Alien Abduction Research Denise Stoner

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the legend himself, Gary Neal. Anderson.
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Well, good night. Good morning. Wherever you're at tonight, we've
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got a great show. We're going to talk about ETS, UAPs,
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disclosure and alien abductions. It's going to be a great
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show tonight with Denise Stoner. But before that, you know what, JC,
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you know what the government today or last night, the
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president said he wants to give every adult in this country.
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If the Republicans are not throwing out of Congress, Five
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thousand dollars, which actually, when you add that up, it
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comes to over a trillion dollars, which you think about
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Social Security, my friend. Wouldn't that sure it up for
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a long time?
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Where are they getting all this money? Wherever they're getting
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it from, they should use it for what they need
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it for besides wars.
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Well, then he came up with another one today. To
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give everybody because they were overcharged under Biden for their,
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you know, their medical expenses. Five hundred dollars.
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Oh, my check for that two thousand couple years ago
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must got lost in the mail because I haven't got
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that one yet.
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Have you? No, nobody has and nobody will. That's the
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whole point. We don't have a trillion dollars to give
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out to everybody in this country. And then, you know,
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today he mentioned he'll give everybody because of the medical thing.
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They were overcharged before he was president. Five hundred dollars each.
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You know what? To me, that's like, you know, you
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go somewhere and say, hey, vote for me. Here's some money.
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Yeah, it definitely sounds like a political tactic for sure.
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They all do these things. They have things in their
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bag of tricks that they pull out at the last minute.
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That sounds like one of those for sure.
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Well, you know how many people last time when he
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promised he was going to give money out from the
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tariffs went out? You know, naive people, right? They were
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expecting it within the next month. They went out and
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bought stuff they couldn't afford, and they got hung trying
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to figure out how to pay for it.
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Well, I do remember that they said it would, they
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started that, and they said you would get it before Christmas.
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Yeah, they didn't say what year or century, did they?
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No, you know me, I always, I believe it when
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I see it, you know what I mean? Especially nowadays.
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Well, I agree with you. You know, also, when it
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comes down to alien abductions, and people that claim they
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were implanted, or they been abducted, you know, there's no
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government number you can call for help. There's no help.
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I mean, we're talking about disclosure, but why aren't they
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talking about abductions equally to about tied into disclosure? It's
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not happening. It's making me wonder.
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Right.
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And, you know, all these tranches, and I get air quotes,
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you can't see it right now, but all these tranches
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that they release, it's rewashed videos and just, you know,
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grade c stuff or whatever where's the videos of the
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alien autopsies and the videos of abductees on their interviews
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or you know along those kind of lines where are those.
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I don't know but you can sure see a lot
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of fake ones around i can tell you that much.
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Oh speaking of which yesterday there was a couple fake
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videos of aliens and It was laughable almost. But a
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couple of these clickbaiters, they were really on it. They
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did two-hour lives and one-hour lives talking about it. It's like,
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come on, that's a waste of airtime.
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It really is. Well, you know, let's find out some
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information about our guest tonight.
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Let's do it.
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Okay.
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Denise Stoner is proud to be part of MUFON, the
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Mutual UFO Network. She's on the MUFON Experiencer Resource Team.
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and is Assistant Director of Abduction Research under Director Dr.
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George Medich. She also holds the following positions, Florida MUFON
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Field Investigator, Star Team Member, SSD, and she's also State
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Director of Florida MUFON. Denise Stoner co-authored and published her
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first book, The Alien Abduction Files, released in May of
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2013 with Kathleen Marden. Denise holds educational forums in both
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public and private gatherings for abduction experiencers. Her involvement in
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the UFO field spans more than 40 years.
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Well, Denise, it's so nice to have you back on.
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It's been a long time since you've been on, kid.
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It has been, and I'm thrilled to be invited back.
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And you got your root beer with you this time?
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Oh, boy, have I. Yes.
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Okay, we're set.
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We're set.
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I got to ask you a very important question here.
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How old were you when you started having encounters or
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got interested into, well, the strangeness of UAPs? I'm sorry,
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flying saucers. No, flying dishes. No, UFOs. How's that?
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Well, I was about, and they say you can't remember. Yes,
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you can. I was between three and four when I
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was first taken in. And there's no question in my
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mind that something very unusual occurred.
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What do you know? Three and four. You know, a
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lot of people say people can't remember. But I remember
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when I was four years old, when we went to
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camping in Montana, the big toad jumped on me and
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I screamed. And I still remember that today. Yeah.
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And so therefore, you had a kind of a trigger
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that helped you or caused you to recall that event.
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And that's what happened to me today. the very first
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time my mom had ever left me where I was
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not able to be with her, she was in the
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hospital giving birth to my sister. So I was with
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my grandparents who lived with us. And I think of
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that now, of her having my sister and not home,
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and I immediately recall the event that I had.
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What happened? What do you remember?
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Well, I was... Little girl, I was in, we had
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like a small living room and then a little larger one.
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The smaller one they made into a playroom, and I
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had climbed up on a sofa, and it was backed
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by a big window that looked out over an old, gosh,
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telephone poles and all that back then, and an open field.
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And I saw this huge egg-shaped object over the telephone poles,
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and my childlike mind said, that's Humpty Dumpty. I thought
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he was up in the sky. And my grandfather came
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through to check on me, and I said, is that
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Humpty Dumpty? What's he doing up there? And then I said,
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where are his eyes, nose, and mouth? My grandfather had
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fought in World War I in the trenches in France,
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so he was not one to be known for any
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kind of fear. I can recall right now today the
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fear on his face when he looked out the window.
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And he said, let's go upstairs and get ready for bed,
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and we'll read your story. So we did that. He
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went back downstairs, and I was in my bed. And
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all of a sudden, this little creature, dressed kind of
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like a monk, came up to my bed, came right
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through the wallpaper that was all made up of nursery
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rhyme creatures. And I looked in there for another one
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like him, and there wasn't any, nor was Humpty Dumpty.
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And so... this little entity came up to me and
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I could look right into his, he was wearing a
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hood and I could look right into that hood, see
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his eyes. And he was carrying something that some kind
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of a tool or instrument had a little tiny light
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on the tip of it. And he asked me if
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I would like to go with him. And I said, fine, that, yes,
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he put his other hand out. I took it. We
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went out into the hallway and he touched the wall.
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with that instrument, and when he did, we walked right
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through the wall. And I found myself in a big
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round room, and I could look down at the end
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of it and see a bunch of other kids sitting
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on a bench.
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Wow, what was it like to see kids?
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I was wondering what they were doing because I couldn't
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hear them. I could see them. There was another entity
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down there that was carrying kind of a, notebook type
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affair reading to them from that and I wanted to
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know what he was reading and the little guy that
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took me said not this time not this time just
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look and then he took me back the same way
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he brought me that's scary through the wall and into
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bed yeah if I had known better I would have
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been afraid but I wasn't.
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And then how did it progress from there.
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He came several times, and well, he continued to come.
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And I told my mom that I had somebody that
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came for me, told her about it, and she said, oh,
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you've got a little invisible friend. And what I didn't
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know is My mom and dad's bedroom was down the
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hall from ours, and they had gone to bed one
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night and looking out the big window that was at
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the foot of their bed, kind of across the room.
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And my dad was a bomber in World War II,
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so he knew his aircraft. And there was a huge
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light coming down into that backyard and headed for the
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house pretty rapidly. And he said to my mom, if
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that keeps coming, it's pretty big. It's going to hit
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the house. Well, my dad normally would have gotten up
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and gotten everybody downstairs and out of the house. He didn't.
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The next thing that both my parents recalled was it
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was morning and they woke up.
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That is strange.
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It is. Yeah.
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How about when you got older, like in grade school,
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junior high, high school?
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The little entity would still come for me. He did
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grow so that he was a little taller, not much.
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He was, oh, I guess maybe when I was older,
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he became probably five, six feet tall. I did see
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some smaller ones just like him, but I knew internally
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that those were robots. They weren't real. This character was
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a live being.
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Did it have a uniform on? Can you describe it
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when you were older and it grew up bigger too?
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This one did not have a uniform. The little robots did.
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They stood lined up against the wall inside one of
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the crafts and never moved unless they were directed to.
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But the E.T. that I saw was never wearing any
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kind of uniform. I did see, because that's the one
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that worked on me, a doctor. And he was an
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insect type, a mantis. And I called him the doctor
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because all he did was his scientific work on my body.
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He was dressed in a uniform and he had a
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symbol on one part of him. And through the years,
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I've decided that I think that symbol was built into
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his skin. and not on his clothing.
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Very interesting. Did they show any compassion at all?
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I think as far as that entity that was the
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insect type, only showed curiosity when I got furious with him.
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Because he hurt me. He was sticking me with a
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needle and all of that kind of thing. And I
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got angry with him. And he moved right up close
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to my face and kind of cocked his head to
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one side as if, what are you doing? Why are
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you behaving that way? So that was curiosity to my
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way of thinking. My ET?
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No.
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I felt very comfortable with him. I felt that he
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had compassion, empathy, supportive, and that he was there to
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remove pain and fear. And that's exactly what he did.
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When this was all going on, did you go up
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to your parents or your sister and talk about what
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was going on?
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You know, I didn't go into it deeply at all.
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When I mentioned that I had a friend, that someone
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was coming for me, and they said, oh, I had
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one of those little invisible friends, I just didn't take
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it any further until I was much older than I
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did because my parents became a part of our missing times.
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Very interesting. When your parents became part of your missing time,
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can you explain that to the listeners?
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Sure. We lived in Denver, and we had a beautiful
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campsite up in the mountains in a little town. Oh, gosh.
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There's an area called the Collegiate Peaks, and we would
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dip down into an area called, believe it or not,
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South Park, go past a little town called Jefferson that was...
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I don't even know if it had 200 people in
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it at the time, 1982. And we were headed for camp.
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We always got there before dark so we could have
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dinner with my parents who met us. They came from
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Colorado Springs to their campsite. And we were driving, and
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I was watching these lights as we reached one of
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the peaks where we always got out of the car,
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walked around a minute, because it was almost a three-hour
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trip total. So we'd stretch. and looked down on the
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little town, and I saw lights. Way out in South Park,
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there was nothing. Just, it was high desert. And I
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saw lights, and they were moving toward the road, the
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only road that you could travel on at the time.
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So we got in the car and went down. I'm
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still watching the lights. They came up over the top
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of the car, and then I saw a big craft.
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They lifted our car, Moved it out into the high desert.
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I had an experience. They took me into the craft.
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They did whatever it was they do physically. They let
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me go, but we came to on an area called
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Trout Creek Pass. We had been missing almost three hours.
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My husband had set the odometer because it was a
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new car, and he was testing everything out, and that
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had not changed at But yet we had crossed that
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whole valley and ended up on the other side of
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the pass. And nothing had changed. But the car was running.
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It was now dark. And we were a little bit fearful,
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wondering what we should do. You know, how did we
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end up here? All of that type of thing.
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That's scary to go through something like that. But I'm
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going to back before you got married. When you were
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in high school on a date, You know, young people,
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I have to admit, I did it. I'd find a
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nice lake or some romantic spot with my girlfriend to
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do a little kissing. Oh, yeah. Have you ever had,
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when you were out on a date, did you ever
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have any encounters?
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I had one right in the city. My best friend
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lived two houses up from me. We are still in
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touch and we're still good friends. And I was coming
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home from babysitting. I babysat for my dentist and he
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lived at the other end of where we lived. So
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I was walking home and I was at the top
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of the hill, had to go down that hill to
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my home. And I realized I was being followed and
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I turned around and it was not human. It was very,
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very tall, maybe seven feet or more. And he had
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his arm out as if he was reaching for me.
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And as a child, I suddenly remembered being followed by
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the same type of entity. And they had kind of,
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remember the old oil cans that had a little kind
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of a tube-like thing on the end and you pushed
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the bottom out? And it made a kind of a
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clocking sound.
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Oh, yeah.
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Remember those? Okay. The same type of sound came out
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of the end of this entity's hand. And he would
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always put some sort of fluid on my shoulder. Well,
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I recognized him. I started to run. He started to run.
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And I ran instead of into my home. There wasn't
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enough time. I ran into this friend's home. and I
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told her dad that somebody was following, and that I
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had seen him go into their backyard. And we had
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pretty deep, big, kind of dark backyards. He told us
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all to go and sit in their family room on
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the sofa together, and there were six of us, her
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young brothers and older sister. We were watching, and a
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cop came, and he went into the backyard, and we
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could see his flashlight moving all through the backyard, While
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he was doing that, this entity came up to the
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sliding glass door where we were sitting and looked in
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at us. And we kept saying, we were yelling, he's
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right here, he's at the door. And then the cop
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came around to the front door and he said, I
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don't have a partner tonight. I'm not going in that
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backyard again. He got in his car and took off.
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I don't blame him. Seriously. But have you ever had
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an encounter where they cloak their face, make it look
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like a loved one or somebody you knew or not
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an alien. In other words, like a human.
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Not like a human, but like an animal. And the animal,
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you look at them and you say to yourself, wait
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a minute, this animal, there's something wrong. Something wrong with
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the eyes. There's something wrong just a little bit here
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and there, the color of the body. And I don't
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know what's going on, but it was like, oh, a deer.
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There would be deer. There would be a fox or
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an owl looking in the window at me and just
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enticing me without saying anything to go outside.
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You know, there's been a lot of reports and a
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lot of people I've interviewed since 1970. They tie owls.
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with ets yes i.
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Think so i would too i would have to agree
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because once you got outside and followed them a little
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ways they transitioned into the entity or the et and
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you automatically followed them into the craft then.
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Now do you remember what the craft or the you
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know at least one of them what it looked like
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physically on the outside and the inside can you take
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us a tour of the UFO and what you saw inside?
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I can do that.
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I'm going to make a combination of what I saw
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up in Colorado and then another one where I was
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given a little bit of information that has always kind
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of bothered me. So I never say to everybody, this
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is true, it's absolutely fact. No, because I don't know that.
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I've undergone hypnosis many times by Kathleen Martin. She was
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my investigator to see how much conscious memory I had
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and how much not. So when we were in Colorado,
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if you can envision regular, I don't know, good-sized dinner plates,
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put the two bottoms together and put lights around where
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the bottom's you know, the little narrow bottoms that you
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sit down on the table, put lights all around that
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and they would be blinking. And then it would conform to, well,
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I don't even know how to explain this, but take
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the top dish and fold it over until you had
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a regular shaped disc. Bring the two dishes together. One
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folds up, one down, and they meet in the middle.
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That's the type of craft that took me.
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Now, a question I have is that the craft looked
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like that. Was there lights on it? Was it metallic?
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Did it have legs on it? Or was it hovering?
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I just am so curious.
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It had no legs. It hovered just barely above the ground.
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It just looked like it was sitting there and that
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it should have legs because it wasn't moving at all.
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And yes, it had lights, both when it was in
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one shape, like the dishes with the bottoms put together,
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and when they folded over each other, then the lights
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came around the outside of it. And they were kind
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of red, white, and sometimes blue.
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Did you feel any type of like in your body,
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like a humming from coming from the craft or did
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you hear something? I, um, that one did not hear
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anything on a couple of others.
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I felt a vibration physically.
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Yeah.
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Um, and it, it would build up and build up
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and you would wonder what was going to happen. Nothing
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ever came of it, but, you wondered if it would,
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and if so, what was that going to be? You
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almost felt like you were going to disappear.
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That's another question I have right here for you, is that, Denise,
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how did they take you aboard? Does a door open
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up on the craft like when you watch sci-fi movies,
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or did they just transport you in through the metallic object?
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One of them had a door. The one in Colorado
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had a door open, and a ramp, and I was
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guided up the ramp into the craft and started looking
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around because I didn't really have any recall at that
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point of some of the other crafts I had been in.
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This one was totally different. It was lit in a
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way that you couldn't see any light bulbs, nothing like that.
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It just glowed inside, and it was somewhere between a
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pale blue Yellow with a little hint of blue color, silvery.
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You can't really describe the color of the lights. And
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then I was taken into a room and that's where
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I really met the doctor, the insect. And they did
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a whole bunch of things, tests. They did draw some
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kind of fluid from my navel. Um, that's what made
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me angry because that was extremely painful. Um, and then
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we left and we started to walk around in a circle,
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you know, the following the sides, the walls of the
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inside of the craft. And I had the ET with
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me who was guiding me. And that's when I saw
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the smaller ones that I knew were robots lined up
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against the wall. And we kept walking and he said,
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I'm going to take you back. But first I want
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to show you something. So we got to the end
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and there was a door on the left. I assumed
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I was going out that door. And there all lined
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up were many, many vials. And they were all filled
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with various stages of fetuses growing in some kind of fluid.
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That reminds me, you know, Terry Lovelace, in his abduction,
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he talks about when he was brought into the craft.
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He saw test tubes with human bodies in it. Did
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you see anything like that on that craft?
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No, I did not see humans. All the time I
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only saw these fetuses, except they were half and half.
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So I guess I could say there was humans in them.
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And I said, what is that? And the ET did
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not speak. It was kind of a mental, verbal situation.
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And he said to me, watch for the quickening. I
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had no idea what he was talking about. And I
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looked into the one that held the largest baby, looked
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like it was close to nine months in development. And
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it kind of shuddered, turned and looked me right in
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the eyes. And I felt a relationship to that baby
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from that day on. And I said, well, He looks perfect.
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I couldn't think of anything else to say. He looks perfect.
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And then something, I can't find anyone else that this
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was ever said to. I keep looking and asking. I
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heard the ET say to me, yes, because if they're
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not perfect, you get to keep them and raise them yourself.
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Ah, interesting. Here's my concern. Could they be breeding animals?
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breeding these to eventually change our DNA with humans and
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to eventually maybe take over the human race?
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I think they were, and this is just a feeling,
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I don't know, no way to prove it, that they
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were trying to not only improve us, but improve themselves.
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And in doing so, that's exactly what would happen. We
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would become them. They would become us. And hopefully, I
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would think, improve the earth. But I can't say that either.
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It's just a feeling or a sense that I have.
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See, what always scares me about these abductions, Denise, is that, one,
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people are taking against their wishes. And they don't care
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what type of pain you go through while they do
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their testing on you. They don't care if your life
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is destroyed after it emotionally. And yes, some people come
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in and told me, yes, I had cancer. And after
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my abduction, the cancer, it was gone. And yes, you know,
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maybe they, oh, yeah, maybe fine and change things. But again,
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I really am scared from the standpoint. They don't give
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any thought any more than we do. When we used
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to test like dogs and cats with shampoo to find
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out if it's toxic. for humans. They would use animals
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and monkeys and all that. And that's what the part
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is really scares me about these abductions.
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It's very frightening. You know, how many people, again, this
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is a feeling, something that I believe I did. I
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agreed to this before I was born. I agreed to
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be a part of whatever it is they're doing.
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Yeah.
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But you know, even that, that, you aren't the consent
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age emotionally to even digest. So even if you consented
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to it, you really didn't understand it.
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That's true. No, I did not. Um, nor did anyone else.
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I don't believe that may say the same thing. And
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I know some that have, so yes, I would agree
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with you. Um, how and why does this occur? I
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don't know.
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I wish I did.
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I just know it happens. And that's why many who
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have doctorates and they're scientists and so forth are now
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beginning to study situations as far as what happens. Like
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Travis Walton becoming very ill. And he actually feels like
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he died and they brought him back to life because
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they blamed themselves for what happened to him when he
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ran under that craft. Same thing with being exposed to
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whatever it is runs that craft. So now we have
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to look at immune deficiency, clotting disorders, diabetes, migraines, you
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name many, many types of illnesses. that show up only
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following a close-up encounter with a craft.
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And that's really scary. Now, Denise, we need to take
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a break, so we'll be right back after this. So
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don't go anywhere. We're going to dive more deep into
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abductions and what is going on about it in Disclosure.
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So don't go anywhere. Stay tuned. We'll be right back
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right after this.
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The shadow at Whitefish Point. What would you do if
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your dog suddenly became terrified in the middle of nowhere,
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and then you saw something watching you from the darkness?
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In Michigan's Upper Peninsula, two women were near the Whitefish
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Point Lighthouse as daylight began to disappear. They were walking
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with their dog when suddenly, something changed. The dog became
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extremely agitated, refusing to go any farther. Then, the women
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reportedly saw a large, dark figure crouched behind driftwood. One
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of them shined a flashlight toward it, and according to
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their account, the figure ducked down, then slowly looked back
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at them. That's when the dog pulled them toward the lighthouse.
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They didn't wait around to find out what they were
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looking at. Was it a man?
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A bear?
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Or something that shouldn't have been there? The encounter was
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later reported to the Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization. But here's
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the question. What was standing in the darkness at Whitefish Point?
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And why did the dog know something was there before
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they did? Forbidden Realms Late Night Show with Gary, where
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Back to the gold standard of late night talk radio. Gary.
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And we were back with Denise Stoner. And, you know, again,
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you really look at this, Denise, the abductions. What's going on?
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You know, a lot of people think, oh, they're just
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collecting DNA. I don't buy that because they could reproduce DNA.
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How many times would they have to? abduct somebody for
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the DNA. I think, again, there's some other motive that
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we're not really thinking what it is.
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I would have to agree with you. There is some
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other agenda or motive that we're not aware of. I
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can't even begin to guess, trying to put together all
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of the things and events and processes that I've gone through,
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that other people have gone through, and we are still
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working on it. Um, I've used a forensic regressive hypnosis
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method on people that I have worked with to help
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them attach what they don't remember and what they don't
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recall to their conscious memory, see where it all fits.
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It's a very complicated situation, and so many things are
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being exposed, a little bit, and just like your... conversation
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a minute ago on the Sasquatch, where something similar to
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Mount St. Helens, when they were cleaning up after that,
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not just taking human bodies that had passed away and burned,
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but animals, and on top of that pile were some
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Sasquatch and some ETs, and they were witnessed being hauled
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away by a helicopter.
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That's what I'm saying. We're being lied to. Even with
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disclosure is coming out, like I mentioned before we were
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on the air, I mean, everybody's trying to do clickbait.
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If you go listen to all these podcasts, they're out
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trying to do better than their competition. And they're spreading
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lies and false information. You know, the ground research that's
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been going on since 1947 to prove that we are
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being visited is actually being destroyed today. And maybe that's
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the way the government wants to do it. They'll drip
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out some information, yeah. But they know what the average
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person is going to do. They're going to enhance it.
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They're going to lie. They're going to write books about
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it and manipulate it. Now, one thing I'm going to
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say here today, I was reading a journal last night
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about humanity. What is going on in the last 20-some years,
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and actually in 15 years, males, for example— Their DNA
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is being changed a little bit. They're becoming more feminine. Women,
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on the other hand, their DNA is being changed to
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produce less children. So something is going on.
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I would agree. Yes, something is going on. And are
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they coming to a point where in our lifetimes or
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maybe shortly afterwards, There will be no more children bred
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the way we have all these years. What's coming? Because
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both men and women are being changed, and nobody even
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knows who they are anymore. They're so confused, and they
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don't know where to go for help. Do they even
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want it, some of them? No. But you are exactly right.
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Well, they say within 100 years that males won't be
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able to, well, reproduce and create offsprings.
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Yes, I've heard that, and I have to agree there, too.
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And what are they protecting? Something, again, I think we're
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being lied to. For instance... When, you know, the writer
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of 411, Gone Missing, and oh gosh, what is his name?
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I cannot recall. But he's got many, many books out
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about people disappearing in the national parks. And he tried
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to get copies of reports that were filed, and they
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claimed they were going to charge him somewhere around $ 10, 000
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to get the reports.
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Up to a million, actually.
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Yes. Well, I worked for National Park Service for eight years.
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And they have something, and now it's computerized, but it's
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still very similar. It's called PIF, Project Information Files. And
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when somebody wants a report on something, to add to it,
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detract to whatever, all you had to do was push
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a button, and that particular project showed up. It took
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about 10 minutes. That's it. So what are they charging for?
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It doesn't make any sense.
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Well, I think, too, because, you know, one of our
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regular guests on the show is a former law enforcement
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ranger for the government. And actually, he was in charge
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of an area of state land or, you know, federal land.
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And what he said, like, again, when they would investigate,
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people had gone missing. In some of the weird cases,
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when he would go back, you know, a couple of
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weeks later to find out what's going on, he wasn't
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allowed access to it.
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Uh-huh.
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That's what else was going on.
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That's true. And if you go to certain national parks,
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and I'm not sure about state, but national parks, and
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you want to go off trail, you're a hiker, you're
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going to go off trail because you want to see
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some areas you feel that you are capable of walking on.
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So now you must file a request for a special
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permit to go on those trails. You file all this information,
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you give them everything they need, and you will never
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get that permit.
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No. So they're trying to cover something up. And again,
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I don't know. I am getting more confused, Denise, because
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this has been going on, and it seems right now,
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like I just said a minute ago, it's like a carnival.
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You know, trying to find out information. And what do
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we know what's real, what isn't real? And that's what
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I think they're trying to implant into us. But, you know,
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some people say, like, you know, this year something bad
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is going to happen. Next year, you know, something's going
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to happen. It was supposed to happen in January, according
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to Dr. Stephen Greer. That never happened. And people building
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bunkers and underground bunkers because they're terrified what's going to happen.
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Is it going to be an alien invasion? Do you
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feel that?
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I can't say that that's what I feel, but myself
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and if you ask others that have had an event
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in their lives that involve crafts and so forth, something
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is coming.
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When?
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I don't know. I'm not going to lie about it
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and make up some date and time, but I feel
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like it's very, you're expecting something. You're anticipating something. And
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that sense of kind of shakiness, nervousness, it's always there.
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Yeah. But, you know, again, like Lou Elizondo has built
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a huge bunker underground. A lot of people, a guy
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down the street from where I'm at, built a huge
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bunker underground. I mean, you know, people are panicking. If
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it isn't about this, it's about that. But, you know, again,
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you know, going back to the movies of the 50s
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and 60s and 70s, Do we really know what these ETs, aliens,
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whatever we want to call them, what their motive is?
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And you know what? A lot of people think they're
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all the same. Again, the universe is so vast. We
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could be visited by so many people from different, you know,
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fractions out there that some people are compassionate, some aren't,
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some are warriors. You know, I heard from so many
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guests for the years, Denise, that, oh, they're beyond being warriors.
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But look at us on our own planet from Cain
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and Abel to today. What is going on? And it
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hasn't stopped nonstop.
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No, it doesn't stop. And the religious wars are just escalating, escalating,
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and they're not being solved. And I think there are
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good and bad when it comes to Who lives out
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there and how far and how do they get to
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us like they do? And what is their motive? What
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is their agenda? Some of it, I think, is not good.
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Well, what do you think about the president saying that
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we should shoot him down?
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Oh, my goodness. Shoot first, ask questions later. Yeah. You know,
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I keep arguing with myself because I'm not a violent
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individual at all. And I say, talk to them first,
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because if they wanted us and they wanted to expose
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us to everything that they're after, they could or they
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would have already. And they're not doing that. So why?
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My question is, how will we get any answers if
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we shoot them?
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Well, what if we shoot one down that are not
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the friendly type, the warrior type? We could be to
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the point where we don't have a planet left to
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walk on.
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That's true. That is true. What kind of a big
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chance do we take? This is all becoming mixed into
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one big glob. There are some sort of portals that
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open up. And I think that there are ETs dropping
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through those now, but not only those, but we've got ghosts,
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we've got visitors from people who have passed away. They're
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all coming through the same space.
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Well, Denise, but look at this. Michio Kaku on our
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show a couple of years ago said, we're so close
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to cracking the fifth dimension where portals, parallel universes could
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exist that, you know, when you die... You maybe go
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into another dimension. So, therefore, you see other people, right,
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in that dimension, but you don't see us or we
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don't see you. And could that be it?
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I suppose that could be it.
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Well, ghosts. Think about it. The ghosts still maybe exist
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in another dimension as living beings.
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What if they're all there? What if they're all in
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one spot? I've had a near-death experience. And during one
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of those, because I've had a couple, I saw the ET.
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I did not see other humans. I saw the ET
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that always came after me. And I had the strangest
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kind of a sad feeling because he had never changed.
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But when I saw him there, he had aged. He
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had gotten older. And I don't know what he was
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trying to tell me. So I felt sorry for him
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or maybe he had passed on. I don't know. Are
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we all going to the same place? I think it's
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another realm, another dimension. This is just my feeling.
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Well, if we do have a fifth dimension and we
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go there, I feel very hopefully that Adolf Hitler is
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getting a pineapple every night. And I'm not going to
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go any farther than that. But here's another thing.
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That's good.
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Well, you know, I'm not going to tell you where
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they're going to put it, but you can figure that
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one out. Well, I'll think about it. I think about
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it quite... No, that's not true. Now, regressing people. You know,
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we have been saturated since the 50s about aliens conquering
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the Earth, you know. And even before that, the War
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of the Worlds, all that has been in our brains.
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And constantly now, if you go on, there's always either
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zombie movies or there's UFOs coming and conquering the earth
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and taking people. Now, people watch that, like Star Trek,
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Star Wars. We've all been involved in all that for
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the years. When you regress somebody and they think they've
718
00:46:40.139 --> 00:46:44.300
been abducted or they had an encounter, Is there a
719
00:46:44.340 --> 00:46:48.010
way to take that? It's been implanted in their brain
720
00:46:48.070 --> 00:46:51.130
all through the years. Could that be in their mind
721
00:46:51.789 --> 00:46:52.349
as real?
722
00:46:54.090 --> 00:46:59.780
Yes. It's very, I don't want to use the term convoluted,
723
00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:02.579
but it's confusing and it's mixed up. And the only
724
00:47:02.659 --> 00:47:05.400
thing you can do is I look at someone that
725
00:47:05.460 --> 00:47:10.719
has some conscious memory that they know they've been taken.
726
00:47:10.739 --> 00:47:13.320
They can describe a little bit of it. I can
727
00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:15.340
write that down and then try to fill in the
728
00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:20.530
blanks by using what I call a forensic regressive hypnosis,
729
00:47:21.110 --> 00:47:24.710
which means I ask questions, but it's not giving them
730
00:47:24.909 --> 00:47:29.070
any information at all. I say something like, where are you?
731
00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:34.920
Describe it. Tell me more. What do you see? So
732
00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:37.360
they're going to have to fill all that in all
733
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:41.389
by themselves. I can run a little test in the
734
00:47:41.449 --> 00:47:44.789
beginning to see if someone is capable of being hypnotized.
735
00:47:44.889 --> 00:47:49.610
Some are not. It's something you do because you want to.
736
00:47:50.110 --> 00:47:52.809
You have total control of it. So I do that
737
00:47:52.849 --> 00:47:57.940
little test first. Then there's a little practice thing that
738
00:47:57.980 --> 00:48:01.699
I do. I really take my time and spend a
739
00:48:02.460 --> 00:48:06.000
lot of hours working with someone. I haven't done it
740
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:11.500
for a while because... It's stressful. You have to go
741
00:48:11.539 --> 00:48:15.179
through the emotions of the person, what's going to happen
742
00:48:15.219 --> 00:48:18.369
when they realize, oh, I've got this blank filled in.
743
00:48:18.449 --> 00:48:22.389
Here's that ET. They don't know if it's real or not.
744
00:48:23.449 --> 00:48:26.710
So that's basically all we can do is use that
745
00:48:26.829 --> 00:48:31.320
method and hope that they're going to not expound on
746
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:35.880
something that they want to just please the hypnotist and
747
00:48:36.179 --> 00:48:39.739
make me happy again. or someone else who's doing hypnosis,
748
00:48:40.739 --> 00:48:43.130
to let them think like, boy, I did good, didn't I?
749
00:48:43.139 --> 00:48:43.889
I made it all up.
750
00:48:45.300 --> 00:48:47.340
Can people make stuff up while they're under?
751
00:48:48.460 --> 00:48:57.139
Yes, absolutely. They can fill in a whole story. And
752
00:48:57.409 --> 00:49:02.730
there are several things that you can do. Again, it's
753
00:49:02.989 --> 00:49:07.510
not foolproof, none of it. But somehow something tells you
754
00:49:08.230 --> 00:49:11.400
if you're good at giving the hypnosis and you know
755
00:49:11.460 --> 00:49:14.659
what to do and you're listening carefully, you're watching body language.
756
00:49:16.019 --> 00:49:19.769
Does a person have fear or are they startled? Are
757
00:49:19.789 --> 00:49:24.760
they surprised at what they're seeing? There's a whole line,
758
00:49:24.780 --> 00:49:28.159
a whole bunch of things that you can do to
759
00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:31.050
kind of get an idea. Okay, some of this has
760
00:49:31.110 --> 00:49:31.659
to be true.
761
00:49:33.610 --> 00:49:37.630
Very interesting. Now going on to like move on, Do
762
00:49:37.670 --> 00:49:41.659
they have anything? I know they take UFO reports. I
763
00:49:41.719 --> 00:49:46.380
know they do take, right, reports of being abducted. And
764
00:49:46.539 --> 00:49:49.130
if they do, I mean, what do they do about it?
765
00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:55.949
You know, that's a good question. The Experiencers Resource Team
766
00:49:55.989 --> 00:49:59.989
are supposed to help individuals. They have changed some of
767
00:50:00.050 --> 00:50:04.170
their rules on who gets that report first, what they're
768
00:50:04.210 --> 00:50:08.280
going to do with it, whether the investigator has any clue,
769
00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:11.269
any idea what to do with someone who is claiming
770
00:50:11.309 --> 00:50:16.289
they've been abducted before it gets to that part of
771
00:50:16.329 --> 00:50:21.550
the agency. I will admit that I disagree with that.
772
00:50:21.670 --> 00:50:24.090
I don't think it's fair for a person to have
773
00:50:24.139 --> 00:50:28.659
to wait for a state director to handle all of that,
774
00:50:28.739 --> 00:50:31.860
get their report done, turn it in, And then they're
775
00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:34.539
allowed to talk to someone who knows what they're doing
776
00:50:34.579 --> 00:50:35.820
when it comes to abduction.
777
00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:39.559
I mean, is it counseling or just taking information?
778
00:50:41.300 --> 00:50:45.869
It's taking information, writing a big report, getting that filed.
779
00:50:47.050 --> 00:50:51.329
And supposedly some people can see it, some can't. But
780
00:50:51.570 --> 00:50:54.510
what does it matter if the person has exposed themselves
781
00:50:54.630 --> 00:50:56.550
totally to a state director?
782
00:50:57.500 --> 00:51:01.179
What I'm concerned out there is there's people that have
783
00:51:01.219 --> 00:51:08.000
been taken. And there's no government number, like 1-800-I've-been-taken. I mean, there's,
784
00:51:08.500 --> 00:51:11.099
what does a person do? I mean, who do they
785
00:51:11.139 --> 00:51:15.199
go to? Their own therapist? Which, again, you know, costs
786
00:51:15.260 --> 00:51:18.619
a lot of money. There's, you know, there's reporting centers, yes,
787
00:51:18.679 --> 00:51:22.070
like for UFOs and stuff, but there's no counseling for
788
00:51:22.110 --> 00:51:26.210
people that have been abducted, taken aboard a craft, mutilated,
789
00:51:26.309 --> 00:51:30.099
tested on, and then dumped back on the earth And
790
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:32.559
have to survive.
791
00:51:33.539 --> 00:51:38.659
Yeah, they're left alone. Well, I'm now doing some research
792
00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:43.159
investigations with a group called OPUS, which is the Organization
793
00:51:43.219 --> 00:51:48.449
for Paranormal Understanding and Support. It's all inclusive. The paranormal
794
00:51:48.590 --> 00:51:55.190
includes abductions. And when we are given that individual to
795
00:51:55.269 --> 00:51:59.949
support us, It's ours. It doesn't go back to anybody else.
796
00:52:00.650 --> 00:52:03.369
It's ours. We work with them. We speak with them.
797
00:52:03.769 --> 00:52:08.170
And we also have a provider list of psychiatrists and
798
00:52:08.190 --> 00:52:11.809
psychologists and doctors that we can refer them to.
799
00:52:12.769 --> 00:52:16.159
Well, you mentioned, you know, therapists and psychiatrists and all that.
800
00:52:17.739 --> 00:52:22.840
Here's my point. How do they take it when somebody,
801
00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:25.679
you know, makes an appointment and goes in and says, hey,
802
00:52:25.739 --> 00:52:28.880
I've been abducted They've done this to me, and they've
803
00:52:28.900 --> 00:52:33.550
been doing it for years. How did they take it? Now,
804
00:52:33.710 --> 00:52:36.570
I will admit, I had two years of psychology at
805
00:52:36.670 --> 00:52:39.409
University of Washington back when they invented the rubber wheel.
806
00:52:41.210 --> 00:52:45.960
And I analyze people. You know, I analyze people. But again,
807
00:52:45.980 --> 00:52:50.380
you know, how many, again, of these health workers are
808
00:52:50.420 --> 00:52:53.800
going to take a person serious? Because, you know, years ago,
809
00:52:53.860 --> 00:52:55.590
when somebody would come up to me and say, hey,
810
00:52:55.670 --> 00:52:58.699
I saw a UFO. And maybe I was standing with
811
00:52:58.739 --> 00:53:01.019
some friends. We'd all take a step back, look at
812
00:53:01.059 --> 00:53:04.460
that person from their shoes to the top of their head,
813
00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:07.820
and then we'd go, okay, this guy needs to be
814
00:53:07.860 --> 00:53:14.440
in the hospital. I mean, how do they take it now?
815
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:21.719
Well, OPUS asks for individuals who are interested and can
816
00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:26.019
remain neutral working with someone to go on our provider list.
817
00:53:26.489 --> 00:53:28.989
Those are the only ones that we refer to someone.
818
00:53:30.769 --> 00:53:34.510
So they are out there. Was it hard to find
819
00:53:34.769 --> 00:53:35.329
those people?
820
00:53:35.389 --> 00:53:40.199
Oh, brother, yes. We are redoing the list at this point,
821
00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:44.599
and oh my goodness sake. Some people have retired. Some
822
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:47.659
have passed away. Some have decided not to do it
823
00:53:47.739 --> 00:53:52.659
any longer. So we're redoing and rebuilding the whole thing
824
00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:56.289
to see if we can't get new individuals who are
825
00:53:56.389 --> 00:54:02.050
out there and prepared to handle that type of situation, listening, supporting.
826
00:54:03.909 --> 00:54:08.400
It's a very difficult thing. I actually had two doctors.
827
00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:12.340
One was my neurologist, and one was just a regular
828
00:54:12.420 --> 00:54:19.639
primary who admitted that they had been taken. And I
829
00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:23.849
was very shocked and surprised when that occurred.
830
00:54:24.550 --> 00:54:27.710
Yeah, well, why not them, just like me or you or,
831
00:54:28.250 --> 00:54:31.449
you know, hopefully my producer in the future. But, you know,
832
00:54:31.570 --> 00:54:35.760
if you really look at that, if you, again, there's
833
00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:42.019
nobody for help. It really isn't. As many people are
834
00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:45.460
claiming they have been abducted and still being abducted on
835
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:49.610
a regular basis, I really feel my heart goes out
836
00:54:49.650 --> 00:54:53.380
to them. Because if you go to your normal therapist,
837
00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:55.900
you know what they're going to do? After they listen
838
00:54:55.940 --> 00:54:58.039
to you, they're going to give you a prescription for
839
00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:00.260
a bottle of pills that make you a zombie. That's right.
840
00:55:01.429 --> 00:55:03.349
Let's get you going on the lithium.
841
00:55:03.449 --> 00:55:03.969
Why not?
842
00:55:04.590 --> 00:55:07.889
And who knows what else? And that helps take away
843
00:55:07.969 --> 00:55:12.090
your memory that should you stop taking or lighten the
844
00:55:12.179 --> 00:55:15.059
dose of those pills, the memories are going to come
845
00:55:15.099 --> 00:55:16.199
back tenfold.
846
00:55:16.840 --> 00:55:21.469
Yeah. And I've actually... known that it can actually cause
847
00:55:21.650 --> 00:55:23.429
mental problems for the rest of their life.
848
00:55:24.849 --> 00:55:29.000
Oh, yeah. It's bad. It's not the way to handle
849
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:34.139
anything like that. One of the psychologists that I work
850
00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:36.599
with on a couple of cases, we have been with
851
00:55:36.659 --> 00:55:40.610
these people for two years. We still don't have an
852
00:55:40.769 --> 00:55:45.889
answer for them. We walk them through different processes that
853
00:55:45.929 --> 00:55:49.659
they can do, to try and make themselves more comfortable,
854
00:55:50.300 --> 00:55:56.059
and blah, blah, blah. But there is no cure for
855
00:55:56.099 --> 00:55:57.579
what these people are going through.
856
00:55:59.380 --> 00:56:03.920
That is the problem. And I'm just curious, any statistics
857
00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:09.039
that MUFON has, how many people claiming they're being abducted yearly?
858
00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:13.840
Oh, gosh. Okay. I can't give you an exact figure,
859
00:56:13.940 --> 00:56:19.079
but There are something like 72 individuals now in the
860
00:56:19.260 --> 00:56:24.480
Experiences Resource Research Team, and they are being given X
861
00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:29.599
amount of cases each month. So 72, and maybe they're
862
00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:35.539
being given three to four cases a month. Add that up,
863
00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:39.280
and they're not getting them all because people reach a
864
00:56:39.340 --> 00:56:42.119
place where there's a fear factor, and it's, uh-oh, I'm
865
00:56:42.219 --> 00:56:46.030
exposing myself. I'm afraid of this, but I'm also afraid
866
00:56:46.070 --> 00:56:48.489
of what happened, and I don't know what to do,
867
00:56:48.630 --> 00:56:52.590
and it starts to spin in a circle. Very, very
868
00:56:52.659 --> 00:56:54.380
difficult for those souls.
869
00:56:55.179 --> 00:56:59.599
Now, we have MUFON taking reports of UFOs and sightings
870
00:56:59.699 --> 00:57:03.280
and orbs and abductions, but what do they do with
871
00:57:03.320 --> 00:57:07.239
that information? How is that going to benefit the population?
872
00:57:10.070 --> 00:57:13.289
Right now, I don't think it will. I think it's
873
00:57:13.489 --> 00:57:17.969
just benefiting those who are studying the situation. And where
874
00:57:18.250 --> 00:57:22.789
all of that is going, I don't know. I will
875
00:57:22.849 --> 00:57:26.789
not guess. Well, I have some thoughts, but I am
876
00:57:26.829 --> 00:57:29.210
not going to make any statements on it because it
877
00:57:29.250 --> 00:57:31.929
would not be fair to the people who are working
878
00:57:32.030 --> 00:57:38.880
very hard to help. And it's just a, oh, what's
879
00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:41.719
a word for it? You're on a carousel that never
880
00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:42.360
slows down.
881
00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:46.659
Yeah. Well, that's another thing. You know, again, the government should,
882
00:57:46.699 --> 00:57:48.750
you know, they had Errol and they have all these
883
00:57:48.829 --> 00:57:52.809
other things, you know, that have come about. But even then,
884
00:57:52.949 --> 00:57:55.690
you know, we had one of the directors of Errol.
885
00:57:56.030 --> 00:57:58.909
He was on it for a very short time. But
886
00:57:59.409 --> 00:58:01.429
as a director, I had him on my show and
887
00:58:01.510 --> 00:58:04.590
I asked, have you ever had an encounter with a UFO? No.
888
00:58:05.849 --> 00:58:08.010
Have you ever been abducted or known anybody?
889
00:58:08.030 --> 00:58:08.090
No.
890
00:58:09.289 --> 00:58:10.869
Do you believe UFOs exist?
891
00:58:11.150 --> 00:58:11.369
No.
892
00:58:12.650 --> 00:58:16.199
And this is Errol. I mean, you know, I almost
893
00:58:16.300 --> 00:58:17.059
pissed myself.
894
00:58:18.039 --> 00:58:22.519
Yeah, I'm telling you. And these individuals, as far as
895
00:58:22.539 --> 00:58:27.099
Errol goes, some people are turning in reports to them
896
00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:29.840
and then asking what they're going to do with them
897
00:58:29.860 --> 00:58:32.679
and could they speak to someone, and they are immediately
898
00:58:32.929 --> 00:58:37.190
shut out. That's the end of it right there.
899
00:58:38.659 --> 00:58:41.780
Well, again, to a disclosure, you know, I mentioned at
900
00:58:41.820 --> 00:58:47.039
the beginning of the show, I'm really disenchanted because the information,
901
00:58:47.099 --> 00:58:49.760
here's the point. So many people are so, they want
902
00:58:49.800 --> 00:58:55.159
disclosure so bad that they'll believe anything. And that is scary.
903
00:58:55.579 --> 00:58:59.099
But even the stuff that they've been dumping, I would
904
00:58:59.139 --> 00:59:04.000
say 98% of it, pardon my expression and wording here,
905
00:59:04.340 --> 00:59:04.880
is crap.
906
00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:10.519
Yes, I would agree. Yeah, it's absolutely true. And some
907
00:59:10.980 --> 00:59:14.239
of the individuals, if you've listened to some of the
908
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:19.739
congressional discussions on it, where you have a pilot or
909
00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:25.059
a military man who would go and retrieve, well, egg-shaped craft,
910
00:59:25.800 --> 00:59:30.440
or they actually saw bodies, And they said out loud,
911
00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:34.119
you're watching it on television, if you will get me
912
00:59:34.139 --> 00:59:38.130
a skiff, I will tell you what I can't say here.
913
00:59:38.650 --> 00:59:40.590
And they denied him every time.
914
00:59:41.650 --> 00:59:43.889
Well, you know, some of the stories out there that,
915
00:59:44.090 --> 00:59:46.369
you know, and I'm not going to mention the name
916
00:59:46.409 --> 00:59:49.019
of the big shows and stuff, talk about it, but
917
00:59:49.039 --> 00:59:51.039
there was a guy with a helicopter and an egg,
918
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:55.260
you know, supposed to have been a black ops helicopter pilot. Well,
919
00:59:55.280 --> 00:59:57.869
you know, when I pulled out his military records, which I,
920
00:59:58.389 --> 00:59:59.800
Have a connection with somebody.