FKN Classics Double Feature! Melissa Dawn - Jonestown Cult | Jordan Sather - UFO Psyops

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Enjoy these back to back classic Forbidden Knowledge News episodes. Today,
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I want to welcome back to the show, Melissa Dawn.
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She has studied history, art, folklore, and culture most of
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her life as a passionate hobby. Academically, she studied World
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Wars one two, Russian History and Western Civilization and University
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and has her degree in graphic design. She began podcasting
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in twenty seventeen on several shows, including The Secret Door
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Deep Program podcast, and she now produces gen X News
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to discuss the almost biblical revelations she is seeing in society. Melissa,
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welcome back. How you doing.
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I am doing good. I am a little tired. I
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apologized to everybody, didn't sleep much last night, so I'm
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gonna do the best I can.
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Well, we appreciate you being here to do this, and
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I'm sure it's going to be wonderful. Always love our conversations.
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And today we're going to get into some of the
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research you've done into Jim Jones and the People's Temple cult,
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which it's been only in recent years that I've become
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more interested in these crazy charismatic cult leaders, mainly because
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it's really difficult to avoid cults these days and cult
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like activities in our modern age. Of course certain religions,
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but now politics, the medical system, edication system, most of
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our institutions at the least have cult like aspects.
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But like I.
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Said earlier, I'll be learning about this today. Myself, I
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only really know the basic surface information surrounding this event,
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maybe less, so I'm looking forward to learning more today.
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Before we get into this, remind the audience a little
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bit about yourself and where they can find all your content.
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Well, I mean, my podcasting kind of career started by
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fluke as I was writing on paranormal stuff and I
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helped behind the scenes of a podcast called Folklore Podcast,
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and then eventually I went into my own and my
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first podcast was like really dreadful, like qual it. I
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learned so much and I just kept doing it. And
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then when I moved to America, I was trying to
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get into the paranormal stuff again, but I did. I decided,
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you know, it's more lively if I can do daily
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events and political stuff and cults kind of fall into
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that and MK ultra and stuff like that. So that's
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what I'm doing now. And of course, if you guys
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ever want to watch live streams. I usually do them
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on x rumble, and I was doing TikTok, but the
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gaming is seven day ban so x rumble and YouTube
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and simply all the links to anything you need to
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know about me is on the website. It's jen X
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on x dot com. So the live stream links are
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there and also the audio podcast links are there, and
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you know, and it will keep developing. So talk about
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some strange politics and conspiracy theory, maybe even some more
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spiritual stuff. And definitely cults and anything can become a cult.
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That's what's religious are and strange. Anything can become a cult,
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I mean. And not all cults are like evil. Some
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of them are really benign, and the best of the
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cults can become culture unfortunately, but the really bad cults, obviously,
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what we're going to talk about today is what people
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are really familiar with, is these really malignant, evil, psychopathic cults.
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Right, And as we're coming to learn in our modern
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age about many of our historical events, there's usually much
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more to it than presented in our history books and
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on the surface, and oftentimes with these more malevolent, powerful
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people that grasped the attention of the public, there are
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often cia handprints in this and like you said, mk
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ultra aspects, so we'll get into that as well. Very
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interesting stuff behind all of it. So where did you
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start when looking into Jim Jones? Maybe we could give
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everybody a little overview of the story.
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Well, of course I was doing shows on cults and
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Jim Jones is one of the famous, infamous I should say,
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cult leaders. And of course, whenever I start looking at
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a figure, you're gonna have to go back to the roots,
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and you know, where were they born, what was her
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childhood like, what kind of person were they like as
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a child. And of course when you go back to
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Jim Jones early you see like an alcoholic father, his
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mother was Cherokee Indian. They were very impoverished. His mother
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was also the sole provider of their family, and he
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was very neglected, left on his own. He was was
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born in nineteen thirty one, before World War two, so
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he would have been young boy during the war and
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he grew up he was actually a very enigmatic kid,
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like had that preacher personality very early on. He had
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signs of Yeah, he had signs of psychopathy really early on,
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and it's probably because of the neglect and whatever and
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there could be some genetic stuff. I mean, we don't
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really know. So it's just like when I came on
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here and talked about Ted Bundy, there was things in
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Ted Bundy's childhood that said, while there's something that's wrong here.
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And Ted Bundy was born a little later, but they
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still he had this troubled childhood single mother. And the
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same happens with Jim Jones. That doesn't mean everybody who
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has a single mother is going to be a psychopath.
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That's not what I'm saying. It's just in this instance,
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he seemed to have all the the elements that just
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added up to that kind of personality where he was.
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He's a very hypnotic speaker. He would perform funerals for
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pets and preach that's crazy.
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And he may have actually killed the pets that he
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performed the funerals for.
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He may have. I don't know how true that is
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or it's just myth, but it stated. And we know
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that people who have a psychopathic nature will often children
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like that when they're young, will we'll experiments on little
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pets or lizards or birds or something, you know, stuff
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like that. Wow, And very early on, I mean when
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you go see who Jim's Jones eventual target is when
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he becomes a cult leader. It's there early on, he
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was preaching to minority black communities, people who would have
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been affected by, you know, some pretty atrocious laws, and
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so he would preach to them, and he said he
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identified with their plights, you know, because he was impoverished.
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So he had them these early on stuff. These things
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that we're gonna notice later on when he's like this
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full blown preacher with a lot of power, they're there
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when he's a little boy.
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Now. I notice oftentimes with some of these characters that
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they may have intelligence in their family lineage or some
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sort of military background in their family lineage lineage. Was
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this true for Jim at.
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All, not that I'm aware of. Okay, his early he
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got into communism pretty like in the fifties, nineteen fifty one.
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He's young, He's like twenty years old, and he was
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attending regular Communist meetings. I don't like I said his
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father was an alcoholic. I'm not sure that his father.
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It wouldn't surprise me, and that's something I should actually
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have a look at.
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But his.
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in that family history.
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Yeah that I did not find anything about that. Let
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me see. I'm okay. So this is interesting, says is
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the reason his father was an alcoholic he had he
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was in World War One, so he was a veteran,
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and he had he probably had severe PTSD breathing problems
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that he sustained from chemical weapons attacks.
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So there it is, right and along along those lines
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with some of these stories that even if it seemed
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something as innocent as the father was in World War two,
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just a military veteran, there may be other ties to
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this individual that have more powerful links and more malevolent
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tensions behind what the relationship with the family is. Things
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along those lines. But just something to look into. Very
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interesting though.
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Yeah, and another thing to know. When he was young,
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he used to listen to a lot of Hitler's speeches
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take it or leave it, Take it or leave it.
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And you know, one of the things that nobody talks
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about is like his like his father had chemical weapons
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used on him, Right, that's why he was disabled and
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an alcoholic. We don't know what those chemicals effects they
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have on the genetics. And then you go and have
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a child. We don't know. We have no idea if
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those if it's like epigenetics, we have no idea if
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that would pass on to your child and cause some
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kind of functioning problem. We don't know, right, So, like
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we have no clue how chemicals in your body affects
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future generations because you you know, pass it on through
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your eggs or sperm, whatever it is, right, we don't know,
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right man.
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That's so crazy, mm hmm.
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So, and yeah, those wars were pretty brutal. And like
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I said, Jim Jones was a preacher kid, very nomadic
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personality from the beginning. And then he gets into communism,
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and I think I think he was attracted to communism
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because he's he lived through like a Jim Crow period
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and he's he in his mind, he's seen injustices and
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he thought communism was the solution to that. He does
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start as a pastor in the fifties and he had
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his own he was at a Somerset self side Methodist church,
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so he was later you know, he starts small and
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then he says, he claims that he leaves these churches
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because they were forbade integration with minorities. But I often
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wonder if he left those churches because he was inappropriate
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and they called him out because oftentimes psychopaths will say,
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oh my god, I'm a victim. I left because this
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is a horrible place. But they actually they cause problems
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in groups, and they don't take instruction well, and they
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want to be They want to control certain groups, so
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if they can't, they'll leave and they'll make up that
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that group is bad. It's like a weird projection. So
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I often wonder he also interesting enough. He started off
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after he left this church. He would go door to
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door selling monkeys, raise monkeys.
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And anybody to me that raises monkeys is a red
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flag and I probably wouldn't hang out with them.
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But flying monkeys, yeah, well that's how he got in
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to raise funds. He was go door to door selling monkeys,
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and with his charm and wit just I don't know,
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get people interested in what he was doing and what
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he was about. And like I said, he studied Hitler.
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He also studied this guy called Father Divine. I mean,
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you can look him up.
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It seems to be a really strange sounds like a
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cult leader.
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Strange strang in figure. Yeah, Father Divine would instruct on
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how to manipulate members and make them subservient. So he
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learned a lot of that from I wouldn't even say Hitler,
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I'd say he learned a lot from Father Divine. A lot.
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Especially Father Divine instructed about finding or creating the enemy
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within your group to control people. It's an interesting concept
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that you will see. And so then we guys say,
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was Father Divine hooked in with the CIA, r FBI,
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know where was he learning these tactics?
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Because I'm sure these these intelligence agencies did that, like fine,
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like create an enemy within it?
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Right? Because why would someone so young be so obsessed
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with manipulation and gaining control over people's minds and things
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like that. That's just seems like something you learned from somewhere.
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It's definitely. But I feel, like I said, I think
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the basis of his personality is I don't know if
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he went through violence with his father. I'm assuming there
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could have been some in the nineteen thirties. His father
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had PTSD, probably from the more alcoholism. It wouldn't surprise me.
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But and that alone can make you become a sociopathic.
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What I understand, trauma is like the main trigger for
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these MKLTRA people.
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Yeah, trauma is mind control. Trauma opens the ability to
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reshape the personality and the brain and the thinking process
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to control how you think. That's why they do all
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this stuff to us on the TVs and they show
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us all these you know, styops or October seventh or nine.
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So that's why they keep repeating it on the TV
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to traumatize us. So then they can put out their
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official narrative and what they want to go and do next.
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So we go along with it. It's what it's all about.
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And I'm sure Jim Jones is practicing that. But first
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you've got to create an enemy. And that's what all
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great intelligence agencies do. They create an enemy and they
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then they tell you, look that there's an enemy, but
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they were funding the enemy all along. I mean we
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can point to that in our history, Cia, Masad, whatever
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intelligence A, probably the KGB does it. You could probably
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point to that left, right and center. How they do
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that in Jim Jones is yeah, he's saying, Father Divine
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he learned it from. But I have a feeling that
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you know, these agencies are into all sorts of things, university, religion,
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you know, activism. They stick their paws everywhere, and so yeah,
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he starts to create his own church. That's how he
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does it. He also created the concept of the Rainbow
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family back in nineteen fifteen four he started adopting children
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with different racial backgrounds. This is he's building his persona
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that he wants to be known as. That's psychopaths, narcissist.
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They have this real hideous thing beneath them, the shadow
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they had, and they build a persona. So he's like,
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I'm the Rainbow Family. I'm this really great person I
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help adopted children. That doesn't mean that all people who
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adopt children are horrible people creating a false persona. This
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is just about Jim Jones specifically. And then he what
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he's doing conventions, road trips, you know, he starts his
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own church and he is, by the way, this is
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still in Indiana. He's from mccrete, Indiana. I forgot to
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say that. And so he's doing this in that area
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in Indiana, creating his own kind of Methodist Baptist church.
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And initially he's preaching, you know, gospel about Jesus. But
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that starts to change. And I don't have this in
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my notes here, but I think what starts to happen
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with him as he gets more control, and he creates
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his own church and create is. He starts to use
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these lessons from like Father Divine to create the enemy within.
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He starts to.
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The church.
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I think at one point they find it with swastika's
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all over it, and he starts telling his members, well, look,
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we're not safe here. There's all these racists in Indiana.
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We've got to leave. We're gonna go to California, that's
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where things are happening, and we got to leave because
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we're threatened. We've got this enemy. There's all these hillbilly
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hicks and none of it. People like will say that,
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But I personally think he painted the swastikas himself because
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we know he's doing this create the enemy within. He
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wants to control his members. He wants them, he needs
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their energy to keep fueling. He knows he needs member,
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he knows he needs body counts. He needs their energy
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to fuel and keep his church going. Most of his members,
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like seventy to eighty percent, were always Black America, who,
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by the way, a lot of them had their own businesses,
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their own money, their own pensions. They were independent, and
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they give that all right up to him. But he
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convinces them that they've got this horrible thing and they're
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not safe and it will be safer in glorious old
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California to move over to San Francisco and start the
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People's Temple. And that's what starts happening, I believe. And
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you know, here's the interesting thing. Early on, even in
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the sixties, him and his family were going down to
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Brazil and South America and testing his message down there,
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and he was always scouting out locations in South America
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even further away. So he isolates his members from their family,
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brings them to California, and he's always looking in South America.
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Which is interesting that this wasn't just a last minute thing.
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This guy is looking all the time. Yeah. Yeah, he's
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looking all the time about how to get people more
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isolated from a Western society, a modern society, taking over
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their pensions, making them. This is called one oh one.
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You know, it starts off nice and you know, yeah,
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this is called one oh one where he's getting them
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to give them the pensions. I mean a lot of
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these people were not stupid. Everyone thinks cult followers are stupid,
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and that's just not true. Most of them are just
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empty and they're maybe at a place in their life
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and they want something more. They feel like they need
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something spiritual or something to be given to them by
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somebody else. They don't feel like they can attain it.
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And there's someone like Jim Jones saying, I have, You
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know he has, because this is enigmatic personality. He's a
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leadership position. He's you know, he's preaching, he's he's it
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seems to have the answer, simple answer for all of
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your problems. And all you have to do is you know,
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and you get tied up, you get trauma bonded, emotionally attached,
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and next thing you know, he's controlling all your money.
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But he did offer to take care of them. He's like,
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if you give me all this stuff, we'll give you dental,
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we'll give you this. You know, he's promising to act
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like the government, like a communist, right, he's using that
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communist stuff. So he's getting them to give up their independence.
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And this is why no one should ever want the
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government or anyone to have too much power over their finances. Huge,
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huge stuff. So and he originally, like I said, he
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goes by the Bible, he preaches Jesus and he sticks
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with that. But it starts switching once they get to
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San Francisco, and San Francisco ironically, I believe at the time,
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I don't know if it still is, but it was
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a headquarters for the CIA. They were operating in San Francisco,
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So I find it interesting. Yes, it was the hub.
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I understand it had Hayde Ashbury. I understand that it
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was a lot of people were heading to San Francisco.
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But it's just so interesting that the CIA was operating there, right,
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very interesting.
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That whole area is like a hub of culture creation
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and mind control, especially for the entertainment industry.
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Oh yeah, And I mean there was a whole bunch
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of other type of gurus there that weren't so much
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as culty and controlling people like what was the And
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there's tons of activists there. There was like Harvey Milk,
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he was gay right activating activists. There was Alan Watt,
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he had been a former Christian, he was now a Buddhist.
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He had an enigmatic character who would preach Buddhism and
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instructs spirituality that way. But he's an alcoholic too. So
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all these people going, I have your answer, here's just
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mid nine, and I gotta have a bottle of wine. Right,
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it's really crazy. But he starts to switch. He actually
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switches and starts trashing Christianity. He starts trashing Jesus and
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figures like that and telling them he's the reincarnation of that.
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That's your like, that's the false prophety. He tells you,
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I'm Jesus, I'm God. You have to worship huge red flag.
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But by the time he does that, you're so invested
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you don't want to. Nobody wants admit, well, I think
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I just got duped. I think I'm an idiot. You know,
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they just keep going because they're like, oh, okay, well
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you know he's taking care of me thus far. It's
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it's interesting. And then, of course Jim Jones doesn't just
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stick to being a preacher. At this point, he starts
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getting involved in politics, local politics for on behalf of
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the Democrats in trade for money, power and positions. So
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you start his mask slowly starts to slip, and you
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see that all of his rainbow family and equal rights
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and I want you know, Black Americans to have equal
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rights is not about that was an act. It's all
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about more power, more connections for Jim Jones and I've
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got to wonder, like, I don't know if Jim Jones
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was just you know, this figure who had connections, like
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people just really liked him, or was the CIA giving
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him connections? Like how was he getting He's got a
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list of really famous people, famous politicians that doesn't just
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exactly like Willie Brown, you know, like some realief names
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that we would know today that he's Jane Fonda, god
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Ryanne Feinstein.
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Had a few celebrities praising him.
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Mm hmmm, mm hmmm. I mean, I'll get into Jimmy Carter.
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I mean, he's in with some big people and you
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don't just get that way. And I think if he
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had any kind of enigmatic personality and they saw anything,
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we don't know, I can't trace that he was actually
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in MK ultra. I should actually look up if he
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actually served any time in any universities or you know,
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was any training thing. But he could have been and
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they could have saw potential in his personality to control
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and manipulate people, right, it's I mean he I mean,
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you go watch a video of Jim Jones and you'll
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see exactly how alluring and enigmatic. You can understand how
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people were taken by him, especially at the time where
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people didn't know anything about cults, you know, and TV
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was rather new. TV was totally different. You had limited TV,
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and the news media wouldn't have reported on it anyways,
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because they'll just tell you know, they'll they'll tell you
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what they want you to know, not the scary, real
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stuff that's going on. But you can I can understand
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how people were persuaded by him and in awe of him,
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and it still happens today with public figures, people with
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celebrity worship all the time.
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Yep. Unfortunate, but that's starting to slowly change as some
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of the dark information starts to come out about how
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these businesses are fundamentally run, the people behind it and
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what their intentions are. So some very interesting things happening
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there too.
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Yeah. Yeah, And Jim Jones still at this point. So
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he always makes sure that people see him doing humanitarian work.
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And that's important to narcissists and psychopath is to be
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seen in their promotional as this really good community leader,
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self sacrificing, you know, but underneath it all, it's all
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the members doing all the work. And this is another
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attribute of the cult is he was like these people,
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what he said was going to be care for them
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now is abuse. They're working around the clock. One of
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the things they do to control them now is they
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take away the food. They're malnourished, they're overworked, they're exhausted,
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and they're doing all the work and he's just you know,
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you know, enjoying the fruits of their labor and looking
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good on their shoulders. And so that really starts to
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happen here, and they say, like politicians, they're just as
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crupt as anything. They a lot of them don't care
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about people. They care about winning and power, and even
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they can even run and make money without winning, you know.
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So they start to really see him as a very
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valuable asset in terms of shifting election results. One of
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the things that Jones starts doing for excuse me politicians
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at this point is he takes all of his He
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would say he had twenty thousand followers, but it's probably
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more like three or four thousand. Narcissists always exaggerate, they
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always lie. But he starts taking bus loads of his
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followers and sending them to all these events to create
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this hype and this energy. So it looks like all
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these people are all over the place with these politicians.
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But it's the same people. I wonder who's still doing
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what party's still doing that. I mean the Democrats today
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do that. Maybe the Republicans do, but it's a really
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Democrat technique and they got it from Jim Jones. And
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Jim Jones would bust his people all over and he
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would always leave empty seats on his bus so they
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could pick up some more members as they were on this.
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So they create this hype. Everyone's like, this is so cool,
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this is so amazing, and they're like, hey, we don't
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room on our bus for more. And so he's literally
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one of the biggest frauds that he did. Voter fraud
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was on behalf of Mayor Moscone. I get this right.
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It was alleged. They couldn't prove it, but people were
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pretty convinced that he had all of his people come
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out to vote from out of town using false identities.
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He had people vote using dead people's identities. And Mascone
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won twelve to one as a mayor in San Francisco
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in nineteen seventy five. That is just literally impossible numbers.
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It just doesn't happen. A twelve to one win is
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like it's just crazy that and that's why people question
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the election results. And so I think Jim Jones was
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up to no good. And you know, they were using
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a lot of sneaky ways to win, including having people
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vote that were not from that area. Because of that,
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Jim Jones received a permission as chairman of the San
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Francisco Housing Authority Commission after the win. So that was
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the payoff. He got positions that made him money. Probably
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hardly showed up to do anything, but it's when you're
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a narcissist. It's not about you know, learning or doing
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the job properly. It's about having the position, the money
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and the power and the perception of the false identity.
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So then of course after that it's onto bigger and
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better things. Jimmy Carter shows up in the picture and
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Jones meets with Jimmy Carter on a tarmac in San
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Francisco Airport. He was introduced to Jimmy through his wife
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Rosalind because their campaign was lackluster, to put it best,
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so she thought, oh, well, look at this great guy.
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He could help us. And so I don't know if
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he's the reason that Jimmy Carter won, but I think
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He certainly helped because he's at his peak in these years.
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We're a few years away from Jonestown and he's at
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his peak. People just you know, loved him. But he's
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probably actually onto a lot more drugs at this point
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and using That's why he had those glasses. You always
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didn't see him with the glasses, the dark glasses. He's
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covering up because he's drug using. So this is the
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political stuff, and I'm telling you he's you know, Angela David.
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People were comparisoning him to Albert Einstein and like all
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sorts of people, they were trying like this is like
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it's crazy stuff. And he was also promoted by Pulitzer
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Prize winner Herb Kane. He yeah, it just did sane stuff.
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So that's how he gets in politically in positions. But
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and of course all along Jim's just abusing his members
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and using them for his own purposes. Like I said,
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he's got seventy five percent black members, about twenty five
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percent were White Americans, and they had all sorts of
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economic backgrounds, and he is, you know, there's there's a
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way that he's doing it. Like I said, he's preaching love, equality, acceptance,
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inclusivity and woe to capitalism, the same stuff you hear today.
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People think that all the stuff we're experiencing today with
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Marxism or you know, these people who want to abolish
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00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:56.400
the hierarchy and replace it with some sort of chaotic
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utopia is new. It's not. They were trying it in
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the seventies. You know, this was there and it didn't stick.
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It was too extreme. And I think it was working
489
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better today because it's less extreme, because we've, you know, ever,
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towards being accepting of a lot of this stuff. Like
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I told you, a lot of the black people there
492
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weren't poor. A lot of these people were business people.
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A lot of Black America before, you know, even in
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the forties and fifties, they were self reliant. They had businesses,
495
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:31.960
they made money, they had families, they were independent. And
496
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Jim Jones preyed on them because of all this racial inequality,
497
00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:40.200
and he prayed on them for the like the civil
498
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rights stuff. He presented himself as a savior for them, right,
499
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:48.200
and they didn't need a savior. They were already functioning
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on their own.
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And he eventually started using illusions, stage craft, theatrics, anything
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00:30:56.119 --> 00:31:00.279
to pass himself off as a healer and having these
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00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:05.960
quote unquote powers and abilities and up to the extent
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00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:09.440
of actually drugging people things like that, right, M.
505
00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:13.359
Yeah, well in one case, because if you're going to
506
00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:15.279
be that good, you have to make it look like
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00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:19.000
you can do things that no mere mortol can do.
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Yea.
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And one of the things you know they do is
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like healings, Right, they'll heal people, place their hand upon people,
511
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:29.480
or crazy stuff like that. One of the things that
512
00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:35.160
he did he would fake have fake people actors, pretend
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00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:38.200
they're blind and then they could see. He would pretend
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00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:40.440
cutting cancer out of people, but it's just rotten chicken
515
00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:42.599
that they had hidden somewhere. One of the things they
516
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:47.519
did about the drugging here, they drugged a woman and
517
00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:49.319
while she was out of it, they put a cast
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on her. And then when she came to, they told
519
00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:57.000
her when she had fallen, she broke her leg, and
520
00:31:57.079 --> 00:31:59.319
that they had put a cast on her while she
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00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:02.720
was unconscious, and she was you know, that's what they
522
00:32:02.720 --> 00:32:05.039
are telling her. And she's a member. So in front
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00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:08.079
of all his ministry, all his followers, he does this
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00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:10.480
big healing ritual and he says, we're going to cut
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00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:13.640
the cast off and then you're gonna walk, And so
526
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:16.640
they cut it off and she starts running and everyone's screaming, going,
527
00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:19.599
my god, he just fixed her broken leg, the broken
528
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:22.960
leg that she never had, because they literally drugged this
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00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:25.880
woman and then made her believe she had a broken
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00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:28.960
leg that she never had. It was all lies, theatrical
531
00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:33.920
and manipulation tactics and drugging people. It's a really insane,
532
00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:38.119
just absolute crazy stuff. So he would, yeah, do this
533
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:44.000
stuff to manipulate the followers to believe. Because you can
534
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:46.000
say you're the son of God, or you can say
535
00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:48.359
you're Jesus. You can say all this stuff, but eventually
536
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:50.359
you got to show it. And this is what this
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00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:56.119
is what he did, basically worse than like like kind
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of like some of these stage acts, magic acts are
539
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:02.039
illusionists that you see. He did a kind of crappier
540
00:33:02.119 --> 00:33:03.400
version of that. Yeah.
541
00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:07.200
Yeah, And you can't be a good cult leader without
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00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:11.960
being a sexual deviant. And of course this always creeps
543
00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:15.559
in with these people, forcing his cult members into some
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00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:19.920
sort of sexual activities or confusion or mind control things
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00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:20.640
of that nature.
546
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:24.400
Right, it's all the same stuff that you see today.
547
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:28.240
On his small scale, He's confusing people about their sexual identity.
548
00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:32.480
He's splitting wives and husbands up so that he's the
549
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:35.240
only one who has sexual access to women. He's also
550
00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:38.200
convincing men now that they're homosexuals and to have sex
551
00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:42.480
with him. He was doing all sorts of depraved stuff.
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00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:51.400
He is stepping up. Anyone who dares speak out. The
553
00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:55.839
abuse gets in really intense, and because he has everyone
554
00:33:55.920 --> 00:34:01.279
brainwashed the other, anyone who speaks up gets by the other.
555
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:06.680
Cult members have beaten, you know, violently. He has a
556
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:10.199
children being abused and paddled. He even had children if
557
00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:15.000
they were misbehaving, to electric shock them or stand on
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00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:20.639
allege for hours. He's manipulating parents, and parents are allowing him,
559
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:25.320
abandoning their own instincts to protect their children and allowing
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00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:27.599
him to abuse their children like this. And people are like,
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00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:30.800
how can this happen? And it's like, well, they don't
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00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:33.760
do it overnight. It stands slowly over a long period
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00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:36.599
of time, and you're so invested and attached to this
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00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:39.039
group that you can understand. This is how you know
565
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:42.599
people in abusive marriages. This is why it happens because
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they don't know how to get out, and they their
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00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:48.519
minds so weakened and rearranged, they probably can't and their
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00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:51.679
work to death, and they're malnourished to that, Like I said,
569
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they probably can't even think to get out, and they're
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00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:56.400
too terrified to stand up. It's a really sad situation
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that you could put your children into this situation with. Really,
572
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:03.719
but that's the stuff he did. Like I said, he's
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confusing the about sexual identity, and he's having sex with
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all the women, and he's even you know, convincing the
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00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:12.599
men that they're gay, but he's not gay. Of course,
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00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:16.000
he's perfectly fine they're gay and he's having sex with them.
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00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:17.719
Like it doesn't none of it make sense. But when
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you're starving and you're abused, and you're manipulated, and you've
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00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:23.360
been preached to for hours and hours on end like
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00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:27.559
he probably, I imagine his sermons are really long, so
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it just beats your mind down. You're not thinking normal.
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And if you're not and you isolated yourself from everyone
583
00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:38.199
and moved away and you're not around normal people, you
584
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:41.400
don't have any other voices telling you, hey, this is
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a little bit crazy, a little bit nuts.
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00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:49.960
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it wouldn't take much after being
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exposed to that for a very long time for someone
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to mentally crack, I'm sure.
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No, and you're literally become a shell of a human
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00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:03.559
with no ability to think on your own. And you know,
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00:36:03.639 --> 00:36:07.920
one of the ways that Jim Jones is going to
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00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:10.559
make sure that he's got the weakest of the week,
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He's going to do tests allongonge the way he did
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these things called white Knights, And this is a this
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is like a precursor. This is like foreshadowing what's he's
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00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:24.760
already planning and what's going to happen. And a white
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00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:29.039
Knight basically he would have members, all the members. He
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00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:32.320
would make this bowls of punches, and he would have
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00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:36.320
members drink it, drink the punch and then he would say, oh,
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00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:38.280
it has poison in it, and they'd all start freaking
601
00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:42.360
out right, and he'd be like, oh, just kidding, just kidding,
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00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:44.840
I'm just messing with you. It doesn't have poisonings. You
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00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:49.119
know what that does is it's such an extreme thing.
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The people are not totally going to conform to him,
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00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:57.440
will protest then, so he sorts them out, gets rid
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of them. So he knows he only has the weakest
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00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:04.039
of the week. So he's clearly planning all along to
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00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:07.079
get them out of America. Clearly he's got this on
609
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:11.840
his roster, and he wants the most subservient. So these tests,
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00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:16.679
these white Nights, were ways of testing who were totally
611
00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:19.639
devoted and who would say this is batshit crazy? Like
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00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:22.400
he put it so extreme and you think, well, why
613
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:24.920
would he do that? People are going to start noticing it.
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00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:29.079
That's the point is to separate the who's going to
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00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:34.920
cause an issue for him for ultimate control. And you
616
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:38.039
can even see this. I'm seeing this in politics today
617
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:40.960
with different parties where they will test and they'll do
618
00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:45.840
politicians will do the craziest things and throw out memes
619
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:48.000
or whatever and see who responds and who goes with
620
00:37:48.039 --> 00:37:50.159
it and who says, what the hell are you doing?
621
00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:53.920
Happens all the time on different scales. But this is
622
00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:56.400
going to be a very abusive scale because everybody is
623
00:37:56.440 --> 00:37:59.719
pretty much in a really close proximity. The closer proximity
624
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:01.360
you are to the cult of them, more likely you
625
00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:02.239
are to get abused.
626
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:05.920
Well, as I said on my intro, it's unfortunately, what
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00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:07.920
cult do you want to be a part of? How
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00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:11.719
abusive is the call that you're looking to join. Will
629
00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:14.800
it harm you or is it going to be somewhat okay,
630
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:19.280
just a little minute mental manipulation, because like I said earlier,
631
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:24.239
almost everything we can be involved with, with our institutions
632
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:26.480
especially is cult.
633
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:33.840
Like yeah, and it really is the other thing that they,
634
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:37.519
like I said, they create an enemy within the uses
635
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:41.719
us versus them. Look, guys, I'm saving you from the
636
00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:46.440
evil capitalists of the world. You're only safe if you're
637
00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:48.880
with me, and we got to keep running from them
638
00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:56.800
because they're everywhere. Like I said, he you know, I
639
00:38:56.800 --> 00:38:59.039
wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the you know,
640
00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:01.280
a lot of them were the members were using drugs.
641
00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:04.639
Jim Jones was definitely using drugs. He starts to become
642
00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:08.280
more erratic as it goes as he gets into all
643
00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:10.320
this drugs, and you got to where's he getting the
644
00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:11.960
drugs from? Where do you get all the sign that
645
00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:14.119
where do you get all this stuff from? He's got
646
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:18.639
all this stuff and all the while he's scoping out
647
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:23.440
Guyana and places like that with the idea to leave
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00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:26.760
the United States and have a colony for his members.
649
00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:30.280
How do you get a colony in Guyana? Like, where
650
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:32.480
do you get those resources? I know he was taking
651
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:35.719
money from excuse me, from his members, but this is
652
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:44.360
this is pretty hefty. Yeah, this is like, you know,
653
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:46.639
how does he know to do all this? And maybe
654
00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:50.039
he's just a savvy business kind of guy. He knows connections.
655
00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:55.920
I don't know, but he I think it's probably when
656
00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:59.039
he starts doing these white night things and then he's
657
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:02.480
got all the drugs members. He wants to get members
658
00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:04.880
to leave so they doesn't control them. But that also
659
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:08.119
presents a problem because the members that leave start talking
660
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:12.159
a threat. Of course, he threatens them all. He threatens
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00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:14.480
their lives. He's threatened people and their children. If you
662
00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:16.920
go into it more specifically, you'll see there's people who
663
00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:22.440
talk about how he's threatened. But the mainstream media always
664
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:25.800
presented Jim Jones in a more positive light, or they
665
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:28.000
didn't really talk about it at all. They didn't cover
666
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:31.079
what was really going on. It was the independent journalists,
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00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:33.679
like the street journalists, who you know, were running their
668
00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:37.320
own stuff and printing their own you know, magazines. There
669
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:40.280
was no Internet then, of course, and you couldn't just
670
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:44.079
have your own radio or TV. That was way really expensive.
671
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:45.960
No one just had that day. All they could do
672
00:40:46.119 --> 00:40:52.639
was write articles for small, little indeprependent news productions, and
673
00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:57.159
they did that, and some of these people were talking
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and telling them what was going on. And there was
675
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:05.880
some journal or a news paper called New West and
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00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:09.159
they started to expose the People's Temple and they were
677
00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:13.840
interviewing ex members and telling what was going on. And
678
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:16.920
GM Jones was informed that this article was going to
679
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:20.920
come out, and I think he phoned them. I think
680
00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:24.760
he tried to stop it. He tried to kind of imply,
681
00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:29.679
like I think he tried to imply use a conspiracy
682
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:33.159
theorists to imply there was conspiracies against them. Him going
683
00:41:33.199 --> 00:41:35.960
on like now present himself as the victim, which is
684
00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:38.880
you watch any of these kind of narcissist stay like
685
00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:41.760
Andrew Tayor' stuff. They'll do all these things and they'll
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00:41:41.800 --> 00:41:44.000
lie about it, and then suddenly they're the victim when
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00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:46.760
people start talking about it. They'll always kind of take
688
00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:48.599
up this power thing where they're trying to get all
689
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:52.320
this power, and then when things go sour, they're the victim.
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00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:57.119
Everyone's against them, poor me, you know, where as the
691
00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:03.679
list of victims they victimize is you know, long, and
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00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:08.760
so when I mean the guy's paranoid, he's on drugs.
693
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He obviously already has this land in Guyana. What I
694
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:20.000
found so suspicious about his behavior was that within six
695
00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:24.679
hours he literally had his members all packed up to
696
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:28.440
go and left United States within twenty four hours, like
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00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:34.119
over nine hundred members and shuttled off to Guyana. That's
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00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:39.920
some impressive coordination to do in a very short period
699
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:42.559
of time. And I'm thinking, what connections do you have
700
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:43.800
to have to make that happen?
701
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:49.519
Well, I mean, after years of amassing wealth from all
702
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:54.599
these poor people that he manipulated, gaining all these connections,
703
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:57.199
and like you said, the big question is how do
704
00:42:57.239 --> 00:42:59.639
you get those connections to begin with? If that just
705
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:03.840
doesn't come to anybody, So very big question surrounding that.
706
00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:08.000
Yeah, And I mean there's even at the CIA dot gov.
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00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:10.840
There's a pdf. They'll probably deny it, but there's a
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00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:14.079
pdf here It says Reverend Jones was a CIA agent.
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00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:17.199
This was from nineteen eighty one in the Los Angeles Times.
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00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:21.880
San Francisco's survivors of the People Temple's tragedy and relatives
711
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:24.400
of dead followers of the Reverend Jim Jones sued the
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00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:27.920
federal government Wednesday claiming it conspired in the deaths of
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00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:30.960
more than nine hundred cult members. The suit for personal
714
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:34.360
injury and violation of civil rights charges that former Secretary
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of State Cyrus Vance and former CIA director Stanfield Turnner
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participated in a conspiracy with Jones to control Temple members
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who held socialist beliefs. The suit alleges that Jones was
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an employee, servant, and agent or operative of the CIA
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from nineteen sixty three until his death, along with nine
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hundred and twelve other Temple members in the mass suicide murder.
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It's murder in Guyana, and of course Representative Leo Ryan
722
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was murdered amongst other news crew they were visiting there.
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The suit charges that the CIA knew that they had
724
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commissioned the James Warren Jones to embark on a plan
725
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to control and ultimately massacre members of the People's Temple
726
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Monica Begbee, Thomas Rogue, and Tina M. Turner wounded in
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November eighteenth, nineteen seventy eight to attack. Are joined by
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relatives of several cult members. So there's a lawsuit about
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this claiming, you know, it's not just you know, it's
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not just me making up some conspiracy. At the time,
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three years after this massacre, they were being sued. The
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government was being sued because it was strongly believed that
733
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he was tied in with the CIA, right from nineteen
734
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sixty three, that's near the time where he was wanting
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to move to San Francisco.
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It wouldn't surprise me at all all if he was
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being used for some kind of black operation or experiment
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to see just how many people they could get at
739
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the same time to commit a mass suicide. It really
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wouldn't surprise me at all because we've heard about sick
741
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experimentation from these Three Letter agencies and CIA since the
742
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beginning of these institutions. So it really wouldn't surprise me
743
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at all if something that malevolent was behind all this.
744
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Yeah, and it was, you know, and it was the
745
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relatives who were issuing. They would issue packets to press
746
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in Congress, and those relatives are what got Leo Ryan involved,
747
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who wanted to go out and investigate this down in Guyana,
748
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and that's where you know, you get the whole Jonestown massacre.
749
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And Jim Jones had like people were visiting him, news
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00:45:55.719 --> 00:45:58.159
agencies were visiting him, and he would set it all
751
00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:00.760
up to make everything look good. Look a bananas looking
752
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:02.719
at this, and it was. It was a shit show,
753
00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:06.280
a disaster, and he of course had armed guards there.
754
00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:10.519
No one could leave. They were ultimately utterly controlled.
755
00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:16.480
Right, Let's let's go over the final events of that
756
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:21.280
tragic day and everything that kind of unfolded that led
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to it.
758
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:26.800
Yeah. So, well, what happened was that I said, look,
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gle O'Ryan had been informed because the relatives were distributing
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information about what was going on. So he, along with
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Congresswoman Jackie Spear NBC camera crew reporters, headed out to Guyana.
762
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They were just collecting data to see if the relatives
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were telling the truth. So they landed in Georgetown on
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November fifth. Then they flew out to the Port Kaituma airstrip,
765
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and Jones had been made aware that they were coming
766
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long before, so he was prepared for them. He was,
767
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he was ready, and so he had everyone put on
768
00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:02.159
a good show, organize how great everything was, to try
769
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and trick. But when the congressman arrived and everyone was
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looking cheerful, but they could tell something wasn't right. The
771
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could tell it was fake. I mean, you know, if
772
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you've got some instinct that something's going going wrong, and
773
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:20.000
eventually people started to slip you know, the congresswoman and
774
00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:22.239
Leo Ryan, they start to slip them letters like help
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00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:25.559
help us, Like they knew that this was They figured
776
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this is our only way to get out of here.
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00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:33.000
And so I think Leo Ryan was attacked by somebody
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00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:36.199
that night they were doing some kind of performance for them,
779
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and he was actually stabbed a guy named Don Sly,
780
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And so people started to say, we want to leave,
781
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we want to leave, we want to go. And Jim
782
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Jones didn't protest in front of Ryan, and they left
783
00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:55.679
with some people, and Jim Jones had this thing called
784
00:47:55.719 --> 00:47:58.679
the Red Brigade, he called them, and his dudes with
785
00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:01.960
machine guns basically of thugs, and so he had them
786
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:05.519
go down to Port Tituna and that's where all hell
787
00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:09.320
breaks loose, and they gunned down le O'Ryan. They killed
788
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the NBC News crew crew. Congresswoman Jackie Spear is the
789
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:17.800
only one I think who survived. She laid down and
790
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:18.480
played dead.
791
00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:19.360
Wow.
792
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Yeah, it was pretty crazy. It was absolutely crazy. She
793
00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:35.599
had five bullets shot into her. And you know, there's
794
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:40.519
there's there's you can find like clips. Jim Jones recorded
795
00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:44.880
everything on audio in the last forty five minutes, and
796
00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:48.280
it's pretty horrible. Yeah, because as soon as that happened,
797
00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:52.159
he was like, Okay, it's time to go. And not
798
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:57.000
everybody drank kool aid. Most a lot of people were injected,
799
00:48:57.199 --> 00:49:00.960
forcefully shot. What he did was he made a lot
800
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of the adults and Jack make their children drink the cyanide,
801
00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:10.599
and then once their children died, they wanted to die. Wow,
802
00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:14.920
so they had to listen to their babies die. It's
803
00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:18.039
pretty two hundred and sixty of the nine hundred were
804
00:49:18.119 --> 00:49:23.559
children and so yeah, and then I think Jones shot
805
00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:27.519
himself and the other members shot. He shot everybody, and
806
00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:31.800
everybody was just gone. And by the time anyone got there,
807
00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:36.679
some people that had still escaped, like literally through the
808
00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:39.400
jungle escaped and managed to leave and report what happened.
809
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:43.280
And so by the time anyone got there, it was
810
00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:46.400
just a massive pile of bodies out in the middle
811
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:47.039
of the jungle.
812
00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:51.719
Yeah, And anyone can find those pictures online if they
813
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:53.880
had the stomach for it. But it's pretty horrible.
814
00:49:54.440 --> 00:49:58.119
Yeah, And I've listened to the recordings, and you know,
815
00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:00.840
it's not easy thing to listen to so be warned.
816
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:08.000
It's this craze, drugged up MK ultra nutjob preaching on
817
00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:11.000
while people are being screaming and crying and being murdered.
818
00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:14.440
It it's crazy. It's like worse than a horror movie.
819
00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:18.880
Right now, you have a few talking points at the
820
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:24.159
end of your little presentation, possibilities, speculations of what was
821
00:50:24.199 --> 00:50:27.000
really going on. We covered some of those as you went,
822
00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:31.079
you know, the possible CIA ties. Was he some sort
823
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:34.840
of CIA asset? Was this some sort of grand experiment?
824
00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:38.719
Who knows? But the question I have is do you
825
00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:43.480
think he originally intended to kill himself or did he
826
00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:45.800
want to really escape the whole thing?
827
00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:49.920
Well, I think it's sort of like any kind of
828
00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:55.480
crazy lunaric. He's obviously always for himself. He probably, you know,
829
00:50:55.639 --> 00:50:59.119
maybe he had plans, because there's people said he had
830
00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:03.400
planned to fleet Russia or Cuba. But when you're dealing
831
00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:08.639
with this sort of narcissistic fake persona and it starts
832
00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:12.039
to break down and you see the real monster, you
833
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:17.000
see what's really beneath, and they can't contain that psychotic persona,
834
00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:22.599
oftentimes they will become sus They'll just yeah, they'd rather
835
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:25.199
be dead than being custody. They'd rather be dead than
836
00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:26.920
have anyone else have control over them.
837
00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:29.360
Well, it's also speculated that a lot of these MK
838
00:51:29.559 --> 00:51:35.760
ultra victims have this self destruct mechanism or trigger whenever
839
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:39.400
things get out of hand, that they're just programmed to
840
00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:41.199
off themselves.
841
00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:43.679
Right, so then they're gone and no one else can
842
00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:46.840
interrogate them and find out, you know, what they were
843
00:51:46.880 --> 00:51:51.239
really involved in. Very true, very true, and it's kind
844
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:54.079
of there's also the idea that it was a sye up.
845
00:51:55.239 --> 00:51:57.159
Jim Jones was a syge up and it was part
846
00:51:57.159 --> 00:52:01.679
of him ruining ruining you know, prosperity of black Americans,
847
00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:05.119
and ruining the civil rights movement. I mean, we've seen
848
00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:09.039
this with like, oh, what's his name? He was to
849
00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:14.920
ruin the hippie movement manson, Yeah, ruined the anti war movement.
850
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:18.360
You find out that they're multi layered. There's many purposes
851
00:52:18.400 --> 00:52:20.960
to it. It could have been all of these things
852
00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:25.199
that we're mentioning just to serve different purposes for one
853
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:28.000
big operation exactly.
854
00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:33.400
And it's I don't know when he met with them,
855
00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:38.079
but it's it's obvious from nineteen sixty three on he's
856
00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:41.800
he's in with some kind of something beyond his own church. Yeah,
857
00:52:41.800 --> 00:52:42.719
and his own means.
858
00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:45.840
This is so interesting.
859
00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:53.199
And today people worship him. Unfortunately, yeah, unfortunately, well people
860
00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:56.039
worshiping you know, these these women that worship I found
861
00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:58.119
a group this. I don't even think the group exists anymore.
862
00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:00.000
I found it years ago and I was doing screen
863
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:02.360
shots from them, but they do. They were doing things
864
00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:05.960
like Jim Jones Fashion Day. Oh look, they would post
865
00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:07.960
pictures look at Jim Jones on this day in this
866
00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:10.000
suit and this when they would dress up like him,
867
00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:14.519
or they would make weird concoctions and crafts about him.
868
00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:18.159
Or they would make like a brew like one person
869
00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:23.119
did a Holy Trinity art project, and one bottle like
870
00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:27.199
they're like these jeweled bottles, and one has his gym's
871
00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:32.760
is representative Jim's urine and decomposition fluid, and one jars
872
00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:36.199
got fat and chat like it's very oculty. It's like
873
00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:39.719
they're trying to make occult rituals and say it's Jim's whatever.
874
00:53:40.159 --> 00:53:43.519
And these people they write poetry about him, and it's
875
00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:47.800
like these sick, borderline crazy women who are idolized. I mean,
876
00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:51.079
it's like those chicks who who try to marry serial
877
00:53:51.159 --> 00:53:53.360
killers while they're in prison. You know, it's really weird.
878
00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:58.159
Yeah, it's super weird. This is so crazy, Melissa, thank
879
00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:00.840
you so much. This was great information and I learned
880
00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:04.320
so much. Looking forward to the next time. We always
881
00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:08.960
have fascinating discussions. Before we close out today, remind everyone
882
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:11.079
where they can find all your content.
883
00:54:12.039 --> 00:54:15.360
Well, I've got shows on Jim Jones. So if you
884
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:19.360
go to whether gen xonex dot com and any of
885
00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:22.239
those links there and sift through the library stuff, there
886
00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:24.480
is stuff where we do some stuff on Jim Jones,
887
00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:26.000
so we can find it there. But there's also lots
888
00:54:26.039 --> 00:54:28.719
of political stuff, spiritual stuff. Chris is going to be
889
00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:30.519
coming on my show. It's going to be pretty cool
890
00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:32.159
at the end of the month, so he'll be there.
891
00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:34.039
So Joe, you can join us. I think it's the
892
00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:37.559
thirtieth of January. We're live streaming at eight pm easternth
893
00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:40.000
so you can join us for that. And there's lots
894
00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:47.079
of stuff on politics, on conspiracy theories, talking about daily stuff.
895
00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:49.559
I also want to do some more things about getting
896
00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:53.320
guests on to actually show what extremists on the left
897
00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:56.639
are you know doing, and you know where this sort
898
00:54:56.639 --> 00:54:59.719
of dismantling of society comes from and how they think
899
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:02.920
just because you know, they're still around. They don't go anywhere,
900
00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:05.599
they stay around. They're all over the place, so everybody
901
00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:08.559
thinks they're gone, but they're not. Yeah, you know, so
902
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:10.880
I just kind of who knows where it will go.
903
00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:12.840
But if you go to gen xon x dot com,
904
00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:16.239
you will find all the links to subscribe and support
905
00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:17.920
the show, and I would really appreciate it.
906
00:55:18.320 --> 00:55:21.480
Awesome, Melissa, thank you so much. Looking forward to coming
907
00:55:21.639 --> 00:55:24.719
on your show in a bit and we'll definitely do
908
00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:28.039
this again. Until next time, everyone, have a wonderful evening.
909
00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:33.519
We'll talk again tomorrow. See you then. We live in
910
00:55:33.559 --> 00:55:36.679
an incredible age of information. Today, I want to welcome
911
00:55:36.760 --> 00:55:43.320
Jordan Sather. He is a citizen journalist, film producer, and entrepreneur. Jordan, Welcome,
912
00:55:43.400 --> 00:55:44.000
How you doing.
913
00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:46.840
I'm doing fantastic. How you doing?
914
00:55:47.559 --> 00:55:51.519
I'm doing excellent. Today we're going to discuss the unfortunate
915
00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:57.440
state of the alternative media space, specifically the UFO conspiracy communities.
916
00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:00.679
I've been in this space for almost nine years now.
917
00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:06.079
I've seen many researchers, whistleblowers, and contact ees come and go,
918
00:56:06.840 --> 00:56:10.440
and there are plenty of amazing people with important and
919
00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:16.119
genuine insights and experiences to share, but it seems that grifters,
920
00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:19.920
con men, and even three letter and military agents and
921
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:25.320
assets have infiltrated this space to a disturbing degree. You've
922
00:56:25.360 --> 00:56:28.920
had first hand experience with this by working directly with
923
00:56:29.000 --> 00:56:33.199
people like that. David Wilcock and Corey Good have become
924
00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:36.920
two of the most notorious grifters in the UFO community.
925
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:40.599
I'm absolutely amazed that they still have any kind of
926
00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:45.280
following after everything that's come out. And you were recently
927
00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:50.039
featured in Darcy Weir's film about the Good Wilcox Soaka,
928
00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:53.199
and I'm really looking forward to hearing more about that,
929
00:56:53.800 --> 00:56:58.239
getting your insights into what really happened with that whole thing,
930
00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:03.599
as well as getting your insights into the phenomena itself
931
00:57:03.800 --> 00:57:08.679
and what has been unfolding lately with mash drone sightings
932
00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:12.760
across the United States and even in UK and other places.
933
00:57:12.760 --> 00:57:16.079
From what I've heard, so lots to discuss today, but
934
00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:18.360
this is your first time on and we've only got
935
00:57:18.360 --> 00:57:22.280
an hour, but tell us a little bit about yourself
936
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:24.880
and what got you involved with this work.
937
00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:30.920
Yeah, the whole alternative media social media sphere right now
938
00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:34.119
is basically a wild West, and with so many people
939
00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:37.159
moving away from the mainstream media propaganda, which is a
940
00:57:37.159 --> 00:57:40.920
good thing, they're going on to social media, into alternative
941
00:57:40.920 --> 00:57:45.039
media platforms for their news, and it's still a wild
942
00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:48.440
West out there. It's a whole new realm of propaganda
943
00:57:48.480 --> 00:57:51.320
that a lot of people have a tough time seeing through.
944
00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:57.119
But anyway, for my own personal story, i'll make this
945
00:57:57.159 --> 00:58:02.679
real quick. Sorry. Back in about twenty eleven twenty twelve
946
00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:06.400
is when I started waking up to the matrix, I
947
00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:09.639
guess you could say. And it started with seeing the
948
00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:14.360
pharmaceutical industry, but I soon unraveled that thread, and of course,
949
00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:17.679
in some way, shape or form, everything's connected. And I
950
00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:21.800
started digging into well, the better reserve and our banking
951
00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:25.280
system because I saw the Rockefeller medical system. Who were
952
00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:29.280
these Rockefellers. Oh, they're also involved in setting up the
953
00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:33.760
banking systems. Oh, and there were also industrialist oil barren
954
00:58:33.840 --> 00:58:38.360
banking families. So I started diving into the suppressed technology
955
00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:42.079
topic and everything about that. So back in about twenty eleven,
956
00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:45.239
before we had a lot of these alt media social
957
00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:49.000
media platforms, most of the conspiracy research was done on
958
00:58:49.159 --> 00:58:52.639
like forums and obscure blogs and stuff like that, right,
959
00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:57.320
and I came across somehow. I came across David Wilcox's work,
960
00:58:57.480 --> 00:59:00.280
his website, and at the time he just publish his
961
00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:04.480
first book called The Source Field Investigations, And for some
962
00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:07.320
reason or another, I was just so new to all
963
00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:11.199
this research that I bought what David Wilcock was selling,
964
00:59:11.800 --> 00:59:14.840
and I was hooked on his blog and thinking he
965
00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:18.360
had all these insiders and oh my gosh, these Intel
966
00:59:18.440 --> 00:59:21.639
briefings and all this sort of stuff. So I thought, oh,
967
00:59:21.679 --> 00:59:24.679
this is the best information I can get right now. Well,
968
00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:27.559
I kept following him, and then it was about twenty fourteen,
969
00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:30.639
twenty fifteen that David brought Corey Good onto the scene
970
00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:33.480
one of his secret Space program insiders, and he brought
971
00:59:33.480 --> 00:59:37.920
Corey Good out. So I was believing that circus. And
972
00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:42.119
then come early twenty seventeen, it was January twenty seventeen,
973
00:59:42.159 --> 00:59:46.159
I had the inspiration to start a YouTube channel that
974
00:59:46.199 --> 00:59:50.480
I called Destroying the Illusion, and I was talking about
975
00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:53.920
three main things. One was my interest in health exposing
976
00:59:54.039 --> 00:59:59.039
big pharma. One was my interest in politics looking at
977
00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:01.400
it from a more new perspective. And then also, of
978
01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:05.440
course the UFO secret space program, suppress technologies topics. So
979
01:00:05.480 --> 01:00:07.239
those are the three main things I was talking about,
980
01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:13.880
and my channel grew relatively quick. I guess within three
981
01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:17.360
to four months I had twenty thousand subscribers or so.
982
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:20.480
But I guess I caught the attention of Corey Good
983
01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:23.280
and Corey Good's team because his business partner at the
984
01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:26.119
time reached out to me and invited me to come
985
01:00:26.159 --> 01:00:30.239
down to the Contact in the Desert conference in twenty seventeen.
986
01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:32.519
That was the last one they held at Joshua Tree
987
01:00:32.679 --> 01:00:35.760
when it was still held there. So I agreed to go,
988
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:40.039
went to Contact in twenty seventeen, met Corey and his team,
989
01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:43.239
and then I kind of got swept up into that
990
01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:45.880
group and started working with them on a bunch of
991
01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:50.440
different projects, going to conferences and events with them. Ended
992
01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:55.800
up co producing their above Majestic documentary, which for the record,
993
01:00:56.239 --> 01:00:58.039
I still think is a great piece of work. But
994
01:00:58.199 --> 01:01:01.039
if I could redo that, I would absolutely redo that
995
01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:04.400
and cut out you know, Corey Good and most, if
996
01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:07.159
not all, of David Wilcox's pieces in there. But so
997
01:01:08.039 --> 01:01:11.159
co produced a bubb majestic and ended up working with
998
01:01:11.239 --> 01:01:13.400
Corey and David and all of them that group for
999
01:01:14.239 --> 01:01:18.360
about two years through twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen. But
1000
01:01:18.400 --> 01:01:21.840
towards the end of twenty nineteen, I just saw a
1001
01:01:21.880 --> 01:01:26.000
lot of stuff that maybe beforehand I was in denial about,
1002
01:01:26.239 --> 01:01:30.119
or new fresh things that really just started making me
1003
01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:34.599
question that whole group, especially how Corey and David operated.
1004
01:01:35.960 --> 01:01:41.800
I Number one, I witnessed really weird, shady business dealings.
1005
01:01:41.800 --> 01:01:44.320
I think they were shady, and just how they conducted
1006
01:01:44.360 --> 01:01:48.119
their business behind the scenes I did not think was
1007
01:01:48.159 --> 01:01:51.119
fair at all. I saw let the little power plays
1008
01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:53.239
go on, and you know, we can get into that
1009
01:01:53.320 --> 01:01:55.119
more if you want to, but I was not a
1010
01:01:55.159 --> 01:01:58.320
fan of how they conducted their business behind the scenes.
1011
01:01:58.679 --> 01:02:01.880
I thought how they operated it was quite unfair. I
1012
01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:07.400
also saw how they portrayed narratives to the public, and
1013
01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:10.480
these were narratives that, you know, I saw behind the
1014
01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:12.599
scenes that didn't match up with what they were telling
1015
01:02:12.599 --> 01:02:15.639
their followers publicly. So, for instance, on the whole insider thing,
1016
01:02:16.800 --> 01:02:19.800
at one point in twenty eighteen, I took a trip
1017
01:02:19.880 --> 01:02:26.039
to go meet two of David Wilcox's supposed alliance insiders,
1018
01:02:27.199 --> 01:02:32.480
and that whole that whole situation just left a real
1019
01:02:32.519 --> 01:02:36.519
bad taste in my mouth. These people did not They
1020
01:02:36.519 --> 01:02:39.880
were not inside of anything except maybe David Wilcox's head.
1021
01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:43.920
But then I saw David continuously promote these people as
1022
01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:47.840
being Alliance insiders in his articles and in his public work.
1023
01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:51.320
So wasn't a fan of the whole insiders I'm getting
1024
01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:54.679
intel briefings thing. I just thought that was really sketchy.
1025
01:02:55.559 --> 01:02:58.079
A lot of the business dealings I saw I also
1026
01:02:58.159 --> 01:03:01.519
was not a fan of. And also, how you know,
1027
01:03:01.519 --> 01:03:05.039
towards the end of twenty nineteen early twenty twenty, especially
1028
01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:08.320
early twenty twenty, the whole COVID whatever you want to
1029
01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:12.360
call it, hit, so a lot of Internet influencers they
1030
01:03:12.360 --> 01:03:14.800
couldn't go out, so they decided to start doing a
1031
01:03:14.800 --> 01:03:16.960
bunch of live streams. And at this point David started
1032
01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:19.679
doing a bunch of live streams on his channel. And
1033
01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:22.960
I remember one specific video I think is still up
1034
01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:28.519
on his YouTube channel. He titled it WikiLeaks Dumps All Files,
1035
01:03:29.519 --> 01:03:35.480
Huge breaking News or something like that. Number one, This
1036
01:03:35.679 --> 01:03:39.199
was not WikiLeaks dumping all files. What David came across
1037
01:03:39.320 --> 01:03:42.119
was a URL that was an index page of all
1038
01:03:42.159 --> 01:03:46.559
of WikiLeaks drops dumps they've ever put out it was
1039
01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:50.400
nothing new, and this index file has been online for years.
1040
01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:55.480
It only takes two three minutes of research to figure
1041
01:03:55.480 --> 01:03:58.840
out it was nothing new. So David did this whole
1042
01:03:58.920 --> 01:04:04.000
two hour live stream based upon easily debunkable information, getting
1043
01:04:04.039 --> 01:04:07.519
the headline wrong, and then proceeds to in his YouTube
1044
01:04:07.599 --> 01:04:12.119
video sell his three hundred and thirty three dollars video
1045
01:04:12.280 --> 01:04:18.000
course that he just came out with so exorbitantly priced
1046
01:04:18.199 --> 01:04:20.559
products that in my opinion, were not worth the money,
1047
01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:28.320
using false information in my opinion, delusions of grandeur that
1048
01:04:29.519 --> 01:04:33.320
David suffers from, but also Corey. I remember Corey came
1049
01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:35.159
out with his new website in twenty nineteen and he
1050
01:04:35.239 --> 01:04:39.360
was calling himself the Enoch of our modern times on
1051
01:04:39.440 --> 01:04:44.360
his website and then using this legal defense fund to
1052
01:04:44.360 --> 01:04:45.840
try to raise a bunch of money. And I saw
1053
01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:49.679
his lawsuits in his lawsuits, in my opinion, were total garbage.
1054
01:04:50.559 --> 01:04:54.119
But he's putting out these gofundmes so he can raise
1055
01:04:54.159 --> 01:04:56.559
all this money for his legal defense fund. But it
1056
01:04:56.719 --> 01:05:01.360
just none of it. Yeah, it I started to basically
1057
01:05:01.880 --> 01:05:04.920
clear my eyes, and I'm like, anymore, so.
1058
01:05:04.760 --> 01:05:08.079
Did he have lawsuits against Because this became a major thing.
1059
01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:12.079
Basically suing everybody at some point, But at first, what
1060
01:05:12.159 --> 01:05:14.880
were the earliest legal suits that he had.
1061
01:05:16.760 --> 01:05:18.559
Yeah, it's uh, I'm gonna have to go back through
1062
01:05:18.559 --> 01:05:20.760
my memory banks because there's been a lot of people
1063
01:05:20.800 --> 01:05:24.480
that's been sued at this point. But oddly enough, who
1064
01:05:24.519 --> 01:05:26.960
has sued Corey? I don't know if anybody has. But
1065
01:05:27.199 --> 01:05:29.840
let's see, there was Corey's lawsuit against Cliff High, the
1066
01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:33.800
Cliff High won, and then Corey I think he still
1067
01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:38.360
has a lawsuit going against Gaya. And then Corey sued
1068
01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:42.559
a bunch of his former business partners, three of them Roger, Leon,
1069
01:05:42.599 --> 01:05:46.039
and Adrian. Roger was the one that initially contacted me
1070
01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:48.000
and got me into their group back in twenty seventeen.
1071
01:05:48.480 --> 01:05:54.480
But there became business power plays, business disagreements or whatever,
1072
01:05:54.880 --> 01:06:00.719
and Corey claimed that Leon, Adrian, and Roger were embezzling
1073
01:06:00.800 --> 01:06:10.719
money from the documentary accounts and elsewhere. But what ended
1074
01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:14.800
up happening is that Corey was the one that had
1075
01:06:14.800 --> 01:06:18.519
the distribution company put all the movie royalties into his
1076
01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:22.840
own account he created, and then he started claiming that
1077
01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:26.559
Leon and Roger and Adrian were the ones embezzling the funds.
1078
01:06:27.199 --> 01:06:29.880
But wait, why did you set up your own personal
1079
01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:32.320
account to get all the money dumped into Corey, And
1080
01:06:32.480 --> 01:06:36.320
why have none of those royalties been paid out since
1081
01:06:36.320 --> 01:06:39.280
you started that account, Corey? But Corey, you're over here
1082
01:06:39.280 --> 01:06:43.840
claiming they're the ones in bezzling funds. So I saw
1083
01:06:43.880 --> 01:06:49.119
those lawsuits come out, and the narratives that were in
1084
01:06:49.159 --> 01:06:54.920
those lawsuits, and then all of the disagreements about accounts
1085
01:06:54.960 --> 01:06:57.719
and the way that he worked with the distribution company,
1086
01:06:57.719 --> 01:07:00.840
which was ten ninety one Films, set up this account
1087
01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:02.679
to get all the money dumped into his own personal
1088
01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:05.719
account away from everybody else. I'm like, this is this
1089
01:07:05.800 --> 01:07:09.000
is just a mess. I can't deal with these egos anymore.
1090
01:07:09.960 --> 01:07:14.239
Ultimately, how did you separate yourself? And maybe just give
1091
01:07:14.360 --> 01:07:18.039
us a brief recap of the series of events to follow.
1092
01:07:18.119 --> 01:07:20.519
I don't want to spend the whole show on good
1093
01:07:20.519 --> 01:07:22.719
and Willcock, but I think it is important that the
1094
01:07:22.760 --> 01:07:26.159
audience understands in case they run across any of these
1095
01:07:26.239 --> 01:07:29.960
videos or feel compelled by any of the previous information
1096
01:07:30.079 --> 01:07:32.719
they put out, they should know who these people really are.
1097
01:07:33.199 --> 01:07:35.360
So just tell us a little bit about how everything
1098
01:07:35.440 --> 01:07:36.480
unfolded after.
1099
01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:40.840
Yeah, no, that's a quick answer to this one. In
1100
01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:45.239
twenty nineteen, Corey and David held a conference in Ventura,
1101
01:07:45.320 --> 01:07:50.800
California called Dimensions of Disclosure. It might have been called
1102
01:07:50.840 --> 01:07:54.480
something to that effect. And I had went and spoken
1103
01:07:54.519 --> 01:07:58.280
at that and then after that, you know, it's not
1104
01:07:58.360 --> 01:08:01.760
like I was texting or Corey every single day or
1105
01:08:01.760 --> 01:08:04.920
anything throughout the whole time period. I was sort of
1106
01:08:04.920 --> 01:08:09.079
working with him and his group, but just didn't hear
1107
01:08:09.119 --> 01:08:11.159
from him for a while. I didn't reach out to
1108
01:08:11.239 --> 01:08:16.479
him for a while. Then I started hearing from Roger
1109
01:08:16.520 --> 01:08:19.560
Lee on an Adrian sort of what was going on
1110
01:08:19.680 --> 01:08:23.880
with the lawsuits, and I don't know. At the beginning
1111
01:08:23.880 --> 01:08:25.920
of twenty twenty, I think I just got sick of
1112
01:08:25.960 --> 01:08:28.079
their stuff, what I was seeing them put out. And
1113
01:08:28.119 --> 01:08:30.720
then on my social media accounts, I put out this
1114
01:08:30.840 --> 01:08:35.159
sort of pr statement where I said, I'm grateful for
1115
01:08:35.239 --> 01:08:36.680
the time that I worked with him, but I just
1116
01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:39.479
can't work with him anymore. So that's how I kind
1117
01:08:39.479 --> 01:08:42.600
of severed those ties, is just putting out that statement.
1118
01:08:42.720 --> 01:08:46.399
And yeah, really after that conference in Ventura, which was
1119
01:08:46.560 --> 01:08:50.399
August twenty nineteen, I just didn't didn't talk to them
1120
01:08:50.479 --> 01:08:54.039
much anymore and got sick of their sick of what
1121
01:08:54.119 --> 01:08:57.439
I was seeing and put out that little social media
1122
01:08:57.479 --> 01:09:00.520
statement that kind of burned my bridges with those guys.
1123
01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:06.720
So yeah, Ever since then, I haven't spoken much about it,
1124
01:09:06.800 --> 01:09:08.960
like here and there in some videos that I do
1125
01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:12.199
and whatnot, I've spoken about my experiences with them. But
1126
01:09:12.479 --> 01:09:18.319
I got contacted by Darcy in twenty twenty two, a
1127
01:09:18.319 --> 01:09:20.520
couple of years ago, and Darcy told me that he
1128
01:09:20.600 --> 01:09:24.199
was working on this expose film of these guys. And
1129
01:09:24.239 --> 01:09:26.159
I got to talking to Darcy and I'm like, eh,
1130
01:09:26.239 --> 01:09:30.000
Darcy's pretty legit, you know, he's it's it's refreshing working
1131
01:09:30.039 --> 01:09:33.399
with somebody who has integrity and is honest and pays
1132
01:09:33.439 --> 01:09:35.399
what he's said he's gonna pay and does it on
1133
01:09:35.479 --> 01:09:39.000
time and all that. So Darcy was a cool guy,
1134
01:09:39.159 --> 01:09:41.840
and he shared with me some of the research he
1135
01:09:41.920 --> 01:09:45.079
got for these films. I'm like, wow, you know, you
1136
01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:47.239
know more about Corey David than I do. And I
1137
01:09:47.279 --> 01:09:50.079
worked with him for a couple of years. So Darcy
1138
01:09:50.119 --> 01:09:52.760
did a great research for these films and he asked
1139
01:09:52.800 --> 01:09:55.279
me to sit down and appear in them and said totally,
1140
01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:59.840
I'll share my story, no problem. So I did, and
1141
01:10:00.039 --> 01:10:04.359
and then a couple of months back, The Dark Alliance
1142
01:10:04.439 --> 01:10:08.079
film finally released, and the first two episodes are on
1143
01:10:08.199 --> 01:10:12.760
Amazon for a whopping ninety nine cents, so hell of
1144
01:10:12.760 --> 01:10:15.279
a lot better price than a three hundred and thirty
1145
01:10:15.319 --> 01:10:21.439
three dollars video course. Yeah and yeah. Episode number one
1146
01:10:21.560 --> 01:10:25.159
sort of dives into Jay Widner's story working with these
1147
01:10:25.159 --> 01:10:29.920
guys and Guya, which Guya is a whole different conversation
1148
01:10:29.960 --> 01:10:34.560
about them, but episode one dives into sort of how
1149
01:10:34.760 --> 01:10:37.479
David and Corey came up, how they started working with Gaya,
1150
01:10:37.800 --> 01:10:40.800
Jay Widner's experiences with working with them, and then episode
1151
01:10:40.840 --> 01:10:44.279
number two, Leon is in that one, so Leon decided
1152
01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:46.760
to sit down and give his side of the story.
1153
01:10:47.199 --> 01:10:50.439
And then I'm also in episode number two as well,
1154
01:10:50.520 --> 01:10:55.119
So no, yeah, I was. I was impressed with Darcy's work.
1155
01:10:55.119 --> 01:10:57.399
I'm more than happy to work with him. And now
1156
01:10:57.439 --> 01:11:01.319
the films are out and here I am, you know,
1157
01:11:01.880 --> 01:11:04.000
sharing these stories on a bunch of podcasts and stuff,
1158
01:11:04.039 --> 01:11:07.239
which is a cathartic, nice and captive.
1159
01:11:07.279 --> 01:11:10.760
Man. I dig that we live in an era like
1160
01:11:10.800 --> 01:11:13.640
we've been discussing, where there seems to be a lot
1161
01:11:13.680 --> 01:11:19.880
of infiltration and misinformation surrounding specifically UFOs, but almost everything
1162
01:11:20.439 --> 01:11:24.159
in our mainstream reality to certain degrees, and it seems
1163
01:11:24.199 --> 01:11:27.399
to be all connected, like you said earlier, to a
1164
01:11:27.439 --> 01:11:31.119
certain degree. But when it comes to UFOs, honestly, there's
1165
01:11:31.159 --> 01:11:35.880
always been deception since the onset of this phenomena, at
1166
01:11:35.960 --> 01:11:41.520
least understanding it as something extraterrestrial, non human visitors from
1167
01:11:41.560 --> 01:11:45.199
other planets. There's always been this level of deception and
1168
01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:50.880
infiltration and trying to steer the collective understanding of what
1169
01:11:51.159 --> 01:11:57.680
is really happening. There's always been heavy military infiltration and involvement,
1170
01:11:58.319 --> 01:12:02.880
and it's always been difficult to get a true understanding,
1171
01:12:03.359 --> 01:12:07.920
especially if you're dealing with any institution or government agency.
1172
01:12:08.479 --> 01:12:11.640
I've always thought the best way to understand this phenomenon
1173
01:12:11.880 --> 01:12:16.119
is through genuine experiences, people who have had the encounters,
1174
01:12:16.159 --> 01:12:20.199
people who are honest about them and genuinely believe the experiences.
1175
01:12:20.840 --> 01:12:24.960
For me, that's my favorite way to explore the phenomena.
1176
01:12:25.039 --> 01:12:28.239
Although I do pay attention to all the mainstream information
1177
01:12:28.399 --> 01:12:30.800
that comes out just so I have a bigger picture
1178
01:12:31.319 --> 01:12:36.399
of everything. But what we're seeing right now is super interesting.
1179
01:12:36.920 --> 01:12:41.840
The revival really started in twenty seventeen with the tic
1180
01:12:41.920 --> 01:12:46.119
TAC incident, and it's kind of grown from there waning
1181
01:12:46.199 --> 01:12:49.399
in interest, and then we'd have a sighting or congressional
1182
01:12:49.439 --> 01:12:53.000
hearing and then the excitement would start up again. But
1183
01:12:53.119 --> 01:12:56.119
for the past few weeks, this is the most interesting
1184
01:12:56.760 --> 01:13:02.039
activity that I've ever seen, and puzzlement by the entire
1185
01:13:02.239 --> 01:13:06.319
world really from what has been unfolding, and the theories
1186
01:13:06.359 --> 01:13:14.319
have been everything from military black projects, foreign governments, adversaries,
1187
01:13:14.840 --> 01:13:21.159
to advance drones of some sort, to alien or extraterrestrials.
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01:13:21.600 --> 01:13:25.239
So very fascinating series of events that have been unfolding.
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01:13:25.760 --> 01:13:29.359
Let's start with your understanding of the phenomena in general
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01:13:29.439 --> 01:13:32.119
and where you started with it, and maybe where your
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01:13:32.239 --> 01:13:33.640
understanding is now.
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01:13:35.600 --> 01:13:40.720
So basically what I think is going on. I'll get
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01:13:40.760 --> 01:13:43.960
to my theories on the drones and what's been going
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01:13:43.960 --> 01:13:46.000
on the past few weeks. Where do you want to
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01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:50.159
call them drones or UFOs UAPs, whatever stuff in the sky.
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01:13:51.439 --> 01:13:54.319
I want to touch on the last seven years. You
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01:13:54.399 --> 01:14:00.520
mentioned the interest started again primarily because the two New
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01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:02.760
York Times articles that came out in December twenty seventeen.
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01:14:03.399 --> 01:14:08.479
Although I highly question the agenda at play here, because
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01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:11.359
when I see the mainstream media and the government sort
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01:14:11.359 --> 01:14:13.600
of collude to bring out these narratives and oh it's
1202
01:14:13.640 --> 01:14:17.039
cool to talk about now, Well, why why did you
1203
01:14:17.039 --> 01:14:20.880
get greenlit to come out with this secret UFO program
1204
01:14:20.920 --> 01:14:23.000
and these black and white TikTok videos and whatever the case?
1205
01:14:23.319 --> 01:14:24.399
What's the real agenda here?
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01:14:24.479 --> 01:14:24.680
Right?
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01:14:25.000 --> 01:14:29.359
Because, like you said, for decades, there's been a suppression
1208
01:14:29.399 --> 01:14:30.960
of this issue since all the way back in the
1209
01:14:31.000 --> 01:14:34.279
forties and fifties and the Project Blue Book Gatekeepers, and
1210
01:14:34.840 --> 01:14:37.840
for so long it's been a ridiculed subject, or if
1211
01:14:37.840 --> 01:14:40.079
you're not ridiculed, you'll get black suits trying to shut
1212
01:14:40.119 --> 01:14:43.000
you down and all this sort of stuff. Well, why
1213
01:14:43.039 --> 01:14:45.960
all of a sudden in twenty seventeen did they bring
1214
01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:48.399
this stuff out. Well, if you look at their narratives,
1215
01:14:48.840 --> 01:14:51.800
I think one big tell that there's some sort of
1216
01:14:51.960 --> 01:14:54.640
UFO sy op in play at the mainstream level is
1217
01:14:54.720 --> 01:14:58.880
because one narrative that I've heard the New York Times promote,
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01:14:59.399 --> 01:15:04.840
I've heard some of these UFO legacy influencers promote, including
1219
01:15:05.079 --> 01:15:09.399
Louel Azando, Jeremy Corbel. Maybe we could call these individuals
1220
01:15:09.439 --> 01:15:14.560
gatekeepers or whatever, or useful idiots, but we that narrative
1221
01:15:14.760 --> 01:15:20.359
is that these UFOs could be Russia, they could be China,
1222
01:15:20.760 --> 01:15:23.399
they could even be aliens. But we know for a
1223
01:15:23.520 --> 01:15:28.760
fact they are not US made technology. I'm sitting there.
1224
01:15:28.800 --> 01:15:30.920
You know, that was in a government report that was
1225
01:15:30.960 --> 01:15:33.600
in New York Times articles, Lessondo, Jeremy Corbel, a lot
1226
01:15:33.600 --> 01:15:36.720
of these guys promoting that narrative. How are you so
1227
01:15:36.840 --> 01:15:40.520
sure it's not US made? I mean, if they are
1228
01:15:40.600 --> 01:15:44.439
man made, I would think that the US would be,
1229
01:15:44.520 --> 01:15:47.600
you know, the number one nation that would have secret
1230
01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:51.039
black project craft with exotic propulsion systems. So that makes
1231
01:15:51.079 --> 01:15:53.359
me question highly right there. And when you also look
1232
01:15:53.399 --> 01:15:57.039
at the information they're coming out with, they're just talking
1233
01:15:57.079 --> 01:16:00.279
about what the a tip program that ran from two
1234
01:16:00.319 --> 01:16:02.920
thousand and eight to twenty twelve or fourteen or whatever,
1235
01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:06.560
just a few years, a few million bucks in this project.
1236
01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:09.119
All they were doing is just studying photos and videos,
1237
01:16:09.720 --> 01:16:12.960
nothing really extravagant. So what I think it is is
1238
01:16:13.119 --> 01:16:16.560
a limited hangout operation. And the idea of a limited
1239
01:16:16.600 --> 01:16:19.920
hangout is that when the veil of secrecy starts to
1240
01:16:19.960 --> 01:16:24.199
get shrouded, basically people are asking questions that you don't
1241
01:16:24.239 --> 01:16:27.840
want them to ask, you bring out, you offer, volunteer
1242
01:16:27.960 --> 01:16:31.319
up a little bit of truth to placate them, placate
1243
01:16:31.359 --> 01:16:34.840
the questioners in order to get them to stop questioning,
1244
01:16:35.039 --> 01:16:37.079
get them happy with the little bit of truth you're
1245
01:16:37.119 --> 01:16:39.079
giving them, and then you can keep the rest of
1246
01:16:39.119 --> 01:16:42.319
the stuff more secret and they won't inquire any further
1247
01:16:42.720 --> 01:16:45.079
into that deeper, more sensitive stuff you want to keep secret.
1248
01:16:45.199 --> 01:16:48.199
So I think it's quite possible we're seeing just a
1249
01:16:48.239 --> 01:16:52.199
limited hangout op where they're offering up a drop in
1250
01:16:52.239 --> 01:16:54.680
the bucket, this little a tip program, couple of black
1251
01:16:54.720 --> 01:16:58.600
and white videos. All we're doing is studying sightings when
1252
01:16:58.680 --> 01:17:03.239
really the defense contractors, in my opinion, have probably already
1253
01:17:03.439 --> 01:17:08.800
developed some saucers or black triangles that utilize electrogravitic technology.
1254
01:17:09.039 --> 01:17:12.960
They probably got a couple. They've probably invested tens, if
1255
01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:15.399
not hundreds of billions of dollars into these black projects,
1256
01:17:15.640 --> 01:17:17.720
which is why the Pentagon has all this missing money
1257
01:17:17.800 --> 01:17:21.920
they can't account for, and defense contractors up charging you know,
1258
01:17:22.000 --> 01:17:24.520
ten thousand dollars for hammers and forty thousand dollars for
1259
01:17:24.520 --> 01:17:29.880
toilet seats. Where's that extra money go? So at the
1260
01:17:29.920 --> 01:17:33.319
mainstream UFO level, I think we're seeing just a pitiful,
1261
01:17:33.960 --> 01:17:36.560
limited hangout siop. And you probably have a couple of
1262
01:17:36.600 --> 01:17:40.159
these influencers being prayed around the media. A couple of
1263
01:17:40.159 --> 01:17:44.640
them probably have disinformation they were given. You probably also
1264
01:17:44.680 --> 01:17:47.039
have a lot of useful idiots, like I would say
1265
01:17:47.119 --> 01:17:49.960
David Grush is in this category. David Grush seems like
1266
01:17:50.000 --> 01:17:53.079
a genuine dude, but he's probably got people in his
1267
01:17:53.159 --> 01:17:57.600
ear given him intel that he's believing and he's trusting,
1268
01:17:58.039 --> 01:18:00.399
and he's you know. So I think we're seeing a
1269
01:18:00.399 --> 01:18:03.520
lot of useful idiots. And then on the other side
1270
01:18:03.520 --> 01:18:06.640
of that spectrum, you've got mainstream media syops going on
1271
01:18:06.680 --> 01:18:09.039
over here. And then as we've been discussing for the
1272
01:18:09.039 --> 01:18:12.800
first part of the show, you've got the crazy conspiracist
1273
01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:16.560
twenty and back. Everybody's an insider. Everybody on the internet's
1274
01:18:16.640 --> 01:18:20.800
channeling these days. You know, if you need a job,
1275
01:18:20.960 --> 01:18:23.359
just call yourself a Secret Space Program whistleblower and guy
1276
01:18:23.439 --> 01:18:27.079
will hire you for a show. So I'm kind of
1277
01:18:27.119 --> 01:18:32.439
like right in the middle. I think these twenty and
1278
01:18:32.479 --> 01:18:35.800
back whistleblowers, I'm a super soldier secret Space Program guy.
1279
01:18:36.159 --> 01:18:38.840
I think a lot of them are full of crap.
1280
01:18:39.279 --> 01:18:42.199
But I'm also not believing the mainstream stuff, and I
1281
01:18:42.239 --> 01:18:44.720
think the truth kind of in the middle deeper than
1282
01:18:44.800 --> 01:18:48.439
what the mainstream is admitting not as extravagant or a
1283
01:18:48.479 --> 01:18:52.479
sensationalist as what you're seeing on social media. So that's
1284
01:18:52.560 --> 01:18:57.399
kind of my opinion on what's happening with the UFO spectrum.
1285
01:18:57.399 --> 01:19:00.319
And it's tough because at the end of the day,
1286
01:19:01.239 --> 01:19:05.960
there's so many, let's see, so many people that don't
1287
01:19:05.960 --> 01:19:09.119
have the full picture. You just kind of have to
1288
01:19:09.159 --> 01:19:11.239
and there's so many questionable people out there, whether it's
1289
01:19:11.359 --> 01:19:15.560
just grifters or opportunists at best, or maybe three letter
1290
01:19:15.600 --> 01:19:19.079
agency disinformation assets at worst, there's a lot of those
1291
01:19:19.119 --> 01:19:23.880
out there, So you just can't assume that everybody has
1292
01:19:24.119 --> 01:19:27.239
one hundred percent of the truth, whoever it is, whether
1293
01:19:27.279 --> 01:19:31.720
it's Alessando or Greer or whoever your favorite UFO podcaster
1294
01:19:31.880 --> 01:19:35.359
is right, you just kind of have to scrub all
1295
01:19:35.359 --> 01:19:39.640
their information and see, I don't even want to say,
1296
01:19:39.680 --> 01:19:45.640
see what resonates, because I don't like that that understanding people.
1297
01:19:45.640 --> 01:19:47.760
I'm gonna go with my gut feeling and see what resonates.
1298
01:19:47.760 --> 01:19:50.239
But what resonates with you might not be the truth, right,
1299
01:19:50.319 --> 01:19:53.600
So anyway, you just kind of have to see what corroborates.
1300
01:19:53.640 --> 01:19:57.279
I guess we could say, And there's so many rumors
1301
01:19:57.359 --> 01:20:02.640
as well too, and people are taking room as evidence
1302
01:20:04.279 --> 01:20:07.119
not the best right. You can't just even in a
1303
01:20:07.159 --> 01:20:11.520
legal courtroom, you can't just enter rumor. You have to
1304
01:20:11.560 --> 01:20:14.199
have things corroborated. You have to have a preponderance of evidence.
1305
01:20:14.359 --> 01:20:18.520
And people are taking certain influencers on the internet as well,
1306
01:20:18.560 --> 01:20:20.960
and they're just blindly believe in them hook line and sinker,
1307
01:20:21.000 --> 01:20:25.359
which is very dangerous. So yeah, it's the UFO subject
1308
01:20:25.479 --> 01:20:28.000
of all of them, is one of the most difficult
1309
01:20:28.520 --> 01:20:32.000
to investigate because there's so many contradicting narratives and all that,
1310
01:20:32.680 --> 01:20:35.039
and at the end of the day, we just kind
1311
01:20:35.039 --> 01:20:39.479
of have to sit in this space of I can
1312
01:20:39.560 --> 01:20:41.159
have an idea of what's going on, but I'm not
1313
01:20:41.159 --> 01:20:43.159
going to know the truth. There's some things we might
1314
01:20:43.199 --> 01:20:45.800
never know the truth about, right, and our egos don't
1315
01:20:45.840 --> 01:20:48.439
like that. Our egos like to think we know exactly
1316
01:20:48.520 --> 01:20:50.479
what's going on, so we can have a secure sense
1317
01:20:50.479 --> 01:20:52.520
of reality, like I know for a fact it's going on.
1318
01:20:53.239 --> 01:20:54.720
At the end of the day, there's some things we
1319
01:20:54.800 --> 01:20:58.399
might never know and some things are We're going to
1320
01:20:58.439 --> 01:21:02.800
require a lot more investigation than just believing these gatekeepers
1321
01:21:02.880 --> 01:21:05.760
or these authorities, whether they're on the mainstream media or
1322
01:21:05.800 --> 01:21:12.319
on social media, self proclaimed authorities or experts on the narrative,
1323
01:21:12.520 --> 01:21:15.720
they might not know either. They might they think they
1324
01:21:15.760 --> 01:21:18.239
know the whole picture because they like to think of
1325
01:21:18.319 --> 01:21:20.880
themselves as experts, but there could be a lot of
1326
01:21:20.880 --> 01:21:23.720
pieces of the picture they're missing. So it's very tough,
1327
01:21:23.760 --> 01:21:28.720
this whole UFO issue. But I do think there's you know,
1328
01:21:28.760 --> 01:21:30.640
there's a lot of people, like you said earlier, a
1329
01:21:30.640 --> 01:21:34.039
lot of witnesses that have come forward, experiencers, So you
1330
01:21:34.119 --> 01:21:37.479
just kind of have to, you know, take in this
1331
01:21:37.600 --> 01:21:40.880
information and then just hold it in the back of
1332
01:21:40.880 --> 01:21:44.359
your mind, but just be cakd about what you are
1333
01:21:44.399 --> 01:21:47.199
confident in believing, and then just see what kind of
1334
01:21:47.239 --> 01:21:50.880
comes to the surface as you continuously go through old
1335
01:21:51.680 --> 01:21:55.159
government documents or listen to these experiencers or witnesses, or
1336
01:21:55.199 --> 01:21:59.159
research these patents, all these sorts of things. I guess
1337
01:21:59.159 --> 01:21:59.920
that kind of finishes.
1338
01:22:00.319 --> 01:22:04.800
What about what's happening now with the mass drone sightings,
1339
01:22:05.640 --> 01:22:10.000
there's two things that are pretty disturbing, and they're along
1340
01:22:10.039 --> 01:22:14.840
the same lines. Really, if our military and government truly
1341
01:22:15.039 --> 01:22:19.720
has no idea what any of this is, that's disturbing enough.
1342
01:22:20.159 --> 01:22:23.039
But On the other hand, if they do and they're
1343
01:22:23.079 --> 01:22:26.640
not telling us for some reason, that is equally as
1344
01:22:26.720 --> 01:22:30.119
disturbing to me, And it's on par either way. I
1345
01:22:30.119 --> 01:22:34.479
could see either one being true, just because of what
1346
01:22:34.520 --> 01:22:37.399
I've learned about the nature of our ruling class, the
1347
01:22:37.479 --> 01:22:41.039
nature of our government and systems. What are your thoughts
1348
01:22:41.039 --> 01:22:44.199
about what is unfolding right now as we're speaking with
1349
01:22:44.239 --> 01:22:45.880
the sightings?
1350
01:22:46.520 --> 01:22:49.479
Oh man, Yeah, there's a lot of theories going around
1351
01:22:49.479 --> 01:22:53.079
out there, some of them less plausible in my opinion,
1352
01:22:53.279 --> 01:22:55.960
some of the more plausible. I don't think these are aliens.
1353
01:22:57.199 --> 01:23:01.159
When you look at the legitimate videos word the legit
1354
01:23:01.279 --> 01:23:03.439
videos of these craft in the sky, they clearly have
1355
01:23:03.560 --> 01:23:07.560
flashing lights, external aviation lights and things like that. So no,
1356
01:23:07.720 --> 01:23:12.439
I don't think these are galactic federation ships or reptile
1357
01:23:12.439 --> 01:23:16.199
aliens or whatever we're gonna call them. It also goes
1358
01:23:16.279 --> 01:23:19.039
to note that while I do believe some of the
1359
01:23:19.079 --> 01:23:23.600
initial reports, initial videos that surfaced at first weeks ago,
1360
01:23:24.199 --> 01:23:28.600
I think those were legitimate sightings of unknown craft. But
1361
01:23:29.600 --> 01:23:32.079
in the weeks that have followed, especially over the last
1362
01:23:32.079 --> 01:23:36.119
three or four days, there are so many people kind
1363
01:23:36.159 --> 01:23:40.119
of in a knee jerk reaction almost paranoid state, and
1364
01:23:40.199 --> 01:23:47.119
they are misconstruing planes for UFOs, helicopters for UFOs. There's
1365
01:23:47.279 --> 01:23:51.720
old videos getting resurfaced as if they're new. There's CGIAI
1366
01:23:51.840 --> 01:23:54.880
videos going viral on the internet. So there's a lot
1367
01:23:54.920 --> 01:23:59.079
of fake or misconstrued sightings just adding to the hysteria.
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01:23:59.119 --> 01:24:02.920
There's a lot of area around this, so it's adding
1369
01:24:02.960 --> 01:24:06.439
to the confusion. And also I think it's quite possible
1370
01:24:06.960 --> 01:24:11.439
that it might not just be one group, but you
1371
01:24:11.439 --> 01:24:15.560
could have had some group test or conduct operations with
1372
01:24:15.640 --> 01:24:18.239
these drones or craft in the sky at first, and
1373
01:24:18.279 --> 01:24:22.920
then you have another group see that happen and see
1374
01:24:22.920 --> 01:24:26.359
the confusion start to ensue, and then they used that
1375
01:24:26.399 --> 01:24:29.000
mass confusion to their own advantage and then start testing
1376
01:24:29.039 --> 01:24:31.880
their own platforms. And you have another group, maybe somewhere else,
1377
01:24:31.920 --> 01:24:34.199
starting to test test their own because the confusion kind
1378
01:24:34.199 --> 01:24:37.239
of gives them a cover to do that. So you
1379
01:24:37.319 --> 01:24:41.319
could have multiple groups, multiple things in the sky, with
1380
01:24:41.439 --> 01:24:44.840
different agendas from different you know, different programs. All right,
1381
01:24:47.760 --> 01:24:51.199
I highly doubt the Pentagon doesn't know what's going on.
1382
01:24:51.640 --> 01:24:55.399
They've come out with their you know CYA statements, Oh
1383
01:24:55.479 --> 01:24:58.159
we don't know what it is. It's not a foreign entity,
1384
01:24:58.199 --> 01:25:01.960
but we don't know what it is, Okay. I do
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01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:04.199
find it curious that they are not pinning it on
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a foreign entity. So you know, if it was the
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01:25:07.079 --> 01:25:11.800
deep State or some shadowy intelligence group, what they would
1388
01:25:11.800 --> 01:25:14.000
probably try to do is pin it on a foreign adversary,
1389
01:25:14.039 --> 01:25:17.880
because we know the New World Order wants to foment war.
1390
01:25:18.159 --> 01:25:20.039
They love their war, they love dropping bombs and making
1391
01:25:20.039 --> 01:25:22.119
money from it. Find it curious that they're not trying
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01:25:22.119 --> 01:25:26.279
to pin it on a foreign entity. But Pentagon also says,
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01:25:26.319 --> 01:25:30.039
nothing to see here, it's not ours. Hmm. You know.
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01:25:30.119 --> 01:25:34.359
One of those, one of those maybe plausible theories I've
1395
01:25:34.359 --> 01:25:39.399
seen going around is that these could be covert programs
1396
01:25:39.520 --> 01:25:46.119
that are sniffing ports for dirty bombs and EMPs, something
1397
01:25:46.159 --> 01:25:51.800
that maybe a foreign foreign government is trying to sneak
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01:25:51.800 --> 01:25:54.279
into this country, or a terrorist or some deep state
1399
01:25:54.319 --> 01:25:59.319
splinter cell group. So these could be Pentagon craft not
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01:25:59.680 --> 01:26:05.760
doing anything evil, but sniffing for potential terroristic threats, and
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01:26:06.159 --> 01:26:08.359
it kind of makes sense. The Pentagon wouldn't want to
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01:26:08.399 --> 01:26:12.119
admit that. But there's always there's counter arguments to each
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01:26:12.159 --> 01:26:16.319
of these hypotheses. So counter arguments to that Okay, well,
1404
01:26:16.960 --> 01:26:19.159
why are these drones only being seen over New Jersey?
1405
01:26:19.199 --> 01:26:21.680
Then why aren't we seeing them over other ports? But
1406
01:26:21.760 --> 01:26:23.800
we just did get some reports last night that there's
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01:26:23.880 --> 01:26:27.720
drones being seen over La. Okay, maybe they're expanding their operations,
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01:26:27.800 --> 01:26:30.920
or maybe what's going on in New Jersey is the misdirection,
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01:26:31.560 --> 01:26:35.000
and the more important operations are happening over other ports
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01:26:35.520 --> 01:26:38.359
or over the border other areas, and what's happening in
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01:26:38.359 --> 01:26:41.760
New Jersey is just sort of a misdirection. Get everybody
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01:26:41.840 --> 01:26:47.600
focused there while things are happening elsewhere. So I don't know.
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01:26:47.680 --> 01:26:49.880
I'm just kind of going on the threads of that
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01:26:50.000 --> 01:26:53.000
theory seeing if it makes sense or not, or at
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01:26:53.039 --> 01:26:55.640
the end of the day, there could be no real
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01:26:56.239 --> 01:27:02.199
tactical operations going on. The whole thing could be a
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01:27:02.840 --> 01:27:10.880
psyop for whether to push surveillance legislation. Oh, look at
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01:27:10.880 --> 01:27:12.880
all these drones that we don't know about. We need
1419
01:27:12.920 --> 01:27:16.600
more surveillance. Maybe the establishment is going to try to
1420
01:27:16.640 --> 01:27:22.319
capitalize on the fear. I don't think it's the whole
1421
01:27:22.319 --> 01:27:25.680
Blue Beam thing. Me personally, I'm not much of a
1422
01:27:25.720 --> 01:27:30.359
project Bluebeam guy. I think that whole narrative is dubious
1423
01:27:30.399 --> 01:27:32.479
in the first place, I don't think we have any
1424
01:27:32.520 --> 01:27:35.760
evidence to show Project Blue Beam was actually a NASA
1425
01:27:35.920 --> 01:27:39.039
military project they ever wanted to do. I kind of
1426
01:27:39.079 --> 01:27:41.560
think the whole Blue Beam narrative that's been online for
1427
01:27:41.600 --> 01:27:45.119
like twenty thirty years is a lot more sort of
1428
01:27:45.159 --> 01:27:50.560
clickbait fear porn than anything. Plus, when you look into
1429
01:27:50.600 --> 01:27:55.359
like the original claims of what Project Bluebeam actually is,
1430
01:27:57.720 --> 01:28:02.640
it starts with the whole Project Bluebeam narrative starts with
1431
01:28:02.800 --> 01:28:08.479
manufactured earthquakes and archaeological discoveries from those manufactured earthquakes, which
1432
01:28:08.520 --> 01:28:12.880
we haven't had anyhow. And Yeah, the whole Blue Beam
1433
01:28:12.880 --> 01:28:14.760
thing doesn't make sense to me when I dig into it,
1434
01:28:14.800 --> 01:28:17.439
and I don't think this is Project Bluebeam or fake
1435
01:28:17.479 --> 01:28:20.479
alien invasion. I think that's just convenient clickbait for Internet
1436
01:28:20.520 --> 01:28:23.720
influencers and convenient fear porn. But at the end of
1437
01:28:23.720 --> 01:28:26.520
the day, I think the most plausible scenarios to me
1438
01:28:26.640 --> 01:28:30.600
at this point it could change, of course, are covert
1439
01:28:30.680 --> 01:28:35.640
operations sniffing for dirty bombs and EMPs or the whole
1440
01:28:35.680 --> 01:28:39.880
things a freaking' syop to push some sort of drone
1441
01:28:39.960 --> 01:28:45.960
legislation or surveillance legislation. But I'm not at this point,
1442
01:28:46.000 --> 01:28:53.359
I'm not concerned about it blowing up into anything devastating,
1443
01:28:53.479 --> 01:28:56.920
if you will, I guess I'm just kind of sitting
1444
01:28:57.079 --> 01:29:00.319
and seeing how the reactions take place. Maybe, you know.
1445
01:29:00.600 --> 01:29:03.920
And again, anytime the establishment conducts an operation, there's always
1446
01:29:03.960 --> 01:29:07.760
multiple agendas at play. COVID is a great example. The
1447
01:29:07.840 --> 01:29:11.840
multiple agendas were, you know, destroy the lower middle class,
1448
01:29:12.000 --> 01:29:15.640
siphon money to the upper class, lock everybody down, push
1449
01:29:15.680 --> 01:29:20.000
mandatory vaccines, sensor on the internet. So anytime the establishment
1450
01:29:20.560 --> 01:29:25.439
does something, there's usually multiple agendas at play, And in
1451
01:29:25.479 --> 01:29:28.600
this case, maybe there's sort of multiple agendas at play.
1452
01:29:28.680 --> 01:29:35.199
By whatever these drones or skycraft are testing the waters,
1453
01:29:35.319 --> 01:29:39.800
just gauging public reaction, that could be one of the agendas,
1454
01:29:39.800 --> 01:29:42.600
if not, the main agenda is just to see test
1455
01:29:42.760 --> 01:29:49.159
the waters of public reactions so they can then work
1456
01:29:49.239 --> 01:29:53.399
their future operations in a more strategic manner, right, something
1457
01:29:53.439 --> 01:29:57.279
like that. Maybe part of it could be sniffing for
1458
01:29:57.359 --> 01:30:00.359
dirty bombs. I've also seen it suggested in maybe a
1459
01:30:00.439 --> 01:30:03.720
few of these unidentified drones could fit into this category.
1460
01:30:03.760 --> 01:30:10.680
But there's some corporations like one called Terot Dynamics p
1461
01:30:10.960 --> 01:30:16.359
t r O Tterot Dynamics. There's another company, Pivotal Arrow,
1462
01:30:16.960 --> 01:30:19.600
and these two companies have recently signed contracts with the
1463
01:30:19.600 --> 01:30:24.880
military to test vitall craft vertical takeoff and landing craft
1464
01:30:25.399 --> 01:30:29.279
that are like manned quad copters that you know. So
1465
01:30:29.319 --> 01:30:32.600
maybe some of these drone sightings could be just testing
1466
01:30:32.680 --> 01:30:40.439
of basically manned drones manned quad copters. But again, these
1467
01:30:40.479 --> 01:30:42.279
sightings could be a few different things. So maybe some
1468
01:30:42.319 --> 01:30:44.840
of them are testing of vertical takeoff and landing craft.
1469
01:30:45.039 --> 01:30:48.439
Maybe some of them are actually foreign spy drones just
1470
01:30:48.520 --> 01:30:51.479
taking advantage of the mass confusion. Oh, perfect timing for
1471
01:30:51.560 --> 01:30:54.279
us to send our craft up and get some intel
1472
01:30:54.359 --> 01:30:56.520
or something like that. And then some of these could
1473
01:30:56.520 --> 01:31:01.039
be sniffing operations. I don't know. The whole thing is
1474
01:31:01.079 --> 01:31:03.399
just a mess right now, and it's extra difficult because
1475
01:31:03.399 --> 01:31:07.319
of course government or law enforcement doesn't want to say anything.
1476
01:31:07.640 --> 01:31:11.199
We know, these agencies sometimes have a difficult time sharing
1477
01:31:11.279 --> 01:31:15.600
information with each other, and then low level law enforcement
1478
01:31:15.640 --> 01:31:18.479
and low level politicians they're not going to be read
1479
01:31:18.479 --> 01:31:21.239
in onto any secret programs, so they're just as confused
1480
01:31:21.279 --> 01:31:23.880
as we are, and they're trying to investigate it. They're
1481
01:31:23.880 --> 01:31:24.880
not getting answers.
1482
01:31:25.560 --> 01:31:29.760
I agree, I think that it's probably not aliens or
1483
01:31:29.800 --> 01:31:32.720
something non human, but I do find it interesting that
1484
01:31:32.800 --> 01:31:38.920
it coincides the recent congressional hearings and the re emergence
1485
01:31:38.920 --> 01:31:42.279
of interest in UFOs. You mentioned the Grush character who
1486
01:31:42.359 --> 01:31:47.760
claims that there are bodies in possession. If there's an
1487
01:31:47.760 --> 01:31:52.960
operation to attempt to get the masses to believe in aliens,
1488
01:31:53.000 --> 01:31:57.319
to believe in a threat from outside, this would be
1489
01:31:58.399 --> 01:32:01.039
probably the way they do it. And if this is
1490
01:32:01.119 --> 01:32:05.520
an ongoing operation that has been in effect for a
1491
01:32:05.640 --> 01:32:09.079
very long time, I wonder what links have they already
1492
01:32:09.119 --> 01:32:14.439
gone to. I've had guests on researchers that have posed
1493
01:32:14.439 --> 01:32:18.439
the possibility that maybe our military has been involved with
1494
01:32:19.239 --> 01:32:23.199
the UFO phenomena, all the way up to abducting people
1495
01:32:23.479 --> 01:32:28.359
mind control experiments, using drugs to get the victim to
1496
01:32:28.439 --> 01:32:32.039
believe that they were abducted by aliens, when in reality
1497
01:32:32.079 --> 01:32:36.039
it was a military operation. We'll fast forward to our
1498
01:32:36.199 --> 01:32:40.520
secret space super soldiers that we hear about today. I
1499
01:32:40.560 --> 01:32:44.840
agree with you. I think most of them are attention seeking,
1500
01:32:45.479 --> 01:32:51.239
crazed weirdos, but some of them truly are traumatized by
1501
01:32:51.279 --> 01:32:55.680
their experiences. Some of them really believe their experiences, and
1502
01:32:55.720 --> 01:32:59.239
there are some that postulate that these may be victims
1503
01:32:59.279 --> 01:33:05.840
of some kind of program that is either implanting false memories,
1504
01:33:05.960 --> 01:33:10.600
drugging people, forcing some sort of out of body experience
1505
01:33:10.640 --> 01:33:13.239
but in a controlled state to make them believe that
1506
01:33:13.439 --> 01:33:17.600
they are on another planet fighting aliens. But it's all
1507
01:33:17.760 --> 01:33:23.640
too really perpetuates a UFO narrative and cause confusion within
1508
01:33:23.720 --> 01:33:26.520
the community. Now I don't know about any of this.
1509
01:33:26.520 --> 01:33:28.960
This is just information that's come through the show that
1510
01:33:29.159 --> 01:33:32.039
I find pretty interesting, but I'd love to get your
1511
01:33:32.039 --> 01:33:32.640
thoughts on it.
1512
01:33:35.600 --> 01:33:39.319
Yeah, no doubt. You know. One curious aspect about these
1513
01:33:39.399 --> 01:33:44.840
drones is that many of the videos we're seeing online
1514
01:33:44.840 --> 01:33:49.000
that look legitimate, they don't seem to be using any
1515
01:33:49.159 --> 01:33:54.399
exotic propulsion systems. We're seeing the standard sort of archaic
1516
01:33:55.279 --> 01:34:00.119
aeroplane propulsion in that they're either using wings or propellers
1517
01:34:00.199 --> 01:34:03.039
Bernoulli's principle. And then again, a lot of these have
1518
01:34:03.840 --> 01:34:10.439
like FAA regulation external aircraft lights. So while I do
1519
01:34:10.520 --> 01:34:14.840
think that defense contractors in the military dust complex have
1520
01:34:15.760 --> 01:34:21.680
electrogravitic levitating saucers at their disposal, how many and how
1521
01:34:22.319 --> 01:34:25.319
much they've developed those is in question, But I do
1522
01:34:25.359 --> 01:34:29.319
think they've got at least a couple of their own
1523
01:34:29.439 --> 01:34:33.279
sort of man made UFOs. But these drones in the
1524
01:34:33.279 --> 01:34:38.319
skies don't seem to be that kind like secret craft maybe,
1525
01:34:38.319 --> 01:34:40.319
but craft that still use wings and propellers. So that's
1526
01:34:40.319 --> 01:34:43.640
what's interesting to me. Although I will say there was
1527
01:34:43.720 --> 01:34:47.479
a sighting on the West Coast earlier this week, and
1528
01:34:47.560 --> 01:34:52.439
there's some viral audio going around of recordings from air
1529
01:34:52.560 --> 01:34:58.840
traffic control. This was in organ between Eugene Organ in
1530
01:34:58.880 --> 01:35:03.920
the coast. There were four unidentified things in the sky
1531
01:35:04.079 --> 01:35:06.520
being seen going back and forth between the ocean and
1532
01:35:06.560 --> 01:35:10.159
Eugene Organ and it was seen by a couple different aircraft.
1533
01:35:10.399 --> 01:35:14.960
And there's recordings on the Internet of the audio radio
1534
01:35:14.960 --> 01:35:17.960
transmissions between air traffic control and some of these pilots.
1535
01:35:18.199 --> 01:35:22.359
That one's interesting, and frankly, with how these pilots are
1536
01:35:22.359 --> 01:35:25.319
describing the craft moving in quartscrew motions and going very
1537
01:35:25.359 --> 01:35:30.000
fast between like Eugene Corvallis and the ocean. That one
1538
01:35:30.079 --> 01:35:34.239
might I don't think that one's propeller, granted it could
1539
01:35:34.279 --> 01:35:36.920
still be a man made craft, might not be a
1540
01:35:36.960 --> 01:35:39.920
man made craft, but that one they could be using
1541
01:35:40.119 --> 01:35:46.079
that could be like an exotic propulsion electro gravitic platform,
1542
01:35:46.199 --> 01:35:48.920
but at least what we're seeing in New Jersey seems
1543
01:35:48.960 --> 01:35:54.720
to be old school propellers wings Bernelli's principle in terms
1544
01:35:54.880 --> 01:36:02.359
of all of the narratives we're getting on the Internet
1545
01:36:02.399 --> 01:36:05.720
regarding the UFO phenomena, whether like you said, you know,
1546
01:36:06.279 --> 01:36:10.920
abductions from aliens or are they abductions from humans that
1547
01:36:10.960 --> 01:36:13.560
are posing as aliens just to feed the stories out
1548
01:36:13.560 --> 01:36:17.640
there and blah blah blah. You know, this subject dealing
1549
01:36:17.680 --> 01:36:22.800
with suppressed technologies, whether it's zero point energy technology, electrogrivitic
1550
01:36:22.840 --> 01:36:29.880
propulsion are placed in the cosmos, and intelligent life out there,
1551
01:36:30.000 --> 01:36:32.760
And then what's the agenda of the intelligent life out
1552
01:36:32.760 --> 01:36:39.079
in the cosmos? Negative, positive, manevolent, benevolent. I think there's
1553
01:36:39.119 --> 01:36:43.399
different groups with different agendas. So when I hear people
1554
01:36:44.039 --> 01:36:47.079
on both sides of the spectrum, you've got some out
1555
01:36:47.079 --> 01:36:51.399
there like Greer saying, oh, all the alien life in
1556
01:36:51.439 --> 01:36:55.479
the cosmos is good and positive evil is only on Earth.
1557
01:36:56.680 --> 01:36:59.479
I question that. But I also question the people that
1558
01:36:59.560 --> 01:37:02.960
say all aliens are demons, everything out there in the
1559
01:37:02.960 --> 01:37:09.720
cosmos is demonic. Earth is the only place with positive, happy, good,
1560
01:37:09.880 --> 01:37:14.119
benevolent people on it seems real weird to me as well,
1561
01:37:14.560 --> 01:37:18.319
And it's typically the fundamentalist religious attitude that has that.
1562
01:37:18.960 --> 01:37:21.680
And I just think to myself, man, God must be
1563
01:37:21.720 --> 01:37:23.920
a dick if he made all the life in the
1564
01:37:24.039 --> 01:37:26.880
whole universe demonic, and we're the only ones here that aren't.
1565
01:37:28.439 --> 01:37:31.840
So I don't resonate with either of those. I think
1566
01:37:31.880 --> 01:37:37.800
there are civilizations out there in the cosmos, some probably
1567
01:37:37.880 --> 01:37:40.640
much more advanced than us, with a variety of different agendas.
1568
01:37:41.079 --> 01:37:42.920
Some probably don't give a shit about what's going on
1569
01:37:43.039 --> 01:37:45.840
this planet. Some probably want this to be a slave planet.
1570
01:37:46.079 --> 01:37:49.000
Some probably want this to You want us to get
1571
01:37:49.000 --> 01:37:54.920
our crap together and become a you know, much more happy,
1572
01:37:55.079 --> 01:37:59.800
awaken away species that can actually go out into space
1573
01:38:00.039 --> 01:38:06.720
and work with different civilizations. So yeah, But in terms
1574
01:38:06.800 --> 01:38:10.199
of this issue, I mean with how sensitive it is suppressed.
1575
01:38:10.239 --> 01:38:15.720
Technologies that could effectively liberate us from these slave systems,
1576
01:38:16.399 --> 01:38:20.720
and also just the understanding of our place in the
1577
01:38:20.720 --> 01:38:28.479
cosmos would destroy so many control systems. Like fundamentalist, I
1578
01:38:28.479 --> 01:38:31.000
want to be specific here because I'm not against religion
1579
01:38:31.039 --> 01:38:33.520
by any means. I think they are helpful tools for
1580
01:38:33.600 --> 01:38:39.640
many people. But I do also think that the upper
1581
01:38:39.640 --> 01:38:46.520
echelon of these religions has been infiltrated, has corrupted these
1582
01:38:46.560 --> 01:38:49.159
religious people at the upper echelons of some of these
1583
01:38:49.199 --> 01:38:52.479
religions that have corrupted them, and then use them for control.
1584
01:38:52.600 --> 01:38:58.359
So I say, establishment or the organized mainstream religions, if
1585
01:38:58.399 --> 01:39:01.600
we understood our plac here in the cosmos, these organized
1586
01:39:01.600 --> 01:39:07.640
religions would crumble, they'd have much less control. Also, mainstream
1587
01:39:07.720 --> 01:39:11.920
science would have you know, would be exposed of how
1588
01:39:11.960 --> 01:39:17.159
propagandized it is, and the whole you know, global full
1589
01:39:17.319 --> 01:39:20.920
spectrum dominance control system would crumble. So the whole UFO
1590
01:39:21.039 --> 01:39:24.800
subject and all the sub threads, so many different sub
1591
01:39:24.840 --> 01:39:31.920
threads that it contains. It's probably the most sensitive subject
1592
01:39:32.000 --> 01:39:34.439
to the powers that be, and the one subject that
1593
01:39:34.439 --> 01:39:40.119
they have invested the most in keeping hidden classified in secret,
1594
01:39:40.600 --> 01:39:46.159
going back decades, centuries even probably, So it would reason
1595
01:39:46.199 --> 01:39:49.880
to suggest, and we mentioned earlier, so many people are
1596
01:39:49.920 --> 01:39:53.000
moving away from the mainstream media that they're going to
1597
01:39:53.039 --> 01:39:55.359
alternative and social media for their news now. So it
1598
01:39:55.479 --> 01:39:58.279
makes sense that the powers that be, the people that
1599
01:39:58.319 --> 01:40:02.199
watch the mainstream media, they that still believe it, they're
1600
01:40:02.239 --> 01:40:04.800
caught up by it, hook line and sinker. The powers
1601
01:40:04.800 --> 01:40:07.399
that be don't need to invest that much into the
1602
01:40:07.399 --> 01:40:11.760
mainstream media anymore. They're going to go after the threats.
1603
01:40:12.520 --> 01:40:14.880
The threats are the people looking for truth on social
1604
01:40:14.920 --> 01:40:18.600
media and alternative media. So it's completely reasonable to assume
1605
01:40:18.960 --> 01:40:21.239
that the powers that be, the deep State, they would
1606
01:40:21.239 --> 01:40:28.319
be sending loads of disinformation assets, loads of syops into
1607
01:40:28.640 --> 01:40:34.159
alternative and social media to muddy the waters, to confuse people,
1608
01:40:34.800 --> 01:40:38.319
to misdirect them, waste their time, lead them astray. And
1609
01:40:38.359 --> 01:40:41.640
this has probably been going on even before social media,
1610
01:40:42.039 --> 01:40:46.159
back in the radio broadcast days, back in the mid
1611
01:40:46.199 --> 01:40:51.680
to late twentieth century, they were probably sending disinfo assets
1612
01:40:51.720 --> 01:40:56.199
into meetup groups and local conspiracy UFO groups around the country,
1613
01:40:56.840 --> 01:41:02.800
sending their assets into get intelligence and to you know,
1614
01:41:02.880 --> 01:41:05.800
keep tabs on these people. So yeah, no, that's why
1615
01:41:05.880 --> 01:41:11.199
I am very cautious with the whole UFO community, because
1616
01:41:11.960 --> 01:41:14.560
there's probably a heck of a lot of misinformation that
1617
01:41:14.560 --> 01:41:17.880
gets repeated by people who just don't realize it's misinformation.
1618
01:41:18.640 --> 01:41:24.000
Like the you know, Galactic Federation Ashtark command narratives that
1619
01:41:24.039 --> 01:41:27.760
started thirty years ago just get repeated, repeated, repeated, same
1620
01:41:27.800 --> 01:41:30.279
thing with a lot of these Project Bluebeam narratives that
1621
01:41:30.279 --> 01:41:33.279
started thirty years ago that just get repeated, repeated, repeated,
1622
01:41:33.600 --> 01:41:37.439
And now we've got a lot of new faces coming
1623
01:41:37.439 --> 01:41:42.119
into the picture, whether it's mainstream UFO legacy gatekeepers or
1624
01:41:42.199 --> 01:41:45.600
new faces on social media that claim they're in contact
1625
01:41:45.600 --> 01:41:49.640
with aliens, and there's some you know, emissary to humanity,
1626
01:41:50.600 --> 01:41:52.840
or they claim to be super soldiers in Secret Space
1627
01:41:52.880 --> 01:41:56.279
program whistle bolowers. So there's just so much. The waters
1628
01:41:56.279 --> 01:41:58.640
are so muddy, But we do need to be careful
1629
01:41:58.800 --> 01:42:01.760
because we can't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
1630
01:42:01.920 --> 01:42:04.800
Just because we have one dude claiming he was a
1631
01:42:04.840 --> 01:42:08.039
secret Space super sold or whistleblower just because he's fake,
1632
01:42:08.239 --> 01:42:12.039
doesn't mean that everyone is fake, right. Or just because
1633
01:42:12.039 --> 01:42:16.119
we have one dude being paraded around CNN who's clearly
1634
01:42:16.119 --> 01:42:21.279
a government disinfo asset, just because he's saying some fake
1635
01:42:21.359 --> 01:42:24.159
stuff about UFOs doesn't mean the whole subject's fake, right.
1636
01:42:24.359 --> 01:42:29.000
So it's a very nuanced conversation, very nuanced subject that
1637
01:42:29.039 --> 01:42:32.880
you have to be very very careful in digging into.
1638
01:42:32.760 --> 01:42:36.079
Where are you at with the true nature of this phenomena,
1639
01:42:36.199 --> 01:42:39.800
Although I know that it could probably never be really understood,
1640
01:42:39.880 --> 01:42:43.960
especially with where we're at right now, but my understanding
1641
01:42:44.039 --> 01:42:48.279
has shifted. It continues to change with new understandings and information.
1642
01:42:48.399 --> 01:42:51.720
But I was very much at one point a very
1643
01:42:51.840 --> 01:42:56.119
nuts and bolts these are physical beings coming and interacting
1644
01:42:56.159 --> 01:42:59.640
with us, And now I'm not so sure. I am
1645
01:42:59.720 --> 01:43:04.920
leaning towards more of a metaphysical consciousness phenomena because I've
1646
01:43:04.960 --> 01:43:10.760
had experiences myself where it seems as some intelligence took
1647
01:43:10.800 --> 01:43:14.520
over my complete perception and change what I was seeing
1648
01:43:14.560 --> 01:43:17.720
and change what I was able to perceive for an
1649
01:43:17.760 --> 01:43:20.920
amount of time. Now, what that tells me is if
1650
01:43:20.960 --> 01:43:24.640
there's any intelligence that can do that, they can change
1651
01:43:24.640 --> 01:43:27.279
a person's perception in a way to make them believe
1652
01:43:27.600 --> 01:43:30.600
maybe they're on a craft, maybe they are in a
1653
01:43:30.640 --> 01:43:34.640
situation dealing with beings, but in reality, they could be
1654
01:43:34.800 --> 01:43:40.039
just in their bed and having this experience purely through
1655
01:43:40.079 --> 01:43:43.520
their consciousness. And that doesn't negate the experience, that doesn't
1656
01:43:43.520 --> 01:43:48.159
make it not real, but it does change the phenomena
1657
01:43:48.319 --> 01:43:52.880
if indeed it may be some sort of metaphysical intelligence.
1658
01:43:53.239 --> 01:43:56.600
Based on my own experiences and many that I have
1659
01:43:56.800 --> 01:44:02.319
interviewed that have this understanding, there's a emerging understanding or
1660
01:44:02.359 --> 01:44:06.119
belief that this may be more of a consciousness phenomena
1661
01:44:06.239 --> 01:44:09.199
than a physical one.
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01:44:09.920 --> 01:44:15.720
So just purely my opinion, I can be quite confident
1663
01:44:15.760 --> 01:44:17.920
in my opinions, but I can also change them as well.
1664
01:44:18.960 --> 01:44:22.840
I think ninety percent of the legitimate UFOs we see
1665
01:44:22.840 --> 01:44:25.800
in the skies are man made craft, but I do
1666
01:44:25.880 --> 01:44:29.000
think there's a select few that are not. In terms
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01:44:29.039 --> 01:44:35.600
of the makeup of life from outside our planet, what
1668
01:44:35.720 --> 01:44:40.039
is extrastrial life like. There's this argument that goes back
1669
01:44:40.079 --> 01:44:42.960
and forth. Well, they're physical, No, they're not physical. They're
1670
01:44:43.000 --> 01:44:48.159
all interdimensional. No they're not. Why not both? Again another
1671
01:44:48.279 --> 01:44:52.399
sort of nuanced conversation, But why not both? If you
1672
01:44:52.479 --> 01:44:56.680
look at us as humans, we are both. We've got
1673
01:44:56.720 --> 01:44:59.319
these physical meats to bodies, but we all also have
1674
01:44:59.520 --> 01:45:02.960
a out of physical or interdimensional. I don't really like
1675
01:45:03.000 --> 01:45:06.840
that term, but I use it for buzzword's sake. We
1676
01:45:07.359 --> 01:45:10.880
are both physical and non physical. We are in interdimensional beings.
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01:45:10.880 --> 01:45:13.720
We have meat suit and then we have this consciousness
1678
01:45:13.800 --> 01:45:16.239
that you know, we go to sleep, we dream at night.
1679
01:45:16.279 --> 01:45:18.800
We have these astra pet projections in the dream state
1680
01:45:19.399 --> 01:45:22.560
when we're waking and conscious we you know, if you
1681
01:45:22.560 --> 01:45:25.720
want to experiment with some mushrooms or DMT, then you
1682
01:45:25.760 --> 01:45:29.880
really go into the astral state. We're both we are interdimensional,
1683
01:45:30.000 --> 01:45:34.279
so why wouldn't life out there in the cosmos. I'm
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01:45:34.279 --> 01:45:38.720
just kind of like a logically deductive person where I
1685
01:45:38.760 --> 01:45:41.439
am kind of nuts and bolts and left brain, but
1686
01:45:41.520 --> 01:45:44.680
at the same time I'm also right brain, and I
1687
01:45:44.800 --> 01:45:49.600
try to also see things from a sort of higher conscious,
1688
01:45:49.960 --> 01:45:54.680
energetic perspective, if you will, so to me, life out
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01:45:54.720 --> 01:46:00.119
there in the cosmos, it probably takes both and or
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01:46:00.159 --> 01:46:01.840
one of the other forms. So if you have a
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01:46:02.720 --> 01:46:06.119
I mean, all life, even plant life has an energetic
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01:46:06.159 --> 01:46:09.399
component along with its physical nature. Right, it's just the
1693
01:46:09.520 --> 01:46:14.479
energetic the conscious component. It all depends on. I guess
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01:46:14.479 --> 01:46:18.439
how evolve that being is. So plant life and animal
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01:46:18.479 --> 01:46:21.439
life they're gonna be. They don't have the self awareness
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01:46:21.439 --> 01:46:25.159
component that we do. Our consciousness is a little more evolved,
1697
01:46:25.359 --> 01:46:27.880
but our consciousness is not that evolved because we still
1698
01:46:27.920 --> 01:46:31.399
have a very difficult time working in that astral plane
1699
01:46:32.119 --> 01:46:36.199
making that conscious understanding it, like, we know very little
1700
01:46:36.199 --> 01:46:41.079
about our own consciousness. I would imagine advanced beings out
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01:46:41.119 --> 01:46:44.000
there in the cosmos are sort of that next level
1702
01:46:44.119 --> 01:46:47.680
in conscious evolution. They're more understanding of how to work
1703
01:46:47.760 --> 01:46:51.239
in that metaphysical plane with their consciousness in projecting it
1704
01:46:51.319 --> 01:46:53.680
and all of that. So I still think there are
1705
01:46:53.760 --> 01:47:00.640
physical extraterrestrials out there, but there's probably also nonfithysical ones
1706
01:47:00.680 --> 01:47:03.840
as well. And what does that non physical even mean?
1707
01:47:04.239 --> 01:47:07.079
Like we can only see a fraction of a percent
1708
01:47:07.119 --> 01:47:10.880
of the electromagnetic spectrum. There's so much that we just
1709
01:47:10.920 --> 01:47:15.079
can't see as humans. So much we can perceive from
1710
01:47:15.159 --> 01:47:20.239
this space time, time space, you know, ether around us.
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01:47:20.359 --> 01:47:24.279
So when I think of extrastrial intelligence, I think it's
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01:47:24.479 --> 01:47:29.960
both physical and non physical, and there's probably non physical
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01:47:30.119 --> 01:47:36.920
entities constantly influencing us for both good and bad. Call
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01:47:36.960 --> 01:47:39.239
them angels or demons if you want to, if that's
1715
01:47:39.319 --> 01:47:44.319
you know, the semantics you prefer. But yeah, no doubt.
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01:47:44.359 --> 01:47:48.760
I do think that non physical extrastural influence exists. I
1717
01:47:48.760 --> 01:47:50.880
think there's also some physical ones out there as well
1718
01:47:50.920 --> 01:47:55.039
that we could probably shake hands with. But I also think,
1719
01:47:55.600 --> 01:48:00.520
and this this concept was exemplified in Our Trek with
1720
01:48:00.560 --> 01:48:05.079
their Prime Directive Stargate SG one in I love that
1721
01:48:05.119 --> 01:48:07.319
TV show, but in some of those shows as well,
1722
01:48:07.399 --> 01:48:11.920
in that there's this karma, there's this free will component
1723
01:48:12.159 --> 01:48:16.359
that these extrastural civilizations take very seriously. So they just
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01:48:16.399 --> 01:48:18.359
can't come down and land on the White House lawn
1725
01:48:18.439 --> 01:48:22.439
and show themselves. Nor can they come down and outright
1726
01:48:22.600 --> 01:48:25.439
enslave us and put us in chains, because they would
1727
01:48:25.439 --> 01:48:28.600
be you know, they would get karmic ties with this civilization,
1728
01:48:28.680 --> 01:48:32.000
and that's something to be avoided. So I think the
1729
01:48:32.760 --> 01:48:36.199
malevolent or demonic ets, physical or non physical or whatever,
1730
01:48:36.720 --> 01:48:38.479
they have to enslave us in a way where we
1731
01:48:38.520 --> 01:48:41.199
don't realize we're enslaved, and they've probably been doing that
1732
01:48:41.199 --> 01:48:44.479
for thousands of years. Eloheem fallen angels, if you will,
1733
01:48:45.479 --> 01:48:51.079
then you have the benevolent angelic aliens, entities, what have you,
1734
01:48:51.840 --> 01:48:54.399
and they're trying to help us, but still from behind
1735
01:48:54.399 --> 01:48:59.720
the scenes, you know, in a way that's like apparent
1736
01:49:00.119 --> 01:49:04.239
most like you can't do it for the kid his
1737
01:49:04.319 --> 01:49:05.840
whole life. They have to learn how to tie their
1738
01:49:05.880 --> 01:49:08.760
shoes on their own and everything. So as as a
1739
01:49:08.760 --> 01:49:12.239
civilizational planet Earth, we have to learn how to tie
1740
01:49:12.239 --> 01:49:17.760
our own shoes and evolve on our own. So I
1741
01:49:17.800 --> 01:49:20.920
do think there's been influence on this planet for thousands
1742
01:49:20.960 --> 01:49:29.039
of years from non celestial groups, both of all agendas
1743
01:49:30.239 --> 01:49:32.960
of all different agendas that come in both physical and
1744
01:49:33.000 --> 01:49:35.640
non physical forms. Just I guess depends on the.
1745
01:49:35.960 --> 01:49:38.119
I'd like to think that's what's happening now. We're being
1746
01:49:38.439 --> 01:49:41.560
forced to learn how to tie our own shoes right now,
1747
01:49:41.640 --> 01:49:45.600
just because of the dark polarities that we're being presented.
1748
01:49:45.960 --> 01:49:50.520
We can either keep perpetuating this shitty system that we're
1749
01:49:50.560 --> 01:49:53.760
in right now, or we can learn to be self
1750
01:49:53.800 --> 01:49:57.439
reliant and check out of all the bullshit that keeps
1751
01:49:57.520 --> 01:50:02.039
humanity enslaved and under this same thumb. So it's a
1752
01:50:02.199 --> 01:50:04.279
I think it's a very special time we're going through
1753
01:50:04.319 --> 01:50:07.720
right now. I think we're evolving in many different ways.
1754
01:50:08.439 --> 01:50:10.880
For the last few minutes we have. What would you
1755
01:50:10.920 --> 01:50:14.000
tell folks that are just starting to look into this stuff,
1756
01:50:14.279 --> 01:50:18.600
just becoming curious about the nature of our reality, but
1757
01:50:18.880 --> 01:50:22.520
are surrounded by all the nonsense that we talked about earlier,
1758
01:50:23.199 --> 01:50:27.560
How would you say that they should sift through this
1759
01:50:28.319 --> 01:50:29.399
information right now?
1760
01:50:31.039 --> 01:50:33.279
Yeah, I would say a very powerful thing to do
1761
01:50:33.520 --> 01:50:38.359
is learn a few things. Number one, just learn propaganda techniques,
1762
01:50:38.880 --> 01:50:42.800
especially propaganda techniques the mainstream media uses. A lot of
1763
01:50:42.800 --> 01:50:46.039
those are used in social media as well, and honestly,
1764
01:50:46.079 --> 01:50:49.800
a lot of these propataganda techniques were kind of founded
1765
01:50:49.840 --> 01:50:52.199
by like Joseph Goebbels in the Nazis and then they
1766
01:50:52.279 --> 01:50:54.840
just kind of came over here and started using them
1767
01:50:54.840 --> 01:50:59.520
in this country. But different propaganda techniques like echo chamber effect,
1768
01:51:00.199 --> 01:51:03.680
like you know, anonymous sourced crap. There's so much anonymously
1769
01:51:03.720 --> 01:51:06.199
sourced crap from the mainstream media and on social media.
1770
01:51:07.079 --> 01:51:10.000
And learning about logical fallacies as well, being able to
1771
01:51:10.119 --> 01:51:16.319
identify logical fallacies in arguments, and also studying neuro linguistic programming,
1772
01:51:16.960 --> 01:51:20.920
so just studying these things, being able to identify psyops
1773
01:51:21.760 --> 01:51:29.359
and identify word crafting and manipulation from careful, carefully crafted
1774
01:51:29.640 --> 01:51:34.279
wording spelling. That's very important, and that's just a very
1775
01:51:36.000 --> 01:51:38.039
very potent way of being able to hone your own
1776
01:51:38.039 --> 01:51:42.960
discernment and sift through information on the Internet. And then
1777
01:51:42.960 --> 01:51:46.399
sometimes it just takes time. It takes time and experience.
1778
01:51:47.079 --> 01:51:48.680
You know, I had to go through a lot of
1779
01:51:48.680 --> 01:51:51.000
my own experiences. There was a lot of crap that
1780
01:51:51.039 --> 01:51:54.119
I believe twelve years ago that I had to wake
1781
01:51:54.239 --> 01:51:57.720
up to and change my mind about and just understand
1782
01:51:57.760 --> 01:52:00.239
that taking the red pill is not a one and
1783
01:52:00.279 --> 01:52:03.159
done process. It's not like, oh, I don't watch the
1784
01:52:03.159 --> 01:52:06.640
mainstream media anymore, so I'm awake. No, it's a constant
1785
01:52:06.960 --> 01:52:10.119
every day. You have to put on your discernment cap,
1786
01:52:10.159 --> 01:52:12.399
you have to take that red pill. It's a lifelong
1787
01:52:12.479 --> 01:52:18.560
process of continuing the self education and honing your discernment.
1788
01:52:18.760 --> 01:52:23.159
And also, i'll finish this that with this is being
1789
01:52:23.279 --> 01:52:28.880
able to control your emotions because it's through sensationalism, it's
1790
01:52:28.920 --> 01:52:35.399
through emotional manipulation. Is the easiest way the mainstream media
1791
01:52:35.439 --> 01:52:39.000
and these influencers on social media will manipulate you. Is
1792
01:52:39.039 --> 01:52:42.600
because when we're in that emotional knee jerk reactive state,
1793
01:52:43.439 --> 01:52:46.000
or when we're listening to people and they're telling you
1794
01:52:46.079 --> 01:52:48.560
what to think and how to feel about something. I
1795
01:52:48.600 --> 01:52:52.079
hear this all the time, especially from internet influencers. You're
1796
01:52:52.119 --> 01:52:54.760
gonna be so upset by this, or this is going
1797
01:52:54.840 --> 01:52:57.479
to be exciting news, or this is what I'm about
1798
01:52:57.479 --> 01:52:58.680
to tell you is going to make you feel this
1799
01:52:58.800 --> 01:53:04.479
way when I big red flag to me, When personalities
1800
01:53:04.520 --> 01:53:06.359
do that, they're telling you how to think and feel
1801
01:53:06.359 --> 01:53:10.159
about something. So just notice these things, you know, notice
1802
01:53:10.199 --> 01:53:13.399
the neuro linguistic programming. Be very observant, be very careful,
1803
01:53:13.399 --> 01:53:16.680
with your emotions. Don't get so emotionally invested in random
1804
01:53:16.720 --> 01:53:19.039
ass people on the internet you've never met before, right,
1805
01:53:19.600 --> 01:53:25.199
and be able to separate intentions from information. So you
1806
01:53:25.239 --> 01:53:27.880
could have influencers on the internet that have the best heart,
1807
01:53:28.000 --> 01:53:31.520
the best integrity, super well meaning, they're just not very
1808
01:53:31.560 --> 01:53:35.000
well studied on something. So they're great people, but I
1809
01:53:35.279 --> 01:53:37.079
can't really trust their information because they don't know it
1810
01:53:37.079 --> 01:53:41.239
all that well. So, you know, trust needs context. Trust
1811
01:53:41.279 --> 01:53:44.159
is a very nuanced thing. I can trust CNN is
1812
01:53:44.199 --> 01:53:45.399
going to lie their faces off to me.
1813
01:53:46.760 --> 01:53:46.960
You know.
1814
01:53:47.079 --> 01:53:50.279
I can trust somebody's intention without trusting their information. That
1815
01:53:50.279 --> 01:53:52.239
doesn't mean I think they're a bad person. That they
1816
01:53:52.279 --> 01:53:54.119
just might not be very well read on this subject.
1817
01:53:54.439 --> 01:53:58.840
At the same time, I can trust somebody's information, but
1818
01:53:59.159 --> 01:54:01.800
I don't trust their heart. I think they're trying to
1819
01:54:02.520 --> 01:54:04.680
manipulate me in some way. But I'm still going to
1820
01:54:04.720 --> 01:54:06.600
pay attention to them because they can have some good
1821
01:54:06.600 --> 01:54:09.399
information nuggets and their stuff here and there. Right, I
1822
01:54:09.399 --> 01:54:10.720
think there's a lot of people like that in the
1823
01:54:10.800 --> 01:54:15.000
UFO movement. I don't really trust their integrity, but they
1824
01:54:15.000 --> 01:54:16.840
got a lot of good information, so I'll still listen
1825
01:54:16.880 --> 01:54:18.880
to them. I'll still follow them, I just won't promote
1826
01:54:18.880 --> 01:54:21.960
them and I won't you know, just be very careful
1827
01:54:21.960 --> 01:54:23.840
about where they might be trying to manipulate me in
1828
01:54:23.880 --> 01:54:27.680
their narratives. So all these sorts of things, you know,
1829
01:54:27.880 --> 01:54:33.000
all these different discernment honing techniques, and being very careful
1830
01:54:33.039 --> 01:54:35.199
with your emotions. That's what I would suggest to people,
1831
01:54:35.760 --> 01:54:38.640
sort of just getting into researching the real world.
1832
01:54:38.760 --> 01:54:41.479
I know, in great suggestions. Jordan, thank you so much.
1833
01:54:41.520 --> 01:54:44.840
This was great information. Before I let you go, let
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01:54:44.880 --> 01:54:47.000
the audience know if they'd like to find out more
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01:54:47.000 --> 01:54:48.720
about you, what's the best way to do so.
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01:54:50.720 --> 01:54:54.640
Thank you, sir. Jordansather dot com is my website and
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01:54:54.720 --> 01:54:57.760
you can find links to all my different platforms on there.
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01:54:58.159 --> 01:55:04.279
I've been censored a lot over the years. YouTube, Twitter, Instagram,
1839
01:55:04.319 --> 01:55:07.399
all of them can't count. But thankfully Elon let me
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back on Twitter. So that's probably my main platform at
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01:55:09.560 --> 01:55:14.399
the moment for social media is Twitter at or x
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01:55:14.439 --> 01:55:17.600
whatever you wanna call it. At Jordan Underscore saith Underscore.
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01:55:18.119 --> 01:55:21.479
For videos, my main platform there is Rumble. Since YouTube
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01:55:21.479 --> 01:55:24.079
don't like me anymore, so at Jordan saith on Rumble.
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01:55:24.119 --> 01:55:26.319
But again you can go to my website jordansather dot
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01:55:26.319 --> 01:55:29.800
com and find links to wherever I'm at or not
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at these days.
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01:55:30.640 --> 01:55:33.000
Excellent Jordan, Thank you again, love to talk again in
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01:55:33.039 --> 01:55:36.680
the future, much more we can discuss and until next time, everyone,
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have an excellent evening. We'll we'll talk again to me.
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