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Welcome to Fandom Shmandom, the fandom podcast
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that covers everything you love and more. I'm
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Sierra Obermark. And I'm Sam Williams. Today's
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episode, we will be annoyingly articulating about
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Stranger Things, Season 3, Episodes 5 through
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7. Without further ado, we will, as Roger Smith
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says, dive on in. So get up to 88, because it's
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time to travel back. To our story recap. The
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mall crew, Dustin, Steve, Robin, and Erica, are
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stuck at the bottom of a very deep elevator shaft.
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But now they have company, allowing them to escape
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into a Russian underground base, no less. The
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same base where the gate -opening machine lives.
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Joyce and Hoop have kidnapped the Russian scientist,
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Alexei. and are trying to outrun the muscle Gregory,
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and make it to Illinois to visit Hooper's friend,
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who turns out to be Murray. Aha, Murray! Nancy
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and Jonathan have gone to find the kids to make
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sure Will is safe and figure out how to get the
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Flayed free of the Mind Flayer's clutches. Too
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bad if you fight and kill a flayed, they just
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turn into a really disgusting gelatinous blob.
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That when formed together, creates a horrifying
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monster. Episode 6. Steve and Robin are caught
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by the Russians, who torture Steve into finding
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out who he's working for. Nancy narrowly escapes
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the goo form of the monster, thanks to Elle.
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And Billy and Heather say it is time. Time for
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what? We don't know. because the monsters and
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Flayed have vanished. And while fighting his
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friends about Elle searching for them, Mike reveals
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he loves Elle. Elle dives into the in -between
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and Billy's memories to locate the source. Hopper,
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Joyce, and Murray are trying to get answers out
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of Alexi, who is being purposefully difficult,
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but eventually explains about how they have opened
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the gate. They call to tip off Owens and head
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back to Hawkins. Dustin and Erica to the rescue.
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They save Steve and Robin, but Elle is in danger.
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She tries to leave the memories, but gets stuck
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in the middle with Billy. While the rest of the
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Flayed leave the fireworks festivities and join
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the creature. Literally. Episode 7. But guys,
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don't worry about everything that has just happened.
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It's fun, fair time. Well, for some people. But
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for L and company, the Shadow Monster is on its
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way, and they must prepare themselves as best
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they can. Both L and the Shadow Monster are injured
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in the fight, but the group manages to escape.
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Max comes in clutch with first aid knowledge,
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and Lucas gets the idea to help L by using fireworks
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on the Shadow Monster. Mike! Uses the downtime
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to awkwardly stumble around, professing his Louvre.
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Nailed it! Well, it's Mike, so he didn't, but
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that's fine. The mall crew exit the base. Pursued
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by a bear. Nope, this isn't Shakespeare. Pursued
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by Russians! It doesn't help anyone that Steve
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and Robin were drugged out of their minds. But
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they are trapped in the mall. Joyce and Hoop
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rush! to save their kids, accompanied by Alexei
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and Murray, who give the non -couple a hilarious
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talking to. They begin the search at the fair,
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where the mayor calls in the Russians. Alexei
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is finally enjoying himself in America's capitalistic
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movement, and looking forward to becoming a capitalistic
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American, when he is killed by a non -capitalistic
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The Muscle. I know, Sierra, I'm sorry. Cue the
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overmark, sad overmark. Dun, dun, dun. Also,
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cue everyone meeting up in penultimate fashion.
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The adults here, we have kids. They are stealing
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them all over the radio, which that's not a Russian
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accent at all, but thank you for being here and
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still listening, everyone. The mall crew in question
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are hiding and saved by the kid kids. Sam, find
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your donut holes. It's time for our Knives Out
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category, where we sleuth out which three storylines
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are the most vital to pay attention to. Number
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one, The Gate. Number two, The Scientist. And
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number three, The Flayed. Okay, so this first
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one, The Gate. So, run everyone! Steven. Dear
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Steven. And Ruben. Dear Robin. They sacrifice
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their safety to let Dustin and Erica find some
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help. So Steve is then interrogated. Robin and
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Steve are then drugged. Dustin and Erica find
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deadly weapons. One of the best parts. One of
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the best lines. We'll get there. They distract
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the guards. They shocked the evil, druggie scientist.
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And then they escape to the movies where they
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witness back to the future. Dustin calls Mike
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for help because they're all stranded at the
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mall and they need a ride to escape the Russians.
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Drugged out Steve and Robin escape the movie
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theater to the bathroom where they vomit and
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Steve confesses his love. But Robin doesn't like
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men, so they are the best of friends but not
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lovers. Baby turned babysitter Dustin finds them,
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is super cross that they're having a great time,
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and then Russians start crawling over them all
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and they cannot escape. So, Sierra, what are
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your feelings about why this is important? This
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just really, first of all, keeps them stuck in
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the mall, which is the whole crux of, you know,
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I feel like a theme throughout the different
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seasons is wherever we end up spending time in
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the very first episode is often where the big
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battle will take place in the last episode. There's
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the school, and now here we have the mall. I
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think partially it's to set up the location.
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Also, it's so that we get an insider's look into
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what this base actually looks like when it is
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operating, because we're going to need to go
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back into it. So in order for them to actually
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make it into the base, per Alexei's instructions,
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we also need to have had eyes in there as well,
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not just a crudely drawn map. It's very, very
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helpful that Dustin and Erica, with their wits
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about them, have been crawling literally all
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over this base and therefore know what's going
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on in there. Yeah, I mean, I think this – it
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certainly helps to give more stakes to what the
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Russians are like as people. Like, you know,
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we're seeing them – it's not just, oh, this is
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the 1980s, the Cold War is still going on. Right.
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Reagan has not told Gorbachev to tear down the
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wall yet, so therefore they must be evil. No,
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we're seeing them be evil in their governmental
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pursuits and in two different factions, right?
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We'll also see it with the muscle, but also right
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here where they're drugging teenagers and don't
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believe the story of what's happening or any
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of that nature. So that's important. And then,
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like you're saying, The fact that we've got two
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people with their wits about them crawling around
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who are able to then give instructions to Hopper,
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Murray, and Joyce when they descend next our
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episode, but the finale of the show, that's also
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hugely, hugely important for closing the gate,
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which is the only thing that will take out this
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no longer shadow monster, the meat monster. Gross
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blob. Gross indeed. I think the other reason
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why this storyline is important as well is because
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of the levity that it brings with Steve and Robin,
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both being highly comedic, their entire being
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drugged with truth serum or whatever they give
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them. you know, rolling around on the floor and
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giggling at the movie and eating the popcorn.
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And then they end up having this really nice
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heart to heart, which is just so sweet. And so
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I feel like it brings the comedy, but then also
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just the sincerity and really seeing what a great
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friendship looks like. So it's fun. Plus we get
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Erica. And her sassiness. Oh, my gosh. Erica
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and her sassiness is just – Thrown into everything.
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Is she – you know, she was so annoying for both
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of us for so long. And then this episode, she's
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so endearing to me. Mm -hmm. Which I just love.
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She's very fun. And also, I think, thirdly, the
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other thing that's really important here is both
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for what this does for Steve's character, but
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also the overall story of this show and the way
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it's presenting to the audience that it is. We've
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got Steve. Who is able, with a couple blinks,
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but no more hesitation, to accept Robin for who
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she is. Showing us how incredible of a human
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being Steve is. Definitely, you know, a huge
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turnabout from what you would assume about his
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character at the beginning of season one. And
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setting him up more as this empathetic, understanding,
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intellectual. uh, an intellectually thoughtful,
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at least person that Nancy will kind of come
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to revitalize her, her love for in season four.
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Um, but also like, you know, we've, the, the
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fact that like, it, it wasn't just when gay marriage
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was passed that suddenly gay people existed,
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gay people existed throughout all time. And we
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get a glance to see that. in uh in season three
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here with robin and i think you know bringing
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in those characters which we already know there's
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maybe a little bit about will but but really
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showing the audience okay this is happening this
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is real and we are covering this topic i think
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is very important for the show overall so storyline
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number two the scientist alexi is here joyce
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and hopper find two russians working on machinery
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And after a gunfight with Arnold the Motorcycle
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Terminator, they go off into the woods. They
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commandeer a convertible, which is a very fun
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scene, and they drive to Illinois, where they
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bring Alexei to Murray. Hopper then proves his
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experience with interrogation skills, and Alexei
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reveals that the Russians are trying to open
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a gate to another dimension. But they had to
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come to where the gate had been opened before.
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Hopper calls Dr. Sam and gets the army there.
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Joyce doubles down and they realize that they
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should drive back to Hawkins to save their children.
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Murray gives an expose on how repressed Joyce
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and Hopper are about each other. Alexi and Murray
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laugh about the stagnation in Hopper and Joyce's
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relationship. Once they get there, Murray and
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Alexi stay in the car while Hopper and Joyce
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go to find their kids at the fair. But Mayor
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Klein sees them and calls the Boo. Boo. Schwarzenegger
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man shows up and murders Alexei in cold blood.
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Sorry. But not before Hopper and Joyce hold hands
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on a ride. Hopper fights Russians all over the
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fair. Grigory is shot, but he is wearing Kevlar.
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Cue Russians calling for backup in the mall.
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Yeah. So, this is important for a couple of different
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reasons. Mainly, though, Alexei disseminates
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the information to Murray about how to turn off
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the machine, or how to blow up the machine that
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is opening the gate. Which is what we're going
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to need, because the mind flayer is gross and
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is coming for you. And even L's two hands might
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not be able to stop it, which is unfortunate.
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So here we are with Alexei giving all that information
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out. More face -offs with Grigori, which I think
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is really fun. Just how much he looks like Arnold
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Schwarzenegger, but is Russian. It's just so
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fun. And then, of course, we get this huge tension.
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With Joyce and Hopper, where we're leaning more
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and more and more up to them getting together.
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But also, Murray is kind of lecturing them in
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the same way that he lectures Jonathan and Nancy
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the previous season. But because these are adults,
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they're way more stubborn. There's way more risk
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for them. They're not as easily malleable as
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just being like, children, children, I have a
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pull -out couch. Although he does children, children
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them. He does children, children them, but it
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doesn't work immediately. No, it doesn't. Because
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it's not like they have Murray drive back with
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Alexei in the front seat. So, no, it's, you know,
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there's some levity there as well, but there's
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this romantic tension that everyone's kind of
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building for. And then, of course, the tension
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of... More Russian stuff, and Grigori, this whole
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setup with Grigori and Hopper that we've been
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having, trying to finally have a great face -off.
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And of course, it's in a maze of mirrors, and
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it's just really fun with the fair. But I'll
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also point out two other things here. Mayor Klein
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gets to make a return, which I just love him,
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period. But the most important thing, other than
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Alexei telling us the information, is the wonderful
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writing skills. Of humanizing Alexi, giving us
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like such empathy and immediate build into this
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character where we're like, yeah, I buy in. I
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see what's going on with him. And then killing
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him. It's horrible. Wildly impactful. I think.
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And one of my most memorable parts of the season.
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Yeah. Yes. It's so good in that I hate it. I
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feel like once again, they introduced a character
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that. Very, very, very quickly, I was all in
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on. And then they kill him. Yeah. It's just Bob
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part two. Bob the sequel. Bob. I'm so upset about
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it. As soon as on this watch through, I definitely
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was dreading it the whole time. knew you know
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you know it's coming you know when it's going
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to be and how and how upsetting it is and it
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was still just as upsetting we literally canceled
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a podcast recording because you were too sad
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i was so sad no i was able to make it through
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but no we did do it we did do it we did But I
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had a warning ahead of time that I was going
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to be sad about. I'd seen the episode before,
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so I knew. Yeah, it's really effective. I love
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everything to do with that. And I just love that
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storyline. As soon as they have Alexei, I'm like
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instantly entertained. Yes. He says it's just
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strawberry. It's not cherry. It's strawberry.
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It's all the same. It's not the same. He respectfully
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tells you that it's not the same. It's a great
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scene. Oh, I absolutely love it. But then we
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have the Flayed storyline. Yes. So, at the hospital,
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Tom, the Hawkins Post boss, and blonde wig terrible
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Post journalist man, try to kill Nancy and Jonathan
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in their human forms, right? they are killed
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in turn by then nancy and jonathan uh showing
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but also they show that if you heard one flayed
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you hurt all of them which is something that
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we'll talk about later in terms of information
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being disseminated because like one guy gets
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hit and then the other guy in the other room
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was like ow it was like oh has that always been
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the case After they're killed, they turn into
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mini flesh shadow monster, meat monster thing.
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And Elle eventually attacks it and saves Nancy
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and Jonathan. But it's a great horror sequence.
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It's, I think, my favorite horror sequence of
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this season. Just the empty hospital, creepy
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monsters, you know, running down, all of that
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stuff. After that, the Flayed have disappeared
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off the face of the earth. But Mike wants people
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to be careful with Elle, as we said, because
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he loves her. And they can't – he's constantly
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saying you can't just use her like an unlimited
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source of power. He's kind of worried about her
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becoming a dead battery, right? If you let a
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battery flatline for too long, it will not recharge,
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which may have some consequences in the next
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episode. TBD. TBD indeed. Jonathan and Nancy
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are now with babies minus Dustin. And they realize
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they really need to find Billy because if they
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find Billy, they might find the flayed. And Elle
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finds them all right, but with huge consequences.
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So Eleven gets to peer into Billy's past and
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watches his memories, which instantly humanizes
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him and gives Elle an understanding of who she
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is. Yes. But also the audience. The audience
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really needs to know who he is at this point.
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Billy goes full Mind Flayer takeover and reveals
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that the army of humans has been built specifically
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for Eleven, and now he knows where Eleven is,
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and all the other non -Billy flayed disintegrate
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just like Tom and Blonde Wig Dude. He's found
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alright, but with huge consequences. So, after
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Eleven peers into Billy's past and watches his
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memories, which humanizes him both to L and the
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audience, Billy goes full mind flayer on her
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and reveals that the army of humans is for 11
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specifically. Now he knows where 11 is and all
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the other non -Billy flayed disintegrate and
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form a giant, like a giant flesh monster, way
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bigger than the one that Tom, the post boss and
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blonde wig man formed when they were killed.
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This monster attacks and bites 11. depositing
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a bit of itself into Eleven's leg. Nancy, the
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babies and company, minus Dustin, all go to a
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local grocery store to tend to Eleven's wound,
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which is where Max kicks in with that awesome
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knowledge. And they have a nostalgic argument
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about new Coke for some reason while Elle searches
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for Dustin in her weird little in -between world.
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But you see, Elle's wound is infected. And they
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leave. for them all to go save people once they
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know where Dustin is and arrive just in time
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to save Dustin, Erica, Robin, and Steve. But,
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Sierra, there's something in hell's leg. Dun,
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dun, dun! Yes. So tell me, why is the storyline
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important, other than it being the main storyline
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that everyone needs to know? Other than it being
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the main storyline that everybody needs to know,
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I would say there is a whole lot of information.
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About how the upside down creatures and Mind
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Flayer in particular work. So how does the Mind
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Flayer interact with others? It's possession
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of an individual. It's turning into Flayed. It's
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creation of itself. And as a larger, huger grossness.
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That is absolutely terrifying with way too many
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teeth. And there is a lot of also figuring out
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how all of that interacts with Eleven. So that
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specifically she's being targeted, that specifically
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the Mind Flayer knows about her and is interested
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in her and wants to beat her slash potentially
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sway her. Sway, absorb, kill. It's unclear. It's
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very unclear. I thought that that was an interesting
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thing to leave open because it seems when Billy
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says, this is all for you, it almost seems like
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I'm gifting you this army. Yeah. In my initial
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read of it. Now, obviously, I'm gifting you this
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army, but I'm also going to try to kill you with
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it. Kind of doesn't track. Right. However, I
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do think that there is kind of that option here
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of you can turn and control it or you can be
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killed by it. Yeah. So that is, I think, the
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most interesting. And I still think it's a little
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up for question with the way that season four
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goes. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I find this storyline
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exceedingly impactful in terms of the overall
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messaging of the story. As we get to the conclusion
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of the Mind Flayer storyline in the next episode,
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it's even more so, specifically around L's powers.
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But there's these huge moments of Mind Flayer
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directly communicating with L to be like, this
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is for you. yeah and and in season three you
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have no idea what that means it right and and
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that's it was such a chilling moment i mean stranger
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things is moving to this like uh half a season
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then half a season then a finale over the the
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major holidays because they kept losing out on
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um media time essentially like what we're doing
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right now people reacting to it and so you would
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have stranger things and it would be amazing
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for a week and for that week for season three
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i remember how big this moment was it was a lot
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like when in game of thrones when john snow fights
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the white walker sort of command for the first
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time and that head white walker as john is sailing
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away at him and lifts his hands to the air and
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is directly looking at John. And everyone was
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like, what does that mean? Now that one moment
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raged for a week and, and sort of, you know,
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stranger things kind of lost out because they
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had everything all at once. Um, but this moment
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I think is the main thing that I remember other
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than Dustin singing, uh, from the finale. This
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is the, this is the one moment that I remember
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people talking about the most, which is. It's
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made for who? By what's design? Also, is the
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person that Heather was being taken over by a
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part of this? And it turns out, yes. So it's
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just huge. It's enormous. It's something to watch
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for, y 'all. And that's going to be that on that
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little section. So keep your finger on the pause
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button and rewind the tape. We're going to be
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reviewing our prestige category for what did
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we notice on this watch through. Episode five.
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Tell me about it. So, kind of a good thing that
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Nancy and Jonathan already hated the guys from
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the office. They had to end up fighting as the
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Flayed because otherwise that would have been
00:24:26.140 --> 00:24:30.000
really crazy on their psyche. Yeah. Can you imagine
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if it was just, you know, a friend from school?
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Right. Or someone that they enjoyed hanging out
00:24:36.259 --> 00:24:40.180
with. It's Mike and Will. A family member. Yeah.
00:24:40.180 --> 00:24:43.470
Exactly. So. That would have been pretty brutal.
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So kind of convenient that they already were
00:24:46.509 --> 00:24:49.329
not fans and Nancy got to take out all of her
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great aggression on them. So this is a total
00:24:52.609 --> 00:24:55.549
joke for anybody that's listening, but they have
00:24:55.549 --> 00:25:01.549
PTSD still, but it's a better PTSD. Yeah. We
00:25:01.549 --> 00:25:04.069
did have to kill people we know, but at least
00:25:04.069 --> 00:25:11.359
it was people we did not. We ate. Yes. My. The
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next thing that I brought up is still in the
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hospital. How exactly is the hospital empty,
00:25:17.559 --> 00:25:20.660
but the lady at the front desk is still there
00:25:20.660 --> 00:25:23.279
trying to keep people from going back? It's really
00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:25.980
late at night. We know that. It's one of the
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reasons. Number two, they do run through a bunch
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of people who have already been killed by those
00:25:31.880 --> 00:25:35.000
two men. Yeah, but it didn't seem like there
00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:38.369
was a bunch of patients. Well, yeah. There were
00:25:38.369 --> 00:25:40.710
some people that were attached to bags and stuff
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and in hospital gowns that they killed. But number
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three, the most important one, where they have
00:25:45.910 --> 00:25:49.750
the main fight is in a construction zone. There's
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a little sign that says it. So the hospital's
00:25:52.549 --> 00:25:55.410
not empty. It's just like that floor is completely
00:25:55.410 --> 00:25:58.069
under construction, I guess. They just happen
00:25:58.069 --> 00:26:03.500
to... Yeah, it's contrived, certainly. Yes. But
00:26:03.500 --> 00:26:05.759
it just it just struck me as so odd because they
00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:07.779
go up there and there's basically nobody there.
00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:10.119
I know. And yet this lady at the front desk is
00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:12.980
like only two people at once. That's her job.
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:15.680
She's doing a great job. Other than being on
00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:17.019
the phone while people are trying to be like,
00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:20.700
please save us. Call the cops. Yeah. Other than
00:26:20.700 --> 00:26:24.200
not doing her job, she's doing a great job. I
00:26:24.200 --> 00:26:27.420
think that this is a very small aside, but I
00:26:27.420 --> 00:26:30.400
think that when. They're all gathering together
00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:32.720
to kind of discuss what the next steps are going
00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:35.339
to be and finding the source, all the kids. Lucas
00:26:35.339 --> 00:26:38.579
calls their chat a family meeting. And I think
00:26:38.579 --> 00:26:41.900
that that's so cute, especially since they're
00:26:41.900 --> 00:26:45.680
all kids. And it's all of the kids except for
00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:49.099
Dustin. But it's just so adorable. They're like,
00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:52.059
we are a family. Yeah, it's really. Family meeting.
00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:57.079
It's really cute. For Hopper and Joyce's storyline
00:26:57.079 --> 00:26:59.880
in episode five, I just find Hopper's instincts
00:26:59.880 --> 00:27:03.119
are so incredible. And I just admire the way
00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:04.480
that they've written that character to make me
00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:08.420
believe it. Yeah. Joyce's ferociousness is also
00:27:08.420 --> 00:27:13.119
great. But is their story just a little too campy?
00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:19.440
Maybe a little. I kind of have a hard time when...
00:27:20.089 --> 00:27:24.450
A storyline breaks off so much from the rest
00:27:24.450 --> 00:27:28.589
of everything else. And it almost feels like
00:27:28.589 --> 00:27:34.130
potentially all of the them not being in Hawkins
00:27:34.130 --> 00:27:37.390
could have been done in a quarter of an episode
00:27:37.390 --> 00:27:40.509
where they go and they talk to Murray and they
00:27:40.509 --> 00:27:43.789
have Alexi and they interrogate him on the way
00:27:43.789 --> 00:27:47.710
back. Yeah. And it didn't need to be a whole.
00:27:48.650 --> 00:27:51.990
plot line i suppose however there is a lot of
00:27:51.990 --> 00:27:55.170
information that we get from it but it is a little
00:27:55.170 --> 00:27:59.250
i i think the reason it feels campy is just because
00:27:59.250 --> 00:28:03.109
it is so isolated and it's such a repeat of nancy
00:28:03.109 --> 00:28:05.170
and jonathan's like it's such a reflection a
00:28:05.170 --> 00:28:08.309
mirroring of it and i just like they have these
00:28:08.309 --> 00:28:11.130
sort of like melodramatic arguments that's clearly
00:28:11.130 --> 00:28:14.269
like you guys are gonna get together and i i
00:28:14.269 --> 00:28:16.930
just like there's there's just part because Hopper
00:28:16.930 --> 00:28:18.970
and Joyce's storylines have been so grounded
00:28:18.970 --> 00:28:21.430
and kind of the thing that makes all the adults
00:28:21.430 --> 00:28:25.450
willing, I think, to watch those episodes. Or
00:28:25.450 --> 00:28:27.009
at least a lot of adult viewers, not all the
00:28:27.009 --> 00:28:29.549
adults, clearly. And it's just such a switch
00:28:29.549 --> 00:28:32.190
to make them the sort of comic relief, romantic
00:28:32.190 --> 00:28:35.710
things. Maybe it actually isn't too campy, but
00:28:35.710 --> 00:28:38.150
in juxtaposition from the past two seasons, I'm
00:28:38.150 --> 00:28:41.089
kind of like, whoa. Especially while we've been
00:28:41.089 --> 00:28:44.289
watching at this rate back to back. It just feels
00:28:44.289 --> 00:28:49.599
a little whiplashy. Episode 6. This guy looks
00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:52.759
like Gollum's uglier twin. Who are we talking
00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:56.779
about? The Russian scientist who drugs them.
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Oh, absolutely. Yeah, you're totally right. Cheers
00:29:00.140 --> 00:29:02.539
to him. I'm sure you're a wonderful person in
00:29:02.539 --> 00:29:04.400
real life. I'm sorry. I'm sure you're great.
00:29:04.539 --> 00:29:08.259
That was just my initial thought. It's very Schmeagle
00:29:08.259 --> 00:29:14.240
coded. And even just the way he scrunches his
00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:17.200
body up and gets in their face and everything.
00:29:17.380 --> 00:29:21.440
It just, oh gosh. Yep. It was just the first
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:23.519
thing that came to my mind and I had to write
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:26.460
it down. Well, you did. And now it's on a podcast
00:29:26.460 --> 00:29:32.279
and now everyone's heard it. It may be unusual
00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:34.859
for me to do this on the pod, but I have some
00:29:34.859 --> 00:29:40.920
Mike slander. I am shocked to my very core. To
00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:44.019
my core. There's this whole conversation about,
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:47.859
like, oh, don't use Eleven too much. Like, you're
00:29:47.859 --> 00:29:49.640
going to run her battery out, that Mike's saying.
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:55.339
And they're like, no, we need her to find Billy
00:29:55.339 --> 00:29:59.079
and find Dustin. Like, we need to use her. And
00:29:59.079 --> 00:30:01.059
I will say, at the very beginning of that argument,
00:30:01.460 --> 00:30:04.539
Max is making excellent points where she's coming
00:30:04.539 --> 00:30:08.619
to bat for Elle, being like, Who knows Eleven's
00:30:08.619 --> 00:30:12.240
boundaries more than you? Her. Elle does, actually.
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:14.519
Elle gets to dictate who she is. And I'm, like,
00:30:14.539 --> 00:30:16.859
very much on Max's side in this argument. Oh,
00:30:16.859 --> 00:30:19.740
yeah. And just an FYI, everybody, Mike actually
00:30:19.740 --> 00:30:21.440
doesn't get to dictate what Elle does, ever.
00:30:22.299 --> 00:30:31.059
Yeah. No. It is not his job. I want to discuss
00:30:31.059 --> 00:30:36.500
probably the biggest section of this episode.
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:41.440
Yeah. In terms of impact and acting and information,
00:30:41.740 --> 00:30:47.039
etc. Yeah. I would like to discuss how potentially
00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:53.059
cliche, but also accurate and heartbreaking Billy's
00:30:53.059 --> 00:30:56.440
backstory is. All of it. His father's abusive.
00:30:56.480 --> 00:31:00.460
His mom leaves as a result, leaving Billy behind
00:31:00.460 --> 00:31:04.119
to continue being verbally and physically abused.
00:31:04.750 --> 00:31:07.829
And now he's also abandoned by the one parent
00:31:07.829 --> 00:31:12.390
who loves, loved him, loves him. I mean, none
00:31:12.390 --> 00:31:16.089
of this excuses his attempted murder of people
00:31:16.089 --> 00:31:21.069
repeatedly. Yeah. Or evident racism. Yeah. Or,
00:31:21.170 --> 00:31:24.289
or any of that. None of this excuses the attempting
00:31:24.289 --> 00:31:28.430
rundown of three kids on bikes and other horrible
00:31:28.430 --> 00:31:33.529
things that he's done. But holy heck, it's. It's
00:31:33.529 --> 00:31:36.789
very impactful. It's very well done. Yeah. I
00:31:36.789 --> 00:31:43.710
find it very sad. I find I'm almost a bit annoyed.
00:31:43.829 --> 00:31:46.450
And not because it's not good. I'm just a bit
00:31:46.450 --> 00:31:48.569
annoyed that we don't see the mother's reasoning
00:31:48.569 --> 00:31:52.549
ever. Because it must be such a difficult decision
00:31:52.549 --> 00:31:56.670
to be like, for my own safety, I'm leaving the
00:31:56.670 --> 00:31:59.470
man. That's not hard. But I'm leaving my kid
00:31:59.470 --> 00:32:03.240
with him. I do not understand the mom's reasoning.
00:32:03.660 --> 00:32:07.480
Right. Given what we are given. Yeah. It doesn't
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:11.440
make any sense to me. As a mom, if my husband's
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:13.660
great, so I'm not in this situation, guys. But
00:32:13.660 --> 00:32:17.200
if I was in this situation, there's no way I'm
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:20.339
leaving my kids behind. Yeah, totally. Even if
00:32:20.339 --> 00:32:23.539
they're not little, little like they are now,
00:32:23.740 --> 00:32:27.779
it doesn't matter. I don't understand. The only
00:32:27.779 --> 00:32:31.849
thing that I can potentially think of. Is one
00:32:31.849 --> 00:32:35.509
of those, like, she had to run and she had to
00:32:35.509 --> 00:32:38.930
be by herself and she intended on coming back
00:32:38.930 --> 00:32:42.549
for him, but if she had taken him, it would have
00:32:42.549 --> 00:32:45.750
been considered kidnapping. Yeah, which it wouldn't.
00:32:45.769 --> 00:32:49.509
Like, I... No, I mean, yeah, this is, like, it's
00:32:49.509 --> 00:32:52.009
not that scenario. Like, that scenario is not
00:32:52.009 --> 00:32:54.650
accurate. And do we really think that the father
00:32:54.650 --> 00:32:58.220
would actually try to, like... sue her for custody.
00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:01.420
Right, right. I don't think that he cares enough.
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:06.940
This whole situation is so outside of the norm
00:33:06.940 --> 00:33:09.299
that we see in both media and in real life where
00:33:09.299 --> 00:33:14.019
you see mothers leave, certainly, but bring kids.
00:33:14.619 --> 00:33:18.319
And so I just, I think it's a very compelling
00:33:18.319 --> 00:33:22.220
backstory and I think only seeing Billy's version
00:33:22.220 --> 00:33:24.180
of it, which is that she leaves, makes sense
00:33:24.180 --> 00:33:26.440
because we're in Billy's head. But I'm like,
00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:29.680
It itches at me in the back of my head where
00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:34.200
I'm like, I just want to know why she left Billy,
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:37.279
too. Yeah. I feel like there's a piece of the
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:40.299
story missing. Yeah, totally. And it's very frustrating
00:33:40.299 --> 00:33:45.460
because we don't get it. But coming back to Hawkins.
00:33:45.859 --> 00:33:49.599
Yes. When Elle enters Billy's head, is Billy
00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:52.119
trying to communicate with Elle? I'm not a bad
00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:53.980
person. This is what my background is. Or is
00:33:53.980 --> 00:33:56.819
he? Is he somehow protecting himself by trying
00:33:56.819 --> 00:34:01.460
to have happy thoughts? What is it that causes
00:34:01.460 --> 00:34:05.019
her to go through and get a perfect montage of
00:34:05.019 --> 00:34:11.500
why he is who he is? So I think – here's my –
00:34:11.500 --> 00:34:14.360
because I was thinking about this as well. My
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:19.960
idea is that – I think it's a little bit of twofold.
00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:23.570
On the one hand – I think that the beach memory
00:34:23.570 --> 00:34:30.530
in particular, the beach memory is kind of the
00:34:30.530 --> 00:34:34.469
closest thing that I can think of. I guess it's
00:34:34.469 --> 00:34:37.809
more on that he's protecting himself by having
00:34:37.809 --> 00:34:41.949
a happy thought. But I think that it's more just
00:34:41.949 --> 00:34:45.050
like the last happiness that he can remember.
00:34:45.150 --> 00:34:50.059
And that is what he's clinging to. As the rest
00:34:50.059 --> 00:34:53.019
of his personality and who he is becomes erased
00:34:53.019 --> 00:34:56.900
and replaced by the mind player. I think it's
00:34:56.900 --> 00:35:00.880
a little akin to in Supernatural when they fight
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:05.320
Jin. If the Jin gets you, it basically injects
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:10.280
you with its venom and you live a very, very
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:13.619
happy life and it's feeding off of you the whole
00:35:13.619 --> 00:35:16.480
time. So I almost think that there's a little
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:19.610
bit of an element of that where. It's the mind
00:35:19.610 --> 00:35:22.369
flare is almost keeping him complacent by allowing
00:35:22.369 --> 00:35:26.989
him these memories. But also when we then see
00:35:26.989 --> 00:35:31.409
the this is who I am. That's because she's trying
00:35:31.409 --> 00:35:33.670
to find the source and she's getting closer and
00:35:33.670 --> 00:35:37.250
closer to the source and the source of how the
00:35:37.250 --> 00:35:40.650
mind flare is able to get Billy is because of
00:35:40.650 --> 00:35:43.250
all these things. Okay. And so because of all
00:35:43.250 --> 00:35:45.050
these things, it's made him who he is, which
00:35:45.050 --> 00:35:47.889
has made him a candidate. to be taken over by
00:35:47.889 --> 00:35:52.050
the mind flayer yeah yeah and so billy is that
00:35:52.050 --> 00:35:55.170
like the source of billy's pain is the source
00:35:55.170 --> 00:35:57.170
yeah of the mind flayer okay that's what the
00:35:57.170 --> 00:35:59.170
mind flare is feeding i like that i like that
00:35:59.170 --> 00:36:03.550
a lot yeah excellent well stated continuing to
00:36:03.550 --> 00:36:08.909
discuss daycare montgomery i would like to have
00:36:08.909 --> 00:36:13.230
a moment to talk about his acting in general
00:36:13.230 --> 00:36:16.130
this season I know we talked about last episode
00:36:16.130 --> 00:36:19.710
as well, so we can move on specifically to when
00:36:19.710 --> 00:36:24.829
he's speaking to Elle as the mind flayer and
00:36:24.829 --> 00:36:29.869
the, quote, single man tear rolls down his face.
00:36:30.070 --> 00:36:36.710
It is expert level conflict and emotion being
00:36:36.710 --> 00:36:42.630
portrayed and the sheer acting in. The tiny details
00:36:42.630 --> 00:36:49.010
of his face is phenomenal. You see he is fully
00:36:49.010 --> 00:36:52.010
Mind Flayer and just that one tear is just the
00:36:52.010 --> 00:36:55.409
little bit of Billy that is still clinging and
00:36:55.409 --> 00:36:58.230
does not like what is happening. Yeah, I like
00:36:58.230 --> 00:37:02.730
that. Oh, my God. It's a brilliant moment. It's
00:37:02.730 --> 00:37:06.550
a brilliant moment to share that the person is
00:37:06.550 --> 00:37:09.210
still inside, which is enormously important.
00:37:09.949 --> 00:37:14.590
For next episode. Our next episode, the finale.
00:37:14.769 --> 00:37:17.530
Now we'll discuss the actual next episode, which
00:37:17.530 --> 00:37:19.409
is seven, which is not what I'm talking about.
00:37:20.469 --> 00:37:24.510
Episode seven, y 'all. Okay. Another moment where
00:37:24.510 --> 00:37:28.849
I seriously am. I continue to question if the
00:37:28.849 --> 00:37:31.610
Wheeler little sister is somehow connected to
00:37:31.610 --> 00:37:34.559
the upside down because. She's the only one who
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:37.139
sees something in the wall in Will's room, except
00:37:37.139 --> 00:37:40.320
for Joyce. And now she's the only one who notices
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:43.980
the monster in the trees during the fireworks.
00:37:44.699 --> 00:37:47.059
Everybody else, I know she's looking down instead
00:37:47.059 --> 00:37:49.619
of looking up, but there's other people and this
00:37:49.619 --> 00:37:53.579
monster is huge and the trees are moving. And
00:37:53.579 --> 00:37:58.199
she is still somehow the only one who can see
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:03.329
it. Yeah. I don't think. that she has any connection
00:38:03.329 --> 00:38:07.010
to the upside down but it is odd and maybe at
00:38:07.010 --> 00:38:08.969
the end of this you know we'll we'll have this
00:38:08.969 --> 00:38:11.349
sort of like almost last jedi moment where at
00:38:11.349 --> 00:38:14.489
the end of season five like everybody with powers
00:38:14.489 --> 00:38:19.730
is dead and then she'll like you know use the
00:38:19.730 --> 00:38:21.469
force a little bit and we'll be like oh my gosh
00:38:21.469 --> 00:38:24.369
there's still people out there uh or or it'll
00:38:24.369 --> 00:38:26.530
be a little bit like magneto where he like moves
00:38:26.530 --> 00:38:29.789
the chess piece right at the end of x2 or x3
00:38:29.789 --> 00:38:34.219
i should say So, we'll see. Yeah. But it is,
00:38:34.340 --> 00:38:37.179
speaking of the shadow monster, though, or the
00:38:37.179 --> 00:38:42.940
goo body monster, the grossness. The grossness.
00:38:43.139 --> 00:38:46.579
It is crazy. The grossness. I shall label him
00:38:46.579 --> 00:38:51.840
the grossness. It is kind of crazy that Nancy
00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:55.920
hears the monster coming before Will's spidey
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:58.170
sense goes off. I just think that's Will sort
00:38:58.170 --> 00:39:00.110
of being distracted by the fact that he's crushing
00:39:00.110 --> 00:39:02.489
on Mike and Mike is professing his love to Elle.
00:39:04.050 --> 00:39:08.730
But still, it just seems he always notices right
00:39:08.730 --> 00:39:10.789
away when the sense does go off. You know, he
00:39:10.789 --> 00:39:13.090
always touches his neck and we get the zoom in
00:39:13.090 --> 00:39:16.849
and everything. But it is weird that she hears
00:39:16.849 --> 00:39:21.309
it first. I do wonder if it is. I could be totally
00:39:21.309 --> 00:39:24.130
off base with this. This is definitely a shot
00:39:24.130 --> 00:39:27.619
in the dark. I do wonder if. There's more to
00:39:27.619 --> 00:39:34.179
Will than we see. Yeah. And maybe his loyalties
00:39:34.179 --> 00:39:37.980
aren't as with these people and against Vecna
00:39:37.980 --> 00:39:40.800
slash the Shadow Monster as we think, or there's
00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:42.840
still a bit of the Shadow Monster in him that
00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:45.719
can manipulate him into not realizing things,
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:48.860
or if he's got extra powers that he's working
00:39:48.860 --> 00:39:51.539
through. And so I wonder if this will be a...
00:39:52.170 --> 00:39:55.389
what I will call sort of a Dumbledore flash of
00:39:55.389 --> 00:39:57.550
eyes moment where you remember Goblet of Fire.
00:39:57.929 --> 00:40:00.469
We find out that this is a spoiler for anybody
00:40:00.469 --> 00:40:02.030
who hasn't read Harry Potter. We find out that
00:40:02.030 --> 00:40:04.250
Voldemort uses Harry's blood and that ends up
00:40:04.250 --> 00:40:07.969
being a hugely important detail for book seven.
00:40:08.070 --> 00:40:11.570
I just wonder if that moment of Nancy hearing
00:40:11.570 --> 00:40:14.510
it before will is actually an important moment
00:40:14.510 --> 00:40:19.179
or if it's just like. Because Will does go, oh
00:40:19.179 --> 00:40:21.420
my gosh, oh yeah, it is here right afterwards.
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:25.820
So we'll see. Right. We'll see. I have thoughts
00:40:25.820 --> 00:40:30.639
about sort of the brevity of this episode, which
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:33.480
is both like, Robin and Steve are just so funny.
00:40:33.880 --> 00:40:37.860
And I find sort of being drugged out moments
00:40:37.860 --> 00:40:41.639
usually not very funny at all and cliche and
00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:45.559
the acting, you know, is uninteresting. But I
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:48.920
find it. Absolutely so funny. Additionally, I
00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:53.219
find Alexi's story so compelling. What is it
00:40:53.219 --> 00:40:57.199
that you think is so interesting about both Robin
00:40:57.199 --> 00:41:01.059
and Steve and Alexi's part? I think there's just
00:41:01.059 --> 00:41:04.699
a little bit, especially in, you know, speaking
00:41:04.699 --> 00:41:07.760
specifically to this episode, I think it's a
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:12.360
lot of the just truth and openness that's happening
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:17.199
on both. In both cases, you know, Robin and Steve
00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:20.059
are kind of being forced to tell the truth and
00:41:20.059 --> 00:41:22.639
to just kind of say what's on their minds and
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:26.760
whatever. And then Alexi is feeling more open
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:30.360
and being able to actually just have a friend
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:35.559
and pal around a little bit and joke, have inside
00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:38.820
jokes and everything. And I think that. There's
00:41:38.820 --> 00:41:41.340
a little bit of that going on with Robin and
00:41:41.340 --> 00:41:44.880
Steve and then also Alexi and Murray, where the
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:47.000
characters are just so endearing. And there's
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:51.219
almost when characters are more open and honest
00:41:51.219 --> 00:41:56.099
and truthful, they become a little bit more innocent
00:41:56.099 --> 00:42:00.519
and endearing in that way. And really brings
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:04.329
them back to kind of their basic. humanity and
00:42:04.329 --> 00:42:07.429
basics of who they are and so i think that that's
00:42:07.429 --> 00:42:11.570
really what draws me to all of them in this episode
00:42:11.570 --> 00:42:15.289
is they're just being who they are just pure
00:42:15.289 --> 00:42:18.449
plain and simple excellent excellent excellent
00:42:18.449 --> 00:42:23.289
excellent points well done and then you know
00:42:23.289 --> 00:42:26.070
knowing what's going to happen to alexi i was
00:42:26.070 --> 00:42:28.809
already crying when he goes off to play the games
00:42:28.809 --> 00:42:34.389
i was already crying It is sad. They do a really
00:42:34.389 --> 00:42:38.389
effective job with it. They do. But to distract
00:42:38.389 --> 00:42:42.570
myself from that, why does Elle bother distracting
00:42:42.570 --> 00:42:45.610
the Russians before just throwing the car at
00:42:45.610 --> 00:42:49.210
them? Because it would be just as effective to
00:42:49.210 --> 00:42:52.409
just throw the car at them. She doesn't have
00:42:52.409 --> 00:42:55.030
to make the alarms go off and make them look
00:42:55.030 --> 00:42:57.789
in the other direction. It's not like they moved
00:42:57.789 --> 00:43:00.550
at all. They didn't get into the path of the
00:43:00.550 --> 00:43:04.650
car. She could have just sent the car flying
00:43:04.650 --> 00:43:08.730
into them instead of the alarms going off and
00:43:08.730 --> 00:43:11.630
then send the car flying into them. It does feel
00:43:11.630 --> 00:43:16.250
like she needs Mike, who's already sort of trying
00:43:16.250 --> 00:43:18.050
to control what she's doing anyway, to just be
00:43:18.050 --> 00:43:20.489
like her first base coach and be like, okay,
00:43:20.550 --> 00:43:22.550
no, you don't need to do that. Think about efficiency
00:43:22.550 --> 00:43:25.510
and economy of motion. All we want to do is just
00:43:25.510 --> 00:43:27.210
smash them with the car. Don't bother with the
00:43:27.210 --> 00:43:31.590
theatrics. Yeah. I get that, you know, it's kind
00:43:31.590 --> 00:43:33.889
of like a reveal. Oh, what's going on with the
00:43:33.889 --> 00:43:36.590
car? Oh, she's done this before. Oh, it must
00:43:36.590 --> 00:43:39.710
be Elle. And then the car. But I feel like it's
00:43:39.710 --> 00:43:43.909
just as impactful as a reveal to just a car comes
00:43:43.909 --> 00:43:47.849
flying. Yeah. Maybe it's to remind us that the
00:43:47.849 --> 00:43:50.809
car is there and that she's not just bringing
00:43:50.809 --> 00:43:55.090
a car from outside. Hi, guys. I brought this
00:43:55.090 --> 00:43:59.170
with me. I brought my car from home. May I use
00:43:59.170 --> 00:44:02.570
it to kill you? B -Y -O -C. B -Y -O -C. It's
00:44:02.570 --> 00:44:05.110
like showing up with... Hi, this is my lizard.
00:44:05.190 --> 00:44:11.309
I brought him from home. This is my car. B -Y
00:44:11.309 --> 00:44:14.849
-O -C. Bang. Yeah, I mean, it's probably for
00:44:14.849 --> 00:44:18.210
several, like, show reasons, not writing reasons.
00:44:18.929 --> 00:44:22.309
Yeah. It still bothers me, though. Yeah, of course.
00:44:23.210 --> 00:44:26.159
But... You don't always have to face down a horde
00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:30.800
of angry Russian soldiers by yourself, L. Buckle
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:33.960
up, Schmisseners, because it's time for our Sansa
00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:37.860
is smarter than John category. What is the most
00:44:37.860 --> 00:44:41.500
important character moment in this set of episodes?
00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:45.280
There's one answer. There's one answer. Robin
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:48.300
admitting her interest in Tammy Thompson and
00:44:48.300 --> 00:44:50.940
Steve immediately accepting her. Yep, it's huge.
00:44:51.219 --> 00:44:54.340
Immediately. The floor is yours, Sierra. Yes,
00:44:54.340 --> 00:44:57.300
it is the most important character moment, both
00:44:57.300 --> 00:45:01.840
for Robin and for Steve. But I do believe mostly
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:06.380
for Steve. Yeah. On Robin's side, it is huge
00:45:06.380 --> 00:45:09.900
for her to trust somebody with this secret. It
00:45:09.900 --> 00:45:13.840
is absolutely huge. She has seen what has happened
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:17.320
to other people in her situation. It is not great.
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:20.360
She is afraid of being judged. She's already
00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:26.630
not. super popular and she is going out on a
00:45:26.630 --> 00:45:30.469
limb to admit this to somebody who has really
00:45:30.469 --> 00:45:34.150
only been her friend for a month maybe something
00:45:34.150 --> 00:45:38.309
like that and but it is the most important thing
00:45:38.309 --> 00:45:41.030
for steve because kind of as you were saying
00:45:41.030 --> 00:45:48.349
before it really really uh hits home how good
00:45:48.349 --> 00:45:54.900
of a person steve is and how He is with everyone
00:45:54.900 --> 00:45:58.019
around him and accepting. And hey, you're a little
00:45:58.019 --> 00:46:00.099
weird. You're a little weird. You've got a difference
00:46:00.099 --> 00:46:03.599
here. You've got a difference there. I may have
00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:06.139
been most popular in high school for a long time
00:46:06.139 --> 00:46:09.940
until that darn Billy showed up. But I will accept
00:46:09.940 --> 00:46:12.559
all of you. I've already adopted a horde of small
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:15.179
children. I will now accept you as my best friend.
00:46:15.260 --> 00:46:24.469
It's all fine. Oh, that's so funny. I know you
00:46:24.469 --> 00:46:26.909
just lost a hand, Sierra, but listen up. It's
00:46:26.909 --> 00:46:30.730
the I am your father category for most iconic
00:46:30.730 --> 00:46:34.110
character moment. What you got? Elle flipping
00:46:34.110 --> 00:46:37.489
yet another car. Guys, don't let her around vehicles
00:46:37.489 --> 00:46:40.590
that you care about. Unless she likes you, then
00:46:40.590 --> 00:46:44.710
your car might work. But if she doesn't like
00:46:44.710 --> 00:46:47.210
you, keep your... your wife your children and
00:46:47.210 --> 00:46:51.269
your cars away from her um i entirely disagree
00:46:51.269 --> 00:46:53.989
i think that this is extremely way less iconic
00:46:53.989 --> 00:46:58.130
than her car flipping season one i have an honorable
00:46:58.130 --> 00:47:00.250
mention and then the actual thing that i think
00:47:00.250 --> 00:47:02.489
it is the honorable mention is alexi being shot
00:47:02.489 --> 00:47:06.489
just because of how well the sequencing is done
00:47:06.489 --> 00:47:09.570
uh we've talked a lot about him already but so
00:47:09.570 --> 00:47:12.090
it should be no surprise that the honorable mention
00:47:12.090 --> 00:47:15.090
goes to alexi being shot in reality i think it's
00:47:15.090 --> 00:47:18.969
the house of mirrors fight which i think is you
00:47:18.969 --> 00:47:22.230
know it's been done 10 000 times but i think
00:47:22.230 --> 00:47:26.750
it's so well done here uh and it's it's one of
00:47:26.750 --> 00:47:29.010
the one times that like hop isn't being forced
00:47:29.010 --> 00:47:31.510
into his uh like harrison ford reference time
00:47:32.420 --> 00:47:39.300
Yeah. Grigori's total not understanding of how
00:47:39.300 --> 00:47:41.539
it works versus Hop's mastery over it, I think
00:47:41.539 --> 00:47:44.639
is really neat and cool. There's so little dialogue
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:46.619
in the moment. I think you can really feel the
00:47:46.619 --> 00:47:49.840
stakes as it plays out. Then you see this great
00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:53.139
moment of triumph with Hop killing him. Grigori,
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:56.780
you think. And then he's wearing Kevlar. So he
00:47:56.780 --> 00:48:00.139
survives and he runs after Hop and Hop sees him.
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:04.179
And then in this hilarious moment, he goes down
00:48:04.179 --> 00:48:06.780
a slide. And like any adult who's ever been down
00:48:06.780 --> 00:48:09.659
a slide ever, you realize how much they hurt
00:48:09.659 --> 00:48:12.840
an adult body. And he just swears the entire
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:16.300
way down. It's the best. It's the one that we
00:48:16.300 --> 00:48:18.820
should definitely nominate and vote for. And
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it wins. Yes, that's fine. I accept that. Excellent,
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:24.260
thank you. Elle already won for flipping a car.
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:26.079
She doesn't need a second one. Yeah, yeah, totally.
00:48:26.139 --> 00:48:28.760
Same trick. What are you, a one trick pony? Yep.
00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:34.349
Come on. Correct. Everybody, sit down. It's time
00:48:34.349 --> 00:48:40.269
for our I am Iron Man. Most iconic and most important
00:48:40.269 --> 00:48:44.809
scene category. One answer again. One answer.
00:48:44.829 --> 00:48:48.650
And it's this quote. All this time, we've been
00:48:48.650 --> 00:48:52.309
building it. Building it for you. Billy says
00:48:52.309 --> 00:48:55.889
with the mind flares voice while one tear rolls
00:48:55.889 --> 00:48:59.989
down his face. Yeah, it's it's. All the things.
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It's the most important thing to the episode.
00:49:01.590 --> 00:49:04.289
It's the most iconic and most important scene.
00:49:05.369 --> 00:49:09.269
It's huge. It's hugely important in every single
00:49:09.269 --> 00:49:13.650
possible way. Yeah. Which leads us to our Elijah
00:49:13.650 --> 00:49:17.389
Wood, no, how could we have known category, where
00:49:17.389 --> 00:49:19.570
we crack open an encyclopedia and discuss the
00:49:19.570 --> 00:49:21.289
most important information disseminated to the
00:49:21.289 --> 00:49:25.309
fandom over these last three episodes. The Shadow
00:49:25.309 --> 00:49:28.480
Monster is more than a match for Elle. Yep. uh
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:32.480
yeah that's it that's it that's it y 'all that's
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what we've got has met her match and it is the
00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:37.280
shadow monster and even maybe more than her match
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:41.179
yeah as we go into the finale yeah i think in
00:49:41.179 --> 00:49:44.239
kind of um this almost makes me think this is
00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:45.900
a weird poll but it almost makes me think of
00:49:45.900 --> 00:49:49.300
the incredibles how syndrome has been building
00:49:49.300 --> 00:49:55.219
these robots specifically to kill supers and
00:49:55.219 --> 00:50:00.510
this is This is Elle's syndrome robot. Yeah,
00:50:00.590 --> 00:50:02.969
totally. Is the shadow monster. Yeah, absolutely.
00:50:02.969 --> 00:50:07.090
Not shadowy meat grossness. The grossness himself.
00:50:07.269 --> 00:50:10.530
The grossness himself is definitely a match for
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her. Yes. Time to keep your horses safe. It's
00:50:16.170 --> 00:50:19.289
the, I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse.
00:50:19.369 --> 00:50:21.989
Hey, that was close. That was a good one. Thank
00:50:21.989 --> 00:50:24.329
you. I liked that one. I know. I was like, I
00:50:24.329 --> 00:50:26.530
forgot about the lip. That's what I've been missing.
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It's the lip. Best lines. Yes. Ready? These are
00:50:36.030 --> 00:50:40.690
my family. Extended. What's the context on that
00:50:40.690 --> 00:50:44.010
one? When they're going into the hospital and
00:50:44.010 --> 00:50:48.289
they say only family members are allowed. And
00:50:48.289 --> 00:50:51.710
Nancy says, these are my family. And then the
00:50:51.710 --> 00:50:54.389
woman basically just looks at Lucas and how he's.
00:50:54.650 --> 00:50:58.650
Black. And then she goes, extended. Yeah, yeah.
00:50:58.750 --> 00:51:01.829
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. So good. It really
00:51:01.829 --> 00:51:04.449
perfectly ties in, too, with family meetings.
00:51:04.449 --> 00:51:08.989
Family conversation. Yeah. Yeah. Cute. He says
00:51:08.989 --> 00:51:11.989
you remind him of a fat Rambo. That's Murray,
00:51:12.230 --> 00:51:14.769
right? Talking about Hopper and what Alexi said.
00:51:15.570 --> 00:51:20.630
Yes. Would now be a good time to tell you that
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I don't like doctors? I can't remember if it's
00:51:25.510 --> 00:51:28.070
Steve or Robin, but it's when they're dosed with
00:51:28.070 --> 00:51:30.630
the syrup. I think it's Steve. I think it's Steve,
00:51:30.730 --> 00:51:36.429
too. Yeah. Yeah. All right. In a less lighthearted
00:51:36.429 --> 00:51:39.489
note, you shouldn't have looked for me because
00:51:39.489 --> 00:51:43.630
now I see you. Now we can all see you. What's
00:51:43.630 --> 00:51:47.389
up, Billy? That's Billy to Elle. Chilling. Good
00:51:47.389 --> 00:51:50.530
line. Yes. Okay, that's it. I'm never having
00:51:50.530 --> 00:51:54.670
kids. Dustin, right? Dustin. Completely done
00:51:54.670 --> 00:51:59.349
with Robin and Steve. And having to babysit them.
00:51:59.929 --> 00:52:04.150
Sierra, those are all incredible lines that you've
00:52:04.150 --> 00:52:08.349
selected. Yes. They do a phenomenal job of going
00:52:08.349 --> 00:52:10.250
over many of the wonderful things that Stranger
00:52:10.250 --> 00:52:14.989
Things can do. Be funny, be about family, be
00:52:14.989 --> 00:52:18.010
a terrible monster speaking through humans. But
00:52:18.010 --> 00:52:22.530
there is only one line. That can win this episode.
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You see, when Dustin and Erica are free because
00:52:27.130 --> 00:52:32.590
of Stephen, dear Steve, and Robin, they are able
00:52:32.590 --> 00:52:35.630
to look for distractions and methods to procure
00:52:35.630 --> 00:52:40.090
the rescue of their two friends. And Dustin looks
00:52:40.090 --> 00:52:43.309
at Erica holding this wonderful piece of metal.
00:52:43.469 --> 00:52:46.909
And he says, what's that? And Erica lights it.
00:52:47.289 --> 00:52:50.760
It's a shock stick. And she goes. A deadly weapon.
00:52:52.860 --> 00:52:58.940
And that's the best line of all of these. The
00:52:58.940 --> 00:53:02.579
delivery on it is hilarious. The delivery is
00:53:02.579 --> 00:53:08.579
so key. A deadly weapon. A deadly weapon. She's
00:53:08.579 --> 00:53:16.760
so, like, little stinker. It's so good. It's
00:53:16.760 --> 00:53:20.130
so funny. Dust off that car deck and get ready
00:53:20.130 --> 00:53:23.329
to shuffle. It's our Joker category. For who
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is the MVP of these episodes? Hear me out. Hear
00:53:29.190 --> 00:53:36.429
me out. It's Murray. Mostly because of the car
00:53:36.429 --> 00:53:39.690
scene in episode seven when he yells at Hop and
00:53:39.690 --> 00:53:42.409
Joyce and tells them they need to stop bickering
00:53:42.409 --> 00:53:44.929
or just do it already. He's certainly speaking
00:53:44.929 --> 00:53:47.989
for the audience right there, I think. He really
00:53:47.989 --> 00:53:50.110
is. You've reached directly into the heart of
00:53:50.110 --> 00:53:52.449
the audience and been like, we're done with your
00:53:52.449 --> 00:53:55.949
bickering. Please just hook up. Yes. Please,
00:53:56.050 --> 00:54:00.010
please, please. And because it's Murray, he does
00:54:00.010 --> 00:54:03.650
it in a most excellent way, which both shames,
00:54:03.650 --> 00:54:09.909
embarrasses, and encourages all at once. The
00:54:09.909 --> 00:54:22.050
trifecta of being a pet parent. Okay, so I'm
00:54:22.050 --> 00:54:25.329
not in disagreement, but I will give you an honorable
00:54:25.329 --> 00:54:29.610
mention and then a secondary case. Okay. First
00:54:29.610 --> 00:54:31.929
of all, honorable mention to Jonathan and Nancy
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just for surviving. I feel like that was one
00:54:34.550 --> 00:54:37.050
of the more tough things to survive. It was a
00:54:37.050 --> 00:54:39.929
really rough time. An honorable mention, too,
00:54:40.070 --> 00:54:42.429
for Lucas for being like, hey, look, fireworks.
00:54:43.369 --> 00:54:46.329
Although I think he doesn't enter into the actual
00:54:46.329 --> 00:54:49.369
category for MVP simply because he's... Ooh,
00:54:49.510 --> 00:54:54.610
shiny doesn't win you the MVP. A bigger honorable
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- Wait, it doesn't? Do you know how many times
00:54:57.730 --> 00:55:02.909
I should have won the MVP? Ooh, shiny. Ooh, shiny.
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Ooh, she's a candy. Another honorable mention
00:55:06.650 --> 00:55:10.230
to Max for the first aid stuff. Just knowing
00:55:10.230 --> 00:55:12.710
a lot about that, getting Elle what she needs.
00:55:13.510 --> 00:55:18.280
Not an MVP for - Lucas also not finding the bowl
00:55:18.280 --> 00:55:22.639
with Will and seeing the fireworks. That's what
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:26.000
made him almost the LVP, least valuable player,
00:55:26.059 --> 00:55:27.139
in case you guys don't know what that means.
00:55:27.539 --> 00:55:30.500
But pound for pound, and this is an actual pound
00:55:30.500 --> 00:55:33.519
for pound argument, I do think he will win. Pound
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:38.619
for pound, it's Alexi. True. Right? Yeah. Yeah.
00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:42.360
Because... Go for it. You list. Yeah. He gives
00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:47.389
all of the information. about how to shut down
00:55:47.389 --> 00:55:52.110
the gate opener machine yeah he gives all the
00:55:52.110 --> 00:55:56.289
information he gives handwritten schematics for
00:55:56.289 --> 00:56:01.690
the location which are pretty good he gives the
00:56:01.690 --> 00:56:06.110
codes he gives step -by -step instructions on
00:56:06.110 --> 00:56:08.250
how to get down there what to do when they're
00:56:08.250 --> 00:56:09.949
down there where they need to go what they need
00:56:09.949 --> 00:56:14.250
to get what they need to do yeah nothing would
00:56:14.250 --> 00:56:19.239
happen Or occur or continue. Without him. Without
00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:22.280
him. He is the reason why the finale can happen.
00:56:22.500 --> 00:56:25.940
Yeah. That's why Pound for Pound. And also just.
00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:27.860
Why season four happens too. Yeah, literally
00:56:27.860 --> 00:56:31.239
the reason why season four happens. Quite in
00:56:31.239 --> 00:56:35.340
a couple of scenes in episodes five, six, and
00:56:35.340 --> 00:56:40.099
seven, we meet him. We love him. He turns sides
00:56:40.099 --> 00:56:42.719
to the Americans and joins the right side in
00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:46.869
this particular case. He. shows a love of fun
00:56:46.869 --> 00:56:48.849
and enjoyment that we don't really get to see
00:56:48.849 --> 00:56:52.210
a lot from the adults. We buy in and have empathy
00:56:52.210 --> 00:56:55.889
and care for him. He gives all the information
00:56:55.889 --> 00:56:59.170
that one could possibly need, and then he dies.
00:56:59.530 --> 00:57:02.909
And with that death, we shall honor him for MVP.
00:57:03.289 --> 00:57:09.090
We shall. We shall. Excellent. Well done. It's
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time to clean up your evil lair and get ready
00:57:12.130 --> 00:57:17.820
for our... the turkey all along category for
00:57:17.820 --> 00:57:22.179
what is the biggest takeaway viewers should leave
00:57:22.179 --> 00:57:26.800
with in preparation for season five tell us sam
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yeah it's everything that we've already mentioned
00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:34.599
with billy the the grossness and l um essentially
00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:36.719
to whittle it down for what we need to know for
00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:41.559
season five a l is not Too powerful that she
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can just take out everything that she faces.
00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:45.820
The meat monster, the shadow monster, the grossness,
00:57:45.860 --> 00:57:47.659
whatever you want to call it, is a match for
00:57:47.659 --> 00:57:50.900
her. But also, Billy, with the shadow monster's
00:57:50.900 --> 00:57:53.840
voice, conveys the fact that this army has been
00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:56.980
built for her. What that means in terms of, like,
00:57:57.019 --> 00:57:59.119
is the shadow monster actually thinks that she's
00:57:59.119 --> 00:58:00.920
stronger and wants to give her the army over
00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:03.739
Vecna? Is she trying to double -cross Vecna?
00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:06.739
Or is it really I'm building it for you to try
00:58:06.739 --> 00:58:09.099
and kill you, which is kind of what he does moving
00:58:09.099 --> 00:58:13.139
forward with it. All of that information is extremely
00:58:13.139 --> 00:58:17.119
important to hold on to because of Vecna's storyline
00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:20.019
and trying to see like Vecna is also trying to
00:58:20.019 --> 00:58:25.239
kill or bring L to him or what. So those are
00:58:25.239 --> 00:58:27.360
the really big things that we've got to think
00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:29.059
about in terms of getting ready for season five.
00:58:29.719 --> 00:58:32.630
Today's public service announcement. Always make
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sure to debate New Coke versus Coca -Cola while
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digging squiggly things out of your friend's
00:58:37.289 --> 00:58:40.210
leg. It really helps the process and isn't blatant
00:58:40.210 --> 00:58:42.710
product placement at all. Never. Never once been
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product placement. TV shows have never run on
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product placement. Never happens. Ever. Nope.
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Oh, I would like some Eggos right now. And New
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Coke. And Slurpees from 7 -Eleven. And Slurpees
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from 7 -Eleven. Well, thank you, listener schmissiners,
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Don't forget to tip those darn rooskies. And
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fare thee well. Nancy narrowly escapes the goo
01:00:09.690 --> 01:00:11.969
monster. Oh, wait. No, that's not what I said.
01:00:12.050 --> 01:00:16.469
Goo form of the monster. Nancy. Sam, it's time
01:00:16.469 --> 01:00:18.510
to find your donut holes. Excellent. It's time
01:00:18.510 --> 01:00:22.090
for our knives out category. Pause again. Pause
01:00:22.090 --> 01:00:24.170
again. Pause again. You said, Sam, it's time
01:00:24.170 --> 01:00:26.489
to find your donut holes. It's time for our knives
01:00:26.489 --> 01:00:29.489
out category. You're right. Did I say it's time
01:00:29.489 --> 01:00:31.750
to find? I did. You did. Yeah. Because I'm looking
01:00:31.750 --> 01:00:36.780
at it's time. Okay. Got this. We got this. We
01:00:36.780 --> 01:00:39.019
got this. You know, the fact that we do 1030
01:00:39.019 --> 01:00:41.820
almost every time is not at all an indication
01:00:41.820 --> 01:00:45.360
of why we struggle so much. No, not at all. But
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:46.679
it's literally the only time that we can do this.
01:00:46.739 --> 01:00:53.679
So here we go. Woohoo! I wish that for season
01:00:53.679 --> 01:00:57.119
two finale, Sierra, we had made the MVP Elle's
01:00:57.119 --> 01:01:03.960
second hand. Pound for pound, is it not Elle's
01:01:03.960 --> 01:01:08.139
second hand? That's so funny. It does nothing
01:01:08.139 --> 01:01:10.260
for two seasons and then suddenly comes out of
01:01:10.260 --> 01:01:14.559
nowhere. And none of, none, none of anything,
01:01:14.659 --> 01:01:17.219
none of anything else. Oh my gosh. None shall
01:01:17.219 --> 01:01:21.719
pass. None, none words shall pass through this
01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:26.460
mouth. Being, while being vetted by a brain,
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they shall just continue. Okay. It is time. To
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clean up your evil air. Evil air. Your evil air.
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It is time. We're so close. Okay. Evil air. My
01:01:46.269 --> 01:01:48.630
thing froze. Oh, there you are. Okay. Evil air.
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Your evil air. All right. Please don't forget
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to rate and review.
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Welcome to Fandom Shmandom, the fandom podcast
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that covers everything you love and more. I'm
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Sierra Obermark. And I'm Sam Williams. Today's
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episode, we will be annoyingly articulating about
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Stranger Things, Season 3, Episodes 5 through
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7. Without further ado, we will, as Roger Smith
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says, dive on in. So get up to 88, because it's
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time to travel back. To our story recap. The
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mall crew, Dustin, Steve, Robin, and Erica, are
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stuck at the bottom of a very deep elevator shaft.
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But now they have company, allowing them to escape
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into a Russian underground base, no less. The
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same base where the gate -opening machine lives.
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Joyce and Hoop have kidnapped the Russian scientist,
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Alexei. and are trying to outrun the muscle Gregory,
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and make it to Illinois to visit Hooper's friend,
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who turns out to be Murray. Aha, Murray! Nancy
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and Jonathan have gone to find the kids to make
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sure Will is safe and figure out how to get the
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Flayed free of the Mind Flayer's clutches. Too
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bad if you fight and kill a flayed, they just
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turn into a really disgusting gelatinous blob.
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That when formed together, creates a horrifying
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monster. Episode 6. Steve and Robin are caught
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by the Russians, who torture Steve into finding
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out who he's working for. Nancy narrowly escapes
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the goo form of the monster, thanks to Elle.
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And Billy and Heather say it is time. Time for
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what? We don't know. because the monsters and
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Flayed have vanished. And while fighting his
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friends about Elle searching for them, Mike reveals
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he loves Elle. Elle dives into the in -between
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and Billy's memories to locate the source. Hopper,
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Joyce, and Murray are trying to get answers out
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of Alexi, who is being purposefully difficult,
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but eventually explains about how they have opened
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the gate. They call to tip off Owens and head
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back to Hawkins. Dustin and Erica to the rescue.
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They save Steve and Robin, but Elle is in danger.
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She tries to leave the memories, but gets stuck
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in the middle with Billy. While the rest of the
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Flayed leave the fireworks festivities and join
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the creature. Literally. Episode 7. But guys,
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don't worry about everything that has just happened.
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It's fun, fair time. Well, for some people. But
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for L and company, the Shadow Monster is on its
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way, and they must prepare themselves as best
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they can. Both L and the Shadow Monster are injured
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in the fight, but the group manages to escape.
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Max comes in clutch with first aid knowledge,
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and Lucas gets the idea to help L by using fireworks
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on the Shadow Monster. Mike! Uses the downtime
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to awkwardly stumble around, professing his Louvre.
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Nailed it! Well, it's Mike, so he didn't, but
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that's fine. The mall crew exit the base. Pursued
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by a bear. Nope, this isn't Shakespeare. Pursued
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by Russians! It doesn't help anyone that Steve
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and Robin were drugged out of their minds. But
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they are trapped in the mall. Joyce and Hoop
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rush! to save their kids, accompanied by Alexei
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and Murray, who give the non -couple a hilarious
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talking to. They begin the search at the fair,
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where the mayor calls in the Russians. Alexei
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is finally enjoying himself in America's capitalistic
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movement, and looking forward to becoming a capitalistic
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American, when he is killed by a non -capitalistic
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The Muscle. I know, Sierra, I'm sorry. Cue the
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overmark, sad overmark. Dun, dun, dun. Also,
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cue everyone meeting up in penultimate fashion.
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The adults here, we have kids. They are stealing
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them all over the radio, which that's not a Russian
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accent at all, but thank you for being here and
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still listening, everyone. The mall crew in question
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are hiding and saved by the kid kids. Sam, find
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your donut holes. It's time for our Knives Out
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category, where we sleuth out which three storylines
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are the most vital to pay attention to. Number
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one, The Gate. Number two, The Scientist. And
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number three, The Flayed. Okay, so this first
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one, The Gate. So, run everyone! Steven. Dear
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Steven. And Ruben. Dear Robin. They sacrifice
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their safety to let Dustin and Erica find some
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help. So Steve is then interrogated. Robin and
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Steve are then drugged. Dustin and Erica find
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deadly weapons. One of the best parts. One of
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the best lines. We'll get there. They distract
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the guards. They shocked the evil, druggie scientist.
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And then they escape to the movies where they
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witness back to the future. Dustin calls Mike
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for help because they're all stranded at the
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mall and they need a ride to escape the Russians.
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Drugged out Steve and Robin escape the movie
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theater to the bathroom where they vomit and
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Steve confesses his love. But Robin doesn't like
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men, so they are the best of friends but not
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lovers. Baby turned babysitter Dustin finds them,
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is super cross that they're having a great time,
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and then Russians start crawling over them all
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and they cannot escape. So, Sierra, what are
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your feelings about why this is important? This
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just really, first of all, keeps them stuck in
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the mall, which is the whole crux of, you know,
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I feel like a theme throughout the different
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seasons is wherever we end up spending time in
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the very first episode is often where the big
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battle will take place in the last episode. There's
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the school, and now here we have the mall. I
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think partially it's to set up the location.
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Also, it's so that we get an insider's look into
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what this base actually looks like when it is
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operating, because we're going to need to go
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back into it. So in order for them to actually
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make it into the base, per Alexei's instructions,
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we also need to have had eyes in there as well,
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not just a crudely drawn map. It's very, very
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helpful that Dustin and Erica, with their wits
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about them, have been crawling literally all
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over this base and therefore know what's going
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on in there. Yeah, I mean, I think this – it
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certainly helps to give more stakes to what the
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Russians are like as people. Like, you know,
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we're seeing them – it's not just, oh, this is
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the 1980s, the Cold War is still going on. Right.
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Reagan has not told Gorbachev to tear down the
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wall yet, so therefore they must be evil. No,
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we're seeing them be evil in their governmental
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pursuits and in two different factions, right?
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We'll also see it with the muscle, but also right
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here where they're drugging teenagers and don't
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believe the story of what's happening or any
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of that nature. So that's important. And then,
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like you're saying, The fact that we've got two
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people with their wits about them crawling around
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who are able to then give instructions to Hopper,
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Murray, and Joyce when they descend next our
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episode, but the finale of the show, that's also
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hugely, hugely important for closing the gate,
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which is the only thing that will take out this
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no longer shadow monster, the meat monster. Gross
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blob. Gross indeed. I think the other reason
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why this storyline is important as well is because
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of the levity that it brings with Steve and Robin,
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both being highly comedic, their entire being
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drugged with truth serum or whatever they give
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them. you know, rolling around on the floor and
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giggling at the movie and eating the popcorn.
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And then they end up having this really nice
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heart to heart, which is just so sweet. And so
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I feel like it brings the comedy, but then also
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just the sincerity and really seeing what a great
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friendship looks like. So it's fun. Plus we get
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Erica. And her sassiness. Oh, my gosh. Erica
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and her sassiness is just – Thrown into everything.
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Is she – you know, she was so annoying for both
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of us for so long. And then this episode, she's
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so endearing to me. Mm -hmm. Which I just love.
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She's very fun. And also, I think, thirdly, the
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other thing that's really important here is both
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for what this does for Steve's character, but
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also the overall story of this show and the way
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it's presenting to the audience that it is. We've
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got Steve. Who is able, with a couple blinks,
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but no more hesitation, to accept Robin for who
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she is. Showing us how incredible of a human
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being Steve is. Definitely, you know, a huge
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turnabout from what you would assume about his
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character at the beginning of season one. And
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setting him up more as this empathetic, understanding,
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intellectual. uh, an intellectually thoughtful,
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at least person that Nancy will kind of come
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to revitalize her, her love for in season four.
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Um, but also like, you know, we've, the, the
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fact that like, it, it wasn't just when gay marriage
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was passed that suddenly gay people existed,
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gay people existed throughout all time. And we
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get a glance to see that. in uh in season three
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here with robin and i think you know bringing
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in those characters which we already know there's
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maybe a little bit about will but but really
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showing the audience okay this is happening this
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is real and we are covering this topic i think
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is very important for the show overall so storyline
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number two the scientist alexi is here joyce
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and hopper find two russians working on machinery
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And after a gunfight with Arnold the Motorcycle
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Terminator, they go off into the woods. They
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commandeer a convertible, which is a very fun
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scene, and they drive to Illinois, where they
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bring Alexei to Murray. Hopper then proves his
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experience with interrogation skills, and Alexei
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reveals that the Russians are trying to open
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a gate to another dimension. But they had to
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come to where the gate had been opened before.
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Hopper calls Dr. Sam and gets the army there.
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Joyce doubles down and they realize that they
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should drive back to Hawkins to save their children.
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Murray gives an expose on how repressed Joyce
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and Hopper are about each other. Alexi and Murray
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laugh about the stagnation in Hopper and Joyce's
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relationship. Once they get there, Murray and
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Alexi stay in the car while Hopper and Joyce
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go to find their kids at the fair. But Mayor
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Klein sees them and calls the Boo. Boo. Schwarzenegger
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man shows up and murders Alexei in cold blood.
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Sorry. But not before Hopper and Joyce hold hands
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on a ride. Hopper fights Russians all over the
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fair. Grigory is shot, but he is wearing Kevlar.
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Cue Russians calling for backup in the mall.
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Yeah. So, this is important for a couple of different
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reasons. Mainly, though, Alexei disseminates
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the information to Murray about how to turn off
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the machine, or how to blow up the machine that
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is opening the gate. Which is what we're going
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to need, because the mind flayer is gross and
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is coming for you. And even L's two hands might
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not be able to stop it, which is unfortunate.
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So here we are with Alexei giving all that information
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out. More face -offs with Grigori, which I think
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is really fun. Just how much he looks like Arnold
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Schwarzenegger, but is Russian. It's just so
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fun. And then, of course, we get this huge tension.
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With Joyce and Hopper, where we're leaning more
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and more and more up to them getting together.
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But also, Murray is kind of lecturing them in
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the same way that he lectures Jonathan and Nancy
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the previous season. But because these are adults,
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they're way more stubborn. There's way more risk
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for them. They're not as easily malleable as
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just being like, children, children, I have a
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pull -out couch. Although he does children, children
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them. He does children, children them, but it
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doesn't work immediately. No, it doesn't. Because
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it's not like they have Murray drive back with
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Alexei in the front seat. So, no, it's, you know,
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there's some levity there as well, but there's
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this romantic tension that everyone's kind of
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building for. And then, of course, the tension
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of... More Russian stuff, and Grigori, this whole
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setup with Grigori and Hopper that we've been
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having, trying to finally have a great face -off.
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And of course, it's in a maze of mirrors, and
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it's just really fun with the fair. But I'll
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also point out two other things here. Mayor Klein
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gets to make a return, which I just love him,
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period. But the most important thing, other than
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Alexei telling us the information, is the wonderful
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writing skills. Of humanizing Alexi, giving us
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like such empathy and immediate build into this
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character where we're like, yeah, I buy in. I
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see what's going on with him. And then killing
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him. It's horrible. Wildly impactful. I think.
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And one of my most memorable parts of the season.
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Yeah. Yes. It's so good in that I hate it. I
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feel like once again, they introduced a character
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that. Very, very, very quickly, I was all in
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on. And then they kill him. Yeah. It's just Bob
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part two. Bob the sequel. Bob. I'm so upset about
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it. As soon as on this watch through, I definitely
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was dreading it the whole time. knew you know
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you know it's coming you know when it's going
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to be and how and how upsetting it is and it
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was still just as upsetting we literally canceled
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a podcast recording because you were too sad
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i was so sad no i was able to make it through
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but no we did do it we did do it we did But I
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had a warning ahead of time that I was going
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to be sad about. I'd seen the episode before,
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so I knew. Yeah, it's really effective. I love
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everything to do with that. And I just love that
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storyline. As soon as they have Alexei, I'm like
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instantly entertained. Yes. He says it's just
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strawberry. It's not cherry. It's strawberry.
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It's all the same. It's not the same. He respectfully
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tells you that it's not the same. It's a great
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scene. Oh, I absolutely love it. But then we
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have the Flayed storyline. Yes. So, at the hospital,
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Tom, the Hawkins Post boss, and blonde wig terrible
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Post journalist man, try to kill Nancy and Jonathan
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in their human forms, right? they are killed
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in turn by then nancy and jonathan uh showing
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but also they show that if you heard one flayed
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you hurt all of them which is something that
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we'll talk about later in terms of information
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being disseminated because like one guy gets
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hit and then the other guy in the other room
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was like ow it was like oh has that always been
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the case After they're killed, they turn into
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mini flesh shadow monster, meat monster thing.
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And Elle eventually attacks it and saves Nancy
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and Jonathan. But it's a great horror sequence.
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It's, I think, my favorite horror sequence of
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this season. Just the empty hospital, creepy
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monsters, you know, running down, all of that
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stuff. After that, the Flayed have disappeared
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off the face of the earth. But Mike wants people
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to be careful with Elle, as we said, because
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he loves her. And they can't – he's constantly
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saying you can't just use her like an unlimited
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source of power. He's kind of worried about her
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becoming a dead battery, right? If you let a
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battery flatline for too long, it will not recharge,
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which may have some consequences in the next
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episode. TBD. TBD indeed. Jonathan and Nancy
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are now with babies minus Dustin. And they realize
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they really need to find Billy because if they
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find Billy, they might find the flayed. And Elle
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finds them all right, but with huge consequences.
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So Eleven gets to peer into Billy's past and
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watches his memories, which instantly humanizes
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him and gives Elle an understanding of who she
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is. Yes. But also the audience. The audience
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really needs to know who he is at this point.
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Billy goes full Mind Flayer takeover and reveals
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that the army of humans has been built specifically
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for Eleven, and now he knows where Eleven is,
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and all the other non -Billy flayed disintegrate
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just like Tom and Blonde Wig Dude. He's found
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alright, but with huge consequences. So, after
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Eleven peers into Billy's past and watches his
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memories, which humanizes him both to L and the
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audience, Billy goes full mind flayer on her
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and reveals that the army of humans is for 11
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specifically. Now he knows where 11 is and all
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the other non -Billy flayed disintegrate and
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form a giant, like a giant flesh monster, way
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bigger than the one that Tom, the post boss and
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blonde wig man formed when they were killed.
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This monster attacks and bites 11. depositing
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a bit of itself into Eleven's leg. Nancy, the
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babies and company, minus Dustin, all go to a
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local grocery store to tend to Eleven's wound,
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which is where Max kicks in with that awesome
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knowledge. And they have a nostalgic argument
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about new Coke for some reason while Elle searches
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for Dustin in her weird little in -between world.
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But you see, Elle's wound is infected. And they
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leave. for them all to go save people once they
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know where Dustin is and arrive just in time
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to save Dustin, Erica, Robin, and Steve. But,
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Sierra, there's something in hell's leg. Dun,
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dun, dun! Yes. So tell me, why is the storyline
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important, other than it being the main storyline
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that everyone needs to know? Other than it being
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the main storyline that everybody needs to know,
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I would say there is a whole lot of information.
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About how the upside down creatures and Mind
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Flayer in particular work. So how does the Mind
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Flayer interact with others? It's possession
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of an individual. It's turning into Flayed. It's
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creation of itself. And as a larger, huger grossness.
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That is absolutely terrifying with way too many
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teeth. And there is a lot of also figuring out
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how all of that interacts with Eleven. So that
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specifically she's being targeted, that specifically
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the Mind Flayer knows about her and is interested
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in her and wants to beat her slash potentially
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sway her. Sway, absorb, kill. It's unclear. It's
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very unclear. I thought that that was an interesting
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thing to leave open because it seems when Billy
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says, this is all for you, it almost seems like
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I'm gifting you this army. Yeah. In my initial
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read of it. Now, obviously, I'm gifting you this
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army, but I'm also going to try to kill you with
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it. Kind of doesn't track. Right. However, I
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do think that there is kind of that option here
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of you can turn and control it or you can be
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killed by it. Yeah. So that is, I think, the
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most interesting. And I still think it's a little
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up for question with the way that season four
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goes. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I find this storyline
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exceedingly impactful in terms of the overall
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messaging of the story. As we get to the conclusion
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of the Mind Flayer storyline in the next episode,
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it's even more so, specifically around L's powers.
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But there's these huge moments of Mind Flayer
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directly communicating with L to be like, this
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is for you. yeah and and in season three you
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have no idea what that means it right and and
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that's it was such a chilling moment i mean stranger
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things is moving to this like uh half a season
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then half a season then a finale over the the
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major holidays because they kept losing out on
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um media time essentially like what we're doing
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right now people reacting to it and so you would
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have stranger things and it would be amazing
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for a week and for that week for season three
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i remember how big this moment was it was a lot
00:23:05.240 --> 00:23:08.980
like when in game of thrones when john snow fights
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the white walker sort of command for the first
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time and that head white walker as john is sailing
00:23:15.380 --> 00:23:19.670
away at him and lifts his hands to the air and
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is directly looking at John. And everyone was
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like, what does that mean? Now that one moment
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raged for a week and, and sort of, you know,
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stranger things kind of lost out because they
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had everything all at once. Um, but this moment
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I think is the main thing that I remember other
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than Dustin singing, uh, from the finale. This
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is the, this is the one moment that I remember
00:23:42.250 --> 00:23:44.799
people talking about the most, which is. It's
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made for who? By what's design? Also, is the
00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:51.599
person that Heather was being taken over by a
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part of this? And it turns out, yes. So it's
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just huge. It's enormous. It's something to watch
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for, y 'all. And that's going to be that on that
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little section. So keep your finger on the pause
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button and rewind the tape. We're going to be
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reviewing our prestige category for what did
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we notice on this watch through. Episode five.
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Tell me about it. So, kind of a good thing that
00:24:16.579 --> 00:24:19.359
Nancy and Jonathan already hated the guys from
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the office. They had to end up fighting as the
00:24:23.220 --> 00:24:26.140
Flayed because otherwise that would have been
00:24:26.140 --> 00:24:30.000
really crazy on their psyche. Yeah. Can you imagine
00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:32.920
if it was just, you know, a friend from school?
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Right. Or someone that they enjoyed hanging out
00:24:36.259 --> 00:24:40.180
with. It's Mike and Will. A family member. Yeah.
00:24:40.180 --> 00:24:43.470
Exactly. So. That would have been pretty brutal.
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So kind of convenient that they already were
00:24:46.509 --> 00:24:49.329
not fans and Nancy got to take out all of her
00:24:49.329 --> 00:24:52.609
great aggression on them. So this is a total
00:24:52.609 --> 00:24:55.549
joke for anybody that's listening, but they have
00:24:55.549 --> 00:25:01.549
PTSD still, but it's a better PTSD. Yeah. We
00:25:01.549 --> 00:25:04.069
did have to kill people we know, but at least
00:25:04.069 --> 00:25:11.359
it was people we did not. We ate. Yes. My. The
00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:14.220
next thing that I brought up is still in the
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hospital. How exactly is the hospital empty,
00:25:17.559 --> 00:25:20.660
but the lady at the front desk is still there
00:25:20.660 --> 00:25:23.279
trying to keep people from going back? It's really
00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:25.980
late at night. We know that. It's one of the
00:25:25.980 --> 00:25:28.680
reasons. Number two, they do run through a bunch
00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:31.880
of people who have already been killed by those
00:25:31.880 --> 00:25:35.000
two men. Yeah, but it didn't seem like there
00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:38.369
was a bunch of patients. Well, yeah. There were
00:25:38.369 --> 00:25:40.710
some people that were attached to bags and stuff
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and in hospital gowns that they killed. But number
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three, the most important one, where they have
00:25:45.910 --> 00:25:49.750
the main fight is in a construction zone. There's
00:25:49.750 --> 00:25:52.549
a little sign that says it. So the hospital's
00:25:52.549 --> 00:25:55.410
not empty. It's just like that floor is completely
00:25:55.410 --> 00:25:58.069
under construction, I guess. They just happen
00:25:58.069 --> 00:26:03.500
to... Yeah, it's contrived, certainly. Yes. But
00:26:03.500 --> 00:26:05.759
it just it just struck me as so odd because they
00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:07.779
go up there and there's basically nobody there.
00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:10.119
I know. And yet this lady at the front desk is
00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:12.980
like only two people at once. That's her job.
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:15.680
She's doing a great job. Other than being on
00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:17.019
the phone while people are trying to be like,
00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:20.700
please save us. Call the cops. Yeah. Other than
00:26:20.700 --> 00:26:24.200
not doing her job, she's doing a great job. I
00:26:24.200 --> 00:26:27.420
think that this is a very small aside, but I
00:26:27.420 --> 00:26:30.400
think that when. They're all gathering together
00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:32.720
to kind of discuss what the next steps are going
00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:35.339
to be and finding the source, all the kids. Lucas
00:26:35.339 --> 00:26:38.579
calls their chat a family meeting. And I think
00:26:38.579 --> 00:26:41.900
that that's so cute, especially since they're
00:26:41.900 --> 00:26:45.680
all kids. And it's all of the kids except for
00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:49.099
Dustin. But it's just so adorable. They're like,
00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:52.059
we are a family. Yeah, it's really. Family meeting.
00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:57.079
It's really cute. For Hopper and Joyce's storyline
00:26:57.079 --> 00:26:59.880
in episode five, I just find Hopper's instincts
00:26:59.880 --> 00:27:03.119
are so incredible. And I just admire the way
00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:04.480
that they've written that character to make me
00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:08.420
believe it. Yeah. Joyce's ferociousness is also
00:27:08.420 --> 00:27:13.119
great. But is their story just a little too campy?
00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:19.440
Maybe a little. I kind of have a hard time when...
00:27:20.089 --> 00:27:24.450
A storyline breaks off so much from the rest
00:27:24.450 --> 00:27:28.589
of everything else. And it almost feels like
00:27:28.589 --> 00:27:34.130
potentially all of the them not being in Hawkins
00:27:34.130 --> 00:27:37.390
could have been done in a quarter of an episode
00:27:37.390 --> 00:27:40.509
where they go and they talk to Murray and they
00:27:40.509 --> 00:27:43.789
have Alexi and they interrogate him on the way
00:27:43.789 --> 00:27:47.710
back. Yeah. And it didn't need to be a whole.
00:27:48.650 --> 00:27:51.990
plot line i suppose however there is a lot of
00:27:51.990 --> 00:27:55.170
information that we get from it but it is a little
00:27:55.170 --> 00:27:59.250
i i think the reason it feels campy is just because
00:27:59.250 --> 00:28:03.109
it is so isolated and it's such a repeat of nancy
00:28:03.109 --> 00:28:05.170
and jonathan's like it's such a reflection a
00:28:05.170 --> 00:28:08.309
mirroring of it and i just like they have these
00:28:08.309 --> 00:28:11.130
sort of like melodramatic arguments that's clearly
00:28:11.130 --> 00:28:14.269
like you guys are gonna get together and i i
00:28:14.269 --> 00:28:16.930
just like there's there's just part because Hopper
00:28:16.930 --> 00:28:18.970
and Joyce's storylines have been so grounded
00:28:18.970 --> 00:28:21.430
and kind of the thing that makes all the adults
00:28:21.430 --> 00:28:25.450
willing, I think, to watch those episodes. Or
00:28:25.450 --> 00:28:27.009
at least a lot of adult viewers, not all the
00:28:27.009 --> 00:28:29.549
adults, clearly. And it's just such a switch
00:28:29.549 --> 00:28:32.190
to make them the sort of comic relief, romantic
00:28:32.190 --> 00:28:35.710
things. Maybe it actually isn't too campy, but
00:28:35.710 --> 00:28:38.150
in juxtaposition from the past two seasons, I'm
00:28:38.150 --> 00:28:41.089
kind of like, whoa. Especially while we've been
00:28:41.089 --> 00:28:44.289
watching at this rate back to back. It just feels
00:28:44.289 --> 00:28:49.599
a little whiplashy. Episode 6. This guy looks
00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:52.759
like Gollum's uglier twin. Who are we talking
00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:56.779
about? The Russian scientist who drugs them.
00:28:57.119 --> 00:29:00.140
Oh, absolutely. Yeah, you're totally right. Cheers
00:29:00.140 --> 00:29:02.539
to him. I'm sure you're a wonderful person in
00:29:02.539 --> 00:29:04.400
real life. I'm sorry. I'm sure you're great.
00:29:04.539 --> 00:29:08.259
That was just my initial thought. It's very Schmeagle
00:29:08.259 --> 00:29:14.240
coded. And even just the way he scrunches his
00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:17.200
body up and gets in their face and everything.
00:29:17.380 --> 00:29:21.440
It just, oh gosh. Yep. It was just the first
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:23.519
thing that came to my mind and I had to write
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:26.460
it down. Well, you did. And now it's on a podcast
00:29:26.460 --> 00:29:32.279
and now everyone's heard it. It may be unusual
00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:34.859
for me to do this on the pod, but I have some
00:29:34.859 --> 00:29:40.920
Mike slander. I am shocked to my very core. To
00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:44.019
my core. There's this whole conversation about,
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:47.859
like, oh, don't use Eleven too much. Like, you're
00:29:47.859 --> 00:29:49.640
going to run her battery out, that Mike's saying.
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:55.339
And they're like, no, we need her to find Billy
00:29:55.339 --> 00:29:59.079
and find Dustin. Like, we need to use her. And
00:29:59.079 --> 00:30:01.059
I will say, at the very beginning of that argument,
00:30:01.460 --> 00:30:04.539
Max is making excellent points where she's coming
00:30:04.539 --> 00:30:08.619
to bat for Elle, being like, Who knows Eleven's
00:30:08.619 --> 00:30:12.240
boundaries more than you? Her. Elle does, actually.
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:14.519
Elle gets to dictate who she is. And I'm, like,
00:30:14.539 --> 00:30:16.859
very much on Max's side in this argument. Oh,
00:30:16.859 --> 00:30:19.740
yeah. And just an FYI, everybody, Mike actually
00:30:19.740 --> 00:30:21.440
doesn't get to dictate what Elle does, ever.
00:30:22.299 --> 00:30:31.059
Yeah. No. It is not his job. I want to discuss
00:30:31.059 --> 00:30:36.500
probably the biggest section of this episode.
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:41.440
Yeah. In terms of impact and acting and information,
00:30:41.740 --> 00:30:47.039
etc. Yeah. I would like to discuss how potentially
00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:53.059
cliche, but also accurate and heartbreaking Billy's
00:30:53.059 --> 00:30:56.440
backstory is. All of it. His father's abusive.
00:30:56.480 --> 00:31:00.460
His mom leaves as a result, leaving Billy behind
00:31:00.460 --> 00:31:04.119
to continue being verbally and physically abused.
00:31:04.750 --> 00:31:07.829
And now he's also abandoned by the one parent
00:31:07.829 --> 00:31:12.390
who loves, loved him, loves him. I mean, none
00:31:12.390 --> 00:31:16.089
of this excuses his attempted murder of people
00:31:16.089 --> 00:31:21.069
repeatedly. Yeah. Or evident racism. Yeah. Or,
00:31:21.170 --> 00:31:24.289
or any of that. None of this excuses the attempting
00:31:24.289 --> 00:31:28.430
rundown of three kids on bikes and other horrible
00:31:28.430 --> 00:31:33.529
things that he's done. But holy heck, it's. It's
00:31:33.529 --> 00:31:36.789
very impactful. It's very well done. Yeah. I
00:31:36.789 --> 00:31:43.710
find it very sad. I find I'm almost a bit annoyed.
00:31:43.829 --> 00:31:46.450
And not because it's not good. I'm just a bit
00:31:46.450 --> 00:31:48.569
annoyed that we don't see the mother's reasoning
00:31:48.569 --> 00:31:52.549
ever. Because it must be such a difficult decision
00:31:52.549 --> 00:31:56.670
to be like, for my own safety, I'm leaving the
00:31:56.670 --> 00:31:59.470
man. That's not hard. But I'm leaving my kid
00:31:59.470 --> 00:32:03.240
with him. I do not understand the mom's reasoning.
00:32:03.660 --> 00:32:07.480
Right. Given what we are given. Yeah. It doesn't
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:11.440
make any sense to me. As a mom, if my husband's
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:13.660
great, so I'm not in this situation, guys. But
00:32:13.660 --> 00:32:17.200
if I was in this situation, there's no way I'm
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:20.339
leaving my kids behind. Yeah, totally. Even if
00:32:20.339 --> 00:32:23.539
they're not little, little like they are now,
00:32:23.740 --> 00:32:27.779
it doesn't matter. I don't understand. The only
00:32:27.779 --> 00:32:31.849
thing that I can potentially think of. Is one
00:32:31.849 --> 00:32:35.509
of those, like, she had to run and she had to
00:32:35.509 --> 00:32:38.930
be by herself and she intended on coming back
00:32:38.930 --> 00:32:42.549
for him, but if she had taken him, it would have
00:32:42.549 --> 00:32:45.750
been considered kidnapping. Yeah, which it wouldn't.
00:32:45.769 --> 00:32:49.509
Like, I... No, I mean, yeah, this is, like, it's
00:32:49.509 --> 00:32:52.009
not that scenario. Like, that scenario is not
00:32:52.009 --> 00:32:54.650
accurate. And do we really think that the father
00:32:54.650 --> 00:32:58.220
would actually try to, like... sue her for custody.
00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:01.420
Right, right. I don't think that he cares enough.
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:06.940
This whole situation is so outside of the norm
00:33:06.940 --> 00:33:09.299
that we see in both media and in real life where
00:33:09.299 --> 00:33:14.019
you see mothers leave, certainly, but bring kids.
00:33:14.619 --> 00:33:18.319
And so I just, I think it's a very compelling
00:33:18.319 --> 00:33:22.220
backstory and I think only seeing Billy's version
00:33:22.220 --> 00:33:24.180
of it, which is that she leaves, makes sense
00:33:24.180 --> 00:33:26.440
because we're in Billy's head. But I'm like,
00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:29.680
It itches at me in the back of my head where
00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:34.200
I'm like, I just want to know why she left Billy,
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:37.279
too. Yeah. I feel like there's a piece of the
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:40.299
story missing. Yeah, totally. And it's very frustrating
00:33:40.299 --> 00:33:45.460
because we don't get it. But coming back to Hawkins.
00:33:45.859 --> 00:33:49.599
Yes. When Elle enters Billy's head, is Billy
00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:52.119
trying to communicate with Elle? I'm not a bad
00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:53.980
person. This is what my background is. Or is
00:33:53.980 --> 00:33:56.819
he? Is he somehow protecting himself by trying
00:33:56.819 --> 00:34:01.460
to have happy thoughts? What is it that causes
00:34:01.460 --> 00:34:05.019
her to go through and get a perfect montage of
00:34:05.019 --> 00:34:11.500
why he is who he is? So I think – here's my –
00:34:11.500 --> 00:34:14.360
because I was thinking about this as well. My
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:19.960
idea is that – I think it's a little bit of twofold.
00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:23.570
On the one hand – I think that the beach memory
00:34:23.570 --> 00:34:30.530
in particular, the beach memory is kind of the
00:34:30.530 --> 00:34:34.469
closest thing that I can think of. I guess it's
00:34:34.469 --> 00:34:37.809
more on that he's protecting himself by having
00:34:37.809 --> 00:34:41.949
a happy thought. But I think that it's more just
00:34:41.949 --> 00:34:45.050
like the last happiness that he can remember.
00:34:45.150 --> 00:34:50.059
And that is what he's clinging to. As the rest
00:34:50.059 --> 00:34:53.019
of his personality and who he is becomes erased
00:34:53.019 --> 00:34:56.900
and replaced by the mind player. I think it's
00:34:56.900 --> 00:35:00.880
a little akin to in Supernatural when they fight
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:05.320
Jin. If the Jin gets you, it basically injects
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:10.280
you with its venom and you live a very, very
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:13.619
happy life and it's feeding off of you the whole
00:35:13.619 --> 00:35:16.480
time. So I almost think that there's a little
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:19.610
bit of an element of that where. It's the mind
00:35:19.610 --> 00:35:22.369
flare is almost keeping him complacent by allowing
00:35:22.369 --> 00:35:26.989
him these memories. But also when we then see
00:35:26.989 --> 00:35:31.409
the this is who I am. That's because she's trying
00:35:31.409 --> 00:35:33.670
to find the source and she's getting closer and
00:35:33.670 --> 00:35:37.250
closer to the source and the source of how the
00:35:37.250 --> 00:35:40.650
mind flare is able to get Billy is because of
00:35:40.650 --> 00:35:43.250
all these things. Okay. And so because of all
00:35:43.250 --> 00:35:45.050
these things, it's made him who he is, which
00:35:45.050 --> 00:35:47.889
has made him a candidate. to be taken over by
00:35:47.889 --> 00:35:52.050
the mind flayer yeah yeah and so billy is that
00:35:52.050 --> 00:35:55.170
like the source of billy's pain is the source
00:35:55.170 --> 00:35:57.170
yeah of the mind flayer okay that's what the
00:35:57.170 --> 00:35:59.170
mind flare is feeding i like that i like that
00:35:59.170 --> 00:36:03.550
a lot yeah excellent well stated continuing to
00:36:03.550 --> 00:36:08.909
discuss daycare montgomery i would like to have
00:36:08.909 --> 00:36:13.230
a moment to talk about his acting in general
00:36:13.230 --> 00:36:16.130
this season I know we talked about last episode
00:36:16.130 --> 00:36:19.710
as well, so we can move on specifically to when
00:36:19.710 --> 00:36:24.829
he's speaking to Elle as the mind flayer and
00:36:24.829 --> 00:36:29.869
the, quote, single man tear rolls down his face.
00:36:30.070 --> 00:36:36.710
It is expert level conflict and emotion being
00:36:36.710 --> 00:36:42.630
portrayed and the sheer acting in. The tiny details
00:36:42.630 --> 00:36:49.010
of his face is phenomenal. You see he is fully
00:36:49.010 --> 00:36:52.010
Mind Flayer and just that one tear is just the
00:36:52.010 --> 00:36:55.409
little bit of Billy that is still clinging and
00:36:55.409 --> 00:36:58.230
does not like what is happening. Yeah, I like
00:36:58.230 --> 00:37:02.730
that. Oh, my God. It's a brilliant moment. It's
00:37:02.730 --> 00:37:06.550
a brilliant moment to share that the person is
00:37:06.550 --> 00:37:09.210
still inside, which is enormously important.
00:37:09.949 --> 00:37:14.590
For next episode. Our next episode, the finale.
00:37:14.769 --> 00:37:17.530
Now we'll discuss the actual next episode, which
00:37:17.530 --> 00:37:19.409
is seven, which is not what I'm talking about.
00:37:20.469 --> 00:37:24.510
Episode seven, y 'all. Okay. Another moment where
00:37:24.510 --> 00:37:28.849
I seriously am. I continue to question if the
00:37:28.849 --> 00:37:31.610
Wheeler little sister is somehow connected to
00:37:31.610 --> 00:37:34.559
the upside down because. She's the only one who
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:37.139
sees something in the wall in Will's room, except
00:37:37.139 --> 00:37:40.320
for Joyce. And now she's the only one who notices
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:43.980
the monster in the trees during the fireworks.
00:37:44.699 --> 00:37:47.059
Everybody else, I know she's looking down instead
00:37:47.059 --> 00:37:49.619
of looking up, but there's other people and this
00:37:49.619 --> 00:37:53.579
monster is huge and the trees are moving. And
00:37:53.579 --> 00:37:58.199
she is still somehow the only one who can see
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:03.329
it. Yeah. I don't think. that she has any connection
00:38:03.329 --> 00:38:07.010
to the upside down but it is odd and maybe at
00:38:07.010 --> 00:38:08.969
the end of this you know we'll we'll have this
00:38:08.969 --> 00:38:11.349
sort of like almost last jedi moment where at
00:38:11.349 --> 00:38:14.489
the end of season five like everybody with powers
00:38:14.489 --> 00:38:19.730
is dead and then she'll like you know use the
00:38:19.730 --> 00:38:21.469
force a little bit and we'll be like oh my gosh
00:38:21.469 --> 00:38:24.369
there's still people out there uh or or it'll
00:38:24.369 --> 00:38:26.530
be a little bit like magneto where he like moves
00:38:26.530 --> 00:38:29.789
the chess piece right at the end of x2 or x3
00:38:29.789 --> 00:38:34.219
i should say So, we'll see. Yeah. But it is,
00:38:34.340 --> 00:38:37.179
speaking of the shadow monster, though, or the
00:38:37.179 --> 00:38:42.940
goo body monster, the grossness. The grossness.
00:38:43.139 --> 00:38:46.579
It is crazy. The grossness. I shall label him
00:38:46.579 --> 00:38:51.840
the grossness. It is kind of crazy that Nancy
00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:55.920
hears the monster coming before Will's spidey
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:58.170
sense goes off. I just think that's Will sort
00:38:58.170 --> 00:39:00.110
of being distracted by the fact that he's crushing
00:39:00.110 --> 00:39:02.489
on Mike and Mike is professing his love to Elle.
00:39:04.050 --> 00:39:08.730
But still, it just seems he always notices right
00:39:08.730 --> 00:39:10.789
away when the sense does go off. You know, he
00:39:10.789 --> 00:39:13.090
always touches his neck and we get the zoom in
00:39:13.090 --> 00:39:16.849
and everything. But it is weird that she hears
00:39:16.849 --> 00:39:21.309
it first. I do wonder if it is. I could be totally
00:39:21.309 --> 00:39:24.130
off base with this. This is definitely a shot
00:39:24.130 --> 00:39:27.619
in the dark. I do wonder if. There's more to
00:39:27.619 --> 00:39:34.179
Will than we see. Yeah. And maybe his loyalties
00:39:34.179 --> 00:39:37.980
aren't as with these people and against Vecna
00:39:37.980 --> 00:39:40.800
slash the Shadow Monster as we think, or there's
00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:42.840
still a bit of the Shadow Monster in him that
00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:45.719
can manipulate him into not realizing things,
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:48.860
or if he's got extra powers that he's working
00:39:48.860 --> 00:39:51.539
through. And so I wonder if this will be a...
00:39:52.170 --> 00:39:55.389
what I will call sort of a Dumbledore flash of
00:39:55.389 --> 00:39:57.550
eyes moment where you remember Goblet of Fire.
00:39:57.929 --> 00:40:00.469
We find out that this is a spoiler for anybody
00:40:00.469 --> 00:40:02.030
who hasn't read Harry Potter. We find out that
00:40:02.030 --> 00:40:04.250
Voldemort uses Harry's blood and that ends up
00:40:04.250 --> 00:40:07.969
being a hugely important detail for book seven.
00:40:08.070 --> 00:40:11.570
I just wonder if that moment of Nancy hearing
00:40:11.570 --> 00:40:14.510
it before will is actually an important moment
00:40:14.510 --> 00:40:19.179
or if it's just like. Because Will does go, oh
00:40:19.179 --> 00:40:21.420
my gosh, oh yeah, it is here right afterwards.
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:25.820
So we'll see. Right. We'll see. I have thoughts
00:40:25.820 --> 00:40:30.639
about sort of the brevity of this episode, which
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:33.480
is both like, Robin and Steve are just so funny.
00:40:33.880 --> 00:40:37.860
And I find sort of being drugged out moments
00:40:37.860 --> 00:40:41.639
usually not very funny at all and cliche and
00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:45.559
the acting, you know, is uninteresting. But I
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:48.920
find it. Absolutely so funny. Additionally, I
00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:53.219
find Alexi's story so compelling. What is it
00:40:53.219 --> 00:40:57.199
that you think is so interesting about both Robin
00:40:57.199 --> 00:41:01.059
and Steve and Alexi's part? I think there's just
00:41:01.059 --> 00:41:04.699
a little bit, especially in, you know, speaking
00:41:04.699 --> 00:41:07.760
specifically to this episode, I think it's a
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:12.360
lot of the just truth and openness that's happening
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:17.199
on both. In both cases, you know, Robin and Steve
00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:20.059
are kind of being forced to tell the truth and
00:41:20.059 --> 00:41:22.639
to just kind of say what's on their minds and
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:26.760
whatever. And then Alexi is feeling more open
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:30.360
and being able to actually just have a friend
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:35.559
and pal around a little bit and joke, have inside
00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:38.820
jokes and everything. And I think that. There's
00:41:38.820 --> 00:41:41.340
a little bit of that going on with Robin and
00:41:41.340 --> 00:41:44.880
Steve and then also Alexi and Murray, where the
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:47.000
characters are just so endearing. And there's
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:51.219
almost when characters are more open and honest
00:41:51.219 --> 00:41:56.099
and truthful, they become a little bit more innocent
00:41:56.099 --> 00:42:00.519
and endearing in that way. And really brings
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:04.329
them back to kind of their basic. humanity and
00:42:04.329 --> 00:42:07.429
basics of who they are and so i think that that's
00:42:07.429 --> 00:42:11.570
really what draws me to all of them in this episode
00:42:11.570 --> 00:42:15.289
is they're just being who they are just pure
00:42:15.289 --> 00:42:18.449
plain and simple excellent excellent excellent
00:42:18.449 --> 00:42:23.289
excellent points well done and then you know
00:42:23.289 --> 00:42:26.070
knowing what's going to happen to alexi i was
00:42:26.070 --> 00:42:28.809
already crying when he goes off to play the games
00:42:28.809 --> 00:42:34.389
i was already crying It is sad. They do a really
00:42:34.389 --> 00:42:38.389
effective job with it. They do. But to distract
00:42:38.389 --> 00:42:42.570
myself from that, why does Elle bother distracting
00:42:42.570 --> 00:42:45.610
the Russians before just throwing the car at
00:42:45.610 --> 00:42:49.210
them? Because it would be just as effective to
00:42:49.210 --> 00:42:52.409
just throw the car at them. She doesn't have
00:42:52.409 --> 00:42:55.030
to make the alarms go off and make them look
00:42:55.030 --> 00:42:57.789
in the other direction. It's not like they moved
00:42:57.789 --> 00:43:00.550
at all. They didn't get into the path of the
00:43:00.550 --> 00:43:04.650
car. She could have just sent the car flying
00:43:04.650 --> 00:43:08.730
into them instead of the alarms going off and
00:43:08.730 --> 00:43:11.630
then send the car flying into them. It does feel
00:43:11.630 --> 00:43:16.250
like she needs Mike, who's already sort of trying
00:43:16.250 --> 00:43:18.050
to control what she's doing anyway, to just be
00:43:18.050 --> 00:43:20.489
like her first base coach and be like, okay,
00:43:20.550 --> 00:43:22.550
no, you don't need to do that. Think about efficiency
00:43:22.550 --> 00:43:25.510
and economy of motion. All we want to do is just
00:43:25.510 --> 00:43:27.210
smash them with the car. Don't bother with the
00:43:27.210 --> 00:43:31.590
theatrics. Yeah. I get that, you know, it's kind
00:43:31.590 --> 00:43:33.889
of like a reveal. Oh, what's going on with the
00:43:33.889 --> 00:43:36.590
car? Oh, she's done this before. Oh, it must
00:43:36.590 --> 00:43:39.710
be Elle. And then the car. But I feel like it's
00:43:39.710 --> 00:43:43.909
just as impactful as a reveal to just a car comes
00:43:43.909 --> 00:43:47.849
flying. Yeah. Maybe it's to remind us that the
00:43:47.849 --> 00:43:50.809
car is there and that she's not just bringing
00:43:50.809 --> 00:43:55.090
a car from outside. Hi, guys. I brought this
00:43:55.090 --> 00:43:59.170
with me. I brought my car from home. May I use
00:43:59.170 --> 00:44:02.570
it to kill you? B -Y -O -C. B -Y -O -C. It's
00:44:02.570 --> 00:44:05.110
like showing up with... Hi, this is my lizard.
00:44:05.190 --> 00:44:11.309
I brought him from home. This is my car. B -Y
00:44:11.309 --> 00:44:14.849
-O -C. Bang. Yeah, I mean, it's probably for
00:44:14.849 --> 00:44:18.210
several, like, show reasons, not writing reasons.
00:44:18.929 --> 00:44:22.309
Yeah. It still bothers me, though. Yeah, of course.
00:44:23.210 --> 00:44:26.159
But... You don't always have to face down a horde
00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:30.800
of angry Russian soldiers by yourself, L. Buckle
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:33.960
up, Schmisseners, because it's time for our Sansa
00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:37.860
is smarter than John category. What is the most
00:44:37.860 --> 00:44:41.500
important character moment in this set of episodes?
00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:45.280
There's one answer. There's one answer. Robin
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:48.300
admitting her interest in Tammy Thompson and
00:44:48.300 --> 00:44:50.940
Steve immediately accepting her. Yep, it's huge.
00:44:51.219 --> 00:44:54.340
Immediately. The floor is yours, Sierra. Yes,
00:44:54.340 --> 00:44:57.300
it is the most important character moment, both
00:44:57.300 --> 00:45:01.840
for Robin and for Steve. But I do believe mostly
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:06.380
for Steve. Yeah. On Robin's side, it is huge
00:45:06.380 --> 00:45:09.900
for her to trust somebody with this secret. It
00:45:09.900 --> 00:45:13.840
is absolutely huge. She has seen what has happened
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:17.320
to other people in her situation. It is not great.
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:20.360
She is afraid of being judged. She's already
00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:26.630
not. super popular and she is going out on a
00:45:26.630 --> 00:45:30.469
limb to admit this to somebody who has really
00:45:30.469 --> 00:45:34.150
only been her friend for a month maybe something
00:45:34.150 --> 00:45:38.309
like that and but it is the most important thing
00:45:38.309 --> 00:45:41.030
for steve because kind of as you were saying
00:45:41.030 --> 00:45:48.349
before it really really uh hits home how good
00:45:48.349 --> 00:45:54.900
of a person steve is and how He is with everyone
00:45:54.900 --> 00:45:58.019
around him and accepting. And hey, you're a little
00:45:58.019 --> 00:46:00.099
weird. You're a little weird. You've got a difference
00:46:00.099 --> 00:46:03.599
here. You've got a difference there. I may have
00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:06.139
been most popular in high school for a long time
00:46:06.139 --> 00:46:09.940
until that darn Billy showed up. But I will accept
00:46:09.940 --> 00:46:12.559
all of you. I've already adopted a horde of small
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:15.179
children. I will now accept you as my best friend.
00:46:15.260 --> 00:46:24.469
It's all fine. Oh, that's so funny. I know you
00:46:24.469 --> 00:46:26.909
just lost a hand, Sierra, but listen up. It's
00:46:26.909 --> 00:46:30.730
the I am your father category for most iconic
00:46:30.730 --> 00:46:34.110
character moment. What you got? Elle flipping
00:46:34.110 --> 00:46:37.489
yet another car. Guys, don't let her around vehicles
00:46:37.489 --> 00:46:40.590
that you care about. Unless she likes you, then
00:46:40.590 --> 00:46:44.710
your car might work. But if she doesn't like
00:46:44.710 --> 00:46:47.210
you, keep your... your wife your children and
00:46:47.210 --> 00:46:51.269
your cars away from her um i entirely disagree
00:46:51.269 --> 00:46:53.989
i think that this is extremely way less iconic
00:46:53.989 --> 00:46:58.130
than her car flipping season one i have an honorable
00:46:58.130 --> 00:47:00.250
mention and then the actual thing that i think
00:47:00.250 --> 00:47:02.489
it is the honorable mention is alexi being shot
00:47:02.489 --> 00:47:06.489
just because of how well the sequencing is done
00:47:06.489 --> 00:47:09.570
uh we've talked a lot about him already but so
00:47:09.570 --> 00:47:12.090
it should be no surprise that the honorable mention
00:47:12.090 --> 00:47:15.090
goes to alexi being shot in reality i think it's
00:47:15.090 --> 00:47:18.969
the house of mirrors fight which i think is you
00:47:18.969 --> 00:47:22.230
know it's been done 10 000 times but i think
00:47:22.230 --> 00:47:26.750
it's so well done here uh and it's it's one of
00:47:26.750 --> 00:47:29.010
the one times that like hop isn't being forced
00:47:29.010 --> 00:47:31.510
into his uh like harrison ford reference time
00:47:32.420 --> 00:47:39.300
Yeah. Grigori's total not understanding of how
00:47:39.300 --> 00:47:41.539
it works versus Hop's mastery over it, I think
00:47:41.539 --> 00:47:44.639
is really neat and cool. There's so little dialogue
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:46.619
in the moment. I think you can really feel the
00:47:46.619 --> 00:47:49.840
stakes as it plays out. Then you see this great
00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:53.139
moment of triumph with Hop killing him. Grigori,
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:56.780
you think. And then he's wearing Kevlar. So he
00:47:56.780 --> 00:48:00.139
survives and he runs after Hop and Hop sees him.
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:04.179
And then in this hilarious moment, he goes down
00:48:04.179 --> 00:48:06.780
a slide. And like any adult who's ever been down
00:48:06.780 --> 00:48:09.659
a slide ever, you realize how much they hurt
00:48:09.659 --> 00:48:12.840
an adult body. And he just swears the entire
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:16.300
way down. It's the best. It's the one that we
00:48:16.300 --> 00:48:18.820
should definitely nominate and vote for. And
00:48:18.820 --> 00:48:21.840
it wins. Yes, that's fine. I accept that. Excellent,
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:24.260
thank you. Elle already won for flipping a car.
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:26.079
She doesn't need a second one. Yeah, yeah, totally.
00:48:26.139 --> 00:48:28.760
Same trick. What are you, a one trick pony? Yep.
00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:34.349
Come on. Correct. Everybody, sit down. It's time
00:48:34.349 --> 00:48:40.269
for our I am Iron Man. Most iconic and most important
00:48:40.269 --> 00:48:44.809
scene category. One answer again. One answer.
00:48:44.829 --> 00:48:48.650
And it's this quote. All this time, we've been
00:48:48.650 --> 00:48:52.309
building it. Building it for you. Billy says
00:48:52.309 --> 00:48:55.889
with the mind flares voice while one tear rolls
00:48:55.889 --> 00:48:59.989
down his face. Yeah, it's it's. All the things.
00:49:00.050 --> 00:49:01.530
It's the most important thing to the episode.
00:49:01.590 --> 00:49:04.289
It's the most iconic and most important scene.
00:49:05.369 --> 00:49:09.269
It's huge. It's hugely important in every single
00:49:09.269 --> 00:49:13.650
possible way. Yeah. Which leads us to our Elijah
00:49:13.650 --> 00:49:17.389
Wood, no, how could we have known category, where
00:49:17.389 --> 00:49:19.570
we crack open an encyclopedia and discuss the
00:49:19.570 --> 00:49:21.289
most important information disseminated to the
00:49:21.289 --> 00:49:25.309
fandom over these last three episodes. The Shadow
00:49:25.309 --> 00:49:28.480
Monster is more than a match for Elle. Yep. uh
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:32.480
yeah that's it that's it that's it y 'all that's
00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:34.840
what we've got has met her match and it is the
00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:37.280
shadow monster and even maybe more than her match
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:41.179
yeah as we go into the finale yeah i think in
00:49:41.179 --> 00:49:44.239
kind of um this almost makes me think this is
00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:45.900
a weird poll but it almost makes me think of
00:49:45.900 --> 00:49:49.300
the incredibles how syndrome has been building
00:49:49.300 --> 00:49:55.219
these robots specifically to kill supers and
00:49:55.219 --> 00:50:00.510
this is This is Elle's syndrome robot. Yeah,
00:50:00.590 --> 00:50:02.969
totally. Is the shadow monster. Yeah, absolutely.
00:50:02.969 --> 00:50:07.090
Not shadowy meat grossness. The grossness himself.
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The grossness himself is definitely a match for
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her. Yes. Time to keep your horses safe. It's
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the, I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse.
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Hey, that was close. That was a good one. Thank
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you. I liked that one. I know. I was like, I
00:50:24.329 --> 00:50:26.530
forgot about the lip. That's what I've been missing.
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It's the lip. Best lines. Yes. Ready? These are
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my family. Extended. What's the context on that
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one? When they're going into the hospital and
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they say only family members are allowed. And
00:50:48.289 --> 00:50:51.710
Nancy says, these are my family. And then the
00:50:51.710 --> 00:50:54.389
woman basically just looks at Lucas and how he's.
00:50:54.650 --> 00:50:58.650
Black. And then she goes, extended. Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. So good. It really
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perfectly ties in, too, with family meetings.
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Family conversation. Yeah. Yeah. Cute. He says
00:51:08.989 --> 00:51:11.989
you remind him of a fat Rambo. That's Murray,
00:51:12.230 --> 00:51:14.769
right? Talking about Hopper and what Alexi said.
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Yes. Would now be a good time to tell you that
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I don't like doctors? I can't remember if it's
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Steve or Robin, but it's when they're dosed with
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the syrup. I think it's Steve. I think it's Steve,
00:51:30.730 --> 00:51:36.429
too. Yeah. Yeah. All right. In a less lighthearted
00:51:36.429 --> 00:51:39.489
note, you shouldn't have looked for me because
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now I see you. Now we can all see you. What's
00:51:43.630 --> 00:51:47.389
up, Billy? That's Billy to Elle. Chilling. Good
00:51:47.389 --> 00:51:50.530
line. Yes. Okay, that's it. I'm never having
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kids. Dustin, right? Dustin. Completely done
00:51:54.670 --> 00:51:59.349
with Robin and Steve. And having to babysit them.
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Sierra, those are all incredible lines that you've
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selected. Yes. They do a phenomenal job of going
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over many of the wonderful things that Stranger
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Things can do. Be funny, be about family, be
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a terrible monster speaking through humans. But
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there is only one line. That can win this episode.
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You see, when Dustin and Erica are free because
00:52:27.130 --> 00:52:32.590
of Stephen, dear Steve, and Robin, they are able
00:52:32.590 --> 00:52:35.630
to look for distractions and methods to procure
00:52:35.630 --> 00:52:40.090
the rescue of their two friends. And Dustin looks
00:52:40.090 --> 00:52:43.309
at Erica holding this wonderful piece of metal.
00:52:43.469 --> 00:52:46.909
And he says, what's that? And Erica lights it.
00:52:47.289 --> 00:52:50.760
It's a shock stick. And she goes. A deadly weapon.
00:52:52.860 --> 00:52:58.940
And that's the best line of all of these. The
00:52:58.940 --> 00:53:02.579
delivery on it is hilarious. The delivery is
00:53:02.579 --> 00:53:08.579
so key. A deadly weapon. A deadly weapon. She's
00:53:08.579 --> 00:53:16.760
so, like, little stinker. It's so good. It's
00:53:16.760 --> 00:53:20.130
so funny. Dust off that car deck and get ready
00:53:20.130 --> 00:53:23.329
to shuffle. It's our Joker category. For who
00:53:23.329 --> 00:53:29.190
is the MVP of these episodes? Hear me out. Hear
00:53:29.190 --> 00:53:36.429
me out. It's Murray. Mostly because of the car
00:53:36.429 --> 00:53:39.690
scene in episode seven when he yells at Hop and
00:53:39.690 --> 00:53:42.409
Joyce and tells them they need to stop bickering
00:53:42.409 --> 00:53:44.929
or just do it already. He's certainly speaking
00:53:44.929 --> 00:53:47.989
for the audience right there, I think. He really
00:53:47.989 --> 00:53:50.110
is. You've reached directly into the heart of
00:53:50.110 --> 00:53:52.449
the audience and been like, we're done with your
00:53:52.449 --> 00:53:55.949
bickering. Please just hook up. Yes. Please,
00:53:56.050 --> 00:54:00.010
please, please. And because it's Murray, he does
00:54:00.010 --> 00:54:03.650
it in a most excellent way, which both shames,
00:54:03.650 --> 00:54:09.909
embarrasses, and encourages all at once. The
00:54:09.909 --> 00:54:22.050
trifecta of being a pet parent. Okay, so I'm
00:54:22.050 --> 00:54:25.329
not in disagreement, but I will give you an honorable
00:54:25.329 --> 00:54:29.610
mention and then a secondary case. Okay. First
00:54:29.610 --> 00:54:31.929
of all, honorable mention to Jonathan and Nancy
00:54:31.929 --> 00:54:34.550
just for surviving. I feel like that was one
00:54:34.550 --> 00:54:37.050
of the more tough things to survive. It was a
00:54:37.050 --> 00:54:39.929
really rough time. An honorable mention, too,
00:54:40.070 --> 00:54:42.429
for Lucas for being like, hey, look, fireworks.
00:54:43.369 --> 00:54:46.329
Although I think he doesn't enter into the actual
00:54:46.329 --> 00:54:49.369
category for MVP simply because he's... Ooh,
00:54:49.510 --> 00:54:54.610
shiny doesn't win you the MVP. A bigger honorable
00:54:54.610 --> 00:54:57.730
- Wait, it doesn't? Do you know how many times
00:54:57.730 --> 00:55:02.909
I should have won the MVP? Ooh, shiny. Ooh, shiny.
00:55:03.230 --> 00:55:06.650
Ooh, she's a candy. Another honorable mention
00:55:06.650 --> 00:55:10.230
to Max for the first aid stuff. Just knowing
00:55:10.230 --> 00:55:12.710
a lot about that, getting Elle what she needs.
00:55:13.510 --> 00:55:18.280
Not an MVP for - Lucas also not finding the bowl
00:55:18.280 --> 00:55:22.639
with Will and seeing the fireworks. That's what
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:26.000
made him almost the LVP, least valuable player,
00:55:26.059 --> 00:55:27.139
in case you guys don't know what that means.
00:55:27.539 --> 00:55:30.500
But pound for pound, and this is an actual pound
00:55:30.500 --> 00:55:33.519
for pound argument, I do think he will win. Pound
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:38.619
for pound, it's Alexi. True. Right? Yeah. Yeah.
00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:42.360
Because... Go for it. You list. Yeah. He gives
00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:47.389
all of the information. about how to shut down
00:55:47.389 --> 00:55:52.110
the gate opener machine yeah he gives all the
00:55:52.110 --> 00:55:56.289
information he gives handwritten schematics for
00:55:56.289 --> 00:56:01.690
the location which are pretty good he gives the
00:56:01.690 --> 00:56:06.110
codes he gives step -by -step instructions on
00:56:06.110 --> 00:56:08.250
how to get down there what to do when they're
00:56:08.250 --> 00:56:09.949
down there where they need to go what they need
00:56:09.949 --> 00:56:14.250
to get what they need to do yeah nothing would
00:56:14.250 --> 00:56:19.239
happen Or occur or continue. Without him. Without
00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:22.280
him. He is the reason why the finale can happen.
00:56:22.500 --> 00:56:25.940
Yeah. That's why Pound for Pound. And also just.
00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:27.860
Why season four happens too. Yeah, literally
00:56:27.860 --> 00:56:31.239
the reason why season four happens. Quite in
00:56:31.239 --> 00:56:35.340
a couple of scenes in episodes five, six, and
00:56:35.340 --> 00:56:40.099
seven, we meet him. We love him. He turns sides
00:56:40.099 --> 00:56:42.719
to the Americans and joins the right side in
00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:46.869
this particular case. He. shows a love of fun
00:56:46.869 --> 00:56:48.849
and enjoyment that we don't really get to see
00:56:48.849 --> 00:56:52.210
a lot from the adults. We buy in and have empathy
00:56:52.210 --> 00:56:55.889
and care for him. He gives all the information
00:56:55.889 --> 00:56:59.170
that one could possibly need, and then he dies.
00:56:59.530 --> 00:57:02.909
And with that death, we shall honor him for MVP.
00:57:03.289 --> 00:57:09.090
We shall. We shall. Excellent. Well done. It's
00:57:09.090 --> 00:57:12.130
time to clean up your evil lair and get ready
00:57:12.130 --> 00:57:17.820
for our... the turkey all along category for
00:57:17.820 --> 00:57:22.179
what is the biggest takeaway viewers should leave
00:57:22.179 --> 00:57:26.800
with in preparation for season five tell us sam
00:57:26.800 --> 00:57:28.840
yeah it's everything that we've already mentioned
00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:34.599
with billy the the grossness and l um essentially
00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:36.719
to whittle it down for what we need to know for
00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:41.559
season five a l is not Too powerful that she
00:57:41.559 --> 00:57:43.139
can just take out everything that she faces.
00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:45.820
The meat monster, the shadow monster, the grossness,
00:57:45.860 --> 00:57:47.659
whatever you want to call it, is a match for
00:57:47.659 --> 00:57:50.900
her. But also, Billy, with the shadow monster's
00:57:50.900 --> 00:57:53.840
voice, conveys the fact that this army has been
00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:56.980
built for her. What that means in terms of, like,
00:57:57.019 --> 00:57:59.119
is the shadow monster actually thinks that she's
00:57:59.119 --> 00:58:00.920
stronger and wants to give her the army over
00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:03.739
Vecna? Is she trying to double -cross Vecna?
00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:06.739
Or is it really I'm building it for you to try
00:58:06.739 --> 00:58:09.099
and kill you, which is kind of what he does moving
00:58:09.099 --> 00:58:13.139
forward with it. All of that information is extremely
00:58:13.139 --> 00:58:17.119
important to hold on to because of Vecna's storyline
00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:20.019
and trying to see like Vecna is also trying to
00:58:20.019 --> 00:58:25.239
kill or bring L to him or what. So those are
00:58:25.239 --> 00:58:27.360
the really big things that we've got to think
00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:29.059
about in terms of getting ready for season five.
00:58:29.719 --> 00:58:32.630
Today's public service announcement. Always make
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sure to debate New Coke versus Coca -Cola while
00:58:35.210 --> 00:58:37.289
digging squiggly things out of your friend's
00:58:37.289 --> 00:58:40.210
leg. It really helps the process and isn't blatant
00:58:40.210 --> 00:58:42.710
product placement at all. Never. Never once been
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product placement. TV shows have never run on
00:58:44.510 --> 00:58:47.050
product placement. Never happens. Ever. Nope.
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Oh, I would like some Eggos right now. And New
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Coke. And Slurpees from 7 -Eleven. And Slurpees
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from 7 -Eleven. Well, thank you, listener schmissiners,
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fare thee well. Nancy narrowly escapes the goo
01:00:09.690 --> 01:00:11.969
monster. Oh, wait. No, that's not what I said.
01:00:12.050 --> 01:00:16.469
Goo form of the monster. Nancy. Sam, it's time
01:00:16.469 --> 01:00:18.510
to find your donut holes. Excellent. It's time
01:00:18.510 --> 01:00:22.090
for our knives out category. Pause again. Pause
01:00:22.090 --> 01:00:24.170
again. Pause again. You said, Sam, it's time
01:00:24.170 --> 01:00:26.489
to find your donut holes. It's time for our knives
01:00:26.489 --> 01:00:29.489
out category. You're right. Did I say it's time
01:00:29.489 --> 01:00:31.750
to find? I did. You did. Yeah. Because I'm looking
01:00:31.750 --> 01:00:36.780
at it's time. Okay. Got this. We got this. We
01:00:36.780 --> 01:00:39.019
got this. You know, the fact that we do 1030
01:00:39.019 --> 01:00:41.820
almost every time is not at all an indication
01:00:41.820 --> 01:00:45.360
of why we struggle so much. No, not at all. But
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:46.679
it's literally the only time that we can do this.
01:00:46.739 --> 01:00:53.679
So here we go. Woohoo! I wish that for season
01:00:53.679 --> 01:00:57.119
two finale, Sierra, we had made the MVP Elle's
01:00:57.119 --> 01:01:03.960
second hand. Pound for pound, is it not Elle's
01:01:03.960 --> 01:01:08.139
second hand? That's so funny. It does nothing
01:01:08.139 --> 01:01:10.260
for two seasons and then suddenly comes out of
01:01:10.260 --> 01:01:14.559
nowhere. And none of, none, none of anything,
01:01:14.659 --> 01:01:17.219
none of anything else. Oh my gosh. None shall
01:01:17.219 --> 01:01:21.719
pass. None, none words shall pass through this
01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:26.460
mouth. Being, while being vetted by a brain,
01:01:26.699 --> 01:01:31.329
they shall just continue. Okay. It is time. To
01:01:31.329 --> 01:01:35.530
clean up your evil air. Evil air. Your evil air.
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It is time. We're so close. Okay. Evil air. My
01:01:46.269 --> 01:01:48.630
thing froze. Oh, there you are. Okay. Evil air.
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Your evil air. All right. Please don't forget
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