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00:00:10.880I'm Brett Cooper and this is the Frontline Mobility Edge, where we discuss the latest in mobile device technologies and how they're shaping the frontline landscape business.
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00:00:17.440Hello, welcome to another episode of the Blue Fletch Enterprise Mobility Roundup Podcast.
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00:00:23.039I'm Brett Cooper joined today by Will Mobley from Brady IPS.
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00:00:36.640So for those that don't know, Honeywell P PSS was bought by Brady and is now a division of Brady Technologies.
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00:00:41.280Maybe is that can you give us an overview of what Brady does and what you guys do within Brady?
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00:00:42.399Absolutely.
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00:01:01.759And that's uh that includes us.
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00:01:07.359So now our division uh is called Brady Intelligent Productivity Solutions.
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00:01:15.439So it's taking our traditional uh barcode, RFID, scanning, printing, and mobile computing arm of solutions in the AIDC space.
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00:01:26.319Uh so now we've got our space along with Brady's uh traditional identification uh area, and together we form uh Brady Corp.
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00:01:30.799So it's uh it's exciting and a lot of a lot of new things happening, but all positive.
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00:01:32.400A lot of moving parts there.
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00:01:35.280And and you're you talk about your role within within Brady.
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00:01:38.480What's uh what do you focus on?
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00:01:46.719Yeah, I'm uh so I'm our on our strategic healthcare team on the IPS side.
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00:01:50.319So I focus uh with our strategic health systems in the Northeast.
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00:01:56.879So from from Maine to South Carolina, working with uh our larger health systems around uh technology for data collection.
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00:02:24.960So a lot of uh that scanning, printing, and mobile computing around, whether it's inside the clinical space or inside the four walls of a hospital, could be outside the four walls or even in the supply chain and all facets of a health system, and just helping them uh with their technology, with uh data collection, uh patient safety, uh, as well along with data accuracy that's we're helping them uh keep their operations smooth and running, but also their their clinicians uh operate on a full full pace with productivity uh at the at the primary focus.
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00:02:26.560So that's your day-to-day.
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00:02:29.919And then uh I know you have a side gig, which I'm gonna throw us out there.
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00:02:38.560So you uh on LinkedIn, if you follow follow Will, he's got some funny videos out there, but um, I believe it's beyond the labels, you're sort of like the the area we're focused on.
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00:02:43.280Um my favorite was the uh I think you got a soccer player to kick a device.
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00:02:45.439That that's true.
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00:02:48.479So it's been a been a fun uh side gig.
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00:02:49.520What's the origin of that?
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00:02:55.039I I guess what you're just like this is all this uh these rugged device videos are boring.
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00:02:56.400I'm gonna do something interesting myself.
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00:02:58.719Is that the itchy decide to scratch there?
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00:03:00.240I was bored, right?
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00:03:02.400Didn't have enough to do.
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00:03:28.400Uh no, it we wanted to do something different and give people uh a behind-the-scenes look at at our division uh of Brady, but uh also lend insights to the the experts we have on hand, but also show in a fun way uh our solutions, doing extreme product testing in maybe environments that you wouldn't normally put a device uh on the hockey rink, uh in a baseball field, a soccer field, dropping them from three stories up, you name it.
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00:03:39.120But uh the goal was to provide insights, uh demonstrate our devices' durability and and how they can uh fix or survive in any environment you put them in, but also add some humor too.
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00:03:42.479So it's been uh been a fun video series, uh for sure.
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00:03:46.879Yeah, so definitely check it out if you're if you're on LinkedIn scrolling, it it's a good follow.
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00:03:49.120I one uh one other just note on that.
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00:03:57.439I know the the sports theme piece, you are formerly you are a football kicker um for multiple years in college.
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00:04:01.120Um do you still uh are you still to kick a ball?
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00:04:02.960I think I can still kick it.
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00:04:07.840I I have not for many years, but it's been a few, but I think I can still kick it.
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00:04:10.479Yeah, it is uh it looks a lot easier on TV.
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00:04:14.159I've tried it before, and uh kicking a football through the uprights is incredibly difficult.
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00:04:15.919It is it is funny.
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00:04:23.920And now you see it with the college game day guys, the with the kids uh training to get the scholarships with Pat McAfee and and those guys on Saturdays.
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00:04:30.079It's it's fun to fun to see people have an interest in kicking, but they realize it's it's more to it than just swinging your leg.
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00:04:34.000It is uh yeah, I was it's I was definitely humbled when I gave it a try.
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00:04:58.720All right, so so today's discussion um from a topic standpoint, I'm gonna it's a it's a long topic, but really just focused on the frontline workers' experience and how that leads to the success or failure of these initiatives in large enterprises.
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00:05:02.959And we'll focus on healthcare, and we'll we'll dive into that here as one of the subtopics.
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00:05:10.720But as a background, from a standpoint of, I think there was a McKinsey report talked about um large enterprise transformation projects.
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00:05:29.040And I think about put it pegged it at around 20, 25% of those are successful, uh, 20% of them are complete failures, and there's some room in between, which is more than half of them are, you know, in this sort of a valley of despair uh where they're just not working.
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00:05:38.399And I always think about the experience I've had with a couple clients where you know you talk to the CIO or somebody at the C-suite, and they're like, we want to get a new device that's 20% faster.
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00:05:41.759You know, if all of our stuff is 20% faster, our ROI is gonna go up 20%.
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00:05:44.959So I feel like that's the the boardroom conversation.
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00:05:53.199And then there's all these people on the front line that are you know day-to-day using these things that they have no input into that decision or those types of decisions.
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00:06:06.639So um I think the the first thing I think about is like the spec sheet of it's faster or it has you know this drop spec, whatever this is, is not always the nexus for what makes a program successful.
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00:06:19.600Like outside of like the specs, what do you think about what are the areas that you talk about when you talk with clients around thinking about that experience, that that frontline user or that person who's gonna be actually using the device for eight to ten hours a day?
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00:06:28.079Yeah, I think that's a great, great question because uh speeds and feeds specs are all great on paper, but when you bring it to life, it sometimes things are different.
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00:06:34.560And so our our focus is really how do we have a discussion around the people, the process, and the technology.
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00:06:43.199And so it's focusing first on the users, especially in the healthcare space where the clinicians are are the primary focus and they're already busy.
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00:06:56.560And so we're focused on how can we improve their experience, uh, then really it's also look at the workflow.
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00:07:10.800And that's what we're talking about a lot is uh how can we impact the people in a positive manner, but also uh look at the workflow and ensure that is that the most productive or best use of the technology you're using, or the best way uh to do what you're currently doing, whatever that may be.
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00:07:13.759And then we can look at what's the best technology fit is.
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00:07:22.079But really, I don't like to talk about this scanner can scan 30 feet, and that's further or less further than than this other competitor or this other product.
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00:07:38.560Uh for us, it's focused on on all the things that take place inside a customer's environment, and then we can look at the right technology, and then we from there we can determine what specs might be fit best, but really it's ensuring that we're prioritizing the people, their process, and then we can look at the technology for us.
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00:07:46.319When you think about that that total cost of sticker price, somebody will look at it and say, hey, an iPhone costs 900 bucks.
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00:07:52.319This Brady device is twice as expensive and it's 30% slower according to the CPU spec.
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00:07:54.480How do you combat that when you're having those discussions?
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00:08:05.920Like what is the what are the things you do to get people from this is the iPhone everybody loves to this is a device that's actually gonna make that difference for your employees?
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00:08:09.920I think it it's it's a great point because we get that a lot.
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00:08:14.720And it it sort of depends on who you're talking with, what the the best approach might be.
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00:08:19.920But but oftentimes when you look at the total cost of something, we're looking at the full life cycle.
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00:08:34.399So because our devices, our our technology and our solutions are all built for the enterprise, they're they're rugged, they can survive drops, thousands of them, whether it's a guy punning it or a hockey stick, you name it, uh, but we can survive that.
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00:08:37.759But we're also we're built uh built to last, really.
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00:08:44.720And so our devices are typically lasting seven, eight, nine, ten years in some cases, depending on what you're doing with it.
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00:08:52.480Whereas an iPhone, you look at an iPhone or consumer grade device of similar types, are lasting just a couple years, two or three, especially in healthcare.
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00:08:54.879They're typically replaced every two or three years.
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00:09:02.240And so, although the initial sticker price might be higher, you're not having to buy as much as many accessories.
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00:09:09.039Device lasts longer, and it's it's built uh to survive different environments, so it's not gonna break as often.
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00:09:20.080When you look at a consumer grade device, uh in a single lifetime of one of my devices, it's you're gonna have to have two or three or sometimes four different versions of a consumer grade iPhone.
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00:09:30.480You're gonna have to purchase typically accessories that'll be adding to your expense that are outside the traditional uh need of just a device itself, and and they break more often.
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00:09:41.039If I how often are you gonna drop your iPhone or your personal phone on purpose or by accident, whatever it may be, from a six-foot stand, and uh it's gonna survive and you're not gonna be scared that it's gonna crack.
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00:09:44.720I don't have that concern with our solutions, but with a personal device, it does.
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00:09:50.320And with nurses, I think the only people that can break devices more than a group of 12-year-old boys are nurses.
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00:09:53.600They just seem to find a way to break things.
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00:10:08.159And so having devices that don't just solve what you're doing, but also can last longer than just one drop or one day on the job, that's uh that tells a big story, especially when it comes to solutions like ours, which are purpose-built for those environments.
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00:10:11.919So a follow-on question on the healthcare piece.
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00:10:14.960Um, and this goes to my, I'm gonna call my gross back.
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00:10:15.919So you mentioned 12-year-olds.
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00:10:17.840I have a 12-year-old who has an iPhone.
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00:10:19.919I look at it and it is gross.
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00:10:25.039Like he's got grubby hands, he's like playing sport ball, whatever, and it's like got mud on there and food, whatever.
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00:10:27.039He's eating while he's looking at his phone.
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00:10:34.159Um, the ability to clean devices is something that I think about this a lot, which is a really big thing in healthcare.
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00:10:43.679You took talk about what healthcare organizations have to do or required to do for cleaning devices and how that might differ than a consumer Android or iPhone device.
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00:10:51.440It's that's a great point because infections control or just uh cleanliness as a whole is critical in a healthcare space.
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00:10:58.080There's not just uh germs that we pick up on a daily basis, but other germs that are just inside the hospital in general.
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00:11:02.240And uh you drop it on the floor or whatever it may be, it can pick up a lot from it.
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00:11:08.080And so with an iPhone or something, uh typically there's there's a case, but it's maybe not that protective.
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00:11:21.840Uh and it even if iPhones as a whole, you start to get uh hydrogen peroxide or purple wipes, or some of these other detergents or chemicals that are used to clean them, that'll wear away fast, especially on a on a personal device.
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00:11:23.600That's gonna wear it down quickly.
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00:11:37.519But if I take one of our devices, which are disinfectant ready, so they can withstand uh those hydrogen peroxides or purple wipes, you can wipe them hundreds of times a day, and it's not gonna deteriorate the plastics uh as in the same way that it would an iPhone.
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00:11:48.159And so that, again, to your point, it not only keeps them clean, but it also protects the device long term so that you're using that device, not having to replace it because you're simply doing your job for it.
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00:11:51.519Uh just by cleaning it, that's part of your role as a nurse.
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00:11:57.279And so if you're not able to do that, then you're not effectively using the technology or being able to do your role properly.
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00:12:01.600Um the other follow-on question for that is ergonomics.
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00:12:09.919I last year had a customer, the healthcare customer, that um they chose specifically to go with the Honeywell device.
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00:12:16.639You know, I can't remember the exact quote, I'll paraphrase it, but he's like, he's like, yeah, the Honeywell device fit in our nurses' hands better.
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00:12:30.240Um, you know, we have 90% women on staff, and the device is just well designed to hold your hand all day, whereas the other device they looked at was larger, heavier, and he's like, they've they had zero interest in that device when we started piloting.
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00:12:34.240Can you talk about ergonomics when you think about that, the healthcare space?
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00:12:48.799I give absolutely I give credit to our design team uh as we come out with new solutions, whether it's a mobile device or a scanner, printer, whatever it is, they're they're in the fields talking directly with users and end customers to get that feedback.
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00:12:56.240And I think you you hit the point that we recognize that's that's part of our story when we talk about a device that's built for the enterprise.
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00:13:05.279It's not just the directedness, it's not just the durability, but it's also a device that's built to last and also fit and be used 24-7, really.
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00:13:17.600And so an iPhone is great, uh, it looks good, it feels good, but it's not really conducive to be being held or used all day for your shifts for a nurse who's using it for a 12-hour shift or whoever it may be.
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00:13:20.960And so we really take uh a deep expertise in that.
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00:13:39.200And so whether it's the curved edges to make it easier to put your hand around and shape to it, or uh the ledges that are designed to rest your fingers on so it's easy to type and text or call, or even just the way uh areas where the scan engines are positioned, just to make it easier so you're not having to twist your arms in different directions.
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00:13:47.200It seems such like a simple thing, but just where it's placed, now it's just a simple uh six-inch move versus now adjusting your whole entire arm and shoulder.
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00:13:59.200And some of those things they they seem so basic, but when you start to add it up over the hundreds of scans that happen a day for a nurse or or whoever it may be, that adds up quick and can drastically change the experience.
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00:14:10.000And so that comfort, that that familiarity, if I could say that word properly, uh, and part of that goes back to that experience of the clinicians or the people that we talked about earlier.
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00:14:15.440That's a major focus of us that's built into what we do and how we design our products.
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00:14:24.559When you when you're doing like pilots and rollouts, I think one of the things I always look for is the make or break factors and the adoption.
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00:14:36.639So that those users in the field, like when you walk the floor of a hospital or a clinical unit or a private practice during one of these, how do you know whether it's working?
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00:14:42.399What are the things you're looking for when you're like, you know, is it people using the devices, is people leaving the devices, wherever?
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00:14:46.480Like, well, how do you know that people like it and it's actually going to be successful?
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00:14:47.120Yeah.
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00:14:52.639I think the first thing is are they using it for the the the purpose, what it was built for?
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00:14:58.000Like, for example, a lot of people bought Pelotons during COVID, but now they're just used as close racks, right?
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00:15:02.559So they're using them, sure, but it's not for the designed purpose in a way.
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00:15:06.960And so I think that's the first thing is uh let's take uh a mobile device, for example.
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00:15:09.039Are you are you using it for what it's designed for?
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00:15:10.720It's not just something that's in your pocket.
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00:15:27.919Uh, but then also what excites me actually is now when we start to walk the floor, for example, and communicate uh and see what those nurses or those clinicians, those frontline workers, what they're doing and how they're using devices, what excites me is when they start to find ways that they can use devices for other workflows.
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00:15:34.000So yeah, I'm using it for bedside clinical nursing, but then they start to get excited and say, well, what if we used it for this?
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00:15:35.360Or what if we used it for that?
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00:15:40.799And now you're starting to see uh people that are not just using technology, but they're embracing it.
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00:15:52.240And that's that's real exciting for us on the Brady side of things to people pe to see people enjoying our devices, but also seeing them leverage it to now connect their entire health system.
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00:16:02.799Now we're not just talking about one workflow, but now we're talking about how we can connect different departments and different workflows together so that everybody's communicating, everybody's on the same page, leveraging the technology uh at hand.
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00:16:09.840And that that's a big differentiator than just somebody who simply uh is using it just to get by or just has it in their pocket because they have to.
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00:16:11.200Yeah, it's a good point.
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00:16:19.039I I always think about uh I have this persona in my head when I'm helping with deployments, and um there's there's the persona, and I've named him, his name is Carl.
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00:16:24.320And Carl Carl works in receiving, and Carl hates all new technology that corporate has ever given him.
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00:16:38.799Um how do you leverage those Carls out there, the people that are the the native sayers, when you're doing a deployment or helping a client or partner get stuff out the door, how do you actually leverage that person to make the experience better?
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00:16:45.840Yeah, I I think it's to us, obviously we can't talk to everybody, but uh beforehand, although although we want to.
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00:16:50.960But I think it's really uh in your your preparation is key for any deployment.
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00:16:56.480And I think uh for that it's talking to users at the user level, understanding their experience.
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00:17:05.839But it's not just to me, it's not just listening to answer to say, oh, how can I take what you say and then plug my solution in as the answer, but also listening to understand.
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00:17:08.480That's what it's more we primarily focus around.
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00:17:10.319Yes, we want our technology to be deployed.
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00:17:18.559Yes, we want Carl in this case to use our technology, but how can we really understand what Carl is thinking and why maybe he's hesitant to change?
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00:17:22.559And I think that's the big thing you mentioned is is change, change management.
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00:17:25.599And what does that look like for us?
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00:17:26.559How do we help with that?
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00:17:28.319But also how's an organization do that?
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00:17:35.920And one of the key components is preparation uh for it, but also uh for us is a key group that I call superusers.
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00:17:44.960And this is where I've really seen success with some of our deployments and things as we introduce new technology is having people who work the floor.
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00:17:50.160So they're they're clinicians, they're frontline workers, they're in the supply chain, wherever it may be, that we're deploying technology.
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00:18:00.640And we we work with them to get specialized training, so they're more familiar with our projects, our products, uh, they understand what's happening, uh, but also they're able to convey the why behind why we're doing it.
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00:18:04.960And it's not just here's a new device, but here's a device and here's why we're doing it, Carl.
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00:18:12.240Because here's the value it can enhance your experience, and this is what the change will look like and improved with your with the technology.
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00:18:27.920But then the superusers can also express to Carl in his language, because they're I'm not their day-to-day 24-7, but they can express uh in Carl's language uh why it matters or what the solution is that needs to be fixed, or where the value is uh from our solutions as well.
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00:18:43.200So uh being able to integrate, being able to talk to people, listen to them carefully, but then also having uh uh teammates, if you will, on hand for those deployments who are in the facility working, uh that's that's a value, especially when you're doing a rollout that requires a big change for people.
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00:18:45.440Well, I like how you called out change management there.
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00:18:58.319It made me think of the one of the other questions I had for you is around you know, when you put a new piece of technology into an environment, how do you deal with the existing processes that suck?
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00:19:10.960And uh the the kind of example of this, let's say you're a a um healthcare organization, you have to fill out five sheets of paper for this one procedure, and then they move that, they're like, well, let's put some mobile devices because that'll make it better.
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00:19:24.559And they they still have the user has to go to five different apps to go do things for a procedure, and it's like it's the same uh subpar process with new technology, and it just it it just makes users more frustrated.
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00:19:29.839But how do you navigate that or how do you guide people on thinking about that change management around the process side?
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00:19:32.319Yeah, it's a great, a great uh question.
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00:19:36.480And there's a couple, I guess as a whole, ways we can look at it.
00:19:36.640 -->
00:19:39.839One of them is actually our part of our experience team, our user experience team.
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00:20:07.279So we can cut their uh black belt, lean six sigma trained, and they can actually come and if whether it's a manual process or you mentioned a virtual process, we can come on site and do a site walkthrough and identify what are you currently doing today, what's your current process, and what would it look like if you had a different technology in place, or if we're talking a mobility device, what would it look like to have a mobile device in here and how can we maybe eliminate some of those extra steps?
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00:20:14.640Or uh you mentioned paperwork, for example, but how can we eliminate extra things that might take up more time and make you more efficient, more productive?
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00:20:28.640So that's that's one approach we would take uh just to level the ground and uh fully free, but being able to get on site and uh see what are you experiencing today and what would it look like if it could be improved through that process.
00:20:28.880 -->
00:20:34.079But then it's it's also I think you change the biggest thing, nobody wants to change unless they ask for it.
00:20:34.160 -->
00:20:37.119And so I think understanding that why is critical.
00:20:37.279 -->
00:20:39.359Uh, here's why we're doing it.
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00:20:53.440Okay, today, if we take your app example, uh today we're going through five apps, but by leveraging this change of technology using a mobile device, we're gonna be able to now work with those app companies or find a new solution that doesn't require you to go to five different apps.
00:20:53.519 -->
00:20:56.799And so this is the first step in making your life easier.
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00:21:08.160So I think explaining that, the why behind what you're doing from a big picture and then bringing it down into the the users' levels and where their role is in that why process, that transformation process is critical.
00:21:08.319 -->
00:21:21.759And so, okay, today there still might be a couple steps according to your example, but we're using this as a platform to get to the next step in our journey, which will help eliminate all five of those apps or or whatever that may be for what the example is for the customer.
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00:21:23.759Make the process better.
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00:21:24.400Yeah.
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00:21:24.799Yeah.
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00:21:35.039Um, last topic I had for you, so you you touched on this just healthcare and why it's one of the hardest industries to operate in from a technology perspective.
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00:21:53.119Like if you had to summarize, and I think you touched on this a little bit before, like when you think about how difficult healthcare is, especially in North America, it's difficult everywhere, but North America in particular, like what are the things that make it really, really hard to put new technology into healthcare that does all these improvements that you articulated earlier?
00:21:53.599 -->
00:21:54.720How long do we have?
00:21:55.039 -->
00:21:56.799Uh you got four minutes, go.
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00:21:57.920Yeah, really.
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00:22:08.799Uh Um, I think a few things are are uh a challenge, and it's partially because there's a lot of different stakeholders in healthcare.
00:22:08.880 -->
00:22:15.200Uh if I go to a supply chain or a warehouse customer, maybe it's IT, it's operations, it's purchasing.
00:22:15.279 -->
00:22:22.480Uh, but for for healthcare, you still have all three of those departments, but then you have nursing informatics, you have clinical informatics, the frontline workers.
00:22:22.640 -->
00:22:27.279And so there's more, I think, stakeholders in the game, which is which is not a bad thing.
00:22:27.440 -->
00:22:34.000I mean, you want that when you're deploying technology that will impact patient safety and patient lives when they're at stake.
00:22:34.160 -->
00:22:39.519But uh it just adds sometimes extra complexity and and layers to that decision-making process.
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00:22:42.400They're also looking at from a security standpoint, right?
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00:22:52.319The uh in healthcare, we have access to to patients' health history, their payment, their insurance information, their social security numbers, et cetera, all at someone's fingertips 24-7.
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00:23:05.599And so being ensuring that devices are secure, uh HIPAA-approved, they make they uh validated by the EMR or the EHR, and they're prepared to withhold all that information is critical.
00:23:05.759 -->
00:23:14.480And that's part of the reason why health systems uh are attacked more than any other uh vertical for data breaches or for attempts at malicious malware.
00:23:14.559 -->
00:23:21.599And it's also more than twice as expensive too to recover from that because you have such critical information at someone's fingertips.
00:23:21.680 -->
00:23:27.920Uh and so having devices that are required and able to be more secure is critical and to go through that process ahead of time.
00:23:28.160 -->
00:23:41.519And then you mentioned uh earlier to the infectious control side of things, uh devices that can withstand a clinical environment, that can withstand not just a durability of dropping device or however that may be, but then also being able to be wiped down and cleaned, et cetera.
00:23:41.680 -->
00:23:42.960So there's there's different levels.
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00:23:49.920And I think the the fourth one for me is part of that stakeholders, but but uh nurses and clinicians, they're they're also highly educated.
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00:24:02.640And so it's not just uh we can't necessarily, or a health system can't just give them a device and run and say, hey, this is what we're gonna do, as you could to maybe a teenager at a grocery store uh who's just doing that for the high school job, for example.
00:24:02.799 -->
00:24:12.000Uh, but they they require devices and technology that that makes sense, is explained to them, but also can help and uh enable and improve their process.
00:24:12.319 -->
00:24:15.119Because a lot of them, this is what works for me, this is what I'm gonna do.
00:24:15.200 -->
00:24:19.680And so if you just throw technology at them, it's gonna become that Peloton that just has clothes hanging from it.
00:24:19.759 -->
00:24:21.279It's just it's not gonna be used.
00:24:21.440 -->
00:24:26.480And so deploying properly and effectively, but also with the clinician in mind, is critical.
00:24:26.559 -->
00:24:31.920And sometimes that can be more challenging than just uh giving a device to a store and and letting them use it.
00:24:32.079 -->
00:24:33.680Uh, but it's a lot more steps to it.
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00:24:35.759Yeah, it's a lot a lot of pieces there.
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00:24:46.079The one of those fall-ins I have from that, it's I I feel like iPhones have been very prevalent in healthcare over the last 10 years.
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00:25:01.279Um, I'm not sure if it's driven by just Epic and their early support of it with a lot of EHR supporting iPhones or from doctors, like you just mentioned, are typically um highly compensated individuals, which the iPhones use more um in that demographic.
00:25:02.000 -->
00:25:06.240What is your theory around you know why iPhone is so prevalent in healthcare?
00:25:06.319 -->
00:25:15.680And then also just some of your thoughts on why health organizations rethink that about going towards the Android uh you know designed operating systems like you guys sell.
00:25:16.319 -->
00:25:20.319I think iPhone uh there's a few reasons why it's it's so uh prevalent.
00:25:20.400 -->
00:25:27.119Uh is part of it is some of the major EMARs, so Epic, for example, and others, that's what they they build off on first.
00:25:27.279 -->
00:25:36.240So they're the building, their first step uh of is each implementation or each new build they have of their software is designed on iOS and for iOS.
00:25:36.400 -->
00:25:41.599And so sometimes Android's view is viewed as the secondary option or lagging behind.
00:25:41.759 -->
00:25:42.480That's changing.
00:25:42.559 -->
00:25:45.599I'll say that's changing, but that's historically part of the reason why.
00:25:45.759 -->
00:26:05.599I think another reason is um because nurses, because they are highly educated, there's been challenges in the nursing uh field for nursing shortages and health systems don't want to put anything at risk that could uh or do anything that could put them at risk to lose their nurses or new lose their employees, they don't want to upset the Apple cart.
00:26:05.680 -->
00:26:06.559That's literally.
00:26:06.799 -->
00:26:13.920And so nurses, because they're highly educated, uh, they're important, they're valuable team members, but they also they want to use devices that they want to use.
00:26:14.079 -->
00:26:23.519And so because they use an iPhone on a daily basis, that's what they're comfortable with, that's what they prefer to use uh as their daily roles instead of having to learn something new.
00:26:23.599 -->
00:26:24.960And I don't really fault them for that.
00:26:25.119 -->
00:26:26.720I'd like to keep it simple too.
00:26:26.880 -->
00:26:36.000And so because uh health systems don't want to upset their employee or their nursing base when especially when there's a shortage out there, they just roll with what the nurses want and desire.
00:26:36.160 -->
00:26:45.920So I think those are a couple of reasons that have have have been relevant and that we've seen a lot as we talk to different health systems, is that it's driven by the EMR, but also from the nurses.
00:26:46.079 -->
00:26:54.240But we're starting to see a shift, I'd say, in in uh, especially from an IT perspective, but even from clinicians too, be more open to other options.
00:26:54.400 -->
00:26:58.640And I think it's primarily revolving around the idea of doing more with less.
00:26:59.119 -->
00:27:01.279We're all being asked to do more right now.
00:27:01.359 -->
00:27:07.440Uh you and I, whether it's a nurse in the in in a clinical environment, whatever it may be, we're all being asked to do more.
00:27:07.519 -->
00:27:09.440And health systems are feeling that effect too.
00:27:09.680 -->
00:27:18.720Do more, serve more people, offer more services, but do it with less funding, less support, less resources, uh, sometimes less people, and sometimes less technology as well.
00:27:18.880 -->
00:27:28.559So the health systems today are looking for people they can partner with, but also technology they can provide that can enable them to do more with less.
00:27:28.720 -->
00:27:44.559And I think a great example of that, if not the greatest example, is our mobile devices that allow you to take two, three, four, sometimes five devices, a scanner, a pager, uh a computer in some cases, and take that all into a single device.
00:27:44.720 -->
00:27:46.880And now I can have all of that at my fingertips.
00:27:47.039 -->
00:27:57.359And now my clinicians can be mobile, they can chart on the go, we can leverage ambient listening, we can scan, we can talk, we can uh take pictures, we can communicate all from a single device.
00:27:57.519 -->
00:27:59.359And that enables them to do more with less.
00:27:59.440 -->
00:28:05.759And by the way, that device also lasts longer and is more comfortable for them to use long term throughout their shift.
00:28:05.920 -->
00:28:21.519So I think uh we're seeing a big change, we're starting to see a change, especially as healthcare prioritizes mobility in terms of where they're giving care, but also what they're giving in terms of technology, but also seeing that shift uh in an interest in Android and purpose-built solutions like ours.
00:28:22.640 -->
00:28:23.119Good answer.
00:28:23.200 -->
00:28:23.519Thank you.
00:28:23.599 -->
00:28:25.039Um, we're we're at time.
00:28:25.119 -->
00:28:28.720I'm gonna summarize this key things we we we talked about or that I took away from this.
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00:28:37.359First one is um the cost of a device is not just the the street price, it's what it costs over four or five years.
00:28:37.440 -->
00:28:38.559I think you articulated that.
00:28:38.799 -->
00:28:40.880Things like cleaning is incredibly critical.
00:28:41.039 -->
00:28:44.880A lot of the um long-term support, drop specs is important.
00:28:45.039 -->
00:28:47.599Um you know, focus on the end users.
00:28:47.680 -->
00:28:52.960I as you look at deployments, you know, that example I gave around if fits in their hand better, it just feels better.
00:28:53.119 -->
00:28:56.480Those types of things are really important as you're testing things in the field.
00:28:56.720 -->
00:29:06.400Um the process, uh, you know, you you you talked about if you have a new device of technology going out there, make sure you're looking at your processes, updating those.
00:29:06.559 -->
00:29:08.960You have a team of people that people can leverage for this.
00:29:09.119 -->
00:29:15.839Um, and then the last one, I think just the yeah, the the shifting landscape of going from iOS to some of these newer devices.
00:29:15.920 -->
00:29:17.920So it's it's a lot to uh to think about.
00:29:18.079 -->
00:29:27.039Um just to close out with a will, if people are interested in learning more about your team, your solutions, Brady, what you guys can offer, where would they reach out to you at?
00:29:27.680 -->
00:29:29.759You can connect with me on LinkedIn if you'd like.
00:29:29.839 -->
00:29:32.640That's probably an easy, easy access point to it.
00:29:32.799 -->
00:29:39.039But uh our our whole team is is available, ready to support from a healthcare dedicated focus, even outside the healthcare space.
00:29:39.119 -->
00:29:41.759We've got uh resources available and ready.
00:29:41.920 -->
00:29:46.960But uh, you can learn more on our on our website, BradyCorp uh there, or reach out to me on LinkedIn.
00:29:47.039 -->
00:29:48.319I'd be happy to talk further.
00:29:48.559 -->
00:29:48.880Awesome.
00:29:48.960 -->
00:29:51.839And then conferences you'll be at in the next four to six months?
00:29:52.160 -->
00:29:52.400Yes.
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00:30:01.119Uh uh we'll we'll be at uh Vartech as an organization, VarTech, NRF, uh I think it's ProMat this year, or whichever one manufacturer.
00:30:01.920 -->
00:30:02.480Yes in Chicago, yeah.
00:30:02.880 -->
00:30:05.680ProMats this year, and then HIMS, of course, as well, Vive too.
00:30:05.759 -->
00:30:10.960So the the key and major industry conferences we'll we'll have teams at, and then our team myself will be present too.
00:30:11.039 -->
00:30:13.279So happy to support and talk with you further.
00:30:13.519 -->
00:30:13.759Excellent.
00:30:13.839 -->
00:30:14.880Will, thanks for being on today.
00:30:14.960 -->
00:30:16.799And if anybody has questions on this, feel free to reach out to him.
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00:30:20.000Will Mobley, M-O-B-L-E-Y on LinkedIn.
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00:30:22.000Uh appreciate it and have a good one.
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00:30:22.720Excellent.
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00:30:23.759Thanks, Brett.
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