miss, it's an unacceptable hit.
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And there's so much to that. And you know, we
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talk about where you know, every shot you fire has
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a lawyer's name attached to it, blah blah blah, and
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your people in these reports will say, you know, yeah,
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well I shot at him, but I don't know if
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I hate anything. The point is, yeah, you hit something,
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you just don't.
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Know what you hit right. Correct?
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That is absolutely correct, and that goes back to proficiency,
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realistic accuracy QUE. We know, and John Hearn, who's another
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range Master guy, has a wonderful full course on this
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talking about you know, who wins, who loses, and how
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they train and what produces good results and the military
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a lot of the Special forces guys, you know, that's
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why they use those The B eight with the five
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and a half inch circle is under stress. If you
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can hit that in practice, then okay, if it expands
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out and you double that in your accuracy drops by half,
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that still might be acceptable to get an acceptable hit.
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All right, let me ask you, I got like two
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minutes left minimum competency level for a person who's carried
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a gun for personal protection, talk about that.
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It's mostly a list of skills, right, minimum competence. Competency
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should be like what you said, four by six card
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at seven yards or a five inch circle at five yards,
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and the ability to put say five rounds on it
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with no misses. And then then you need to be
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able to get the gun out of the holster between
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you and the threat. We use a two second to
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the first shot draw time. That's our goal the end
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of our four hour class that drawing from concealment, you
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should be able to draw and get a hit at
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three yards. Right as you get better, we want to
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move that distance back. But you know, everybody, all the
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internet guys are talking about the one second draw.
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Well, let's start with the two second draw.
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Let's get to that.
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Yeah, right, let's get to Let's get to get out
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of the car with the gear that I'm carrying today
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on the range, not my special range gear, not my
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special Instagram performance outfit, but whatever I'm wearing today. And
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if it's a pocket carry, we let you start with
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your hand on your gun in the pocket, right, everybody else,
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you have to move the garment out of the way
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during the gun up. Can you get that first hit
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because often we know from video analysis now the first
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hit in a vital organ can really make a big
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difference in the outcome. Draw to first hit is incredibly important.
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Consistency and then also speed does matter.
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Everybody's like, there's.
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No timer in a gunfight. Oh yeah, there is.
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There is here. Just knowing when the bush is going to.
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Go off correct and that's you know, that's the problem.
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And you know, if you can get to a one
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and a half second or one in a quarter, that's great.
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But for most people, let's start with two seconds. Get
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it out of the holster, get it up, and hit
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the target. And now I know most ranges don't allow
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drawing from a holster. That's where dry firing, right, and
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having a shooting timer or a shooting app or something
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that lets you practice drawing from concealment at home, and.
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Also finding a trainer and going to a real, honest
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to goodness class because teaching yourself, I'm sorry, doesn't really
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work that well. All right, Carl, we're just flat out
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of time. The book is Strategies and Standards for Defensive
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Handgun Training. Tell people where they can find out more
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about what you're doing and where they can get a
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copy of this. I think it's an excellent book.
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The best way is go to krtraining dot com and
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order a signed copy direct from us, signed by both authors.
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You can get it on Amazon. If you want the
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digital there's a digital version on Amazon. And if you
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just want to read more of my articles, go to
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blog blog at krtraining dot com and I post hundreds
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and hundreds of articles. There is a wealth of information
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you can read, all kinds of stuff goes beyond the
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material in the book.
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Cal Ray, thanks so much. All right, don't go far.
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Hey.
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I'm Brian from Utah and I've been listening to gun
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Talk for almost the full thirty years. Congrats on thirty years, Tom.
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I started listening in that first first two years, and
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I missed a few at that time, but since then
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I have an almost perfect record if I'm not missing
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an episode. And because of you, Tom, and I've taken
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classes from I don't know how many instructors, big and small,
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all over the country. I'm an evangelist for others. I
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teach others all the stuff I learn. I carry two
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flashlights at all times, always have a gun on with
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an pants on guns on. You've helped me be more
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knowledgeable on how to talk about the subject quickly and
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get to the point. I have been smarter, more knowledgeable,
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more helpful, and more prepared because of you, Tom Gresham
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and your amazing show, which I can't live without. So
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thanks for thirty years and I'll look forward to many more.
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Hey, Brian, appreciate that Brian's also a really, really good photographer.
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I was think about the pants on gun.
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It's also a variation of the old Florida journalists say
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F eight and be there. Just set the camera to
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F eight. You can get most of what you need.
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But mostly it's the case of just being there showing up.
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So showing up is a big deal. By the way,
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our number here is eighty six to six. Talk gun
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in a little bit. I'll tell you about my shooting
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experience on Friday. Well, this isn't good.
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It was not good.
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I'm rusty, oh man, when there's a terrible time. Also,
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we had a really interesting experience at a gun storing
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back at the range with a lever action rifle. I'll
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fail you in on that. And of course you can
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share your range reports with us. I'll have mine, you
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can share yours as well. Of Course, we're talking a
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good bit about what's going on in the government in the.
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Last thirty days.
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Cash Betel new director of the FBI and looks like
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probably the new acting director of the ATF. What's that
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going to mean, We don't know yet. Maybe it means
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they're gonna get rid of the ATF and folded into
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the FBI. Yeah, there's could be some challenges that could
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be problematic, could be good. Who knows, we'll find out. Hey,
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let's go to the phone spreads with us out of
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Rhode Island. Fred, thank you for your patience. You're on
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Hi. Good asking on Tom A long time listener, first
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time calling. Two issues I want to bring up what
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first one is the you know, the Dohoge money that's
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been going to Mom demand action every time for the
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gun safety, all the anti gun groups. You know that money.
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You know that's tax payer money. I mean, first of all,
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it's theory. I just look at it, nothing less than
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sol of peer thievery on behalf of the government and
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special interest in the government to sit there and dole
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that money out to these groups. I think that they
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should be recovering that money. I think, you know, Elon
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Musk and you know that those teams should be recovering
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as much of that money as they can from them.
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Turn it and turn it around and balance the scales
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out and give the n r S, A, f g
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o A, all the techn Amendment Foundation, all the pro
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gun groups and just even on the scales. That's what
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I think they's that's what they should be doing.
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Okay, and you said you have something else too.
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Yeah, well they need they need the equal time, you know,
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they need In all fairness, it should be equal time
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for all parties, and it's up to set lots of
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many years. Has been a once, it's been a one
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pony show, and that has to change. The other thing
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I want to bring up President of Mexico is this
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whole thing about suing gun manufacturers in the United States. Well,
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you know, it's their fault. You know, it's their problem
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and it's not our problem. It's there a problem. But
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if they want to be that way, first of all,
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we should we should try to try to encounter seo
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of them for all the fentanyl that's come into this
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country and done a hell of a lot more damage
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than any gun in the United States has done to them.
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And if they want to be that way, I think
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we should shut up all arms exports to Mexico, including
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military arms. They want to be that way, you know what, Fine,
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you won't get any guns from us by the on
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the government control and a government restriction and shut them
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down and they go, you can go peddle in the
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rest of the world and get whatever they can get
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on their own.
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There you go.
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I mean I like where a you're going with this thing,
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and thanks for the call. Appreciate that. Yeah, a lot
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of the guns that they say are traced to crime
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in Mexico are not guns that are bought at mom
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and pop stores in the US. They're guns that the
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military in Mexico bought from gun makers in the US.
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It was approved by the state Department in Commerce department
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to sell guns to the military in Mexico, and then
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those guns either get stolen or sold to or simply
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given to the cartels. Because it's in some cases it
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appears that it's a little bit difficult to figure out
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the difference between the military and the cartels in Mexico,
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and those guns are used to commit murder. Another thought
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I had they're talking about, well, you know, we shouldn't
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be sending military units in to take on the cartels. Really,
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let's think about this a little different way. They say
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that we have somewhere on the order of seventy thousand
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deaths a year from fentanyl in the US, almost all
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of that coming in from Mexico. If a country blew
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up buildings all across the United States and killed seventy
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thousand Americans a year, what do you think we would do?
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What did we do when they ran airplanes into buildings
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and killed three thousand people? They're killing seventy thousand Americans
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a year, probably a hund thousand with the other drugs.
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Why shouldn't we go take them out? I just random thoughts.
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That doesn't it's not.
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Really gun things, just kind of sort of is I
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guess I don't know.
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Uh oh, let's see, padd I'll have to look into that.
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I have not, and I apologize, I have not had
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a chance to look into this whole deal about an
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amendment on the you know, a ballot, So I don't
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have an opinion on that. Just I don't have a
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suggestion or what to tell you on that. So I
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really can't address that.
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One.
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Looks like in New Hampshire they have rejected a bill
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that would expand background checks and waiting periods. Oh, here's
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a weird one. You know not countries states that have
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a waiting period where you go to buy a gun
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and you got to fill off the paperwork and they
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have a cooling off big air quotes, right, a cooling
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off period three days, five days, ten days, whatever. It is.
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The idea being that when you go to buy your gun.
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If you're doing it out of some harassed and hasty act,
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you could cool off. Here's where it doesn't make any sense.
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These waiting periods apply to you if you already own
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a gun. So you already have a gun, and now
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they're gonna say, but you need to cool off before
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you buy your next gun, because we wouldn't want you
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to use your new gun to do something untoward. It
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makes no sense. It's kind of ridiculous when you think
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about it. If you already have a gun, what do
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you need to cool off for. You got a gun anyway,
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If you're gonna go shoot somebody, you would do it
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with the gun you already have. What's it really all about? Well,
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it's about if you know, if they can make it
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three days, they can make it ten days. If they
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can make it ten days, they can make it thirty days.
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If they can make it thirty days, they can make
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it a year. Because they've already established that waiting periods
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are okay, Waiting periods are constitutional.
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Really, wasn't it.
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Martin Luther King who said, are right delayed is a
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right denied?
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So if you make people wait.
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To get their constitutional rights, they wait to exercise a
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constitutionally guaranteed, not granted, guaranteed, protected right. If you have
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to wait, then you don't have the right at all.
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If the government can say no, sorry, you don't have
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First Amendment rights for the next three days or five
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days or ten days. You don't have free speech rights
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for the next three days or five days.
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Or ten days.
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Then you don't have the right. Then it doesn't actually exist.
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Then there is no second Amendment. We're going to see
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that's addressed, I'm sure, because there are states that are
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getting rid of that or voting it down, and then
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there are states that have waiting periods in effect. And
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of course we're getting court decisions all over the place.
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Depends on what court you go to, what part of
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the country, what circuit you're in, what that circuit, appeals court,
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that appellate court's going to do, and then when and
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if and maybe it gets set up to the Supreme Court,
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and maybe they accept it, maybe they don't. I think
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somebody said or read somewhere that the Supreme Court actually
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only takes about three percent of the cases that are
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appealed to it. Ninety percent of the cases whatever the
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appeals court says that becomes law because the Supreme Court
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doesn't actually look at it. Well, I'll be watching tomorrow.
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I hope cut fingers crossed that the Supreme Court will
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grant search actually on two cases. One is the Snope case,
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that's the all the sault weapon ban in Maryland. The
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other is a ban or a restriction on standard capacity
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magazines or a magazine capacity limit law. And maybe they'll
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take them both. Maybe they'll take one. There's also, unfortunately
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a decent chance they are going to turn it down
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completely and it's not accept it at all. Heh boy,
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you know, not sure where we go with that, although
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everything's in flux. Everything is changing right now. We have
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Donald Trump in office, we have Pim Bondi in the
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Attorney Journal's office, we have Cash Battel running the FBI,
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and it looks like probably sometime this week he will
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be named to the new act as the new acting
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director of ATF. In case you don't know, maybe you
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haven't looked this up. Cash Battel is a serious gun
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rights guy. He is a serious second amendmic guy. They
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have a plan. I don't know what it is. They
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haven't checked with me on this, but they've got a
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plan in place, they got some ideas.
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I wouldn't be.
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Surprised and kind of have a feeling that maybe behind
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the scenes, the Trump Boys are part and parcel of this.
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Eric Trump, Donald Trump Junior. Both are big hunters. Both
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are shooters. Eric Trump likes to do long range shooting.
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I think Don does too. Don Jr. I know he
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likes to do hunting. I'm thinking maybe they're kind of
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behind some of this. Who knows. It's a waiting game,
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but I swear every day is a new day, and frankly,
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with the news that's breaking every day keeps me smiling.
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And yes, I know I have friends who really hate
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Trump and hate Musk and hate everything that's going on.
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All right, but welcome to my world.
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That's how it's felt for us for a dozen years
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or more, with the exception of the four years of Trump.
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So things are definitely getting better and I've been to
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tune in next week to find out what they do next. Hey,
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welcome back to Gun Talk Tom Gresham here. Of course,
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you can give us a call at anytime. Eight sixty
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six Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun.
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Either way.
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Now I've been talking about you know, thirty years of
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gun talk. We're just about on it now, can't believe it.
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Nineteen ninety five. Well, I wonder ifring get a good friend,
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a long long time friend of mine, Ken Jergerson, who
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was with Smith and Wesson and with Ruger, been in
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the industry forever, and Ken, I appreciate your friendship over
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these many, many years.
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It's been a great time. Tom. I was just thinking
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about some of the places we've been, the things we've done,
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lots of good memory.
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You introduced me to let's say, I think gun Sight
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and thunder Ranch, and we we oh, well, I remember
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we took one of the new Smith piss to I
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think it was thunder Ranch and it shot really well.
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It was a great new pistol, but we discovered a flaw.
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They were so proud of that sharp checkering on the
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front strap.
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We were bleeding all over the gun. Remember that, I do. Yah, Yeah, exactly.
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You took that back and said, this is great, guys,
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but we need to make a little adjustment here.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So I was thinking about that when I first started
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the idea. I didn't start the idea, actually, Alan Gottlie did.
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Had a conversation with him at the Women Shooting Sports
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Foundation cocktail party at shot show and he said, yes,
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EARTH thought about doing radio.
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I said, now, how does it work? And he told me.
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I said okay. He says, now you got to go
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find sponsors. I said, well, I can't do that. He said, well,
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you know, just think about it. So I went down
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to the show for the next day. And you may
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not even know this. You were the first person I
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went to and the Smith and Wesson booth and I
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walk in. I said, Ken, I had this weird conversation
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and I kind of ran to this, says, you know,
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I remember this was like early early in talk radio
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Rush Limbad been on for just a few years. People
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were catching on. It was kind of the end run
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around the mainstream media. And I said, you know, got
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this idea for a talk radio show about guns. And
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you looked at me, and I mean, I will always
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remember this, Ken. You said, okay, we're in. I said, well, wait, wait, wait,
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wait wait, I don't have a show. I mean I
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don't have a show. I'm not on the air. I
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have no idea what their ad rates are going to be.
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And you stop me, says, time you're not listening. If
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it's talk radio, and if it's about guns, and if
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you're doing it, we're in and partner. That's how I
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got started because I said at that point there's something
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to this. So you may not have understood, but you
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were instrumental in making this thing happen.
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Well, I'm glad we were, and I do remember that,
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and I remember thinking what an opportunity this is because
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this was thinking outside the box in terms of what
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the firearms industry had been doing. And I saw it
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as an opportunity to reach a new audience. And as
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you said, you know, the general media wasn't being very
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friendly to us. No, so this was an opportunity to
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you know, present the facts, present, you know, just provide
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information that they weren't getting in the general news media.
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Well, and.
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Because it was radio, I knew it was going to
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have a much wider audience than anything we had done otherwise.
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Well, that's a good point, because we were trying to
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put our message out in gun magazines and I was
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writing for all the gun magazines. But who's going to
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read those people who are already convinced and you're you're
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not going to reach the public with that, And we
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really had no way to reach the public because all
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the general media outlets were completely closed off to us.
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Absolutely no, I fully agree, and that's why I just
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you know, from the very beginning, it just seemed like
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such an opportunity. And you know, it was an opportunity
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obviously to promote our products, but you know, it went
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far beyond that, and it was really important. And I'm
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really glad to see that. Here we are almost thirty
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years later, and it just gives you better.
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It's really amazing, and you know, and the funny part
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is you'll appreciate this when I started doing this and
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I went and talked to some of the people in
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the radio business and get some consulting and all that,
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and their sponsors were really interesting and kind of instructional,
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actually informative. I had people say, well, how could you
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talk about guns for an hour? You know, and you go, okay,
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well you don't understand pretty much a lot of us.
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That's what we talk about from when we get up
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to when we go to bed.
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Yeah, I was gonna say, they didn't have been around
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a hunting camp or yea, or a cocktail party or
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something like that.
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We have a bunch of gun people exactly.
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So I mean, let me do this. I want to
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switch a little bit. One of the things that you
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and I have done. God, I remembered you remember that
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crazy hog hunt we did.
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Oh did Georgia one?
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Yes?
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Yes, yes, come here.
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I know, guys, holler at the dogs. What a mess
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that thing was. Yeah, I think of that.
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There were four people in the world that if you
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said come here, they're all gonna look and see.
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Had We had one gun riders show up and we
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were trying to side in to get used to shooting
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the forty four magnum revolvers, and he kept hitting the
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ground right in front of the bench. He was flinching
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so bad, and at least to his credit, he said, Okay,
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this is not for me, and he got back in
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his car.
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And drove home. Yeah. I remember that.
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Yeah, But I also remember I made a really nice
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shot on a running hog with that forty four magnum
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and caught him right in the neck and went. You know,
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of course, I chalk that up to superior marksmanship rather
539
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than dumb luck.
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That I think you're the only one that got an
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animal on that trip.
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I think it was.
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Yeah, you're speaking of that handgun hunting and we're talking
544
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a little bit about that right now, I mean probably
545
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even more interesting and exciting than it's ever been right now.
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Oh it is.
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You know, it's uh, it's kind of interesting because back
548
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in that timeframe, you know, when we did that trip,
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it was just kind of coming into its own and
550
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you had a hard time convincing people that it was
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you know, that it was doable, right, and you know
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a lot.
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Of people got behind it, and you know, it's it's
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a thing that takes some practice. There's no doubt about it.
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To be a good.
556
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Handgunner isn't something that comes naturally to most people. I
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mean I always used to say, look, if you think
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you can take an animal with a vow, you can
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take an animal with a forty four magnum.
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I would say you were one of the people instrumental
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and really popularizing hunting with a handgun. And also, I
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got to tell you, I think you were one of
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the people that brought back kind of a resurrection in revolvers.
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Well, I was involved in like the iCore International Confederation
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Revolver Insuters, and you know that kind of got the
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whole revolver competition thing really going. You know, I've always
567
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been a revolver guy before I went to Smith and West,
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And in fact, I think what kind of got me
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on the radar with them was that I was a
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revolver guy.
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And now we got a lot of people interested in
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revolvers again. All right, let me try this on you.
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I came up with a way of describing semiauto versus
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revolver and why we like our revolvers because I call
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revolvers manual transmissions and semiotos are automatic.
576
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Yeah, yeah, that's kind of true.
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Well, Ken Jorgson, I want to thank you again for
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your long term friendship. You've been friends for god many
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many decades and had some great times out there hunting it.
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And thanks for being instrumental and getting this radio show going.
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Well. I'm very glad we could be part of it
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and wish you the success of the future. Keep it going, all.
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Right, thanks so much, appreciate that, my friend. All Right,
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don't go far a gun talk, will be right back.
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Hi, I'm Kim Roady from California. Welcome back to guntalk,
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the place where we celebrate all things shooting, hunting, and
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the Second Amendment.
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All right back with you.
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Michelle just pointed out something during the break. I hadn't
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thought about this, but it's a really good point, said,
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if we don't know what's going to happen with ATF
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an FBI being hitded up by the same person cash Pttel,
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the speculation is that it's possible the plan is to
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move ATF into the FBI, or get rid of it
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all together and let FBI take over its functions. And
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she makes you she said, well, what about the idea
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of getting your gun rights back? There was a time
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I think maybe it was even way back in Bill
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Clinton's time when they got rid of the funding for this.
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You used to be able to put to petition the
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ATF and get your gun rights back if you had
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lost your gun rights, like with a felony conviction, a
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non violent felony conviction. I mean, there's a woman out
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there who I think wrote a bad check for four
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hundred bucks for food stamps to buy food or whatever, yep,
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twenty years ago and was convicted of it. But it's
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a felony and she can never own a gun. Well,
639
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it used to be you could actually apply for a
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waiver or whatever it is makes you get your gun
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rights back, and then through I'm pretty sure was Underbill Clinton,
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they went in and Congress removed the funding to ATF
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to say you can no longer process these applications. You're prohibited,
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but we won't provide any funding for that. Well, they
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could put the funding back in. I mean, certainly we
646
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could go get rid of it. Maybe the courts are
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going to get rid of the whole losing your gun
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rights because of a non violent felling conviction.
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That's a possibility.
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But at the same time, maybe the ATF could end up,
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you know, taking the applications of processing them and I
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don't know, and maybe it's you got to wait five years.
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Maybe there's a waiting period. I'm not sure how it
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would would work, but I hadn't thought about that because
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it's been so longin I mean, actually it happened while
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we were doing the radio show in the last thirty years,
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and that was one of those deals where you get
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00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:20.960
these incremental moves to take away your gun rights. Okay,
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first we're going to take them away and say you
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lose your rights for life, even though you have paid
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your debt to society.
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You either we're in jail or in probation or whatever.
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They say, Yeah, but you're also going to lose your
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rights forever. Say well, okay, that's that's an infringement. And
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you know, just one by one by one. One of
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the things you're going to have to watch, and this
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will probably be a pim Bondie thing coming out of
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Attorney General's office, is you have states and cities that
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have their own laws that clearly infringe on the Second
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Amendment rights. Several things may happen at once. We know
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that the Department of Justice is now looking at a
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number of these cases where they have been pushing to
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defend gun bands, pushing they have been defending in court
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these laws that restrict our gun rights. I think it's
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very possible the Department of Justice is going to go
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in on a lot of these cases until the courts
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we're no longer going to defend these, We're going.
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To back out.
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And I don't know how it works on the legal side,
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but essentially, we don't want to defend this anymore and
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we will let the ruling stand that supports gun rights
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if possible.
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So that's the possibility.
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The other is they could start being very active about
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going after cities and states that have laws that restrict
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gun rights. Handgun rosters come to mind. We're only guns
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are on the approved list that you're able to buy
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in California, for instance. Waiting periods, of course come to mind.
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The one gun a month restriction where you can only
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buy one gun a month. If you found two guns
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you've been looking for for ten years and there they
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are in the gun case, you can't buy them both.
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You have to wait thirty days between the gun purchases.
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I'm sorry that doesn't hold up to the brewing decision
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and maybe we can get I mean, what I would
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really be great is if Pam Bondy would set up
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within a Department of Justice, a department an arm that
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did nothing but do search and destroyer missions on all
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of these laws and go after every single one of
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them and file suits and every single one of them.
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And there may be some other things that can do.
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I don't know, but just it's it's very interesting, all right,
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I said, I was going to talk about this day
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is two two three day, the February twenty three, two
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second month twenty three, right, and since there's no five
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five six day, unless there's the fifty sixth day of
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March or may rather will include the five five six
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And I asked the question earlier. You know, of course,
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the official recommendation to be certainly safe and all of
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that is you do not fire five five six m
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in a rifle that stamped two two three, except that
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I do, and I know don't do as I do,
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you know, do as I say, all that other stuff.
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Why did I make that decision? Whether there's very little
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difference in the pressure between the two, not that much,
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and modern guns are strong, Okay, So I simply don't
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pay attention to it. Am I taking a risk? Of course,
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it's taking a risk. Every time you pull the trigger.
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There's always a risk something can happen. I talked to
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a guy Friday at the range. He showed me the
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video of him shooting himself. He was out practicing with
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his pistol. He had a very nice target grade double
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stack nineteen eleven with a one and a half pound trigger.
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And he said, yeah, just I was putting the gun
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back of the holster. It kind of hung up, so
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I pulled it back out of the holster and put
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it back in in the process and got my finger
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on the trigger and hit the holster and went off.
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And he thought that you shot himself in the foot.
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He went into his thigh, into the thigh, out of
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the thigh, and then went right to the top of
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his toe. Very bad. So stuff happens as a risk
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every time you go out and shoot.
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We know that. That's why we have there are four
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rules of gun safety.
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Okay, having said that, this is a risk I'm willing
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to take. I don't think it's a big deal. I
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shoot five, five, six and my two two three.
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What do you do?
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I mean do you pay attention, do you interchange them
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or do you strictly go with what's stamped on the gun?
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Bear eight six six talk gun? That'll get ten here.
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All right, we're back with you here. Let's go talk
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to your Rodney out of Saint Louis, Missouri. Rodney, you're
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on gun Talk. How can we help you?
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Hey?
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How are you greg?
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What's going on?
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The first time I heard your program?
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I really enjoyed it.
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My girlfriend, uh, well fiance, she's fifty, believe it or not,
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I'm fifty five, and she never shot a gun in
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her whole life. And uh, I said, well, let's take
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you down to the gun range and show you how.
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And what I got with me is a nine millimeter
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high point and uh, you know, she shot at her
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the first time. She likes it that she is wanting
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her I just gave her this I got I got
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other handguns. But she wants a revolver. And I thought
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maybe we could talk about what would be a good
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pistol for her to have for her first pistol?
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Okay, sure, I mean I like two or three real
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quick questions. Why does she want a revolver? Is she
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planning on using this? For Carrie or is it home
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defense or is this just a fun gun? What's going on.
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Now?
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Yeah?
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Just for self defense and and for fun? Is she
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liked she liked doing target practice. And the reason she
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wants a revolver she just likes the way they look.
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She likes revolvers. I didn't mean, I didn't really ask
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her why.
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Well, not's wrong with that?
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Uh?
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Do you have a range where you can rent guns?
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I mean, I would really really want her to shoot
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a revolver a little bit before you buy one force,
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because they're simply harder to shoot well for most people.
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And I definitely would not recommend getting a short barrel
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or two in or snubnose revolver. I would one a
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four inch barrel revolver and probably a thirty eight Special.
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But I would really want her to shoot one, and
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to shoot it double action, not cocking the hammer, but
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just pulling the trigger back and shooting it, and just
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to get comfortable and maybe fine. And she may say
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I love the way the shoots, or she may say wow,
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that's a really heavy trigger pull.
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I can't do that.
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Better to find that out with a rented gun than
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to buy a gun and say wow, I can't.
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Shoot this.
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Right now.
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That's good good advice. I'm not sure if we have
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a range that you can rent guns, but I'm gonna
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look into it.
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That's good advice.
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Also, I would bet in a city in the size
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of Saint Louis you've got an indoor range where you
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can rent. Just call around and ask them and you
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know if they have. Here's the other thing. I'm just
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gonna not say anything wrong about the way you're teaching,
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but husband's teaching wives and fiance's teaching. Fiances can sometimes
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not be a perfect set up. If they have an
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instructor there and you can buy her an hour's worth
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of instruction and you're not there. That's an important part.
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You're not there. Uh, you may fight to be a
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really really good investment.
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That's good advice. You I didn't even think of that.
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That's good advice.
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I appreciate that.
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And you were thinking, why she didn't like the nine milimeters?
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Know how the hammer comes back when you shoot? You
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didn't like you know, the the top part of the
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gun comes back when you shoot.
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Well, yes, she may she may have She may have
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a bad grip, is my guess. You may be wrapping
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her thumbs around behind the slide, and if that's the case,
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again get her with an instructor and say, look, I'd
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like to try two or three guns and have you
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you know, And then, like I said, you're not there,
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let the instructor provide some guns and buy an hour's
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worth of time. I think it may be one of
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the better investments you ever make. And look, I appreciate
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you call again. I appreciate you discovering gun Talking. Hey,
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we're here every week and if you miss us here,
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if you get podcasts, just look for gun Talk anywhere
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you get your podcast, also on Spotify, on YouTube and
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other places online. So I appreciate that our number here
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is eighty six six Talk gun We're wide open for
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your range reports. Now when we come back, I'll give
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you mind where I went out and did some shooting
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on Friday and pointed I suck. I got some work
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to do. I'll fess up. You can do the same.