John Hamer | False History, Parasitic Bloodlines & Info Control, NASA & Creation of "Space"

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I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder
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and weirder. And finally, it's going to be so weird
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that people are going to have.
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To talk about how weird it is.
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email me, ForbiddenKnowledgeNews at gmail.com. Today I want to welcome
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John Hamer. He is a geopolitical researcher, analyst, public speaker,
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and author. John, welcome. How are you doing?
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I'm very good, thank you. And yourself?
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I'm great. It's great to have you. Today we're going
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to share the research contained in your book, The Falsification
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of History, Our Distorted Reality. which explores the ongoing parasitic
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control systems and the small group of psychopaths that have
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been in power for a very, very, very long time,
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consistently controlling historical narratives to a point where our entire
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history has been altered to maintain the power of these parasites.
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I love the research that you've done. Before we get
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into it, though, this is your first time on. Tell
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us just a little bit about yourself and let the
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audience know how they can find out more.
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Sure. Yeah. My name is John Hamer.
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I've been a geopolitical researcher, author and public speaker for
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just coming up to 30 years. And yeah, so Falsification
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of History, the book that we're talking about, was my
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first book. I'm just about to publish book 12. So,
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you know, it's been a long it's been a long journey.
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But yeah, it's and hopefully it's going to continue, you know,
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for another long while as well. So yeah, that's basically
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what I do. I'm obviously based in the UK. You
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can probably tell by my accent. And yeah, it's a
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pleasure to be here.
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Yeah, it's great to have you. Long overdue. I just
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became familiar with your work recently, which I don't know
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how that's possible with the areas that I've been focusing on.
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But I'm really looking forward to getting into this. Since
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we're going to be focusing on that first book, give
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us a synopsis on what you focused on throughout the book.
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Yeah, well, basically, it's just a roughly chronological treatise, if
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you like, on exactly how history has been falsified through,
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as you kind of alluded to earlier, Christopher, throughout the millennia, really.
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I mean, going back to Babylon times, which is where
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the bloodlines that control us, it's from where they originate,
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which is going back 5,000 years or so.
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And it's been the same bloodlines.
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Throughout history, through Babylon, through ancient Greece, the Romans, the Merovingians,
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European royalty, and then, of course, spread westward to the Americas. So, yeah,
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it's the same bunch of people, basically, that have been
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doing this for many thousands of generations. So, yeah, it's
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just really that chronological process explanation and it covers a
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lot of different events that are not what people actually
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think they are and that's why it's called the falsification
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of history because history has been systematically falsified for millennia.
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Being that is the case, most of what we can
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find documented about our history has been altered in some way.
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What routes did you take to try and get the
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most accurate information going back as far as possible?
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Yeah, that's a good question.
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I mean, when I first began doing this, the internet
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was very much in its infancy. So there wasn't an
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awful lot on the internet. And to be honest, when
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I first kind of came into this truther world, for
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want of a better expression, I didn't really know anyone
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else who felt the same way that I did. You know,
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this is going back to the mid to late 90s.
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And I just.
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I spent a lot of time in public libraries.
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As I said, there wasn't an awful lot available on
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the internet at that time because I had an old
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dial-up internet at that time, you know, where you had
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to use the phone line to download a page every
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30 seconds. So it was a bit slow going on
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the internet. So, yeah, and I used to browse old
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bookshops as well. And I own a lot of very
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old books. And the thing about older books is that
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they're more likely to contain the truth.
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People say, why? Why is that, John?
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Well, that's because they're constantly refining the agenda. So if
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you have a book that's 100, 150 years old, it's
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more likely to tell the truth because they've not refined
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the agenda to the extent that they have at this
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point in time. So I've found a lot of very,
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very interesting information through my book collection, which I'd gleaned
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from old bookshops.
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When we look at how everything has landed us in
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our modern age, it's difficult to trace a central power structure.
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Many that get into this field of research tend to
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believe that there are different factions that may be fighting
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for control of agendas or ideologies that they want to
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put forward. But would you say that there is a
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central power source that we can look at today? that
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dictates where everything goes?
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I think the answer to that is, is that yes,
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that probably is, but I'm not sure. I'm not convinced
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that anyone apart from insiders know exactly what it is.
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There's so many different interlocking factions and whereabouts they actually
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fit into the, to the whole pyramid structure. Everything's a pyramid,
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isn't it? But whereabouts they all actually fit into that structure.
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It's a bit of a mystery really.
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All you can do, really, when you're researching it, is
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accept that you cannot know the real truth, because I
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believe that is hidden.
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But that's just my opinion.
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It could be way off-beam, but that's how I tend
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to look at it when I'm researching.
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In our modern history, there's a series of events that
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seem to be stepping stones. I'd say, confidently, World War II...
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the JFK assassination, Vietnam, and COVID. The COVID operation was
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a huge one for recent events. They all seem to
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be interlinking and stepping stones for each other, as well
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as the growing and emerging technocracy that we've seen today.
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Going back to our modern history, would you add any
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other high-impact events that were major stepping stones besides those?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I mean, if you go back, say, 150 years, both
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world wars were planned in the 1870s by the Prince
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of Wales of Great Britain, who became Edward VII after
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Queen Victoria died. He was very, very instrumental, not on
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his own, obviously, but he was very, very instrumental, along
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with the Rothschilds, of planning World War I and World
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War II and possibly World War III, but obviously that's
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not happened yet, despite all the blustering and all the...
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You know, all the fear mongering that's going on about
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it at the moment. So, yeah, that, you know, if
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we go back to that point in time, that was
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kind of the start of the modern of modern history,
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if you like.
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So World War One, World War Two, most.
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Definitely the Cold War, as you say, Vietnam War, the
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moon landings, the fake moon landings, Kennedy assassination, you mentioned
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as well. Yeah, there are lots and lots of different things,
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you know, some more trivial than others. 9-11, of course,
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was a big one. And, yeah, the Gulf War. You
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could go on and on, really, but everything is connected.
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This is the point, and this is kind of what
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I've tried to emphasise within the book. All these seemingly
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isolated events, all these occurrences, all these wars, all these
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false flags, they are all connected in the common denominator.
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Yeah. are the people who rule over us with an
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iron fist.
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You mentioned the British royal family. Would you say that
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they are one of the main focuses when we're looking
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at the power structure even today?
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Absolutely, yeah.
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I mean, they are one of the Merovingian bloodlines, one
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of the original bloodlines that I mentioned earlier. Yeah, I mean,
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there are 13 of these bloodlines interlocking families who intermarry
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with each other. They are just one of them, European
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royal families, but the British one, the British royal family
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kind of rules the roost. The British royal family is
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the most superior royal family in the world.
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So they are a massive part of it. They do
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a very good job of.
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Disguising it, by the way, but they are very, very
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up to their scrawny little necks in it.
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There's absolutely no doubt about that.
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When we try to explore the motivations of these groups...
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It's easy to look at the geopolitical aspects, the wars
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that are fought, some of the surface level agendas that
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come through. But when you start exploring the darker side,
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the occult aspects, child sacrifice, some of the darker ritual aspects,
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it gets very dark and murky. And a lot of
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people check out. They don't want to go any further
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into this or they just dismiss it outright. as far
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as that aspect goes the occult practices the dark spirituality
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i'm divided on this part of me wants to believe
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that it's used as psychological operation to have us believe
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that they're all powerful and magical to perpetuate these myths.
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But then another part of me thinks that they really
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believe in this and they're really applying some of these
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ancient Babylonian occult beliefs, even some of the practices that
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they're doing today. If you look at MKUltra, some of
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the horrific experimentation that was done, much of it was
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satanic ritual abuse. So what are your thoughts on the
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occult aspects of everything?
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Yeah, I think people turn away from that because it
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is quite upsetting. You know, it is distressing, a lot
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of the stuff that you read. And to be honest,
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when I first started looking at child sacrifice and child abuse,
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you know, the level of child abuse that goes on
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in the world, I mean, it's absolutely rife amongst the
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upper echelons. It's very distressing and I found it very difficult,
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but I've kind of got numb to it over the years.
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But yeah, you know, it is a, It's an integral
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part of what they do. It's very fixed in their
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belief systems, such as they are. But what we've got
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to remember and what we've got to take into account
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is the fact that these people are far more scared
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of us than we are of them. I say this
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all the time when I'm doing my public talks. People
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will say to me, oh, John, it's terrible. This world
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is terrible. I'm scared to death all the time.
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Well, don't be.
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You know, the only thing you have to fear is
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fear itself because these people know, this is why they
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do what they do, because they know that we are
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more powerful than them. And if we ever got our
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collective act together, they'd be finished. But the problem is
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they work at us constantly to divide and conquer us.
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And that's why the truth movement is so fractured.
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So blown apart because they have infiltrators who come within
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and they, and they, And they divide and conquer. They
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split us up. They split us up into little factions
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so that we lose our power. But, you know, the
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reality is we're very, very powerful spiritual beings. And, you know,
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as I say, if we could just harness that as
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a group, then these people would have nowhere to go.
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So this is why they do what they do. They're
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terrified of us. I'm sorry, I probably got off the
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point a.
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Little bit there.
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No, it's great.
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Do you think that there is... One grand unified goal
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for the ruling class, where they want to bring us.
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As far as I can see, is a grand surveillance state, technocratic,
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anti-human system where we're ruled by AI and technology. And
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most likely the population is a lot less and they
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have just a global power system. But is there anything
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beyond that that we can look at?
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Well, I think it comes down, again, to the fact
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that they're terrified of us. This is why they want
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to reduce the population massively. You know, the generally accepted
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wisdom on that is that they want to reduce the
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population by, like, 95%. In fact, the Georgia Guidestones, before
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they were destroyed, actually stated that, you know, in plain English. Well,
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not just in English, but in lots of other major
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languages as well. They want to reduce the population because
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they're terrified of us.
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They know.
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that if we, as an 8 billion or whatever that
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figure is, I'm not sure it's 8 billion. I think
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that's made up personally, but that's another story for another
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time perhaps. But yeah, I think they want us, our
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numbers greatly reduced so that they can control us because
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as I keep saying, they're terrified to death of us.
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It might not seem like that, but they really, really are.
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You've done some work looking into Princess Diana. I'd love
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to hear more about her role, not only in the
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royal family, but what she personally was attempting to do there.
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Yeah, Princess Diana. I mean, bless her.
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She was a loose cannon, okay? She was creating waves. Charles,
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King Charles as he is now, Prince Charles as he
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was then, wanted rid of her because she'd fulfilled her
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role creating what she referred to as the heir and
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the spare, you know, the heir to the throne and
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his younger brother in case of anything happened to the
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eldest one, William. So, yeah, she was surplus to requirements.
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She kicked back. You know, she wouldn't be bullied. So
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she made life very, very difficult for the royals. And
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the big problem that Diana had was the fact that
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the British public, I would say 70% of the British
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public was on her side against the royal family.
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And we can't have that.
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I believe that was the catalyst that set that train
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of events in motion to actually get rid of her.
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And they did that very successfully, covered it up well,
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and the rest is history. But yeah, Diana wasn't one
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for sitting back and taking it. She fought like a
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tigress for her children, for her marriage. She still believed
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that she could maintain a marriage up to a point.
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She did. And then obviously at some point she realized
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that that wasn't possible.
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But the big problem for her was that she was
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such a loose cannon. She was threatening to betray a
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lot of their secrets. We never found out what those were.
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who's totally anonymous, we don't know who it was, but
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the information was leaked out. she was about to blow
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the whistle big time on, on their activities. And that's
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what kind of brought it on.
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Um, very, very brave woman, not the brightest lamp in
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the street Lhasa, but you know, she, she fought for
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what she believed in. She fought for her children and
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she fought for her own rights as well. And that,
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and that's what did for her.
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Yeah. Well, there's so few that have done that throughout history.
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Another difficult aspect about waking up to all of this
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is the realization that we can't have any heroes. The
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deeper we dig into specific individuals throughout history, the skeletons
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come pouring out. Most of them, if they weren't compromised,
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they were that way from the get-go. And we can
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look at Princess Diana as one of the few who
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were bucking the system, possibly JFK in some ways. It's
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really difficult to name that many others. Would there be
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any others besides JFK, Princess Diana, that you'd add to
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that list throughout modern history?
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Well, I think you were right when you said that
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there are so few because they know the consequences. Most
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people are not prepared to risk their lives, and they
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are risking their lives by going against the power that.
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Shouldn't be, as I call them.
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So, yeah, there are very, very few, but all the
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ones that I can't think of any off the top
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of my head.
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But JFK was a great example.
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I mean, that was the reason for, I wrote a book,
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I don't know if you've seen my book list, but
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I wrote a book called JFK, A Very British Coup.
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And the reasons that I called it Very British Coup
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was because it was actually, you know, I've uncovered a
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lot of evidence to say that it was the British
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Shema Six that actually coordinated and planned it all. They
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didn't actually carry it out, but they coordinated and planned
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it all in conjunction with several American societal factions. JFK's
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problem was that he tried too much to clean up
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the country.
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He was getting rid of corruption.
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He threatened to split the CIA into a million pieces,
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which didn't go down very well. He made a massive
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enemy of J. Edgar Hoover. the head of the FBI.
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They hated each other. Even he and Lyndon Johnson, you know,
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had the knives out for each other. He upset big
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oil massively.
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All this stuff's in the book, by the way, if
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anybody's interested.
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But he upset big oil massively. He upset the Federal Reserve.
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He introduced his own currency, which bypassed the Federal Reserve.
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And nobody, but nobody lives to do that. There are
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so many examples of that, which we'll go into, but
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there are so many examples of people trying to do that,
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bypassing the central banks. So, yeah, it was a combination
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of all those different things. Very, very complex story, but
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that's kind of the nub of it. And, you know,
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JFK was never going to survive that. You know, it
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just upset just about every establishment faction you can imagine.
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And that's why he didn't live to tell the tale.
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There are some that would even put Donald Trump in
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that category, which I don't. There's a split amongst the
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beliefs about this as well. Some believe that from the beginning,
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he was in the club and he was always meant
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to be doing what he's doing now. But others believe
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that he started out noble in his first term and
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then was compromised and eventually became just another part of
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the system. Do you have any thoughts on what was
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happening with him?
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Um yeah i mean obviously it's only my opinion you
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know yeah i couldn't swear to any of this but
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it's just it's just kind of stuff that i've gleaned
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over the years um well first of all i would
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say that nobody ever gets to be president without being
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part of the establishment nobody nobody and um I think
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probably the last person to do that was JFK, strangely enough.
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But yeah, no, I think Donald Trump's part of the problem, personally.
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I know it's a very popular thing to knock Trump,
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and it's almost become a.
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I don't know what the word is, but it's almost
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become a norm that Trump is some kind of a villain. Well,
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I don't think he's a hero, but I don't think
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he's any worse than anyone.
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Else, particularly.
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But what you've got to take into account with Trump
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is that he has more mentions in the Epstein files
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than any other person. OK, so he's a proven child molester,
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you know. And so, no, I don't think he's one
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of the good guys. I think they try to create...
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It's almost like a double bluff. They try to create
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that impression that Trump's really a good guy and then
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this is why he's attacked all the time because.
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It's almost as though they're kind of pretending that there
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is a good guy, so we have to get rid
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of him. So we have to pull him down at
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every opportunity. It's like a double bluff kind of situation.
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That's the way I see it. I may be way
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off beam, and if I am, I apologize, but that's
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just my own personal view.
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You mentioned how convoluted conspiracy culture has become in the
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past few years. I'm starting to wonder if this was
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all by design for some reason or another. I mean,
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I can even go back to 2018 with the Alex Jones,
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Sandy Hook fiasco when the censorship started. But in 2020,
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that's when everything really started to kick off with censorship,
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canceling people. You couldn't say certain things. You fast forward
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to today and even last year when things started to
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ease up, I had my YouTube channel taken down for
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some of the things that I was discussing and they
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actually gave it back to me. last year out of
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the blue for some reason, but they seem to be
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easing up on everything. But not only that, every conspiracy
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is flooding the mainstream airwaves. We even have mainstream news
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personalities and content creators that are easily being allowed to
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discuss this. The algorithms are picking them up and these
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people are all over the place. But There's so much
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bad information, misinformation, leading people in wrong directions. It all
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seems to be intentional right now. What do you think
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about that?
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Yeah, I agree.
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I mean, I think it's all done for a purpose.
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I'm not 100% sure what that purpose is, but it
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could well be what you say. I think it's just
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muddying the waters. It's kind of there's so much information
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and disinformation going on right now far more than.
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There ever has been.
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And it's very difficult to pick the truth from fiction.
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Very, very difficult.
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I'm not a current affairs guy. I tend to look
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at stuff after the event, when it's become apparent what
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the agenda was, rather than trying to speculate in the
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here and now, if you understand what I'm saying. So
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I may not be as aware as yourself, Christopher, about
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exactly what is going on current affairs-wise. But I do
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agree with you about the fact that, yeah, there's all
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sorts of weird stuff going on right now.
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Weird stuff. And I think it's just, like I said,
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to muddy the waters as much as anything.
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I am of the belief that what was done during
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the time of MKUltra experiments, 50s, 60s, 70s and beyond,
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was for these groups to understand human psychology, to understand
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a degree that we couldn't even fathom. Now they're implementing
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those understandings with the combination of pharmaceuticals, social media, the
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information that is coming about, and using it to mind
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control the masses, essentially.
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Yeah, I mean, this comes back to what we were
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saying before. One of the ways, one of the main
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ways that they can control us It's through propaganda and fear. OK,
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those are the two biggies as far as control, because
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this is what everything is all about. This is why
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they do what they do. This is why they are
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what they are. This is why they are what they are,
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because they are frightened of us. So the only way
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that a few thousand can control a few billion is
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through fear and propaganda. And that propaganda includes the falsification
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of history to make things appear different to what they
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actually are. Because if we have this perception of this
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false reality that we live in, and it is a
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false reality, nothing is as it seems, then it's very,
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very difficult for us to fight back because we're not
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fighting a real enemy, if you like, if that makes sense. So, yeah,
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I don't know whether that answers the question or not,
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but that's kind of what sprung to mind when you
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were asking it.
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Well, along with all the other information that's come about,
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The release of the Epstein files is included in that.
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That seems to have no other effect than demoralization at
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this point. Zero justice served. The people that were involved
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are still going about their lives, most likely doing these operations.
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The people now have become desensitized, and with each... new
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bit of information that comes out about the horrific actions
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of our ruling class, the more desensitization there is. And
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people eventually look at this and they say, well, what
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are you going to do? That's just the way it is.
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That's just the world that we live in. And life
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goes on. It goes into the memory hold. That's another
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aspect that makes me think that this is all just
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being thrown out there because we're at a point in
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the overall agenda where it doesn't matter what we know,
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we've already gotten past a point of no return, so
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to speak.
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, that's a very interesting point. And
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I agree.
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There's a lot of desensitization going on. It's kind of
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making people numb to all the horrors that are happening
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in the world today. And, you know, we see that,
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you know, I don't do it myself, but if you
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switch on the TV, everything you just bombarded with horror
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and just really bad stuff, wars, death, famine, tsunamis, you
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name it. They've got a ready-made nemesis for us all,
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an off-the-shelf nemesis for us all, and that takes many,
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many different forms. And again, that's about lowering our vibrations,
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making us fearful, making us frightened of what might happen
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in the future. We're seeing a lot of that now,
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I guess, on TV, on very odd occasions when I
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watch it. You know, they talk in World War III
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all the time, nuclear attacks, blah, blah, blah. It's just
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a way of suppressing us. And it's a way of
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instilling that fear into our brains to make us more playable.
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So that, you know, it's all the Galian dialectic, isn't it?
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You know, so they create this fear. And then we will,
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you know, the idea is that we go back to
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them and say, help us. You know, you've got to
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help us. You've got to do something about all this.
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And then they've got a ready-made solution, whatever that might be. So, yeah,
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that's how it all works. It's how it always has been,
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but I agree. The agenda seems to be really stepping
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nor will there ever be, any blanket solutions that we
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could follow to pull out of this. But individually, myself
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and many others that I know that participate less and
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less in With the anti-human ideologies and the system in general,
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their lives tend to get much better. And that seems
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to be the key, removing yourself from as much of
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it as possible. When you look outside of your window,
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everything seems to be fine.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, you're right.
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I mean, I have a little meme that I showed
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you in my slide presentations when I'm doing my talks.
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And it's a split screen. And at one side, it's
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this guy. It's a cartoon.
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But the guy sat in front of the TV. And
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the caption is, how to stop living in fear. And
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the next half of the screen says, it just shows
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him going click in the TV off. So I just
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think that's probably very appropriate.
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Yeah.
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Don't, don't, don't engage with them is, is, is the
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best way to stop living in fear. Again, this is
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something that I say to people all the time. And
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that is that, you know, people will come up to
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me after a talk and they'll say, John, how do
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you cope with all this stuff all the time? It's
528
00:30:22.049 --> 00:30:26.259
bombarding us with negativity and, and horror and fear.
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I say, well, At first, I was like that.
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I mean, I was terrified because I didn't know anybody
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else who felt the same way as I did. And
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whoever I tried to talk to, they just treated me
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as though some kind of idiot. But eventually, over a
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long period of time, and I'm not saying it's easy,
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but I would advise everyone to try doing this who
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does live in fear of the future. Just compartmentalize it.
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Just keep it in the little corner of your brain
538
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and only bring it out when you need to.
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The rest of the time, Just live.
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Your lives, be happy, care for your friends, love your families,
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00:31:02.500 --> 00:31:05.660
and just ignore what they're doing because that's how I live.
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And that's the only way you can actually unplug yourself
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from this fear factor.
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What role do you think Israel is playing in everything?
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There seems to be a lot of information that is
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guiding people towards a hatred of Israel. And I'm not
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saying that it's unwarranted in any way, but again, this
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00:31:30.349 --> 00:31:34.029
information is being allowed to be discussed openly right now.
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00:31:34.670 --> 00:31:40.130
There's so much pushback against quote-unquote anti-Semitism, but yet all
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the information is being allowed and they seem to be
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pushing towards this overall consciousness shift to where Israel is
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the global enemy. And I could be reading that wrong,
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but that's the way everything seems to be playing out.
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What role do you think that they really play? Are
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they a scapegoat or are they a powerful player in
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the system?
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Yeah, I think they are a powerful player.
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I think they hold a lot of American politics, not
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just American politics, but all Western politics to ransom. You know,
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for example, you cannot be a politician in any country
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in the Western world, and I would include the U.S.
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in that as well, without being a friend of Israel.
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I know for a fact in the UK you have
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to sign a pledge that says before you can become
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an MP, a member of parliament, you've got to sign
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a pledge that says you will look after the interests
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of Israel, probably even before those of the UK. And
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I'm pretty sure that's much the same in the US,
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probably even worse, because a massive proportion of American politics
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is controlled by Judaism, by Jewishness.
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So, yeah.
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I think there is a massive, I think, you know,
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when people talk about, oh, it's the Jews, it's the Jews.
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I don't.
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I don't talk like that because it's not the Jews.
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It's the Zionists, which is a different thing altogether. If
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anybody doesn't know the difference between Judaism and Zionism.
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I would ask them to look it up. But it's
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not the same.
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You know, most normal everyday Jews, you know, the guy
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who lives down the street, goes to synagogue on a
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Saturday morning.
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It's not them.
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Right.
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You know, they might be brainwashed into believing that they
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are some kind of a super race, which, you know,
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maybe they are, maybe they aren't. But it's not them
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that are doing this. It's the Zionists. It's the controllers
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of Israel who are behind most of the mayhem that
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goes on. Israel was formed as the result of... This
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is for people who don't know this, but Israel was...
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was formed as a result of a letter in 1917
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called the Balfour Declaration, which was the British Foreign Secretary
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at the time, Arthur Balfour, who wrote to Lord Rothschild
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and said that they would pledge support for them taking
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over Palestine as a homeland for the Jews. And this
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is during World War I, by the way, as long
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as we got the Jewish support or the Zionist support.
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in world war one to help us pull through beat
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the germans um so yeah that that was that pledge
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was made in 1917 it actually came to fruition in
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1946 after the second world war there's a whole bunch
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of convoluted history in between those two dates that led
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to it which you know won't go into right now
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um but yeah it was israel was created as an
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artificial state it was created as a A lot of
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people think it's a criminal state whereby they use the
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fact of their immunity as a country to actually wreak
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havoc within the world and cause mayhem in the Middle.
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East, which, you know, they love to do. So, yeah.
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So, again, I'm brushing over it very much, but that's
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kind of a broad brush idea about what's going on. And, again,
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it's probably worth some kind of research if anybody is
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questioning that.
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Well, the angle I was coming from is that there
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is a religious aspect of this, a prophetic aspect, where
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Israel has to have a new Messiah. The end of
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days is going to be the final battle, but none
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of this can come to fruition unless without their new
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Messiah and the series of events that we seem to
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00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:40.500
be heading towards now, it does seem artificially created in
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that aspect.
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Yeah, definitely.
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Yeah, you're absolutely right. I wouldn't disagree with a word
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of that. But it's all contrived, isn't it? It's all contrived.
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00:35:52.420 --> 00:35:57.880
They're always completely following this agenda, little step by little
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00:35:57.900 --> 00:36:01.469
step by little step, and sometimes by bigger steps. But yeah,
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it's all part of the push towards ultimate control.
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Do you think the spiritual, religious control aspect is purely
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that and always has been that these world religions were
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00:36:16.579 --> 00:36:21.940
created to perpetuate the control systems of these parasitic rulers?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I mean, I don't want to offend anybody, but I
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do believe that we're going to have The organized religion
635
00:36:30.389 --> 00:36:35.000
is absolutely a control mechanism. Every single organized religion you
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00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:38.579
can name, it's a control mechanism. It's keeping people in
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their little boxes of belief so that they don't stray
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outside that and find out what's really going on. Again,
639
00:36:44.579 --> 00:36:49.670
that's a very glib, very broad, basic statement. But I
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think that's the purpose of all religions and why they
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00:36:52.010 --> 00:36:55.909
were founded centuries and centuries ago, whichever stripe of religion
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00:36:55.929 --> 00:36:56.349
it might be.
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And again, I do apologize.
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00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:01.710
Well, it does seem that there may have been some
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very beneficial spiritual beliefs in our ancient past, some genuine connections,
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but they all seem to be infiltrated by this parasitic
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group and co-opted and changed to something else.
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Absolutely.
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I mean, I often say I'm not religious, not mainstream religious,
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but I am spiritual. I do believe in a creator,
651
00:37:23.489 --> 00:37:26.829
you know, but I don't believe in christian god i
652
00:37:26.829 --> 00:37:28.670
don't believe in the muslim god i don't believe in
653
00:37:28.690 --> 00:37:32.320
the jewish god you know it's a very personal thing
654
00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:35.599
to me you know my spiritual beliefs are very personal
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00:37:35.659 --> 00:37:37.860
i don't need to be part of a group you
656
00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:41.460
know i believe what i believe and you know that's
657
00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:44.260
that's a private thing it's not something to be shared
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00:37:44.340 --> 00:37:47.500
on a sunday afternoon or a saturday morning you know
659
00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:51.659
it's it's a personal thing and you know that's just
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00:37:51.980 --> 00:37:53.130
my belief so.
661
00:37:54.420 --> 00:37:57.099
Let's talk a little bit about your book, One Giant
662
00:37:57.159 --> 00:38:00.800
Lie to Mankind, The Untold Story of the Apollo Missions.
663
00:38:01.510 --> 00:38:05.889
I am fascinated by the deceptions that NASA has put
664
00:38:05.949 --> 00:38:11.170
forward over the years, the blatant lies about these missions
665
00:38:11.309 --> 00:38:15.079
and basically everything that NASA has done and really stands for.
666
00:38:15.500 --> 00:38:16.980
Give us a synopsis of the book.
667
00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:23.349
Yeah, well, it's meant to be a comprehensive debunk of
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00:38:23.570 --> 00:38:26.610
everything to do with NASA and the moon mission, the
669
00:38:26.630 --> 00:38:29.849
Apollo missions and everything else that's followed on since, you know,
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00:38:29.889 --> 00:38:32.050
bringing it right up to date with the Artemis thing
671
00:38:33.070 --> 00:38:33.849
earlier this year.
672
00:38:34.530 --> 00:38:37.670
So yeah, it's a look at the entire thing.
673
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You know, we talk about right at the very beginning,
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we talk about the secret history of NASA, the political
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00:38:44.030 --> 00:38:47.269
elements of how that all came about. You know, then
676
00:38:47.530 --> 00:38:49.969
of course we got onto the first man in space,
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And the collusion between Kennedy and Khrushchev and the Soviet
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00:38:56.090 --> 00:39:01.269
space program, the Apollo project, obviously, and how they faked
679
00:39:01.409 --> 00:39:04.380
it and why they faked it. The whole gamut, really.
680
00:39:04.489 --> 00:39:07.539
I mean, it's just a comprehensive debunk of the whole thing.
681
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:11.219
Yeah, it's so easy to debunk. It's so easy to debunk.
682
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:13.030
It's just untrue. It is.
683
00:39:13.070 --> 00:39:16.250
Just if you look at some of the images and videos,
684
00:39:16.309 --> 00:39:19.469
that raises the red flags right there. And the deeper
685
00:39:19.510 --> 00:39:22.139
you dig, the more you find. Let's talk a little
686
00:39:22.179 --> 00:39:28.139
bit about that secret history of the very beginnings of NASA.
687
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:29.440
How was this created?
688
00:39:30.780 --> 00:39:33.820
Right. Well, despite what you might read on the Internet
689
00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:36.300
about if you look at the history of NASA, it
690
00:39:36.340 --> 00:39:39.400
doesn't tell you the whole truth. What happened was in
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the very late 1940s, a group of people got together.
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Some of these people were very famous people and they
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00:39:46.219 --> 00:39:49.440
were there were five people. And there was a guy
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by the name of Jack Whiteside Parsons who formed the
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00:39:52.579 --> 00:39:55.760
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, which is an adjunct of NASA now.
696
00:39:56.739 --> 00:40:01.260
So he promulgated the Jet Propulsion Laboratory.
697
00:40:01.530 --> 00:40:04.170
He was a rocket scientist, a very early rocket scientist, who,
698
00:40:04.210 --> 00:40:06.250
by the way, blew himself up in his own garage
699
00:40:06.849 --> 00:40:11.869
messing about with rocket fuels. And he was very friendly
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with a guy. Some of the viewers might be familiar
701
00:40:15.210 --> 00:40:16.739
with this guy, Alistair Crowley.
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00:40:17.030 --> 00:40:17.239
Mm-hmm.
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The British occultist. And then we had a guy by
704
00:40:22.059 --> 00:40:25.440
the name of L. Ron Hubbard, again, the founder of
705
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:29.760
the fake religion of Scientology. And we had a guy,
706
00:40:29.860 --> 00:40:33.699
another quite a famous guy called Walt Disney and another
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00:40:33.780 --> 00:40:37.469
one by the name of Werner von Braun, who was
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00:40:37.570 --> 00:40:40.110
part of it was a Nazi rocket scientist and he
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was part of Operation Paperclip. the program that actually brought
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00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:48.860
Nazi scientists into America and to Britain and other countries
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00:40:48.929 --> 00:40:52.530
as well. So those five people were instrumental in formulating
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the idea of a national space agency in the States, obviously.
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00:40:57.889 --> 00:41:00.530
And what do all those five people have in common?
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00:41:00.789 --> 00:41:06.690
They were all practicing occultists, if not downright Satanists. So, yeah,
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00:41:06.869 --> 00:41:10.949
they were the prime movers behind it. Again, I go
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00:41:10.969 --> 00:41:14.329
into masses of detail about that in that chapter of the.
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00:41:14.289 --> 00:41:16.750
Book, which is right at the very beginning. Makes sense,
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00:41:16.809 --> 00:41:21.309
it's at the beginning. So, yeah, that was the real story.
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What would you say the hidden occult purpose for the formation,
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the original idea of why they wanted to form NASA?
721
00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:35.019
Right, this is where we get into really esoteric stuff, okay?
722
00:41:35.059 --> 00:41:35.400
I love it.
723
00:41:35.500 --> 00:41:38.460
And I don't know how a lot of the people
724
00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:41.949
out there are going to respond to this. But, okay,
725
00:41:43.369 --> 00:41:49.010
they realized at that point in history that the world
726
00:41:49.090 --> 00:41:53.090
and the universe was getting smaller, not physically, but metaphorically smaller.
727
00:41:53.690 --> 00:41:58.230
Okay. And certain facts were coming to light about how the.
728
00:41:58.219 --> 00:42:02.659
Universe worked, not the stuff that they tell us, the
729
00:42:02.699 --> 00:42:05.260
Big Bang Theory and all that absolute nonsense, because it
730
00:42:05.300 --> 00:42:09.460
is all absolute nonsense. And even the actual makeup of
731
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:12.400
outer space. if it even exists in the way that
732
00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:15.219
they tell us, which I absolutely doubt. I don't cover
733
00:42:15.260 --> 00:42:16.719
all this stuff in the book, by the way, for
734
00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:19.500
anybody who's interested in reading it and thinks, what a
735
00:42:19.539 --> 00:42:22.420
load of rubbish this guy's talking. I don't cover any
736
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:26.840
of that stuff. It's purely the evidence of what they.
737
00:42:26.739 --> 00:42:28.340
Tell us, if you like. So I don't cover any
738
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:30.300
of this stuff, but I will for the purposes of
739
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:31.300
this discussion.
740
00:42:31.860 --> 00:42:36.880
Okay, so the way that they have devised this idea
741
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:40.059
of what outer space and our so-called universe consists of
742
00:42:40.969 --> 00:42:44.199
is very much an occult thing. Very, very much an
743
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:50.179
occult thing. It's a Freemasonic slash occultist idea of how
744
00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:55.230
reality and the universe works. It's all nonsense in my view,
745
00:42:55.409 --> 00:42:57.250
in my very humble view, and it is a very
746
00:42:57.289 --> 00:43:00.829
humble view, but that is what I firmly believe. And
747
00:43:00.849 --> 00:43:06.110
the way that they dress up this idea of what
748
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:09.659
reality consists of and what the universe consists of is
749
00:43:09.699 --> 00:43:12.619
very much an occultist thing. So that's why it was
750
00:43:12.699 --> 00:43:14.440
all done from an occultic point of view.
751
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:18.219
I can see how it would be difficult for people
752
00:43:18.280 --> 00:43:22.719
to wrap their minds around the possibility that astronomy as
753
00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:29.360
a whole was basically created by these occultists based on
754
00:43:29.610 --> 00:43:35.730
much more ancient understandings of the reality that we're in, basically, right?
755
00:43:36.550 --> 00:43:38.329
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah.
756
00:43:39.250 --> 00:43:42.969
So yeah, that kind of explains that element of it,
757
00:43:43.010 --> 00:43:44.889
if you like. But as I say, I don't cover
758
00:43:44.949 --> 00:43:48.590
any of that in the book. It's just purely, it's
759
00:43:48.670 --> 00:43:55.440
written from a point of view of accepting the current paradigm,
760
00:43:55.480 --> 00:43:58.000
if you like, of outer space. It's written from that
761
00:43:58.059 --> 00:44:01.599
point of view. So it's easy to debunk even without
762
00:44:01.619 --> 00:44:02.360
that element of it.
763
00:44:03.630 --> 00:44:08.630
What do you think the purpose of rocketry in general was?
764
00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:13.239
If not to actually explore space or send people to
765
00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:15.280
the moon or send out probes, what do you think
766
00:44:15.579 --> 00:44:16.800
the purposes of these were?
767
00:44:17.389 --> 00:44:19.670
I think it was to make believe that the universe
768
00:44:19.769 --> 00:44:22.150
exists in the form that they want us to believe
769
00:44:22.170 --> 00:44:22.730
it exists.
770
00:44:23.190 --> 00:44:25.889
Because why would they do that, John? I hear you ask.
771
00:44:27.190 --> 00:44:30.309
They would do that because they don't want us to
772
00:44:30.369 --> 00:44:35.730
know that we are unique, powerful, spiritual beings. If they
773
00:44:35.829 --> 00:44:39.800
create a world or a universe where we're just one
774
00:44:40.219 --> 00:44:45.440
of billions and billions of civilization in this vast, never-ending universe,
775
00:44:46.099 --> 00:44:50.260
then it reduces us to a state of nothingness. And
776
00:44:50.789 --> 00:44:53.750
it's removing our spiritual power.
777
00:44:54.090 --> 00:45:01.969
If we knew what powerful spiritual beings we were, we'd
778
00:45:01.989 --> 00:45:04.389
finish them just like that. But because they keep us
779
00:45:04.429 --> 00:45:08.800
in this tiny little box of fear and fake reality,
780
00:45:09.260 --> 00:45:14.119
believing that we have no power at all, then that
781
00:45:14.340 --> 00:45:16.440
works for them. And that is exactly what they wanted
782
00:45:16.460 --> 00:45:18.320
to achieve by doing all this. And it might seem
783
00:45:18.380 --> 00:45:23.670
like a very fantastic, incredible, over-elaborate way of doing it,
784
00:45:23.869 --> 00:45:26.269
but this is how these people work. This is really
785
00:45:26.309 --> 00:45:27.250
how these people work.
786
00:45:28.309 --> 00:45:35.650
If not for space exploration, what Did NASA actually become,
787
00:45:35.849 --> 00:45:39.489
was it an intelligence front, money laundering, all of the above?
788
00:45:39.510 --> 00:45:41.320
All of the above.
789
00:45:41.340 --> 00:45:44.579
Yeah, I mean, I think it's a monetary black hole,
790
00:45:44.659 --> 00:45:47.559
isn't it? You know, I think they take, last time
791
00:45:47.579 --> 00:45:50.219
I looked, I think it was about $ 30 billion a year,
792
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:51.619
is it, in taxpayers' money.
793
00:45:53.019 --> 00:45:53.760
Where does that go?
794
00:45:53.780 --> 00:45:56.500
Your guess is as good as mine, but I suspect
795
00:45:56.539 --> 00:45:59.530
it goes into all kinds of black ops. and probably
796
00:45:59.570 --> 00:46:02.710
into the very deep pockets of the people who control
797
00:46:02.750 --> 00:46:07.130
it all. So yeah, it's a money pit and it's
798
00:46:07.489 --> 00:46:08.710
a money sponge.
799
00:46:08.889 --> 00:46:10.510
It's a money extraction machine.
800
00:46:11.389 --> 00:46:14.329
What was the bigger picture of what unfolded during the
801
00:46:14.369 --> 00:46:18.469
space race with Russia? What was really happening behind the
802
00:46:18.489 --> 00:46:19.110
scenes with that?
803
00:46:19.829 --> 00:46:23.360
Yeah, that's a very interesting question, actually. I'm glad you
804
00:46:23.380 --> 00:46:25.719
asked it. Right.
805
00:46:25.860 --> 00:46:30.260
There was no doubt that Kennedy and Khrushchev absolutely collaborated.
806
00:46:30.619 --> 00:46:33.400
What happened in the very early 1960s, this is before
807
00:46:33.420 --> 00:46:36.719
the first man in space in 1961, was that Russia's
808
00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:40.920
grain harvest failed for, I can't remember how many years
809
00:46:40.940 --> 00:46:44.480
it was, but it was quite a few years in
810
00:46:44.539 --> 00:46:50.500
succession and big parts of Russia were starving. So they
811
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:56.820
came up with this idea that America would ship Millions
812
00:46:56.860 --> 00:47:02.519
of tons of grain to Russia in return for collusion.
813
00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:05.039
And part of that collusion was that Russia would be
814
00:47:05.059 --> 00:47:08.320
allowed to claim the first man in space and America
815
00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:10.320
would be allowed to claim the first man on the moon.
816
00:47:10.980 --> 00:47:15.000
I mean, that's it in a very small nutshell. Yeah, yeah.
817
00:47:15.059 --> 00:47:18.599
But yeah, absolutely. You know, the first man in space
818
00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:22.880
was faked. There's even US newspaper headlines, which some of
819
00:47:22.900 --> 00:47:24.969
them are in the book. I've actually taken facsimile of
820
00:47:24.989 --> 00:47:27.610
them and put them in the book. saying that the
821
00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:32.519
first man in space was a hoax. So yeah, there's
822
00:47:32.579 --> 00:47:35.440
lots and lots of proof that Gagarin, Yuri Gagarin, who
823
00:47:35.460 --> 00:47:38.860
was allegedly the first man in space, it never happened.
824
00:47:39.659 --> 00:47:42.519
And he was killed very shortly afterwards because he was
825
00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:44.679
making so many mistakes when he was being interviewed by
826
00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:46.800
the press, they decided to get rid of him.
827
00:47:46.860 --> 00:47:48.780
So they killed him.
828
00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:51.860
So I imagine there was somewhat of a double cross
829
00:47:51.940 --> 00:47:57.199
with Russia with the moon race landing, right? Yeah.
830
00:47:57.219 --> 00:47:57.360
Yeah.
831
00:47:58.440 --> 00:47:58.639
Yeah.
832
00:47:59.380 --> 00:48:02.300
Um, well it was agreed that the Americans could be
833
00:48:02.340 --> 00:48:04.860
first on them. That's why the Russian, that's why the,
834
00:48:05.300 --> 00:48:09.119
that's why the Russians never questioned it. And the American
835
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:13.400
government never questioned your Gagarin space flight. The American press
836
00:48:13.460 --> 00:48:16.659
did massively. And I think the public opinion in the
837
00:48:16.699 --> 00:48:21.219
States at that time, 65 years ago also questioned it
838
00:48:21.260 --> 00:48:24.219
massively from when I can gather reading between the lines
839
00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:28.510
and in various publications. but certainly the American government never
840
00:48:28.550 --> 00:48:31.800
questioned it. And the Russian government likewise never questioned the
841
00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:35.940
American moon landings. There was definitely collusion going on there.
842
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:41.460
What were some of the most important aspects of the
843
00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:45.239
falsification of the moon landing that you included in the book?
844
00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:46.989
Oh gosh.
845
00:48:48.530 --> 00:48:49.550
As far as how they did it.
846
00:48:51.949 --> 00:48:52.769
Well, how they did it.
847
00:48:52.849 --> 00:48:58.079
I mean, it was, it was, Basically, they hired the
848
00:48:58.119 --> 00:49:00.300
most famous filmmaker in the world at that time.
849
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:02.880
It was Kubrick? That's the one, Stanley Kubrick.
850
00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:10.369
Yeah, and he had developed, he began Free Rain to
851
00:49:11.670 --> 00:49:15.250
construct a film called 2001 Space Odyssey, the year before
852
00:49:15.269 --> 00:49:19.949
the moon landings. And he developed a very successful technique
853
00:49:20.590 --> 00:49:24.510
called front screen projection. And again, there's lots of pictures
854
00:49:24.550 --> 00:49:26.829
in the book that show how it was done. And
855
00:49:26.869 --> 00:49:30.199
he did exactly the same for the moon landings, the
856
00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:32.719
photos that were allegedly.
857
00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:32.969
Taken on the moon.
858
00:49:33.590 --> 00:49:38.300
Very, very clever guy, very meticulous guy. It was a
859
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:41.340
nightmare to work with, apparently, because he was so particular,
860
00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:44.440
so meticulous in everything he did. But yeah, all the
861
00:49:44.539 --> 00:49:50.570
photography was Kubrick's work. So that's how they did it.
862
00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:58.079
They actually stayed, you know, they created sets to look
863
00:49:58.119 --> 00:50:02.219
like the lunar surface. But I mean, there's so many anomalies.
864
00:50:02.300 --> 00:50:05.219
It's just, you know, I could sit here till midnight and,
865
00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:07.179
you know, and reel.
866
00:50:07.010 --> 00:50:09.780
Them all off. But there's so many anomalies that it
867
00:50:09.820 --> 00:50:11.679
just makes nonsense of it all.
868
00:50:13.059 --> 00:50:18.500
Do you think that there are powerful groups that are
869
00:50:18.559 --> 00:50:25.429
not part of this parasitic power structure that attempt to intervene?
870
00:50:25.989 --> 00:50:29.730
In my perspective, everything that came out with the QAnon phenomena,
871
00:50:30.050 --> 00:50:33.369
4chan was all a psychological operation to give false hope.
872
00:50:34.289 --> 00:50:37.489
Do you think there are splinter groups that may have
873
00:50:37.530 --> 00:50:39.110
humanity's best interest in mind?
874
00:50:40.130 --> 00:50:44.030
That's a very good question, Christopher. It's very possible. It
875
00:50:44.110 --> 00:50:47.639
is very possible. I wouldn't deny that. But I do
876
00:50:47.739 --> 00:50:51.900
think that a lot of, you know, you mentioned QAnon,
877
00:50:52.019 --> 00:50:53.340
a great example.
878
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:58.239
I mean, absolutely. You know, come on. It's just, you know,
879
00:50:58.380 --> 00:51:02.989
it's just a, I think the QAnon phenomena And it
880
00:51:03.010 --> 00:51:04.809
was a phenomenon. It's probably still is.
881
00:51:04.829 --> 00:51:08.429
I'm not sure, but, um, I think that was actually
882
00:51:09.230 --> 00:51:12.369
done to make people go, Oh, great.
883
00:51:12.389 --> 00:51:13.969
It's all been taken care of. We don't have to
884
00:51:14.010 --> 00:51:15.739
do anything. Oh, it's all going to be sorted.
885
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:19.019
Donald Trump's coming to our rescue on his white charger
886
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:21.980
and QAnon, you know, good old QAnon.
887
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:22.619
That's it.
888
00:51:22.900 --> 00:51:24.860
Oh, so we can just forget everything, get on with
889
00:51:24.900 --> 00:51:27.820
our lives and it'll all be taken care of. So, yeah,
890
00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:32.000
I think that was a definite psyop. Um, probably still is.
891
00:51:32.039 --> 00:51:34.199
I'm not quite sure what the current state of play
892
00:51:34.219 --> 00:51:36.739
with that is. But as to whether there are any
893
00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:40.010
others that are actively working, I wouldn't be surprised if
894
00:51:40.050 --> 00:51:43.670
there are some small splinter groups that do have humanity's
895
00:51:43.710 --> 00:51:48.150
best interests at heart. But it's a very, very uphill task.
896
00:51:48.750 --> 00:51:52.429
If there are, then they would need to be very,
897
00:51:52.510 --> 00:51:55.610
very careful how they approach it, how they do it.
898
00:51:55.650 --> 00:51:59.710
Because if they were found out or if ever you
899
00:51:59.730 --> 00:52:02.650
know these people got wind of the fact that there's
900
00:52:03.219 --> 00:52:06.980
a group actively working against their best interests then they
901
00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:11.420
wouldn't last two minutes yeah so yeah it's possible that
902
00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:13.699
there are but i don't think we could ever find
903
00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:16.570
out about them because if we if we find out
904
00:52:16.619 --> 00:52:19.449
about them then you know the people who are perpetrating
905
00:52:19.489 --> 00:52:21.650
all this all this stuff know about them as well
906
00:52:22.289 --> 00:52:25.489
so it's a very very dangerous position to put yourself into.
907
00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:31.900
Given the false information that we've been given about our
908
00:52:31.960 --> 00:52:37.110
cosmos and astronomy in general, what are your thoughts about
909
00:52:37.289 --> 00:52:39.789
UFO disclosure and what they're trying to tell us about
910
00:52:39.929 --> 00:52:40.969
extraterrestrial life?
911
00:52:42.230 --> 00:52:44.469
Yeah, well, again, I just think it's part of the psyop.
912
00:52:44.530 --> 00:52:48.889
I don't believe in aliens. I don't believe in outer space.
913
00:52:49.010 --> 00:52:49.809
I don't believe.
914
00:52:50.289 --> 00:52:53.650
I think it's just another way of saying to us, oh, yeah, look,
915
00:52:53.730 --> 00:52:56.829
outer space is real, okay, in a very, kind of
916
00:52:57.150 --> 00:53:00.110
overt way. Outer space is real. Yeah, we're just one
917
00:53:00.130 --> 00:53:02.030
of billions of these civilizations.
918
00:53:02.050 --> 00:53:02.329
Yeah.
919
00:53:02.849 --> 00:53:07.340
You know, there'll be civilizations out there with far superior
920
00:53:07.380 --> 00:53:09.639
technology to us, and they might want to come and
921
00:53:09.659 --> 00:53:12.480
take over the earth. And this is what all this sci-fi,
922
00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:16.039
the sci-fi films, the corny sci-fi films of the 50s
923
00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:18.599
and 60s was all about, you know, and things like
924
00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:22.539
Star Trek as well, of course, just to perpetuate this myth.
925
00:53:23.070 --> 00:53:27.750
other civilizations hostile civilizations out there wanting to come and
926
00:53:27.789 --> 00:53:29.690
take away our beautiful planet.
927
00:53:30.110 --> 00:53:33.840
Could it also be a setup for the next unseen
928
00:53:33.980 --> 00:53:37.360
enemy that daddy government and our military has to protect
929
00:53:37.420 --> 00:53:38.019
us from.
930
00:53:37.820 --> 00:53:41.960
Yeah yeah i mean there's something going on called project
931
00:53:41.980 --> 00:53:44.989
blue beam yeah which you may have heard of and
932
00:53:45.139 --> 00:53:49.170
that is exactly that it's a fake alien invasion um
933
00:53:49.369 --> 00:53:52.619
which Whether they'll ever pull that off, I don't know.
934
00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:55.199
I have my doubts, but I wouldn't put it past them.
935
00:53:56.239 --> 00:53:59.340
For those who are not aware, definitely look up Project Bluebeam.
936
00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:05.239
It's a very, very sophisticated plan to actually create a
937
00:54:05.340 --> 00:54:10.480
fake alien invasion, again, to put us in fear and
938
00:54:10.619 --> 00:54:13.699
to perpetuate this myth about outer space.
939
00:54:15.469 --> 00:54:20.070
Other than a massive asteroid or comet impact, do you
940
00:54:20.110 --> 00:54:23.769
think that it would ever be possible for us to
941
00:54:23.829 --> 00:54:29.110
be completely free of this current rulership that has been
942
00:54:29.170 --> 00:54:30.469
in control for centuries?
943
00:54:32.190 --> 00:54:32.670
Yeah, I do.
944
00:54:33.150 --> 00:54:36.050
I'm a very optimistic person. I get asked this question
945
00:54:36.090 --> 00:54:40.929
a lot, Christopher. And, you know, I believe that it's
946
00:54:40.949 --> 00:54:44.590
an information war, first of all. I think it's not
947
00:54:44.610 --> 00:54:48.079
a physical war. We couldn't possibly hope to fight these
948
00:54:48.139 --> 00:54:50.519
people in any way, shape or form. They have all
949
00:54:50.539 --> 00:54:55.909
the money, all the power, all the infrastructure, all the technology,
950
00:54:55.949 --> 00:54:59.789
you name it. So there's no way on earth that
951
00:54:59.929 --> 00:55:03.469
could ever be a physical war. It is an information war.
952
00:55:03.889 --> 00:55:06.400
And I believe that what you do and what I
953
00:55:06.460 --> 00:55:10.840
do and what other people out there are doing at
954
00:55:10.900 --> 00:55:12.280
spreading the information.
955
00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:14.619
This is our most powerful weapon. This is our most
956
00:55:14.840 --> 00:55:18.010
powerful tool. The more people we tell, the more people
957
00:55:18.030 --> 00:55:20.309
that become aware of what's really going on in the world,
958
00:55:20.909 --> 00:55:23.449
eventually there will come a tipping point. It might not
959
00:55:23.469 --> 00:55:25.949
be in my lifetime, but there will come a tipping point.
960
00:55:25.989 --> 00:55:29.409
And when that happens, these people, these perpetrators, will have
961
00:55:29.530 --> 00:55:33.960
nowhere to run. And that will be the end of that. So, yeah,
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I've got a very, very optimistic view of it. because
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I'm just a very, very optimistic person anyway in general life.
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But yeah, I do believe that good will prevail eventually.
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I really do.
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Well, there's some belief that there is a massive loss
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of power over the past few years because of people's
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awareness and the amount of people that are checking out
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from some of these anti-human systems. There's a lot of
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positive things happening. Would you agree that they may be
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losing power in some areas, especially like Hollywood, entertainment industry,
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the things that are used for propaganda mainly.
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Yeah, I would.
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I think that there's no doubt that we, you know,
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the truth movement, for want of a better word, we're
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making inroads into their superiority. There's no doubt about it.
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There's still a long way to go, don't get me wrong.
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But yeah, there are little signs that that the cracks
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are beginning to appear without a doubt. And this is
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making them more scared. It's making them step up the agenda.
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And the more they step up the agenda, the more
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it wakes people up. So they're caught in a kind
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of a catch-22 situation, which is great for us, but
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it's still going to be a very, very slow process.
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So I wouldn't kind of, you know, get overexcited about it,
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although it's a positive step, I do believe.
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Yeah, so... Well, right on. This was a fantastic discussion, John.
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We'll definitely have to do this again. There's tons more
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that we can get to. Before I let you go,
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remind the audience how they can pick up your books
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and find more about you.
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Yeah, sure. I've got a website, falsificationofhistory.co.uk. Anybody that's in
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the UK only can order signed copies of any of
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my books from there. Sorry, I can't send abroad. It's
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just become too ridiculously expensive. And two, unreliable. The International
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Postal Service is very, very unreliable. So it was costing
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me lots of money to do that. So unfortunately, I
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can't do that anymore. But you can buy my books
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off Amazon. If you go to amazon.com.ca.co.uk, you will find
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my books on there. Just type my name into the
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search bar, John Hamer. There is another author on there
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called John Hamer, but obviously he doesn't write truth books.
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So that isn't me. But all my books are there
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on my author page. Yeah, you can actually follow me
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on X Twitter as well. I don't post that many things,
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but I do post the occasional stuff. And my handle
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is at John Hamer author.
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So, yeah, please follow me on there. And yeah, all good.
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Yeah, thank you so much, John. Like I said, can't
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wait to do it again. And until next time, everyone,
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