Emily Gorcenski

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War is immoral, poverty is immoral,
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racism is immoral,
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police brutality is immoral,
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oppression is immoral,
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genocide is immoral,
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imperialism is immoral.
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This country represents all those things.
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Hello.
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Emily Gorsenski may be most well-known for
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her writings on far-right extremism or her
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digital activism,
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but that's not the only reason she's
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today's guest on Global Warning.
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Emily didn't just attend the Unite the
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Right rally in Charlottesville.
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The Nazis chanted blood and soil,
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marching through her hometown with tiki
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torches, and she was assaulted repeatedly.
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Worse,
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this was only the beginning of what would
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amount to years of on and offline
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harassment and endangerment at the hands
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of far-right actors.
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If you know me,
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then you know Unite the Right was a
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rallying cry.
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I came out of musical retirement to record
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the song, Heather Heyer,
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and later interviewed Heather's mom,
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Susan Brough, on my first podcast,
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The Awkward Interviews.
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Heather, as many know,
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was murdered by a Nazi who ran her
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down with his pickup truck in one of
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the first documented instances of a now
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spreading trend.
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As for Emily,
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she's one of my heroes for what she's
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endured and how she's bravely persevered.
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Like me,
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Emily believes strongly in building an
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equitable internet that fosters
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collaboration, community, and autonomy.
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She wants the same for the physical world.
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Today on Global Warning episode four,
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I speak with Emily Gorsensky about what
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it's really like to face the ire of
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the far right,
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her background in data science and its
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role in her daily work,
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her take on the national landscape,
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and finally,
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her visions for a more humane internet and
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world.
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Emily.
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Welcome to the show.
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Everybody, please be sure to like,
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subscribe, follow Emily on Blue Sky,
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and be sure to super fan, member,
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et cetera,
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because that's how you get the exclusive
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extras.
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Emily,
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I know everyone wants to hear about your
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experience being doxed and swatted,
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but we'll close with that.
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First,
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tell me how you got into data science
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and how you leveraged that for your work
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today, exposing far-right extremism.
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Sure thing.
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And thanks for having me here.
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I guess to start, you know,
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I got into data science because I was
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a mathematician.
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I always liked working with numbers.
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I liked working with data.
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And what I think compelled me about data
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is that you're always trying to find the
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deeper truth, right?
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The universe is constantly lying to us.
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It makes us want to believe easy things
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when more complicated things are sitting
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under the surface.
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And I think as a data scientist,
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what you do or what you need to
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do to be good at data science is
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to learn how to ask the question behind
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the question and to really dig for deeper
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truths,
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whether that is in looking at signal
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processing,
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whether that is looking at text analysis,
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or whether that's trying to understand
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networks of extremists or terror
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movements.
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yeah that makes good sense um so how
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if at all does this impact your
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perspective on the current state of the
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country obviously as a data scientist and
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to your point a minute ago you are
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looking underneath what is out there for
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everyone to see so as someone who may
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know more than you know the average
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mainstream uh media viewer where do you
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see us headed i think you know one
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thing about
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where we are right now as a society
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is we're always looking for easy answers,
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right?
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I think we have this very hyped up
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accelerated media ecosystem.
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We have this sort of full contact
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participatory political system now where
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it's not just enough to be part of
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a party.
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You have to be online.
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You have to be competing in social media.
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I don't even want to say participating
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because it really is all about competing.
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And what that does is that drives people
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to try to find easy answers.
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they're really happy to stop at a headline
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if it tells them what they want to
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believe is true,
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whether that is on their side or against
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their side, right?
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And very few people stop to look through
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and look at the deeper questions,
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you know, what is the actual reality,
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to try to find the nuance and to
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try to find, you know,
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what are the actual factors driving these,
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you know, politics,
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these economic decisions,
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these social situations, right?
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And I think that that's, you know,
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I think that that's unfortunate.
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I think that one of the benefits I've
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had for being a data scientist for my
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entire career is that you really do have
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to stop and say, like, hey,
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is this data too good to be true?
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Because if it feels like it's tailor-made
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for what I want to believe,
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it's probably too good to be true, right?
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So you have to look deeper.
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And I think that if we had that
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skill set, you know, today, more broadly,
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we might be in a better spot.
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Right, if we all had that skill set,
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that would definitely be helpful because
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it's not unknown that not only do people
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make decisions or come to conclusions
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based on headlines,
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but they're also posting based off of
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that.
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And as you said, it's competing.
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Everyone's competing for attention,
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whereas behind the scenes,
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there's collaboration.
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And interestingly,
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one of the fascist platforms, Instagram,
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incorporated this collaboration option.
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So in a weird way,
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we are collaborating now on at least one
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of these apps where we are communicating
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behind the scenes at the very least to
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determine what to share publicly at the
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same time.
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Although obviously there's a lot more than
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just on social media.
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So you pointed at the media and our
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lack of education on how to dissect it.
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That's clearly a major issue,
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has been forever.
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And to me,
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it seems like it's getting worse.
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I've never seen it look more like state
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propaganda than it looks now.
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So if at all,
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how has your outlook changed since Trump's
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reelection and the beginning of the
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incorporation of Project Twenty Twenty
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Five?
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Yeah, you know, I have,
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my outlook hasn't really changed too much
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at all, right?
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Because I think one of the things about
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being from Charlottesville is that we
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already saw this seven years ago, right?
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So, you know, for a lot of people,
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it's starting to hit their communities for
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the first time,
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or it's starting to actually feel real.
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And we saw this, you know,
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for the last almost decade, right?
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Eight years now since the attack.
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And we've been through this whole,
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you know,
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We've been slandered as extremists and
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terrorists.
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We've been, you know,
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we sat through this whole national
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discourse of like,
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did Trump really say that there were very
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fine people on both sides, you know,
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and nitpicking his words and all of this
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stuff.
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You know,
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this whole sort of retconning of what
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actually happened, like, oh,
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they weren't actually chanting Jews will
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not replace us,
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as if I didn't see it with my
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own eyes and hear it with my own
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ears, right?
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And so we kind of have been through
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all that.
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So nothing has really changed for me.
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you know, with Project Twenty Twenty Five,
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with Trump, any of this stuff.
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I think that.
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Interesting.
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If one thing that we need to understand
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is that this is how it works.
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Right.
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And you shouldn't be blindsided by
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something like Project Twenty Twenty Five.
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Right.
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Because people who have been doing
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activist work in this space have known for
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years,
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have named the Heritage Foundation for
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years saying they have an agenda.
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This is how they're going to do it.
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They're walking through a playbook.
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Right.
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And so none of that should have come
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as a surprise.
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So for me, it's really all about,
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you know,
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how come we didn't predict that sooner,
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right?
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How come we didn't seal off against that
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as a society sooner?
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And so nothing has really changed for,
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you know, Trump too,
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because I've already moved on to the next
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thing, right?
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I'm not concerning myself with what he's
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doing, with what the GOP is doing.
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You know,
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I'm looking at how do you solve this
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problem more systematically?
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Okay, so that's a great lead-in then.
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So
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I like that.
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What is the next thing then?
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Um, can you go into further detail?
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Yeah.
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You know, I think that, um,
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we're definitely seeing changes in
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politics globally.
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Um,
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we're seeing the role of the state
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shifting from being a, um,
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service-based state to being a, um,
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authoritarian based state, right.
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Where it's, um,
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moving into policing as a primary form of,
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of, uh,
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you know,
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state influence in the day-to-day life.
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We're seeing that with DOGE, you know,
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all of the erosion of public services and
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things like that.
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But this isn't just happening in the U.S.
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This is happening globally.
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We're seeing this in Germany, right,
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where I just moved back from Germany,
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where we're starting to see things like at
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the municipal level when the CDU,
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the Conservative Political Party,
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took power in Berlin,
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they started shutting down parks and they
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started, you know,
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canceling bike lane projects and things
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like that.
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And they're moving more things into
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policing.
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They're moving more funding into,
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you know, supporting arms development.
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This walking back of that sort of service.
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Down to parks, down to bike lanes.
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Down to the level of parks and bike
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lanes.
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And this has happened at the municipal
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level in the States for years,
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where you look at the average U.S.
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city's budget,
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look at what percentage of it goes to
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policing.
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I'm so glad you're bringing this up.
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As an abolitionist,
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the awkward interviews was nearly entirely
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focused on that subject.
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And you mentioned at one point,
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if something seems too good to be true,
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it probably is when it comes to data,
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when it comes to media reporting.
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And oddly enough,
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that can be the case even in the
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opposite direction.
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Samuel Sinyongwe,
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who I had on Awkward Interviews,
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is also a data scientist,
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and he focuses on predominantly police
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crimes, police murders of people.
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And he's kind of the most often cited
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source of that information.
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And that's where the statistic remains
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current at three people per day killed by
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cops in this country.
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Then a New York Times article came out
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citing this lengthy meta study where it
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was determined that potentially a hundred
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percent
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of the police killings are not reported in
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other words this the number could be six
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plus so that's always what i talk about
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is i say three to six plus because
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that's the best i can do with the
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data i'm really glad on a side note
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or you know to the next point that
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you brought up this global aspect um
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you're absolutely right if people are
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paying attention beyond the united states
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we are seeing this everywhere
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So on the flip side of that,
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we are organizing across state borders.
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We're organizing internationally.
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So how does this struggle,
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the struggle against fascism,
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the struggle against all government
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funding going to policing,
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carceral nonsense and war,
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how do our struggles connect across the
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globe?
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You know,
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I think it's really important to
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understand perspectives and to understand
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what people are going through in other
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countries.
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I think that my time living abroad has
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opened my eyes into, you know, not just,
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you know, how bad the systems can be,
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but also, you know, how,
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like how broad the spectrum is that where
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this can go, right?
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You know, I've
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um i talk sometimes about how i did
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refugee support at the beginning of the
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war in ukraine and um i went over
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to the border and i saw the these
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you know huge crowds of of refugees
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looking to come in cross into poland and
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you know i think it was something that
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helped anchor me um and give me
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perspective because no matter how bad i
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felt like things were in germany or in
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the united states or things like that it's
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still not like as bad as somebody shooting
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a missile at your house
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Of course,
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we can see what's going on in Gaza.
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We can see what's going on in Sudan.
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We can see what's going on in other
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parts of the world, right?
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And I think that that helps us have
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perspective.
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And as an American,
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I tend to see American culture as being
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exceptional to both the positive and
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negative.
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So we think that everything bad happens to
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us is the worst thing that's happening in
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the world.
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I think if we can stop,
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if we can decenter ourselves,
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if we can start listening to what other
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people are doing in other countries and
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how authoritarianism manifests for them,
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how they survive under authoritarianism,
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how they thrive under authoritarianism
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even,
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I think we can learn useful skills that
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we can take to our everyday.
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If you have somebody that's living in a
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country that has
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um tight internet controls right they they
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have different ways of getting information
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out right and we can learn from that
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because there is always another thing that
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can come up uh for us here right
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if we don't have if we don't start
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developing those skills now then we're
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going to be sorely missing them when the
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time comes that we should need them so
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for me internationalism is a process of
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decentering and listening and learning
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I love that.
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That is gold.
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And you had said earlier that for a
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lot of people, this isn't anything new.
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As someone who was living in
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Charlottesville,
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who saw this nearly ten years ago,
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nothing new.
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For black, indigenous, brown people,
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trans people, this is nothing new.
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What's making this be such a...
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big talking point now is that it's
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affecting white, cis, Christian people,
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right?
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And likewise,
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I feel like we've long been doing the
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studies of Frantz Fanon, Kwame Nkrumah,
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whatever,
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We just haven't been doing, I guess,
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a good enough job collectively,
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those of us who have been talking to
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people or reading these books,
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of getting that message out there.
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How do we learn?
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But we just have to keep doing what
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we're doing.
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And it's because of what we're doing that
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the far right doesn't like people like us.
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Even having these conversations goes
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against everything that they're preaching
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and fighting for.
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We're the people who counter protest their
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hate rallies, expose their crimes,
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fight for equality and justice.
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So to that end,
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that's why you and I have both been
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targets.
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I am thankful I've never been swatted.
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I doubt I would have handled it as
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well as you did,
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but I have been doxxed by the likes
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of Andy Ngo.
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And so I can relate to that part
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and it's not fun.
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I'm now prepared, I'll say that.
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So let's close out with that.
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I hate closing on the negative.
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So maybe you can give us a lesson
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from this,
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something positive we can take away from
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it.
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But it is obviously such a big theme
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for all of us who are doing this
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work.
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And of course,
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it's like the clickbait for listeners.
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So tell us what happened after
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Charlottesville happened.
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How did you end up being doxed and
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swatted?
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What was the physical and emotional toll?
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And again, like,
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did you learn something from this?
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Did you take something positive away?
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And if so, what was it?
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Yeah, I think, you know, of course,
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in the aftermath, as I was,
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I was pressing charges against the Nazi in
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the aftermath of Unite the Right.
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And I was doing a lot of work
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to expose a lot of the people who
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came in and did a lot of violence
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to our community.
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And of course,
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that was going to make me a target.
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And people did dox me and they swatted
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me.
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And there's only so many things that you
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can do to prevent that, right?
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I'm a homeowner, right?
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I bought a house in my wife.
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And I can't do much about those public
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records.
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And that's kind of out there, right?
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I could sell the house, I can move,
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but we don't want to do that.
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And so there's only so much that I
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could do to
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I do think that we have a small
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community here in Charlottesville.
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And part of that means that you do
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have to look at the community
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holistically, right?
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And, you know, I don't love the police,
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but I can definitely talk to the police
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and be like, hey,
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so I just want you to know that
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I'm not going to cause a mass shooting.
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I'm not going to go do a mass
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shooting.
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So if you do get one of these
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calls, it's probably a SWAT thing.
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Here's my number.
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Call me first.
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You can always do that.
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If I pick up,
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I'll pick up and tell you, you know,
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this is not the case.
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And that's actually what happened.
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I wasn't home.
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Thankfully, my wife wasn't home.
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They called me.
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They said, hey, we got this call.
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Of course, they did.
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They called me after they sent out the
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men with guns.
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But you can do things like that.
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And I do think that even as we
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work towards abolition,
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we also have to look at the community
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and the world that we live in today.
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And so I think that that was part
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of it.
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I think what I took away from
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This experience, you know,
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I did move to Germany to try to
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lower the heat a little bit and largely
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for my safety and my mental health and
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to, as I said,
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put myself in a different perspective.
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But one thing that I learned in the
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sort of, you know,
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full aftermath of Unite the Right was I
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was surprised by the people I knew that
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suddenly didn't have my back.
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People I'd known for years who didn't even
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call to say like, hey,
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how are you doing?
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Are you all right?
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Do you need anything?
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And I was surprised by the people who
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did.
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And I think that if there's a positive
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that I've taken away from that,
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it was that it made me value certain
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relationships a lot more.
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um it really sharpens like you know what
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i need to look for in the people
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that i have around me what they're trying
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to do um you know how we can
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help each other uh how we can rely
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on each other and uh you know i've
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not always been perfect they've not always
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been perfect but it it puts it in
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like it makes community more of a concrete
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thing like community is more of a verb
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at that point
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And so I think that that's what I've
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taken away from it.
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That's a lot of the reason why I
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moved back is I want to be in
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my home.
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I want to be with my people,
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my community.
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And I want to be able to do
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the things to build the world that I
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want to see.
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And a lot of that is not,
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you know,
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we're not going to react to every single
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thing that Trump does.
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You know, we can't stop that.
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What we can do is we can help
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feed the hungry people in our community.
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We can help provide shelter and warmth to
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the houseless people in our community.
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And those are the things that I think
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we're doing, right?
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And whatever he wants to do about
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bathrooms and Project Twenty Twenty-Five
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and all of that stuff,
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I can't do anything about it.
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I can get angry about it.
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I can call my senator for a lot
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of good that that does, right?
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At the end of the day,
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I'm focusing on things that I can actually
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make an impact on.
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That's going to be local.
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That's going to be here with my people,
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with my community.
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That's beautiful.
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I'm really thankful that you were able to
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return and feel part of your community
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again.
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And that is becoming a running theme
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across experts, across industries,
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so to speak, or specialties.
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Everyone is kind of saying the same thing,
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and it's exciting to me because it's what
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I've been preaching for a very long time,
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mutual aid.
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Thank you so much, Emily.
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This was amazing.
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What a great guest for Global Warning.
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I've learned a ton, as has my audience,
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I'm sure.
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Be safe.
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Keep up the incredible work.
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Thank you again.
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Thank you.
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Okay, well, if you're listening,
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Thank you again to Emily Gorsensky for an
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incredible episode,
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and we'll see you for Global Warning
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number five.
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War is immoral, poverty is immoral,
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racism is immoral,
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police brutality is immoral,
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oppression is immoral,
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genocide is immoral,
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imperialism is immoral.
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This country represents all those things.