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You're watching brand new faces. I'm your host, Matt, and
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tonight I'm joined by a very special guest. Now we've
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talked about it a million times on every episode. The
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bare minimum you could do is at least follow these
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folks on social media, help them get those numbers up,
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promote them. Then they could go out, you know, offer
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a little more to these companies that only want to
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see numbers nowadays. But when payday rolls around, you go ooh,
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I got a little bit of cash in my pocket.
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I want you head on over to only fans and
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follow Swinging Vixen Jenna. The Twitter is swing Vixen Jenna,
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but the only fans is Swinging Vixen Jenna. Ladies and gentlemen,
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My guest for the evening, Jenna Jenna. Nice to meet you.
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Hi. I'm so glad to be here.
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I am so glad to have you here.
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So flattered when you asked, so well, you.
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Know what, And let me give you real quick and
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to the audience too, which I do often, But let
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me give you my criteria. It's not just about are
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you hot and online? To me, it's are you part
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of a lifestyle that's interesting? Are you hot and are
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you online? But also are you pursuing this as either
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a fun hobby that you enjoy or something you know
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you see as a career. I don't want just to
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run a mill. A hot girl comes along and she
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wants to pop on and then we never see her again.
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So yeah, going through your profile and checking everything out
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about you, I love what I.
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See, so thank you. Let me start hearing.
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Well, let me say that, and then let me start
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with the third rude of question you can ask a woman. Okay,
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I know what it is. Okay. The first rude is
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question which I am not asking you to answer, but
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I have seen this live in person. First rudeis question
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you can ask a woman is are you pregnant? That
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is rude. You should not ask a woman that. No,
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you don't have to answer. The second ruti ist question
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you can ask a woman is how much you weigh?
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I don't ask that one either. Too many slaps in
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the face for that one.
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That's awesome.
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The third row this question you can ask a woman
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is can I ask how old you are? Je?
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Yes, I am forty two.
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You look damn good for forty two. Let me just
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say that.
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I had to check today. I was like, I think
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I'm forty one, No, forty teen.
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I'm thirty eight, and you start like counting the numbers.
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You actually your things matter, It doesn't matter anymore. Let
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me ask you.
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All right.
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I grew up listening to rap music, and I do
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not understand what any of the measurements are even to
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this day. So I came up with my own little metrics.
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I wanted to run by. Could I ask you what
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your height is?
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Yes, I'm five to two, okay.
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Could I ask you what that wonderful cup size is?
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I think it's c Okay, Okay, you know that's what
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they tell me when you get measured. You never know. Okay,
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all right, that's what I buy.
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And not necessarily my king, but I have no issue
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with it whatsoever. Can I ask you what your shoe
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size is?
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I am seven and a half.
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Wonderful okay, Now, Jenna, take me through it. Can you
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tell me how you decided to cross over from Vanilla
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into the adult entertainment industry in whatever format? Was the
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first thing you did? Were you camming? Did you strip
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at some point when you were nineteen? What was the
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first time when you crossed that barrier from Vanilla quote
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unquote vanilla life into this world.
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So it was when I hit forty. We have kind
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of a crazy story. Up until forty. We were involved
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in church heavily, and then we left that and or
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and after that we kind of got to the point
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where we decided we're not going to let people tell
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us what to do anymore. And so at that point,
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I didn't know anything about the I'd heard about swinging,
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but I didn't know what the lifestyle was at all.
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But my husband had kind of mentioned like a few
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things here and there about like bringing a guy in
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or things like that, and it just got me super curious.
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But the kind of person I am is like I
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need information, and so I just got on the internet
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and I got on podcasts and like just started listening
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to a lot of like swing podcasts, super body forward podcasts,
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and I got all the information out there. It took
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me probably like a month to kind of like get
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all the information. And then one of the podcasts was like,
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you can't do anything else except just try, and so
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that's what I mean, and my husband decided to do
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is just kind of like jump in the area that
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we live in is super close to like this amazing
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resort and a lifestyle resort, I guess is a good
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thing to call it. And yeah, we just jumped in
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kind of body first, let.
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Me ask you, so you mentioned a few things in there,
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and I really want to there's a lot of meat
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on that bone. Let me just ask one thing though.
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You said you were listening to swinging podcasts but also
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body positivity podcast Was that something you had to overcome?
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Did you have any issue with your body? Yeah? Would
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you mind? And was it something you I don't know
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if you can tell. I'm a little bit of a
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chubbier gentleman myself, and I always have no trust me.
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I am the doctor, lets me know, but uh, it
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is always something that's like on my mind. Like I
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interview some of the most beautiful women in the world,
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and if any of them offered themselves to me, even
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if my wife allowed it, I'd be so no, no, no,
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I don't want you to see me without my shirt on.
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So what kind of body positivity did you have to develop?
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And when you got into this lifestyle, how did it
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help you even more start developing it?
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Yeah? So the culture that I grew up in was
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very like cover up, like keep that we as the
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girls and a the women were responsible for the thoughts
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of men around us, which is just it's like a
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horrible way of thinking. And so yeah, I remember. It
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kind of makes me mad now because I'm like, oh,
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those were the best, Like that was my best body,
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and I had to sit here and cover it up.
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And so I just grew up thinking I couldn't show anything,
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so I wore sure, you know. We I listened to
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one of your One of the your podcasts that stuck
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with me was one where a girl talked about how
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she was Mormon, and so I grew up. It doesn't
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really exactly matter but Christian, but and yeah, so we
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I just always covered up, and I had low self
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esteem for someone that I feel like I shouldn't have
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had low self esteem, you know. And and I just
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had a lot of pressure on me to do the
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right thing and be the right kind of person and
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dressed a certain way. And yeah, so so coming from
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that to this where it's very women led, it's very
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consent based, which is just like I mean, from the
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outside looking in, you wouldn't think that, but it is.
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The swinging lifestyle is very consent driven, very woman driven,
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and from the second really that we started going, I
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just felt more accepting on my own body, accepting on
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my flaws, like excited to be around other people. When
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we went to the resort for the first time, you
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just see all kinds of people and all kinds of bodies,
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and everybody is just you know, like you might not
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on the inside, you might be like, oh, I don't
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you know, I don't feel my hottest, but like everybody
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just looks like they feel like their best self, you know.
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And so yeah, it's given me a confidence that yeah,
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I have never had in my forty years, you know,
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forty two now.
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But let me okay, let me let me ask this.
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So at forty he does I totally understand the pushing
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back on the you know, how you were raised, or
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the church situation. If it's overly strict and this and that.
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I mean, you guys could have like went out and
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just drank too many beers one night. It seems like
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a and I'm not down, I'm not talking down on
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it at all. It seems like a drastic to shift
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to go from this is a very strict religion. And
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then the husband taps you on the shoulder and goes
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you've ever been double team though, maybe we should try that.
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I mean, was it was it conversations? Was it gradual?
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Was it or were you guys just so sick of
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it that it was like, fuck it, we're going to
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do the opposite.
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I think that was part of it. I think part
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of it was fuck it, We're going to do the opposite.
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So the what we were in the in the church
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was my husband was a pastor, and he was a
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pastor for uh so it's a good little tagline for
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like it was something. It was over ten years and
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so towards I would say, like maybe five years before
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we left, we just started seeing things that we just
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didn't think we're right as far as like sexuality, mainly
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that that was like a big thing. My husband's twin
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brother is gay and he's a drag queen and so
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but when we were taught like that's not okay, and
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we're like no, no, no, here, we I were looking
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at this person, he's amazing, you know whatever. So yeah,
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it's definitely. Yeah, we just kind of got to a
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place where we were like screw it, you know, like
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and there was a lot of that we want to
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do the opposite of what we were, you know. But
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I would say that my husband probably was more familiar
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with the scene, and you know, because we were also
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we also were brought up taught that pornography was of
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the devil, you know, and so like. But you know,
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we got out of the church and were like, hey,
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this is great, you know, like and people they're having
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a great time, and like, you know, so yeah, it's yeah,
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we just got I would say, like the last couple
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of years of us being in the church, we got
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to the point where we wanted to like explore different
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things about our sexuality and that's not okay in that
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kind of arena.
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So sure, not describing your environment, but just in general,
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there comes times when people do something so much and
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are taught this one specific thing, and then you have
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an outside source, almost like your your brother in law
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in this case, where you go, no, I know him,
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he's not evil, he's not a bad person. So what
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else are you twisting a little bit? What else you Oh? Yeah, right.
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It was a huge culture shock for me.
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Sure, So yeah, tell me about the first experience then
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that you may have had with someone other than your husband.
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Was it male, female, who initiated, who set it? Up.
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Did the husband set it up? Did you set it up?
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And tell me your emotions going into it?
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Well, okay, so we decide. You know, I did all
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my research, listen to all these podcasts, you know, read
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all these articles, and then I was like, Grant, you
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might have to bleep that. Sorry, gotcha. Go ahead, okay,
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he said.
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Husband.
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Okay, Husband, Okay, wait, I might have to recheck. Okay,
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ask me the question asked.
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I don't remember the question. Pick it up from Okay, okay,
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go ahead.
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Yeah, okay, So our first experience, go.
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Ahead, first experience. Yeah.
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So our first experience was we had decided we were
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going to go on Valentine's Day to this local resort
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and they have pool parties during the day and so
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I had like a ton of bathing suits and all
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this kind of stuff, and we're just I was really
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looking forward to the I mean, we both were really
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looking forward to it. And so, you know, we get
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there and I was just like I said before, I
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was just excited to see all of the different body
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types all main mainly like the women, just seeing how
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confident everybody, you know, was. So we sat down on
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a chair and my husband was like, hey, you want,
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you know, you want to take your tits out. I
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was like, and I just like pulled one out like
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a second and then I was like I put it
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back on, you know, because like I grew up my
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whole life's thinking like everything had to be covered. Anyways,
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So the day drag drag on and I got more confident,
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and then we decided to go into uh, I guess
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they call it. I'm trying to think of the best playroom,
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and so we went in there. They have different side,
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they have different rooms. We decided to leave the door
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open and I just started giving my husband head and
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facing my I ass out. We call it my billboard.
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I just kind of, you know, to track people. So
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we were doing that and we had had a conversation
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that was like my husband said, you know, we're gonna
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go at your speed, like whatever you're comfortable with. You
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don't even have to fuck me, you know, like let's
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just go. Let's just go and be relaxed. So, you know,
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we were there, I was getting the head and then
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I just go, you know, I really like someone to
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fuck me. And so my husband was like, oh okay,
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and like just kind of didn one of these things
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with somebody walking by, and it was just it was
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great that the wife ran out and got a condom
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for her husband and didn't even speak the same language.
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I couldn't pick him out of a crowd, uh, And
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it was just like this amazing experience came in. You know,
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we fucked and that was that. And then the next
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weekend we were headed to the same resort and I
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just kind of told my husband, you know, like if
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get there and like if I if I'm okay with
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you and another woman, like just take my word for it,
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just trust me, you know, and you know, he's trying
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not to get excited. And we get there and we
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just went back and we went back to the same
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room in the playroom, and there was another couple there
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and I've done this. I do this thing where I
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don't look up, so I just kind of walk and
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kind of keep my eyes down. And then my husband
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is the one he gets everybody but him and this
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wife kind of locked eyes and they were like, you
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want to, you want to? And that was it. And
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from there we've just kind of dove into this lifestyle
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of just fun and learning to get to know other
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people through this through having sex, you know, which is
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coming from the church where taught that sex is like
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this gift and you can only give it to a
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few people when every time you give it to somebody
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it breaks you know, it's like your heart and then
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it breaks pieces off every time you have sex. And
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we're like in this community, we're like, no, that's not it.
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It's literally just fun. It's literally just sex and it's
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fun and we're getting to know these amazing people and yeah,
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so pretty exciting.
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Yeah that's awesome. Let me ask you, so, so, anytime
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I've ever heard a threesome pitched in life with normal people,
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it's been like, not normal, We're not normal, We're fun.
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I get okay.
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With vanilla people, it's always been, you know, a dude
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going like, would I let my chick and another girl
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blow me? Yeah, sure I would. No one ever goes
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to the second guy first initially, right.
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I know, generally realize that.
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So I have to ask you. It seemed like your
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husband was willing right away, and you were receptive and
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receiving Sorry for the pun, right away, but it seemed
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like you were a little bit questionable at first on
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him going with someone else. What did that did that
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come from? A jealousy thing, a fear thing. Was it,
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Like is it in your head like he's gonna like
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her better? I fucking know it, right.
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All of that, all of that, And honestly, so one
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of the things that happened when we got into this
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lifestyle is my my brain just went like opened up,
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like my world was opened up. And I'm actually at
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a point where, like I'm seeing a therapist because there
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are things about that, like you know, you said jealousy, fear,
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Like I did have a fear that he would find
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somebody that was better and leave me. I did have
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a fear that somebody else was gonna fuck him better,
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and he was gonna he was gonna leave our twenty
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five plus years together to go with somebody else, you know.
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And so we actually came up with the term for it.
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We call it deconstructing monogamy, where like, you know, we've
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been taught this one way and this is the only
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way to do it and all of that. So the
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thing about like what you said, I didn't realize that
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it's more common for people to do like female female
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male first, like to go in and have the female
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because we have been in it for about a year
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and a half now and we just recently have done
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a MFF you know, a male female female yea, And
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it just took a lot for me to learn that.
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I think the biggest thing, like I was saying before,
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is that like I was taught that sex was this
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heavily like feeling, yeah and romantic and yeah, so that's
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how I how I looked at it. And my husband
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that's not how, you know, Like he was like, no,
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this is like I want you to share you I
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would I want other people to have this great experience.
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I want you to have this great experience with other people.
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And and I couldn't figure it took me a while
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to like feel and I'm still definitely figuring that out.
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But yeah, like now I can I use the example
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to my therapist. I'm like, I could be in a
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room and it could be my husband and two thousand
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women and they're just fucking and I don't get jealous.
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But the second he like puts somebody's hair behind her ear,
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I'm like, what gon leave me? You know, and she
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So you know, I'm learning, I'm learning things like that.
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But yeah, yes, it's really it's really interesting that like
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I came into this a little backwards.
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Sure, you know, sure it. You know what was interesting though,
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is we can never apply to ourselves or to other
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people the same standard we apply to ourselves. In this way,
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when you are with your husband and a stranger comes
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up with his wife and he starts fucking from behind,
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I bet not even once did you think I might
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leave my husband for this general It never came into
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your head. No. If I thought of my wife setting
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something up for me to get blown by another woman,
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I would probably have an amazing time. And the whole
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time I would go. Do you know how much I
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would not want to break this woman into my jokes
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to get her to laugh at shit? Do you know
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how to.
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Tell her all your dad all your dad jokes? You know?
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Yeah? Yeah, I do all my quirks and habits and
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everything else. I don't want to do that to someone else.
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I already have that person for me, you know.
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Yeah, So but I couldn't. I knew that logically, Yeah,
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but I couldn't get it through you know, emotionally. I
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think is probably the best way to say it.
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Yeah, And then what was the way that you were
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able to kind of at least push it? Is? It
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is it communication. Is it him saying something along those
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lines like I would never leave you blah blah blahlah
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blah or yeah, go ahead, go ahead, what does it?
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So he's a saint, like honestly, and I think every
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day that we I mean, no relationship is perfect, obviously,
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but I every day that we've been together, he's told
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me how beautiful I am and like all of that,
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and I'll just like, okay, you know things, but like,
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you know, being in this kind of atmosphere, I'm like, no,
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he really does think that, Like I'm the beautiful that's
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not a word, the most beautiful person here, you know.
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Like and like like if you and your wife went,
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you would think she's the most you know, like you said,
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You're like, I wouldn't trade what I had for anything,
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you know. So yeah, it took, honestly, therapy and I've
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just started therapy, but her helping me refrain things and
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just think of yeah, just think of humans in kind
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of a different way too, you know. And and like
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I think one thing that I was taught with the
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church is that other women are like my enemy. And
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because those women are going to make my boyfriend or
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husband sin or stumble or whatever. So like we were
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almost taught this very hateful way of being around other women,
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and so coming into this lifestyle where like women are
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champion for other women, I'm like, oh my god, I
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love this, you know, like and getting into like the
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world that I am now, like you know, the the
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only fans side and that kind of world. I've met
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some of the most kind people who are like, here's
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what I did. You know, here's exactly what I'm doing,
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like giving me all of this information to be successful.
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You know. It's just like a my husband and I
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have been staying since we got in the lifestyle that
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the community, the lifestyle community is literally what a church
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should be, like, you know, like the non judgmental like
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I mean, I don't know.
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Yeah, you know what it is. It's funny you describe
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something there that makes a lot of sense. It is
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in your religious organization, but then there's other cultural organizations
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that do the same thing, and governments and whatever that
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kind of suppress women.
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Right.
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We don't want you guys being friends and getting too
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much fucking power. Okay, we don't. We don't want you
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getting too much power. Yeah, because the point of industry.
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You see what happens when you get too much power.
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It's you run the roost. You guys set the prices,
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you do this and that. So coming from areas with strong,
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powerful men, yeah, it makes sense to go. You know,
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she probably talks shit about you, or you don't want
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to be her friend. You want to just listen to me,
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right right right?
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Yes, And it's so crazy because I'm like, no, like what,
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Like I have a friend that's very successful and she's
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just like I said, she's the most giving, like she
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wants to offer her help. And any woman I would say,
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of any of the women that I've met so far,
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have been just like that, not met any hateful people
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or like, you know, I'm not gonna tell you this
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because you might do better than me or something. You know.
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It's like no, Like the friend that's kind of super
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helpful to me, she's like, oh, you're gonna as soon
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as you start showing your face, you're gonna kill you know,
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like just like supportive and like kind. I don't know,
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it's just no, it's a culture I'm not used to,
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and I love it.
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It makes it makes total sense, it really does. Like
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you know, once there's no longer a need for like
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the trying to find scraps where you're in an industry
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where you guys are in the best possible way possible
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of the product. You know, you guys are what is
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for sale. That sounds so bad, but it's not, I know,
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you know, in my general mind, I just mean the
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concept of it. Whatever. When when that happens, there's a
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lot of people who've had a lot of power for
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a long time who start realizing I'm losing grasp on things.
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And you'll see that in this industry too, in terms
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of booking new girls a lot early on for mainstream
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stuff and then letting it drop off for a while.
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And if it drops off long enough, maybe the prices
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come down or the rates come down, or this and that.
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But things like only fans, things like fans ly, things
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like chatterbait, any of the individual things. You are setting
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your own standard for what you expect for the work
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you deliver. Yep, it is. It's funny. And I am
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not making this a political point whatsoever, And I'm not
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going to point anything.
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Out sound like that. I don't think.
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Well, I'm gonna make this point here. It is one
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of the greatest examples of capitalism is this industry where
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if you're the girl who pops on and is tweeting
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twenty hours a day and editing your videos and shooting
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them and scheduling everything, you are going to be rich.
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There is a market for you, right.
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Oh, and there's so much like there's not It's like
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we're not going to run out, you know, like sure,
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like so somebody can have three million followers. Somebody also
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can have three million different followers, you know, or even
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the same whatever, but sure, yeah, there's a room for everyone.
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It's it's the greatest version of to me, at least,
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it's one of the greatest versions of how much work
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you put in matters to how much you get out
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from it. And a lot of you girls are just
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killing it. And I could not be happier when I
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see you and only fans model saying I made fifty
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four million. Now, for a second, I go, what the
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fuck am I doing wrong? But but then I see
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the tits and I go, oh, yeah, that that's why
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I'll have this. Yeah, So talk me through this. How
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do we then decide now that we are doing this
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in our personal life, we're enjoying this, we're engaging with this,
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How do we take it the next step further? How
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do we go I need everyone to see this ass
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And And was that another level of fear and another
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level of locking in like body comfort and all that
485
00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:01.519
tell me about your decision to go into that.
486
00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:06.720
Yeah. So so one of the podcasts that I listened
487
00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:10.359
to she also has and only fans, and and they've
488
00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:12.599
her and her husband or her and her husband have
489
00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:15.480
been only fans and they've gone on there and like,
490
00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:19.279
you know, told how to be successful and things like that.
491
00:26:20.839 --> 00:26:26.599
And we have figured out that we like being watched.
492
00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:29.240
I think we've known that for a while and so
493
00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:33.880
and we have always like videotaped ourselves, and then we
494
00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:36.640
get into this lifestyle and like other people, they're like,
495
00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:38.599
let's do it, you know, we want to look back
496
00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:41.920
on these things. And so we got to the point
497
00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:45.480
where we're like, we might be making we can maybe
498
00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:48.599
make money for this, you know. And but I had
499
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:54.359
a fear of the way that we left the church
500
00:26:54.480 --> 00:27:03.440
slash were forcibly removed was very embarrassing and like dehumanizing,
501
00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:07.400
and so I knew that I wanted to start in
502
00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:12.640
only fans actually read this really good, good book. I
503
00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:15.279
don't know it's called hold On, I got it right there.
504
00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:21.960
Margot's got money problems, Margot's Got money troubles, and they
505
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:25.039
actually have a TV show on Netflix and it's amazing. Anyways,
506
00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:28.920
joined this book club. We started reading them and she,
507
00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:31.880
I guess I don't want to give away the book,
508
00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:36.119
but basically she starts doing only fans and kind of
509
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:38.640
goes through a lot of the same feelings that I'm
510
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:41.640
going through, where like, oh, like I have this confidence,
511
00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:43.759
Oh I can like set my own rights, like I
512
00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:46.400
can determine my own worth, you know, things like that,
513
00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:51.400
and so that kind of got my brain thinking about it,
514
00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:55.359
and then we went to the yeah, let's just try it,
515
00:27:55.440 --> 00:28:01.680
like you know, what's the harm. And honestly, until very
516
00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:04.839
very recently, we were you can only see my face
517
00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:10.160
behind a paywall, and I'm I just now have got
518
00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:12.839
like an offer to do like kind of step up
519
00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:19.559
a little bit in the industry. And with that they're like, Okay,
520
00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:20.920
you either show your face or you don't, you know,
521
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:23.039
and I'm like, you know what, We're gonna do it.
522
00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:26.000
You know, like I've been humiliated beyond bee Leaf with
523
00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:28.920
other things. So like we've been here, we've done that,
524
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:33.519
and I think just the main thing is like I
525
00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:37.440
just don't want my parents to find out, but they're gonna. Yeah.
526
00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:41.599
You know. My thing is if you're if you're there,
527
00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:45.359
you're there too. You know, if you're if you're finding me,
528
00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:46.759
you're finding me because you're there.
529
00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:50.759
So yeah, yeah. You know what's funny is you can
530
00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:53.440
look back someday and tell someone they'll go, how did
531
00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:55.720
you get in the porn? And your answer is church
532
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:59.160
and books? You know that, right? Your answer is church
533
00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:03.519
and books? Yeah, the Internet's just like the internet.
534
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:04.519
How true that is?
535
00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:07.519
The Internet is destroying children's minds? What got you into
536
00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:09.599
church and books? Okay?
537
00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:13.759
Yeah, so's you know and smutty boogs?
538
00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:18.599
Sure, so let me get into that then. So what
539
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:21.880
have we done on film? Is it strictly you and
540
00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:26.000
husband performing scenes? Is it other people you've brought in?
541
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:29.200
Talked me through what your contract? If I head on
542
00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:32.960
over to OnlyFans dot Com. Slash Swinging Vix and Jenna
543
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:36.519
links to everything are in the episode description as always,
544
00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:38.119
you know our deal, tell me what I'm going to
545
00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:39.079
see if I head over there.
546
00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:42.200
So you are going to see just a plethora of stuff.
547
00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:46.319
There is a good bit with me and my husband,
548
00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:51.400
but we actually started thinking about like the business side
549
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:54.880
of things too, and we're like, like, chat GBT has
550
00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:59.119
been super helpful. The one that's associated to X has
551
00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:01.240
been because it gives you a bunch of facts and stuff.
552
00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:03.880
So we were like, what is you know, what do
553
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:09.599
people want to see? And for my category being a milf,
554
00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:14.039
people want to see BBC's you know, And I'm like, hey,
555
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:17.599
that's fun for me. So if you go over to
556
00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:21.200
my only fans right now, I have a good amount
557
00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:26.720
of BBC videos, Like I just did one outside on
558
00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:31.559
public property, I mean not public private. I'm sorry, I'm
559
00:30:31.559 --> 00:30:35.400
at fred and that was, oh my gosh, a blast.
560
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:39.880
That was just with one one BBC. But I've done
561
00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:44.920
uh two BBC's my friend, and I said, that's been
562
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:46.599
so kind to me. She's let me come in on
563
00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:48.640
some of her gang bangs, which had just been like
564
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:52.400
they're just so fun to me, you know, like, and
565
00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:54.279
I think part of it is that part of my
566
00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:58.160
brain that wants to be like like go the opposite
567
00:30:58.200 --> 00:31:01.839
direction of everything. So I'm sure my therapist can figure
568
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:03.599
that out, you know, That's what that's what we're pay
569
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:06.359
him for. But yeah, so if you go over to
570
00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:07.759
my page, you're going to see a lot of that,
571
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:12.599
a lot of boobs, a lot of a lot of ass,
572
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:14.599
Like my thing is my ass, you know. I know
573
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:16.960
I'm having to share this part right now.
574
00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:21.119
But yeah, okay, all right, maybe at the end we
575
00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:24.880
get a twirl, not not guaranteed, Hey, coming for it.
576
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:29.119
Stick around and listen, folks, okay and watch. Can I
577
00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:31.480
ask this and again if any of this gets too personal,
578
00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:34.759
just let me know. Does your husband film all of
579
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:37.160
your scenes with these people or is it other people
580
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:37.599
as well?
581
00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:41.200
Okay, yeah, So one thing about my husband is when
582
00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:43.759
he gets into something, he's like sure, full force, you know,
583
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:47.559
and so he's got all the I mean, we shoot
584
00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:51.160
most everything with our iPhones, but he's got like like
585
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:54.640
a holder and microphone and you know, a chest strap,
586
00:31:54.920 --> 00:31:57.119
you know. So it's we've had like some po V
587
00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:00.920
stuff like so that not necessarily my husband has done it,
588
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:03.880
but we've had other people where the it's you know,
589
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:06.079
something that straps on them and then it puts the
590
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:10.839
phone on there. So yeah, so if he's not involved
591
00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:12.599
in it, then he's probably and then he's filming it
592
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:17.079
because if I if it's left up to me, I'll
593
00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:20.079
have it face in the corner or something. You know. Sure, yeah,
594
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:22.119
it's a mastermind behind it.
595
00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:24.519
My Jenna has to put up with the same bullshit
596
00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:26.200
where I get a little bit of an idea and
597
00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:28.720
we go, well, now we need all the equipment for.
598
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:30.759
It, but you have to you know.
599
00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:33.200
Yeah, I mean hey, but you know what that is
600
00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:36.720
commitment to a thing, you know, and that's what sets
601
00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:39.160
you apart from a hot girl that just pops on
602
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:41.079
and posts a picture of a pit and then never
603
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:41.920
shows back up.
604
00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:42.480
Yeah.
605
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:46.920
Can I ask this about your husband? So I was
606
00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:50.079
blown away by all the Swinger interviews I had done
607
00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:53.319
over this past season where I was like, that is
608
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:57.359
so not what I would have thought it is. Is
609
00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:02.759
your husband into the cuckold aspect at all? Is there
610
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:05.880
any talking to him, is there any humiliation to him
611
00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:08.799
anything that he likes in that aspect or the more
612
00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:10.799
common thing I've seen. Only because you think of the
613
00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:13.319
word cook or cuckoldah blah blah blah, you associate it
614
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:15.680
with that, and then you would go, well, this gentleman's
615
00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:18.079
wife has sex with other guys, so I would think that,
616
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:22.599
But is it more him watching you be pleasured? That
617
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:25.240
he really enjoys, do you know if it's one of
618
00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:25.640
the two.
619
00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:30.759
Yeah, So we've actually had this conversation a few times.
620
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:36.200
Like and you were talking about communication before, and we
621
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:40.640
heard this coming into the lifestyle, but like if you
622
00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:45.119
can't communicate, that's an issue. So like another thing for
623
00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:49.440
me I found out coming into the lifestyle that with
624
00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:54.039
one hundred percent certainty, like I am neuro divergent, and
625
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:58.599
that's affected our conversations, you know, And so okay, so
626
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:00.799
you're talking about that part of it. So we've also
627
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:05.319
learned that there are different kind of like cuckholds, and
628
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:08.400
there are different kinds of ways of doing things. So
629
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:15.079
if you're a cuckhold, then you're not necessarily being humiliated,
630
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:19.280
you know. Because for me, I like I feel like
631
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:21.880
I have like a heart that like I would cry,
632
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:24.519
you know, if I had to humiliate my husband, I
633
00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:28.679
would cry, you know. But other people love it, you know,
634
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:31.719
and like that's their kink, and you know, we don't.
635
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:35.199
I don't judge anybody else, you know, even if it's
636
00:34:35.239 --> 00:34:37.800
something that I don't want to do, it's fine, you
637
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:42.679
do you you know, like whatever, And so I've we
638
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:45.400
had a conversation one time where I was like, so,
639
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:49.360
tell me, like what about this, you know, do you
640
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:54.880
love and he loves to watch me get fucked or
641
00:34:55.119 --> 00:34:57.639
play and stuff, and I asked him, I was like, okay,
642
00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:01.000
rate it like with getting to you know, getting to
643
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:04.599
be with another person. He's like, you know, like they're
644
00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:07.199
kind of close, and I'm like, for my brain, I
645
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:10.280
can't I can't understand it, you know, I can't comprehend it.
646
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:15.440
But he loves it, you know, And and then I love
647
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:17.119
that he loves it. And then we're all turned to
648
00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:20.320
you know, it's like a circle. It works out for everybody.
649
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:25.559
But yeah, but there's a word for it, and it's
650
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:28.239
not coming to my mind right now, but where like
651
00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:33.039
you see your partner having this great experience and you're
652
00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:35.320
so happy for them. You know, it starts with the
653
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:38.800
sea and it'll come to me in a minute. But yeah,
654
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:41.880
it's so I see him and I'm like, oh my god,
655
00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:44.079
look at that Look at that girl's ass. You know,
656
00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:47.800
I'm like, that must feel so great. Does that feel great?
657
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:50.239
You know? He's like, yeah, having a great time, you know.
658
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:53.039
So I don't know, it's just like to me, it's
659
00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:56.880
just like joy. It's just happiness and joy, and I
660
00:35:56.880 --> 00:35:59.679
would be lying to say that we haven't hit issues,
661
00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:03.119
but a lot of the issues are me figuring out
662
00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:06.119
how to communicate, you know, like because we haven't had
663
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:09.880
to talk through things like this before the lifestyle, because
664
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:13.960
we were because my mindset was more like what do
665
00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:18.800
I do to make my husband happy? And that sounds horrible,
666
00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:21.920
but like that was kind of my mindset, like I'm
667
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:25.960
doing this for my husband, doing this for eternal, have
668
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:30.280
a house in heaven, you know whatever, you know, but yeah,
669
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:33.800
I don't know. It's it's a neat a neat change.
670
00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:36.079
Me. Let me just comment on one thing you said,
671
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:38.280
and I understand you were just trying to figure out
672
00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:41.079
where it was and maybe your perception of it within
673
00:36:41.199 --> 00:36:45.159
the church. But your job, you said, was just to
674
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:47.840
make your husband happy. I bet your husband on a
675
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:51.320
level believes my job is to make Jenna happy. You know,
676
00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:55.239
maybe we look at that and it's not maybe we
677
00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:57.960
can't look at it in such a negative way because
678
00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:01.519
of the negative circumstances you had, so that we have
679
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:03.519
to look at it as, Oh, guess what, I just
680
00:37:03.559 --> 00:37:06.960
figured out what love is. You know, I get joy
681
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:10.760
crazy out of making you happy. You get joy out
682
00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:12.239
of making me Persian.
683
00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:14.599
That's what it is. That's what I'm okay, all right,
684
00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:16.039
all right, don't come to me.
685
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:17.840
I will google it afterwards.
686
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:23.559
Yes, getting happiness from seeing your your partner happy, you know.
687
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:28.239
And yeah, and it's just like so giving, it so loving.
688
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:31.079
It's so like like when I said what the church
689
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:34.039
should be? You know, sure, so this is our church.
690
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:36.599
There's some country song out there that's like, this is
691
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:37.920
you know, my church?
692
00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:40.719
Can I tell you? It didn't even click with me
693
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:44.639
until just now that So what I do on the
694
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.199
show is I pair the Brand New Faces performers up
695
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:49.960
with a mainstream performer and we put it out at
696
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:53.400
the same time and during the same week. And what
697
00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:56.639
I really like to do is try and find people
698
00:37:56.719 --> 00:37:58.840
that fit even though they don't know each other at all.
699
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:03.599
On this season and if people are listening to this now,
700
00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:07.039
Christy's episode came out earlier in the week. Brand New
701
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:10.320
Faces comes out Tuesday, you know, Friday's Going Deeper comes
702
00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:16.320
out Tuesdays. I interviewed Christy Love, who was a pastor, comedian,
703
00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:18.440
and porn star at the same time.
704
00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:20.880
They had their own same time.
705
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:25.000
Yes, she was definitely a pastor, and a porn star
706
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:27.519
at the same time. They had their own church when
707
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:31.519
they broke off, but she also had wonderful church stories
708
00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:34.960
and explaining how it felt coming out of that system
709
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:39.960
and changing your mindset. So I you know, that's crazy. Yeah,
710
00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:43.519
it's really, It's like sometimes it just fits perfectly, you know.
711
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:47.519
So check that episode out if you haven't already, folks.
712
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:51.360
All right, couple more questions here. What is something we
713
00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:56.119
are looking to hit maybe this year some either a
714
00:38:56.159 --> 00:39:00.639
plateau or you want to do either a specific nichure,
715
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:03.119
a type of thing, like is there anything you too
716
00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:05.360
are looking at and going we just need to plan
717
00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:07.920
that and that is gonna be killer.
718
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:15.840
Yeah, I think, hmm, that's a great question. I probably
719
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:21.960
should have thought of this beforehand. I think are my
720
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:24.679
focus and my husband's focus when it comes to like
721
00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:28.440
business is like we just want to do a ton
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of collabs and mainly, you know, one of the obviously
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for selfish reasons, because we want to get ourselves out there,
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but like we also want to like surround ourselves with
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like minded people, you know, And so I think that
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that's probably like on the list of things that is
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just to keep continuous collabs going. And being able to
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you know, there's a lot of things that like hold
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me back, like the real life, you know, like I
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have to have a full time job and things like that,
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you know, But yeah, I would say that that's probably
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like where my where my like business mind is headed.
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I do get excited when I think about like pro
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porn and and I think that I'm still learning like
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what exactly that that is as well, Like, but I
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see like certain things out there, like you know, I
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don't know, but yeah, that gets me excited to look
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and sit and think like, oh that could be Like sure,
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there's no reason why that couldn't be me. You know,
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if I work hard enough. That's I listen to a
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podcast where it's two girls who have only fans and
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they're just like, you know, the people in this this
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world are some of the hardest working people. Like you
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work hard and it pays, It literally pays, and and
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then the benefit of it is you start to develop
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this community of people that's like amazing. You know, you
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just kind of like make friends along the way too.
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It's so funny. The vanilla stigma, looking at it from
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the outside is oh, yeah, you wake up, you go
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have sex with a guy for you know, a half hour,
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you go home, you collect your fifty thousand dollars paycheck,
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and then you never have to go on social media again.
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And I have to tell them.
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Where did I get that?
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Yeah, right, yes, I think you got to work in
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banking for that. But but I tell these people that's
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so incorrect. These girls traded in an eight hour office
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job for a sixteen hour like personal dig deep into
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your life job. Right. Yeah, So hey, if you are
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morally against Born, I can't stop you. But don't ever
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call him lazy.
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Okay, don't for sure until you see somebody that or
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have it. They it's just there's no concept there of that,
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you know. Like like, for I have learned of a
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lot of people who are in my position where we're
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working full time jobs and then we're also trying to
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to get this up up and going, which is honestly
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like another full time job. So it's like like in
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my head, I'm like, yeah, this is hard work. This
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this is really hard, but hopefully all the hard work
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will pay off, you know, in the long run. And
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you know, it's funny.
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People from the outside probably see sex as the job.
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That's not the job. The job part is the production
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and everything, right.
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Yeah, sex part's like ten percent. Yah, you know yeah,
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honestly the lifestyle also maybe twenty percent, but you know.
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Yeah, I'm okay, all right. I have to ask this.
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This is going to be one of my last questions here.
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Is there anything either side in your relationship is slowly
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trying to plant the idea in the head of the
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other person, like, oh man, you know what would be cool?
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Three girls and me and you? That would be fun
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and just like throwing it out there. I don't know
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or do you ever go, like, you know, if we
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could call maybe like six black guys this weekend, we
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could do a real b see fast. But you know
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that's totally up to you. Husband, he would be like,
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yep on it. Is there anything we're trying to trying
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to figure out a way to process or deal with
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a type of thing or something?
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Oh man, I I am like a huge fan of
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just like orgies, like a bunch of people like, to me,
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that's so much fun because it's just like there's so
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many options, like you have, you know, so like you know,
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when you said that about six BBC's, my mind's going
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to like, I mean that six is great, but like
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twenty would be really cool, you know, or whatever. So
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the sky's a limit, you know, as long as you
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have a big enough room. I guess.
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Well, Jenna, I think you are spectacular.
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I wish her let me do this like that's so nice.
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No, I you know, again, like I said at the beginning,
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it's about inviting on the people that actually want to
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work in this or to do stuff in this, or
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enjoy being in this. It's not the hot person who
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passes by and says, maybe I can make a quick buck,
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you know. So look, congratulations on breaking yourself out of
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the prison you felt like you were in for a
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lot of your life. Now yeah, not just church, the body,
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positivity things everything. I think this is a huge step
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for you. I don't know why I'm telling you that now,
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I'm talking about like I'm done film this huge step.
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Yeah it makes sense.
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Yeah, totally totally my guest tonight, Jenna. You can find
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her on Twitter at swing Vixen Jenna, And more importantly,
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when the cash rolls in for you, which should be
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every other Friday maybe if you're working, head on over
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to OnlyFans and check her out at Swinging Vixen Jenna
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links to everything or in the episode description. As always,
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make sure you support the content creators that come on
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the show. Jenna, thank you so much for coming on
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with me tonight.
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Thank you, Matt. This is amazing. You were doing such
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a great thing, just build. Having this platform for p
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You're watching brand new faces. I'm your host, Matt, and
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tonight I'm joined by a very special guest. Now we've
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talked about it a million times on every episode. The
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bare minimum you could do is at least follow these
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folks on social media, help them get those numbers up,
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promote them. Then they could go out, you know, offer
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a little more to these companies that only want to
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see numbers nowadays. But when payday rolls around, you go ooh,
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I got a little bit of cash in my pocket.
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I want you head on over to only fans and
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follow Swinging Vixen Jenna. The Twitter is swing Vixen Jenna,
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but the only fans is Swinging Vixen Jenna. Ladies and gentlemen,
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My guest for the evening, Jenna Jenna. Nice to meet you.
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Hi. I'm so glad to be here.
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I am so glad to have you here.
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So flattered when you asked, so well, you.
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Know what, And let me give you real quick and
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to the audience too, which I do often, But let
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me give you my criteria. It's not just about are
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you hot and online? To me, it's are you part
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of a lifestyle that's interesting? Are you hot and are
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you online? But also are you pursuing this as either
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a fun hobby that you enjoy or something you know
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you see as a career. I don't want just to
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run a mill. A hot girl comes along and she
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wants to pop on and then we never see her again.
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So yeah, going through your profile and checking everything out
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about you, I love what I.
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See, so thank you. Let me start hearing.
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Well, let me say that, and then let me start
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with the third rude of question you can ask a woman. Okay,
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I know what it is. Okay. The first rude is
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question which I am not asking you to answer, but
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I have seen this live in person. First rudeis question
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you can ask a woman is are you pregnant? That
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is rude. You should not ask a woman that. No,
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you don't have to answer. The second ruti ist question
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you can ask a woman is how much you weigh?
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I don't ask that one either. Too many slaps in
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the face for that one.
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That's awesome.
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The third row this question you can ask a woman
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is can I ask how old you are? Je?
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Yes, I am forty two.
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You look damn good for forty two. Let me just
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say that.
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I had to check today. I was like, I think
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I'm forty one, No, forty teen.
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I'm thirty eight, and you start like counting the numbers.
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You actually your things matter, It doesn't matter anymore. Let
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me ask you.
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All right.
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I grew up listening to rap music, and I do
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not understand what any of the measurements are even to
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this day. So I came up with my own little metrics.
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I wanted to run by. Could I ask you what
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your height is?
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Yes, I'm five to two, okay.
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Could I ask you what that wonderful cup size is?
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I think it's c Okay, Okay, you know that's what
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they tell me when you get measured. You never know. Okay,
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all right, that's what I buy.
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And not necessarily my king, but I have no issue
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with it whatsoever. Can I ask you what your shoe
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size is?
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I am seven and a half.
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Wonderful okay, Now, Jenna, take me through it. Can you
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tell me how you decided to cross over from Vanilla
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into the adult entertainment industry in whatever format? Was the
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first thing you did? Were you camming? Did you strip
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at some point when you were nineteen? What was the
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first time when you crossed that barrier from Vanilla quote
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unquote vanilla life into this world.
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So it was when I hit forty. We have kind
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of a crazy story. Up until forty. We were involved
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in church heavily, and then we left that and or
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and after that we kind of got to the point
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where we decided we're not going to let people tell
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us what to do anymore. And so at that point,
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I didn't know anything about the I'd heard about swinging,
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but I didn't know what the lifestyle was at all.
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But my husband had kind of mentioned like a few
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things here and there about like bringing a guy in
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or things like that, and it just got me super curious.
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But the kind of person I am is like I
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need information, and so I just got on the internet
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and I got on podcasts and like just started listening
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to a lot of like swing podcasts, super body forward podcasts,
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and I got all the information out there. It took
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me probably like a month to kind of like get
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all the information. And then one of the podcasts was like,
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you can't do anything else except just try, and so
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that's what I mean, and my husband decided to do
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is just kind of like jump in the area that
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we live in is super close to like this amazing
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resort and a lifestyle resort, I guess is a good
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thing to call it. And yeah, we just jumped in
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kind of body first, let.
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Me ask you, so you mentioned a few things in there,
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and I really want to there's a lot of meat
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on that bone. Let me just ask one thing though.
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You said you were listening to swinging podcasts but also
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body positivity podcast Was that something you had to overcome?
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Did you have any issue with your body? Yeah? Would
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you mind? And was it something you I don't know
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if you can tell. I'm a little bit of a
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chubbier gentleman myself, and I always have no trust me.
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I am the doctor, lets me know, but uh, it
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is always something that's like on my mind. Like I
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interview some of the most beautiful women in the world,
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and if any of them offered themselves to me, even
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if my wife allowed it, I'd be so no, no, no,
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I don't want you to see me without my shirt on.
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So what kind of body positivity did you have to develop?
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And when you got into this lifestyle, how did it
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help you even more start developing it?
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Yeah? So the culture that I grew up in was
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very like cover up, like keep that we as the
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girls and a the women were responsible for the thoughts
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of men around us, which is just it's like a
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horrible way of thinking. And so yeah, I remember. It
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kind of makes me mad now because I'm like, oh,
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those were the best, Like that was my best body,
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and I had to sit here and cover it up.
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And so I just grew up thinking I couldn't show anything,
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so I wore sure, you know. We I listened to
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one of your One of the your podcasts that stuck
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with me was one where a girl talked about how
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she was Mormon, and so I grew up. It doesn't
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really exactly matter but Christian, but and yeah, so we
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I just always covered up, and I had low self
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esteem for someone that I feel like I shouldn't have
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had low self esteem, you know. And and I just
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had a lot of pressure on me to do the
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right thing and be the right kind of person and
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dressed a certain way. And yeah, so so coming from
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that to this where it's very women led, it's very
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consent based, which is just like I mean, from the
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outside looking in, you wouldn't think that, but it is.
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and from the second really that we started going, I
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my flaws, like excited to be around other people. When
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we went to the resort for the first time, you
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just see all kinds of people and all kinds of bodies,
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and everybody is just you know, like you might not
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on the inside, you might be like, oh, I don't
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you know, I don't feel my hottest, but like everybody
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just looks like they feel like their best self, you know.
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I have never had in my forty years, you know,
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forty two now.
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But let me okay, let me let me ask this.
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So at forty he does I totally understand the pushing
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back on the you know, how you were raised, or
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the church situation. If it's overly strict and this and that.
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just drank too many beers one night. It seems like
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a and I'm not down, I'm not talking down on
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it at all. It seems like a drastic to shift
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to go from this is a very strict religion. And
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then the husband taps you on the shoulder and goes
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you've ever been double team though, maybe we should try that.
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I mean, was it was it conversations? Was it gradual?
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Was it or were you guys just so sick of
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it that it was like, fuck it, we're going to
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do the opposite.
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I think that was part of it. I think part
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of it was fuck it, We're going to do the opposite.
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So the what we were in the in the church
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was my husband was a pastor, and he was a
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pastor for uh so it's a good little tagline for
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like it was something. It was over ten years and
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so towards I would say, like maybe five years before
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we left, we just started seeing things that we just
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didn't think we're right as far as like sexuality, mainly
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that that was like a big thing. My husband's twin
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brother is gay and he's a drag queen and so
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but when we were taught like that's not okay, and
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we're like no, no, no, here, we I were looking
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at this person, he's amazing, you know whatever. So yeah,
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it's definitely. Yeah, we just kind of got to a
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place where we were like screw it, you know, like
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and there was a lot of that we want to
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do the opposite of what we were, you know. But
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with the scene, and you know, because we were also
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we also were brought up taught that pornography was of
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the devil, you know, and so like. But you know,
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we got out of the church and were like, hey,
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this is great, you know, like and people they're having
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a great time, and like, you know, so yeah, it's yeah,
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we just got I would say, like the last couple
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of years of us being in the church, we got
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to the point where we wanted to like explore different
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things about our sexuality and that's not okay in that
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kind of arena.
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So sure, not describing your environment, but just in general,
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there comes times when people do something so much and
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are taught this one specific thing, and then you have
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an outside source, almost like your your brother in law
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in this case, where you go, no, I know him,
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he's not evil, he's not a bad person. So what
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else are you twisting a little bit? What else you Oh? Yeah, right.
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It was a huge culture shock for me.
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Sure, So yeah, tell me about the first experience then
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that you may have had with someone other than your husband.
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Was it male, female, who initiated, who set it? Up.
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Did the husband set it up? Did you set it up?
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And tell me your emotions going into it?
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Well, okay, so we decide. You know, I did all
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my research, listen to all these podcasts, you know, read
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all these articles, and then I was like, Grant, you
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might have to bleep that. Sorry, gotcha. Go ahead, okay,
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he said.
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Husband.
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Okay, Husband, Okay, wait, I might have to recheck. Okay,
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ask me the question asked.
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I don't remember the question. Pick it up from Okay, okay,
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go ahead.
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Yeah, okay, So our first experience, go.
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Ahead, first experience. Yeah.
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So our first experience was we had decided we were
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going to go on Valentine's Day to this local resort
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and they have pool parties during the day and so
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I had like a ton of bathing suits and all
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this kind of stuff, and we're just I was really
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looking forward to the I mean, we both were really
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looking forward to it. And so, you know, we get
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there and I was just like I said before, I
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was just excited to see all of the different body
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types all main mainly like the women, just seeing how
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confident everybody, you know, was. So we sat down on
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a chair and my husband was like, hey, you want,
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you know, you want to take your tits out. I
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was like, and I just like pulled one out like
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a second and then I was like I put it
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back on, you know, because like I grew up my
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whole life's thinking like everything had to be covered. Anyways,
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and then we decided to go into uh, I guess
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they call it. I'm trying to think of the best playroom,
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and so we went in there. They have different side,
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they have different rooms. We decided to leave the door
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open and I just started giving my husband head and
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facing my I ass out. We call it my billboard.
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I just kind of, you know, to track people. So
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we were doing that and we had had a conversation
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that was like my husband said, you know, we're gonna
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go at your speed, like whatever you're comfortable with. You
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don't even have to fuck me, you know, like let's
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just go. Let's just go and be relaxed. So, you know,
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we were there, I was getting the head and then
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I just go, you know, I really like someone to
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fuck me. And so my husband was like, oh okay,
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and like just kind of didn one of these things
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with somebody walking by, and it was just it was
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great that the wife ran out and got a condom
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for her husband and didn't even speak the same language.
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I couldn't pick him out of a crowd, uh, And
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it was just like this amazing experience came in. You know,
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we fucked and that was that. And then the next
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weekend we were headed to the same resort and I
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just kind of told my husband, you know, like if
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get there and like if I if I'm okay with
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you and another woman, like just take my word for it,
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just trust me, you know, and you know, he's trying
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not to get excited. And we get there and we
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just went back and we went back to the same
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room in the playroom, and there was another couple there
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and I've done this. I do this thing where I
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don't look up, so I just kind of walk and
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kind of keep my eyes down. And then my husband
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is the one he gets everybody but him and this
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wife kind of locked eyes and they were like, you
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want to, you want to? And that was it. And
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from there we've just kind of dove into this lifestyle
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of just fun and learning to get to know other
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people through this through having sex, you know, which is
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coming from the church where taught that sex is like
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this gift and you can only give it to a
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few people when every time you give it to somebody
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it breaks you know, it's like your heart and then
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it breaks pieces off every time you have sex. And
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we're like in this community, we're like, no, that's not it.
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It's literally just fun. It's literally just sex and it's
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fun and we're getting to know these amazing people and yeah,
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so pretty exciting.
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Yeah that's awesome. Let me ask you, so, so, anytime
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I've ever heard a threesome pitched in life with normal people,
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it's been like, not normal, We're not normal, We're fun.
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I get okay.
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With vanilla people, it's always been, you know, a dude
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going like, would I let my chick and another girl
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blow me? Yeah, sure I would. No one ever goes
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to the second guy first initially, right.
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I know, generally realize that.
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So I have to ask you. It seemed like your
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husband was willing right away, and you were receptive and
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receiving Sorry for the pun, right away, but it seemed
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like you were a little bit questionable at first on
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him going with someone else. What did that did that
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come from? A jealousy thing, a fear thing. Was it,
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Like is it in your head like he's gonna like
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her better? I fucking know it, right.
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All of that, all of that, And honestly, so one
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of the things that happened when we got into this
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lifestyle is my my brain just went like opened up,
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like my world was opened up. And I'm actually at
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a point where, like I'm seeing a therapist because there
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are things about that, like you know, you said jealousy, fear,
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Like I did have a fear that he would find
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somebody that was better and leave me. I did have
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a fear that somebody else was gonna fuck him better,
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and he was gonna he was gonna leave our twenty
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five plus years together to go with somebody else, you know.
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And so we actually came up with the term for it.
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We call it deconstructing monogamy, where like, you know, we've
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been taught this one way and this is the only
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way to do it and all of that. So the
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thing about like what you said, I didn't realize that
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it's more common for people to do like female female
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male first, like to go in and have the female
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because we have been in it for about a year
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and a half now and we just recently have done
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a MFF you know, a male female female yea, And
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it just took a lot for me to learn that.
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I think the biggest thing, like I was saying before,
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is that like I was taught that sex was this
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heavily like feeling, yeah and romantic and yeah, so that's
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how I how I looked at it. And my husband
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that's not how, you know, Like he was like, no,
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this is like I want you to share you I
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would I want other people to have this great experience.
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I want you to have this great experience with other people.
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And and I couldn't figure it took me a while
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to like feel and I'm still definitely figuring that out.
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But yeah, like now I can I use the example
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to my therapist. I'm like, I could be in a
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room and it could be my husband and two thousand
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women and they're just fucking and I don't get jealous.
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But the second he like puts somebody's hair behind her ear,
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I'm like, what gon leave me? You know, and she
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So you know, I'm learning, I'm learning things like that.
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But yeah, yes, it's really it's really interesting that like
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I came into this a little backwards.
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Sure, you know, sure it. You know what was interesting though,
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is we can never apply to ourselves or to other
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people the same standard we apply to ourselves. In this way,
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when you are with your husband and a stranger comes
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up with his wife and he starts fucking from behind,
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I bet not even once did you think I might
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leave my husband for this general It never came into
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your head. No. If I thought of my wife setting
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something up for me to get blown by another woman,
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I would probably have an amazing time. And the whole
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time I would go. Do you know how much I
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would not want to break this woman into my jokes
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to get her to laugh at shit? Do you know
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how to.
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Tell her all your dad all your dad jokes? You know?
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Yeah? Yeah, I do all my quirks and habits and
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everything else. I don't want to do that to someone else.
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I already have that person for me, you know.
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Yeah, So but I couldn't. I knew that logically, Yeah,
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but I couldn't get it through you know, emotionally. I
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think is probably the best way to say it.
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Yeah, And then what was the way that you were
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able to kind of at least push it? Is? It
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is it communication. Is it him saying something along those
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lines like I would never leave you blah blah blahlah
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blah or yeah, go ahead, go ahead, what does it?
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So he's a saint, like honestly, and I think every
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day that we I mean, no relationship is perfect, obviously,
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but I every day that we've been together, he's told
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me how beautiful I am and like all of that,
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and I'll just like, okay, you know things, but like,
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you know, being in this kind of atmosphere, I'm like, no,
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he really does think that, Like I'm the beautiful that's
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not a word, the most beautiful person here, you know.
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Like and like like if you and your wife went,
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you would think she's the most you know, like you said,
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You're like, I wouldn't trade what I had for anything,
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you know. So yeah, it took, honestly, therapy and I've
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just started therapy, but her helping me refrain things and
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just think of yeah, just think of humans in kind
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of a different way too, you know. And and like
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I think one thing that I was taught with the
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church is that other women are like my enemy. And
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because those women are going to make my boyfriend or
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husband sin or stumble or whatever. So like we were
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almost taught this very hateful way of being around other women,
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and so coming into this lifestyle where like women are
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champion for other women, I'm like, oh my god, I
395
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love this, you know, like and getting into like the
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world that I am now, like you know, the the
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only fans side and that kind of world. I've met
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some of the most kind people who are like, here's
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what I did. You know, here's exactly what I'm doing,
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like giving me all of this information to be successful.
401
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You know. It's just like a my husband and I
402
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have been staying since we got in the lifestyle that
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the community, the lifestyle community is literally what a church
404
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should be, like, you know, like the non judgmental like
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I mean, I don't know.
406
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Yeah, you know what it is. It's funny you describe
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something there that makes a lot of sense. It is
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in your religious organization, but then there's other cultural organizations
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that do the same thing, and governments and whatever that
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kind of suppress women.
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Right.
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We don't want you guys being friends and getting too
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much fucking power. Okay, we don't. We don't want you
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getting too much power. Yeah, because the point of industry.
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You see what happens when you get too much power.
416
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It's you run the roost. You guys set the prices,
417
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you do this and that. So coming from areas with strong,
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powerful men, yeah, it makes sense to go. You know,
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she probably talks shit about you, or you don't want
420
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to be her friend. You want to just listen to me,
421
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right right right?
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Yes, And it's so crazy because I'm like, no, like what,
423
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Like I have a friend that's very successful and she's
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just like I said, she's the most giving, like she
425
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wants to offer her help. And any woman I would say,
426
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of any of the women that I've met so far,
427
00:22:58.440 --> 00:23:02.440
have been just like that, not met any hateful people
428
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or like, you know, I'm not gonna tell you this
429
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because you might do better than me or something. You know.
430
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It's like no, Like the friend that's kind of super
431
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helpful to me, she's like, oh, you're gonna as soon
432
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as you start showing your face, you're gonna kill you know,
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like just like supportive and like kind. I don't know,
434
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it's just no, it's a culture I'm not used to,
435
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and I love it.
436
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It makes it makes total sense, it really does. Like
437
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you know, once there's no longer a need for like
438
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the trying to find scraps where you're in an industry
439
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where you guys are in the best possible way possible
440
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of the product. You know, you guys are what is
441
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for sale. That sounds so bad, but it's not, I know,
442
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you know, in my general mind, I just mean the
443
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concept of it. Whatever. When when that happens, there's a
444
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lot of people who've had a lot of power for
445
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a long time who start realizing I'm losing grasp on things.
446
00:23:57.240 --> 00:23:59.720
And you'll see that in this industry too, in terms
447
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of booking new girls a lot early on for mainstream
448
00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:05.759
stuff and then letting it drop off for a while.
449
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And if it drops off long enough, maybe the prices
450
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come down or the rates come down, or this and that.
451
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But things like only fans, things like fans ly, things
452
00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:17.920
like chatterbait, any of the individual things. You are setting
453
00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:21.559
your own standard for what you expect for the work
454
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you deliver. Yep, it is. It's funny. And I am
455
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not making this a political point whatsoever, And I'm not
456
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going to point anything.
457
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Out sound like that. I don't think.
458
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Well, I'm gonna make this point here. It is one
459
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of the greatest examples of capitalism is this industry where
460
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if you're the girl who pops on and is tweeting
461
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twenty hours a day and editing your videos and shooting
462
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them and scheduling everything, you are going to be rich.
463
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There is a market for you, right.
464
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Oh, and there's so much like there's not It's like
465
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we're not going to run out, you know, like sure,
466
00:24:59.079 --> 00:25:02.960
like so somebody can have three million followers. Somebody also
467
00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:06.160
can have three million different followers, you know, or even
468
00:25:06.200 --> 00:25:09.240
the same whatever, but sure, yeah, there's a room for everyone.
469
00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:13.039
It's it's the greatest version of to me, at least,
470
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it's one of the greatest versions of how much work
471
00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:19.200
you put in matters to how much you get out
472
00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:21.759
from it. And a lot of you girls are just
473
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killing it. And I could not be happier when I
474
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see you and only fans model saying I made fifty
475
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four million. Now, for a second, I go, what the
476
00:25:28.599 --> 00:25:32.359
fuck am I doing wrong? But but then I see
477
00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:34.640
the tits and I go, oh, yeah, that that's why
478
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I'll have this. Yeah, So talk me through this. How
479
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do we then decide now that we are doing this
480
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in our personal life, we're enjoying this, we're engaging with this,
481
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How do we take it the next step further? How
482
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do we go I need everyone to see this ass
483
00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:56.200
And And was that another level of fear and another
484
00:25:56.319 --> 00:25:59.559
level of locking in like body comfort and all that
485
00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:01.519
tell me about your decision to go into that.
486
00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:06.720
Yeah. So so one of the podcasts that I listened
487
00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:10.359
to she also has and only fans, and and they've
488
00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:12.599
her and her husband or her and her husband have
489
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been only fans and they've gone on there and like,
490
00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:19.279
you know, told how to be successful and things like that.
491
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And we have figured out that we like being watched.
492
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I think we've known that for a while and so
493
00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:33.880
and we have always like videotaped ourselves, and then we
494
00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:36.640
get into this lifestyle and like other people, they're like,
495
00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:38.599
let's do it, you know, we want to look back
496
00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:41.920
on these things. And so we got to the point
497
00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:45.480
where we're like, we might be making we can maybe
498
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make money for this, you know. And but I had
499
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:54.359
a fear of the way that we left the church
500
00:26:54.480 --> 00:27:03.440
slash were forcibly removed was very embarrassing and like dehumanizing,
501
00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:07.400
and so I knew that I wanted to start in
502
00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:12.640
only fans actually read this really good, good book. I
503
00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:15.279
don't know it's called hold On, I got it right there.
504
00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:21.960
Margot's got money problems, Margot's Got money troubles, and they
505
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:25.039
actually have a TV show on Netflix and it's amazing. Anyways,
506
00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:28.920
joined this book club. We started reading them and she,
507
00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:31.880
I guess I don't want to give away the book,
508
00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:36.119
but basically she starts doing only fans and kind of
509
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:38.640
goes through a lot of the same feelings that I'm
510
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:41.640
going through, where like, oh, like I have this confidence,
511
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Oh I can like set my own rights, like I
512
00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:46.400
can determine my own worth, you know, things like that,
513
00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:51.400
and so that kind of got my brain thinking about it,
514
00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:55.359
and then we went to the yeah, let's just try it,
515
00:27:55.440 --> 00:28:01.680
like you know, what's the harm. And honestly, until very
516
00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:04.839
very recently, we were you can only see my face
517
00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:10.160
behind a paywall, and I'm I just now have got
518
00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:12.839
like an offer to do like kind of step up
519
00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:19.559
a little bit in the industry. And with that they're like, Okay,
520
00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:20.920
you either show your face or you don't, you know,
521
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:23.039
and I'm like, you know what, We're gonna do it.
522
00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:26.000
You know, like I've been humiliated beyond bee Leaf with
523
00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:28.920
other things. So like we've been here, we've done that,
524
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:33.519
and I think just the main thing is like I
525
00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:37.440
just don't want my parents to find out, but they're gonna. Yeah.
526
00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:41.599
You know. My thing is if you're if you're there,
527
00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:45.359
you're there too. You know, if you're if you're finding me,
528
00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:46.759
you're finding me because you're there.
529
00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:50.759
So yeah, yeah. You know what's funny is you can
530
00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:53.440
look back someday and tell someone they'll go, how did
531
00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:55.720
you get in the porn? And your answer is church
532
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:59.160
and books? You know that, right? Your answer is church
533
00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:03.519
and books? Yeah, the Internet's just like the internet.
534
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:04.519
How true that is?
535
00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:07.519
The Internet is destroying children's minds? What got you into
536
00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:09.599
church and books? Okay?
537
00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:13.759
Yeah, so's you know and smutty boogs?
538
00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:18.599
Sure, so let me get into that then. So what
539
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:21.880
have we done on film? Is it strictly you and
540
00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:26.000
husband performing scenes? Is it other people you've brought in?
541
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:29.200
Talked me through what your contract? If I head on
542
00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:32.960
over to OnlyFans dot Com. Slash Swinging Vix and Jenna
543
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:36.519
links to everything are in the episode description as always,
544
00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:38.119
you know our deal, tell me what I'm going to
545
00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:39.079
see if I head over there.
546
00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:42.200
So you are going to see just a plethora of stuff.
547
00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:46.319
There is a good bit with me and my husband,
548
00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:51.400
but we actually started thinking about like the business side
549
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:54.880
of things too, and we're like, like, chat GBT has
550
00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:59.119
been super helpful. The one that's associated to X has
551
00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:01.240
been because it gives you a bunch of facts and stuff.
552
00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:03.880
So we were like, what is you know, what do
553
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:09.599
people want to see? And for my category being a milf,
554
00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:14.039
people want to see BBC's you know, And I'm like, hey,
555
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:17.599
that's fun for me. So if you go over to
556
00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:21.200
my only fans right now, I have a good amount
557
00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:26.720
of BBC videos, Like I just did one outside on
558
00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:31.559
public property, I mean not public private. I'm sorry, I'm
559
00:30:31.559 --> 00:30:35.400
at fred and that was, oh my gosh, a blast.
560
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:39.880
That was just with one one BBC. But I've done
561
00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:44.920
uh two BBC's my friend, and I said, that's been
562
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:46.599
so kind to me. She's let me come in on
563
00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:48.640
some of her gang bangs, which had just been like
564
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:52.400
they're just so fun to me, you know, like, and
565
00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:54.279
I think part of it is that part of my
566
00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:58.160
brain that wants to be like like go the opposite
567
00:30:58.200 --> 00:31:01.839
direction of everything. So I'm sure my therapist can figure
568
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:03.599
that out, you know, That's what that's what we're pay
569
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:06.359
him for. But yeah, so if you go over to
570
00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:07.759
my page, you're going to see a lot of that,
571
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:12.599
a lot of boobs, a lot of a lot of ass,
572
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:14.599
Like my thing is my ass, you know. I know
573
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:16.960
I'm having to share this part right now.
574
00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:21.119
But yeah, okay, all right, maybe at the end we
575
00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:24.880
get a twirl, not not guaranteed, Hey, coming for it.
576
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:29.119
Stick around and listen, folks, okay and watch. Can I
577
00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:31.480
ask this and again if any of this gets too personal,
578
00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:34.759
just let me know. Does your husband film all of
579
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:37.160
your scenes with these people or is it other people
580
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:37.599
as well?
581
00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:41.200
Okay, yeah, So one thing about my husband is when
582
00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:43.759
he gets into something, he's like sure, full force, you know,
583
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:47.559
and so he's got all the I mean, we shoot
584
00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:51.160
most everything with our iPhones, but he's got like like
585
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:54.640
a holder and microphone and you know, a chest strap,
586
00:31:54.920 --> 00:31:57.119
you know. So it's we've had like some po V
587
00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:00.920
stuff like so that not necessarily my husband has done it,
588
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:03.880
but we've had other people where the it's you know,
589
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:06.079
something that straps on them and then it puts the
590
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:10.839
phone on there. So yeah, so if he's not involved
591
00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:12.599
in it, then he's probably and then he's filming it
592
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:17.079
because if I if it's left up to me, I'll
593
00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:20.079
have it face in the corner or something. You know. Sure, yeah,
594
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:22.119
it's a mastermind behind it.
595
00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:24.519
My Jenna has to put up with the same bullshit
596
00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:26.200
where I get a little bit of an idea and
597
00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:28.720
we go, well, now we need all the equipment for.
598
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:30.759
It, but you have to you know.
599
00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:33.200
Yeah, I mean hey, but you know what that is
600
00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:36.720
commitment to a thing, you know, and that's what sets
601
00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:39.160
you apart from a hot girl that just pops on
602
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:41.079
and posts a picture of a pit and then never
603
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:41.920
shows back up.
604
00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:42.480
Yeah.
605
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:46.920
Can I ask this about your husband? So I was
606
00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:50.079
blown away by all the Swinger interviews I had done
607
00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:53.319
over this past season where I was like, that is
608
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:57.359
so not what I would have thought it is. Is
609
00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:02.759
your husband into the cuckold aspect at all? Is there
610
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:05.880
any talking to him, is there any humiliation to him
611
00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:08.799
anything that he likes in that aspect or the more
612
00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:10.799
common thing I've seen. Only because you think of the
613
00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:13.319
word cook or cuckoldah blah blah blah, you associate it
614
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:15.680
with that, and then you would go, well, this gentleman's
615
00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:18.079
wife has sex with other guys, so I would think that,
616
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:22.599
But is it more him watching you be pleasured? That
617
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:25.240
he really enjoys, do you know if it's one of
618
00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:25.640
the two.
619
00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:30.759
Yeah, So we've actually had this conversation a few times.
620
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Like and you were talking about communication before, and we
621
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:40.640
heard this coming into the lifestyle, but like if you
622
00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:45.119
can't communicate, that's an issue. So like another thing for
623
00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:49.440
me I found out coming into the lifestyle that with
624
00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:54.039
one hundred percent certainty, like I am neuro divergent, and
625
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:58.599
that's affected our conversations, you know, And so okay, so
626
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:00.799
you're talking about that part of it. So we've also
627
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:05.319
learned that there are different kind of like cuckholds, and
628
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:08.400
there are different kinds of ways of doing things. So
629
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:15.079
if you're a cuckhold, then you're not necessarily being humiliated,
630
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:19.280
you know. Because for me, I like I feel like
631
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:21.880
I have like a heart that like I would cry,
632
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:24.519
you know, if I had to humiliate my husband, I
633
00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:28.679
would cry, you know. But other people love it, you know,
634
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:31.719
and like that's their kink, and you know, we don't.
635
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:35.199
I don't judge anybody else, you know, even if it's
636
00:34:35.239 --> 00:34:37.800
something that I don't want to do, it's fine, you
637
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:42.679
do you you know, like whatever, And so I've we
638
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:45.400
had a conversation one time where I was like, so,
639
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:49.360
tell me, like what about this, you know, do you
640
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:54.880
love and he loves to watch me get fucked or
641
00:34:55.119 --> 00:34:57.639
play and stuff, and I asked him, I was like, okay,
642
00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:01.000
rate it like with getting to you know, getting to
643
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:04.599
be with another person. He's like, you know, like they're
644
00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:07.199
kind of close, and I'm like, for my brain, I
645
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:10.280
can't I can't understand it, you know, I can't comprehend it.
646
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:15.440
But he loves it, you know, And and then I love
647
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:17.119
that he loves it. And then we're all turned to
648
00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:20.320
you know, it's like a circle. It works out for everybody.
649
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:25.559
But yeah, but there's a word for it, and it's
650
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:28.239
not coming to my mind right now, but where like
651
00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:33.039
you see your partner having this great experience and you're
652
00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:35.320
so happy for them. You know, it starts with the
653
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:38.800
sea and it'll come to me in a minute. But yeah,
654
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:41.880
it's so I see him and I'm like, oh my god,
655
00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:44.079
look at that Look at that girl's ass. You know,
656
00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:47.800
I'm like, that must feel so great. Does that feel great?
657
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:50.239
You know? He's like, yeah, having a great time, you know.
658
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:53.039
So I don't know, it's just like to me, it's
659
00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:56.880
just like joy. It's just happiness and joy, and I
660
00:35:56.880 --> 00:35:59.679
would be lying to say that we haven't hit issues,
661
00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:03.119
but a lot of the issues are me figuring out
662
00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:06.119
how to communicate, you know, like because we haven't had
663
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:09.880
to talk through things like this before the lifestyle, because
664
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:13.960
we were because my mindset was more like what do
665
00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:18.800
I do to make my husband happy? And that sounds horrible,
666
00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:21.920
but like that was kind of my mindset, like I'm
667
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:25.960
doing this for my husband, doing this for eternal, have
668
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:30.280
a house in heaven, you know whatever, you know, but yeah,
669
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:33.800
I don't know. It's it's a neat a neat change.
670
00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:36.079
Me. Let me just comment on one thing you said,
671
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:38.280
and I understand you were just trying to figure out
672
00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:41.079
where it was and maybe your perception of it within
673
00:36:41.199 --> 00:36:45.159
the church. But your job, you said, was just to
674
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:47.840
make your husband happy. I bet your husband on a
675
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:51.320
level believes my job is to make Jenna happy. You know,
676
00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:55.239
maybe we look at that and it's not maybe we
677
00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:57.960
can't look at it in such a negative way because
678
00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:01.519
of the negative circumstances you had, so that we have
679
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:03.519
to look at it as, Oh, guess what, I just
680
00:37:03.559 --> 00:37:06.960
figured out what love is. You know, I get joy
681
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:10.760
crazy out of making you happy. You get joy out
682
00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:12.239
of making me Persian.
683
00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:14.599
That's what it is. That's what I'm okay, all right,
684
00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:16.039
all right, don't come to me.
685
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:17.840
I will google it afterwards.
686
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:23.559
Yes, getting happiness from seeing your your partner happy, you know.
687
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:28.239
And yeah, and it's just like so giving, it so loving.
688
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:31.079
It's so like like when I said what the church
689
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:34.039
should be? You know, sure, so this is our church.
690
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:36.599
There's some country song out there that's like, this is
691
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:37.920
you know, my church?
692
00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:40.719
Can I tell you? It didn't even click with me
693
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:44.639
until just now that So what I do on the
694
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.199
show is I pair the Brand New Faces performers up
695
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:49.960
with a mainstream performer and we put it out at
696
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:53.400
the same time and during the same week. And what
697
00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:56.639
I really like to do is try and find people
698
00:37:56.719 --> 00:37:58.840
that fit even though they don't know each other at all.
699
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:03.599
On this season and if people are listening to this now,
700
00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:07.039
Christy's episode came out earlier in the week. Brand New
701
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:10.320
Faces comes out Tuesday, you know, Friday's Going Deeper comes
702
00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:16.320
out Tuesdays. I interviewed Christy Love, who was a pastor, comedian,
703
00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:18.440
and porn star at the same time.
704
00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:20.880
They had their own same time.
705
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:25.000
Yes, she was definitely a pastor, and a porn star
706
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:27.519
at the same time. They had their own church when
707
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:31.519
they broke off, but she also had wonderful church stories
708
00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:34.960
and explaining how it felt coming out of that system
709
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:39.960
and changing your mindset. So I you know, that's crazy. Yeah,
710
00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:43.519
it's really, It's like sometimes it just fits perfectly, you know.
711
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:47.519
So check that episode out if you haven't already, folks.
712
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:51.360
All right, couple more questions here. What is something we
713
00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:56.119
are looking to hit maybe this year some either a
714
00:38:56.159 --> 00:39:00.639
plateau or you want to do either a specific nichure,
715
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:03.119
a type of thing, like is there anything you too
716
00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:05.360
are looking at and going we just need to plan
717
00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:07.920
that and that is gonna be killer.
718
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:15.840
Yeah, I think, hmm, that's a great question. I probably
719
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:21.960
should have thought of this beforehand. I think are my
720
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:24.679
focus and my husband's focus when it comes to like
721
00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:28.440
business is like we just want to do a ton
722
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:33.599
of collabs and mainly, you know, one of the obviously
723
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:37.280
for selfish reasons, because we want to get ourselves out there,
724
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:40.840
but like we also want to like surround ourselves with
725
00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:43.920
like minded people, you know, And so I think that
726
00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:48.079
that's probably like on the list of things that is
727
00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:52.360
just to keep continuous collabs going. And being able to
728
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:55.039
you know, there's a lot of things that like hold
729
00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:58.039
me back, like the real life, you know, like I
730
00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:00.960
have to have a full time job and things like that,
731
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:04.480
you know, But yeah, I would say that that's probably
732
00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:09.079
like where my where my like business mind is headed.
733
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:12.679
I do get excited when I think about like pro
734
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:17.159
porn and and I think that I'm still learning like
735
00:40:17.239 --> 00:40:20.599
what exactly that that is as well, Like, but I
736
00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:25.159
see like certain things out there, like you know, I
737
00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:29.280
don't know, but yeah, that gets me excited to look
738
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:32.119
and sit and think like, oh that could be Like sure,
739
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:33.920
there's no reason why that couldn't be me. You know,
740
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:36.800
if I work hard enough. That's I listen to a
741
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:40.519
podcast where it's two girls who have only fans and
742
00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:44.239
they're just like, you know, the people in this this
743
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:47.039
world are some of the hardest working people. Like you
744
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:51.599
work hard and it pays, It literally pays, and and
745
00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:54.639
then the benefit of it is you start to develop
746
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:58.039
this community of people that's like amazing. You know, you
747
00:40:58.159 --> 00:40:59.840
just kind of like make friends along the way too.
748
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:02.599
It's so funny. The vanilla stigma, looking at it from
749
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:05.599
the outside is oh, yeah, you wake up, you go
750
00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:09.000
have sex with a guy for you know, a half hour,
751
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:12.679
you go home, you collect your fifty thousand dollars paycheck,
752
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:14.599
and then you never have to go on social media again.
753
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:15.599
And I have to tell them.
754
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:16.360
Where did I get that?
755
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:19.079
Yeah, right, yes, I think you got to work in
756
00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:23.920
banking for that. But but I tell these people that's
757
00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:26.840
so incorrect. These girls traded in an eight hour office
758
00:41:26.920 --> 00:41:30.760
job for a sixteen hour like personal dig deep into
759
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:34.960
your life job. Right. Yeah, So hey, if you are
760
00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:38.880
morally against Born, I can't stop you. But don't ever
761
00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:39.880
call him lazy.
762
00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:45.840
Okay, don't for sure until you see somebody that or
763
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:50.039
have it. They it's just there's no concept there of that,
764
00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:53.159
you know. Like like, for I have learned of a
765
00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:56.480
lot of people who are in my position where we're
766
00:41:56.519 --> 00:42:00.199
working full time jobs and then we're also trying to
767
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:02.719
to get this up up and going, which is honestly
768
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:05.519
like another full time job. So it's like like in
769
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:07.920
my head, I'm like, yeah, this is hard work. This
770
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:10.400
this is really hard, but hopefully all the hard work
771
00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:13.039
will pay off, you know, in the long run. And
772
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:15.760
you know, it's funny.
773
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:18.079
People from the outside probably see sex as the job.
774
00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:21.119
That's not the job. The job part is the production
775
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:22.840
and everything, right.
776
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:25.599
Yeah, sex part's like ten percent. Yah, you know yeah,
777
00:42:26.199 --> 00:42:29.559
honestly the lifestyle also maybe twenty percent, but you know.
778
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:32.800
Yeah, I'm okay, all right. I have to ask this.
779
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:35.239
This is going to be one of my last questions here.
780
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:40.480
Is there anything either side in your relationship is slowly
781
00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:43.400
trying to plant the idea in the head of the
782
00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:47.400
other person, like, oh man, you know what would be cool?
783
00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:51.079
Three girls and me and you? That would be fun
784
00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:52.880
and just like throwing it out there. I don't know
785
00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:55.719
or do you ever go, like, you know, if we
786
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:58.639
could call maybe like six black guys this weekend, we
787
00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:01.039
could do a real b see fast. But you know
788
00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:03.679
that's totally up to you. Husband, he would be like,
789
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:09.119
yep on it. Is there anything we're trying to trying
790
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:11.760
to figure out a way to process or deal with
791
00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:13.719
a type of thing or something?
792
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:19.960
Oh man, I I am like a huge fan of
793
00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:25.159
just like orgies, like a bunch of people like, to me,
794
00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:28.199
that's so much fun because it's just like there's so
795
00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:30.880
many options, like you have, you know, so like you know,
796
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:34.119
when you said that about six BBC's, my mind's going
797
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:36.480
to like, I mean that six is great, but like
798
00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:40.880
twenty would be really cool, you know, or whatever. So
799
00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:43.559
the sky's a limit, you know, as long as you
800
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:45.719
have a big enough room. I guess.
801
00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:51.320
Well, Jenna, I think you are spectacular.
802
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:55.960
I wish her let me do this like that's so nice.
803
00:43:56.119 --> 00:43:58.760
No, I you know, again, like I said at the beginning,
804
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:01.199
it's about inviting on the people that actually want to
805
00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:03.280
work in this or to do stuff in this, or
806
00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:06.119
enjoy being in this. It's not the hot person who
807
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:08.599
passes by and says, maybe I can make a quick buck,
808
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:14.280
you know. So look, congratulations on breaking yourself out of
809
00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:16.480
the prison you felt like you were in for a
810
00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:18.920
lot of your life. Now yeah, not just church, the body,
811
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:22.400
positivity things everything. I think this is a huge step
812
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:24.360
for you. I don't know why I'm telling you that now,
813
00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:26.719
I'm talking about like I'm done film this huge step.
814
00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:27.960
Yeah it makes sense.
815
00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:31.920
Yeah, totally totally my guest tonight, Jenna. You can find
816
00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:37.000
her on Twitter at swing Vixen Jenna, And more importantly,
817
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:38.880
when the cash rolls in for you, which should be
818
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:42.639
every other Friday maybe if you're working, head on over
819
00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:46.920
to OnlyFans and check her out at Swinging Vixen Jenna
820
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:50.199
links to everything or in the episode description. As always,
821
00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:52.880
make sure you support the content creators that come on
822
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:55.199
the show. Jenna, thank you so much for coming on
823
00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:55.880
with me tonight.
824
00:44:55.960 --> 00:44:58.719
Thank you, Matt. This is amazing. You were doing such
825
00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:01.400
a great thing, just build. Having this platform for p