Ep. 399 - Presence (2024)

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Welcome back to Frightmasters Podcast. I'm your host, Austin Proctor.
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And joining me today for episode 399 is my good friend,
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Michael Viers. How are we today?
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We couldn't make this 400. We couldn't have done an
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even 400. No, I'm kidding. I'm just fucking up.
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You know, I'm doing, you know, I'm going to say
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I'm doing great, even though I'm kind of doing weird,
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but we're going to.
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Make it work.
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We're going to make it work.
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That was kind of like a Beetlejuice thing. We're going
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to make it work. We're going to make it work.
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Today, on another installment of Spectember Frights, we are discussing
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our modern pick, Presence from 2024, a horror movie that
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understands nothing is scarier than a teenage boy. Let's see
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where this lands on the Nightmare Index. All righty, Michael.
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What have we been watching, Michael? like in the past
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week or so what have you been getting into i.
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Have been watching so much stuff and it's mostly so
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this has been 2026 has been the year of rewatches
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and it's because since i i work from home now
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i'm not doing phone calls all day i will just
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if i watched a movie in the past week and
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there's a there's a dvd or blu-ray commentary i just
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pop that shit on and listen to it while i
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work yeah love it so i'm gonna try to avoid
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extremely non-horror things like I don't think I need to
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talk about my love for Moonstruck on this podcast.
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I think you do. I think we need to hear
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about it.
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Okay, well, I rewatched Moonstruck for Amanda and my sideshow,
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Cage is the Rage, where Amanda and I work through
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the entire works of Nicolas Cage in chronological order. And
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the episode that we're about to record is going to
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be an episode on Moonstruck, and it's also going to
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be Vampire's Kiss, which is one I've never seen.
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Oh yeah, I've heard things, but have not seen either.
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So as we've been working through Nicolas Cage's film, do
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you mind if I just go on a small Nicolas
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Cage tangent?
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I'm never going to say no to a Nicolas Cage tangent.
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I just wanted to make sure.
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So as we've been working through his filmography, it's been
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really interesting to see kind of the progression of the
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Nicolas Cage that we know. Because there's realistically, there's two
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beasts inside Nicolas Cage. There is the beast that is
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a legitimately good actor. Both versions of Nicolas Cage are
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legitimately good actors. He just kind of approaches things a
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little bit differently. And it is kind of weird to
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think that, because we think of Nicolas Cage as being
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this wild kind of guy.
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And there was.
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A period of time where he was like the leading
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man in the 90s. And as we're working through his
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early career, he's definitely making weird choices. Like you have
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things like Peggy Sue got married or Even though it's
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a little bit more of a subtle role, his role
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in Valley Girl has some real big cage choices in it.
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But he's just kind of doing the leading man. Like, hey,
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I'm trying to prove that I'm a solid actor kind
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of guy. And that continues as well in Moonstruck, which
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he's very good in.
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Mm-hmm.
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And the only reason he's in that movie is because
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Cher pretty much went down bad for him and was like,
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if he's not in this movie, I'm not in this movie.
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Oh man, getting an endorsement from Cher, that would be
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a highlight.
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But from everything I've come to understand... Vampire's Kiss is
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like the Rosetta Stone for the Nicolas Cage performance style.
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That we all know.
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Oh, okay.
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Because then after that, he has an uncredited role in
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a movie called Never on Tuesday, which is directed by
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Adam Rifkin, and I'm definitely going to ask him about that.
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Some movie called Time to Kill, where he plays Enrico Silvestri,
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and then it's wild at heart. So then he starts
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working with David Lynch.
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Mm-hmm.
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We are getting into some really weird shit for Nicolas Cage.
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And just also some really good performances. So I'm excited
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to continue this journey. So yeah, I watched Moonstruck. All
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of that to say, I watched Moonstruck. And I watched
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it with the commentary track. I've been, I told you
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about this. I've been, Tubi is a blessing to us all.
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Because all of Are You Afraid of the Dark? Goosebumps
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and Tales from the Crypt are all on there.
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Whoa. Well, there's an asterisk to Goosebumps.
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Not all the episodes are for some reason on there,
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but there's some really delightful archivists.
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Online who make sure they show up on YouTube. So
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I've been watching all of those. I've almost been watching
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them simultaneously.
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I'll watch one episode from each and then watch a
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second episode from each and just kind of going along
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with them.
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And I have thoughts.
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Here's kind of like my too-long-didn't-read for the three big horror.
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Shows from the 90s.
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Tales from the Crypt, I would say, is overall the
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most consistent. It's also interesting because at this time, stereo
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sound was just becoming a thing. So you'll hear the
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music in your left and right speaker, but the dialogue
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is still pretty centered in the middle. But they almost
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are treating it like monotracks. Once you get to Tales
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from the Crypt, they had that HBO money, so it
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punches you in the face with sonic quality. I'm like,
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oh shit, they had a good sound mixer on this.
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So Tales from the Crypt is the overall most consistent
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because it also has people like Walter Hill and Robert
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Zemeckis directing for it.
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Yeah, that's very true.
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Are You Afraid of the.
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Dark is the scrappiest. It is the grittiest of the three. Like,
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while Tales from the Crypt can go there because they're
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on HBO and it's for adults, are you afraid of
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the dark is getting away with some shit? Because they
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are shooting just on video, it looks like, in Canada,
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and no one was really watching what anyone was.
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Doing in Nickelodeon at the time.
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So, episode two was about a killer clown type story.
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They're like, oh, there was this clown who was actually
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a convict. Who went and hid inside this funhouse. And
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the cops could never find him. And they never found
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him again. And if you make it to the end
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of this haunted house. You find the clown.
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But they're also kind of hinting at the carnival barker
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who is telling everyone.
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About this might be the clown, and it almost becomes
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like a killer clown slasher film at one point.
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It's like, this is for children.
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At the end of the day, this is for young
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adults and children.
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It's almost like if Tobey Hooper had made Funhaus for children.
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Oh, my God. Yeah, that's definitely not for children. There's
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a lot of adult material in the front.
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Yeah, cut all that adult material out. If you ever
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watch it, you'll see what I'm talking about.
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And then Goosebumps.
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Goosebumps is kind of like in between. Where it definitely
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skews more kid-friendly, which is fine. That's kind of like R.L.
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Stine. But it's still kind of creepy.
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And surprisingly decent effects for the fact that they probably
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made this thing for 50 bucks in a swim gym.
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I love the addition of the Slim Jim.
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The episode The Girl Who Cried Monster is weirdly Lovecraftian,
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and there are some decent practical effects in it. Like, oh,
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this is a lot of fun. So I've been watching that.
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I've also been watching a lot of Looney Tunes because
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I just got some Looney Tunes in the review, and
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I just saw Coyote vs.
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Acme.
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And then I don't know how much time you want
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me to spend on it, but I did just watch
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the 50th anniversary edition of the giant spider invasion.
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Oh, man.
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Let me tell you.
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You know what? I'm going to direct people to your
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letterbox so you can get more people on, more eyes
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on it, more likes, more comments. Go read his review
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because that encompasses everything, and it's very succinct. Michael's a
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very succinct writer, and I'm going to direct him to your...
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If I can, which I think I can, I will
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put the link to that in this description. I should
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be able to do that.
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You should be able to.
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Fucking click on that.
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The last thing I will say, please go read the
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review because I was also trying to be, I don't
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like being mean.
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No, no.
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I feel like I, I did a good job with
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that review, but one thing I will say is I
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had a serious case of FOMO when they were selling
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the DVD before I even saw the movie. So I
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went home with a copy of that, of this version and,
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On DVD, because they're like, we don't know if we're
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going to be pressing anymore. I'm like, oh, God, I
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need to own this. And let me tell you, I'm
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glad I purchased it when I did. Because a friend
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of mine went back out there earlier, or after me.
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I paid $ 20 for it. He paid $ 30.
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Fucking inflation is so real.
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Wow.
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And then I found out I could get the Dark
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Force Entertainment 4K version of the theatrical cut, the one
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that I want, for the same price, for $ 20.
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What a world we live in today.
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Yeah.
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So that's the short and sweet version of everything I watch.
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Ooh, can I actually give you a movie recommendation?
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Oh, I'm always up for it. I'll put it on
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my watch list. What do you got?
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This doesn't fall within what I've watched in the last week,
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but it was back in August. I watched a movie
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that's on, I believe it's on HBO Max, called The Parenting.
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Have you watched this?
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I loved The Parenting, yes.
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I had such a fucking fun time with The Parenting.
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Yes.
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And what it does so well is it is incredibly funny. However,
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it doesn't make fun of the scares. The scares are
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still effective. Parker Posey is just Parker Posey-ing the fuck
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out of this movie in the best way possible. And
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I feel like this is the most fun Brian Cox
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has ever had because he seems like a real crotch.
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Yeah, he was fantastic in this. Lisa Kudrow is in this.
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Parker Posey is in this. It is so much goddamn
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fun because you're right. They have a lot of fun
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with the humor, but then the scares, you're like, ah, like,
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oh shit. So yeah.
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Yeah.
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And then that was a good one.
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Dean Norris, isn't it? It's like, oh shit, you're from
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Breaking Bad. Look at you having fun.
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Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know the face.
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I didn't know the name. Fun fact, I just restarted
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watching Breaking Bad, so that'll be a lot of fun.
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The parenting was a lot of fucking fun. I agree.
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I gave it a heart on Letterboxd, which as of
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right now is the only way, unless you read my review,
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to really get an idea if I liked something. But
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you can't just go off of that, because I like
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movies that don't.
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Get a heart.
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That's true.
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You have to read the reviews.
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Got to read the reviews. I've watched too much shit
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to name, so I'm going to rattle off most of these,
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but I do want to briefly talk about three because
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they were from AV Entertainment. Cat Cam, which is a
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lot of fun. I mean, the name pretty much describes it,
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the whole movie. It's told through the lens of cat cameras.
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This couple goes on vacation. And they have one of
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their brothers, Jay, watch the cat and kind of keep
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an eye on him. And it's like a spooky... It's
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like Good Boy with a cat, kind of. It was good.
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At the end of the day, it was a good
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kind of lo-fi horror movie. Gave it a three. Really
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enjoyed it. And then I watched Cannibal Mukbang, which... I
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saw that.
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Dude. I.
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Oh my God. So I thought it was going to
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gross me out. And if you watch my TikTok and
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my content- The.
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Title is gross.
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The title's gross. The poster is kind of gross, but
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also really good. And it didn't gross me out at all.
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And April Consolo, just, I was mesmerized by this woman.
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She is incredibly attractive. She is incredibly talented. She just
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has- Like what Maxine Mink says, the X factor. She
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has it, and she's going to do, I feel, I hope,
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she's going to do great things after this movie. Gave
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that one a four. Solid movie. And then the last
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one for AV Entertainment was called Psychonaut. And that one starred, well,
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I say starred. She is in a lot of it,
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but Fiona Dorff was in that one, and that's what
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kind of drew me in. But then the other two
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main actresses, Julie Bateman and Yasmeen Blake, were fantastic actors.
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I don't really want to say too much about it,
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but it's kind of another lo-fi, sci-fi, futuristic, heady, kind
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of like almost Lynchian, I would say.
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What was this one called again?
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Psycho Not. N-A-U-T. Highly recommend. You can get the DVD.
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You can get the Blu-ray. I don't think it's streaming anywhere,
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but it was really good. Three and a half for that.
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And then I'm going to rattle off all of the
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ghost movies I've been watching. I went on a weird
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space to then ghost thing. I don't know what I did.
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So I decided one day I wasn't stressed out enough
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and watched Gravity, which for 90 minutes my butthole is
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just puckered. Watched Interstellar for the first time.
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Sorry, that was a creeping joke where it just went
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over me very slowly.
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Watch Interstellar for the first time. Five stars. Fuck you,
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Christopher Nolan. That's all I have to say. My review
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is I would be absolutely insufferable if I could make
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Nolan-level films. Then I re-watched Event Horizon, four stars. Apollo 18,
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three and a half stars. Then I got into my ghost,
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because I had a couple days to myself, so I
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watched Talk to Me, four and a half stars. Host,
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four stars. Unfriended... Three and a half, Unfriended, Dark Web 4, Mama.
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Wait, how many Unfriended movies are there?
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There's two.
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Oh, okay.
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Dark Web is like, it's one of- For some reason.
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I thought you just said Unfriended 4. For some reason,
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I think I just zoned out for a second.
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Four stars, sorry.
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Oh, that makes far more sense. I was like, holy fuck.
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No, no, no. First, Unfriended, three and a half, Unfriended,
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Dark Web 4, Mama 4. And then I watched three
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new movies for this year. Penny Lane is dead on shutter. Um,
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I'm tired. I'm tired of the, of victimizing women. Uh,
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I feel like we just need to, I'm so tired
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of it. So I've made a goal for me to
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write a script that involves women in power. Cause like it's,
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I hate victimizing. I gave it three stars because they
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did get good revenge and whatever. Um, then I watched
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it ends, which has a great rating, right? It has
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a 3.4 or something on, on letterboxd. It was not
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the vibe. Nothing was explained. It was too ambiguous, two stars.
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And then against my better judgment, because I am boycotting A24,
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but Spencer brought up a good point, because Onslaught was
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definitely made and done before the Google AI deal, and
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I want to support my boy, Adam Wingard. If it
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was any other director, I wouldn't have gone to the theater,
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but I really want to support Adam Wingard.
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So.
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It's like I was upset with myself, but I'm like,
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I'm here for Wingard, not A24. Onslaught was fucking incredible.
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I like seeing Wingard return to horror because it's been
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10 years since he did Blair Witch. That was his
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last horror movie because he's been doing the monster verse. And,
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you know, good for him. But Onslaught was so fucking good.
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And that brings us to the movie today of Presence.
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So that was... A lot of movies. So go check
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my letterbox. I watched like five movies in a day.
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I had nothing to do. I had a day to myself,
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and I was like, it is movie marathon day.
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All right.
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Well, that was a fuck ton of movies. I love it.
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Let's go into the whatever it's called, the body count.
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There we go. I know my own goddamn format. All right,
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let me blow through this quickly so we can get
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to the movie at hand. This is Presence from technically 2024,
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but not released until January 24th of 2025. Rated R
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for violence, drug material, language, sexuality, and teen drinking. Mild
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sex and nudity. Mild violence and gore. Severe profanity. Moderate alcohol, drugs,
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and smoking. And moderate, frightening, and intense scenes. Coming in
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at a very brisk hour and 24 minutes. Thank you,
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Steven Soderbergh. There we go. listed as a drama horror
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thriller directed by the man I just said, or tried
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to say, Steven Soderbergh. He has a very interesting career,
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and he's done a lot of stuff, but the ones
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I picked are Erin Brockovich, Oceans 11 through 13, and Contagion,
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written by David Koepp, has written Death Becomes Her, Jurassic
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Park 1 and 2, and Spider-Man, composed by Zach Ryan,
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who also composed things I think you've seen. I think
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they were on your Christmas episode. A Christmas Prince... The
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Royal Wedding, and A Christmas Prince, The Royal Baby. Netflix
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Christmas thing? Yes, yes.
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A Christmas Prince is a shockingly solid film for what
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it is, and I need to specify for what it is.
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I actually like the third one better than the second one.
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Okay.
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All right. Cinematography, interestingly enough, by Steven Soderbergh as well.
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He did the cinematography for Oceans 11 through 13, Contagion,
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and Magic Mike's Last Dance.
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Hey-o.
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Edited by Steven Soderbergh as well. He edited Magic Mike
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1 through 3, Unsane and Black Bag, which is one
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of his most recent movies. Starring Lucy Liu, so fucking
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random as Rebecca. You probably know her from Kill Bill
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1 and 2 as O-Ren Ishii. I mean, she's been
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in like 120-something things, but I picked that one because
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Kill Bill feels like the most known. And then you
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have Chris Sullivan as Chris, who is also in Guardians
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of the Galaxy Vol. 2 as Taserface. Taserface. I fucking
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love that. Kalina Liang as Chloe. She's actually going to
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be in the upcoming Street Fighter movie. as Chun-Li Eddie
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Mayday as Tyler he only has one other credit for
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a short film called Cloudbound Eagle and then West Mulholland
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as Ryan he was in Dark Harvest as Mitch Crenshaw
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estimated budget of 2 million only grossing 11.1 but that's
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still pretty solid This movie was filmed in Cranford, New Jersey.
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You can watch this on Hulu and Plex. Movies that
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came out around the same time, we have Mickey 17,
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Captain America Brave New World, Companion, The Gorge, Together, Wolfman,
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If I Had Legs I'd Kick You, Heart Eyes, Dogman,
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and Lurker. IMDb summary, a family becomes convinced they are
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not alone after moving into their new home in the suburbs.
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Time for your favorite noise, because it's the autopsy. Gross.
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All right, Michael, this was your first time seeing Presence.
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What do we have for your overall thoughts on this movie?
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Liked it, didn't love it. Simple and sweet.
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Okay. And you, I know you said, because just like
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you're going through Nicolas Cage's filmography, you're also going, you
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started doing that with Steven Soderbergh as well, correct?
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Yep, started last year. I'm not like trying to rush
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through them.
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I just realized that there's a lot of film that
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Steven Soderbergh had made, and I realized that at the time,
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I had only seen like four of them, and he has.
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Had a crazy career. Mm-hmm.
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And originally, it's kind of crazy to think that he
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was supposed to.
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Steven.
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Soderbergh has had a really interesting career because the man
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has been making films steadily since his first feature in 1989.
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Mm-hmm.
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And what I was looking up is I remember when
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he really came on my radar was around the time
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that he had a really crazy run of films. He
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did Contagion, Haywire, Magic Mike, Side Effects, and Behind the
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Candle Opera. And the reason I mention this is because
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if you use that period and look back, he had
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already made a fuck ton of movies.
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And he originally talked about retiring.
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Side Effects was going to be his last film.
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And then he was like, I'm done. I'm done.
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But even after he quote unquote retired, he couldn't quite retire.
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He was shooting second union for the Hunger Games films
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because I think that man loves shooting movies more.
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Than I love anything.
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And he has just continued to keep making like two
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to sometimes three movies a year. And it's a crazy run.
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So I decided earlier or sometime last year that He
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has made so many films. I haven't even counted because
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he keeps making them. I hadn't seen any of these films,
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so I wanted to go back. I started with Sex, Lies,
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and Videotape. Then I watched Kafka, King of the Hill, Underneath, Schizopolis,
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Grey's Anatomy, Out of Sight. Next up, I have The Limey. Occasionally,
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I will watch newer stuff. I did watch Black Bag
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around when it came out. I'm not counting that because
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right now I'm ranking them as I go. I will
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rank those once I get back to them if that
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makes sense no i got same thing with presence so
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yeah he's had a really insane career and i also
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appreciate his admiration for not letting something like gear get
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in your way oh i don't have a budget i
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don't have all this stuff cool what do i have
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what can i make this with oh i can shoot
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this on an iphone cool let's do this oh i
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got a dslr let's do this And he'll still make
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big budget films that are really sleek and glossy like
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Black Bag. But then he'll get a couple people together
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for a week in a house and just like, let's
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do this. He is experimenting with AI in a way
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that I don't really appreciate. And I do find it
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very ironic that the last film that he made, The Christophers,
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which I still need to watch, is a movie about
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art forgery. And I'm just going to let that hang
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on there a little bit that he made a film about,
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you know, the the the kind of.
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Sordid world of art forgery. And he is using generative A.I. unironically.
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Oh, goodness. Yeah, that's. Yeah, there's.
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But at this point, I've already committed to doing this
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fucking challenge. So I got at least, you know, watch
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his non A.I.
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Films.
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Non A.I.
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Like what? Forty of them.
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Yeah, so he has 42 feature-length films that he's directed.
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Was I right? Holy shit, I just pulled that out
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of my ass. You were right.
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42 feature-length, taking out, you know, shorts, documentaries, stuff like that, miniseries.
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Oh, and I'm watching his shorts, too, as I can
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find them. I have a funny story about that, but
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I don't think we have time.
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Okay. So, yeah, 42, and what I find interesting is
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the fact that he's only done three horror movies. One
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I haven't even heard of. It's called, the first one
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being called Psychos from 2014. I haven't heard of that one.
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Unsane from 2018.
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I don't even see that on his filmography. Interesting.
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Yeah, so Psychos from 2014, Unsane from 2018, shot on
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a fucking iPhone, and it's shockingly impressive.
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I think I have your copy of that.
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Yeah, I got an extra copy somehow, and I remember
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sending that one to you. And then Presence, so I
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find it very interesting that he's only done three horror movies,
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but he's done a lot of... He's very much like
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Gore Verbinski, he tackles a lot of genres, and I
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feel like he does a lot of them well. I
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think Unsane was a very good psychological horror movie that
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was done on a shoestring, like you said, $ 50 on
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a Slim Jim. And even this one, only a $ 2
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million budget. He shot it on a Sony F9 III
484
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or something like that with the Sony G lenses. I
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00:25:45.980 --> 00:25:47.400
think he also used a DJI.
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Osmo?
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Yeah.
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That makes sense.
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00:25:52.339 --> 00:25:53.519
Real quick, can I point something out?
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Yeah, yeah.
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So I decided to look up Psychos, and it is
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a experimental edit that splices together the 1960 Psycho and
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the 1998 Psycho. So it's just a re-edit of those
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two films together as one.
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Okay, so then technically he's only directed two then. Yes.
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My point, it just got even better. He's done two
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horror movies out of 42 films, which is interesting. So
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I like that he's constantly experimenting. And this film very
499
00:26:21.500 --> 00:26:25.839
much feels very experimental. So let's kind of dive in
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here because from the moment this movie opens, I was
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00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:36.450
just in love with it because right off the bat,
502
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he establishes that he has zero interest in playing things
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by the rules. It's a long, steady cam shot in
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a completely empty house, I would say right around sunset,
505
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and it's just floating through. And it's got this hauntingly
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beautiful music behind it. There's no scares. We're not being
507
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introduced to monsters or a family. We are just being
508
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introduced to a perspective. What that perspective is, not a clue.
509
00:27:01.220 --> 00:27:03.339
You know, you really don't know. I mean, obviously, the
510
00:27:03.380 --> 00:27:06.180
movie is called Presence. It was marketed as a horror
511
00:27:06.220 --> 00:27:09.799
movie from the ghost's perspective. But, you know, you still
512
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are unsure, at least when I watched it. I wasn't
513
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sure what I was getting into. And I think it
514
00:27:14.539 --> 00:27:18.240
was a very smart move because he establishes how this
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thing moves through the house. And this must have been
516
00:27:20.539 --> 00:27:23.559
a logistical nightmare to have to move through an entire
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house and reflections and shadows and all of that stuff.
518
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So doing that in and of itself is very impressive.
519
00:27:30.539 --> 00:27:33.369
I also appreciate too that he didn't feel the need
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to over-light anything. So it's an empty house. And that
521
00:27:38.509 --> 00:27:40.630
opening shot is incredibly dark.
522
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It's very underexposed.
523
00:27:42.930 --> 00:27:43.950
To the point.
524
00:27:44.970 --> 00:27:48.359
Well, is it underexposed or is it exposed for what
525
00:27:48.390 --> 00:27:50.890
it's supposed to be? Which would, if he's shooting off
526
00:27:50.930 --> 00:27:54.400
intentionally of natural light, he could be exposing for outside.
527
00:27:54.500 --> 00:27:55.019
That's true.
528
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:56.940
That's just a semantics thing.
529
00:27:58.140 --> 00:28:00.920
But it is so dark to the point that since
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I watched this on Plex and I, when it first started,
531
00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:08.619
because sometimes on some of these streaming services, they don't
532
00:28:08.660 --> 00:28:11.960
always have the very best version of something. And there
533
00:28:11.980 --> 00:28:14.039
was a moment where I'm like, is this just a
534
00:28:14.079 --> 00:28:15.819
version of this film where they completely just crushed the
535
00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:18.960
black levels? It wasn't until the movie began that I saw,
536
00:28:18.980 --> 00:28:20.980
I was like, oh no, that was just intentional. That
537
00:28:21.069 --> 00:28:24.309
he just, the feeling of kind of floating through a
538
00:28:24.390 --> 00:28:27.950
dark house, he only showed us what he wants us
539
00:28:27.970 --> 00:28:31.990
to see. And I think that's, I like bold choices
540
00:28:32.049 --> 00:28:34.630
like that because right now we live in a world
541
00:28:34.670 --> 00:28:36.750
with filmmaking where everything is kind of the same shade
542
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of gray because.
543
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I don't know.
544
00:28:40.170 --> 00:28:42.670
We can, cameras can see into the darkness, but doesn't
545
00:28:42.710 --> 00:28:44.910
mean we always need to be able to see every detail.
546
00:28:45.250 --> 00:28:48.509
Right. And I, I love how he is establishing a
547
00:28:48.890 --> 00:28:53.910
personality of this ghost through basically cinematography, which is very interesting.
548
00:28:54.650 --> 00:28:58.410
He's going down narrow staircases. He's going around narrow, narrow corridors. And,
549
00:28:58.450 --> 00:29:00.599
you know, he was this cinematographer on this. So he
550
00:29:00.660 --> 00:29:03.460
is behind the camera doing all of this. And the,
551
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the first, I'd say the first shot is a couple
552
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of minutes. And then when the family actually arrives, uh, Uh, we,
553
00:29:09.490 --> 00:29:11.650
you know, we realize, okay, the, this is cause I
554
00:29:11.670 --> 00:29:13.190
was like, fuck, is this how dark the movie is
555
00:29:13.230 --> 00:29:15.160
going to be? I can't, I don't remember. I was like,
556
00:29:15.180 --> 00:29:17.380
I don't remember being this dark. And then the family arrives.
557
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:19.920
I think it's raining or no, it was, sorry. It
558
00:29:19.940 --> 00:29:22.230
was the realtor. She arrives first and kind of introduces
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00:29:22.250 --> 00:29:26.089
the family to the home. And we get another kind of,
560
00:29:26.109 --> 00:29:28.990
it's about a five minute one shot, which I, I
561
00:29:29.190 --> 00:29:31.789
love one shots and I love one shots on steady,
562
00:29:32.130 --> 00:29:34.930
steady cams. It's just one of my favorite things. And
563
00:29:34.970 --> 00:29:38.730
he organizes this, this first interaction with the family, almost
564
00:29:38.769 --> 00:29:41.900
like a play in my opinion. because everyone is in
565
00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:44.740
one shot. And then we follow Chloe to the mirror,
566
00:29:44.819 --> 00:29:46.799
which is a very important part of this movie that
567
00:29:46.819 --> 00:29:49.920
we'll get to later. And then the realtor comes into frame,
568
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:52.130
talks about it, blah, blah, blah. And then they shift
569
00:29:52.170 --> 00:29:56.210
focus to Rebecca and Chris in the kitchen talking about
570
00:29:56.470 --> 00:29:59.990
basically having two different conversations. Like he's talking about one thing.
571
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She's talking about another. And I'm like, okay, we're already
572
00:30:02.970 --> 00:30:06.500
setting up that they have communication issues. And then it
573
00:30:06.539 --> 00:30:09.829
focuses to Tyler and then the entire, entire group of
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00:30:09.869 --> 00:30:13.369
people again. And then we go follow Chloe. I thought
575
00:30:13.390 --> 00:30:16.789
that was such a masterfully done shot. I really was,
576
00:30:16.890 --> 00:30:18.569
it just, I don't know. It just gives you this
577
00:30:18.609 --> 00:30:21.369
kind of intimate feeling like you're, and you're supposed to
578
00:30:21.410 --> 00:30:23.769
be viewing this as the ghost. So you have just
579
00:30:23.789 --> 00:30:27.339
this perspective of like, I am part of this, even
580
00:30:27.380 --> 00:30:29.539
though nobody knows I'm here. Does that make sense?
581
00:30:29.859 --> 00:30:33.420
No, that makes complete sense. And for as much as
582
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:37.250
Steven Soderbergh is a, I'm trying to think of the
583
00:30:37.269 --> 00:30:39.650
best way to put this. He's a person who experiments
584
00:30:39.690 --> 00:30:44.099
quite a bit. He definitely has an experimental bent to
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his work. He is a structuralist in a lot of ways.
586
00:30:46.599 --> 00:30:48.640
And I think some of that also comes down to
587
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the fact that this was co-written by David Koepp, where
588
00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:56.039
he's playing around a lot with form, but then he's
589
00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:58.460
also just making sure that things are bookended, that things
590
00:30:58.829 --> 00:31:02.509
are introduced that may not make sense right away. And
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like you said, he's giving each character and each moment...
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00:31:06.210 --> 00:31:09.779
a chance to breathe. So that way he's, he's essentially
593
00:31:09.819 --> 00:31:14.440
given us not story exposition, but character exposition in a
594
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:17.599
way that he, so cause he wants to know who
595
00:31:17.660 --> 00:31:21.619
these people are and because that's all we're going to have.
596
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:22.579
Right.
597
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:27.089
There's less plot and more so just story, like what's
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happening in the moment.
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00:31:29.349 --> 00:31:32.059
And you, you said it very beautifully that, it.
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00:31:31.859 --> 00:31:34.779
Is almost like a bunch of mini plays and i
601
00:31:34.859 --> 00:31:36.480
think that's very smart and i think it's also very
602
00:31:36.539 --> 00:31:39.240
smart the way that he establishes the space because at
603
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any point at a certain point i know exactly where
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00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:44.859
we are in relation to this house and as things
605
00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:49.539
unfold that becomes kind of important and you know so
606
00:31:49.579 --> 00:31:53.599
when characters are having conversations seemingly alone there is almost
607
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:56.809
this feeling of a character can come around the corner
608
00:31:56.829 --> 00:31:59.829
at any time and interrupt this conversation. Is someone hearing
609
00:31:59.869 --> 00:32:02.589
something they're not supposed to be besides the ghost?
610
00:32:03.089 --> 00:32:06.849
And yeah, I think it's, it's, it's very clever.
611
00:32:06.869 --> 00:32:09.150
And that's what I, that's the type of movie I
612
00:32:09.210 --> 00:32:13.099
really enjoy is the perspective of kind of, and you know,
613
00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:15.779
in this case, obviously it's, no one knows about the
614
00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:18.660
ghost at first, but I love movies where I feel
615
00:32:18.700 --> 00:32:22.279
like I am experiencing the events with these characters because
616
00:32:22.380 --> 00:32:25.519
even the ghost is, is confused. It doesn't really know
617
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:28.440
what it's doing here, why it's here, who these people
618
00:32:28.500 --> 00:32:32.980
necessarily are. And we find out along with the characters,
619
00:32:33.019 --> 00:32:36.700
like we don't have that superior position as the audience. Like, Oh,
620
00:32:36.789 --> 00:32:39.170
I know what's happening here. Other than the fact that
621
00:32:39.309 --> 00:32:42.230
we know that this is through the lens of some ghost.
622
00:32:42.609 --> 00:32:46.430
We don't know if it's malicious until the first real
623
00:32:46.509 --> 00:32:49.170
kind of glimpse into that is when you see the
624
00:32:49.210 --> 00:32:52.029
ghost kind of organizing Chloe's things and putting them away.
625
00:32:52.049 --> 00:32:55.680
I was like, okay, so, This ghost seems helpful for
626
00:32:55.740 --> 00:32:56.279
some reason.
627
00:32:56.599 --> 00:33:00.079
Well, everything is in the moment. Yeah.
628
00:33:00.339 --> 00:33:03.539
You don't get a chance to intercut between what's happening
629
00:33:03.579 --> 00:33:07.940
between two different characters in one moment because there's that trap.
630
00:33:08.089 --> 00:33:10.900
You know, the specter has to... Anytime that there's a cut,
631
00:33:11.049 --> 00:33:13.109
it's to a different point in time.
632
00:33:13.589 --> 00:33:13.829
Yes.
633
00:33:14.369 --> 00:33:17.630
So it's... You're always going to kind of pick up
634
00:33:17.690 --> 00:33:20.589
things in progress, in media res, you know.
635
00:33:20.750 --> 00:33:21.950
Which is, yeah, I love that.
636
00:33:22.460 --> 00:33:24.259
Yeah, it's like I said, it's a very clever way
637
00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:24.539
to do it.
638
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:26.839
And as we were watching, Amanda kept saying that it
639
00:33:26.940 --> 00:33:31.089
reminds her of a found footage film in that regard, because,
640
00:33:31.569 --> 00:33:34.049
you know, found footage films, you're always just in the
641
00:33:34.269 --> 00:33:35.549
moment of what's going on.
642
00:33:35.849 --> 00:33:38.630
And you're also in that POV kind of style. And
643
00:33:38.670 --> 00:33:40.829
that's what I think I love so much about this
644
00:33:40.890 --> 00:33:43.230
film is they're the only hard cut is to black.
645
00:33:43.289 --> 00:33:46.599
And then, you know, the next scene happens. So I
646
00:33:46.940 --> 00:33:50.660
really enjoy that. I applaud the integrity of using one,
647
00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:53.519
I assume one camera, probably some different lenses. I know
648
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:56.000
there's only one camera listed on IMDb, but that could
649
00:33:56.019 --> 00:33:59.269
be inaccurate because the Osmo is also something that you
650
00:33:59.289 --> 00:34:01.549
could definitely be using in a small space like that.
651
00:34:01.900 --> 00:34:04.869
But something that I think we're going to do kind
652
00:34:04.890 --> 00:34:06.869
of a little differently with this, almost because I feel
653
00:34:06.910 --> 00:34:12.380
the movie demands a conversation on the characters here. and
654
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:14.550
kind of a breakdown on the family. Usually I don't
655
00:34:14.820 --> 00:34:17.449
talk about each individual character, but I feel like it's
656
00:34:17.489 --> 00:34:23.130
kind of necessary because what's going on in the family
657
00:34:23.829 --> 00:34:26.389
to me is interesting because there's a symmetry, right? You
658
00:34:26.409 --> 00:34:28.989
have two camps. You've got Chris and Chloe on one
659
00:34:29.030 --> 00:34:31.510
side and Rebecca and Tyler on the other side, and
660
00:34:31.530 --> 00:34:36.230
they have radically different ideas about empathy, about responsibility, what
661
00:34:36.250 --> 00:34:39.130
it means to love somebody, and then this supernatural presence,
662
00:34:39.210 --> 00:34:42.050
which is us, quote-unquote, is caught in the middle of
663
00:34:42.090 --> 00:34:45.610
this trying to figure everything out while also figuring itself
664
00:34:45.750 --> 00:34:48.809
out and i i love that and there's even this
665
00:34:48.989 --> 00:34:52.869
really great shot too where chloe and chris are sitting
666
00:34:52.889 --> 00:34:56.369
on the couch tyler and rebecca are standing and you
667
00:34:56.389 --> 00:34:58.610
can just see the division between them and then it
668
00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:00.900
will focus on one of them as they talk and
669
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:02.860
then pan over and focus on the other one and
670
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:05.610
there's and one side is brightly lit, the other side
671
00:35:05.650 --> 00:35:07.409
is a little bit darker, and it was just such
672
00:35:07.449 --> 00:35:10.880
a beautifully framed shot that I was like, you can
673
00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:15.940
just see the divide, just this invisible wall between this
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family of four.
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00:35:17.179 --> 00:35:19.619
And it's something, and real quick, I want to just,
676
00:35:19.699 --> 00:35:23.059
because I don't like putting false information out there, I double-checked,
677
00:35:23.179 --> 00:35:25.900
I found in an article for the Los Angeles Times,
678
00:35:26.340 --> 00:35:28.409
the entire film was shot on a Sony A7, and
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00:35:28.429 --> 00:35:30.809
they used a DJI Ronin stabilizer, so.
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00:35:31.610 --> 00:35:33.889
Okay, Sony A7, there you go. I knew it was
681
00:35:33.969 --> 00:35:34.369
a Sony.
682
00:35:35.269 --> 00:35:41.179
Anyways, no, but once again, with as much as Soderbergh experiments,
683
00:35:41.820 --> 00:35:45.900
he's a structuralist in a lot of the way that
684
00:35:45.940 --> 00:35:48.820
he handles blocking. So blocking, I think, is kind of
685
00:35:48.860 --> 00:35:52.539
a lost art. We're at this point now where anyone
686
00:35:52.579 --> 00:35:54.659
can go out and make something. We have these very
687
00:35:54.699 --> 00:35:58.219
powerful tools in our pockets, and that's not complaint uh
688
00:35:58.380 --> 00:36:01.239
i think that's that's that's a wonderful advantage that we
689
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:04.800
have but there is a lot of the art of
690
00:36:05.460 --> 00:36:11.119
filmmaking being lost because there's not a system in play
691
00:36:11.139 --> 00:36:12.889
because once upon a time if you wanted to become
692
00:36:12.929 --> 00:36:15.630
a director you worked your way up and you worked
693
00:36:15.670 --> 00:36:19.230
on the camera team and since so much of filmmaking
694
00:36:19.289 --> 00:36:21.469
did come from theater blocking is an important part of
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it i You know, there is a concept. I talk
696
00:36:25.219 --> 00:36:28.750
about this in an episode I just did on Ikiru
697
00:36:29.090 --> 00:36:33.010
with Brian Tariko, where if you watch that movie directed
698
00:36:33.030 --> 00:36:36.170
by Akira Kurosawa, you could watch that movie silent with
699
00:36:36.210 --> 00:36:39.329
no subtitles and have a pretty good idea of what's
700
00:36:39.369 --> 00:36:42.800
going on, what people's relationships are to each other, and
701
00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:45.000
kind of get an idea of character based on the
702
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:48.460
way that the characters are acting. And Soderbergh does a
703
00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:51.119
lot of that. Like, you look at any scene with
704
00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:54.940
Lucy Liu and Chris Sullivan... and Lucy Liu's kind of
705
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:58.760
embodying this confidence. Chris Sullivan's a little more slunk over,
706
00:36:58.980 --> 00:37:01.099
and he's kind of finding his voice as the film
707
00:37:01.139 --> 00:37:03.940
goes on and finds his confidence. But then, as you
708
00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:07.050
mentioned before, the relationship between the brother and sister, and
709
00:37:07.219 --> 00:37:11.010
even just the way that... Now, Soderbergh is at a
710
00:37:11.010 --> 00:37:14.469
little bit of a disadvantage in this film, because he
711
00:37:14.510 --> 00:37:18.590
doesn't have the same tools at play in terms of,
712
00:37:19.300 --> 00:37:21.099
Because as you know, as someone who's been doing a
713
00:37:21.099 --> 00:37:23.900
lot of shooting yourself, where you place the camera, what height,
714
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:26.719
it says a lot about what you're trying to do
715
00:37:26.739 --> 00:37:29.460
with the character. And I think a perfect example of
716
00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:31.380
this is watch Silence of the Lambs. Any of the
717
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:36.679
scenes between Clarice and Hannibal Lecter, watch the height of
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where he places the camera and what it's doing for
719
00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:41.000
the characters in the scene.
720
00:37:41.260 --> 00:37:43.500
So he loses a little bit of that, but he
721
00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:44.500
finds other ways to do it.
722
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:47.550
Like you said about the way that he uses shadow.
723
00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:51.099
The way that where these characters are positioned in the
724
00:37:51.139 --> 00:37:53.429
scene as opposed to where they are to each other.
725
00:37:53.809 --> 00:37:58.110
There's a lot being said about these characters throughout that
726
00:37:58.909 --> 00:38:01.829
when it's done effectively, it goes unnoticed. It's just something
727
00:38:01.869 --> 00:38:06.469
that you feel. Because we get a lot with these characters,
728
00:38:07.130 --> 00:38:08.409
but there's still a lot.
729
00:38:08.289 --> 00:38:09.269
Of things gone unsaid.
730
00:38:09.289 --> 00:38:13.070
And we have to rely on these interpersonal moments to
731
00:38:13.090 --> 00:38:14.780
kind of put together the story that we're not being told.
732
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:18.599
Yeah, I mean, you're 100% right, because there's even one,
733
00:38:18.619 --> 00:38:23.309
and this is really my only, I say my only issue,
734
00:38:23.329 --> 00:38:26.570
because I feel that in my bones, is there's one
735
00:38:27.289 --> 00:38:31.570
thing that is brought up one time, or maybe twice,
736
00:38:32.030 --> 00:38:37.590
where Rebecca has this secret, because at one point Chris
737
00:38:37.610 --> 00:38:39.849
is on the phone with a friend and he says,
738
00:38:39.869 --> 00:38:43.070
you know, like what would have, what's the ramifications if
739
00:38:43.110 --> 00:38:45.289
someone's doing something illegal and then, you know, the spouse
740
00:38:45.329 --> 00:38:47.110
knows and they bring it up one more time before
741
00:38:47.130 --> 00:38:48.730
they leave for their trip and then they just never
742
00:38:48.750 --> 00:38:50.110
bring it back up again. Yeah.
743
00:38:50.309 --> 00:38:52.429
It never comes up. It bugs the shit out of me.
744
00:38:52.530 --> 00:38:55.489
Yeah. It's the only thing that I genuinely do not
745
00:38:55.530 --> 00:38:58.289
like about this movie because we have already established at
746
00:38:58.349 --> 00:39:02.610
this point in the movie before they leave that Rebecca
747
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:06.920
is is not only the most infuriating character in this movie,
748
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:08.639
but she should be on a top 10 list of
749
00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:11.940
just worst mothers in horror. She also has an incredibly,
750
00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:16.940
incredibly weird relationship with her son, Tyler, almost to the
751
00:39:16.980 --> 00:39:20.409
point where it's disturbing because she doesn't just favor this son.
752
00:39:20.860 --> 00:39:24.570
She like worships the ground he walks on, tells him
753
00:39:24.630 --> 00:39:27.309
that he gave her purpose. She has built almost her
754
00:39:27.369 --> 00:39:29.980
entire identity around this man. And then even at the end,
755
00:39:30.019 --> 00:39:32.519
the beginning of the movie when tyler's like well what
756
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:35.179
about chloe that for me was a huge moment because
757
00:39:35.250 --> 00:39:40.449
i thought oh maybe tyler is a caring brother and
758
00:39:40.469 --> 00:39:42.230
then it turns out he is just as much of
759
00:39:42.289 --> 00:39:45.010
a dick and a pompous asshole as his mother is
760
00:39:45.590 --> 00:39:50.289
He is so self-absorbed in his own, I'm going somewhere,
761
00:39:50.429 --> 00:39:53.949
I'm athletic, I'm this and that. And everyone except for
762
00:39:53.969 --> 00:39:55.929
the father, which I'm going to talk about him the
763
00:39:55.989 --> 00:39:59.469
most because he's the real MVP here, is basically treating
764
00:39:59.530 --> 00:40:02.909
Chloe like she's a problem. Like she didn't just have
765
00:40:03.090 --> 00:40:06.909
two of her best friends die from a quote unquote overdose.
766
00:40:07.090 --> 00:40:11.320
Like she's grieving the death of these people and Tyler
767
00:40:11.340 --> 00:40:15.690
and Rebecca are treating it Like, this is annoying. I'd
768
00:40:15.750 --> 00:40:19.309
rather not deal with it. Rebecca at one point even says,
769
00:40:19.369 --> 00:40:24.880
we can't let her drag us down with her. What
770
00:40:24.909 --> 00:40:25.639
the fuck?
771
00:40:25.659 --> 00:40:26.460
Yeah, yeah.
772
00:40:26.940 --> 00:40:29.139
And in a lot of ways, in some ways, I
773
00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:32.639
don't necessarily blame Tyler for being the way that he
774
00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:35.000
is because he is being put on a pedestal by
775
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:36.260
one of his parents.
776
00:40:36.420 --> 00:40:36.900
Correct.
777
00:40:37.099 --> 00:40:40.489
Correct. I don't blame him either.
778
00:40:40.590 --> 00:40:43.460
I really don't. I blame him, but I understand how
779
00:40:43.500 --> 00:40:44.659
he got there, I guess I should say.
780
00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:45.460
Yeah.
781
00:40:45.699 --> 00:40:51.619
Because some of their bickering just feels like sibling bullshit.
782
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:55.579
But he does have a couple redeeming moments in this
783
00:40:55.619 --> 00:40:59.179
film that shows, okay, he's not a completely terrible person.
784
00:41:00.099 --> 00:41:04.449
And he does care to some extent. One could argue
785
00:41:04.469 --> 00:41:08.269
that it's maybe a little too late, but... It's, yeah,
786
00:41:08.690 --> 00:41:11.199
he has an interesting role to play in this movie
787
00:41:11.500 --> 00:41:13.860
because in one way or another, he's going to become
788
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:14.559
very unlikable.
789
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:19.539
Yeah, I mean, so really the scene for me that
790
00:41:19.579 --> 00:41:23.210
kind of solidified how much of an asshole he was,
791
00:41:23.329 --> 00:41:27.150
was that dinner scene where Chloe is mentioning the presents
792
00:41:27.230 --> 00:41:30.309
to the family. The father is not dismissing it. He
793
00:41:30.389 --> 00:41:33.760
is curious about, it sounds farfetched, but I mean, he's
794
00:41:33.820 --> 00:41:38.559
listening and Tyler just explodes and starts swearing. And this
795
00:41:38.619 --> 00:41:41.579
is fucking stupid. You're going to fucking believe this talks
796
00:41:41.659 --> 00:41:44.409
about it being like, you know, like what you're experiencing
797
00:41:44.449 --> 00:41:47.190
with your, you know, dead drug addicted friends. Like that
798
00:41:47.230 --> 00:41:50.690
was such a cruel line to say. And then he
799
00:41:50.730 --> 00:41:55.130
storms off and that solidified like, wow. Okay. So Tyler,
800
00:41:55.750 --> 00:41:59.280
the problem that Chloe is having, who is completely shutting
801
00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:03.380
down as a human being, she is going, you know, inward.
802
00:42:03.699 --> 00:42:05.639
She is, she has really no one to turn to
803
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:08.699
except her father, which we will get to, but you know,
804
00:42:08.739 --> 00:42:10.980
she's grieving and she's messy and she needs help. And
805
00:42:11.019 --> 00:42:13.800
Tyler is just like, this is such a burden for me.
806
00:42:14.300 --> 00:42:17.079
And I was like, wow, what a terrible brother. And,
807
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:19.440
you know, Rebecca is kind of on his side to
808
00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:23.880
a certain extent. She's not outright as rude about it.
809
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:26.960
She's more subtle with the way she talks about it
810
00:42:27.019 --> 00:42:32.159
to Chris. Because if you noticed, Chloe and Rebecca have
811
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:37.090
one scene that is just them together. One scene. And
812
00:42:37.150 --> 00:42:41.789
she gives her the most fucking, like, unloving hug I've
813
00:42:41.949 --> 00:42:44.900
ever seen. before she leaves. And I find that to
814
00:42:44.940 --> 00:42:48.860
be very interesting. Like she basically doesn't exist to Rebecca.
815
00:42:48.900 --> 00:42:52.239
Like Chloe is such an afterthought. And instead, like instead
816
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:56.570
of using that, um, that moment for her, you know,
817
00:42:56.969 --> 00:43:00.210
instead of using her grief and her sadness about these
818
00:43:00.250 --> 00:43:03.090
people to connect with her daughter, she almost distances herself
819
00:43:03.130 --> 00:43:06.050
from her daughter. And it's like, what are we doing here, guys?
820
00:43:06.489 --> 00:43:10.070
Yeah. Yeah. There's, there's a clear divide in this, in
821
00:43:10.110 --> 00:43:10.909
this household. Yeah.
822
00:43:11.579 --> 00:43:16.059
And the father, he's trying to keep it all together.
823
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:20.880
You know, he clearly doesn't like his own son at times.
824
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:21.539
He loves his son.
825
00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:23.440
He doesn't like him very much. He doesn't like the
826
00:43:23.460 --> 00:43:26.949
person he's becoming. He even has that great dad line that,
827
00:43:26.989 --> 00:43:27.280
you know.
828
00:43:27.949 --> 00:43:29.630
Oh, God. I don't remember the exact quote.
829
00:43:29.650 --> 00:43:30.949
I got you. I got you.
830
00:43:30.989 --> 00:43:32.210
What was that great dad line?
831
00:43:32.349 --> 00:43:34.710
Because they're on the couch and he's just swearing and swearing.
832
00:43:34.730 --> 00:43:37.869
And he's like, Tyler, there is a good, decent person
833
00:43:37.909 --> 00:43:40.670
inside of you. And I really hope to see him someday.
834
00:43:40.710 --> 00:43:44.969
And I was like, oh, it's like, yes, you fight.
835
00:43:45.489 --> 00:43:49.030
And he is so, Chris is so, he does lose
836
00:43:49.070 --> 00:43:51.420
his shit at dinner, but because everyone's fighting, I get it.
837
00:43:51.849 --> 00:43:56.889
His emotional level and range, he kept things so calm
838
00:43:56.909 --> 00:43:58.920
because he's like, there's nothing I can do with this
839
00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:01.820
just outrageous kid. So I'm going to hit him with
840
00:44:01.860 --> 00:44:06.739
this fucking real sentence. And hopefully maybe it wakes something
841
00:44:06.820 --> 00:44:09.349
up inside of him. but he kept such a level
842
00:44:09.389 --> 00:44:11.510
head through most of this movie. I was like father
843
00:44:11.590 --> 00:44:12.949
of the fucking century, dude.
844
00:44:13.190 --> 00:44:13.429
Yeah.
845
00:44:13.530 --> 00:44:17.800
And like, he's, he's constantly the bridge between scenes. If
846
00:44:17.820 --> 00:44:20.940
you watch the way so much of this movie is splintered.
847
00:44:21.139 --> 00:44:25.500
And part of that is because teenagers are, they're teenagers. They're,
848
00:44:25.619 --> 00:44:27.039
they're going to want to stay in their room. They're
849
00:44:27.059 --> 00:44:30.980
going to want their own space. He's usually the character
850
00:44:31.059 --> 00:44:34.460
that's going from space to space, trying to keep things together.
851
00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:37.090
Even something as simple as going around asking if anyone
852
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:39.039
wants a burrito, Right.
853
00:44:39.059 --> 00:44:41.880
I love that. He doesn't ask, oh, I'm going to
854
00:44:41.900 --> 00:44:43.219
order from the Mexican place. What do you want? You
855
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:46.920
want a burrito? Everyone's getting a burrito. Yep. Yep. Keep
856
00:44:46.980 --> 00:44:47.519
it simple.
857
00:44:48.659 --> 00:44:53.889
But he's usually the character that's bridging everyone, where he's
858
00:44:53.989 --> 00:44:58.769
trying to make sure that Chloe doesn't feel ostracized.
859
00:44:59.239 --> 00:45:00.750
Yeah. More than she probably already does.
860
00:45:00.969 --> 00:45:04.980
He wants to make her feel heard because unfortunately, Rebecca, I,
861
00:45:05.099 --> 00:45:08.110
in my opinion, as a viewer, I feel she is self-absorbed.
862
00:45:08.150 --> 00:45:11.769
She's vain. She's deeply invested in appearances. And that's why
863
00:45:11.789 --> 00:45:14.230
I think she clutches on to Tyler so much because
864
00:45:14.289 --> 00:45:16.869
he's the successful one, but the movie does not make
865
00:45:16.909 --> 00:45:20.409
her this cartoonish villain. She's still a mother who genuinely
866
00:45:20.750 --> 00:45:23.989
like genuinely believes what she's doing is what's best. And
867
00:45:24.179 --> 00:45:26.590
that's what's, that's what makes her so frustrating to me
868
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:30.300
because she thinks she's doing the right thing. And maybe
869
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:33.219
objectively she is in her mind, but for me as
870
00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:37.860
a father, I'm not on her side in any regard.
871
00:45:38.329 --> 00:45:40.849
And then that brings me to Chris, because seriously, a
872
00:45:41.469 --> 00:45:44.710
goddamn legend, because horror movies at this point really have
873
00:45:44.750 --> 00:45:47.949
conditioned us for the dad to kind of be the
874
00:45:48.159 --> 00:45:52.679
ones that are the abusive ones or absent or. skeptical,
875
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:57.130
dismissing things. And Chris is one of the most wholesome
876
00:45:57.190 --> 00:46:01.250
dads in horror that like to this day, like, like
877
00:46:01.289 --> 00:46:03.690
how I said, Rebecca should be on a top 10 worst.
878
00:46:03.809 --> 00:46:06.599
He's like a top 10 dad in a horror movie
879
00:46:06.639 --> 00:46:09.659
because he's just a good dad. He sees that Chloe
880
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:12.469
is struggling. He doesn't really understand that. You know, you
881
00:46:12.489 --> 00:46:14.610
can't put yourself in the mindset of a teenager who's
882
00:46:14.670 --> 00:46:18.030
lost two people if you've never experienced that. So, you know,
883
00:46:18.130 --> 00:46:20.289
unless you've gone through that, you really can't relate, but
884
00:46:20.369 --> 00:46:22.989
he is doing his damnedest to connect with his daughter
885
00:46:23.110 --> 00:46:26.369
and make her feel heard, which is the most important
886
00:46:26.389 --> 00:46:28.469
thing you can do for your child is make them
887
00:46:28.550 --> 00:46:31.389
feel hurt. Even if you do not believe them or,
888
00:46:31.630 --> 00:46:33.409
and in this case, I think he does believe her
889
00:46:33.449 --> 00:46:35.730
to a certain extent, but he does not treat her
890
00:46:35.769 --> 00:46:39.679
trauma like this embarrassing inconvenience. He really does want to
891
00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:42.409
understand what hap what is happening. And I think he
892
00:46:42.449 --> 00:46:48.849
respects that she is experiencing something that is tragic. That's
893
00:46:48.889 --> 00:46:49.690
the vibe I got.
894
00:46:50.750 --> 00:46:53.889
He's searching for answers, too. He's the reason that they
895
00:46:53.949 --> 00:46:55.559
have the medium come to the house.
896
00:46:55.840 --> 00:46:56.239
That's true.
897
00:46:56.260 --> 00:46:59.599
He's just looking for, you know, I don't know if
898
00:46:59.619 --> 00:47:02.960
he necessarily believes it, but he's just like, what does
899
00:47:02.980 --> 00:47:04.079
it hurt? What does it hurt to try?
900
00:47:04.099 --> 00:47:04.960
Yeah. Right.
901
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:07.840
And, and, and that's the, that's, that's, that's something I
902
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:11.199
really enjoyed because usually it's the opposite. Like usually the
903
00:47:11.250 --> 00:47:14.030
dad is the dismissive one. The, the wife is brought,
904
00:47:14.090 --> 00:47:16.670
bring someone in and then, you know, the dad's just like,
905
00:47:16.690 --> 00:47:19.289
you're just, you're crazy or whatever. But in this case,
906
00:47:19.349 --> 00:47:21.969
he reached out to the realtor. The realtor has a
907
00:47:22.030 --> 00:47:24.610
friend who kind of has this, you know, they don't
908
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:26.940
call her a psychic or a medium. She just has,
909
00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:29.969
I can't remember. They use a different terminology, um, But
910
00:47:30.010 --> 00:47:33.929
then she comes in and has that experience with the mirror,
911
00:47:34.269 --> 00:47:37.170
which is a very important aspect of this movie. And
912
00:47:37.269 --> 00:47:40.360
I really love that scene so much because she's looking
913
00:47:40.389 --> 00:47:44.420
directly at the lens because she can sense that there
914
00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:46.739
is a presence there. And I love, you don't get
915
00:47:46.780 --> 00:47:48.480
very many times where they look at the camera, but
916
00:47:48.519 --> 00:47:52.179
when you do, it's like you feel this weird connection,
917
00:47:52.219 --> 00:47:56.400
like they're understanding what's going on. that there, there is
918
00:47:56.420 --> 00:47:58.619
a presence here. And I, that whole scene with the, with,
919
00:47:58.659 --> 00:48:01.619
I guess the medium I'll call her that was done so,
920
00:48:01.929 --> 00:48:06.389
so very well. Um, also really loved how when, when
921
00:48:06.469 --> 00:48:09.289
Lisa opened the door to come in, the camera like
922
00:48:09.429 --> 00:48:12.349
charged her, it was like, it was like stepping up
923
00:48:12.389 --> 00:48:14.690
to her and she like backed up. There was just
924
00:48:14.730 --> 00:48:16.710
a moment I wanted to mention, but that whole scene
925
00:48:16.730 --> 00:48:19.809
with the mirror was incredible. And then that's, that's when
926
00:48:19.829 --> 00:48:23.449
the split really happens in this family. you have Chloe
927
00:48:23.690 --> 00:48:26.610
and Chris like, okay, clearly something's going on here, and
928
00:48:26.670 --> 00:48:29.179
Tyler's like, this is bullshit, and Rebecca, and they both
929
00:48:29.219 --> 00:48:31.659
storm out, and you're like, guys, did you not see
930
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:33.639
what happened here?
931
00:48:33.659 --> 00:48:40.619
It's an interesting film, too, because there's a real matter-of-fact
932
00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:46.670
way that Soderbergh handles the concept of paranormal activity. Think
933
00:48:46.710 --> 00:48:49.710
about something like The Conjuring. The Conjuring is a very
934
00:48:49.750 --> 00:48:53.360
sensationalist viewpoint of a haunting.
935
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:56.639
Of a ghost, of a story like that. This movie
936
00:48:56.659 --> 00:48:57.239
doesn't have that.
937
00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:02.139
It's just, through most of the film, observing, and the most, like,
938
00:49:02.179 --> 00:49:05.199
you know, the most that happens is, like, shelves fall down,
939
00:49:05.300 --> 00:49:07.199
or the time that they move the book, but, like,
940
00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:12.769
you know, it's very small things. It's, like, not like
941
00:49:12.789 --> 00:49:16.170
this big sensationalist thing, and from the little bit of
942
00:49:16.210 --> 00:49:19.110
research I was able to do, and I found this
943
00:49:19.250 --> 00:49:25.000
also in that Los Angeles Times article, that Soderbergh's mother
944
00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:31.869
was a parapsychologist. Someone who studies ghosts and hauntings. But
945
00:49:32.250 --> 00:49:33.409
he himself is a skeptic.
946
00:49:34.510 --> 00:49:38.769
Interesting! And he's still... Made a movie about it. Ah,
947
00:49:38.849 --> 00:49:39.650
that's interesting.
948
00:49:39.750 --> 00:49:44.929
Yeah, he even said, too, that, you know, the idea
949
00:49:44.989 --> 00:49:47.840
came from him because, you know, him and his wife
950
00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:49.739
joke that there might be a presence in the house
951
00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:50.340
that they live in.
952
00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:51.360
Huh.
953
00:49:52.099 --> 00:49:54.679
But all to be said, he's still skeptical about the
954
00:49:54.699 --> 00:49:58.780
existence of ghosts, and it makes sense because he's almost
955
00:49:59.380 --> 00:50:02.219
viewing this movie in a very analytical way and the
956
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:04.170
concept of a ghost in a very analytical way.
957
00:50:04.929 --> 00:50:05.230
Huh.
958
00:50:05.909 --> 00:50:09.090
That's... One thing I definitely.
959
00:50:08.449 --> 00:50:12.010
Think we should talk about is, and not to promote
960
00:50:12.030 --> 00:50:13.630
my own show, The Shameless Picture Show.
961
00:50:13.849 --> 00:50:14.369
Oh, please.
962
00:50:14.429 --> 00:50:15.610
I want you to promote it always.
963
00:50:15.989 --> 00:50:19.340
But in the episode we recently did on the film
964
00:50:19.380 --> 00:50:22.519
The Dirties, me and my guest on that episode, we
965
00:50:22.539 --> 00:50:25.739
were talking about how the third character in that movie
966
00:50:25.820 --> 00:50:27.039
was the cameraman.
967
00:50:28.139 --> 00:50:30.150
Soderbergh's performing in this film.
968
00:50:30.570 --> 00:50:35.320
Soderbergh as the ghost is performing, the way that he
969
00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:38.000
moves through scenes, the way that he'll get close to
970
00:50:38.019 --> 00:50:40.519
something and then back off. When things get too intense,
971
00:50:40.539 --> 00:50:44.340
the way the ghost will go hide. That is a
972
00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:49.159
character in itself. Because even though there is an analytical
973
00:50:49.219 --> 00:50:51.780
way that he's viewing a lot of these things, he's
974
00:50:52.110 --> 00:50:55.190
adding emotion into the way that he's filming things.
975
00:50:55.210 --> 00:50:55.469
It's even.
976
00:50:56.320 --> 00:50:58.900
sometimes the ghosts will get really close and Amanda will joke.
977
00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:00.400
That's like fucking eye to eye.
978
00:51:00.420 --> 00:51:03.840
And there's other times where the, the presence is just
979
00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:06.699
kind of hiding off in a doorway and just observing.
980
00:51:07.260 --> 00:51:07.440
Right.
981
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:09.960
It's almost like there, you know, it gave me the
982
00:51:09.980 --> 00:51:11.860
sense in some scenes where it's just kind of like you're,
983
00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:14.559
you know, you're eavesdropping on a conversation that you're not
984
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:18.260
technically supposed to hear. So it gives you this interesting viewpoint,
985
00:51:18.619 --> 00:51:23.039
which I, which again, I, I quite enjoyed. And, um, Yeah,
986
00:51:23.059 --> 00:51:27.019
you're right. It's interesting that it picked the closet of
987
00:51:27.059 --> 00:51:29.800
all places, but I get it. It's a place that
988
00:51:30.260 --> 00:51:34.239
you can hide. If you've watched the movie, you know
989
00:51:34.260 --> 00:51:37.880
that the ghost is the brother Tyler. We'll get there
990
00:51:37.900 --> 00:51:40.619
in just a second. So I do love that. There's
991
00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:45.570
even that scene where Chloe and Ryan, who I have
992
00:51:45.610 --> 00:51:48.750
to mention briefly here, are having sex and the camera
993
00:51:48.769 --> 00:51:51.940
just hands into the, you know, into the clothes. Cause
994
00:51:51.980 --> 00:51:53.840
it's like, I don't, I don't want to, I shouldn't
995
00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:56.320
be here. I should not be a witness to this,
996
00:51:56.780 --> 00:52:00.750
but Ryan. Now the last character I'm going to talk about,
997
00:52:00.809 --> 00:52:04.849
because if I can biggest emotional betrayal for me, I
998
00:52:04.989 --> 00:52:07.500
didn't get a great sense from him right off the bat.
999
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:11.659
But then he was just so charming and attentive and like,
1000
00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:16.159
you choose, you're in control. And that's exactly what he
1001
00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:19.000
wants to take away from her. He is saying these things,
1002
00:52:19.260 --> 00:52:22.090
but he doesn't really mean it. And it's this hypocrisy
1003
00:52:22.110 --> 00:52:24.469
that it's like the whole point. Like he doesn't want
1004
00:52:24.510 --> 00:52:27.030
Chloe to choose. He wants to create this situation where
1005
00:52:27.070 --> 00:52:30.690
she can't choose. And then when he, when I see him,
1006
00:52:30.730 --> 00:52:34.579
you know, I can't, when I, when I saw this
1007
00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:37.659
in theaters, I was like the betrayal that I felt
1008
00:52:37.780 --> 00:52:42.739
was unfathomable. I was like, I really thought we were
1009
00:52:42.780 --> 00:52:45.579
going to have a character who was, who was kind
1010
00:52:45.619 --> 00:52:49.760
of like the bill scars guard of barbarian. Like, Oh,
1011
00:52:49.829 --> 00:52:51.590
I'm not sure about him. And then he turned out
1012
00:52:51.630 --> 00:52:54.150
to be just a perfectly fine guy. And then no,
1013
00:52:54.530 --> 00:52:56.789
you find out that not only is he trying to
1014
00:52:56.829 --> 00:52:59.920
drug her, he killed the other two girls. Clearly this
1015
00:52:59.960 --> 00:53:03.050
kid is a fucking sociopath and a serial killer at
1016
00:53:03.090 --> 00:53:07.550
this point, which is, I liked that kind of, twist
1017
00:53:07.590 --> 00:53:09.550
because you get kind of two twists right you think
1018
00:53:10.010 --> 00:53:13.989
we're here to figure out the ghost and what's going
1019
00:53:14.030 --> 00:53:15.489
on with the ghost and you do figure that out
1020
00:53:15.530 --> 00:53:17.469
but also there's that twist of like oh shit the
1021
00:53:17.550 --> 00:53:20.489
villain is this teenager the villain's not even the ghost
1022
00:53:20.869 --> 00:53:24.840
the the ghost is there to try and prevent ryan
1023
00:53:24.860 --> 00:53:27.820
from killing chloe and that was such a very like
1024
00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:30.780
whoa moment for me that i did not see coming
1025
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:32.780
i thought this was going to be specifically about the
1026
00:53:32.820 --> 00:53:36.050
ghost so getting that i was like fuck right like
1027
00:53:36.210 --> 00:53:38.570
i i felt so betrayed i don't know how did
1028
00:53:38.590 --> 00:53:41.170
you feel about that situation was that did you see
1029
00:53:41.190 --> 00:53:41.769
that coming at.
1030
00:53:41.809 --> 00:53:45.840
All no well no okay but also i just i
1031
00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:50.000
just tend not to trust people so when he was
1032
00:53:50.099 --> 00:53:53.780
being uh but i guess my first thing was like
1033
00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:56.219
well he's good friends with chloe's brother and he's kind
1034
00:53:56.239 --> 00:53:59.340
of a knob so like when's the the knobbery gonna
1035
00:53:59.409 --> 00:54:02.280
show itself Uh, but no, when the first time that
1036
00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:06.619
he pulled out the little baggie and to, to drug
1037
00:54:06.659 --> 00:54:08.340
her drink, I was like, wait a second.
1038
00:54:08.380 --> 00:54:08.579
What?
1039
00:54:08.980 --> 00:54:09.139
Yeah.
1040
00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:10.940
Like, whoa, whoa, whoa. What are we doing here?
1041
00:54:11.000 --> 00:54:12.039
Hang on. Yeah. Yeah.
1042
00:54:12.099 --> 00:54:15.989
And then like when he, you know, came back to
1043
00:54:16.030 --> 00:54:20.369
do it later on and he, you know, first drugged
1044
00:54:20.690 --> 00:54:24.250
the brother and Amanda's for, you know, pointed out right away.
1045
00:54:24.269 --> 00:54:26.829
It's like, well, that's a different drug. Ambien.
1046
00:54:26.869 --> 00:54:27.670
Yeah. Yeah.
1047
00:54:28.730 --> 00:54:30.489
Just the way that he's giving it to him.
1048
00:54:30.769 --> 00:54:34.570
Yeah, and then there was a whole thing where I
1049
00:54:34.610 --> 00:54:40.360
was like, okay, he's clearly a fucking creepazoid. What is
1050
00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:44.599
his ultimate goal here? Even if I didn't necessarily trust him,
1051
00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:50.349
I wasn't expecting the twist of him being the person
1052
00:54:50.389 --> 00:54:51.690
that really killed the friends.
1053
00:54:51.929 --> 00:54:56.210
Yeah, he used fentanyl for her. uh, Ambien for the
1054
00:54:56.250 --> 00:55:00.730
brother and you, you know, use the plastic sheeting to
1055
00:55:00.829 --> 00:55:03.449
cover there, which is interesting. Cause it's like, why didn't
1056
00:55:03.489 --> 00:55:05.840
you just, you know, you already had the fentanyl, like
1057
00:55:05.989 --> 00:55:08.380
you could just overdose them that way. But then he
1058
00:55:08.409 --> 00:55:10.860
goes to the extra level, which is the true like
1059
00:55:11.079 --> 00:55:14.739
psychotic nature of this guy to put the plastic over
1060
00:55:14.780 --> 00:55:18.219
their mouth. So that way they just essentially suffocate to death,
1061
00:55:18.300 --> 00:55:21.559
which is just, I mean, this kid is in high school, dude,
1062
00:55:22.380 --> 00:55:25.599
the fuck happened to you? Like, oh my God. So
1063
00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:28.420
you find that out. And then all of those moments
1064
00:55:28.460 --> 00:55:32.099
that we see prior to the presence watching Chloe, we
1065
00:55:32.139 --> 00:55:35.030
find out is her brother. She is trying, you know,
1066
00:55:35.070 --> 00:55:38.469
Tyler is trying to understand his death. He's trying to realize,
1067
00:55:38.550 --> 00:55:40.690
you know, he sees the person he is as he
1068
00:55:40.750 --> 00:55:45.710
is experiencing, you know, what happened, but on the other side.
1069
00:55:45.909 --> 00:55:48.030
And this is where it kind of gets sad. You know,
1070
00:55:48.110 --> 00:55:50.989
he's confronting himself and realizing that he was a shitty brother.
1071
00:55:51.030 --> 00:55:54.360
He's kind of arrogant and, He's watching his family. He's
1072
00:55:54.420 --> 00:55:57.760
watching himself and slowly realizing that he's kind of a dick.
1073
00:55:57.780 --> 00:56:00.409
But then there also is the redemption because he is
1074
00:56:00.449 --> 00:56:04.349
inevitably what saves his sister. And this is the part
1075
00:56:04.389 --> 00:56:07.650
I love about ghost movies. A lot of ghost movies
1076
00:56:07.869 --> 00:56:11.650
is how they fuck with time, right? And the ending
1077
00:56:11.710 --> 00:56:13.429
is either going to work for people or it's going
1078
00:56:13.469 --> 00:56:15.550
to not work for people because I think that's why
1079
00:56:15.590 --> 00:56:18.239
it has a 2.9. But when the medium is there
1080
00:56:18.320 --> 00:56:21.670
and they're talking about ghosts and like they don't experience
1081
00:56:21.710 --> 00:56:24.409
time the same way past future present it's all happening
1082
00:56:24.429 --> 00:56:26.469
at the same time it's very much akin to a
1083
00:56:26.650 --> 00:56:30.510
ghost story these these movies i paired together it was
1084
00:56:30.559 --> 00:56:33.099
a terrible idea because i spent 90 or you know
1085
00:56:33.119 --> 00:56:36.360
three hours just crying fucking bawling my eyes out because
1086
00:56:36.380 --> 00:56:39.719
they're just so the movies are so beautiful but you
1087
00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:43.469
find all of that out and um like I said,
1088
00:56:43.489 --> 00:56:44.650
it's either going to work for you or it's going
1089
00:56:44.670 --> 00:56:47.309
to not, but I really like how time is fucked
1090
00:56:47.349 --> 00:56:51.130
with because there are no rules. Like we don't know
1091
00:56:51.570 --> 00:56:56.260
the afterlife. Um, and it's, it's, it's very possible that
1092
00:56:56.280 --> 00:56:58.079
this is just how it works. It's if you've seen
1093
00:56:58.119 --> 00:57:01.280
a rival as well, a rival also kind of fucks
1094
00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:04.179
with time. It's aliens in that one, but the same
1095
00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:07.139
things are present with, you know, the future past, all
1096
00:57:07.179 --> 00:57:10.989
of these things kind of happening simultaneously. Um, um so
1097
00:57:11.320 --> 00:57:14.050
i enjoyed that it's it's something that again i feel
1098
00:57:14.110 --> 00:57:16.690
is either going to work or not the reveal for
1099
00:57:16.750 --> 00:57:20.110
you and knowing that the ghost was tyler saving his
1100
00:57:20.469 --> 00:57:24.659
sister was that something that landed for you or did it.
1101
00:57:24.639 --> 00:57:28.219
Did it did and if if anything because like the
1102
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:30.239
climax of the film was very very well done uh
1103
00:57:30.989 --> 00:57:35.219
a lot of great tension um I feel like my,
1104
00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:38.019
one of the things I've been saying so much throughout
1105
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:41.079
this conversation is the concept of too little, too late. Uh,
1106
00:57:41.139 --> 00:57:42.559
and I kind of feel that way about the film
1107
00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:45.199
as well. It's like as good as that climax was
1108
00:57:45.550 --> 00:57:49.260
and the, them going out the window was really fucking shocking. I,
1109
00:57:50.190 --> 00:57:53.750
I think the, the art of a slow burn is
1110
00:57:53.789 --> 00:57:56.369
you need to kind of trickle things in throughout the film.
1111
00:57:56.409 --> 00:57:56.489
Okay.
1112
00:57:57.449 --> 00:58:01.170
And I, I feel like, uh, for me personally, I
1113
00:58:01.210 --> 00:58:04.760
wish we would have, uh, had a couple more moments
1114
00:58:05.960 --> 00:58:08.360
to really make that feel earned.
1115
00:58:09.139 --> 00:58:10.500
Okay. If that makes sense.
1116
00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:14.949
No, it was, it was, um, you know, I've got
1117
00:58:14.969 --> 00:58:19.949
a lot of trauma based around brothers, um, and relation
1118
00:58:20.010 --> 00:58:23.389
relationships that you've never really gotten to explore to their
1119
00:58:23.449 --> 00:58:26.460
full extent. And I never will get the chance to
1120
00:58:26.599 --> 00:58:29.019
explore that relationship with my brother. So those moments always
1121
00:58:29.039 --> 00:58:29.639
kind of hit me.
1122
00:58:30.989 --> 00:58:31.690
Uh, differently.
1123
00:58:32.570 --> 00:58:35.650
And, um, you know, cause throughout this entire film, I
1124
00:58:35.670 --> 00:58:37.650
just wanted Tyler to just not.
1125
00:58:37.530 --> 00:58:40.449
Be a fucking shit. You know, there's always going to
1126
00:58:40.469 --> 00:58:43.690
be a bit of like sibling bickering. That's fine. That's whatever.
1127
00:58:43.710 --> 00:58:47.469
That's just part of spending your life with someone that,
1128
00:58:47.969 --> 00:58:49.519
you know, you're kind of forced to when you're both
1129
00:58:49.599 --> 00:58:51.820
going through this weird times in your lives. Like when
1130
00:58:51.840 --> 00:58:53.880
you grow up with someone, you spend too much fucking
1131
00:58:53.920 --> 00:58:56.300
time with them. Um, you're just going to grow to
1132
00:58:56.639 --> 00:58:57.579
just be annoyed by them.
1133
00:58:57.780 --> 00:58:57.960
Yeah.
1134
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:03.300
Um, but, They would never... The concept that they'll never
1135
00:59:03.429 --> 00:59:06.869
figure out what their relationship would have become is what's
1136
00:59:06.889 --> 00:59:07.929
heartbreaking to me.
1137
00:59:08.820 --> 00:59:09.119
It is.
1138
00:59:09.199 --> 00:59:15.119
It's a very bleak, somber, and somehow... What's the word?
1139
00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:18.469
I'm trying to think of a fancy word for positive
1140
00:59:18.650 --> 00:59:20.710
or whatever you want to call it. There's a lot
1141
00:59:20.730 --> 00:59:24.389
of emotions that happen by the end of it because...
1142
00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:29.119
You know, Tyler is dead. Ryan is dead. Not not
1143
00:59:29.139 --> 00:59:31.940
a loss there. But then, you know, you also have
1144
00:59:31.980 --> 00:59:34.949
the mom who worshiped Tyler. And now she's just kind
1145
00:59:34.969 --> 00:59:37.949
of stuck with Chloe. I'm not empathizing with her. It
1146
00:59:38.010 --> 00:59:40.690
almost feels like, hey, now you need to pay attention
1147
00:59:40.730 --> 00:59:45.559
to the one child that actually needed you. So but yeah,
1148
00:59:45.780 --> 00:59:50.449
I quite enjoyed it. The ending, because you have I
1149
00:59:50.550 --> 00:59:53.429
think they did a great job with stretching out that
1150
00:59:53.510 --> 00:59:56.570
scene because it is a pretty long scene from when
1151
00:59:56.610 --> 00:59:58.210
she drinks the.
1152
00:59:59.110 --> 01:00:01.719
And it's so uncomfortable.
1153
01:00:01.780 --> 01:00:03.840
And that's the thing, right? You've spent this whole time
1154
01:00:04.039 --> 01:00:07.489
in this mysterious, mysterious place, not knowing what's going on.
1155
01:00:07.820 --> 01:00:12.300
And then suddenly everything becomes real, a real imminent threat,
1156
01:00:12.679 --> 01:00:15.260
real danger. And they drag it out to the point
1157
01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:18.139
where he's fucking with her and like letting her not
1158
01:00:18.219 --> 01:00:21.130
breathe and then letting her breathe. And it's in sitting
1159
01:00:21.230 --> 01:00:23.230
in that I was like, oh, my God.
1160
01:00:23.289 --> 01:00:25.750
It's essentially a cat playing with its food. Right.
1161
01:00:25.849 --> 01:00:29.650
And I was like, this is diabolical. So and then
1162
01:00:29.690 --> 01:00:32.030
I love how the camera rushes down and it does
1163
01:00:32.090 --> 01:00:34.929
that kind of like. and then like the camera shakes
1164
01:00:34.969 --> 01:00:37.650
and it's like, wake the fuck up Tyler. And I
1165
01:00:37.690 --> 01:00:40.429
do feel the ending was kind of not anticlimactic, but
1166
01:00:40.469 --> 01:00:42.869
it did feel rushed. However, I did, like I said,
1167
01:00:42.909 --> 01:00:46.010
I did like how they stretched out that just painful
1168
01:00:46.050 --> 01:00:51.449
scene to ultimately end it so quickly, like boom, bing, bang, done. Um,
1169
01:00:51.860 --> 01:00:53.760
but then I have a question. It's like, okay, well
1170
01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:56.300
that girl was clearly on a lot of drugs. Did,
1171
01:00:56.360 --> 01:00:58.420
did they, you know, obviously she survived, but it's like,
1172
01:00:58.460 --> 01:01:00.739
did we get the, the, the plastic off her face?
1173
01:01:01.550 --> 01:01:03.889
And then she just sat there till, you know, she
1174
01:01:03.929 --> 01:01:06.449
woke up, I guess, because then the next scene is
1175
01:01:06.469 --> 01:01:09.179
them moving out of the house and fair enough. I
1176
01:01:09.219 --> 01:01:11.760
wouldn't want to live there either. But what I really
1177
01:01:11.800 --> 01:01:15.679
enjoy too about the ending is Rebecca actually sees her
1178
01:01:15.760 --> 01:01:18.079
son in the mirror. And that's why that mirror coming
1179
01:01:18.099 --> 01:01:19.719
back to the beginning of this, what we said at
1180
01:01:19.739 --> 01:01:21.940
the episode at the beginning of the episode, that mirror
1181
01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:24.909
is important and it holds all of these, you know,
1182
01:01:24.929 --> 01:01:26.429
cause even the lady was like, Oh, it's a hundred
1183
01:01:26.449 --> 01:01:29.909
years old and mirrors can hold memories and people and
1184
01:01:30.449 --> 01:01:34.269
So she sees her son realizes who the presence was.
1185
01:01:34.610 --> 01:01:38.300
And then this camera shot is so goddamn beautiful where
1186
01:01:38.320 --> 01:01:41.880
the camera backs out of the house. Clearly they hook
1187
01:01:41.940 --> 01:01:44.760
it to a drone and then he just ascends in
1188
01:01:44.800 --> 01:01:48.360
like he has done his purpose is complete. He has
1189
01:01:48.420 --> 01:01:52.389
saved his sister and now he can finally move on.
1190
01:01:52.469 --> 01:01:55.369
And that was such a beautiful ending shot for me.
1191
01:01:55.880 --> 01:01:56.199
I don't know.
1192
01:01:56.300 --> 01:01:58.650
I'm a very big champion of this movie kind of,
1193
01:01:58.840 --> 01:02:01.400
you know, warts and all, but I, this movie just
1194
01:02:01.489 --> 01:02:04.690
works for me so fucking well. It just gives me,
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I don't know. It weirdly gives me this cozy feeling,
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01:02:08.250 --> 01:02:10.650
even though I know the subject material is not cozy
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01:02:10.690 --> 01:02:15.570
in any regard, but just the father daughter connection and this,
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01:02:15.750 --> 01:02:18.320
this presence kind of peeking in on all of this
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and the mystery of it, it just fully works for me.
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Like I said, the only thing that doesn't work is
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01:02:23.730 --> 01:02:26.889
that fucking random subplot that they never bring up again.
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01:02:28.269 --> 01:02:28.690
What the fuck?
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01:02:28.710 --> 01:02:32.610
Yeah, I was legitimately curious. You're just dangling a carrot
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01:02:32.630 --> 01:02:33.550
in front of us at this point.
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01:02:33.869 --> 01:02:34.510
Yeah, I want to know.
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01:02:34.659 --> 01:02:39.480
So I pretty much think that's all I've got here.
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01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:42.500
Is there anything that we did not touch on that
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01:02:42.539 --> 01:02:45.639
you'd like to mention before we wrap up?
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01:02:46.260 --> 01:02:49.489
Not really. I feel like we got most of it.
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01:02:50.090 --> 01:02:50.409
Yeah.
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01:02:51.030 --> 01:02:51.809
Way to go, Soderbergh.
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01:02:52.030 --> 01:02:55.489
Yeah, way to go, Soderbergh. I guess my ending thing
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01:02:55.550 --> 01:02:59.909
here is presence is less of a haunted house movie
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01:02:59.989 --> 01:03:02.750
and more of a ghost story about the complicated, fucked up,
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01:03:02.789 --> 01:03:06.670
occasionally beautiful ways that people can continue loving each other
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01:03:06.710 --> 01:03:08.590
even after they're gone. And I think this is a
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01:03:08.869 --> 01:03:12.219
very good ghost story. Like I said, it's very much
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01:03:12.260 --> 01:03:15.719
akin to a ghost story. Instead of being the ghost
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01:03:15.800 --> 01:03:19.079
you are witnessing from the, it's the ghost perspective, but
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01:03:19.179 --> 01:03:22.159
the ghost is actually in frame. And how they represent
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01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:24.469
the ghost is just the sheet with the two eyes.
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01:03:24.489 --> 01:03:28.989
I just love that movie. It is incredibly beautiful. Much
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01:03:29.030 --> 01:03:31.750
like this movie. So I like these two movies together.
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01:03:31.769 --> 01:03:35.079
You pair them together, you're going to cry. If you're me,
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01:03:35.119 --> 01:03:37.420
at least. But I like these two because.
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01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:38.300
And you don't cry much.
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01:03:38.579 --> 01:03:42.780
I don't. But the second that song plays... in a
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01:03:42.820 --> 01:03:47.519
ghost story, that song that, you know, it's like Casey
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01:03:47.579 --> 01:03:49.920
Affleck is making it in the movie, but it's done
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01:03:49.960 --> 01:03:52.980
by someone else. Every time that song plays, I just
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01:03:53.079 --> 01:03:56.539
fucking weep, dude. That song is so emotional for me,
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01:03:56.559 --> 01:03:57.579
and I don't know why.
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01:03:57.639 --> 01:04:00.679
I've still not seen the film. Me and Nick are
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01:04:00.699 --> 01:04:01.630
doing an episode on it.
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01:04:02.699 --> 01:04:03.320
Oh, dude.
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01:04:03.590 --> 01:04:07.650
And it's one I've been waiting to do. So I
1237
01:04:07.670 --> 01:04:09.329
think I've talked about it on this show. David Lowery
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01:04:09.389 --> 01:04:10.530
is a pen pal of mine.
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01:04:10.730 --> 01:04:11.070
Yes.
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01:04:11.250 --> 01:04:11.530
Years.
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01:04:12.409 --> 01:04:14.409
Um, it's one of his films that I've intentionally held
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01:04:14.510 --> 01:04:16.929
off on just because I liked there still being some
1243
01:04:16.989 --> 01:04:17.650
new ones.
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01:04:17.469 --> 01:04:21.119
That I can discover. I'm excited for you to watch that.
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01:04:21.199 --> 01:04:25.019
It is such a beautiful, it is just a beautiful film. Um,
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01:04:25.179 --> 01:04:27.139
but all right, I think that that'll do it for
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01:04:27.159 --> 01:04:31.079
the movie here. So that is presence from a 2024.
1248
01:04:31.070 --> 01:04:34.809
Let's go into the final cut here. Taglines. This is
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01:04:34.869 --> 01:04:38.309
very strange because, uh, they did not finish this tagline. It,
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01:04:38.510 --> 01:04:43.449
it says in this house, there is a, That's it.
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01:04:43.489 --> 01:04:44.690
Weird tagline. Yeah, I don't know.
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01:04:45.570 --> 01:04:48.409
Trivia, only three things that I could find of interest.
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01:04:48.820 --> 01:04:50.639
There was only like five things total, but the film
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01:04:50.659 --> 01:04:54.360
was shot in just three weeks, nearly entirely within one house,
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01:04:54.420 --> 01:05:00.320
according to Variety. The average film contains hundreds, if not thousands,
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01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:04.000
of hard cuts. This film only contains 33 hard cuts
1257
01:05:04.099 --> 01:05:07.219
to black, which is crazy. The on-screen end credits font
1258
01:05:07.239 --> 01:05:09.400
is the same as Poltergeist from 1982, which is a
1259
01:05:09.420 --> 01:05:09.820
lot of fun.
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01:05:12.489 --> 01:05:14.250
Goofs. I didn't catch that. That's fun.
1261
01:05:14.429 --> 01:05:16.110
Yeah, I didn't catch that either. And then when I
1262
01:05:16.170 --> 01:05:17.630
read that, I went back and looked at it and
1263
01:05:17.650 --> 01:05:20.590
I was like, oh yeah, no goofs. There was one
1264
01:05:20.650 --> 01:05:23.170
and it was extremely long and it had zero likes
1265
01:05:23.210 --> 01:05:28.230
and zero thumbs down. So whatever. We have rated 6.1
1266
01:05:28.230 --> 01:05:31.869
out of 10 on IMDB. So for our purposes of
1267
01:05:31.889 --> 01:05:34.889
the Nightmare Index, that is a 3.05 out of five.
1268
01:05:34.909 --> 01:05:37.510
It also has a 2.95 of an aggregate score on Letterboxd.
1269
01:05:37.510 --> 01:05:45.989
87% on the Tomatometer, 52% audience score. I know you
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01:05:46.050 --> 01:05:48.170
are not currently rating films, but if you had to
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01:05:48.230 --> 01:05:50.829
just give an impulse rating on what you think you'd
1272
01:05:50.869 --> 01:05:52.309
give this, what would it be?
1273
01:05:52.949 --> 01:05:53.949
I'd say maybe a three.
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01:05:54.309 --> 01:05:54.610
A three?
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01:05:54.869 --> 01:05:55.610
I'd say probably a three.
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01:05:55.889 --> 01:05:57.599
Like I said, I'm a huge champion for this film.
1277
01:05:57.900 --> 01:05:59.380
Four and a half for me. I just think it's
1278
01:05:59.440 --> 01:06:01.739
a beautifully done movie. So that gives us a Nightmare
1279
01:06:01.800 --> 01:06:07.929
Index of 3.5. And I have completely redone the entire
1280
01:06:07.989 --> 01:06:11.630
Nightmare Index because I realize that Letterboxd has an aggregate
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01:06:11.690 --> 01:06:14.590
score if you go to the website and hover over
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01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:17.280
the rating. So everything has changed and now there are
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01:06:17.389 --> 01:06:24.119
no ties anywhere. So this is going to sit right 336. Okay,
1284
01:06:24.460 --> 01:06:27.619
so right above Army of the Dead at a 3.35
1285
01:06:27.619 --> 01:06:29.280
and right below Cocaine Bear at a 3.40.
1286
01:06:29.260 --> 01:06:29.460
Okay.
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01:06:31.900 --> 01:06:35.329
So that is going to be number 24 on the
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01:06:35.369 --> 01:06:38.510
Nightmare Index out of currently 42 films.
1289
01:06:39.210 --> 01:06:43.670
And a fun fact, if you're on the Letterboxd app,
1290
01:06:43.769 --> 01:06:47.639
you can change it between ratings and friends ratings.
1291
01:06:47.860 --> 01:06:50.619
Yes, you can. I found that out by accident like
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01:06:51.260 --> 01:06:53.320
a few months ago. I was like, oh, that's fun.
1293
01:06:53.340 --> 01:06:57.159
I like that. Similar movies according to IMDb. This is
1294
01:06:57.239 --> 01:07:02.099
where it gets really weird. Together, Black Bag, but that
1295
01:07:02.139 --> 01:07:07.449
was directed by Soderbergh. Drop, Oddity, and Good Boy. Sure.
1296
01:07:08.090 --> 01:07:11.769
Similar movies according to Letterboxd. These make a lot more
1297
01:07:11.809 --> 01:07:15.880
sense because they're ghosts. Stir of Echoes, Caddo Lake, Night Swim,
1298
01:07:16.000 --> 01:07:18.539
and American Haunting, and Lake Mungo.
1299
01:07:18.559 --> 01:07:21.719
I forgot about Night Swim. It wasn't very good.
1300
01:07:21.739 --> 01:07:24.800
It was really not that great. Funny reviews, and then
1301
01:07:24.840 --> 01:07:26.880
we can GTFO.
1302
01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:31.119
Okay, so I didn't get as many, most of them
1303
01:07:31.139 --> 01:07:32.300
I forgot, but I got a couple.
1304
01:07:32.489 --> 01:07:32.889
All right.
1305
01:07:33.590 --> 01:07:36.530
Why don't you go first, because if we have any overlap,
1306
01:07:36.550 --> 01:07:37.190
I've got extra.
1307
01:07:37.429 --> 01:07:39.449
All right, so first one is Two and a Half
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01:07:39.469 --> 01:07:43.050
Stars by David Ehrlich, a film critic I like. His
1309
01:07:43.090 --> 01:07:46.769
review says, Like so many of Soderbergh's post-retirement exercises, this
1310
01:07:46.829 --> 01:07:48.429
would have been great if it had been good.
1311
01:07:49.050 --> 01:07:55.550
Okay. Okay. I think that's probably the best one I found.
1312
01:07:56.090 --> 01:08:01.690
So no rating, no heart from Lexi Amariello. He could
1313
01:08:01.710 --> 01:08:03.590
have at least put the orange juice back in the
1314
01:08:03.670 --> 01:08:05.610
damn fridge, fucking savage.
1315
01:08:09.539 --> 01:08:11.679
This one was from Aries Blue. They gave it two
1316
01:08:11.699 --> 01:08:14.219
and a half stars. Soderbergh delivers the best acting performance
1317
01:08:14.239 --> 01:08:15.840
in this film.
1318
01:08:16.840 --> 01:08:17.939
This is not wrong.
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01:08:19.039 --> 01:08:24.189
Four stars from Shobin. Get you a ghost who's going
1320
01:08:24.220 --> 01:08:26.479
to clean your room and fend off all your opponents
1321
01:08:26.539 --> 01:08:29.880
for you. I agree. What a wholesome ghost.
1322
01:08:31.079 --> 01:08:35.199
This one is from that YouTuber I sent you, Patrick Willems.
1323
01:08:36.300 --> 01:08:38.840
No review, no heart, but he said, this is going
1324
01:08:38.859 --> 01:08:40.899
to be one of those movies that makes everyone mad,
1325
01:08:40.939 --> 01:08:42.859
and I will forever be the guy that slides in
1326
01:08:42.899 --> 01:08:45.239
annoyingly to announce, well, I liked it.
1327
01:08:45.399 --> 01:08:50.949
Hey, that's me! Four stars from Harley Quinn. The ghost
1328
01:08:50.989 --> 01:08:54.079
in my room probably needs help too, because it's done
1329
01:08:54.119 --> 01:08:55.359
with me and my depression.
1330
01:08:58.750 --> 01:09:00.439
All right, this one is from... Emily St.
1331
01:09:00.479 --> 01:09:00.859
James.
1332
01:09:01.460 --> 01:09:02.039
Just a heart.
1333
01:09:02.380 --> 01:09:05.060
It says, I really liked this question mark, question mark,
1334
01:09:05.100 --> 01:09:09.930
possibly improved by my constant low-key anxiety that someday having
1335
01:09:09.949 --> 01:09:12.930
to raise a teenager amongst the scariest thing of them all,
1336
01:09:13.170 --> 01:09:13.770
teenage boys.
1337
01:09:14.909 --> 01:09:18.869
Correct. All right, last one for me, because I genuinely
1338
01:09:18.909 --> 01:09:21.390
do want to know. Jacob drew three and a half stars,
1339
01:09:21.689 --> 01:09:23.609
and I'm going to read this in the voice that
1340
01:09:23.630 --> 01:09:26.159
I'm hearing in my head. But did the dad ever
1341
01:09:26.340 --> 01:09:27.420
order the burritos?
1342
01:09:30.300 --> 01:09:34.779
Oh, right. So I think I've got one more.
1343
01:09:34.939 --> 01:09:35.500
Go for it.
1344
01:09:35.560 --> 01:09:38.859
It says, Ian gave it three stars. Scariest part is
1345
01:09:38.899 --> 01:09:40.109
that mother-son relationship.
1346
01:09:40.170 --> 01:09:41.050
Fucking right.
1347
01:09:43.899 --> 01:09:46.220
All righty, Michael. If people would like to hear you
1348
01:09:46.319 --> 01:09:48.399
and the sultry sound of your voice, where can they
1349
01:09:48.460 --> 01:09:51.020
find you on social media?
1350
01:09:51.670 --> 01:09:51.989
All right.
1351
01:09:52.170 --> 01:09:56.689
You can find me at Michael underscore Vyers on Instagram.
1352
01:09:56.869 --> 01:09:59.689
Shameless Picture Show on Instagram and TikTok. You can find
1353
01:09:59.710 --> 01:10:02.550
me at Vyers102008 on Letterboxd or just search my name.
1354
01:10:03.609 --> 01:10:07.710
I've got pretty easy to find social media accounts. And
1355
01:10:07.750 --> 01:10:11.409
then you can also find my podcast, The Shameless Picture Show.
1356
01:10:11.520 --> 01:10:16.659
We are... A critical analysis podcast that focuses on gaps
1357
01:10:16.880 --> 01:10:23.069
in our watching history. Occasionally I'll do some interviews. Austin,
1358
01:10:23.090 --> 01:10:24.909
what's coming up next? I don't remember what you're working on.
1359
01:10:25.250 --> 01:10:27.970
So we've got Who's That Girl, which by the time
1360
01:10:28.010 --> 01:10:31.920
this episode releases will be out. And then we've got
1361
01:10:32.920 --> 01:10:35.140
Tron coming out, but I think you wanted me to
1362
01:10:35.220 --> 01:10:38.350
slide in something before Tron. I think I wrote all these.
1363
01:10:38.369 --> 01:10:40.430
Yeah, which we can't talk about yet.
1364
01:10:40.470 --> 01:10:43.149
Can't talk about yet. It is an interview with somebody,
1365
01:10:43.189 --> 01:10:45.409
but then Tron's coming up, and then you've got another
1366
01:10:45.470 --> 01:10:50.170
interview with Bill. Not Bill. You just did Bill. You
1367
01:10:50.210 --> 01:10:51.180
watched Ikaru.
1368
01:10:51.189 --> 01:10:54.189
Yeah, with Brian Tallarico.
1369
01:10:54.220 --> 01:10:56.399
Yeah, you've got a lot of good stuff coming up.
1370
01:10:56.680 --> 01:11:00.579
Yeah, I've got Wildwood, New Jersey, with the director Ruth Lightman.
1371
01:11:01.539 --> 01:11:06.180
And then I've got just announced... I got Adam Rifkin
1372
01:11:06.220 --> 01:11:06.600
coming on.
1373
01:11:06.680 --> 01:11:09.100
Yeah, Adam Rifkin. And then, of course, the end of
1374
01:11:09.119 --> 01:11:11.979
the year with the Christmas special. Always a good time.
1375
01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:12.680
What are you joining us for?
1376
01:11:12.699 --> 01:11:16.270
I am very, very thrilled to be on the Christmas episode.
1377
01:11:16.390 --> 01:11:19.829
I'm very excited. So if you enjoy this show, please
1378
01:11:19.869 --> 01:11:22.109
rate and review on your favorite podcast app of choice.
1379
01:11:22.210 --> 01:11:25.510
Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, Slasher Threads, and YouTube
1380
01:11:25.529 --> 01:11:30.430
at Frighteners Podcast. Email is stayspookyatoutlook.com. I'm also going to
1381
01:11:30.590 --> 01:11:34.710
ask anybody to send me spooky, scary stories. that I
1382
01:11:34.750 --> 01:11:37.670
could read on my social media. I want to get
1383
01:11:37.710 --> 01:11:40.810
into that. So if you've got a spooky story and
1384
01:11:40.930 --> 01:11:43.329
a fucking real fake, I don't give a shit. Send
1385
01:11:43.369 --> 01:11:48.369
it my way. You can follow me on Letterboxd at Dr. Proctor. Also,
1386
01:11:48.430 --> 01:11:51.449
check out the Dust Bunnies trailer on YouTube. It is out.
1387
01:11:51.489 --> 01:11:51.989
It is done.
1388
01:11:52.010 --> 01:11:55.449
It is a great little film. Austin doesn't like to
1389
01:11:55.489 --> 01:11:57.479
compliment himself. I'll do it for him. I think it's
1390
01:11:57.489 --> 01:11:58.149
a great fucking film.
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01:11:59.579 --> 01:12:01.739
If you'd like to expand your movie podcast listening, be
1392
01:12:01.779 --> 01:12:04.159
sure to check out, of course, The Shameless Picture Show,
1393
01:12:04.229 --> 01:12:06.279
the Dead Eye Millennial Film Club, if they're even still
1394
01:12:06.310 --> 01:12:08.109
doing stuff. I don't know what the hell Jason Hillman's
1395
01:12:08.130 --> 01:12:08.789
doing these days.
1396
01:12:08.810 --> 01:12:11.050
Yeah, Jason Hillman, what the hell are you doing?
1397
01:12:11.130 --> 01:12:13.329
I'll have to get in his DMs. And one week
1398
01:12:13.390 --> 01:12:16.430
rental as well. Next week, Corey and I will be
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01:12:16.449 --> 01:12:23.250
doing Terrified, not Terrifier, Terrified from 2017 as our international pick.
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01:12:23.289 --> 01:12:26.470
It is directed by Damian Rugna, who also did When
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01:12:26.670 --> 01:12:30.359
Evil Lurks. It is streaming on Shudder. It is such
1402
01:12:30.399 --> 01:12:33.380
an underrated film with one of the greatest jump scares
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01:12:33.539 --> 01:12:36.750
of all time. So I'm putting that. I'm not going
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01:12:36.770 --> 01:12:38.689
to tell you when it is, where it is. Greatest
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01:12:38.729 --> 01:12:41.149
jump scare of all time. So until next week, guys,
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01:12:41.189 --> 01:13:24.600
stay tuned and stay spooky. Thank you for listening.
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