FKN Classics Double! Joe Rupe - Astral Realms | Ben Joseph Stewart - Psychedelic Transhumanism

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Enjoy these back to back classic Forbidden Knowledge News episodes. Today,
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I want to welcome back to the show, Joe Roup.
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He is host of the late night show Lighting the Void.
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It was a series of out of body experiences and
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an esoteric curiosity that led him to study and practice
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the Western mystery to traditions. He has now heard frequently
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on his show and as a guest on other shows,
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discussing the occult consciousness, sacred sexuality, and astral travel. He
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continues to move his mission to empower people to become
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explorers of consciousness.
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Joe, welcome back. How you doing.
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I'm doing great, brother, Thanks for having me back.
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It's great to talk with you again.
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Matt.
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Like I said last time, Lighting the Void has been
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one of my favorite talk shows since before I started
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Forbidden Knowledge News, and you're one of those og br
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brooadcasters in the community. Still to this day, I'm an
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avid listener. So I thank you for all the work
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you're doing there. Now you're back here and we're going
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to go deep into some hidden nature of reality and.
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How we're basically creators of our own reality.
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I want to get into power, manifestation, positive thinking, and
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some of the other stuff you've been working on.
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But it's been a little while.
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What's been going on in Joe's world?
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Well, I ended up it's been a long time since
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a talker. So I ended up moving to New York
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and then Arizona and the Sedona area. So I've been
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on this kind of elemental excursion and now I'm here
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down by the water and Daytona Beach. So, but the
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struggle is real. The struggle continues in the spiritual world.
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You know how it goes, brother, So I been really
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working on trying to put this idea that the old
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school magic, the good white magic, so to speak, and
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the actual travelers like you know, Monroe and Buelmen and
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all these people. No, I kept I kept noticing that
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they were running into the same things, and that took
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me on a path of like seeing the I guess
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the same I don't know, the same. They have the
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same stuff going on, right, So they see the same things,
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they run into the same things. It's all like the same.
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So and I kept getting questions from people, well, how
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do I do this? Well, how do I do that?
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How do I do this? And I uh, I thought, man,
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I gotta fit I gotta help these. I gotta help
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people because people kept asking me about it. So I
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made these audio guided meditations and they kind of teach
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you about how to build your astral body through the
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old school ceremonial methods. But it's all like in the
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mind too, right, So that's what I've been up doing,
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like it said Joe Roop dot com. And you can
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go check those out, and I'm gonna keep doing those right.
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So there's a whole complicated story behind all this stuff.
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So well let's hear it, man. I'm all about hearing
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a long complicated stories for sure.
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Yeah, what's behind it?
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Are you gonna edit this video?
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Oh well if needed?
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Yeah, because I got it, like I got this is
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an emergency call.
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we got you. We're good.
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I just I just have to make sure everybody's okay, yeah, yeah,
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you know how that is. Hey, I'm in the middle
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of the interviews. He okay, okay, Well I'm on, okay, Well,
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I'm on with Chris. How can I call you when
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I get out off here. I'm in the middle of
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an interview with Chris from Forbidden Knowledge News. I thought
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he was hurt or something. Oh all right, all right, but.
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Everything good.
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Yeah, well you never I'm so sorry. Man, I thought
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it was an emergency.
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Oh man, all good, I get it. I understand.
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So where was I.
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We were getting into the massive story behind all of
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this and what led you to do these meditations and
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things like that.
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Yeah. So what I tried to do is when I
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laid down, I thought, man, I'm not able to get
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out of body anymore the way I used to. Right,
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it's this is not happening like the way it used to. Now,
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this was a while back, okay, because I talked to
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you about this before. So I got really back into
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like doing my daily rituals. To be honest with you, dude,
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being a ceremonial magicians, it's kind of boring because you
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do the same I mean it is, dude. You do
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the same stuff. You do Accomplistic Cross every day, you
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do your meditations every day, you do the Pentagram rituals,
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every day, you do your protection. It's like church every day,
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is what it's like. So I going to church every day,
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and so people see this fantastic, like colorful thing, they
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think it's awesome, And it is awesome because you're changing yourself.
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And so this is what it does, right. The alchemical
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process isn't about manifesting things outside of you to come
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into you. It's about alchemically changing your frequency so that
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those things come to you. Right. So the whole idea
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of ceremonial magic in alchemy is the change of the self. Right.
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So when we change ourselves, everything around us changes because
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we're the many creator gods of the universe, where the
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children of whatever created this thing. So when I started
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doing that, I was like, oh, I started getting back
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to the vibratory state and everything, and I'm thinking, okay,
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so some people, now this is my theory and it's working.
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So some people are naturally good at getting out of body,
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they just are, you know. And then others need to
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build their astral body, right, And this is what ceremonial magic,
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especially the beginning stages, which is perfectly safe, especially the
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Golden Dawn stuff. It's angel magic, I mean it's safe, right.
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This stuff builds your astral body, It centers your energy,
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it balances you out build your astral body. And yeah,
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you might have a few paranormal experiences here and there,
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but you know who cares, right like, you just let
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it go.
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So now when you say you might have a few
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paranormal experiences. Let's kind of break this down a little
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bit for those that aren't familiar. What would you say
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is the type of ceremonial magic that you're practicing every
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day and what kind of the basics is involved with
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it and how can it manifest you know, paranormal activity.
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Well, so first off, we have to learn how to relax, right,
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most of us aren't relaxed so that we can focus.
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And then we do rhythmic breathing so our energy is
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as centered as possible. And then it's really no different
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than doing a eucharust or something like that that you
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know see in church, except we just vibrate certain God
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names or their names of God and you don't have
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to do you know, I have in the meditations. I
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have different versions. I have Latin, Shamanic, Egyptian, Christian, whatever, right,
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So it doesn't matter what spiritual background you are. But
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the point is is it's just like doing moving meditation.
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The idea is to get in line and in tune
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with the golden ratio of creation. So when we do
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our rituals right, and we make a sphere around us
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and we practice and do things in that sphere, whether
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physically or astralely in our mind, we're getting in tune
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with the law of that golden spiral, that circumambulation of creation,
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as well as you know, adoring the four elements that
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make us up and protecting ourselves with the four archangels
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or the four carabs or whatever you want to call it. Right,
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Even the Christians did it with certain saints, all right,
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So it doesn't it's really taking the part of you
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that has faith right and vibrating it out to the
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universe and getting in line with that circumambulate and creative
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force so that you can get in tune with your
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authentic self and that frequency. It's just the It's like
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Western yoga, right, So that's basically what it is.
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And this based on my experiences with similar things that
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you're talking about. I don't actively practice ceremonial magic, but
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I've had some profound experiences based on things like manifestation,
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positive thinking and applying things to certain sigils at times
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and projecting that out. And I've seen the power of it.
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I've seen it work. I've seen it bring back profound
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great things into my life. As long as I was
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doing it in a certain way with good intent, And
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I think that's probably a very important part right too,
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as your intent behind what you're doing.
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Yeah, I mean, if you come into it with doubt,
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it's gonna work. It's all. It's gonna work regardless. But
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depending on like how much positive energy you put into
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it is how much it's gonna work. A lot of
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people that get into this stuff. The way I've gotten
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into it, and I tell the story all the time,
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is I didn't grow up programmed positively. You know. I
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grew up programmed thinking negatively and thinking all kinds of
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bad stuff was gonna happen, and lack of mindset. So
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you know, magic was a way of bringing me back
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to like getting away from all that. But some, like
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I said, man, some people are just better at it
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because they already they're already centered, they're already authentic, they
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don't have a lot of insecurities, they have the best
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outlooks on life. Those kind of people could probably just
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do meditation and focus on something and make it happen.
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What you can do with sigil magic, what I'm trying
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to do specifically, is not only allow people to be
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better at that, but also allow people to feel and
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experience and move into their etheric or astral bodies too,
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you know, because once you have that experience, man like,
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then you know, right, there's no doubt.
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Well, I know we talked about this a bit on
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your the last time you were here, but maybe you
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could tell us some of the most profound astral experiences
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you've had, maybe if you had some since we spoke.
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And how far have you have you gotten out there?
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Well, as far as far, I haven't gotten very far.
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But I like to stay local. For some reason. I
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think it's cool to be a ghost, right, Like I
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think it's cool to see the real world, right because
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there's two places. There's there's actually, and they talk about
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this in a Golden Dawn too, There's two places in
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the actual realm. There's the mundane local area, and Robert
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Monroe called that locale one the magicians, they just called
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it the mundane astral, which is where we are here.
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And then there is the illusory place. So we think
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this place is the heavens and all this cool stuff.
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But the truth is is this realm is full of
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all of our eggregres, illusions, beliefs, thoughts, everything. So imagine
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everybody's mind that's ever existed and had emotions or thoughts
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about everything exists in this one place. Okay, so it's
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pretty crazy, right, that's a pretty crazy place to go.
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So you're gonna you're gonna see all kinds of crazy stuff.
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So you'd actually see like a manifestation of someone's negative
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energy or thoughts into some kind of entity, right.
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Yeah, or slender Man or what they call tulpas or
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you know, uh, elementals of all kinds good and bad.
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You know. Then there's then the place is full of
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like this crazy sexual energy too. That's fair.
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And this is this is these are all places that
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are beyond the what they'd call the mundane.
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Yeah, oh yeah yeah. So as soon as you start
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leaving the mundane, you're gonna there's these like barriers of
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all this stuff. Right. And so the spiritual work back
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then was to get into your solar body or diamond
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body or macaba, whatever you want to call it. But
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in order to do that we have to pass the
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lunar and the astral realms of illusion. Okay, so there's
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like the real universe and our solar bodies in those heavens.
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Then there's this massive astral universe full of illusions, and
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then there's us down here in Malcouth in the physical
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dense world. You see. So when we like when we
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actually project, we can stay here in the physical dense
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world and these bodies that look just like ours fly
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around do whatever, which I think is pretty awesome, you know,
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I think it's awesome, and then we can go forward.
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But this is where magic is cool, right, because the
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magicians train themselves to move through these things by tracing
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certain symbols and testing spirits. So anything that they would
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encounter they could test. They could test every spirit, vision,
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tulpa in whatever. You don't see that with like Monroe
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and the actual travelers, even though they go all kinds
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of places. So as far as where I've went, I
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kind of take this slower man, because I see the
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bigger picture, you know, Like there's people that just go, oh, man,
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I had this experience, I saw this or whatever, and
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it's like to me, you know, that place is the
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illusory place. So we need to be prepared. And and
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you know a lot of people say it's safe to
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actual traveler get out of body. Well, sure it's safe
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to remote view and have visions and stuff, But when
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you get into the vibratory state and you actually peel
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yourself out of body. It's crazy, right, So it's so crazy,
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and the people that don't come back, they don't get
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to tell the stories about not coming back. The only
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people that come back are the people telling us it's safe.
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So the question is, is, like, how many people have
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passed away in their sleep? A lot? Right? A lot?
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If you look at the numbers, they're a lot. And
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so we have to prepare ourselves and that's where the
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magic comes in. It prepares us to be able to
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whatever we've whatever we encounter in this place, we can handle,
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you know.
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So you're saying that there's possibilities that people who have
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practiced this they just enter an astral state and then
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die and never come back.
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Right, Yeah, absolutely, And I'm not saying that it's kind
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of like getting shark bit. It happens. I know it happens.
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There's a podcast called I think it's called like Stuff
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He Should Know About or something like that, And I
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heard about this guy he told his friends, and I'm
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sure you can look this up, but he told his
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friends he was going to go actual travel. And he
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went into his room and he said, don't bother me.
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I'm gonna go in here and meditate and I'm gonna
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do this. Well, it was a couple of days and
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his buddies said, we got to go check on him.
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They went in there to check on him, and he
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was in some weird kind of like holding his hands
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a certain way in this enlightened state. But he was dead.
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He was gone, all right, So we we don't get
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to hear that guy. So the theory is is he
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left his body but couldn't find his way back, and
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we don't get to hear that guy tell his story
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about why it's not safe right right.
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So now it makes me think of guests like that
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I've had, like doctor Bruce Goldberg. I'm sure you've had
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him as well. I believe he says that there's really
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no danger in this, but I always kind of thought
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the opposite, that there could be that there would be
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a way that you couldn't find, you know, a way
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back to your physical body. I've never done any type
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of astral travel. I've only maybe barely entered the vibratory state,
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even though I've had other strange paranormal experiences in contact
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experience is nothing that I would call astral travel. So
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I don't know what you know the the kind of
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feeling is and how dangerous it is once you get
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out there. But say, from your experience, what is it
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like once you actually exit your body? Is there like
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this kind of fear that you know, you know that
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there's a chance you won't come back.
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No, because the feeling of the feeling of being Oh,
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it's like it's like you know when you're dreaming, right
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and you want to wake up and it's hard and
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you're trying to wake up. I don't know if you've
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ever been in that state. Oh, I don't want to
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wake up? Okay, Well, this is the opposite. This is
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this is so vivid that you can't tell the difference
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between your real life and the astral and the astral world.
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So if you do the peeling where you peel yourself
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out of body, the first thing's going to happen is
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if you're afraid of sleep paralysis, you're gonna have a
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problem because we want to we want our bodies to
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get paralyzed. And once our bodies get paralyzed and we're
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still awake, then our bodies will start humming or vibrating,
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depending on the person. Sometimes it crackles. It just depends
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on the person. And we have to keep doing the
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breathing that we teach in magic, right, we have to
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keep doing the rhythmic breathing and allow that to settle,
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and once that sells you kind of just you have
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to learn how to slowly like peel yourself out with inertia. Right.
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And it's like it's like surfing or riding a bike
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or something. You there's a feeling that you know, you're
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in that frequency. You know, yeah, there you go ahead, Well,
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when you pull yourself out, you're not gonna feel. It's
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you're not gonna know the difference between real life and
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the local astral. It's not gonna you're not gonna know
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right until you see yourself sleeping, you know, or something crazy.
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Then you're then you know, And.
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That's that thing you said.
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The key word is feeling. You have to kind of
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shut off your brain completely. I know, just for my
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meditative state that I that I use and that I've
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had contact experiences through I have, there's no way that
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I can rely on my normal mental state and I
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have to kind of shut that off and just go
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off of feeling. And mostly you know, feelings that start
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within our body, right.
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Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, because I did it, dude. When
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I tried this, I did this a million times. It
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felt like and I never It's like I never got
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out of body because I was so I don't know,
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it's so eager to get it done. But the more
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we relax, the more we don't give into what Terrence
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mckinna calls like mesmeration and awe, and the more we
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just stay in that zone of take it or leave it,
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we're just relaxed. The more we stay in that zone,
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the more we become the observer instead of trying to
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make things happen. The more it happens. It's really crazy.
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And so when you have a local out of body experience,
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a lot of the people that say, well, yeah, i've
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astro traveled, well, a lot of times they're talking about
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like lucid dreams or remote viewing or something like that.
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They're not talking about the local out of body experience.
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When you have that, you're going to know the difference. Right, So, yeah,
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that's what happens. It's you simply just relax and you
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can use hemisync or you can use I have some
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guided meditations too, but you have to build up that
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ability to get into that state, you know.
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Yeah, going back to what I was saying about previous
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guests like doctor Bruce Goldberg, I think he was talking
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about the very same thing you were mentioning, these different
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realms and dimensions. I think he called it the fifth dimension,
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that you know, up to five dimensions, that you could
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travel through these astral realms until you get to some
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kind of divine realm. Is this your understanding of it
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as well?
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Yeah, that's yeah, that's my understanding of it as well too.
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But it's illusory too. There's illusory realms in there. Right
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in a world where imagine going to imagine going to
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a world where everyone's spiritual faiths exists, so all things good,
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bad thoughts, emotions, faiths, every idea that was a blueprint
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before it became a manifestation exists in this world, right.
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The real what we're trying to do is get past
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that world to our solar bodies so that we can
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travel the stars and never die a second death. And
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the second death and scripture simply means we lose our consciousness.
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We come back, you know, we recycle. We might have
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a few days ja vus or past life memories, but
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we don't know who we are, right. We have to
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pass this astral barrier and to get into our you know,
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I guess if you want to think about it, the
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story of Christ, because that's what it represents, or Horus
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or all that. We have to get into that state
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of consciousness so that we never that's the idea, to
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never forget who we are and to become a little
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bit more human than we are. This is what we're
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here to do, is grow our solar bodies out of
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the soil of our body. This is the biggest secret
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of alchemy. You know, a lot of people think it's
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Youngian or spiritual or laboratorial, but there's a really big
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hermetic secret about our energetic bodies to actually physically change
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into something bigger than what we are, you know, right
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on which I don't know if we can do it
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in one lifetime. I don't know.
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Now, when we're.
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Talking about the mundane realm, what are the some of
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the things that can be accomplished or what do you
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actually do whenever you're experiencing this.
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Well, the biggest things that you're going to encounter first,
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it's going to be awesome. You can. You realize that
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you are the center of creation, so if you have
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an emotion about anything, it'll instantly manifest, right. And Monroe
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would run into these people too, where they would just
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like create all kinds of the look what I'm creating,
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and you'd get kind of stuck here. The idea, though,
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is to do the magic that we've learned to create
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our astral bodies so that we can travel through these
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higher realms as we're in the place. Right, So you're
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going to encounter as you progress. And this is the theory, right,
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because I'm still working out, you know, my elemental body
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trying to get through there, don't I really don't believe
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these people that are just shooting up to all these
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crazy higher realms. I'm not saying they're not having these experiences,
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but I still believe they're illusory astral experiences, right. So
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the real magic happens in the astral realm. So all
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this stuff that you see from Freemasonry and the Golden
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Dawn and all these people in their temples or whatever,
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it's really an exoteric practicing place because once you get
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into the astral realm, that's where you do the real magic.
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So when you get in the actual realms, say if
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you trace a Hebrew letter or an Egyptian symbol, or
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let's say you're in national realm and you trace an
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astrological symbol because you're trying to test an end to it,
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you can actually see it right when we trace it here, say,
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when we do our rituals and we visualize the pentagrams
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or the cross or whatever we're doing, it exists in
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the astral realm. In order for us to actually see it,
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we have to be in the astral realm. And then
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the more you get better at this stuff, then you
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can actually start seeing things kind of piercing through the veil,
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you know. And Blovatski talked about this and stuff too,
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because it's all around us. So when what they say
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is the real work is to be done in the
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astral realm, right, this is where we make our biggest
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leaps of spiritual elevation. You know. It's not down here
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praying and meditating our bodies, even though that's part of it.
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When we separate and get in that realm, that's where
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we make leaps and bounds. You know, we face our fears,
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we face all kinds of things. We face temptations, and
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these could come in the forms of like symbols or
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experiences or even hauntings, you know, things like that.
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So now when you were talking about that you could
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encounter ergreg and people's thought forms. How would these interactions be.
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Is this like they would interact with you like they
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were their own separate consciousness. Is there any danger to
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interacting with this?
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Yeah, I mean I don't know about the danger because
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like when you get to that point, you can easily
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go back to your body. You can just simply think,
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go back to my body, and I'll go back to
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my body, right, But I always, I always it's it's
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kind of like a fight, right, say you get into
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a fight with a little you're bigger and then little
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bitty dude or whatever. You never underestimate anything, So I
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don't like to focus on the fact that there it
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might be dangerous, but I always give it the you know,
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benefit that it could be, right, So it's it's important
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to protect ourselves. I haven't found. The craziest experience I
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had I told you about a long time ago, is
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when I was trying to get out of body one
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time and these blobby looking figures just shove me back
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in my body, right. And I was doing some really
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heavy magic work then, and as I was coming out
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of my body, I told whatever was trying to hold
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me back, I said, I demand you to release me
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by light and life, which my voice sounded like James
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Earl Jones when I said it, and I don't know
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where it came from, dude, it was like weird, right,
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And as soon as I said that, these things just
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you know, shoved me back in my body. So I
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don't I think the more you give into the fear,
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the more dangerous it can be. Right, So the fear
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is the barrier, if that makes any sense.
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Right now, since you started working with magic and things
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like astral travel, how has your view on the nature
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of the true nature of our reality changed? And what
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this is that we're experiencing and why we're here? And
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is this some type of simulation for our spiritual growth?
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You know, what do you think the whole purpose of
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our manifestation here is?
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I couldn't tell you, but I have a theory that
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the whole purpose of our manifestation is for whatever created us,
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whatever it is, to experience itself experientially, not conceptually. So Uh,
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if you're let's say, if you're everything, if you're alpha
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Omega and you're all things, and everything's gonna be pretty boring.
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Imagine that there's nothing to relate to. You don't know love,
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you don't know hate, you don't know fats any, you
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don't know nothing. There's no relation. Right, all you know
477
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is your everything. That's a good theory, right, that it
478
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broke itself down into this Anni amnesia form and made
479
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it and we're all just small parts of it. Right,
480
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if you look at things practically and what you know,
481
00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:04.319
even esoterically, that would make a lot of sense. So
482
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our idea is to grow back to that place. And
483
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as we grow back to that place, we start realizing
484
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the I guess you could say, the beauty of the
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sacrifice of it all. So in Revelations they talk about
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holy as the lamb and only the lion of the
487
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tribe of Judah and all this stuff, and the land
488
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will flatten out and every eye is going to see God,
489
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and they really talk about how holy the sacrifice is.
490
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But it's you know, we have this idea that the
491
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story is about Jesus or Horus or whatever the story
492
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is about you. The story is about God sacrificing himself
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into you so that it can grow back and realize
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its own magnificence experientially, not conceptually. So it's kind of
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like when Rocky is working in the dawn meat plant
496
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or whatever, but he gets a break here and a
497
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break there, and experientially he starts realizing himself that he's
498
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a champion, that he's divine, you know. So you have
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to be cast down kind of, to be the farthest
500
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away from this and work your way back up. And
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00:28:20.279 --> 00:28:22.359
most people are going to say, except the Buddhist, right,
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most people are going to say, well, that's terrible and
503
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that's stupid, like why do that? Why I suffer? And
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why all this other stuff. But I promise you, when
505
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we get to that point, whether it's lifetime or whatever,
506
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I really think we're going to be glad that we
507
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did it. It's going to be divine the experience itself,
508
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you know. I think that's what's happening. And for what
509
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reason I can only theorize, like I hope it's not
510
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just because whatever this thing was was bored, you know,
511
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But I think there's something to be said about the
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law of everything. This is why I'm into hermetics, right,
513
00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:08.119
you know, how do you You wouldn't send a I
514
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guess is what I'm trying to say is like you
515
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wouldn't send a deviant to watch over a bunch of
516
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kids at a preschool. So maybe we're being trained to
517
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watch over, you know, certain things that are bigger than
518
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what's on this planet. And until we conceptualize those things,
519
00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:26.880
those things we're not going to leave in their bigger
520
00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:30.160
spiritual principles. So anytime you learn a bigger spiritual principle,
521
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:36.759
you're you're more wise about something. It's hard to explain.
522
00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:39.279
It's like you could govern a group of people, whether
523
00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:42.119
there's crazy people, bad good or whatever, like you see
524
00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:44.319
the whole thing, you govern it, you know what to do.
525
00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:48.759
You've had the experience. Right now, we're just humans taking
526
00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:52.319
care of animals in our children, you see. So I
527
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:55.400
think it's like a mixture of both. But obviously I
528
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don't know. But intuitively I feel like it's to walk
529
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back to wherever where we were cast from, and also
530
00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:06.599
to grow so that we can govern more things, kind
531
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of like what the Mormons believe. Maybe I know they
532
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:14.359
believe like people govern planets and solar systems and things
533
00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:18.160
like that, but sorry, I had a ton of coffee.
534
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:22.359
I'm rambling. I think that's what we're doing. I think
535
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that's what we're here doing. Man Like. It's like it's
536
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a training ground, but it's also a growing ground too.
537
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:34.279
You know, what do you think people's experiences like abductions, contact,
538
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alien experiences, things that are unexplained but seemingly very physical
539
00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:45.440
that point to a very different type of reality that
540
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:50.920
we're in. Have guests recently that had profound experiences where
541
00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:54.880
they're very physical. He's he's been taking places, he's been
542
00:30:56.240 --> 00:31:01.799
given medical procedures, and he'll have very very distinct memories
543
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:05.839
of what happened, and very distinct conversations with these entities
544
00:31:05.920 --> 00:31:10.759
about the nature of reality and them telling him that basically,
545
00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:15.559
we are some sort of experiment for these other higher
546
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dimensional entities and it's not necessarily this type of spiritual
547
00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:24.799
growth experience that we were just speaking of.
548
00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:26.000
What do you think about those?
549
00:31:28.359 --> 00:31:30.799
I think there could be some truth to that, But
550
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I would ask this, like, if we're an experiment, then
551
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why do we have the abilities to why do we
552
00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:39.920
have these abilities? Because I know for a fact we
553
00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:43.480
have these abilities because I've done them right, So I
554
00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:46.519
mean in a way, maybe it is like a Prometheus
555
00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:51.759
kind of story. Maybe we are seated and to grow
556
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:56.160
into whatever these these things are, don't I don't see
557
00:31:56.240 --> 00:31:59.680
us not as an experiment, But like what I was
558
00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:02.200
just talking about would be kind of an experiment, wasn't
559
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:06.680
it like to see, you know, how we grow back
560
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to where we came from? Consciously, Because a lot of
561
00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:13.519
these beings that people talk about also seem to come
562
00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:17.599
out of nowhere, right or they disappear or whatever. So
563
00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:22.359
they have these abilities if they exist, to get into
564
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their astral or I guess you would say forms that
565
00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:31.160
we're calling astral or out of body. They have the
566
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ability to go in between dimensions and stuff. And if
567
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we're just learning this as humans, and we definitely are
568
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because I've had the experience, right, then who's to say
569
00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:44.279
we're not man? Who's to say it's not all of it?
570
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Like it's not an experiment. Maybe God is a race
571
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of beings that wanted to see what we were going
572
00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:58.319
to become, you know, right, Like I don't know, right,
573
00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:02.400
but I do know this that we're becoming something, right,
574
00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:04.680
or I wouldn't have been able to do that, you know.
575
00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:08.000
So But then there's the love factor too, which I
576
00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:11.599
don't think you can't throw that out right, because if
577
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you've done magic, you know the power of not I'm
578
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:19.319
talking about just the sexual forces. Magic will manifest on
579
00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:22.079
a much higher and more intense level if there's actually
580
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love there, and for the people that have experienced that,
581
00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:32.119
it's awesome, right, It's really awesome. So, I mean, I
582
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don't know. Maybe it's a mixture of both. Maybe there's
583
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:37.759
all kinds of beings out there. Maybe all of us
584
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here on the earth aren't exactly the same. Maybe some
585
00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:42.880
of us are beings from other places and some of
586
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:46.240
us are other kinds of beings. You know that. Maybe
587
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that's why some people can get out of body, you know,
588
00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:50.119
others just can't. Man, I don't know.
589
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:54.039
You know, Well, what is your understanding of an angel?
590
00:33:54.319 --> 00:33:57.799
You mentioned that some of the magical practices you do
591
00:33:57.960 --> 00:33:58.480
works with.
592
00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:03.880
Angels, right, Well, I think for the most part, angels
593
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are aggergric like aspects of God. Right, So, just like
594
00:34:11.400 --> 00:34:14.159
in the Egyptian days when they would you know, vibrate
595
00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:18.400
certain names of God, these were just aspects of the
596
00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:23.079
one God. It wasn't a separate God. But at the
597
00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:28.079
same time it gets really complicated, all right, because we're
598
00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:32.000
polar minded. First, let me say that, so we either
599
00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:37.599
believe that it's imaginative and fake or it's real. That's
600
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:39.480
how our minds kind of work. But I think what
601
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:42.320
we need to understand is how the logos in the
602
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:46.599
universe works is that we're living in a real story
603
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:52.719
that was imagined. So if that is the truth, let's
604
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:55.039
say that's the truth, then it's both right. So the
605
00:34:55.079 --> 00:35:02.880
words that created these angels these vibrations might be the imaginatory.
606
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:05.679
Maybe they don't have wings, maybe they don't have Halo's right,
607
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:09.840
you know, but it doesn't mean they're not real. So
608
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:12.639
if you go back, I know this is I hate
609
00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:15.840
talking about this sometimes because a confused people. But if
610
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:20.239
you go back to uh doctor Steeleonistlis he talks about
611
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:25.719
the first appearances of Raphael and Mikaeo where with Acinate
612
00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:29.760
when Acontin was the first Egyptian god to realize that
613
00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:32.480
there was only one source, and they were doing these
614
00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:37.159
meditations and ceremonial meditations in the temple, and a violet
615
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:39.480
light and a red light came out of the sun
616
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:42.679
and they named these two people. They said their names
617
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:47.000
were Raphael and Mikao, right, and these were just kind
618
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:51.280
of like energies, but these were beings that represented those energies.
619
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I don't know if we created them. I don't know
620
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if they're just massively aggregorical powerful energies because we've been
621
00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:04.880
talking about them since the beginning of mankind, or if
622
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:10.719
they're real, or if it's both. You know, I think
623
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:15.360
we have to understand the power of not just to us,
624
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:19.639
but like the logos, so consciousness as a whole. We
625
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:21.679
don't know where it is and where it comes from.
626
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:24.000
But what we do know is when we express it,
627
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:26.440
when we focus on it, and when we think about it,
628
00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:30.360
it exists somewhere. And then the more people that think
629
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:32.360
about it and focus on it and believe in it,
630
00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:36.519
it becomes an agregorical energy. It becomes real in this place.
631
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I'm saying, I know for a fact that angels are
632
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:44.519
there and they're very powerful. Do they really exist like
633
00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:49.440
above that whatever ultimate reality is, I don't know. I'm
634
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:51.039
just gonna be honest with you. I don't know, but
635
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:52.320
they do protect us, you.
636
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:55.880
Know, Hey, right on, I happen to have very similar
637
00:36:56.000 --> 00:37:00.960
beliefs about angels, and I've had experiences that, from my
638
00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:05.760
understanding could be angelic encounters. You know, I have very
639
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:09.280
open minded My understanding could change tomorrow by about it.
640
00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:12.639
But that's a completely different story. I want to get
641
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:18.679
into the different types of magics and their practical applications.
642
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:21.960
One of them that I've never really discussed on the show,
643
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:25.559
but I'm very interested into the aspects of it and
644
00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:28.239
how it how it works. Really is sex magic?
645
00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:29.800
Do you know much about this?
646
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:34.639
Sure? Yeah? Yeah, So the sexuality, if it goes back
647
00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:36.559
to the law gender, it's the most one of the
648
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:40.800
most sacred secrets of magic to begin with, because it's
649
00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:44.639
my belief that we actually live inside a massive orgasm.
650
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:47.360
That's what this whole thing is, right, And when you
651
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:51.840
look in nature, you know, like mainly p Hall talks about,
652
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:54.119
you can study this in nature. Anytime the masculine and
653
00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:57.760
feminine come together, or the master masculine and feminine come together,
654
00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:01.920
it creates, It creates physical reality. It's the most creative
655
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:07.280
force there is, masculine and feminine coming together. It's actually
656
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:11.039
the Holy Hexagram represents that fire and water, masculine and
657
00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:14.400
feminine coming together, creating the seed.
658
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:14.800
Right.
659
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:22.440
So we've done, we've understood this microcosmically, just like we
660
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:26.000
understand a lot of things. You know, say, for example,
661
00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:31.840
let's say that we understand that in the universe everything
662
00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:37.440
is light and darkness, light, darkness on off, binary on off,
663
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:41.639
and that's what creates or that's what creates. We've created
664
00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:46.760
that microcosmically here on the Earth by fiber optic cables,
665
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:52.599
ones and zeros, right, so it transfers light and information.
666
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:56.239
On a smaller level, sex magic is the same thing.
667
00:38:56.800 --> 00:39:00.239
There is these massive masculine and feminine force is in
668
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:03.519
the universe that come together and create all kinds of things.
669
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Masculine being the driven force, and if you study the
670
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:09.840
Kabbala you'll understand this a little bit better, and the
671
00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:12.800
feminine being the receptive force that once it takes in
672
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:16.679
this energy, it uses it and creates, you know, let's
673
00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:19.679
just say the garden or whatever it creates. So there's
674
00:39:19.719 --> 00:39:22.719
always the taking into the egg and forming what needs
675
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:24.880
to be formed in the universe. It happens, you can
676
00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:29.800
see it nature and everything we've on a microcosmic level,
677
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:32.719
if we just have sex with somebody and at the
678
00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:36.239
point of orgasm, those two people focus on let's say,
679
00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:39.599
whatever they want to create. Sure it's going to create
680
00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:44.079
that it might be a little skewed, just like data
681
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:47.079
can get a little skewed across the internet, right, because
682
00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:51.199
we don't actually understand the cosmic truth about it yet.
683
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:53.880
But what I will say for people that are practicing
684
00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:56.559
sex magic, I would ask you to do this, try
685
00:39:56.639 --> 00:39:59.199
it both ways. Do it just for the orgasm and
686
00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:03.639
see what you ma manifest. And then do it with
687
00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:06.880
someone you actually really love. And I'm talking about the
688
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kind of love like maybe your partner, someone that you
689
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would die for, that kind of thing. Right, Then you
690
00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:17.440
two focus on something in the name of love to
691
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not just I want a thousand dollars, focus on something
692
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:22.920
that has more to do with love. Then see how
693
00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:26.360
that manifests. And then you'll see the difference. Right, You'll
694
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see the microcosmic kind of whatever experimental thing that we do.
695
00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:34.320
And then you'll see what I think is the higher
696
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:37.760
principle of love is of love. And this just goes
697
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back to the holy like the scriptures and the Garden
698
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of Eden and marriage and all this stuff is where
699
00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:48.119
these priests that understood these secrets were trying to force
700
00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:52.239
us to be a certain way that was sacred and
701
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:55.599
it backfired on them like it always does, right, because
702
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I believe most of us naturally are looking for that
703
00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:02.719
other half, right, We always are. We're always looking for
704
00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:06.079
the other half. And I can't I can't speak for
705
00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:09.079
polyamorous people, but I know you know what I'm saying.
706
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:12.920
I think it's natural that way, right, And I think
707
00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:16.360
as long as love's involved, things will manifest in a
708
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:20.920
much bigger way for the good of everybody and the situation.
709
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:27.000
You know. So, so based on your intent behind sexual acts,
710
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:30.280
and it doesn't doesn't necessarily have to be with another person,
711
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:32.079
can it. You know, be masturbation.
712
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Here's the trick with that. And this is going to
713
00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:40.440
sound really weird, Okay, So for dudes, it's easy. It's
714
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:41.559
easy to do this stuff.
715
00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:41.800
Man.
716
00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:43.559
We got it down to like, you know, we got
717
00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:47.400
it down to a science, right. It's like it's like, so,
718
00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:49.800
I don't want ladies to get insecure. You'll never be
719
00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:52.199
as good as our right hand, I promise you, so
720
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:59.280
you know what I mean, like you, But but I
721
00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:01.079
would say this, it's like, if you're gonna do it
722
00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:06.000
with yourself, which is fine. I think it's fine. Don't
723
00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:08.440
be afraid. Don't be afraid, like I don't care what
724
00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:10.880
you think. I think it's fine, Like, but don't be
725
00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:14.440
afraid to understand what I'm talking about when it comes
726
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:17.239
to masculine feminine, Like if you're a dude, that's always
727
00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:20.719
a really off a dude and whatever, you know, and
728
00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:23.920
you go try to, you know, really do your thing
729
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:28.039
right and try to manifest something. If you're too afraid
730
00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:31.679
to be vulnerable and be a little feminine with yourself
731
00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:34.039
in other words, take care of yourself a little bit right.
732
00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:36.320
If you're too afraid to do that, it's probably not
733
00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:39.320
gonna manifest the way you want it. You know it
734
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:42.280
might so say well I need two grand and you know,
735
00:42:42.440 --> 00:42:44.440
you just do your thing or whatever, and you know,
736
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:46.719
someone like gets hit by a car and you get
737
00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:50.039
too grand because there's insurance or something like I'm just
738
00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:54.119
telling people, like, when you play with this stuff, I
739
00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:56.079
don't think it's meant to be played with. And if
740
00:42:56.119 --> 00:42:58.719
you're gonna do it, like, make sure you have loving
741
00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:00.719
intent in your heart. And if you're gonna do it
742
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:03.800
with yourself, learn how to love yourself. Because if it's
743
00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:06.840
all in my opinion, if it's all about that orgasm,
744
00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:10.280
that just jerk you know, like animals do, which we're
745
00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:13.360
above animals. I don't think it's gonna manifest the way
746
00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:15.519
you want. That's just my opinion though.
747
00:43:16.360 --> 00:43:20.000
Right, well, let's talk about intent behind magic. I know
748
00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:23.679
it's it's it's definitely one hundred percent a tool. Your
749
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:27.159
intent dictates whether it'll be used for for good or bad.
750
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:32.360
Feel I said, oh no, man, that's that's great because
751
00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:34.519
I'm taking it back to sex magic. How can this
752
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:39.280
this particular thing, sex magic be used in a negative way?
753
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:44.039
Oh wow, I mean all you got to just read
754
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:46.800
a little Crowley you can see in a negative way,
755
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:49.679
Like people have this idea of sex. It's never negative
756
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:53.079
because it feels so good. Right, well, so does heroin.
757
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:55.000
You know, you take a Heroin need on, you jab
758
00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:58.599
it in your arm, it's gonna feel good. Does that
759
00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:01.559
mean it's divine? Does that mean it's magical? You know
760
00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:02.400
what I'm saying?
761
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:07.920
All right, man, that was weird system crash. They didn't
762
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:11.159
like what we were talking about. We were discussing if
763
00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:14.599
sex magic can be used for nefarious purposes, which I
764
00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:17.599
imagine it could, just because it's a tool like anything else.
765
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:23.599
Right, yeah, I mean the biggest holes that happen in
766
00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:27.280
our soul or first and foremost, we need to understand this, like,
767
00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:32.760
for the most part, the biggest heartaches and holes that
768
00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:35.760
we put in our soul are from the beginnings of
769
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:41.400
sexual experiences. Number one. Right, So when people are sexually abused,
770
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:45.400
that's dark. That's not necessarily dark magic, but it is
771
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:51.440
dark magic. So when people are abused when they're younger,
772
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:55.519
which happens to people all the time, So there's abuse,
773
00:44:55.639 --> 00:44:59.199
there's rape, there's all kinds of stuff, there's infidelity, these
774
00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:01.639
kinds of things the first time they happen to anybody
775
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:03.960
or the most traumatic things in the world to a
776
00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:09.199
person psychologically, soulfully and emotionally, and our ideas of sex
777
00:45:09.320 --> 00:45:13.360
as a whole come from those upbringings, right, So either
778
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:16.119
we get numb to it or we get more sensitive
779
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:21.079
to it or whatever. It's always been a sacred thing, always, right,
780
00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:23.599
So depending on what happens to us in our life
781
00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:25.960
is how we view it to begin with. And then
782
00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:29.800
you got the whole society thing, right, how they view
783
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:32.920
it or whatever. But the truth is there are people,
784
00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:34.840
there are lots of people out there that say, oh,
785
00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:36.880
well so and so you know they did this or
786
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:39.360
cheated on me or whatever, and blah blah blah, and
787
00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:41.880
I don't care. But the truth is, deep down it
788
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:44.000
hurts them and they really do care. So Number one,
789
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:46.480
we got to understand before we look at the dark stuff,
790
00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:49.239
just how sacred this is to begin with. You know,
791
00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:53.599
a person is giving themselves in whole to you, right,
792
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:58.880
so that has to matter. When it doesn't matter, that's
793
00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:04.239
dark magic period when it doesn't matter. So let's say
794
00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:11.519
you're just you have two people that want to do
795
00:46:12.039 --> 00:46:14.400
just to have an orgasm, to practice it and see
796
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:17.480
if well, if something's going to come of it. I
797
00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:20.440
would call that gray. You know, that's kind of grayish.
798
00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:24.960
But there are people in the world, and this is
799
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:31.920
a touchy subject that understand these things and have used children.
800
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:39.599
They've even talked women or women have talked men into
801
00:46:39.880 --> 00:46:42.400
doing things that they didn't want to do, or have
802
00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:45.760
tricked them into these things or whatever to get to
803
00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:49.079
this power of this energy. So anytime you use it,
804
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:55.679
in my opinion, for any other purposes than love, I
805
00:46:55.800 --> 00:46:59.400
think it's a bit dark, honestly. But then there's the
806
00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:03.039
whole idea of what is love. Like I'm sure people
807
00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:04.760
are saying, well, what if I'm masturbate, it is that
808
00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:06.679
not love, you know, And it's like, well, I mean
809
00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:09.159
it's kind of self love. Maybe you need to take
810
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:11.880
care of yourself. Maybe you need to stop being ashamed
811
00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:15.639
of wanting to feel love in your life, you know.
812
00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:20.320
Right, And you're absolutely right about the dark aspects.
813
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:26.679
There are elite families that use this for multi generational trauma,
814
00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:31.639
traumatic purposes to to keep to breed a certain level
815
00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:36.559
of psychopathy to where that this elite mentality stays in
816
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:40.000
this family. But it's it's done through this. I guess
817
00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:43.079
you could say, these these sex magic rituals, it's through
818
00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:45.679
abuse at a very early age.
819
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:47.159
Right, It's kind of like the same thing.
820
00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:52.480
Yeah, And there's there's this is there's multi levels to this. Right.
821
00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:55.679
The worst is the children, in my opinion, that's like
822
00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:59.440
the worst, the abuse the children. But then there's you know,
823
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:04.920
there's other dark aspects. There's psychological aspects. There's people that understand,
824
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:07.280
there's dudes out there that understand all all I got
825
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:08.719
to do is sleep with this girl, and if she
826
00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:11.159
has an orgasm while I'm inside her, she's going to
827
00:48:11.199 --> 00:48:15.000
be attached to me. They know this because they know
828
00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:18.320
how they just know how this stuff works. To me,
829
00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:22.079
that's still dark magic. Right. My thing is if, like
830
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:24.920
if a person is given themselves over to you in
831
00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:27.719
that sense, guy or girl, if you don't treat it
832
00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:31.760
as a sacred thing. You know what I mean to me,
833
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:33.880
it's kind of dark. You know.
834
00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:36.880
Well, we look at what's happening on a mass scale
835
00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:41.599
with sexuality these days. We have, you know, over sexualized
836
00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:46.679
generations because of what's been portrayed through Hollywood and media
837
00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:50.440
and pornography and all of this stuff. Imagine that effect
838
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:54.760
it has on a collective energetically. I'm sure this has
839
00:48:54.920 --> 00:48:56.920
changed society in many ways.
840
00:48:58.039 --> 00:49:00.440
Yeah, because of my dude, you hit the nail on
841
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:02.480
the head when it comes to what I believe, in
842
00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:06.079
my opinion, the whole reason why society is screwed up
843
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:08.920
as a whole. And I've asked other hosts of this too,
844
00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:11.440
I'm like, do you think, let's just say sex did
845
00:49:11.559 --> 00:49:15.039
not exist, do you think people would still care about money,
846
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:19.280
power and all the stuff that they do now? They
847
00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:23.440
would a little bit, but not really. It wouldn't. It
848
00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:28.000
wouldn't near. It wouldn't be near driving force of everything, right,
849
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:31.280
so to use. So when guys said well, I want
850
00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:32.719
they can make a bunch of money and get all
851
00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:35.360
big and powerful and all this stuff so they can
852
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:38.079
have sex more, or they can have more women. To me,
853
00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:41.920
that's a little dark, right, It's just it's a little dark.
854
00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:42.639
You need.
855
00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:45.159
My point is, I know it's woo woo, and I
856
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:47.480
know I sound like a freaking old man, but you
857
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:51.639
need to genuinely love someone in order to understand what
858
00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:55.360
I'm talking about, right, in order to understand how sacred
859
00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:58.039
this is and experience this. Because there's a good sign
860
00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:01.159
to this too. Good side is is that when we
861
00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:06.840
start learning to understand the sacred sexuality of the universe
862
00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:11.280
and these forces, when we do give ourselves in to love,
863
00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:16.760
there are experiences that we have yet to experience. Some
864
00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:19.880
of us are lucky enough to have experienced it. And
865
00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:22.840
I'm talking about in the realms of love, pleasure, and
866
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:24.159
divine experiences.
867
00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:24.760
Right.
868
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:29.320
This is supposed We're supposed to experience this and understand
869
00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:32.559
the sacredness of it, but instead we use it like
870
00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:37.239
a drug. So just like when a person jabs themselves
871
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:39.960
with heroin, they're chasing that high all the time and
872
00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:42.840
now they're just trying not to get sick. There's sex
873
00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:45.199
addictions that that are the same way. They're trying to
874
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:48.800
get back to that first orgasm that they had or whatever,
875
00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:51.920
that big orgasm. Then there's the BDSM culture. Then there's
876
00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:55.039
people hitting each other and hanging from fans and putting
877
00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:58.119
stuff up, you know whatever, right, and it's all like,
878
00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:01.280
it gets really dark. If you ask me, and I
879
00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:04.159
know people into your closed minded you don't understand. Now,
880
00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:06.360
let me explain something to you. I took a lot
881
00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:11.559
of time to understand this, and I did experientially. I'm
882
00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:15.800
not trying to brag, but I've looked into all this stuff,
883
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:18.519
you know, except for like abuse and all that nasty,
884
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:23.159
crazy bullshit, to try to understand why people are doing
885
00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:27.320
these things. And it's all pain, it's all dark, it's
886
00:51:27.400 --> 00:51:32.360
all evil, and it's all people seeking love. You know,
887
00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:35.440
they're trying to find love and maybe this is the
888
00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:38.119
only way they can do it because somewhere along the line,
889
00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:41.679
they weren't loved. You understand what I'm saying, Like, they
890
00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:44.360
weren't protected, they didn't feel safe, they didn't feel secure,
891
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:47.320
they didn't feel like that person had their best interest.
892
00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:51.119
They're traumatized, right, and this is where it all goes
893
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:52.400
backwards and downhill.
894
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:57.400
You know, I think this is actually also all linked
895
00:51:57.519 --> 00:52:03.960
to a does desired outcome that certain groups want for humanity,
896
00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:08.000
this certain alchemical transformation of what we are as humans
897
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:12.920
also tying into this transhuman agenda changing what we are
898
00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:17.679
at our root, from our sexuality to our biology and
899
00:52:17.960 --> 00:52:22.159
eventually integrating it with technology and you know, this new
900
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:25.800
age of technocracy that they want us to enter. Do
901
00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:28.039
you see this kind of same correlation there?
902
00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:32.480
Yeah, yeah, and I do because of the hermetic reasons
903
00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:35.159
of gender I see. For I mean, if you look
904
00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:39.679
at a lot of females and a lot of guys,
905
00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:42.679
it's it's all backwards. So a lot of females that
906
00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:45.920
I've talked to, they have you know, they're they've taken
907
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:48.840
the role of the masculine, or they're they're out trying
908
00:52:48.880 --> 00:52:52.760
to do business, or they're more masculine than they should be, right,
909
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:55.239
and then when you get to know them or when
910
00:52:55.239 --> 00:52:58.559
they feel safe, they become feminine. So what they really
911
00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:02.000
want is a mass figure to feel safe with, but
912
00:53:02.119 --> 00:53:04.559
they've had to take on this role of a more
913
00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:07.920
masculine figure to feel safe in themselves and survive. Blah blah, blah.
914
00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:11.239
It's the same thing with dudes. We want to be masculine,
915
00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:12.920
we want to be like, this is what I want,
916
00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:16.440
I'm going to say it, go for it, tell you whatever, right,
917
00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:19.880
which actually turns the feminine on. But we've been trained
918
00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:22.360
to do not to be that way, and not to
919
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:25.199
tell a woman that she's attractive, not to say that
920
00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:27.519
you're beautiful and I want you and I desire you,
921
00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:34.519
blah blah blah. Right, So all of this, uh, societal
922
00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:37.079
I guess you could say where everybody gets offended about
923
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:43.079
everything has well confused, dude, it's confused a lot of people, right,
924
00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:47.440
and a lot of people don't. We naturally care. Most
925
00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:50.840
people naturally care what other people think. Masculine energy not
926
00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:54.119
so much, but the feminine energy does because they're nurturing
927
00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:56.760
energy and they want everybody to get along and be happy.
928
00:53:57.119 --> 00:54:01.079
So there's this egregoric energy of care hearing what society
929
00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:04.800
thinks all the time, you know, and that's the button
930
00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:08.239
that they push, right, So they're bombarding us with, you know,
931
00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:13.480
gender confusion, sexual shows just all kinds of crap. Man.
932
00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:16.760
That has nothing to do with what's really sacred about
933
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:21.199
the masculine and feminine together because the actual sacred sexuality,
934
00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:25.239
the natural parts of us, is what grows us like
935
00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:28.840
divinely in my opinion. So, yeah, there's a lot of
936
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:31.519
weird and crazy stuff going on in this realm, you know.
937
00:54:31.639 --> 00:54:34.320
Yeah, man, I think that there's been such an acceleration
938
00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:38.400
of these agendas that it's actually turned people off to it.
939
00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:42.480
I think they're going too hard, too fast, and people
940
00:54:42.519 --> 00:54:44.440
aren't ready for some of the stuff that they've been
941
00:54:44.519 --> 00:54:47.480
throwing at them, and it's kind of backfiring. I see
942
00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:50.719
a lot of these things that a lot of us,
943
00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:53.800
you know, conspiracy, there's and people were scared of happening.
944
00:54:54.079 --> 00:54:58.199
Might not come to fruition just because of the mistakes
945
00:54:58.239 --> 00:55:01.559
that have been made on the part of those powers
946
00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:02.159
in control.
947
00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:02.440
You know.
948
00:55:03.480 --> 00:55:06.119
Oh yeah, yeah, they and they do whatever they want
949
00:55:06.199 --> 00:55:08.400
with it. They can do they can do whatever they
950
00:55:08.440 --> 00:55:11.119
want with it. And there's TV show, even the TV shows.
951
00:55:11.159 --> 00:55:13.159
There's one the other day where this I forget the
952
00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:15.880
name of the guy, but I saw the thing where
953
00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:18.880
he made the web He made the websites of all
954
00:55:18.920 --> 00:55:22.519
these people's naked pictures and stuff, and you know, talking
955
00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:25.360
about oh, your mom's a slut, or this kindergarten teachers
956
00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:28.199
this or whatever, and made this website and started putting
957
00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:30.079
it on the internet, and everybody thought he's a god.
958
00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:32.559
And now the girls, there's even girls that want to
959
00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:35.320
get with him because he's popular, but he's really What
960
00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:39.119
really happened was to this guy, I guarantee it. What
961
00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:42.880
really happened was either his mother damaged him sexually, like
962
00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:45.519
he saw something he shouldn't have when he was wasn't
963
00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:48.639
ready for it. Or he got his heart broken massively
964
00:55:48.760 --> 00:55:52.400
by someone he really loved and he became sociopathic to
965
00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:55.800
deal with the pain and use these ideas of sex
966
00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:58.480
and how messed up humans are and exposed all of
967
00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:00.000
them so he could feel bad.
968
00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:00.679
Right.
969
00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:03.719
This is how evil this stuff gets, man, because we
970
00:56:03.800 --> 00:56:08.599
don't acknowledge the pain of how someone hurt us. We
971
00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:11.360
just think it's normal. Even even tell our kids this, Oh,
972
00:56:11.480 --> 00:56:14.559
it's normal. You know your first love or whatever, like
973
00:56:14.679 --> 00:56:17.639
you'll find another one, and yeah you will, but we don't.
974
00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:20.480
We don't really get to tell them, like, hey, I
975
00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:24.239
understand you gave yourself. This was the first person that
976
00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:27.480
you were vulnerable to, right, This was the first person
977
00:56:27.559 --> 00:56:29.320
that you opened up to and you gave your heart
978
00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:33.679
in full too, and now you may never do that again.
979
00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:38.960
And our whole lives were dealing with this pain until
980
00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:41.079
we get old enough, and then we're like, oh, you know,
981
00:56:41.639 --> 00:56:45.760
fuck it right, like I'll I'll just do it because
982
00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:48.800
I'm tired of like protecting myself. And it's sad because
983
00:56:48.800 --> 00:56:51.760
we're missing out on the most divine experiences of life
984
00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:54.079
because we're not taught to deal with our pain. Society's
985
00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:59.280
teaching us to deal with sexuality and entirely unmagical, undivined,
986
00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:02.840
unlike you know, it just is.
987
00:57:03.760 --> 00:57:07.480
Yeah, I don't know, man, I have hope because of
988
00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:10.159
the amount of people that I see that are on
989
00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:14.039
the free thinking right side of history and not a
990
00:57:14.119 --> 00:57:16.719
part of this whole woke culture. There's more and more
991
00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:19.599
every day, so I think we do have a chance
992
00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:23.559
to turn things around. You know, it's we're in critical
993
00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:26.039
times right now either way. But I want to bring
994
00:57:26.199 --> 00:57:29.239
this back to the astral conversation and combine it with
995
00:57:29.320 --> 00:57:30.239
a little sex talk.
996
00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:33.840
Astral sex. Is this possible?
997
00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:37.960
Is this anything you've experienced heard about or is it
998
00:57:38.079 --> 00:57:40.519
something that could affect our reality?
999
00:57:41.440 --> 00:57:44.760
Yeah? Definitely, And it's understood on a different level in
1000
00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:51.119
the astral realm, right so you know, when you get
1001
00:57:51.159 --> 00:57:53.400
into the astral travel and when you get into these realms,
1002
00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:57.440
there's a level in there somewhere where the sexual energy
1003
00:57:57.559 --> 00:58:01.840
is really intense and you have to either come in
1004
00:58:01.960 --> 00:58:05.559
contact and have sex with somebody, and it's it's not
1005
00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:08.679
like you're physically having sex with them. But what will
1006
00:58:08.719 --> 00:58:12.119
happen is is these feminine forms will start coming around you.
1007
00:58:12.199 --> 00:58:15.000
If you're a guy and there, you don't have to
1008
00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:17.400
like talk them into it. They just want to merge
1009
00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:20.760
with your energy, and it's either to pass or whatever,
1010
00:58:21.079 --> 00:58:23.320
or to get through that new realm or to to
1011
00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:26.880
like relieve something. Right, it's weird. In the astal realm,
1012
00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:29.719
it's weird, you know. It's like, Okay, well that felt
1013
00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:33.559
electrifyingly good. But it's not like you it's not like
1014
00:58:33.639 --> 00:58:36.159
you soiled yourself while you were sleeping neither, right, So
1015
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:39.599
it's it's different, and it's understood different in the actional
1016
00:58:39.639 --> 00:58:44.679
realm too, Like there's it almost feels like they understand
1017
00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:48.239
the love part that I'm talking about, right, But then
1018
00:58:48.280 --> 00:58:52.119
there's I don't know, man, there's some vampiric stuff in
1019
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:56.800
there too. There's there's both, right, but it's it's just
1020
00:58:56.960 --> 00:59:00.199
done on a more I don't know, man, I don't
1021
00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:03.559
even know how to explain. It'd be like two opposites
1022
00:59:03.599 --> 00:59:06.679
coming together and just feeling that electricity and then moving on.
1023
00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:07.840
Right.
1024
00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:13.840
That's you can pass it, like Monroe teaches about, you know, Okay,
1025
00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:15.760
I'll do this, I'll come back and do it later,
1026
00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:17.840
and then that energy will leave you alone and you
1027
00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:23.599
can push through it. But here's the cool part. What
1028
00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:26.039
people in the Golden Dawn understood and what a lot
1029
00:59:26.119 --> 00:59:29.400
of the resicrusions and alchemists understood. And you'll notice some
1030
00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:33.119
of these people have life partners that are doing this
1031
00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:38.360
stuff with them, So they're practicing sacred sexuality together with
1032
00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:43.719
their partner throughout their whole lifetimes, and the astral side
1033
00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:48.079
of it too. So what I'm saying is is I
1034
00:59:48.199 --> 00:59:50.320
want you to imagine this. If you just changed your
1035
00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:53.679
idea of this and you said, okay, like I want
1036
00:59:53.719 --> 00:59:57.320
to manifest the partner in my life that I can
1037
00:59:57.440 --> 01:00:02.039
experience all of this stuff with, then you will. But
1038
01:00:02.159 --> 01:00:07.480
if you stay with the ideas of society's version of sex,
1039
01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:09.639
you're probably not going to get too much further past
1040
01:00:09.679 --> 01:00:12.840
the animalistic side of it, right, right, So when you
1041
01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:15.639
get into the divine part and you've got a partner
1042
01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:20.360
and you're both doing these alchemical techniques together, which is
1043
01:00:21.199 --> 01:00:24.079
basically tonture, but there's different forms of it. And then
1044
01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:27.400
you're both also trying to get out of body, and
1045
01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:30.440
then you both can see and feel each other out
1046
01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:35.440
of body. Now you're getting into the real realms of
1047
01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:39.800
divine creation. Right. The two and one mystery is like,
1048
01:00:40.039 --> 01:00:42.840
you see this all in all scriptures. So what are
1049
01:00:42.880 --> 01:00:46.679
they talking about. Are they talking about male and female
1050
01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:51.079
or they're talking about those two energies coming together in
1051
01:00:51.280 --> 01:00:54.920
all forms man, in all forms. Right, So when you
1052
01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:59.880
find your life partner, you know, and they're spiritual like you, man,
1053
01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:02.960
you guys have a better chance to experience things most
1054
01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:05.719
people will never get to it if you just understand
1055
01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:07.159
these principles, you know, I.
1056
01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:10.280
Think this is that's exactly why things like the institution
1057
01:01:10.440 --> 01:01:15.679
of marriage have been corrupted, the ideas of romance through Hollywood,
1058
01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:20.719
all these things have have just destroyed what real relationships
1059
01:01:20.800 --> 01:01:25.159
could be and the powers behind true love and the
1060
01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:29.679
powers of sex combined with these, you know, these mutual
1061
01:01:29.840 --> 01:01:33.719
desires and things that have been suppressed by people's ideas
1062
01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:37.599
of what society should be. So you're absolutely spot on.
1063
01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:40.840
And I think that those in control know the power
1064
01:01:41.000 --> 01:01:44.400
that could possibly come through from these from two people
1065
01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:46.639
uniting in such a way, So they're going to keep
1066
01:01:46.679 --> 01:01:49.760
anything from that happening on a large scale.
1067
01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:54.039
Yeah, and both exactly, man, in both the feminine and
1068
01:01:54.159 --> 01:01:58.440
the masculine inside of you and inside of everybody wants
1069
01:01:58.480 --> 01:02:02.480
to experience a higher love. They do. They want to
1070
01:02:02.559 --> 01:02:08.840
experience a higher love experientially, physically, emotionally, spiritually, all of
1071
01:02:08.920 --> 01:02:11.199
that stuff that we read books about it, we watch
1072
01:02:11.239 --> 01:02:13.920
stories about it, we cry, we want it so bad.
1073
01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:16.519
And the truth of the matter is is that we
1074
01:02:16.800 --> 01:02:20.360
naturally do this. We are naturally this way, we do
1075
01:02:20.519 --> 01:02:25.119
it easily. But the programs outside of us have made
1076
01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:30.360
us like so insecure about it or so screwed up.
1077
01:02:30.519 --> 01:02:34.400
Yeah, they've made us mentally ill about true love and relationships.
1078
01:02:35.119 --> 01:02:37.000
Yeah, man, I mean I know some of the you
1079
01:02:37.079 --> 01:02:39.679
know this, Some cool people are like I'm never having
1080
01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:41.840
sex with anybody or dah da da dah because they're
1081
01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:46.239
so damaged and messed up from it. And you just say, well, why, well,
1082
01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:48.599
it's just sex and it's not that important, and it's
1083
01:02:48.679 --> 01:02:52.440
like you can see like, you can see the pain
1084
01:02:52.519 --> 01:02:55.000
that it's happened to them. They've just given up, right,
1085
01:02:55.480 --> 01:02:58.679
And the truth is is they probably cry themselves asleep,
1086
01:02:58.800 --> 01:03:01.840
they cry in the shower sometime, they feel lonely, They
1087
01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:03.960
don't feel the union or the love that they should
1088
01:03:03.960 --> 01:03:06.960
feel in their life. But we're taught because of TV
1089
01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:10.960
and media and all this other stuff that the majority
1090
01:03:10.960 --> 01:03:13.639
of people are just gonna hurt you anyways. And the
1091
01:03:13.760 --> 01:03:16.920
truth is that's not true. That's what's on television, that's
1092
01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:20.039
what's on the media, that's what's on that's what's on everything.
1093
01:03:20.159 --> 01:03:23.480
And then even then, we're turning the people that don't
1094
01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:25.960
want to be that way into these people that are
1095
01:03:26.039 --> 01:03:29.679
just protecting themselves so much that they're gonna hurt people too.
1096
01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:30.039
Right.
1097
01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:33.719
So it's a big psychological, evil, messed up thing. When
1098
01:03:33.760 --> 01:03:36.960
if we just shut everything off and went back to nature, dude,
1099
01:03:37.159 --> 01:03:40.159
it would be like we would be happy, you know
1100
01:03:40.199 --> 01:03:42.719
what I mean, We would do this easily, you know.
1101
01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:45.920
Yeah, Man, I see a collapse of old systems, and
1102
01:03:46.039 --> 01:03:49.199
I also see a greater thing as people starting new systems,
1103
01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:54.000
people starting their own sustainable communities, farms, their own entertainment,
1104
01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:57.000
podcast shows, it's like, you know, we're kind of getting
1105
01:03:57.079 --> 01:04:00.840
ready for the collapse of these old unsustainable systems and something,
1106
01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:03.000
something greater in the future.
1107
01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:04.719
And you know, you can feel it.
1108
01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:06.960
You can feel it's like right on the cusp, we're
1109
01:04:07.079 --> 01:04:09.800
almost there to where this you know, this system can't
1110
01:04:10.079 --> 01:04:12.599
keep going the way it is. So it is a
1111
01:04:12.679 --> 01:04:13.880
good thing that I see happening.
1112
01:04:14.760 --> 01:04:16.960
Well, you know another thing too that I was going
1113
01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:20.719
to tell you is I told you like these ceremonies
1114
01:04:20.760 --> 01:04:23.039
that I that I do, we're boring. So I made
1115
01:04:23.079 --> 01:04:27.000
these guided meditations and pathworkings at Joe roup dot com.
1116
01:04:27.599 --> 01:04:30.280
But what I what I learned from these and William
1117
01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:33.519
Buelman and Robert Monroe and all this stuff, is that
1118
01:04:33.880 --> 01:04:37.639
when we get back into our natural framework, which we're
1119
01:04:37.719 --> 01:04:40.880
naturally ritualistic beings in other words, when we learn how
1120
01:04:40.920 --> 01:04:43.199
to breathe rhythmically, when we learn how to use our
1121
01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:48.760
powers of visualization, all of this stuff, it's really crazy.
1122
01:04:48.920 --> 01:04:51.760
Our ideas of natural love and the stuff that we've
1123
01:04:51.840 --> 01:04:54.800
pushed down will come out and we'll go, wait a minute,
1124
01:04:55.079 --> 01:04:59.599
like I'm naturally loving, I'm naturally masculine or feminine, I'm
1125
01:04:59.679 --> 01:05:02.960
natural this way. I don't care what society thinks, like
1126
01:05:03.079 --> 01:05:05.480
I don't care what the TV says. This is what
1127
01:05:05.639 --> 01:05:10.320
my heart desires and that we keep ritualistically is circumambulate naturally, right,
1128
01:05:10.440 --> 01:05:14.559
and we come into this authentic self, which is who
1129
01:05:14.599 --> 01:05:17.000
we were when we came here. You have to realize,
1130
01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:19.559
when you came here as a baby, you were perfect.
1131
01:05:19.679 --> 01:05:22.920
You were fine. Everything was fine about you, and you
1132
01:05:23.079 --> 01:05:27.039
could be and have and manifest anything you want. It's
1133
01:05:27.079 --> 01:05:30.239
when you turned your focus outwards into society to tell
1134
01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:33.000
you who and what you are and how things are
1135
01:05:33.119 --> 01:05:35.400
and all this other stuff is when things started getting
1136
01:05:35.400 --> 01:05:38.440
fucked up. That's when things started getting messed up. Right,
1137
01:05:38.559 --> 01:05:41.199
So we have to come back to that natural self.
1138
01:05:41.440 --> 01:05:43.960
You know, I love it, man, and I love what
1139
01:05:44.079 --> 01:05:44.559
you're doing.
1140
01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:47.280
For the last few minutes, we have tell the audience
1141
01:05:47.320 --> 01:05:50.199
a little bit more about it, how they can get involved,
1142
01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:53.239
and you know, where's the easiest way that they can
1143
01:05:53.320 --> 01:05:53.639
find it.
1144
01:05:54.599 --> 01:05:57.320
Yeah. So I do a radio show five nights a week.
1145
01:05:57.360 --> 01:06:00.920
I've always done that, like I've been doing or replays lately.
1146
01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:05.000
But Lighting Thevoid dot COM's the radio show. Fringe dot
1147
01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:08.159
FM is the radio station where you have a bunch
1148
01:06:08.239 --> 01:06:10.199
of people working on that. So we're trying to build
1149
01:06:10.199 --> 01:06:13.119
a free speech platform. It's fun and keep it more
1150
01:06:13.239 --> 01:06:17.079
radio and the audio. You know, I love radio. So
1151
01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:20.360
frings dot Fm is that right, lighting the voids my
1152
01:06:20.519 --> 01:06:23.280
radio show, and Joe Roop dot com is where my
1153
01:06:23.440 --> 01:06:27.079
member section is, and the magic and astro meditations and
1154
01:06:27.119 --> 01:06:30.840
all that stuff there, that's Joe Joe Roop dot com. Right.
1155
01:06:31.159 --> 01:06:35.320
Oh, So if people are if they're interesteding in starting
1156
01:06:35.400 --> 01:06:38.639
maybe in starting a meditation and things like that, what
1157
01:06:38.760 --> 01:06:41.039
could they expect whenever they sign up?
1158
01:06:42.199 --> 01:06:44.239
Well, if you go there and you and you sign up,
1159
01:06:44.679 --> 01:06:47.239
the best thing to do is get the fundamentals and
1160
01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:50.920
relaxation first, right, and start possing those things. So when
1161
01:06:50.960 --> 01:06:52.880
you learn how to relax, we all think we know
1162
01:06:52.960 --> 01:06:55.800
how to relax, but we don't really, I mean, for
1163
01:06:55.880 --> 01:06:59.679
the most part, we don't. And then once you learn
1164
01:06:59.719 --> 01:07:01.559
how to do that, you do the balance breath, and
1165
01:07:01.639 --> 01:07:05.360
then you start learning about the power of visualization and
1166
01:07:05.679 --> 01:07:09.280
what I call the magical eye, right, which I think
1167
01:07:09.320 --> 01:07:12.320
we've lost that as well. And then you get into
1168
01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:15.519
the ritual and the actual work and stuff like that.
1169
01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:18.280
Of course, you can get the like the star and
1170
01:07:18.320 --> 01:07:21.159
the pentagram and learn all about that, and by the
1171
01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:23.400
time you're done with it, you're gonna know everything about
1172
01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:26.920
the cross and the pentagram and you're gonna have experienced it.
1173
01:07:27.039 --> 01:07:28.880
But I think it's really important that you learn how
1174
01:07:28.880 --> 01:07:33.280
to relax and focus, breathe and visualize first before you
1175
01:07:33.440 --> 01:07:36.400
do this stuff, you know. So yeah, it's a lot
1176
01:07:36.440 --> 01:07:38.719
of basic stuff, but it gets fun, man, It gets
1177
01:07:38.800 --> 01:07:40.159
cool as you keep going through it.
1178
01:07:40.679 --> 01:07:41.079
I love it.
1179
01:07:41.199 --> 01:07:41.400
Man.
1180
01:07:41.679 --> 01:07:43.519
Well, thank you so much for coming on late.
1181
01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:46.599
Notice this was fantastic and we're definitely gonna have to
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talk again in the future for sure.
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Yeah, I'll have you on my show, bring you back
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over and have you have you on so you can
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tell you your story. Last time you told me the
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story about the frogs.
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I've had some other experiences since then, some even strangers.
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So let's do it for sure, all right.
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Today my guest is Ben Joseph Stewart. He is a filmmaker, musician, producer,
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artist and father, and he's creator of several documentaries, including
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DMT Quest, Esoteric Agenda, and Limitless. He is also creator
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of the Ben Stewart podcast and the Waking Infinity series.
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Ben Welcome, How you doing.
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I'm doing excellent, man, thanks for having me.
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Yes, I've been looking forward to this. Like what I
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was telling you before, I love your work. You have
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so many amazing documentaries and projects in general that cover
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all the topics that are really near us and dearest
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to my heart. You know, psychedelics, esoteric, the occult, the
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true nature of our hidden reality, all my favorite stuff.
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And there's so many directions we can go in that
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I really want to go. But first let's start with
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more about yourself, more about your background and what led
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you to start your research and ultimately making films. Yeah.
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Well, I mean, man, I've done this since you so
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many times that it's like I can go all the
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way back to the beginning where I was an army brat.
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I was traveling the world NonStop. I can't remember the
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exact amount of places that I lived before I hit
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high school, but it was just ridiculous, so constantly moving
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in and out of the country, Hawaii, quadling in the
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Marshall Islands, which is a tiny grouping of islands with
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the Marshal Eese culture, their matriarchal culture, shamanic culture. They
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invented the bikinis. So I lived amongst some interesting groups
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growing up and then all of a sudden, once I
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got back to the main forty eight, started getting into sports,
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started getting into medicine, and when I say medicine is
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really psychedelic medicine. At like age fourteen, I started getting
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into that, got into music heavy. And then right around
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the time I was getting out of high school, I
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was still seventeen, I decided to enlist in the military,
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which was an interesting move for me. But I was
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in the military for six years, and in that time
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I really got to just see what the military was
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all about. And then also it kind of opened my
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not that I had a small mind about the world
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01:10:25.640 --> 01:10:27.720
because I had traveled a lot, but I didn't really
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understand the United States and the military industrial complexes role
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in foreign politics and just in the world at large.
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And it really started to hit me when I was
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in the military. And when you're in the military, whether
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you're in uniform or not, you represent the military. So
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you can't go on podcasts, not that there were them
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01:10:48.359 --> 01:10:51.000
back then, but you can't go out and be outspoken
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about what is happening in the military when you're in
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the military. So as soon as I got out in
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two thousand and six, that was when I really started
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in my music. I was in a band. We're touring,
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we played Lollapalooza, We're NonStop touring the country, and I
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finally just started getting really vocal about what I saw
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was going on in the world. And then people started
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asking me, like, what is what's driving all this lyrical content.
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We can tell that you're really passionate about this. So
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I decided in proper artistic fashion too, instead of just
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answering their question with words, I made a film. Never
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did any demo reels, never did any video editing before.
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I just hopped straight into making this film. And that's
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what got me into researching, was I realized I wanted
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to talk about what I was seeing in the world.
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But as I was researching, in the course of making
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the film, everything I researched expanded my mind more and
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more and more. So I was in this kind of
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like the Fool and the Tarot at the beginning of
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a journey, you know, like I was consuming as much
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content as I possibly could. And it made a film
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called Esoteric Agenda that came out in two thousand late
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two thousand and seven, and around the launch of that,
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so many people had seen it, like millions of people
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had seen it. And this was before YouTube. It was
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all in Google videos. That launched people into emailing me
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saying like, please make another film. Like the very last
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ten to fifteen minutes of that film, and that film
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was primarily it was talking about conspiracy. It was talking
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about the distortion of time. It was talking about mainstream
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media and corporate media and how they use logos and
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sound and visuals, you know as hypnotic and trainment, and
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that was. But the very last fifteen minutes is when
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I told people like, listen, this whole esoteric agenda, the
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real conspirator is you. The real power is inside of you.
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And people were like, I love that point. Can you
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drive it home deeper in another film? So I drove
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it home in this film called Chaimatica, and that was
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really my number one film that one New York Independent
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Film Festival for Best Scientific Film. It was a lot
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about the psyche. It was a lot about who in
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group think, who's really doing the thinking, And so I
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started just kind of laying out that really the ailments
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and the problems that we see in the world, we
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love it when we can point the finger outside and
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purely say oh, it's their fault, it's their fault, it's
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their fault. And then I think the next step up
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from that is really taking personal responsibility and saying, like,
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despite the fact that all these things were present before
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I was born, that doesn't mean that I need to
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sit in this downward spiral of Oh, the world is shit.
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Look at all these people, they're making it worse. If
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you focus on what is my part? How can I
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leave this world a better place, even if I may
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not save the entire world from its demise? What can
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I do to add beauty and goodness to this world now?
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Is what that film was really about, And that point
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was really the pivotal point when I realized, this is
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what I've been put on Planet Earth to do, is
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to build bridges. Is not just to scare people with
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conspiracy content, and not just to like puff people up
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or stroke them off with a lot of New Age content.
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It was really to use art to bridge the gap
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between those the aspects of reality we wish weren't true,
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with the aspects of reality we wish were true and
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really are true, but we don't believe it because we've
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been told that there's a limit to human potential and
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that we are just these minuscule one in seven billion
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01:14:47.359 --> 01:14:50.159
specs on a floating rock in space, you know, blah
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01:14:50.199 --> 01:14:53.760
blah blah. And I started realizing that everything that we
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01:14:53.880 --> 01:14:56.359
were told you can break down. I'm not going to
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say everything's a lie. I think that's a little bit much,
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But I do believe that if you treat everything as
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a potential lie, then you will look deeply into it
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and use your own powers of discernment and your own
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consciousness to really look at something rather than just pass
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it off with somebody else's explanation of it. So to me,
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that's what set me on the path that I'm on now.
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I'm constantly making film, I'm constantly making news content, podcasts,
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what have you. That really circle around that let's not
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01:15:29.279 --> 01:15:32.119
ignore what's going wrong in the world, but let's not
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ignore the fact that science has not closed the book
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on human potential. There's so much more to human potential
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than we've ever given ourselves credit for.
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And I think that this is kind of intentional in
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this community, to get people lost in the conspiratorial waters
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and get so into and deep into some of these
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rabbit holes that they're not focusing on the solutions and
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01:15:57.520 --> 01:16:00.960
what can be done to counter the problem. They're just
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getting stuck in this and it's a kind of a
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repeating pattern that is rampant in you know. I hate
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to say this community, but it is. You know, a
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01:16:08.279 --> 01:16:10.880
lot of people just focus on all these negative things
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01:16:11.279 --> 01:16:14.439
and they bring themselves down because there's two lost and
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all the troubles that are in the world, instead of
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kind of analyzing it and making it understandable and making
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it better for yourself. And I think that's one of
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the huge things that's lost now for me, one of
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the huge parts of my journey when it comes to
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that self realization with psychedelics. And I want to get
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01:16:35.520 --> 01:16:38.239
your take on this. I know you're a film DMT
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quest was amazing, and I've not done DMT yet. I've
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had plenty of psychedelic experiences with LSD, magic mushrooms and
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01:16:47.279 --> 01:16:50.560
a couple of others and very profound experiences.
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I do look forward to.
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Having an eyehuasca journey one day. I just haven't had
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the chance to. But for you, how crucial was psychedelics
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to your journey?
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Oh?
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Man, it was pivotal. It was pivotal. My good friend
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01:17:06.600 --> 01:17:11.960
Dan Engel he's a concussion repair guy. He said it best.
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He's like, there's life before Aya, and there's life after Aya.
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And the thing about ayahuasca that doesn't sum up all psychedelics.
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All psychedelics seem to have the same ability to reliably
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break apart your preconceived notions of what reality actually is.
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Everyone that I know, whether you're an atheist, whether you're spiritual,
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whether you're religious, doesn't matter what background you're coming from.
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Psychedelics seem to show you that you were wrong about
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01:17:45.319 --> 01:17:48.720
a lot, you know, And that also there's this thing
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inside you that has always known we're connected in some way,
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and I just I was worried to say it because
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it sounded too new age. But now I realize, now
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that I've done psychedelics that no, we really are. There's
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this pattern underlying all phenomena in the universe. And so
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it was pivotal for me, and actually it was pivotal
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for me in filmmaking as well. And everything you said
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about the conspiracy community as there's it's the same as
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every community. I'm just gonna tangent real quick. Every community
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has the squeakiest wheel is like the bottom five percent,
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And I don't say this in a derogatory fashion, because
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even college has this. The kids who just get out
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01:18:38.319 --> 01:18:41.520
of college, they have a ton of knowledge and not
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01:18:41.640 --> 01:18:44.039
a lot of wisdom. Right, It's a lot of book smarts,
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but it's not applied, it's not battle tested. And what
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I notice is they have to be the squeakiest wheels,
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they have to be the loudest advocates for it. But
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it's the people who just get into conspiracy that are
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the loudest. They're screaming into me of phones on the street.
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They are, you know, yelling and trolling people's social media accounts.
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And the same goes for psychedelic communities. When people just
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get into the psychedelic community, a lot of what I
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see happened, some of the pitfalls that people go into
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is this. It can bring on this messianic complex, this
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oh my god, I'm a shaman. Oh you just did
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mushrooms once and it's like, I know, but I got
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this download and it's just like okay. But anybody who
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has been in this space for a while knows that
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if you get a download, don't take it so literally
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that you feel like it was a message from God,
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because it could just be a very very clear message
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from part of your higher intelligence. But then you cut
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off transmission and you say, well, I just am that
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now that I've had this experience, I just am that
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messiahs like, no, that is the peak of your potential.
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And it's like, I'm five nine. I could potentially slam
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dunk if I really really tried, right, that's the peak
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01:20:04.239 --> 01:20:08.520
of my potential slam dunk a ten foot rim. But
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I can't do it yet. But if I were to
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see in psychedelics like whoa, I have the power to
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slam dunk, right, And then I go around telling people
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that I can slam dunk and they're like, all right,
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prove it right, and I wouldn't be able to do it.
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And then I say, well, I don't know what's wrong today,
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but I am I am. And this is what I
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notice is that there's this introductory phase where people get
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into things like conspiracy and psychedelics and they have to
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go through this trial phase, this initiation or rite of passage,
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if you will. And what's actually the most important thing
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is the integration process, not getting your mind blown out
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by psychedelics, but battle testing what you've learned in the
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01:20:54.319 --> 01:20:57.880
face of people who haven't had your experience. So this
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is what I noticed when I got into conspiracy is
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I wanted to be the guy at I didn't want
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to be the guy at the party. I just turned
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into the guy at the party where everyone else is
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telling dick and fart jokes, and here I am talking
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about building seven and nine to eleven, you know, and
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01:21:12.680 --> 01:21:14.560
like I'm the guy with the buggy eyes and everyone
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else is just looking for a way out of the conversation.
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It didn't take me very long because I was in
1415
01:21:19.760 --> 01:21:21.920
a band at the time and my band wasn't into
1416
01:21:21.960 --> 01:21:24.680
the stuff that I was talking about. They still loved
1417
01:21:24.760 --> 01:21:27.279
me dearly, but they were like, yo, Ben, you need
1418
01:21:27.359 --> 01:21:30.359
to stop talking sometimes. And that was when it really
1419
01:21:30.439 --> 01:21:33.640
hit me, like, whoa, Okay, there's a way to do this,
1420
01:21:33.840 --> 01:21:35.600
and there's a way not to do this. It's not
1421
01:21:35.840 --> 01:21:39.359
just about like barking out everything you've learned to people.
1422
01:21:39.760 --> 01:21:43.319
So you can be this like hi almighty nowhere And
1423
01:21:43.479 --> 01:21:46.479
that's kind of what That's the link between psychedelics and
1424
01:21:46.560 --> 01:21:51.199
conspiracy that I've come to realize is both can help
1425
01:21:51.680 --> 01:21:55.800
crack open your worldview, both can send you down a
1426
01:21:56.000 --> 01:22:01.359
negative spiral. Both can actually send you up very positive spiral.
1427
01:22:01.840 --> 01:22:04.159
And I'm sure maybe some listeners would be how the
1428
01:22:04.279 --> 01:22:08.960
hell would conspiracy send you on this positive inspiring spiral.
1429
01:22:09.520 --> 01:22:12.359
It's happened to me, it's happened to a ton of
1430
01:22:12.399 --> 01:22:16.039
people who've seen my films. Where if you see it
1431
01:22:16.159 --> 01:22:20.079
and you realize, oh man, this this definitely explains a lot.
1432
01:22:20.680 --> 01:22:25.399
But it you know, it doesn't type cast me. It
1433
01:22:25.520 --> 01:22:29.079
doesn't make me this one in seven billion people. I'm
1434
01:22:29.159 --> 01:22:32.840
just a number. When I saw Zeitgeist, I saw Zeitgeist
1435
01:22:32.920 --> 01:22:37.079
on mushrooms and it woke me up. And the combination
1436
01:22:37.239 --> 01:22:41.159
of psychedelics in a conspiracy film made me into a filmmaker,
1437
01:22:41.560 --> 01:22:44.720
and it made me focus on human potential, not what's
1438
01:22:44.800 --> 01:22:48.439
going wrong like all the time, but focus on human potential.
1439
01:22:49.159 --> 01:22:54.479
So I think psychedelics, I think their power lies in
1440
01:22:56.199 --> 01:22:59.319
breaking down some of the preconceived notions that lock us
1441
01:22:59.439 --> 01:23:02.880
out of the higher realms of our potential. I think
1442
01:23:03.000 --> 01:23:05.880
the problem with psychedelics is the same as the problem
1443
01:23:06.039 --> 01:23:12.479
with conspiracy is sometimes it can lock us into a
1444
01:23:12.680 --> 01:23:17.079
belief structure that the world is just this amorphous blob
1445
01:23:17.239 --> 01:23:19.560
and all this other stuff, and none of the stuff
1446
01:23:19.600 --> 01:23:22.880
we used to believe has any validity. Right when people
1447
01:23:22.920 --> 01:23:25.199
start believing, oh, well, like I can fly, and did
1448
01:23:25.239 --> 01:23:27.520
you know time is just to construct? And like, oh,
1449
01:23:27.600 --> 01:23:30.520
this isn't real, It's just an illusion. Right, walk out
1450
01:23:30.560 --> 01:23:33.239
into oncoming traffic and tell me this is just an illusion.
1451
01:23:33.720 --> 01:23:36.560
Stick your hand in a fire for thirty seconds and
1452
01:23:36.600 --> 01:23:39.119
tell me time is just a construct of your imagination.
1453
01:23:39.920 --> 01:23:43.880
It still has its impact. And psychedelics and conspiracy they
1454
01:23:43.920 --> 01:23:46.199
can lock you into realms or they can crack you
1455
01:23:46.279 --> 01:23:49.079
out of realms. And it all comes down to your intention.
1456
01:23:49.760 --> 01:23:53.960
Do you intend to be taught or do you intend
1457
01:23:54.079 --> 01:23:58.239
to become the messiah that teaches. That's the main It's
1458
01:23:58.319 --> 01:24:03.279
a very wobbly, nice edge that people stand on. Sometimes
1459
01:24:03.359 --> 01:24:06.279
they come out of conspiracy and psychedelics and they're like,
1460
01:24:07.119 --> 01:24:10.520
I know everything now I have to teach everybody. And
1461
01:24:11.039 --> 01:24:13.520
sometimes they go into it and their mind is blown
1462
01:24:13.600 --> 01:24:16.079
and they're like, oh, man, I want to read every
1463
01:24:16.159 --> 01:24:19.960
book under the sun, listen to every podcast, watch every documentary.
1464
01:24:20.279 --> 01:24:22.039
I just want to talk to people. I want to
1465
01:24:22.119 --> 01:24:25.000
hear their feelings. I want to hear it resonating in
1466
01:24:25.039 --> 01:24:28.439
their in their voice. Those are the people that like,
1467
01:24:28.680 --> 01:24:32.239
I jam well with those people. They they realize that
1468
01:24:32.479 --> 01:24:35.239
no matter what, even if you're a sage, even if
1469
01:24:35.279 --> 01:24:38.840
you've read every book you could possibly read on a topic,
1470
01:24:39.079 --> 01:24:43.239
you're still the student. You're not above listening and listening
1471
01:24:43.319 --> 01:24:46.880
well and learning how to listen ever more presently. So
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01:24:47.560 --> 01:24:50.600
I hope I answered your question about psychedelics.
1473
01:24:51.479 --> 01:24:54.680
That I've I've witnessed it myself, and I've gone through
1474
01:24:54.760 --> 01:24:58.560
the experience of, you know, of growing and having a
1475
01:24:58.640 --> 01:25:02.720
new understanding of what the what my experience is on
1476
01:25:02.840 --> 01:25:07.600
this earth and my role, however small it is, amongst
1477
01:25:07.880 --> 01:25:11.399
the role of the masses in our collective consciousness. And
1478
01:25:11.800 --> 01:25:14.880
I realized that after you know, a couple of it's
1479
01:25:14.920 --> 01:25:19.319
like good psychedelic experiences, how you know, I fit into
1480
01:25:19.479 --> 01:25:22.680
a small piece of a larger, much larger picture, and
1481
01:25:22.760 --> 01:25:25.439
it's the same with everybody. And I'm here to learn,
1482
01:25:25.680 --> 01:25:28.640
and that's like, that's the main thing I'm always wanting to,
1483
01:25:28.760 --> 01:25:31.319
you know, absorb new things. And the main thing that
1484
01:25:31.359 --> 01:25:34.199
I always say is, you know, if I believe, if
1485
01:25:34.239 --> 01:25:37.000
I have a theory or I think something may be
1486
01:25:37.239 --> 01:25:41.119
some way, it's probably going to change. And it's you know,
1487
01:25:41.920 --> 01:25:46.279
I'm always definitely open to new ideas and I'm ready
1488
01:25:46.319 --> 01:25:49.520
to have my paradigm shifted if it is indeed, you
1489
01:25:49.600 --> 01:25:54.239
know what needs to be happening, and the information resonates
1490
01:25:54.319 --> 01:25:57.279
with me. So I'm constantly shifting my paradigm when it
1491
01:25:57.359 --> 01:26:00.560
comes to stuff like that. Now, as far as pichedelics
1492
01:26:00.600 --> 01:26:03.840
in their role today and in the future, and why
1493
01:26:05.039 --> 01:26:08.840
those in charge kind of give gave it a bad
1494
01:26:09.000 --> 01:26:13.439
name and Chun died from society, Let's go back a
1495
01:26:13.439 --> 01:26:16.199
little bit to the history. Do you think that psychedelics
1496
01:26:16.279 --> 01:26:18.920
had a large role in human evolution?
1497
01:26:20.960 --> 01:26:22.960
Yeah, man, dude, I mean I could take us through
1498
01:26:23.000 --> 01:26:26.399
a lot of history. It looks like seventy thousand years ago,
1499
01:26:26.520 --> 01:26:30.640
psychotropic berries in a cave where cave paintings were found
1500
01:26:32.239 --> 01:26:37.000
might be some of the earliest remnants of altering our
1501
01:26:37.159 --> 01:26:43.479
state of consciousness in order to access different information. And
1502
01:26:44.279 --> 01:26:48.079
this isn't just psychedelics. We've done this historically with all
1503
01:26:48.159 --> 01:26:50.840
kinds of rites of passages. I mean, you probably know
1504
01:26:51.000 --> 01:26:53.439
if you were to go a couple of days without eating,
1505
01:26:53.520 --> 01:26:55.760
even one day without eating, you're going to alter your
1506
01:26:55.800 --> 01:26:59.640
consciousness because your brain has neurology that changes the way
1507
01:26:59.680 --> 01:27:02.399
you and the way you feel, changes the way that
1508
01:27:02.520 --> 01:27:06.760
you think and the things that you think about. Throughout history,
1509
01:27:07.640 --> 01:27:12.039
tribes have used rites of passages where down in Brazil
1510
01:27:12.119 --> 01:27:14.720
they'll stick their hands into these gloves that have these
1511
01:27:14.800 --> 01:27:17.920
bullet ants and they'll get bit by fifty to one
1512
01:27:18.000 --> 01:27:21.840
hundred bullet ants. That alters their consciousness. They'll go out
1513
01:27:22.439 --> 01:27:25.640
and do a vision quest naked in the woods for
1514
01:27:25.880 --> 01:27:28.319
days and they can't come back to the tribe until
1515
01:27:28.359 --> 01:27:33.079
they catch something or kill a predator. They'll you know,
1516
01:27:33.239 --> 01:27:36.680
the sun dance festival of the Lakota, where they will
1517
01:27:36.720 --> 01:27:41.239
go days dancing in the heat of the sun, no water.
1518
01:27:41.760 --> 01:27:45.239
They'll put spikes through their chest tied to a tree
1519
01:27:45.279 --> 01:27:48.119
and run and then this will rip the muscles of
1520
01:27:48.119 --> 01:27:51.920
their chest out like grotesque stuff. But if you think
1521
01:27:51.960 --> 01:27:55.079
about it, what is the purpose of it, Getting beyond
1522
01:27:55.199 --> 01:27:58.239
the mutilation and getting beyond the why would you starve yourself?
1523
01:27:58.279 --> 01:28:00.319
Why would you go naked into the woods looking for
1524
01:28:00.399 --> 01:28:03.840
an animal to kill. It's the same thing with psychedelics
1525
01:28:04.880 --> 01:28:06.399
altering our consciousness.
1526
01:28:07.159 --> 01:28:08.319
It alters the.
1527
01:28:09.079 --> 01:28:12.640
Environment inside of our body, and the environment inside of
1528
01:28:12.680 --> 01:28:16.000
our body has an electromagnetic signature that bleeds outside of
1529
01:28:16.039 --> 01:28:19.560
our body. And we know that with plants, animals, and
1530
01:28:19.800 --> 01:28:25.239
humans that the environment shapes not just our you know,
1531
01:28:25.520 --> 01:28:29.520
it shapes our genes in a phenotypic way, which means
1532
01:28:29.600 --> 01:28:32.600
like if you were to, you know, take seeds of
1533
01:28:32.720 --> 01:28:35.840
a plant plant one in one country and one in
1534
01:28:35.960 --> 01:28:41.119
another country, they'll grow differently phenotypically because of the region,
1535
01:28:41.239 --> 01:28:43.359
because of the minerals, because of the climate, all that
1536
01:28:43.520 --> 01:28:47.399
kind of stuff. So, yes, everything we've done with our minds,
1537
01:28:47.479 --> 01:28:50.720
with psychedelics, with rights of passages, they've changed who we
1538
01:28:51.000 --> 01:28:55.840
are as humans. War changes who we are. So now
1539
01:28:55.960 --> 01:28:58.000
lead it. All the way up into the nineteen hundreds,
1540
01:28:59.079 --> 01:29:01.760
I'm skipping a lot because there was a lot of
1541
01:29:01.840 --> 01:29:07.119
persecution for specific plants. Even cannabis was at the origin
1542
01:29:07.239 --> 01:29:11.399
of almost every major religion today and is shunned by
1543
01:29:11.479 --> 01:29:14.800
those major religions today, even though it was likely the
1544
01:29:15.000 --> 01:29:19.159
core impetus for the religions to actually have some of
1545
01:29:19.199 --> 01:29:24.840
their major stories. So all the way up into today,
1546
01:29:25.319 --> 01:29:28.720
the world starts becoming more global. In the nineteen hundreds
1547
01:29:29.640 --> 01:29:34.159
late eighteen hundreds, there were ethnobotanists from Europe that were
1548
01:29:34.279 --> 01:29:37.000
going down into South America all throughout the rest of
1549
01:29:37.039 --> 01:29:41.600
the world and finding ibogaine in Africa, ayahuasca and South America,
1550
01:29:42.640 --> 01:29:47.520
mushrooms in Oajaca, Mexico, different kinds of mushrooms for the
1551
01:29:47.640 --> 01:29:54.079
Siberians out in the Siberian Plateau. And once there was
1552
01:29:54.199 --> 01:29:58.000
this understanding where all this information like data think of
1553
01:29:58.079 --> 01:30:02.680
data collection today, of all these psychedelic plants were finally
1554
01:30:02.760 --> 01:30:07.720
starting to circle in the scientific communities, and the scientific
1555
01:30:07.760 --> 01:30:12.319
communities were in bed with the Rockefellers, the Rothschild some
1556
01:30:12.399 --> 01:30:16.720
of the biggest financial interests, and at that time it
1557
01:30:16.840 --> 01:30:20.000
started to be realized that there are these very powerful
1558
01:30:20.199 --> 01:30:24.399
class of plants called psychedelics, and we need to understand
1559
01:30:24.479 --> 01:30:24.840
them more.
1560
01:30:25.760 --> 01:30:25.800
So.
1561
01:30:25.960 --> 01:30:28.880
The first thing that I believe was done was in
1562
01:30:29.479 --> 01:30:32.520
It was even before the nineteen seventies, but nineteen seventy
1563
01:30:32.600 --> 01:30:38.199
one was when Richard Nixon passed the Controlled Substances Act.
1564
01:30:39.279 --> 01:30:41.159
This made all.
1565
01:30:41.079 --> 01:30:45.159
Psychedelics more illegal than some of the most damaging drugs
1566
01:30:45.199 --> 01:30:48.720
out there, like you know, cannabis became more illegal than cocaine.
1567
01:30:49.800 --> 01:30:54.600
And I think the reason for this was because not
1568
01:30:54.960 --> 01:30:57.800
for care of our mental health or you know, because
1569
01:30:57.840 --> 01:31:01.239
we might become addicts. I think it's because it's understood
1570
01:31:01.279 --> 01:31:05.319
that these were very powerful healing modalities and the roth
1571
01:31:05.840 --> 01:31:09.720
or the Rockefellers had just taken homeopathy and turned it
1572
01:31:09.840 --> 01:31:15.119
into allopathic medicine just a few decades before. So there's
1573
01:31:15.279 --> 01:31:18.079
all of a sudden, these this magic class of plants
1574
01:31:18.159 --> 01:31:21.199
that we need to study before people get their hands
1575
01:31:21.239 --> 01:31:22.720
on it and it gets out of our hand, it
1576
01:31:22.760 --> 01:31:25.760
gets out of our control, so they lock it down
1577
01:31:25.840 --> 01:31:28.720
for a while. And I guarantee you it was being
1578
01:31:28.840 --> 01:31:32.960
studied by the Department of the Army, the Navy. It was,
1579
01:31:33.239 --> 01:31:36.199
you know, being studied by the CIA. It was definitely
1580
01:31:36.279 --> 01:31:39.039
being sprayed over France by the CIA here in the
1581
01:31:39.159 --> 01:31:43.439
United States, over a town in France where LSD was
1582
01:31:43.479 --> 01:31:45.720
sprayed over them. They thought they were going insane. Many
1583
01:31:45.760 --> 01:31:49.199
people were hospitalized. Then it was declassified later that the
1584
01:31:49.279 --> 01:31:52.600
CIA had done it. So they were testing this out
1585
01:31:52.720 --> 01:31:55.439
to see how could this be weaponized? How could this
1586
01:31:55.600 --> 01:32:00.319
be not just weaponized as in the military will use it,
1587
01:32:01.000 --> 01:32:04.439
but once things become weaponized and then it's it's so
1588
01:32:06.279 --> 01:32:09.520
well crafted, then you can turn it into the nineteen
1589
01:32:09.560 --> 01:32:12.319
eighty four and brave New World kind of weapon where
1590
01:32:12.479 --> 01:32:17.800
it's commercialized, weaponized, then commercialized, and then brought to market
1591
01:32:18.039 --> 01:32:21.159
as a safe thing that we all can do. It
1592
01:32:21.359 --> 01:32:24.479
wasn't safe before when the Indigenous we're doing it for
1593
01:32:25.399 --> 01:32:29.359
up to five, ten, fifteen thousand years with very low
1594
01:32:29.479 --> 01:32:35.239
casualty rate, very high success rate and in like massive
1595
01:32:36.439 --> 01:32:41.560
generations of empirical wisdom. But now it's safe because white
1596
01:32:41.640 --> 01:32:44.199
people in white lab coats have studied it for the
1597
01:32:44.239 --> 01:32:48.760
past thirty years. Right, And so now I bring you
1598
01:32:48.840 --> 01:32:51.439
through this history to tell you where psychedelics are going.
1599
01:32:51.880 --> 01:32:56.279
If people haven't asked themselves why psychedelics have been picked
1600
01:32:56.359 --> 01:33:00.720
up by IPOs publicly traded companies for the past five
1601
01:33:00.880 --> 01:33:05.159
ten years. Same thing with cannabis, but psychedelics, all these
1602
01:33:05.600 --> 01:33:10.239
companies started becoming IPOs publicly traded psychedelic companies where they're
1603
01:33:10.279 --> 01:33:16.399
trying to refine the molecule, amplify it, put it into
1604
01:33:16.479 --> 01:33:18.920
a patch, or put it into a pill, and then
1605
01:33:19.039 --> 01:33:22.439
basically say, look what we discovered even though the indigenous
1606
01:33:22.520 --> 01:33:26.159
discovered it long ago. We performed genocide, we took all
1607
01:33:26.199 --> 01:33:29.319
their resources, and now we're repackaging it to say, look
1608
01:33:29.359 --> 01:33:33.840
at this great brand new psychological psychological mental health medicine
1609
01:33:33.840 --> 01:33:36.960
that we have now. So the future of it. I
1610
01:33:37.039 --> 01:33:39.039
brought you through a lot of history. Now the future
1611
01:33:39.119 --> 01:33:42.880
of it is the Metaverse, and I sent you an
1612
01:33:42.960 --> 01:33:45.960
article right before we got on, and it's.
1613
01:33:45.880 --> 01:33:48.439
This article that's that in the description for anybody that
1614
01:33:48.520 --> 01:33:50.199
wants to see that while listening.
1615
01:33:50.840 --> 01:33:54.399
Perfect And this is just one article. I was calling
1616
01:33:54.439 --> 01:33:58.600
this out on the Tim Poole or timcast Irl show
1617
01:33:59.319 --> 01:34:02.000
a while ago, and then I start seeing articles about it.
1618
01:34:02.640 --> 01:34:06.880
The metaverse is more than just virtual reality. It's virtual
1619
01:34:07.560 --> 01:34:10.760
town squares where you get to hang out, so you're
1620
01:34:10.840 --> 01:34:14.960
not just in it with you know, non player characters
1621
01:34:15.000 --> 01:34:20.039
where everybody is literally programmed by a human. Many of
1622
01:34:20.119 --> 01:34:22.399
them can be humans. And you can be anywhere. You
1623
01:34:22.439 --> 01:34:25.399
can be on Mars, you can be in the Grand Canyon,
1624
01:34:25.439 --> 01:34:28.119
you can be wherever you want. You can be in
1625
01:34:28.239 --> 01:34:33.880
fantasy worlds, fully immersed with not just heads up display
1626
01:34:34.119 --> 01:34:37.279
you know, these goggles that you put on, but also
1627
01:34:38.359 --> 01:34:42.399
in the ears as well, and then haptic suits, which
1628
01:34:42.680 --> 01:34:46.079
are these vibratory suits that make it feel like if
1629
01:34:46.119 --> 01:34:49.119
somebody hits you, the haptic suit can send a signal
1630
01:34:49.159 --> 01:34:51.760
to that very spot on your body so it feels
1631
01:34:51.840 --> 01:34:56.279
more real. And then on top of that, now enter
1632
01:34:56.439 --> 01:34:59.279
in these patches that you can put on somebody's arm.
1633
01:35:00.119 --> 01:35:03.000
That is a cocktail of MDMA ketamine and a little
1634
01:35:03.000 --> 01:35:06.239
bit of mushrooms and you put this transdermal patch and
1635
01:35:06.319 --> 01:35:09.079
it goes into your system, and it says about fifteen
1636
01:35:09.119 --> 01:35:11.920
minutes after you put the patch on, put the headphones on,
1637
01:35:12.439 --> 01:35:16.600
put you know, put the the the virtual reality goggles on,
1638
01:35:16.720 --> 01:35:19.600
put your haptic suit on, and lay back, and then
1639
01:35:19.680 --> 01:35:24.520
you have this wild psychedelic experience in a world that's
1640
01:35:24.600 --> 01:35:28.439
not real. So now you've just changed what you were
1641
01:35:28.479 --> 01:35:32.680
asking me. If psychedelics have been any kind of an
1642
01:35:32.720 --> 01:35:37.760
impetus for human evolution, Yes, because psychedelics and psychotropics make
1643
01:35:37.840 --> 01:35:42.439
you more suggestible to input. When you're more suggestible to input,
1644
01:35:42.840 --> 01:35:46.159
you're less likely to reject something as not real. You know,
1645
01:35:46.239 --> 01:35:49.000
if you were to get an ear piercing. Sometimes people's
1646
01:35:49.039 --> 01:35:53.199
bodies can reject it. Sometimes people's bodies accept it. In
1647
01:35:53.359 --> 01:35:57.840
that same scenario, if the virtual reality world you're in,
1648
01:35:58.239 --> 01:36:01.119
you're like, yeah, this is this is it's almost real.
1649
01:36:01.199 --> 01:36:03.840
It's better than Nintendo way back when this is a
1650
01:36:03.920 --> 01:36:06.000
lot more real. But I'm still not buying it. Oh
1651
01:36:06.399 --> 01:36:09.439
you haven't put on the haptic suit and the MDMA
1652
01:36:09.640 --> 01:36:12.039
patch to make you feel like, oh fuck, I don't
1653
01:36:12.039 --> 01:36:13.520
care if this is real, This is better than the
1654
01:36:13.600 --> 01:36:16.199
real world, and then all of a sudden people start
1655
01:36:16.279 --> 01:36:22.159
having these peak moments, these transcendental mystical types of experiences
1656
01:36:22.840 --> 01:36:28.520
not in nature. So that is now changing potentially seventy
1657
01:36:28.600 --> 01:36:32.359
thousand plus years of evolution, where we have done these
1658
01:36:32.479 --> 01:36:37.880
plants in the womb of nature, where nature is all
1659
01:36:37.960 --> 01:36:41.119
around us. We're hearing the crickets, those frequencies that they
1660
01:36:41.279 --> 01:36:45.600
give off, the frogs, the animals, the wind on us.
1661
01:36:45.800 --> 01:36:49.199
Now take all that away. You're in a controlled climate environment.
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01:36:49.600 --> 01:36:51.680
You just have all this gadgetry hooked up to you
1663
01:36:51.880 --> 01:36:54.399
sounding like the matrix, isn't it, and you have this
1664
01:36:54.880 --> 01:37:00.680
patch that changes your hormonal and neurological makeup in order
1665
01:37:00.760 --> 01:37:04.399
for it to be more real. That's where I'll leave it,
1666
01:37:04.880 --> 01:37:07.560
because I'm sure everyone can tell where I'm going with this.
1667
01:37:08.000 --> 01:37:11.319
That's absolutely terrifying. Now I want to bring it a
1668
01:37:11.359 --> 01:37:13.880
few steps further and maybe branch out into some different
1669
01:37:13.920 --> 01:37:16.920
directions from there. All right, So I was going to
1670
01:37:17.000 --> 01:37:21.760
ask you about your thoughts on entity contact and psychedelics
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01:37:21.840 --> 01:37:23.840
and whether these entities you kind of touched on it
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01:37:23.880 --> 01:37:26.880
earlier would be our higher selves are something outside of that.
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01:37:27.039 --> 01:37:29.359
Now if it is something outside of that add in
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01:37:29.520 --> 01:37:33.000
everything you're saying, and what could be the possibilities in
1675
01:37:33.159 --> 01:37:33.800
that scenario.
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01:37:33.960 --> 01:37:34.760
What do you think about that?
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01:37:36.159 --> 01:37:37.399
That was a very interesting question.
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01:37:37.640 --> 01:37:39.520
I believe that.
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01:37:41.239 --> 01:37:47.199
At a certain level, everything is connected. So everything you encounter,
1680
01:37:47.680 --> 01:37:51.159
and this is going to like you know, Taoism all
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01:37:51.199 --> 01:37:54.199
the way to the deepest philosophies of what reality is
1682
01:37:55.600 --> 01:37:59.439
my deep understanding through experience, And I'm not saying that
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01:37:59.560 --> 01:38:02.479
means it right, That just means it's been fortified by
1684
01:38:03.199 --> 01:38:07.479
decades of experience with this philosophy. Is that the deeper
1685
01:38:07.680 --> 01:38:13.760
I look at this philosophy, it may change cloaks or garments,
1686
01:38:14.319 --> 01:38:17.560
but it really starts getting deeper and deeper that we
1687
01:38:17.640 --> 01:38:20.279
are all connected. So let's say you were to do
1688
01:38:20.439 --> 01:38:23.479
DMT and you have this experience that many people have had,
1689
01:38:24.560 --> 01:38:29.319
insectoid types of beings, clockwork, elves, different kinds of entities
1690
01:38:29.399 --> 01:38:34.359
that seem vastly more intelligent. Sorry if you can hear that,
1691
01:38:34.520 --> 01:38:38.079
that's they just start to mowing the lawn right outside.
1692
01:38:38.479 --> 01:38:43.560
Really okay, good, vastly higher intelligence. These beings seem to
1693
01:38:43.640 --> 01:38:49.159
have and reliably brought about by smoking DMT, sometimes by
1694
01:38:49.359 --> 01:38:53.399
ingesting DMT with an maoi like ayahuasca. That allows it
1695
01:38:53.479 --> 01:38:55.800
to pass through the liver without breaking down the DMT,
1696
01:38:56.359 --> 01:38:57.920
so it can make it to the brain and give
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01:38:57.960 --> 01:39:02.720
you that DMT experience stretched out. Sometimes on ayahuasca, which
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01:39:02.800 --> 01:39:05.439
the very last time I had ayahuasca, I did have
1699
01:39:05.640 --> 01:39:10.039
experience with some insectoid, praying mantis types of beings. The
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01:39:10.119 --> 01:39:16.640
way that I perceive that is on some level they
1701
01:39:16.720 --> 01:39:19.199
are separate from me, because I get to witness them
1702
01:39:19.319 --> 01:39:24.359
as separate beings. But on the truest, most fundamental level,
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01:39:24.600 --> 01:39:27.760
they're not separate from me. So it is an aspect
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01:39:27.840 --> 01:39:30.680
of my higher self, because my higher self is the
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01:39:30.920 --> 01:39:34.960
one phenomena that's happening in the universe. There's only one thing,
1706
01:39:35.000 --> 01:39:39.039
and that's that my truest, deepest belief. Now with that,
1707
01:39:40.760 --> 01:39:45.079
the contact with these beings is getting pretty interesting, all
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01:39:45.079 --> 01:39:49.039
the way to the fact that Imperial College London is
1709
01:39:51.079 --> 01:39:54.239
they've already conducted several studies. But it's called extended state
1710
01:39:54.359 --> 01:40:01.159
DMT where people are injected infused with a an anesthesiology
1711
01:40:01.279 --> 01:40:04.119
machine I think it's called the Henry Boyle machine, and
1712
01:40:04.239 --> 01:40:09.840
it infuses you with a certain dosage, a loading dose
1713
01:40:09.880 --> 01:40:13.399
at first, and then a maintenance dose afterwards to keep
1714
01:40:13.520 --> 01:40:15.960
you in the DMT state for as long as you
1715
01:40:16.000 --> 01:40:18.600
want to be there. Now, for those who don't understand,
1716
01:40:21.119 --> 01:40:26.479
DMT has like a fifteen minute duration sometimes for people
1717
01:40:26.520 --> 01:40:30.880
who are super sensitive, maybe twenty minute duration. And a
1718
01:40:30.960 --> 01:40:33.560
lot of people who have had these experiences with these
1719
01:40:33.960 --> 01:40:37.199
entities and these beings they come to find that it's like,
1720
01:40:38.680 --> 01:40:41.800
just as I start establishing contact, I'm ripped out of
1721
01:40:41.880 --> 01:40:44.520
the experience because the DMT experience.
1722
01:40:44.199 --> 01:40:44.720
Is so short.
1723
01:40:45.760 --> 01:40:49.319
So for a while people have been documenting this. There's
1724
01:40:49.399 --> 01:40:53.520
trip reports, thousands and thousands of trip reports online on
1725
01:40:53.840 --> 01:40:57.439
erwid and on other I think trip report dot com,
1726
01:40:57.960 --> 01:41:00.359
where you can see people are saying this is more
1727
01:41:00.439 --> 01:41:03.039
real than real. And I'm coming back with information even
1728
01:41:03.199 --> 01:41:06.479
just like little tidbits of information that there's no way
1729
01:41:06.560 --> 01:41:08.960
I could have known, and then I battle test it
1730
01:41:09.039 --> 01:41:13.439
and it really seems like, yeah, this information is factual
1731
01:41:13.520 --> 01:41:17.960
in a philosophical sense, so almost like remote viewing, but
1732
01:41:18.239 --> 01:41:22.159
you know, not about like specific details. So thousands and
1733
01:41:22.239 --> 01:41:24.239
thousands of people are talking about this all the way
1734
01:41:24.279 --> 01:41:28.359
to where Imperial College London and Johns Hopkins University are
1735
01:41:28.439 --> 01:41:32.600
stepping into this kind of research. Now I have to
1736
01:41:32.680 --> 01:41:36.680
preface this by saying that I'm sure that many of
1737
01:41:36.760 --> 01:41:41.000
them are very interested in the potential reality that there
1738
01:41:41.039 --> 01:41:45.560
are beings that we're actually connecting to. So Johns Hopkins
1739
01:41:45.640 --> 01:41:49.520
Imperial College, London, they want to know for sure, and
1740
01:41:49.880 --> 01:41:52.399
they're doing this extended state DMT to keep people in
1741
01:41:52.479 --> 01:41:54.800
DMT for long periods of time so they can come
1742
01:41:54.840 --> 01:41:58.319
back with more information. There's two elements to this. One
1743
01:41:58.600 --> 01:42:03.439
is this idea that there's a fixed, concrete, external reality
1744
01:42:03.560 --> 01:42:06.760
that we're all independent consciousnesses and if we can come
1745
01:42:06.840 --> 01:42:09.279
into contact, then it's like, oh, you found their phone number,
1746
01:42:09.560 --> 01:42:15.279
you connected with the manted beings from you whatever constellation.
1747
01:42:16.760 --> 01:42:20.479
We need that information because it's specific and concrete and
1748
01:42:20.680 --> 01:42:24.399
external to us, meaning it exists regardless of whether we exist.
1749
01:42:24.960 --> 01:42:29.760
That's one worldview and philosophy. I believe there's a simultaneous
1750
01:42:29.760 --> 01:42:34.600
philosophy at these very universities that believes that it doesn't
1751
01:42:34.720 --> 01:42:38.760
matter whether these are actual beings or just a consistent
1752
01:42:38.960 --> 01:42:43.039
archetypal phenomena that a lot of people are having. We
1753
01:42:43.239 --> 01:42:46.159
can use it. We can use this information. So if
1754
01:42:46.199 --> 01:42:49.720
a bunch of people are having these archetypal insectoid or
1755
01:42:50.079 --> 01:42:53.319
light beings that are talking to them. If a lot
1756
01:42:53.359 --> 01:42:56.680
of people are having similar experiences, that means we can
1757
01:42:56.960 --> 01:43:00.279
use whatever they come back with and tell us as
1758
01:43:00.359 --> 01:43:04.520
a way to mold and shape human psychology, because the
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01:43:04.600 --> 01:43:09.920
more we understand human psychology, regardless of its factual basis
1760
01:43:10.039 --> 01:43:13.359
in an external, concrete reality, If a lot of people
1761
01:43:13.359 --> 01:43:16.279
are having the experience, we can use it. We can
1762
01:43:16.359 --> 01:43:19.600
put an algorithm around it to extract all the data
1763
01:43:19.680 --> 01:43:21.920
and all the connections we can find from it and
1764
01:43:22.119 --> 01:43:25.720
potentially weaponize it. And then once we refine it even more,
1765
01:43:26.079 --> 01:43:28.800
then we can commercialize it. You notice I keep coming
1766
01:43:28.880 --> 01:43:33.279
back to the stepping stone process. First, you shut shit down.
1767
01:43:34.079 --> 01:43:37.560
Nobody's allowed to look at this because it's bad for you. Oh,
1768
01:43:37.640 --> 01:43:39.840
but we're going to study it. And then what are
1769
01:43:39.880 --> 01:43:41.319
we going to do when we study it? And I'm
1770
01:43:41.319 --> 01:43:44.560
talking about elite control groups. I'm not just talking about governments.
1771
01:43:44.600 --> 01:43:50.199
I'm talking about elite powers. So even private powers, they
1772
01:43:50.319 --> 01:43:53.960
study it, they find out how to weaponize it, they
1773
01:43:54.039 --> 01:43:57.600
find out how to commercialize it, as in products and
1774
01:43:57.640 --> 01:44:00.479
stuff like that. But the weaponization of it doesn't go
1775
01:44:00.600 --> 01:44:04.039
away once it turns into the Psychedelics are the new
1776
01:44:04.199 --> 01:44:08.640
mental health cure, Like it's the new mental health revolution.
1777
01:44:09.359 --> 01:44:12.000
That sounds like all these interests are really trying to
1778
01:44:12.840 --> 01:44:16.600
solve mental health, and a part of that is true.
1779
01:44:17.319 --> 01:44:19.520
But I would say the deepest part of that is
1780
01:44:19.640 --> 01:44:23.439
once you've weaponized it, you understand the human psychemore. And
1781
01:44:23.560 --> 01:44:27.079
now you get people on these suggestible pills, you've dosed
1782
01:44:27.119 --> 01:44:29.560
it right, so you know exactly how much they're taking.
1783
01:44:30.119 --> 01:44:32.399
And now let me just take it one step further.
1784
01:44:32.520 --> 01:44:34.199
Have you heard of the Internet of bodies?
1785
01:44:35.199 --> 01:44:36.119
No? I have not.
1786
01:44:36.399 --> 01:44:40.079
Okay, So the Internet of things is the connection between
1787
01:44:40.279 --> 01:44:45.600
like your phone, your tablet, your computer, the cloud, other
1788
01:44:45.680 --> 01:44:49.520
people's computers. That's the Internet of things, like everything through
1789
01:44:49.560 --> 01:44:53.279
the five G grid, connected and communicating in real time
1790
01:44:53.760 --> 01:44:56.199
to the point where people's catch up bottles or their
1791
01:44:56.279 --> 01:45:00.439
refrigerators are monitoring what's in the refrigerator, all the way
1792
01:45:00.520 --> 01:45:03.640
to this thing called the Internet of bodies, which are
1793
01:45:05.159 --> 01:45:10.159
wearables like fitbits, Apple watches that kind of like check
1794
01:45:11.039 --> 01:45:14.319
on your vital statistics and send that to the cloud,
1795
01:45:15.159 --> 01:45:19.399
or wearables like let's say, a device that connects your
1796
01:45:19.439 --> 01:45:23.319
head in transcranial magnetic stimulation that connects with your neurology,
1797
01:45:23.840 --> 01:45:26.279
or pills that you take a pill and it has
1798
01:45:26.359 --> 01:45:29.680
a little device inside of it that once you've swallowed it,
1799
01:45:29.920 --> 01:45:33.000
it signals out to your doctor to tell your doctor
1800
01:45:33.479 --> 01:45:37.520
you've you know, this patient has taken his medicine or
1801
01:45:37.560 --> 01:45:41.079
her medicine. And there's people in the World Economic Forum
1802
01:45:41.159 --> 01:45:43.239
that are really really pushing for this. So that's the
1803
01:45:43.359 --> 01:45:46.479
Internet of bodies to make sure that you've taken your medicine,
1804
01:45:46.720 --> 01:45:49.640
to send your vital statistics without you having to do
1805
01:45:49.800 --> 01:45:56.479
anything to the cloud, to an external data congregating industry.
1806
01:45:57.840 --> 01:46:02.600
With that, there's one other element of this smart pacemakers.
1807
01:46:03.680 --> 01:46:09.600
Pacemaker of this guy in Ohio, he lit his house
1808
01:46:09.680 --> 01:46:15.359
on fire and to collect insurance, and his pacemaker was
1809
01:46:16.079 --> 01:46:18.800
able to testify against him in the court to show
1810
01:46:18.880 --> 01:46:22.279
that he was the arsonist. Holy shit, it's in his
1811
01:46:22.439 --> 01:46:25.359
body and it's testifying against him. This is a brand
1812
01:46:25.399 --> 01:46:28.399
new world that we're living in. So now go back
1813
01:46:28.479 --> 01:46:31.720
to this what I was saying about psychedelics. Imagine these
1814
01:46:32.239 --> 01:46:36.560
multi billion and one day multi trillion dollar psychedelic companies
1815
01:46:36.840 --> 01:46:40.920
publicly traded companies. And when I say publicly traded, do
1816
01:46:41.000 --> 01:46:43.840
you know what that means? That means about thirteen companies
1817
01:46:44.000 --> 01:46:47.800
owned the dominant share thirteen companies, with maybe about one
1818
01:46:47.880 --> 01:46:51.680
hundred two hundred people making the decisions for everything that's
1819
01:46:51.680 --> 01:46:57.239
publicly traded thirteen to seventeen companies. So with that being said,
1820
01:46:57.800 --> 01:47:03.720
now the financial class, the predominant financial class, is able
1821
01:47:03.840 --> 01:47:07.319
to tell if you've taken your psychedelic medicine or not,
1822
01:47:08.079 --> 01:47:10.600
and if you haven't, next time you go to the doctor,
1823
01:47:10.600 --> 01:47:13.199
the ducks says, why haven't you been taking your medicine
1824
01:47:13.439 --> 01:47:16.920
and tries to encourage you to get onto a regular schedule.
1825
01:47:17.479 --> 01:47:20.479
The biggest problem that I see with this is just
1826
01:47:20.680 --> 01:47:24.159
read nineteen eighty four, read Brave New World, watch the
1827
01:47:24.279 --> 01:47:31.159
movie is It The Island with Ewan McGregor and Scarlett Johansson,
1828
01:47:31.479 --> 01:47:35.760
where they're like they're clones grown underground and then when
1829
01:47:35.800 --> 01:47:37.239
they think, oh we get to get out of here,
1830
01:47:37.279 --> 01:47:39.800
we're going to the island, but they're really just being
1831
01:47:39.840 --> 01:47:45.680
harvested for their parts. So every time Ewan McGregor would
1832
01:47:45.720 --> 01:47:49.159
go and take a piss, the smart toilet, which Stanford
1833
01:47:49.279 --> 01:47:51.960
University is working on now and just about has it
1834
01:47:52.119 --> 01:47:56.199
ready for market. Every time Ewan McGregor would piss into
1835
01:47:56.239 --> 01:47:58.840
the smart toilet, the smart toilet would talk back to
1836
01:47:58.920 --> 01:48:00.800
him and be like, it looks like you're eating a
1837
01:48:00.840 --> 01:48:03.079
bit too much sodium, it looks like you didn't take
1838
01:48:03.119 --> 01:48:05.800
your pills yesterday. It looks like blah blah blah blah blah.
1839
01:48:05.920 --> 01:48:10.119
So now you have AI reporting on you if you
1840
01:48:10.279 --> 01:48:15.119
don't take your medicine. So this is the direction I
1841
01:48:15.159 --> 01:48:18.239
feel that we're getting into, especially with the World Economic
1842
01:48:18.359 --> 01:48:22.399
Forum and where they're headed into this. You'll own nothing
1843
01:48:22.439 --> 01:48:25.640
and you'll be happy about it. That's really the subscription
1844
01:48:25.760 --> 01:48:30.359
based model. Everyone has Spotify now barely anyone buys their music,
1845
01:48:30.640 --> 01:48:34.680
meaning if at any point Spotify decides to cancel you,
1846
01:48:35.039 --> 01:48:37.000
which if you think, oh, they would never do that,
1847
01:48:37.479 --> 01:48:41.680
think again. All companies that are subscription based models, meaning
1848
01:48:42.159 --> 01:48:45.359
they own everything of theirs. You get access to it
1849
01:48:45.479 --> 01:48:48.039
if you pay monthly, but as soon as they decide
1850
01:48:48.239 --> 01:48:51.000
you're not worthy, they can cancel you. All that money
1851
01:48:51.039 --> 01:48:54.199
you paid, you don't get any of that product. You
1852
01:48:54.359 --> 01:48:56.800
only get the memory of the experience you had with them.
1853
01:48:57.159 --> 01:48:59.760
So now we're stepping into this world where everything's subscription.
1854
01:49:00.520 --> 01:49:04.520
Everything is controlled by the financial class, monitored through data
1855
01:49:04.840 --> 01:49:07.520
and monitored through the five G grid and the Internet
1856
01:49:07.560 --> 01:49:09.479
of things, all the way down to the internet of
1857
01:49:09.680 --> 01:49:13.119
bionano things which get inside your body and report on
1858
01:49:13.239 --> 01:49:16.720
you from a nanostructure inside your body. So I know,
1859
01:49:16.840 --> 01:49:18.880
I took that from psychedelics all the way down to
1860
01:49:18.920 --> 01:49:23.000
the nanostructure of the body. But this is where colonization
1861
01:49:23.479 --> 01:49:26.880
is headed. Colonization isn't just white people came over to
1862
01:49:26.920 --> 01:49:30.359
the New World and exterminated you know, brown and red people.
1863
01:49:30.920 --> 01:49:33.199
This is getting all the way down to your psyche
1864
01:49:33.560 --> 01:49:36.960
and the nanostructure of your DNA and your cellular biology
1865
01:49:37.079 --> 01:49:42.840
is being colonized. Psychedelics are helping you become suggestible. And
1866
01:49:43.079 --> 01:49:46.720
I am a firm advocate of psychedelics done in their
1867
01:49:46.800 --> 01:49:50.920
indigenous original container. I am not a fan of what
1868
01:49:51.000 --> 01:49:55.439
I'm seeing happening with psychedelics through IPOs because they're not
1869
01:49:55.560 --> 01:49:58.439
respecting any of the history, and in fact, they want
1870
01:49:58.479 --> 01:50:00.840
to erase the history. We want to make it seem
1871
01:50:01.439 --> 01:50:04.720
and I'm making a blanket statement here, so I want
1872
01:50:04.760 --> 01:50:08.600
to be honest about that. I haven't researched every single company,
1873
01:50:08.880 --> 01:50:11.239
but I would hazard to say that it doesn't matter
1874
01:50:11.319 --> 01:50:14.079
what company you go to and what their ethos is,
1875
01:50:14.479 --> 01:50:18.079
they're under the thumb of those seventeen you know, thirteen
1876
01:50:18.159 --> 01:50:23.920
to seventeen companies that control the entire financial class. That's
1877
01:50:24.000 --> 01:50:27.600
the world that we're finding ourselves in. Psychedelics are no psychedelics.
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I'm trying to get people to wake up to this
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without what we were talking about at the beginning, this
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conspiracy thing, thinking Oh my god, the world and the
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problems of the world are too big for me. I'm
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just this little one and seven billion, little speck of dust.
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I'm trying to get people to wake up to what's
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actually happening in the world so then we can step
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up into our potential. And there's reason to do it.
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Like if you're comfy, if you're fat and lazy on
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your sofa, netflixing and chilling all the time, there's nothing
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that's pressuring you to step into your potential. So I'm
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actually saying that all these things I'm talking about, the
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conspiracy in the world is a good thing, but only
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if we utilize it for the potential that it holds.
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If we acknowledge shit, something must be done. This is
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something that we need to wake up to and then
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we step up into our potential because there's a reason
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we want future generations to have more freedom than we
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have today. We don't want this general trend towards an
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erosion of our freedoms to where everything is a subscription
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based model. We don't want that for our children. That's
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my inspiration to step into my higher potential for my
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children and their children and their children.
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Right on, man one hundred percent.
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Now, I want to get to the connections to human
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health and pharmaceuticals in our whole medical industry and how
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it's basically kind of grooming us to this metaverse age
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that you're talking about, this transhuman age that we're going to.
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But first you mentioned how you know that the natural psychedelics, well,
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for me, the natural psychedelics have a major I notice
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a major difference between them. So say magic mushrooms, you know,
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those have always been my go to because it's a
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spiritual experience for me. Every time I feel like it's
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a spiritual experience, I learned something. Whenever I get in
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touch with my higher self, it actually encourages me to
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take care of childhood trauma, to research things that have
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happened in my past, to you know, work on myself,
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and it's a.
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Much more spiritual experience.
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And say LSD when I've taken LSD in the past,
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it's like, you know, makes me want to go out
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and party or two, like, you know, hang out with
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friends or to a dance club or something stupid, you know,
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something that kind of connects me into the material world.
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And you know, I'm wondering these new kind of cocktails
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that you're talking about that they're wanting to implement, what
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that could do to the human psyche as far as
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maybe pulling us away from the spiritual aspects that we
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seek in nature when we're doing these more natural psychedelics
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like ayahuasca or magic mushrooms.
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Yeah, you know, this is a really interesting territory to
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get into because there's two elements to this. I totally agree.
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You know, LSD does not have the same depth to
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it that mushrooms or ayahuasca does. However, it's not that
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it can't. Like I've had, I've had profoundly transformative experiences
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on LSD, but I was ready for it, and it's
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not always you can't always get there. The one thing
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that I want to say is there is this thing
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about the passage of time where the old world we
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are rapidly leaving the old world, and it breaks my
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heart that if you look at what spirituality has almost
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throughout time been connected with nature, the elements, the earth,
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the trees, the plants, the animals, their meaning, their significance.
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And what we're talking about is when you do a psychedelic,
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you're really looking at things in a novel way and
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you really like, let's say our ancestors, they would, you know,
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take some psilocybin mushrooms, and I mean this could even
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been like one hundred thousand years ago. Takes some psilocybin
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mushrooms and then all of a sudden they see an eagle, right,
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a bald eagle, and this eagle swoops down and it
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picks up a fish from the water, and it goes
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up to a tree and it sits there and it
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perches and it starts eating that fish. Under the influence
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of a psychedelic, you can look into that and being like, whoa,
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I understand this in the whole new level that these
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creatures from the sky, you know, you know, can move
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down into the water to catch their food, and the
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water element like what is it? It's always flowing, it's
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always taking the form of whatever vessel that it's in,
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and the same with the air on the outside, and
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like you know, there's these creatures that their wings back
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the air and they come down and they eat these
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these creatures that their fins flap the water, but not
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the other way around. You're not seeing fish eat birds
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like this is an interesting phenomenon. They're breaking down the meaning.
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You see.
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What's happening is a psychological process of teasing apart the
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meaning of an event that that individual witnessed. And this
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gives rise to all these totem meanings of animals or
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animal cards or divination and ways of teasing apart meaning
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that's already in front of us, like taro. I don't
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know if you know this, but taro is not predictive
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of the future. It's reflective of your consciousness. So if
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you do a taro spread, yeah, like it's a lot
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of people, will you know dismiss taro thinking that it's
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just it doesn't have any intelligence. Well, intelligent people made this,
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and these are archetypal aspects of this multi dimensional prism
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called life. And when you take these cards and you
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reflect upon the symbols and you read the meaning of it,
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you're discerning it based upon your context. So I need
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to give that kind of preface to say that when
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you take psychedelics and then you go into the metaverse,
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you can still go through that process. Being detached from
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nature doesn't mean that your process of discernment is down
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or offline. You can still go into that process of discernment.
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But there's a difference. The difference is you see an
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eagle in the metaverse come and pick up this fish
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and go and eat it, same exact experience. And some
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part of you knows human programmed this, right, it's not
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a mystery. A human programmed this. Now, maybe one hundred
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thousand years in the future we come, we forget that.
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You know, the metaverse and all these things didn't just happen,
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didn't just grow out of nature. Humans built it, which
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I guess could be looked at has grown out of nature.
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So the interesting thing about it is is like we
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are separating ourselves from nature, and with the five G
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grid going up, we're gonna start seeing a lot more
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problems with nature because trees have to be cut down
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because it's blocking the five G signals, rain is absorbing it.
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It's also causing massive health problems not just in humans,
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but also in bees, migratory birds, butterflies. So we're already
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witnessing an extinction event in slow motion. That's what you know.
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Humanity in the nineteen hundreds all the way up to
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today is experiencing is an extinction event in slow emotion.
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We have enough time to where we can talk about it,
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and we can say we need to stop this, or
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we need to change this, and we're pointing the finger around.
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But the bottom line is is the psychedelics. I've heard
2006
01:58:13.359 --> 01:58:16.439
a lot of people from Terrence mckenn Terrence McKennon all
2007
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the way to his brother Dennis McKenna say, I think
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psychedelics are causing us to want to help nature out
2009
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because nature is dying. And then I've also heard people say,
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I think psychedelics are here just in time for this
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extinction event to help us adapt to the future that
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we're about to step into. That's a horrifying thought that
2013
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psychedelics aren't here to save today and we're going to
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go back to a world with all these all this
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biodiversity and you know, incredible nature, that it might be
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there to help our DNA mutate and to help us
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adapt to stre like you know, it's not just the
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01:59:02.399 --> 01:59:05.560
sun giving off radiation anymore. It's every five G tower
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and satellite up in the sky that's bombarding our systems,
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and the psychedelics may be here to help us adapt
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to this new technotronic future. Humans are fusing with technology.
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Psychedelics may actually help that along. I want to end
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this rant on this. It's very easy for us to
2024
01:59:25.720 --> 01:59:28.760
Marshall mclewin has this quote we drive into the future
2025
01:59:28.880 --> 01:59:32.720
using our rear view mirrors only, meaning the way that
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01:59:32.840 --> 01:59:36.840
we dictate how we should move into the future is
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01:59:37.359 --> 01:59:41.279
predicated upon what we believe and what we've learned by
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looking into the rear view mirrors into the past. And
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so we have this human way of saying this is good,
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this is bad, this is right, this is wrong. We
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01:59:51.319 --> 01:59:53.720
should do this, we shouldn't do that right. We have
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all these ways of shoulding and shouldn'ting life. One thing
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that psychedelics is shown me is don't hold on to
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your beliefs of what should or shouldn't be. The Taoism,
2035
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the Dowdy Ching even says this life is change. The
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02:00:11.520 --> 02:00:13.840
whole thing about life is change. And that doesn't mean
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02:00:13.880 --> 02:00:15.920
we should just go limp and say all right, whatever,
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02:00:16.000 --> 02:00:19.760
transhuman future, come on, I guess you're cool now that
2039
02:00:19.880 --> 02:00:22.960
Ben said that, like, no, I don't think that's the
2040
02:00:23.039 --> 02:00:27.079
way I think we need to hold I think what
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02:00:27.199 --> 02:00:30.239
the awakening is. There's an awakening happening right now. Psychedelics
2042
02:00:30.239 --> 02:00:32.640
are part of it, but I think conspiracy is a
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02:00:32.720 --> 02:00:34.319
part of it. I think the fact that the world
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02:00:34.439 --> 02:00:37.439
is changing rapidly. I think this extinction event is part
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02:00:37.479 --> 02:00:40.720
of our awakening in slow motion as well. So we're
2046
02:00:40.720 --> 02:00:43.399
having this awakening and we're coming to terms with the
2047
02:00:43.479 --> 02:00:49.760
fact that it's almost like politics, man, you stand for
2048
02:00:49.880 --> 02:00:52.239
what you believe in, and a lot of us are like,
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02:00:52.399 --> 02:00:55.840
I will not compromise on this, this or this, Okay,
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will you compromise on this?
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Ah?
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Man, too close to grooming people for you know, like
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pedophilia and stuff like that. And you know, I don't
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know if you've heard in school, you know these kids,
2055
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these influencers, you know, young kids stripping on stage down
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to their underwear, stripping on stage for money. And the
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people on the right are like, that's grooming, and the
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02:01:18.560 --> 02:01:20.720
people on the left are like, come on, get over
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02:01:20.800 --> 02:01:23.520
your prude, blah blah blah, and and it's like, okay,
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02:01:23.960 --> 02:01:28.239
but where do you stand. What if you're very against abortion,
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02:01:28.960 --> 02:01:32.199
you're very against taking the guns from the people, and
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02:01:32.680 --> 02:01:36.439
you're fairly firm on kids not stripping down to their
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underwear and you know, getting paid money. I'm just hypothetical.
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If the left was really this close to taking your
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02:01:47.399 --> 02:01:51.359
guns away from you, would you be a little bit
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02:01:51.520 --> 02:01:56.479
lenient in grooming children. This is what politics is all about.
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And don't worry about answering that question. I'm bringing up
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a hypethetical because this is what politics is all about, man,
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And this is what I think a lot of people
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are starting to wake up to. I don't live in
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a world full of a bunch of altruistic people. When
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02:02:12.319 --> 02:02:14.800
I was born, I was a little kid, I thought
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humans are I thought adults had their shit together. I
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thought they were intelligent. Now I grow up and I
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realize that they're wounded children that grew up but never
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grew up, if you will. And a lot of them
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are into pedophilia. A lot of them are into really
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really sick stuff, right. Some of them are into killing
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children unborn. Some of them are into killing children up
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to six hours or two days after they're born. Right.
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Some of them, you know, by the way, the Spartans
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did that if you were deformed, they would throw you
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off a cliff. So we go through all these epochs
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and cycles of what's right, what's wrong, what should we
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be allowed to do, and who's going to enforce it.
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There's all this gray area like people are like anarchy
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would be great, and more libertarian dream it would be great. Okay,
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you do understand that that means that on the other
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side of town, shit can get a little weirder and
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it can go into a little bit more inhuman way
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of going because you protect your own, you take care
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of things on a local level, and you don't bother
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yourself in so much foreign politics, even if it's on
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the other side of town. You hear where I'm going
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with this. That's the world that we're stepping into. And
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I think psychedelics in the main IPO companies are here
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to also get us to open up to the fact that, ah,
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maybe we're going to have to make some political style
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sacrifices and say I believe firmly in this, and this
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I kind of believe firmly in that, but I'm willing
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to compromise in that so these don't get affected. And psychedelics,
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I think are here, not by the psychedelics themselves, not
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the intelligence of the plants, but by the intelligence of
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the financial class to say, listen, if we want to
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be a one world, if we want a one world government,
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if we want one world regulation, guess what we need
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to have. We need to have trace and track technology everywhere,
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knowing what you're up to. But hey, if you're into
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grooming and that's not illegal anymore in this part of town,
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go to that part of town and do that creepy
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02:04:20.159 --> 02:04:23.119
stuff over there. I think we're headed into a world
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02:04:23.199 --> 02:04:26.439
where the Hunger Games may not be far off. And
2113
02:04:26.560 --> 02:04:31.399
I'm being perfectly serious about that. That was almost a
2114
02:04:31.560 --> 02:04:34.680
vision I believe that had for Australia when they started
2115
02:04:34.760 --> 02:04:39.399
dropping off criminals in Australia like it was a prison island.
2116
02:04:40.279 --> 02:04:43.199
I think we're stepping into a weirder world than we understand.
2117
02:04:43.279 --> 02:04:46.720
And that's why psychedelics are now going to be household
2118
02:04:47.880 --> 02:04:48.560
pill bottles.
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02:04:49.960 --> 02:04:50.119
Man.
2120
02:04:50.199 --> 02:04:52.800
That's so interesting, and you know, I have to agree
2121
02:04:52.800 --> 02:04:55.479
with so much of that. It's we live in fascinating
2122
02:04:55.560 --> 02:04:58.079
and terrifying times at the same time. I want to
2123
02:04:58.119 --> 02:05:02.800
get to your ideas and and maybe thoughts on solutions
2124
02:05:02.920 --> 02:05:07.800
and impossible individual accountability during these times. But I do
2125
02:05:07.960 --> 02:05:11.239
want to touch on the health and pharmaceutical aspects that
2126
02:05:11.359 --> 02:05:15.920
have been kind of grooming us to this transhuman era
2127
02:05:16.079 --> 02:05:18.640
that we're going to. It seems like with everything that
2128
02:05:18.800 --> 02:05:21.399
we've been fed, all the food, all the medicines, all
2129
02:05:21.399 --> 02:05:25.279
the pharmaceuticals, it's changing us on you know, a level
2130
02:05:25.319 --> 02:05:28.199
of a DNA level, on a biological level, to where
2131
02:05:28.239 --> 02:05:30.439
we're not the same humans that we used to be.
2132
02:05:31.039 --> 02:05:33.279
And it makes me wonder if we're being bred to
2133
02:05:33.560 --> 02:05:35.920
be a part of this you know, metaverse, to be
2134
02:05:36.000 --> 02:05:38.399
a part of this technological age to where we don't
2135
02:05:38.439 --> 02:05:41.960
have to rely on our you know, just traditional self,
2136
02:05:42.079 --> 02:05:44.199
on our own bodies on that you know, the way
2137
02:05:44.439 --> 02:05:46.680
humans used to heal themselves naturally.
2138
02:05:46.880 --> 02:05:53.760
You know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm I'm of the belief
2139
02:05:54.560 --> 02:05:56.800
and I'll say this is because of all my research
2140
02:05:56.880 --> 02:06:00.239
and then also just you know, an intuition and the
2141
02:06:00.359 --> 02:06:05.119
more I look at it, the world is like this
2142
02:06:05.399 --> 02:06:08.079
grand experiment right now, and a lot of it is
2143
02:06:08.119 --> 02:06:13.079
being run by the financial class, and it comes from
2144
02:06:13.319 --> 02:06:16.800
something that's you know, a little bit older and may
2145
02:06:16.920 --> 02:06:20.159
look a little bit more like magic Inokian magic coming
2146
02:06:20.239 --> 02:06:23.800
from the you know, medieval times. I believe that what
2147
02:06:23.960 --> 02:06:28.239
we're really seeing, especially in health and in medicine and
2148
02:06:28.439 --> 02:06:32.720
in agriculture with genetically modified foods and stuff like that,
2149
02:06:34.319 --> 02:06:37.880
if you look at how genetic modification happens, it's not new.
2150
02:06:38.159 --> 02:06:41.680
Humans didn't invent genetic modification. Viruses have been doing it
2151
02:06:41.840 --> 02:06:44.880
for you know, hundreds of millions or billions of years,
2152
02:06:45.079 --> 02:06:47.680
and probably before that. If there really is life on
2153
02:06:47.800 --> 02:06:51.039
other planets, depending on your viewpoint of what the planet
2154
02:06:51.159 --> 02:06:56.319
is and all that, so, viruses have been genetically and
2155
02:06:56.520 --> 02:07:01.720
parasites and bacteria have been genetically modifying other creatures. It's
2156
02:07:01.960 --> 02:07:04.439
just it's something that's been happening for quite some time.
2157
02:07:05.279 --> 02:07:09.119
Now that human intelligence has been mixed with it, it's
2158
02:07:09.399 --> 02:07:12.960
on an accelerated path. So much of what you'll get
2159
02:07:13.039 --> 02:07:15.880
in a grocery store, which is now the main way
2160
02:07:16.000 --> 02:07:18.920
people get their food, which is interesting, you know, like
2161
02:07:19.479 --> 02:07:21.680
that's a blip in, that's a blink of an eye
2162
02:07:21.720 --> 02:07:25.079
in historical terms, that we go to the store and
2163
02:07:25.199 --> 02:07:29.000
get our food primarily. And you're lucky if you find
2164
02:07:29.039 --> 02:07:31.840
a house that has a garden and people that actually
2165
02:07:31.920 --> 02:07:34.760
eat from their very own garden, you're lucky. That's brand
2166
02:07:34.840 --> 02:07:37.279
new in history. So you want to talk about transhuman
2167
02:07:37.680 --> 02:07:40.239
We were in it before any technology had to be
2168
02:07:40.319 --> 02:07:43.119
applied to us. You know, these are the stepping stone
2169
02:07:43.159 --> 02:07:47.039
processes of it. And now we're eating in those grocery stores.
2170
02:07:47.079 --> 02:07:50.319
To finish that point, we're eating a lot of food
2171
02:07:50.399 --> 02:07:53.800
that's genetically modified, whether we know it or not, all
2172
02:07:53.840 --> 02:07:56.439
the way to keto. You know, my wife was just saying, like, man,
2173
02:07:56.520 --> 02:08:01.039
everything's keto these days. Everything like keto by this ketobar
2174
02:08:01.079 --> 02:08:02.920
and it's got tons of sugar in it, And I
2175
02:08:03.039 --> 02:08:06.920
was like, you know why that works legally is because
2176
02:08:07.159 --> 02:08:09.479
if that's the only sugar you get for the day,
2177
02:08:10.079 --> 02:08:14.359
you will stay in ketosis. Meaning it's not a Keto bar,
2178
02:08:14.720 --> 02:08:17.199
like it's just a bar like most other bars, but
2179
02:08:17.279 --> 02:08:20.399
they're labeling it in a different way. So to stay
2180
02:08:20.439 --> 02:08:25.199
on point, the genetic modification of humans has been happening
2181
02:08:25.279 --> 02:08:29.600
for quite some time, recently since twenty twenty, and even
2182
02:08:29.680 --> 02:08:34.159
before that it's been part of the public zeitgeist. That's like,
2183
02:08:34.239 --> 02:08:36.399
whoa wait a minute, what if this was created in
2184
02:08:36.479 --> 02:08:39.439
a lab? Now, remember what I told you. Viruses have
2185
02:08:39.600 --> 02:08:43.239
been changing DNA for a long time, So if this
2186
02:08:43.439 --> 02:08:47.000
was created in a lab and was spread to millions
2187
02:08:47.079 --> 02:08:50.319
of people. Then if you think about that, you could
2188
02:08:50.399 --> 02:08:54.600
look at that as a genetic modification experiment by a
2189
02:08:54.800 --> 02:08:58.520
very small group of people spread across the world. And
2190
02:08:59.079 --> 02:09:02.640
now if there's even signature and trainment, meaning it doesn't
2191
02:09:02.640 --> 02:09:04.399
have to be a piece of technology. But if you
2192
02:09:04.479 --> 02:09:08.479
can detect remotely who's had COVID and who hasn't, then
2193
02:09:08.600 --> 02:09:12.079
you know exactly where that technology is spread. You know
2194
02:09:12.279 --> 02:09:17.920
whose genetic material has been modified. So now we're getting
2195
02:09:17.960 --> 02:09:21.279
into the point where the technologies that are coming about
2196
02:09:21.399 --> 02:09:24.840
in the Internet of bodies, all the way to transcranial
2197
02:09:24.880 --> 02:09:27.920
stimulation to implants in the brain that can cause for
2198
02:09:28.319 --> 02:09:37.399
potential let's say pedophiles, to have those urges suppressed before
2199
02:09:37.439 --> 02:09:41.800
they even emerge. Now everyone's going to cheer for that, right,
2200
02:09:42.399 --> 02:09:44.560
Oh well, of course, do it to the pedophiles, right,
2201
02:09:45.359 --> 02:09:47.359
But where does that technology go from there? You think
2202
02:09:47.399 --> 02:09:50.000
they're going to stop at the pedophiles. They'll come up
2203
02:09:50.079 --> 02:09:52.239
with a way. And when I say they, there's a
2204
02:09:52.359 --> 02:09:55.319
very specific day, it's not just the general deep state.
2205
02:09:58.600 --> 02:10:01.159
They will come up with a way to make sure
2206
02:10:01.239 --> 02:10:06.239
that this implanting or transcranial stimulation can be even more
2207
02:10:06.319 --> 02:10:11.039
remote and affect all demographics eventually. That's the wet dream
2208
02:10:11.119 --> 02:10:14.680
of the financial class is to have everything data mind.
2209
02:10:14.920 --> 02:10:20.039
Everything comes down to data and information transfer. So that's
2210
02:10:20.439 --> 02:10:24.279
where the transhuman agenda is really going is again, we
2211
02:10:25.039 --> 02:10:28.039
were stuck in this slow motion transition. It's not just
2212
02:10:28.159 --> 02:10:31.880
gonna happen overnight. We're stuck in this slow motion transition
2213
02:10:32.560 --> 02:10:36.960
to where we can eventually be hijacked remotely. And I
2214
02:10:37.079 --> 02:10:39.920
do believe that the beam forming technology inside five G
2215
02:10:41.680 --> 02:10:44.199
will have an ability to be able to tap into
2216
02:10:44.560 --> 02:10:50.000
any let's say chemtrails or whatever that's dropped nanoparticles and
2217
02:10:50.079 --> 02:10:53.079
you've breathed it in, or you've somehow got it's in
2218
02:10:53.159 --> 02:10:55.239
the water supply, you got it into your body. You
2219
02:10:55.359 --> 02:11:00.359
have nanoparticles inside you. Now beam forming technology with five
2220
02:11:00.479 --> 02:11:04.239
G will be able to isolate you in space and
2221
02:11:04.359 --> 02:11:07.800
time and affect the frequency of your body. This isn't
2222
02:11:08.359 --> 02:11:12.319
Star Trek or Star Wars way way off in the future.
2223
02:11:12.439 --> 02:11:15.600
This is already present. You know, this is already present.
2224
02:11:15.640 --> 02:11:20.159
In nineteen eighty three, the Monroe Institute, Department of the
2225
02:11:20.279 --> 02:11:24.159
Army was talking about decoupling the brain hemispheres with vibration
2226
02:11:24.319 --> 02:11:28.600
alone remotely. So this is this is where I believe
2227
02:11:28.680 --> 02:11:32.640
it's headed. I can go deeply into like different offshoots
2228
02:11:32.680 --> 02:11:34.960
of where I think the transhuman agenda is going. But
2229
02:11:35.039 --> 02:11:39.319
I believe that to answer your question about personal accountability
2230
02:11:39.439 --> 02:11:43.199
and what can we do, I really believe that the
2231
02:11:43.479 --> 02:11:46.600
you know, the deepest solution we can find is we
2232
02:11:46.760 --> 02:11:56.039
really need to start our self discovery process, meaning we
2233
02:11:56.279 --> 02:11:59.600
really need to go and yes, meditation, but it's it's
2234
02:11:59.640 --> 02:12:02.520
deeper and just sitting down closing your eyes in lotus
2235
02:12:02.560 --> 02:12:08.600
position and meditating. It's really deeply reflecting upon all of
2236
02:12:08.720 --> 02:12:11.920
your behaviors, all of your actions, all of your words,
2237
02:12:12.279 --> 02:12:16.319
and understanding that there's a driver that drives all these
2238
02:12:16.399 --> 02:12:19.159
things before they get to the point where you act.
2239
02:12:19.840 --> 02:12:23.000
And the reason I say that is most people they
2240
02:12:23.039 --> 02:12:25.439
don't know why they behave the way they behave and
2241
02:12:25.640 --> 02:12:27.439
if I were to ask you, why did you just
2242
02:12:27.560 --> 02:12:30.720
do that? And there are studies where if you actually
2243
02:12:30.840 --> 02:12:35.079
decouple the brain hemispheres and you let somebody with the
2244
02:12:35.239 --> 02:12:39.920
right eye look at a beautiful prairie and then like
2245
02:12:40.199 --> 02:12:43.840
all of a sudden, you know on the left side
2246
02:12:44.039 --> 02:12:48.039
you're showing pornography. They're only aware of what they're seeing
2247
02:12:48.119 --> 02:12:51.439
with their right eye, but with the left eye it
2248
02:12:51.880 --> 02:12:54.680
still picks it up somehow. And in these studies, what
2249
02:12:54.800 --> 02:13:01.079
they found was that all of a sudden, the pornography
2250
02:13:01.479 --> 02:13:05.079
will flash into their eyes and the woman who's in
2251
02:13:05.399 --> 02:13:09.079
doing the test will start blushing and giggling, and the
2252
02:13:09.399 --> 02:13:12.920
person will ask, Okay, why did you just And by
2253
02:13:12.960 --> 02:13:16.720
the way, the hemispheres were surgically cut, so it's not
2254
02:13:16.840 --> 02:13:20.840
communicating between the hemispheres, and so the doctor would say
2255
02:13:20.880 --> 02:13:21.840
why did you just giggle?
2256
02:13:21.920 --> 02:13:22.199
Right there?
2257
02:13:23.600 --> 02:13:26.119
Every single time the patient would come up with an
2258
02:13:26.199 --> 02:13:30.439
excuse that wasn't true. Oh, it's because I saw a butterfly.
2259
02:13:30.880 --> 02:13:35.640
Because their language center didn't register the pornography. The language
2260
02:13:35.720 --> 02:13:38.880
center only registered the prairie, and so like, oh, I
2261
02:13:38.920 --> 02:13:41.479
guess it was the butterfly that went by, and they'll
2262
02:13:41.880 --> 02:13:44.199
state it as fact. Not I guess it was because
2263
02:13:44.199 --> 02:13:47.920
of that butterfly. So this really gets down to most
2264
02:13:48.039 --> 02:13:50.920
people do not know why they behave the way they behave.
2265
02:13:51.960 --> 02:13:54.520
Now we're starting to get into a world like the matrix,
2266
02:13:54.920 --> 02:13:57.039
where it's going to be more and more difficult to
2267
02:13:57.199 --> 02:14:01.600
understand what's real reality and so what's fake news? What
2268
02:14:01.760 --> 02:14:04.840
has been sent to my phone for me? And not
2269
02:14:05.000 --> 02:14:08.920
to other people, you know, like is this really reality
2270
02:14:09.319 --> 02:14:12.279
or is this a contrived reality to make me think
2271
02:14:12.319 --> 02:14:14.920
a certain way? Because that's where we're headed. So the
2272
02:14:15.039 --> 02:14:19.800
only real personal accountability solution that I can give to
2273
02:14:19.920 --> 02:14:22.680
people that's free, not like go to my seminar and
2274
02:14:22.760 --> 02:14:26.680
blah blah blah blah. No, it's absolutely free. And it
2275
02:14:26.760 --> 02:14:31.279
comes down to really acknowledging and being present with all
2276
02:14:31.319 --> 02:14:34.720
of your decisions and behaviors. Because if you're able to
2277
02:14:34.840 --> 02:14:39.920
introduce an intercept or a little interrupt in between input
2278
02:14:40.359 --> 02:14:43.840
and then output, meaning your behavior, then you'll come to
2279
02:14:43.960 --> 02:14:47.359
realize that it doesn't matter what the input is, you
2280
02:14:47.600 --> 02:14:52.239
can gracefully control the output. And this is when you
2281
02:14:52.399 --> 02:14:55.960
see a Buddhist monk pouring gasoline over himself and lighting
2282
02:14:56.039 --> 02:14:59.319
himself on fire and not then screaming and trying to
2283
02:14:59.399 --> 02:15:03.359
pat the flat, but just sitting there almost looking like
2284
02:15:03.560 --> 02:15:07.079
in bliss while all the nerve endings are being burnt
2285
02:15:07.119 --> 02:15:12.880
off the skin and he's slowly dying, or like body
2286
02:15:12.920 --> 02:15:20.279
Satva's that have experienced the deepest, darkest realities, so they
2287
02:15:21.399 --> 02:15:24.000
instead of just being in bliss and living in an osherom,
2288
02:15:24.079 --> 02:15:26.399
they go to Mexico City. One of the most polluted,
2289
02:15:27.039 --> 02:15:30.319
crime ridden places, and people ask why you could live anywhere,
2290
02:15:30.359 --> 02:15:32.399
You could live in the most beautiful osherm why would
2291
02:15:32.439 --> 02:15:35.560
you go there? Because that's where help is needed the most.
2292
02:15:36.399 --> 02:15:39.840
The point that I'm driving at is they realize that
2293
02:15:40.079 --> 02:15:43.439
pain and pleasure are not the reasons that we're here.
2294
02:15:43.680 --> 02:15:46.600
They're good, they're they're great teachers, but they're not the
2295
02:15:46.760 --> 02:15:50.680
actual focal point of why we're here. We're here to learn,
2296
02:15:51.800 --> 02:15:55.439
and we're also here to serve. We're here to learn
2297
02:15:55.520 --> 02:15:58.680
and we're here to serve. So my grand point here
2298
02:15:59.039 --> 02:16:02.279
is the great gatest thing that we can do is
2299
02:16:02.560 --> 02:16:05.359
come to realize that we're going to start getting a flood,
2300
02:16:05.520 --> 02:16:10.760
a tidal wave of false input. If we can't interrupt
2301
02:16:10.840 --> 02:16:14.199
that before it turns into a behavior, then we'll just
2302
02:16:14.439 --> 02:16:17.279
justify it. Oh you know, hey, Ben, why did you
2303
02:16:17.439 --> 02:16:18.079
kill that guy?
2304
02:16:18.399 --> 02:16:18.520
Oh?
2305
02:16:18.600 --> 02:16:20.159
Well it was because of blah blah blah, and I
2306
02:16:20.199 --> 02:16:24.359
don't even really know, because something was hijacking my neural
2307
02:16:24.399 --> 02:16:28.279
circuitry remotely, which the technology is being worked on and
2308
02:16:28.439 --> 02:16:32.559
perfected at this very moment. That's the point. We need
2309
02:16:32.639 --> 02:16:36.879
to understand that your behavior can be decoupled from the
2310
02:16:37.000 --> 02:16:45.200
input and you can sit in an altruistic, beautiful space
2311
02:16:45.360 --> 02:16:48.920
inside you, regardless of the input that's coming in. And
2312
02:16:49.040 --> 02:16:51.719
by the way, all social media that comes through our
2313
02:16:51.799 --> 02:16:55.559
phones is input, and its input that, if you look
2314
02:16:55.559 --> 02:16:58.520
at it, predominantly is there to get your nervous system
2315
02:16:58.600 --> 02:17:01.799
aroused to feel that they're a threaten your environment and
2316
02:17:02.440 --> 02:17:06.879
point out who the boogeyman is, right, who's the boogeyman? Well,
2317
02:17:06.959 --> 02:17:09.520
it's it's all those people on the right that refuse
2318
02:17:09.600 --> 02:17:12.520
the vaccine that's the boogeyman. Or it's all those people
2319
02:17:12.600 --> 02:17:16.079
on the left that are grooming kids for pedophilia, And
2320
02:17:16.280 --> 02:17:20.680
it's it's all this input, and it's all most of
2321
02:17:20.719 --> 02:17:25.440
it is truth mixed with lies. So we'll accept it
2322
02:17:25.600 --> 02:17:28.120
because of the eighty percent of truth, and then it'll
2323
02:17:28.200 --> 02:17:29.840
keep us from being able to see it for what
2324
02:17:29.959 --> 02:17:33.040
it really is with the twenty percent of lies. We're
2325
02:17:33.120 --> 02:17:35.639
stepping into a brand new world. The matrix is real.
2326
02:17:36.079 --> 02:17:40.399
We need self mastery, self ownership, and I.
2327
02:17:40.399 --> 02:17:43.079
Would say add to that, I just unplug yourself from
2328
02:17:43.799 --> 02:17:47.040
as much of the matrix as possible, you know, don't
2329
02:17:47.239 --> 02:17:51.520
don't participate in the agendas and the bs, and concentrate
2330
02:17:51.639 --> 02:17:56.280
on your own sovereignty and where your consciousness and spirituality
2331
02:17:56.399 --> 02:17:56.760
is headed.
2332
02:17:57.079 --> 02:18:00.520
And that's why for me, yeah, yeah, But but so
2333
02:18:01.959 --> 02:18:04.799
unplug I want to add a caveat to what I
2334
02:18:04.920 --> 02:18:08.799
believe would work with that unplug from it. But if
2335
02:18:08.840 --> 02:18:11.840
it's the direction that everything is headed, and it's it
2336
02:18:12.159 --> 02:18:16.479
is all, it's informing you also, and here's the paradox
2337
02:18:16.600 --> 02:18:19.239
of it. It's not just informing you. It's trying to
2338
02:18:19.319 --> 02:18:22.680
hijack you at the same time as it's informing you
2339
02:18:22.879 --> 02:18:27.000
of what other people are being hijacked by. So if
2340
02:18:27.040 --> 02:18:30.920
you unplug completely, then you don't even really know what
2341
02:18:31.120 --> 02:18:34.959
other people are being hijacked by. So there's this thing
2342
02:18:35.040 --> 02:18:38.959
about we you want to unplug from the full force
2343
02:18:39.639 --> 02:18:44.280
of the danger. But there's this thing to be said
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about disconnecting yourself so completely, because I know a lot
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of people that are like I just want to run
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off into the mountains, right and avoid all of this. Right, Well,
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then you're just you're just gonna die one day, maybe happy,
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that's fine, but you will have never touched community again.
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You just hid for the rest of your life. So
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there's something about this unplug yourself to a certain extent,
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and then when you're about to plug yourself back in.
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That's when your mastery needs to come in. I'll just
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remind the audience about when we're talking about psychedelics, I said,
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integration is huge. It's it's probably number one. It's not
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about the mind blowing experience. It's about how you step
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back into conventional reality. Right you go down to the Amazon,
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your mind is blown out. You realize it's your diet,
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it's TV, it's all the stuff that's toxifying your body
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and your mind. And then you come back home and
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everybody's just in it so naturally that you're like, oh,
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there's this weird schism between that thing that I just
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learned and this deep groove that makes me want to
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just sit back down and watch the TV and eat
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that same food again. So what I think is we
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need to unplug to do the work of really mastering
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the self. But how do you battle test that. It's
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like the kid that came out with all this wisdom,
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out of all this knowledge out of college, but hasn't
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battle tested it. To plug yourself back in. That's the
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way that you battle test what you've learned. Because a
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real bodhisatva, a real sage can go to the most
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dangerous territory and still stay in their center. What I
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am saying is that the metaverse is becoming the matrix,
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and people are dying to plug themselves into it. They're
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dying to plug themselves. So what those who understand what's
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happening need to do is find your center and then
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bring your center into some of those places. I'm not
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telling people to go into the metaverse. I'm not telling,
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but I am saying if you find that there is
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a use for your phone, if you find that there
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is a use for your technology and there can be
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some good, exploit the good. Go in and exploit the good.
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Find your center to keep you from falling into the
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traps of the not so good and the terrible. And
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that is how you will use technology as a tool
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for the awakening for good. But if you completely remove
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yourself from it, then what you're doing is you're placing
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a wall between you and many of your brothers and
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sisters that are well intentioned, but they're actively in the matrix.
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So it's the difference between exiting the matrix and never
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going back and saying fuck that, or being neo and
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02:21:33.319 --> 02:21:35.399
being like, send me back in because we need to
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rescue some more people.
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Yes, man, I love it.
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Great stuff, and then there's so much more we could discuss.
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I'm definitely gonna have to have you back on soon
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in the future. We could hit so many amazing topics.
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Before you go, let the audience know where they can
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find you. Website, social media, all the good stuff.
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Yeah, go to Benjosephstewart dot com. That's a B E
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N jos ep s t E w a art dot com.
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So Benjosephstewart dot com is a storehouse for all my media.
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You can find all my films there except for the
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stuff that I did for Gaya, which is psychedelica and Limitless.
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You'll find my podcast there. You'll find the Waking Infinity
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news show that I do every single Monday. So if
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you go to YouTube backslash, by chance or fate, you
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will find my On my YouTube channel, I have Monday
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content comes out every single Monday and it's basically news.
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It's it's talking about some of the hottest topics of
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the day of the week. And then on Tuesdays, I
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have a subscriber section where I do exclusive content just
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for the exclusive members, so you can sign up on
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Benjosephstewart dot com. Every Thursday at five pm Eastern, I
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go live on YouTube and Twitch on my podcast, so
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that's where you can find me, and I encourage everybody
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to get involved on the discord chat, which is free,
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and that's the whole greater community talking about all the
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topics that I bring.
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Up right on.
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Man, Well, thank you so much. This was fantastic and
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like I said, we'll definitely have to do this again
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in the future.
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Beautiful. Yeah, I appreciate it, man, I appreciate you bringing
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me on good podcast.
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Thank you so much. Yeah.
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