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Welcome to finding emo, our podcast
where we discussed our favorite albums from the
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early odds and thereabouts. I am
Blake Fisher, I'm joined by Chris Mounier
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and Kyle Simmons, and we love
that you are here listening to the podcast.
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We appreciate it. We appreciate you. We would also appreciate it if
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you gave us five star reviews.
We asked for this every time. We're
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going to keep asking for it because
we hope that you can. You know,
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just find it in your heart.
That's all we want for our collective
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birthdays. Christmas has July for us, labor days, Hannaka's, whatever the
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holidays are. Just give us reviews. That's all going to and tell your
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friends about it. Father's day coming
up. Father's Day is coming up.
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Yeah, I knowed, I bet, and I bet you didn't think of
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me. Did you listener? If
I if I will. That's if I
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was dying and I had to make
a wish, it would be that five
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stars before a five star review.
I don't want to. It wouldn't be.
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I wouldn't make a selfish wish and
asked for more life. I would
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make a selfless wish and wish for
five stars. Would you be mad,
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Kyle, if we continue the podcast
and just got someone else to fill your
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spot and just called Him Kyle?
Yeah, well, we could even find
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another kyle, probably. It's a
pretty common name. The requirements born on
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May fourth is to be born on
mayporth one thousand nine hundred and eighty two
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and have the name Kyle. In
going to be into, you know,
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two thousand emo music, you'll replace
me in no time. Randy Travis was
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born on May fourth. If you're
listening, Randy Randall, your next up.
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What if Randy Travis was a huge
emo Fan? He's got to be.
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It could happen. Cool. Yeah, I feel like country's kind of
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the original. lyrically it's more emo
than anything else. was like he's like,
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you know, happen right, man. I love Wyl and Jenny's but
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just nothing. It's my heart pumping
like a little good MCR man. That's
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are Drummond. That Mikey way can
play the bass. May I love it,
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man. I said that would come
my bangs down when no one else
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is around. Well, I mean
garth might be. I mean he was
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the original emo. HAIRCAST is the
Christ Games thing, right. So that's
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not too far off. That might
actually be the case. Anyway, we're
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glad you're here today. We were
talking about the two thousand and three debut
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album from Copeland, titled Beneath Medicine
Tree, and I'm the person that did
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the research, of which there's very
little information. This might be. I
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know we've talked about which albums have
the least amount of infrasion. This one
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is even less than the ones,
I think, that we've done before.
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Because what's your group? Not a
huge label. Copeland not a huge band.
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I mean they were eventually signed a
Sony Columbia, but only for like
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a year and I don't think it
went great, obviously, if they left
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like a year later. And so
not a lot of information about this.
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And there's just not you know,
believe it or not, when bands are
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starting out and they're young and they're
doing their debut album, they often don't
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have documentary crews following them around or
anything or to document the process. So
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here's what we know about it.
It was released March twenty five, two
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thousand and three, easy enough to
find the date it was released. Congratulations
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the Afrom engined militia group, label
and producers Matt Goldman and Copeland. So
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obviously Aaron Marsh does the singer of
Copeland Song and all that stuff, does
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production stuff as well. So that's
that's kind of the technical details. I
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really know nothing else about it other
than it was recorded in Florida, where
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they're from, and don't have any
idea of budget. I literally don't know
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how many records this souls. I
don't know any of that. I can't
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find it. I didn't do too
hard of a deep dive. Just giving
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you full disclosure. I've been traveling
this week. I did not get to
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dive as much as I wanted to, but I couldn't find anything when I
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looked. So we're going to basically
talk about a few fun facts and then
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we'll just get into the track by
track kind of stuff, if that works
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for you guys. So a couple
fun facts. I guess the title track
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did not make it on the album. I always wondered that. Beneath medicine
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treats. Yeah, yeah, but
it became your love as a fast song
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which ended up on in motion.
So it kind of got rewritten and redone
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and that song ends up on in
motion, which is one of my favorite
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songs on their second record. So
anyway, that's where the title kind of
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come from. Obviously, lot of
of sort of background of the of the
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album, whicheveryone's sort of knew at
the time was his grandma had died and
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his girlfriend was in the hospital.
So this is obviously very much about grief
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and loss and pain and and and
specifically medical style things. Hence the medicine
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tree stuff and whatnot, because obviously, if your girlfriend's in the hospital and
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your grandma dies in a short period
of time, hospitals are kind of a
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thing and so you know. So
that's not necessarily a fun fact, I
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guess a actually that of the think
about the fact that I called that a
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fun fact. I'm sorry, hilarious
little ditty about this album. Yeah,
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that's not a fun fact at all, I think, though, in the
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grand scheme of things, that's probably
why I think the lyrics have a little
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bit more weight than a lot of
albums for run there, because that's some
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real stuff going on. That's not
whine and about your girlfriend. That's like,
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Hey, my girlfriends in the hospital. That's a big problem. Vulturecom
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named when Paula sparks one of the
deepest and riches examinations of grief for that
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style of music is in the they
put it in their top one hundred emo
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songs. Wow, I mean it
was number ninety seven, but still I'd
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say that's high praise. Yeah,
it's good to make the top one hundred
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night albums, but songs, that's
a pretty good thing. I and this
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is more of a sort of fun
thing that I learned when I saw them
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live one time. So I'd seen
them on the kind of final tour and
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then they that was like two thousand
eight or whatever, a two, a
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thousand and nine, and then they
came back, got back to there in
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like two thousand and fourteen, did
another album and they toured with paramore and
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she told a story on stage about
how the very first show they ever played
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was opening for Copeland at the end
in Nashville, and so it's just kind
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of a cool, kind of full
circle thing to then be having like Copeland
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Open for paramore on there. That
was when their self titled Album was out
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and so, I mean they were
huge food like that was like they're big
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time of the time. So I
just thought that was a very cool thing
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that bands do for each other where
it's like, Hey, we like you
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because we've been friends for a long
time. We played a very first show
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with you and here we are taking
you out on tour again. And they
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had like string players and stuff with
them, which I've always kind of been
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like again, if Copeland can tour
string players, I don't understand why bands
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like cold play and others just they're
like, oh, we're just going to
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play the pro tools tracks. It
really infuriates me because I am going to
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guess that coldplay has more money than
Copeland. Just a guess, shot in
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the dark, right. Yeah,
I haven't seen those like synked up light
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bracelets any copeland shows. Those costs
a lot of money, I think,
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and so their whole string budget on
bracelet. That's they really did. So
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yeah, that's always generally accepted accounting
practice. It just really like when people
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take a string player on the road
or a sax player or whatever, it
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is like I think it's a cool
yeah, so more people should do that.
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So that's really the extent of what
I know about this album. And
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so let's just talk about kind of
first impressions. It's good to you first,
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Kyle. First Impressions of Beneath Medicine. Try and Copelin isn't as a
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general and this is actually one of
the first debut albums we've done in a
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while. Well, I am super
glad you went to me first, because
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I didn't share this with you guys
last time. My first impression I'm giving
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to you guys today. What,
like you hadn't listened to this album.
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Never listen to this album, and
what and so not. Here's you just
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not tell us that. When we
decided to do this album, I did
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not tell you that. Okay,
and and and I thought, you know
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what, this could be a cool
experiment, because we always ask whether it
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holds up and things like that.
Now I have to say obviously, just
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because of like comps and things like
that, and you feared songs I absolutely
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like. Honestly, I've heard probably
three quarters of the album. But,
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like, I never sense, I'd
never listen to it as the album.
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I'd never listened to it in order. And even like Paul sparks or when
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when Paul sparks is at right.
Yeah, because we did that one on
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the and I had parsis. I
had heard it, you know, prior
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to then. So, like,
I know some of these songs it's just
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I don't know this album at all. So okay. Well, I'm actually
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really excited about that because I feel
like you guys got a little bit of
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that when we did the mxpx record, because I hadn't really the same thing.
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I'd heard some of these songs,
I never really listened the album one,
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the huge mxpxpan. So I think
it's nice and it's also proves anyone
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listening how little we talked to each
other about what we're going to talk about,
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because we literally didn't know that Kyle
had never listened this album before.
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We're professional folks. Okay, so
let's let's hear your first impression as someone
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who very freshly has listened to this
and didn't start eighteen years ago like Chris
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and I. Okay, so interesting
plot twist. I did not get to
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hear this album in two thousand and
three, but I cannot remove all of
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the music I experienced in two thousand
and three from my memory. So like,
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while listening to this, I still
went to a place, you know
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what I mean, like it's so
similar, it's still bookmarked in time and
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and and like I'll get into it
on track by track, because there are
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specific tracks that I'm like, Oh
man, this reminds me so much of
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this, and then I would go
and look and it's like, nope,
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this came first. I just didn't
know. I think this came first,
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and a also well, and I
didn't I knew that Copeland influenced a lot
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of people and I knew that there
were plenty of Copeland songs that I really
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liked. But I also told you, told you guys on one of the
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other podcasts that the worst interaction I've
ever had with another human being was with
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Aaron Marsh of Copeland. And it's
by worst interaction you mean it was all
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you it followers, one hundred percent. It was me being terrible, and
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the weirdest part was like I was
not I I was only trying to be
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nice and like have fun with him, and none of my humor was hitting
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at all. It was coming across
as mean and right for those listening,
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I know you don't know me,
but I hope that you know that I
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don't pride myself in meanness. So, like, man, it was just
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terrible. As a matter of fact, I reached out to my buddy who,
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I told you guys, witnessed it
and tried to get a comment from
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him and Jason was like, man, if I told you, if I
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gave you a comment, it wouldn't
be it wouldn't be authentic. But he
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remembered it being bad. So so
I don't think I've made it worse in
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my memory. The worst part in
my memory is me saying yeah, you
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know, I'm just so excited to
hear the new record live, and he's
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like thanks, man, we worked
really hard and I don't know why I
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couldn't shut my freaking mouth and I
had to say no, I mean reliant
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Kay's new record and that was it. So Aaron, if you're listening,
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I'm really sorry. I think really
nice music. I really really good music.
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I think. I think in another
life we were mortal enemies. It
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could have happened. I mean really, yeah, it's true. I've never
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heard anyone and described kyle as being
mean or even having a like a like
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a bad day. We're like,
oh, it's probably just a bad day.
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Well, I was just and I
think you know. So he's just
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mess little frustrator, a literal dude
and also, in fairness, he'd never
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met me. The very first thing
I said I was like hey, man
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watch the paint job on our van
and if anyone knows what kind of Van
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I was rocking, it was ugly. That's awful. First of all,
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it was like c foam green kind
of, wasn't it? When it was
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up with blinds in the windows,
and he looked at me as if like
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he was like yeah, man,
of course, you know like to I'm
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kidding him. I don't know why
this. I'm so bad at this right
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now. So anyway, there's a
long way for me to say. My
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first impression was still kind of interesting
because I felt like I was whisked back
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to a time in a place,
and so I don't feel like I got
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to listen to it with new ears
exactly, because these ears have already been
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worn out by this kind of music. But it was still it was still
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fun to listen to it as an
album for the first time and and I
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enjoy it well. I'm excited to
go track my track and get to some
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of the questions at the end too, because I think that's really it's it's
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hard to always judge. It's like, am I being sentimental about this record,
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or does it really hold up?
Is it like you know, that's
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like a tricky I feel like that's
hard to judge sometimes. Well, Chris,
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what was what's yours? Do you
have a do you have a first
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impression of the band and or the
album from way back when I got I
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got a pretty sweet first impression because
we had just met one of the owners
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of militia group that day and we
were in Los Angeles and we didn't have
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a place to stay, and he's
like, Hey, why do'd you guys
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stay? My apartment? Be Happy
to have you guys over. Did you
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didn't humiliate him? Now? I'm
so sorry, Guy. Let's just be
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like. This story just ends with
me being an admirable house guest, saying
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saying wonderful farm facts the roar.
Yeah, yeah, cleaned up our sleeping
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bags real nice as a real crap
hole. Now I'm just kidding. No,
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Dude. So he gave he gave
us like Lee, like ten or
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twenty CDs from militia group and was
like hey, you guys can have these
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CDs, and we I was just
trying to find something to listen to to
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go to sleep, because I usually
list to music. Before podcasts were invented,
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I list of music before to go
to sleep. So I saw the
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artwork. If if you're not familiar
to ar work on this album in the
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original album is really cool. There
was like this thin don't you wouldn't call
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it rice paper, but it's almost
like it's like a wedding invitation. Yeah,
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clear with embossing on it kind of
thing. Yeah, so it still
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really stuck out to me and I
was like, Oh, I'll pop it
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in and of course the opening track, which we're going to go over in
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a second, it's just kind of
blew me away by how interesting it was
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and so yeah, let's do it
all night, and totally totally loved it.
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Funny Story, though, Kyle,
that kind of comes around to being
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a jackass, if I may,
though, is the next day this gentleman
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who was a ourt owner of the
militia group was writing in our van because
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there was a girl who was touring
with us and like helping us with merchant
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stuff, and it was he who
CD cases this and she goes, Oh,
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it's mine, and he opens it
up and there's like five burnt CDs
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from his record label, which was
not he goes, this is killing us,
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this is just killing us, and
we were all just like, oh
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my God, it's so awkward.
Why? Why? Why? At least
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it wasn't one of the band members
I had. I had a very firm
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no burning CDs policy, you know. I didn't want to steal music from
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the very craft that I was trying
to make it in. So I guess
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in a way kind of did something
funny. Yeah, that's not your thing.
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The same as me. Try,
but it is funny. It is
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it is interesting. So you were
into it, you. Yeah, it
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was. It was interesting because,
like, I was in a heavier music
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and you know, militia group,
like they have ruffio and acceptance. Acceptance
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isn't like a hard band, but
they have some harder song specially the earlier
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stuff. So I was not expecting
something so I don't know, breezy,
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mellow. Yeah, I'm mellow.
Yeah. So I liked it, though
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I feel like militia group was the
like the more like hey, we're going
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to more than drive through and vagrant
and and some of the other ones.
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They had more of that kind of
in their repertoire than I feel like that
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like a slightly chiller although this this
album has a lot of like like eighth
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note kick drum stuff go, and
I mean it's like it's pretty rocky actually.
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It's just like it's like the tones
are not maybe they're like the coultart
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like that super heavy guitar tones.
It's like that's really where they're dialing it
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back in the sounds. But you
know, as far as what's going on
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on the guitars and drums and stuff
like that, it's like it's pretty upbeaten
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stuff, especially compared to some of
their other stuff. But yeah, I
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feel like militia was kind of the
home for some of that stuff, like
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the little more chill. chills not
the right word either. It's just like
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a little more laid back. Yeah, stuff, and this was definitely one
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of them. I think I got
it from you, Chris. I mean
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I assume, since you came back
with the ced he's, I might have,
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but I know I had a physical
copy the CD, so I know
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I had to buy it at some
point. I must have, but I
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mean I think I did hear it
first from you, that I actually don't
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remember hearing it for the first time. I essentially weird because I really like
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Copeland. I really like this album. My memory, my first memory of
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like talking about this band is like
I can vaguely picture where we were,
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if somewhere over by the blue note
I think, and it was like some
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party outside and me and Chase Kirby
were just like for an hour talking about
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like because we both discovered copeland and
just loved it, and so that's like
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my first memory of remember like talking
about them and really liking it, but
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I don't remember actually the first time
hearing it or listening to it. We're
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just kind of funny. Think is
normally most these albums. I'm like,
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Oh, I remember I bought it
at this store and I listened to it
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and I can remember like a time
and place kind of thing, but for
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some reason this one I cannot remember
exactly. I just have that memory of
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chat with chase about it and mostly
being super impressed by his falsetto. I
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just like I loved his his voice. I thought it was so good.
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So that's kind of my first impression. Nothing, nothing too crazy, and
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I do just remember liking the like
the feel of the whole album and how
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the first like six tracks were just
kind of like this seamless, like kind
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of perfect thing. I really like
the whole record, but I just feel
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like those first six tracks are really
like a really great little thing, kind
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of like I feel like California's kind
of like the peak of that, that
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first six tracks, and then we
kind of do this for the rest of
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it, just kind of like flattened
out, and like in a good way,
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not in a bad way at all, just kind of like, you
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know, going from the brightest,
which is like super chill, especially for
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an opening track, and kind of
building up to that Paul Sparks in California
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duo of songs in the middle of
the record. Yeah, I just really
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liked it. Things really good.
So shall we just jump into track by
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track? Then? Let's do it. Let's do it. I will speaking
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of the brightest. That's the first
track we're going to do. Here we
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go a little fun. All Right, Chris, let's go to you first.
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I feel like I'm gonna go to
Chris First, more not because I
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don't like you, Kyle, I'm
just interested in like the old versus the
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new. Yeah, I did it. So anyway, Chris, what's your
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your thoughts on the brightest? God, what a freaking kick butt way to
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kick off a record. I just
I don't know, man. I thought,
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I think that starting off with a
ballad like that as a pretty brave
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way to just kick off a record, just him in the piano. I
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can tell you that it just completely
blew me away the first time I heard
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it. I was not a that's
just not what you expected to hear in
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your CD player at the time.
Like a first track is usually usually open
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with a Banger, even like,
even if you're a breezy, mellow band
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like you kick it off with something
a little more upbeat and it just it
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introduces you into to his voice very
quickly and you're like, Oh, this
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guy can sing and is a very
pretty song. And I was dating a
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girl who was deployed at the time, like so she was all the way
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across the ocean, very far away, and I I just remembers the kind
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of like Oh, I wish I
could play the song for her right now.
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It's weird to think there was no
way to get that music to her.
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Now you just email a tail or
whatever, like here's the spotify link
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message. Yeah, I just go
right here list the song. I love
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it. So, yeah, it
was. I thought it was absolutely,
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absolutely incredible. Very could just feel
the talent oozing out of the speakers,
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from them, from the moment I
heard it, or headphones in this case.
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Yeah, I think it was like
the I hadn't, no one had
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like opened an album like this.
I mean even the even the albums we've
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talked about that had like chiller openings, clarity, for example, or you
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know, stuff like that. It's
like the purpose of that of table for
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glasses is like it built into a
thing. You know, this is literally
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like piano, organ and Guitar and
vocals and there's like no click. It's
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like they're all kind of feeling it
and I'd like it's just like it was
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unlike anything that I was hearing in
two thousand and three. Everything else was.
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First of all, and even with
militia group, we joke all the
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time, Chris, about how they
just like, no matter what, they
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stacked the first two tracks on the
record to just be like holy cow like,
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and they were always the like.
It was always like a single,
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generally one of them. It was
always like like just really a one to
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punch. They were just that's what
they did really well, I feel like,
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and I don't know, this was
obviously pretty this is early in militia
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group too, and a very yeah, yeah, it's like one of the
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first things they released and and I
just feel like it's such a it's such
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a contrast what was happening at the
time. For sure, it's like it's
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the slowest song on the record.
It's not singlish at all. There's nothing
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about it that's like but it feels
like it would be in the middle of
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every other record we do on this
podcast. And they were like, nope,
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we're coming out the gates. This
is who we are. We've got
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piano, we're not afraid to be
vulnerable and it really sets the tone for
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the whole and I only say it
all the time, but like it's the
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right track for the beginning of it
because it really does kind of set the
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rest of it up really well.
But so, yeah, I love it.
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It's beautiful and I you're right,
immensely talented would be a great way
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to describe what's going on here.
I love the arrangement of it. Kyle,
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what are your thoughts on brightest as
an opening track? Had you heard
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brightest? It was that one of
the three fourth of the record you'd heard?
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So I don't think I had heard
brightest. Okay, and so what's
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funny about this is I really like
the song. It's really nice. Voice
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sounds wonderful. I love the line. What is it? And she said
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that I was the brightest little fireflyer
in her jar. But what's a trip
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is? I cannot because I heard
this after. My first initial thought when
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I heard this was like man,
this sounds so much. This vibe is
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we're so far away by May on
the Everglow, but the everglow didn't come
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out until two thousand and five.
Yep, two years later. And so
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it's a trip for me because,
and also, let me just say this,
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that's not meant to be an insult
to May or Copeland. Both songs
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rule, but it's it is trippy
because you're you know, you're talking about
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how this was. You know,
they were kind of pioneers of of this
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sound or even taking a stab at
starting off slow. And Yeah, I
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mean it was two years later before
may did it, and that I remember
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loving the crap out of that song. This has very strong may vibes for
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me and I agree and I'm I
think they're say that all both very similar.
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Yeah, that I mean it's not
in a not in a ripping each
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other. Oh not just both have
that. Like I feel like they're not
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afraid to like genre jump, not
like in a crazy way it's like they
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were starting to wrap in the middle
of these records or something like that,
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but I would be unexpected when you're
comfortable doing whatever works for the song,
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like I feel like they're really good
about male put a flute solo on something
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like if that's what the song requires. I think also what a lot of
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on this record where it reminds me
of May. It's a little bit of
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what you were doing earlier when you
were trying to describe how they still rock,
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but it's like different. Yeah,
that is may to a tea.
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I mean like they rock, but
it's it's not heavy and it's not fast,
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and a lot of this album is
that for me. I agree with
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that. And their first album came
out one month before this one did,
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February twenty five, two thousand and
three. So so yeah, really May
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and this record were two of the
ones that really kind of went I was
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like, Oh, this is kind
of opening me up to a different yet
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of thing. Like I you're right, they rock still, but they are
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not. It's not like they have
to be that all the time. I
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can tell that there are conversations.
It's like me and should we put this
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piano ballad without a click and three
instruments on it at the opening of the
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record? And I feel like yeah, you go it, yeah, why
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not? I mean it works,
you know. Yes, so I'm glad
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they did it. So I am
super glad they did it. Yes,
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I've I think it's a good,
good move. Shall we go on?
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So you feel like it's a strong
move to Kyle for the Oh, yeah,
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I mean I thought, I mean
when I like hearing the record in
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its entirety for the first time,
I was I say that it reminded me
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of that may song. But I
love, I love that band. For
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anybody listening that doesn't know this,
I named my daughter. Her middle name
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is may a mae, after the
band. So like that is high praise
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for me. And so, like
I was instantly in like Oh, this
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is gonna be good, and it
was a great it's a great opener.
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So agreed. Well, let's go
to the second track. Testing the strong
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ONESTA bust you out of years now. I've never seen your this time,
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never see your spirit. He'll do
Chris Nay's doing air guitar, so he
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gets to go first US how you
win this game. Oh, yeah,
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that's on testing the strong ones.
Bridge is so awesome. The weezer vibes
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that. You already said something about
the eighth notes, right, eight note
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kick stuff. Yeah, very much
a weezer thing. That I love that
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they did, and so many bands
from this time like did that and I
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never caught it because, like,
if it didn't sound like Weezer, I
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but if you played this kind of
music for somebody who like was kind of
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like just outside the Oh it's good, kind of like got a weezer thing
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going on, I get a yeah, you know, like yeah, I
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guess it does. The eighth don't
build up those kind of a weezer thing.
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This sounds cool. Love the Big
Jangly opening guitars. I don't think
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you can really emphasize enough how hard
it is for a rock musician to play
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songs at this tempo. I don't
know if you guys agree with me here,
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hard tempo, to play well well
and not rush exactly. I mean
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that's the specific part. Yeah,
and they do it really, really well.
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The drums sound perfect, though,
very nice, even though it's that
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just that weird tempo where you just
just want to like start jumping at it,
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but you can't. And then once
again we've got the the whole Song
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Christian knowing up to some cool endings. The something they do very well.
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It's good song. Yeah, I
love I mean, first of all it's
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six eight, but it doesn't feel
like six eight because of that eighth note
408
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kick. It's kind of weird.
If you isolated the drums on this,
409
00:28:19.769 --> 00:28:23.569
you would think the song was great. Like I don't know if you'd done
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done Dune, done, done Dune, don't done. Yeah, I mean
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00:28:26.009 --> 00:28:30.000
like pick up metal, think something
else was happening right. Yeah, and
412
00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:33.200
then, but it's cool how it
goes from that like super chill roads and
413
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:37.480
him doing that falsetto thing where it's
just like him on an island, like
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once again not covering anything up,
and then everything comes in with those big
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guitars and and I love it.
I mean I just I love that they
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are willing to go like up and
down and jump all around as far as
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the the feel of like Oh yeah, we're it makes it super dynamic because
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obviously if you just did that kick
drum the whole time, you get old
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about a minute into the song and
the kick drum. The drummer's leg would
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fall off to few if you had
to play that the eighth notes for the
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whole time, as Chris will attest
having to play those weezer songs in our
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weezercover band when he has to hang
out on the especially if we extend that
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last part of the sweater song.
Yeah, then I do the then I
424
00:29:18.410 --> 00:29:22.730
do the slowdown for effect, but
it's really just because my glutes are screaming.
425
00:29:23.210 --> 00:29:26.759
Exactly. So, kylew what your
thoughts on testing strong ones track to
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really like this track it it rocks
so hard. And also hats off to
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my arch nemesis Aaron Marsh, who
like when you can show I don't know
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00:29:47.150 --> 00:29:52.470
that I'm ever more impressed by a
vocalist then when they can show range without
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volume change. Oh, that is
a really good point. Come and like
430
00:29:57.180 --> 00:30:03.059
he's not. He the like he's
singing at this seems like he's not pushing,
431
00:30:03.099 --> 00:30:07.170
he's not singing at a different volume, but his range is crazy on
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00:30:07.289 --> 00:30:11.650
this song. So, yeah,
I mean I his lyrics are great.
433
00:30:11.650 --> 00:30:15.809
I mean, I really, I
mean I like a lot of his stuff,
434
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but I just love the line about
like and I'll tell you I'm sorry
435
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that I can't take this pain away
from you and I put it on my
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00:30:21.049 --> 00:30:22.039
own body if I knew how to. I mean, I just I think
437
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:26.039
that's a great like how you feel
totally helpless when someone you know is in,
438
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:30.000
yeah, the hospital or stick or
whatever, and you can do absolutely
439
00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:34.519
nothing about it. You know that
helplessness is. I feel like he captured
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00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:38.029
that really well in I mean,
I assume that's what's going on and,
441
00:30:38.150 --> 00:30:42.349
like I said, it clearly this
is about either his grandma or his or
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00:30:42.430 --> 00:30:45.269
his girlfriend. I don't know which
one. The album kind of, I
443
00:30:45.349 --> 00:30:49.779
think, is mixing and matching those
a little bit, but I just think
444
00:30:49.819 --> 00:30:53.059
it's a great cinement. I think
most people have been there too, so
445
00:30:53.140 --> 00:30:56.940
it's super relatable and it's, way
I said, it's got a bigger depth
446
00:30:57.099 --> 00:31:02.740
to it than poor me, girls
don't like me or something like that.
447
00:31:02.859 --> 00:31:06.849
It's like I'm still mad, like
Oh, this is like a real situation.
448
00:31:06.930 --> 00:31:08.009
So I just feel like the weight
of that, but without it being
449
00:31:08.130 --> 00:31:12.450
it doesn't feel like a sad song
that it's the opposite of that, though,
450
00:31:12.529 --> 00:31:15.450
like when the line that you were
just talking about, like it's the
451
00:31:15.690 --> 00:31:19.759
opposite of selfishness, right, like
it's selflessness, like when you're when you
452
00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:22.359
want to take someone's pain away.
That's a pretty beautiful thing. So,
453
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:26.920
Oh yeah, I love it.
I think. I think he continues to
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00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:30.119
even get better after this album,
but I mean it's pretty pretty mature.
455
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:33.309
I don't know how old is he
at this point? I mean I'm to
456
00:31:33.349 --> 00:31:37.269
look that up when we play the
next track. Probably six, nearly old
457
00:31:37.309 --> 00:31:40.750
enough? Yeah, probably not very
okay, well, let's go to track
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three, priceless. So proud of
you. It's good and keep you from
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00:31:52.660 --> 00:32:15.160
me. I feel like this is
the first song that we get to hear
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kind of his background vocal coolness that
he does, like where there's like kind
461
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:22.559
of part swimming on top of each
other, and I'm sure that like what
462
00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:24.880
he's like. Hold on, okay, give me another pass, and I'm
463
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:28.480
sure the producer go like what are
you gonna do? And then by the
464
00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:32.670
time it all gets together it's really
cool. But I've just never been able
465
00:32:32.710 --> 00:32:36.789
to think of stuff like that,
and so I was really impressed by people
466
00:32:36.829 --> 00:32:38.549
that have oh well, this part's
going to do this and I'm going to
467
00:32:38.630 --> 00:32:42.230
sing on top of that, and
like I can think of a harmony that
468
00:32:42.430 --> 00:32:46.019
is exactly in line with the the
lead Fart. That's all I'm good for.
469
00:32:46.299 --> 00:32:49.859
Yeah, Mr Producer, what if
I did this? What if I
470
00:32:49.900 --> 00:32:53.380
do that but a third above it? Like not very creative, honestly,
471
00:32:54.099 --> 00:32:58.609
and I just feel like he's really
good at those kind of like parts going
472
00:32:58.769 --> 00:33:00.170
together and stuff, and so that's
one thing I like about this. But,
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00:33:00.569 --> 00:33:05.690
Kyle, let's go to you on
priceless. Yep, I I dig
474
00:33:05.730 --> 00:33:10.130
it. I hadn't heard this song
before and I really like the dual vocal,
475
00:33:12.369 --> 00:33:20.480
and I mean it. It sounds
like wonderful email to me. I
476
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:23.559
agree and I like that we are. Like I said, there seemed to
477
00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:27.710
be some thematic kind of things too. It's like we've got firefly, dragonfly,
478
00:33:27.789 --> 00:33:30.349
I don't know, they're just like
I feel like he's stitching stuff together
479
00:33:30.509 --> 00:33:32.430
and not just I don't think it's
all coincidence. I feel like it's it
480
00:33:32.509 --> 00:33:36.069
really does feel like a whole album. By the way, he was twenty
481
00:33:36.190 --> 00:33:38.549
seven, so it was a little
older. Okay, I'm he's he's born
482
00:33:38.670 --> 00:33:42.259
seventy five, so he's a little
older than us, not by a lot,
483
00:33:42.339 --> 00:33:44.859
but old man. Back then we
would have been like, how old
484
00:33:44.859 --> 00:33:49.779
are you? Yeah, you know, my God, Chris, Chris,
485
00:33:49.859 --> 00:33:54.299
what are your thoughts on priceless?
The simile and the churs always bothered me
486
00:33:54.339 --> 00:33:57.809
a little. I'm just being honest. Sorry. Which one? Oh,
487
00:33:58.049 --> 00:34:01.210
like, because I need you,
like the dragonflies wing. John, similes
488
00:34:01.250 --> 00:34:07.089
are hard, the Lazy Man's literary
device. I'm not that great of a
489
00:34:07.170 --> 00:34:08.889
songwriter. I here. I am
like, you know, throwing stones.
490
00:34:08.929 --> 00:34:12.159
I just it just, I don't
know. It was just like it's so
491
00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:17.000
in your face. Still Great.
It's those great and I always thought it
492
00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:23.789
was rain, not wind. Like
the dragonsflies, wings need the wind.
493
00:34:23.869 --> 00:34:27.349
Is what he says. I always
started rain and I thought he's doing like
494
00:34:27.429 --> 00:34:31.110
a reverse thing, because I'm pretty
sure dragonflies, if they get rained on
495
00:34:31.269 --> 00:34:34.989
like, it messes up their wings. So I have studied doing like like,
496
00:34:35.230 --> 00:34:37.670
like Oh, I don't need you, which I thought was weird because
497
00:34:37.670 --> 00:34:38.940
it didn't really fit the theme of
the album, which is all about like
498
00:34:39.099 --> 00:34:42.500
really needing somebody. Well, it
turns out I'm wrong. That's the whole
499
00:34:42.539 --> 00:34:45.579
point. Like it was wind,
and that makes perfect sense. Wings.
500
00:34:45.659 --> 00:34:49.219
It does sound like he's playing saying
rain, doesn't it? Hey, yeah,
501
00:34:49.579 --> 00:34:52.449
so I have to ask, because
you're saying it sounds like he says
502
00:34:52.489 --> 00:34:57.449
rain. With what you just said, Chris, I have to know right
503
00:34:57.570 --> 00:35:02.409
now how you feel about everything.
But the girl's Song, like the deserts,
504
00:35:02.489 --> 00:35:07.239
Miss The rain. Oh well,
that doesn't count because that's also an
505
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:13.880
America song. America is allowed to
do it. And so then by ipso
506
00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:16.199
facto, you know, Kevin Bacon, five layers, whatever. I mean,
507
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:21.909
they're allowed to that. To me
that's the quintessential simile. Maybe that's
508
00:35:21.949 --> 00:35:24.230
peak simile and no one's laws simil
anymore. Yeah, it's been done.
509
00:35:24.750 --> 00:35:28.550
That's really what I'm saying, like
Similey's have been done. It's a been
510
00:35:28.590 --> 00:35:32.750
done, man, I think you're
right. I'm Chris. I similes are
511
00:35:32.909 --> 00:35:38.099
hard, which is why I love
that formal hard. It's about mixing like.
512
00:35:38.300 --> 00:35:45.980
They're like like, like like,
but specifically in lyrics, because it's
513
00:35:45.139 --> 00:35:52.690
it's like it's such a you hear
the way. Then that dirty jarty.
514
00:35:52.769 --> 00:35:57.130
Wait, wait, was that dirty
Johnny Carson? How that was unintentional.
515
00:35:57.449 --> 00:36:05.000
That was unintentional dirty interrupt that the
start, are they? Yes, you
516
00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:08.559
a man, by the way,
that said. You are correct, stir.
517
00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:13.679
It's terrible. It's been a long
time since I watch Johnny Carson,
518
00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:17.590
you hear the word like and you
just know what's coming. There's just no
519
00:36:17.789 --> 00:36:22.550
way to to whereas you know,
you can be a little more clever with
520
00:36:22.630 --> 00:36:28.789
a metaphor, and I maybe I
think that's the thing that that that ruins
521
00:36:28.989 --> 00:36:31.550
most similies, because you just hear
the word like and you're already going,
522
00:36:31.710 --> 00:36:37.460
m okay, what's He gonna say? So I feel you on that,
523
00:36:37.579 --> 00:36:38.659
I think, but I feel that
way about a lot of them. I'm
524
00:36:38.699 --> 00:36:44.739
trying, I have to go through
and find the similes I like in songs.
525
00:36:45.219 --> 00:36:49.809
That might be a fun playlist on
spotify for me to try start compiling
526
00:36:50.690 --> 00:36:57.170
is similes I really enjoy in lyrics. That might be. It might because
527
00:36:57.170 --> 00:36:59.730
I do. I catch myself doing
the same thing, Chris. I'll hear
528
00:36:59.730 --> 00:37:04.119
a song I just feel like that
was a little because they're either way too
529
00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:07.719
on the nose or their way too
cheesy. Sometimes. Yep, and that
530
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:09.960
one, you know, it doesn't
bother me a lot, but I can
531
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:14.800
see where you're coming from. So
let's go outro. Sorry, I do
532
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:16.429
want to say the outray on the
song, with a falsetto and everything.
533
00:37:16.869 --> 00:37:22.269
Oh Yeah, against it end spectacularly
here. The falsetto and the multiple vocals
534
00:37:22.550 --> 00:37:27.909
and yeah, and I think you
got a definitely copeland has a drummer that
535
00:37:28.030 --> 00:37:30.739
like knows exactly what a song means. So it's like, Oh, yeah,
536
00:37:30.739 --> 00:37:37.019
we're going eighth note kicks on the
track before or testing the Strang yeah,
537
00:37:37.099 --> 00:37:39.579
track before, and then no,
here we're going to sit back and
538
00:37:39.739 --> 00:37:43.980
really be like hanging out on that
ride. And you're right, this tempo
539
00:37:44.179 --> 00:37:47.170
is like you know, we it's
funny. When we were that age,
540
00:37:47.489 --> 00:37:50.969
by that age I mean like when
we were in a band in two thousand
541
00:37:50.969 --> 00:37:53.130
and three, it was all we
could do to not rush everything. I
542
00:37:53.409 --> 00:37:58.639
mean I remember like the Click track
was was holding us back from going too
543
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:02.000
fast, and then at some point
we got old enough that like we started
544
00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:08.119
like the click trap was helping us
stay up with the the the speed of
545
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:12.840
the music that we were supposed to
play. So there's definitely a youth thing
546
00:38:12.989 --> 00:38:16.469
that that maybe goes into youth and
being white and just not being able to
547
00:38:16.630 --> 00:38:21.630
hang on the on the tempo for
well enough without a cow bill our ears.
548
00:38:22.070 --> 00:38:23.909
Yeah, we just don't have we
just don't have that built in into
549
00:38:24.789 --> 00:38:29.539
in to us, I guess.
So let's go to win our sorry,
550
00:38:29.579 --> 00:39:05.880
take care. Here we go,
the Kyle. Let's go to you first.
551
00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:07.360
Take care. I feel like this
is a was this one you heard
552
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:12.829
before? I think. So okay, and what do you think of it
553
00:39:12.989 --> 00:39:16.110
now either way? Well, dude, I think. I think there's a
554
00:39:16.309 --> 00:39:22.510
ton of cool vocal stuff going on
on that song. Yes, and again,
555
00:39:22.630 --> 00:39:24.900
like you know, he's maybe pushing
it on that one part over,
556
00:39:25.099 --> 00:39:30.500
but like it's just amazing to me
that he's his voice is so is so
557
00:39:30.739 --> 00:39:35.059
like I don't even know what to
call it, but it's almost like he's
558
00:39:35.139 --> 00:39:42.329
just chill and it sounds so good
and I feel like when I'm singing easily,
559
00:39:42.570 --> 00:39:45.570
I guess is what I'll call it, is when I sound the suckiest,
560
00:39:45.769 --> 00:39:51.650
like I sound Oh, I sound
bored, or you and like anybody
561
00:39:51.730 --> 00:39:54.199
that singing in that range to me
typically sounds bored. They need they lack
562
00:39:54.320 --> 00:40:01.639
energy, and he doesn't. His
voice sounds really nice. All the stuff
563
00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:09.630
that you just played definitely super cool
parts. I feel like maybe I'm wrong,
564
00:40:09.630 --> 00:40:15.630
but I feel like I hear like
intentional timing in perfections going on a
565
00:40:15.670 --> 00:40:19.110
little bit. Well, I like
he's kind of riffing on that lap,
566
00:40:19.230 --> 00:40:21.659
that part I played. Is that
what that is? Well, I mean
567
00:40:21.820 --> 00:40:22.980
it to me. It's like a
pop song. It's like if a Christi
568
00:40:23.059 --> 00:40:27.820
Aguila on the last chorus of her
song, it's like there's the vocal line
569
00:40:27.860 --> 00:40:30.099
that's kind of doubled underneath and then
she's riffing on top of it or whatever.
570
00:40:30.340 --> 00:40:32.980
And I feel like he's kind of
doing that. It's like there's that
571
00:40:34.019 --> 00:40:37.010
vocal under that's doing the choruses he
did previously, but then he's kind of
572
00:40:37.050 --> 00:40:40.489
soaring on top of it and it
doesn't have to be perfect because it's kind
573
00:40:40.489 --> 00:40:45.489
of like I said, it's kind
of riffing on what's already there. Sounds
574
00:40:45.690 --> 00:40:49.090
good. Yeah, and I feel
like he's got such clarity to like so
575
00:40:49.210 --> 00:40:51.840
many vocals I like. And then
we've talked about on this podcast. I
576
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:54.440
go what I like. I like
sometimes the grit and people's vocals just because
577
00:40:54.480 --> 00:41:00.840
you can hear that you know Kenny
from starting lines a great example of someone
578
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:04.710
I just I really like when he
gets a little growley. But what I
579
00:41:04.789 --> 00:41:07.429
love about Aaron Marsh is that like
he's just clean man his vocals. Like
580
00:41:07.590 --> 00:41:12.230
he gets soaring high where you can
tell he's kind of belting and it's crystal
581
00:41:12.389 --> 00:41:15.110
clear and when he does falsetto's crystal
clear and when he's singing and in a
582
00:41:15.190 --> 00:41:21.139
lower register, it just always sounds
really clean. It just sounds really nice
583
00:41:21.179 --> 00:41:24.380
and pretty and I would like never
put distortion on his vocals, like never,
584
00:41:25.380 --> 00:41:30.579
because it would just be a disservice
to how pretty it is. I
585
00:41:30.699 --> 00:41:32.409
mean that's a I don't know if
that's a compliment. I don't know if
586
00:41:32.409 --> 00:41:37.010
people like to hear that their voice
is pretty. Is a nice one,
587
00:41:37.050 --> 00:41:39.010
but his is a very pretty voice
and I really like it. Real quick
588
00:41:39.090 --> 00:41:43.530
I'd like to clarify because you just
kind of flew right past it. When
589
00:41:43.570 --> 00:41:45.849
you mentioned the starting line. You
were talking about Kenny. Of Us only
590
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:52.719
m you always have really that him
at his service. Yes, yeah,
591
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:59.760
I'm sorry that I didn't pronounced his
last name corregly or at all. Chris,
592
00:41:59.880 --> 00:42:00.750
what are you think? You know, he's just like Mama me,
593
00:42:01.750 --> 00:42:07.190
Mama me, Chris. What what
are your thoughts on? Take care.
594
00:42:08.309 --> 00:42:12.190
You guys already kind of said it. It's an up it's about as an
595
00:42:12.190 --> 00:42:17.099
upbeat jam as you get on this
record and it is spectacular. Man.
596
00:42:17.179 --> 00:42:22.860
I this. I feel like in
another life and another parallel universe is could
597
00:42:22.900 --> 00:42:25.980
have been like a hit single like
that. Sounds cheesy saying that, but
598
00:42:27.019 --> 00:42:30.730
it's like a really good, so
great song and it's like it was like
599
00:42:30.809 --> 00:42:32.489
too good for this world. Like
when you hear when you hear it on
600
00:42:32.570 --> 00:42:37.130
this like little indie label, it's
like why you would? This is really
601
00:42:37.250 --> 00:42:43.250
good like it. So yeah,
I'm also torn on I sometimes I love
602
00:42:43.449 --> 00:42:46.000
when people start a chorus. Are
Start the course, start the song with
603
00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:49.679
the chorus. I love it in
this case because it's got that great little
604
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:52.440
intro in the courses in and some
people are like no, you're wasting you
605
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:57.000
know you're you're blowing it right at
the beginning. There's nothing else for someone
606
00:42:57.039 --> 00:42:59.429
to be excited about for the rest
of the song. But it doesn't feel
607
00:42:59.429 --> 00:43:01.150
like that on this song. Like
I feel like that's a they opened with
608
00:43:01.190 --> 00:43:05.949
the chorus. It works really well
and by that last one he's doing all
609
00:43:05.989 --> 00:43:09.389
those other vocal things and so it
never gets boring because they're never really doing
610
00:43:09.469 --> 00:43:15.139
the same thing twice. But it's
a really simple song and it's really beautiful
611
00:43:15.260 --> 00:43:17.539
and so sweet song. I agree. Never it never occurred to me that
612
00:43:17.579 --> 00:43:21.619
the song started off with the course
I like that. I did not realize
613
00:43:21.619 --> 00:43:23.699
its you just said it. It's
so it obviously works. It didn't stick
614
00:43:23.739 --> 00:43:29.289
out to me. It's anything weird. Yeah, I love its good work.
615
00:43:29.889 --> 00:44:04.789
Well, let's go to win.
Paula sparks. I don't feel like
616
00:44:04.869 --> 00:44:08.469
Paula is a super popular name for
a pop song. I've just I don't
617
00:44:08.469 --> 00:44:10.940
know if I've ever heard another song
with Paula in it. Have you?
618
00:44:12.900 --> 00:44:15.420
There's IT? Not, but this
is a great this is definitely the Best
619
00:44:15.500 --> 00:44:21.019
Paula Song ever. There's no way
there's a better one. I was thinking
620
00:44:21.139 --> 00:44:23.289
that what I lived to to it. I was like that is a unique
621
00:44:23.369 --> 00:44:28.130
name for a song, yes,
or for a name in a song.
622
00:44:28.610 --> 00:44:31.690
Glad you said that. That's that's
funny. So I wonder, I mean,
623
00:44:31.690 --> 00:44:36.650
does anyone know if Paula is,
I assume the girlfriend or the grandma,
624
00:44:36.769 --> 00:44:39.800
but I would assume some grandma.
I was so grandma. Yeah,
625
00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:45.599
but I don't know, I mean
and so I would assume grandma at that
626
00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:47.280
point, but hard to say.
But yeah, I mean this song is
627
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:51.079
really good. Kyle, what are
you? What are your thoughts on when
628
00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:54.670
Paul Sparks? So obviously I had
heard this song before. Yeah, it's
629
00:44:54.710 --> 00:45:00.630
a great song, I mean great
falsetto. I love the Groove, the
630
00:45:00.710 --> 00:45:06.190
little base groove going on in the
clip that you played. Yeah, it
631
00:45:06.550 --> 00:45:10.219
rocks. And also, just to
kind of go back to me getting to
632
00:45:10.300 --> 00:45:14.420
listen to this album for the first
time, I don't think that like,
633
00:45:14.820 --> 00:45:16.619
I don't think it's like a grand
departure, but it's not the same,
634
00:45:16.699 --> 00:45:20.780
quite the same vibe as the song
that comes before it. So it's a
635
00:45:20.820 --> 00:45:25.409
nice little change. So when I
also feel like we're like to me,
636
00:45:25.610 --> 00:45:30.610
these next two tracks are kind of
inseverable. You really have to play them
637
00:45:30.690 --> 00:45:32.769
together. I mean I just I
if you if I play when Paula sparks
638
00:45:32.809 --> 00:45:37.920
without California, just you know,
especially since the intro to it is at
639
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:42.360
the end of this track. Technically, I just I kind of left wanting.
640
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:46.199
It's like not listening to the loan
in and stay by Jackson Brown.
641
00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:50.309
I feel like you just you can't
only listen to one half of that thing.
642
00:45:50.590 --> 00:45:54.590
You've got to do both. It's
and and so I like that.
643
00:45:55.030 --> 00:46:00.110
I like that. It was it
feels like it was a planned thing and,
644
00:46:00.269 --> 00:46:04.150
as I mentioned on our Valentine's Day
episode, I asked my wife to
645
00:46:04.230 --> 00:46:07.139
marry me to this song. So
I like it quite a bit. Obviously
646
00:46:07.980 --> 00:46:13.460
place proofs, both of us did. Chris, what are your thoughts on
647
00:46:13.619 --> 00:46:21.449
when Paula sparks the sweeping atmospheric vocals
in the versus are just so cool and
648
00:46:21.570 --> 00:46:24.010
I like what they did the kind
of chill version of I like the chill
649
00:46:24.050 --> 00:46:28.730
version of the first course and then
gets you excited about the things to come
650
00:46:29.610 --> 00:46:30.849
and then the kind of call an
answer thing in the course. Is just
651
00:46:30.929 --> 00:46:34.840
a really well put together song.
It's kind of got a kick butt like
652
00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:37.880
almost journey as Guitar Solo in the
Middle Too. That just fits with it
653
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:42.000
perfect. I thought about that,
but I'll do like yeah, and like
654
00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:45.400
you said that the way the outro
is about to fade into the next song
655
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:50.710
is it's just very well put together. Yeah, I mean I those two
656
00:46:50.750 --> 00:46:55.469
get the the kind of that swimming, you know, vibrado guitar that starts
657
00:46:55.510 --> 00:47:00.469
it and then that other kind of
lead line comes in Bunow and I just
658
00:47:00.550 --> 00:47:02.940
think it's really great and it's got
a great intro that groove on. It's
659
00:47:02.980 --> 00:47:08.019
fantastic. Again, the drummer just
doing exactly what needs to happen here and
660
00:47:08.300 --> 00:47:13.500
on the space perfect. Yeah,
we letting, letting the guitars filled the
661
00:47:13.500 --> 00:47:16.250
space, like leaving the space for
the rhythm section. Yeah, great,
662
00:47:16.250 --> 00:47:22.329
it's just it's they did a really, really, really good job. So
663
00:47:22.090 --> 00:47:28.250
let's go to the aorementioned California that
this track goes into, and we'll play
664
00:47:28.289 --> 00:48:07.940
that. Here we go. This
one is really I feel like you can't
665
00:48:07.980 --> 00:48:10.780
appreciate if you've not listened to this
record or if you've not listened to in
666
00:48:10.820 --> 00:48:15.849
a while or something like that.
You really my thirty second clip is worthless
667
00:48:15.010 --> 00:48:19.769
for this song, I feel like, because you really need to listen to
668
00:48:19.969 --> 00:48:22.730
when Paul sparks back to back the
California, because that guitar line in the
669
00:48:22.769 --> 00:48:28.559
rocky part is the intro on whatever
that is, melotron or whatever it is
670
00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:31.360
that's playing. I think it's a
Melotron, and I just feel like it
671
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:34.960
really book ins this song really well. But I had to pick like thirty
672
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:37.280
seconds, so I went with that
part because I like the the building to
673
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:42.630
that and I specially love that when
they play this live, like on the
674
00:48:42.710 --> 00:48:45.550
recording, they never go back into
the course. It's just instrumental for the
675
00:48:45.590 --> 00:48:47.670
rest of the song, but live
he would go into singing that like come
676
00:48:47.710 --> 00:48:51.909
back from California, but like belting
it at the top of his lungs kind
677
00:48:51.909 --> 00:48:53.590
of thing, and it was awesome
and it was kind of one of those
678
00:48:53.590 --> 00:48:57.860
things where I was like, why
did you not do that on the record?
679
00:48:57.900 --> 00:49:00.460
That had to have been an idea. And I it's like I do
680
00:49:00.699 --> 00:49:02.820
like the instrumental part, but I
also just go like, Oh, I
681
00:49:02.940 --> 00:49:06.179
just love when you every time you
did it live, it gave me like
682
00:49:06.300 --> 00:49:13.449
chills. I mean it's like unbelievable, and so if you didn't get a
683
00:49:13.489 --> 00:49:15.010
chance to see them live, you
probably won't now. I don't know that
684
00:49:15.050 --> 00:49:19.690
they're really touring or anything anymore.
So, Chris, what are your thoughts
685
00:49:19.730 --> 00:49:27.119
on in California? Oh, this
is a great song. I just think
686
00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:32.039
it's so rad when a band coming
out, you know, it's first release,
687
00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:39.230
has the the gall to layer that
many different instruments on a track.
688
00:49:39.269 --> 00:49:45.949
You've got strings, you've got I
don't what is that instrument to begins like
689
00:49:45.989 --> 00:49:47.829
a whistle. I think it's a
meloitron. I think it's atron. Oh,
690
00:49:47.829 --> 00:49:51.869
you said that that's what you're referring
to. It's you know, Melotron
691
00:49:52.030 --> 00:49:54.260
is a keyboard instrument that has.
I mean they probably weren't using a real
692
00:49:54.260 --> 00:49:57.300
one. They're probably using I figured
it was a saying, I guess,
693
00:49:57.340 --> 00:50:00.139
but but like it was the Beatles, you know, it's like the sixty.
694
00:50:00.219 --> 00:50:04.860
It actually had rolls of tape for
every key that had like sixteen seconds
695
00:50:04.860 --> 00:50:07.170
of a sample of someone playing something
like a flute or a violin or something
696
00:50:07.210 --> 00:50:10.610
like that. And what's really funny
is that everyone thought, all the string
697
00:50:10.690 --> 00:50:14.250
players thought they were going to be
out of jobs, which is funny because
698
00:50:14.250 --> 00:50:17.170
it doesn't sound like someone actually playing
one of those instruments. Funny. And
699
00:50:17.250 --> 00:50:21.369
so it literally happens like you press
a key, it starts playing this tape
700
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:23.159
and then when you let go the
key, it snaps the IT rewinds the
701
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:27.880
tape back immediately, like snaps it
back because it's just a sixteen seconds.
702
00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:30.000
See, oh, it's like a
crazy instrument, right, and I've never
703
00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:32.960
actually seen one. Had To work
their butts off, man. Yeah,
704
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:37.710
I've never actually seen one in real
life. I mean I've I've fake I've
705
00:50:37.750 --> 00:50:42.630
used fake versions of software emulations of
them. I would love to play with
706
00:50:42.750 --> 00:50:45.110
one in real life, though.
And Yeah, and so to change the
707
00:50:45.309 --> 00:50:47.150
sound you had to change all those
little tapes. So if you want to
708
00:50:47.190 --> 00:50:52.219
change it from like flute to island, I don't know, I've never yeah,
709
00:50:52.300 --> 00:50:54.019
so anyway it was. But Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what it
710
00:50:54.099 --> 00:50:59.500
is. It's probably an emulator,
I'm going to guess, but maybe not,
711
00:50:59.659 --> 00:51:02.219
I don't know. Be Curious to
find that out. I also this
712
00:51:02.579 --> 00:51:06.730
this song I have to say,
reminds me of like one of my other
713
00:51:06.849 --> 00:51:09.210
favorite, like lesserknown bands from this
era, a band called hundred thirty eight.
714
00:51:09.210 --> 00:51:12.570
I'm pretty sure they're from Florida.
I like to think that. And
715
00:51:12.650 --> 00:51:15.889
I think Copeland is from Georgia.
No, they're from Florida. Aha,
716
00:51:16.170 --> 00:51:22.000
seems the line I've come back from
California or all your friends in Florida.
717
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:23.440
Yeah, okay, yeah, so
I was like there's got to be some
718
00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:27.840
influence or overlap there, because two
three as of very unique sounding band and
719
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:30.159
this song has got some thirty eight
vibes. Yeah, I think. I
720
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:34.230
feel like Florida had some vibes at
the time. I feel like, yeah,
721
00:51:34.309 --> 00:51:37.949
it doesn't get seen. Yeah,
Florida doesn't get a lot of credit
722
00:51:37.150 --> 00:51:42.710
for vibes, but I feel like
they you're right to thirty eight yellow card
723
00:51:42.949 --> 00:51:45.909
there's quite a few that were either
originally from Florida or still in Florida,
724
00:51:46.260 --> 00:51:51.940
cartels from Georgia, which I mean
cartels. You Georgia. Yeah, there's
725
00:51:51.940 --> 00:51:54.860
a yeah, that's an interesting I
feel like Florida, and I mean Florida.
726
00:51:55.099 --> 00:51:59.380
Why wouldn't they have there like the
fourth most populous state in the country,
727
00:51:59.420 --> 00:52:01.610
right, the Florida of states?
Yes, yeah, they're like there's
728
00:52:01.650 --> 00:52:05.010
like a bunch of people there.
So, yeah, it would make sense
729
00:52:05.090 --> 00:52:07.289
that, like Florida man makes fantastic
music. Why would they not have a
730
00:52:07.369 --> 00:52:10.449
ton of people from New Jersey,
which, by the way, somehow I
731
00:52:10.610 --> 00:52:15.719
got wrong and someone corrected me in
the comments of one of our things.
732
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:21.920
I I said someone was from New
Jersey and they're from a long island.
733
00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:27.360
I think it's taking back Sunday,
by the way, and so correction made
734
00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:30.869
on speaking of state. Noted that
I was that I got a stay wrong
735
00:52:31.030 --> 00:52:36.110
on a band. So apologies,
but that's why we have comments and social
736
00:52:36.110 --> 00:52:38.630
media and stuff like that. You
can correct so that so the geography police
737
00:52:38.789 --> 00:52:44.230
can go there and they came out. They can go there and that's fine.
738
00:52:44.269 --> 00:52:45.900
And Long Island is so close to
New Jersey you can see why I
739
00:52:45.940 --> 00:52:49.420
say these. There's a lot of
bands from that area at the time.
740
00:52:49.659 --> 00:52:52.300
So, yeah, I think brand
new Tang bacs anywhere Long Island, not
741
00:52:52.539 --> 00:52:55.739
New Jersey. Sorry, I think, or maybe I just got it wrong
742
00:52:55.739 --> 00:52:59.849
again and maybe it was backwards.
I don't know. I we're we're winging
743
00:52:59.969 --> 00:53:01.969
this thing. They'll tell you.
Yeah, they'll tell me, so tell
744
00:53:01.969 --> 00:53:07.730
me the comments when I'm wrong again. Songs about California. There are a
745
00:53:07.809 --> 00:53:09.130
lot of songs about California, but
this is one of my favorites. I
746
00:53:09.170 --> 00:53:14.199
feel like it's a really good one. Maybe not about California, but you
747
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:16.800
know, mentioned California, Kyle.
What are your thoughts on California? I'm
748
00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:22.119
sure you've heard this one before too. So I have. I had heard
749
00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:24.960
it before. It was familiar.
I don't like know it's super well and
750
00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:29.670
this is another one that was funny
to me because I kind of got to
751
00:53:29.989 --> 00:53:35.949
experience influence out of order. And
so I don't know if you guys remember,
752
00:53:36.309 --> 00:53:43.139
there was a band on Dog House
called Paulson. They put out his
753
00:53:43.260 --> 00:53:45.059
why you remember that? Oh,
you get okay, I'm going to send
754
00:53:45.099 --> 00:53:49.059
you, I'm going to text you
guys this song. You should listen to
755
00:53:49.300 --> 00:53:52.019
but like there's a part that was, I think, actually in the clip
756
00:53:52.059 --> 00:53:57.969
that you played, where the guitar
just like one time goes bad ANA and
757
00:53:58.769 --> 00:54:02.530
like there's a whole song of that
and it's a lot of the sounds are
758
00:54:02.570 --> 00:54:07.650
very similar. It's a song called
voids by Paulson, a New Jersey band,
759
00:54:07.769 --> 00:54:10.159
by the way. Are you sure
I am new jerse? I am
760
00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:17.119
certain. Okay, I'm certain and
I don't care now as that doesn't matter.
761
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:22.679
But it's weird because there's just no
question to me that like this song
762
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:27.110
influence their band in a little way. And I just I heard him out
763
00:54:27.150 --> 00:54:30.630
of order, and so it's just
so crazy too. It was so crazy
764
00:54:30.710 --> 00:54:34.789
to be like, dude, that's
that had to have influenced them, because
765
00:54:34.949 --> 00:54:39.099
you know clearly this is this is
a good record and influenced people. It
766
00:54:39.179 --> 00:54:42.659
came two years before, I believe, the record I'm talking about came out,
767
00:54:42.739 --> 00:54:45.699
oh five, and it's like I
can't, I just can't not hear
768
00:54:45.739 --> 00:54:49.460
it. So I'll send it.
I'll send it to you, dudes,
769
00:54:49.539 --> 00:54:52.059
and you can find out and you
should just check out that man, Paulson.
770
00:54:52.139 --> 00:54:53.889
They put out one record. They're
kind of the one of the one
771
00:54:53.929 --> 00:54:58.050
and done, dudes. And Yeah, it is a kick butt record.
772
00:54:58.050 --> 00:55:00.210
I want to hear it. Yeah, yeah, I mean I do feel
773
00:55:00.250 --> 00:55:04.929
like Copeland was maybe a little bit
of a band's band. I agree completely
774
00:55:05.010 --> 00:55:07.800
you think, like I feel like
every a lot of people I knew in
775
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:09.559
bands really liked them a lot,
but I don't feel like they had like
776
00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:14.880
just tons of success. I mean
most shows I saw them at were smaller
777
00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:16.719
venues. I mean the biggest venue
I song was the you know, as
778
00:55:16.760 --> 00:55:21.280
I mentioned, the pair more show
that they open for. But every other
779
00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:23.070
venue have been is like a you
know, five hundred percent venue. Maybe.
780
00:55:23.789 --> 00:55:27.469
I guess I saw I'm open for
switchfoot one time and that was probably
781
00:55:27.510 --> 00:55:29.909
a bigger venue at the time.
That might have been a thousand people or
782
00:55:29.949 --> 00:55:34.710
something like that. But but yeah, they're great live and and that's a
783
00:55:35.900 --> 00:55:37.179
I think I'm with you. I
think that's I think they're kind of a
784
00:55:37.219 --> 00:55:42.500
bands band. So I do hear
it's interesting for you to hear it a
785
00:55:42.579 --> 00:55:44.980
little fresh and be like, oh, this sounds like that, oh that
786
00:55:45.099 --> 00:55:46.219
came after this album. Oh when
this sounds like thing, you know,
787
00:55:46.500 --> 00:55:49.699
and I don't think these people are. No one's ripping each other off.
788
00:55:49.820 --> 00:55:52.210
We're not. So I think it's
inspired. So it's inspiration. Yeah,
789
00:55:52.210 --> 00:55:57.090
it's just going in maybe giving some
permission to be like, Oh, we
790
00:55:57.170 --> 00:56:00.369
can do that. You know other
people are doing similar things. So Hey,
791
00:56:00.530 --> 00:56:01.849
also, oh, go ahead.
Got Well, I was going to
792
00:56:01.889 --> 00:56:06.159
say you guys mentioned the art work
earlier and I meant to chime in and
793
00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:09.880
say that I always thought it was
funny. HMM, funny may not be
794
00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:13.519
the right word. Funny might not
be just like fun facts might not be
795
00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:16.239
the right word. Yeah, why? I mean, I feel like the
796
00:56:16.360 --> 00:56:22.110
person dying is like the most handsome
drawing of a person ever that's about to
797
00:56:22.269 --> 00:56:27.510
receive CPR right, like a good
look. You know, they're, they're,
798
00:56:27.750 --> 00:56:30.989
they're they're in trouble, and I
know that because someone's trying to,
799
00:56:31.269 --> 00:56:37.860
you know, start their heart again. But otherwise the pretty flawless, well,
800
00:56:37.940 --> 00:56:42.139
I mean goodlooking people do die,
Kyle, I know, but I
801
00:56:42.219 --> 00:56:45.940
mean I'm like a heart attack.
What's going on? This kid drowned because
802
00:56:45.940 --> 00:56:52.329
he seems untouched, too young for
a heart attack. In my opinion,
803
00:56:52.210 --> 00:56:55.050
he's not drowning. He's in a
full clothing. So we know we didn't
804
00:56:55.090 --> 00:57:00.090
like, he didn't drown. Probably
I mean you can drown in full clothing.
805
00:57:00.090 --> 00:57:02.519
I guess I wasn't slipping. Two
Thousand and three. I wonder if
806
00:57:02.599 --> 00:57:07.360
his vappin exploded. And Lodge,
we're not n his ARTIANS. In two
807
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:10.519
thousand and three we were. Oh
yeah, that's right, far away.
808
00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:15.750
We're smoking cigarettes in two thousand and
three, kyle, that's right. Okay,
809
00:57:15.150 --> 00:57:17.949
I got good question. I got
confused. I do know their basest.
810
00:57:19.190 --> 00:57:22.909
Did shoot the photos of the hospital? Stuff? Behind the okay,
811
00:57:23.550 --> 00:57:27.750
behind the it is weird to explain, but yeah, there was like a
812
00:57:27.909 --> 00:57:30.820
sheet of like kind of see through
white paper that had the etloint is completely
813
00:57:30.980 --> 00:57:35.780
lost in translation as far as digital
format goes. Like, yeah, it
814
00:57:35.860 --> 00:57:37.860
will really is. It's a country
song, though. I mean you already
815
00:57:37.900 --> 00:57:42.780
got the title to too handsome to
die young something like that's all the guys
816
00:57:42.940 --> 00:57:45.969
are there, too handsome to die
something. Yeah, okay, we can.
817
00:57:45.449 --> 00:57:47.650
We could make that a thing.
I'm just saying it's a hand is
818
00:57:47.889 --> 00:57:53.090
a handsome young guy. I can't
tell what's gone wrong other than he's being
819
00:57:53.170 --> 00:57:58.130
revived. I mean, I guess
maybe choked on some food. Well,
820
00:57:58.250 --> 00:58:00.400
but that's not what you do for
choking. That's not hi I'm like,
821
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:05.639
that's a bad medical procedure. That's
that's clearly CPR. Oh, you're saying,
822
00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:07.599
if he was doing that, if
he was choked, the long maneuver,
823
00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:10.760
do the high him light. Yeah, but no one's possible that the
824
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:15.590
person administering care didn't know what the
heck they were doing. Yeah, which
825
00:58:15.829 --> 00:58:20.230
could have been the reason the handsome
and died. Yep, God, trying
826
00:58:20.269 --> 00:58:22.550
to give someone CPR and they've got
something their throats. I'm going to help.
827
00:58:22.269 --> 00:58:25.909
So yeah, really, the interesting
the album artwork might just be a
828
00:58:27.030 --> 00:58:30.820
documentary of of a terrible tragedy.
These could be vp are not. No,
829
00:58:30.019 --> 00:58:37.179
Chris, I'm saying a mystery.
So, UN mystery, murder mystery.
830
00:58:37.659 --> 00:58:40.449
Okay, let's go to track seven. She changes her mind. We'll
831
00:58:40.489 --> 00:59:20.829
call this the back half of the
album. Christ's Goodie. First, this
832
00:59:20.989 --> 00:59:24.139
song is does like when it starts
off here, like you are not aware
833
00:59:24.139 --> 00:59:27.579
of this starts with think, it
starts click, click, click, click,
834
00:59:28.019 --> 00:59:30.260
on the on the on this,
on the drums. I mean it's
835
00:59:30.260 --> 00:59:32.940
like literally like a count in kind
of and you have no idea where it's
836
00:59:32.980 --> 00:59:36.460
going. Yeah, yeah, because
I would say it starts off a little
837
00:59:36.460 --> 00:59:38.969
weird compared like just relative to like
where it goes, because the core freaking
838
00:59:39.010 --> 00:59:43.210
jams, dude. I mean that
part you played, you've got freaking chimes
839
00:59:43.250 --> 00:59:45.969
coming in like all American rejects,
relying Kate Style, you know. I
840
00:59:46.010 --> 00:59:49.889
remember playing those in cushion. You
had have like a hammer. That's again.
841
00:59:49.969 --> 00:59:52.769
They're probably, you know, using
a synthesize or something, but that's
842
00:59:52.769 --> 00:59:55.440
a bold move. Yep, it's. And I that drum. The drum
843
00:59:55.519 --> 00:59:59.880
fills there. I mean we're showing
some chops right up. There's some awesome
844
00:59:59.920 --> 01:00:04.239
drumming, there's some like bindy guitar
solo stuff. I mean this song freaking
845
01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:07.909
rocks. But right, you don't. If I played you that intro and
846
01:00:07.030 --> 01:00:09.550
then that part, you'd be like, oh, those are the same sort
847
01:00:09.590 --> 01:00:13.190
the same song. No, sir, that is not the same song,
848
01:00:13.789 --> 01:00:16.309
but they are. Yeah, this
song freaking rocks. Kyle, what are
849
01:00:16.309 --> 01:00:22.380
your thoughts? Had not heard the
song. It freaking rocks, freaking rocks.
850
01:00:22.820 --> 01:00:25.980
I like, I have no,
nothing to influence me except for a
851
01:00:27.139 --> 01:00:30.900
song that freaking rocks. All that
stuff, the drums, the build.
852
01:00:31.699 --> 01:00:36.610
Also, I think his voice sounds
a little bit different on this song.
853
01:00:37.050 --> 01:00:43.170
It reminds me of Andrew from Jack's
Mannequin on this song. I can hear
854
01:00:43.250 --> 01:00:45.210
that a little bit. Yeah,
another band that came out a little bit
855
01:00:45.250 --> 01:00:47.730
after this. Well, I mean
I guess something corporate came out before that,
856
01:00:47.929 --> 01:00:52.400
so he probably already had his voice
at that point. But I can
857
01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:55.159
do that. So let's go to
there cannot be a close second. Here
858
01:00:55.199 --> 01:01:39.170
we go. So okay, so
there cannot be a close second. Chris
859
01:01:39.329 --> 01:01:45.929
Mounier, what are your thoughts?
Good tune, solid to huge fan,
860
01:01:45.289 --> 01:01:47.559
more based from on the eighth I
can't get enough. I love it.
861
01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:51.800
I'm gonna go I just yeah,
I love it, keep it up.
862
01:01:53.559 --> 01:01:57.960
I thought that there cannot be a
close second. It was the is the
863
01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:00.559
most Aaron Marsh way of saying if
you're not first, your last. It's
864
01:02:00.599 --> 01:02:02.869
like a sweeter kind of it's a
sweeter way to say the Ricky Bobby Line.
865
01:02:04.070 --> 01:02:07.949
Yeah, thank first your last.
There cannot be a close second.
866
01:02:07.230 --> 01:02:13.829
Yeah, I mean I feel like
that the the the medical and sort of
867
01:02:14.550 --> 01:02:16.579
that whole thing of the record.
That seems like a theme. And then
868
01:02:16.619 --> 01:02:21.059
the eighth note kicks feels like the
other theme of this record, because we
869
01:02:21.099 --> 01:02:25.059
have it on several songs and I'm
into it. Cayle, what are your
870
01:02:25.099 --> 01:02:29.380
thoughts on there cannot be a close
second? Had you heard this one before?
871
01:02:31.250 --> 01:02:36.449
I I'm not certain. Like it
sounds familiar to me and and so
872
01:02:37.050 --> 01:02:39.409
here's the thing. I'm not saying
it's not good. I'm not saying it's
873
01:02:39.449 --> 01:02:45.800
great. It sounds it sounds familiar
and so and so, like I think
874
01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:50.199
it's it sounds like good emo.
You know what I mean. Like,
875
01:02:51.079 --> 01:02:55.119
yeah, so that's my the end. Also, even with that, that
876
01:02:55.239 --> 01:03:00.030
sounds like I'm saying it's boring.
It's not. I actually really like how
877
01:03:00.070 --> 01:03:06.190
I feel like the record is like
it's going somewhere after the last couple songs,
878
01:03:06.309 --> 01:03:10.070
like we are, we're moving in
a good direction. So, yeah,
879
01:03:10.110 --> 01:03:14.099
I mean, I'm into it.
I like I agree. I like
880
01:03:14.340 --> 01:03:16.619
the there cannot be a close second
line. Chris, I feel like that.
881
01:03:16.780 --> 01:03:20.340
You're right. It is a it's
a more poetic way to say that,
882
01:03:20.500 --> 01:03:22.539
like your number one, you know, and I like that. I
883
01:03:22.579 --> 01:03:29.449
feel like that's a good I don't
know, I just feel like it's interesting
884
01:03:29.489 --> 01:03:31.769
to have like this whole thing be
about a girlfriend and a grandma, because
885
01:03:31.809 --> 01:03:36.489
it's it really is hard to tell
which songs are about what so like.
886
01:03:37.730 --> 01:03:42.559
By the way, I'm in some
of the things I've read. The song
887
01:03:42.719 --> 01:03:47.599
priceless has in parentheses for Eleanor.
which eleanor definitely sounds like a grandma name.
888
01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:53.599
So between Eleanor and Paula. That's
yeah and so, but like yeah,
889
01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:59.750
so I'm I'm now. I'm now
confused and not sure. Maybe Paula
890
01:03:59.869 --> 01:04:01.590
was the girlfriend I went on.
Me Choose between all R and Paula.
891
01:04:01.670 --> 01:04:05.829
I know what I'm choosing for the
grandma anyway. Yeah, I mean eleanor
892
01:04:06.110 --> 01:04:13.260
is. I definitely did not go
to high school with any eleanor's. Maybe
893
01:04:13.340 --> 01:04:15.260
Ellie for short. I was going
to say I actually think my sister in
894
01:04:15.300 --> 01:04:19.739
law. Her name is eleanor.
Well, right, but okay, she's
895
01:04:19.780 --> 01:04:23.739
Ellie. So okay, well,
maybe. So who knows? I mean
896
01:04:23.820 --> 01:04:27.809
what we really don't. It's a
mystery. No one can know and can't
897
01:04:27.849 --> 01:04:30.650
find us out. Guys Aaron Marsh
probably know. He probably knows my but
898
01:04:30.769 --> 01:04:34.090
there's no way to know. There's
no way to know if he knows.
899
01:04:34.329 --> 01:04:40.360
There too, the names are if
a name, if I'm a name,
900
01:04:40.400 --> 01:04:45.159
can't be specific, but those are
specific names in that like I would hate
901
01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:45.760
to think that you'd be like,
well, I don't want to say her
902
01:04:45.800 --> 01:04:49.000
real name, Paula, I'll go
with Paula. You know what I mean?
903
01:04:49.079 --> 01:04:51.440
Yeah, like it's okay, it's
really someone's name. Yeah, we're
904
01:04:51.480 --> 01:04:55.989
not doing one of those things where
I substitute a fake name in and I'm
905
01:04:55.989 --> 01:04:58.670
really talking about someone else. Yeah, you're right. It's like there is
906
01:04:58.829 --> 01:05:02.909
a Paula and there isn't eleanor what
if it's an exist? I don't think
907
01:05:02.909 --> 01:05:06.030
she was famous at this point.
Well, she think she's a maybe she
908
01:05:06.179 --> 01:05:10.420
was regionally famous. She's ritually that
she is from the south. That's true.
909
01:05:11.619 --> 01:05:15.579
Could be the marsh. We have
questions, we need clearly do have
910
01:05:15.780 --> 01:05:18.460
questions. But yeah, I just
like I feel like most these songs I
911
01:05:18.539 --> 01:05:20.650
look at and I go like why, I wonder which one this is about,
912
01:05:20.730 --> 01:05:24.250
and sometimes it's really hard to figure
it out. I feel like,
913
01:05:24.489 --> 01:05:29.769
which I think is a good thing, lyrically, that you can't tell if
914
01:05:29.809 --> 01:05:32.849
he's talking about the grandmother he loves
or the girlfriend he loves. I feel
915
01:05:32.849 --> 01:05:39.119
like that's a good thing. Potentially, lyrics are timeless and can be applied
916
01:05:39.199 --> 01:05:42.280
to different situations. That's right.
You know, you're doing all right,
917
01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:45.239
right, which makes it, you
know, especially weird that I was like
918
01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:50.869
making out to when Paula spart works, but where, when you say all,
919
01:05:50.909 --> 01:05:56.949
I like, well, I guess. Yeah, so okay, okay.
920
01:05:56.989 --> 01:06:00.750
So here's this is interesting for Kyle
specifically, since he had just heard
921
01:06:00.829 --> 01:06:05.099
this song. Does it remind you
of any other song? Rest of you
922
01:06:05.139 --> 01:06:09.619
guys can pin this note, pin
this, pin this. You should know.
923
01:06:09.780 --> 01:06:15.500
You definitely know this song and I
would think that you, HMM,
924
01:06:16.340 --> 01:06:20.090
okay, you're not going to guess
it all that she wants by ace of
925
01:06:20.210 --> 01:06:24.969
base. That's not it, but
that's a good guess. Has An elbow
926
01:06:25.010 --> 01:06:31.050
in it. So they for podcast
listeners. You may have heard something that
927
01:06:31.130 --> 01:06:34.320
sounds very similar to this at the
start of this podcast, because I one
928
01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:40.360
hundred and twelve percent ripped off this
song, my song you hear now?
929
01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:45.719
Yes, okay, the moment you
started speaking, I heard that like the
930
01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:49.949
drums. Okay, awesome, so
I so the the back story is that
931
01:06:50.070 --> 01:06:54.590
the the intro and outro of our
podcast is really just one of my solo
932
01:06:54.670 --> 01:06:57.909
songs that I took the stems and
made a thirty second clip of or whatever.
933
01:06:58.349 --> 01:07:00.909
It's a song I wrote called everything
falls, and it was slower.
934
01:07:00.030 --> 01:07:03.300
It was like twenty bpm slower than
it is now. and One night,
935
01:07:03.420 --> 01:07:06.059
one day, I was listening to
this song in my car and I was
936
01:07:06.139 --> 01:07:10.260
like I couldn't quite figure out the
song. It was this piano thing in
937
01:07:10.699 --> 01:07:13.300
anyway. What you don't hear much
the piano on the part we do in
938
01:07:13.300 --> 01:07:15.539
the song because that's the end of
the song, but the intro of the
939
01:07:15.579 --> 01:07:18.570
song is this piano apart and I
couldn't figure out what to do with the
940
01:07:18.690 --> 01:07:20.769
rest of the song. It could
never quite figure out what to do.
941
01:07:21.170 --> 01:07:24.329
And then I was listening to this
song and I was like that's what it
942
01:07:24.409 --> 01:07:27.889
has to have, is that driving
eighth note kick drum kind of thing,
943
01:07:28.250 --> 01:07:30.119
and I need to speed it up
like twenty bpm. And so I did.
944
01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:32.599
I literally just went in to garage
a band because it was all mitty,
945
01:07:32.840 --> 01:07:35.679
and I just turn the tempo up
and then I'm mitty drum to that
946
01:07:35.760 --> 01:07:40.239
thing and then I had Jeff Hall
actually play the drums, you know well.
947
01:07:41.159 --> 01:07:45.110
And and so you know, I
knew whenever we got around to doing
948
01:07:45.190 --> 01:07:46.869
this record, I was going to
have to fess up that like this song
949
01:07:47.349 --> 01:07:53.150
one hundred percent was like it shaped
the entire and then at that point everything
950
01:07:53.190 --> 01:07:56.550
clicked together with the song. So, unashamedly, I'm telling you, it
951
01:07:56.710 --> 01:07:59.500
influenced me. I was listening to
the car and I was like that is
952
01:07:59.539 --> 01:08:02.539
the right tempo, that is the
right beat for what I'm doing, and
953
01:08:02.659 --> 01:08:08.420
so I stole the beat. So
let me just say something like Aaron,
954
01:08:09.940 --> 01:08:15.090
no matter what happened between me and
you, blake is his own person.
955
01:08:15.690 --> 01:08:18.369
Don't go after him. No,
I don't think you can sue someone for
956
01:08:18.449 --> 01:08:23.210
using a drum beat again now saying
I don't want them to try because of
957
01:08:23.609 --> 01:08:27.159
how things went down between him and
I. So now, if you want
958
01:08:27.159 --> 01:08:29.920
to hear the full thing and go
listen to my solo record. It's the
959
01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:35.920
second track on the record. I
think I can't remember. I think it's
960
01:08:35.920 --> 01:08:42.029
the second track. You should post
the YAW links. Show a little link.
961
01:08:42.069 --> 01:08:43.949
I'll put a link in the show
notes. You think I remember my
962
01:08:44.029 --> 01:08:46.550
own track order, but I camera
it's early in the record. But anyway,
963
01:08:46.550 --> 01:08:49.069
that was my so I love this
song. I think it's a great,
964
01:08:49.470 --> 01:08:53.430
great song, and obviously I stole
the feel for it. So I'm
965
01:08:53.430 --> 01:08:57.699
very much into it and it obviously
influenced the music for a podcast vibject.
966
01:08:59.140 --> 01:09:36.880
Let's go to coffee. I just
absolutely love how loose this song is.
967
01:09:38.239 --> 01:09:42.029
It's like I don't feel like they
even maybe did it to a click.
968
01:09:42.069 --> 01:09:46.510
I mean just feels really what is
crazy song for like a bunch of twenty
969
01:09:46.550 --> 01:09:49.670
year old guys in an email band. This is insanely good. It is
970
01:09:49.750 --> 01:09:54.859
unfair good. It's really makes me
mad. It's so yeah, it's got
971
01:09:54.939 --> 01:10:00.060
like you feel like you're in like
a Jazzy, Smoky Club, just groups
972
01:10:00.140 --> 01:10:03.020
man vibe. Yeah, like some
I feels like you're in a coffee shop.
973
01:10:03.260 --> 01:10:05.699
I mean that's what's even more brilliant. I mean it's got layers.
974
01:10:05.779 --> 01:10:09.329
So like, first of all,
I love the idea, like, for
975
01:10:09.449 --> 01:10:15.329
some reason, the the mental kind
of picture of of getting coffee at night.
976
01:10:15.329 --> 01:10:17.130
Specifically, like I like that he's
asking like if it's not too late
977
01:10:17.170 --> 01:10:19.409
for coffee. Like the idea of
like, oh, we're going out late
978
01:10:19.489 --> 01:10:23.079
at night to get coffee or whatever. I just I don't know. I
979
01:10:23.439 --> 01:10:26.479
remember just like hanging out till whatever, two or three in the morning with
980
01:10:26.600 --> 01:10:29.720
people back when we were kids.
You know, it's like that's what we
981
01:10:29.840 --> 01:10:31.319
would do. We've got to go
out and get you know, for the
982
01:10:31.479 --> 01:10:34.399
there weren't very many places that were
open served. I mean, I don't
983
01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:38.670
drink coffee, but you know that
kind of thing, like a diner or
984
01:10:39.189 --> 01:10:42.750
waffle house was a classic. Or, I hop back in the day village
985
01:10:42.829 --> 01:10:47.510
in going at you have any of
those kind of like this just reminds me
986
01:10:47.630 --> 01:10:51.979
of hanging out with people at a
place like that. Which one did you
987
01:10:53.060 --> 01:10:57.220
say? Kyle? Beverly's? Yeah, Beverly's was awesome vibe, absolutely the
988
01:10:57.260 --> 01:11:02.300
be they really did like going there
at one in the morning. For them
989
01:11:02.380 --> 01:11:10.689
they captured the VIBE. Yeah,
so I just I feel exactly like I'm
990
01:11:10.970 --> 01:11:15.689
twenty, early twenties hang out with
friends, like in the Outro, Guitar,
991
01:11:15.890 --> 01:11:17.800
the line and the Basse following it
just a bit in the box,
992
01:11:18.119 --> 01:11:21.840
the vocals following it just a bit. I mean it's just so good.
993
01:11:25.359 --> 01:11:27.600
Yeah, this is a really good
one. I don't know that I ever
994
01:11:27.680 --> 01:11:31.279
saw them play this live. Actually, maybe I'd have to look back.
995
01:11:31.279 --> 01:11:33.949
I've wrote. I wrote down most
set list, but so many of them
996
01:11:33.989 --> 01:11:38.750
were on paper or stuff that I've
gotta find them. But I don't think
997
01:11:38.789 --> 01:11:41.229
I saw them play this live,
which bumb me out a little bit because
998
01:11:41.270 --> 01:11:45.789
it's a great song. I really
like it and it's, like I said,
999
01:11:45.789 --> 01:11:47.220
I also like the layer of it
feeling like I'm in kind of a
1000
01:11:47.300 --> 01:11:50.739
coffee shop and this band is playing, maybe over in the corner or something.
1001
01:11:51.380 --> 01:11:55.020
I feel like coffee shops always had
that stage in the corner that was
1002
01:11:55.380 --> 01:12:00.380
like eight feet wide. Hiops.
Besides, coffee at ten o'clock just being
1003
01:12:00.420 --> 01:12:03.090
a monster of an idea at our
age. Like, how did how did
1004
01:12:03.090 --> 01:12:06.770
the VIBE play for you? Man? What do you think? Yeah,
1005
01:12:08.289 --> 01:12:13.489
Oh, yeah, I mean honestly, like, I really can't add to
1006
01:12:13.529 --> 01:12:15.840
anything that you guys are saying.
It's it's just got a cool vibe,
1007
01:12:15.920 --> 01:12:19.600
like it was a it was a
surprise for me in a really, really
1008
01:12:19.680 --> 01:12:25.399
nice way. Yeah, you know
what other Song Rem not reminds me of
1009
01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:27.239
the song and I don't know why
I now think of it, but,
1010
01:12:27.359 --> 01:12:30.710
Kyle, what's the song? Is
it the Mensinger's, that song about getting
1011
01:12:30.710 --> 01:12:33.229
Dr Peppers and their water cups?
No, no, that's not the angel.
1012
01:12:33.350 --> 01:12:36.229
That's or go on, the angel. Well, that is that song.
1013
01:12:36.430 --> 01:12:40.430
That lyric does the same thing for
me. It's like takes you to
1014
01:12:40.510 --> 01:12:42.789
I'm lace. It takes you to
a place and goes like. I mean
1015
01:12:42.909 --> 01:12:45.619
that was we did that. You
know, I just and it's such a
1016
01:12:45.060 --> 01:12:48.859
stupid thing to run. I mean
that it seems like a stupid thing to
1017
01:12:48.939 --> 01:12:51.819
write in a song, but I
love it. It's so relatable. Yeah,
1018
01:12:51.859 --> 01:12:55.979
in case anybody's wondering, the line
is and we can fill up both
1019
01:12:56.020 --> 01:12:59.609
of our water cups with Dr Pepper
and the neck like we paid. Yeah,
1020
01:13:01.210 --> 01:13:04.930
that's a great song and a great
album. We could do that on
1021
01:13:05.050 --> 01:13:08.010
this one, right. I mean
even it's a newer we can start doing
1022
01:13:08.130 --> 01:13:10.770
newer. Well there, but I
think, I think they just put out
1023
01:13:10.810 --> 01:13:15.479
a new record. That records fantastic
and I love it. So we should.
1024
01:13:15.479 --> 01:13:17.680
We should do some newer emo records. I think that we're allowed because
1025
01:13:17.920 --> 01:13:21.000
that same article, that vulture article
that I was talking about, it had
1026
01:13:21.000 --> 01:13:25.560
a bunch of stuff from like two
thousand and nineteen and two thousand and seventeen
1027
01:13:25.600 --> 01:13:28.310
and stuff. So I'm like,
okay, we're going to start doing also,
1028
01:13:28.350 --> 01:13:30.390
and if you guys are weirded out
by this or not, but like
1029
01:13:30.590 --> 01:13:34.789
pop punk and and Ska and all
of that stuff, it's like it's coming
1030
01:13:34.909 --> 01:13:40.270
back, like it's machine gun.
Kelly put out a freaking pop punk record.
1031
01:13:41.229 --> 01:13:44.699
I mean I believe it. Everything
cyclical and we're twenty years out.
1032
01:13:45.420 --> 01:13:47.300
Did you just as weird being in
it? You know what I mean?
1033
01:13:47.500 --> 01:13:50.300
Like this is the first time that's
like, Oh, yeah, this is
1034
01:13:50.779 --> 01:13:55.770
this was popular and this is being
recycled. So so, at some point,
1035
01:13:55.890 --> 01:14:00.970
despite the opening line of this being
about early s albums, we will
1036
01:14:01.050 --> 01:14:04.489
probably start diving in to change change
the opening line. Well, no,
1037
01:14:04.649 --> 01:14:08.930
we'll just who cares? We can
do whatever we want. Well, we'll
1038
01:14:08.970 --> 01:14:11.600
do some two thousand and ten stuff
to it, some pos and beeps in
1039
01:14:11.680 --> 01:14:15.920
there. Who knows? Maybe next
week, maybe next week we'll do who
1040
01:14:16.039 --> 01:14:18.880
knows? Stay tuned. You don't, you won't know it. You don't
1041
01:14:18.920 --> 01:14:29.069
subscribe. No one's like gallant.
Subscribe, guys, got let's you got
1042
01:14:29.149 --> 01:14:32.229
it. We're going to two thousand
and thirteen on in. Okay, walking
1043
01:14:32.350 --> 01:14:45.420
downtown, track ten. Here we
go, we are walking down a favorite.
1044
01:15:10.960 --> 01:15:15.039
This one was a single from the
record, actually. I mean they
1045
01:15:15.079 --> 01:15:19.399
did have a video and stuff,
which I always thought was a little strange.
1046
01:15:19.399 --> 01:15:24.310
I like the song a lot,
but I feel like take care is
1047
01:15:25.310 --> 01:15:29.630
more of a like, Oh yeah, that's a single or there cannot be
1048
01:15:29.630 --> 01:15:32.710
a close second would be another one
or testing strong ones. I feel like
1049
01:15:32.750 --> 01:15:38.220
all three of those are more singly
than walking downtown. But it's a good
1050
01:15:38.500 --> 01:15:41.619
song. Kyle. What are your
thoughts on it as someone that is fresh
1051
01:15:41.699 --> 01:15:44.739
to it? Dude, I am
shocked that this is a single because,
1052
01:15:44.859 --> 01:15:46.739
honestly, this is a no for
me, dog, it's a no for
1053
01:15:46.859 --> 01:15:49.289
you, Donc it's not it's not
bad, it's just like this is not
1054
01:15:49.449 --> 01:15:54.369
the one, like, not even
close. I just, in real time,
1055
01:15:54.569 --> 01:15:57.729
just now, found out that this
was a single for you and have
1056
01:15:57.850 --> 01:16:01.770
never been more angry and I can't
believe that. Do you think it was
1057
01:16:01.850 --> 01:16:04.640
more of a it fit? It's
a little more, little more than's a
1058
01:16:04.720 --> 01:16:08.680
little more aggressive. That has to
be it. And they're like yeah,
1059
01:16:08.800 --> 01:16:13.319
kids like this. Because my my
note on this is I actually I don't
1060
01:16:13.359 --> 01:16:16.439
care for the way he's singing on
this song. He like throughout the entire
1061
01:16:16.560 --> 01:16:19.430
rest of the record he's not doing
that, like, like, I don't
1062
01:16:19.430 --> 01:16:24.909
know. It's kind of like throady
and I almost I wrote different singer,
1063
01:16:24.949 --> 01:16:28.109
question mark. I have no idea. I don't like the way sounds on
1064
01:16:28.229 --> 01:16:31.630
it. So that's that's shocking to
me and also that's not me saying that
1065
01:16:31.670 --> 01:16:38.380
I think it sucks. It does
not deserve to be a single and it
1066
01:16:38.579 --> 01:16:41.979
just I'm not vibing on this one
the way that I'm vibing on the rest
1067
01:16:42.020 --> 01:16:45.060
of the songs. So so I
think a really interesting litmus test that we
1068
01:16:45.100 --> 01:16:49.890
can do now with spotify is that
you can look at play counts on stuff,
1069
01:16:50.130 --> 01:16:55.210
and so I'm always interested to see
on these older albums what gets the
1070
01:16:55.289 --> 01:17:00.569
play counts because often, obviously we're
way past single time, so singles aren't
1071
01:17:00.569 --> 01:17:03.680
necessarily getting like the play that like
it would if it was a single right
1072
01:17:03.720 --> 01:17:09.199
now. Okay, that's going to
be super weighted. So walking downtown has
1073
01:17:09.279 --> 01:17:13.640
like three hundred seventy nine thousand,
which is on par for a lot of
1074
01:17:13.720 --> 01:17:15.710
the record. It's like, cannot
be a close. Second is little less
1075
01:17:15.750 --> 01:17:19.109
than that. You know, Paula
sparks is a little bit more than that.
1076
01:17:19.869 --> 01:17:23.270
What do you I mean? What
do you think the one with the
1077
01:17:23.350 --> 01:17:28.390
most is? Without looking it,
if I had to guess, which saw
1078
01:17:28.630 --> 01:17:30.420
like how about this? Are you
asking me which song I think is the
1079
01:17:30.460 --> 01:17:33.420
best, though? Which Song do
you think has the house plays on spotify
1080
01:17:34.819 --> 01:17:41.859
of this album? So for me
I think take care is as a jam
1081
01:17:42.460 --> 01:17:47.489
like take care has five hundred sixty
three thousand, which is more. Has
1082
01:17:47.569 --> 01:17:51.010
More, but it's not the top. The top one has two point four
1083
01:17:51.050 --> 01:17:57.409
million. It is it is it
coughed Hof, it's coffee. What?
1084
01:17:58.800 --> 01:18:01.079
That's cool. I mean. So
I mean it literally. Do you know,
1085
01:18:01.800 --> 01:18:04.840
do you not? Number two is
right with almost a million. That
1086
01:18:05.000 --> 01:18:09.000
was my brightest. Oh yeah,
brighte, great guess for one, but
1087
01:18:09.039 --> 01:18:13.829
I was like it can't be that
obvious. But isn't that interesting that,
1088
01:18:13.949 --> 01:18:16.149
like, you know, brightest,
which is like so many people maybe leave
1089
01:18:16.189 --> 01:18:20.069
off an album, is clearly resonates
with people? I mean to me,
1090
01:18:20.229 --> 01:18:26.029
when you look at spotify plays like
it's clearly what when different songs have different
1091
01:18:26.029 --> 01:18:30.020
play counts, it's because people are
putting them on playlist or they're jam and
1092
01:18:30.060 --> 01:18:32.460
them all the time or whatever the
especially now that people are still playlist centric
1093
01:18:32.460 --> 01:18:36.779
and stuff and shuffling and whatnot.
And so I just think it's interesting that
1094
01:18:36.899 --> 01:18:42.689
like the two songs that I wouldn't
have guessed would have be as popular are
1095
01:18:43.850 --> 01:18:46.090
the most popular, and by a
lot to because walking downtown has, like
1096
01:18:46.130 --> 01:18:49.890
I said, three hundred seventy nine
thousand, verses about a million for brightest
1097
01:18:49.970 --> 01:18:54.010
and two point four for coffee.
Now it's just interesting to me, like
1098
01:18:54.250 --> 01:18:59.960
and it's in. Yeah, and
it. But it also kind of proves
1099
01:18:59.960 --> 01:19:01.199
your point, Kyle. I think
that it makes it not a great single
1100
01:19:01.239 --> 01:19:05.279
because if it was a great single, most bands, their top tracks of
1101
01:19:05.319 --> 01:19:10.470
an album are going to be the
singles, just the natural occurrence of it.
1102
01:19:10.550 --> 01:19:13.989
And I know they were at small
indie label and the band, I
1103
01:19:14.029 --> 01:19:16.149
mean that's like you probably sought out
the video. I'm sure it was shown
1104
01:19:16.189 --> 01:19:20.430
on fuse and MTV two and stuff
like that some, but you know,
1105
01:19:20.590 --> 01:19:25.340
I realize they weren't at the level
of like all Marin rejects singles or something.
1106
01:19:25.739 --> 01:19:30.060
Well, I think that also.
So it sounds. I I guess
1107
01:19:30.100 --> 01:19:32.659
I get why it was the single. One. I think about that time
1108
01:19:32.779 --> 01:19:38.539
and maybe other bands that were popular, but like they didn't sound like those
1109
01:19:38.569 --> 01:19:42.449
bands. And all the special moments
on this record don't sound like this song.
1110
01:19:43.250 --> 01:19:45.329
And so, yes, just I
agree with you, kyle, it
1111
01:19:45.449 --> 01:19:50.170
doesn't it really. I liked the
song fine, but it doesn't fit as
1112
01:19:50.289 --> 01:19:54.560
well on this like it feels out
of place more than anything else on this
1113
01:19:54.680 --> 01:19:58.399
record. Yeah, makes you wonder
if it was one of those like later.
1114
01:19:59.279 --> 01:20:00.640
Well, I mean it can sometimes
and go either way, early on
1115
01:20:00.760 --> 01:20:04.239
in the process or later on in
the process, like Oh, we got
1116
01:20:04.399 --> 01:20:06.590
this and what do you think of
this? We tried at this, we
1117
01:20:06.710 --> 01:20:12.630
tried something like this and came up
with this like an an afterthought or like
1118
01:20:13.109 --> 01:20:17.869
early demo. I wonder, I
wonder what the how this started, because
1119
01:20:18.189 --> 01:20:20.859
for me it's not a single.
You know. I feel like they didn't
1120
01:20:20.859 --> 01:20:25.220
love it either, though, because
they didn't. I remember specifically they didn't.
1121
01:20:25.300 --> 01:20:27.619
They kind of chuck it at the
back of it out because one time
1122
01:20:27.619 --> 01:20:31.420
I yeah, and I asked about
it because we knew a girl that dated
1123
01:20:31.460 --> 01:20:36.090
him when the second record was out. Hey, did he make out with
1124
01:20:36.130 --> 01:20:40.489
you to walk in downtown? No, but like I was I was just
1125
01:20:40.649 --> 01:20:44.609
like, I was just talking about
thee and there were two songs that I
1126
01:20:44.689 --> 01:20:46.729
was really surprised weren't in the set
list, and this was one of them,
1127
01:20:46.770 --> 01:20:49.640
because I remember just being like,
I mean, it's just interesting that
1128
01:20:49.680 --> 01:20:54.039
they didn't play the single or whatever, and I don't remember the explanation anything.
1129
01:20:54.079 --> 01:20:57.880
The other explanation for one of the
songs was all the enough your love
1130
01:20:57.880 --> 01:21:00.760
as a fast song, and it's
because she was just like belting that part
1131
01:21:00.800 --> 01:21:04.829
of the end every night, just
kind of where's your vocals out? So
1132
01:21:04.949 --> 01:21:09.149
I remember her explanation for that.
But, you know, I don't remember
1133
01:21:09.149 --> 01:21:11.350
walking that, but I remember they
didn't play it because I remember just being
1134
01:21:11.350 --> 01:21:14.149
like, Oh, that's interesting,
because but I don't feel like it was
1135
01:21:14.229 --> 01:21:16.510
like a screw you either, you
know how like like Kennan Crow's not playing
1136
01:21:16.510 --> 01:21:19.500
Mr Jones because they felt kind of
weird about it or whatever, because then
1137
01:21:19.500 --> 01:21:23.579
they were famous and it's a song
about wanting to be famous. I get
1138
01:21:23.659 --> 01:21:27.020
that that's a little bit weird maybe, but I feel like they probably just
1139
01:21:27.140 --> 01:21:30.739
thought it was like an okay song
and and didn't feel like it had a
1140
01:21:30.779 --> 01:21:34.050
great spot in their set list.
But anyway, it's interesting. So it
1141
01:21:34.130 --> 01:21:38.369
might just been a total label move. It probably was, would be my
1142
01:21:38.449 --> 01:21:43.369
guess. But shall we go to
the last track when finally set free?
1143
01:21:44.649 --> 01:22:21.020
Let's do it. There we go. Chris thoughts. You know, I'm
1144
01:22:21.060 --> 01:22:27.060
not sure what's going on with this
song. That's kind of just a showcase
1145
01:22:27.140 --> 01:22:30.770
of like different things happening musically and
I don't know, man, I guess
1146
01:22:30.810 --> 01:22:34.609
you have to end this end an
album somehow. I think Chroma, if
1147
01:22:34.609 --> 01:22:39.609
I remember correctly, has a song
called a that ends in a similar way.
1148
01:22:39.890 --> 01:22:45.439
Totally rips this off. Okay,
I'm not crazy, and not in
1149
01:22:45.600 --> 01:22:47.119
a yeah, no, not,
I mean it. Look, we've been
1150
01:22:47.159 --> 01:22:50.560
talking about like influences and stuff like
that, but like that, yeah,
1151
01:22:50.680 --> 01:22:56.359
on that chromo album, that last
copy. Um, it's not, technically
1152
01:22:56.359 --> 01:22:59.310
because really that that song on chrome, which I do like, but it's
1153
01:22:59.390 --> 01:23:01.869
really it's like it's like the last
track on that John Billy and Chorn.
1154
01:23:01.949 --> 01:23:05.109
It's actually like it has clips of
the other songs in it, like melody
1155
01:23:05.189 --> 01:23:09.710
lines and stuff like that. So
it's kind of a cool thing, although
1156
01:23:10.550 --> 01:23:13.420
the downside to it, I would
say, for cartel, would be that
1157
01:23:14.380 --> 01:23:16.859
I had been listening to that album
for a long time before I realized it
1158
01:23:16.979 --> 01:23:20.539
had parts from other songs in it, because that's how much that album kind
1159
01:23:20.579 --> 01:23:25.699
of more together a little bit.
Sometimes it's like I was like, Oh,
1160
01:23:25.779 --> 01:23:29.090
wait, that's the line from tracks. Oh they're doing a thing,
1161
01:23:29.210 --> 01:23:31.409
and I didn't catch on to it
for that long. But yes, it
1162
01:23:31.569 --> 01:23:39.289
had the same exact vibe of the
electronic stuff, which is clearly like Copeland
1163
01:23:39.289 --> 01:23:42.720
gets more into as it goes on. Like I think they didn't do much
1164
01:23:42.720 --> 01:23:44.880
of that on this one. But
like, as the album's go on,
1165
01:23:45.000 --> 01:23:48.560
like he's more especially like the really
recent stuff, and even did a side
1166
01:23:48.640 --> 01:23:54.680
project. Oh Gosh, what's it
called? Something Rabbit, I can't remember,
1167
01:23:54.720 --> 01:23:58.390
but with a guy where he there's
like it's all like programmed and him
1168
01:23:58.390 --> 01:24:00.989
singing over it and stuff like that. So I think he's into that kind
1169
01:24:00.029 --> 01:24:02.670
of thing. But it does feel
a little bit out of left field,
1170
01:24:02.710 --> 01:24:05.270
a little bit for the rest of
this record, I agree. But I
1171
01:24:05.350 --> 01:24:10.859
do like it as a last track
because it's kind of it feels like a
1172
01:24:10.899 --> 01:24:15.180
last track. It got like this
is yeah, it this songs utility is
1173
01:24:15.300 --> 01:24:18.939
like to kind of wrap everything up
and but it's not something you would like
1174
01:24:18.979 --> 01:24:21.220
put on a mixtape. You would, oh you've got to hear this Copeland
1175
01:24:21.260 --> 01:24:25.090
Song. You know, we when
finally set free it. It just,
1176
01:24:25.289 --> 01:24:29.529
you know, yeah, it's purpose
is like to fulfill the ending of this
1177
01:24:29.649 --> 01:24:34.970
album. Yeah, and I mean
look, this one like clearly about the
1178
01:24:35.010 --> 01:24:39.399
grandma, though I mean for most
of the most part we are kind of
1179
01:24:39.600 --> 01:24:43.880
maybe a little bit obscuring what we're
really talking about. But I mean this
1180
01:24:43.920 --> 01:24:46.760
one, I mean clearly, and
I think the the title says enough about
1181
01:24:46.760 --> 01:24:49.000
it. But so I like it. I think it's a good I think
1182
01:24:49.039 --> 01:24:54.470
it's good any track. Kyle,
where you at on it? I I
1183
01:24:54.590 --> 01:24:58.750
thought it was good. I thought
it I'm I'm probably somewhere in between you
1184
01:24:58.789 --> 01:25:00.949
guys. Like, I thought was
fine. I think a lot of the
1185
01:25:00.989 --> 01:25:05.430
stuff that's going on is cool and
and I think it sounds like an in
1186
01:25:05.710 --> 01:25:11.260
track. Yeah, which I'm all
for, the the in track that is
1187
01:25:11.539 --> 01:25:14.060
literally for the purpose of being being
the last track on the record. Like
1188
01:25:14.140 --> 01:25:17.739
I like that. I like it
more than we talked a lot about the
1189
01:25:17.779 --> 01:25:21.449
last two tracks of records and and
did they get the order right, and
1190
01:25:21.529 --> 01:25:25.489
I think we're right here. I
mean I think that it is weird to
1191
01:25:25.529 --> 01:25:29.369
have the single from the album be
the second to last track. It does
1192
01:25:29.409 --> 01:25:33.090
feel like it just is kind of
in there, and I almost agree.
1193
01:25:33.130 --> 01:25:35.680
You could almost like well, well, I guess we'll talk about that in
1194
01:25:35.680 --> 01:25:38.439
a second. So let's okay,
let's go to that. So let's go
1195
01:25:38.479 --> 01:25:42.039
to lasting impressions. Does it hold
up? And this will be an interesting
1196
01:25:42.039 --> 01:25:45.960
one because Chris and I are coming
from having heard this eighteen years ago and
1197
01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:47.479
Kyle's coming up from being brain new. So let's go to Kyle First,
1198
01:25:47.840 --> 01:25:51.590
because I'm interesting to interest to know
what you feel like listening to this now.
1199
01:25:53.949 --> 01:25:57.430
So, like I said before,
there's no way that I can listen
1200
01:25:57.470 --> 01:26:00.550
to this and not like there are
a couple times that I mentioned I immediately
1201
01:26:00.590 --> 01:26:05.380
thought of other songs from other artists. So I can't, I can't listen
1202
01:26:05.420 --> 01:26:11.779
to it without recognizing who it influenced. And so yeah, I mean I
1203
01:26:11.819 --> 01:26:16.140
think it hold it holds up.
It it inspired other artists to make music
1204
01:26:16.220 --> 01:26:23.729
that I love and in it still
sounds it's still sounds really good and like,
1205
01:26:24.170 --> 01:26:27.250
although it captures a moment in time, I think like, sound wise,
1206
01:26:27.609 --> 01:26:32.680
it doesn't sound bad, you know, like it's still sounds good and
1207
01:26:32.880 --> 01:26:36.600
it's still rocks. So yeah,
I think so. Chris, what are
1208
01:26:36.600 --> 01:26:42.880
your thoughts on it holding up?
You know it. There are some songs
1209
01:26:42.920 --> 01:26:47.590
that are, I don't want to
use the word dated as in meaning I
1210
01:26:47.670 --> 01:26:50.069
don't want it sound like it,
like they're from a time and like they
1211
01:26:50.109 --> 01:26:55.670
just don't have relevance anymore. But
it, Kyle, what Kyle was saying
1212
01:26:56.310 --> 01:26:59.109
could not have struck a stronger chord
with me about it just like taking you
1213
01:26:59.229 --> 01:27:03.699
to a time and place. So
in some respects, in that way.
1214
01:27:03.699 --> 01:27:06.939
I almost want to say it doesn't
quite hold up, but it that doesn't
1215
01:27:06.939 --> 01:27:13.260
end up being true at all because
revisiting the record, I kind of learned
1216
01:27:13.380 --> 01:27:16.409
to respect like what was happening musically
in a new and more profound way that
1217
01:27:16.489 --> 01:27:19.770
I didn't when I was younger.
And I mean I know we talked,
1218
01:27:19.810 --> 01:27:24.289
me went nuts about the coffee song, but it at this is still mature,
1219
01:27:24.609 --> 01:27:27.890
incredible song. I mean that I
feel like I need to put that
1220
01:27:28.010 --> 01:27:32.039
on like, like on Dinner Party
playlists and things like that. Like it
1221
01:27:32.319 --> 01:27:39.159
just they just have some really interesting
musical things that they did. They and
1222
01:27:39.319 --> 01:27:42.039
even though they kind of captured the
essence of the era at the time,
1223
01:27:42.079 --> 01:27:45.510
I also think that it absolutely holds
up. There's a few songs that kind
1224
01:27:45.550 --> 01:27:48.949
of feel a little like like maybe
they should just stay back in that time,
1225
01:27:49.029 --> 01:27:51.550
like they don't like they don't hold
up quite as well as they would
1226
01:27:51.550 --> 01:27:54.750
today. Yeah, you couldn't play
it for a younger kid today. Be
1227
01:27:54.829 --> 01:27:56.949
Like it in the school and they
bilge. That's not cool. Yeah,
1228
01:27:57.510 --> 01:28:00.260
do it sound like all other emo
to them? Yeah, I mean it
1229
01:28:00.539 --> 01:28:03.779
them's these like you know these there's
these variations on that that our guard dude,
1230
01:28:03.979 --> 01:28:08.260
that's not the case at all.
Yeah, I think so. For
1231
01:28:08.380 --> 01:28:11.699
me, I really love this record, but I also feel like there are
1232
01:28:12.140 --> 01:28:16.329
definitely parts of it that felt like
they were doing what was, I don't
1233
01:28:16.369 --> 01:28:19.090
want say popular, because I don't
feel like this record sounds like some other
1234
01:28:19.130 --> 01:28:21.770
thing or something like that at the
time, but some of it does feel
1235
01:28:21.810 --> 01:28:25.930
like, oh, but that's,
you know, that's what you know,
1236
01:28:26.689 --> 01:28:30.000
whereas when they took the risks,
I feel like they got rewarded more.
1237
01:28:30.159 --> 01:28:31.199
I mean, you look at the
spotify play count and you look at like
1238
01:28:31.520 --> 01:28:36.680
brightest and coffee, and I mean
I think even in Paula sparks and California
1239
01:28:36.720 --> 01:28:40.359
kind of with that going on and
stuff, because I think those are the
1240
01:28:40.399 --> 01:28:43.310
ones that most people were like super
attracted to at the time. Those were
1241
01:28:43.350 --> 01:28:45.550
the kind of songs that everyone was
like, if they were going to play
1242
01:28:45.550 --> 01:28:46.789
a song for someone who was like
those two songs, I go check this
1243
01:28:46.869 --> 01:28:50.949
out. But some of it does
feel like, you know, I can
1244
01:28:50.989 --> 01:28:54.829
see how it would like blend with
a lot of other stuff that happened around
1245
01:28:54.869 --> 01:28:57.500
them, but I do wonder,
like, I mean, how much of
1246
01:28:57.579 --> 01:29:00.779
that is because they influenced people and
then it we're really we really have the
1247
01:29:00.859 --> 01:29:08.100
fatigue from other people doing what Copeland
did and so which is kind of interesting
1248
01:29:08.100 --> 01:29:11.050
because I feel like there was a
lot more. Keep in mind the other
1249
01:29:11.130 --> 01:29:14.850
thing that happened right around this time
is that cold play is gigantic, and
1250
01:29:14.930 --> 01:29:16.409
so copeland got a lot of like, oh, they're kind of cold players,
1251
01:29:16.409 --> 01:29:20.369
which I think is mostly because he
played piano sometimes and had and sang
1252
01:29:20.409 --> 01:29:25.279
falsetto sometimes. I really don't hear
a lot of similarities between those two bands,
1253
01:29:25.680 --> 01:29:29.640
but you did have a lot of
people start sounding like, I feel
1254
01:29:29.680 --> 01:29:32.399
like, in the vein of that
kind of thing and doing the falsetto thing
1255
01:29:32.479 --> 01:29:36.680
and some of that stuff, and
so I think people got a little bit
1256
01:29:39.510 --> 01:29:43.350
worn down by it a little bit
maybe at the time. There's just so
1257
01:29:43.470 --> 01:29:45.430
much of that going on time and
it is so odd to think this this
1258
01:29:45.590 --> 01:29:48.550
kind of predated that. I mean
in some ways they yeah, a little
1259
01:29:48.550 --> 01:29:54.340
bit like so, let's see,
I'd have to look up. I mean
1260
01:29:54.340 --> 01:29:58.180
I know that rushable of the head
came out two thousand and two, so
1261
01:29:58.340 --> 01:30:01.619
that came out just the year,
like about eight months before this album came
1262
01:30:01.659 --> 01:30:05.220
out, and that album was obviously
really big and the scientist and all that
1263
01:30:05.340 --> 01:30:08.930
stuff, and so I, you
know, I feel like a lot of
1264
01:30:09.010 --> 01:30:13.250
people start doing that thing, and
so I think that's why it feels like
1265
01:30:13.409 --> 01:30:15.090
two thousand and three. It's not
so much that, it's because there was
1266
01:30:15.130 --> 01:30:19.689
so much that came after it that
sounded like in this sort of vain ish
1267
01:30:21.159 --> 01:30:26.000
but I think it's still a good
record, which brings us to the next
1268
01:30:26.000 --> 01:30:29.359
one. Is it their best album? And I'm going to guess that,
1269
01:30:29.399 --> 01:30:33.239
Kyle just stuff half enough knowledge of
the discography to know. Although did you
1270
01:30:33.319 --> 01:30:36.470
listen to the other albums at all, Kyle? I did. That's okay
1271
01:30:36.510 --> 01:30:41.710
thing. So, like I listened
a let me see, I don't.
1272
01:30:41.789 --> 01:30:45.909
I didn't listen them, to them
enough to like have everything all there.
1273
01:30:45.470 --> 01:30:49.100
Did you have one that like just
stuck out more the first time you listen
1274
01:30:49.180 --> 01:30:51.420
to it? I mean, you
are assume you didn't get to do a
1275
01:30:51.539 --> 01:31:02.500
deep dive on any of them.
So I believe the Copeland Record I listened
1276
01:31:02.539 --> 01:31:09.329
to the most is you are my
sunshine. HMM. So, so that
1277
01:31:09.409 --> 01:31:13.369
one I kind of but but I
also don't feel like I'm qualified. I
1278
01:31:13.569 --> 01:31:15.529
listened to other Copeland records, but
I don't feel like I'm qualified to answer
1279
01:31:15.569 --> 01:31:18.520
this question. That's okay. I
mean I feel like I'm not aways just
1280
01:31:18.640 --> 01:31:24.199
interested to know what you think.
By you I mean obviously I'm interested what
1281
01:31:24.239 --> 01:31:26.880
you think, but I'm also interested
in, like, what anyone that hasn't
1282
01:31:26.960 --> 01:31:30.199
like delved into a catalog and isn't
already a fan thinks, because I think
1283
01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:35.949
sometimes you with the those people have
the most interesting opinions because they're they're literally
1284
01:31:35.989 --> 01:31:40.510
void of any of the like baggage, you know, because there's some people
1285
01:31:40.550 --> 01:31:42.630
are like, oh, I like
their old stuff because it's before they were
1286
01:31:42.670 --> 01:31:45.590
popular, which is like my least
favorite thing people say, and then there's
1287
01:31:45.590 --> 01:31:47.539
other people that are like, you
know, they just like whatever was the
1288
01:31:47.579 --> 01:31:51.260
thing they were introduced to, like
that's the album that in and no one
1289
01:31:51.340 --> 01:31:54.659
really has an objective view of it. I mean, I know it's a
1290
01:31:54.699 --> 01:31:59.659
subjective thing you're asking people about music, but I just enjoy asking people like,
1291
01:31:59.739 --> 01:32:00.810
when you haven't heard any of it, what's the one that stuck with
1292
01:32:00.850 --> 01:32:03.329
you? So it's interesting. That's
I think it's I think it's your my
1293
01:32:03.409 --> 01:32:11.649
sunshine for me, Chris, do
you have an opinion? It's it's crazy.
1294
01:32:11.689 --> 01:32:14.250
It Cole said that, like being
you, I don't know, emotions
1295
01:32:14.289 --> 01:32:17.720
kind of hard to beat, though
too it's also a great record. I
1296
01:32:17.800 --> 01:32:23.479
feel like they did a really good
job for software. Record in motion is,
1297
01:32:23.680 --> 01:32:28.159
to me, a step up from
this record. And then eat sleep
1298
01:32:28.239 --> 01:32:31.470
repeat, I think, is my
favorite, though. It's just I feel
1299
01:32:31.470 --> 01:32:34.630
like they did a nice little ramp
up. And what's weird is that I
1300
01:32:34.949 --> 01:32:38.869
really did not like eat sleep repete
when it first came out, and it
1301
01:32:38.949 --> 01:32:42.670
took me. It probably took me
like five or six listens of it,
1302
01:32:42.829 --> 01:32:45.699
and in fact I remember hearing eat
sleep like first of all it was just
1303
01:32:45.779 --> 01:32:48.739
the wrong place, wrong time.
I remember like being in my girlfriend's car
1304
01:32:49.020 --> 01:32:53.300
driving like through Ohio with no air
conditioning, with the windows down. You
1305
01:32:53.340 --> 01:32:58.180
can't list that's not a Copeland's not
that's not the vibe and none the vibe.
1306
01:32:58.260 --> 01:33:00.010
And then I remember like a venue
was playing it and finally I was
1307
01:33:00.090 --> 01:33:03.489
like okay, like, you know, with it in the background and kind
1308
01:33:03.489 --> 01:33:08.449
of not and I was started like
noticing things like because I wasn't actively listening,
1309
01:33:08.489 --> 01:33:10.250
and that's when I was like,
wait a minute, I think I
1310
01:33:10.329 --> 01:33:12.489
liked this record. And then I
started listening that I was like, okay,
1311
01:33:12.529 --> 01:33:14.720
no, I think so. I
think easleep peat is my favorite one,
1312
01:33:15.279 --> 01:33:18.880
although I've never done the excera twin
thing for you guys. Right,
1313
01:33:19.239 --> 01:33:23.000
Nope, you keep promising you all. We got to do it sometimes.
1314
01:33:23.079 --> 01:33:26.119
So, for those that know don't
know that Copeland when they so, they
1315
01:33:26.159 --> 01:33:28.350
took like a hiatus in like two
thousand and ten. They come back in
1316
01:33:28.430 --> 01:33:31.550
two thousand and fourteen, I think, and do a record called Excera,
1317
01:33:31.909 --> 01:33:35.270
and they did it like kind of
crowdfunding style. They did like the hey,
1318
01:33:35.590 --> 01:33:39.590
you know, help us make this
record, and so part of the
1319
01:33:39.710 --> 01:33:42.140
deal of that if, of course
I was a huge coupelan fan, so
1320
01:33:42.220 --> 01:33:44.020
I was like, I will pay
you the money and let you make the
1321
01:33:44.100 --> 01:33:46.460
record. will part of the deal
of that is like everyone that did the
1322
01:33:46.539 --> 01:33:50.420
pre order basically help fund the record, got this version of the record that
1323
01:33:50.500 --> 01:33:56.170
had two discs and two totally different
mixes of the record that you could play
1324
01:33:56.210 --> 01:34:01.050
independent, independently or together. So
there were literally vocal parts on one CD
1325
01:34:01.250 --> 01:34:05.930
that weren't on the other one and
there were like parts that and so you
1326
01:34:05.970 --> 01:34:09.890
could listen to them individually, like
it was a mix. It wasn't like
1327
01:34:10.680 --> 01:34:14.479
a u. But then weird if
you list a one like you could list
1328
01:34:14.560 --> 01:34:15.640
of one or the other. Yeah, and you listen one to the other
1329
01:34:15.800 --> 01:34:19.199
or you could listen to together.
So they're like literally it was like you
1330
01:34:19.239 --> 01:34:23.039
either have to get you have to
get to CD players. So what I
1331
01:34:23.159 --> 01:34:26.029
did was, like I, of
course, you know, went full nerd
1332
01:34:26.149 --> 01:34:29.590
on it and put it in logic
and then I can run two speakers through
1333
01:34:29.630 --> 01:34:32.350
my sound card behind me into in
front of me and you I can play
1334
01:34:32.390 --> 01:34:35.789
the whole thing and like this weird
surround sound thing. But it's not like
1335
01:34:35.909 --> 01:34:41.140
a gimmicky thing. It's like the
coolest production thing I've ever heard on a
1336
01:34:41.220 --> 01:34:44.619
record, like ever. And so, but unfortunate. Mean it literally I
1337
01:34:44.659 --> 01:34:46.539
have to set up a second set
of speakers and like you have to come
1338
01:34:46.659 --> 01:34:50.539
sit in this chair that I'm sitting
in in my office and and listen to
1339
01:34:50.539 --> 01:34:53.449
the record. So yeah, we
need you, Kyle. You got to
1340
01:34:53.489 --> 01:34:56.649
come do it sometime because it's got
some stuff on it that I'm just like,
1341
01:34:56.850 --> 01:35:00.529
it's amazing. It's not necessarily my
favorite album of there's song for Song
1342
01:35:00.609 --> 01:35:05.890
Wise, but production wise it's the
coolest thing and a pretty ambitious thing to
1343
01:35:05.970 --> 01:35:10.960
do for a band that like literally
crowdfunded the record to do it. They're
1344
01:35:10.960 --> 01:35:13.199
like yeah, we're going to mix
to eight, and I think it was
1345
01:35:13.279 --> 01:35:15.600
actually a little delayed. They were
like hey, we're going to send you
1346
01:35:15.680 --> 01:35:18.800
the twin version, but it's delayed
because it took a lot longer for us
1347
01:35:18.800 --> 01:35:23.109
to we thought this would be easier
than it was. It was a lot
1348
01:35:23.189 --> 01:35:27.149
harder to mix, apparently, to
records that then work well when you play
1349
01:35:27.149 --> 01:35:30.149
them together. So I think that's
one of the more creative things I've ever
1350
01:35:30.229 --> 01:35:32.949
heard someone do. So I feel
like he just got better after this album.
1351
01:35:32.949 --> 01:35:35.340
But it's still a really good album
and I don't want a dog on
1352
01:35:35.420 --> 01:35:39.819
it. But I'm with you,
Chriss. I think in motions a fantastic
1353
01:35:39.939 --> 01:35:42.979
record and edges this one out a
little bit. And then eat, sleep,
1354
01:35:43.020 --> 01:35:45.819
repeat also edges those both out.
And I love you, are my
1355
01:35:45.899 --> 01:35:48.859
sunshine. To Cole, I really
feel like it's a little like Jimmy eat
1356
01:35:48.899 --> 01:35:51.770
world for me. I really just
like those four records a lot. It's
1357
01:35:51.810 --> 01:35:56.210
hard for me to pick. So
that's my long winded way of saying no,
1358
01:35:56.369 --> 01:35:59.250
I don't think it's their their best
album, but it's not still very
1359
01:35:59.289 --> 01:36:02.649
good. And then I always ask
is it their most important album? It's
1360
01:36:02.689 --> 01:36:05.760
our no, with a smaller band
like this. I mean I think it's
1361
01:36:05.800 --> 01:36:11.680
a great debut record, but oh
absolutely, I think they did cooler stuff
1362
01:36:11.800 --> 01:36:16.680
with the stuff that followed. Yep, yeah, okay. So desert island
1363
01:36:16.720 --> 01:36:19.829
songs. Two or three of your
favorites, Kyle, I'm interested to hear
1364
01:36:19.909 --> 01:36:28.909
yours. So my three are brightest, take care and she changes her mind.
1365
01:36:30.670 --> 01:36:34.260
Those are good ones, Chris.
What are yours? I love brightest.
1366
01:36:34.300 --> 01:36:36.859
I like I said, my near
and dear to my heart. Is
1367
01:36:38.220 --> 01:36:43.300
just great memories of hearing that Song
for the first time on Rory's floor,
1368
01:36:43.500 --> 01:36:47.609
like in you know, sleeping my
sleeping bag. Ten Ten second ESP so
1369
01:36:47.810 --> 01:36:51.210
I didn't have to worry about getting
excited, no shaking the CD player with
1370
01:36:51.489 --> 01:36:57.170
with the thrill. It wasn't going
to skip. And then when Paul sparks
1371
01:36:57.250 --> 01:37:02.000
that songs just impossible beat. Coffee, man, love coffee. Tommy's a
1372
01:37:02.039 --> 01:37:04.640
great song. It's really hard for
me to pick three on this one.
1373
01:37:05.199 --> 01:37:12.239
I think I go. I think
they are cannot be a close second because,
1374
01:37:12.319 --> 01:37:15.359
you know, I ripped it off
and whatnot. It's a great song
1375
01:37:15.520 --> 01:37:17.789
and I think I have to go. Paula sparks in California back to back,
1376
01:37:17.989 --> 01:37:21.869
but it's so hard to beat.
It's really hard to leave brightest off
1377
01:37:21.949 --> 01:37:27.510
this list, though, because it
really is a beautiful song. So yeah,
1378
01:37:27.510 --> 01:37:29.949
I think those would be my three. What about nobody's perfect? I
1379
01:37:30.020 --> 01:37:32.899
think we know that Kyle's is going
to be walking downtown. Is that fair
1380
01:37:32.979 --> 01:37:35.939
to fair to guess based on your
the single? No for you, dog.
1381
01:37:36.340 --> 01:37:40.260
So the single. I mean it's
that the first time a single has
1382
01:37:40.340 --> 01:37:44.369
gotten the it's a no for me
dog. Nobody's perfect on this podcast.
1383
01:37:44.449 --> 01:37:46.729
So single it just means some people
at the label pick, like you know,
1384
01:37:47.050 --> 01:37:49.609
I don't know, like blindfold themselves
it, put their finger down on
1385
01:37:49.689 --> 01:37:53.890
the track listing right, but they
think that's the track that's going to attract
1386
01:37:53.930 --> 01:37:59.800
people to the band in the album
wrong, and so I do wonder if
1387
01:37:59.800 --> 01:38:02.600
they could have benefited from a from
a better single decision. But I don't
1388
01:38:02.600 --> 01:38:05.439
know. I mean I have no
idea what went into it. Chris,
1389
01:38:05.600 --> 01:38:09.640
is that yours or do you have
a different one now? It was mine.
1390
01:38:09.960 --> 01:38:12.640
I didn't talk much about it,
but yeah, that that song just
1391
01:38:12.720 --> 01:38:16.390
feels very ubrupt to me. Just
kind of comes up, comes at you
1392
01:38:16.470 --> 01:38:19.029
a little too hot. I'm with
Kyle and that one. That was that
1393
01:38:19.229 --> 01:38:24.989
was my robe under face too.
I think I'm yeah, rhyming town with
1394
01:38:25.069 --> 01:38:28.180
town, not yeah. I think
I'm with you guys too. I think
1395
01:38:28.220 --> 01:38:31.500
I I think that might be the
weakest song on the record. I don't
1396
01:38:31.500 --> 01:38:36.340
think it's a which is just weird. Like I said, it's not.
1397
01:38:36.539 --> 01:38:40.380
It's not bad. It just doesn't
feel like there rest the record and it's
1398
01:38:40.420 --> 01:38:45.649
not a bad song. It just
feels like nobody's perfect exactly. We're not
1399
01:38:45.770 --> 01:38:48.569
saying terrible. It didn't get a
crap sandwich from Chris. It's not that
1400
01:38:48.770 --> 01:38:54.489
bad. No, no, growing
out of Shit. No, it's not
1401
01:38:54.529 --> 01:38:57.000
even bad. It's a still good
song. We're just literally we have to
1402
01:38:57.079 --> 01:38:59.359
do this if we're going to pick
one. Okay, it's the law.
1403
01:39:00.479 --> 01:39:02.840
Growing out a shower. You guys
have a one. That I maybe wasn't
1404
01:39:02.840 --> 01:39:05.119
your favorite one. Yeah, you, kyle can't have one. He's only
1405
01:39:05.199 --> 01:39:09.760
listened this record for the first time
like ever. Chris, do you have
1406
01:39:09.880 --> 01:39:14.350
a grower out of shower? I
don't remember the song coffee having any influence
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on me whatsoever. I want to
revisit it. It was like my favorite
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song on the record, so obviously
that one wins hands down for me.
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I think it's just a word.
I think it's coffee or when finally set
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free. For me, I feel
like I didn't appreciate them as much and
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in and I also I don't think
I think the nostalgia of coffee, of
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the song coffee, you know,
of like Oh, like that didn't mean
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as much to me when I was
twenty, if that makes sense, like
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like going out and like the sentimentality
of that and the the lyrics just means
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so much more to me now as
someone that could not possibly go out of
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too in the morning to IOP but
I would maybe physically die. So you
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know, I think it sounds like
a nightmare, to be honest. Yeah,
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and so, yeah, I've not
been to an eyehop in I can't
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remember how long, and I've not
been to beverly's and forever, and I
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certainly haven't been either one of those
establishments after the hour of midnight. So
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you know, I feel like I'm
a little nostalgic for that maybe, and
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so that's why the song is also
grown on me. So I think I'm
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with you on those two. And
I think when finally set free is just
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because it is kind of a last
track kind of thing, and so I
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feel like it's it's a real kind
of grower and warm a kind of warm
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up on you. So well,
I think that's it for us. So
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thanks for listening and again, if
you like what you hear, you know,
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consider giving us a review on itunes
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little notification that says finding email has
a new podcast and you get all excited
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and I don't know what we're doing
next. We actually haven't picked it yet.
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So but you can send us disagreements
or comments or tell us that we
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got the state wrong that a band
is from. Any of these things are
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allowed. You can do them at
input, finding Emil pod or on any
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of the social media at finding Emoi
pod. Other than that, we will
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catch you next time. I
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Welcome to finding emo, our podcast
where we discussed our favorite albums from the
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early odds and thereabouts. I am
Blake Fisher, I'm joined by Chris Mounier
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and Kyle Simmons, and we love
that you are here listening to the podcast.
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We appreciate it. We appreciate you. We would also appreciate it if
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you gave us five star reviews.
We asked for this every time. We're
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going to keep asking for it because
we hope that you can. You know,
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just find it in your heart.
That's all we want for our collective
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birthdays. Christmas has July for us, labor days, Hannaka's, whatever the
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holidays are. Just give us reviews. That's all going to and tell your
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friends about it. Father's day coming
up. Father's Day is coming up.
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Yeah, I knowed, I bet, and I bet you didn't think of
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me. Did you listener? If
I if I will. That's if I
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was dying and I had to make
a wish, it would be that five
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stars before a five star review.
I don't want to. It wouldn't be.
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I wouldn't make a selfish wish and
asked for more life. I would
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make a selfless wish and wish for
five stars. Would you be mad,
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Kyle, if we continue the podcast
and just got someone else to fill your
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spot and just called Him Kyle?
Yeah, well, we could even find
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another kyle, probably. It's a
pretty common name. The requirements born on
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May fourth is to be born on
mayporth one thousand nine hundred and eighty two
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and have the name Kyle. In
going to be into, you know,
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two thousand emo music, you'll replace
me in no time. Randy Travis was
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born on May fourth. If you're
listening, Randy Randall, your next up.
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What if Randy Travis was a huge
emo Fan? He's got to be.
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It could happen. Cool. Yeah, I feel like country's kind of
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the original. lyrically it's more emo
than anything else. was like he's like,
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you know, happen right, man. I love Wyl and Jenny's but
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just nothing. It's my heart pumping
like a little good MCR man. That's
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are Drummond. That Mikey way can
play the bass. May I love it,
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man. I said that would come
my bangs down when no one else
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is around. Well, I mean
garth might be. I mean he was
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the original emo. HAIRCAST is the
Christ Games thing, right. So that's
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not too far off. That might
actually be the case. Anyway, we're
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glad you're here today. We were
talking about the two thousand and three debut
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album from Copeland, titled Beneath Medicine
Tree, and I'm the person that did
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the research, of which there's very
little information. This might be. I
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know we've talked about which albums have
the least amount of infrasion. This one
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is even less than the ones,
I think, that we've done before.
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Because what's your group? Not a
huge label. Copeland not a huge band.
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I mean they were eventually signed a
Sony Columbia, but only for like
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a year and I don't think it
went great, obviously, if they left
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like a year later. And so
not a lot of information about this.
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And there's just not you know,
believe it or not, when bands are
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starting out and they're young and they're
doing their debut album, they often don't
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have documentary crews following them around or
anything or to document the process. So
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here's what we know about it.
It was released March twenty five, two
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thousand and three, easy enough to
find the date it was released. Congratulations
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the Afrom engined militia group, label
and producers Matt Goldman and Copeland. So
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obviously Aaron Marsh does the singer of
Copeland Song and all that stuff, does
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production stuff as well. So that's
that's kind of the technical details. I
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really know nothing else about it other
than it was recorded in Florida, where
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they're from, and don't have any
idea of budget. I literally don't know
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how many records this souls. I
don't know any of that. I can't
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find it. I didn't do too
hard of a deep dive. Just giving
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you full disclosure. I've been traveling
this week. I did not get to
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dive as much as I wanted to, but I couldn't find anything when I
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looked. So we're going to basically
talk about a few fun facts and then
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we'll just get into the track by
track kind of stuff, if that works
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for you guys. So a couple
fun facts. I guess the title track
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did not make it on the album. I always wondered that. Beneath medicine
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treats. Yeah, yeah, but
it became your love as a fast song
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which ended up on in motion.
So it kind of got rewritten and redone
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and that song ends up on in
motion, which is one of my favorite
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songs on their second record. So
anyway, that's where the title kind of
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come from. Obviously, lot of
of sort of background of the of the
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album, whicheveryone's sort of knew at
the time was his grandma had died and
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his girlfriend was in the hospital.
So this is obviously very much about grief
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and loss and pain and and and
specifically medical style things. Hence the medicine
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tree stuff and whatnot, because obviously, if your girlfriend's in the hospital and
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your grandma dies in a short period
of time, hospitals are kind of a
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thing and so you know. So
that's not necessarily a fun fact, I
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guess a actually that of the think
about the fact that I called that a
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fun fact. I'm sorry, hilarious
little ditty about this album. Yeah,
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that's not a fun fact at all, I think, though, in the
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grand scheme of things, that's probably
why I think the lyrics have a little
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bit more weight than a lot of
albums for run there, because that's some
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real stuff going on. That's not
whine and about your girlfriend. That's like,
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Hey, my girlfriends in the hospital. That's a big problem. Vulturecom
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named when Paula sparks one of the
deepest and riches examinations of grief for that
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style of music is in the they
put it in their top one hundred emo
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songs. Wow, I mean it
was number ninety seven, but still I'd
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say that's high praise. Yeah,
it's good to make the top one hundred
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night albums, but songs, that's
a pretty good thing. I and this
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is more of a sort of fun
thing that I learned when I saw them
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live one time. So I'd seen
them on the kind of final tour and
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then they that was like two thousand
eight or whatever, a two, a
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thousand and nine, and then they
came back, got back to there in
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like two thousand and fourteen, did
another album and they toured with paramore and
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she told a story on stage about
how the very first show they ever played
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was opening for Copeland at the end
in Nashville, and so it's just kind
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of a cool, kind of full
circle thing to then be having like Copeland
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Open for paramore on there. That
was when their self titled Album was out
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and so, I mean they were
huge food like that was like they're big
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time of the time. So I
just thought that was a very cool thing
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that bands do for each other where
it's like, Hey, we like you
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because we've been friends for a long
time. We played a very first show
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with you and here we are taking
you out on tour again. And they
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had like string players and stuff with
them, which I've always kind of been
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like again, if Copeland can tour
string players, I don't understand why bands
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like cold play and others just they're
like, oh, we're just going to
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play the pro tools tracks. It
really infuriates me because I am going to
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guess that coldplay has more money than
Copeland. Just a guess, shot in
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the dark, right. Yeah,
I haven't seen those like synked up light
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bracelets any copeland shows. Those costs
a lot of money, I think,
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and so their whole string budget on
bracelet. That's they really did. So
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yeah, that's always generally accepted accounting
practice. It just really like when people
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take a string player on the road
or a sax player or whatever, it
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is like I think it's a cool
yeah, so more people should do that.
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So that's really the extent of what
I know about this album. And
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so let's just talk about kind of
first impressions. It's good to you first,
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Kyle. First Impressions of Beneath Medicine. Try and Copelin isn't as a
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general and this is actually one of
the first debut albums we've done in a
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while. Well, I am super
glad you went to me first, because
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I didn't share this with you guys
last time. My first impression I'm giving
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to you guys today. What,
like you hadn't listened to this album.
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Never listen to this album, and
what and so not. Here's you just
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not tell us that. When we
decided to do this album, I did
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not tell you that. Okay,
and and and I thought, you know
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what, this could be a cool
experiment, because we always ask whether it
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holds up and things like that.
Now I have to say obviously, just
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because of like comps and things like
that, and you feared songs I absolutely
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like. Honestly, I've heard probably
three quarters of the album. But,
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like, I never sense, I'd
never listen to it as the album.
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I'd never listened to it in order. And even like Paul sparks or when
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when Paul sparks is at right.
Yeah, because we did that one on
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the and I had parsis. I
had heard it, you know, prior
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to then. So, like,
I know some of these songs it's just
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I don't know this album at all. So okay. Well, I'm actually
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really excited about that because I feel
like you guys got a little bit of
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that when we did the mxpx record, because I hadn't really the same thing.
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I'd heard some of these songs,
I never really listened the album one,
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the huge mxpxpan. So I think
it's nice and it's also proves anyone
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listening how little we talked to each
other about what we're going to talk about,
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because we literally didn't know that Kyle
had never listened this album before.
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We're professional folks. Okay, so
let's let's hear your first impression as someone
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who very freshly has listened to this
and didn't start eighteen years ago like Chris
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and I. Okay, so interesting
plot twist. I did not get to
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hear this album in two thousand and
three, but I cannot remove all of
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the music I experienced in two thousand
and three from my memory. So like,
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while listening to this, I still
went to a place, you know
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what I mean, like it's so
similar, it's still bookmarked in time and
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and and like I'll get into it
on track by track, because there are
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specific tracks that I'm like, Oh
man, this reminds me so much of
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this, and then I would go
and look and it's like, nope,
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this came first. I just didn't
know. I think this came first,
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and a also well, and I
didn't I knew that Copeland influenced a lot
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of people and I knew that there
were plenty of Copeland songs that I really
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liked. But I also told you, told you guys on one of the
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other podcasts that the worst interaction I've
ever had with another human being was with
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Aaron Marsh of Copeland. And it's
by worst interaction you mean it was all
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you it followers, one hundred percent. It was me being terrible, and
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the weirdest part was like I was
not I I was only trying to be
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nice and like have fun with him, and none of my humor was hitting
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at all. It was coming across
as mean and right for those listening,
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I know you don't know me,
but I hope that you know that I
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don't pride myself in meanness. So, like, man, it was just
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terrible. As a matter of fact, I reached out to my buddy who,
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I told you guys, witnessed it
and tried to get a comment from
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him and Jason was like, man, if I told you, if I
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gave you a comment, it wouldn't
be it wouldn't be authentic. But he
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remembered it being bad. So so
I don't think I've made it worse in
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my memory. The worst part in
my memory is me saying yeah, you
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know, I'm just so excited to
hear the new record live, and he's
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like thanks, man, we worked
really hard and I don't know why I
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couldn't shut my freaking mouth and I
had to say no, I mean reliant
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Kay's new record and that was it. So Aaron, if you're listening,
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I'm really sorry. I think really
nice music. I really really good music.
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I think. I think in another
life we were mortal enemies. It
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could have happened. I mean really, yeah, it's true. I've never
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heard anyone and described kyle as being
mean or even having a like a like
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a bad day. We're like,
oh, it's probably just a bad day.
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Well, I was just and I
think you know. So he's just
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mess little frustrator, a literal dude
and also, in fairness, he'd never
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met me. The very first thing
I said I was like hey, man
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watch the paint job on our van
and if anyone knows what kind of Van
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I was rocking, it was ugly. That's awful. First of all,
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it was like c foam green kind
of, wasn't it? When it was
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up with blinds in the windows,
and he looked at me as if like
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he was like yeah, man,
of course, you know like to I'm
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kidding him. I don't know why
this. I'm so bad at this right
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now. So anyway, there's a
long way for me to say. My
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first impression was still kind of interesting
because I felt like I was whisked back
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to a time in a place,
and so I don't feel like I got
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to listen to it with new ears
exactly, because these ears have already been
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worn out by this kind of music. But it was still it was still
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fun to listen to it as an
album for the first time and and I
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enjoy it well. I'm excited to
go track my track and get to some
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of the questions at the end too, because I think that's really it's it's
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hard to always judge. It's like, am I being sentimental about this record,
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or does it really hold up?
Is it like you know, that's
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like a tricky I feel like that's
hard to judge sometimes. Well, Chris,
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what was what's yours? Do you
have a do you have a first
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impression of the band and or the
album from way back when I got I
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got a pretty sweet first impression because
we had just met one of the owners
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of militia group that day and we
were in Los Angeles and we didn't have
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a place to stay, and he's
like, Hey, why do'd you guys
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stay? My apartment? Be Happy
to have you guys over. Did you
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didn't humiliate him? Now? I'm
so sorry, Guy. Let's just be
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like. This story just ends with
me being an admirable house guest, saying
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saying wonderful farm facts the roar.
Yeah, yeah, cleaned up our sleeping
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bags real nice as a real crap
hole. Now I'm just kidding. No,
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Dude. So he gave he gave
us like Lee, like ten or
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twenty CDs from militia group and was
like hey, you guys can have these
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CDs, and we I was just
trying to find something to listen to to
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go to sleep, because I usually
list to music. Before podcasts were invented,
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I list of music before to go
to sleep. So I saw the
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artwork. If if you're not familiar
to ar work on this album in the
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original album is really cool. There
was like this thin don't you wouldn't call
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it rice paper, but it's almost
like it's like a wedding invitation. Yeah,
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clear with embossing on it kind of
thing. Yeah, so it still
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really stuck out to me and I
was like, Oh, I'll pop it
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in and of course the opening track, which we're going to go over in
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a second, it's just kind of
blew me away by how interesting it was
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and so yeah, let's do it
all night, and totally totally loved it.
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Funny Story, though, Kyle,
that kind of comes around to being
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a jackass, if I may,
though, is the next day this gentleman
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who was a ourt owner of the
militia group was writing in our van because
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there was a girl who was touring
with us and like helping us with merchant
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stuff, and it was he who
CD cases this and she goes, Oh,
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it's mine, and he opens it
up and there's like five burnt CDs
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from his record label, which was
not he goes, this is killing us,
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this is just killing us, and
we were all just like, oh
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my God, it's so awkward.
Why? Why? Why? At least
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it wasn't one of the band members
I had. I had a very firm
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no burning CDs policy, you know. I didn't want to steal music from
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the very craft that I was trying
to make it in. So I guess
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in a way kind of did something
funny. Yeah, that's not your thing.
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The same as me. Try,
but it is funny. It is
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it is interesting. So you were
into it, you. Yeah, it
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was. It was interesting because,
like, I was in a heavier music
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and you know, militia group,
like they have ruffio and acceptance. Acceptance
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isn't like a hard band, but
they have some harder song specially the earlier
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stuff. So I was not expecting
something so I don't know, breezy,
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mellow. Yeah, I'm mellow.
Yeah. So I liked it, though
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I feel like militia group was the
like the more like hey, we're going
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to more than drive through and vagrant
and and some of the other ones.
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They had more of that kind of
in their repertoire than I feel like that
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like a slightly chiller although this this
album has a lot of like like eighth
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note kick drum stuff go, and
I mean it's like it's pretty rocky actually.
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It's just like it's like the tones
are not maybe they're like the coultart
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like that super heavy guitar tones.
It's like that's really where they're dialing it
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back in the sounds. But you
know, as far as what's going on
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on the guitars and drums and stuff
like that, it's like it's pretty upbeaten
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stuff, especially compared to some of
their other stuff. But yeah, I
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feel like militia was kind of the
home for some of that stuff, like
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the little more chill. chills not
the right word either. It's just like
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a little more laid back. Yeah, stuff, and this was definitely one
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of them. I think I got
it from you, Chris. I mean
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I assume, since you came back
with the ced he's, I might have,
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but I know I had a physical
copy the CD, so I know
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I had to buy it at some
point. I must have, but I
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mean I think I did hear it
first from you, that I actually don't
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remember hearing it for the first time. I essentially weird because I really like
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Copeland. I really like this album. My memory, my first memory of
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like talking about this band is like
I can vaguely picture where we were,
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if somewhere over by the blue note
I think, and it was like some
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party outside and me and Chase Kirby
were just like for an hour talking about
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like because we both discovered copeland and
just loved it, and so that's like
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my first memory of remember like talking
about them and really liking it, but
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I don't remember actually the first time
hearing it or listening to it. We're
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just kind of funny. Think is
normally most these albums. I'm like,
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Oh, I remember I bought it
at this store and I listened to it
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and I can remember like a time
and place kind of thing, but for
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some reason this one I cannot remember
exactly. I just have that memory of
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chat with chase about it and mostly
being super impressed by his falsetto. I
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just like I loved his his voice. I thought it was so good.
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So that's kind of my first impression. Nothing, nothing too crazy, and
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I do just remember liking the like
the feel of the whole album and how
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the first like six tracks were just
kind of like this seamless, like kind
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of perfect thing. I really like
the whole record, but I just feel
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like those first six tracks are really
like a really great little thing, kind
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of like I feel like California's kind
of like the peak of that, that
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first six tracks, and then we
kind of do this for the rest of
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it, just kind of like flattened
out, and like in a good way,
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not in a bad way at all, just kind of like, you
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know, going from the brightest,
which is like super chill, especially for
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an opening track, and kind of
building up to that Paul Sparks in California
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duo of songs in the middle of
the record. Yeah, I just really
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liked it. Things really good.
So shall we just jump into track by
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track? Then? Let's do it. Let's do it. I will speaking
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of the brightest. That's the first
track we're going to do. Here we
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go a little fun. All Right, Chris, let's go to you first.
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I feel like I'm gonna go to
Chris First, more not because I
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don't like you, Kyle, I'm
just interested in like the old versus the
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new. Yeah, I did it. So anyway, Chris, what's your
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your thoughts on the brightest? God, what a freaking kick butt way to
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kick off a record. I just
I don't know, man. I thought,
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I think that starting off with a
ballad like that as a pretty brave
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way to just kick off a record, just him in the piano. I
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can tell you that it just completely
blew me away the first time I heard
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it. I was not a that's
just not what you expected to hear in
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your CD player at the time.
Like a first track is usually usually open
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with a Banger, even like,
even if you're a breezy, mellow band
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like you kick it off with something
a little more upbeat and it just it
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introduces you into to his voice very
quickly and you're like, Oh, this
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guy can sing and is a very
pretty song. And I was dating a
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girl who was deployed at the time, like so she was all the way
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across the ocean, very far away, and I I just remembers the kind
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of like Oh, I wish I
could play the song for her right now.
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It's weird to think there was no
way to get that music to her.
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Now you just email a tail or
whatever, like here's the spotify link
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message. Yeah, I just go
right here list the song. I love
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it. So, yeah, it
was. I thought it was absolutely,
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absolutely incredible. Very could just feel
the talent oozing out of the speakers,
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from them, from the moment I
heard it, or headphones in this case.
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Yeah, I think it was like
the I hadn't, no one had
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like opened an album like this.
I mean even the even the albums we've
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talked about that had like chiller openings, clarity, for example, or you
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know, stuff like that. It's
like the purpose of that of table for
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glasses is like it built into a
thing. You know, this is literally
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like piano, organ and Guitar and
vocals and there's like no click. It's
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like they're all kind of feeling it
and I'd like it's just like it was
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unlike anything that I was hearing in
two thousand and three. Everything else was.
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First of all, and even with
militia group, we joke all the
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time, Chris, about how they
just like, no matter what, they
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stacked the first two tracks on the
record to just be like holy cow like,
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and they were always the like.
It was always like a single,
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generally one of them. It was
always like like just really a one to
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punch. They were just that's what
they did really well, I feel like,
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and I don't know, this was
obviously pretty this is early in militia
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group too, and a very yeah, yeah, it's like one of the
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first things they released and and I
just feel like it's such a it's such
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a contrast what was happening at the
time. For sure, it's like it's
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the slowest song on the record.
It's not singlish at all. There's nothing
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about it that's like but it feels
like it would be in the middle of
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every other record we do on this
podcast. And they were like, nope,
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we're coming out the gates. This
is who we are. We've got
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piano, we're not afraid to be
vulnerable and it really sets the tone for
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the whole and I only say it
all the time, but like it's the
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right track for the beginning of it
because it really does kind of set the
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rest of it up really well.
But so, yeah, I love it.
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It's beautiful and I you're right,
immensely talented would be a great way
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to describe what's going on here.
I love the arrangement of it. Kyle,
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what are your thoughts on brightest as
an opening track? Had you heard
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brightest? It was that one of
the three fourth of the record you'd heard?
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So I don't think I had heard
brightest. Okay, and so what's
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funny about this is I really like
the song. It's really nice. Voice
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sounds wonderful. I love the line. What is it? And she said
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that I was the brightest little fireflyer
in her jar. But what's a trip
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is? I cannot because I heard
this after. My first initial thought when
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I heard this was like man,
this sounds so much. This vibe is
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we're so far away by May on
the Everglow, but the everglow didn't come
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out until two thousand and five.
Yep, two years later. And so
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it's a trip for me because,
and also, let me just say this,
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that's not meant to be an insult
to May or Copeland. Both songs
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rule, but it's it is trippy
because you're you know, you're talking about
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how this was. You know,
they were kind of pioneers of of this
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sound or even taking a stab at
starting off slow. And Yeah, I
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mean it was two years later before
may did it, and that I remember
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loving the crap out of that song. This has very strong may vibes for
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me and I agree and I'm I
think they're say that all both very similar.
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Yeah, that I mean it's not
in a not in a ripping each
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other. Oh not just both have
that. Like I feel like they're not
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afraid to like genre jump, not
like in a crazy way it's like they
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were starting to wrap in the middle
of these records or something like that,
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but I would be unexpected when you're
comfortable doing whatever works for the song,
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like I feel like they're really good
about male put a flute solo on something
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like if that's what the song requires. I think also what a lot of
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on this record where it reminds me
of May. It's a little bit of
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what you were doing earlier when you
were trying to describe how they still rock,
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but it's like different. Yeah,
that is may to a tea.
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I mean like they rock, but
it's it's not heavy and it's not fast,
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and a lot of this album is
that for me. I agree with
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that. And their first album came
out one month before this one did,
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February twenty five, two thousand and
three. So so yeah, really May
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and this record were two of the
ones that really kind of went I was
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like, Oh, this is kind
of opening me up to a different yet
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of thing. Like I you're right, they rock still, but they are
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not. It's not like they have
to be that all the time. I
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can tell that there are conversations.
It's like me and should we put this
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piano ballad without a click and three
instruments on it at the opening of the
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record? And I feel like yeah, you go it, yeah, why
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not? I mean it works,
you know. Yes, so I'm glad
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they did it. So I am
super glad they did it. Yes,
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I've I think it's a good,
good move. Shall we go on?
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So you feel like it's a strong
move to Kyle for the Oh, yeah,
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I mean I thought, I mean
when I like hearing the record in
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its entirety for the first time,
I was I say that it reminded me
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of that may song. But I
love, I love that band. For
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anybody listening that doesn't know this,
I named my daughter. Her middle name
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is may a mae, after the
band. So like that is high praise
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for me. And so, like
I was instantly in like Oh, this
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is gonna be good, and it
was a great it's a great opener.
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So agreed. Well, let's go
to the second track. Testing the strong
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ONESTA bust you out of years now. I've never seen your this time,
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never see your spirit. He'll do
Chris Nay's doing air guitar, so he
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gets to go first US how you
win this game. Oh, yeah,
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that's on testing the strong ones.
Bridge is so awesome. The weezer vibes
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that. You already said something about
the eighth notes, right, eight note
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kick stuff. Yeah, very much
a weezer thing. That I love that
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they did, and so many bands
from this time like did that and I
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never caught it because, like,
if it didn't sound like Weezer, I
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but if you played this kind of
music for somebody who like was kind of
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like just outside the Oh it's good, kind of like got a weezer thing
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going on, I get a yeah, you know, like yeah, I
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guess it does. The eighth don't
build up those kind of a weezer thing.
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This sounds cool. Love the Big
Jangly opening guitars. I don't think
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you can really emphasize enough how hard
it is for a rock musician to play
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songs at this tempo. I don't
know if you guys agree with me here,
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hard tempo, to play well well
and not rush exactly. I mean
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that's the specific part. Yeah,
and they do it really, really well.
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The drums sound perfect, though,
very nice, even though it's that
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just that weird tempo where you just
just want to like start jumping at it,
404
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but you can't. And then once
again we've got the the whole Song
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Christian knowing up to some cool endings. The something they do very well.
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It's good song. Yeah, I
love I mean, first of all it's
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six eight, but it doesn't feel
like six eight because of that eighth note
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kick. It's kind of weird.
If you isolated the drums on this,
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you would think the song was great. Like I don't know if you'd done
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done Dune, done, done Dune, don't done. Yeah, I mean
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like pick up metal, think something
else was happening right. Yeah, and
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then, but it's cool how it
goes from that like super chill roads and
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him doing that falsetto thing where it's
just like him on an island, like
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once again not covering anything up,
and then everything comes in with those big
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guitars and and I love it.
I mean I just I love that they
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are willing to go like up and
down and jump all around as far as
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the the feel of like Oh yeah, we're it makes it super dynamic because
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obviously if you just did that kick
drum the whole time, you get old
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about a minute into the song and
the kick drum. The drummer's leg would
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fall off to few if you had
to play that the eighth notes for the
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whole time, as Chris will attest
having to play those weezer songs in our
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weezercover band when he has to hang
out on the especially if we extend that
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last part of the sweater song.
Yeah, then I do the then I
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00:29:18.410 --> 00:29:22.730
do the slowdown for effect, but
it's really just because my glutes are screaming.
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00:29:23.210 --> 00:29:26.759
Exactly. So, kylew what your
thoughts on testing strong ones track to
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really like this track it it rocks
so hard. And also hats off to
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my arch nemesis Aaron Marsh, who
like when you can show I don't know
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that I'm ever more impressed by a
vocalist then when they can show range without
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volume change. Oh, that is
a really good point. Come and like
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00:29:57.180 --> 00:30:03.059
he's not. He the like he's
singing at this seems like he's not pushing,
431
00:30:03.099 --> 00:30:07.170
he's not singing at a different volume, but his range is crazy on
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00:30:07.289 --> 00:30:11.650
this song. So, yeah,
I mean I his lyrics are great.
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00:30:11.650 --> 00:30:15.809
I mean, I really, I
mean I like a lot of his stuff,
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but I just love the line about
like and I'll tell you I'm sorry
435
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that I can't take this pain away
from you and I put it on my
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own body if I knew how to. I mean, I just I think
437
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:26.039
that's a great like how you feel
totally helpless when someone you know is in,
438
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:30.000
yeah, the hospital or stick or
whatever, and you can do absolutely
439
00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:34.519
nothing about it. You know that
helplessness is. I feel like he captured
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00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:38.029
that really well in I mean,
I assume that's what's going on and,
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00:30:38.150 --> 00:30:42.349
like I said, it clearly this
is about either his grandma or his or
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00:30:42.430 --> 00:30:45.269
his girlfriend. I don't know which
one. The album kind of, I
443
00:30:45.349 --> 00:30:49.779
think, is mixing and matching those
a little bit, but I just think
444
00:30:49.819 --> 00:30:53.059
it's a great cinement. I think
most people have been there too, so
445
00:30:53.140 --> 00:30:56.940
it's super relatable and it's, way
I said, it's got a bigger depth
446
00:30:57.099 --> 00:31:02.740
to it than poor me, girls
don't like me or something like that.
447
00:31:02.859 --> 00:31:06.849
It's like I'm still mad, like
Oh, this is like a real situation.
448
00:31:06.930 --> 00:31:08.009
So I just feel like the weight
of that, but without it being
449
00:31:08.130 --> 00:31:12.450
it doesn't feel like a sad song
that it's the opposite of that, though,
450
00:31:12.529 --> 00:31:15.450
like when the line that you were
just talking about, like it's the
451
00:31:15.690 --> 00:31:19.759
opposite of selfishness, right, like
it's selflessness, like when you're when you
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00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:22.359
want to take someone's pain away.
That's a pretty beautiful thing. So,
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00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:26.920
Oh yeah, I love it.
I think. I think he continues to
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00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:30.119
even get better after this album,
but I mean it's pretty pretty mature.
455
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:33.309
I don't know how old is he
at this point? I mean I'm to
456
00:31:33.349 --> 00:31:37.269
look that up when we play the
next track. Probably six, nearly old
457
00:31:37.309 --> 00:31:40.750
enough? Yeah, probably not very
okay, well, let's go to track
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three, priceless. So proud of
you. It's good and keep you from
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00:31:52.660 --> 00:32:15.160
me. I feel like this is
the first song that we get to hear
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00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:20.599
kind of his background vocal coolness that
he does, like where there's like kind
461
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:22.559
of part swimming on top of each
other, and I'm sure that like what
462
00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:24.880
he's like. Hold on, okay, give me another pass, and I'm
463
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:28.480
sure the producer go like what are
you gonna do? And then by the
464
00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:32.670
time it all gets together it's really
cool. But I've just never been able
465
00:32:32.710 --> 00:32:36.789
to think of stuff like that,
and so I was really impressed by people
466
00:32:36.829 --> 00:32:38.549
that have oh well, this part's
going to do this and I'm going to
467
00:32:38.630 --> 00:32:42.230
sing on top of that, and
like I can think of a harmony that
468
00:32:42.430 --> 00:32:46.019
is exactly in line with the the
lead Fart. That's all I'm good for.
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00:32:46.299 --> 00:32:49.859
Yeah, Mr Producer, what if
I did this? What if I
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00:32:49.900 --> 00:32:53.380
do that but a third above it? Like not very creative, honestly,
471
00:32:54.099 --> 00:32:58.609
and I just feel like he's really
good at those kind of like parts going
472
00:32:58.769 --> 00:33:00.170
together and stuff, and so that's
one thing I like about this. But,
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00:33:00.569 --> 00:33:05.690
Kyle, let's go to you on
priceless. Yep, I I dig
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00:33:05.730 --> 00:33:10.130
it. I hadn't heard this song
before and I really like the dual vocal,
475
00:33:12.369 --> 00:33:20.480
and I mean it. It sounds
like wonderful email to me. I
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00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:23.559
agree and I like that we are. Like I said, there seemed to
477
00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:27.710
be some thematic kind of things too. It's like we've got firefly, dragonfly,
478
00:33:27.789 --> 00:33:30.349
I don't know, they're just like
I feel like he's stitching stuff together
479
00:33:30.509 --> 00:33:32.430
and not just I don't think it's
all coincidence. I feel like it's it
480
00:33:32.509 --> 00:33:36.069
really does feel like a whole album. By the way, he was twenty
481
00:33:36.190 --> 00:33:38.549
seven, so it was a little
older. Okay, I'm he's he's born
482
00:33:38.670 --> 00:33:42.259
seventy five, so he's a little
older than us, not by a lot,
483
00:33:42.339 --> 00:33:44.859
but old man. Back then we
would have been like, how old
484
00:33:44.859 --> 00:33:49.779
are you? Yeah, you know, my God, Chris, Chris,
485
00:33:49.859 --> 00:33:54.299
what are your thoughts on priceless?
The simile and the churs always bothered me
486
00:33:54.339 --> 00:33:57.809
a little. I'm just being honest. Sorry. Which one? Oh,
487
00:33:58.049 --> 00:34:01.210
like, because I need you,
like the dragonflies wing. John, similes
488
00:34:01.250 --> 00:34:07.089
are hard, the Lazy Man's literary
device. I'm not that great of a
489
00:34:07.170 --> 00:34:08.889
songwriter. I here. I am
like, you know, throwing stones.
490
00:34:08.929 --> 00:34:12.159
I just it just, I don't
know. It was just like it's so
491
00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:17.000
in your face. Still Great.
It's those great and I always thought it
492
00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:23.789
was rain, not wind. Like
the dragonsflies, wings need the wind.
493
00:34:23.869 --> 00:34:27.349
Is what he says. I always
started rain and I thought he's doing like
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00:34:27.429 --> 00:34:31.110
a reverse thing, because I'm pretty
sure dragonflies, if they get rained on
495
00:34:31.269 --> 00:34:34.989
like, it messes up their wings. So I have studied doing like like,
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00:34:35.230 --> 00:34:37.670
like Oh, I don't need you, which I thought was weird because
497
00:34:37.670 --> 00:34:38.940
it didn't really fit the theme of
the album, which is all about like
498
00:34:39.099 --> 00:34:42.500
really needing somebody. Well, it
turns out I'm wrong. That's the whole
499
00:34:42.539 --> 00:34:45.579
point. Like it was wind,
and that makes perfect sense. Wings.
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00:34:45.659 --> 00:34:49.219
It does sound like he's playing saying
rain, doesn't it? Hey, yeah,
501
00:34:49.579 --> 00:34:52.449
so I have to ask, because
you're saying it sounds like he says
502
00:34:52.489 --> 00:34:57.449
rain. With what you just said, Chris, I have to know right
503
00:34:57.570 --> 00:35:02.409
now how you feel about everything.
But the girl's Song, like the deserts,
504
00:35:02.489 --> 00:35:07.239
Miss The rain. Oh well,
that doesn't count because that's also an
505
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:13.880
America song. America is allowed to
do it. And so then by ipso
506
00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:16.199
facto, you know, Kevin Bacon, five layers, whatever. I mean,
507
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:21.909
they're allowed to that. To me
that's the quintessential simile. Maybe that's
508
00:35:21.949 --> 00:35:24.230
peak simile and no one's laws simil
anymore. Yeah, it's been done.
509
00:35:24.750 --> 00:35:28.550
That's really what I'm saying, like
Similey's have been done. It's a been
510
00:35:28.590 --> 00:35:32.750
done, man, I think you're
right. I'm Chris. I similes are
511
00:35:32.909 --> 00:35:38.099
hard, which is why I love
that formal hard. It's about mixing like.
512
00:35:38.300 --> 00:35:45.980
They're like like, like like,
but specifically in lyrics, because it's
513
00:35:45.139 --> 00:35:52.690
it's like it's such a you hear
the way. Then that dirty jarty.
514
00:35:52.769 --> 00:35:57.130
Wait, wait, was that dirty
Johnny Carson? How that was unintentional.
515
00:35:57.449 --> 00:36:05.000
That was unintentional dirty interrupt that the
start, are they? Yes, you
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00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:08.559
a man, by the way,
that said. You are correct, stir.
517
00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:13.679
It's terrible. It's been a long
time since I watch Johnny Carson,
518
00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:17.590
you hear the word like and you
just know what's coming. There's just no
519
00:36:17.789 --> 00:36:22.550
way to to whereas you know,
you can be a little more clever with
520
00:36:22.630 --> 00:36:28.789
a metaphor, and I maybe I
think that's the thing that that that ruins
521
00:36:28.989 --> 00:36:31.550
most similies, because you just hear
the word like and you're already going,
522
00:36:31.710 --> 00:36:37.460
m okay, what's He gonna say? So I feel you on that,
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00:36:37.579 --> 00:36:38.659
I think, but I feel that
way about a lot of them. I'm
524
00:36:38.699 --> 00:36:44.739
trying, I have to go through
and find the similes I like in songs.
525
00:36:45.219 --> 00:36:49.809
That might be a fun playlist on
spotify for me to try start compiling
526
00:36:50.690 --> 00:36:57.170
is similes I really enjoy in lyrics. That might be. It might because
527
00:36:57.170 --> 00:36:59.730
I do. I catch myself doing
the same thing, Chris. I'll hear
528
00:36:59.730 --> 00:37:04.119
a song I just feel like that
was a little because they're either way too
529
00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:07.719
on the nose or their way too
cheesy. Sometimes. Yep, and that
530
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:09.960
one, you know, it doesn't
bother me a lot, but I can
531
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:14.800
see where you're coming from. So
let's go outro. Sorry, I do
532
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:16.429
want to say the outray on the
song, with a falsetto and everything.
533
00:37:16.869 --> 00:37:22.269
Oh Yeah, against it end spectacularly
here. The falsetto and the multiple vocals
534
00:37:22.550 --> 00:37:27.909
and yeah, and I think you
got a definitely copeland has a drummer that
535
00:37:28.030 --> 00:37:30.739
like knows exactly what a song means. So it's like, Oh, yeah,
536
00:37:30.739 --> 00:37:37.019
we're going eighth note kicks on the
track before or testing the Strang yeah,
537
00:37:37.099 --> 00:37:39.579
track before, and then no,
here we're going to sit back and
538
00:37:39.739 --> 00:37:43.980
really be like hanging out on that
ride. And you're right, this tempo
539
00:37:44.179 --> 00:37:47.170
is like you know, we it's
funny. When we were that age,
540
00:37:47.489 --> 00:37:50.969
by that age I mean like when
we were in a band in two thousand
541
00:37:50.969 --> 00:37:53.130
and three, it was all we
could do to not rush everything. I
542
00:37:53.409 --> 00:37:58.639
mean I remember like the Click track
was was holding us back from going too
543
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:02.000
fast, and then at some point
we got old enough that like we started
544
00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:08.119
like the click trap was helping us
stay up with the the the speed of
545
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:12.840
the music that we were supposed to
play. So there's definitely a youth thing
546
00:38:12.989 --> 00:38:16.469
that that maybe goes into youth and
being white and just not being able to
547
00:38:16.630 --> 00:38:21.630
hang on the on the tempo for
well enough without a cow bill our ears.
548
00:38:22.070 --> 00:38:23.909
Yeah, we just don't have we
just don't have that built in into
549
00:38:24.789 --> 00:38:29.539
in to us, I guess.
So let's go to win our sorry,
550
00:38:29.579 --> 00:39:05.880
take care. Here we go,
the Kyle. Let's go to you first.
551
00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:07.360
Take care. I feel like this
is a was this one you heard
552
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:12.829
before? I think. So okay, and what do you think of it
553
00:39:12.989 --> 00:39:16.110
now either way? Well, dude, I think. I think there's a
554
00:39:16.309 --> 00:39:22.510
ton of cool vocal stuff going on
on that song. Yes, and again,
555
00:39:22.630 --> 00:39:24.900
like you know, he's maybe pushing
it on that one part over,
556
00:39:25.099 --> 00:39:30.500
but like it's just amazing to me
that he's his voice is so is so
557
00:39:30.739 --> 00:39:35.059
like I don't even know what to
call it, but it's almost like he's
558
00:39:35.139 --> 00:39:42.329
just chill and it sounds so good
and I feel like when I'm singing easily,
559
00:39:42.570 --> 00:39:45.570
I guess is what I'll call it, is when I sound the suckiest,
560
00:39:45.769 --> 00:39:51.650
like I sound Oh, I sound
bored, or you and like anybody
561
00:39:51.730 --> 00:39:54.199
that singing in that range to me
typically sounds bored. They need they lack
562
00:39:54.320 --> 00:40:01.639
energy, and he doesn't. His
voice sounds really nice. All the stuff
563
00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:09.630
that you just played definitely super cool
parts. I feel like maybe I'm wrong,
564
00:40:09.630 --> 00:40:15.630
but I feel like I hear like
intentional timing in perfections going on a
565
00:40:15.670 --> 00:40:19.110
little bit. Well, I like
he's kind of riffing on that lap,
566
00:40:19.230 --> 00:40:21.659
that part I played. Is that
what that is? Well, I mean
567
00:40:21.820 --> 00:40:22.980
it to me. It's like a
pop song. It's like if a Christi
568
00:40:23.059 --> 00:40:27.820
Aguila on the last chorus of her
song, it's like there's the vocal line
569
00:40:27.860 --> 00:40:30.099
that's kind of doubled underneath and then
she's riffing on top of it or whatever.
570
00:40:30.340 --> 00:40:32.980
And I feel like he's kind of
doing that. It's like there's that
571
00:40:34.019 --> 00:40:37.010
vocal under that's doing the choruses he
did previously, but then he's kind of
572
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soaring on top of it and it
doesn't have to be perfect because it's kind
573
00:40:40.489 --> 00:40:45.489
of like I said, it's kind
of riffing on what's already there. Sounds
574
00:40:45.690 --> 00:40:49.090
good. Yeah, and I feel
like he's got such clarity to like so
575
00:40:49.210 --> 00:40:51.840
many vocals I like. And then
we've talked about on this podcast. I
576
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:54.440
go what I like. I like
sometimes the grit and people's vocals just because
577
00:40:54.480 --> 00:41:00.840
you can hear that you know Kenny
from starting lines a great example of someone
578
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:04.710
I just I really like when he
gets a little growley. But what I
579
00:41:04.789 --> 00:41:07.429
love about Aaron Marsh is that like
he's just clean man his vocals. Like
580
00:41:07.590 --> 00:41:12.230
he gets soaring high where you can
tell he's kind of belting and it's crystal
581
00:41:12.389 --> 00:41:15.110
clear and when he does falsetto's crystal
clear and when he's singing and in a
582
00:41:15.190 --> 00:41:21.139
lower register, it just always sounds
really clean. It just sounds really nice
583
00:41:21.179 --> 00:41:24.380
and pretty and I would like never
put distortion on his vocals, like never,
584
00:41:25.380 --> 00:41:30.579
because it would just be a disservice
to how pretty it is. I
585
00:41:30.699 --> 00:41:32.409
mean that's a I don't know if
that's a compliment. I don't know if
586
00:41:32.409 --> 00:41:37.010
people like to hear that their voice
is pretty. Is a nice one,
587
00:41:37.050 --> 00:41:39.010
but his is a very pretty voice
and I really like it. Real quick
588
00:41:39.090 --> 00:41:43.530
I'd like to clarify because you just
kind of flew right past it. When
589
00:41:43.570 --> 00:41:45.849
you mentioned the starting line. You
were talking about Kenny. Of Us only
590
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:52.719
m you always have really that him
at his service. Yes, yeah,
591
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:59.760
I'm sorry that I didn't pronounced his
last name corregly or at all. Chris,
592
00:41:59.880 --> 00:42:00.750
what are you think? You know, he's just like Mama me,
593
00:42:01.750 --> 00:42:07.190
Mama me, Chris. What what
are your thoughts on? Take care.
594
00:42:08.309 --> 00:42:12.190
You guys already kind of said it. It's an up it's about as an
595
00:42:12.190 --> 00:42:17.099
upbeat jam as you get on this
record and it is spectacular. Man.
596
00:42:17.179 --> 00:42:22.860
I this. I feel like in
another life and another parallel universe is could
597
00:42:22.900 --> 00:42:25.980
have been like a hit single like
that. Sounds cheesy saying that, but
598
00:42:27.019 --> 00:42:30.730
it's like a really good, so
great song and it's like it was like
599
00:42:30.809 --> 00:42:32.489
too good for this world. Like
when you hear when you hear it on
600
00:42:32.570 --> 00:42:37.130
this like little indie label, it's
like why you would? This is really
601
00:42:37.250 --> 00:42:43.250
good like it. So yeah,
I'm also torn on I sometimes I love
602
00:42:43.449 --> 00:42:46.000
when people start a chorus. Are
Start the course, start the song with
603
00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:49.679
the chorus. I love it in
this case because it's got that great little
604
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:52.440
intro in the courses in and some
people are like no, you're wasting you
605
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:57.000
know you're you're blowing it right at
the beginning. There's nothing else for someone
606
00:42:57.039 --> 00:42:59.429
to be excited about for the rest
of the song. But it doesn't feel
607
00:42:59.429 --> 00:43:01.150
like that on this song. Like
I feel like that's a they opened with
608
00:43:01.190 --> 00:43:05.949
the chorus. It works really well
and by that last one he's doing all
609
00:43:05.989 --> 00:43:09.389
those other vocal things and so it
never gets boring because they're never really doing
610
00:43:09.469 --> 00:43:15.139
the same thing twice. But it's
a really simple song and it's really beautiful
611
00:43:15.260 --> 00:43:17.539
and so sweet song. I agree. Never it never occurred to me that
612
00:43:17.579 --> 00:43:21.619
the song started off with the course
I like that. I did not realize
613
00:43:21.619 --> 00:43:23.699
its you just said it. It's
so it obviously works. It didn't stick
614
00:43:23.739 --> 00:43:29.289
out to me. It's anything weird. Yeah, I love its good work.
615
00:43:29.889 --> 00:44:04.789
Well, let's go to win.
Paula sparks. I don't feel like
616
00:44:04.869 --> 00:44:08.469
Paula is a super popular name for
a pop song. I've just I don't
617
00:44:08.469 --> 00:44:10.940
know if I've ever heard another song
with Paula in it. Have you?
618
00:44:12.900 --> 00:44:15.420
There's IT? Not, but this
is a great this is definitely the Best
619
00:44:15.500 --> 00:44:21.019
Paula Song ever. There's no way
there's a better one. I was thinking
620
00:44:21.139 --> 00:44:23.289
that what I lived to to it. I was like that is a unique
621
00:44:23.369 --> 00:44:28.130
name for a song, yes,
or for a name in a song.
622
00:44:28.610 --> 00:44:31.690
Glad you said that. That's that's
funny. So I wonder, I mean,
623
00:44:31.690 --> 00:44:36.650
does anyone know if Paula is,
I assume the girlfriend or the grandma,
624
00:44:36.769 --> 00:44:39.800
but I would assume some grandma.
I was so grandma. Yeah,
625
00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:45.599
but I don't know, I mean
and so I would assume grandma at that
626
00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:47.280
point, but hard to say.
But yeah, I mean this song is
627
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:51.079
really good. Kyle, what are
you? What are your thoughts on when
628
00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:54.670
Paul Sparks? So obviously I had
heard this song before. Yeah, it's
629
00:44:54.710 --> 00:45:00.630
a great song, I mean great
falsetto. I love the Groove, the
630
00:45:00.710 --> 00:45:06.190
little base groove going on in the
clip that you played. Yeah, it
631
00:45:06.550 --> 00:45:10.219
rocks. And also, just to
kind of go back to me getting to
632
00:45:10.300 --> 00:45:14.420
listen to this album for the first
time, I don't think that like,
633
00:45:14.820 --> 00:45:16.619
I don't think it's like a grand
departure, but it's not the same,
634
00:45:16.699 --> 00:45:20.780
quite the same vibe as the song
that comes before it. So it's a
635
00:45:20.820 --> 00:45:25.409
nice little change. So when I
also feel like we're like to me,
636
00:45:25.610 --> 00:45:30.610
these next two tracks are kind of
inseverable. You really have to play them
637
00:45:30.690 --> 00:45:32.769
together. I mean I just I
if you if I play when Paula sparks
638
00:45:32.809 --> 00:45:37.920
without California, just you know,
especially since the intro to it is at
639
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:42.360
the end of this track. Technically, I just I kind of left wanting.
640
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:46.199
It's like not listening to the loan
in and stay by Jackson Brown.
641
00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:50.309
I feel like you just you can't
only listen to one half of that thing.
642
00:45:50.590 --> 00:45:54.590
You've got to do both. It's
and and so I like that.
643
00:45:55.030 --> 00:46:00.110
I like that. It was it
feels like it was a planned thing and,
644
00:46:00.269 --> 00:46:04.150
as I mentioned on our Valentine's Day
episode, I asked my wife to
645
00:46:04.230 --> 00:46:07.139
marry me to this song. So
I like it quite a bit. Obviously
646
00:46:07.980 --> 00:46:13.460
place proofs, both of us did. Chris, what are your thoughts on
647
00:46:13.619 --> 00:46:21.449
when Paula sparks the sweeping atmospheric vocals
in the versus are just so cool and
648
00:46:21.570 --> 00:46:24.010
I like what they did the kind
of chill version of I like the chill
649
00:46:24.050 --> 00:46:28.730
version of the first course and then
gets you excited about the things to come
650
00:46:29.610 --> 00:46:30.849
and then the kind of call an
answer thing in the course. Is just
651
00:46:30.929 --> 00:46:34.840
a really well put together song.
It's kind of got a kick butt like
652
00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:37.880
almost journey as Guitar Solo in the
Middle Too. That just fits with it
653
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:42.000
perfect. I thought about that,
but I'll do like yeah, and like
654
00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:45.400
you said that the way the outro
is about to fade into the next song
655
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:50.710
is it's just very well put together. Yeah, I mean I those two
656
00:46:50.750 --> 00:46:55.469
get the the kind of that swimming, you know, vibrado guitar that starts
657
00:46:55.510 --> 00:47:00.469
it and then that other kind of
lead line comes in Bunow and I just
658
00:47:00.550 --> 00:47:02.940
think it's really great and it's got
a great intro that groove on. It's
659
00:47:02.980 --> 00:47:08.019
fantastic. Again, the drummer just
doing exactly what needs to happen here and
660
00:47:08.300 --> 00:47:13.500
on the space perfect. Yeah,
we letting, letting the guitars filled the
661
00:47:13.500 --> 00:47:16.250
space, like leaving the space for
the rhythm section. Yeah, great,
662
00:47:16.250 --> 00:47:22.329
it's just it's they did a really, really, really good job. So
663
00:47:22.090 --> 00:47:28.250
let's go to the aorementioned California that
this track goes into, and we'll play
664
00:47:28.289 --> 00:48:07.940
that. Here we go. This
one is really I feel like you can't
665
00:48:07.980 --> 00:48:10.780
appreciate if you've not listened to this
record or if you've not listened to in
666
00:48:10.820 --> 00:48:15.849
a while or something like that.
You really my thirty second clip is worthless
667
00:48:15.010 --> 00:48:19.769
for this song, I feel like, because you really need to listen to
668
00:48:19.969 --> 00:48:22.730
when Paul sparks back to back the
California, because that guitar line in the
669
00:48:22.769 --> 00:48:28.559
rocky part is the intro on whatever
that is, melotron or whatever it is
670
00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:31.360
that's playing. I think it's a
Melotron, and I just feel like it
671
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:34.960
really book ins this song really well. But I had to pick like thirty
672
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:37.280
seconds, so I went with that
part because I like the the building to
673
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:42.630
that and I specially love that when
they play this live, like on the
674
00:48:42.710 --> 00:48:45.550
recording, they never go back into
the course. It's just instrumental for the
675
00:48:45.590 --> 00:48:47.670
rest of the song, but live
he would go into singing that like come
676
00:48:47.710 --> 00:48:51.909
back from California, but like belting
it at the top of his lungs kind
677
00:48:51.909 --> 00:48:53.590
of thing, and it was awesome
and it was kind of one of those
678
00:48:53.590 --> 00:48:57.860
things where I was like, why
did you not do that on the record?
679
00:48:57.900 --> 00:49:00.460
That had to have been an idea. And I it's like I do
680
00:49:00.699 --> 00:49:02.820
like the instrumental part, but I
also just go like, Oh, I
681
00:49:02.940 --> 00:49:06.179
just love when you every time you
did it live, it gave me like
682
00:49:06.300 --> 00:49:13.449
chills. I mean it's like unbelievable, and so if you didn't get a
683
00:49:13.489 --> 00:49:15.010
chance to see them live, you
probably won't now. I don't know that
684
00:49:15.050 --> 00:49:19.690
they're really touring or anything anymore.
So, Chris, what are your thoughts
685
00:49:19.730 --> 00:49:27.119
on in California? Oh, this
is a great song. I just think
686
00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:32.039
it's so rad when a band coming
out, you know, it's first release,
687
00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:39.230
has the the gall to layer that
many different instruments on a track.
688
00:49:39.269 --> 00:49:45.949
You've got strings, you've got I
don't what is that instrument to begins like
689
00:49:45.989 --> 00:49:47.829
a whistle. I think it's a
meloitron. I think it's atron. Oh,
690
00:49:47.829 --> 00:49:51.869
you said that that's what you're referring
to. It's you know, Melotron
691
00:49:52.030 --> 00:49:54.260
is a keyboard instrument that has.
I mean they probably weren't using a real
692
00:49:54.260 --> 00:49:57.300
one. They're probably using I figured
it was a saying, I guess,
693
00:49:57.340 --> 00:50:00.139
but but like it was the Beatles, you know, it's like the sixty.
694
00:50:00.219 --> 00:50:04.860
It actually had rolls of tape for
every key that had like sixteen seconds
695
00:50:04.860 --> 00:50:07.170
of a sample of someone playing something
like a flute or a violin or something
696
00:50:07.210 --> 00:50:10.610
like that. And what's really funny
is that everyone thought, all the string
697
00:50:10.690 --> 00:50:14.250
players thought they were going to be
out of jobs, which is funny because
698
00:50:14.250 --> 00:50:17.170
it doesn't sound like someone actually playing
one of those instruments. Funny. And
699
00:50:17.250 --> 00:50:21.369
so it literally happens like you press
a key, it starts playing this tape
700
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:23.159
and then when you let go the
key, it snaps the IT rewinds the
701
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:27.880
tape back immediately, like snaps it
back because it's just a sixteen seconds.
702
00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:30.000
See, oh, it's like a
crazy instrument, right, and I've never
703
00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:32.960
actually seen one. Had To work
their butts off, man. Yeah,
704
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:37.710
I've never actually seen one in real
life. I mean I've I've fake I've
705
00:50:37.750 --> 00:50:42.630
used fake versions of software emulations of
them. I would love to play with
706
00:50:42.750 --> 00:50:45.110
one in real life, though.
And Yeah, and so to change the
707
00:50:45.309 --> 00:50:47.150
sound you had to change all those
little tapes. So if you want to
708
00:50:47.190 --> 00:50:52.219
change it from like flute to island, I don't know, I've never yeah,
709
00:50:52.300 --> 00:50:54.019
so anyway it was. But Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what it
710
00:50:54.099 --> 00:50:59.500
is. It's probably an emulator,
I'm going to guess, but maybe not,
711
00:50:59.659 --> 00:51:02.219
I don't know. Be Curious to
find that out. I also this
712
00:51:02.579 --> 00:51:06.730
this song I have to say,
reminds me of like one of my other
713
00:51:06.849 --> 00:51:09.210
favorite, like lesserknown bands from this
era, a band called hundred thirty eight.
714
00:51:09.210 --> 00:51:12.570
I'm pretty sure they're from Florida.
I like to think that. And
715
00:51:12.650 --> 00:51:15.889
I think Copeland is from Georgia.
No, they're from Florida. Aha,
716
00:51:16.170 --> 00:51:22.000
seems the line I've come back from
California or all your friends in Florida.
717
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:23.440
Yeah, okay, yeah, so
I was like there's got to be some
718
00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:27.840
influence or overlap there, because two
three as of very unique sounding band and
719
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:30.159
this song has got some thirty eight
vibes. Yeah, I think. I
720
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:34.230
feel like Florida had some vibes at
the time. I feel like, yeah,
721
00:51:34.309 --> 00:51:37.949
it doesn't get seen. Yeah,
Florida doesn't get a lot of credit
722
00:51:37.150 --> 00:51:42.710
for vibes, but I feel like
they you're right to thirty eight yellow card
723
00:51:42.949 --> 00:51:45.909
there's quite a few that were either
originally from Florida or still in Florida,
724
00:51:46.260 --> 00:51:51.940
cartels from Georgia, which I mean
cartels. You Georgia. Yeah, there's
725
00:51:51.940 --> 00:51:54.860
a yeah, that's an interesting I
feel like Florida, and I mean Florida.
726
00:51:55.099 --> 00:51:59.380
Why wouldn't they have there like the
fourth most populous state in the country,
727
00:51:59.420 --> 00:52:01.610
right, the Florida of states?
Yes, yeah, they're like there's
728
00:52:01.650 --> 00:52:05.010
like a bunch of people there.
So, yeah, it would make sense
729
00:52:05.090 --> 00:52:07.289
that, like Florida man makes fantastic
music. Why would they not have a
730
00:52:07.369 --> 00:52:10.449
ton of people from New Jersey,
which, by the way, somehow I
731
00:52:10.610 --> 00:52:15.719
got wrong and someone corrected me in
the comments of one of our things.
732
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:21.920
I I said someone was from New
Jersey and they're from a long island.
733
00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:27.360
I think it's taking back Sunday,
by the way, and so correction made
734
00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:30.869
on speaking of state. Noted that
I was that I got a stay wrong
735
00:52:31.030 --> 00:52:36.110
on a band. So apologies,
but that's why we have comments and social
736
00:52:36.110 --> 00:52:38.630
media and stuff like that. You
can correct so that so the geography police
737
00:52:38.789 --> 00:52:44.230
can go there and they came out. They can go there and that's fine.
738
00:52:44.269 --> 00:52:45.900
And Long Island is so close to
New Jersey you can see why I
739
00:52:45.940 --> 00:52:49.420
say these. There's a lot of
bands from that area at the time.
740
00:52:49.659 --> 00:52:52.300
So, yeah, I think brand
new Tang bacs anywhere Long Island, not
741
00:52:52.539 --> 00:52:55.739
New Jersey. Sorry, I think, or maybe I just got it wrong
742
00:52:55.739 --> 00:52:59.849
again and maybe it was backwards.
I don't know. I we're we're winging
743
00:52:59.969 --> 00:53:01.969
this thing. They'll tell you.
Yeah, they'll tell me, so tell
744
00:53:01.969 --> 00:53:07.730
me the comments when I'm wrong again. Songs about California. There are a
745
00:53:07.809 --> 00:53:09.130
lot of songs about California, but
this is one of my favorites. I
746
00:53:09.170 --> 00:53:14.199
feel like it's a really good one. Maybe not about California, but you
747
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:16.800
know, mentioned California, Kyle.
What are your thoughts on California? I'm
748
00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:22.119
sure you've heard this one before too. So I have. I had heard
749
00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:24.960
it before. It was familiar.
I don't like know it's super well and
750
00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:29.670
this is another one that was funny
to me because I kind of got to
751
00:53:29.989 --> 00:53:35.949
experience influence out of order. And
so I don't know if you guys remember,
752
00:53:36.309 --> 00:53:43.139
there was a band on Dog House
called Paulson. They put out his
753
00:53:43.260 --> 00:53:45.059
why you remember that? Oh,
you get okay, I'm going to send
754
00:53:45.099 --> 00:53:49.059
you, I'm going to text you
guys this song. You should listen to
755
00:53:49.300 --> 00:53:52.019
but like there's a part that was, I think, actually in the clip
756
00:53:52.059 --> 00:53:57.969
that you played, where the guitar
just like one time goes bad ANA and
757
00:53:58.769 --> 00:54:02.530
like there's a whole song of that
and it's a lot of the sounds are
758
00:54:02.570 --> 00:54:07.650
very similar. It's a song called
voids by Paulson, a New Jersey band,
759
00:54:07.769 --> 00:54:10.159
by the way. Are you sure
I am new jerse? I am
760
00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:17.119
certain. Okay, I'm certain and
I don't care now as that doesn't matter.
761
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:22.679
But it's weird because there's just no
question to me that like this song
762
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:27.110
influence their band in a little way. And I just I heard him out
763
00:54:27.150 --> 00:54:30.630
of order, and so it's just
so crazy too. It was so crazy
764
00:54:30.710 --> 00:54:34.789
to be like, dude, that's
that had to have influenced them, because
765
00:54:34.949 --> 00:54:39.099
you know clearly this is this is
a good record and influenced people. It
766
00:54:39.179 --> 00:54:42.659
came two years before, I believe, the record I'm talking about came out,
767
00:54:42.739 --> 00:54:45.699
oh five, and it's like I
can't, I just can't not hear
768
00:54:45.739 --> 00:54:49.460
it. So I'll send it.
I'll send it to you, dudes,
769
00:54:49.539 --> 00:54:52.059
and you can find out and you
should just check out that man, Paulson.
770
00:54:52.139 --> 00:54:53.889
They put out one record. They're
kind of the one of the one
771
00:54:53.929 --> 00:54:58.050
and done, dudes. And Yeah, it is a kick butt record.
772
00:54:58.050 --> 00:55:00.210
I want to hear it. Yeah, yeah, I mean I do feel
773
00:55:00.250 --> 00:55:04.929
like Copeland was maybe a little bit
of a band's band. I agree completely
774
00:55:05.010 --> 00:55:07.800
you think, like I feel like
every a lot of people I knew in
775
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:09.559
bands really liked them a lot,
but I don't feel like they had like
776
00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:14.880
just tons of success. I mean
most shows I saw them at were smaller
777
00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:16.719
venues. I mean the biggest venue
I song was the you know, as
778
00:55:16.760 --> 00:55:21.280
I mentioned, the pair more show
that they open for. But every other
779
00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:23.070
venue have been is like a you
know, five hundred percent venue. Maybe.
780
00:55:23.789 --> 00:55:27.469
I guess I saw I'm open for
switchfoot one time and that was probably
781
00:55:27.510 --> 00:55:29.909
a bigger venue at the time.
That might have been a thousand people or
782
00:55:29.949 --> 00:55:34.710
something like that. But but yeah, they're great live and and that's a
783
00:55:35.900 --> 00:55:37.179
I think I'm with you. I
think that's I think they're kind of a
784
00:55:37.219 --> 00:55:42.500
bands band. So I do hear
it's interesting for you to hear it a
785
00:55:42.579 --> 00:55:44.980
little fresh and be like, oh, this sounds like that, oh that
786
00:55:45.099 --> 00:55:46.219
came after this album. Oh when
this sounds like thing, you know,
787
00:55:46.500 --> 00:55:49.699
and I don't think these people are. No one's ripping each other off.
788
00:55:49.820 --> 00:55:52.210
We're not. So I think it's
inspired. So it's inspiration. Yeah,
789
00:55:52.210 --> 00:55:57.090
it's just going in maybe giving some
permission to be like, Oh, we
790
00:55:57.170 --> 00:56:00.369
can do that. You know other
people are doing similar things. So Hey,
791
00:56:00.530 --> 00:56:01.849
also, oh, go ahead.
Got Well, I was going to
792
00:56:01.889 --> 00:56:06.159
say you guys mentioned the art work
earlier and I meant to chime in and
793
00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:09.880
say that I always thought it was
funny. HMM, funny may not be
794
00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:13.519
the right word. Funny might not
be just like fun facts might not be
795
00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:16.239
the right word. Yeah, why? I mean, I feel like the
796
00:56:16.360 --> 00:56:22.110
person dying is like the most handsome
drawing of a person ever that's about to
797
00:56:22.269 --> 00:56:27.510
receive CPR right, like a good
look. You know, they're, they're,
798
00:56:27.750 --> 00:56:30.989
they're they're in trouble, and I
know that because someone's trying to,
799
00:56:31.269 --> 00:56:37.860
you know, start their heart again. But otherwise the pretty flawless, well,
800
00:56:37.940 --> 00:56:42.139
I mean goodlooking people do die,
Kyle, I know, but I
801
00:56:42.219 --> 00:56:45.940
mean I'm like a heart attack.
What's going on? This kid drowned because
802
00:56:45.940 --> 00:56:52.329
he seems untouched, too young for
a heart attack. In my opinion,
803
00:56:52.210 --> 00:56:55.050
he's not drowning. He's in a
full clothing. So we know we didn't
804
00:56:55.090 --> 00:57:00.090
like, he didn't drown. Probably
I mean you can drown in full clothing.
805
00:57:00.090 --> 00:57:02.519
I guess I wasn't slipping. Two
Thousand and three. I wonder if
806
00:57:02.599 --> 00:57:07.360
his vappin exploded. And Lodge,
we're not n his ARTIANS. In two
807
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:10.519
thousand and three we were. Oh
yeah, that's right, far away.
808
00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:15.750
We're smoking cigarettes in two thousand and
three, kyle, that's right. Okay,
809
00:57:15.150 --> 00:57:17.949
I got good question. I got
confused. I do know their basest.
810
00:57:19.190 --> 00:57:22.909
Did shoot the photos of the hospital? Stuff? Behind the okay,
811
00:57:23.550 --> 00:57:27.750
behind the it is weird to explain, but yeah, there was like a
812
00:57:27.909 --> 00:57:30.820
sheet of like kind of see through
white paper that had the etloint is completely
813
00:57:30.980 --> 00:57:35.780
lost in translation as far as digital
format goes. Like, yeah, it
814
00:57:35.860 --> 00:57:37.860
will really is. It's a country
song, though. I mean you already
815
00:57:37.900 --> 00:57:42.780
got the title to too handsome to
die young something like that's all the guys
816
00:57:42.940 --> 00:57:45.969
are there, too handsome to die
something. Yeah, okay, we can.
817
00:57:45.449 --> 00:57:47.650
We could make that a thing.
I'm just saying it's a hand is
818
00:57:47.889 --> 00:57:53.090
a handsome young guy. I can't
tell what's gone wrong other than he's being
819
00:57:53.170 --> 00:57:58.130
revived. I mean, I guess
maybe choked on some food. Well,
820
00:57:58.250 --> 00:58:00.400
but that's not what you do for
choking. That's not hi I'm like,
821
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:05.639
that's a bad medical procedure. That's
that's clearly CPR. Oh, you're saying,
822
00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:07.599
if he was doing that, if
he was choked, the long maneuver,
823
00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:10.760
do the high him light. Yeah, but no one's possible that the
824
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:15.590
person administering care didn't know what the
heck they were doing. Yeah, which
825
00:58:15.829 --> 00:58:20.230
could have been the reason the handsome
and died. Yep, God, trying
826
00:58:20.269 --> 00:58:22.550
to give someone CPR and they've got
something their throats. I'm going to help.
827
00:58:22.269 --> 00:58:25.909
So yeah, really, the interesting
the album artwork might just be a
828
00:58:27.030 --> 00:58:30.820
documentary of of a terrible tragedy.
These could be vp are not. No,
829
00:58:30.019 --> 00:58:37.179
Chris, I'm saying a mystery.
So, UN mystery, murder mystery.
830
00:58:37.659 --> 00:58:40.449
Okay, let's go to track seven. She changes her mind. We'll
831
00:58:40.489 --> 00:59:20.829
call this the back half of the
album. Christ's Goodie. First, this
832
00:59:20.989 --> 00:59:24.139
song is does like when it starts
off here, like you are not aware
833
00:59:24.139 --> 00:59:27.579
of this starts with think, it
starts click, click, click, click,
834
00:59:28.019 --> 00:59:30.260
on the on the on this,
on the drums. I mean it's
835
00:59:30.260 --> 00:59:32.940
like literally like a count in kind
of and you have no idea where it's
836
00:59:32.980 --> 00:59:36.460
going. Yeah, yeah, because
I would say it starts off a little
837
00:59:36.460 --> 00:59:38.969
weird compared like just relative to like
where it goes, because the core freaking
838
00:59:39.010 --> 00:59:43.210
jams, dude. I mean that
part you played, you've got freaking chimes
839
00:59:43.250 --> 00:59:45.969
coming in like all American rejects,
relying Kate Style, you know. I
840
00:59:46.010 --> 00:59:49.889
remember playing those in cushion. You
had have like a hammer. That's again.
841
00:59:49.969 --> 00:59:52.769
They're probably, you know, using
a synthesize or something, but that's
842
00:59:52.769 --> 00:59:55.440
a bold move. Yep, it's. And I that drum. The drum
843
00:59:55.519 --> 00:59:59.880
fills there. I mean we're showing
some chops right up. There's some awesome
844
00:59:59.920 --> 01:00:04.239
drumming, there's some like bindy guitar
solo stuff. I mean this song freaking
845
01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:07.909
rocks. But right, you don't. If I played you that intro and
846
01:00:07.030 --> 01:00:09.550
then that part, you'd be like, oh, those are the same sort
847
01:00:09.590 --> 01:00:13.190
the same song. No, sir, that is not the same song,
848
01:00:13.789 --> 01:00:16.309
but they are. Yeah, this
song freaking rocks. Kyle, what are
849
01:00:16.309 --> 01:00:22.380
your thoughts? Had not heard the
song. It freaking rocks, freaking rocks.
850
01:00:22.820 --> 01:00:25.980
I like, I have no,
nothing to influence me except for a
851
01:00:27.139 --> 01:00:30.900
song that freaking rocks. All that
stuff, the drums, the build.
852
01:00:31.699 --> 01:00:36.610
Also, I think his voice sounds
a little bit different on this song.
853
01:00:37.050 --> 01:00:43.170
It reminds me of Andrew from Jack's
Mannequin on this song. I can hear
854
01:00:43.250 --> 01:00:45.210
that a little bit. Yeah,
another band that came out a little bit
855
01:00:45.250 --> 01:00:47.730
after this. Well, I mean
I guess something corporate came out before that,
856
01:00:47.929 --> 01:00:52.400
so he probably already had his voice
at that point. But I can
857
01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:55.159
do that. So let's go to
there cannot be a close second. Here
858
01:00:55.199 --> 01:01:39.170
we go. So okay, so
there cannot be a close second. Chris
859
01:01:39.329 --> 01:01:45.929
Mounier, what are your thoughts?
Good tune, solid to huge fan,
860
01:01:45.289 --> 01:01:47.559
more based from on the eighth I
can't get enough. I love it.
861
01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:51.800
I'm gonna go I just yeah,
I love it, keep it up.
862
01:01:53.559 --> 01:01:57.960
I thought that there cannot be a
close second. It was the is the
863
01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:00.559
most Aaron Marsh way of saying if
you're not first, your last. It's
864
01:02:00.599 --> 01:02:02.869
like a sweeter kind of it's a
sweeter way to say the Ricky Bobby Line.
865
01:02:04.070 --> 01:02:07.949
Yeah, thank first your last.
There cannot be a close second.
866
01:02:07.230 --> 01:02:13.829
Yeah, I mean I feel like
that the the the medical and sort of
867
01:02:14.550 --> 01:02:16.579
that whole thing of the record.
That seems like a theme. And then
868
01:02:16.619 --> 01:02:21.059
the eighth note kicks feels like the
other theme of this record, because we
869
01:02:21.099 --> 01:02:25.059
have it on several songs and I'm
into it. Cayle, what are your
870
01:02:25.099 --> 01:02:29.380
thoughts on there cannot be a close
second? Had you heard this one before?
871
01:02:31.250 --> 01:02:36.449
I I'm not certain. Like it
sounds familiar to me and and so
872
01:02:37.050 --> 01:02:39.409
here's the thing. I'm not saying
it's not good. I'm not saying it's
873
01:02:39.449 --> 01:02:45.800
great. It sounds it sounds familiar
and so and so, like I think
874
01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:50.199
it's it sounds like good emo.
You know what I mean. Like,
875
01:02:51.079 --> 01:02:55.119
yeah, so that's my the end. Also, even with that, that
876
01:02:55.239 --> 01:03:00.030
sounds like I'm saying it's boring.
It's not. I actually really like how
877
01:03:00.070 --> 01:03:06.190
I feel like the record is like
it's going somewhere after the last couple songs,
878
01:03:06.309 --> 01:03:10.070
like we are, we're moving in
a good direction. So, yeah,
879
01:03:10.110 --> 01:03:14.099
I mean, I'm into it.
I like I agree. I like
880
01:03:14.340 --> 01:03:16.619
the there cannot be a close second
line. Chris, I feel like that.
881
01:03:16.780 --> 01:03:20.340
You're right. It is a it's
a more poetic way to say that,
882
01:03:20.500 --> 01:03:22.539
like your number one, you know, and I like that. I
883
01:03:22.579 --> 01:03:29.449
feel like that's a good I don't
know, I just feel like it's interesting
884
01:03:29.489 --> 01:03:31.769
to have like this whole thing be
about a girlfriend and a grandma, because
885
01:03:31.809 --> 01:03:36.489
it's it really is hard to tell
which songs are about what so like.
886
01:03:37.730 --> 01:03:42.559
By the way, I'm in some
of the things I've read. The song
887
01:03:42.719 --> 01:03:47.599
priceless has in parentheses for Eleanor.
which eleanor definitely sounds like a grandma name.
888
01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:53.599
So between Eleanor and Paula. That's
yeah and so, but like yeah,
889
01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:59.750
so I'm I'm now. I'm now
confused and not sure. Maybe Paula
890
01:03:59.869 --> 01:04:01.590
was the girlfriend I went on.
Me Choose between all R and Paula.
891
01:04:01.670 --> 01:04:05.829
I know what I'm choosing for the
grandma anyway. Yeah, I mean eleanor
892
01:04:06.110 --> 01:04:13.260
is. I definitely did not go
to high school with any eleanor's. Maybe
893
01:04:13.340 --> 01:04:15.260
Ellie for short. I was going
to say I actually think my sister in
894
01:04:15.300 --> 01:04:19.739
law. Her name is eleanor.
Well, right, but okay, she's
895
01:04:19.780 --> 01:04:23.739
Ellie. So okay, well,
maybe. So who knows? I mean
896
01:04:23.820 --> 01:04:27.809
what we really don't. It's a
mystery. No one can know and can't
897
01:04:27.849 --> 01:04:30.650
find us out. Guys Aaron Marsh
probably know. He probably knows my but
898
01:04:30.769 --> 01:04:34.090
there's no way to know. There's
no way to know if he knows.
899
01:04:34.329 --> 01:04:40.360
There too, the names are if
a name, if I'm a name,
900
01:04:40.400 --> 01:04:45.159
can't be specific, but those are
specific names in that like I would hate
901
01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:45.760
to think that you'd be like,
well, I don't want to say her
902
01:04:45.800 --> 01:04:49.000
real name, Paula, I'll go
with Paula. You know what I mean?
903
01:04:49.079 --> 01:04:51.440
Yeah, like it's okay, it's
really someone's name. Yeah, we're
904
01:04:51.480 --> 01:04:55.989
not doing one of those things where
I substitute a fake name in and I'm
905
01:04:55.989 --> 01:04:58.670
really talking about someone else. Yeah, you're right. It's like there is
906
01:04:58.829 --> 01:05:02.909
a Paula and there isn't eleanor what
if it's an exist? I don't think
907
01:05:02.909 --> 01:05:06.030
she was famous at this point.
Well, she think she's a maybe she
908
01:05:06.179 --> 01:05:10.420
was regionally famous. She's ritually that
she is from the south. That's true.
909
01:05:11.619 --> 01:05:15.579
Could be the marsh. We have
questions, we need clearly do have
910
01:05:15.780 --> 01:05:18.460
questions. But yeah, I just
like I feel like most these songs I
911
01:05:18.539 --> 01:05:20.650
look at and I go like why, I wonder which one this is about,
912
01:05:20.730 --> 01:05:24.250
and sometimes it's really hard to figure
it out. I feel like,
913
01:05:24.489 --> 01:05:29.769
which I think is a good thing, lyrically, that you can't tell if
914
01:05:29.809 --> 01:05:32.849
he's talking about the grandmother he loves
or the girlfriend he loves. I feel
915
01:05:32.849 --> 01:05:39.119
like that's a good thing. Potentially, lyrics are timeless and can be applied
916
01:05:39.199 --> 01:05:42.280
to different situations. That's right.
You know, you're doing all right,
917
01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:45.239
right, which makes it, you
know, especially weird that I was like
918
01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:50.869
making out to when Paula spart works, but where, when you say all,
919
01:05:50.909 --> 01:05:56.949
I like, well, I guess. Yeah, so okay, okay.
920
01:05:56.989 --> 01:06:00.750
So here's this is interesting for Kyle
specifically, since he had just heard
921
01:06:00.829 --> 01:06:05.099
this song. Does it remind you
of any other song? Rest of you
922
01:06:05.139 --> 01:06:09.619
guys can pin this note, pin
this, pin this. You should know.
923
01:06:09.780 --> 01:06:15.500
You definitely know this song and I
would think that you, HMM,
924
01:06:16.340 --> 01:06:20.090
okay, you're not going to guess
it all that she wants by ace of
925
01:06:20.210 --> 01:06:24.969
base. That's not it, but
that's a good guess. Has An elbow
926
01:06:25.010 --> 01:06:31.050
in it. So they for podcast
listeners. You may have heard something that
927
01:06:31.130 --> 01:06:34.320
sounds very similar to this at the
start of this podcast, because I one
928
01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:40.360
hundred and twelve percent ripped off this
song, my song you hear now?
929
01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:45.719
Yes, okay, the moment you
started speaking, I heard that like the
930
01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:49.949
drums. Okay, awesome, so
I so the the back story is that
931
01:06:50.070 --> 01:06:54.590
the the intro and outro of our
podcast is really just one of my solo
932
01:06:54.670 --> 01:06:57.909
songs that I took the stems and
made a thirty second clip of or whatever.
933
01:06:58.349 --> 01:07:00.909
It's a song I wrote called everything
falls, and it was slower.
934
01:07:00.030 --> 01:07:03.300
It was like twenty bpm slower than
it is now. and One night,
935
01:07:03.420 --> 01:07:06.059
one day, I was listening to
this song in my car and I was
936
01:07:06.139 --> 01:07:10.260
like I couldn't quite figure out the
song. It was this piano thing in
937
01:07:10.699 --> 01:07:13.300
anyway. What you don't hear much
the piano on the part we do in
938
01:07:13.300 --> 01:07:15.539
the song because that's the end of
the song, but the intro of the
939
01:07:15.579 --> 01:07:18.570
song is this piano apart and I
couldn't figure out what to do with the
940
01:07:18.690 --> 01:07:20.769
rest of the song. It could
never quite figure out what to do.
941
01:07:21.170 --> 01:07:24.329
And then I was listening to this
song and I was like that's what it
942
01:07:24.409 --> 01:07:27.889
has to have, is that driving
eighth note kick drum kind of thing,
943
01:07:28.250 --> 01:07:30.119
and I need to speed it up
like twenty bpm. And so I did.
944
01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:32.599
I literally just went in to garage
a band because it was all mitty,
945
01:07:32.840 --> 01:07:35.679
and I just turn the tempo up
and then I'm mitty drum to that
946
01:07:35.760 --> 01:07:40.239
thing and then I had Jeff Hall
actually play the drums, you know well.
947
01:07:41.159 --> 01:07:45.110
And and so you know, I
knew whenever we got around to doing
948
01:07:45.190 --> 01:07:46.869
this record, I was going to
have to fess up that like this song
949
01:07:47.349 --> 01:07:53.150
one hundred percent was like it shaped
the entire and then at that point everything
950
01:07:53.190 --> 01:07:56.550
clicked together with the song. So, unashamedly, I'm telling you, it
951
01:07:56.710 --> 01:07:59.500
influenced me. I was listening to
the car and I was like that is
952
01:07:59.539 --> 01:08:02.539
the right tempo, that is the
right beat for what I'm doing, and
953
01:08:02.659 --> 01:08:08.420
so I stole the beat. So
let me just say something like Aaron,
954
01:08:09.940 --> 01:08:15.090
no matter what happened between me and
you, blake is his own person.
955
01:08:15.690 --> 01:08:18.369
Don't go after him. No,
I don't think you can sue someone for
956
01:08:18.449 --> 01:08:23.210
using a drum beat again now saying
I don't want them to try because of
957
01:08:23.609 --> 01:08:27.159
how things went down between him and
I. So now, if you want
958
01:08:27.159 --> 01:08:29.920
to hear the full thing and go
listen to my solo record. It's the
959
01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:35.920
second track on the record. I
think I can't remember. I think it's
960
01:08:35.920 --> 01:08:42.029
the second track. You should post
the YAW links. Show a little link.
961
01:08:42.069 --> 01:08:43.949
I'll put a link in the show
notes. You think I remember my
962
01:08:44.029 --> 01:08:46.550
own track order, but I camera
it's early in the record. But anyway,
963
01:08:46.550 --> 01:08:49.069
that was my so I love this
song. I think it's a great,
964
01:08:49.470 --> 01:08:53.430
great song, and obviously I stole
the feel for it. So I'm
965
01:08:53.430 --> 01:08:57.699
very much into it and it obviously
influenced the music for a podcast vibject.
966
01:08:59.140 --> 01:09:36.880
Let's go to coffee. I just
absolutely love how loose this song is.
967
01:09:38.239 --> 01:09:42.029
It's like I don't feel like they
even maybe did it to a click.
968
01:09:42.069 --> 01:09:46.510
I mean just feels really what is
crazy song for like a bunch of twenty
969
01:09:46.550 --> 01:09:49.670
year old guys in an email band. This is insanely good. It is
970
01:09:49.750 --> 01:09:54.859
unfair good. It's really makes me
mad. It's so yeah, it's got
971
01:09:54.939 --> 01:10:00.060
like you feel like you're in like
a Jazzy, Smoky Club, just groups
972
01:10:00.140 --> 01:10:03.020
man vibe. Yeah, like some
I feels like you're in a coffee shop.
973
01:10:03.260 --> 01:10:05.699
I mean that's what's even more brilliant. I mean it's got layers.
974
01:10:05.779 --> 01:10:09.329
So like, first of all,
I love the idea, like, for
975
01:10:09.449 --> 01:10:15.329
some reason, the the mental kind
of picture of of getting coffee at night.
976
01:10:15.329 --> 01:10:17.130
Specifically, like I like that he's
asking like if it's not too late
977
01:10:17.170 --> 01:10:19.409
for coffee. Like the idea of
like, oh, we're going out late
978
01:10:19.489 --> 01:10:23.079
at night to get coffee or whatever. I just I don't know. I
979
01:10:23.439 --> 01:10:26.479
remember just like hanging out till whatever, two or three in the morning with
980
01:10:26.600 --> 01:10:29.720
people back when we were kids.
You know, it's like that's what we
981
01:10:29.840 --> 01:10:31.319
would do. We've got to go
out and get you know, for the
982
01:10:31.479 --> 01:10:34.399
there weren't very many places that were
open served. I mean, I don't
983
01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:38.670
drink coffee, but you know that
kind of thing, like a diner or
984
01:10:39.189 --> 01:10:42.750
waffle house was a classic. Or, I hop back in the day village
985
01:10:42.829 --> 01:10:47.510
in going at you have any of
those kind of like this just reminds me
986
01:10:47.630 --> 01:10:51.979
of hanging out with people at a
place like that. Which one did you
987
01:10:53.060 --> 01:10:57.220
say? Kyle? Beverly's? Yeah, Beverly's was awesome vibe, absolutely the
988
01:10:57.260 --> 01:11:02.300
be they really did like going there
at one in the morning. For them
989
01:11:02.380 --> 01:11:10.689
they captured the VIBE. Yeah,
so I just I feel exactly like I'm
990
01:11:10.970 --> 01:11:15.689
twenty, early twenties hang out with
friends, like in the Outro, Guitar,
991
01:11:15.890 --> 01:11:17.800
the line and the Basse following it
just a bit in the box,
992
01:11:18.119 --> 01:11:21.840
the vocals following it just a bit. I mean it's just so good.
993
01:11:25.359 --> 01:11:27.600
Yeah, this is a really good
one. I don't know that I ever
994
01:11:27.680 --> 01:11:31.279
saw them play this live. Actually, maybe I'd have to look back.
995
01:11:31.279 --> 01:11:33.949
I've wrote. I wrote down most
set list, but so many of them
996
01:11:33.989 --> 01:11:38.750
were on paper or stuff that I've
gotta find them. But I don't think
997
01:11:38.789 --> 01:11:41.229
I saw them play this live,
which bumb me out a little bit because
998
01:11:41.270 --> 01:11:45.789
it's a great song. I really
like it and it's, like I said,
999
01:11:45.789 --> 01:11:47.220
I also like the layer of it
feeling like I'm in kind of a
1000
01:11:47.300 --> 01:11:50.739
coffee shop and this band is playing, maybe over in the corner or something.
1001
01:11:51.380 --> 01:11:55.020
I feel like coffee shops always had
that stage in the corner that was
1002
01:11:55.380 --> 01:12:00.380
like eight feet wide. Hiops.
Besides, coffee at ten o'clock just being
1003
01:12:00.420 --> 01:12:03.090
a monster of an idea at our
age. Like, how did how did
1004
01:12:03.090 --> 01:12:06.770
the VIBE play for you? Man? What do you think? Yeah,
1005
01:12:08.289 --> 01:12:13.489
Oh, yeah, I mean honestly, like, I really can't add to
1006
01:12:13.529 --> 01:12:15.840
anything that you guys are saying.
It's it's just got a cool vibe,
1007
01:12:15.920 --> 01:12:19.600
like it was a it was a
surprise for me in a really, really
1008
01:12:19.680 --> 01:12:25.399
nice way. Yeah, you know
what other Song Rem not reminds me of
1009
01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:27.239
the song and I don't know why
I now think of it, but,
1010
01:12:27.359 --> 01:12:30.710
Kyle, what's the song? Is
it the Mensinger's, that song about getting
1011
01:12:30.710 --> 01:12:33.229
Dr Peppers and their water cups?
No, no, that's not the angel.
1012
01:12:33.350 --> 01:12:36.229
That's or go on, the angel. Well, that is that song.
1013
01:12:36.430 --> 01:12:40.430
That lyric does the same thing for
me. It's like takes you to
1014
01:12:40.510 --> 01:12:42.789
I'm lace. It takes you to
a place and goes like. I mean
1015
01:12:42.909 --> 01:12:45.619
that was we did that. You
know, I just and it's such a
1016
01:12:45.060 --> 01:12:48.859
stupid thing to run. I mean
that it seems like a stupid thing to
1017
01:12:48.939 --> 01:12:51.819
write in a song, but I
love it. It's so relatable. Yeah,
1018
01:12:51.859 --> 01:12:55.979
in case anybody's wondering, the line
is and we can fill up both
1019
01:12:56.020 --> 01:12:59.609
of our water cups with Dr Pepper
and the neck like we paid. Yeah,
1020
01:13:01.210 --> 01:13:04.930
that's a great song and a great
album. We could do that on
1021
01:13:05.050 --> 01:13:08.010
this one, right. I mean
even it's a newer we can start doing
1022
01:13:08.130 --> 01:13:10.770
newer. Well there, but I
think, I think they just put out
1023
01:13:10.810 --> 01:13:15.479
a new record. That records fantastic
and I love it. So we should.
1024
01:13:15.479 --> 01:13:17.680
We should do some newer emo records. I think that we're allowed because
1025
01:13:17.920 --> 01:13:21.000
that same article, that vulture article
that I was talking about, it had
1026
01:13:21.000 --> 01:13:25.560
a bunch of stuff from like two
thousand and nineteen and two thousand and seventeen
1027
01:13:25.600 --> 01:13:28.310
and stuff. So I'm like,
okay, we're going to start doing also,
1028
01:13:28.350 --> 01:13:30.390
and if you guys are weirded out
by this or not, but like
1029
01:13:30.590 --> 01:13:34.789
pop punk and and Ska and all
of that stuff, it's like it's coming
1030
01:13:34.909 --> 01:13:40.270
back, like it's machine gun.
Kelly put out a freaking pop punk record.
1031
01:13:41.229 --> 01:13:44.699
I mean I believe it. Everything
cyclical and we're twenty years out.
1032
01:13:45.420 --> 01:13:47.300
Did you just as weird being in
it? You know what I mean?
1033
01:13:47.500 --> 01:13:50.300
Like this is the first time that's
like, Oh, yeah, this is
1034
01:13:50.779 --> 01:13:55.770
this was popular and this is being
recycled. So so, at some point,
1035
01:13:55.890 --> 01:14:00.970
despite the opening line of this being
about early s albums, we will
1036
01:14:01.050 --> 01:14:04.489
probably start diving in to change change
the opening line. Well, no,
1037
01:14:04.649 --> 01:14:08.930
we'll just who cares? We can
do whatever we want. Well, we'll
1038
01:14:08.970 --> 01:14:11.600
do some two thousand and ten stuff
to it, some pos and beeps in
1039
01:14:11.680 --> 01:14:15.920
there. Who knows? Maybe next
week, maybe next week we'll do who
1040
01:14:16.039 --> 01:14:18.880
knows? Stay tuned. You don't, you won't know it. You don't
1041
01:14:18.920 --> 01:14:29.069
subscribe. No one's like gallant.
Subscribe, guys, got let's you got
1042
01:14:29.149 --> 01:14:32.229
it. We're going to two thousand
and thirteen on in. Okay, walking
1043
01:14:32.350 --> 01:14:45.420
downtown, track ten. Here we
go, we are walking down a favorite.
1044
01:15:10.960 --> 01:15:15.039
This one was a single from the
record, actually. I mean they
1045
01:15:15.079 --> 01:15:19.399
did have a video and stuff,
which I always thought was a little strange.
1046
01:15:19.399 --> 01:15:24.310
I like the song a lot,
but I feel like take care is
1047
01:15:25.310 --> 01:15:29.630
more of a like, Oh yeah, that's a single or there cannot be
1048
01:15:29.630 --> 01:15:32.710
a close second would be another one
or testing strong ones. I feel like
1049
01:15:32.750 --> 01:15:38.220
all three of those are more singly
than walking downtown. But it's a good
1050
01:15:38.500 --> 01:15:41.619
song. Kyle. What are your
thoughts on it as someone that is fresh
1051
01:15:41.699 --> 01:15:44.739
to it? Dude, I am
shocked that this is a single because,
1052
01:15:44.859 --> 01:15:46.739
honestly, this is a no for
me, dog, it's a no for
1053
01:15:46.859 --> 01:15:49.289
you, Donc it's not it's not
bad, it's just like this is not
1054
01:15:49.449 --> 01:15:54.369
the one, like, not even
close. I just, in real time,
1055
01:15:54.569 --> 01:15:57.729
just now, found out that this
was a single for you and have
1056
01:15:57.850 --> 01:16:01.770
never been more angry and I can't
believe that. Do you think it was
1057
01:16:01.850 --> 01:16:04.640
more of a it fit? It's
a little more, little more than's a
1058
01:16:04.720 --> 01:16:08.680
little more aggressive. That has to
be it. And they're like yeah,
1059
01:16:08.800 --> 01:16:13.319
kids like this. Because my my
note on this is I actually I don't
1060
01:16:13.359 --> 01:16:16.439
care for the way he's singing on
this song. He like throughout the entire
1061
01:16:16.560 --> 01:16:19.430
rest of the record he's not doing
that, like, like, I don't
1062
01:16:19.430 --> 01:16:24.909
know. It's kind of like throady
and I almost I wrote different singer,
1063
01:16:24.949 --> 01:16:28.109
question mark. I have no idea. I don't like the way sounds on
1064
01:16:28.229 --> 01:16:31.630
it. So that's that's shocking to
me and also that's not me saying that
1065
01:16:31.670 --> 01:16:38.380
I think it sucks. It does
not deserve to be a single and it
1066
01:16:38.579 --> 01:16:41.979
just I'm not vibing on this one
the way that I'm vibing on the rest
1067
01:16:42.020 --> 01:16:45.060
of the songs. So so I
think a really interesting litmus test that we
1068
01:16:45.100 --> 01:16:49.890
can do now with spotify is that
you can look at play counts on stuff,
1069
01:16:50.130 --> 01:16:55.210
and so I'm always interested to see
on these older albums what gets the
1070
01:16:55.289 --> 01:17:00.569
play counts because often, obviously we're
way past single time, so singles aren't
1071
01:17:00.569 --> 01:17:03.680
necessarily getting like the play that like
it would if it was a single right
1072
01:17:03.720 --> 01:17:09.199
now. Okay, that's going to
be super weighted. So walking downtown has
1073
01:17:09.279 --> 01:17:13.640
like three hundred seventy nine thousand,
which is on par for a lot of
1074
01:17:13.720 --> 01:17:15.710
the record. It's like, cannot
be a close. Second is little less
1075
01:17:15.750 --> 01:17:19.109
than that. You know, Paula
sparks is a little bit more than that.
1076
01:17:19.869 --> 01:17:23.270
What do you I mean? What
do you think the one with the
1077
01:17:23.350 --> 01:17:28.390
most is? Without looking it,
if I had to guess, which saw
1078
01:17:28.630 --> 01:17:30.420
like how about this? Are you
asking me which song I think is the
1079
01:17:30.460 --> 01:17:33.420
best, though? Which Song do
you think has the house plays on spotify
1080
01:17:34.819 --> 01:17:41.859
of this album? So for me
I think take care is as a jam
1081
01:17:42.460 --> 01:17:47.489
like take care has five hundred sixty
three thousand, which is more. Has
1082
01:17:47.569 --> 01:17:51.010
More, but it's not the top. The top one has two point four
1083
01:17:51.050 --> 01:17:57.409
million. It is it is it
coughed Hof, it's coffee. What?
1084
01:17:58.800 --> 01:18:01.079
That's cool. I mean. So
I mean it literally. Do you know,
1085
01:18:01.800 --> 01:18:04.840
do you not? Number two is
right with almost a million. That
1086
01:18:05.000 --> 01:18:09.000
was my brightest. Oh yeah,
brighte, great guess for one, but
1087
01:18:09.039 --> 01:18:13.829
I was like it can't be that
obvious. But isn't that interesting that,
1088
01:18:13.949 --> 01:18:16.149
like, you know, brightest,
which is like so many people maybe leave
1089
01:18:16.189 --> 01:18:20.069
off an album, is clearly resonates
with people? I mean to me,
1090
01:18:20.229 --> 01:18:26.029
when you look at spotify plays like
it's clearly what when different songs have different
1091
01:18:26.029 --> 01:18:30.020
play counts, it's because people are
putting them on playlist or they're jam and
1092
01:18:30.060 --> 01:18:32.460
them all the time or whatever the
especially now that people are still playlist centric
1093
01:18:32.460 --> 01:18:36.779
and stuff and shuffling and whatnot.
And so I just think it's interesting that
1094
01:18:36.899 --> 01:18:42.689
like the two songs that I wouldn't
have guessed would have be as popular are
1095
01:18:43.850 --> 01:18:46.090
the most popular, and by a
lot to because walking downtown has, like
1096
01:18:46.130 --> 01:18:49.890
I said, three hundred seventy nine
thousand, verses about a million for brightest
1097
01:18:49.970 --> 01:18:54.010
and two point four for coffee.
Now it's just interesting to me, like
1098
01:18:54.250 --> 01:18:59.960
and it's in. Yeah, and
it. But it also kind of proves
1099
01:18:59.960 --> 01:19:01.199
your point, Kyle. I think
that it makes it not a great single
1100
01:19:01.239 --> 01:19:05.279
because if it was a great single, most bands, their top tracks of
1101
01:19:05.319 --> 01:19:10.470
an album are going to be the
singles, just the natural occurrence of it.
1102
01:19:10.550 --> 01:19:13.989
And I know they were at small
indie label and the band, I
1103
01:19:14.029 --> 01:19:16.149
mean that's like you probably sought out
the video. I'm sure it was shown
1104
01:19:16.189 --> 01:19:20.430
on fuse and MTV two and stuff
like that some, but you know,
1105
01:19:20.590 --> 01:19:25.340
I realize they weren't at the level
of like all Marin rejects singles or something.
1106
01:19:25.739 --> 01:19:30.060
Well, I think that also.
So it sounds. I I guess
1107
01:19:30.100 --> 01:19:32.659
I get why it was the single. One. I think about that time
1108
01:19:32.779 --> 01:19:38.539
and maybe other bands that were popular, but like they didn't sound like those
1109
01:19:38.569 --> 01:19:42.449
bands. And all the special moments
on this record don't sound like this song.
1110
01:19:43.250 --> 01:19:45.329
And so, yes, just I
agree with you, kyle, it
1111
01:19:45.449 --> 01:19:50.170
doesn't it really. I liked the
song fine, but it doesn't fit as
1112
01:19:50.289 --> 01:19:54.560
well on this like it feels out
of place more than anything else on this
1113
01:19:54.680 --> 01:19:58.399
record. Yeah, makes you wonder
if it was one of those like later.
1114
01:19:59.279 --> 01:20:00.640
Well, I mean it can sometimes
and go either way, early on
1115
01:20:00.760 --> 01:20:04.239
in the process or later on in
the process, like Oh, we got
1116
01:20:04.399 --> 01:20:06.590
this and what do you think of
this? We tried at this, we
1117
01:20:06.710 --> 01:20:12.630
tried something like this and came up
with this like an an afterthought or like
1118
01:20:13.109 --> 01:20:17.869
early demo. I wonder, I
wonder what the how this started, because
1119
01:20:18.189 --> 01:20:20.859
for me it's not a single.
You know. I feel like they didn't
1120
01:20:20.859 --> 01:20:25.220
love it either, though, because
they didn't. I remember specifically they didn't.
1121
01:20:25.300 --> 01:20:27.619
They kind of chuck it at the
back of it out because one time
1122
01:20:27.619 --> 01:20:31.420
I yeah, and I asked about
it because we knew a girl that dated
1123
01:20:31.460 --> 01:20:36.090
him when the second record was out. Hey, did he make out with
1124
01:20:36.130 --> 01:20:40.489
you to walk in downtown? No, but like I was I was just
1125
01:20:40.649 --> 01:20:44.609
like, I was just talking about
thee and there were two songs that I
1126
01:20:44.689 --> 01:20:46.729
was really surprised weren't in the set
list, and this was one of them,
1127
01:20:46.770 --> 01:20:49.640
because I remember just being like,
I mean, it's just interesting that
1128
01:20:49.680 --> 01:20:54.039
they didn't play the single or whatever, and I don't remember the explanation anything.
1129
01:20:54.079 --> 01:20:57.880
The other explanation for one of the
songs was all the enough your love
1130
01:20:57.880 --> 01:21:00.760
as a fast song, and it's
because she was just like belting that part
1131
01:21:00.800 --> 01:21:04.829
of the end every night, just
kind of where's your vocals out? So
1132
01:21:04.949 --> 01:21:09.149
I remember her explanation for that.
But, you know, I don't remember
1133
01:21:09.149 --> 01:21:11.350
walking that, but I remember they
didn't play it because I remember just being
1134
01:21:11.350 --> 01:21:14.149
like, Oh, that's interesting,
because but I don't feel like it was
1135
01:21:14.229 --> 01:21:16.510
like a screw you either, you
know how like like Kennan Crow's not playing
1136
01:21:16.510 --> 01:21:19.500
Mr Jones because they felt kind of
weird about it or whatever, because then
1137
01:21:19.500 --> 01:21:23.579
they were famous and it's a song
about wanting to be famous. I get
1138
01:21:23.659 --> 01:21:27.020
that that's a little bit weird maybe, but I feel like they probably just
1139
01:21:27.140 --> 01:21:30.739
thought it was like an okay song
and and didn't feel like it had a
1140
01:21:30.779 --> 01:21:34.050
great spot in their set list.
But anyway, it's interesting. So it
1141
01:21:34.130 --> 01:21:38.369
might just been a total label move. It probably was, would be my
1142
01:21:38.449 --> 01:21:43.369
guess. But shall we go to
the last track when finally set free?
1143
01:21:44.649 --> 01:22:21.020
Let's do it. There we go. Chris thoughts. You know, I'm
1144
01:22:21.060 --> 01:22:27.060
not sure what's going on with this
song. That's kind of just a showcase
1145
01:22:27.140 --> 01:22:30.770
of like different things happening musically and
I don't know, man, I guess
1146
01:22:30.810 --> 01:22:34.609
you have to end this end an
album somehow. I think Chroma, if
1147
01:22:34.609 --> 01:22:39.609
I remember correctly, has a song
called a that ends in a similar way.
1148
01:22:39.890 --> 01:22:45.439
Totally rips this off. Okay,
I'm not crazy, and not in
1149
01:22:45.600 --> 01:22:47.119
a yeah, no, not,
I mean it. Look, we've been
1150
01:22:47.159 --> 01:22:50.560
talking about like influences and stuff like
that, but like that, yeah,
1151
01:22:50.680 --> 01:22:56.359
on that chromo album, that last
copy. Um, it's not, technically
1152
01:22:56.359 --> 01:22:59.310
because really that that song on chrome, which I do like, but it's
1153
01:22:59.390 --> 01:23:01.869
really it's like it's like the last
track on that John Billy and Chorn.
1154
01:23:01.949 --> 01:23:05.109
It's actually like it has clips of
the other songs in it, like melody
1155
01:23:05.189 --> 01:23:09.710
lines and stuff like that. So
it's kind of a cool thing, although
1156
01:23:10.550 --> 01:23:13.420
the downside to it, I would
say, for cartel, would be that
1157
01:23:14.380 --> 01:23:16.859
I had been listening to that album
for a long time before I realized it
1158
01:23:16.979 --> 01:23:20.539
had parts from other songs in it, because that's how much that album kind
1159
01:23:20.579 --> 01:23:25.699
of more together a little bit.
Sometimes it's like I was like, Oh,
1160
01:23:25.779 --> 01:23:29.090
wait, that's the line from tracks. Oh they're doing a thing,
1161
01:23:29.210 --> 01:23:31.409
and I didn't catch on to it
for that long. But yes, it
1162
01:23:31.569 --> 01:23:39.289
had the same exact vibe of the
electronic stuff, which is clearly like Copeland
1163
01:23:39.289 --> 01:23:42.720
gets more into as it goes on. Like I think they didn't do much
1164
01:23:42.720 --> 01:23:44.880
of that on this one. But
like, as the album's go on,
1165
01:23:45.000 --> 01:23:48.560
like he's more especially like the really
recent stuff, and even did a side
1166
01:23:48.640 --> 01:23:54.680
project. Oh Gosh, what's it
called? Something Rabbit, I can't remember,
1167
01:23:54.720 --> 01:23:58.390
but with a guy where he there's
like it's all like programmed and him
1168
01:23:58.390 --> 01:24:00.989
singing over it and stuff like that. So I think he's into that kind
1169
01:24:00.029 --> 01:24:02.670
of thing. But it does feel
a little bit out of left field,
1170
01:24:02.710 --> 01:24:05.270
a little bit for the rest of
this record, I agree. But I
1171
01:24:05.350 --> 01:24:10.859
do like it as a last track
because it's kind of it feels like a
1172
01:24:10.899 --> 01:24:15.180
last track. It got like this
is yeah, it this songs utility is
1173
01:24:15.300 --> 01:24:18.939
like to kind of wrap everything up
and but it's not something you would like
1174
01:24:18.979 --> 01:24:21.220
put on a mixtape. You would, oh you've got to hear this Copeland
1175
01:24:21.260 --> 01:24:25.090
Song. You know, we when
finally set free it. It just,
1176
01:24:25.289 --> 01:24:29.529
you know, yeah, it's purpose
is like to fulfill the ending of this
1177
01:24:29.649 --> 01:24:34.970
album. Yeah, and I mean
look, this one like clearly about the
1178
01:24:35.010 --> 01:24:39.399
grandma, though I mean for most
of the most part we are kind of
1179
01:24:39.600 --> 01:24:43.880
maybe a little bit obscuring what we're
really talking about. But I mean this
1180
01:24:43.920 --> 01:24:46.760
one, I mean clearly, and
I think the the title says enough about
1181
01:24:46.760 --> 01:24:49.000
it. But so I like it. I think it's a good I think
1182
01:24:49.039 --> 01:24:54.470
it's good any track. Kyle,
where you at on it? I I
1183
01:24:54.590 --> 01:24:58.750
thought it was good. I thought
it I'm I'm probably somewhere in between you
1184
01:24:58.789 --> 01:25:00.949
guys. Like, I thought was
fine. I think a lot of the
1185
01:25:00.989 --> 01:25:05.430
stuff that's going on is cool and
and I think it sounds like an in
1186
01:25:05.710 --> 01:25:11.260
track. Yeah, which I'm all
for, the the in track that is
1187
01:25:11.539 --> 01:25:14.060
literally for the purpose of being being
the last track on the record. Like
1188
01:25:14.140 --> 01:25:17.739
I like that. I like it
more than we talked a lot about the
1189
01:25:17.779 --> 01:25:21.449
last two tracks of records and and
did they get the order right, and
1190
01:25:21.529 --> 01:25:25.489
I think we're right here. I
mean I think that it is weird to
1191
01:25:25.529 --> 01:25:29.369
have the single from the album be
the second to last track. It does
1192
01:25:29.409 --> 01:25:33.090
feel like it just is kind of
in there, and I almost agree.
1193
01:25:33.130 --> 01:25:35.680
You could almost like well, well, I guess we'll talk about that in
1194
01:25:35.680 --> 01:25:38.439
a second. So let's okay,
let's go to that. So let's go
1195
01:25:38.479 --> 01:25:42.039
to lasting impressions. Does it hold
up? And this will be an interesting
1196
01:25:42.039 --> 01:25:45.960
one because Chris and I are coming
from having heard this eighteen years ago and
1197
01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:47.479
Kyle's coming up from being brain new. So let's go to Kyle First,
1198
01:25:47.840 --> 01:25:51.590
because I'm interesting to interest to know
what you feel like listening to this now.
1199
01:25:53.949 --> 01:25:57.430
So, like I said before,
there's no way that I can listen
1200
01:25:57.470 --> 01:26:00.550
to this and not like there are
a couple times that I mentioned I immediately
1201
01:26:00.590 --> 01:26:05.380
thought of other songs from other artists. So I can't, I can't listen
1202
01:26:05.420 --> 01:26:11.779
to it without recognizing who it influenced. And so yeah, I mean I
1203
01:26:11.819 --> 01:26:16.140
think it hold it holds up.
It it inspired other artists to make music
1204
01:26:16.220 --> 01:26:23.729
that I love and in it still
sounds it's still sounds really good and like,
1205
01:26:24.170 --> 01:26:27.250
although it captures a moment in time, I think like, sound wise,
1206
01:26:27.609 --> 01:26:32.680
it doesn't sound bad, you know, like it's still sounds good and
1207
01:26:32.880 --> 01:26:36.600
it's still rocks. So yeah,
I think so. Chris, what are
1208
01:26:36.600 --> 01:26:42.880
your thoughts on it holding up?
You know it. There are some songs
1209
01:26:42.920 --> 01:26:47.590
that are, I don't want to
use the word dated as in meaning I
1210
01:26:47.670 --> 01:26:50.069
don't want it sound like it,
like they're from a time and like they
1211
01:26:50.109 --> 01:26:55.670
just don't have relevance anymore. But
it, Kyle, what Kyle was saying
1212
01:26:56.310 --> 01:26:59.109
could not have struck a stronger chord
with me about it just like taking you
1213
01:26:59.229 --> 01:27:03.699
to a time and place. So
in some respects, in that way.
1214
01:27:03.699 --> 01:27:06.939
I almost want to say it doesn't
quite hold up, but it that doesn't
1215
01:27:06.939 --> 01:27:13.260
end up being true at all because
revisiting the record, I kind of learned
1216
01:27:13.380 --> 01:27:16.409
to respect like what was happening musically
in a new and more profound way that
1217
01:27:16.489 --> 01:27:19.770
I didn't when I was younger.
And I mean I know we talked,
1218
01:27:19.810 --> 01:27:24.289
me went nuts about the coffee song, but it at this is still mature,
1219
01:27:24.609 --> 01:27:27.890
incredible song. I mean that I
feel like I need to put that
1220
01:27:28.010 --> 01:27:32.039
on like, like on Dinner Party
playlists and things like that. Like it
1221
01:27:32.319 --> 01:27:39.159
just they just have some really interesting
musical things that they did. They and
1222
01:27:39.319 --> 01:27:42.039
even though they kind of captured the
essence of the era at the time,
1223
01:27:42.079 --> 01:27:45.510
I also think that it absolutely holds
up. There's a few songs that kind
1224
01:27:45.550 --> 01:27:48.949
of feel a little like like maybe
they should just stay back in that time,
1225
01:27:49.029 --> 01:27:51.550
like they don't like they don't hold
up quite as well as they would
1226
01:27:51.550 --> 01:27:54.750
today. Yeah, you couldn't play
it for a younger kid today. Be
1227
01:27:54.829 --> 01:27:56.949
Like it in the school and they
bilge. That's not cool. Yeah,
1228
01:27:57.510 --> 01:28:00.260
do it sound like all other emo
to them? Yeah, I mean it
1229
01:28:00.539 --> 01:28:03.779
them's these like you know these there's
these variations on that that our guard dude,
1230
01:28:03.979 --> 01:28:08.260
that's not the case at all.
Yeah, I think so. For
1231
01:28:08.380 --> 01:28:11.699
me, I really love this record, but I also feel like there are
1232
01:28:12.140 --> 01:28:16.329
definitely parts of it that felt like
they were doing what was, I don't
1233
01:28:16.369 --> 01:28:19.090
want say popular, because I don't
feel like this record sounds like some other
1234
01:28:19.130 --> 01:28:21.770
thing or something like that at the
time, but some of it does feel
1235
01:28:21.810 --> 01:28:25.930
like, oh, but that's,
you know, that's what you know,
1236
01:28:26.689 --> 01:28:30.000
whereas when they took the risks,
I feel like they got rewarded more.
1237
01:28:30.159 --> 01:28:31.199
I mean, you look at the
spotify play count and you look at like
1238
01:28:31.520 --> 01:28:36.680
brightest and coffee, and I mean
I think even in Paula sparks and California
1239
01:28:36.720 --> 01:28:40.359
kind of with that going on and
stuff, because I think those are the
1240
01:28:40.399 --> 01:28:43.310
ones that most people were like super
attracted to at the time. Those were
1241
01:28:43.350 --> 01:28:45.550
the kind of songs that everyone was
like, if they were going to play
1242
01:28:45.550 --> 01:28:46.789
a song for someone who was like
those two songs, I go check this
1243
01:28:46.869 --> 01:28:50.949
out. But some of it does
feel like, you know, I can
1244
01:28:50.989 --> 01:28:54.829
see how it would like blend with
a lot of other stuff that happened around
1245
01:28:54.869 --> 01:28:57.500
them, but I do wonder,
like, I mean, how much of
1246
01:28:57.579 --> 01:29:00.779
that is because they influenced people and
then it we're really we really have the
1247
01:29:00.859 --> 01:29:08.100
fatigue from other people doing what Copeland
did and so which is kind of interesting
1248
01:29:08.100 --> 01:29:11.050
because I feel like there was a
lot more. Keep in mind the other
1249
01:29:11.130 --> 01:29:14.850
thing that happened right around this time
is that cold play is gigantic, and
1250
01:29:14.930 --> 01:29:16.409
so copeland got a lot of like, oh, they're kind of cold players,
1251
01:29:16.409 --> 01:29:20.369
which I think is mostly because he
played piano sometimes and had and sang
1252
01:29:20.409 --> 01:29:25.279
falsetto sometimes. I really don't hear
a lot of similarities between those two bands,
1253
01:29:25.680 --> 01:29:29.640
but you did have a lot of
people start sounding like, I feel
1254
01:29:29.680 --> 01:29:32.399
like, in the vein of that
kind of thing and doing the falsetto thing
1255
01:29:32.479 --> 01:29:36.680
and some of that stuff, and
so I think people got a little bit
1256
01:29:39.510 --> 01:29:43.350
worn down by it a little bit
maybe at the time. There's just so
1257
01:29:43.470 --> 01:29:45.430
much of that going on time and
it is so odd to think this this
1258
01:29:45.590 --> 01:29:48.550
kind of predated that. I mean
in some ways they yeah, a little
1259
01:29:48.550 --> 01:29:54.340
bit like so, let's see,
I'd have to look up. I mean
1260
01:29:54.340 --> 01:29:58.180
I know that rushable of the head
came out two thousand and two, so
1261
01:29:58.340 --> 01:30:01.619
that came out just the year,
like about eight months before this album came
1262
01:30:01.659 --> 01:30:05.220
out, and that album was obviously
really big and the scientist and all that
1263
01:30:05.340 --> 01:30:08.930
stuff, and so I, you
know, I feel like a lot of
1264
01:30:09.010 --> 01:30:13.250
people start doing that thing, and
so I think that's why it feels like
1265
01:30:13.409 --> 01:30:15.090
two thousand and three. It's not
so much that, it's because there was
1266
01:30:15.130 --> 01:30:19.689
so much that came after it that
sounded like in this sort of vain ish
1267
01:30:21.159 --> 01:30:26.000
but I think it's still a good
record, which brings us to the next
1268
01:30:26.000 --> 01:30:29.359
one. Is it their best album? And I'm going to guess that,
1269
01:30:29.399 --> 01:30:33.239
Kyle just stuff half enough knowledge of
the discography to know. Although did you
1270
01:30:33.319 --> 01:30:36.470
listen to the other albums at all, Kyle? I did. That's okay
1271
01:30:36.510 --> 01:30:41.710
thing. So, like I listened
a let me see, I don't.
1272
01:30:41.789 --> 01:30:45.909
I didn't listen them, to them
enough to like have everything all there.
1273
01:30:45.470 --> 01:30:49.100
Did you have one that like just
stuck out more the first time you listen
1274
01:30:49.180 --> 01:30:51.420
to it? I mean, you
are assume you didn't get to do a
1275
01:30:51.539 --> 01:31:02.500
deep dive on any of them.
So I believe the Copeland Record I listened
1276
01:31:02.539 --> 01:31:09.329
to the most is you are my
sunshine. HMM. So, so that
1277
01:31:09.409 --> 01:31:13.369
one I kind of but but I
also don't feel like I'm qualified. I
1278
01:31:13.569 --> 01:31:15.529
listened to other Copeland records, but
I don't feel like I'm qualified to answer
1279
01:31:15.569 --> 01:31:18.520
this question. That's okay. I
mean I feel like I'm not aways just
1280
01:31:18.640 --> 01:31:24.199
interested to know what you think.
By you I mean obviously I'm interested what
1281
01:31:24.239 --> 01:31:26.880
you think, but I'm also interested
in, like, what anyone that hasn't
1282
01:31:26.960 --> 01:31:30.199
like delved into a catalog and isn't
already a fan thinks, because I think
1283
01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:35.949
sometimes you with the those people have
the most interesting opinions because they're they're literally
1284
01:31:35.989 --> 01:31:40.510
void of any of the like baggage, you know, because there's some people
1285
01:31:40.550 --> 01:31:42.630
are like, oh, I like
their old stuff because it's before they were
1286
01:31:42.670 --> 01:31:45.590
popular, which is like my least
favorite thing people say, and then there's
1287
01:31:45.590 --> 01:31:47.539
other people that are like, you
know, they just like whatever was the
1288
01:31:47.579 --> 01:31:51.260
thing they were introduced to, like
that's the album that in and no one
1289
01:31:51.340 --> 01:31:54.659
really has an objective view of it. I mean, I know it's a
1290
01:31:54.699 --> 01:31:59.659
subjective thing you're asking people about music, but I just enjoy asking people like,
1291
01:31:59.739 --> 01:32:00.810
when you haven't heard any of it, what's the one that stuck with
1292
01:32:00.850 --> 01:32:03.329
you? So it's interesting. That's
I think it's I think it's your my
1293
01:32:03.409 --> 01:32:11.649
sunshine for me, Chris, do
you have an opinion? It's it's crazy.
1294
01:32:11.689 --> 01:32:14.250
It Cole said that, like being
you, I don't know, emotions
1295
01:32:14.289 --> 01:32:17.720
kind of hard to beat, though
too it's also a great record. I
1296
01:32:17.800 --> 01:32:23.479
feel like they did a really good
job for software. Record in motion is,
1297
01:32:23.680 --> 01:32:28.159
to me, a step up from
this record. And then eat sleep
1298
01:32:28.239 --> 01:32:31.470
repeat, I think, is my
favorite, though. It's just I feel
1299
01:32:31.470 --> 01:32:34.630
like they did a nice little ramp
up. And what's weird is that I
1300
01:32:34.949 --> 01:32:38.869
really did not like eat sleep repete
when it first came out, and it
1301
01:32:38.949 --> 01:32:42.670
took me. It probably took me
like five or six listens of it,
1302
01:32:42.829 --> 01:32:45.699
and in fact I remember hearing eat
sleep like first of all it was just
1303
01:32:45.779 --> 01:32:48.739
the wrong place, wrong time.
I remember like being in my girlfriend's car
1304
01:32:49.020 --> 01:32:53.300
driving like through Ohio with no air
conditioning, with the windows down. You
1305
01:32:53.340 --> 01:32:58.180
can't list that's not a Copeland's not
that's not the vibe and none the vibe.
1306
01:32:58.260 --> 01:33:00.010
And then I remember like a venue
was playing it and finally I was
1307
01:33:00.090 --> 01:33:03.489
like okay, like, you know, with it in the background and kind
1308
01:33:03.489 --> 01:33:08.449
of not and I was started like
noticing things like because I wasn't actively listening,
1309
01:33:08.489 --> 01:33:10.250
and that's when I was like,
wait a minute, I think I
1310
01:33:10.329 --> 01:33:12.489
liked this record. And then I
started listening that I was like, okay,
1311
01:33:12.529 --> 01:33:14.720
no, I think so. I
think easleep peat is my favorite one,
1312
01:33:15.279 --> 01:33:18.880
although I've never done the excera twin
thing for you guys. Right,
1313
01:33:19.239 --> 01:33:23.000
Nope, you keep promising you all. We got to do it sometimes.
1314
01:33:23.079 --> 01:33:26.119
So, for those that know don't
know that Copeland when they so, they
1315
01:33:26.159 --> 01:33:28.350
took like a hiatus in like two
thousand and ten. They come back in
1316
01:33:28.430 --> 01:33:31.550
two thousand and fourteen, I think, and do a record called Excera,
1317
01:33:31.909 --> 01:33:35.270
and they did it like kind of
crowdfunding style. They did like the hey,
1318
01:33:35.590 --> 01:33:39.590
you know, help us make this
record, and so part of the
1319
01:33:39.710 --> 01:33:42.140
deal of that if, of course
I was a huge coupelan fan, so
1320
01:33:42.220 --> 01:33:44.020
I was like, I will pay
you the money and let you make the
1321
01:33:44.100 --> 01:33:46.460
record. will part of the deal
of that is like everyone that did the
1322
01:33:46.539 --> 01:33:50.420
pre order basically help fund the record, got this version of the record that
1323
01:33:50.500 --> 01:33:56.170
had two discs and two totally different
mixes of the record that you could play
1324
01:33:56.210 --> 01:34:01.050
independent, independently or together. So
there were literally vocal parts on one CD
1325
01:34:01.250 --> 01:34:05.930
that weren't on the other one and
there were like parts that and so you
1326
01:34:05.970 --> 01:34:09.890
could listen to them individually, like
it was a mix. It wasn't like
1327
01:34:10.680 --> 01:34:14.479
a u. But then weird if
you list a one like you could list
1328
01:34:14.560 --> 01:34:15.640
of one or the other. Yeah, and you listen one to the other
1329
01:34:15.800 --> 01:34:19.199
or you could listen to together.
So they're like literally it was like you
1330
01:34:19.239 --> 01:34:23.039
either have to get you have to
get to CD players. So what I
1331
01:34:23.159 --> 01:34:26.029
did was, like I, of
course, you know, went full nerd
1332
01:34:26.149 --> 01:34:29.590
on it and put it in logic
and then I can run two speakers through
1333
01:34:29.630 --> 01:34:32.350
my sound card behind me into in
front of me and you I can play
1334
01:34:32.390 --> 01:34:35.789
the whole thing and like this weird
surround sound thing. But it's not like
1335
01:34:35.909 --> 01:34:41.140
a gimmicky thing. It's like the
coolest production thing I've ever heard on a
1336
01:34:41.220 --> 01:34:44.619
record, like ever. And so, but unfortunate. Mean it literally I
1337
01:34:44.659 --> 01:34:46.539
have to set up a second set
of speakers and like you have to come
1338
01:34:46.659 --> 01:34:50.539
sit in this chair that I'm sitting
in in my office and and listen to
1339
01:34:50.539 --> 01:34:53.449
the record. So yeah, we
need you, Kyle. You got to
1340
01:34:53.489 --> 01:34:56.649
come do it sometime because it's got
some stuff on it that I'm just like,
1341
01:34:56.850 --> 01:35:00.529
it's amazing. It's not necessarily my
favorite album of there's song for Song
1342
01:35:00.609 --> 01:35:05.890
Wise, but production wise it's the
coolest thing and a pretty ambitious thing to
1343
01:35:05.970 --> 01:35:10.960
do for a band that like literally
crowdfunded the record to do it. They're
1344
01:35:10.960 --> 01:35:13.199
like yeah, we're going to mix
to eight, and I think it was
1345
01:35:13.279 --> 01:35:15.600
actually a little delayed. They were
like hey, we're going to send you
1346
01:35:15.680 --> 01:35:18.800
the twin version, but it's delayed
because it took a lot longer for us
1347
01:35:18.800 --> 01:35:23.109
to we thought this would be easier
than it was. It was a lot
1348
01:35:23.189 --> 01:35:27.149
harder to mix, apparently, to
records that then work well when you play
1349
01:35:27.149 --> 01:35:30.149
them together. So I think that's
one of the more creative things I've ever
1350
01:35:30.229 --> 01:35:32.949
heard someone do. So I feel
like he just got better after this album.
1351
01:35:32.949 --> 01:35:35.340
But it's still a really good album
and I don't want a dog on
1352
01:35:35.420 --> 01:35:39.819
it. But I'm with you,
Chriss. I think in motions a fantastic
1353
01:35:39.939 --> 01:35:42.979
record and edges this one out a
little bit. And then eat, sleep,
1354
01:35:43.020 --> 01:35:45.819
repeat also edges those both out.
And I love you, are my
1355
01:35:45.899 --> 01:35:48.859
sunshine. To Cole, I really
feel like it's a little like Jimmy eat
1356
01:35:48.899 --> 01:35:51.770
world for me. I really just
like those four records a lot. It's
1357
01:35:51.810 --> 01:35:56.210
hard for me to pick. So
that's my long winded way of saying no,
1358
01:35:56.369 --> 01:35:59.250
I don't think it's their their best
album, but it's not still very
1359
01:35:59.289 --> 01:36:02.649
good. And then I always ask
is it their most important album? It's
1360
01:36:02.689 --> 01:36:05.760
our no, with a smaller band
like this. I mean I think it's
1361
01:36:05.800 --> 01:36:11.680
a great debut record, but oh
absolutely, I think they did cooler stuff
1362
01:36:11.800 --> 01:36:16.680
with the stuff that followed. Yep, yeah, okay. So desert island
1363
01:36:16.720 --> 01:36:19.829
songs. Two or three of your
favorites, Kyle, I'm interested to hear
1364
01:36:19.909 --> 01:36:28.909
yours. So my three are brightest, take care and she changes her mind.
1365
01:36:30.670 --> 01:36:34.260
Those are good ones, Chris.
What are yours? I love brightest.
1366
01:36:34.300 --> 01:36:36.859
I like I said, my near
and dear to my heart. Is
1367
01:36:38.220 --> 01:36:43.300
just great memories of hearing that Song
for the first time on Rory's floor,
1368
01:36:43.500 --> 01:36:47.609
like in you know, sleeping my
sleeping bag. Ten Ten second ESP so
1369
01:36:47.810 --> 01:36:51.210
I didn't have to worry about getting
excited, no shaking the CD player with
1370
01:36:51.489 --> 01:36:57.170
with the thrill. It wasn't going
to skip. And then when Paul sparks
1371
01:36:57.250 --> 01:37:02.000
that songs just impossible beat. Coffee, man, love coffee. Tommy's a
1372
01:37:02.039 --> 01:37:04.640
great song. It's really hard for
me to pick three on this one.
1373
01:37:05.199 --> 01:37:12.239
I think I go. I think
they are cannot be a close second because,
1374
01:37:12.319 --> 01:37:15.359
you know, I ripped it off
and whatnot. It's a great song
1375
01:37:15.520 --> 01:37:17.789
and I think I have to go. Paula sparks in California back to back,
1376
01:37:17.989 --> 01:37:21.869
but it's so hard to beat.
It's really hard to leave brightest off
1377
01:37:21.949 --> 01:37:27.510
this list, though, because it
really is a beautiful song. So yeah,
1378
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I think those would be my three. What about nobody's perfect? I
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think we know that Kyle's is going
to be walking downtown. Is that fair
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to fair to guess based on your
the single? No for you, dog.
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So the single. I mean it's
that the first time a single has
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01:37:40.340 --> 01:37:44.369
gotten the it's a no for me
dog. Nobody's perfect on this podcast.
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01:37:44.449 --> 01:37:46.729
So single it just means some people
at the label pick, like you know,
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I don't know, like blindfold themselves
it, put their finger down on
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01:37:49.689 --> 01:37:53.890
the track listing right, but they
think that's the track that's going to attract
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01:37:53.930 --> 01:37:59.800
people to the band in the album
wrong, and so I do wonder if
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they could have benefited from a from
a better single decision. But I don't
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know. I mean I have no
idea what went into it. Chris,
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is that yours or do you have
a different one now? It was mine.
1390
01:38:09.960 --> 01:38:12.640
I didn't talk much about it,
but yeah, that that song just
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01:38:12.720 --> 01:38:16.390
feels very ubrupt to me. Just
kind of comes up, comes at you
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01:38:16.470 --> 01:38:19.029
a little too hot. I'm with
Kyle and that one. That was that
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01:38:19.229 --> 01:38:24.989
was my robe under face too.
I think I'm yeah, rhyming town with
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01:38:25.069 --> 01:38:28.180
town, not yeah. I think
I'm with you guys too. I think
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01:38:28.220 --> 01:38:31.500
I I think that might be the
weakest song on the record. I don't
1396
01:38:31.500 --> 01:38:36.340
think it's a which is just weird. Like I said, it's not.
1397
01:38:36.539 --> 01:38:40.380
It's not bad. It just doesn't
feel like there rest the record and it's
1398
01:38:40.420 --> 01:38:45.649
not a bad song. It just
feels like nobody's perfect exactly. We're not
1399
01:38:45.770 --> 01:38:48.569
saying terrible. It didn't get a
crap sandwich from Chris. It's not that
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01:38:48.770 --> 01:38:54.489
bad. No, no, growing
out of Shit. No, it's not
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01:38:54.529 --> 01:38:57.000
even bad. It's a still good
song. We're just literally we have to
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01:38:57.079 --> 01:38:59.359
do this if we're going to pick
one. Okay, it's the law.
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01:39:00.479 --> 01:39:02.840
Growing out a shower. You guys
have a one. That I maybe wasn't
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01:39:02.840 --> 01:39:05.119
your favorite one. Yeah, you, kyle can't have one. He's only
1405
01:39:05.199 --> 01:39:09.760
listened this record for the first time
like ever. Chris, do you have
1406
01:39:09.880 --> 01:39:14.350
a grower out of shower? I
don't remember the song coffee having any influence
1407
01:39:14.430 --> 01:39:16.430
on me whatsoever. I want to
revisit it. It was like my favorite
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01:39:16.470 --> 01:39:19.350
song on the record, so obviously
that one wins hands down for me.
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01:39:20.029 --> 01:39:23.750
I think it's just a word.
I think it's coffee or when finally set
1410
01:39:23.869 --> 01:39:26.819
free. For me, I feel
like I didn't appreciate them as much and
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01:39:28.380 --> 01:39:34.619
in and I also I don't think
I think the nostalgia of coffee, of
1412
01:39:34.859 --> 01:39:39.729
the song coffee, you know,
of like Oh, like that didn't mean
1413
01:39:39.770 --> 01:39:42.529
as much to me when I was
twenty, if that makes sense, like
1414
01:39:42.609 --> 01:39:46.609
like going out and like the sentimentality
of that and the the lyrics just means
1415
01:39:46.729 --> 01:39:50.569
so much more to me now as
someone that could not possibly go out of
1416
01:39:50.649 --> 01:39:57.840
too in the morning to IOP but
I would maybe physically die. So you
1417
01:39:57.920 --> 01:40:00.680
know, I think it sounds like
a nightmare, to be honest. Yeah,
1418
01:40:00.760 --> 01:40:03.600
and so, yeah, I've not
been to an eyehop in I can't
1419
01:40:03.640 --> 01:40:06.079
remember how long, and I've not
been to beverly's and forever, and I
1420
01:40:06.149 --> 01:40:12.109
certainly haven't been either one of those
establishments after the hour of midnight. So
1421
01:40:13.510 --> 01:40:15.989
you know, I feel like I'm
a little nostalgic for that maybe, and
1422
01:40:15.029 --> 01:40:17.909
so that's why the song is also
grown on me. So I think I'm
1423
01:40:17.909 --> 01:40:20.310
with you on those two. And
I think when finally set free is just
1424
01:40:20.350 --> 01:40:24.340
because it is kind of a last
track kind of thing, and so I
1425
01:40:24.420 --> 01:40:29.739
feel like it's it's a real kind
of grower and warm a kind of warm
1426
01:40:29.779 --> 01:40:32.579
up on you. So well,
I think that's it for us. So
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01:40:32.739 --> 01:40:35.289
thanks for listening and again, if
you like what you hear, you know,
1428
01:40:35.569 --> 01:40:41.050
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1429
01:40:41.170 --> 01:40:44.170
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1430
01:40:44.250 --> 01:40:47.850
little notification that says finding email has
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1431
01:40:49.239 --> 01:40:53.000
and I don't know what we're doing
next. We actually haven't picked it yet.
1432
01:40:53.039 --> 01:40:58.199
So but you can send us disagreements
or comments or tell us that we
1433
01:40:58.359 --> 01:41:01.600
got the state wrong that a band
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1434
01:41:01.640 --> 01:41:05.510
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1435
01:41:05.590 --> 01:41:11.029
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