FIVEAA Breakfast with David & Will - 21 October 2025

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Speaker 1: David Penberthy and Will Goodings five double a breakfast tin.
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Speaker 2: After Seex Good Morning, tell you and welcome to Tusdown five double a breakfast. The twenty first of October morning that will feature the Treasurer at Tom kotsinsonis a lot of question to answer about the Order to General's insights regarding how much money was spent on the failed hydrogen plant policy nearly five hundred million dollars something in the opposition of had a lot of fun with. Vincent Tarzia will also be on the program to talk about the unveiling of his new police policy. Can it stop the rot when it comes to police recruitment? He'll certainly hope so. Phil Curry after seven point thirty today where get a chat with an author from kangar Wiland has received one remarkable honor and a subject that came up at the White House the behavior of China in relation to Australian Defense Force personnel in the South China Sea. But the big the reason everyone's tuned in this morning, I think without a doubt at this particular moment is to get the latest on the Trump Albanesi White House meeting. And look, it didn't fail to give us plenty to talk about.
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Speaker 3: I got along.
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Speaker 4: I mean, that wouldn't be fair because you know, the man of my rad has a big advantage, you know that, right. But I think he's doing a really I think he's doing a really good job, and we've had a very good relationship. I don't want to compare one with the other, but I'll tell you this one is they've got a great They really have a great Prime Minister.
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Speaker 3: Was that a good sam I used it in my ads?
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Speaker 2: Wasn't exactly frosty David Penbooth the good morning to I'll use it in my ads, Alvo saying.
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Speaker 5: In the background, No, I think that Anthony Albanesi, given the amount of build up there has been to this trip, and it's been on again, off again, it's been overshadowed by world events and circumstances, and there's been.
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Speaker 2: All sorts of speculation.
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Speaker 5: Thousands of colin insch has devoted to how's Alva going to pull it off? One of the land minds he has to avoid. Well, it couldn't have gone any better as far as Anthony Albanese was concerned. Just put the jijin pin handsome boy compliment in the shade and is Albo just said, I'll be able to use this in my ads, not say if you Kevin rud.
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Speaker 2: Well, the Kevin Rudd, the elephant in the room was the Kevin Rudd in the room. And it was brought up and it was it was beautifully, beautifully awkward.
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Speaker 4: I don't know anything about him, man, And he said bad. Then maybe he'll like to apologize. I know, did an ambassador to say something bad about it? Don't tell me, I don't Where is he? Is he still working for you?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? You said bad position to president.
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Speaker 4: I don't like you either, and it probably never will.
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Speaker 2: What a magnificent moment. Does he still work for you? In Anthony Alvinezy sheepishly points directly across the table and Kevin Rudd is sitting there. Oh, it's just an extraordinary moment. Now there are Australian judas are in the room when all this was happening too. Yeah, And one of those was Mark Riley for seven years so I actually we listened to the old press conferences boding. I heard him ask a question, did Riley good morning to you? It must have been a remarkable event to be hat.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, And that was a little bit of an uncomfortable moment. I was standing directly opposite the President with Kevin Run to my left when he pointed the moment that I don't like it. I never will. Oh, well, you know there's nice Donald and there's nasty Donnald. That was nasty Donald. I'm told that there was a moment after that in the Oval Office. So they had a lunch in that room, the cabinet room. Pete Hegsas was there, of course, now Secretary of War, not Defense any longer. Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State, Jedi Vance, the Vice President. He delayed his trip later today to Israel so he could meet the prime ministers. He really laid it on Donald Trump, and he wanted to make that point that he was friends with Australia and friends with the prime minister. I think there are times where it doesn't really matter who's in charge of the countries. You know, the relationship between the nations is the important thing. The individuals are the beneficiaries of that. But this was he didn't lay it on, but Kevin, Kevin Rudd and Tom Trump apparently had a bit of a chat afterwards that Trump said, oh no, that's all right now, I forgive you. You'll be all right, put on his shoulder, and so maybe it was a bit performative on the President's part, but certainly stung.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would have been one of those moments where you wanted the ground to swallow you up, but at an affable end.
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Speaker 2: To it all the same.
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Speaker 5: Hey, Mark, we're wearing our prochi'll South Australian hats here. Our big fear was that Trump might look at Orcust and say, there's too much money, it's too ambitious, it's too long term a project. We need to cheer it up and start again. But all of the sort of defense stuff seems to have gone down pretty well with him amazingly.
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Speaker 6: And I think, you know, there were some white eyes on the trailing side of that table because I think they've got a bit more than they were expecting. So on August, obviously they were looking for a public commitment from Trump, the first one that he was there for a long haul, and he gave them more than that. He said, oh, absolutely, we can make these nuclear powered submarines. You know, I've put America back on track. We're making things, and we can make them faster and deliver them sooner than the deal that you signed under Biden, so that that sort of was met with a bit of a gasp from the Australian side of the table. So that's a full steam ahead, he said at one point on ORCUST made that point, and so you know he's in it.
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Speaker 7: For the long haul.
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Speaker 6: He says it's important as a kind of a military foil to China, although he was very kind of dubbish on China as well, which was quite interesting. He's got that meeting set up with chi Jing King at Apec in South Korea and you know, the week after next and he will be in Factice next week now, and so he was talking great positively about bilateral relations with China, and then in the next breath, of course he's talking about whacking with one hundred and fifty seven tariffs because of some of their actions.
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Speaker 2: So you know it's he.
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Speaker 6: Runs hot and cold as president. But so that was big for South Australia. Of course, there's a lot of investment in the in the ORCUSS contracts there also to South Australia. The critical mineral start big guys eight and a half billion US dollars US dollars eight and a half bill two bill upfront, so that comes through in the first six months. And there's one of the projects he's in South Australia, Nice Star, Nurstar This Nurstar, Yeah, okay, Nurstar, which is looking to recover Anthony, one of the critical minerals from poor perry tailings. And so there's an investment into that which looks like it's around one hundred and thirty five million upfront for past smelter. And yeah, so there's a bit in that as well. But you know that that that is nshive eight and a half billion dollars to billion in the first six months, and that's really capitalizing on the timing because China's export controls on its critical minerals has allowed us to get in under its guard, particularly in this big market here in America, but not just to dig it up and send it to America, but to do some of the refining in Australia as well. So there'll be a little bit of value add for Australian industries around this deal, which is something we haven't had in the pastor which just tends to dig stuff up and then ship it over to Eason. All the added value goes into our customer countries. But this one is the deal that's structured in such a way that some of the work subsequent to the extraction of the minerals is done in country in Australia and some of it done in America.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's a great account of a remarkable event.
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Speaker 5: Lucky you mate, being there for a front row seat view of all of it, replete with the PM pointing at the former PM to out him as indeed being Kevin.
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Speaker 2: Rudd in Washington outside of the White House right now for seven years. That's what a story to be covering great little detail from Mark Riley to about the Near Star smelter and the investment that's going to take place there. We will. Will that be something to ask Tom Kotz and Tonus about after eight thirty today? I wonder if that given has taken them by surprise.
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Speaker 5: The only reason Nearstar has been in the headlines at all was out of the last five years, has been about to go bus So that is a good news story. Here's a text which I think reflects the mood of others on the text line.
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Speaker 2: While I don't like.
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Speaker 5: Alba at all, I'm glad it all went well on Australia's behalf. I think it went brilliantly for Australia. And having listened to what I wrote down.
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Speaker 2: Five well four at one with little ast risk, big stories that came out of it that actually were things of substance, minerals deal orchest deal, Tariff's, defense spending, Kevin Rudd. The first four all good, mostly good, mostly good. There wasn't a lot of movement on tariffs, didn't sound like there was any wiggle room on that front. But after seven o'clock this morning, what we're gonna do is we're going to break down those five big stories that we got having listened to the entire thing this morning, and you're gonna hear what Donald Trump said, No worry about what we say, what anyone else says, you read it. You're gonna hear directly what did Donald Trump say at the minerals do, What did he say about uchust and subs here in South Austroa, What did he say about Tariff's What did he say about Australia needing to lift defense spending? And we may even just play that bit about Kevin Ruddy.
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Speaker 5: The other thing, too, is not just what happened. But what didn't happen and what didn't happen. We didn't get a lecture about the PBS. We didn't get bogged down in some side issue about our approach to Palestinian recognition versus the American slash Israeli approach. We didn't get bogged down in some lecture about the rights of social media and digital publishers to let kids like. There were so many things that people were saying, this could become a flashpoint. None of that happened.
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Speaker 2: We makes you get a Trump visit too.
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Speaker 4: And I actually have been to Australia and I did play one of your great golf courses, have great golf courses there. But I have been to Australia A truly Oh, I would in fact have been invaded to go and perhaps we could time it must be said with the president's cup that Australia as well.
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Speaker 2: Where does the Trump Trump's He is pricked up when he said to time it with the president's cup. He stopped taking questions from a moment to seek more information. He was all over it. It went well, what if politically it's problematic with the Trump with the US president getting involved with the liver as opposed to the p GA.
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Speaker 5: It probably would be one more left a grange, isn't there? Yes, if grange members thought that they had problems with access, now I major what that.
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Speaker 2: Would be like when Air Force one lands on the practice group and.
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Speaker 5: If anyone complains, they get I get pooped on, as we saw yesterday with that well video.
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Speaker 2: Twenty alfter six. Lots more to come on that and indeed other news stories over the course of the morning. Here on five Double A Breakfast, get your thoughts that you've heard your first blush out of the White House of what the state of the Australia US relationship is, the Albernezi Trump relationship. Send us through your thoughts, give us a call eight double two three double O, double oh or texas. On the Police Homecare text lines before eight zero eight thirty ninety five David.
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Speaker 1: Penberthy and Will Goodings five Double A Breakfast twenty four.
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Speaker 2: After six bit of feedback coming through on the Police Home Care text line about the Albanezi Trump White House.
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Speaker 5: Meeting, Chris says, Jeez, Trump must love Australia. If you can put up with Albo, I need to call him a great prime minister.
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Speaker 3: He did.
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Speaker 5: One here from Ark lauding Albou, saying Albo stuck to his principles, he was loyal to his ambassador and his staff. He's an example of a good leader. Samir and Dirnecourt's not buying it. He says he doesn't like Anthony, he doesn't like Kevin obviously, and he doesn't care about Australia. The only thing he loves is our minerals. If it wasn't for our minerals, he wouldn't even have the meeting. And another one here does President Trump realize what a mess Australia faces with the cost of living crisis and unacceptable energy prices?
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Speaker 2: From Peter in Marston, I don't think told him that. No, it wasn't on the briefing sheet.
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Speaker 5: Mike in Nord says, I think Kevin Rudd will be gone within two weeks. Trump sent a strong message in that performance that he doesn't value Rudd's presence. Alba needs to sacrifice his man. He's got plenty of others to pick from. Respectfully disagree. I think it's probably, it's probably, it's probably, you know, they've almost agreed to disagree.
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Speaker 2: Laughed it off. Trump got to have a pots. He's pretty magnanimous, like the way he laughed it off. Yeah, given the comments, Trump got the last word. Someone said the other day, the thing about Trump is he's.
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Speaker 5: Not He's not really an ideological politician. He's all things. He's like a bower bird in terms of his policies. Some of his views are like old school socialist type views.
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Speaker 2: Completely, Well, we're taking equity stakes in companies, setting price flaws, tariffs like this is real lefty stuff that he Bernie Sanders has been calling for. Completely. But the point is like he's someone who likes winners.
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Speaker 5: Yes, that's right, and clearly albo One albo one in a landslide he read it or not.
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Speaker 2: I wonder what to make of Barnaby Joyce.
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Speaker 8: I'm not ruling things out, not rolling things in, because since you start doing that market listeners, you start.
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Speaker 9: But they, of course the army slice and stuff there.
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Speaker 10: Would you ever consider, you know, work, We're being on a board which boards, unless it's categorically anathema to you, you don't rule without.
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Speaker 2: Barnaby Joyce. There has been flirting with a move to one nation. He says he's he says he's a political free agent, which got us thinking for the one hundred hotel about you? Does politics need a trade period? Allah the AFL? Does politics need a trade period? And what is the going rate for Barnaby Joyce? Double two three double o double O want we want to road test the concept of a political trade period? Can you come up with a trade that we think is fair for both parties? Or what would your dream blockbuster political trade b like is Barnaby Joyce going for? Do would you do Barnaby for Pauline? Straight up? If you're the Nationals? One for one? Do you have to sweeten the deal with draft pigs? I didn't even understand how.
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Speaker 5: The draft works or the trade works, the trade period? Who would you if he's if he was on my list Barnaby, I'd think long and hard about even offering him a twelve month extension?
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Speaker 2: Will the promise that he's mainly going to be playing in the s A NFL? Seriously, we got Tom Kurtzintana's coming up blade, what would you trade him for? If you were the Libs? What would you be willing to offer up from your ranks? Might be tough to get a deal done? Eight double two to three double O double O A. We want to road test this concept. Barnaby Joyce's is a free agent, keeps us to conservative for a lot of the liberals inserve Australia. What would be a fair deal? Come up with a trade for us and we'll judge it. You can set it through the police obcare text line when yourself underd I was worth a Kent Town hotel a voucher in the process. In the meantime, Tom ran in the studio with us at Augustina Mitsubishi get a two thousand and five under O a cash bonus on the Atlanta Pajero sport and you try and tease and seas apply. Why don't you ready?
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Speaker 11: Morning Will Morning David. While we're on the theme of talking AFL, you're talking draft picks.
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Speaker 2: E said.
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Speaker 11: For a few interesting headlines in the paper today. It feels a bit like b AFL is trying to, you know, put the genie back in their bottle with Bailey Smith, doesn't it.
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Speaker 7: You know this.
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Speaker 2: Warning that they've sent out to him, you know you've got to pull your head in. Where's that been a year? Well, they originally said this is a matter for Geelong, didn't they After mad Monday.
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Speaker 5: That's right, which I actually thought was a rare case where the AFL got it right, Like the AFL is trying to be sort of.
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Speaker 2: Moral policeman for the nation.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I reckon it looks like Carol and Robbi have had a bit of a winge. Well they did have a bit of a winge marathon column about sickening attack on women everywhere. Bailey Smith did mark up day apparently, and I think the AFL has gone all right. Maybe we should have been a bit harder.
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Speaker 2: I don't know Bailey Smith, though.
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Speaker 11: I'm all for players having a voice, and you know, social media is obviously a platform for a lot of them. And he's one of those, you know, modern players that likes to voice his opinion. But there's a line with respect and what he did with the he lost me with the photographer. I thought Train at Geelong Training that was that was poor.
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Speaker 2: I thought, if comes down like a ton of bricks on things that directly, you know, you might be your first offense contravening a certain policy, But patterns of unsociable behavior seem to sort of just float along beneath the surface. And Baty Smith's been living between the lines of what's technically a breach of an AFL rule and what's generally considered a breach of standards. Somehow he skates by, and that one was the opportunity for them to make a real statement. They flubbed it.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, and that way, and for that reason, it's hard to have much trust in him or all the system. So I don't know, like it's a it's a real watch from here for Bailey Smith. But I think he's skating on thin ice in the court of public opinion. I think he's I think he's lost a lot of points to the people.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we just don't want people to regard you as a jerk, do you. Yeah, exactly right. Something was there to deal with it for years. We'll just get used to it.
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Speaker 1: David Penberthy and Will Gooding's five double a Breakfast.
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Speaker 2: Twenty four minutes to seven after seven o'clock this morning. We'll break down the five key topics that we're all breaking news and the Trump Alban easy meeting. It was by and larger, terrific meeting for the Prime Minister and indeed Australia. But we'll break down the detail for you. You'll hear everything Donald Trump had to say on those key issues minerals Orcus Tariff's defense spending. Kevin right after seven o'clock this morning, we've got a Kent Town hotel about you to give away. We've been we're asking you you just before six thirty, inspired by Barnaby Joyce's declaration that he's now a free agent, what would it look like if we brought the AFL's trade period into politics. And I think there's a good one here that really captures the spirit of this. Andrew posing a who says, no, Frank Pangalo for Susan close, Frank for Susan So hang on, labor, get Frank Pangalo. Yeah, and the Libs get Susan close. But she's retiring. Well that but you maybe just need good just get five good months out of Susan Close, five months steady hand agent chaos, Frank going out. I like that. I think Andrew, you've seized upon precisely the kind of thing we're looking for. Then that's a good discussion, Rob says Barnaby. For Kevin Rudd in a future second or third and if not, pick him up in the pre season draft. The Calamarchie model, I don't know if it's fair or not, but I'd love to see how Kevin to get on in the Nationals.
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Speaker 5: Ah well, the smartest guy in the room, that'd be able to benefit from his pearls of wisdom.
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Speaker 2: That said, I actually think Barnaby as the Australian ambassador to the US and and the Trump administration is probably a perfect fit.
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Speaker 5: Mark in Wiela thinks we should send Albo to China as a delisted free agent. They've already got Kevin Andrews. Sorry, Dan Andrews. Got Kevin andrew certainly not kevinrew liberal conservative. God rest your soul, lovely man. But no, they've got Dan Andrews in there. They're working on just intra Allen as well.
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Speaker 2: Day from Alberton's got a multi part trade, he says, the Nationals give up Joyce in a future upper House seat for Roberts, Palmer gives Babbitt and gets the future up House seat. One Nation end up with Joyce and Babbitt for Roberts in a future and a future seat. Day from Albert to Dave, you get it, You just get it. Eight double two three double a double, We yourself a can't down hotel, vout you come up with a political trade for US if inspired by Barnaby Joyce's free agency. Let's get serious for a moment, because things got potentially deadly over the South China Sea. A Chinese fighter jet in something that's now if not a pattern, something that's happened on a number of occasions, release flares dangerously close to an Australian A bit of defense, get a pa poseide and one of these maritime patrol aircrafts. Notably, it wasn't damaged, no one was injured, but the potential was therefore a disaster. Jennifer Parker for the A and u's National Security College, joins us. Jennifer, good morning to.
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Speaker 12: You, good morning, thanks for having me on.
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Speaker 5: So, Jennifer, this is the backdrop of this. We think back two months ago, the Prime Minister was in China. The meeting with Jijinping went extremely well. He said he had no reason not to trust China. Does this suggest that we kind of still do?
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Speaker 2: Look, we have.
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Speaker 12: Certain significant security challenges when it comes to China. I think it's fair to say that the diplomatic and the economic relationship have stabilized. I think it's a good effort by the government. But the fact is the security relationship hasn't stabilized and it's not likely to anytime soon. And at its core, our national interests are at odds with China's. China is building up the largest military in the world and it is increasingly aggressively using it in Northeast Asia and the South trying to see and earlier this year we saw them circumnavigate Australia, which is not a problem in itself, but the Chinese napleships that did that interrupted one of our airlanes, causing forty nine aircraft to divert This challenge is only getting harder, not easier, and in fact, in Center estimate it's about a week and a half ago we saw the Senior Department Offense officials talk about how there was an increased risk of an incident and our region is supiorating. So yes, the economic and diplomatic relationships are better, but the security relationship is still incredibly challenge.
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Speaker 5: I mean, doesn't even bear thinking about what would happen next if say, of one of our jets got knocked over by one of these one of the ship's doing something like this, or one of these jets doing.
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Speaker 2: Something like this.
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Speaker 5: I mean, particularly in a world where Trump is so volatile and so hawkish towards China.
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Speaker 12: Well, he has been volatile, certainly, but in fact, in his meeting with an ft Alvenezy, I'm sure everybody wasn't up watching it out at two am this morning, he seemed to sink the China relationship with the US good. But look, it isn't. And I guess you know, when we think about what's happening in the world, we are seeing states increasingly use military force to settle the problems. We've seen it in Europe, We've seen in the Middle East. We've seen it between India and Pakistan, Thailand and Cambodia, We've seen it broadly. The second thing we're seeing is China using military force to increasingly assert what they think are their interests in the region. But that includes claiming ninety percent of South China, see, which is you know some areas about are over eight hundred miles from China and important areas for Australia's maritime trade. But you're right, one of these instants, we're very lucky that one of these incidents hasn't resulved in a more significant injury or loss of life about ADF womited men. You know, these flares that were deployed in front of a maritime patrol aircraft and not for the first time, it could be ingested by an engine, they could damage the blade, they could damage the airflow that aircraft called crash. So these are really serious incidents and on highlight too. Although the Australian government has released six of these involving ships and aircraft over the last three years, it is unlikely that there are only six and I think this is part of a wider campaign of harassment that's been going on for a decade.
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Speaker 2: Well, just on that point, Jennifer, what's the upside for China on these sorts of incidents, because we can see the dramatic downside and we're not the only ones. This is not the only incident. There've been flares in the sky. They've been our divers been targeted by a sonar that was designed to deafen them. We've had collisions between vessels from China and the Philippines in the South China Sea. But every one of these incidents could trigger a significant escalation of hostilities in the area. To what end are they being pursued. What's the upside.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, Look, I think China is increasingly clear that they don't believe that any military assets from any country should be operating in the South China SEE or Northeast Asia more broadly, so they will aggressively pursue that policy, which is why they are undertaking this. The upside is they think it shows them as a strong power that creates a deterrent effect that other countries are unlikely to interfere with. And if you think about some of China's statements about the reunification of Taiwan or the South China See being a core interest in being part of China, you can see what they're trying to achieve. And they are building up a substantial military to be prepared for the potential of conflict. And as much as look, I don't think conflict is inevitable and I don't think it's going to start tomorrow, you know, our own strategy documentation, our own warning from the government is that it is increasingly likely. And that is a significant thing for Australia to be thinking about and something we haven't really had to grapple with since World War Two. And that's why our leaders say this is our most significant strategic circumstances since World War Two, so we've I don't want to scare your listeners and think that we're going to be in a major complicent anytime soon, but I think they should be aware of the fact that the world is fundamentally changing an Australia's security environment is fundamentally changing.
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Speaker 5: Don't worry about scaring our listeners, Jennifer. We'll be back to making daft jokes about football soon enough. But where you can appreciate your top sheol for analysis. That was a fascinating chat there. Thank you, Jennifer Parker from the A and u's National Security College and camera.
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Speaker 2: Speaking of the daft comments. In the meantime, we're given out the propensity for Australian politicians in recent times to switch sides, become independence, to clear new parties, and even in Barnaby Joyce's case, to clear themselves a free agent. We're imagining what a political trade Peero the AFL might look like. Some very imaginative concepts being being brought to us on the Police Home Gare text line. David Blakeview's got one for us boarding.
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Speaker 13: Dave Good, Oh boys, if I was elbow. I'd give Tony Burke miles what any one galaha for James Patterson.
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Speaker 2: You tradeabll like a five for wonder.
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Speaker 13: Well, get rid of the whole bloody front fence and I'll have James Patterson. And another question, uh, who was who was the treasurer that just pulled the pin with that Mulligan? Yes, right, when when the hydro plant went.
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Speaker 14: To put wasn't it?
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Speaker 13: Didn't he say that the money that was here, Mike for that went back into Wyala was galling into Wyala?
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Speaker 5: Is that correct?
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Speaker 2: That's very correct.
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Speaker 13: So that's still the case. And the other day Jane Hin was on about uranium not being on the critical minerals list. Why is that a query for mister copper Man.
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Speaker 2: Peter, Yeah, yeah, now, good on you, Dave. I think, well, I don't think there's anything nefarious there. I think it's largely the critical minerals is because of it's all these rare earths and things that are making batteries and semiconductors and solar panels and so forth. But we'll ask the question, Dave. It's a it's a good point.
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Speaker 5: You make one here, no name given, but I like it I think Geelong will pick up David Spears, give him a chance of redemption. Imagine being out at some nightclub and then walk Tyson Stengele Bailey Smith and David Spears.
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Speaker 2: Watch out, this is too dark this segment. Well, what about the one referencing Harold Holt. I don't think we can read that out? Yeah, because it's too cruel guys to both parties. Harol Hold's not in the trade table, all right. I don't think I was gonna have to say this morning. You made us laugh.
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Speaker 5: And Tim in green With says wish trade keats for twelve demerit points and a driving lesson.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for that. Keep your trades coming through, droll, get down hot, tell about Junip for supper. This is gregn with this concept. But I think we need the political trade period, all right, do you reckon?
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Speaker 5: If Barnaby did get picked up, he'd get put on a Bailey Smith style behavioral contract, no more, no more face planting into into garden beds.
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Speaker 2: Maybe it might be if a minor party picked him up, they might like the proiate that kind of publicity, bit of profile. They might say more plant pots.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe if you joined the greens because they're all just winged about the end of the world.
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Speaker 2: Give it a bit of edge, a bit of personality.
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Speaker 1: Come on, David Penberthie and Will Goodings five double a breakfast.
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Speaker 2: Nine minutes to seven. Let's en to the weather bureau. Jenny Horvat is on duty for a day that well, it could be quite something. Jenny, what's the latest information telling you about the amount of rain and the storms we might get to or may not get today.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, Look, it's going to be an interesting day coming up. We're already seeing a lot of lightning across our western districts, so expecting to see some of that coming into the city. So client they start out there, we've got a bit of that patchy rain starting and we really expect to see that just stickening up as the day progresses. So weather a couple of things going on. So I've got this trough coming across, and then we've got this deep low pressure system that will be moving across waters to the south during the course of the day and getting closer to sort of central districts and the metropolitan areas we head into the evening. So initially that cloud out there, that sort of patchy rain, maybe a little bit more intense than yesterday with that, and then potentially seeing some storms developing during the course of the morning. But it says that low gets close to this evening that we're really probably expecting to see those storms coming through. They could be a bit gusty. We've got our severe Weather team monitoring for severity, so keep an eye out on warm most likely around western districts, but we couldn't rule that out here for the city. And with that, those rainfall tools could be a little bit more significant with that, so we could be seeing around thirty millimeters or so potentially with those storms, maybe a little bit more in times, but as that low sits a little bit further south, they may stay south of the city with those heavier falls. But it's just going to be a highly variable situation with that. We've got maximum temperature penciled into the twenties. But I think we'll struggle again like we did yesterday with that cloud and that rain around Currently it is a fifteen point five degrees in the city there, guys, And as we head on with that low coming and could get gusty around the Mount Lofty Ranges, especially this evening and in the early hours of tomorrow. But we should be settling down relatively quickly as we head into Wednesday. Potentially a dry day Thursday, maybe another system coming towards the end of the week. Keep up to date with the warnings on the website and that today, Jenny, I.
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Speaker 2: Think, yeah, haring it on Hope. It's significant and nice and wet. Just noting I don't think it's weather related. It might well be, but we've suddenly got a whole whack of texts from people in the Southern Expressway saying it's either to a crawl or from Ranella or just past Sheriff Road, very slow for inbound. We're going to try and get to the one of why that's the case. Maybe maybe through in the area, and you've got eyes on what the cause of all that is. Give us a buzz. We'd love to hear from your eight double two to three double O double ow the number in the mid tablets said to say, Paul said you can't through. Rebecca Stokes is on the line. Rebecca, it's been a stabbing at Croydon Park.
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Speaker 16: Yes, so just for two am this morning place in Paramedics were called to Hudson Avenue at Croydon Park after reports of the man having been stabbed in his chest following an altercation with another man. A fifty four year old Croydon Park man was taken to hospital for treatment and luckily his injury is only superficial. A fifty three year old Croydon Parks man was arrested and charged with aggravated assault and he'll face court in December. And we just want to reassure the community this was not a random incident. That these men are both known to each other. But yeah, quite a violent incident there at Croydon Park overnight.
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Speaker 5: Unpleasant Rebecca. Also, an alleged drunk driver has been nabbed in the CBD.
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Speaker 16: Yes, this man was allegedly under the influence of drugs when security cameras detected him driving erradically with his lights off and not responding to traffic light changes. Are on court to five this morning in Gooja Street. I've troll stopped and spoke to the driver near Victoria Square and it will be alleged that the man was under the influence of drugs and when police searched his vehicle they found drug paraphernalia. A police text revealed that the thirty six year old prospect man also had an outstanding warrant. He's been arrested and charged with driving under the influence, refused police fail and he'll face court today. He's also been issued with a drug diversion and had his car impounded for twenty eight days. So good pickups by the people monitoring the security cameras overnight.
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Speaker 5: Great stuff, Beck, Senior Constable Rebecca Stokes there from Sapol.
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Speaker 2: All right's go to Steve from Morphitt Var morning to you, Steve.
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Speaker 14: Good boys. Yeah, I've just driven down this slubble around the around the Ronella so just before the actually right on the Renello bypass there on the Southern Expressway heading found two cars have had a rear ender and it's they moved to the center of the center parkway in the center of the road pretty much no on the left hand in the on the middle of the road. Basically, yes, it's something major, but yes, the rear ender and Travis's banking up.
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Speaker 2: I just made it through there a good stuff, ste Thank you for that, mate, appreciate your account. Eight double two to three double O double is the number Simon on the police homecare text line. It's suggested for Political Trade Week, we might trade ben Hood for Lucy Hood. Could Ben get along with the hippie green city folk, Could Lucy gain support from the liberal right faction? Would be like some sort of sociological experiment. Thank you for that. Well, Benwood has a part in this next story back at its genesis. Simartan kin from Panola, one of the most beautiful towns in South of the Strate, started writing a book series, George the Farmer for children back in twenty twelve with ben Hood because Simone didn't think there was really great agricultural content for kids out there, so she started writing the series. Well, the series, now to its fourteenth iteration, has had a huge win. Kangaroo Cornfield, the fourteenth book in the series, has just been added to the United States National Agricultural Literacy Curriculum Matrix, which means four point eight million students across all fifty US states will be reading the book, written, illustrated, produced here in South Australia. Simone Kane joins us on five double a Breakfast. Simone, Congratulations, how did this come to bas.
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Speaker 16: Hi guys?
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Speaker 7: Thanks for having me.
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Speaker 17: Well, it's been a bit of an ongoing journey. I've been having chats with people in the US for a few years now, teachers, farmers and educators. And when this new book that A just written Kangary Cornfield, so it includes George going over to the US. He visits his cousin Laura. They discover a fungus in his corn in her corn crop, and they decide to map it out on the GPS. And when they map it out, George realizes that it's in the shape of the kangaroo funnily enough, and so they harvest out the crop and then they open it up for a community day and it's the Kangaroy Corn Maze and the kids and communities when all different facts and figures around corn. So this was how I sort of thought would be a good way to launch George into the US, to have him visit someone in the US and discover some sort of issue. So in all of our picture story books, basically it follows George Ruby, his wife is an agronomist, and they're two twins, and they visit it. You know, it's either a problem on their farm or their mates farms around Australia generally that they need to work together and come up with a solution for I'll tell.
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Speaker 2: You what's someone.
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Speaker 5: It's a clever idea because there's not much reliability in most children's books for kids. You know, there's creatures that are firefighters and police and teachers and chefs, but to have something that has a degree of richness about rural careers is novel.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 17: Well, kids really resonate with farming, whether they come from a farming background or not. They love animals, a lot of specially boys, love machinery, and most kids love food. They're really inquisitive about it. George's actually just a really natural way to get kids excited about education. The picture books are all really fun, but we've got a whole platform with George the Farmer that includes so the picture story books that are fun, but they have educational information through them. And then we have padic to play videos that you can find on the ABC or YouTube, and so we go out to realize farms right across Australia and we do singing and dancing with real farmers, which is really funny. We get farmers up dancing and we learn how different food and fiber is produced. In these seven minute little videos, we have music which you can find on streaming platforms. We've got our latest song and video actually that's about to come out at the end of this month. We went up to Cansas about a month or so ago and shot a new video for Cane Growlers Australia on sugarcane, so that will be out very soon. And we've got a new song called Sugarcane Train. And then we also have Paddic to play education and resources for teachers to use in the classroom which are totally free to download from our website and so that helps educate kids about where the food and fiber comes from, while the teachers can kick off on their learning outcomes of STEM. And we also do performance, so we just did the Royal Latidade show which was awesome. We had peers not long ago and tomorrow we're heading off to Hobart.
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Speaker 5: Well it's fantastic and look as we could not be proud of you. It's a big cue for you, Simon and also for Panola and great to hear. But rural communities and rural workers are getting this sort of recognition. Simoe Cane there and about the sensational news that George the farmer's busted into the US market, and we're.
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Speaker 2: Going to take a break. Five Double News is coming up on the other side of it. We break down the five big stories that came out of the Trump Amberenezy meeting. You hear Donald Trump's take on each.
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Speaker 1: Next, David Penberthy and Will Gooding's five double a breakfast.
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Speaker 3: I got along.
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Speaker 4: I've been that wouldn't be fair because you know, the man of my riend has a big advantage, you know that, right, But I think he's doing a really I think he's doing a really good job, and we've had a very good relationship. I don't want to compare one with the other, but I'll tell you this one is they've got a great They really have a great Prime Minister.
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Speaker 3: Was that a good sam I used it in my hands?
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister out of the Albernezy A pretty triumphant meeting with the US President Donald Trump. We're going to break it all down for you in just a moment. Still a couple of the program this morning. We've got to try by jury coming up this hour. Also, when were chatting with Vincent Tazia, who's dropped a significet policy with regard to repopulating SAPOL, How do we keep police, how do we attract more? Well in twenty thousand dollars, Yeah, he's got his money, talks and you know what takes the bus. And then after eight o'clock today Bobby Fleckman Deanna Williams is going to join us the seven Years Court reporter because Troy Bell's going to be sentenced, the member for Mount Gambia after at ten o'clock this morning. A big story in state politics. But let's start with federal politics. Let's start with the meeting that's been talked about for the better part of a year now. When would Anthony now begause he meet Donald Trump? What would happen, what would be on the agenda? What would we learn about the state of the relationship that has a very leak, felt fraid ever since Liberation Day when tariffs were placed on Australia and the rest of the world. Well, I think the key takeaway is the relationship is strong and we've got good news on a number of fronts. So let's have it. Let's break it down because having listened to the entire thing this morning, the key takeaways for Australia and out the Stralia, specifically the critical minerals deal that was signed off on ORCUS. We've got some clarity around Donald Trump's view on ORCUS. We've heard about the US president's approach to Tariff's defense spending, and there was a little tidbit for Kevin right as well. So let's start with the minerals deal, because this was this was signed between the two parties.
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Speaker 4: We are discussing critical minerals and rare earths and we're going to be signing an agreement that's been negotiated over a period of four or five months, and it was sort of good timing that we got it done just a time for the visit. And we worked together very much on rarers, critical minerals and lots of other things, and we've had a very good relationship.
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Speaker 3: We've been working on that for quite a while.
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Speaker 4: In about a year from now, we'll have so much critical mineral and rarers and you won't know what to do with them.
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Speaker 3: They'll be worth about two dollars.
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Speaker 2: The deal in substance amounts to a billion dollars contributed by the US and a billion dollars by the Australian government over the next six months for projects that are immediately available and ready to go, and eight point five billion dollars for a pipeline of critical mineral projects including we let with Mark Riley from seven US just after six o'clock this morning over one hundred billion dollars for Port Puri and near Star there which will we welcome us for that part of the world, so that will unlock immediate funding for South Australia.
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Speaker 5: For people like me who aren't quite across this world. Have you got a handy sort of one hundred words or less explainer as to when we hear about critical minerals and rare earths, what are we talking about?
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Speaker 2: Why are they're so important? It's a huge range of things. It's a bit of a misnomer. They're not all that rare. The problem is they are rare to find in the quantity that makes it worth digging them up. The lead time to find them is expensive, the process to dig them up is expensive. They're important for everything from making semiconductors to batteries to solar panels, a lot of things in computers and.
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Speaker 5: A lot of modern countries, some of them in countries that are a bit dodgy well and we want them in Ukraine's wartorn.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean dodgy, I mean unstable. Australia is stable. The vast majority are in China. Yeah, okay, And that's why they're politically problematic for the US, and that's why China locks to wield them. Is a bit of a bargaining chip. That was a good deal for Australia. Orcuss talk about people in South Australia waiting with baited breath that the US President was asked about it.
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Speaker 3: It was made a.
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Speaker 4: While ago and nobody did anything about it, and it was going too slowly.
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Speaker 3: We do actually have a lot of submarines.
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Speaker 4: We have the best submarines in the world anywhere in the world, and we're building with Anthony. We've worked on this long and hard, and we're starting that process right now and I think it's really moving along.
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Speaker 2: Very rapidly, he said. The US is going full steam ahead with Orcas a reporter asked, how can given the slow build of subs in the US, how can you guarantee that Australia are going to get them, he simply said on Oh, they're getting them. That was good news for aucas Here in South Australia. If Donald Trump's on board, this will at least continue through his term of government. And then the Democrats, obviously under Joe Biden, started this whole thing, so that that's a huge it's a huge development for August. It removes a bit of a cloud that had been over the whole thing for the last twelve months. But there was good news on that front, which takes us to the question of defense spending. We know Pete Hegseth has been traveling the globe saying you need to spend. NATO members, for example, need to spend three point five percent of GDP, and there was some suggestion there might be pressure on Australia to to up our defense spending that's currently two percent of GDP. If we had to meet that to keep our alliance with the US, that's tens of billions of dollars extra per year. The Australian government had to find well, Donald Trump didn't sound that motivated by that whole idea, Mister.
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Speaker 18: President, are you now satisfied with Australia's defense investment or do you want Australia to invest.
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Speaker 3: In LAWD Why? I was like, but they have to do what they have to do. You know, you can only do so much. I think they've been great.
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Speaker 4: They're building magnificent holding pads for the submarines. It's going to be expensive to you know, you wouldn't believe the level of complexity, right and how expensive it is.
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Speaker 3: They're building tremendous duck in.
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Speaker 4: Because they have a lot of ships and a lot of things happening, and I think their military has been very strong, very very strong.
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Speaker 5: So sort of making the point there that, OK, the defense spending as a percentage of GDP is one thing, but they're doing all this other stuff with UCUS.
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Speaker 2: I think that's precisely what he's saying, you can only do so much. I think they've been great, he says. I think we can put to bed any concern that ALE defense spending is going to used to sort of leverage our behavior in the region, or at one point in time, you might recall we were wondering were they going to say up spending to keep orcus. Yeah, with those two things are now clearly totally distinct from one another, which is great news. Tariff's not so great news. He was asked about it, but didn't sound like there was any wiggle room.
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Speaker 4: We well, the tariffs have been because you know, tariffs have been really arisen that I was able to settle almost all of the.
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Speaker 3: You know, I've settled eight wars in eight months. Not bad.
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Speaker 4: Of the eight deals, I would say because of tariffs, four or five of them were settled. It's an amazing thing, the power of tariffs in terms of our country. But tariffs have always been used against us. We never use them against anywhere else. And I will say this, Australia pays very low tariffs, very very low teriffs. In fact, Australia pays among the lowest terriffs.
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Speaker 2: So they're not off the table. Tariffs is probably the one thing that we were maybe hoping there might be some move moder but it doesn't sound like there will be, which includes then things like the steal industry. That includes things like the pharmaceutical industry that are getting swat with them, so that's not so good news. The last little bit was probably the most funny and certainly the most awkward. Just to set the scene for you, Anthony Abenezi's sitting next to Donald Trump as they're fielding questions directly across from them at the table is the Australian ambassador, Kevin Rudd, who leasy ears would have been burning know anything.
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Speaker 4: About him man, and he said bad, then maybe he'll like to apologize. I know, did an ambassador to say something bad about it? Don't tell me where is he? Is he still working for you?
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Speaker 14: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: You said bad position to president. I don't like you either. I don't and I probably never will.
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Speaker 2: Be just just extraordinary Anthony but sensing the comedy of the moment, pointing at Kevin Rud AND's like, yeah, he's right there. He's one of the old time moments.
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Speaker 5: I reckon that that I mustually just thought, well, let's just lean into this, because what's the.
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Speaker 2: Alternative totally.
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Speaker 5: Around He played it brilliantly, really but run with his pregy sort of well statements that it's no longer operative.
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Speaker 2: Could have been a hell of a lot worse though, couldn't I could have. So that was our key takeaways. Minerals orcus tariffs, defense spending, and of course Kevin Rudd. There at the end, they had a lunch at which they had a full green salad, rosemary roast chicken, a red butlet pear pavlova for dessert. As well that was on the menu, and Anthony Avneasy spending the night at the White House. He is staying at the official presidential guest residence, Blair House, which was interpreted as.
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Speaker 5: An early sign that things were going to go well. I mean, you're not going to give him a Zelenski style dressing down and then say while you're here, would you like to stay the night now that they've given you a right royal pizzling on global television and in a nice touch Millennia, Trump left a big bunch of flowers orchids, some lizzies, beautiful arrangement on his front doorstep. So there you go, nice floral bouquet.
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Speaker 2: Nice way to around out.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, probably some caunterpas on the lawn tonight and then hit the hay and uh, one of the rud's going to be there because it's only about four thirty in the afternoon in Washington.
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Speaker 2: To be a fly on the wall. Twenty half to seven, we're gonna take a break. We'll check traffic. Lots of people their thoughts coming through. You can we'd love to hear yours eight double two three double O double or Texas on the police Homecare text line coming up next on the local front. How does Vincent Tazia plan to fix the police recruiting crisis. Well, he's got a plan and he's going to tell you what it is in just a moment.
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Speaker 14: Well.
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Speaker 5: Our inability to attract and retain police officer has been one of the most challenging parts of law enforcement in this state over the last few years. It's a problem that the police Commissioner has been quite upfront about it, and with other states putting bigger incentives on the table, the leader of the opposition has decided that it's time to act. We've got Vincent Tarzia on the line now. Mister Tarzia, good morning and thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 2: Just walk us through what you've got in mind here.
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Speaker 5: Twenty grand a pop for police to join and also in some cases bonus is to stay.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, exactly. So we know that we need more cops on the beat to deter crime, and if we're elected to government, we'll do just that. And we've got a plan to better recruit retain police. So to break down the plan, So what we're offering is a twenty thousand dollars recruitment bonus and that's for experienced police officers from inter state or internationally if they come to South Australia, and this is happening with other jurisdictions where they're trying to poach our talent, but also a twenty thousand dollars incentive to attract police who have left the service the last few years. But also what's more innovative is what we want to do is pay twenty thousand dollars off university health debts of new recruits if they are having some sort of qualification in a relevant area. So we think that's going to be a massive bonus for them, but also a retention bonus to keep those experienced police in the force longer. So if you reach ten years, you get ten grand, fifteen years, fifteen grand and twenty years, and every five years afterwards you'll get twenty grand. Now, if you look at this morning, there's been a stat we know we're already hundreds of police short. You've got sovereign citizens running out there, you've got people with knives running out there. It's a tough job and so we want to attract and recruit these police officers. We've got to look after them, and so this is quite an ambitious plan. To try and retain and attract more to the beat.
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Speaker 5: So just in the context of people men and women who have left the job, because we know over the last few years there's been times where you might have a couple hundred graduates coming out of largs, but that year there's been more than that number who've left the force. So you're getting a reduced influx of junior coppers and an exodus of older ones. How do you make sure that if someone has quit in the last four years and you say here's a twenty grand character dangle in front of them, do they have to sign on for a certain amount of time if they do return.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 10: Absolutely, And today I'll be speaking to PASA, to the police union about this exact thing. We know that there is a shortfall of around two hundred officers at the moment. The government's got this plan to get another three twenty six, but like you pointed out, David, they can't even keep what they've got and so this is a massive issue. The other thing is if you look at assaults on police under the last few years, assaults and police are up forty one percent. So it's becoming a more dangerous job. Whether we like to admit it or not. And so these sorts of incentives we hope will attract but also retain people. Another key pillar the policy is also in regards to mental health. So we're putting some money on the table for better mental health support because we acknowledge and appreciate that it is a tough, challenging job.
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Speaker 2: Just before we let you go, obviously, front page the Advertiser this morning, the Order to General of finding that some well nearly five hundred million dollars has been spent on the hydrogen plant plan. The State government arguing well, yes, but that's before we sell the fifty mega what the big turbines that we purchased to recoup some of the cost. Do you buy that explanation? And do you think that's howth Australian's they're going to be protected against the size of that outlay for nothing?
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Speaker 10: No, I mean this is an extraordinary amount of money, and I mean it's we've been reviewed by the Order to General. I mean it's a massive amount of money. We haven't seen this sort of exposure since really the State bake time. So five hundred million dollars is a whole lot of wasted money and Look, the opportunity cost of that money down the drain is, you know, you could have spent this on fixing, ramping, on hospitals, on schools, on more cops on the beat. And that's the devastating part of this that they've wasted around five hundred million dollars. And our concern is we're not going to see a sense of that. They're making these grand promises about what they recruit, but it doesn't look good so far.
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Speaker 5: Vincentazia, the leader of the opposition, thanks for joining us there. I reckon a lot of police would be cheering that on and just reading the menu for the what was built as a light working lunch.
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Speaker 1: This is.
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Speaker 2: Elbow Rudd and the Donald and a cast of thousands. JD. E.
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Speaker 5: Vans was there as well. This sounds really good, and we know that the president normally likes cheeseburgers, but how's this. Three courses included what was called a full green salad as in autumn, with sunset tomatoes, white house honey dressing. I wonder if you can buy that like the old Paul Newman dressing, rosemary roast chicken with celery root, pure asparagus, collared greens, nice Southern dish there and Dijon saurce it sounds really good. And then a bit of an Aussie touch a pair Pavlover with Candy Ginger ice cream and berry compot.
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Speaker 2: Nothing like a good path to round it out, all right. Five double a Ustein Back Shortley, David.
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Speaker 1: Penberthy and Will Goodings. Five double a Breakfast.
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Speaker 2: Twenty one minutes to Phil Curry very shortly, looking forward to Phil's take on the Trump Alban easy meeting. We've broken it all down for you. We'll get phil s thoughts shortly. Also coming up before eight o'clock our trial by Jury. But first the Police Minister Blair Boyer has called into the program. Minister, good morning to you, Good morning to both of you.
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Speaker 18: I'd not want to make a comment on the announcement this morning from Vincent Pazia today. I think we're exactly five months until the twenty twenty six South Australian State election, and what we've seen in terms of this sort of first major announcement from the opposition is completely unbudgeted. We had no detail on exactly how many the intensive payments they would propose to actually provide, or what the total budget is now we can compare that to what now the male Nascus government has already delivered and locked into its twenty twenty five budget, which is a record investment in South Australia Police and a commitment to get us up to five thousand officers, so an increase of three hundred and twenty six. So I think our commitment to recruitment, which we agree is and absolutely a vital investment by any state government, is there and the money is committed in the thought estimate.
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Speaker 5: But isn't Minister your fiscal rectitude argument undone by the fact that the state's carening laws are fifty billion dollar debt and we've got the front page of today's TiSER Mali's five hundred million dollar hydro bomb. What you can't really tack them on fiscal reciture grounds. Maybe it's just time to admit that this might actually be a good idea because we have got a recruitment crisis. Other states are doing more headline grabbing things, So maybe the livers have actually plucked one out this time and maybe you should copy it.
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Speaker 18: But if they have indeed plucked it out, as you say, where's the detail? I mean today is exactly five months until the state election. It's very soon. I think what you would expect from any political party seeking to govern the state when it's making commitments like this, which no doubt will involve a large amount of taxpayers money, is to give a bit of detail, not just to go for the headline with the twenty thousand dollars figure, but actually explained how much taxpayers money will be going into actually providing those incentives. And as I said, we're comparing it to what we've already actually locked into a budget and announced. The money that we put in the twenty twenty five budget, which is a record amount for South Australia Police, is there. It is budgeted for for us to deliver that big growth up to five thousand sworn officers. We are doing, you know, the hard things, and we're not gone for the cheap headline.
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Speaker 5: Sometimes they work on the cusp of an election. Blair boy, the police minister calling in there. We're in a post fiscal rectitude as in this Stateum, we can spend almost a billion dollars on a non existent hydrogen plant.
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Speaker 2: Let's just give money to cops, spactation reckons. Well, hang on, I haven't sold the turbines. Yet maybe Vinzer could argue they're at the back page ad to the trading Post. How they go. Maybe he could say, we'll sell the turbines to pay for the police recruitment poll.
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Speaker 5: Well maybe if they come here, we just give them a turbline. There you go, Jo and say, po'll get a turbline.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's two police officers we've attracted. Phil Curry, the political leader of the Australian Financial Review, was happy not to go on am another overseas trip. He's followed the Prime Minister everywhere orbit. I reckon this one would have been pretty entertaining to be we've broken it down. We crossed to the White House just after six o'clock this boarding. Phil was watching it back in Canberrall, like the rest of us, feel good morning. What was yourmediate takeaway from the Albanezy Trump catch up.
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Speaker 7: I thought it went really really well in terms of you know, Albanezi came out of it really well. We got we got stuff out of it and the only person who got poke fun at was Kevin Rudd, so to be expected. So you know, you know, you know, when you think of all that can go, can go? Pair shape in these meetings with Trump. But I wasn't expecting it to be an angry or humiliating affair because they did it on pretty well, and as as we know, they did that big deal on critical minerals. So to be able to walk into that room with something he wants and needs and make Trump feel like a winner, that's always important. So, you know, I think that the delay in getting to meet Trump, you know where there's sort of several of boarded attempts to meet him probably paid played to our favor in the end, because you know, a few months ago, the Americans weren't really interested in any our critical minerals. But then we've seen over the last few weeks and China starting to flex its muscle as the principal supply of those to the world and threatened to cut off and southing America had this come to Jesus moment thinking act to We've got to find them from somewhere else. So I think it sort of all turned out well. You know, the Orchest review isn't going to be anything to be scared of. You know, Trump assured that Orchest will go ahead. And also the other big one was defense spending If you remember a few months ago, the US Defense Secretary said We've got to spend tens of billions more on defense to get our defense budget up, and then Trump sort of said, oh, look, just do your best, you know. So we've had time over the last few months to sort of get these arguments together on things like that, and it seems have all gone very well.
00:59:45
Speaker 2: So soil Do you reckon, because they were talking about it only a few hours ago, Do you reckon? We will see Trump in Australia seeing that.
00:59:51
Speaker 7: Oh, who knows. I mean, it's just a standard thing, Dave, when you meet it, when you meet a foreign leader, you're always extend an invitation for them to come to Australia and they do the same to you if it's if you're not in the country. So it's a it's a pro former sort of thing. I wud be surprised given Trump's busy trying to fix the Middle East and the Russia Ukraine problem and everything else. You could probably tee it up with a golf tournament. I mean, I remember last time he was in office, they were playing the President's Cup in Melbourne. That's that's played every two years. That's a that's America versus all the non European countries, a bit of the Ryder Cup, and he almost came out for that. So I reckon next time if we're host of President's couch, for your best chance. But I can't see any sort of pressing need on his calendar for him to come out here unless you know, not not not in the medium term anyhow.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you did. Yeah. Will was making the point before. He's probably not a live guy. He wouldn't. He's more of a PGA guy.
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Speaker 7: He's lived now, he's living. He was talking about when when when Lived Golf started, he was telling everyone, take the money, take the money. But Lived not doing too great at the moment. I mean Greg Norman, as you know, they're very good made of Trump's and had a lot to do with putting this whole trip together and then doing a lot of the diplomacy behind the scenes for Antony Albneazy. But Norman has been kicked out of this Live golf now. It's pretty it's pretty, it's been pretty acrimonious. He's got nothing to do with it anymore. So I for you guys, I would be a bit careful about developing the North Adelaide golf course and lives in a lot of trouble. It's losing a lot of money. It's losing half a billion dollars a year and they can't get any good players to come over to it from the PGA to us. So I'm not sure how long much longer it's going to go to be honest, but yeah, but look Trump Trump, Look Trump Trump likes live and he loves Bryce and to Shamba, who's the pinup boy for lives. So yeah, you might come out for it, get him to It's younger next year, isn't it.
01:01:45
Speaker 2: Yeah?
01:01:45
Speaker 5: Or great one more, It's one more and then North Adelaide's is meant to be ready after that.
01:01:50
Speaker 7: Well there you go. Yeah, anyway, so that's yeah, that's the goal. But you maybe become with Adelaide. He we're definitely not going to come to the cop somebody hates that.
01:01:59
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. I can't imagine you get a great reception.
01:02:04
Speaker 3: Drill, baby, drill.
01:02:06
Speaker 2: I'm for it.
01:02:09
Speaker 7: To get the thing first.
01:02:10
Speaker 2: Well that's right, yeah, get it off head the turkey as off at the past. Hey, good stuff.
01:02:15
Speaker 5: Phil Phil Courry, the National Political editor of the Australian Financial Review.
01:02:19
Speaker 2: Hey, can I just give a shout out.
01:02:21
Speaker 5: To Noel Noel and Brighton, Nolan said through three photographs that just tell a hilarious story about the way local government works. So there's there's local government roadworks underway. Well maybe I shouldn't ump to the conclusion they could be state government roadworks. Hang on, let's say, no, I think it's the council anyway. So there's roadworks on Cedar Avenue, Brighton. On one side of the road there's there's a footpath on either side. So on one side of the road there's all these witch's hats and all this diggings underway, and there's a big yellow sign that says use other footpaths.
01:02:53
Speaker 2: Right, makes sense. Then on the other side of the road, on the other footpath, there's a side that says use other footpath It's like something There is no prank, There is no third footpath. Well, this is what Noel says. He says, I have one question, is there a third other footpath? It actually does your head in looking at it, doesn't it.
01:03:15
Speaker 5: It's like it's like some sort of weird what were they called the was it the Darad Artists who do those pranks of the surrealists, right, Barry Humphreyes was into data aism before he became Les Patterson and Dave Medna, you know, they used to go into shops and buy things and then say to the man, I don't want to take it with me, I just want to buy it.
01:03:36
Speaker 2: It looks to me it's sort of like the the Adelaide local government version of Esh's Staircase. It's just it's an unsolvable conundrum that bends your mind.
01:03:46
Speaker 5: Maybe it's one of the things that's on the items for discussion when they will get together in Rio. May be we're getting some really interesting evidence about this whole trust us. It's not costing the counsel lne that we got presented with yesterday. Apparently that's not true. More work to be done on that, all right, But councils are on the hook for this.
01:04:09
Speaker 2: We've got a jury trill coming up after the break, which means there's an opportunity for you to win one hundred dollars worth of sam Tass seafoods just by being involving and remained totally anonymous. Render your verdict. I think this is a subject that irritates a lot of people. It's coming up in a moment.
01:04:26
Speaker 1: David Penberthy and Will Gooding's five Double a Breakfast.
01:04:31
Speaker 8: In the criminal justice system, all defendants are innocent until proven guilty, either by confession, plea bargain or trial by jury. This is one of those trials.
01:04:43
Speaker 2: In Australia's Aviation Watchdog has issued a reprimand for a labor candidate for the seat of Morialta, Matthew Morozzi. He was using his he was using a drone to fly over the seat, you know, provide a bit of exciting footage for the social media perhaps and so forth. Well, people who have US drones will know if you fly too high on a real estate agents who have found out this the hard way. You get a letter they it gets picked up on their radar. So karsa work out, KRZA will work out. They're all individually registered and they'll sit. You can be in big, big troubles. They know.
01:05:17
Speaker 19: They know.
01:05:18
Speaker 2: So when you buy a drone you have to register it. I think that's right. Yeah, And then they've got a little code or something that's right. They've got serial numbers or something some identify that they will pick up in any case, got us thinking about the drone drones irritated. There's a lot of drone enthusiasts, there's a lot of people who find drones irritating as opposed to cars. Are just handing out the old reprimand should they just be banned? Should drones be banned or should they be allowed to fly free? Eight double two to three double o double?
01:05:49
Speaker 19: Oh?
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Speaker 2: Is there a good argument for someone having a drone outside of you know, the don Bash region? But what if you're doing it for tourism purposes and you're doing it like a video of a you know, like a vineyard or maybe like I don't know, like the Reasling trail and Claire, if you're doing this is one of South Australia's finest new bike tracks. Looks great, that'd be good, look spectacular use of it. Ever been at the beach or a park and someone's flight cruising the drone around?
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Speaker 4: Though?
01:06:15
Speaker 5: What about some of the residents have in Joslin when we did the story about the Chinese embassy said there were drones. Yes, One day drone just came up out of the embassy and landed in someone's front yard, playing.
01:06:28
Speaker 2: The East is red. Hey, double two three double o double O, one hundred dollars worth of Sabda seafood on the line. Get it to sabtas or one hundred dollars. That'll feed you for well, probably more than a week. They're open every single day of the week for the best quality seafood and best prices. Sabtest Seafoods open seven days. Factory direct Richmond, right at rich But should we be banning drones? Are they irritating or do they have value and they should be allowed to fly free? Ban them or allow drones to be free? Eight double two to three double o double is the number.
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Speaker 5: Hey, Barry, Barry has had some trouble getting his Smeg kettle. I don't know what's going on there. We're going to sort that out, Barry Barry. It must have been a missed call or something. But normally the Smeg turnaround time. He must have won it on a feedback Friday or something. Yeah, yeah, but we will sort that out. Andrew and Seaton says, if live in the PGA, make peace. During the next three years, Trump will claim that he's ended his ninth war. I think what are the what are the eight wars ah So this Israel, Yeah, and Hamas is.
01:07:34
Speaker 2: One obviously does he count Israel ran? Well, yeah, I was thinking that he can. Yeah, that's right. So is it is basically his reworking of what who says all the time we're fighting a war on seven front? Perhaps? Yeah? Maybe? And he says the rule we brought to a conclusion, didn't he say?
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Speaker 5: You stopped one that wasn't even happening in cambody At one point he had a slip of the tonguere he said he also stopped the war between Armenia and Cambo. You never went these two countries litt alone, never having conflict, don't even They're a long way.
01:08:06
Speaker 2: But let's take some calls. Yeah, let's get this jury convened. Are we banning drones or not? During number one?
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Speaker 19: No, and I think they're just keeping I mean, I'll watch a lot of YouTube videos and they use drones and you get some unbelievable footage that you would never catch with just a normal camera walking around all right, pro.
01:08:26
Speaker 2: Joe, pro drone. That's hard to say. During number one, thank you, you're a number.
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Speaker 14: Two, good morning, good morning.
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Speaker 9: I don't think this is a straightforward one boys, because you think of the wonderful pictures we see on seven news at night with drones. But yeah, it's a very difficult one. I think we need to have tighter regulation and perhaps people who want to aspire to the politicians should obey but the rules a little bit more.
01:08:58
Speaker 2: You're a number two, Thank you. Number three, good.
01:09:00
Speaker 7: Morning, Good morning.
01:09:02
Speaker 6: Actually, jurior two is actually correct. It is a hard one because it's the tie between those who disregard the rules and those who have a professional or a casual interest in doing it correctly.
01:09:14
Speaker 2: That's a good point, So maybe it's okay for professional use. Enthusiasts get cracked down on. During number four, what do you think?
01:09:23
Speaker 9: Yeah, let him apply three.
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Speaker 6: My son uses it before fishing and it goes very well.
01:09:29
Speaker 2: So what he uses to spot fish? Does he? Yeah?
01:09:32
Speaker 6: No, no, He drops the bat out a way out in the water and then then throws his line out and he does it from the shore and he goes very well, I've never heard.
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Speaker 2: Of that before. Well, that's extraordinary. He can with it. That's excellent. During number four, then didn't know that was even possible. During number five, good morning, Oh.
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Speaker 7: God, I reckon. They definitely need to have some tighter restrictions on it.
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Speaker 18: You don't want every man in that dog having a drone flying around the place though, I think, yeah, just a commercial, not for everyone else.
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Speaker 2: Good on your number five, you number six, good morning.
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Speaker 20: Good morning guys.
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Speaker 21: I think fly three. My son has actually got one and he uses that.
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Speaker 11: He is high school to record camps, take good footage for the newsletters.
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Speaker 21: They are registered, so enjoy it with the cameras everywhere we go therese days, every hundred meters on the roads, etc. So there's no difference if you've got nothing to.
01:10:24
Speaker 2: Hide, you know what. Jurne number six. Week's a good point because they are all individually regised. It's not like anyone gets away with doing the wrong thing. No exactly they found You're instantly identified during number seven. Good morning, maybe just the last one on this good jury number seven.
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Speaker 20: Yes, I should definitely be allowed to try because a lot of people use them for their professions. They are registered and if you lighten and in a non fly zone, they are massive science that you get charged. So you should definitely allow people to use them because they will get prunished if they use them in the wrong area.
01:10:54
Speaker 2: It was all very educational. It certainly was a lot of all benefited from that. I think so too. That was excellent. Thanks for your insights, folks and your thoughts on the question of drone use. Let's give the prize to during number six. During number six, you got one hundred dollars worth of sam Test seafood coming your way, and get in and check them out seven days a week. Sam Test Seafoods Factory Direct Richmond Road at Richmond.
01:11:16
Speaker 1: David Penberthy and Will Gooding's five double a breakfast.
01:11:20
Speaker 2: Eight minutes after rate. The Premier of the State, Peter Mallenowskers, has just issued a statement with regard to the Trump Alban Easy meeting and what was revealed with regard to Orcus. If you haven't heard it thus far, he's Donald Trump on August.
01:11:34
Speaker 4: It was made a while ago and nobody did anything about it, and it was going too slowly. We do actually have a lot of submarines. We have the best submarines in the world anywhere in the world, and we're building with Anthony. We've worked on this long and hard, and we're starting that process right now and I think it's really moving along very rapidly.
01:11:51
Speaker 2: The Premier season in South Australia. Work on Orcas is proceeding full steam ahead. I welcome the strong endorsement of the Defense Pack from President Trump and members of his administration. This is undoubtedly a partnership that is in the interests of each of the three nations involved. Families considering a career for their son or daughter and defense industries can do so in the confidence this endeavor will be a lasting one and set their chine up for a lifetime of employment and opportunity. The Treasurer, Tom Goodsonitis will join us after eight thirty this morning. Lots to talk to him out of that meeting with regard to not just August, but the promise of millions of dollars for Nearestar in Port Perio as part of the critical Minerals deal. So we'll talk about that. We'll talk about the hydrogen plant five hundred million dollars and how much does a wind turbine cost and where do you sell it? Not a turbine. Interesting keeps saying wind turbine, but these big turbines cost. We're going to get into all that with the treasure Also update today, not an update, but some finality with regard to the Troy Bell trial. The sentencing takes place today after ten o'clock. Doana Williams for seven years will be in court and Deal will join us to give us a preview in about ten minutes time.
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Speaker 5: Well, a second South Australian female prisoner has now come forward. There's an amazing piece in The Australian Today about a woman at the Port Augusta Prison who for six months was forced to share a cell with christ Richards. Christ Richards now Christ Richards, as you well know, for most of her life was a man, Leslie Richards. She has a string of convictions for very serious violent crimes which for some mystifying reason have been suppressed. The story broke last week about another woman who says that she was the victim of a serious sexual assault, that she was raped by CHRISTA Richards, who as a trans woman, has been given the right by our prison authorities to reside in an all female jail. Well, the cases attracting a lot of attention, even international intention now involving our next guest, Helen Joyce, who is a gender critical activist, a best selling author, former journalist with the Economist, and she was here in Adelaide this weekend to the Gender Healthcare Summit, which was one of the biggest conferences ever held in this country around trend's issues.
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Speaker 2: We have Helen on the line now.
01:14:17
Speaker 5: Helen, good morning and great to be chatting to you, and thanks for your time. I'm not sure if you're aware, but our premier described this is a niche issue. What do you think of that assessment of this issue?
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Speaker 22: I mean, it's not really a niche issue, is it for a woman who's attacked or for the other women in the place they can't get out of? Woman can't leave a jail, can she? And if it's a niche issue, then why are they doing this at all? If it doesn't matter whether a man who says he's a woman is held in a women's jail or a men's jail, and hold him in a men's jail, Like why is it a niche issue when people complain, but not a niche issue when you're deciding to do it in the first place.
01:14:53
Speaker 5: It does saym that in this case at all of the attention is going to the to Christa Richards and not much thought being given to the women who find themselves in this situation where they have to coexist.
01:15:04
Speaker 22: With her exactly, and the prison wasn't set up. Women do not have women's prisons in order that women can perform femininity or validate their identities. Women are held separately in prison for human rights reasons. It's actually internationally recognized that if you hold men and women together in prisons, that women are going to be subjected to more and more serious crimes. Women cannot be kept faith in that sort of car through environment if there are any men around. So it's absolutely a human rights abuse against women prisoners. And it's not just because they're putting men who've already committed crimes against women in those prisons. It's the presence of any man, any male prisoner those prisons.
01:15:47
Speaker 5: Do you think it's a bit of potentially a bit of a tryan to mean, we've seen that case over the border in Victoria where I know you currently on a speaking tour over there in Melbourne. But that Victorian case where this blake's done absolutely unspeakable things against his own daughter and it's now blightedly decided that maybe he's of the female persuasion. But do you think it creates a president whereby you might just see guys who have done terrible things who are trying to go down this path to perhaps reside in an environment where a they might feel more safe, but b actually be in a position where they can where they can pray on female inmates.
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Speaker 22: I mean, this is how loopholes work. When you open a loophole, it's not your average person or your most moral person who goes through it. It's people who like taking advantage of loopholes. So if you set up a regime where saying that you're a woman is going to get you moved to a women's prison, you know the sort of person that we would expect to do that. And you're also again you're talking about people who we know have already committed crimes, people who are already willing to do antisocial things. And some people in the prison environment they act in a way that is to cause trouble. They want to cause trouble for the whole system with people who are running the prison and so on. Of course, something to see people say this, I mean, why would they not? Like how naive does somebody have to be to think they wouldn't.
01:17:15
Speaker 5: In your book Trends when Ideology meets Reality, you so talk about the sort of squeamishness that ostensibly progressive people have when they're confronted with some of these situations, like you know, a trends woman being just dumped into a female jail. I think the premier's comment about this being.
01:17:37
Speaker 2: A niche issue.
01:17:39
Speaker 5: Do you think that there's this sort of sense that people just rather not talk about it, even though there does seem to be a lot of mainstream head shaking at the least and despair at its most extreme about the fact that these things are happening.
01:17:55
Speaker 22: Yeah, because, I mean this happened. This was done because people thought it was progressive thing to do. And people heard the word trans woman, they saw that meant some sort of woman, And obviously if somebody's a sort of woman, then you'd worry about putting them in a men's prison. Actually, trans woman just means man who says he's a woman. It's not a type of woman at all. There's no reason to hold that person anywhere except to men's prison. If it's someone who has made some medical changes or someone who presents themselves in a more feminine manner, then yes, you're going to have to be careful with that person in the men's prison. But there are lots of men you have to be careful with in men's prisons. I mean, you know a young man, a gay man, person who was a policeman, you know a person who's comed the sex crime. All of these people have to be looked after very carefully in men's prisons. It's not exceptional. Of course, we can do this. So you do this, and you move the person, and then you've created a problem that you now don't want to recognize because you did it because you thought you were being progressive. So you have to say that you were wrong, that it wasn't progressive, or else you have to actually say that sometimes progressive ideas aren't right, and it's easier to blame the people. It's easier to shoot the messenger.
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Speaker 5: M And just finally, Hill and I mentioned the fact that you were here along with a lot of other high profile speakers, a lot of them psychiatrists adolescent psychiatrists, at the gender Healthcare summit.
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Speaker 2: Here in Adelaide.
01:19:13
Speaker 5: Can you tell us a little bit about that event and the fact that it even happened. Do you think it shows that there's a bit of a groundswell of people professional people now raising questions about the manner in which these issues are being handled.
01:19:27
Speaker 22: Absolutely, I thought it was an excellent, excellent event, really great speakers, fantastic energy in the room, and I know the feedback from the attendees, Like the organizers shared with me that they had to look at the feedback and it was extremely positive. A lot of people are very worried about this issue. They know that children are being harmed, they know that women's rights are being destroyed, and they know that gay people's rights are being destroyed too, But if you say anything about it, you get told that you're a bigot, that you must be you know, far right or whatever. So a lot of people are staying silent about it, and events like this break through that help people to find each other normalized talking about it and show also show politicians and policymakers that they've gone down the wrong path here and the people do care that this is going to have consequences for them down the line electurally if they don't start listening and stop dismissing people by saying things like that.
01:20:18
Speaker 5: Beniche, issue author and gender critical activist Helen Joyce, thanks so much for joining us this morning.
01:20:27
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01:22:16
Speaker 1: David Penberthy and Will Goodings five double a breakfast.
01:22:20
Speaker 2: Twenty three minutes after right. We're expecting a little bit later this morning to hear and you will hear it here on five double A. A verdict. We're not a verdict, but the sentencing in the case of Troy Bell, the Member for Mountain Gambia who has been up on fraud charges down at Williams has been covering this for seven years. You'll see her report from six o'clock tonight. As world D understand, you're already at the court, so just walk us through the range of outcomes that we might hear today.
01:22:50
Speaker 21: Good morning, boys, Yes, I'm already here at the District Court. The doors are about to open in about ten minutes time. We're expecting Troy Bell here today sometime. I expect he'll be early, as he has been for other appearances. He faces significant jail time this morning.
01:23:06
Speaker 12: Boys.
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Speaker 21: The twenty counts of board ten years per count and for five pounts of dishonesty dealings with documents fifteen years her accounts as unlikely you'll get that amount for each count. But he is really facing a significant jail time this morning.
01:23:26
Speaker 5: So he pleaded not guilty, didn't Indiana.
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Speaker 21: He pleaded not guilty and went to trial seven years after he was arrested back in twenty seventeen. The trial lasted for three months. It was a pretty pretty harrowing trial, as you can imagine for the jurors. Three months of pretty labor intensive numbers that they had to crunch through. They eventually came back with twenty five guilty verdicts against him. A significant day for state politics today and for Troy Bell.
01:24:04
Speaker 2: And there's not going to be a by election, though it is there because.
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Speaker 21: He stood down. He stood down from Parliament and the government decided it was too costly up to a million dollars would have cost for a by election, and decided it was too costly to send voters to the polls so close to a state election. So that will happen or after the election.
01:24:27
Speaker 2: There's any statement been made d about avenues for appeal or likelihood of that.
01:24:31
Speaker 21: He already has been through the appeal process in the Supreme Court and the Court of Appeal will there is another avenue and it's unclear at the stage if he's going to go that way, and it is the High Court. We haven't heard yet whether that is a possibility, but that is also an option that's open to him.
01:24:52
Speaker 2: He'd needs deep pockets for that.
01:24:54
Speaker 21: Absolutely, and he's already he's already forked out a significant amount of money. He's already said he's obviously facing bankruptcies, lost his house, he had the toll on him professionally and personally.
01:25:05
Speaker 2: Has been huge, which is probably, I imagine, is something that will be taking into account when you hear sentencing remarks today day.
01:25:14
Speaker 21: That'll be part of mitigating circumstances for their judge to consider when he does sentence to a Bell. The fact that he has been a politician, long standing politician, a member found Mount Gambia, a man, a married man with children. All of those things are taken into account. But he did find the jury did find him guilty on those twenties five pounds a significant penalty. Is it expected to be handed down today.
01:25:42
Speaker 5: Well, it's going to be a massive story, Deanna. We look forward to hearing all about it in the seven years tonight. Dana Williams there, court reporter for Channel seven. So apparently his office manager, Troy Bill's office manager, a guy called Travis Fatchen. He's announced that he is going to run as an independent for the seat of Mount Gambia at the state election in March. He might benefit from the fact that with Bell now having gone Fatchen has been effectively acting as the de facto local member, and that might be something that he puts in his campaign material in a seat that I mean, you know there's almost a de facto secessionist movement in the southeast, Yes, dating back to the great Renfrey Curgeon Van de Garis back in the day, best name ever by an Australian politician, but that sense of otherness, it's always favored independence.
01:26:34
Speaker 2: It's still.
01:26:37
Speaker 5: A volatile place politically, so who knows does an automatically revert to the Libs.
01:26:42
Speaker 2: I think if the recent political history has taught us anything, once something goes in dependent, it's hard to win it back.
01:26:48
Speaker 5: Well, the other thing, Bell won the seat, he held the sets all hanging over his head a lot. You know, you're accused of swindling a charity funded by your constituents and your vote goes Yeah, you'd imagine an independent with no with no such speculation hanging over the head would would certainly be a strong chance.
01:27:09
Speaker 2: But that'll be it's Fraser Elis as.
01:27:14
Speaker 5: Well rejudging him. But you know it doesn't doesn't seem to be. This is why the task is said.
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Speaker 2: If it was Vincentazi and numerically because he's fighting the Labor Party in metro seats and he's fighting in independence in an outer era in in regional areas, and the arguments that need to be made are often very very different. All Right, We're gonna take a break. Five double news is coming up in a moment the Treasurer of South Australia, Tom Kurz and Tina's David.
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Speaker 1: Penberthy and Will Goodings.
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Speaker 2: Five double a breakfast, five minutes to Ni grats to Erica from Paradise. Who's in the drawder when the tickets, flights and accommodation to see the Royal and Brew Military tattoo in Brisbane? Or thanks to Spark Travel, plan your next to get away with the experts at Spark Travel, where every journey begins with a friendly conversation. Erica the first to call through having heard the Royal Military band. A few texts coming through following our chatter The Treasurer, Yeah, a lot of feedback.
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Speaker 5: One here from Daniel and glynd could say, have a referendum on nuclear waste storage and uranium processing. If the parties were taken out of this, I think the population would vote for it.
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Speaker 2: One here I love it.
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Speaker 5: How when it comes to storing nuclear waste, the minister says that people don't want it, so we can't force it on them.
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Speaker 2: We need them on side.
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Speaker 5: Well, I wish politicians had this attitude when it comes to other stupid decisions they make in our BAP, like green energy or immigration. They don't mind forcing things at us and telling us that we need it. We need a clear majority when the population doesn't want it.
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Speaker 2: One here.
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Speaker 5: Saying what about the wages paid the workers at the hydrogen plant? They were just standing around because they were planning to scrap it, especially the CEO. Bill says Kots and Tomas talks well, but when are my electricity prices coming down? One says never mind lack of critical minerals, one about Australia's fuel storage capacity of only twenty eight days, and one here coots is so much better under Malley. He's positive and delivers simplified explanations from Jackie. And another one simply says, can you get this bloke off the air?
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Speaker 2: Appreciate for everyone, Appreciate all your tech. Zero before zero eight thirty ninety five Police Homecare text line, Let's have a look at the fuel situation on this Tuesday morning. Better to be a member with RAA road service. Cheapest is at the United Main nor Throw Baraka. It's really good dollar fifty two point five if you don't mind otherwise, you can get it for under a dollar fifty five in a few places, the shell Otrpterhead dollar fifty four point nine and the Shadow Park. The mobile at Shadow Park dollar fifty four point five. The cheapest diesel is the mobile at Hampstead Roads, sorry Hampstead Gardens. That one's at a dollar sixty five point five. Is the Golden Bachelor on your channel? What's the Golden Bachelor?
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Speaker 5: It's the Bachelor with an old guy from Canada whose wife is a widow and his father of three is called Bear, but they've tweaked it this year, so Bear is trying to find true love later in life. And all of the women on the program are in their fifties and sixties right, some of them look like they're playing with Confederate money. In fact, I think the show could be sponsored by Silicon Australia. A few women got lips that look a little bit like they've just been hauled in off the.
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Speaker 2: Not all original parts. That's right.
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Speaker 4: But I.
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Speaker 2: Started watching it last night. I thought, I can actually see myself getting interested in this wow dating show. David.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I've never watched one before, but Kate and I were watching it and I thought, you know, when you get to the life story part, I mean, there's some shocking conduct as well. There's some nymphomaniac woman who's running around on horseback wearing a white bikini. It's like, come on, dear, you're right.
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Speaker 2: People in their fifties have a story to tell as opposed to a dating show from the unlucky in love twenty one year old. Yeah, it's dead worked out for me. I wonder how the kids feel. Yeah, that's a good point. Now, kids, I got to tell you something. I'm going on a dating show. You impepably left the revelation of your dating show interest until ninety seconds to nine o'clock, so I think it couldn't get further analysis. But folks, or call in tomorrow if you've become if you've become a weekly addicted to the Golden patchel Us, we want to hear your views on it tomorrow on the program that and so much more Tomorrow morning from six o'clock will catch You.
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Speaker 1: Then David Penberthie and Will Goodings five double A breakfast