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Purposely. Your life, God's purpose. Listen at purposely.com. Gospel Tech
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FAQs with Nathan Sutherland and Mark Holland.
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And time again for another edition of Gospel Tech FAQs.
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Mark Holland joining Nathan Sutherland. He's the Gospel Tech guy.
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His program, Gospel Tech, you can find long-form programs, many
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subjects that he deals with. But Nathan, you wanted to
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kind of zoom out, as you say, a little bit
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on this subject of kids, grandkids, and tech. And what
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do you mean by zoom out? You want to get
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people to think in a more broad sense about is
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what is tech and how do we use it?
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Yeah.
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To address one of the questions that was foundational for
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even starting this ministry, when parents would come to me
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and say, well, it has a screen. So like, how
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can I make sure my kid doesn't use it? Or,
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you know what, this is no different than that other technology.
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My kid's playing video games, but that's no different than
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reading a book on a Kindle. And That was stumping
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me for a long time, especially as a teacher. I'm like, yeah,
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but I can watch it be different. I just don't
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know why, and I don't see the research. And I
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have found, through the Lord's faithfulness, a phrase that really
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helps us clarify this. We call the two kinds of
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tech that exist in this world when it comes to
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digital technology tool tech, which is tech that helps us create,
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and drool tech, which is tech that helps us consume. Okay.
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And it's not good tech and bad tech, but they
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are designed differently. And if we think of examples, we
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think of Microsoft Word. No one has ever, when putting
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your phone, which I like to call a $ 1, 000 alarm clock,
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on your bed stand, no one's ever gotten a notification
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and clicked on it. And it said, hey, haven't seen
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you in a while. And it's Microsoft Word. And it says,
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I thought maybe we could write a haiku together. Like
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Microsoft Word doesn't do that. It does not say, hey,
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I noticed that you're writing your book, but someone down
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the street already wrote his book and it's way better
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than yours. Here's an excerpt. So you feel terrible about yourself.
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Like it does not engage in that way. It will
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help you write. It will help you edit. It will
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help you share. It will help you save. And then
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it will wait days, weeks, months. Like Microsoft Word will
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not follow up with you. It doesn't set a word
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limit where you've written 10,000 words, but for 195, You
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can get the premium version. Like, it's just a tool.
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If you want to dig a hole with words, it
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will help you do that. Compare that to something else
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that's great but designed very differently would be YouTube. I
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like YouTube. This content's probably on YouTube.
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It's wonderful.
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It's great for both reaching people and for just enjoyment.
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And yet, it's designed differently. It is designed to take
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your time, your focus, your money. YouTube has two and
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a half billion monthly users. If they were able to
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get just one out of 10 viewers to stay for
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60 extra seconds, they'd get 173,000 days of additional viewing.
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That's a lot of motivation for a company that's built
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around engagement. So what do we see that that's the
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suggested bar and it's so, so good. Uh, the last
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time YouTube told us how many people clicked on their
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suggested bar was 2016 and it wasn't one in 10
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or four in 10. They said that seven in ten
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viewers showed up to watch a video on purpose that
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they'd searched and stayed to watch another video that was suggested.
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Seven in ten out of two and a half billion
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is a whole lot of viewing time. That's how they
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make their hay.
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I'm finding that's happening with me.
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I've just started getting into YouTube. The algorithm is so good.
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Yeah, if you like this subject, you'll love this subject.
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It's beautiful because unlike TikTok, whose algorithm is just to
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push you to the extremes for engagement, YouTube does a
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great job of giving you content. You're like, it's like Costco. Like,
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I didn't even know I wanted that. But now I
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see it and I absolutely want to know how that
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squirrel got through that maze. Like, show me that. How
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would I have ever searched for this content? So YouTube
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is great at it, but that is engagement. And when
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we're talking about young people and young minds, technology that
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is designed to keep your eyes on screens can be
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hard to put down. It's way different than your Kindle. Sure,
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there's blue light. Sure, there's time on screens that is
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unhealthy and we need to think about in terms of
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just habits and heart issues. But then there's tech that's
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designed to help you build bad habits. And we just
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want to be intentional with that. Tool tech helps us create.
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Drill tech helps us consume. Let's assess what tech we're using.
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And if we're having a fight about tech, there's a
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good chance it's more on the YouTube side and not
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on the Microsoft Word side.
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Yeah, tool tech versus drill tech. Who would have thought?
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But those are the kinds of things that... Nathan Sutherland
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thinks about in his wonderful ministry, gospel tech, uh, parents, grandparents,
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you will enjoy this resource for you navigating this, uh,
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increasingly complex world of tech and how your, how you
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use tech. I mean, as you're talking about YouTube, I
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can see myself on that. So, uh, find out more. Uh,
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you can look at his programs there on YouTube. Also our, uh,
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our network, Purposely.com. Of course, you can hear his long-form
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program on KCIS Saturday mornings. Gospel Tech guy Nathan Sutherland,
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and this is FAQs.
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You can hear the Gospel Tech long-form program with Nathan
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Sutherland at Purposely.com and Saturday mornings at 8 on KCIS.
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Purposely. Your life, God's purpose. Listen at purposely.com. Gospel Tech
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00:00:09.070 --> 00:00:12.330
FAQs with Nathan Sutherland and Mark Holland.
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00:00:13.189 --> 00:00:16.609
And time again for another edition of Gospel Tech FAQs.
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00:00:16.670 --> 00:00:19.960
Mark Holland joining Nathan Sutherland. He's the Gospel Tech guy.
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00:00:20.480 --> 00:00:24.019
His program, Gospel Tech, you can find long-form programs, many
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00:00:24.100 --> 00:00:26.739
subjects that he deals with. But Nathan, you wanted to
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kind of zoom out, as you say, a little bit
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on this subject of kids, grandkids, and tech. And what
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do you mean by zoom out? You want to get
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people to think in a more broad sense about is
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what is tech and how do we use it?
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Yeah.
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To address one of the questions that was foundational for
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00:00:43.450 --> 00:00:46.130
even starting this ministry, when parents would come to me
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00:00:46.149 --> 00:00:48.350
and say, well, it has a screen. So like, how
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can I make sure my kid doesn't use it? Or,
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you know what, this is no different than that other technology.
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My kid's playing video games, but that's no different than
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reading a book on a Kindle. And That was stumping
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me for a long time, especially as a teacher. I'm like, yeah,
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but I can watch it be different. I just don't
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know why, and I don't see the research. And I
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00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:10.239
have found, through the Lord's faithfulness, a phrase that really
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helps us clarify this. We call the two kinds of
25
00:01:13.079 --> 00:01:15.379
tech that exist in this world when it comes to
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digital technology tool tech, which is tech that helps us create,
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and drool tech, which is tech that helps us consume. Okay.
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And it's not good tech and bad tech, but they
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00:01:25.390 --> 00:01:27.969
are designed differently. And if we think of examples, we
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think of Microsoft Word. No one has ever, when putting
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your phone, which I like to call a $ 1, 000 alarm clock,
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on your bed stand, no one's ever gotten a notification
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and clicked on it. And it said, hey, haven't seen
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you in a while. And it's Microsoft Word. And it says,
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I thought maybe we could write a haiku together. Like
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Microsoft Word doesn't do that. It does not say, hey,
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I noticed that you're writing your book, but someone down
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the street already wrote his book and it's way better
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than yours. Here's an excerpt. So you feel terrible about yourself.
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Like it does not engage in that way. It will
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00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:01.780
help you write. It will help you edit. It will
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help you share. It will help you save. And then
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it will wait days, weeks, months. Like Microsoft Word will
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not follow up with you. It doesn't set a word
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limit where you've written 10,000 words, but for 195, You
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can get the premium version. Like, it's just a tool.
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If you want to dig a hole with words, it
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will help you do that. Compare that to something else
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that's great but designed very differently would be YouTube. I
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like YouTube. This content's probably on YouTube.
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It's wonderful.
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It's great for both reaching people and for just enjoyment.
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And yet, it's designed differently. It is designed to take
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00:02:36.229 --> 00:02:38.780
your time, your focus, your money. YouTube has two and
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a half billion monthly users. If they were able to
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get just one out of 10 viewers to stay for
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60 extra seconds, they'd get 173,000 days of additional viewing.
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That's a lot of motivation for a company that's built
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around engagement. So what do we see that that's the
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suggested bar and it's so, so good. Uh, the last
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time YouTube told us how many people clicked on their
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suggested bar was 2016 and it wasn't one in 10
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or four in 10. They said that seven in ten
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viewers showed up to watch a video on purpose that
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they'd searched and stayed to watch another video that was suggested.
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Seven in ten out of two and a half billion
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is a whole lot of viewing time. That's how they
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make their hay.
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I'm finding that's happening with me.
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I've just started getting into YouTube. The algorithm is so good.
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Yeah, if you like this subject, you'll love this subject.
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It's beautiful because unlike TikTok, whose algorithm is just to
73
00:03:32.050 --> 00:03:34.469
push you to the extremes for engagement, YouTube does a
74
00:03:34.509 --> 00:03:37.370
great job of giving you content. You're like, it's like Costco. Like,
75
00:03:37.430 --> 00:03:39.270
I didn't even know I wanted that. But now I
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00:03:39.349 --> 00:03:41.569
see it and I absolutely want to know how that
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squirrel got through that maze. Like, show me that. How
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would I have ever searched for this content? So YouTube
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is great at it, but that is engagement. And when
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we're talking about young people and young minds, technology that
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00:03:53.219 --> 00:03:55.180
is designed to keep your eyes on screens can be
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00:03:55.219 --> 00:03:58.009
hard to put down. It's way different than your Kindle. Sure,
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00:03:58.090 --> 00:04:00.949
there's blue light. Sure, there's time on screens that is
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00:04:01.030 --> 00:04:02.430
unhealthy and we need to think about in terms of
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00:04:02.449 --> 00:04:05.979
just habits and heart issues. But then there's tech that's
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00:04:06.020 --> 00:04:08.319
designed to help you build bad habits. And we just
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00:04:08.340 --> 00:04:10.580
want to be intentional with that. Tool tech helps us create.
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Drill tech helps us consume. Let's assess what tech we're using.
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And if we're having a fight about tech, there's a
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good chance it's more on the YouTube side and not
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on the Microsoft Word side.
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Yeah, tool tech versus drill tech. Who would have thought?
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But those are the kinds of things that... Nathan Sutherland
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thinks about in his wonderful ministry, gospel tech, uh, parents, grandparents,
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00:04:32.069 --> 00:04:35.310
you will enjoy this resource for you navigating this, uh,
96
00:04:35.449 --> 00:04:39.560
increasingly complex world of tech and how your, how you
97
00:04:39.889 --> 00:04:42.279
use tech. I mean, as you're talking about YouTube, I
98
00:04:42.319 --> 00:04:46.199
can see myself on that. So, uh, find out more. Uh,
99
00:04:46.259 --> 00:04:51.209
you can look at his programs there on YouTube. Also our, uh,
100
00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:54.980
our network, Purposely.com. Of course, you can hear his long-form
101
00:04:55.000 --> 00:05:00.819
program on KCIS Saturday mornings. Gospel Tech guy Nathan Sutherland,
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and this is FAQs.
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You can hear the Gospel Tech long-form program with Nathan
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00:05:06.889 --> 00:05:11.910
Sutherland at Purposely.com and Saturday mornings at 8 on KCIS.
