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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome into the Fantasy pros Football Podcast, and my name is Kyle Yates and I am your host. I'm joined as always by Mike Taglier Tags. How's it going, buddy, It's good. I mean, I'm excited. It's it's Tuesday that we're recording. This is probably gonna come out at night, but I'm excited. Man. The NFL Draft is now two days away and we're finally at the point where all these rumors are starting to fly around about trades and whatnot. So um, yeah, it's very stressful because you know, I'm working on my final mock draft. I am about six thousand words into it right now, and I just know that a trade is going to happen, and like, let's say the Browns trade for Trent Williams and that number ten overall pick changes, and then it literally changes the entire mock draft in ruins my life. I've guaranteed by the time you'll be hovering over clicking publish and that will the trade will come through. I guarantee I'm sending it. I'm sending it up. That's happening. Well. Hey, we're joined by JJ zachor Reese and he can be found on Twitter at Late Round QB. He's the editor in chief at fan Duel JJ. How's it going? But first I gotta ask you a really important question here, man, the Chargers dropped their uniforms, their new unis today. What do we think about them? I saw that, Yeah, they're they're looking good. I think that there are generally a lot of strong, almost unnecessary takes about uniforms on uniform Twitter. But I actually I think this is one one of those those uniform drops where you can feel, you can feel pretty strongly about them. I love the powder Blues Man uniform. Twitter is one of my favorite places. Now I'm just kidding that's not true. Well, hey guys, we are doing a NFL Draft preview episode. NFL Draft is right around the corner, man, I'm so excited for this. So what we're gonna do today is we're gonna be focusing primarily on the first two rounds. These players who are slated to go there kind of purchaed in there. We're going to be focusing on some running backs, wide receivers. We'll talk about some offensive tackles, defensive prospects. We're really just going to go through in a roundtable format and go through these players. So before we get into that, though, I want to remind you all about this contest we've got going on right now. Thanks to Pristine Auction, we're giving away assigned Alvin kamaras Saints helmet. Seriously, this thing is so cool. All you have to do is go to Apple Podcasts or Stitcher and leave a review, then take a screenshot of that review and email it to contest at Fantasypros dot com. For more details, head over to Fantasypros dot com slash contest. Again, a huge thank you to Pristine Auction from making that possible, and I want to make sure that we thank them for sponsoring today's podcast. Pristine Auction is the place to go to get your signed, authentic memorabilia of your favorite players at unbelievably affordable prices. It's quick and free to register, so head over to pristine Auction dot com. That's Priistian Auction dot com and when registering, enter in Fantasy Pros all one word in the registration code field to receive a five dollar credit for your first order. Again, that's pristine auction dot com. To start building your dream man cave today, JJ since you're our guest. We're just going to kick this around the room. We'll talk about what these players you can do from a fantasy perspective. Who they remind us of. Who's the first player that you want to bring up here? Yeah, so I guess let's let's talk about Jonathan Taylor. And I think that he's going to be a little bit more polarizing than we think post draft. And I say that because the fantasy community loves him, including myself, but I'm afraid that the NFL and organizations don't love him as much. And obviously draft capital being a huge deal for running backs and running back production, you know, it's a little bit worrisome. I think that you're going to see some dissonance when it comes to someone who might be a first round pick in DeAndre Swift and if Jonathan Taylor, if in when he drops to the mid second or early second, what have you, You're gonna have a lot of discussion about who that one O one is. In rookie drafts, consensus was, but to me, Jonathan Taylor is the most complete back in this class. He's at least the most intriguing in terms of upside. You know, if you look at you know, the way that I generally, and this is going to be consistent throughout our conversation today, But the way that I generally look at running backs and wide receivers, especially what I'm prospecting is I'm going from a data first lens, So I have prospect models, my running back model, my wide receiver model, and I look at comps from that perspective, and then I watch these guys to make sure that the comps sort of makes sense. So I'll have a narrowed down list, a consideration set of maybe five to ten guys, and then from there that's all analytically based, and then from there I'll see who matches up best for me Jonathan Taylor analytically, and while watching I think he matches up best with Ezekiel Elliott. I think that's the kind of prospect that we're looking at. The difference, obviously, is the fact that you know, I don't think NFL teams see it that way. I think that there are question marks via NFL teams about his pass blocking or pass catching. Where Zeke also had the benefit of coming from a different type of program that doesn't have the running backs that have sort of failed at the NFL level and in that run heavy scheme. So I think that, you know, just just given sort of the the secondary pieces around the profiles of those guys, that's sort of what elevated Zeke a little bit. Zeke was sort of a more of a superstar, if you will. But I think Jonathan Taylor does have the potential to make that kind of impact. Sure, so we saw Zeke go what number four overall a few years ago, where are we kind of projecting Jonathan Taylor to go at this point? To me, I think he's gonna end up going in the in the early to mid second. I don't think he's gonna be a first round pick, even though again I do think that he's the top running back in this class. But again, I mean, you can there's a big difference too, between the way that we look at these guys from a fantasy perspective and the way that we look at them from a real football perspective. And if if if teams are viewing Jonathan Taylor as as having let's say average or even below average chops at pass blocking or receiving, that's not something that translates well to to today's NFL and that's where you can see instances where someone like Clyde Edwards Silaire just jumps him and is the better prospect in terms of how these teams are viewing that player. And I can't really fault that because it makes a lot of sense. So I think that because of them, because of that perception, he's gonna drop a little bit more than a lot of us who like Jonathan Taylor, would like shirt tags with Jonathan Taylor. If he was coming out in nineteen eighty five, would he be the number one overall pick? Absolutely? Like he reminds me of Nick Chubb. That's the type of player I think. And Chubb was someone that wasn't expected to catch very many passes. He did well his rookie year, and then they kind of abandoned him in that role last year use Kareem Hunt. That's kind of how I view him as a player. In my mock draft that I'm gonna be publishing probably later today, I'm gonna make him at the top of the second round. I have the Lions trading out of the three spot into six with the Chargers, and the Chargers giving up their second round pick this year in order to do that. And with that pick, I think the Lions take him. I think he would hair well with someone like carry On Johnson, who it seems like they have durability concerns And I was one that wanted to write that off to say, you know, it's just some bad luck. But at the same time, every year it's like they had the Garrett Blunt, they had c J. Anderson and the last year Bo Scarborough, so they always have that power back that they want to use and carry On just hasn't been able to stay healthy. So Joona and Taylor to the Lions. What would you How would you guys feel about that as a landing spot because I don't I don't think it would be great because I think carry On's I don't want to say a more well rounded back because Jonathan Taylor is better than carry On, but I think it would be a messy time share. Yeah, JJ, what are your thoughts there? Yeah? I would agree. I mean I'm in the same boat as you though tags in terms of carry On sort of being that satellite back plus moving forward where he can have you know, the seven carry games, but be involved heavily in the passing game, not unlike what we probably are going to see moving forward from like an Austin Eckler, but he's not as good as a receiver obviously as Austin Nickler. So yeah, I mean I think that they've been a sneaky team that's going to take an early round back for a while. I mean, it makes makes sense if it's Jonathan Taylor, it just becomes an absolute disaster because not only that, but when you have when you have weapons in that offense that can score touchdowns, whether it's Kenny Galladay, Marvin Jones, etc. All that does is less than the opportunity whether when when you are close to the goal line for one of those backs to score. That's always been sort of a downside for carry On Johnson to begin with. But it's not like it's the best situation. It's not like it's a New Orleans Saint situation where they could really carry two backs in terms of fantasy potential and success. So if he does go there, I think it's you know, it makes sense from a real football perspective, but it would be pretty tough from a fantasy one. Yeah. That was the issue that I had with carry On last year was that that offense wasn't going to be a high powered scoring offense, so the opportunities for carry On to actually score touchdowns, which are so crucial to the running back position in fantasy football, we're minimal. Now, you it comes down to the question of it, does Jonathan Taylor elevate that offense to the point where they are suddenly, you know, a top ten offense in the NFL. I just don't. I don't know if I see that happening, But I agree with you, JJ, I think it makes a ton of sense from a real football perspective. All right, tags, who do you want to bring up here? Let's stick with the running back position. Just work our way through those guys real quick. Clyde Edwards, Hilaire, it's been I made it no secret that I love this guy. I had him as my RB one just because. And it's not to say that he's a better runner than Jonathan Taylor, but he I think he's best suited for today's NFL in terms of how teams want to use their running backs in the passing game. Like we're seeing now more than ever, running backs get a hundred targets in the passing game. And Yates and I have talked a lot about Edwards Hilaire saying that he's like a Ray Rice clone somebody like that. And you could even compare him too someone like Doug Martin, but a better pass catcher. And Doug Martin had a couple of fourteen hundred yard rushing seasons. So I mean it speaks highly as to how I feel. And you know, I go back to the statement that I made in my profile and Edwards Hilaire saying that he is like when people say that running backs don't matter, I understand what they're trying to say, but when you watch Edwards Hilaire, he absolutely matters. I do believe that he matters to a team success. Joe Burrow said he's the best athlete he's ever played with, and that's that's high praise. I think he fits today's NFL extremely well. And I think that the Bucks are a team to watch in the second round to take him, because I mean, we haven't heard any whispers about them tracking any running backs in free agency. They only have Ronald Jones and Dariagambawally and the team and though let's be real, those are not your franchise guys. Ronald Jones, I like him as a player, but I don't think that he's a a twenty touch per game workhorse. He's not. He doesn't excel in the passing game. And we know that Tom Brady loves using his running backs like his wheel rounds to the running backs in the passing game are a thing of beauty. Like legitimately, it's chemistry in the making, and Edwards Hilaire would fit that role extremely well on a win now team. He's played on the big stage, he knows it. Also. He's definitely the player that I'm looking forward to seeing where he lands JJF. Edwards Hilaire lands in Tampa Bay. Let's look at it from a dynasty perspective. Is he a top five dynasty pick at that point? Does he fall a little bit outside of that? I think he's a top five dynasty pick. Yeah, you know, I think that the way I see things right now, from just a prospect standpoint, without looking at landing spot and without looking at draft capital, I think that you can make the case that there are five ish, you know, backs that have that upside and that potential in this class, and Cech is definitely one of them. He's probably one of my biggest risers since the whole process started. And if he goes to a place like Tampa Bay, I wouldn't be shocked. And maybe this is a hot take, but I wouldn't be shocked if he ends up being the one on one in a lot of drafts, because it's that good of a landing spot. He's a really strong player. What's nice about a good pass catcher like him? And by the way, how insane is it that he's playing on the best college football team in the country and he has the third best final season reception share in this entire class, Like what does that tell you? So he's got a great pass catching floor, which is great obviously for fantasy purposes. So I wouldn't be shocked if he goes to a place like Tampa Bay, if they spend decent draft capital would get him. I wouldn't be shocked if we end up seeing him be the one on one in a lot of rookie drafts. It wouldn't be surprising. I think he definitely has a talent, and man, he's so much fun to watch. You put on his tape and he's just so much fun to watch. So I definitely definitely see that I'm going to bring up a player here and I'm going to start on at the top of the draft. I think he's the number one overall player in this classroom. Me I'm gonna go to the defensive side of the ball. It's Chase Young, edge rusher out of Ohio State. This guy is just everything you want in a pass rusher. I mean, you talk about Nick Bosa last year in the impact that he had to a defense. Chase Young can bring that same level of impact. He is a force off in the run game, force in the pass game. I mean, he just he can get after the quarterback. You look at some of his stats, even though he were suspended. I think two games this past season still broke Ohio State single season sack record, which is just it's incredible what he was able to do. So a team is going to take him super high right now. That's kind of projected to be the Washington Redskins. Wouldn't be surprised to see that pick happen. And if he does, he's walking into a loaded defensive line. You know, talking about former first round picks there at tags. I know that you're a fan of Chase Young. What do you have to add to this, what kind of player is he? I mean, I like him, and people are talking about him like he's like he's a can't miss generational player. I don't. I don't know if I would say that I liked Bosa last year better than I do Chase Young this year. And I mean that's not a slight because Bosa was someone I really loved and felt like he should have been the number one pick. I still stand by that, And it's it's weird to me because why are the Redskins so we're hearing it today. I don't know if you guys have heard the rumors that the Redskins are fielding offers. They're not like necessarily like absolutely trading out of that spot, but they're listening to offers, is what they said. Why would they do that, because, like I thought, Okay, if they're gonna trade back, they're gonna tell the team that's trying to come to them that they need to acquire the number three pick from the Lions because they wouldn't want to lose out on Chase Young. Is there something here that they're that we're missing that they maybe they're they're rethinking this whole Chase Young thing. I really thought that if if this draft process was normal, they may have been considering too a number two overall because Dwayne Haskins, Like, think about it, we have a new coaching staff in there. Dwayne Haskins didn't show up, you know, in his rookie year like I think some hoped him. We all knew that he was a developmental prospect, but we heard them talking to quarterbacks and TWA was there and Tank for Tua was a real thing just a couple months ago. What are you guys reading into this whole thing about the Redskins potentially treading out of that number two pick, and do you think it has anything to do with Chase Young. I think I think it's a real thing if they identify that, Okay, we are officially moving Trent Williams and we need a left tackle. So I think that if they were to move out, it wouldn't be out of the range of taking one of those top tier tackles. So I think that's the only thing where if they can get a king's ransom for that number two overall pick. Again, their defensive line is pretty stacked, Like I think they can feel, yes, Chase him would put them over the top, and he'd be an amazing addition. But if they can add a you know, let's say number six. You know, let's just say the Chargers move up to two. I'm just throwing out a team, and so they're still in that range to be able to take a top tier tackle, but they add a second round pick where they can then add another corner. You know. I think that would be smart team building, because again, they don't have a second round pick because of moving up for Monta Sweat last year, So that would be the only situation and where I can see them evaluating it, go, Okay, we can plug several holes here rather than just taking the best player available. I don't know if that's a smart way to do it, but I can see it happening. Yeah, I mean, I think it's about flexibility in the end. It's it's no different than when we're playing fantasy football and we're saying, yeah, we like this player that we have on our roster. Let's just assume that young would be on their roster. But we we like this player on our roster, but we're very open to trading him if if the price is right, and we know that there could be teams that are very, very willing to trade up into that two spot just given who would be there. Yeah for sure. All right, well JJ, you're up next year in that roundtable discussion. Who you bringing up? Let's go a wide receiver. Let's bring up Jerry Judy to start. I have Judy as my wide receiver and one in this class. I think that the easy comp both analytically and through through watching him as Stefan Diggs. That's really the kind of player that we're looking at here. What's really impressive for me from a data perspective. So my wide receiver model looks at three main production metch ricks, one of them being receptions per game, but in the other one another one being yards per team pass attempt, which is the most predictive of the three, and then the other one being touchdown share. I think receptions per game and yards per team pass attempt kind of go in unison really well. Because one of them sort of yards per team pass attempt sort of looks at efficiency within their offense slash. It does benefit more of those deep ball players and high A dot players, But then when you add it in conjunction with receptions per game, it really just gives you a better profile. Good example of that is like Brian Edwards, who is fine from a receptions per game standpoint, but is the yards pertein pass attempt wasn't very good because he caught so many screen passes. But Jerry Judy, the fact that I also have a teammates score in my model, and the fact that he's working with potentially two first round wide receivers on his team this past year and he did what he did from a stats score standpoint in general, is really it's alarming in the best way possible. So I think Judy, you know, I think that there's a little bit of concern I guess about size and BMI if you want to be a little bit nitpicky. But I think he's a great route runner and he's going to make a team feel very good about drafting him when it's all said and done. I think that, you know, I understand the Ceedee Lamb arguments for sure, and I don't fault anyone for having Lamb number one. I think that he has really really interesting upside. Part of the reason that I gave Judy the one spot as sort of a tie breaker is that I had a hard time comping Lamb very confidently because he's a very unique player. So that's that's where I'm at with Jerry Judy. I think he's the wide receiver one in this class. Tags. We're gonna hear that Stefan Diggs and I know that that's a comparison that you've made two and I agree with it. People are going to hear that from a fantasy football perspective and say, well, Stefan Diggs has been good, but he hasn't been that top tier player. What do you say to those kind of fears. No, it's it's it's funny because I actually thought before recording the show, I wanted to address that because Stefon Diggs has been fantastic, but he's never seen the targets needed to be a true number one wide receiver in fantasy football and Jerry Judy. The difference here is that he's going to be drafted like one. Stefan Diggs. As you guys know, he was a late round pick and the Vikings run first team. Any team that drafts Jerry Judy in this draft is going to be using him as their target hog. I mean, you look at the teams that are potentially going to look at him to be drafted. I mean you could say the Jaguars. I don't think that's the case. I think that the Jets are the first team that you consider the Raiders. The Raiders make so much sense because they're a team. You think about what they did with Antonio Brown, trying to bring him in like they were willing to take a chance because they knew the upside with him right, and obviously that didn't work out. They have their slot guy and Hunter renfro so Ceedee Lamb the versatility that he offers in moving into the slot. Judy can do that too, But Judy is more of the perimeter player that I think. You know, he's played against top tier competition, running translates. He could do a lot of things that Antonio Brown can do because Stefan Diggs, I mean, that's the model of his game, right. We have Antonio Brown as a comp for guys like Stefan Diggs, Guys like Calvin Ridley. They may not be the biggest players, but they generate so much separation that their quarterback absolutely loves them. So I love Jerry Judy and I've said this for a long time, as that you know depending on your team need. In Dynasty, Jerry Judy's my one on one pick in Dynasty drafts. Yeah, all right, so JJ, let's say that Jerry Judy lands with the Las Vegas Raiders there at twelve, where are we taking? Is he the one on one or are we moving him down the board a little bit? Yeah? I mean I think generally the way that I look at rookie drafts is it depends on team need. I know it's a cop out answer, but I do think it's important. You know, in a lot of leagues and a lot of like team construction. From from a team construction perspective, I generally am like sort of punting running back or sort of punting wide receiver, just given where I'm at with my particular team. So I can make the case then and from that standpoint that Jerry Judy would be the one on one. But you know, I'm with Tags. I think he could be a very special player. Awesome, All right? Tags? Who do you got up here next? All right? So I mean we'll stick a wide receiver. And I want to talk to you guys, and this is I want your guys opinion, because we haven't talked about this player so much in the show is because we've done our mock drafts and he's not always going in the top two rounds. But Donovan People's Jones out of Michigan played a lot of slot in Michigan. Beviously, it's not a program where you're going to go and put up like crazy numbers. And that's why a lot of people and the models they come up when they talk about production metrics and and I don't think that applies to certain players, and I think Donovan People's Jones if you go in through and actually sit down and watch the tape. I remember I was sitting there watching him, and I kept sending yates like like basically links to the video I was watching and saying, this just should have been a touchdown here if his quarterback legitimately throws it in the right zip code. And then when he goes to the NFL combine, you can see he covers so much ground, crazy, long arms, big hands, vertical is insane, like top ten all time. There's I don't know what there's not to like about Donovan People's Jones outside of the fact that he played for a school that he just didn't get as much opportunity, and well the opportunity that he did get wasn't even great. But I believe he's a player that you throw it in the general zip code of him, and I think he comes down with it. I believe he's and I know people are gonna hate this comp but a Juju Smith Schuster type player where he's a little bit more go up and get it, whereas Juju is a little bit bigger in terms of like the target size you're looking at. But that's the type of player he reminds me of that. I think he translate into the slot in the NFL. I think he can play on the perimeter if you need him too, but ideally you haven't planned a slot to start and kind of work him that way. But what do you guys think? JJ, I'm really curious to hear you about your take on Donovan People's jones, being that you are, you are big into those metrics and like you know, the models that you create. But what did you see when you watched him? Yeah, super physical receiver and that's intriguing in this class for sure. I mean, the thing that we're seeing with wide receivers over the last half decade, let's say is we're just seeing that shift where these guys have very specific jobs that they do well, and I actually see him as someone who can be pretty versatile at the at the next level of things come together. My one call out again you mentioned that the analytical stuff. My one call out is, like I said earlier, the most predictive metric in my model is yards per team pass attempt, and he was pretty below average there. Not obviously you know an interesting or the reason that that metric in particular is kind of interesting is because it's it's capturing both official see in market share kind of all into one, because you're seeing how well this guy is doing with each pass attempt that his team is generating. So he was a little bit below average. There are pretty below average there, I should say, But I do think that he has an intriguing enough profile altogether to warrant, you know, some upside and really if you look at at rookie adp you can get them really really cheap. So if you you know, what we're going to also see in this draft is in draft capital obviously very very important. What we're gonna see in this draft is at the wide receiver class is as deep as it is, we're going to see so many Day two picks, and we're going to probably be a little bit have a little bit of anchoring bias towards the guys that we liked going into the draft, especially with the fantasy community likes. So you know, a leaviscos Chenault if he ends up going in the second round or if Jalen Rager doesn't go in the first round, the guys that the fantasy community loves, they're going to be basically stuck in the same ADP range they're currently in. But some of the other guys, like People's Jones, I mean, you're gonna see these guys that could end up being Day two picks if a team really likes them, and then you won't see the reaction be strong enough from an ADP perspective and from them a market perspective, and those guys become really really nice values. Then in rookie drafts, yeah, Donovan People's Jones, a former five star recruit coming out highly touted, goes to Michigan and then just does not have great production all three or four seasons. I can't remember if he was a senior underclassman, but you know, just doesn't have great production, but again, a lot can be attributed to the way Shape Patterson played. You know, people want to try to make Shape Patterson a fifth round NFL draft pick. You know, I'm saying, no, he's going undrafted, like this guy shouldn't be, just because of the play that we saw there. And you know, you have an extremely talented wide receiver corps there at Michigan and you can't do anything with it. What's to say that you're going to do something at the next level. So Donovan Peoples Jones needed to show up to the combine and prove that he was a top tier athlete, and he did just that. You know, Tags, you mentioned it that this guy jumped out of the gym. You know, his forty was amazing everything, And so you know, he's got the he's got the athletic profile. Now it's can he fall into the right place. I think he's one of those guys that we talk about landing spot. Landing Spot's huge for him. All right, Tags, I want to take a quick break here before I get to my player, Tags. What do we have going on Thursday night for the first round of the NFL Draft. Oh man, I'm so excited. This is something that I kind of always wish was a thing, and we're kind of making it a thing. We're doing a live broadcast of the NFL Draft. As you guys know, everybody's kind of stuck in quarantine and everybody's gonna be watching everybody from their homes. So why not sit down with Yates and I and go through the entire first round of the NFL Draft. That's exactly what we're doing. We are it's gonna be a three or four hour stream, however long it takes. Yates are gonna be and I are gonna be sitting talking to you guys through analysis on every single pick, giving you comparisons to the players when they come off the board. You know, the guys that we're not going to be able to talk about today, but we're going to break it down what it means for dynasty, what it means for redraft because as JJ was just talking about, landing spot matters much more than people want to admit. And you know, if someone like DeAndre Swift does come off the board in the first round, let's hit that there's a surprise in Clyde Edwards. Hilaire go somewhere in the first round, we're going to be talking about that like right away immediate reactions, So make sure you guys go over to our YouTube channel YouTube dot com Forward Slash Fantasy Pros. We already have the link set up there, so it's gonna just have a countdown letting you know until when it begins. I'm sure you guys are gonna want to check that out. Yates and I are gonna be jabbing each other. We're gonna be jabbing picks, talking about everything. And you know, when you watch the NFL Draft, I think a lot of people that play fantasy wish they would talk a little bit more about certain players, and this is going to give us the ability to talk, you know, about those players as well as take some questions from everybody in the chat. For sure. I was just about to mention that we have that chat going too, so make sure that you guys. We'll be able to interact with you guys and in a way that you know. This is going to be the most watched event over the past couple of months because there's no other events going on, so this is gonna be huge, So make sure that you guys are checking it out. We'd love to interact with all of you. All right, My player that I'm gonna bring up here at the wide receiver position is Michael Pittman, Junior out of USC. He's someone who I really really like from a just a wide receiver, you know, fantasy perspective. This guy is six four, two hundred and twenty three pounds, ran a four or five two at the combine. I think, off the top of my head, just ran a lot faster than I thought he was going to. Was super quick in the three cone. He just brings everything to the table that I'm looking for from a wide receiver perspective, and I think that he's going to go a lot higher in the NFL Draft than people are predicting. I think he could be a back end of the first round wide receiver prospect. He's just that good. He's, you know, bring some yards after the catchability, has insane hands, contested catchability downfield, can track the ball down field. He just moves so fluidly for a player of his size, and of course you know the pedigree with his I think his dad playing in the NFL two for a long time. So you know, he's just someone who I'm really really excited about He compares for me to Courtland Sutton, and I think, you know, so many people wish they could go back to that rookie draft and draft court and Sutton because of his outlook. Michael Pittman Junior is going in like the second late second round of Dynasty rookie drafts right now, and it's an absolute steal. So tags, I know you've you've watched Michael Pittman Junior. What are your thoughts here, Well, I mean, if he goes in the first round, he'd better move up draft boards because if you're a wide receiver who's drafted in the first round, especially in this draft, this draft class, with these wide receivers, that team obviously needs you. If a team is taking a wide receiver, like let's say the Packers were to take Pittman at the end of the first I think people would move him up their board is quite a bit and he'd probably be a borderline first round pick and rookie drafts I have him falling to the end of the second round to the Seahawks. Actually, I believe that you know, Russell Wilson has asked for weapons, and I believe that at some point they're going to have to start giving them those. So if you have Pittman, DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett, that's a solid trio to try out there in three wide receiver sets. Pittman is someone to me, I feel like he's a complimentary receiver rather than a number one in an offense. I know he has the size you would want out of a number one. And if he lives up to that Courtland Sutton comparison, that would be massive, because Sutton, I mean the guy if you actually watch, Like his stats were mine, but if you actually watched, he overcame some bad quarterback play last year and did really really well. Uh JJ, were you ad on Pittman? What's an ideal landing spot for him? Let's say that for a dynasty and redraft perspective, where would you like to see Pittman land? I agree so much here with what was said about him going to Green Bay. Um. I think that that's a very realistic thing that could happen. I think Peter King actually in his mock draft he had Pittman going to the Packers in the first round. I love Michael Pittman. He's He's probably been the biggest riser for me throughout the process. When I first looked at him in my model, wasn't looking great, mostly because he had that late breakout age. He didn't have that much production until his final season. You really don't love to see guys who don't declare early going in the first round either. There's been a lot of studies done on that to show that that non early declares generally don't have good hit rates in the first round. But our sample is kind of small there too to begin with. But I think that I think that your right tags in that he's probably profiles from a from a mean perspective, an average of being more of a complimentary wide receiver. But I think he's one of the few players in this class who could be a true alpha and who could who could be um? You know, I think people will probably view like a te Higgins that way as well, But who could be that that true true number one guy with size that we see. That's why Courtland Sutton does make a lot of sense to me as a comp. The comp that came to me that was on my list, Again, I go analytical, and then I watched the guy. This is a high end comp and I understand that the name I'm about to drop is a strong name, but it's Brandon Marshall. And the main reason is you get the late breakout age. So analytically they look very very close and there's a lot of similarities there. But I think that that's where his ceiling could end up being. You know, it's not a comp. I generally try to keep my comps realistic. Just know that that's more of a ceiling comp than the realistic one for sure. And I think people are miss like people can hear that name and just think about later career Brandon Marshall rather than who he was. You know, in his prime, he was a really really good wide receiver. JJ, is it up to you? Sure? I'll keep things with Alabama. Let's go with Henry Ruggs and talk about Rugs because there's a lot a lot of back and forth, especially on Fantasy Twitter, about you know, Ruggs in his analytical profile, but obviously Ruggs is someone who's who's going to be a first round pick this week to me, in my model, Ruggs has a negative stats score, So stat score of zero is just completely average. He has a negative stat scorn. It's pretty far, it's it's not looking great for Henry Ruggs analytically. And if you look at first round wide receivers that have been drafted since two thousand and five with a negative stats score, literally none of them are hits, not one. Ted Gin is probably the best player of that group, but that's a small sample. You know, there's only nine wide receivers there. And I think that Ruggs has more of a completeness to his game than what analytics are going to show. And you can put a lot of context around his numbers in a way as well, just given the competition that he had in that offense, etc. So the way that I view Ruggs is more of a from an impact standpoint in the NFL, if you want to get production from him or if you if he has a productive career, is more in the Mike Wallace area as opposed to the Ted ginn area. And I think too, you know, Ruggs is one of the we get these maybe once or twice every draft season, but Ruggs is one of those players that's likely going to help a real football team a lot more than a fantasy football team. We see that DeShawn Jackson throughout his entire career. Wasn't the best fantasy asset in the world, but he was arguably a top five most valuable wide receivers in football throughout his career, given how he can stretch the field and take defenders his way and open things up for his first teammates. We've seen, you know, his his quarterbacks before and after Deshan Jackson have completely different yards per attempt rates in a bad way without DeShawn Jackson. So I think that's why teams so intrigued with Rugs. I get it, but from a fantasy perspective, I likely won't have him as like my wide receiver three, even though you know he's going to have that first round capital. So JJ quick question here with with Henry Ruggs, and you said part of your model factors in teammates score, So what how did he when looking into that teammates score? Because again we're talking about context, right, And that's one of the things that I appreciate, appreciate about you is that you're bringing in that context because some people just stop the conversation with the looking at the hard numbers, right, So you know you look at that offense, Jerry Judy, DeVante Smith, Jalen Waddle, of course Nag Harris out of the backfield, like it was a loaded wide receivering core. So how did he factor in and how did that look after you factored in that teammate score. Yeah, so teammate score inherently is not going to be perfect because it's really hard for it to be perfect. But post draft it's gonna look even better because it'll factor in, like where Jerry Judy gets drafted. So you know, in general, it doesn't it doesn't bring a lot of signal within the model, meaning when you factor in teammate score, you know, it doesn't drastically change the general are squared within the model itself. But you know, I kind of view it similarly to the way that I view return yards, whether it's kick or punt return yards, in the way that if there's a player who gets drafted early ish and he doesn't have that great of an analytical profile, but you can point to things like he was a great kick returner, punt returner, or he and this is all analytical obviously he was he was a great kick returner, punt returner, or he had these teammates on his team that were also good pros. I mean, you can look at it last year with a J. Brown and DK Metcalf too. When you give it that context, almost subjectively, then you're at least opening your mind up to not being someone who just sees, oh he has a bad stat score, I'm avoiding him at all costs. I mean, there's a lot of players, especially last year's draft, where the production profiles were pretty bad at wide receiver, but we saw a lot of these guys hit because a lot of them were versatile. I mean, another good example that is Deonte Johnson, who didn't have the best production profile in the world, but then you look at all the contexts he actually was also competing with guys who were fringe pros as well. But then on top of that, he was a returner and not just sort of boost their profile overall. So when you give that context to those players, even though a guy like Henry Ruggs won't look great. You know, although, to be fair, once I put draft capital and he's gonna look fine in my model because he's gonna be a top twenty pick. But you know, I think that that it's important to have that context whenever you're looking at things from a numbers driven perspective. That's awesome. It's really good advice. All right, tags, who do you got here? All right, let's go over the defensive side of the ball. It's been a little bit so we've talked about those guys. I'm gonna go with Raekwon Davis out of Alabama. He's a guy that you know, we continually just see him kind of like written off. And I remember when I ranked, I put on my first big Board and I had him as a top twenty player in this draft, and h someone said that that was like extremely bold, and I didn't feel like it was. I mean, while watching him, I know Alabama's defense wasn't you know, the defense that we've seen, you know, the previous few years. But I don't think the guys around him were that good. Like Terrell Lewis I don't like very much at all. An Fonny Jennings is not good. Mac Wilson wasn't good last year, and I didn't like him last year. It's not an Alabama thing. It's just more about he's playing for Nick Saban. I believe he was a star and he was just surrounded by a bunch of mediocre guys, and you saw that on the tape. Raykwon Davis continually got double teamed, and I think that's what slowed production a little bit. But he's a very long player, gets his arms up, a good play recognition. He's built like a left tackle basically. I like Raykuon Davis a lot, and I think he's gonna be drafted a lot higher than than some others will because you have, you know, you have Derek Brown, who's going to be going inside the top ten, maybe top five from what we're hearing. You have Javon Kinlaw to South Carolina. He's going to be discussed in that area. But Rayquon Davis is a diamond in the rough basically right now, just because Alabama isn't you know, they're not treated like they have been in years past, because otherwise I think ray Kwon Davis would be a locked in first round pick. Yeah. I mean six seven, three and eleven pounds if I'm remembering correctly off the top of my head, Like, you don't make that human being very often, especially with the wingspan that he has. So I think he's one of those players that has like is dripping with upside and potential and always has been really has not produced over his career at Alabama. So that's a huge concern. Right. You rarely see guys not produce greatly in in college and then suddenly jumped to the NFL and they're you know, eight SAT guys or whatever. But he's a force against a run and so if he figures out how to become that pass rusher, I think sky's a limit with him. It's just going to be a matter of like, okay, where are teams comfortable taking the chance on him? 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So he's I think he's gonna go within the top ten picks of the NFL draft. He's going to be an exciting player for whatever team gets him. It's just going to be the question of, Okay, where exactly do you play him? Tags Where did you have him landing in your latest mock draft. Oh yeah, it's gonna be my final one. I put him to the Giants. I'm not going to move off of it. I know that people talk about Tristan Worth's an offensive lineman and whatnot, but if you can't stop anybody, it doesn't matter. You need to be able to play defense. I mean, that's bottom line. You look at the teams that go to the Super Bowl. Even the Chiefs defense played much better than I think people expected in the first year switching from the three four to the four three. The Giants don't have talent on defense. They really just don't. That's the easiest way for me to explain it. You need a centerpiece, and Isaiah Simmons can play a multitude of different roles, and I think it's hilarious that we heard today. There's an anonymous and I'm putting that in quotes. Anonymous scout said that he's the most overrated player in this draft. I saw that lots of stuff because it's just like, can you feed any more crap to anybody? Like, honest, if you said Isaiah Simmons is the number one player in this draft, I wouldn't fight you about it. He's phenomenal. He's just and I don't use this slightly like Julio Jones is probably my favorite football player of all time. He reminds me of like a Julio Jones on defense, Like that's what he looks like when I watch him. It's very rare that I say that I have fun watching a defensive prospect because I'm really offensive based, but I had fun watching Isaia Simmons play football. Yeah, on the defensive side of the ball. I try to aim for three games of tape minimum and then and unless I really really like a player, and then I'll just keep watching their film. And that was one of the things with Isaiah Simmons, was like I don't want to stop watching his film. I'll watch I'll watch more games JJ with Isaiah Simmons. I mean, where have you seen him going in mock drafts that you feel comfortable, you know, like tags mentioned to the New York Giants, where have you seen him kind of typically go yeah, I think that that makes the most sense. At four that's generally where I've where I've seen him drop off. Yeah for sure. All right, Well, JJ, I think it's back to you here, right, So let's go back to running backsh This guy's probably my favorite. I don't want to say he's just a deeper value kind of running back. I definitely have a type at the position and he sort of fits that. But it's Darrenton Evans out of app State. I see him as I mean, he's a very athletic guy. He ran a four four one I think at forty at the combine, got a lot of speed. My main comp for him is sort of a nihem Hines plus someone who I mean, he did it all at app State and Nihim Hines obviously did the same thing at at NC State, but Hinz, I think Evans has a little bit more upside as an early down runner, and he has the pass catching chops as well, and I just love the He's very, very dynamic with the ball in his hands. Um, so I'm very very intrigued. You know, he's someone if you have a team that has a solid enough early down runner um that you can pair a change of pace and a guy that's sort of the satellite back plus with I think he's that that's the kind of team that should be looking for a guy like Evans. I mean, realistically, that's sort of what you could have seen with Jacksonville if they weren't trying to trade Leonard Fournette. I think that he would make sense in a backfield with him. But that's sort of the player that I that I see with with Evans. He's he's he's got the receiving chops with a little bit of upside. One of the teams that I've identified for kind of that change of pace running back potentially, you know, for a future. You know, workhorse is Atlanta, Right, you bring in Todd Gurley, you move on from DeVonta Freeman, the guy's behind them. I don't feel great about Brian Hill Quadrea Allison. So I think with Todd Gurley, you just don't know his long term outlook. He's on a one year contract. Would we tags if we saw Darrenton Evans land in Atlanta to be that change of pace running back. You know where would we be looking at him from a dynasty perspective, Well, they've continually used a time share there even and you're going back to DeVonta Freeman's heyday. Tevin Coleman was mixed in getting you know, twelve touches per game, ten to twelve touches around that range. And I like Darrenton Evans a lot. I have actually I moved him up to my number seven running back in this draft. I like him quite a bit. And uh, the the worrisome part is that he teetering on that two hundred pound mark, and that's typically what NFL teams worry about. But the further that we get into the new NFL and what we're doing, like the passing NFL, and the reason that I like Clyde Edwards Hilaire so much is because they don't really worry as much about that weight because they're using the passing games so much. Darrenson Evans is extremely elusive in the open field. He can be a weapon in the right offense, and you could see a team like maybe even the Saints take a shot on him late in the draft because Alvin Kamara, we know his contract is up next year, and if the Saints don't plan on resigning him, they could slide someone in like Darrenton Evans into that spot. Do you see those as like similar type players or are they very very, very different? But tax is just talking about a role. Yeah, I think it's more the role that he would end up playing than anything else. It's always it's always hard to comp anyone to Oh, I'm not common him to Alvin Kmaria for sure. Of course, I'm definitely not definitely wouldn't think that you would, um, But yeah, I mean I think that's definitely the kind of role that we would see with Evans. I don't think that he's going to be you know, this two hundred and fifty carry back, but I think that he could be realistically one hundred and fifty carry back that has a lot of juice as a receiver. Yeah. And he's going pretty late in Dynasty rookie drafts right now too, so he's one of those guys. Landing spot of course is going to matter for where he goes, but he could be, you know, someone who shoots up draft boards. Once we know his landing spot. All right, tags you're up next year? Who are we talking about? I mean should we? I mean we probably should mention Joe Burrow. I mean the probably quarterback in the draft, the best player in the draft. I mean, I mean Joe Burrow. You're gonna hear his name called number one overall. And I don't think that the Bengals are treating it. I don't think they should treat it. I don't think it really matters what they get in return, because you're not going to find, you know, a record setting quarterback every single year. I mean, this is a team with Zach Taylor, he had an unfair shake basically in his first year as there as the head coach. And I think this offense can actually be pungent. Their defense needs some work, for sure, But but Joe Burrow is the guy. He looks poised to the thing I like most about him that you always worry about rookie quarterbacks coming into the NFL as if they get rattled under pressure, and Burrow has this calmness about his game that he doesn't. He doesn't worry abo getting hit. He like he feels the pressure and he moves with it, but he doesn't overreact to it. Someone like Justin Herbert, I see him overreacting to it at points and then throwing off weird angles and that's going to lead to problems. But I don't see it with Burrow. And I honestly, I actually think he's going to have redraft value in twenty twenty with the Bengals, And I'm sure JJ is gonna be talking about him on his podcast about late round quarterbacks and guys to stream, because I believe he's going to be a very guy that's gonna be picked up very very early in the year once they see what he can actually do with the receivers they have there in Cincinnati. Yeah, JJ, is Joe Burrow someone that we should be looking at for redraft leagues, which, let's preface this, like rookie quarterbacks for redraft leagues, like you typically stay away. Yeah, I mean, I think it's one of those situations where you can make you know, he's sort of in this giant bucket with a lot of guys that where you can make the case that they're going to be a lower end QB one sort of plug in play starter down the stretch, but you're not going You're not gonna have to spend anything to get someone like that, So he's going to enter the season most likely as a streamer. But I agree with Tags. I think he's a really really good prospect. Underrated mobility too, which could really help from a fantasy standpoint. My top comp for him right now is Tony Romo. I think that's sort of the type of player that we're looking at, where he can escape the pocket and do a lot there. And I'm with Tags too. I think the Bengals offense in general could be really really dynamic with some really underrated pass catchers on that team, So I'm excited to see what they do with Burrow. Yeah, I've said this that I don't necessarily think Burrow is the highest you know, ceiling quarterback in this class, but he is. He has the highest floor. Like if he busts, it will be one of the most talking things that I've ever seen, just because he was so good this last year and he brings all the traits that you look for when scouting a quarterback into the NFL. I don't know who would have a higher ceiling though, Like I mean, that's the thing is, like you Jordan Love as far as the ceiling, Jordan Lovewood he has the lowest floor though. I mean the thing is what Burrow His ceiling is already so high. I think he could say like he has the least amount of because he's already kind of of course sure like ready. But yeah, Jordan Love is that's interesting. I'm actually mocking him to the Saints at twenty four. I'm doing it. Jordan Love is a guy that I don't like very much. But if he falls into the right offense and gets tutored correctly, like doesn't it's not asked to start for a year or two. I think that's the best case scenario, and you kind of hope you have lightning in a bottle with him. How are you gonna do Taysom Hill? Like that tags the guy that has like one hundred career passes thirteen thirteen career pass attempts the future quarterback of the New Orleans Taysom Hill. Nope, I do not agree with that one. Okay, well, I'm gonna go with a quarterback who I really really hope has more than thirteen career pass attempts. That it's too a tongue of iloa out of Alabama. He's someone who I mean, I have him really close behind Joe Burrow from a tape perspective, From an evaluation perspective, this is a guy who does not flinch in the face of pressure. He has mobility, He's accurate at all levels of the field, throws with touch, timing, anticipation, everything that you look for from a college quarterback and projecting them to the NFL. The only thing, the only reason that he would bust or become someone who you know doesn't make it in the NFL is his injury history and injury concerns. Those are real. We can't you know, we can't ignore that. So to a tongue of Bloa is an extremely polished prospect and someone who I'm really really excited to see. I think if he was healthy and he didn't have that fractured hip injury, I was on another podcast this morning and I said that if we could reverse time, you know, we could go back and magically prevent that injury from happening. I think we would have more of a controversy here at the one oh one with Cincinnati as far as who they'd be taking between two and Joe Burrow. But this is the world that we're living in, and there's a possibility that we could see to a fall because of his injury concerns. JJ, do you actually see that happening at all in this NFL draft where TWA could fall behind let's say, pick number six. I think it's all smoke right now. I think there's enough. I mean, we've seen historically teams take such risks. I understand they're not always medical risks, but just such risks on quarterbacks early in drafts that I just I don't necessarily see it happening. Anything's possible, of course, um, but but I think that you know, this is a situation where if you do like you just said, if you remove the medicals, he's an incredibly polished prospect who would easily be in the number one overall conversation in a you know, if those medicals were a race. So I think because of that, teams are going to be willing to risk it absolutely. All right, Well, JJ, let's turn it right back around to you. Who you got up next? All right, let's talk about Justin Jefferson. Yeah. I think he's he's a very very fun prospect. PF charted him as only playing five snaps out wide last year, so so we're gonna see him play a slot role in the NFL. But um, you know, he's he came through with a really like I feel like his his draft stock really rose at the combine because of his quickness and his speed. And I think you can see that though too. I mean, but you're looking at again if you use that same sort of argument with cech where it's like, this guy had unbelievable production in the best offense and best team in college football, where there's going to be strong competition, and his numbers look unbelievable, you have something special there and something interesting there. I see him from a comp standpoint as sort of like a faster Cooper Cup, someone who can produce in that way as well. Realistically, though, his analytical comp is Nelson Agelore oh yis but which is not great. But I think to be fair, to be fair to that comp, I think a lot of what Nelson Ageloor struggled with in the NFL has been between the ears more than anything else. Of course, sure, so I don't think the comp is that like that insane or as insane as it as it feels like and looks you know. But I think from like a production standpoint in what he could do in the kind of role that he can play in offense at the NFL level is more in line with like a Cooper Cup. And I think some people are going to criticize Jefferson and say, well, he was playing with Burrow and obviously Jamar Chase is there, and they had a very talented unit. But I think that that's one of those things that I go back to at Jefferson and Burrow and those guys, is that when you get special players on both both the quarterback end wide receiver, that's when records happen. And that's what happened at LSU this past year. So Jefferson should not be docked for that. For playing with Burrow, he took care of his job. He was the best receiver that he basically he had the most production in terms of who he was throwing too. I love Jefferson. I thought he would fall to the Saints before the combine, and I thought the Saints would be a perfect landing spot for that, like big old Marcus Colston role. But after that combine, I don't think he's falling there, And it seems like the Eagles or the team that is going to land him, which makes sense for the Nelson Agilo role that is vacated if he is there. So let's say that he does go to the Eagles, JJ were do you think he has redraft appeal or is it more just about dynasty. I do think he has some redraft appeal. The weird thing with the Eagles, as we know, they run a lot of twelve personnel, which which doesn't I mean, they're going to have to shift to more of the way that they ran things when they won the Super Bowl. I do think that part of the twelve personnel that we and what they've done the last couple of years has been out of like necessity almost because they've they've lost so many wide receivers to injuries and whatnot. So I think they'd have to change things up because obviously slot receivers in that type of formation aren't going to be able to do as much. But if you're going to spend at justin Jefferson, we're going to see a lot more eleven and I think that just given that offense, and I mean he could easily be a one hundred and twenty target guy. His rookie year, especially if Alshan Jeffery gets hurt as well, which was inevitable. Yes he will right, all right, tags, who do you got here? All right? Yeah, I'll just say that. I mean, I want to mention Andrew Thomas is the best left tackle in this in this class. I do believe that. I believe he's the most pro ready and if the Browns don't make a trade for Trent Williams, I believe that Andrew Thomas is the pick at ten if he lasts there. I think this is one of those things where people continually look for upside and McKay Beckton and all these guys and Tristan Worth's and at some point teams stepped back and say, yes, these guys are crazy athletes and they have tremendous upside, but we want a guy that's going to come in and play right now. These teams neat players right now. And Andrew Thomas, I mean, he's just he's ready to play left tackle in the NFL. Yeah, it's an important point that you bring up their tags, especially because of all the uncertainty with are they going to have training camp? Are they going to have all the you know, these different activities throughout the offseason. You need someone who can come in and play right away, especially for an offense like Cleveland. And Andrew Thomas is a force against the run, and that's what they want to be doing there, what they want to be building up. So I think that's a dream scenario for him. All right, I'm going to bring up a quarterback here that I know not a lot of people are huge fans of. I still really like him. That's Jake From quarterback out of Georgia. He's someone that fits the what I look for when scouting the quarterback position, and that's a quick mental processor, accurate at all levels of the field and can diagnose a defense quickly, right, And that's we've seen these experiments with these quarterbacks who have, you know, huge arms, great mobility, all this, but they can't read and diagnose a defense quickly, and we see them flame out, you know, and after a few years of trying to make it work where you can scheme your you know, around your quarterback to trying to give them one read plays and all that, but you know, at some point you have to expand your offense. Jake From has the ability to walk into a West Coast style offense and be a starter from day one. Even though he doesn't have as strong of an arm as Justin Herbert in this class Jordan Love, he can still get it done at the NFL level. So he's someone when I'm watching him, I see him and compare him to like a Derek Carr. I think Derek Carr has a little bit more of a stronger arm, but I still think that Jake From brings everything that you want from a character, perspective, leadership to the quarterback position. I think we're going to see him going like the second or third round and he could be a starter within a year. JJ have you watched you know, have you looked at Jake From Have you watched him at all? What are your takeaways? Yeah, and you make a I agree with you with a quarterback position. You know, Mike Leach has always said that the one skill that you can't teach is accuracy, and he has that. From has that. I think the best comp that I heard was from my colleague jim Sonnez who came on my show and talked about him, and it was Chad Pennington. I think that's sort of the the easy go to where you have a guy that might not have the arm strength, but at least has the mental capacity and is incredibly accurate with the ball. So I too don't mind From. I don't know if he he has a huge ceiling, but I do think that he at least could be a serviceable guy, you know, if your team needs him. Yeah. I usually hate watching those quarterback prospects like From. And I remember you're telling me that you liked him, and I was like, I got to him. I'm like, oh, okay, and I liked him so much more than I thought I would. I really do wish the Bears would have kind of held out and not traded for Nick Foles and selected From and you know, maybe trade back in that second round into the third and take From. I believe that he can run an offense. You know, if he were to go to the Patriots, let's say that they were able to land him, you know, via trade like moving back or something like that, and land him, I think he would walk in and do perfectly fine. It's almost like an Andy Dalton type player, where you don't expect the biggest ceiling, but you have an accurate quarterback that can move the chains as long as the offense is designed well and from the processing is there too. He doesn't check down as much as Derek Carr. He may not have the arm that car does, but I also don't think from checks down. And he didn't have receivers. Let's let's not pretend that he had like top notch receivers at Georgia. He really didn't. I mean, is Ridley like the best like wide receiver that he was playing with? I mean, yeah, yeah, Javon Wims at one point, yeah, Javon Wims and no, right, yeah. I think with New England, you know, that was what I was actually going to ask you tax was where you know, if does New England make sense? And we've heard buzz that they might be looking to like retool their scheme and you know, maybe looking for a more mobile quarterback. But I think you like take Jake from take him out of college and just drop him right into that offense. If it were to stay the same, I think they wouldn't miss a beat. I think he could. He's someone who you need us surround him with playmakers. Of course, he's not going to be the guy who breaks away for you know, and does things on his own, breaks away for a big play. But he can be he can be a capable quarterback. So all right, JJ, let's go with one more here and then we'll do some rapid fire questions. Who do you got here? All right, let's let's talk about someone who I've struggled with a lot, because there's there's some issues that I have with his production profile and the analytical side of things, but I don't necessarily see it as much when I watch him. It's Brandon Ayuk. You know, if you look at his journey, if you will, played a couple of years at duke ball, then he doesn't do much with nikkiel Harry being the number one there at Arizona State last year or two years ago, and then last year he comes through with some strong production, but that gave him a bad breakout age and all of that. And I've seen a lot of people say, well, why can't we, you know, essentially make excuses for this guy because you know, he played juco ball and he was behind nikkiel Harry. That's part of the reason why, you know, we look at things like breakout age because it tells you that this guy was or this player that you're looking at was really good at a young age and in a prolific program. But when I watch him, I think he has a lot of of pro readiability and I liked what I could what I saw out of him yards after the catch, and what he could do if he has space. So I'm intrigued by him. And and as a result of all that, by the way, it was so so difficult to find a comp for him, because again I start with the numbers and then I kind of whittled down five to ten guys and then find players who really fit the way that this guy looks. The best one I could come up with was Terrence william I am now seeing. You know, we see IYUK be mocked at times earlier in the process, in the first round and into the second round, etc. And I guarantee no one wanted to draft a Terrence Williams type player there, So I'm curious too. I wanted to bring him up just to see where you guys were with him. Yeah, tax I'll let you go first. I Uk is someone that I watched the first game, because I think I watched a total of five games at him, And when I watched the first one, I was like, what do people seeing him, I'SI a first round talent, and then I watched another game and it was like, Okay, that was better, and then another one it was better, and then I went back to a bad one. So there was inconsistency in his play. For sure. I think that he would actually fit a team like the Packers, but I actually am going to mock him in the second round to the Jets because they're just a team that feels like they're just going to reach on a player on based on potential and what they see in the high points. They got bushod Paam into a one year deal, but I think the Jets are a team to watch because I don't think the Jets take a wide receiver with their first pick. I think they're gonna go offensive tackle. So I I like him. I again, he's one of those guys that I feel like a number two receiver And that's why I felt like Green Bay would be the ideal landing spot for him because he would pair well with someone like Davante Adams playing that possession style role, and you have Byuk who can stretch the field and do some other things as well. But I'm kind of with you in terms of and I think Yates is along the same path, so it's it's weird that we all feel this way. But he was a guy that I kind of went up and down on and I saw flashes of what could be a player, but then I saw other times where I was kind of like, yeah, he's kind of just a guy. Yeah. Well, I wrote up Brandon I Yuke's rookie profile for the scouting series that Tags and I've been doing, and I wrote in there I said, Brandon Aiyuk has been my most difficult evaluation to this point because I watched the first three games that I watched were Michigan State, Oregon State, and Oregon all in twenty nineteen, and Oregon he showed flashes he had a good game, but Michigan State and Oregon State were not good games. And I walked away and I was like, what in the world are people seeing that they're ranking this guy as a potential first round pick, especially in this class. And then I doubled back and I watched Washington State in Arizona, and I was like, Okay, well, this seems like an entirely different player. So I don't know if I was just like, I don't know what happened. I really don't know what to do with Brandon Aiyuk because I see a player who has great long speed, but I don't see great stop startability. You know, he's someone who can build up ahead of steam and can be that player who can get down field quickly, But yeah, I don't see great you know, start stoppability. He doesn't cut in and out of his brakes really easily, really well. So it's like, Okay, how is that going to translate to the next level. I'm really really scared of Brandon Aiyuk from a dynasty perspective. He's probably going to be someone who I do not have any shares of, just because, like you said, JJ, it's very hard to find a comp a comp for him. It's a really weird athletic testing profile, especially for the role that he's going to be used in running a four to five. You know, you want this guy, if he's going to be a field stretcher, to be a low four fours maybe even four three guys. So it's like, Okay, what do we what do we do with him? Yeah, that's I think all of us are in the same boat here and that, and I'm pretty sure ayuk is going before guys like Michael Pittman and Donovan People's Jones and rookie drafts. Right now, I don't. I don't think I would do that. Yep, I agree, all right, So your last one here? Who do you want to bring up? My last one? I'll bring up Anton Winfield, junior safety out of Minnesota. I like him an awful lot, and I know we've talked about Jeremy Chinn potentially going to the Bears in the second round. I want Winfield if all of the Bears. I feel like he'd be great along alongside Eddie Jackson. He's not the biggest guy, but he plays with tons of effort and it kind of reminds me of a way that we viewed Devin Bush last year to the Steelers. He was a guy that was undersized as a linebacker, but the effort was continually there. And I loved him as a player, and he played well in his rookie year, so I expect him to continue to develop. Winfield if he goes at the end of the first round, I would absolutely not be shocked because I think the talent is there. Yeah, you have the pedigree right with his dad playing in the NFL, which is important to NFL teams ball skills for days. He's just a playmaker on the back end, and he ran a lot faster at the combine than I thought he was going to, so he could potentially even be that single high safety, which when scouting his tape, I was like, I wonder if this guy is going to be able to do that. He might just be a Cover two kind of primarily guy, and he brings some verse fatility with being able to play you know, corner slot corner. So yeah, definitely would not be shocked to see him just very similar to what we saw with Darnell Savage last year. You know, to see him move up into the late first round, would not be shocked, all right. The guy that I'll bring up here is Derek Brown, the interior defensive lineman out of Auburn. He is most likely going to be a top ten pick. He is a monster against the run, just brings, you know, the ability to occupy multiple blockers and then be able to shed them to still make the play. Brings that interior presence too in the pass rush game, even though it's not his best trait still brings that, you know, tags and are diehard, diehard Bears fans. So we watch the effect that a guy like a Kiem Hicks has on the interior when he gets going. You know, he's forced against the run, but yet helps out Khalil Mack and the edge rushers. So I think that we're gonna see Derek Brown still go within the top ten, even though he had a confusing combine. I still think he's going to go in the top ten and he's going to be a foundational building block piece for a defense for a long time. Tags. Where do you think Derek Brown could go in the top ten? Where where do you have him going? There's no rumors but he's gonna go to the Lions that they're gonna pass No Kuda and take Derek Brown. I don't think that's I don't think that's real. I think that's more of the smoke stuff. But I have Derek Brown fallen to the Panthers at seven. They're a team that just needs playmakers hun defense like everywhere, so yeah anything, yeah, I mean that team is just it's ugly. Man. Even before free agency hit, that team was a pretty ugly on defense and it only got worse. So they need to go defense with that pick. It's just a matter of where, and I think Derek Brown falls there, yep, for sure. All right, guys, Well that is the end of the roundtable discussion bringing up some of these players again. Man, We're so close to this NFL Draft coming up. I'm so excited. We're gonna do some rapid fire questions here, guys. I'm gonna get both of your takes on this, so we'll do for each question. I've got ten questions here, guys, so we're gonna try to go through them as quickly as we can, and I'm gonna ask JJ first and then TAGS you'll you'll provide your input as well. So all right, JJ, what teams inside the top ten are most likely to make a trade? Yeah? I think one answer is Detroit. You know, Stafford was on pace to have probably his bet or one of his best seasons with Darryl Bevil last season, so I don't think they're necessarily thinking quarterback there, and so they feel fine in that position. I think it's just going to be a spot where a lot of teams will end up wanting. So I think Detroit is an easy go to. Yep, Detroit, Detroit and the Chargers is who I think. I think that's going to be a trade that happens awesome, all right, JJ, What teams picking middle to late in the first round are most likely to make a trade? Yeah? So, I mean generally speaking, I'm looking for teams that have little equity or a lot of equity to move up, and then teams that just need a lot of help. I know that teams are or there have been rumors of the Chiefs trading up to get Henry Ruggs, which would be out of control, but them sitting at thirty two. I'm always intrigued by the last pick in the first round because teams get really antsy and they want to get their guy once that's over, and they don't have a lot of draft equity either. So I think the Chiefs are actually an interesting team that would then trade down to get out of that spot because there's just going to be someone that some team really really wants before Day one is over. Yep, my pick would be the Falcons. They reportedly want to trade into the top ten, and so I would I would look to them as potentially a team that would trade up and then another one trading back would be either the Patriots or the Seahawks. Yeah, for sure. Death taxes and the Seahawks trading in the first round. Yeah, JJ. Who may be the most surprising player taken in the first round? Yeah, we talked about it earlier. I think it's Michael Pittman at the end of the first I think that he has that alpha potential. And you know, we already talked through it. There's already been some mocks where he's going to teams like Green Bay. So Michael Pittman's my pick. I'm gonna go Cole Comet tight end out of Notre Dame. I stood by this one a little bit, and I know there's a lot of people out there that don't feel there's a tight end that deserves to go in the first round, if not two rounds. But NFL teams always surprise us, and Cole Comet is probably the most well rounded tight end in terms of like traditional tight end. And the Patriots are the team that I think they're going to trade back to the end of the first round and probably select commit there. It would make sense if there was a team to draft Commet in the first round, it would be the Patriots. All Right, will a running back get taken in the first round. JJ, I'm gonna say yes, but I think if you're betting on it, there's a little bit more juice on the no, and I would go yeah, it's like one and a half. I think, yeah, so I would. I would. I would lean that way if I were betting. That's how close I basically think it is. I think it's more of a fifty fifty thing rather than it being swayed towards towards the yes. Agreed. It's tough for me to say, like, I can't accurately say what team will draft a running back because I feel like it'd be a reach. I have my first running back coming off the board at two oh five in my mock. So I'm gonna say no, but I know it's probably gonna happen, though for sure. All Right, how many wide receivers will get taken in the first round since the class is so strong? Yeah, I think Judy lamb Rugs all locks. Jefferson seems to be a lock too, but given the depth, I could see only maybe one or two more going because teams feel comfortable with what they can get in the second and third. So I you know, the line in most books right now is at like six and a half. I think it should be more at like five and a half. So I'm gonna say five to six as opposed to they're being more than six. That's perfect. That's exactly where i'd go, And I t Higgins is probably the last one that I think goes the end of the first round. So I'm gonna, yeah, I'm gonna say that I'll go with six, But five to six feels like a good number to me. And we talked about this at the end of our YouTube show yesterday that we did about, you know, teams with being so deep at wide receivers, teams feeling okay to pass on one in the first round. Six and a half seems like a really high line. That's insane. Yea, all right, which team is most likely to select two wide receivers in the first two days? For contexts there first two days is rounds one through three. Yeah. So when I was building projections out a couple months ago, a month and a half ago, whatever, I was looking at the Jets and I'm like, how is this a wide receiving group right now? Yea, Like, how is this? There's no semblance of anything there. So given the fact that they have four top eighty picks, I think that they're definitely a team that's going to look that way. And then Oakland's another one. They have five top ninety one picks, So I think they're a team that could maybe go with like a CD Lamb in the first and then just kind of throw a dart and hope that they can get someone strong on day two hit on the head. The Jets my pick, Yeah, they need help Roshad Perriman, Quincy and Noon Wad, Jamison Crowder, Josh Dockson. It's a one year deal for Perriman two. I know, yeah, it's it's not great. All right. Let's see here, how far could Labiscus Chenault's injury concerns push him down in the draft. Labiscus Chenault, of course, the wide receiver, kind of playmaker out of Colorado. I think he'd be almost locked into a late first or even mid first potentially if he didn't have the medicals. Because of what we've seen over the last couple of years with with really crafty offensive coordinators, whether it be with Deebo, Samuel A. J. Brown, those kind of yak guys and Obviously, Chanult's essentially a wide receiver playing in a running backs body, and you know, you get him into space, he can do a whole lot with the ball. But with the medicals, I'd still be shocked if he went past like round two. I still think he's going to go there, but you never know with medicals in the way that teams view that kind of stuff. I have him at the starter round three. Actually, I do believe that players that are dealing with injuries, this is like, it's pretty crappy that it's affecting him like this because they obviously didn't know this is going to happen. But but yeah, having that core surgery after the combined teams haven't been able to meet with them, there's definitely concerns there. So I haven't going at the top of the third run makes sense. Another thing to keep in mind too, with Brandon aiyuk had surgery rest it was either growing or core muscles. So something to keep in mind too, especially when we're talking about ayukim where he could land up all right, which established big name NFL player is most likely to get moved during the NFL draft, So I think that the one position that's intriguing with this kind of question is the running back position, because teams are becoming more and more savvy about getting rid of their running backs before they have to pay them and get that second contract. Obviously we're already hearing that with Leonard Fournette, and then there are other running backs in situations where you know, there's there's a lot of guys who can who you know, they're like third on their depth chart now, like a Royce Freeman or a Tevin Coleman even. But one name that I've seen be thrown around a little bit and it doesn't not make sense is Alvin Kamara because the Saints are going to be are going to be set to a decision as to if they want to pay him or not. Um, it's definitely more rumor driven than anything else. But we're seeing teams more and more, you know, try to get rid of these running backs and not have to pay up to keep them around. And we also know I'm not saying that Alvin Kamara is a system running back, don't get me wrong whenever I say this, but we also know that that's an environment where a lot of running backs can thrive. So so Kamara would be would be my pick, A sort of like an interesting fun one. Yeah. Um that that definitely would be an interesting one, expect. And the reason I don't see it is just because the Saints are in it to win it this year. I think we know, yeah, totally other a team that I actually I might pick them to win the Super Bowl. That's such a it's a well balanced team. Um, Breeze is still playing well. But I I mean Trent Williams is the obvious answer here. Yannick is another obvious one, but I'm gonna go, um, it's not he's not established. But I think Josh Rosen, I think he gets traded to and I've mentioned him to the Patriots because that that fit kind of makes sense. The Patriots kind of picking up the scraps there and saying, well, well we'll deal with Josh Rosen. That could make some sense. That would be that would make so much sense, and it would set the world on fire. Okay, to what degree might COVID nineteen and the drafts and virtual set up this year have on the amount of trades executed during the draft. So I thought about this. You could go two different ways. Really, I think you could make the case that there will be fewer trades because teams are worried about like the communication aspect of things. You know, they might not be able to communicate effectively, you know, amongst themselves to get a deal done. But then you could also make the argument, and I think this is sort of the argument that I'm I would lean towards that there would be more trades because I think we're going to see teams, I mean, we're likely going to see drafts that are insane because of the way that the pre draft process went and the amount of time they were able to spend with these players and etc. So we're going to see a lot of wide range of evaluation on these players. And as a result, I thought, I don't think teams are going to be able to understand the market as well. And if that's the case, they're going to have likely going to have some takelock on some players. And if there's takelock, and if they really want to have this one particular guy, they're going to be more inclined to trade up to get that guy. So I'm going to it might be contrarian, I have no idea, but I'm going to side with more just because of that aspect. I think that teams believe that, but I think it's gonna be the less because, especially when you get outside the first round, the time that's required to do all this stuff and like submit things online, I think more teams are gonna be a little bit paranoid about things getting done in time and then all of a sudden not being a rush that you're on the clock. I don't know how. I don't know how that process honestly works in terms of like what they're doing right now to submit picks and make sure that both teams agree to it to the NFL, and then they get a pass and it's like okay, because they never they don't restart the timer when the trade is made, that team has to take over and make their pick, and if there's if there's a hold up in that, it could really screw things up for NFL teams. So I do believe that it's going to make teams a little bit more, especially later in the draft when when we shorten the minutes, like in the first round, ten minutes a pick. I honestly thought that they were going to extend the time needed to make those picks just because of the situation. But If they're not doing that, I believe there's going to be less even though I do believe teams might want to trade out of this draft that are kind of rebuilding just because they don't want to take the risk right now. Yeah yeah, I mean we heard that the NFL is willing to pause the draft clock to make sure that trades can be facilitated. So tags you're in my live stream on Thursday night could turn into five and a half hours. You're I mean, I'm there for it, man, All right, Final question here, guys, which teams between the Colts, Packers, Saints, and Steelers grab a quarterback before Day three. I'm gonna say the Steelers won't because they don't have much draft equity. I could see the Saints doing it early, but I think the Colts are kind of intriguing if a quarterback does end up dropping further than expected, just because they have a couple of second round basically three picks between thirty four and seventy five, So if a guy does drop then they would be a little intriguing there. But I think the Saints might be the team that ends up getting one if they're of those teams that would get one. In the first Yeah, I have the Saints, says the first team grabbing one. I do have the Steelers taking a quarterback on the second round. I know, and I was gonna ask you about that, JJ, because you're obviously a Steelers guy. But that's a team that it's another well rounded team, a team that's built to win right now. Now they can use an edge, they could use a couple a couple pieces. But if Ben Roethlisberger were to go down, or if he's not recovered from this elbow injury like that, that's a big injury, right and he's thirty eight years old. Let's not pretend that he's a young quarterback that you're expecting to just balance back. You know, all of your hopes and dreams kind of go to crap if you have to go back to Mason Rudolph, right, a guy that lost his job to Duck Hodges. So taking someone like Jalen Hurts right there, it kind of makes sense for me. He's a guy that's played in the big stage. He'd be able to walk in. I believe he'd be able to play for them right away. That's why I have the Steelers taking a quarterback. There just because I can't see them going forward with the backups that they have, especially with Roethlisberger where he's at in his career. Yeah, my fear is that they're gonna not be very smart about it and go like running. That would be the worst. Yeah. All right, guys, Well that is it for today's show. Thank you so much to JJ for coming on. Man, JJ, we really appreciate you taking some time out of your busy schedule. I know we were talking. We've all got kids. This is like crazy time for all of us. We appreciate you taking some time out of your day. Yeah, thanks for having me on. Appreciate you guys having me on as always for sure, and remember to follow JJ on Twitter at Late Round QB. You can find Tags and I both on Twitter at Mike tag Lei or NFL and at Kyle y NFL. Guys, make sure that you're tuning in Thursday night to the NFL Draft live stream. Tags and myself are going to be on there for again, five and a half hours, six hours, whatever it takes, we're gonna be here. Tags have we decided no bathroom breaks. This is this thing I think that's happened. I might have like a funnel down below my desk. Okay, all right, I didn't need to know that we're moving on. Okay, well, guys, thank you so much for tuning into the Fantasy Pros Football podcast. Huge thank you again to Skylight and Pristine Auction for sponsoring today's podcast. 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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome into the Fantasy pros Football Podcast, and my name is Kyle Yates and I am your host. I'm joined as always by Mike Taglier Tags. How's it going, buddy, It's good. I mean, I'm excited. It's it's Tuesday that we're recording. This is probably gonna come out at night, but I'm excited. Man. The NFL Draft is now two days away and we're finally at the point where all these rumors are starting to fly around about trades and whatnot. So um, yeah, it's very stressful because you know, I'm working on my final mock draft. I am about six thousand words into it right now, and I just know that a trade is going to happen, and like, let's say the Browns trade for Trent Williams and that number ten overall pick changes, and then it literally changes the entire mock draft in ruins my life. I've guaranteed by the time you'll be hovering over clicking publish and that will the trade will come through. I guarantee I'm sending it. I'm sending it up. That's happening. Well. Hey, we're joined by JJ zachor Reese and he can be found on Twitter at Late Round QB. He's the editor in chief at fan Duel JJ. How's it going? But first I gotta ask you a really important question here, man, the Chargers dropped their uniforms, their new unis today. What do we think about them? I saw that, Yeah, they're they're looking good. I think that there are generally a lot of strong, almost unnecessary takes about uniforms on uniform Twitter. But I actually I think this is one one of those those uniform drops where you can feel, you can feel pretty strongly about them. I love the powder Blues Man uniform. Twitter is one of my favorite places. Now I'm just kidding that's not true. Well, hey guys, we are doing a NFL Draft preview episode. NFL Draft is right around the corner, man, I'm so excited for this. So what we're gonna do today is we're gonna be focusing primarily on the first two rounds. These players who are slated to go there kind of purchaed in there. We're going to be focusing on some running backs, wide receivers. We'll talk about some offensive tackles, defensive prospects. We're really just going to go through in a roundtable format and go through these players. So before we get into that, though, I want to remind you all about this contest we've got going on right now. Thanks to Pristine Auction, we're giving away assigned Alvin kamaras Saints helmet. Seriously, this thing is so cool. All you have to do is go to Apple Podcasts or Stitcher and leave a review, then take a screenshot of that review and email it to contest at Fantasypros dot com. For more details, head over to Fantasypros dot com slash contest. Again, a huge thank you to Pristine Auction from making that possible, and I want to make sure that we thank them for sponsoring today's podcast. Pristine Auction is the place to go to get your signed, authentic memorabilia of your favorite players at unbelievably affordable prices. It's quick and free to register, so head over to pristine Auction dot com. That's Priistian Auction dot com and when registering, enter in Fantasy Pros all one word in the registration code field to receive a five dollar credit for your first order. Again, that's pristine auction dot com. To start building your dream man cave today, JJ since you're our guest. We're just going to kick this around the room. We'll talk about what these players you can do from a fantasy perspective. Who they remind us of. Who's the first player that you want to bring up here? Yeah, so I guess let's let's talk about Jonathan Taylor. And I think that he's going to be a little bit more polarizing than we think post draft. And I say that because the fantasy community loves him, including myself, but I'm afraid that the NFL and organizations don't love him as much. And obviously draft capital being a huge deal for running backs and running back production, you know, it's a little bit worrisome. I think that you're going to see some dissonance when it comes to someone who might be a first round pick in DeAndre Swift and if Jonathan Taylor, if in when he drops to the mid second or early second, what have you, You're gonna have a lot of discussion about who that one O one is. In rookie drafts, consensus was, but to me, Jonathan Taylor is the most complete back in this class. He's at least the most intriguing in terms of upside. You know, if you look at you know, the way that I generally, and this is going to be consistent throughout our conversation today, But the way that I generally look at running backs and wide receivers, especially what I'm prospecting is I'm going from a data first lens, So I have prospect models, my running back model, my wide receiver model, and I look at comps from that perspective, and then I watch these guys to make sure that the comps sort of makes sense. So I'll have a narrowed down list, a consideration set of maybe five to ten guys, and then from there that's all analytically based, and then from there I'll see who matches up best for me Jonathan Taylor analytically, and while watching I think he matches up best with Ezekiel Elliott. I think that's the kind of prospect that we're looking at. The difference, obviously, is the fact that you know, I don't think NFL teams see it that way. I think that there are question marks via NFL teams about his pass blocking or pass catching. Where Zeke also had the benefit of coming from a different type of program that doesn't have the running backs that have sort of failed at the NFL level and in that run heavy scheme. So I think that, you know, just just given sort of the the secondary pieces around the profiles of those guys, that's sort of what elevated Zeke a little bit. Zeke was sort of a more of a superstar, if you will. But I think Jonathan Taylor does have the potential to make that kind of impact. Sure, so we saw Zeke go what number four overall a few years ago, where are we kind of projecting Jonathan Taylor to go at this point? To me, I think he's gonna end up going in the in the early to mid second. I don't think he's gonna be a first round pick, even though again I do think that he's the top running back in this class. But again, I mean, you can there's a big difference too, between the way that we look at these guys from a fantasy perspective and the way that we look at them from a real football perspective. And if if if teams are viewing Jonathan Taylor as as having let's say average or even below average chops at pass blocking or receiving, that's not something that translates well to to today's NFL and that's where you can see instances where someone like Clyde Edwards Silaire just jumps him and is the better prospect in terms of how these teams are viewing that player. And I can't really fault that because it makes a lot of sense. So I think that because of them, because of that perception, he's gonna drop a little bit more than a lot of us who like Jonathan Taylor, would like shirt tags with Jonathan Taylor. If he was coming out in nineteen eighty five, would he be the number one overall pick? Absolutely? Like he reminds me of Nick Chubb. That's the type of player I think. And Chubb was someone that wasn't expected to catch very many passes. He did well his rookie year, and then they kind of abandoned him in that role last year use Kareem Hunt. That's kind of how I view him as a player. In my mock draft that I'm gonna be publishing probably later today, I'm gonna make him at the top of the second round. I have the Lions trading out of the three spot into six with the Chargers, and the Chargers giving up their second round pick this year in order to do that. And with that pick, I think the Lions take him. I think he would hair well with someone like carry On Johnson, who it seems like they have durability concerns And I was one that wanted to write that off to say, you know, it's just some bad luck. But at the same time, every year it's like they had the Garrett Blunt, they had c J. Anderson and the last year Bo Scarborough, so they always have that power back that they want to use and carry On just hasn't been able to stay healthy. So Joona and Taylor to the Lions. What would you How would you guys feel about that as a landing spot because I don't I don't think it would be great because I think carry On's I don't want to say a more well rounded back because Jonathan Taylor is better than carry On, but I think it would be a messy time share. Yeah, JJ, what are your thoughts there? Yeah? I would agree. I mean I'm in the same boat as you though tags in terms of carry On sort of being that satellite back plus moving forward where he can have you know, the seven carry games, but be involved heavily in the passing game, not unlike what we probably are going to see moving forward from like an Austin Eckler, but he's not as good as a receiver obviously as Austin Nickler. So yeah, I mean I think that they've been a sneaky team that's going to take an early round back for a while. I mean, it makes makes sense if it's Jonathan Taylor, it just becomes an absolute disaster because not only that, but when you have when you have weapons in that offense that can score touchdowns, whether it's Kenny Galladay, Marvin Jones, etc. All that does is less than the opportunity whether when when you are close to the goal line for one of those backs to score. That's always been sort of a downside for carry On Johnson to begin with. But it's not like it's the best situation. It's not like it's a New Orleans Saint situation where they could really carry two backs in terms of fantasy potential and success. So if he does go there, I think it's you know, it makes sense from a real football perspective, but it would be pretty tough from a fantasy one. Yeah. That was the issue that I had with carry On last year was that that offense wasn't going to be a high powered scoring offense, so the opportunities for carry On to actually score touchdowns, which are so crucial to the running back position in fantasy football, we're minimal. Now, you it comes down to the question of it, does Jonathan Taylor elevate that offense to the point where they are suddenly, you know, a top ten offense in the NFL. I just don't. I don't know if I see that happening, But I agree with you, JJ, I think it makes a ton of sense from a real football perspective. All right, tags, who do you want to bring up here? Let's stick with the running back position. Just work our way through those guys real quick. Clyde Edwards, Hilaire, it's been I made it no secret that I love this guy. I had him as my RB one just because. And it's not to say that he's a better runner than Jonathan Taylor, but he I think he's best suited for today's NFL in terms of how teams want to use their running backs in the passing game. Like we're seeing now more than ever, running backs get a hundred targets in the passing game. And Yates and I have talked a lot about Edwards Hilaire saying that he's like a Ray Rice clone somebody like that. And you could even compare him too someone like Doug Martin, but a better pass catcher. And Doug Martin had a couple of fourteen hundred yard rushing seasons. So I mean it speaks highly as to how I feel. And you know, I go back to the statement that I made in my profile and Edwards Hilaire saying that he is like when people say that running backs don't matter, I understand what they're trying to say, but when you watch Edwards Hilaire, he absolutely matters. I do believe that he matters to a team success. Joe Burrow said he's the best athlete he's ever played with, and that's that's high praise. I think he fits today's NFL extremely well. And I think that the Bucks are a team to watch in the second round to take him, because I mean, we haven't heard any whispers about them tracking any running backs in free agency. They only have Ronald Jones and Dariagambawally and the team and though let's be real, those are not your franchise guys. Ronald Jones, I like him as a player, but I don't think that he's a a twenty touch per game workhorse. He's not. He doesn't excel in the passing game. And we know that Tom Brady loves using his running backs like his wheel rounds to the running backs in the passing game are a thing of beauty. Like legitimately, it's chemistry in the making, and Edwards Hilaire would fit that role extremely well on a win now team. He's played on the big stage, he knows it. Also. He's definitely the player that I'm looking forward to seeing where he lands JJF. Edwards Hilaire lands in Tampa Bay. Let's look at it from a dynasty perspective. Is he a top five dynasty pick at that point? Does he fall a little bit outside of that? I think he's a top five dynasty pick. Yeah, you know, I think that the way I see things right now, from just a prospect standpoint, without looking at landing spot and without looking at draft capital, I think that you can make the case that there are five ish, you know, backs that have that upside and that potential in this class, and Cech is definitely one of them. He's probably one of my biggest risers since the whole process started. And if he goes to a place like Tampa Bay, I wouldn't be shocked. And maybe this is a hot take, but I wouldn't be shocked if he ends up being the one on one in a lot of drafts, because it's that good of a landing spot. He's a really strong player. What's nice about a good pass catcher like him? And by the way, how insane is it that he's playing on the best college football team in the country and he has the third best final season reception share in this entire class, Like what does that tell you? So he's got a great pass catching floor, which is great obviously for fantasy purposes. So I wouldn't be shocked if he goes to a place like Tampa Bay, if they spend decent draft capital would get him. I wouldn't be shocked if we end up seeing him be the one on one in a lot of rookie drafts. It wouldn't be surprising. I think he definitely has a talent, and man, he's so much fun to watch. You put on his tape and he's just so much fun to watch. So I definitely definitely see that I'm going to bring up a player here and I'm going to start on at the top of the draft. I think he's the number one overall player in this classroom. Me I'm gonna go to the defensive side of the ball. It's Chase Young, edge rusher out of Ohio State. This guy is just everything you want in a pass rusher. I mean, you talk about Nick Bosa last year in the impact that he had to a defense. Chase Young can bring that same level of impact. He is a force off in the run game, force in the pass game. I mean, he just he can get after the quarterback. You look at some of his stats, even though he were suspended. I think two games this past season still broke Ohio State single season sack record, which is just it's incredible what he was able to do. So a team is going to take him super high right now. That's kind of projected to be the Washington Redskins. Wouldn't be surprised to see that pick happen. And if he does, he's walking into a loaded defensive line. You know, talking about former first round picks there at tags. I know that you're a fan of Chase Young. What do you have to add to this, what kind of player is he? I mean, I like him, and people are talking about him like he's like he's a can't miss generational player. I don't. I don't know if I would say that I liked Bosa last year better than I do Chase Young this year. And I mean that's not a slight because Bosa was someone I really loved and felt like he should have been the number one pick. I still stand by that, And it's it's weird to me because why are the Redskins so we're hearing it today. I don't know if you guys have heard the rumors that the Redskins are fielding offers. They're not like necessarily like absolutely trading out of that spot, but they're listening to offers, is what they said. Why would they do that, because, like I thought, Okay, if they're gonna trade back, they're gonna tell the team that's trying to come to them that they need to acquire the number three pick from the Lions because they wouldn't want to lose out on Chase Young. Is there something here that they're that we're missing that they maybe they're they're rethinking this whole Chase Young thing. I really thought that if if this draft process was normal, they may have been considering too a number two overall because Dwayne Haskins, Like, think about it, we have a new coaching staff in there. Dwayne Haskins didn't show up, you know, in his rookie year like I think some hoped him. We all knew that he was a developmental prospect, but we heard them talking to quarterbacks and TWA was there and Tank for Tua was a real thing just a couple months ago. What are you guys reading into this whole thing about the Redskins potentially treading out of that number two pick, and do you think it has anything to do with Chase Young. I think I think it's a real thing if they identify that, Okay, we are officially moving Trent Williams and we need a left tackle. So I think that if they were to move out, it wouldn't be out of the range of taking one of those top tier tackles. So I think that's the only thing where if they can get a king's ransom for that number two overall pick. Again, their defensive line is pretty stacked, Like I think they can feel, yes, Chase him would put them over the top, and he'd be an amazing addition. But if they can add a you know, let's say number six. You know, let's just say the Chargers move up to two. I'm just throwing out a team, and so they're still in that range to be able to take a top tier tackle, but they add a second round pick where they can then add another corner. You know. I think that would be smart team building, because again, they don't have a second round pick because of moving up for Monta Sweat last year, So that would be the only situation and where I can see them evaluating it, go, Okay, we can plug several holes here rather than just taking the best player available. I don't know if that's a smart way to do it, but I can see it happening. Yeah, I mean, I think it's about flexibility in the end. It's it's no different than when we're playing fantasy football and we're saying, yeah, we like this player that we have on our roster. Let's just assume that young would be on their roster. But we we like this player on our roster, but we're very open to trading him if if the price is right, and we know that there could be teams that are very, very willing to trade up into that two spot just given who would be there. Yeah for sure. All right, well JJ, you're up next year in that roundtable discussion. Who you bringing up? Let's go a wide receiver. Let's bring up Jerry Judy to start. I have Judy as my wide receiver and one in this class. I think that the easy comp both analytically and through through watching him as Stefan Diggs. That's really the kind of player that we're looking at here. What's really impressive for me from a data perspective. So my wide receiver model looks at three main production metch ricks, one of them being receptions per game, but in the other one another one being yards per team pass attempt, which is the most predictive of the three, and then the other one being touchdown share. I think receptions per game and yards per team pass attempt kind of go in unison really well. Because one of them sort of yards per team pass attempt sort of looks at efficiency within their offense slash. It does benefit more of those deep ball players and high A dot players, But then when you add it in conjunction with receptions per game, it really just gives you a better profile. Good example of that is like Brian Edwards, who is fine from a receptions per game standpoint, but is the yards pertein pass attempt wasn't very good because he caught so many screen passes. But Jerry Judy, the fact that I also have a teammates score in my model, and the fact that he's working with potentially two first round wide receivers on his team this past year and he did what he did from a stats score standpoint in general, is really it's alarming in the best way possible. So I think Judy, you know, I think that there's a little bit of concern I guess about size and BMI if you want to be a little bit nitpicky. But I think he's a great route runner and he's going to make a team feel very good about drafting him when it's all said and done. I think that, you know, I understand the Ceedee Lamb arguments for sure, and I don't fault anyone for having Lamb number one. I think that he has really really interesting upside. Part of the reason that I gave Judy the one spot as sort of a tie breaker is that I had a hard time comping Lamb very confidently because he's a very unique player. So that's that's where I'm at with Jerry Judy. I think he's the wide receiver one in this class. Tags. We're gonna hear that Stefan Diggs and I know that that's a comparison that you've made two and I agree with it. People are going to hear that from a fantasy football perspective and say, well, Stefan Diggs has been good, but he hasn't been that top tier player. What do you say to those kind of fears. No, it's it's it's funny because I actually thought before recording the show, I wanted to address that because Stefon Diggs has been fantastic, but he's never seen the targets needed to be a true number one wide receiver in fantasy football and Jerry Judy. The difference here is that he's going to be drafted like one. Stefan Diggs. As you guys know, he was a late round pick and the Vikings run first team. Any team that drafts Jerry Judy in this draft is going to be using him as their target hog. I mean, you look at the teams that are potentially going to look at him to be drafted. I mean you could say the Jaguars. I don't think that's the case. I think that the Jets are the first team that you consider the Raiders. The Raiders make so much sense because they're a team. You think about what they did with Antonio Brown, trying to bring him in like they were willing to take a chance because they knew the upside with him right, and obviously that didn't work out. They have their slot guy and Hunter renfro so Ceedee Lamb the versatility that he offers in moving into the slot. Judy can do that too, But Judy is more of the perimeter player that I think. You know, he's played against top tier competition, running translates. He could do a lot of things that Antonio Brown can do because Stefan Diggs, I mean, that's the model of his game, right. We have Antonio Brown as a comp for guys like Stefan Diggs, Guys like Calvin Ridley. They may not be the biggest players, but they generate so much separation that their quarterback absolutely loves them. So I love Jerry Judy and I've said this for a long time, as that you know depending on your team need. In Dynasty, Jerry Judy's my one on one pick in Dynasty drafts. Yeah, all right, so JJ, let's say that Jerry Judy lands with the Las Vegas Raiders there at twelve, where are we taking? Is he the one on one or are we moving him down the board a little bit? Yeah? I mean I think generally the way that I look at rookie drafts is it depends on team need. I know it's a cop out answer, but I do think it's important. You know, in a lot of leagues and a lot of like team construction. From from a team construction perspective, I generally am like sort of punting running back or sort of punting wide receiver, just given where I'm at with my particular team. So I can make the case then and from that standpoint that Jerry Judy would be the one on one. But you know, I'm with Tags. I think he could be a very special player. Awesome, All right? Tags? Who do you got up here next? All right? So I mean we'll stick a wide receiver. And I want to talk to you guys, and this is I want your guys opinion, because we haven't talked about this player so much in the show is because we've done our mock drafts and he's not always going in the top two rounds. But Donovan People's Jones out of Michigan played a lot of slot in Michigan. Beviously, it's not a program where you're going to go and put up like crazy numbers. And that's why a lot of people and the models they come up when they talk about production metrics and and I don't think that applies to certain players, and I think Donovan People's Jones if you go in through and actually sit down and watch the tape. I remember I was sitting there watching him, and I kept sending yates like like basically links to the video I was watching and saying, this just should have been a touchdown here if his quarterback legitimately throws it in the right zip code. And then when he goes to the NFL combine, you can see he covers so much ground, crazy, long arms, big hands, vertical is insane, like top ten all time. There's I don't know what there's not to like about Donovan People's Jones outside of the fact that he played for a school that he just didn't get as much opportunity, and well the opportunity that he did get wasn't even great. But I believe he's a player that you throw it in the general zip code of him, and I think he comes down with it. I believe he's and I know people are gonna hate this comp but a Juju Smith Schuster type player where he's a little bit more go up and get it, whereas Juju is a little bit bigger in terms of like the target size you're looking at. But that's the type of player he reminds me of that. I think he translate into the slot in the NFL. I think he can play on the perimeter if you need him too, but ideally you haven't planned a slot to start and kind of work him that way. But what do you guys think? JJ, I'm really curious to hear you about your take on Donovan People's jones, being that you are, you are big into those metrics and like you know, the models that you create. But what did you see when you watched him? Yeah, super physical receiver and that's intriguing in this class for sure. I mean, the thing that we're seeing with wide receivers over the last half decade, let's say is we're just seeing that shift where these guys have very specific jobs that they do well, and I actually see him as someone who can be pretty versatile at the at the next level of things come together. My one call out again you mentioned that the analytical stuff. My one call out is, like I said earlier, the most predictive metric in my model is yards per team pass attempt, and he was pretty below average there. Not obviously you know an interesting or the reason that that metric in particular is kind of interesting is because it's it's capturing both official see in market share kind of all into one, because you're seeing how well this guy is doing with each pass attempt that his team is generating. So he was a little bit below average. There are pretty below average there, I should say, But I do think that he has an intriguing enough profile altogether to warrant, you know, some upside and really if you look at at rookie adp you can get them really really cheap. So if you you know, what we're going to also see in this draft is in draft capital obviously very very important. What we're gonna see in this draft is at the wide receiver class is as deep as it is, we're going to see so many Day two picks, and we're going to probably be a little bit have a little bit of anchoring bias towards the guys that we liked going into the draft, especially with the fantasy community likes. So you know, a leaviscos Chenault if he ends up going in the second round or if Jalen Rager doesn't go in the first round, the guys that the fantasy community loves, they're going to be basically stuck in the same ADP range they're currently in. But some of the other guys, like People's Jones, I mean, you're gonna see these guys that could end up being Day two picks if a team really likes them, and then you won't see the reaction be strong enough from an ADP perspective and from them a market perspective, and those guys become really really nice values. Then in rookie drafts, yeah, Donovan People's Jones, a former five star recruit coming out highly touted, goes to Michigan and then just does not have great production all three or four seasons. I can't remember if he was a senior underclassman, but you know, just doesn't have great production, but again, a lot can be attributed to the way Shape Patterson played. You know, people want to try to make Shape Patterson a fifth round NFL draft pick. You know, I'm saying, no, he's going undrafted, like this guy shouldn't be, just because of the play that we saw there. And you know, you have an extremely talented wide receiver corps there at Michigan and you can't do anything with it. What's to say that you're going to do something at the next level. So Donovan Peoples Jones needed to show up to the combine and prove that he was a top tier athlete, and he did just that. You know, Tags, you mentioned it that this guy jumped out of the gym. You know, his forty was amazing everything, And so you know, he's got the he's got the athletic profile. Now it's can he fall into the right place. I think he's one of those guys that we talk about landing spot. Landing Spot's huge for him. All right, Tags, I want to take a quick break here before I get to my player, Tags. What do we have going on Thursday night for the first round of the NFL Draft. Oh man, I'm so excited. This is something that I kind of always wish was a thing, and we're kind of making it a thing. We're doing a live broadcast of the NFL Draft. As you guys know, everybody's kind of stuck in quarantine and everybody's gonna be watching everybody from their homes. So why not sit down with Yates and I and go through the entire first round of the NFL Draft. That's exactly what we're doing. We are it's gonna be a three or four hour stream, however long it takes. Yates are gonna be and I are gonna be sitting talking to you guys through analysis on every single pick, giving you comparisons to the players when they come off the board. You know, the guys that we're not going to be able to talk about today, but we're going to break it down what it means for dynasty, what it means for redraft because as JJ was just talking about, landing spot matters much more than people want to admit. And you know, if someone like DeAndre Swift does come off the board in the first round, let's hit that there's a surprise in Clyde Edwards. Hilaire go somewhere in the first round, we're going to be talking about that like right away immediate reactions, So make sure you guys go over to our YouTube channel YouTube dot com Forward Slash Fantasy Pros. We already have the link set up there, so it's gonna just have a countdown letting you know until when it begins. I'm sure you guys are gonna want to check that out. Yates and I are gonna be jabbing each other. We're gonna be jabbing picks, talking about everything. And you know, when you watch the NFL Draft, I think a lot of people that play fantasy wish they would talk a little bit more about certain players, and this is going to give us the ability to talk, you know, about those players as well as take some questions from everybody in the chat. For sure. I was just about to mention that we have that chat going too, so make sure that you guys. We'll be able to interact with you guys and in a way that you know. This is going to be the most watched event over the past couple of months because there's no other events going on, so this is gonna be huge, So make sure that you guys are checking it out. We'd love to interact with all of you. All right, My player that I'm gonna bring up here at the wide receiver position is Michael Pittman, Junior out of USC. He's someone who I really really like from a just a wide receiver, you know, fantasy perspective. This guy is six four, two hundred and twenty three pounds, ran a four or five two at the combine. I think, off the top of my head, just ran a lot faster than I thought he was going to. Was super quick in the three cone. He just brings everything to the table that I'm looking for from a wide receiver perspective, and I think that he's going to go a lot higher in the NFL Draft than people are predicting. I think he could be a back end of the first round wide receiver prospect. He's just that good. He's, you know, bring some yards after the catchability, has insane hands, contested catchability downfield, can track the ball down field. He just moves so fluidly for a player of his size, and of course you know the pedigree with his I think his dad playing in the NFL two for a long time. So you know, he's just someone who I'm really really excited about He compares for me to Courtland Sutton, and I think, you know, so many people wish they could go back to that rookie draft and draft court and Sutton because of his outlook. Michael Pittman Junior is going in like the second late second round of Dynasty rookie drafts right now, and it's an absolute steal. So tags, I know you've you've watched Michael Pittman Junior. What are your thoughts here, Well, I mean, if he goes in the first round, he'd better move up draft boards because if you're a wide receiver who's drafted in the first round, especially in this draft, this draft class, with these wide receivers, that team obviously needs you. If a team is taking a wide receiver, like let's say the Packers were to take Pittman at the end of the first I think people would move him up their board is quite a bit and he'd probably be a borderline first round pick and rookie drafts I have him falling to the end of the second round to the Seahawks. Actually, I believe that you know, Russell Wilson has asked for weapons, and I believe that at some point they're going to have to start giving them those. So if you have Pittman, DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett, that's a solid trio to try out there in three wide receiver sets. Pittman is someone to me, I feel like he's a complimentary receiver rather than a number one in an offense. I know he has the size you would want out of a number one. And if he lives up to that Courtland Sutton comparison, that would be massive, because Sutton, I mean the guy if you actually watch, Like his stats were mine, but if you actually watched, he overcame some bad quarterback play last year and did really really well. Uh JJ, were you ad on Pittman? What's an ideal landing spot for him? Let's say that for a dynasty and redraft perspective, where would you like to see Pittman land? I agree so much here with what was said about him going to Green Bay. Um. I think that that's a very realistic thing that could happen. I think Peter King actually in his mock draft he had Pittman going to the Packers in the first round. I love Michael Pittman. He's He's probably been the biggest riser for me throughout the process. When I first looked at him in my model, wasn't looking great, mostly because he had that late breakout age. He didn't have that much production until his final season. You really don't love to see guys who don't declare early going in the first round either. There's been a lot of studies done on that to show that that non early declares generally don't have good hit rates in the first round. But our sample is kind of small there too to begin with. But I think that I think that your right tags in that he's probably profiles from a from a mean perspective, an average of being more of a complimentary wide receiver. But I think he's one of the few players in this class who could be a true alpha and who could who could be um? You know, I think people will probably view like a te Higgins that way as well, But who could be that that true true number one guy with size that we see. That's why Courtland Sutton does make a lot of sense to me as a comp. The comp that came to me that was on my list, Again, I go analytical, and then I watched the guy. This is a high end comp and I understand that the name I'm about to drop is a strong name, but it's Brandon Marshall. And the main reason is you get the late breakout age. So analytically they look very very close and there's a lot of similarities there. But I think that that's where his ceiling could end up being. You know, it's not a comp. I generally try to keep my comps realistic. Just know that that's more of a ceiling comp than the realistic one for sure. And I think people are miss like people can hear that name and just think about later career Brandon Marshall rather than who he was. You know, in his prime, he was a really really good wide receiver. JJ, is it up to you? Sure? I'll keep things with Alabama. Let's go with Henry Ruggs and talk about Rugs because there's a lot a lot of back and forth, especially on Fantasy Twitter, about you know, Ruggs in his analytical profile, but obviously Ruggs is someone who's who's going to be a first round pick this week to me, in my model, Ruggs has a negative stats score, So stat score of zero is just completely average. He has a negative stat scorn. It's pretty far, it's it's not looking great for Henry Ruggs analytically. And if you look at first round wide receivers that have been drafted since two thousand and five with a negative stats score, literally none of them are hits, not one. Ted Gin is probably the best player of that group, but that's a small sample. You know, there's only nine wide receivers there. And I think that Ruggs has more of a completeness to his game than what analytics are going to show. And you can put a lot of context around his numbers in a way as well, just given the competition that he had in that offense, etc. So the way that I view Ruggs is more of a from an impact standpoint in the NFL, if you want to get production from him or if you if he has a productive career, is more in the Mike Wallace area as opposed to the Ted ginn area. And I think too, you know, Ruggs is one of the we get these maybe once or twice every draft season, but Ruggs is one of those players that's likely going to help a real football team a lot more than a fantasy football team. We see that DeShawn Jackson throughout his entire career. Wasn't the best fantasy asset in the world, but he was arguably a top five most valuable wide receivers in football throughout his career, given how he can stretch the field and take defenders his way and open things up for his first teammates. We've seen, you know, his his quarterbacks before and after Deshan Jackson have completely different yards per attempt rates in a bad way without DeShawn Jackson. So I think that's why teams so intrigued with Rugs. I get it, but from a fantasy perspective, I likely won't have him as like my wide receiver three, even though you know he's going to have that first round capital. So JJ quick question here with with Henry Ruggs, and you said part of your model factors in teammates score, So what how did he when looking into that teammates score? Because again we're talking about context, right, And that's one of the things that I appreciate, appreciate about you is that you're bringing in that context because some people just stop the conversation with the looking at the hard numbers, right, So you know you look at that offense, Jerry Judy, DeVante Smith, Jalen Waddle, of course Nag Harris out of the backfield, like it was a loaded wide receivering core. So how did he factor in and how did that look after you factored in that teammate score. Yeah, so teammate score inherently is not going to be perfect because it's really hard for it to be perfect. But post draft it's gonna look even better because it'll factor in, like where Jerry Judy gets drafted. So you know, in general, it doesn't it doesn't bring a lot of signal within the model, meaning when you factor in teammate score, you know, it doesn't drastically change the general are squared within the model itself. But you know, I kind of view it similarly to the way that I view return yards, whether it's kick or punt return yards, in the way that if there's a player who gets drafted early ish and he doesn't have that great of an analytical profile, but you can point to things like he was a great kick returner, punt returner, or he and this is all analytical obviously he was he was a great kick returner, punt returner, or he had these teammates on his team that were also good pros. I mean, you can look at it last year with a J. Brown and DK Metcalf too. When you give it that context, almost subjectively, then you're at least opening your mind up to not being someone who just sees, oh he has a bad stat score, I'm avoiding him at all costs. I mean, there's a lot of players, especially last year's draft, where the production profiles were pretty bad at wide receiver, but we saw a lot of these guys hit because a lot of them were versatile. I mean, another good example that is Deonte Johnson, who didn't have the best production profile in the world, but then you look at all the contexts he actually was also competing with guys who were fringe pros as well. But then on top of that, he was a returner and not just sort of boost their profile overall. So when you give that context to those players, even though a guy like Henry Ruggs won't look great. You know, although, to be fair, once I put draft capital and he's gonna look fine in my model because he's gonna be a top twenty pick. But you know, I think that that it's important to have that context whenever you're looking at things from a numbers driven perspective. That's awesome. It's really good advice. All right, tags, who do you got here? All right, let's go over the defensive side of the ball. It's been a little bit so we've talked about those guys. I'm gonna go with Raekwon Davis out of Alabama. He's a guy that you know, we continually just see him kind of like written off. And I remember when I ranked, I put on my first big Board and I had him as a top twenty player in this draft, and h someone said that that was like extremely bold, and I didn't feel like it was. I mean, while watching him, I know Alabama's defense wasn't you know, the defense that we've seen, you know, the previous few years. But I don't think the guys around him were that good. Like Terrell Lewis I don't like very much at all. An Fonny Jennings is not good. Mac Wilson wasn't good last year, and I didn't like him last year. It's not an Alabama thing. It's just more about he's playing for Nick Saban. I believe he was a star and he was just surrounded by a bunch of mediocre guys, and you saw that on the tape. Raykwon Davis continually got double teamed, and I think that's what slowed production a little bit. But he's a very long player, gets his arms up, a good play recognition. He's built like a left tackle basically. I like Raykuon Davis a lot, and I think he's gonna be drafted a lot higher than than some others will because you have, you know, you have Derek Brown, who's going to be going inside the top ten, maybe top five from what we're hearing. You have Javon Kinlaw to South Carolina. He's going to be discussed in that area. But Rayquon Davis is a diamond in the rough basically right now, just because Alabama isn't you know, they're not treated like they have been in years past, because otherwise I think ray Kwon Davis would be a locked in first round pick. Yeah. I mean six seven, three and eleven pounds if I'm remembering correctly off the top of my head, Like, you don't make that human being very often, especially with the wingspan that he has. So I think he's one of those players that has like is dripping with upside and potential and always has been really has not produced over his career at Alabama. So that's a huge concern. Right. You rarely see guys not produce greatly in in college and then suddenly jumped to the NFL and they're you know, eight SAT guys or whatever. But he's a force against a run and so if he figures out how to become that pass rusher, I think sky's a limit with him. It's just going to be a matter of like, okay, where are teams comfortable taking the chance on him? 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To get ten dollars off your purchase of a skylight frame, just go to skylight frame dot com slash fantasy, then enter code fantasy. That's s k y l I g h T f r ame dot com slash fantasy. All right, I'm gonna bring up I'll stick with the defensive side of the ball here. I'm gonna go Isaiah Simmons, linebacker, defensive lineman, edge player, corner safety out of Clemson. This guy is just so much fun to watch. You see him lining up all over the field at his size, ran at four three nine I think forty yard dash at the combine at like two hundred and twenty five pounds. Like, this guy is just insane. He's a freak of nature. So I think the question now becomes with Isaiah Simmons of where exactly do you play him? I think you have to, you know, at safe. I think he's more of a raw prospect than I think we want to admit a linebacker. I think he'd be a great, you know, an off ball linebacker. Just let him move around and make plays for a defense. So he's I think he's gonna go within the top ten picks of the NFL draft. He's going to be an exciting player for whatever team gets him. It's just going to be the question of, Okay, where exactly do you play him? Tags Where did you have him landing in your latest mock draft. Oh yeah, it's gonna be my final one. I put him to the Giants. I'm not going to move off of it. I know that people talk about Tristan Worth's an offensive lineman and whatnot, but if you can't stop anybody, it doesn't matter. You need to be able to play defense. I mean, that's bottom line. You look at the teams that go to the Super Bowl. Even the Chiefs defense played much better than I think people expected in the first year switching from the three four to the four three. The Giants don't have talent on defense. They really just don't. That's the easiest way for me to explain it. You need a centerpiece, and Isaiah Simmons can play a multitude of different roles, and I think it's hilarious that we heard today. There's an anonymous and I'm putting that in quotes. Anonymous scout said that he's the most overrated player in this draft. I saw that lots of stuff because it's just like, can you feed any more crap to anybody? Like, honest, if you said Isaiah Simmons is the number one player in this draft, I wouldn't fight you about it. He's phenomenal. He's just and I don't use this slightly like Julio Jones is probably my favorite football player of all time. He reminds me of like a Julio Jones on defense, Like that's what he looks like when I watch him. It's very rare that I say that I have fun watching a defensive prospect because I'm really offensive based, but I had fun watching Isaia Simmons play football. Yeah, on the defensive side of the ball. I try to aim for three games of tape minimum and then and unless I really really like a player, and then I'll just keep watching their film. And that was one of the things with Isaiah Simmons, was like I don't want to stop watching his film. I'll watch I'll watch more games JJ with Isaiah Simmons. I mean, where have you seen him going in mock drafts that you feel comfortable, you know, like tags mentioned to the New York Giants, where have you seen him kind of typically go yeah, I think that that makes the most sense. At four that's generally where I've where I've seen him drop off. Yeah for sure. All right, Well, JJ, I think it's back to you here, right, So let's go back to running backsh This guy's probably my favorite. I don't want to say he's just a deeper value kind of running back. I definitely have a type at the position and he sort of fits that. But it's Darrenton Evans out of app State. I see him as I mean, he's a very athletic guy. He ran a four four one I think at forty at the combine, got a lot of speed. My main comp for him is sort of a nihem Hines plus someone who I mean, he did it all at app State and Nihim Hines obviously did the same thing at at NC State, but Hinz, I think Evans has a little bit more upside as an early down runner, and he has the pass catching chops as well, and I just love the He's very, very dynamic with the ball in his hands. Um, so I'm very very intrigued. You know, he's someone if you have a team that has a solid enough early down runner um that you can pair a change of pace and a guy that's sort of the satellite back plus with I think he's that that's the kind of team that should be looking for a guy like Evans. I mean, realistically, that's sort of what you could have seen with Jacksonville if they weren't trying to trade Leonard Fournette. I think that he would make sense in a backfield with him. But that's sort of the player that I that I see with with Evans. He's he's he's got the receiving chops with a little bit of upside. One of the teams that I've identified for kind of that change of pace running back potentially, you know, for a future. You know, workhorse is Atlanta, Right, you bring in Todd Gurley, you move on from DeVonta Freeman, the guy's behind them. I don't feel great about Brian Hill Quadrea Allison. So I think with Todd Gurley, you just don't know his long term outlook. He's on a one year contract. Would we tags if we saw Darrenton Evans land in Atlanta to be that change of pace running back. You know where would we be looking at him from a dynasty perspective, Well, they've continually used a time share there even and you're going back to DeVonta Freeman's heyday. Tevin Coleman was mixed in getting you know, twelve touches per game, ten to twelve touches around that range. And I like Darrenton Evans a lot. I have actually I moved him up to my number seven running back in this draft. I like him quite a bit. And uh, the the worrisome part is that he teetering on that two hundred pound mark, and that's typically what NFL teams worry about. But the further that we get into the new NFL and what we're doing, like the passing NFL, and the reason that I like Clyde Edwards Hilaire so much is because they don't really worry as much about that weight because they're using the passing games so much. Darrenson Evans is extremely elusive in the open field. He can be a weapon in the right offense, and you could see a team like maybe even the Saints take a shot on him late in the draft because Alvin Kamara, we know his contract is up next year, and if the Saints don't plan on resigning him, they could slide someone in like Darrenton Evans into that spot. Do you see those as like similar type players or are they very very, very different? But tax is just talking about a role. Yeah, I think it's more the role that he would end up playing than anything else. It's always it's always hard to comp anyone to Oh, I'm not common him to Alvin Kmaria for sure. Of course, I'm definitely not definitely wouldn't think that you would, um, But yeah, I mean I think that's definitely the kind of role that we would see with Evans. I don't think that he's going to be you know, this two hundred and fifty carry back, but I think that he could be realistically one hundred and fifty carry back that has a lot of juice as a receiver. Yeah. And he's going pretty late in Dynasty rookie drafts right now too, so he's one of those guys. Landing spot of course is going to matter for where he goes, but he could be, you know, someone who shoots up draft boards. Once we know his landing spot. All right, tags you're up next year? Who are we talking about? I mean should we? I mean we probably should mention Joe Burrow. I mean the probably quarterback in the draft, the best player in the draft. I mean, I mean Joe Burrow. You're gonna hear his name called number one overall. And I don't think that the Bengals are treating it. I don't think they should treat it. I don't think it really matters what they get in return, because you're not going to find, you know, a record setting quarterback every single year. I mean, this is a team with Zach Taylor, he had an unfair shake basically in his first year as there as the head coach. And I think this offense can actually be pungent. Their defense needs some work, for sure, But but Joe Burrow is the guy. He looks poised to the thing I like most about him that you always worry about rookie quarterbacks coming into the NFL as if they get rattled under pressure, and Burrow has this calmness about his game that he doesn't. He doesn't worry abo getting hit. He like he feels the pressure and he moves with it, but he doesn't overreact to it. Someone like Justin Herbert, I see him overreacting to it at points and then throwing off weird angles and that's going to lead to problems. But I don't see it with Burrow. And I honestly, I actually think he's going to have redraft value in twenty twenty with the Bengals, And I'm sure JJ is gonna be talking about him on his podcast about late round quarterbacks and guys to stream, because I believe he's going to be a very guy that's gonna be picked up very very early in the year once they see what he can actually do with the receivers they have there in Cincinnati. Yeah, JJ, is Joe Burrow someone that we should be looking at for redraft leagues, which, let's preface this, like rookie quarterbacks for redraft leagues, like you typically stay away. Yeah, I mean, I think it's one of those situations where you can make you know, he's sort of in this giant bucket with a lot of guys that where you can make the case that they're going to be a lower end QB one sort of plug in play starter down the stretch, but you're not going You're not gonna have to spend anything to get someone like that, So he's going to enter the season most likely as a streamer. But I agree with Tags. I think he's a really really good prospect. Underrated mobility too, which could really help from a fantasy standpoint. My top comp for him right now is Tony Romo. I think that's sort of the type of player that we're looking at, where he can escape the pocket and do a lot there. And I'm with Tags too. I think the Bengals offense in general could be really really dynamic with some really underrated pass catchers on that team, So I'm excited to see what they do with Burrow. Yeah, I've said this that I don't necessarily think Burrow is the highest you know, ceiling quarterback in this class, but he is. He has the highest floor. Like if he busts, it will be one of the most talking things that I've ever seen, just because he was so good this last year and he brings all the traits that you look for when scouting a quarterback into the NFL. I don't know who would have a higher ceiling though, Like I mean, that's the thing is, like you Jordan Love as far as the ceiling, Jordan Lovewood he has the lowest floor though. I mean the thing is what Burrow His ceiling is already so high. I think he could say like he has the least amount of because he's already kind of of course sure like ready. But yeah, Jordan Love is that's interesting. I'm actually mocking him to the Saints at twenty four. I'm doing it. Jordan Love is a guy that I don't like very much. But if he falls into the right offense and gets tutored correctly, like doesn't it's not asked to start for a year or two. I think that's the best case scenario, and you kind of hope you have lightning in a bottle with him. How are you gonna do Taysom Hill? Like that tags the guy that has like one hundred career passes thirteen thirteen career pass attempts the future quarterback of the New Orleans Taysom Hill. Nope, I do not agree with that one. Okay, well, I'm gonna go with a quarterback who I really really hope has more than thirteen career pass attempts. That it's too a tongue of iloa out of Alabama. He's someone who I mean, I have him really close behind Joe Burrow from a tape perspective, From an evaluation perspective, this is a guy who does not flinch in the face of pressure. He has mobility, He's accurate at all levels of the field, throws with touch, timing, anticipation, everything that you look for from a college quarterback and projecting them to the NFL. The only thing, the only reason that he would bust or become someone who you know doesn't make it in the NFL is his injury history and injury concerns. Those are real. We can't you know, we can't ignore that. So to a tongue of Bloa is an extremely polished prospect and someone who I'm really really excited to see. I think if he was healthy and he didn't have that fractured hip injury, I was on another podcast this morning and I said that if we could reverse time, you know, we could go back and magically prevent that injury from happening. I think we would have more of a controversy here at the one oh one with Cincinnati as far as who they'd be taking between two and Joe Burrow. But this is the world that we're living in, and there's a possibility that we could see to a fall because of his injury concerns. JJ, do you actually see that happening at all in this NFL draft where TWA could fall behind let's say, pick number six. I think it's all smoke right now. I think there's enough. I mean, we've seen historically teams take such risks. I understand they're not always medical risks, but just such risks on quarterbacks early in drafts that I just I don't necessarily see it happening. Anything's possible, of course, um, but but I think that you know, this is a situation where if you do like you just said, if you remove the medicals, he's an incredibly polished prospect who would easily be in the number one overall conversation in a you know, if those medicals were a race. So I think because of that, teams are going to be willing to risk it absolutely. All right, Well, JJ, let's turn it right back around to you. Who you got up next? All right, let's talk about Justin Jefferson. Yeah. I think he's he's a very very fun prospect. PF charted him as only playing five snaps out wide last year, so so we're gonna see him play a slot role in the NFL. But um, you know, he's he came through with a really like I feel like his his draft stock really rose at the combine because of his quickness and his speed. And I think you can see that though too. I mean, but you're looking at again if you use that same sort of argument with cech where it's like, this guy had unbelievable production in the best offense and best team in college football, where there's going to be strong competition, and his numbers look unbelievable, you have something special there and something interesting there. I see him from a comp standpoint as sort of like a faster Cooper Cup, someone who can produce in that way as well. Realistically, though, his analytical comp is Nelson Agelore oh yis but which is not great. But I think to be fair, to be fair to that comp, I think a lot of what Nelson Ageloor struggled with in the NFL has been between the ears more than anything else. Of course, sure, so I don't think the comp is that like that insane or as insane as it as it feels like and looks you know. But I think from like a production standpoint in what he could do in the kind of role that he can play in offense at the NFL level is more in line with like a Cooper Cup. And I think some people are going to criticize Jefferson and say, well, he was playing with Burrow and obviously Jamar Chase is there, and they had a very talented unit. But I think that that's one of those things that I go back to at Jefferson and Burrow and those guys, is that when you get special players on both both the quarterback end wide receiver, that's when records happen. And that's what happened at LSU this past year. So Jefferson should not be docked for that. For playing with Burrow, he took care of his job. He was the best receiver that he basically he had the most production in terms of who he was throwing too. I love Jefferson. I thought he would fall to the Saints before the combine, and I thought the Saints would be a perfect landing spot for that, like big old Marcus Colston role. But after that combine, I don't think he's falling there, And it seems like the Eagles or the team that is going to land him, which makes sense for the Nelson Agilo role that is vacated if he is there. So let's say that he does go to the Eagles, JJ were do you think he has redraft appeal or is it more just about dynasty. I do think he has some redraft appeal. The weird thing with the Eagles, as we know, they run a lot of twelve personnel, which which doesn't I mean, they're going to have to shift to more of the way that they ran things when they won the Super Bowl. I do think that part of the twelve personnel that we and what they've done the last couple of years has been out of like necessity almost because they've they've lost so many wide receivers to injuries and whatnot. So I think they'd have to change things up because obviously slot receivers in that type of formation aren't going to be able to do as much. But if you're going to spend at justin Jefferson, we're going to see a lot more eleven and I think that just given that offense, and I mean he could easily be a one hundred and twenty target guy. His rookie year, especially if Alshan Jeffery gets hurt as well, which was inevitable. Yes he will right, all right, tags, who do you got here? All right? Yeah, I'll just say that. I mean, I want to mention Andrew Thomas is the best left tackle in this in this class. I do believe that. I believe he's the most pro ready and if the Browns don't make a trade for Trent Williams, I believe that Andrew Thomas is the pick at ten if he lasts there. I think this is one of those things where people continually look for upside and McKay Beckton and all these guys and Tristan Worth's and at some point teams stepped back and say, yes, these guys are crazy athletes and they have tremendous upside, but we want a guy that's going to come in and play right now. These teams neat players right now. And Andrew Thomas, I mean, he's just he's ready to play left tackle in the NFL. Yeah, it's an important point that you bring up their tags, especially because of all the uncertainty with are they going to have training camp? Are they going to have all the you know, these different activities throughout the offseason. You need someone who can come in and play right away, especially for an offense like Cleveland. And Andrew Thomas is a force against the run, and that's what they want to be doing there, what they want to be building up. So I think that's a dream scenario for him. All right, I'm going to bring up a quarterback here that I know not a lot of people are huge fans of. I still really like him. That's Jake From quarterback out of Georgia. He's someone that fits the what I look for when scouting the quarterback position, and that's a quick mental processor, accurate at all levels of the field and can diagnose a defense quickly, right, And that's we've seen these experiments with these quarterbacks who have, you know, huge arms, great mobility, all this, but they can't read and diagnose a defense quickly, and we see them flame out, you know, and after a few years of trying to make it work where you can scheme your you know, around your quarterback to trying to give them one read plays and all that, but you know, at some point you have to expand your offense. Jake From has the ability to walk into a West Coast style offense and be a starter from day one. Even though he doesn't have as strong of an arm as Justin Herbert in this class Jordan Love, he can still get it done at the NFL level. So he's someone when I'm watching him, I see him and compare him to like a Derek Carr. I think Derek Carr has a little bit more of a stronger arm, but I still think that Jake From brings everything that you want from a character, perspective, leadership to the quarterback position. I think we're going to see him going like the second or third round and he could be a starter within a year. JJ have you watched you know, have you looked at Jake From Have you watched him at all? What are your takeaways? Yeah, and you make a I agree with you with a quarterback position. You know, Mike Leach has always said that the one skill that you can't teach is accuracy, and he has that. From has that. I think the best comp that I heard was from my colleague jim Sonnez who came on my show and talked about him, and it was Chad Pennington. I think that's sort of the the easy go to where you have a guy that might not have the arm strength, but at least has the mental capacity and is incredibly accurate with the ball. So I too don't mind From. I don't know if he he has a huge ceiling, but I do think that he at least could be a serviceable guy, you know, if your team needs him. Yeah. I usually hate watching those quarterback prospects like From. And I remember you're telling me that you liked him, and I was like, I got to him. I'm like, oh, okay, and I liked him so much more than I thought I would. I really do wish the Bears would have kind of held out and not traded for Nick Foles and selected From and you know, maybe trade back in that second round into the third and take From. I believe that he can run an offense. You know, if he were to go to the Patriots, let's say that they were able to land him, you know, via trade like moving back or something like that, and land him, I think he would walk in and do perfectly fine. It's almost like an Andy Dalton type player, where you don't expect the biggest ceiling, but you have an accurate quarterback that can move the chains as long as the offense is designed well and from the processing is there too. He doesn't check down as much as Derek Carr. He may not have the arm that car does, but I also don't think from checks down. And he didn't have receivers. Let's let's not pretend that he had like top notch receivers at Georgia. He really didn't. I mean, is Ridley like the best like wide receiver that he was playing with? I mean, yeah, yeah, Javon Wims at one point, yeah, Javon Wims and no, right, yeah. I think with New England, you know, that was what I was actually going to ask you tax was where you know, if does New England make sense? And we've heard buzz that they might be looking to like retool their scheme and you know, maybe looking for a more mobile quarterback. But I think you like take Jake from take him out of college and just drop him right into that offense. If it were to stay the same, I think they wouldn't miss a beat. I think he could. He's someone who you need us surround him with playmakers. Of course, he's not going to be the guy who breaks away for you know, and does things on his own, breaks away for a big play. But he can be he can be a capable quarterback. So all right, JJ, let's go with one more here and then we'll do some rapid fire questions. Who do you got here? All right, let's let's talk about someone who I've struggled with a lot, because there's there's some issues that I have with his production profile and the analytical side of things, but I don't necessarily see it as much when I watch him. It's Brandon Ayuk. You know, if you look at his journey, if you will, played a couple of years at duke ball, then he doesn't do much with nikkiel Harry being the number one there at Arizona State last year or two years ago, and then last year he comes through with some strong production, but that gave him a bad breakout age and all of that. And I've seen a lot of people say, well, why can't we, you know, essentially make excuses for this guy because you know, he played juco ball and he was behind nikkiel Harry. That's part of the reason why, you know, we look at things like breakout age because it tells you that this guy was or this player that you're looking at was really good at a young age and in a prolific program. But when I watch him, I think he has a lot of of pro readiability and I liked what I could what I saw out of him yards after the catch, and what he could do if he has space. So I'm intrigued by him. And and as a result of all that, by the way, it was so so difficult to find a comp for him, because again I start with the numbers and then I kind of whittled down five to ten guys and then find players who really fit the way that this guy looks. The best one I could come up with was Terrence william I am now seeing. You know, we see IYUK be mocked at times earlier in the process, in the first round and into the second round, etc. And I guarantee no one wanted to draft a Terrence Williams type player there, So I'm curious too. I wanted to bring him up just to see where you guys were with him. Yeah, tax I'll let you go first. I Uk is someone that I watched the first game, because I think I watched a total of five games at him, And when I watched the first one, I was like, what do people seeing him, I'SI a first round talent, and then I watched another game and it was like, Okay, that was better, and then another one it was better, and then I went back to a bad one. So there was inconsistency in his play. For sure. I think that he would actually fit a team like the Packers, but I actually am going to mock him in the second round to the Jets because they're just a team that feels like they're just going to reach on a player on based on potential and what they see in the high points. They got bushod Paam into a one year deal, but I think the Jets are a team to watch because I don't think the Jets take a wide receiver with their first pick. I think they're gonna go offensive tackle. So I I like him. I again, he's one of those guys that I feel like a number two receiver And that's why I felt like Green Bay would be the ideal landing spot for him because he would pair well with someone like Davante Adams playing that possession style role, and you have Byuk who can stretch the field and do some other things as well. But I'm kind of with you in terms of and I think Yates is along the same path, so it's it's weird that we all feel this way. But he was a guy that I kind of went up and down on and I saw flashes of what could be a player, but then I saw other times where I was kind of like, yeah, he's kind of just a guy. Yeah. Well, I wrote up Brandon I Yuke's rookie profile for the scouting series that Tags and I've been doing, and I wrote in there I said, Brandon Aiyuk has been my most difficult evaluation to this point because I watched the first three games that I watched were Michigan State, Oregon State, and Oregon all in twenty nineteen, and Oregon he showed flashes he had a good game, but Michigan State and Oregon State were not good games. And I walked away and I was like, what in the world are people seeing that they're ranking this guy as a potential first round pick, especially in this class. And then I doubled back and I watched Washington State in Arizona, and I was like, Okay, well, this seems like an entirely different player. So I don't know if I was just like, I don't know what happened. I really don't know what to do with Brandon Aiyuk because I see a player who has great long speed, but I don't see great stop startability. You know, he's someone who can build up ahead of steam and can be that player who can get down field quickly, But yeah, I don't see great you know, start stoppability. He doesn't cut in and out of his brakes really easily, really well. So it's like, Okay, how is that going to translate to the next level. I'm really really scared of Brandon Aiyuk from a dynasty perspective. He's probably going to be someone who I do not have any shares of, just because, like you said, JJ, it's very hard to find a comp a comp for him. It's a really weird athletic testing profile, especially for the role that he's going to be used in running a four to five. You know, you want this guy, if he's going to be a field stretcher, to be a low four fours maybe even four three guys. So it's like, Okay, what do we what do we do with him? Yeah, that's I think all of us are in the same boat here and that, and I'm pretty sure ayuk is going before guys like Michael Pittman and Donovan People's Jones and rookie drafts. Right now, I don't. I don't think I would do that. Yep, I agree, all right, So your last one here? Who do you want to bring up? My last one? I'll bring up Anton Winfield, junior safety out of Minnesota. I like him an awful lot, and I know we've talked about Jeremy Chinn potentially going to the Bears in the second round. I want Winfield if all of the Bears. I feel like he'd be great along alongside Eddie Jackson. He's not the biggest guy, but he plays with tons of effort and it kind of reminds me of a way that we viewed Devin Bush last year to the Steelers. He was a guy that was undersized as a linebacker, but the effort was continually there. And I loved him as a player, and he played well in his rookie year, so I expect him to continue to develop. Winfield if he goes at the end of the first round, I would absolutely not be shocked because I think the talent is there. Yeah, you have the pedigree right with his dad playing in the NFL, which is important to NFL teams ball skills for days. He's just a playmaker on the back end, and he ran a lot faster at the combine than I thought he was going to, so he could potentially even be that single high safety, which when scouting his tape, I was like, I wonder if this guy is going to be able to do that. He might just be a Cover two kind of primarily guy, and he brings some verse fatility with being able to play you know, corner slot corner. So yeah, definitely would not be shocked to see him just very similar to what we saw with Darnell Savage last year. You know, to see him move up into the late first round, would not be shocked, all right. The guy that I'll bring up here is Derek Brown, the interior defensive lineman out of Auburn. He is most likely going to be a top ten pick. He is a monster against the run, just brings, you know, the ability to occupy multiple blockers and then be able to shed them to still make the play. Brings that interior presence too in the pass rush game, even though it's not his best trait still brings that, you know, tags and are diehard, diehard Bears fans. So we watch the effect that a guy like a Kiem Hicks has on the interior when he gets going. You know, he's forced against the run, but yet helps out Khalil Mack and the edge rushers. So I think that we're gonna see Derek Brown still go within the top ten, even though he had a confusing combine. I still think he's going to go in the top ten and he's going to be a foundational building block piece for a defense for a long time. Tags. Where do you think Derek Brown could go in the top ten? Where where do you have him going? There's no rumors but he's gonna go to the Lions that they're gonna pass No Kuda and take Derek Brown. I don't think that's I don't think that's real. I think that's more of the smoke stuff. But I have Derek Brown fallen to the Panthers at seven. They're a team that just needs playmakers hun defense like everywhere, so yeah anything, yeah, I mean that team is just it's ugly. Man. Even before free agency hit, that team was a pretty ugly on defense and it only got worse. So they need to go defense with that pick. It's just a matter of where, and I think Derek Brown falls there, yep, for sure. All right, guys, Well that is the end of the roundtable discussion bringing up some of these players again. Man, We're so close to this NFL Draft coming up. I'm so excited. We're gonna do some rapid fire questions here, guys. I'm gonna get both of your takes on this, so we'll do for each question. I've got ten questions here, guys, so we're gonna try to go through them as quickly as we can, and I'm gonna ask JJ first and then TAGS you'll you'll provide your input as well. So all right, JJ, what teams inside the top ten are most likely to make a trade? Yeah? I think one answer is Detroit. You know, Stafford was on pace to have probably his bet or one of his best seasons with Darryl Bevil last season, so I don't think they're necessarily thinking quarterback there, and so they feel fine in that position. I think it's just going to be a spot where a lot of teams will end up wanting. So I think Detroit is an easy go to. Yep, Detroit, Detroit and the Chargers is who I think. I think that's going to be a trade that happens awesome, all right, JJ, What teams picking middle to late in the first round are most likely to make a trade? Yeah? So, I mean generally speaking, I'm looking for teams that have little equity or a lot of equity to move up, and then teams that just need a lot of help. I know that teams are or there have been rumors of the Chiefs trading up to get Henry Ruggs, which would be out of control, but them sitting at thirty two. I'm always intrigued by the last pick in the first round because teams get really antsy and they want to get their guy once that's over, and they don't have a lot of draft equity either. So I think the Chiefs are actually an interesting team that would then trade down to get out of that spot because there's just going to be someone that some team really really wants before Day one is over. Yep, my pick would be the Falcons. They reportedly want to trade into the top ten, and so I would I would look to them as potentially a team that would trade up and then another one trading back would be either the Patriots or the Seahawks. Yeah, for sure. Death taxes and the Seahawks trading in the first round. Yeah, JJ. Who may be the most surprising player taken in the first round? Yeah, we talked about it earlier. I think it's Michael Pittman at the end of the first I think that he has that alpha potential. And you know, we already talked through it. There's already been some mocks where he's going to teams like Green Bay. So Michael Pittman's my pick. I'm gonna go Cole Comet tight end out of Notre Dame. I stood by this one a little bit, and I know there's a lot of people out there that don't feel there's a tight end that deserves to go in the first round, if not two rounds. But NFL teams always surprise us, and Cole Comet is probably the most well rounded tight end in terms of like traditional tight end. And the Patriots are the team that I think they're going to trade back to the end of the first round and probably select commit there. It would make sense if there was a team to draft Commet in the first round, it would be the Patriots. All Right, will a running back get taken in the first round. JJ, I'm gonna say yes, but I think if you're betting on it, there's a little bit more juice on the no, and I would go yeah, it's like one and a half. I think, yeah, so I would. I would. I would lean that way if I were betting. That's how close I basically think it is. I think it's more of a fifty fifty thing rather than it being swayed towards towards the yes. Agreed. It's tough for me to say, like, I can't accurately say what team will draft a running back because I feel like it'd be a reach. I have my first running back coming off the board at two oh five in my mock. So I'm gonna say no, but I know it's probably gonna happen, though for sure. All Right, how many wide receivers will get taken in the first round since the class is so strong? Yeah, I think Judy lamb Rugs all locks. Jefferson seems to be a lock too, but given the depth, I could see only maybe one or two more going because teams feel comfortable with what they can get in the second and third. So I you know, the line in most books right now is at like six and a half. I think it should be more at like five and a half. So I'm gonna say five to six as opposed to they're being more than six. That's perfect. That's exactly where i'd go, And I t Higgins is probably the last one that I think goes the end of the first round. So I'm gonna, yeah, I'm gonna say that I'll go with six, But five to six feels like a good number to me. And we talked about this at the end of our YouTube show yesterday that we did about, you know, teams with being so deep at wide receivers, teams feeling okay to pass on one in the first round. Six and a half seems like a really high line. That's insane. Yea, all right, which team is most likely to select two wide receivers in the first two days? For contexts there first two days is rounds one through three. Yeah. So when I was building projections out a couple months ago, a month and a half ago, whatever, I was looking at the Jets and I'm like, how is this a wide receiving group right now? Yea, Like, how is this? There's no semblance of anything there. So given the fact that they have four top eighty picks, I think that they're definitely a team that's going to look that way. And then Oakland's another one. They have five top ninety one picks, So I think they're a team that could maybe go with like a CD Lamb in the first and then just kind of throw a dart and hope that they can get someone strong on day two hit on the head. The Jets my pick, Yeah, they need help Roshad Perriman, Quincy and Noon Wad, Jamison Crowder, Josh Dockson. It's a one year deal for Perriman two. I know, yeah, it's it's not great. All right. Let's see here, how far could Labiscus Chenault's injury concerns push him down in the draft. Labiscus Chenault, of course, the wide receiver, kind of playmaker out of Colorado. I think he'd be almost locked into a late first or even mid first potentially if he didn't have the medicals. Because of what we've seen over the last couple of years with with really crafty offensive coordinators, whether it be with Deebo, Samuel A. J. Brown, those kind of yak guys and Obviously, Chanult's essentially a wide receiver playing in a running backs body, and you know, you get him into space, he can do a whole lot with the ball. But with the medicals, I'd still be shocked if he went past like round two. I still think he's going to go there, but you never know with medicals in the way that teams view that kind of stuff. I have him at the starter round three. Actually, I do believe that players that are dealing with injuries, this is like, it's pretty crappy that it's affecting him like this because they obviously didn't know this is going to happen. But but yeah, having that core surgery after the combined teams haven't been able to meet with them, there's definitely concerns there. So I haven't going at the top of the third run makes sense. Another thing to keep in mind too, with Brandon aiyuk had surgery rest it was either growing or core muscles. So something to keep in mind too, especially when we're talking about ayukim where he could land up all right, which established big name NFL player is most likely to get moved during the NFL draft, So I think that the one position that's intriguing with this kind of question is the running back position, because teams are becoming more and more savvy about getting rid of their running backs before they have to pay them and get that second contract. Obviously we're already hearing that with Leonard Fournette, and then there are other running backs in situations where you know, there's there's a lot of guys who can who you know, they're like third on their depth chart now, like a Royce Freeman or a Tevin Coleman even. But one name that I've seen be thrown around a little bit and it doesn't not make sense is Alvin Kamara because the Saints are going to be are going to be set to a decision as to if they want to pay him or not. Um, it's definitely more rumor driven than anything else. But we're seeing teams more and more, you know, try to get rid of these running backs and not have to pay up to keep them around. And we also know I'm not saying that Alvin Kamara is a system running back, don't get me wrong whenever I say this, but we also know that that's an environment where a lot of running backs can thrive. So so Kamara would be would be my pick, A sort of like an interesting fun one. Yeah. Um that that definitely would be an interesting one, expect. And the reason I don't see it is just because the Saints are in it to win it this year. I think we know, yeah, totally other a team that I actually I might pick them to win the Super Bowl. That's such a it's a well balanced team. Um, Breeze is still playing well. But I I mean Trent Williams is the obvious answer here. Yannick is another obvious one, but I'm gonna go, um, it's not he's not established. But I think Josh Rosen, I think he gets traded to and I've mentioned him to the Patriots because that that fit kind of makes sense. The Patriots kind of picking up the scraps there and saying, well, well we'll deal with Josh Rosen. That could make some sense. That would be that would make so much sense, and it would set the world on fire. Okay, to what degree might COVID nineteen and the drafts and virtual set up this year have on the amount of trades executed during the draft. So I thought about this. You could go two different ways. Really, I think you could make the case that there will be fewer trades because teams are worried about like the communication aspect of things. You know, they might not be able to communicate effectively, you know, amongst themselves to get a deal done. But then you could also make the argument, and I think this is sort of the argument that I'm I would lean towards that there would be more trades because I think we're going to see teams, I mean, we're likely going to see drafts that are insane because of the way that the pre draft process went and the amount of time they were able to spend with these players and etc. So we're going to see a lot of wide range of evaluation on these players. And as a result, I thought, I don't think teams are going to be able to understand the market as well. And if that's the case, they're going to have likely going to have some takelock on some players. And if there's takelock, and if they really want to have this one particular guy, they're going to be more inclined to trade up to get that guy. So I'm going to it might be contrarian, I have no idea, but I'm going to side with more just because of that aspect. I think that teams believe that, but I think it's gonna be the less because, especially when you get outside the first round, the time that's required to do all this stuff and like submit things online, I think more teams are gonna be a little bit paranoid about things getting done in time and then all of a sudden not being a rush that you're on the clock. I don't know how. I don't know how that process honestly works in terms of like what they're doing right now to submit picks and make sure that both teams agree to it to the NFL, and then they get a pass and it's like okay, because they never they don't restart the timer when the trade is made, that team has to take over and make their pick, and if there's if there's a hold up in that, it could really screw things up for NFL teams. So I do believe that it's going to make teams a little bit more, especially later in the draft when when we shorten the minutes, like in the first round, ten minutes a pick. I honestly thought that they were going to extend the time needed to make those picks just because of the situation. But If they're not doing that, I believe there's going to be less even though I do believe teams might want to trade out of this draft that are kind of rebuilding just because they don't want to take the risk right now. Yeah yeah, I mean we heard that the NFL is willing to pause the draft clock to make sure that trades can be facilitated. So tags you're in my live stream on Thursday night could turn into five and a half hours. You're I mean, I'm there for it, man, All right, Final question here, guys, which teams between the Colts, Packers, Saints, and Steelers grab a quarterback before Day three. I'm gonna say the Steelers won't because they don't have much draft equity. I could see the Saints doing it early, but I think the Colts are kind of intriguing if a quarterback does end up dropping further than expected, just because they have a couple of second round basically three picks between thirty four and seventy five, So if a guy does drop then they would be a little intriguing there. But I think the Saints might be the team that ends up getting one if they're of those teams that would get one. In the first Yeah, I have the Saints, says the first team grabbing one. I do have the Steelers taking a quarterback on the second round. I know, and I was gonna ask you about that, JJ, because you're obviously a Steelers guy. But that's a team that it's another well rounded team, a team that's built to win right now. Now they can use an edge, they could use a couple a couple pieces. But if Ben Roethlisberger were to go down, or if he's not recovered from this elbow injury like that, that's a big injury, right and he's thirty eight years old. Let's not pretend that he's a young quarterback that you're expecting to just balance back. You know, all of your hopes and dreams kind of go to crap if you have to go back to Mason Rudolph, right, a guy that lost his job to Duck Hodges. So taking someone like Jalen Hurts right there, it kind of makes sense for me. He's a guy that's played in the big stage. He'd be able to walk in. I believe he'd be able to play for them right away. That's why I have the Steelers taking a quarterback. There just because I can't see them going forward with the backups that they have, especially with Roethlisberger where he's at in his career. Yeah, my fear is that they're gonna not be very smart about it and go like running. That would be the worst. Yeah. All right, guys, Well that is it for today's show. Thank you so much to JJ for coming on. Man, JJ, we really appreciate you taking some time out of your busy schedule. I know we were talking. We've all got kids. This is like crazy time for all of us. We appreciate you taking some time out of your day. Yeah, thanks for having me on. Appreciate you guys having me on as always for sure, and remember to follow JJ on Twitter at Late Round QB. You can find Tags and I both on Twitter at Mike tag Lei or NFL and at Kyle y NFL. Guys, make sure that you're tuning in Thursday night to the NFL Draft live stream. Tags and myself are going to be on there for again, five and a half hours, six hours, whatever it takes, we're gonna be here. Tags have we decided no bathroom breaks. This is this thing I think that's happened. I might have like a funnel down below my desk. Okay, all right, I didn't need to know that we're moving on. Okay, well, guys, thank you so much for tuning into the Fantasy Pros Football podcast. Huge thank you again to Skylight and Pristine Auction for sponsoring today's podcast. 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