Phil Rossi Returns! - O.G. Podcaster (Crescent / Harvey / Don't Turn Around)

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This is Phil Rossi and you're listening to Fascination Street Podcasts. Yeah.
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Yes, the amp audio visual down the most interests street
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in the world with my voice d Fascination Street. You
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already knows get it when you wait for the Fascinating Street.
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Welcome back, Street Walkers. This episode is a return visit.
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Phil Rossi first appeared on Fascination Street Podcasts back in
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October of two thy eighteen. Since then, so much has
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happened in the world and in podcasting and in each
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other's lives. So in this episode we don't really cover
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the how did he get from where he was to
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where he is part of his journey. You can go
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back and check that out, though I will warn you
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the audio is a little drinky because I was fairly
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new at this, so bear with me if you're going
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to go back and check that out, which I highly
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recommend you do. But in this episode we kind of
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catch up and see what Phil has been up to
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since then. I gush a little bit all over him because,
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as you will hear, he is one of the og
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Mount Rushmore founding fathers of podcasting. He has been podcasting
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for over twenty years. This dude is a legend. He
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wrote and released fiction novels in podcast forms, so they
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came out episodically in chapters and whatnot. So we talk
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about some of his earlier work. We talk about some
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of the people that he came up with in the
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early podcasting industry. Some of them have been on the
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show and some of them will be on the show.
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And then we talk about some of his current projects.
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He has a podcast called Don't Turn Around which has
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been on for seven years, eight years something like that,
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and in this past year he has recently added a
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video element to that particular podcast where they cover the
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spooky and the spirits and the phenomenons. And then we
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also talk about his YouTube show called Old Spirits, which
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he does with his friends t Morris and Philippa Ballentine,
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which are both some of those aforementioned Mount Rushmore podcasting ogs.
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And that particular show, Old Spirits, does come out seasonally.
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They will be having their fifth seasons starting in March.
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That gives you plenty of time to catch up on
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the first four seasons. And on that show they actually
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go ghost hunting and spirit hunting and phenomenon hunting, and
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it is wild again. That is a video show on
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YouTube and then finally we talk about it Came from
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the Web. That is another podcast that Phil started fairly
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recently where he gathers and talks about ghost stories, alien stories,
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esp stories, just all of the stories that people put
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on the Internet in the hopes that they will find
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a community that doesn't think they're crazy. It is always
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a pleasure interacting with Phil Rossi. He is a podcasting god,
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podcasting royalty. If you will so, I super appreciate you, Phil.
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You are the bees knees And this is my second
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conversation with og podcaster and still one of the greats,
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Phil Rossi.
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Forgretta to be faffinating, forgrett to be facinating, for Beretta
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to be faffinating.
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Welcome back to Fascination Street Podcast, Phil Rossie. What is
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up dude?
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Man, It's good to be back here. I can't remember
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the last time we did this. I know a number
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of years have gone by since we chatted, so I'm
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looking forward to reconnecting.
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A number of years have gone by since we chad it.
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As a matter of fact, your first episode, Phil Rossi
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was released October third, twenty eighteen. A lot has changed since.
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Oh come on twenty eighteen.
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Twenty eighteen. If I have this correctly, you were the
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seventy first episode or something like that. Wow, something like that.
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That's how I remember it anyway, and that has happened.
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That's why my Google machine remembers it something like that.
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Hey, in Google, we trust.
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In Google, we trust.
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So there's been a lot of life between then and today.
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There has, and most okay, some has been good.
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Yeah, I would say a fair portion has been good,
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you know. But you need the not so good to
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make you appreciate the good.
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That's correct. You gotta have the darkness or the light
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doesn't make sense, That's right, Listeners. As I said, Phil's
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first episode was back in October of twenty eighteen. Go
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back and check that out. Because more important than anything
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else that Phil has ever done in his whole life
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is it he let me play the coolest song ever.
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Do you remember what song it was?
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It was my cover of Fascination Street. What hell, oh.
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Gosh, it's still my ring or my ring thought them.
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I love it if you call me that's what.
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I love that so much. I love that you.
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Oh my gosh, it tickled me pink. So listeners were
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not going to do the how did you get from
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where you were to where you are? Thing with Phil
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because we kind of covered his basic life's journey back
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in eighteen. So we're going to talk about some things
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that maybe have happened since then. We'll touch on some
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previous stuff, but for the most part, we're just going
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to catch up.
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Love it.
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A long long time ago, Chirin's there was this brand
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new thing called pod casting. It was so people called
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it podcarding. So back in the olden days, there was
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this website where authors who wrote things could upload them
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in sort of a chapter audiobook format. What was it
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called patiobooks. That was patio books, Yes, it was. There
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was patio books, and there was podcast Pickle. There was
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all these crazy things back in the day.
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Oh, so many different things, so many things.
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And I think one of the people who started some
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of one of those platforms was Evo ta Is that right,
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That's right? And he's a good friend of yours still
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to this very day.
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Yeah, I mean we haven't chatted in a while, but
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we we keep in touch. Evo's h he's good people,
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for sure.
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He is good people. Now. Evo Terra is actually a
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previous guest of this show.
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Of course, I have had.
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So many of the I'm gonna call you guys the
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mount Rushmore of podcasting. I thought all those people like
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Mark Marin and those clowns who act like they invented
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fu fuck those dudes.
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They didn't.
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Those dudes came around like a decade later.
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Yeah, we called that that was the uh the second coming.
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Uh maybe not? Yeah, that's ruse.
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So you have other friends, some who have been on
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this show and some who have not. And again I'm
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calling all of these folks, Yeah, some of the mount
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Rushmore of podcasting. Some of your friends who have not
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been on this show are t Morris.
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Yes, we remain very close.
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Your boyfriend Tim Morris and your girlfriend Philippa Ballentine.
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Right, Yes, I just spoke to her earlier today.
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How is she?
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She's good? Yeah, we uh, we see a lot of
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Tea and Pip.
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They're married, right, they are? Were they always? I mean
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I know they weren't born married, but were they married?
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Back on the Pudio Bookstays.
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Later on in the Patio Bookstays, I think it was
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post Patio Book days.
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Gosh, Now are you friends with mur Lafferty?
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I haven't spoken to murr inny years, but I would
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like to consider her an old friend.
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This is how far back I go with mur Lafferty.
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Playing for keeps. I've got that somewhere down here on
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my shelf.
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I fell in love with podcasting through patio books. Yes,
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there's so many people that I have met and so
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many stories I got to hear, and so many people
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who got to be a part of my show and
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I got to actually speak with them based on you know,
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me digging into those archives and being like, oh my gosh,
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these fools started it all. Scott Siegler yep, uh no,
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he hasn't been on the show, but he's gonna be.
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Yeah.
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We're just playing cat and mess with each other right now.
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Yeah, as as does happen. He's a busy guy here.
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He's a busy guy.
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Seth Hartwood has been on a couple of times.
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Oh, good, old Seth.
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How about Nathan Lowell? Do you remember that guy?
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Nathan Lowell? Full Share, Cordish Air, half Share, all the Share.
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All the Shares. I got to actually meet that dude.
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He was at a sort of a podcast convention. It
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was early on after I first started this. He was
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at a podcast convention in Austin, and I just drove
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up and on a break, we just kind of sat
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in the lobby and then we went eventually went outside
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when it got loud, but he let me just interview
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him right there, like in the light. It was so dope.
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He has a scholar and a gentleman. Nathan Lowell he is.
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And one of the crazy things about him. I mean,
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I'm sure you probably know this, and people listening might
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not care, but he used to live in Santa Fe,
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New Mexico, and he worked at the School for the
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Blind or at the University or Blind or whatever it's called.
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And when he was there, he worked on developing. You know,
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when you're walking down the street and you come to
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an intersection where there's a light, and then you hear
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that beeping, yes, waiting waiting for the light to turn green,
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waiting for the walk. He was part of the team
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that came up with that beeping to help no kidding,
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the visually impaired people not get ran over.
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Did not know that. I did not know that. That
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is some good trivia right there.
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That is some trivia. I'll give you that. How about
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Tiffany Mack Are you familiar with Tiffany Mac.
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Tiffany, I don't know Tiffany.
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Tiffany Mack is not one of the OG podcasters. I
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bring her up because the name is very familiar.
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I will say that.
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I think she would be a great guest for one
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of your shows.
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Really.
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She has some supernatural slash alien encounter stories that I
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think would really drive you nets.
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Okay, I like the sound of that she was nabbed. Bro, Okay,
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that she got napped. That is right, my right in
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my wheelhouse. Napped. I want you on the show.
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I am going to make that happen. She got napped, bro.
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I'm going to connect you guys I love obviously offline
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and make sure that happens. So some of the things
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that we're going to talk about are First, we're going
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to talk about some podcasting in general stuff since you're OG,
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and and we're gonna talk about some specific things that
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you do behind a microphone.
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Yeah, for sure.
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First off, your water bottle is the rage it is.
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Everybody loves those things. My wife got one from her
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friend for Christmas and it is the Bee's Knees.
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I love it. It's a water bottel ostensibly, but there's
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a certain magic to it.
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It has a name.
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This is the a Wala Wala Wala.
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My favorite part is that straw thing.
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I like that. I can drink through the straw. If
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I'm feeling like drinking through a straw, I can drink
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through the larger part, or I can drink through both
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at the same time. It's it makes hydration fun.
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Talent.
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We'll call it talent.
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Okay, So since you're og, when do you think was
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the first time ish that you got into podcasting, that
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you became a podcaster?
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So the first time generally became a podcast aster was
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two thousand and five.
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Five kids, that's twenty years. Hey, happy anniversary, man.
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Thank you very much. I started a podcast called Filling
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the Page Ton very very heartily intended it was a
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writing podcast. I was inspired by Murs I Should Be Writing,
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and I said, why don't I start a podcast about
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my experience as someone who was trying to figure out
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how to get into writing? And I did that for
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a couple of years.
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What made you decide to start the podcast was I
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should be Writing? Was that? Was that a podcast as well?
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That was that was a podcast? That was Murmers. I
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believe it was her first show and it was just
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so practical. I found it very inspiring, and I figured
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by starting a similarly themed podcast would help motivate me
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to keep putting words down on the page. Did it
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It did, Actually, it did quite a bit. And then
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in the same timeframe, I got involved with podcast Pickle
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and was hosting my show there as well. And then
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they started doing this podcaster competition called Pickle Tales, and
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I don't know if you remember that, I don't. Christiana
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ellis one of the gee's. She was one of the
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judges at the time, and each week there was a
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new challenge for the participants.
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Because it's almost like a Master Chef kind of thing,
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weekly challenge, you're getting prompts. Yeah, you're getting prompts with
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certain criteria, and then you have to come up with
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an episode and then the judge's weighing on it. But
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then there's also an audience vote component as well. And
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I actually won the first Pickle Tails.
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Well, don't sound so surprised.
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I was the champion.
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Did you get a pickle of work? Did you get
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like a golden pickle.
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You know what, I didn't get a golden pickle. I
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think I got a Musician's Friend gift card, which was brilliant.
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I actually got a compressor with that, which I still
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use to this day for podcasting.
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That's a good compressor that lasted twenty years.
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It is it is a Behringer compressor, and it's a workhorse.
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Barager products are workhorses, and I'm not affiliated with the brand,
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but if they would like to sponsor me in any way,
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shape or form, I will give them your phone number, Yes,
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give them my digits.
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When did you decide to and maybe it was the
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podcast Pickle Olympics or whatever the fuck that was. When
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did you first decide to start putting your actual stories
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instead of just talking about writing? When did you actually write?
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Yeah? So I did a couple short stories on Filling
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the Page, which got the gears turning. At the time
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of doing the Filling the Page podcast, I was working
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on my first novel, a little novel called Crescent.
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That was my first novel. Holy shit. Yeah, And I
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didn't necessarily have an intention of podcasting it when I
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started writing it, but then I got into Patio Books
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and was listening to all the great books there and
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that's where I became acquainted with the name T. Morris,
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and a little research revealed that he lived very close
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to where I live, and so I shot him an
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email one day and said, hey, man, I'm a local author,
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I'm into podcasting. I'd like to pick your brain a
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little bit. Would you like to meet up for drinks?
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at a little bar called the Aspurn Pub, which is
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right around the corner from my house. Did you say
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aspirin ash Ashburn? Okay, Aspurn would back to be pretty much.
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Like that's a good name for a pub, the pub
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you're going to need tomorrow.
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started telling him about Crescent and like, here's the premise
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of the book and here's sort of the vision and
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I was thinking about podcasting it, but I'm not really sure.
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It seems like a lot of work to podcast an
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entire novel. And he said, flat out, oh, you got
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a podcast this. You have to turn this into a podcast,
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and I said, okay, I'm going to do it, And
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thus began the journey of turning Cressen into a podcast.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Crescent is fucking phenomenal.
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Thank you so much.
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You're welcome. I can't believe that was your first novel.
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That was extraordinary.
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That was my first novel, and if you'd believe it,
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I've sort of come full circle.
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You're going to start podcasting again.
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I'm writing a second edition, or working on a second
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edition of Cressin.
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Not a sequel, but a re imagining.
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Sticking very closely to its roots. But I've grown as
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a writer in intervening years. I've had a way more
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life experience just in the last twenty years than I
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the book, and so I'm a different writer, and I
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feel I'm in a position to really make that story
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shine in a more powerful, evocative way. So I've started
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working on a rewrite in parallel also working on the
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much requested sequel.
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Okay, so you're ginger to rewrite of the initial and
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you're in tandem writing a sequel.
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Spoiler alert it is, Let's get back into it.
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Are you afraid that you're gonna piss your fans off,
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like in the same way that the Star Wars fools
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when they redid that they han shot first or first
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or whatever?
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You know.
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I don't want to piss anyone off, certainly especially the
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fans that have been such big loyal supporters of my work.
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But at the same time, it just feels so right
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that at the end of the day, if I piss
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people off, I mean, that's kind of on them.
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You got to break some eggs, if that makes sense.
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You've got to break some eggs. And if I can
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only control what I'm putting out into the universe, I
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can't control the response that's coming back to me. And
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I just know it feels right to do this.
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Well, as long as I don't piss you off, then
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we're good. Yeah, I'm the one that matters the most. Guys,
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why did you decide to do this? I know you said,
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you know, after twenty years, you're a better writer, but
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oh yeah, I mean yeah, let's sleep and dogs lie dude.
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Like it was successful as far as I mean, you
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would fucking know better than me. But it was hugely successful, right,
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Like it was the start of your whole empire. It was.
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It was hugely successful, millions of downloads. I mean, it
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was an Amazon bestseller.
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So why fuck with it? Like if it ain't broke
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or was it always nagging at you?
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So And it wasn't even something that was nagging at me.
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It was one day I unearthed a handful of original
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copies of the book itself.
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Like paper ones, like bound copies.
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Yep, the bound copies.
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Do you still have some?
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I might have one or two left. I can send
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you one. We'll talk behind the scenes about that.
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We'll talk behind everybody's back.
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Wink wink. I read a few pages and was the
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gut response of, oh, this is how I would write
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that today.
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So it was like, if you go back right now
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and listen to like some of your first podcasting, you're
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just like Crims and you're like, oh fuck, what was
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that Like that?
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It wasn't even what the fuck, Like, oh, that's awful.
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But I just saw this amazing opportunity, Like in these
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different sections that I was reading, I'm like, oh, there's
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an opportunity there to really kind of grab them by
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the nuts. And then I got me to thinking that, Okay,
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you know, there's a whole potential audience out there that
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has not experienced this book, and so why not give
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it a fresh coat of painting. I look at it
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as as a sculpture, right that I haven't chipped off
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all the pieces, right, it's not the finished sculpture, but
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I thought it was until I turned it and looked
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at it from a different angle and then saw that, oh,
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there's more work to be done here.
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Interesting. I don't know how I feel about that, not
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that you give a shit, but I'm just like, I
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don't I don't know. Like I didn't understand when all
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of those Star Wars nerds got so mad that they
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recred it or whatever. But now I guess so I
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understand what they mean. No, I'm mat Yeah, I'm just kidding. Yeah, okay, Well,
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I'm super excited to see what kind of changes, and
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I'm sure it's going to be something subtle and I
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might not even notice. Like, I can't assume you're going
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to change massive parts of the story just more of
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the writing.
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Yes, more of the writing. But there is something that
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will change, I think in a way that is only
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going to make sense to the original fans.
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Okay, tell me how the sequel ends? Just kidding, do
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you know how it ends? How do you write? Do
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you write like as it comes? Or do you do
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an outline or you like Stephen King, or you just
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start writing until you run out of cocaine.
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I'm all out. So I have written the whole thing yet, No,
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it depends, honestly, and that's such an easy way to
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answer the question. Sometimes I do outlines, sometimes I just
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rough notes, and sometimes from the hip. And with Crescent
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and the sequel, it's a combination of all of those.
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I don't know how the sequel ends. I can see
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the setup for the ending itself, because it's an image
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that I had in my head when I finished the
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first book. I'm not going to describe it because I'm
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really looking forward to writing it. I know some of
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the ending action that builds up to the climax, right,
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but I don't fully know the climax yet.
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Got you next question, Why did you wait twenty years
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to decide it needs a sequel?
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Why did I wait twenty years?
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I know it's not twenty years, but you know roughly why?
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Why well as well be life. A lot of life
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happened in the intervening years, you know. I wrote Crescent,
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and then the plan was I was gonna work on
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a little book called Eden, and the follow up for Eden,
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then work on a little book called Harvey. And then
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once I did Eden Harvey, I was going to come
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back around to Crescent. But around the time of Harvey
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is when life happened, and uh, there was a lot
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of upheaval and kind of threw me off the writing
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path quite a bit.
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Well, I'm glad that you got those other things handled
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enough that you can start writing again.
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Amen.
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Once you stopped writing, was it hard to get back
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into it? Like, I know, like stand up comics, if
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they don't do an open mic or something, after about
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two weeks, they're just like, do I even know not
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have to do this anymore? Did you have that same feeling?
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So here's the thing. I didn't fully stop writing. I
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was doing a lot of short fiction that I just
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didn't do anything with.
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I was gonna say, your diary doesn't count.
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Bro, Yeah, my diary doesn't count. My vampire diaries does
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not count. Vampire diaries always counts. I was still writing.
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I was working on short fiction, none of which I
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podcasted until I started doing a Patreon in twenty seventeen,
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and then I started podcasting that short fiction again, which
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then ridged the gap for several years. And then, gosh,
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in the early twenty twenties, which I guess we're in
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the mid twenty twenties now, I started submitting work to
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different anthologies. A couple of them up on the shelf
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which your listeners can't see. But did a little anthology work,
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and so the writing never really stopped, and I always
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had that sequel kind of sitting on the shelf of
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my mind. It was a matter of being ready for it,
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which sounds ridiculous being the writer that could write the
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sequel because it's a bigger book. It's been a more
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challenging book to write. And I just didn't feel the
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call until the last couple of years.
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I don't know about feel the call. It sounds like
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you were scared. I'm going to go with your little
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cribbaby scared gut you know.
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I will say this, fear's a component fear as an opponent.
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I think some of it was living as someone that
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is challenged by anxiety and with life being life, and
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in the last four or five years seeing a real shift,
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a real increase in my challenges with anxiety and depression,
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that fear component became something very real. At a certain point,
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became paralyzing. Even where I would sit down to write,
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nothing would come.
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Did zap your confidence all of the shit that you
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had going on?
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Oh yeah, hugely? Confidence, self worth, identity, all of it.
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What did you do about it?
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I got help.
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Feel free to not share what you don't want to share,
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but for the people listening who might be in a
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similar situation.
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I'm happy to share. I got with a really good
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therapist and just really kind of worked through the therapeutic process.
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I got medicated as well, which helped for a while.
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But life continued to throw a lot of challenges my way,
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and everything kind of culminated in a major crisis last
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year and I was in a real, real bad way
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and really threw me for a loop. I was out
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of commission in more ways than one, and I had
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to really be dedicated to getting out of a real
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healing journey. Got you to work through these challenges to
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find a place where I could, you know, exist with
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the depression and anxiety and then find a place where
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I could create space between myself and the depression and
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the anxiety, and then finally find myself in a place
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where my life was not dictated by that. And that's
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where I find myself today.
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Fantastic. You live in Maryland? Is that right? I live
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in Virginia, same thing. Do you live near Maryland or
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further in?
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Oh? Yeah, I'm about forty minutes from Maryland.
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Okay, I'm only asking because fairly recently, like maybe I
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don't know, six weeks ago, my wife and I went
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to Colonial Williamsburg, Oh yeah, yeah, and then on over
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to Chinkatigue and Acid Teague.
515
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Yep. It's beautiful there.
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And then Annapolis yep, and it was gorgeous.
517
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It is beautiful therea I've been out that way.
518
00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:03.920
I want to formally apologize to you and all of
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your coastal friends for what I can only assume was
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all of the seafood that exists that I ate. So
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I'm sorry that there's a seafood shortage on your coast.
522
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And I love seafood. So no, thanks to you.
523
00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:22.880
Yeah, sorry, buddy, but I did enjoy myself thoroughly.
524
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Good. Good for you.
525
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How do you think that the landscape of podcasting has
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changed in the twenty years that you've been doing this?
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Cool?
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Well, first of all, is it easier as far.
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As what aspect of it? As far as starting up
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a podcast?
531
00:27:38.680 --> 00:27:41.920
Yeah, starting a podcast, actually producing one, getting one out,
532
00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:44.920
not finding the listeners, I know that has only gotten harder.
533
00:27:44.920 --> 00:27:48.440
But the actual process of starting one and releasing one.
534
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Do you think that that has gotten easier.
535
00:27:50.839 --> 00:27:53.400
I think there are more tools available and there's a
536
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lot more knowledge out there for someone who's new to it.
537
00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:58.400
There's also more tools doing podcasts.
538
00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:03.279
Yeah, the tools podcast. Wink wink. Yes, I like what
539
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you did there. Actually I support this message. Yeah, I
540
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think it's easier. I think it's easier from a nuts
541
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and bolt standpoint, easier in a way that you know,
542
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anyone could technically do it.
543
00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:18.359
Okay, So, just by way of example, when you first
544
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started podcasting twenty years ago, nobody knew what that was
545
00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:24.680
and you had to explain it to every single person
546
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that you came across. What is a podcast? Where can
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I find it? What is it on? I still every
548
00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:31.559
once in a while somebody will ask me when is
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my show on?
550
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Right?
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And I'm just like, you're to your fucking mind right.
552
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But just like, as an example, I live in a
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super small town just outside of San Antonio, Texas, where
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I'm sitting right now in my podcasting studio in my home.
555
00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:54.960
Within a five mile radius, there's nine podcasts. That's how
556
00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:56.920
ubiquitous podcasting has become.
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00:28:57.039 --> 00:28:58.640
That's wild. That's wild.
558
00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:03.680
It is no and they're all about different things. There's finance, podcasts.
559
00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:07.960
There's podcasts about the Good Lord, there's podcasts about sports,
560
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:11.119
and there's podcasts about cars, like all within five miles
561
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:12.519
of me right now. It's weird.
562
00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:14.359
It's strange. It is.
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How do you think it has changed from the aspect
564
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of trying to gain attention or a rise above the
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00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:23.519
noise or grab listeners? How has that changed?
566
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:26.880
I mean, I think it's a state. It simply it's
567
00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:32.559
way more of a challenge to grab listeners. How why one,
568
00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:34.759
there's so many podcasts out there.
569
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:36.599
There's a lot of podcasts out there.
570
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There's a few, there's a few more of them back
571
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in the day. And then it's the sort of main
572
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streaminization of the podcast where now we have these large
573
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podcast brands and all this you know, sleek advertising, and
574
00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:57.359
it's way harder to get featured on Apple podcasts for example.
575
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A lot of the things that were way more grassroots efforts,
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like you get those listeners and you're going to get
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more exposure. I think that threshold of listener number has
578
00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:11.920
just grown exponentially before you get exposure, and you're seeing
579
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a lot more networks write, a lot more podcasting networks
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out there now. I mean back when we were starting.
581
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I think Audiobooks was really the network and then otherwise,
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and it was considered a network for the sake of
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publishing what they were doing to podcasts at the time.
584
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But now you've got Stitcher and Wondery and all the
585
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big networks out there that are pushing their talent right
586
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and effectively pushing it and have these big marketing budgets
587
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and puts those of us without these large marketing budgets
588
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or marketing teams at the disadvantage of getting out in
589
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front of more ears.
590
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That makes sense. And boy, are they've throwing a lot
591
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of money around in the upper echelons of podcasting right now.
592
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Oh yes, it's insane.
593
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:02.640
Odd, almighty, it is nuts.
594
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If someone told me that a particular podcast would be
595
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grossing tens of millions of dollars in a month, in
596
00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:14.079
a month, if I was told that back in two
597
00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:17.359
thousand and seven when I released Crescent, I would have laughed,
598
00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:19.920
that's ridiculous, Yeah.
599
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Like where's that money coming from? These are free? Yeah, yes,
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you would. You would be so confused back then, you'd
601
00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:29.960
be like, what are you talking about? Like America, like
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real dollars, tangible dollars, what are you Is this a.
603
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:35.319
Big are the yeah all shoot bucks?
604
00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:39.880
Exactly? Are these shoot bucks? What are you talking about?
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Hey, street walkers, here's a word from our sponsors. Let's
606
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:49.200
get back into it.
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I want to talk about a few other things. Oh,
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but first, I want to apologize everybody who is definitely
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going to go back and listen to Phil's first episode
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on Nason Street. I want to apologize for the audio
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quality of twenty eighteen and fascinating street. Sorry I got better,
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but sorry. I want to talk about things. Tell me
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a story about a candy factory in the city of Manassas.
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Oh, the candy factory. Let's take the winding path to
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the candy factory. In twenty nineteen, I started a podcast
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called Don't Turn Around. It is a paranormal podcast. It
617
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is about the intersection of these experiences with the unexplained
618
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and how it impacts our human experience, how it impacts
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00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:42.559
our life journey. It's ghost stories and spooky stories and
620
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UFO stories and Bigfoot stories.
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Is that the podcast my daughter was on?
622
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:49.799
Yes, it is. That's the one, okay where she shared
623
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:53.799
some amazing stories, probably one of my best episodes to date.
624
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:56.200
That is some shit I never heard before, by the way,
625
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:59.119
really yeah, her mom and I were listening going like,
626
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what the fuck.
627
00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:05.079
I love that I've had that happen too. That's always
628
00:33:05.079 --> 00:33:07.079
an honor when someone says, this is the first time
629
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I'm telling this story. It makes me feel like I've
630
00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:13.359
created a safe space. And that's also what the show's about.
631
00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:16.400
So in starting that show. After a few episodes of
632
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:19.559
this show, after talking to people about their incredible experiences,
633
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.880
I decided I would like to try my hand at
634
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paranormal investigation. I'd always been into what paranormal TV. I
635
00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:28.559
always thought it was fun to watch, never thought it
636
00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:30.640
was something that I would really try. It didn't seem
637
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like something practical that I could do. But having these
638
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:36.960
conversations changed that idea that, Okay, this can be practical.
639
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I live ten minutes from a battlefield. Let me pick
640
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:41.039
up a couple items and go out there and check
641
00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:42.680
it out. And so I did, and.
642
00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:45.079
Like a Civil War battlefield.
643
00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:50.079
Yeah, yeah, I'm fifteen minutes from the Battle of Ball's Bluff,
644
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:54.119
which was one of the earliest engagements in the Civil War.
645
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:57.880
I believe it was October eighteen sixty one, so really
646
00:33:57.960 --> 00:33:59.640
right at the start of the war. And it was
647
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a that was based purely on a miscommunication. The Union
648
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:04.960
thought there was a Confederate camp, but like a small camp.
649
00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:09.599
Knock a full garrison there. And they came across the
650
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river and a battle ensued and it was just a disaster,
651
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and they were trying to swim back to the other side,
652
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and they were swamping their boats and hundreds, about one
653
00:34:18.159 --> 00:34:20.800
hundred people died in that battle, and a handful of
654
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:24.079
unnamed soldiers are from the Union are buried there today.
655
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And there are local stories about this spot being very haunted.
656
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And so I said, let's give it a crack, because
657
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:31.880
I also learned through doing my show, you don't have
658
00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:35.079
to go at night time for the spirits to be out.
659
00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:38.400
The spirits don't operate on a day night cycle. You're
660
00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:40.360
just as likely to have a good experience in the
661
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daytime as you are when the sun goes down. And
662
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so I headed over there, and did you go by yourself?
663
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I went by myself? Yep. I went early one morning
664
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by myself. It was a beautiful spring morning, a little chili,
665
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and I had my little spirit box, which is a
666
00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:58.480
device that cycles through radio stations. And it's said that
667
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:02.239
spirits can pipulate these frequencies to be able to communicate.
668
00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:05.920
And I had an EMF, which is an electromagnetic field detector.
669
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It said that spirits, when they manifest, it causes changes
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in the environmental electromagnetic field and a digital recorder and
671
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that was it. Nothing really weird happened when I went
672
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:19.519
out there at all, talking to no one in particular.
673
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I was out there asking my questions. But there was
674
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just something magical about the experience. It was almost meditative.
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Time slowed down. I was just very present in the
676
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moment and it just was connecting with the land and
677
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connecting with the history. And decided then and there that
678
00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:40.840
this is for me. We'll fast forward a little bit.
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I called my good buddy T Morris, as we discussed
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him earlier, and I said, hey, man, we had been
681
00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:49.679
playing this game called Pasmophobia at the time. If you're
682
00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:52.599
not familiar, it's a ghost hunting on crack kind of
683
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:54.880
hyperreal gaming experience.
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And we had been playing a video game. Are you
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throwing dice?
686
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This is a video game, okay, And we've been doing
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this to kind of while the hours away during the pandemic.
688
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And I called him up one day, I said, hey, man,
689
00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:09.599
it's been a lot of fun playing Fasmo, But how
690
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would you like to try this for real? And they said, yeah,
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do you have anything in mind? Well, I already had
692
00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:16.360
a placebook that had a date. I just needed him
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to say yes a place. Yes. We went to a
694
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place called Belgrove Plantation, which is in King George, Virginia.
695
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Was featured on an episode of Kindred Spirits, one of
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our favorite paranormal shows, and that's how I discovered it.
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00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:32.400
And you can stay the night they lean into the
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paranormal there, so they you're allowed to do investigations there,
699
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and so we did a sort of a guided investigation
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experience where things happened that we we couldn't explain, and
701
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:45.960
from that point he was hooked. And that's where we
702
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:49.239
actually caught some of our very first EVPs, which is
703
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:53.760
known as electronic voice phenomena. So that is a sound
704
00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:56.280
that you capture on a recorder that you don't hear
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00:36:56.400 --> 00:37:00.320
with your ears. Often it's voices, whispers, sighs, And as
706
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:03.760
an audio person, this was always very intriguing to me.
707
00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:06.840
But I've caught things that to this day that I
708
00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:10.800
can't explain as audio artifact or another voice with us.
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00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:12.920
Can I'll share some with you? How's that I can
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send you some stuff to keep you awake at night?
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00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:17.440
You know what. Send me some stuff and I'll put
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00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:18.679
it right here.
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00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:31.880
You are here, give us a sign. Speak with us, please,
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anyone from the.
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Army of the Perturnment. Yeah.
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00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:44.760
So, T and I we've been doing this for a
717
00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:48.159
number of years now, right, and we get approached by
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00:37:48.440 --> 00:37:52.480
the City of Manassas in conjunction with this space known
719
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as the Art Factory, which is a art gallery and
720
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performance space that is housed inside this building that used
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to be a candy factory. At one point, there used
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to be a hotel there that burned down, and before
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that it was a Confederate encampment during the Civil War,
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and the people that work there had so many different
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stories about strange things that went on and wanted to
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00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:24.239
one know, you know, what is really going on here.
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We're feeling uncomfortable, and they had us come in and
728
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the goal was that we would come in and do
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sort of a private investigation with them, but they thought
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it would be neat a neat activity for Halloween season
731
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:39.199
to do a public investigation where T and I would
732
00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:41.840
do a guided investigation we would have participants that would
733
00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:44.239
come out by tickets. Well, the whole event was a
734
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:48.679
huge success, but in the time of investigating there, our
735
00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:53.880
devices were very active. We saw shadows, we captured EVPs,
736
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:59.239
heard disembodied voices. And since that initial investigation, we've been
737
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:01.719
back there several times. And one of the coolest things
738
00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:05.239
we did at the Candy Factory, so they did a
739
00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:08.880
haunted attraction last year. They set up the candy Factory
740
00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:11.360
as a haunted house to earn funds to kind of
741
00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:15.159
keep the lights on right, and they wanted to know, well,
742
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:17.320
if we have this haunted attraction here, if we do
743
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:20.199
this event, is this going to have an impact on
744
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:23.159
the paranormal activity here? And we would love you guys
745
00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:26.519
to come out do an investigation. We can do it
746
00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:29.239
like a public investigation where people can buy like a
747
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:31.800
deluxe attraction ticket and they get to do the investigation
748
00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:36.519
as well. And we did this investigation midnight after the
749
00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:42.360
haunted house had shut down, and absolutely we noticed a
750
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:45.679
big difference in the activity that we were experiencing there.
751
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:51.400
It seemed way more prickly, a little agitated, a little overstimulated,
752
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:55.000
which adds up with having such a busy event with
753
00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:57.360
so many people passing through the space. But it was
754
00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:00.039
a really it was a very interesting thought experiment. And
755
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:04.199
we're actually going to be doing the same thing this October.
756
00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:06.920
They wanted us to come back and do another post
757
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:11.119
haunted attraction investigation. And I will say this too. Of
758
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:15.440
just doing public events, we've done some speaking engagements. We've
759
00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:19.639
done public events at other locations with guided investigations. That's
760
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:21.480
some of our favorite work that we do is being
761
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:25.639
able to connect the community, to have candid conversations about
762
00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:29.920
the paranormal and really make it more of a approachable subject.
763
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:33.000
And this is you and T Morris, me and T Morris.
764
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:36.079
So well, our group is called Old Spirits Investigations. We've
765
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:39.440
got a YouTube channel where we post all of our investigations.
766
00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:42.000
And so T and I were the quote unquote founders
767
00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:43.679
of Old Spirits Investigations.
768
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:46.559
Well, don't get ahead of me. Oh hey, tell me
769
00:40:46.599 --> 00:40:48.519
about Old Spirits on YouTube.
770
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:50.920
Your sister of nurse.
771
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:55.280
That's rewind appreciate it.
772
00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:59.119
Yeah, So, Old Spirits Investigations is the group that T.
773
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:03.760
Morris and I formed to essentially formalize our pursuit of
774
00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:07.280
the paranormal, and we started a YouTube channel where we
775
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:10.880
produce episodes of our investigations and so as Tea and
776
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:15.000
myself are the primary members, and then both of our
777
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:19.360
wives are members as well and join us on investigations.
778
00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:21.400
And Tea's wife is Philippa Valentine.
779
00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:25.960
His wife is Filippa Valentine. My wife absolutely, Christina Rossi.
780
00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:30.880
She is also our director of photography. She's a brilliant photographer.
781
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:34.119
Christina Rossi. Is she related to Phil Rossi?
782
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:41.800
She's my wife, Oh, yes, and so and then we
783
00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:44.360
have what we call friends of Osi, so people in
784
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:47.440
other cities that join us on investigations as well. But
785
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:51.960
we're in the fourth quote unquote season of producing content
786
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:55.079
for YouTube and it's been just a ton of fun
787
00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:59.039
getting out there filming these investigations. And it's fun also
788
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:02.639
watching from our very first episode to where we've evolved
789
00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:04.840
to today. As you know, a lot of growth can
790
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:06.920
happen in that time if you're doing it right and
791
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:09.079
you're being critical of the process and so.
792
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:11.519
Yeah, if you give a shit, you give a shit.
793
00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:14.079
Yeah, if you want to grow, you'll grow. And we
794
00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:17.440
filmed the first two episodes for what will be our
795
00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:21.320
fifth season, and from there it's like an astronomical leap
796
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:24.880
from our filming style in previous seasons. Been very exciting
797
00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:25.119
to do.
798
00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:27.159
When does the fifth season start?
799
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:29.280
That should be around March.
800
00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:32.599
I believe, oh shit, you guys are doing this way
801
00:42:32.599 --> 00:42:33.239
ahead of time.
802
00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:36.400
Oh yeah, oh yeah, because the editing process which T
803
00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:38.440
does all of he is a superstar.
804
00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:41.239
Thanks T Morris, You're a bad as Thank you, T Morris,
805
00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:41.760
We love you.
806
00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:44.199
He puts a ton of time into it, he is,
807
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:46.280
and he does such a great job, but it it
808
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:48.519
consumes a lot of man hours.
809
00:42:48.760 --> 00:42:51.119
That's one of the things that I've noticed about podcasting
810
00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:54.800
is that nobody edits now, yeah, nobody edits any podcasting
811
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:56.280
and drives me fucking crazy.
812
00:42:56.360 --> 00:42:57.360
It drives me nuts too.
813
00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:00.360
If I'm listening to a podcast and I hear the
814
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:03.079
host tell the guest I'll be right back. I'm going
815
00:43:03.159 --> 00:43:05.480
to go to the bathroom. I want to shoot myself
816
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:09.119
in the face. And I hear that so much, Or
817
00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:11.960
if I hear somebody say, oh, we'll fix that in post.
818
00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:14.800
What why am I hearing that?
819
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:18.039
I don't understand, especially if you're not fixing anything in
820
00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:19.280
posts exactly.
821
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:23.639
So that drives me crazy. So thank you and thank
822
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:26.159
T for editing. Good god, Oh.
823
00:43:26.119 --> 00:43:27.800
Yeah, I will. I will pass that along when I
824
00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:28.559
talked to him later.
825
00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:30.199
No, No, he'll listen, he'll listen.
826
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:33.280
He will listen. He will listen. He's my number one thing.
827
00:43:33.760 --> 00:43:35.559
Hey, T Morris, I want you on the show and
828
00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:37.559
I want your wife on the show separately as well,
829
00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:41.480
because y'all are both badasses in your own right. That's right, Okay,
830
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:44.719
So that's Manasas. So how many times have you, I
831
00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:48.119
don't know participated in this Manassas candy factory thing.
832
00:43:48.679 --> 00:43:51.280
So we've investigated the candy factory I want to say
833
00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:52.679
five or six times.
834
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:56.880
And initially it was because you had found that location
835
00:43:56.960 --> 00:43:58.400
and wanted to do it based on a thing that
836
00:43:58.440 --> 00:43:58.840
you saw.
837
00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:01.320
So Tea and Pip than Manassas at the time, so
838
00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:03.679
they were aware of this property, and Pip hat some
839
00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:07.159
research on the history, and I believe they reached out
840
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:09.920
to the city of Manassas initially seeing if there was
841
00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:13.440
somewhere one of the properties owned by the city that
842
00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:17.280
we could perhaps investigate. And it was Manassas Museum which
843
00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:20.840
came back to us and initially mentioned the candy factory
844
00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:22.360
because we were trying to I believe, get into one
845
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:25.039
of their other properties that was not available, and they said, well,
846
00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:27.960
here's the potential place that you can work with to
847
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:28.880
do an investigation.
848
00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:32.519
Have you had that kind of experience before where the
849
00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:36.840
city is like not only okay with it, but like
850
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:41.760
involved in you know, kind of this instrumentation of it
851
00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:43.360
or the implementation of it.
852
00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:46.960
That was the first time, and pretty much it's been
853
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:50.239
such a fruitful relationship with the city of Manassas in
854
00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:54.280
terms of them allowing us into properties. They just reopened
855
00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:57.639
one property in the last year, I believe it was
856
00:44:57.679 --> 00:45:01.599
called Annaberg, which is a mansion and Manassas owned by
857
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:05.480
a beer baron which is right up our rally that
858
00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:08.880
had never ever the candy factory had never been investigated.
859
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:12.079
Annaberg had never been investigated. But we're the first group
860
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:14.920
that they have ever really connected with on this level
861
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:16.519
to do these things. And I think in the beginning
862
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:19.039
there was you know, it was feeling each other out.
863
00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:21.360
They were feeling us out, we were feeling them out.
864
00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:23.880
But since then we've become you know, our connection has
865
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:27.320
become very very solid and it's I'm very honored to
866
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:28.800
be working with those people.
867
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:31.800
Do we say the name of the beer baron or No.
868
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:34.400
I can't remember it. I've got my notebook here, but
869
00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:36.440
it's probably forever to find it.
870
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:38.760
That's fine, no worries, No, I get it.
871
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:43.679
You can take that out and post. Yah. Now you
872
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:44.360
have to leave it in.
873
00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:48.199
Now I have to write. Okay, tell me what is
874
00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:50.960
Dudley Town and why is it important to the journey
875
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:51.840
of Phil Rossi.
876
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:55.400
Oh, Dudley Town is important to the Journey of Phil
877
00:45:55.519 --> 00:46:02.039
Rossi because it was one of the most life altering
878
00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:06.199
paranormal experiences that I've ever had, and it was the
879
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:09.000
first time that I had gone out to a location
880
00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:13.480
seeking out paranormal experiences. This was when I was in
881
00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:17.000
high school back in the late nineties. It was part
882
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:19.480
of a class field trip for a class that was
883
00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:23.679
called Call of the Wild, which was a class based
884
00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:28.480
on nature and literature and how nature and experiences in
885
00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:29.559
our natural world.
886
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:31.760
How old are you that you were in a class
887
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:33.079
taught by Jack London.
888
00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:35.280
No, it wasn't taught by Jack London.
889
00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:37.840
Oh, okay, we went over to Jacqueline.
890
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:41.800
It was taught by a guy named Bob Jillette. That
891
00:46:41.920 --> 00:46:50.639
joke went right over my head. Yeah, So we went
892
00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:53.119
up to Dudley town to camp up there, and we
893
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:55.840
camped on the outskirts of town. We did a daytime
894
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:59.199
walk through and it was just so eerily quiet in
895
00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:02.039
this town. It was springtime, so you would expect to
896
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:05.719
hear birds chirping and the peepers, the little toads singing,
897
00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:08.440
there a little song which we heard in the surrounding wilderness,
898
00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:11.960
But once we got out into Dudley Town itself, it
899
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:16.400
was just deathly quiets. I have not experienced that kind
900
00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:21.039
of silence in nature anywhere else. Nothing really happened as
901
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:22.400
we were doing the walk through. It was just this
902
00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:25.400
creepy quiet. But then we did go back at night
903
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:29.400
time because part of the experience of the field trip
904
00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:32.599
was you would be left in various locations solo or
905
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:35.599
with a small group to see what you experienced, if
906
00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:38.039
you experienced anything paranormal or otherwise.
907
00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:39.400
And this is in high school.
908
00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:41.039
This is in high school. You probably wouldn't se arip
909
00:47:41.119 --> 00:47:41.960
like this today.
910
00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:43.480
Sure, where is Dudley Town?
911
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:46.760
What state it is in Connecticut? It's in upstate Connecticut.
912
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:48.000
Is that where you were living at the time.
913
00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:50.239
That's yep, That's where I grew up. I grew up
914
00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:50.760
in Connecticut.
915
00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:51.440
Yep, okay.
916
00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:55.920
So we are walking out to Dudley Town itself, and
917
00:47:56.159 --> 00:47:58.639
the first strange thing that happened was there's a car
918
00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:01.440
in the middle of the wood, a big kind of
919
00:48:01.599 --> 00:48:05.239
nineteen seventies sedan with the big metal bumpers, and there's
920
00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:07.400
this and the headlights are blazing, and there's a guy
921
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:10.840
in a sort of green army fatigue jacket and a
922
00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:14.360
buffalo plaid flannel shirt beneath it, long hair beard. I
923
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:18.519
still remember him vividly. It was very confusing because there's
924
00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:23.119
no roads that lead into Dudleytown. There's only a walking path.
925
00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:24.880
There's no way to drive a car up there. It
926
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:26.079
is impossible.
927
00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:28.519
Do people live there or is this like a literal
928
00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:29.039
ghost town?
929
00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:32.039
A literal ghost town. No one lives there. Yeah, nearest
930
00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:35.119
house is miles and miles away, so no one lives there.
931
00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:37.039
So the fact that this guy in his car were
932
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:40.599
in the middle of the woods was inexplicable. My professor
933
00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:44.239
had a brief conversational exchange with him that we couldn't hear,
934
00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:47.679
and then we walked on like nothing had happened. We
935
00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:50.039
didn't even really discuss it as a group. Now that
936
00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:52.199
I think of it, it was just such a strange,
937
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:55.559
strange thing. And so we get to the town and
938
00:48:55.599 --> 00:48:57.599
we're left off in our small groups, and I was
939
00:48:57.639 --> 00:49:00.239
with my friend Tom and my friend Brett, and we
940
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:04.840
kind of were all huddled together, super close, completely terrified
941
00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:08.239
to be left alone here in the woods. And I
942
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:12.800
just remember just hearing strange sounds, hearing like footsteps walk
943
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:15.280
around us. That could have been our professor. Maybe not.
944
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:17.800
To this day, I would think that he would not
945
00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:20.840
mess with the group because he was really just a
946
00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:24.119
real special guy, and his focus was making sure that
947
00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:28.360
we got the real kind of experience, whatever that experience was,
948
00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:30.880
even if it was an experience of nothing happening. He
949
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:34.960
wanted us to have that experience. Heard a couple strange voices,
950
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:38.280
and one of the strangest things we heard was a
951
00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:42.719
sound of screen door opening like this nice loud screech
952
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:46.159
and then a bang. And there are no doors in
953
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:48.840
Dudley Town. There are no nearby doors, and this was
954
00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:49.519
right by it.
955
00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:51.599
There's no doors in Dudley Town.
956
00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:54.480
It's just foundations. It's just the foundations of that should
957
00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:56.840
be the name of your next book. Oh my god,
958
00:49:57.000 --> 00:50:00.719
no doors in Dudley Town. I'll dedicate it to you.
959
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:02.320
Thanks man. So it's just foundations.
960
00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:07.559
There's no structures or some foundations, some grumbling chimneys, stone walls,
961
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:11.440
no structures. Yeah, And it was just a very tense
962
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:13.280
ten minutes, that's all we were sitting out there for.
963
00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:17.039
But it felt like a lifetime. So it terrified you, absolutely,
964
00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:19.119
it terrified me. But it was also exhilarating.
965
00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:23.199
It must have been more exhilarating than terrifying because you're
966
00:50:23.199 --> 00:50:23.719
back in it.
967
00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:28.360
Yeah, And that's the thing I mean, since that time,
968
00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:31.480
I had wanted to go out to more so called
969
00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:34.639
haunted places, and I did in a very casual capacity
970
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:37.840
that teenagers go out to these spooky places, and went
971
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:40.239
to some spooky places when I was in college, but
972
00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:45.719
I never really considered seriously investigating and researching until I
973
00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:46.480
started don't.
974
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Turn around And what made you decide to do it?
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I was inspired by the people on my show My Guests,
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I found incredibly inspiring, and they talked about investigating in
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the paranormal in general in such a humanizing and realistic
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way that didn't make it feel like this was something
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that was unattainable or something that was only done by
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people on TV. It made it seem like something that real,
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everyday people could seek out in a meaningful way, and
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that was enough inspiration for me to give it a shot.
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Here I am four or five years later in deep
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and with no intention of turning around.
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Ah, I see what she did there, Don't turn it Around?
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Love it? Okay. So so far we've covered Don't Turn Around,
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which is a podcast. You still do Don't turn Around?
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Oh yeah, yeah, So episodes of Don't Turn Around still
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drop every other week. And then I've started a new
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series that I call it came from the Web.
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Damn it. You keep doing this to me. Hey, tell
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me about your other series. It came from the web.
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So it came from the web is essentially a Don't
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turn Around spin off. It is. It's a live show
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that I record every other week where I find various
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stories from the Internet and I discuss them live on
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air and then produce that as a video and audio podcast.
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Do you do it by yourself?
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I do currently do it by myself? Yes?
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How come?
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Because I'm a lone wolf baby, Because it's way more convenient.
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It's a lot easier when it's only my schedule that
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I have to contend with, because things come up, and
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I need to be as flexible as possible.
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That makes sense. What kind of stories do you cover
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on it came from the web?
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Oh, my goodness, any anywhere, from UFOs flying over Miami,
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beached Lake, monsters in Florida, to haunted dolls for sale
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on eBay. It's a good classic ghost stories, ghost videos.
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So it's a it's video stuff. I share some of
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my own investigation findings to start the show off again.
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Kind of the tenon of the show is that strange
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stuff happens every day to everyday people, and every day
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people are putting these stories up on the Internet, and
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so I want to contribute to that in a way
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that I'm contributing stuff that I believe to be authent
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because it's also a pursuit of trying to find stuff
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that I think is authentic, or at least wanting to believe.
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Like Fox Mulder, I want to believe. And that's kind
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of the underlying theme that let's suspend our disbelief for
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a little while. Let's check out some crazy stories from
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the Internet.
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How long has it came from the web? Been going?
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And this is.
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Audio only, this is audio and video. Audio and video, Okay,
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so both Don't Turn Around? And it came from the
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web or both audio and video.
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Oh don't turn Around?
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His video as well, yep, started doing video. I believe
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it was last year.
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Okay, so it.
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Came from the web, began in the spring. I believe
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it was probably May, I think of last year of
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this year, so mate of this year yep.
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Okay. Oh wow. So where can people find Don't Turn Around?
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Are Are they all available in roughly the same place?
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Yes? So, I mean anywhere you get your podcasts, you'll
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find this stuff. My hub of podcasts is on my website.
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So if you just go to phil Rossi Media ste Videos,
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click the podcast link and then you'll have access to
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what I'm doing podcast wise.
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This is just more of your empire.
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More of my empire. That's right.
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I love it. How often do you get Philip on
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these things? Never? Or just is she only part of
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old Spirits?
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So I did actually have her as a guest on
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Don't Turn Around. I've actually had both Tea and Pip
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as guests on Don't Turn Around and was just thinking
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this past weekend it's about time that I have them
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on again. I have them on individually. It's kind of fun.
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To split them up and see if their story is matched.
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I don't actually do that. I don't try to see
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if their stories match, but I do really enjoy talking
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about their experiences. From the don't turn around perspective, is
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kind of neat because when we're in it, we're in
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it together and it's just share experience, and we have
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these shared experiences, but also everyone is having their own
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experience as well, and so it's really neat to kind
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of peel back those layers a little bit and just
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kind of get under the hood and see what is
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going on.
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So all of those are available at phil Rossimedia Studios
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dot com.
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That's right.
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What if somebody wanted to listen to Crescent.
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So Phil Rossimedia Studios dot com. They can find Crescent
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through there and Harvey and Harvey all the goods, and
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they can find their print versions on Amazon by going
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Phil Roussimedia Studios dot com.
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You have click theres or whatever. Okay, there are clickthroughs, yep, fantastic.
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Where is Phil Rossi on social media? What if somebody
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wanted to find you there?
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The best place to find me. The place where I'm
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most active is on Instagram, and it's at don't turn
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Around podcast also on Facebook.
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Phil Rossi not the Phil Rossi or uh Phil Rossi,
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or I'm.
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I think it might actually be the Phil Rossi.
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Do you know why? It's because you're the Phil Rossi?
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Yes?
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Phil? Is there anything we didn't talk about or I
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didn't ask you about specifically that you wanted to talk
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about today? Like did we cover the big bits?
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You slam dunk, the baby, you got it?
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The man ladies and gentlemen.
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Hey, I try, I try. You make it easy?
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Oh oh my god, I lost power. I had to
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start this over like, oh yeah, you're just like no, no,
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everything's all.
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Good, bro, that's me.
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Man.
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Life happens.
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Boy does it well? Phil? We already told everybody where
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to fund you and all of your shows and all
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of your content. I highly recommend these audio books, these audiobooks,
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if you will. One of the things that I loved
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about pardiobooks dot Com and podcast Pickle was the bite sized,
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digestible nature. I don't know, there's some podcasts out there that,
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for whatever goddamn reason, are three and a half hours long.
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Yeah, that's not bite size. That's a big bite.
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That's not bite size at all. And boy, if there
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was somebody who edited in those massive empires. They could
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really cut out a lot of garbage.
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They certainly could, but they don't.
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But all of these stories and these books and these
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podcasts that are released, or the books that are released
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some podcast form, those do cut out all the stuff,
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all the garbage. It's just one hundred percent entertainment. I
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highly recommend Crescent, Harvey Eden, I highly recommend all of those.
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It is so fun. It's all science fiction, and there's
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crazy shit going on, and it's just really good writing.
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I'm blown away that you feel the need to rewrite Crescent,
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but you get to do whatever you want to do
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with your own art, so thank you. I shall not complain.
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I will just sit here and be confused. That's fine
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that you found it necessary.
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I'm good with that.
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Well shit, Phil Rossi again on the Mount Rushmore of podcasting,
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one of the greats. It is always an honor when
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I get to interact with you, and this was no different.
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Phil Rossi, thank you so much for taking the time
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out of your busy day and your hectick rewriting your
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00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:54.159
own amazing works and hunting down spirits and ghosts, schedule
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00:57:54.440 --> 00:57:56.519
to hang out and let us get to know even
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more about you on Fascination Street Man. I really appreciate.
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00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:02.559
It, my pleasure. Thank you so much. It's a great show.
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You are a great host, and the honor is all mine.
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And with that, lie ladies and gentlemen, we are out
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of here. Thanks Phil, I appreciate you so much. Tell
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Ta and Philip, I said, what's that?
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I will absolutely, I will tell them.
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I appreciate you, buddy, Thank you so much. I'm always
1134
00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:22.639
in love with you and always in awe you bring it.
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Always love you man, Thank you, thank you so much. Man.
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Hello, everybody. Absolutely take it into.
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Your homes you bet later.
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Opening music is the song fsp theme, written, performed and
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provided by Ambush Vin. Closing music is from the song
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say My Name off the twenty twenty one album Underdog Anthems,
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