Field Notes From The Unknown: Hello, I'm Casey. And I'm Mackenzie. And this is Field Notes from the Unknown, a podcast about your favorite local cryptid.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Hi.
Casey: Hi. Wow, that
Mackenzie Hrubey: What you whatcha drinking over there?
Casey: Curious Gord. Isn't he cute?
Mackenzie Hrubey: He's really cute.
Casey: It's like a pumpkin spice beer, pretty much. That's what it is. It's delicious.
Mackenzie Hrubey: nice. Okay. Fancy. Yeah. I've got apple cider with apple cider moonshine in it.
Casey: Ooh look at us. I love that.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Very fall.
Casey: So are you ready for today's story?
Mackenzie Hrubey: I am, you know, it is a crispy day. the sun is almost set. It's cloudy outside. I have a fan blowing autumn air on me. I've got two different candles here that are very, you know, folly and I'm in the mood for a cryptid story.
Casey: Well, I hate to bust your bubble but I hate to burst your bubble. I don't have
Mackenzie Hrubey: Bust my bubble?
Casey: burp. I don't have a cryptid for you today.
Mackenzie Hrubey: But I thought I thought we were aren't we? Field notes from the unknown. A podcast about your favorite local cryptid?
Casey: I did, but this one is gonna change and we are Field Notes from the Unknown, a podcast about your favorite local conspiracy.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Okay, well I am I am ready. Give me some government. Is
Casey: Government. So
Mackenzie Hrubey: it the government? Okay.
Casey: Today we're going to step away from cryptids and we're gonna talk about the conspiracy theories of the Smithsonian.
Mackenzie Hrubey: okay. This is different.
Casey: Right?
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, I like it. question before we begin.
Casey: Yes.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Will there be a any UFOs in it?
Casey: No, no.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Okay, what about two lost photographs? Okay, what about ticks and biological weapons?
Casey: no. No. None of those.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Okay. Okay.
Casey: So if you recall we've talked about giants and missing giant bones, right?
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: And nobody knows what happened to them?
Mackenzie Hrubey: Where did they go?
Casey: Well the Smithsonian knows and they're not telling anybody.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Let's break in there.
Casey: So these bones were really sought after and Let me I'm gonna pause and we're not gonna get into the bones yet. I wanna talk about the Smithsonian for just a little bit. But we are gonna talk about the bones. That is the main
Mackenzie Hrubey: Okay. Alright.
Casey: part of the story is those missing giant bones.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Alright, I'm getting comfy so I can I can really engage with the Smithsonian.
Casey: So the Smithsonian has over one hundred and fifty five million items in its twenty museums and off site storage, which are located
Mackenzie Hrubey: That's a lot.
Casey: right, which are located in D C, Maryland and even New York. Their collections range from slingshots to space shuttles, ants to elephants, and even the scarecrow the original scarecrow costume from Wizard of Oz, Mr. Rogers red sweater, and
Mackenzie Hrubey: What?
Casey: the original stopwatch from 60 Minutes. Right? I know.
Mackenzie Hrubey: my god. Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. That's great. Cool.
Casey: What what could really possibly be hiding in these basements? Of several locations.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Rats and black mold?
Casey: We're not talking about just one. Like that is a lot of items that they have and that they're not all shown. They're not all open to the public.
Mackenzie Hrubey: You said one point five million? How many items?
Casey: A hundred and fifty five million.
Mackenzie Hrubey: A hundred and my god, I was off by an entire factor of a hundred. Wow.
Casey: Yeah, a hundred and fifty five million.
Mackenzie Hrubey: That's fucking crazy. Excuse my French.
Casey: I I know. There have been numerous accounts claiming that the Smithsonian is actually withholding artifacts from the public's site that could possibly change the narrative of what we accept of what history is that we the history we accept today. Which is why they're hiding the giant
Mackenzie Hrubey: Interesting.
Casey: bones. I believe so.
Mackenzie Hrubey: So where do the giant bones come from?
Casey: We're gonna get into that. Just not yet. Y it's anticipation. We're building it up.
Mackenzie Hrubey: It's the Antissa. Haitian.
Casey: So between twenty fifteen and twenty nineteen, the Smithsonian reportedly mishandled a hundred and fifteen artifacts.
Mackenzie Hrubey: What does mishandled mean?
Casey: They don't know where they're at.
Mackenzie Hrubey: They just lost them.
Casey: They just don't know. Some of these items were actually displayed at one time and then later removed without any explanation and nobody really knows what happened to them. However, whistleblowers have come forward to express their frustration over what they describe as institutional resistance to change and the failure to display some of the most uncomfortable truths about history, which we have witnessed within this administration of the Smithsonian bending and taking exhibits down, which is, you know. upsetting. 'Cause I don't
Mackenzie Hrubey: Absolutely.
Casey: I don't think any museum should be taking down any type of history, regardless of what it is. It's history. And I feel everyone has
Mackenzie Hrubey: Unless you're I could see I mean I can see if you're gonna keep it well and not, you know, mishandle it or lose it, that y you're if you have a museum and there's only so much space, isn't it make sense to rotate out stock and you know, like you can only rotate exhibits?
Casey: Yes. A hundred percent. I believe, you know, rotating exhibits are great. But I also feel like some things just need to stay. Like and and to be honest, this they have so much space. I think one of the museums has a whole area dedicated to the rotating exhibit. Like when I went to the Smithsonian one time they had a rotating exhibit that was Julia Child. And like
Mackenzie Hrubey: I think I saw that one.
Casey: it had a mock of her kit it was actually really nice. Which I
Mackenzie Hrubey: E yeah, with the she got like the things where he would hang your pots up on the wall.
Casey: wanna do. Like I want a pokeboard to hang all my pots on. I think that's an excellent idea.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Me too. We should add this to the list of important features for if we ever decide to form a commune. The commune kitchen. The cult commune kitchen. The Nope, nope, not gonna
Casey: The colt. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It'll Colt during the or col commune during the day, colt at night. I feel like there's a pitch in there somewhere we could do.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Only if you're consenting.
Casey: Yeah.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Tell me more about the Smithsonian.
Casey: What if I told you the history that they taught us in school was actually false and before our existence and the first settlers, there was a giant race that roamed the continent.
Mackenzie Hrubey: I have heard rumor of this before. I will not rule it out. I do think that definitely like the way that the fact that government can influence what is taught in schools is problematic
Casey: Is disgusting.
Mackenzie Hrubey: and does in fact change what people then remember as history because the history is, you know, set by the people that are alive and are in power. So I think definitely history can be different than it is is taught. I have yet to find really captivating giant evidence. So I'm excited for you to tell me about it.
Casey: So the from the early eighteen hundreds through the nineteen twenties, newspapers across the United States wrote about the discovery of these human skeletons of such an incredible size, from New York to California to Wisconsin and the Deep South. They were everywhere. This isn't
Mackenzie Hrubey: How big?
Casey: just we'll get into the size then. Because I also have my thought on that. This isn't just a one isolated incident though. Researchers have compelled over one thousand accounts of skeletons measuring between seven to twelve feet tall.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Wow.
Casey: So here's the thing. Joe's six feet tall. So back in the day, like In the eighteen hundreds, would Joe have been considered a giant? Like that's that's my one issue here is I think now humans have evolved and we're so we're a lot of us are tall. Not all of us, but a good part of the population are tall. So would we have
Mackenzie Hrubey: And we're not.
Casey: considered Yeah, I get it. We're not seven to twelve feet. But some people aren't
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: shy of seven feet.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. But on that note, like is it possible that you know how do you remember that I mean this could be totally false and I'm just pulling this out of my butt, but for some time wasn't the actual measurement of the foot related to the actual foot size of the king of England at the time and therefore the foot changed from rain to rain?
Casey: I don't know.
Mackenzie Hrubey: This could be like a fever dream that I had as a child. But you like could could a
Casey: So
Mackenzie Hrubey: a thing about how we differently measure over time mean some of those are not like modern twelve foot, you know?
Casey: okay, now I understand. You're not talking about their actual foot size, like their foot, right?
Mackenzie Hrubey: No, like I'm saying, like is what we call a foot today.
Casey: Okay. Cause here in my head, I'm like, are they out there just measuring random s men's feet? And if they're this size, they they can potentially have a go at the crown. Cause like I got big feet.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Well no, like I I'm saying that like they would take the existing, like, ruler that was, you know, bestowed through monarchy
Casey: Yes.
Mackenzie Hrubey: and then the size of that person's foot was now the foot standard for the Imperium. Therefore the foot could change from reign to reign.
Casey: That is so Yeah. Why would you do that? Who cares if
Mackenzie Hrubey: I don't know. Yeah, it's like super super archaic. And Okay.
Casey: Might have been a fever dream. But yeah.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Listeners, please write us your field notes.
Casey: Please So and Abraham Lincoln actually even referenced these giants in his speech about Niagara Falls.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Really?
Casey: Which I will quote The eyes of that species are Of extinct giants whose bones fill the mounds of America have gazed on Niagara as ours do now. And he's not telling a ghost story. He was referring to what was considered a part of the history that he understood at the time. So I don't know anyone who was
Mackenzie Hrubey: That's crazy.
Casey: around when Lincoln was president, unfortunately. But do you use
Mackenzie Hrubey: Unless
Casey: That
Mackenzie Hrubey: I didn't have an follow up to that.
Casey: that they were teaching people about giants while like during his time frame.
Mackenzie Hrubey: I mean it sounds like at that time it was a well known established thing that there were in fact giants. Like it was just a
Casey: Right?
Mackenzie Hrubey: in a popular address talking about it.
Casey: That's what I think. And somehow it just got lost in history. So would you consider think of this? Like history has a rotating exhibit. So something tragic happened and everyone in the history books is like, we gotta cut that because we gotta put that in there. You know what I mean? Maybe it's like that. And maybe like we didn't just mistakenly rip out the fact that there were actually human giants on this continent first before us. We're just like It's I don't want to say null and void now, but you know what I mean?
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. I feel like the other giant thing I struggle with is I feel like I've watched at least a little bit of media and also a little bit of like small passages in some of the bigfoot books that I've read about, with some of the quote unquote giant boats that are have been found o across time and early America being like hucksters that like made them out of terracotta or like did X, Y, or Z and they, you know, paid people to come on their property and then, you know, they ended up not being real. But I mean,
Casey: Yeah.
Mackenzie Hrubey: it is really interesting to think if there's actual bones hiding somewhere in the bowels of the Smithsonian. Yeah.
Casey: Well and then
Mackenzie Hrubey: Mm-hmm.
Casey: and then the thing is I don't know what ha like, do you know how wood gets petrified? Like
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: do bones get that? So maybe if you know, a normal regular human being who's not just an archaeologist picking around bones goes out and sees something, they're like, that's just petrified wood or something weird, when in fact it could just be a giant fucking bone.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. I mean it's like We talk about like think about how we talk about Bigfoot bodies or like predator bodies out in the wilderness or whatever. and then even like dino bones, like only certain kinds of soil can retain dino bone bones for, you know, the amount of time that are required. A a lot of so soil is too acidic and it, you know, dissolves down the bones to their base components. Some of it gets like what you're talking about, like kind of like crumbly and petrified y kind of thing, you can't like pull it out. So like maybe maybe it just it wasn't the right kind of soil. Okay.
Casey: Yeah, and they might just disintegrate now. Who knows? But I will say, have you ever watched I forget what it's called, but I think it's Scotland where they have the bogs.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, yes, I love I love bogs.
Casey: Those can preserve a body so well. Like
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. There's also a kind of what is what is the word? There's a something bog. There's a modifying word on there. peat bog. Pete bog. there's also a peat bog in Florida. Did you hear about this? And they pulled out yeah, corpses that predated I think this was maybe five years ago. They pulled out corpses that set the time of the Native Americans arriving in North America like something astronomical, like ten thousand years earlier than they thought they had, and all the way down in tip of Florida. So like we find things all the time that completely rewrite what we think prehistory was.
Casey: Well I honestly could you imagine what they're learning in history books now since we've been out of school?
Mackenzie Hrubey: yeah. Yeah.
Casey: Like but the show is I think it's called Body and the Bog or Bog it's something with Body
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: and Bog. It's a really cool show. However, let's get back to the Smithsonian the Giant Bodies.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: So pretty much after the first few decades of the twentieth century, these stories kind of just stopped. Reports of giant skeletons being unnerved seem to simply dry up. So was it just a giant hoax and everyone's like, Alright, we're done? Or did they just stop looking, really?
Mackenzie Hrubey: Which would be a shame. Like if there's if there's everybody go dig up your backyards. Yeah.
Casey: Right? Everyone go dig up. Unl well, yeah, just go dig it up. Who cares? Explain it to the landlord later. HOA,
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, you know what?
Casey: explain it later. You know, ask for permission second.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Fuck the man. Yeah, fuck the man.
Casey: Or did something just r happen in history where they're just like, Ooh, we should probably focus on the assassination of Abraham Lincoln and not bones? I don't know. Something.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. Or maybe somewhere I feel like the truth is probably somewhere in between, you know?
Casey: I think it is because you th like news changes every day.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, and I also wonder if certain like or the really conservative churches that came out around that time, like they probably had a vested interest in erasing the idea of like giants, you know? 'Cause like there
Casey: yeah.
Mackenzie Hrubey: like the weird like Nephilim stuff in the Bible and that's for probably another podcast. but not a lot of
Casey: Have you read the Bible?
Mackenzie Hrubey: it's fucking weird. Yeah, it's weird. me yeah. When
Casey: You you've read it? I've tried, but I have not gotten through it.
Mackenzie Hrubey: I was a kid, I was a raised Methodist. Not anymore, but yeah. It's a trip. It's a trip.
Casey: But so just because these stories died out doesn't mean it stopped there. And the Smithsonian comes back into play. As I mentioned before, there were numerous newspapers and document that documented these giant bones along with the raw data that was supposedly found in these case files that I'm going to explore. I have about
Mackenzie Hrubey: Cool.
Casey: I think I have about five case files that we're gonna go through.
Mackenzie Hrubey: my god, okay, I'm excited for this.
Casey: So case file one, West Virginia eighteen eighty three.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Country Rugs Sorry.
Casey: Take me home to a place. All right. This Smithsonian Institution's Bureau of Eth Ethology Dispatched a team of professional archaeologists to examine a series of fifty ancient mounds in the Canawa Valley near Charleston, West Virginia. What they found fifty.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Huh, fifty? Holy cow.
Casey: What they found was extraordinary. Buried within the mounds, they discovered unusually large skeletons purported to be measured from seven seven feet and six inches in length, with a nine nineteen inches between the shoulder sockets. Right.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Wow. Yeah, that's huge.
Casey: And it wasn't just one skeleton. So one skelet there was one skeleton like in the middle, and then he was surrounded by ten other skeletons that appeared to be in a ritual formation.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Huh.
Casey: I don't know much about what the ritual formation was. because I think the Susalini just took this and ran with it. But it is reportedly covered in a local newspaper, called the Charleston Daily Mail. And it was also detailed in a Smithsonian publication.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Wow.
Casey: Right? So I thought like
Mackenzie Hrubey: I that's so cool.
Casey: like I don't especially with technology now, as much as you try to like pull things. I feel like it's always there. Like there's an old library out there somewhere, I'm sure, with like really old microfilm and you just gotta click through it. Like could you imagine? I bet you. I don't know any old libraries, but it's probably still there. I'm sure. In the basement.
Mackenzie Hrubey: That'd be so cool to go through. All the microfiche.
Casey: Yeah, all the microfician yeah. So case file two, Ohio eighteen seventy eight. This historical this historic record is from I'm gonna butcher this Ashtoobla County, where it was documented that they excavated a large burial ground containing between two thousand and three thousand graves. Right.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Were they all giants?
Casey: They believe so. These bones were like bits and pieces, I think.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Holy cow.
Casey: But among human bones were specimens that reported to belong to a male. of an unusually s large structure. So I don't know what specimens could have been around this male of unusually large structure. I'm thinking like maybe
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: clothing of some sort or like tools or instruments.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. Maybe teeth.
Casey: Teeth. I love teeth. I would love that. Have a jar of giant teeth.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, though I feel kinda you know, guilty. Maybe they'd be haunted or something.
Casey: Why do you why would you feel guilty?
Mackenzie Hrubey: I want the d giant spirits to be free, you know. Go about the ephemera.
Casey: They can be, but I just want your teeth.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Hey. If I ever have to get if I ever to get my teeth pulled out, do you want my teeth? Okay, alright, cool cool. Cool.
Casey: Just let me have it. I want them. Yes. Yes. If you go in the dentist is like, sorry, I gotta pull this large molar, be like, Hey, can I take that?
Mackenzie Hrubey: I'll give it to you. All right, deal.
Casey: I've made my mom do that already.
Mackenzie Hrubey: For real? You have your mom's teeth I love that for you. Yeah.
Casey: Yeah. Yeah. She went and I think got like her bridge replaced and I'm like, Can I have that? Yeah, it's in a it's in a drawer back there.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Wild. That's so cool!
Casey: She's like, I cannot believe you asked me to do that. I'm like, yeah, I need you to do that. So yeah.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, yeah you did. Mm hmm. Mm mm. Priorities.
Casey: Right. So case file number three. We're
Mackenzie Hrubey: Hit me.
Casey: going to Indiana.
Mackenzie Hrubey: my home state.
Casey: I know, I thought you would like this. So it's 1879. We are near what?
Mackenzie Hrubey: Okay. When I was born. Just kidding.
Casey: I don't think there's an eighteen in the your birth year. If there is, you are an alien.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Wait, are you implying that I was born in nineteen seventy nine? How old do you think I am?
Casey: no, I didn't think you were born in nineteen seventy nine. I think you were born in like nineteen ninety five.
Mackenzie Hrubey: you think I'm younger than I am?
Casey: You're what, a year older than me? Okay, ninety four.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah ye younglin Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah Okay so eighteen
Casey: All right. So okay. Enough. We get it.
Mackenzie Hrubey: seventy nine yeah
Casey: eighteen seventy nine near Brewersville. Do you know where that's at? I don't either. Nope. No, I have no idea.
Mackenzie Hrubey: I do not. Do you know if it's north south or west or east? Okay. wait, wait, hang hang on. I want to find the most the closest you know other thing. Brewersville?
Casey: Geolocate. Brewersville.
Mackenzie Hrubey: gosh, middle of gosh darn nowhere. Okay,
Casey: In Indiana?
Mackenzie Hrubey: so it's between Bloomington and Cincinnati. I'm kinda
Casey: Okay.
Mackenzie Hrubey: by Columbus, like the middle of god damn nowhere, truly. But there's Bigfoot out there.
Casey: Well which makes sense for what they found.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Okay, hit me.
Casey: A mound was being excavated by an amateur archaeologist.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Okay.
Casey: It was a team and it was led by physician Doctor Doctor George W. Hill.
Mackenzie Hrubey: They let physicians do all kinds of weird stuff back then. Like what what how does going to med school
Casey: Right? What are you guys just doing?
Mackenzie Hrubey: qualify you to dig up bones? You know? Like no shade to my physician friends out there. But I'm sorry, I want a certified archaeologist getting my unearthly, you know, like remains.
Casey: No. I want an unlicensed man digging up my stuff. Or woman.
Mackenzie Hrubey: No they're gonna screw it up. They're gonna lose it. They're gonna mishandle evidence like this Masonian did.
Casey: Yeah, that's because you have the Smithsonian who is a government agency. I want a doctor who's not affiliated with anything.
Mackenzie Hrubey: I know, Dodge's gonna screw it up. Smithsonian to get hired
Casey: And still in med school problems.
Mackenzie Hrubey: to get hired on to Smithsonian is so hard. Like really hard. But anyway.
Casey: well, probably because you gotta be tight lived because they lose shit and they're hiding it in their basement.
Mackenzie Hrubey: I don't know. I don't know. Tell me more about what the physician found. I'm not there yet. You haven't convinced me.
Casey: During I'm on case file number three.
Mackenzie Hrubey: I know, I know.
Casey: During the excava excavation, they reportedly unearthed a human skeleton measuring nine to eight feet nine feet and eight inches in length.
Mackenzie Hrubey: That's a big one.
Casey: Right?
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: Some dismissed these remains and said they were from a mastodon. Masterdoom? Mas Isn't that a dinosaur?
Mackenzie Hrubey: No no I know you you said it right. I'm just Yeah, it's a holy mammoth.
Casey: Yeah, well that's what they thought that was.
Mackenzie Hrubey: No how I don't Okay.
Casey: I don't know.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Maybe if he was a paleontologist
Casey: He's doing his best, okay? And he's not the one that misidentified these.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Mass done my ass.
Casey: He's a fascician, okay? He would know the difference between an animal and a human bone. Right? So obviously, he doesn't think it's a mastodon.
Mackenzie Hrubey: All right, all right.
Casey: The skeleton was also reportedly found with a helmet and a crude stone ax. How many woolly mammoths
Mackenzie Hrubey: That's wild.
Casey: do you know walking around with a helmet and an axe? Just curious.
Mackenzie Hrubey: I just I'm picturing like a mammoth up on like two feet, like kinda like you know, Wendy Boy esque.
Casey: I'm picturing the mammoth from Ice Age with a hat. And then he
Mackenzie Hrubey: But on T.
Casey: he no, he hair he carries the axe in his trunk.
Mackenzie Hrubey: that's kinda cute actually. Someone
Casey: Ray, isn't that kinda cute? That's what I thought.
Mackenzie Hrubey: should make that as like a Christmas decoration.
Casey: they should.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: With these with these artifacts that were found with the skeleton, it would suggest in a way that it was a human. A giant human.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Or a not a human, but like a gigantipithecus or something. Like some kind of large primate that was living. Yeah. You're gonna get
Casey: Right, yeah. Yeah. No.
Mackenzie Hrubey: mad at me, but then you're like, no, that's a valid point.
Casey: Peace file number four.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Ha
Casey: California nineteen twenty. On the southern coast
Mackenzie Hrubey: Gold Rush.
Casey: Yeah. Professor Ralph Gilden from the Catalina Museum conducted an excavation of a memorial scale on a moment on a momental scale. On a large scale. Okay.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Monument monumental?
Casey: Monumental. The excavation reportedly uncovered six a six thousand year old burial complex containing over four thousand skeletons that were said to belong to a fair skinned, blonde or red haired haired race of giants measuring around nine feet tall.
Mackenzie Hrubey: And where was this at in California?
Casey: The southern coast.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Okay. Catalina Island? On Catalina Island.
Casey: Yeah. Well no, he's from no, he's from the museum. So
Mackenzie Hrubey: Okay.
Casey: Professor Ralph Gil Gildon worked at the museum. In Catalina Island, I guess.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Okay. Yeah.
Casey: All of per all of the professor's notes, maps, hundreds of photographs were were reportedly acquired by the Smithsonian and are now held in the archives of the National Museum of American Indians. Indian. But the skeletons are said to be hidden away in a restricted area within the museum.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Wild.
Casey: Sneaky shit and I don't like it.
Mackenzie Hrubey: I wanna go. Let's go.
Casey: I wanna go too.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Let's break in there. How hard could it be? Together we can do
Casey: very hard. I feel
Mackenzie Hrubey: anything.
Casey: j you're correct, yes. I picture it as like I'm trying to break into a jewelry st like when you watch those old cartoons and they got the bunch of lasers everywhere. That's
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: the Smithsonian.
Mackenzie Hrubey: What are they gonna do? Are they gonna like they're gonna fling like dust at us? You know?
Casey: Yes, yes, that is exactly what they're gonna do. They're gonna find us and we're gonna get scared and then they're gonna go and they're gonna put dust in our face and then we're never gonna come back.
Mackenzie Hrubey: The dust is actually like some kind of like paralytic agent.
Casey: They keep people who break in in the basement, I bet you.
Mackenzie Hrubey: We could have like our own that could be where our cult is.
Casey: No, they probably don't see the sunlight.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Okay, counterpoint, like the mis the the food at the cafeteries at the Smithsonian Museums are pretty good, so we'd we'd eat pretty well.
Casey: I I don't know they're not gonna treat us well.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Don't you have another case for us? Okay.
Casey: I do Like you think they're just gonna like put us in a nice little hotel that they have built in the basement? No. We're going in a cage. We might have a cot.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Underground Yes I do. Yeah. With a spa. Massage.
Casey: Peace file number five.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Aromatherapy.
Casey: Arizona, nineteen eleven. The Arizona Journal Miner reported that a local rancher named Peter Marax discovered what was described as remains of giants on his property in Walnut Creek. These remains were examined by Mr. Schu Schaup from the Smithsonian Institution, who was reported reportedly deeply impressed by these skeletons and wanted to take them back to the institution. But Peter refused to let the Smithsonian take them and said they will remain where they are found. And it e it's been claimed that the Smithsonian is still trying to gain access to these remains.
Mackenzie Hrubey: That seems like a an easier place for us to go snooping. I've always went I may went to Arizona a long time ago, but I'd like to go again. Road trip?
Casey: I'm d I'm down for a road trip. I'm down for a road trip. So I gave you five case files. of hundreds of giant skeletons being reportedly discovered. And
Mackenzie Hrubey: Thousands all across the US too.
Casey: no one knows what happened to them.
Mackenzie Hrubey: That's crazy. And is it true that I feel like the ones from California you mentioned were red haired. I think I've heard that before too. Like sometimes if they find them with hair, it's red. But I've
Casey: Yes.
Mackenzie Hrubey: also there's some again, like one of those things I feel like I've learned at some point in time during my I don't know, thirty-some years I'm ageless, obviously. But my thirty-some
Casey: Yeah.
Mackenzie Hrubey: years of existence was as bodies rot, the melanin or something, that the pigment from our hair leaves, and that the pigment that stays the longest is red. So it may not be they're actually a redhead, it's what Yeah.
Casey: True. It could be. Or they're just replied.
Mackenzie Hrubey: But again, this is like a this is like a half thing that I remember that I'm not I'm not an expert. I just know a lot of useless semi-facts.
Casey: But I love that.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Thank you.
Casey: So some skeptics believe that the bones simply crumbled, were lost, or were reburied and forgotten where.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Honestly, yeah. back to the acidic soil thing. Like not all soil how's it spelled?
Casey: I I think the toil would probably maybe have a little bit to do with it. I'm not gonna lie, I think that might have a little something.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: However, we have a paper trail. We have newspapers. I couldn't find any clippings, but we have people who remember them. Or like I would
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, it would if they exist somewhere, it'd be really cool for us to pull them out and like talk about it, like more on the mainstream, you know?
Casey: Exactly. In the nineteenth eight
Mackenzie Hrubey: Even if we wanna reference it and like like I also think about like you know, there are stories of you know, again, Bigfoot girly, there are stories of bipedal primates throughout the entire world. there's the There's a kind in Russia and I'm totally blanking on the name right now, but they're also supposed to be red haired. And like is it was it rather than a Bigfoot or a human, was is it a remnant, like cousin species of ours that we should be documenting and like adding to like the big grand like schema biology. Like
Casey: Game of life.
Mackenzie Hrubey: this happened. Yeah. 'Cause like humans, I'm sorry,
Casey: Exactly. But for some reason
Mackenzie Hrubey: aren't the smartest thing on the globe, you know?
Casey: We aren't and to be honest, I don't think we will. Like the human existence is going to extinct at some point.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: Like you know, we're not gonna be around forever. So I I don't understand what about there the possibility of there being giant bones that just terrifies people.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, and you know, this wouldn't be the first time that
Casey: Like for some reason the Smithsonian wants fucking dinosaur bones to still be up. Like we can't forget about that, but God forbid there'd be human giant bones.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. And the blueprint exists in other countries. So like India and Tibet, like they found another Didanosovans. Didanosovans lived side by side with early humans. as well as like what's the genus for the cavemen? Like the the Neanderthals. Like three different kinds of human like species living side by side. So the blueprint's out there. So it's not crazy to think that that happened here
Casey: Ex
Mackenzie Hrubey: too.
Casey: Exactly. It's not too far off fetch. I'm going to cover you up with a blanket.
Mackenzie Hrubey: No, give her to me. She can come visit her auntie Ken's.
Casey: You can take her. Please stop.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Don't pet me. I'll take her. Back to giants.
Casey: Back to giants. In the nineteenth century, the Bureau of America Ethnology
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. American ethnology, probably.
Casey: Well American what did I say America? American
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, American American ethnology. Yeah.
Casey: Ethology launched the Mound Exploration Division. So just
Mackenzie Hrubey: Ooh.
Casey: saying they created a whole division to explore mounds. Question from Mackenzie.
Mackenzie Hrubey: I'd like somebody to explore my mountains.
Casey: ho no.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Okay.
Casey: So they found so many giant bones and mounds that they're like, you know what? We need to dedicate a whole team. A whole team. A whole division to this.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Wow. Wow. Did they find anything?
Casey: Hold on, we're gonna there. Their mission was to survey and extract tens of thousands of ancient skeletons.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Mm-hmm.
Casey: The BAE actively encouraged local excavators to send their findings, particularly skeleton remains, to Washington. The Smithsonian owns some of the most interesting evidence that we will most likely never see. The BEA published a report in 1894 titled Report Report on the Mound Exploration. In this report, Cyrus Thomas detailed work that was conducted in the Canawana Valley of West Virginia, which was discussed in case file number one. Yeah. The paper
Mackenzie Hrubey: Back in case one. Yeah. Crazy.
Casey: trail. Literally leaves. What was that?
Mackenzie Hrubey: Ghost.
Casey: You heard that though, right?
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. That was inside the room. The door was closed.
Casey: Is Charlie outside the door?
Mackenzie Hrubey: he's he he's sitting in the living room but he's seated.
Casey: Are you okay? That was weird.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Did you did you did you see anything?
Casey: I don't think I saw something, but I thought I heard something.
Mackenzie Hrubey: So any the the Bureau of Mound Exploration
Casey: Yes.
Mackenzie Hrubey: okay
Casey: So this leads right back to the Smithsonian. Case file number one leads right back to the Smithsonian.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. Yeah.
Casey: The Smithsonian's own field agents were finding and documenting what was being reported in the local newspapers. If these reports were accurate then the press wasn't just f simply fabricating anything. Why would the Smithsonian want to go explore something that was being fabricated by some Tom Dick and Harry?
Mackenzie Hrubey: They wouldn't want to. Yeah. They have the they have to evaluate what projects they get involved in.
Casey: Exactly. So obviously what they were finding in these mounds was that interesting They had to get their nose in.
Mackenzie Hrubey: That's wild.
Casey: Right?
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yes.
Casey: And not to mention that the institution denies all of this. They deny all of it, which is very odd to me.
Mackenzie Hrubey: And is it where like where's it coming from? Like like wha how does that help anybody? Like how does that help science? You
Casey: It doesn't.
Mackenzie Hrubey: know?
Casey: Like I don't think it helps anybody. What's the point of being told to not report on this or to not show this to the public eye? I don't give a fuck about the Hope Diamond that's in the Smithsonian. You can take that out. I like looking at it too. But like it's beautiful, but if you take
Mackenzie Hrubey: I mean it's really cool. I like looking at it. I like don't I like it's sparkly. I love sparkles.
Casey: a picture of it, it's like seeing it for the first time over again.
Mackenzie Hrubey: No, it's different in person. Just scoot it over. There's room for more. Okay. If
Casey: There's always room for more.
Mackenzie Hrubey: if the president can build a ballroom onto the White House, they can develop the Spisonian and e i enlarge it.
Casey: In fact, I don't think we should move forward with the ballroom. I think we should just extend the Smithsonian.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. And in fact turn the ballroom into a giant exhibit and make it read the
Casey: Yes,
Mackenzie Hrubey: public.
Casey: yes. The exhibit can be the four worst years of American's history.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Eight.
Casey: Yeah, eight. Five. I just keep reminding myself we're halfway through this fucking turn.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, hopefully we'll make it to the other half. Yep.
Casey: Mm-hmm. Yeah. right. I lost my place. Okay. Right?
Mackenzie Hrubey: This is a crazy story. You're convincing me more and more.
Casey: So all the case files we talked about are things the Sasonian denies. But they have their hands in every single one of these case files. And they even deny some of their own public documents.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Weird.
Casey: Like the report from the BEA. Report of the mound exploration. The Smithsonian denies that.
Mackenzie Hrubey: So it never happened?
Casey: Yes, it's your own division working on this.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. That's weird.
Casey: And they're like, No.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Like to what again, like to what end? Are they just dumb or is it like intentional?
Casey: I don't know. Like I I I I don't know. I honestly don't know. I don't part of me thinks it's intentional because what could possibly come out could you know I and I don't want to say mass hysteria, but like you're always gonna have those people who are like, No, that's not real, that's fake news. But like it's
Mackenzie Hrubey: But they can just agree or disagree. Like
Casey: yeah, just agree to disagree. If you don't think that
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: document from fucking eighteen twenty is a a reliable source, just don't I don't fucking care. Don't go to the museum. Stay in your hut. Right.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Leave us out of it.
Casey: Yeah, leave us out of it. If you don't want to educate yourself, leave us out of it.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. Agreed.
Casey: However, all these newspaper articles and the case files are not even the first documentation of giants.
Mackenzie Hrubey: What do mean?
Casey: The indigenous people of North America also have stories describing those who came before them.
Mackenzie Hrubey: It always comes back to Native Americans, every single time.
Casey: Yes. The Paiute detail a war against a race of red-haired cannibalistic giants.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Again with the red hair.
Casey: called the Psi T Cha meaning tall eaters. But tall is spelled like tull T U L E. Tool yeah. Right? According to the legend, the Paiute piled bushes and brush at the entrance of their cave and set it in blaze.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yes, I've heard the story before.
Casey: Annihilating their enemies.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. And i aren't the bodies still there, like allegedly, but like you can
Casey: Allegedly yes.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: So in eighteen ninety nine the I might be butchering this, Chow Taw spoke about a race of giants that once inhabited what is now the state of Tennessee, and whom their ancestors fought. Hold on, I skipped apart. Back to the Pai Ute real quick. There
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: is also a story recorded by Sarah Winnamur Winnamurka.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: She is one she is a Paiute and she was a daughter of one of the chiefs. So she wrote about this story in her book. However, I could not
Mackenzie Hrubey: Cool.
Casey: find the name of it for some reason. but the book was written in eighteen eighty three.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Gotcha.
Casey: So now back to the Chowata. So the Chowata called this race the Nahalo or People of Wonderful Statute.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Huh.
Casey: Who were also said to be cannibals?
Mackenzie Hrubey: Why do they're always eating people?
Casey: Right? Like, I don't know. When I read that they were cannibals, I'm like, wow. Why does it always end up here? Why is it always up here
Mackenzie Hrubey: Well
Casey: with us? It's weird.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Human the other white mate.
Casey: The other white meat. Right? It's just weird. So The I'm gonna butcher this and I apologize for butchering all these words. I really do.
Mackenzie Hrubey: You're you are you are doing your best.
Casey: The Iro Iroquois Confederacy Iroquois Confederacy
Mackenzie Hrubey: Iroquois. Iroquois Federacy. Yeah.
Casey: of the Northeast tells tales of the Gingwasa or stone giants. These giants were said to be man eaters and twice the height of a normal normal man, with skin so hard that it repelled weapons.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Huh.
Casey: All these stories of giant bones stretch across from Ohio, Pennsylvania, No New York, California, all over. There's no denying that there's something there. And someone is hiding it. Just like the government denied UFOs, I believe they're gonna come out in years to come and say, you know what? You guys were right.
Mackenzie Hrubey: The giants are real.
Casey: The giants are real.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Maybe okay, what if the giants are aliens?
Casey: think the drains are aliens.
Mackenzie Hrubey: This is the only time you've ever said something other than an alien. The only time.
Casey: Yeah, I don't think the giants are aliens. I think they're actual like, you know, just before us.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Are you feeling okay?
Casey: I know, I am. I'm feeling fun. Am I what?
Mackenzie Hrubey: Are you febrile? Are you febrile? Do you have a fever?
Casey: No. No, I just I don't there's
Mackenzie Hrubey: Okay.
Casey: no at no point in these stories was it raised to me that man these were dropped by UFOs. These were dropped off by UFOs. They came off
Mackenzie Hrubey: They came up from out of time and out of space.
Casey: the ship! No
Mackenzie Hrubey: Ha wild.
Casey: So these giants are anywhere from eight to ten feet tall. There's proof out there. The question is, where's the proof hiding and why are they hiding it?
Mackenzie Hrubey: So we are going to organize a field trip. you know, kind of like when they tried to go into Area fifty one. They can't stop all of us. So we're all gonna get together. Yeah.
Casey: They can't stop all of us. Someone make a s someone make a Facebook invite.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Put it on Reddit. Stuff spreads like wildfire.
Casey: Yeah. Put it on Reddit. Washington D C is already a mess. What are they gonna do?
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, they're not organized enough for us. We can overcome.
Casey: Yeah. We can send a decoy team somewhere else and then the actual team somewhere else.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: They're not gonna know. So, Mackenzie, they're never gonna know.
Mackenzie Hrubey: They'll never know. How would they know? Yes Yes, Casey?
Casey: What do you rate our very first conspiracy theory on the Field Notes podcast?
Mackenzie Hrubey: Well this is first off, our second one because of the ticks. Remember? Yeah.
Casey: yes yes, but we also there was also a creature involved with that one. True.
Mackenzie Hrubey: True. Okay, fair. Yeah, true.
Casey: Well, I mean yeah.
Mackenzie Hrubey: I started this at a one, full, full transparency. But you have over time you have moved me to a three. I'm at a three. So think about it less of the number, but more about the progress that was made.
Casey: The progress that I made, I take it. I will take that
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. Yes.
Casey: three and I will love it.
Mackenzie Hrubey: What is your blatability scale?
Casey: Five. Why would someone hide something this hard? Why would someone want to hide something this hard?
Mackenzie Hrubey: I feel like they're just dumb, but it's a fair question.
Casey: That's the thing. Like you can't
Mackenzie Hrubey: Answer the question. Yeah.
Casey: answer the question. Answer the question. Yes or no. Are you lying? Like it
Mackenzie Hrubey: Cool.
Casey: yeah. I don't I don't think if something wasn't true someone would go to this extent. Hide
Mackenzie Hrubey: Well, it's just crazy that again, like, if we have similar situations of coexisting things, you know, bipedal walking around stuff happening across the world, why would this be something that we can't talk about or like put up in exhibits
Casey: Exactly.
Mackenzie Hrubey: and like put unless like are the bones too delicate, but then make casts of them, like pastor casts and like talk about like pictures and stuff of it, you know?
Casey: Yeah, it's only the fucking dinosaur bones that are in the Smithsonian are delicate.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Well, most of those are are are plaster casts, but still. You can still make those of the Yeah.
Casey: Do it Do it to the humans. That's the thing.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. Wild. Yeah. I
Casey: I liked this one. It was really fun researching this one. So listeners, I hope you enjoyed it. I hope you enjoy a little banter throughout.
Mackenzie Hrubey: We love when you go off on a conspiracy theory. It's it's great to see you fully fledged.
Casey: You didn't even get me started on pigeons.
Mackenzie Hrubey: we're we're saving that for for October, I think. Yeah,
Casey: You're saving that one.
Mackenzie Hrubey: yeah.
Casey: Alright guys. Well that is all I have for you today. check in next Monday with us. And yeah, we should probably be back to cryptas by then. Who knows? I don't know. I don't make the rules here.
Mackenzie Hrubey: If you like this though, we can always unpack more. Plenty of
Casey: Yeah, let us know. Let us know your field notes. And like, share, subscribe. You can find us at YouTube, Facebook, Spotify, Instagram, all at Field Notes from the Unknown. Alright.
Mackenzie Hrubey: On the internet.
Casey: On the interweb. Get on it.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yes. Thank you so much.
Casey: Alright guys. Bye.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Bye!
Mackenzie Hrubey: Hi.
Casey: Hi. Wow, that
Mackenzie Hrubey: What you whatcha drinking over there?
Casey: Curious Gord. Isn't he cute?
Mackenzie Hrubey: He's really cute.
Casey: It's like a pumpkin spice beer, pretty much. That's what it is. It's delicious.
Mackenzie Hrubey: nice. Okay. Fancy. Yeah. I've got apple cider with apple cider moonshine in it.
Casey: Ooh look at us. I love that.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Very fall.
Casey: So are you ready for today's story?
Mackenzie Hrubey: I am, you know, it is a crispy day. the sun is almost set. It's cloudy outside. I have a fan blowing autumn air on me. I've got two different candles here that are very, you know, folly and I'm in the mood for a cryptid story.
Casey: Well, I hate to bust your bubble but I hate to burst your bubble. I don't have
Mackenzie Hrubey: Bust my bubble?
Casey: burp. I don't have a cryptid for you today.
Mackenzie Hrubey: But I thought I thought we were aren't we? Field notes from the unknown. A podcast about your favorite local cryptid?
Casey: I did, but this one is gonna change and we are Field Notes from the Unknown, a podcast about your favorite local conspiracy.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Okay, well I am I am ready. Give me some government. Is
Casey: Government. So
Mackenzie Hrubey: it the government? Okay.
Casey: Today we're going to step away from cryptids and we're gonna talk about the conspiracy theories of the Smithsonian.
Mackenzie Hrubey: okay. This is different.
Casey: Right?
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, I like it. question before we begin.
Casey: Yes.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Will there be a any UFOs in it?
Casey: No, no.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Okay, what about two lost photographs? Okay, what about ticks and biological weapons?
Casey: no. No. None of those.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Okay. Okay.
Casey: So if you recall we've talked about giants and missing giant bones, right?
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: And nobody knows what happened to them?
Mackenzie Hrubey: Where did they go?
Casey: Well the Smithsonian knows and they're not telling anybody.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Let's break in there.
Casey: So these bones were really sought after and Let me I'm gonna pause and we're not gonna get into the bones yet. I wanna talk about the Smithsonian for just a little bit. But we are gonna talk about the bones. That is the main
Mackenzie Hrubey: Okay. Alright.
Casey: part of the story is those missing giant bones.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Alright, I'm getting comfy so I can I can really engage with the Smithsonian.
Casey: So the Smithsonian has over one hundred and fifty five million items in its twenty museums and off site storage, which are located
Mackenzie Hrubey: That's a lot.
Casey: right, which are located in D C, Maryland and even New York. Their collections range from slingshots to space shuttles, ants to elephants, and even the scarecrow the original scarecrow costume from Wizard of Oz, Mr. Rogers red sweater, and
Mackenzie Hrubey: What?
Casey: the original stopwatch from 60 Minutes. Right? I know.
Mackenzie Hrubey: my god. Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. That's great. Cool.
Casey: What what could really possibly be hiding in these basements? Of several locations.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Rats and black mold?
Casey: We're not talking about just one. Like that is a lot of items that they have and that they're not all shown. They're not all open to the public.
Mackenzie Hrubey: You said one point five million? How many items?
Casey: A hundred and fifty five million.
Mackenzie Hrubey: A hundred and my god, I was off by an entire factor of a hundred. Wow.
Casey: Yeah, a hundred and fifty five million.
Mackenzie Hrubey: That's fucking crazy. Excuse my French.
Casey: I I know. There have been numerous accounts claiming that the Smithsonian is actually withholding artifacts from the public's site that could possibly change the narrative of what we accept of what history is that we the history we accept today. Which is why they're hiding the giant
Mackenzie Hrubey: Interesting.
Casey: bones. I believe so.
Mackenzie Hrubey: So where do the giant bones come from?
Casey: We're gonna get into that. Just not yet. Y it's anticipation. We're building it up.
Mackenzie Hrubey: It's the Antissa. Haitian.
Casey: So between twenty fifteen and twenty nineteen, the Smithsonian reportedly mishandled a hundred and fifteen artifacts.
Mackenzie Hrubey: What does mishandled mean?
Casey: They don't know where they're at.
Mackenzie Hrubey: They just lost them.
Casey: They just don't know. Some of these items were actually displayed at one time and then later removed without any explanation and nobody really knows what happened to them. However, whistleblowers have come forward to express their frustration over what they describe as institutional resistance to change and the failure to display some of the most uncomfortable truths about history, which we have witnessed within this administration of the Smithsonian bending and taking exhibits down, which is, you know. upsetting. 'Cause I don't
Mackenzie Hrubey: Absolutely.
Casey: I don't think any museum should be taking down any type of history, regardless of what it is. It's history. And I feel everyone has
Mackenzie Hrubey: Unless you're I could see I mean I can see if you're gonna keep it well and not, you know, mishandle it or lose it, that y you're if you have a museum and there's only so much space, isn't it make sense to rotate out stock and you know, like you can only rotate exhibits?
Casey: Yes. A hundred percent. I believe, you know, rotating exhibits are great. But I also feel like some things just need to stay. Like and and to be honest, this they have so much space. I think one of the museums has a whole area dedicated to the rotating exhibit. Like when I went to the Smithsonian one time they had a rotating exhibit that was Julia Child. And like
Mackenzie Hrubey: I think I saw that one.
Casey: it had a mock of her kit it was actually really nice. Which I
Mackenzie Hrubey: E yeah, with the she got like the things where he would hang your pots up on the wall.
Casey: wanna do. Like I want a pokeboard to hang all my pots on. I think that's an excellent idea.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Me too. We should add this to the list of important features for if we ever decide to form a commune. The commune kitchen. The cult commune kitchen. The Nope, nope, not gonna
Casey: The colt. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It'll Colt during the or col commune during the day, colt at night. I feel like there's a pitch in there somewhere we could do.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Only if you're consenting.
Casey: Yeah.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Tell me more about the Smithsonian.
Casey: What if I told you the history that they taught us in school was actually false and before our existence and the first settlers, there was a giant race that roamed the continent.
Mackenzie Hrubey: I have heard rumor of this before. I will not rule it out. I do think that definitely like the way that the fact that government can influence what is taught in schools is problematic
Casey: Is disgusting.
Mackenzie Hrubey: and does in fact change what people then remember as history because the history is, you know, set by the people that are alive and are in power. So I think definitely history can be different than it is is taught. I have yet to find really captivating giant evidence. So I'm excited for you to tell me about it.
Casey: So the from the early eighteen hundreds through the nineteen twenties, newspapers across the United States wrote about the discovery of these human skeletons of such an incredible size, from New York to California to Wisconsin and the Deep South. They were everywhere. This isn't
Mackenzie Hrubey: How big?
Casey: just we'll get into the size then. Because I also have my thought on that. This isn't just a one isolated incident though. Researchers have compelled over one thousand accounts of skeletons measuring between seven to twelve feet tall.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Wow.
Casey: So here's the thing. Joe's six feet tall. So back in the day, like In the eighteen hundreds, would Joe have been considered a giant? Like that's that's my one issue here is I think now humans have evolved and we're so we're a lot of us are tall. Not all of us, but a good part of the population are tall. So would we have
Mackenzie Hrubey: And we're not.
Casey: considered Yeah, I get it. We're not seven to twelve feet. But some people aren't
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: shy of seven feet.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. But on that note, like is it possible that you know how do you remember that I mean this could be totally false and I'm just pulling this out of my butt, but for some time wasn't the actual measurement of the foot related to the actual foot size of the king of England at the time and therefore the foot changed from rain to rain?
Casey: I don't know.
Mackenzie Hrubey: This could be like a fever dream that I had as a child. But you like could could a
Casey: So
Mackenzie Hrubey: a thing about how we differently measure over time mean some of those are not like modern twelve foot, you know?
Casey: okay, now I understand. You're not talking about their actual foot size, like their foot, right?
Mackenzie Hrubey: No, like I'm saying, like is what we call a foot today.
Casey: Okay. Cause here in my head, I'm like, are they out there just measuring random s men's feet? And if they're this size, they they can potentially have a go at the crown. Cause like I got big feet.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Well no, like I I'm saying that like they would take the existing, like, ruler that was, you know, bestowed through monarchy
Casey: Yes.
Mackenzie Hrubey: and then the size of that person's foot was now the foot standard for the Imperium. Therefore the foot could change from reign to reign.
Casey: That is so Yeah. Why would you do that? Who cares if
Mackenzie Hrubey: I don't know. Yeah, it's like super super archaic. And Okay.
Casey: Might have been a fever dream. But yeah.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Listeners, please write us your field notes.
Casey: Please So and Abraham Lincoln actually even referenced these giants in his speech about Niagara Falls.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Really?
Casey: Which I will quote The eyes of that species are Of extinct giants whose bones fill the mounds of America have gazed on Niagara as ours do now. And he's not telling a ghost story. He was referring to what was considered a part of the history that he understood at the time. So I don't know anyone who was
Mackenzie Hrubey: That's crazy.
Casey: around when Lincoln was president, unfortunately. But do you use
Mackenzie Hrubey: Unless
Casey: That
Mackenzie Hrubey: I didn't have an follow up to that.
Casey: that they were teaching people about giants while like during his time frame.
Mackenzie Hrubey: I mean it sounds like at that time it was a well known established thing that there were in fact giants. Like it was just a
Casey: Right?
Mackenzie Hrubey: in a popular address talking about it.
Casey: That's what I think. And somehow it just got lost in history. So would you consider think of this? Like history has a rotating exhibit. So something tragic happened and everyone in the history books is like, we gotta cut that because we gotta put that in there. You know what I mean? Maybe it's like that. And maybe like we didn't just mistakenly rip out the fact that there were actually human giants on this continent first before us. We're just like It's I don't want to say null and void now, but you know what I mean?
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. I feel like the other giant thing I struggle with is I feel like I've watched at least a little bit of media and also a little bit of like small passages in some of the bigfoot books that I've read about, with some of the quote unquote giant boats that are have been found o across time and early America being like hucksters that like made them out of terracotta or like did X, Y, or Z and they, you know, paid people to come on their property and then, you know, they ended up not being real. But I mean,
Casey: Yeah.
Mackenzie Hrubey: it is really interesting to think if there's actual bones hiding somewhere in the bowels of the Smithsonian. Yeah.
Casey: Well and then
Mackenzie Hrubey: Mm-hmm.
Casey: and then the thing is I don't know what ha like, do you know how wood gets petrified? Like
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: do bones get that? So maybe if you know, a normal regular human being who's not just an archaeologist picking around bones goes out and sees something, they're like, that's just petrified wood or something weird, when in fact it could just be a giant fucking bone.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. I mean it's like We talk about like think about how we talk about Bigfoot bodies or like predator bodies out in the wilderness or whatever. and then even like dino bones, like only certain kinds of soil can retain dino bone bones for, you know, the amount of time that are required. A a lot of so soil is too acidic and it, you know, dissolves down the bones to their base components. Some of it gets like what you're talking about, like kind of like crumbly and petrified y kind of thing, you can't like pull it out. So like maybe maybe it just it wasn't the right kind of soil. Okay.
Casey: Yeah, and they might just disintegrate now. Who knows? But I will say, have you ever watched I forget what it's called, but I think it's Scotland where they have the bogs.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, yes, I love I love bogs.
Casey: Those can preserve a body so well. Like
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. There's also a kind of what is what is the word? There's a something bog. There's a modifying word on there. peat bog. Pete bog. there's also a peat bog in Florida. Did you hear about this? And they pulled out yeah, corpses that predated I think this was maybe five years ago. They pulled out corpses that set the time of the Native Americans arriving in North America like something astronomical, like ten thousand years earlier than they thought they had, and all the way down in tip of Florida. So like we find things all the time that completely rewrite what we think prehistory was.
Casey: Well I honestly could you imagine what they're learning in history books now since we've been out of school?
Mackenzie Hrubey: yeah. Yeah.
Casey: Like but the show is I think it's called Body and the Bog or Bog it's something with Body
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: and Bog. It's a really cool show. However, let's get back to the Smithsonian the Giant Bodies.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: So pretty much after the first few decades of the twentieth century, these stories kind of just stopped. Reports of giant skeletons being unnerved seem to simply dry up. So was it just a giant hoax and everyone's like, Alright, we're done? Or did they just stop looking, really?
Mackenzie Hrubey: Which would be a shame. Like if there's if there's everybody go dig up your backyards. Yeah.
Casey: Right? Everyone go dig up. Unl well, yeah, just go dig it up. Who cares? Explain it to the landlord later. HOA,
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, you know what?
Casey: explain it later. You know, ask for permission second.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Fuck the man. Yeah, fuck the man.
Casey: Or did something just r happen in history where they're just like, Ooh, we should probably focus on the assassination of Abraham Lincoln and not bones? I don't know. Something.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. Or maybe somewhere I feel like the truth is probably somewhere in between, you know?
Casey: I think it is because you th like news changes every day.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, and I also wonder if certain like or the really conservative churches that came out around that time, like they probably had a vested interest in erasing the idea of like giants, you know? 'Cause like there
Casey: yeah.
Mackenzie Hrubey: like the weird like Nephilim stuff in the Bible and that's for probably another podcast. but not a lot of
Casey: Have you read the Bible?
Mackenzie Hrubey: it's fucking weird. Yeah, it's weird. me yeah. When
Casey: You you've read it? I've tried, but I have not gotten through it.
Mackenzie Hrubey: I was a kid, I was a raised Methodist. Not anymore, but yeah. It's a trip. It's a trip.
Casey: But so just because these stories died out doesn't mean it stopped there. And the Smithsonian comes back into play. As I mentioned before, there were numerous newspapers and document that documented these giant bones along with the raw data that was supposedly found in these case files that I'm going to explore. I have about
Mackenzie Hrubey: Cool.
Casey: I think I have about five case files that we're gonna go through.
Mackenzie Hrubey: my god, okay, I'm excited for this.
Casey: So case file one, West Virginia eighteen eighty three.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Country Rugs Sorry.
Casey: Take me home to a place. All right. This Smithsonian Institution's Bureau of Eth Ethology Dispatched a team of professional archaeologists to examine a series of fifty ancient mounds in the Canawa Valley near Charleston, West Virginia. What they found fifty.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Huh, fifty? Holy cow.
Casey: What they found was extraordinary. Buried within the mounds, they discovered unusually large skeletons purported to be measured from seven seven feet and six inches in length, with a nine nineteen inches between the shoulder sockets. Right.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Wow. Yeah, that's huge.
Casey: And it wasn't just one skeleton. So one skelet there was one skeleton like in the middle, and then he was surrounded by ten other skeletons that appeared to be in a ritual formation.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Huh.
Casey: I don't know much about what the ritual formation was. because I think the Susalini just took this and ran with it. But it is reportedly covered in a local newspaper, called the Charleston Daily Mail. And it was also detailed in a Smithsonian publication.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Wow.
Casey: Right? So I thought like
Mackenzie Hrubey: I that's so cool.
Casey: like I don't especially with technology now, as much as you try to like pull things. I feel like it's always there. Like there's an old library out there somewhere, I'm sure, with like really old microfilm and you just gotta click through it. Like could you imagine? I bet you. I don't know any old libraries, but it's probably still there. I'm sure. In the basement.
Mackenzie Hrubey: That'd be so cool to go through. All the microfiche.
Casey: Yeah, all the microfician yeah. So case file two, Ohio eighteen seventy eight. This historical this historic record is from I'm gonna butcher this Ashtoobla County, where it was documented that they excavated a large burial ground containing between two thousand and three thousand graves. Right.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Were they all giants?
Casey: They believe so. These bones were like bits and pieces, I think.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Holy cow.
Casey: But among human bones were specimens that reported to belong to a male. of an unusually s large structure. So I don't know what specimens could have been around this male of unusually large structure. I'm thinking like maybe
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: clothing of some sort or like tools or instruments.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. Maybe teeth.
Casey: Teeth. I love teeth. I would love that. Have a jar of giant teeth.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, though I feel kinda you know, guilty. Maybe they'd be haunted or something.
Casey: Why do you why would you feel guilty?
Mackenzie Hrubey: I want the d giant spirits to be free, you know. Go about the ephemera.
Casey: They can be, but I just want your teeth.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Hey. If I ever have to get if I ever to get my teeth pulled out, do you want my teeth? Okay, alright, cool cool. Cool.
Casey: Just let me have it. I want them. Yes. Yes. If you go in the dentist is like, sorry, I gotta pull this large molar, be like, Hey, can I take that?
Mackenzie Hrubey: I'll give it to you. All right, deal.
Casey: I've made my mom do that already.
Mackenzie Hrubey: For real? You have your mom's teeth I love that for you. Yeah.
Casey: Yeah. Yeah. She went and I think got like her bridge replaced and I'm like, Can I have that? Yeah, it's in a it's in a drawer back there.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Wild. That's so cool!
Casey: She's like, I cannot believe you asked me to do that. I'm like, yeah, I need you to do that. So yeah.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, yeah you did. Mm hmm. Mm mm. Priorities.
Casey: Right. So case file number three. We're
Mackenzie Hrubey: Hit me.
Casey: going to Indiana.
Mackenzie Hrubey: my home state.
Casey: I know, I thought you would like this. So it's 1879. We are near what?
Mackenzie Hrubey: Okay. When I was born. Just kidding.
Casey: I don't think there's an eighteen in the your birth year. If there is, you are an alien.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Wait, are you implying that I was born in nineteen seventy nine? How old do you think I am?
Casey: no, I didn't think you were born in nineteen seventy nine. I think you were born in like nineteen ninety five.
Mackenzie Hrubey: you think I'm younger than I am?
Casey: You're what, a year older than me? Okay, ninety four.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah ye younglin Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah Okay so eighteen
Casey: All right. So okay. Enough. We get it.
Mackenzie Hrubey: seventy nine yeah
Casey: eighteen seventy nine near Brewersville. Do you know where that's at? I don't either. Nope. No, I have no idea.
Mackenzie Hrubey: I do not. Do you know if it's north south or west or east? Okay. wait, wait, hang hang on. I want to find the most the closest you know other thing. Brewersville?
Casey: Geolocate. Brewersville.
Mackenzie Hrubey: gosh, middle of gosh darn nowhere. Okay,
Casey: In Indiana?
Mackenzie Hrubey: so it's between Bloomington and Cincinnati. I'm kinda
Casey: Okay.
Mackenzie Hrubey: by Columbus, like the middle of god damn nowhere, truly. But there's Bigfoot out there.
Casey: Well which makes sense for what they found.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Okay, hit me.
Casey: A mound was being excavated by an amateur archaeologist.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Okay.
Casey: It was a team and it was led by physician Doctor Doctor George W. Hill.
Mackenzie Hrubey: They let physicians do all kinds of weird stuff back then. Like what what how does going to med school
Casey: Right? What are you guys just doing?
Mackenzie Hrubey: qualify you to dig up bones? You know? Like no shade to my physician friends out there. But I'm sorry, I want a certified archaeologist getting my unearthly, you know, like remains.
Casey: No. I want an unlicensed man digging up my stuff. Or woman.
Mackenzie Hrubey: No they're gonna screw it up. They're gonna lose it. They're gonna mishandle evidence like this Masonian did.
Casey: Yeah, that's because you have the Smithsonian who is a government agency. I want a doctor who's not affiliated with anything.
Mackenzie Hrubey: I know, Dodge's gonna screw it up. Smithsonian to get hired
Casey: And still in med school problems.
Mackenzie Hrubey: to get hired on to Smithsonian is so hard. Like really hard. But anyway.
Casey: well, probably because you gotta be tight lived because they lose shit and they're hiding it in their basement.
Mackenzie Hrubey: I don't know. I don't know. Tell me more about what the physician found. I'm not there yet. You haven't convinced me.
Casey: During I'm on case file number three.
Mackenzie Hrubey: I know, I know.
Casey: During the excava excavation, they reportedly unearthed a human skeleton measuring nine to eight feet nine feet and eight inches in length.
Mackenzie Hrubey: That's a big one.
Casey: Right?
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: Some dismissed these remains and said they were from a mastodon. Masterdoom? Mas Isn't that a dinosaur?
Mackenzie Hrubey: No no I know you you said it right. I'm just Yeah, it's a holy mammoth.
Casey: Yeah, well that's what they thought that was.
Mackenzie Hrubey: No how I don't Okay.
Casey: I don't know.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Maybe if he was a paleontologist
Casey: He's doing his best, okay? And he's not the one that misidentified these.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Mass done my ass.
Casey: He's a fascician, okay? He would know the difference between an animal and a human bone. Right? So obviously, he doesn't think it's a mastodon.
Mackenzie Hrubey: All right, all right.
Casey: The skeleton was also reportedly found with a helmet and a crude stone ax. How many woolly mammoths
Mackenzie Hrubey: That's wild.
Casey: do you know walking around with a helmet and an axe? Just curious.
Mackenzie Hrubey: I just I'm picturing like a mammoth up on like two feet, like kinda like you know, Wendy Boy esque.
Casey: I'm picturing the mammoth from Ice Age with a hat. And then he
Mackenzie Hrubey: But on T.
Casey: he no, he hair he carries the axe in his trunk.
Mackenzie Hrubey: that's kinda cute actually. Someone
Casey: Ray, isn't that kinda cute? That's what I thought.
Mackenzie Hrubey: should make that as like a Christmas decoration.
Casey: they should.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: With these with these artifacts that were found with the skeleton, it would suggest in a way that it was a human. A giant human.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Or a not a human, but like a gigantipithecus or something. Like some kind of large primate that was living. Yeah. You're gonna get
Casey: Right, yeah. Yeah. No.
Mackenzie Hrubey: mad at me, but then you're like, no, that's a valid point.
Casey: Peace file number four.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Ha
Casey: California nineteen twenty. On the southern coast
Mackenzie Hrubey: Gold Rush.
Casey: Yeah. Professor Ralph Gilden from the Catalina Museum conducted an excavation of a memorial scale on a moment on a momental scale. On a large scale. Okay.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Monument monumental?
Casey: Monumental. The excavation reportedly uncovered six a six thousand year old burial complex containing over four thousand skeletons that were said to belong to a fair skinned, blonde or red haired haired race of giants measuring around nine feet tall.
Mackenzie Hrubey: And where was this at in California?
Casey: The southern coast.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Okay. Catalina Island? On Catalina Island.
Casey: Yeah. Well no, he's from no, he's from the museum. So
Mackenzie Hrubey: Okay.
Casey: Professor Ralph Gil Gildon worked at the museum. In Catalina Island, I guess.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Okay. Yeah.
Casey: All of per all of the professor's notes, maps, hundreds of photographs were were reportedly acquired by the Smithsonian and are now held in the archives of the National Museum of American Indians. Indian. But the skeletons are said to be hidden away in a restricted area within the museum.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Wild.
Casey: Sneaky shit and I don't like it.
Mackenzie Hrubey: I wanna go. Let's go.
Casey: I wanna go too.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Let's break in there. How hard could it be? Together we can do
Casey: very hard. I feel
Mackenzie Hrubey: anything.
Casey: j you're correct, yes. I picture it as like I'm trying to break into a jewelry st like when you watch those old cartoons and they got the bunch of lasers everywhere. That's
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: the Smithsonian.
Mackenzie Hrubey: What are they gonna do? Are they gonna like they're gonna fling like dust at us? You know?
Casey: Yes, yes, that is exactly what they're gonna do. They're gonna find us and we're gonna get scared and then they're gonna go and they're gonna put dust in our face and then we're never gonna come back.
Mackenzie Hrubey: The dust is actually like some kind of like paralytic agent.
Casey: They keep people who break in in the basement, I bet you.
Mackenzie Hrubey: We could have like our own that could be where our cult is.
Casey: No, they probably don't see the sunlight.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Okay, counterpoint, like the mis the the food at the cafeteries at the Smithsonian Museums are pretty good, so we'd we'd eat pretty well.
Casey: I I don't know they're not gonna treat us well.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Don't you have another case for us? Okay.
Casey: I do Like you think they're just gonna like put us in a nice little hotel that they have built in the basement? No. We're going in a cage. We might have a cot.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Underground Yes I do. Yeah. With a spa. Massage.
Casey: Peace file number five.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Aromatherapy.
Casey: Arizona, nineteen eleven. The Arizona Journal Miner reported that a local rancher named Peter Marax discovered what was described as remains of giants on his property in Walnut Creek. These remains were examined by Mr. Schu Schaup from the Smithsonian Institution, who was reported reportedly deeply impressed by these skeletons and wanted to take them back to the institution. But Peter refused to let the Smithsonian take them and said they will remain where they are found. And it e it's been claimed that the Smithsonian is still trying to gain access to these remains.
Mackenzie Hrubey: That seems like a an easier place for us to go snooping. I've always went I may went to Arizona a long time ago, but I'd like to go again. Road trip?
Casey: I'm d I'm down for a road trip. I'm down for a road trip. So I gave you five case files. of hundreds of giant skeletons being reportedly discovered. And
Mackenzie Hrubey: Thousands all across the US too.
Casey: no one knows what happened to them.
Mackenzie Hrubey: That's crazy. And is it true that I feel like the ones from California you mentioned were red haired. I think I've heard that before too. Like sometimes if they find them with hair, it's red. But I've
Casey: Yes.
Mackenzie Hrubey: also there's some again, like one of those things I feel like I've learned at some point in time during my I don't know, thirty-some years I'm ageless, obviously. But my thirty-some
Casey: Yeah.
Mackenzie Hrubey: years of existence was as bodies rot, the melanin or something, that the pigment from our hair leaves, and that the pigment that stays the longest is red. So it may not be they're actually a redhead, it's what Yeah.
Casey: True. It could be. Or they're just replied.
Mackenzie Hrubey: But again, this is like a this is like a half thing that I remember that I'm not I'm not an expert. I just know a lot of useless semi-facts.
Casey: But I love that.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Thank you.
Casey: So some skeptics believe that the bones simply crumbled, were lost, or were reburied and forgotten where.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Honestly, yeah. back to the acidic soil thing. Like not all soil how's it spelled?
Casey: I I think the toil would probably maybe have a little bit to do with it. I'm not gonna lie, I think that might have a little something.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: However, we have a paper trail. We have newspapers. I couldn't find any clippings, but we have people who remember them. Or like I would
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, it would if they exist somewhere, it'd be really cool for us to pull them out and like talk about it, like more on the mainstream, you know?
Casey: Exactly. In the nineteenth eight
Mackenzie Hrubey: Even if we wanna reference it and like like I also think about like you know, there are stories of you know, again, Bigfoot girly, there are stories of bipedal primates throughout the entire world. there's the There's a kind in Russia and I'm totally blanking on the name right now, but they're also supposed to be red haired. And like is it was it rather than a Bigfoot or a human, was is it a remnant, like cousin species of ours that we should be documenting and like adding to like the big grand like schema biology. Like
Casey: Game of life.
Mackenzie Hrubey: this happened. Yeah. 'Cause like humans, I'm sorry,
Casey: Exactly. But for some reason
Mackenzie Hrubey: aren't the smartest thing on the globe, you know?
Casey: We aren't and to be honest, I don't think we will. Like the human existence is going to extinct at some point.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: Like you know, we're not gonna be around forever. So I I don't understand what about there the possibility of there being giant bones that just terrifies people.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, and you know, this wouldn't be the first time that
Casey: Like for some reason the Smithsonian wants fucking dinosaur bones to still be up. Like we can't forget about that, but God forbid there'd be human giant bones.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. And the blueprint exists in other countries. So like India and Tibet, like they found another Didanosovans. Didanosovans lived side by side with early humans. as well as like what's the genus for the cavemen? Like the the Neanderthals. Like three different kinds of human like species living side by side. So the blueprint's out there. So it's not crazy to think that that happened here
Casey: Ex
Mackenzie Hrubey: too.
Casey: Exactly. It's not too far off fetch. I'm going to cover you up with a blanket.
Mackenzie Hrubey: No, give her to me. She can come visit her auntie Ken's.
Casey: You can take her. Please stop.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Don't pet me. I'll take her. Back to giants.
Casey: Back to giants. In the nineteenth century, the Bureau of America Ethnology
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. American ethnology, probably.
Casey: Well American what did I say America? American
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, American American ethnology. Yeah.
Casey: Ethology launched the Mound Exploration Division. So just
Mackenzie Hrubey: Ooh.
Casey: saying they created a whole division to explore mounds. Question from Mackenzie.
Mackenzie Hrubey: I'd like somebody to explore my mountains.
Casey: ho no.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Okay.
Casey: So they found so many giant bones and mounds that they're like, you know what? We need to dedicate a whole team. A whole team. A whole division to this.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Wow. Wow. Did they find anything?
Casey: Hold on, we're gonna there. Their mission was to survey and extract tens of thousands of ancient skeletons.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Mm-hmm.
Casey: The BAE actively encouraged local excavators to send their findings, particularly skeleton remains, to Washington. The Smithsonian owns some of the most interesting evidence that we will most likely never see. The BEA published a report in 1894 titled Report Report on the Mound Exploration. In this report, Cyrus Thomas detailed work that was conducted in the Canawana Valley of West Virginia, which was discussed in case file number one. Yeah. The paper
Mackenzie Hrubey: Back in case one. Yeah. Crazy.
Casey: trail. Literally leaves. What was that?
Mackenzie Hrubey: Ghost.
Casey: You heard that though, right?
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. That was inside the room. The door was closed.
Casey: Is Charlie outside the door?
Mackenzie Hrubey: he's he he's sitting in the living room but he's seated.
Casey: Are you okay? That was weird.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Did you did you did you see anything?
Casey: I don't think I saw something, but I thought I heard something.
Mackenzie Hrubey: So any the the Bureau of Mound Exploration
Casey: Yes.
Mackenzie Hrubey: okay
Casey: So this leads right back to the Smithsonian. Case file number one leads right back to the Smithsonian.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. Yeah.
Casey: The Smithsonian's own field agents were finding and documenting what was being reported in the local newspapers. If these reports were accurate then the press wasn't just f simply fabricating anything. Why would the Smithsonian want to go explore something that was being fabricated by some Tom Dick and Harry?
Mackenzie Hrubey: They wouldn't want to. Yeah. They have the they have to evaluate what projects they get involved in.
Casey: Exactly. So obviously what they were finding in these mounds was that interesting They had to get their nose in.
Mackenzie Hrubey: That's wild.
Casey: Right?
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yes.
Casey: And not to mention that the institution denies all of this. They deny all of it, which is very odd to me.
Mackenzie Hrubey: And is it where like where's it coming from? Like like wha how does that help anybody? Like how does that help science? You
Casey: It doesn't.
Mackenzie Hrubey: know?
Casey: Like I don't think it helps anybody. What's the point of being told to not report on this or to not show this to the public eye? I don't give a fuck about the Hope Diamond that's in the Smithsonian. You can take that out. I like looking at it too. But like it's beautiful, but if you take
Mackenzie Hrubey: I mean it's really cool. I like looking at it. I like don't I like it's sparkly. I love sparkles.
Casey: a picture of it, it's like seeing it for the first time over again.
Mackenzie Hrubey: No, it's different in person. Just scoot it over. There's room for more. Okay. If
Casey: There's always room for more.
Mackenzie Hrubey: if the president can build a ballroom onto the White House, they can develop the Spisonian and e i enlarge it.
Casey: In fact, I don't think we should move forward with the ballroom. I think we should just extend the Smithsonian.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. And in fact turn the ballroom into a giant exhibit and make it read the
Casey: Yes,
Mackenzie Hrubey: public.
Casey: yes. The exhibit can be the four worst years of American's history.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Eight.
Casey: Yeah, eight. Five. I just keep reminding myself we're halfway through this fucking turn.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, hopefully we'll make it to the other half. Yep.
Casey: Mm-hmm. Yeah. right. I lost my place. Okay. Right?
Mackenzie Hrubey: This is a crazy story. You're convincing me more and more.
Casey: So all the case files we talked about are things the Sasonian denies. But they have their hands in every single one of these case files. And they even deny some of their own public documents.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Weird.
Casey: Like the report from the BEA. Report of the mound exploration. The Smithsonian denies that.
Mackenzie Hrubey: So it never happened?
Casey: Yes, it's your own division working on this.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. That's weird.
Casey: And they're like, No.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Like to what again, like to what end? Are they just dumb or is it like intentional?
Casey: I don't know. Like I I I I don't know. I honestly don't know. I don't part of me thinks it's intentional because what could possibly come out could you know I and I don't want to say mass hysteria, but like you're always gonna have those people who are like, No, that's not real, that's fake news. But like it's
Mackenzie Hrubey: But they can just agree or disagree. Like
Casey: yeah, just agree to disagree. If you don't think that
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: document from fucking eighteen twenty is a a reliable source, just don't I don't fucking care. Don't go to the museum. Stay in your hut. Right.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Leave us out of it.
Casey: Yeah, leave us out of it. If you don't want to educate yourself, leave us out of it.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. Agreed.
Casey: However, all these newspaper articles and the case files are not even the first documentation of giants.
Mackenzie Hrubey: What do mean?
Casey: The indigenous people of North America also have stories describing those who came before them.
Mackenzie Hrubey: It always comes back to Native Americans, every single time.
Casey: Yes. The Paiute detail a war against a race of red-haired cannibalistic giants.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Again with the red hair.
Casey: called the Psi T Cha meaning tall eaters. But tall is spelled like tull T U L E. Tool yeah. Right? According to the legend, the Paiute piled bushes and brush at the entrance of their cave and set it in blaze.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yes, I've heard the story before.
Casey: Annihilating their enemies.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. And i aren't the bodies still there, like allegedly, but like you can
Casey: Allegedly yes.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: So in eighteen ninety nine the I might be butchering this, Chow Taw spoke about a race of giants that once inhabited what is now the state of Tennessee, and whom their ancestors fought. Hold on, I skipped apart. Back to the Pai Ute real quick. There
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: is also a story recorded by Sarah Winnamur Winnamurka.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: She is one she is a Paiute and she was a daughter of one of the chiefs. So she wrote about this story in her book. However, I could not
Mackenzie Hrubey: Cool.
Casey: find the name of it for some reason. but the book was written in eighteen eighty three.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Gotcha.
Casey: So now back to the Chowata. So the Chowata called this race the Nahalo or People of Wonderful Statute.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Huh.
Casey: Who were also said to be cannibals?
Mackenzie Hrubey: Why do they're always eating people?
Casey: Right? Like, I don't know. When I read that they were cannibals, I'm like, wow. Why does it always end up here? Why is it always up here
Mackenzie Hrubey: Well
Casey: with us? It's weird.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Human the other white mate.
Casey: The other white meat. Right? It's just weird. So The I'm gonna butcher this and I apologize for butchering all these words. I really do.
Mackenzie Hrubey: You're you are you are doing your best.
Casey: The Iro Iroquois Confederacy Iroquois Confederacy
Mackenzie Hrubey: Iroquois. Iroquois Federacy. Yeah.
Casey: of the Northeast tells tales of the Gingwasa or stone giants. These giants were said to be man eaters and twice the height of a normal normal man, with skin so hard that it repelled weapons.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Huh.
Casey: All these stories of giant bones stretch across from Ohio, Pennsylvania, No New York, California, all over. There's no denying that there's something there. And someone is hiding it. Just like the government denied UFOs, I believe they're gonna come out in years to come and say, you know what? You guys were right.
Mackenzie Hrubey: The giants are real.
Casey: The giants are real.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Maybe okay, what if the giants are aliens?
Casey: think the drains are aliens.
Mackenzie Hrubey: This is the only time you've ever said something other than an alien. The only time.
Casey: Yeah, I don't think the giants are aliens. I think they're actual like, you know, just before us.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Are you feeling okay?
Casey: I know, I am. I'm feeling fun. Am I what?
Mackenzie Hrubey: Are you febrile? Are you febrile? Do you have a fever?
Casey: No. No, I just I don't there's
Mackenzie Hrubey: Okay.
Casey: no at no point in these stories was it raised to me that man these were dropped by UFOs. These were dropped off by UFOs. They came off
Mackenzie Hrubey: They came up from out of time and out of space.
Casey: the ship! No
Mackenzie Hrubey: Ha wild.
Casey: So these giants are anywhere from eight to ten feet tall. There's proof out there. The question is, where's the proof hiding and why are they hiding it?
Mackenzie Hrubey: So we are going to organize a field trip. you know, kind of like when they tried to go into Area fifty one. They can't stop all of us. So we're all gonna get together. Yeah.
Casey: They can't stop all of us. Someone make a s someone make a Facebook invite.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Put it on Reddit. Stuff spreads like wildfire.
Casey: Yeah. Put it on Reddit. Washington D C is already a mess. What are they gonna do?
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, they're not organized enough for us. We can overcome.
Casey: Yeah. We can send a decoy team somewhere else and then the actual team somewhere else.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah.
Casey: They're not gonna know. So, Mackenzie, they're never gonna know.
Mackenzie Hrubey: They'll never know. How would they know? Yes Yes, Casey?
Casey: What do you rate our very first conspiracy theory on the Field Notes podcast?
Mackenzie Hrubey: Well this is first off, our second one because of the ticks. Remember? Yeah.
Casey: yes yes, but we also there was also a creature involved with that one. True.
Mackenzie Hrubey: True. Okay, fair. Yeah, true.
Casey: Well, I mean yeah.
Mackenzie Hrubey: I started this at a one, full, full transparency. But you have over time you have moved me to a three. I'm at a three. So think about it less of the number, but more about the progress that was made.
Casey: The progress that I made, I take it. I will take that
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. Yes.
Casey: three and I will love it.
Mackenzie Hrubey: What is your blatability scale?
Casey: Five. Why would someone hide something this hard? Why would someone want to hide something this hard?
Mackenzie Hrubey: I feel like they're just dumb, but it's a fair question.
Casey: That's the thing. Like you can't
Mackenzie Hrubey: Answer the question. Yeah.
Casey: answer the question. Answer the question. Yes or no. Are you lying? Like it
Mackenzie Hrubey: Cool.
Casey: yeah. I don't I don't think if something wasn't true someone would go to this extent. Hide
Mackenzie Hrubey: Well, it's just crazy that again, like, if we have similar situations of coexisting things, you know, bipedal walking around stuff happening across the world, why would this be something that we can't talk about or like put up in exhibits
Casey: Exactly.
Mackenzie Hrubey: and like put unless like are the bones too delicate, but then make casts of them, like pastor casts and like talk about like pictures and stuff of it, you know?
Casey: Yeah, it's only the fucking dinosaur bones that are in the Smithsonian are delicate.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Well, most of those are are are plaster casts, but still. You can still make those of the Yeah.
Casey: Do it Do it to the humans. That's the thing.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. Wild. Yeah. I
Casey: I liked this one. It was really fun researching this one. So listeners, I hope you enjoyed it. I hope you enjoy a little banter throughout.
Mackenzie Hrubey: We love when you go off on a conspiracy theory. It's it's great to see you fully fledged.
Casey: You didn't even get me started on pigeons.
Mackenzie Hrubey: we're we're saving that for for October, I think. Yeah,
Casey: You're saving that one.
Mackenzie Hrubey: yeah.
Casey: Alright guys. Well that is all I have for you today. check in next Monday with us. And yeah, we should probably be back to cryptas by then. Who knows? I don't know. I don't make the rules here.
Mackenzie Hrubey: If you like this though, we can always unpack more. Plenty of
Casey: Yeah, let us know. Let us know your field notes. And like, share, subscribe. You can find us at YouTube, Facebook, Spotify, Instagram, all at Field Notes from the Unknown. Alright.
Mackenzie Hrubey: On the internet.
Casey: On the interweb. Get on it.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Yes. Thank you so much.
Casey: Alright guys. Bye.
Mackenzie Hrubey: Bye!
