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Welcome to Fandom Shmandom, the fandom podcast
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that covers everything you love and more. I'm
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Sam Williams. And I'm Sierra Obermark. Today's
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episode, we will be flippantly factualizing about
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Stranger Things Season 2, Episode 9. And without
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further ado, we will, as Roger Smith says, dive
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on in. So get up to 88, because it's time to
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travel back to our story recap. Of the finale
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of season two, Elle is here. She's alive, and
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call him Mike Tyson, because he's ready to rip
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off Hopper's ears if he could reach. But never
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fear, Billy is here. Dressed almost precisely
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like one of her romance novel covers, Billy confronts
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Mrs. Wheeler with charm, grace, and pure animal
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magnetism. Considering what we know about her
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husband, Ted, have your moment of admiration,
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girl. But, considering his age and what we generally
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know about Billy, leave it at this one moment
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and run. And or someone should potentially call
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the cops on her. Mike, once again, miraculously
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has the perfect plan. He has literally no other
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talents but Plan Man, but sure, he comes up with
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a great strategy again. Kill the Mind Flayer
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and Will is dead, so save Will, then close the
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gate. Which is actually super right and super
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what they all do. The team splits. Joyce, Jonathan,
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and Nancy, who definitely belongs there, and
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is just as invested in Will as the other two.
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They need to burn the Mind Flayer out of Will.
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El and Hop head off to close the gate, and on
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the way, Hopper explains why he has been so protective
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of El. Let me tell you, folks, a grown man coming
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to terms with his faults, expressing his thoughts
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and emotions, apologizing for his effect on others.
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We at Fandom Shmandum love to see it. Steve and
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the Babysitter's Club. new band name, I'm calling
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it now, are called upon by one Mr. Billy, not
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Gene, not Eilish, and not Boyd, Billy Hargrove,
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and it's mullet versus quaff. And Steve the Hare
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Harrington loses. Ring the bells, end of round,
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Steve is 0 for 2 in fights. But Max stabs Billy
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with drugs and threatens his manhood with Steve's
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bat. And on top of that, steals his car. She
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really is the best. Mind Flayer Will decides
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to choke out Joyce, and Jonathan can't do squat
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about it. But Nancy can. Pumping the room with
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heat and fire, Nancy stabs Will with a fire poker,
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and then the Mind Flayer shoots out of him. Safe
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at last. Waking up to Mad Max driving, the most
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obvious reference to that actual movie franchise,
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how did I not see it coming and how did I not
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notice until this watch through, the kids have
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driven Steve to the hole that Hopper dug, book
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title, and are en route to burn the tunnel. The
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babies have a plan. Burn at Vine HQ and the Demodogs
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will come. which works and lures the dog away
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for Hopper and Elle to close the gate. Hopper
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plays sniper against the demo dogs, which do
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happen to be close enough to run back towards
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them after Elle starts to close the gate, and
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Elle realizes she can use two hands to make her
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power double in strength. We're never going to
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get through it without laughing. Dustin proves
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that he and Dart have a connection, using three
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musketeers to help them all escape. In a hugely
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satisfying moment, it levitates and screams,
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tapping into the horrors of her past. She shuts
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the gate, managing not to burn up in the process.
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One month later. The lab has been condemned.
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Murray is high on his success from the explosive
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reveal of the danger in Hawkins, and Barbara
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is finally put to rest. Sam comes through for
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Hopper and Elle in a real way, providing Jane
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Hopper a birth certificate. Everyone is getting
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ready for the snowball. Will dancing in the living
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room with Joyce. Mike dealing with embarrassing
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photos. Lucas trying to figure out how to ask
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Max to dance. Max having her hair done while
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threatening Billy with her glare, and Dustin
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using Steve's secret hair tips. At the dance,
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the dreaded slow song comes on. Let the coupling
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begin! Max and Lucas, Will with some random girl
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that rudely calls him zombie boy, and he's like,
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okay, fine, I guess. Dustin, who tries to ask
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multiple girls. Before Nancy sees him and gives
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him the street cred he needs. Which leaves Mike,
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to my very great pleasure, alone. Enter Elle,
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looking adorable. And they have a great moment.
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Want to dance? I don't know how. I don't either.
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Want to figure it out together? Max and Lucas
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share a small kiss. Elle and Mike share a small
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kiss. Out in the parking lot, Joyce and Hopper
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share, you guessed it, a cigarette and a hug.
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Everything seems right in the world. This world,
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but upside down. The mind flayer remains. Roll
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credits! Find your donut holes? It is time for
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our Knives Out category, where we sleuth out
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which three storylines are the most vital to
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pay attention to. Number one, burning of the
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tunnels, Steve and the kids. Number two, closing
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of the gate, Hopper and Elle. And number three,
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smoking out the shadow, Nancy and the Byers.
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Number one, burning of the tunnels, Steve and
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the kids. So everyone separated up. We've got
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Nancy with the Byers. We've got Hop and Elle
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going to close the gate. And we've got Steve
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babysitting all the little wee kiddos. Steve
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is basically saying, we've been benched. And
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they're like, no, we're not even in the game.
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And he's like, right, well, we're on the side.
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And they're like, they're not going to call us
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in for a play. And he's like, right, you just
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stick with the plan. We're not doing anything.
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And the kids can't put up with that. They come
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up with this plan, okay, that the demo dogs can
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be distracted away from where Hopper and L are
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to close the gate. And they can use the hive
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mind. And before Steve can shut it down, Billy
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shows up. One Mr. Billy Hargroves. Shut it down.
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Shut it down. So Billy shows up and beats Steve
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to a pulp, which had been coming all season.
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You know, they'd been facing off in basketball
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and in the showers and now at a random person's
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house. And to be fair, Max and the kids are not
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hiding well at all. So Steve's like, I don't
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know. She's not here. And Billy's like, she's
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literally in the window, bud. And so they fight.
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And it doesn't go well for Steve. But Max is
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there. She spots the sedating will drugs and
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stabs Billy in the neck, takes Steve's bat, and
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then threatens Billy's manhood. And he's like,
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great, I'll leave you alone. Which, like, yeah,
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to be fair, if I got stabbed in the neck by my
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little sister and then my jewels had been threatened,
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I'd be like, you got it. That's how that goes.
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Here's the keys. Here's the keys. Here's the
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keys. And speaking of, she definitely takes the
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car with little blocks on her feet, and they
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drive out to Hopper's Hole. They drop down in
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the vines, they go to Grand Central Station,
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and they burn it where all the vines meet, which
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gets the demo dogs to come running up to them,
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where Dustin is able to then distract Dart, who's
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sort of guarding their way, with some nougat.
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proving that they have a connection which is
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awfully confusing uh what do we think is important
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about this one sierra i think well first of all
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from a story standpoint this is needed because
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if the demo dogs were not distracted at all it
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would make things a lot more difficult for ellen
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hopper yeah hopper is already having a very difficult
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time with the dogs when they do show up so thinking
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about how overwhelmed they would be had the dogs
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been there the whole time would be they probably
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wouldn't have made it out so from a story standpoint
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that's the importance i think from a general
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standpoint i think the most important thing is
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Steve's growth in his character. This is really
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where he is fully, fully in babysitter mode and
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really taking all these kids under his wing.
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It further cements the connection between Steve
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and Dustin. And then also, we do have a little
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bit of the Dustin and Dart connection to explore,
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but I feel like it's not explored further. After
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this. So it's one of those things that could
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have potentially spiraled into a much more interesting
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storyline, plotline type of thing. So unless
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that's going to come up again in season five,
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it kind of has gone nowhere so far. But it could
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be something very interesting if they wanted
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to bring that back in. So Steve's character growth
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here obviously is a huge deal, like you were
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saying. But I, on this watch through, knowing
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where Steve and Dustin's relationship is heading
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for next season and how Steve and Nancy's relationship
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will happen in season four, I was like, oh, good.
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I like to see this. This is a nice moment for
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him. His character growth continues to be great.
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It seems like the writers really like his character,
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et cetera, et cetera. The dart thing was brand
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new, sort of thinking -wise for me, where I'm
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like, wait, dart? Does have a connection with
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Dustin. Yeah. He's not innately evil. And he's
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connected to the hive mind. But is he connected
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to the hive mind because that's how all creatures
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are in the Upside Down? Or has it been infected
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and these are actually creatures that could be
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nurtured? Could be intelligent? Could be all
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sorts of different things. And it just made me
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be like, why haven't we gotten more of this?
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This idea of, like, everybody's corruptible but
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not everything is corrupted? And that's just
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mind -boggling for me in this rewatch. Yeah,
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I think it's a little bit of a missed opportunity.
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Yeah. Because this could be a very fascinating
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plotline to follow, especially with where we
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end up with Hopper coming across these again.
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And it's still not really explored. They're just,
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you know, he's just using his... ability is to
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get out of there and his knowledge of having
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fought them in the past but it doesn't really
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explore that they can form a connection or that
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they have any sort of critical thinking or emotional
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in intelligence so i really think that I mean,
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maybe they'll bring it back in season five. Maybe.
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That's my hope, that they wouldn't have introduced
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something this interesting without having some
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sort of a connection again. Yeah, totally. To
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wrap it all up, but who knows? And given the
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fact that they do have a connection, it makes
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me feel even worse about the previous hockey
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stick throw that Dustin does. Oh, so much. Which
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I, like, ugh. I just, it's so heartbreaking.
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And now that we know that like, hey, I felt bad
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and like Dustin goes and apologizes to him about
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it. Yeah. And so he starts, he stops growling.
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It's just like, wait, there's so much intelligence
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here. The lack of aggression, the backing off,
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the letting them pass, the, all of it's just
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so good. And it makes me wonder like. I know
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that they probably don't want to do something
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as cliche as, like, you can break the hive mind
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connection through love. But I'm sort of like,
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but is there anything there that they can do?
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Like, are we going to, like, for how Star Wars
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Rise of Skywalker was initially a duel of fates
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and they had a whole storm trooper uprising and
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revolt written in that script. I'm like, are
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we going to, for season five, have a Demogorgon
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slash Demodog revolt? That would be awesome.
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But we'll see. Oh, that would be. Very interesting.
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I like it. Well, the next plot line that we should
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be really focusing on is the closing of the gate,
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which is Hopper and Elle's storyline. So Elle
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sees the note with Will saying to close the gate,
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and then Hopper and Elle set off to do this.
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On the way, they have this really, really sweet
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heart -to -heart hop. explains his feelings and
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his emotions and all of these things able to
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set boundaries it's amazing why he cares about
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her and why it's hard that he cares about her
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and what he's gone through in the past and how
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he hopes they can have this connection and it's
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all very very sweet and definitely feels like
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he thinks maybe one of them is not going to make
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it out of this and which is all the more nice
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that they do. Hopper then, when they get to the
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lab, finds Sam, who is still alive and still
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there hanging out, and gives him a gun. Says,
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all right, you just continue to stay here. Don't
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go anywhere. Don't go anywhere. We'll be back.
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Yeah, bye. Which is really... A nice little lighthearted
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moment right before they go to potentially certain
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doom. And then when they get down, I just I love
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the this is a kind of a side, but I love the
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visuals of the gate itself and lowering down
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as they're descending to get midway through the
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gate so she can get. I don't know, central access
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or something like that. I'm not exactly sure
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why they have to descend, but they do. So after
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they descend, she starts to close the gate. As
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soon as she starts to close the gate, all the
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demodogs that have been distracted are now called
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back. So now they're all rushing. Hopper is just
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trying to keep them away from Elle as long as
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possible so that she can keep closing the gate.
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She uses two hands and starts levitating in the
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air and screaming and bleeding and all of these
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things. But she does close the gate and Hopper
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is able to carry her out of there, which is excellent.
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Yeah. So there's a couple of different really
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important things in here. But one of the sort
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of oddities of this moment is the fact that...
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sam has been attacked dr sam the psychiatrist
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has been attacked and not eaten unlike bob uh
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and so i i imagine the like they might have even
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shot an explanation for this or at least written
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one but i imagine that it was sort of like hey
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uh the demo dogs ran away for this other time
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right when i was leaving because the hive mind
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happened to call them away and that's why he's
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alive there Because otherwise, anyone who's been
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attacked, fully attacked by a Demo Dog or a Demogorgon,
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that's not one of the main people, has been killed.
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So... Yeah. That's certainly... Especially somebody
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who's been, like, hurt enough to just stay still.
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So unless he, like, choked out the Demo Dog,
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I'm not exactly sure how he's alive. But in terms
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of the actual important things, to your point,
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doubling down on, like, L's need for... physical
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proximity to be close. And we'll see this in
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like season three when she like explodes Soda
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at a mall, right? Like the closer she is, it
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seems like the more she can focus her power and
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the stronger it gets. So sort of lowering down.
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I know it's also there for the visual. Like the
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visual is great. You've got this, you know, this
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little girl against this huge gate. And they're
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trying to sort of recreate that moment of when
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Millie Bobby Brown is really tiny in the first
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season going up against the Demogorgon. But it
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works really well here. But it also establishes
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a bit more of like, okay, she really needs to
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be out in front of the thing in order. To maximize
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her power there. That. And also like a little
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bit of Sarah stuff. That we get with Hopper's.
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You know past daughter. And that sort of. Comparison
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with Elle's situation. And him being really concerned
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for her. And wanting to do everything he possibly
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can. To keep her safe is really nice. But also
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this is one of my favorite moments. In Stranger
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Things. Is the moment of Hopper playing Sniper.
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The first time watching it. Just being. on the
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edge of your seat being like, is he going to
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get it? What's happening here? And then he has
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to switch guns to a shotgun. And it's just like
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the constant movement and stress that occurs
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and just how awesome Jim Hopper's actor, David
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Harbour, just how great David Harbour's physical
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acting and movement is as she shifts over to
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a side and over to another side, over to this
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side. It's like the most intense, violent version
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of whack -a -mole. And it's just so great. that's
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a great comparison and i do really enjoy the
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this sounds weird but i really enjoy the stressful
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situations in stranger things because i feel
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like there is often a little bit of a lag in
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terms of stakes because you're not anticipating
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any of the main characters to die really and
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so You kind of have this expectation that on
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some level, they're all going to make it through.
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However, there are those moments, I feel, you
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know, maybe once or twice a season or so, when
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you really do start to feel for at least one
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main character's life. And this is one of those
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moments. And I do very much enjoy the edge of
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your seat quality that it brings. Obviously,
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the... importance of closing the gate to the
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overall story speaks for itself yeah so i think
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apart from that just the connection between hopper
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and l is so key yeah because it really sets up
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from here on with him being her father yes on
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paper i mean and and in practice as well so you
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know at the end of this episode he becomes her
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father and so It's a nice change from Hoppa being
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the dad that she knows. Yeah. And now it's Hop
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and he might not know much. Exactly. He might
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not know much about parenting a teenager, but
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he'll learn. He will. He will absolutely learn.
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Well, and to your point about main characters
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dying, you know, we went through. all of season
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one and the entire main group doesn't die. We've
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get side characters who die, but the entire group
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doesn't die. And so it's a really good effective
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use of killing off Bob earlier in this season
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to make you think, oh man, like Bob is a main
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character. Maybe somebody in here is actually
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going to die. And eventually, you know, they
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play with this idea throughout season three.
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And then of course with Max in season four. Right.
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So, you know, it's a really requisite idea to
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have to kill off somebody major in season two,
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and it happens to be the character that you've
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introduced, Bob. Yeah. Yeah, it's a good effective
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use of that. So the third one, smoking out the
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shadow, Nancy and the Byers. Okay, so this is
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where Mike realizes closing the gate will kill
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Will. Joyce realizes they need to stop appeasing
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it, and instead of... It likes it cold. Okay,
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well, then I'm gonna make it hot. The whole idea
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is that Will is the host to a virus of the Mind
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Flayer. So Jonathan's like, we gotta make the
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host uninhabitable. So they go to this little
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shack. They heat up the house as much as possible.
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fireplace uh actual space heaters 1980s space
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heaters so that awful sound when you turn it
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on so good uh it's awesome it really makes everything
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so eerie and then really brings it back brings
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me back brings me back oh gosh and then uh mind
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flayer sort of fully takes over will starts Killing
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Joyce. Jonathan can't do a single thing about
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it. And Nancy, of all people, weirdly in this
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buyer's only story, is like, I'll be the one
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to save it. And she grabs this hot poker. Now,
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when she's doing this hot poker is also when
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Steve has just lit Grand Central Station on fire.
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So there's probably a bit of two forces coming
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here. Where the Mind Flayer's been hurt majorly
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at its central location. And also will... is
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uninhabitable and then hit with a fire poker
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um and that releases the shadow monster so sierra
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what is important why are we going over this
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particular storyline i think that the key here
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is the host to virus or shadow monster whatever
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that key whatever that is that relationship so
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the relationship between shadow monster and host
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Obviously such a very, very, very key factor
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of season three. So this is really bringing it
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along of, okay, the monster has been ejected
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from Will. We are burning the vines. Elle is
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closing the gate. Where's the shadow monster
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going? It's out of Will, but we don't see it
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go through the gate. So, this moment is really
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what sets up season three. And, you know, yes,
00:23:05.710 --> 00:23:09.750
Elle closing the gate closes season two, but
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this is what sets up season three. Yeah. So,
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the fact that it does not leave, it is out of
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will, it has been rejected by the host, it still
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needs to go somewhere. Yeah. So... That's the
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key part, is just this is how the story continues.
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And the other... I don't know that there is too
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much in terms of the relationships between these
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particular characters that develops the way that
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the other two storylines have. So this storyline,
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to me, feels very much plot -focused and plot
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-heavy. Yes, oh, I totally agree. It's really,
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really... Amping that up. And just how it weaves
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in with the other two. Because they have to have
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the timing right. In order for this all to work
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out. And those scenes are so short. Like they're
00:24:02.460 --> 00:24:06.759
so. Like you're saying. Those scenes set up the
00:24:06.759 --> 00:24:09.500
tempo of the show. They set up the plot points.
00:24:09.599 --> 00:24:12.200
Of let's save Will. And how do we move to season
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three. But also they include. They really set
00:24:15.220 --> 00:24:17.339
the tone in sort of horror elements. Before you
00:24:17.339 --> 00:24:19.500
get to Hopper and his sniper moments. Because
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you've got Will. In his bedroom. just you know
00:24:23.819 --> 00:24:26.240
and then like choking and it's all of these like
00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:31.039
very classic horror moments yeah it really sets
00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:36.279
the tone and the stage and it's i mean the acting
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is really phenomenal i will say yeah i will say
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i hate you leave you love me i do i do yeah no
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i think um You're right on the money there. It
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doesn't really do anything for the characters
00:24:55.339 --> 00:24:59.400
that much, right? It wraps up the Joyce Will
00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:02.920
story. Jonathan and Nancy have already wrapped
00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:06.799
up sort of as soon as they reach everybody. But
00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:09.859
also at the beginning of this, Steve is the one
00:25:09.859 --> 00:25:13.920
that tells Nancy to go with Jonathan. Right.
00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:17.220
And he's accepting of his sort of role of no
00:25:17.220 --> 00:25:18.539
longer being her boyfriend. He's like, you know,
00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:21.440
I may have been a shitty boyfriend, but I'm one
00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:24.099
hell of a babysitter. That's his quote. It's
00:25:24.099 --> 00:25:27.759
an awesome line that he has. And that really
00:25:27.759 --> 00:25:30.619
sort of wraps up that Steve and Nancy moment.
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But that's it. And then the rest of the episode
00:25:33.059 --> 00:25:34.900
is just sort of like, all right, well, let's
00:25:34.900 --> 00:25:38.259
have this occur and figure out how we save Will.
00:25:38.990 --> 00:25:40.910
So that everybody who cares about that kid knows
00:25:40.910 --> 00:25:43.049
what happens. But it really is sort of devoid
00:25:43.049 --> 00:25:45.329
of any sort of character moment, unlike Hop and
00:25:45.329 --> 00:25:49.230
Elle. Or Steve and the kids sort of solidifying
00:25:49.230 --> 00:25:51.529
more of how this relationship is going to work
00:25:51.529 --> 00:25:55.950
in the future. Right. Yeah, exactly. Well, keep
00:25:55.950 --> 00:25:59.509
your finger on the pause button. And rewind that
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tape, Sierra. It's time for the prestige category.
00:26:02.829 --> 00:26:07.890
What did we notice on this watch through? Mike?
00:26:08.029 --> 00:26:13.109
and Nancy are highly intelligent and good at
00:26:13.109 --> 00:26:16.630
thinking on their feet for having the parents
00:26:16.630 --> 00:26:21.650
that they do. Yes, this is a diss on their parents.
00:26:21.890 --> 00:26:26.490
I don't know what Ted does for a job. We only
00:26:26.490 --> 00:26:29.670
ever see him sleeping on the couch or the chair
00:26:29.670 --> 00:26:32.789
and watching TV and not answering the door or
00:26:32.789 --> 00:26:39.339
the phone. And Mrs. Wheeler, seems to be very
00:26:39.339 --> 00:26:45.720
much a kind of valium mom yeah absolutely she's
00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:48.279
not quite really there she doesn't really know
00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:51.359
where her kids are at all times she's there she's
00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:54.380
doing stuff she's tolerating everybody she's
00:26:54.380 --> 00:26:57.000
trying to keep the family in one piece as much
00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:02.099
as she can but neither of them seem all that
00:27:02.099 --> 00:27:06.769
put together mentally and so the fact that Two
00:27:06.769 --> 00:27:08.849
of their three children, which we don't know
00:27:08.849 --> 00:27:11.609
much about the youngest girl other than somehow
00:27:11.609 --> 00:27:16.230
she's connected to the Upside Down because she
00:27:16.230 --> 00:27:20.269
can have these kind of moments with it that are
00:27:20.269 --> 00:27:23.509
not explained. But other than that, we don't
00:27:23.509 --> 00:27:25.450
really know anything about her. But Mike and
00:27:25.450 --> 00:27:27.869
Nancy are very smart people who come up with
00:27:27.869 --> 00:27:30.990
these brilliant plans who are able to rally people
00:27:30.990 --> 00:27:35.859
to whatever their plot is going to be. Where
00:27:35.859 --> 00:27:39.400
do they get it from? Yeah, absolutely. Where
00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:42.160
do they get it from? To your point, both parents
00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:44.140
have no idea what's going on. I don't understand
00:27:44.140 --> 00:27:47.380
it, but good on them. Like, I guess good on them.
00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:50.299
This speaks to being absentee parents. You let
00:27:50.299 --> 00:27:53.420
your kids flourish. I guess the moral of the
00:27:53.420 --> 00:27:55.619
lesson is just don't pay attention and then they'll
00:27:55.619 --> 00:27:59.799
be okay. Or if you're being a little bit more
00:27:59.799 --> 00:28:03.839
optimistic, let go and let God. sure yeah yeah
00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:06.279
we'll go with that totally so it seems a little
00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:13.140
malcolm in the middle oh man so speaking of nancy
00:28:13.140 --> 00:28:15.380
i think i might have answered this question in
00:28:15.380 --> 00:28:18.619
my head but i still kind of like on the first
00:28:18.619 --> 00:28:20.759
watch it's like yeah nancy's with jonathan of
00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:22.220
course she's been with jonathan the whole time
00:28:22.220 --> 00:28:25.299
and then i'm also kind of like why the heck is
00:28:25.299 --> 00:28:31.180
nancy with the buyers And then, you know, you
00:28:31.180 --> 00:28:33.400
go back and you watch Steve being like, hey,
00:28:33.460 --> 00:28:34.980
you should go with him. And it's clear that she
00:28:34.980 --> 00:28:37.640
and Jonathan are an item now. And it's clear
00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:40.380
that she wants to go and support her man. And
00:28:40.380 --> 00:28:43.259
so I think that's fine enough. But it is still
00:28:43.259 --> 00:28:47.000
kind of weird to just have Nancy there. Yeah,
00:28:47.019 --> 00:28:50.519
I was thinking about that because of your question
00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:53.920
here. And I guess it just doesn't make sense
00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:56.920
for her to be anywhere else. She wouldn't be
00:28:56.920 --> 00:28:59.410
with Alan Hopper. That doesn't make any sense
00:28:59.410 --> 00:29:02.410
at all. That makes less sense than this. Going
00:29:02.410 --> 00:29:05.390
with Steve and the kids only makes sense if you
00:29:05.390 --> 00:29:09.569
think that she and Mike are kind of a collective
00:29:09.569 --> 00:29:13.150
that would be paired up in this instance. Yeah.
00:29:13.170 --> 00:29:15.069
But then that means that she's with Steve and
00:29:15.069 --> 00:29:17.650
not with Jonathan. Right. Which would be weird
00:29:17.650 --> 00:29:19.769
as well. They're very much trying to transition
00:29:19.769 --> 00:29:24.259
her away from Steve to Jonathan. Exactly. I think
00:29:24.259 --> 00:29:26.180
this is really just the only place that Nancy
00:29:26.180 --> 00:29:30.819
somewhat fits in this particular set of plots.
00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:35.160
So sorry, you were just kind of thrown into it.
00:29:35.180 --> 00:29:36.980
Well, I'm like, they write the scene of Steve
00:29:36.980 --> 00:29:38.539
telling her to go, which I think was them being
00:29:38.539 --> 00:29:40.660
like, how do we get Nancy to go with the buyers
00:29:40.660 --> 00:29:43.619
and have buy -in from the audience? And it's
00:29:43.619 --> 00:29:45.759
a little contrived, but because we get that awesome
00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:49.660
babysitter line, I'm okay with it. Yeah. Yeah.
00:29:49.940 --> 00:29:52.990
I would agree. I would agree. And then. What
00:29:52.990 --> 00:29:57.109
we also have that I was realizing more of just
00:29:57.109 --> 00:30:02.329
the depth of it. So Steve and Dustin. Steve becomes
00:30:02.329 --> 00:30:06.470
the sibling that Dustin doesn't have. Everyone
00:30:06.470 --> 00:30:11.609
else has at least one sibling. And except for
00:30:11.609 --> 00:30:16.690
Lucas, nobody's the oldest as well. So Will's
00:30:16.690 --> 00:30:19.509
the younger brother. Mike's the younger brother.
00:30:20.130 --> 00:30:24.220
Then... Dustin is an only child, and then Lucas
00:30:24.220 --> 00:30:26.119
is the older brother. Without a dad. And he's
00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:28.680
without a dad. Without a dad. Yeah. Yeah, so
00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:32.960
Dustin doesn't have a dad. You know, Will doesn't
00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:37.859
really either. Yeah. Not a present one. He's
00:30:37.859 --> 00:30:41.480
got Jonathan as dad brother. Brother. Right.
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:43.740
If you would. Yeah, so Jonathan is filling kind
00:30:43.740 --> 00:30:46.799
of both of those roles for him. But Dustin doesn't
00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:52.059
have a male figure in his life. Or a sibling
00:30:52.059 --> 00:30:56.039
in his life at all, which is partially why I
00:30:56.039 --> 00:30:58.700
think he's so attached to his friends and why
00:30:58.700 --> 00:31:03.220
season three hits him so hard because he's not
00:31:03.220 --> 00:31:07.079
with them anymore. And he doesn't have anybody
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:09.740
really to fall back on. And Steve really steps
00:31:09.740 --> 00:31:14.339
into that role of being that brother, that dad
00:31:14.339 --> 00:31:18.079
figure, all of the above that he just doesn't
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:24.450
have. And I'm like, my... My baby boy. My boy.
00:31:27.369 --> 00:31:34.289
Sorry for everybody who just had to listen through
00:31:34.289 --> 00:31:40.589
that. My apologies. Anyway, I just, it really
00:31:40.589 --> 00:31:44.109
hit me on this watch through. Just how much he
00:31:44.109 --> 00:31:46.980
is. How much they are forming that relationship
00:31:46.980 --> 00:31:49.539
and that bond. Which is great. And what a great
00:31:49.539 --> 00:31:51.619
moment for Dustin to be like, hey man, you don't
00:31:51.619 --> 00:31:54.119
understand how the party's going to work. You
00:31:54.119 --> 00:31:56.660
have to be a good party member and we need protection.
00:31:57.019 --> 00:31:59.480
Which is essentially Steve's initiation into
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:01.819
this party. Again, without Mike's permission.
00:32:02.380 --> 00:32:04.880
But nobody needs to have Mike's permission because
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:09.559
Mike sucks! And also, this is a democracy. Yeah.
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:14.480
Another thing that I really... thought of on
00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:18.660
this watch through because I had thought this
00:32:18.660 --> 00:32:23.279
a little bit in the past, but when Elle is closing
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:26.240
the gate, she's focusing with all of her might
00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:29.359
and she's doing the hand outstretched and everything.
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:32.619
And then she does the two hands. I just kept
00:32:32.619 --> 00:32:36.680
waiting for Elle to tap into love instead of
00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:39.039
hate here. I feel like I said this in the last
00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:43.910
episode too, but it really hit me. in this moment
00:32:43.910 --> 00:32:48.289
because I feel like it may be a conditioned cliche
00:32:48.289 --> 00:32:52.410
response to other media, whatever, but it did
00:32:52.410 --> 00:32:55.349
really feel like a good moment to go from upsetting
00:32:55.349 --> 00:32:58.750
memories of whatever is going on in her life
00:32:58.750 --> 00:33:03.430
to then seeing, you know, Hop, Mike's face, smiling.
00:33:03.430 --> 00:33:06.609
You wanted your expected patronum. You wanted
00:33:06.609 --> 00:33:10.390
your patronus. I did. I really did. And we don't
00:33:10.390 --> 00:33:13.809
get that here. And I'm not sure if I'm happy
00:33:13.809 --> 00:33:16.549
that we don't get it because it's not the same
00:33:16.549 --> 00:33:21.829
as other things. Or if I'm upset because it feels
00:33:21.829 --> 00:33:23.849
as though it would have been right in the moment.
00:33:24.809 --> 00:33:29.089
So I'm not sure. It doesn't seem to me... I have
00:33:29.089 --> 00:33:35.049
a hard time with Elle's two hands thing. Because
00:33:35.049 --> 00:33:39.579
it... What is she finding more horrible memories
00:33:39.579 --> 00:33:43.900
from her time? What is she tapping into to get
00:33:43.900 --> 00:33:50.319
more power? We need more. More power. Unlimited
00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:58.279
power. Unlimited power. Yeah. Okay. Where is
00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:02.059
she getting it from? It felt like that transition
00:34:02.059 --> 00:34:05.240
was missing for me. And if we go from hate to
00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:07.359
love. Yeah, yeah. You've got it. You have tapped
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:09.599
into a wonderful, weird little thing. We've been
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:11.440
talking about Elle's powers so much in every
00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:13.500
episode, being like, how does this really work?
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:16.760
And this is a huge moment, because we have only
00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:20.019
ever seen Elle use powers with hate, with fury,
00:34:20.260 --> 00:34:24.199
with anger. And I think this is why people are
00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:26.619
talking about, like, is Elle going to be turned
00:34:26.619 --> 00:34:29.739
dark and need to be killed in season five? And,
00:34:29.739 --> 00:34:31.780
you know, is Vector going to get, you know, killed
00:34:31.780 --> 00:34:34.139
halfway through is the mid -season finale. And
00:34:34.139 --> 00:34:36.659
then Elle becomes the real enemy because she's
00:34:36.659 --> 00:34:38.840
the one using hatred. Or are we going to have
00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:42.300
a switch over to love? So that's one thing. But
00:34:42.300 --> 00:34:44.059
the other thing, too, is, like, to your point,
00:34:44.139 --> 00:34:48.280
is she, like, hating more when the second hand
00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:50.679
comes out? Or is she just realizing then that,
00:34:50.699 --> 00:34:53.800
like, the second hand helps with the psychic
00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:55.780
movement? That there's a link between, like,
00:34:55.840 --> 00:34:59.099
amount of physical effort exerted? To the psychic?
00:34:59.219 --> 00:35:05.219
It's really unclear. Go for it. I'm just thinking
00:35:05.219 --> 00:35:10.000
now, potentially, it could be a psychosomatic
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:14.239
thing. Yeah. Where she's not actually drawing
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:19.900
any more power. She's just so exhausted by that
00:35:19.900 --> 00:35:23.820
point. that she has to do something to continue
00:35:23.820 --> 00:35:27.539
to push that power through. Like trying to hit
00:35:27.539 --> 00:35:31.039
your second wind. Exactly. When she hits that
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:33.239
second handout, it's not like the gate starts
00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:36.320
closing faster or anything like that. It just
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:40.260
continues to close. So I almost feel like it
00:35:40.260 --> 00:35:44.539
is that physical representation of the pushing
00:35:44.539 --> 00:35:49.599
through of the exhaustion and everything. Yeah,
00:35:49.699 --> 00:35:53.960
I just think it's an odd thing because then it
00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:56.199
also does prompt the whole levitation situation,
00:35:56.420 --> 00:36:02.639
which could again be she's just focusing so hard
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:08.099
and really pushing through her limits, which
00:36:08.099 --> 00:36:20.630
also causes a physical reaction. that is also
00:36:20.630 --> 00:36:24.889
now moving through her. I will say also, this
00:36:24.889 --> 00:36:27.690
whole secondhand thing, I just can't help but
00:36:27.690 --> 00:36:31.050
laugh of it because it's just such a silly gimmick
00:36:31.050 --> 00:36:33.889
to be like, there's always more power behind
00:36:33.889 --> 00:36:37.349
what's going on. So there's this awesome Family
00:36:37.349 --> 00:36:39.909
Guy bit where they're making fun of Star Trek
00:36:39.909 --> 00:36:43.769
and they're trying to outrun something in Family
00:36:43.769 --> 00:36:46.130
Guy style. They switch over to the characters.
00:36:47.789 --> 00:36:50.570
Kirk is like, Scotty, we need more power. And
00:36:50.570 --> 00:36:52.750
Scotty's like, I'm literally giving it all she's
00:36:52.750 --> 00:36:55.829
got, Captain. Except in a Scottish accent. And
00:36:55.829 --> 00:36:58.889
then Scotty rings back in. He's like, actually,
00:36:58.929 --> 00:37:01.269
Captain, I just realized that the lever, I've
00:37:01.269 --> 00:37:03.309
only been pushing it halfway. Like, it can go
00:37:03.309 --> 00:37:06.869
all the way up. And it's like, oh, okay, great,
00:37:06.949 --> 00:37:09.789
Scotty. That's awesome. And then Scotty calls
00:37:09.789 --> 00:37:12.309
back in. What is it, Scotty? I'm so sorry, Captain.
00:37:12.909 --> 00:37:15.369
I just realized there's a whole nother lever
00:37:15.369 --> 00:37:18.210
that you can push that's right next to it to
00:37:18.210 --> 00:37:20.630
make it go double the speed that we're going
00:37:20.630 --> 00:37:22.929
now. That's great. Captain, I just, I really
00:37:22.929 --> 00:37:24.530
want to apologize. It's okay, Scotty. You don't
00:37:24.530 --> 00:37:27.449
know. Derek died because of this. I literally
00:37:27.449 --> 00:37:30.010
told his wife at the funeral, I was giving it
00:37:30.010 --> 00:37:32.329
all she's got, but I wasn't. I wasn't giving
00:37:32.329 --> 00:37:33.929
it all she's got. And that's kind of what this
00:37:33.929 --> 00:37:36.730
feels like to me, where it's like, oh, L, you
00:37:36.730 --> 00:37:39.369
didn't realize that your second arm was double
00:37:39.369 --> 00:37:50.010
the power. What the heck? Okay, Sierra, I have
00:37:50.010 --> 00:37:54.030
a contravency. Contravency, you say? A contravency.
00:37:54.610 --> 00:37:58.210
Wow. You will remember that beginning of the
00:37:58.210 --> 00:38:01.570
season was a great Halloween episode. Yes. And
00:38:01.570 --> 00:38:04.630
that not very many days have transpired by the
00:38:04.630 --> 00:38:06.130
time we get to the closing of the gate. You will
00:38:06.130 --> 00:38:08.929
agree? Yes. And then we have one month later.
00:38:09.190 --> 00:38:12.719
It comes up on the screen. Am I wrong? No, you
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:16.780
are not wrong. Which means it's December in Indiana,
00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:21.659
and they're about to have the snowball, or whatever
00:38:21.659 --> 00:38:24.599
it's called. Everyone needs to go back and watch
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:30.059
this. When Hawkins Lab closes, there are way
00:38:30.059 --> 00:38:36.019
too many green leaves everywhere. What were they
00:38:36.019 --> 00:38:39.869
thinking? Why did they shoot it like this? It's
00:38:39.869 --> 00:38:43.070
winter! It's Christmas! It's the winter dance!
00:38:43.250 --> 00:38:46.969
It's, like, full blaring spring! Like, those
00:38:46.969 --> 00:38:50.510
are happy, gorgeous trees whose leaves have just
00:38:50.510 --> 00:38:54.269
stretched out. I do not understand why they did
00:38:54.269 --> 00:38:58.469
this. I just remember you texting me that, and
00:38:58.469 --> 00:39:08.289
I just lost it. It's too green! Why? Why is it
00:39:08.289 --> 00:39:11.170
green? Any of my like, this is really stupid
00:39:11.170 --> 00:39:15.349
or wait, this is in this. This was the mixture
00:39:15.349 --> 00:39:19.110
of those two. Oh my gosh. So funny. It was so
00:39:19.110 --> 00:39:25.309
stupid. But it's also awkward school dance time.
00:39:25.449 --> 00:39:31.809
Yes. Which just, I love it. The school dances
00:39:31.809 --> 00:39:36.409
in media, in real life. Always have been and
00:39:36.409 --> 00:39:41.409
always will be a universal bizarre mix of emotions
00:39:41.409 --> 00:39:51.230
and weird teenage craziness and hormones or lack
00:39:51.230 --> 00:39:58.329
thereof or awkwardness that abounds. I don't
00:39:58.329 --> 00:40:00.829
think there will ever be a middle school dance.
00:40:01.630 --> 00:40:04.070
That goes off without a hitch for everybody.
00:40:06.050 --> 00:40:10.710
And isn't just so awkward. I want to say. Don't
00:40:10.710 --> 00:40:12.969
get me wrong. I had great times at middle school
00:40:12.969 --> 00:40:15.309
dances. Terrible time for me. They're all awkward.
00:40:15.489 --> 00:40:17.650
They're terrible. They're all awkward. They're
00:40:17.650 --> 00:40:23.269
super terrible. I will say, Dustin, what an immaculately
00:40:23.269 --> 00:40:27.389
courageous human being. So good. He just, like,
00:40:27.510 --> 00:40:31.409
I could have never. asked three girls in a row
00:40:31.409 --> 00:40:35.070
with that level of rejection it was one and done
00:40:35.070 --> 00:40:38.150
like turn me to dust i'm and sweep me out the
00:40:38.150 --> 00:40:41.610
door i'm dead yeah with those when those two
00:40:41.610 --> 00:40:43.929
girls just like look at him give them that like
00:40:43.929 --> 00:40:47.389
look and then back now the heck out of there
00:40:47.389 --> 00:40:51.130
i was like nope what cruelty call cps they're
00:40:51.130 --> 00:40:54.710
not even the the parents this is cruelty to a
00:40:54.710 --> 00:40:58.559
minor yeah kids are mean In case you needed a
00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:03.199
reminder, teenagers are mean and they suck. Yeah.
00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:07.300
Oh my gosh. Okay, but speaking of somebody who's
00:41:07.300 --> 00:41:09.900
not that mean, Nancy, is she not the best here?
00:41:10.340 --> 00:41:13.920
She's pretty great. Like, seeing Dustin just
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:17.039
look absolutely like a puddle in his wonderful
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:19.320
hair, in his great suit, and she just goes over
00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:20.880
and she's like, let's dance. And then all of
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:22.460
these girls that are around Dustin's age are
00:41:22.460 --> 00:41:27.349
like, Nancy Wheeler. gorgeous goodness extraordinaire
00:41:27.349 --> 00:41:32.789
of hawkins is dancing with dusty buns craziness
00:41:32.789 --> 00:41:34.889
and then he gets the street credit and it's all
00:41:34.889 --> 00:41:36.869
good and also what a sweet line when she's like
00:41:36.869 --> 00:41:39.369
you know of all my brother's friends you're my
00:41:39.369 --> 00:41:42.690
favorite so cute and also like i fast forward
00:41:42.690 --> 00:41:45.889
to when they're like 32 and 30 and they get married
00:41:45.889 --> 00:41:48.909
because nancy has black widowed both steve and
00:41:48.909 --> 00:41:51.469
jonathan uh watch out dustin she's after you
00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:58.300
You don't always have to face down a horde of
00:41:58.300 --> 00:42:01.940
angry soldiers by yourself. Buckle up, Schmisseners.
00:42:01.980 --> 00:42:06.760
It is time for our Sansa is smarter than Jon
00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:10.760
category for what is the most important character
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:15.019
moment this episode. We've talked about the important
00:42:15.019 --> 00:42:18.159
character moments. We have. It's time to determine
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:22.340
the most important. Yeah. My argument, Hopper.
00:42:22.889 --> 00:42:25.769
Fessing up with Eleven, explaining his feelings,
00:42:26.130 --> 00:42:31.110
detailing his emotions, his whole thought process,
00:42:31.170 --> 00:42:36.329
and subconscious thought processes. What an amazing
00:42:36.329 --> 00:42:40.369
whole situation that he has put himself in. I
00:42:40.369 --> 00:42:43.530
love it. It's great. It also doesn't last very
00:42:43.530 --> 00:42:45.949
long. And this is the reason why I think my choice
00:42:45.949 --> 00:42:49.909
is the right one. Because Hopper starts off the
00:42:49.909 --> 00:42:52.519
next season. Not knowing how to do any of the
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:56.199
things that he just did in this car. He is flabbergasted
00:42:56.199 --> 00:42:58.460
at the ability to create boundaries and talk
00:42:58.460 --> 00:43:00.320
about emotions and do all of these things that
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:03.440
he literally just did. He's in the midst in this
00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:05.239
episode of having a heart to heart. And then
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:07.679
Joyce is like, you should have a heart to heart
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:09.639
in episode one of season three. And he goes,
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:13.360
what's a heart to heart? What are you talking
00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:17.500
about? You just had one a couple months ago.
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:21.519
Like six months ago. uh and so that's why i believe
00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:26.280
that my pick of steve saying no i'm leading give
00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:29.380
me the torch we're going through this tunnels
00:43:29.380 --> 00:43:31.579
with me in front and i'm making sure all of you
00:43:31.579 --> 00:43:33.940
stay safe and then when they do get to the exit
00:43:33.940 --> 00:43:36.440
the fact that he is the one boosting everybody
00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:38.039
out of there and doesn't try and save himself
00:43:39.259 --> 00:43:41.719
solidifying steve's complete character growth
00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:44.400
development and giving us the steve that does
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:46.780
actually remain consistent for the next two seasons
00:43:46.780 --> 00:43:50.960
is uh is the winner here it you you cannot sway
00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:57.039
me fiend until he's drugged up in a movie theater
00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:01.099
shush that's not his fault that's really not
00:44:01.099 --> 00:44:10.969
those darn ruskies I'll give it to Steve. I will.
00:44:11.230 --> 00:44:14.110
I shall capitulate. Hopper gets a lot of great
00:44:14.110 --> 00:44:17.670
stuff and Steve's is so good in this one. That's
00:44:17.670 --> 00:44:19.929
true. I know you just lost that argument and
00:44:19.929 --> 00:44:23.449
that hand, Sierra. But listen up. For it's the
00:44:23.449 --> 00:44:28.409
I am your father category for most iconic character
00:44:28.409 --> 00:44:32.489
moment. So, we haven't talked that much about
00:44:32.489 --> 00:44:35.230
it in this episode. For most iconic character
00:44:35.230 --> 00:44:40.519
moment, Sierra. How is it not Billy and Mrs.
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:45.980
Wheeler? For who? For Billy or for Mrs. Wheeler?
00:44:46.820 --> 00:44:51.400
For either. I would argue Mrs. Wheeler more than
00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:53.440
anybody because all we've seen her is be like
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:56.679
in this sort of loveless marriage with not knowing
00:44:56.679 --> 00:45:00.730
where the kids are and just mad or sad or. And
00:45:00.730 --> 00:45:04.170
then here she is in this bathtub reading who's
00:45:04.170 --> 00:45:06.909
basically Billy Hargrove on the cover of her
00:45:06.909 --> 00:45:10.889
romance book. And then, you know, is it Ted?
00:45:11.070 --> 00:45:13.909
Ted won't get the door. He's asleep. And so she
00:45:13.909 --> 00:45:15.389
has to put on a robe and come down. She's all
00:45:15.389 --> 00:45:20.190
dolled out. And then there's Billy ready to seduce
00:45:20.190 --> 00:45:22.969
her, which we do not advocate for. They are minors
00:45:22.969 --> 00:45:25.889
and majors in this case, apparently. Minors and
00:45:25.889 --> 00:45:30.139
adults. But it's just such an iconic scene in
00:45:30.139 --> 00:45:32.079
this entire thing. It's like one of the things
00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:34.840
that I remember most from this season. Really?
00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:37.820
Yeah, absolutely. Anytime I think of Billy and
00:45:37.820 --> 00:45:40.400
Mrs. Wheeler, I think of next season. Yes, I
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:43.219
totally get that. But I went into season three
00:45:43.219 --> 00:45:45.260
being like, I'm so excited for this weird little
00:45:45.260 --> 00:45:49.599
side story of Billy and Mrs. Wheeler. And then,
00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:53.570
of course, it doesn't go anywhere. But I do like
00:45:53.570 --> 00:45:55.929
it. Okay, so it's probably not Billy and Mrs.
00:45:56.010 --> 00:45:58.329
Weaver. It's probably actually because of what
00:45:58.329 --> 00:46:00.869
we've talked about earlier, Dustin and Dart's
00:46:00.869 --> 00:46:02.929
Three Musketeers moment, because the implication
00:46:02.929 --> 00:46:07.250
of a demo What's It Not Being Evil is just so
00:46:07.250 --> 00:46:11.130
huge. Yeah, I also, I get behind this for sure,
00:46:11.210 --> 00:46:14.869
because it's also a really nice courageous moment
00:46:14.869 --> 00:46:18.710
for Dustin, which carries forward into the next
00:46:18.710 --> 00:46:21.900
season especially. Of him kind of leading the
00:46:21.900 --> 00:46:24.800
charge and doing investigating all on his own
00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:27.659
and all of those things. And so I feel like this
00:46:27.659 --> 00:46:31.699
is a really nice moment of courage for him to
00:46:31.699 --> 00:46:34.920
approach Dart, not knowing what's going to happen.
00:46:35.260 --> 00:46:39.000
Is the bond strong enough? We don't know. You
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:43.500
know, an interdimensional creature or an alternate
00:46:43.500 --> 00:46:47.570
dimension creature. accepting the chocolate you're
00:46:47.570 --> 00:46:54.090
giving yeah it is a pretty far stretch so and
00:46:54.090 --> 00:46:59.789
it works it works but nobody would have bet on
00:46:59.789 --> 00:47:03.550
it nope so i think it's a really nice just dustin
00:47:03.550 --> 00:47:07.590
moment in general 100 agreed everybody sit down
00:47:07.590 --> 00:47:13.820
it's time for our i am iron man Most iconic and
00:47:13.820 --> 00:47:19.260
most important scene category. It's Eleven rising
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into the air while closing the gate. There's
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nothing else. It's that. It's, again, that iconic
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moment of her rising with the huge red gate while
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she's cast in shadows. It's awesome. It's cinematic.
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It's what it is. It's the winner. Certainly.
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Which means that we can just crack open our encyclopedia
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because it's time for, as Elijah Wood once said,
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no, how could we have known category where we
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discuss the most important information disseminated
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to the fandom in this episode, which I think
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is just like hammering down on Eleven's powers
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are emotions based. And it's not just like turned
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up by emotions. They are emotions based. It's
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sort of like there's not really a system of like
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you. You have to have a circle drawn in the sand
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and stars, or you need to constantly eat, like,
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this magical thing or draw on the power of these
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beasts over here. Like, the magical system for
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her powers is that they are emotions -based,
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and we know she gets physically drained by that.
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And so to tap into her emotions in order to do
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sensory deprivation, like, all of that, it all
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comes into a neat little package here where it's
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like, okay, the strength is fueled by emotions,
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specifically strong. And so I think back to the
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flashback of 8 basically saying, hate, let it
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flow through you, which is actually confirming
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Eleven's telekinesis isn't a different part of
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her, but directly intertwined to her brainwaves
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and emotions. No notes. No notes. Excellent.
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No notes. It really is the most important thing
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going into going. kind of prepping us for season
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five I think it's definitely the most important
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information that we get because we don't actually
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get a lot of stuff happens in this episode but
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there's not a lot of new or developing information
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besides the fact that potentially the shadow
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monster is not within the gate because it came
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out of will and we didn't see it again and also
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the L's powers are emotions so I think those
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are really the only two topics to discuss. Big
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moments. And also, it's interesting, too, because
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at the end of season three, we'll see Elle lose
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powers in what seems to be a physical injury
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problem. And then they kind of write themselves
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into a corner into season four, trying to explain
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how actually it is an emotions problem. So, that's
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an interesting component of what's coming up.
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And then in terms of season five, like you're
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saying, with the monster not being... In the
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gate, which is why season three does its whole
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thing. Very interesting here to note how similar
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it is to Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them.
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Where you, and this is a spoiler, so skip the
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next ten seconds if you don't want to hear it.
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Where, like, the Obscurus in the first one just,
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like, survives somehow and is floating in the
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background and nobody notices. And then he's
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just in the second movie. So, that's fun. Keep
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your horses safe. It's the I'm going to make
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him an offer he can't refuse category of best
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lines. One day I will say it exactly like it's
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said in The Godfather and everyone will be shocked.
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But until then, you will enjoy my many voices
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because I will say it differently every single
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time. It's just who I am. Here it is. I may be
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a shitty boyfriend, but turns out I'm actually
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a damn good babysitter. Yep, it's great. No notes.
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Once again. Steve the Hare Harrington for the
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win. 100%. Best line of the episode. One of the
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best lines of the series. Incredible. Yep. Dust
00:51:06.300 --> 00:51:08.559
off that card deck and get ready to shuffle.
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It's our Joker category. For who is the MVP of
00:51:14.300 --> 00:51:18.480
this episode? It's Steve. It's Steve the Hare
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Harrington. And he keeps all the babies safe.
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He leads the mission. He's the one that throws
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the stupid lighter on the flames and gets Hopper
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and Elle safe to close the gate. Like, without
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:36.760
Steve, they do nothing. And also kind of with
00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:39.159
Steve, they almost don't do nothing. But when
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he gets on board... He does his job and he does
00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:43.880
his job well. He's got the best line. He's got
00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:46.920
the best sort of motivation. He, it's just, it's
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great. I love everything to do with Steve in
00:51:48.500 --> 00:51:52.360
this episode. Yes. I seconded, I don't even have
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:55.119
an honorable mention for this one. I think it's
00:51:55.119 --> 00:51:57.500
out and out Steve. It's really interesting how
00:51:57.500 --> 00:51:58.920
that happened in this episode because there are
00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:01.800
great moments for Joyce and Will and Nancy and
00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:04.039
Jonathan. Like they have a great, they have awesome
00:52:04.039 --> 00:52:07.460
acting moments and great scenes. Elle and Hopper
00:52:07.460 --> 00:52:10.860
have awesome like heart to heart. And then these
00:52:10.860 --> 00:52:13.500
really cool moments. But, like, the charisma
00:52:13.500 --> 00:52:16.659
that Steve has, especially with Dustin, but in
00:52:16.659 --> 00:52:20.400
this role, his acting is just so phenomenal in
00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:23.159
a way that elevates his character for this episode.
00:52:23.260 --> 00:52:25.780
And even though they're not the main story, he's
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by far the best part of this episode. Oh, yeah.
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Definitely. Really comes out as the star. Yeah.
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He does. We dying over there? Pound for pound.
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Is it Sam? Okay. Okay. He's in this episode for
00:52:45.550 --> 00:52:48.829
approximately 30 seconds. Oh, Sierra, I love
00:52:48.829 --> 00:52:50.630
this. I love you bringing in a pound for pound
00:52:50.630 --> 00:52:54.090
argument. Okay. First of all, his name's Sam,
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so I will give him already a leg up. Because
00:52:56.909 --> 00:52:59.630
there are not that many Sams in the fictional
00:52:59.630 --> 00:53:03.329
universe that I'm, like, super behind. So, okay.
00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:06.320
And he also kind of fits into like the stereotypical
00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:09.019
Sam where it's like Samwise Gamgee and the Sam
00:53:09.019 --> 00:53:10.699
and like other ones that it's like, yeah, we're
00:53:10.699 --> 00:53:15.679
all portly short people. But. Not Sam Winchester.
00:53:15.780 --> 00:53:20.239
That's so true. That's so true. And not Sam Obasanya
00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:25.719
either from Ted Lasso. But listen, pound for
00:53:25.719 --> 00:53:27.199
pound, you're right. He's in the episodes for
00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:30.900
like maybe three minutes total. He's injured,
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but he lives. He lives a demo dog when so many
00:53:35.420 --> 00:53:38.199
other people haven't. He's handed a gun. He laughs
00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:42.880
about it. And then he gets Hopper and Elle the
00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:44.860
birth certificate. You're so right. This is a
00:53:44.860 --> 00:53:47.079
pound for pound for the amount of minutes that
00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:52.179
he's in this episode. He works. He works. I'm
00:53:52.179 --> 00:53:54.519
just saying. He also portion controls in this
00:53:54.519 --> 00:54:01.019
episode. He. He. Is a great man for the three
00:54:01.019 --> 00:54:04.980
minutes that he is on screen. He makes the most
00:54:04.980 --> 00:54:08.639
of every second. There is no wasted time with
00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:11.320
this man. In all honesty, that actor really does
00:54:11.320 --> 00:54:14.539
pull, and not in a bad way, he really does draw
00:54:14.539 --> 00:54:17.920
attention and really kills in every scene that
00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:21.699
he's in in this season. He really does. Just
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saying. You don't have me quite so convinced,
00:54:24.539 --> 00:54:28.289
but man, it's close. Yeah. He doesn't have to
00:54:28.289 --> 00:54:31.530
be the MVP. He's the pound -for -pound MVP. There's
00:54:31.530 --> 00:54:33.670
no argument when it comes to that kind of going.
00:54:33.670 --> 00:54:35.309
Pound -for -pound, no. Oh, my gosh. Pound -for
00:54:35.309 --> 00:54:38.389
-pound MVP. But he's, like, I'm almost tempted
00:54:38.389 --> 00:54:43.269
to call him the actual MVP. Yes. I'm so happy
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right now. Well done. Thank you. Usually that's
00:54:46.269 --> 00:54:47.989
my corner. Thank you, thank you. Well done. I
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know. Okay, moving on. Occasionally a brainwave.
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Clean your... evil air and get ready for our
00:54:59.059 --> 00:55:05.219
i was the turkey all along category four what
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is the biggest takeaway viewers should leave
00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:11.699
with in preparation for season five my biggest
00:55:11.699 --> 00:55:14.320
takeaway fire is your friend when it comes to
00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:18.559
the upside down it sounds like a joke however
00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:22.940
it's really not It helps in season three, too.
00:55:23.239 --> 00:55:26.380
It does. Man, why don't they take... When Max
00:55:26.380 --> 00:55:28.719
is getting hunted by Vecna, why doesn't she bring
00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:32.260
fire with her? They know it works. We will...
00:55:32.260 --> 00:55:34.420
The world will never know. The world will never
00:55:34.420 --> 00:55:37.880
know. Okay. Because she brings her Walkman with
00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:39.940
her. Anyways, we'll get there when we get to
00:55:39.940 --> 00:55:44.500
season four. The one that I have in here is that
00:55:44.500 --> 00:55:48.840
it's 100 % that Vecna took Will in season one.
00:55:49.340 --> 00:55:54.050
There's an... Awesome little moment where when
00:55:54.050 --> 00:55:56.570
Eleven uses two hands and starts to levitate,
00:55:56.750 --> 00:56:00.650
the entire electromagnetic field in Hawkins changes.
00:56:01.050 --> 00:56:05.449
And it's when the same exact sound of light flickering
00:56:05.449 --> 00:56:09.829
in the buyer's house happens. That happens in
00:56:09.829 --> 00:56:12.269
the buyer's shed when Will is hiding in there
00:56:12.269 --> 00:56:15.329
at the beginning of season one. That's not Demogorgon
00:56:15.329 --> 00:56:18.369
stuff. That's not what Demogorgons can do. Now,
00:56:18.369 --> 00:56:20.469
there is some electricity outages and stuff when
00:56:20.469 --> 00:56:23.369
weird stuff is happening. And, like, clearly
00:56:23.369 --> 00:56:26.369
you can interact with lights to attract monsters
00:56:26.369 --> 00:56:31.250
and attract people. But that sound, I think,
00:56:31.250 --> 00:56:33.809
is, to me, one of the biggest proofs that Vecna
00:56:33.809 --> 00:56:37.889
took Will in Season 1. So there we go. I like
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it. Thank you. Let's keep building that folder.
00:56:40.190 --> 00:56:44.489
Yeah, absolutely. You are such a person that
00:56:44.489 --> 00:56:50.039
works for a financial company. Let's keep building
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:52.199
that folder. What other business jargon you got
00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:56.820
for me? No, my next one was going to be, I see
00:56:56.820 --> 00:56:58.739
you have a cork board in the background there.
00:56:58.780 --> 00:57:02.039
Get out your red string. Absolutely. I am 100
00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:06.420
% Charlie Day when it comes to this. Okay, for
00:57:06.420 --> 00:57:09.900
today's public service announcement, please note
00:57:09.900 --> 00:57:13.659
all eligible middle schoolers and high schoolers,
00:57:13.719 --> 00:57:18.739
always have a backup option for a date. No one
00:57:18.739 --> 00:57:22.519
wants to see you alone at a dance and throw an
00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:25.000
older sister pity party for your little twerp's
00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:27.699
brother's friend. Get yourself a backup option
00:57:27.699 --> 00:57:30.199
and make sure you come with a date to the dance.
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End of PSA. And on that lovely note, thank you
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listener schmissners for listening to this episode
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Don't forget to tip your middle school chaperones.
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And fare thee well! Whatever our outro is, it
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goes right here. This sounds like a Christian
00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:27.440
science hymn. Onward, klishners, mishners, marching
00:58:27.440 --> 00:58:35.400
to nerd out. With the hand of Vecna going on
00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:41.210
before. Fandom Schmandum was created by Sam Williams
00:58:41.210 --> 00:58:44.130
and Ciara Obermark. The show is produced by Aurelia
00:58:44.130 --> 00:58:47.309
Lieb. The editor is Brittany Fisher. The music
00:58:47.309 --> 00:59:08.690
is by Jeremiah Alves. Fandom, fandom, fandom,
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fandom. That's me recording. Britt. Britt. Britt.
00:59:24.510 --> 00:59:26.909
Britt. Britt. Oh, I'm so sorry, Britt. That's
00:59:26.909 --> 00:59:28.670
going to look like Sierra and I sunk up like
00:59:28.670 --> 00:59:33.769
85 ,000 different times. Okay, here we go. Oh,
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well. Fandom. Fandom. Fandom. Yo. Yo. Yo. Fandom.
00:59:52.619 --> 00:59:55.460
You've never had so many fandoms. Fandom. Fandom.
00:59:55.579 --> 01:00:03.110
Fandom. Great. Clap for me, Sierra. Send me into
01:00:03.110 --> 01:00:09.110
the void with your spanky hands. Send me into
01:00:09.110 --> 01:00:15.090
the shadow realm. Yes? No? Okay. Yes, I loved
01:00:15.090 --> 01:00:18.590
it. I was laughing. Thank you. Thank you. The
01:00:18.590 --> 01:00:23.900
shadow realm. Alright. Spanky hands. Did you
01:00:23.900 --> 01:00:27.760
just realize what I said? No, I just, I tried
01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:30.340
to move on from it, and then I thought about
01:00:30.340 --> 01:00:31.559
it again. And then you got pulled back in by
01:00:31.559 --> 01:00:36.280
me saying spanky hands? Yes. Yeah. Ring the bells.
01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:39.840
End of round. Steve is 0 for 2 in fights. No,
01:00:39.880 --> 01:00:43.079
no, Sierra. Stop. Wait. It's 0 for 2. It's 0
01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:46.300
for 2 and you can't say 0 for 2. My God. Did
01:00:46.300 --> 01:00:50.820
I say 0? I read it in my head as 0. You said
01:00:50.820 --> 01:00:53.199
0 for 2 and I'm like, no one in the history of
01:00:53.199 --> 01:00:55.179
sports in the English language has ever said
01:00:55.179 --> 01:01:00.840
0 for 2. 0 for 2. Yeah, I know. Okay. And then
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:04.860
Elle realizes she can use two hands to make her
01:01:04.860 --> 01:01:16.719
power double in strength. I know we're in the
01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:18.559
middle of a story recap, but I've got to tell
01:01:18.559 --> 01:01:21.260
you, when I was writing that bit, Sierra, God,
01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:25.920
that really got me. It's so funny. So there's
01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:29.639
this great... Put this at the end, Britt, because
01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:33.480
I really shouldn't interrupt here right now,
01:01:33.579 --> 01:01:42.010
but... Sorry, I'm really... He's crying. I just,
01:01:42.050 --> 01:01:46.210
I really got myself with my own writing on my
01:01:46.210 --> 01:01:54.949
own. Can use two hands. Okay. God, can use two
01:01:54.949 --> 01:02:05.150
hands. Two slappy hands. Two spanky hands. Two
01:02:05.150 --> 01:02:11.269
spanky hands. Okay. Hopper plays sniper against
01:02:11.269 --> 01:02:13.789
the Demi -Dogs, who, Demi -Dogs, it's Demo. I
01:02:13.789 --> 01:02:16.570
keep writing Demi. I didn't know until I was
01:02:16.570 --> 01:02:19.650
reading subtitles it was Demo, to be fair. One
01:02:19.650 --> 01:02:25.949
month later. I gotta do it again. Hold on. Like
01:02:25.949 --> 01:02:30.030
the SpongeBob. Yeah, yeah. One month later. Yes.
01:02:30.250 --> 01:02:33.889
Find your donut holes. It is time for our Knives
01:02:33.889 --> 01:02:42.980
Out category, where we... We didn't fix it. Sleuth.
01:02:42.980 --> 01:02:52.219
It's sleuth. Sleuth. Sleuth. The pause of both
01:02:52.219 --> 01:02:55.980
of us being like, wait, what's the word? The
01:02:55.980 --> 01:02:57.840
like, the like glaze in our eyes. I know it's
01:02:57.840 --> 01:03:00.119
not either of the ones that we wrote. Sleuth?
01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:05.599
Sus? Sleuth? Sleuth. We've been sleuth saying
01:03:05.599 --> 01:03:08.179
this all day. We've been sleuth, sleuth saying,
01:03:08.300 --> 01:03:12.769
sleuth saying. Uh, we've been sleuth -slaying.
01:03:13.489 --> 01:03:15.789
Sleuth -slaying? She wants to go on support.
01:03:16.230 --> 01:03:20.710
Support. Support. Support a moon. Uh, and it's
01:03:20.710 --> 01:03:24.070
- Support him. The, like, movement helps with
01:03:24.070 --> 01:03:27.150
the psychotic movements in some way, shape, or
01:03:27.150 --> 01:03:29.750
form. The psychotic movements. What the f***
01:03:29.750 --> 01:03:33.769
am I talking about? But how is - Oh my gosh.
01:03:33.769 --> 01:03:42.679
Wow. Way too long of a pause. Oh. Is it? Melon.
01:03:42.880 --> 01:03:45.239
Yeah, for real. It's what brings us. It's what
01:03:45.239 --> 01:03:48.139
brings us. It's what brings your hands together
01:03:48.139 --> 01:03:54.699
today. Keep your horses safe because it is time.
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Going back. Sorry. Wow. We're flubbing a lot
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today. Please note, all edgeable. Oh, gosh. All
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edgeable. Nope. Definitely not what I'm trying
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to say. No. And on that lovely note, thank you
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for... Oh, my God. I, like, lost it. I've been
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right there. Thank you for... And I'm done. I
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have hit eject on this sentence. There's an escape
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pod going through there where the Empire's like,
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nah, there's no life forms on board. Definitely
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no brainwaves, I'll tell you that much. Yep.
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Welcome to Fandom Shmandom, the fandom podcast
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that covers everything you love and more. I'm
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Sam Williams. And I'm Sierra Obermark. Today's
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episode, we will be flippantly factualizing about
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Stranger Things Season 2, Episode 9. And without
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further ado, we will, as Roger Smith says, dive
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on in. So get up to 88, because it's time to
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travel back to our story recap. Of the finale
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of season two, Elle is here. She's alive, and
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call him Mike Tyson, because he's ready to rip
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off Hopper's ears if he could reach. But never
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fear, Billy is here. Dressed almost precisely
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like one of her romance novel covers, Billy confronts
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Mrs. Wheeler with charm, grace, and pure animal
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magnetism. Considering what we know about her
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husband, Ted, have your moment of admiration,
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girl. But, considering his age and what we generally
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know about Billy, leave it at this one moment
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and run. And or someone should potentially call
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the cops on her. Mike, once again, miraculously
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has the perfect plan. He has literally no other
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talents but Plan Man, but sure, he comes up with
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a great strategy again. Kill the Mind Flayer
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and Will is dead, so save Will, then close the
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gate. Which is actually super right and super
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what they all do. The team splits. Joyce, Jonathan,
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and Nancy, who definitely belongs there, and
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is just as invested in Will as the other two.
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They need to burn the Mind Flayer out of Will.
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El and Hop head off to close the gate, and on
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the way, Hopper explains why he has been so protective
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of El. Let me tell you, folks, a grown man coming
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to terms with his faults, expressing his thoughts
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and emotions, apologizing for his effect on others.
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We at Fandom Shmandum love to see it. Steve and
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the Babysitter's Club. new band name, I'm calling
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it now, are called upon by one Mr. Billy, not
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Gene, not Eilish, and not Boyd, Billy Hargrove,
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and it's mullet versus quaff. And Steve the Hare
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Harrington loses. Ring the bells, end of round,
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Steve is 0 for 2 in fights. But Max stabs Billy
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with drugs and threatens his manhood with Steve's
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bat. And on top of that, steals his car. She
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really is the best. Mind Flayer Will decides
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to choke out Joyce, and Jonathan can't do squat
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about it. But Nancy can. Pumping the room with
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heat and fire, Nancy stabs Will with a fire poker,
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and then the Mind Flayer shoots out of him. Safe
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at last. Waking up to Mad Max driving, the most
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obvious reference to that actual movie franchise,
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how did I not see it coming and how did I not
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notice until this watch through, the kids have
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driven Steve to the hole that Hopper dug, book
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title, and are en route to burn the tunnel. The
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babies have a plan. Burn at Vine HQ and the Demodogs
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will come. which works and lures the dog away
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for Hopper and Elle to close the gate. Hopper
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plays sniper against the demo dogs, which do
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happen to be close enough to run back towards
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them after Elle starts to close the gate, and
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Elle realizes she can use two hands to make her
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power double in strength. We're never going to
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get through it without laughing. Dustin proves
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that he and Dart have a connection, using three
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musketeers to help them all escape. In a hugely
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satisfying moment, it levitates and screams,
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tapping into the horrors of her past. She shuts
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the gate, managing not to burn up in the process.
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One month later. The lab has been condemned.
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Murray is high on his success from the explosive
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reveal of the danger in Hawkins, and Barbara
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is finally put to rest. Sam comes through for
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Hopper and Elle in a real way, providing Jane
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Hopper a birth certificate. Everyone is getting
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ready for the snowball. Will dancing in the living
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room with Joyce. Mike dealing with embarrassing
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photos. Lucas trying to figure out how to ask
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Max to dance. Max having her hair done while
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threatening Billy with her glare, and Dustin
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using Steve's secret hair tips. At the dance,
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the dreaded slow song comes on. Let the coupling
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begin! Max and Lucas, Will with some random girl
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that rudely calls him zombie boy, and he's like,
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okay, fine, I guess. Dustin, who tries to ask
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multiple girls. Before Nancy sees him and gives
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him the street cred he needs. Which leaves Mike,
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to my very great pleasure, alone. Enter Elle,
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looking adorable. And they have a great moment.
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Want to dance? I don't know how. I don't either.
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Want to figure it out together? Max and Lucas
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share a small kiss. Elle and Mike share a small
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kiss. Out in the parking lot, Joyce and Hopper
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share, you guessed it, a cigarette and a hug.
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Everything seems right in the world. This world,
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but upside down. The mind flayer remains. Roll
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credits! Find your donut holes? It is time for
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our Knives Out category, where we sleuth out
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which three storylines are the most vital to
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pay attention to. Number one, burning of the
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tunnels, Steve and the kids. Number two, closing
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of the gate, Hopper and Elle. And number three,
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smoking out the shadow, Nancy and the Byers.
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Number one, burning of the tunnels, Steve and
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the kids. So everyone separated up. We've got
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Nancy with the Byers. We've got Hop and Elle
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going to close the gate. And we've got Steve
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babysitting all the little wee kiddos. Steve
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is basically saying, we've been benched. And
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they're like, no, we're not even in the game.
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And he's like, right, well, we're on the side.
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And they're like, they're not going to call us
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in for a play. And he's like, right, you just
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stick with the plan. We're not doing anything.
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And the kids can't put up with that. They come
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up with this plan, okay, that the demo dogs can
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be distracted away from where Hopper and L are
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to close the gate. And they can use the hive
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mind. And before Steve can shut it down, Billy
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shows up. One Mr. Billy Hargroves. Shut it down.
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Shut it down. So Billy shows up and beats Steve
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to a pulp, which had been coming all season.
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You know, they'd been facing off in basketball
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and in the showers and now at a random person's
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house. And to be fair, Max and the kids are not
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hiding well at all. So Steve's like, I don't
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know. She's not here. And Billy's like, she's
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literally in the window, bud. And so they fight.
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And it doesn't go well for Steve. But Max is
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there. She spots the sedating will drugs and
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stabs Billy in the neck, takes Steve's bat, and
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then threatens Billy's manhood. And he's like,
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great, I'll leave you alone. Which, like, yeah,
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to be fair, if I got stabbed in the neck by my
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little sister and then my jewels had been threatened,
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I'd be like, you got it. That's how that goes.
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Here's the keys. Here's the keys. Here's the
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keys. And speaking of, she definitely takes the
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car with little blocks on her feet, and they
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drive out to Hopper's Hole. They drop down in
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the vines, they go to Grand Central Station,
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and they burn it where all the vines meet, which
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gets the demo dogs to come running up to them,
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where Dustin is able to then distract Dart, who's
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sort of guarding their way, with some nougat.
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proving that they have a connection which is
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awfully confusing uh what do we think is important
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about this one sierra i think well first of all
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from a story standpoint this is needed because
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if the demo dogs were not distracted at all it
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would make things a lot more difficult for ellen
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hopper yeah hopper is already having a very difficult
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time with the dogs when they do show up so thinking
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about how overwhelmed they would be had the dogs
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been there the whole time would be they probably
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wouldn't have made it out so from a story standpoint
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that's the importance i think from a general
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standpoint i think the most important thing is
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Steve's growth in his character. This is really
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where he is fully, fully in babysitter mode and
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really taking all these kids under his wing.
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It further cements the connection between Steve
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and Dustin. And then also, we do have a little
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bit of the Dustin and Dart connection to explore,
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but I feel like it's not explored further. After
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this. So it's one of those things that could
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have potentially spiraled into a much more interesting
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storyline, plotline type of thing. So unless
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that's going to come up again in season five,
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it kind of has gone nowhere so far. But it could
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be something very interesting if they wanted
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to bring that back in. So Steve's character growth
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here obviously is a huge deal, like you were
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saying. But I, on this watch through, knowing
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where Steve and Dustin's relationship is heading
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for next season and how Steve and Nancy's relationship
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will happen in season four, I was like, oh, good.
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I like to see this. This is a nice moment for
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him. His character growth continues to be great.
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It seems like the writers really like his character,
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et cetera, et cetera. The dart thing was brand
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new, sort of thinking -wise for me, where I'm
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like, wait, dart? Does have a connection with
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Dustin. Yeah. He's not innately evil. And he's
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connected to the hive mind. But is he connected
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to the hive mind because that's how all creatures
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are in the Upside Down? Or has it been infected
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and these are actually creatures that could be
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nurtured? Could be intelligent? Could be all
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sorts of different things. And it just made me
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be like, why haven't we gotten more of this?
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This idea of, like, everybody's corruptible but
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not everything is corrupted? And that's just
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mind -boggling for me in this rewatch. Yeah,
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I think it's a little bit of a missed opportunity.
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Yeah. Because this could be a very fascinating
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plotline to follow, especially with where we
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end up with Hopper coming across these again.
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And it's still not really explored. They're just,
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you know, he's just using his... ability is to
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get out of there and his knowledge of having
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fought them in the past but it doesn't really
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explore that they can form a connection or that
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they have any sort of critical thinking or emotional
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in intelligence so i really think that I mean,
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maybe they'll bring it back in season five. Maybe.
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That's my hope, that they wouldn't have introduced
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something this interesting without having some
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sort of a connection again. Yeah, totally. To
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wrap it all up, but who knows? And given the
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fact that they do have a connection, it makes
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me feel even worse about the previous hockey
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stick throw that Dustin does. Oh, so much. Which
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I, like, ugh. I just, it's so heartbreaking.
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And now that we know that like, hey, I felt bad
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and like Dustin goes and apologizes to him about
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it. Yeah. And so he starts, he stops growling.
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It's just like, wait, there's so much intelligence
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here. The lack of aggression, the backing off,
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the letting them pass, the, all of it's just
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so good. And it makes me wonder like. I know
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that they probably don't want to do something
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as cliche as, like, you can break the hive mind
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connection through love. But I'm sort of like,
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but is there anything there that they can do?
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Like, are we going to, like, for how Star Wars
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Rise of Skywalker was initially a duel of fates
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and they had a whole storm trooper uprising and
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revolt written in that script. I'm like, are
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we going to, for season five, have a Demogorgon
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slash Demodog revolt? That would be awesome.
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But we'll see. Oh, that would be. Very interesting.
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I like it. Well, the next plot line that we should
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be really focusing on is the closing of the gate,
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which is Hopper and Elle's storyline. So Elle
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sees the note with Will saying to close the gate,
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and then Hopper and Elle set off to do this.
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On the way, they have this really, really sweet
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heart -to -heart hop. explains his feelings and
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his emotions and all of these things able to
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set boundaries it's amazing why he cares about
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her and why it's hard that he cares about her
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and what he's gone through in the past and how
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he hopes they can have this connection and it's
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all very very sweet and definitely feels like
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he thinks maybe one of them is not going to make
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it out of this and which is all the more nice
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that they do. Hopper then, when they get to the
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lab, finds Sam, who is still alive and still
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there hanging out, and gives him a gun. Says,
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all right, you just continue to stay here. Don't
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go anywhere. Don't go anywhere. We'll be back.
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Yeah, bye. Which is really... A nice little lighthearted
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moment right before they go to potentially certain
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doom. And then when they get down, I just I love
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the this is a kind of a side, but I love the
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visuals of the gate itself and lowering down
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as they're descending to get midway through the
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gate so she can get. I don't know, central access
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or something like that. I'm not exactly sure
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why they have to descend, but they do. So after
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they descend, she starts to close the gate. As
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soon as she starts to close the gate, all the
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demodogs that have been distracted are now called
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back. So now they're all rushing. Hopper is just
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trying to keep them away from Elle as long as
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possible so that she can keep closing the gate.
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She uses two hands and starts levitating in the
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air and screaming and bleeding and all of these
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things. But she does close the gate and Hopper
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is able to carry her out of there, which is excellent.
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Yeah. So there's a couple of different really
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important things in here. But one of the sort
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of oddities of this moment is the fact that...
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sam has been attacked dr sam the psychiatrist
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has been attacked and not eaten unlike bob uh
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and so i i imagine the like they might have even
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shot an explanation for this or at least written
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one but i imagine that it was sort of like hey
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uh the demo dogs ran away for this other time
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right when i was leaving because the hive mind
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happened to call them away and that's why he's
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alive there Because otherwise, anyone who's been
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attacked, fully attacked by a Demo Dog or a Demogorgon,
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that's not one of the main people, has been killed.
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So... Yeah. That's certainly... Especially somebody
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who's been, like, hurt enough to just stay still.
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So unless he, like, choked out the Demo Dog,
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I'm not exactly sure how he's alive. But in terms
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of the actual important things, to your point,
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doubling down on, like, L's need for... physical
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proximity to be close. And we'll see this in
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like season three when she like explodes Soda
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at a mall, right? Like the closer she is, it
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seems like the more she can focus her power and
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the stronger it gets. So sort of lowering down.
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I know it's also there for the visual. Like the
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visual is great. You've got this, you know, this
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little girl against this huge gate. And they're
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trying to sort of recreate that moment of when
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Millie Bobby Brown is really tiny in the first
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season going up against the Demogorgon. But it
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works really well here. But it also establishes
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a bit more of like, okay, she really needs to
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be out in front of the thing in order. To maximize
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her power there. That. And also like a little
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bit of Sarah stuff. That we get with Hopper's.
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You know past daughter. And that sort of. Comparison
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with Elle's situation. And him being really concerned
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for her. And wanting to do everything he possibly
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can. To keep her safe is really nice. But also
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this is one of my favorite moments. In Stranger
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Things. Is the moment of Hopper playing Sniper.
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The first time watching it. Just being. on the
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edge of your seat being like, is he going to
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get it? What's happening here? And then he has
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to switch guns to a shotgun. And it's just like
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the constant movement and stress that occurs
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and just how awesome Jim Hopper's actor, David
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Harbour, just how great David Harbour's physical
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acting and movement is as she shifts over to
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a side and over to another side, over to this
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side. It's like the most intense, violent version
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of whack -a -mole. And it's just so great. that's
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a great comparison and i do really enjoy the
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this sounds weird but i really enjoy the stressful
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situations in stranger things because i feel
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like there is often a little bit of a lag in
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terms of stakes because you're not anticipating
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any of the main characters to die really and
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so You kind of have this expectation that on
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some level, they're all going to make it through.
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However, there are those moments, I feel, you
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know, maybe once or twice a season or so, when
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you really do start to feel for at least one
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main character's life. And this is one of those
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moments. And I do very much enjoy the edge of
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your seat quality that it brings. Obviously,
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the... importance of closing the gate to the
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overall story speaks for itself yeah so i think
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apart from that just the connection between hopper
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and l is so key yeah because it really sets up
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from here on with him being her father yes on
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paper i mean and and in practice as well so you
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know at the end of this episode he becomes her
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father and so It's a nice change from Hoppa being
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the dad that she knows. Yeah. And now it's Hop
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and he might not know much. Exactly. He might
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not know much about parenting a teenager, but
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he'll learn. He will. He will absolutely learn.
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Well, and to your point about main characters
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dying, you know, we went through. all of season
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one and the entire main group doesn't die. We've
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get side characters who die, but the entire group
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doesn't die. And so it's a really good effective
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use of killing off Bob earlier in this season
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to make you think, oh man, like Bob is a main
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character. Maybe somebody in here is actually
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going to die. And eventually, you know, they
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play with this idea throughout season three.
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And then of course with Max in season four. Right.
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So, you know, it's a really requisite idea to
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have to kill off somebody major in season two,
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and it happens to be the character that you've
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introduced, Bob. Yeah. Yeah, it's a good effective
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use of that. So the third one, smoking out the
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shadow, Nancy and the Byers. Okay, so this is
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where Mike realizes closing the gate will kill
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Will. Joyce realizes they need to stop appeasing
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it, and instead of... It likes it cold. Okay,
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well, then I'm gonna make it hot. The whole idea
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is that Will is the host to a virus of the Mind
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Flayer. So Jonathan's like, we gotta make the
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host uninhabitable. So they go to this little
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shack. They heat up the house as much as possible.
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fireplace uh actual space heaters 1980s space
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heaters so that awful sound when you turn it
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on so good uh it's awesome it really makes everything
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so eerie and then really brings it back brings
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me back brings me back oh gosh and then uh mind
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flayer sort of fully takes over will starts Killing
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Joyce. Jonathan can't do a single thing about
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it. And Nancy, of all people, weirdly in this
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buyer's only story, is like, I'll be the one
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to save it. And she grabs this hot poker. Now,
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when she's doing this hot poker is also when
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Steve has just lit Grand Central Station on fire.
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So there's probably a bit of two forces coming
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here. Where the Mind Flayer's been hurt majorly
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at its central location. And also will... is
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uninhabitable and then hit with a fire poker
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um and that releases the shadow monster so sierra
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what is important why are we going over this
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particular storyline i think that the key here
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is the host to virus or shadow monster whatever
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that key whatever that is that relationship so
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the relationship between shadow monster and host
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Obviously such a very, very, very key factor
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of season three. So this is really bringing it
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along of, okay, the monster has been ejected
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from Will. We are burning the vines. Elle is
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closing the gate. Where's the shadow monster
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going? It's out of Will, but we don't see it
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go through the gate. So, this moment is really
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what sets up season three. And, you know, yes,
00:23:05.710 --> 00:23:09.750
Elle closing the gate closes season two, but
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this is what sets up season three. Yeah. So,
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the fact that it does not leave, it is out of
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will, it has been rejected by the host, it still
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needs to go somewhere. Yeah. So... That's the
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key part, is just this is how the story continues.
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And the other... I don't know that there is too
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much in terms of the relationships between these
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particular characters that develops the way that
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the other two storylines have. So this storyline,
00:23:43.779 --> 00:23:48.680
to me, feels very much plot -focused and plot
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-heavy. Yes, oh, I totally agree. It's really,
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really... Amping that up. And just how it weaves
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in with the other two. Because they have to have
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the timing right. In order for this all to work
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out. And those scenes are so short. Like they're
00:24:02.460 --> 00:24:06.759
so. Like you're saying. Those scenes set up the
00:24:06.759 --> 00:24:09.500
tempo of the show. They set up the plot points.
00:24:09.599 --> 00:24:12.200
Of let's save Will. And how do we move to season
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three. But also they include. They really set
00:24:15.220 --> 00:24:17.339
the tone in sort of horror elements. Before you
00:24:17.339 --> 00:24:19.500
get to Hopper and his sniper moments. Because
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you've got Will. In his bedroom. just you know
00:24:23.819 --> 00:24:26.240
and then like choking and it's all of these like
00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:31.039
very classic horror moments yeah it really sets
00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:36.279
the tone and the stage and it's i mean the acting
00:24:36.279 --> 00:24:41.140
is really phenomenal i will say yeah i will say
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i hate you leave you love me i do i do yeah no
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i think um You're right on the money there. It
00:24:53.259 --> 00:24:55.339
doesn't really do anything for the characters
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that much, right? It wraps up the Joyce Will
00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:02.920
story. Jonathan and Nancy have already wrapped
00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:06.799
up sort of as soon as they reach everybody. But
00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:09.859
also at the beginning of this, Steve is the one
00:25:09.859 --> 00:25:13.920
that tells Nancy to go with Jonathan. Right.
00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:17.220
And he's accepting of his sort of role of no
00:25:17.220 --> 00:25:18.539
longer being her boyfriend. He's like, you know,
00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:21.440
I may have been a shitty boyfriend, but I'm one
00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:24.099
hell of a babysitter. That's his quote. It's
00:25:24.099 --> 00:25:27.759
an awesome line that he has. And that really
00:25:27.759 --> 00:25:30.619
sort of wraps up that Steve and Nancy moment.
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But that's it. And then the rest of the episode
00:25:33.059 --> 00:25:34.900
is just sort of like, all right, well, let's
00:25:34.900 --> 00:25:38.259
have this occur and figure out how we save Will.
00:25:38.990 --> 00:25:40.910
So that everybody who cares about that kid knows
00:25:40.910 --> 00:25:43.049
what happens. But it really is sort of devoid
00:25:43.049 --> 00:25:45.329
of any sort of character moment, unlike Hop and
00:25:45.329 --> 00:25:49.230
Elle. Or Steve and the kids sort of solidifying
00:25:49.230 --> 00:25:51.529
more of how this relationship is going to work
00:25:51.529 --> 00:25:55.950
in the future. Right. Yeah, exactly. Well, keep
00:25:55.950 --> 00:25:59.509
your finger on the pause button. And rewind that
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tape, Sierra. It's time for the prestige category.
00:26:02.829 --> 00:26:07.890
What did we notice on this watch through? Mike?
00:26:08.029 --> 00:26:13.109
and Nancy are highly intelligent and good at
00:26:13.109 --> 00:26:16.630
thinking on their feet for having the parents
00:26:16.630 --> 00:26:21.650
that they do. Yes, this is a diss on their parents.
00:26:21.890 --> 00:26:26.490
I don't know what Ted does for a job. We only
00:26:26.490 --> 00:26:29.670
ever see him sleeping on the couch or the chair
00:26:29.670 --> 00:26:32.789
and watching TV and not answering the door or
00:26:32.789 --> 00:26:39.339
the phone. And Mrs. Wheeler, seems to be very
00:26:39.339 --> 00:26:45.720
much a kind of valium mom yeah absolutely she's
00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:48.279
not quite really there she doesn't really know
00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:51.359
where her kids are at all times she's there she's
00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:54.380
doing stuff she's tolerating everybody she's
00:26:54.380 --> 00:26:57.000
trying to keep the family in one piece as much
00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:02.099
as she can but neither of them seem all that
00:27:02.099 --> 00:27:06.769
put together mentally and so the fact that Two
00:27:06.769 --> 00:27:08.849
of their three children, which we don't know
00:27:08.849 --> 00:27:11.609
much about the youngest girl other than somehow
00:27:11.609 --> 00:27:16.230
she's connected to the Upside Down because she
00:27:16.230 --> 00:27:20.269
can have these kind of moments with it that are
00:27:20.269 --> 00:27:23.509
not explained. But other than that, we don't
00:27:23.509 --> 00:27:25.450
really know anything about her. But Mike and
00:27:25.450 --> 00:27:27.869
Nancy are very smart people who come up with
00:27:27.869 --> 00:27:30.990
these brilliant plans who are able to rally people
00:27:30.990 --> 00:27:35.859
to whatever their plot is going to be. Where
00:27:35.859 --> 00:27:39.400
do they get it from? Yeah, absolutely. Where
00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:42.160
do they get it from? To your point, both parents
00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:44.140
have no idea what's going on. I don't understand
00:27:44.140 --> 00:27:47.380
it, but good on them. Like, I guess good on them.
00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:50.299
This speaks to being absentee parents. You let
00:27:50.299 --> 00:27:53.420
your kids flourish. I guess the moral of the
00:27:53.420 --> 00:27:55.619
lesson is just don't pay attention and then they'll
00:27:55.619 --> 00:27:59.799
be okay. Or if you're being a little bit more
00:27:59.799 --> 00:28:03.839
optimistic, let go and let God. sure yeah yeah
00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:06.279
we'll go with that totally so it seems a little
00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:13.140
malcolm in the middle oh man so speaking of nancy
00:28:13.140 --> 00:28:15.380
i think i might have answered this question in
00:28:15.380 --> 00:28:18.619
my head but i still kind of like on the first
00:28:18.619 --> 00:28:20.759
watch it's like yeah nancy's with jonathan of
00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:22.220
course she's been with jonathan the whole time
00:28:22.220 --> 00:28:25.299
and then i'm also kind of like why the heck is
00:28:25.299 --> 00:28:31.180
nancy with the buyers And then, you know, you
00:28:31.180 --> 00:28:33.400
go back and you watch Steve being like, hey,
00:28:33.460 --> 00:28:34.980
you should go with him. And it's clear that she
00:28:34.980 --> 00:28:37.640
and Jonathan are an item now. And it's clear
00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:40.380
that she wants to go and support her man. And
00:28:40.380 --> 00:28:43.259
so I think that's fine enough. But it is still
00:28:43.259 --> 00:28:47.000
kind of weird to just have Nancy there. Yeah,
00:28:47.019 --> 00:28:50.519
I was thinking about that because of your question
00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:53.920
here. And I guess it just doesn't make sense
00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:56.920
for her to be anywhere else. She wouldn't be
00:28:56.920 --> 00:28:59.410
with Alan Hopper. That doesn't make any sense
00:28:59.410 --> 00:29:02.410
at all. That makes less sense than this. Going
00:29:02.410 --> 00:29:05.390
with Steve and the kids only makes sense if you
00:29:05.390 --> 00:29:09.569
think that she and Mike are kind of a collective
00:29:09.569 --> 00:29:13.150
that would be paired up in this instance. Yeah.
00:29:13.170 --> 00:29:15.069
But then that means that she's with Steve and
00:29:15.069 --> 00:29:17.650
not with Jonathan. Right. Which would be weird
00:29:17.650 --> 00:29:19.769
as well. They're very much trying to transition
00:29:19.769 --> 00:29:24.259
her away from Steve to Jonathan. Exactly. I think
00:29:24.259 --> 00:29:26.180
this is really just the only place that Nancy
00:29:26.180 --> 00:29:30.819
somewhat fits in this particular set of plots.
00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:35.160
So sorry, you were just kind of thrown into it.
00:29:35.180 --> 00:29:36.980
Well, I'm like, they write the scene of Steve
00:29:36.980 --> 00:29:38.539
telling her to go, which I think was them being
00:29:38.539 --> 00:29:40.660
like, how do we get Nancy to go with the buyers
00:29:40.660 --> 00:29:43.619
and have buy -in from the audience? And it's
00:29:43.619 --> 00:29:45.759
a little contrived, but because we get that awesome
00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:49.660
babysitter line, I'm okay with it. Yeah. Yeah.
00:29:49.940 --> 00:29:52.990
I would agree. I would agree. And then. What
00:29:52.990 --> 00:29:57.109
we also have that I was realizing more of just
00:29:57.109 --> 00:30:02.329
the depth of it. So Steve and Dustin. Steve becomes
00:30:02.329 --> 00:30:06.470
the sibling that Dustin doesn't have. Everyone
00:30:06.470 --> 00:30:11.609
else has at least one sibling. And except for
00:30:11.609 --> 00:30:16.690
Lucas, nobody's the oldest as well. So Will's
00:30:16.690 --> 00:30:19.509
the younger brother. Mike's the younger brother.
00:30:20.130 --> 00:30:24.220
Then... Dustin is an only child, and then Lucas
00:30:24.220 --> 00:30:26.119
is the older brother. Without a dad. And he's
00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:28.680
without a dad. Without a dad. Yeah. Yeah, so
00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:32.960
Dustin doesn't have a dad. You know, Will doesn't
00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:37.859
really either. Yeah. Not a present one. He's
00:30:37.859 --> 00:30:41.480
got Jonathan as dad brother. Brother. Right.
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:43.740
If you would. Yeah, so Jonathan is filling kind
00:30:43.740 --> 00:30:46.799
of both of those roles for him. But Dustin doesn't
00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:52.059
have a male figure in his life. Or a sibling
00:30:52.059 --> 00:30:56.039
in his life at all, which is partially why I
00:30:56.039 --> 00:30:58.700
think he's so attached to his friends and why
00:30:58.700 --> 00:31:03.220
season three hits him so hard because he's not
00:31:03.220 --> 00:31:07.079
with them anymore. And he doesn't have anybody
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:09.740
really to fall back on. And Steve really steps
00:31:09.740 --> 00:31:14.339
into that role of being that brother, that dad
00:31:14.339 --> 00:31:18.079
figure, all of the above that he just doesn't
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:24.450
have. And I'm like, my... My baby boy. My boy.
00:31:27.369 --> 00:31:34.289
Sorry for everybody who just had to listen through
00:31:34.289 --> 00:31:40.589
that. My apologies. Anyway, I just, it really
00:31:40.589 --> 00:31:44.109
hit me on this watch through. Just how much he
00:31:44.109 --> 00:31:46.980
is. How much they are forming that relationship
00:31:46.980 --> 00:31:49.539
and that bond. Which is great. And what a great
00:31:49.539 --> 00:31:51.619
moment for Dustin to be like, hey man, you don't
00:31:51.619 --> 00:31:54.119
understand how the party's going to work. You
00:31:54.119 --> 00:31:56.660
have to be a good party member and we need protection.
00:31:57.019 --> 00:31:59.480
Which is essentially Steve's initiation into
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:01.819
this party. Again, without Mike's permission.
00:32:02.380 --> 00:32:04.880
But nobody needs to have Mike's permission because
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:09.559
Mike sucks! And also, this is a democracy. Yeah.
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:14.480
Another thing that I really... thought of on
00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:18.660
this watch through because I had thought this
00:32:18.660 --> 00:32:23.279
a little bit in the past, but when Elle is closing
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:26.240
the gate, she's focusing with all of her might
00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:29.359
and she's doing the hand outstretched and everything.
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:32.619
And then she does the two hands. I just kept
00:32:32.619 --> 00:32:36.680
waiting for Elle to tap into love instead of
00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:39.039
hate here. I feel like I said this in the last
00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:43.910
episode too, but it really hit me. in this moment
00:32:43.910 --> 00:32:48.289
because I feel like it may be a conditioned cliche
00:32:48.289 --> 00:32:52.410
response to other media, whatever, but it did
00:32:52.410 --> 00:32:55.349
really feel like a good moment to go from upsetting
00:32:55.349 --> 00:32:58.750
memories of whatever is going on in her life
00:32:58.750 --> 00:33:03.430
to then seeing, you know, Hop, Mike's face, smiling.
00:33:03.430 --> 00:33:06.609
You wanted your expected patronum. You wanted
00:33:06.609 --> 00:33:10.390
your patronus. I did. I really did. And we don't
00:33:10.390 --> 00:33:13.809
get that here. And I'm not sure if I'm happy
00:33:13.809 --> 00:33:16.549
that we don't get it because it's not the same
00:33:16.549 --> 00:33:21.829
as other things. Or if I'm upset because it feels
00:33:21.829 --> 00:33:23.849
as though it would have been right in the moment.
00:33:24.809 --> 00:33:29.089
So I'm not sure. It doesn't seem to me... I have
00:33:29.089 --> 00:33:35.049
a hard time with Elle's two hands thing. Because
00:33:35.049 --> 00:33:39.579
it... What is she finding more horrible memories
00:33:39.579 --> 00:33:43.900
from her time? What is she tapping into to get
00:33:43.900 --> 00:33:50.319
more power? We need more. More power. Unlimited
00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:58.279
power. Unlimited power. Yeah. Okay. Where is
00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:02.059
she getting it from? It felt like that transition
00:34:02.059 --> 00:34:05.240
was missing for me. And if we go from hate to
00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:07.359
love. Yeah, yeah. You've got it. You have tapped
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:09.599
into a wonderful, weird little thing. We've been
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:11.440
talking about Elle's powers so much in every
00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:13.500
episode, being like, how does this really work?
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:16.760
And this is a huge moment, because we have only
00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:20.019
ever seen Elle use powers with hate, with fury,
00:34:20.260 --> 00:34:24.199
with anger. And I think this is why people are
00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:26.619
talking about, like, is Elle going to be turned
00:34:26.619 --> 00:34:29.739
dark and need to be killed in season five? And,
00:34:29.739 --> 00:34:31.780
you know, is Vector going to get, you know, killed
00:34:31.780 --> 00:34:34.139
halfway through is the mid -season finale. And
00:34:34.139 --> 00:34:36.659
then Elle becomes the real enemy because she's
00:34:36.659 --> 00:34:38.840
the one using hatred. Or are we going to have
00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:42.300
a switch over to love? So that's one thing. But
00:34:42.300 --> 00:34:44.059
the other thing, too, is, like, to your point,
00:34:44.139 --> 00:34:48.280
is she, like, hating more when the second hand
00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:50.679
comes out? Or is she just realizing then that,
00:34:50.699 --> 00:34:53.800
like, the second hand helps with the psychic
00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:55.780
movement? That there's a link between, like,
00:34:55.840 --> 00:34:59.099
amount of physical effort exerted? To the psychic?
00:34:59.219 --> 00:35:05.219
It's really unclear. Go for it. I'm just thinking
00:35:05.219 --> 00:35:10.000
now, potentially, it could be a psychosomatic
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:14.239
thing. Yeah. Where she's not actually drawing
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:19.900
any more power. She's just so exhausted by that
00:35:19.900 --> 00:35:23.820
point. that she has to do something to continue
00:35:23.820 --> 00:35:27.539
to push that power through. Like trying to hit
00:35:27.539 --> 00:35:31.039
your second wind. Exactly. When she hits that
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:33.239
second handout, it's not like the gate starts
00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:36.320
closing faster or anything like that. It just
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:40.260
continues to close. So I almost feel like it
00:35:40.260 --> 00:35:44.539
is that physical representation of the pushing
00:35:44.539 --> 00:35:49.599
through of the exhaustion and everything. Yeah,
00:35:49.699 --> 00:35:53.960
I just think it's an odd thing because then it
00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:56.199
also does prompt the whole levitation situation,
00:35:56.420 --> 00:36:02.639
which could again be she's just focusing so hard
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:08.099
and really pushing through her limits, which
00:36:08.099 --> 00:36:20.630
also causes a physical reaction. that is also
00:36:20.630 --> 00:36:24.889
now moving through her. I will say also, this
00:36:24.889 --> 00:36:27.690
whole secondhand thing, I just can't help but
00:36:27.690 --> 00:36:31.050
laugh of it because it's just such a silly gimmick
00:36:31.050 --> 00:36:33.889
to be like, there's always more power behind
00:36:33.889 --> 00:36:37.349
what's going on. So there's this awesome Family
00:36:37.349 --> 00:36:39.909
Guy bit where they're making fun of Star Trek
00:36:39.909 --> 00:36:43.769
and they're trying to outrun something in Family
00:36:43.769 --> 00:36:46.130
Guy style. They switch over to the characters.
00:36:47.789 --> 00:36:50.570
Kirk is like, Scotty, we need more power. And
00:36:50.570 --> 00:36:52.750
Scotty's like, I'm literally giving it all she's
00:36:52.750 --> 00:36:55.829
got, Captain. Except in a Scottish accent. And
00:36:55.829 --> 00:36:58.889
then Scotty rings back in. He's like, actually,
00:36:58.929 --> 00:37:01.269
Captain, I just realized that the lever, I've
00:37:01.269 --> 00:37:03.309
only been pushing it halfway. Like, it can go
00:37:03.309 --> 00:37:06.869
all the way up. And it's like, oh, okay, great,
00:37:06.949 --> 00:37:09.789
Scotty. That's awesome. And then Scotty calls
00:37:09.789 --> 00:37:12.309
back in. What is it, Scotty? I'm so sorry, Captain.
00:37:12.909 --> 00:37:15.369
I just realized there's a whole nother lever
00:37:15.369 --> 00:37:18.210
that you can push that's right next to it to
00:37:18.210 --> 00:37:20.630
make it go double the speed that we're going
00:37:20.630 --> 00:37:22.929
now. That's great. Captain, I just, I really
00:37:22.929 --> 00:37:24.530
want to apologize. It's okay, Scotty. You don't
00:37:24.530 --> 00:37:27.449
know. Derek died because of this. I literally
00:37:27.449 --> 00:37:30.010
told his wife at the funeral, I was giving it
00:37:30.010 --> 00:37:32.329
all she's got, but I wasn't. I wasn't giving
00:37:32.329 --> 00:37:33.929
it all she's got. And that's kind of what this
00:37:33.929 --> 00:37:36.730
feels like to me, where it's like, oh, L, you
00:37:36.730 --> 00:37:39.369
didn't realize that your second arm was double
00:37:39.369 --> 00:37:50.010
the power. What the heck? Okay, Sierra, I have
00:37:50.010 --> 00:37:54.030
a contravency. Contravency, you say? A contravency.
00:37:54.610 --> 00:37:58.210
Wow. You will remember that beginning of the
00:37:58.210 --> 00:38:01.570
season was a great Halloween episode. Yes. And
00:38:01.570 --> 00:38:04.630
that not very many days have transpired by the
00:38:04.630 --> 00:38:06.130
time we get to the closing of the gate. You will
00:38:06.130 --> 00:38:08.929
agree? Yes. And then we have one month later.
00:38:09.190 --> 00:38:12.719
It comes up on the screen. Am I wrong? No, you
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:16.780
are not wrong. Which means it's December in Indiana,
00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:21.659
and they're about to have the snowball, or whatever
00:38:21.659 --> 00:38:24.599
it's called. Everyone needs to go back and watch
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:30.059
this. When Hawkins Lab closes, there are way
00:38:30.059 --> 00:38:36.019
too many green leaves everywhere. What were they
00:38:36.019 --> 00:38:39.869
thinking? Why did they shoot it like this? It's
00:38:39.869 --> 00:38:43.070
winter! It's Christmas! It's the winter dance!
00:38:43.250 --> 00:38:46.969
It's, like, full blaring spring! Like, those
00:38:46.969 --> 00:38:50.510
are happy, gorgeous trees whose leaves have just
00:38:50.510 --> 00:38:54.269
stretched out. I do not understand why they did
00:38:54.269 --> 00:38:58.469
this. I just remember you texting me that, and
00:38:58.469 --> 00:39:08.289
I just lost it. It's too green! Why? Why is it
00:39:08.289 --> 00:39:11.170
green? Any of my like, this is really stupid
00:39:11.170 --> 00:39:15.349
or wait, this is in this. This was the mixture
00:39:15.349 --> 00:39:19.110
of those two. Oh my gosh. So funny. It was so
00:39:19.110 --> 00:39:25.309
stupid. But it's also awkward school dance time.
00:39:25.449 --> 00:39:31.809
Yes. Which just, I love it. The school dances
00:39:31.809 --> 00:39:36.409
in media, in real life. Always have been and
00:39:36.409 --> 00:39:41.409
always will be a universal bizarre mix of emotions
00:39:41.409 --> 00:39:51.230
and weird teenage craziness and hormones or lack
00:39:51.230 --> 00:39:58.329
thereof or awkwardness that abounds. I don't
00:39:58.329 --> 00:40:00.829
think there will ever be a middle school dance.
00:40:01.630 --> 00:40:04.070
That goes off without a hitch for everybody.
00:40:06.050 --> 00:40:10.710
And isn't just so awkward. I want to say. Don't
00:40:10.710 --> 00:40:12.969
get me wrong. I had great times at middle school
00:40:12.969 --> 00:40:15.309
dances. Terrible time for me. They're all awkward.
00:40:15.489 --> 00:40:17.650
They're terrible. They're all awkward. They're
00:40:17.650 --> 00:40:23.269
super terrible. I will say, Dustin, what an immaculately
00:40:23.269 --> 00:40:27.389
courageous human being. So good. He just, like,
00:40:27.510 --> 00:40:31.409
I could have never. asked three girls in a row
00:40:31.409 --> 00:40:35.070
with that level of rejection it was one and done
00:40:35.070 --> 00:40:38.150
like turn me to dust i'm and sweep me out the
00:40:38.150 --> 00:40:41.610
door i'm dead yeah with those when those two
00:40:41.610 --> 00:40:43.929
girls just like look at him give them that like
00:40:43.929 --> 00:40:47.389
look and then back now the heck out of there
00:40:47.389 --> 00:40:51.130
i was like nope what cruelty call cps they're
00:40:51.130 --> 00:40:54.710
not even the the parents this is cruelty to a
00:40:54.710 --> 00:40:58.559
minor yeah kids are mean In case you needed a
00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:03.199
reminder, teenagers are mean and they suck. Yeah.
00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:07.300
Oh my gosh. Okay, but speaking of somebody who's
00:41:07.300 --> 00:41:09.900
not that mean, Nancy, is she not the best here?
00:41:10.340 --> 00:41:13.920
She's pretty great. Like, seeing Dustin just
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:17.039
look absolutely like a puddle in his wonderful
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:19.320
hair, in his great suit, and she just goes over
00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:20.880
and she's like, let's dance. And then all of
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:22.460
these girls that are around Dustin's age are
00:41:22.460 --> 00:41:27.349
like, Nancy Wheeler. gorgeous goodness extraordinaire
00:41:27.349 --> 00:41:32.789
of hawkins is dancing with dusty buns craziness
00:41:32.789 --> 00:41:34.889
and then he gets the street credit and it's all
00:41:34.889 --> 00:41:36.869
good and also what a sweet line when she's like
00:41:36.869 --> 00:41:39.369
you know of all my brother's friends you're my
00:41:39.369 --> 00:41:42.690
favorite so cute and also like i fast forward
00:41:42.690 --> 00:41:45.889
to when they're like 32 and 30 and they get married
00:41:45.889 --> 00:41:48.909
because nancy has black widowed both steve and
00:41:48.909 --> 00:41:51.469
jonathan uh watch out dustin she's after you
00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:58.300
You don't always have to face down a horde of
00:41:58.300 --> 00:42:01.940
angry soldiers by yourself. Buckle up, Schmisseners.
00:42:01.980 --> 00:42:06.760
It is time for our Sansa is smarter than Jon
00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:10.760
category for what is the most important character
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:15.019
moment this episode. We've talked about the important
00:42:15.019 --> 00:42:18.159
character moments. We have. It's time to determine
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:22.340
the most important. Yeah. My argument, Hopper.
00:42:22.889 --> 00:42:25.769
Fessing up with Eleven, explaining his feelings,
00:42:26.130 --> 00:42:31.110
detailing his emotions, his whole thought process,
00:42:31.170 --> 00:42:36.329
and subconscious thought processes. What an amazing
00:42:36.329 --> 00:42:40.369
whole situation that he has put himself in. I
00:42:40.369 --> 00:42:43.530
love it. It's great. It also doesn't last very
00:42:43.530 --> 00:42:45.949
long. And this is the reason why I think my choice
00:42:45.949 --> 00:42:49.909
is the right one. Because Hopper starts off the
00:42:49.909 --> 00:42:52.519
next season. Not knowing how to do any of the
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:56.199
things that he just did in this car. He is flabbergasted
00:42:56.199 --> 00:42:58.460
at the ability to create boundaries and talk
00:42:58.460 --> 00:43:00.320
about emotions and do all of these things that
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:03.440
he literally just did. He's in the midst in this
00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:05.239
episode of having a heart to heart. And then
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:07.679
Joyce is like, you should have a heart to heart
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:09.639
in episode one of season three. And he goes,
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:13.360
what's a heart to heart? What are you talking
00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:17.500
about? You just had one a couple months ago.
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:21.519
Like six months ago. uh and so that's why i believe
00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:26.280
that my pick of steve saying no i'm leading give
00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:29.380
me the torch we're going through this tunnels
00:43:29.380 --> 00:43:31.579
with me in front and i'm making sure all of you
00:43:31.579 --> 00:43:33.940
stay safe and then when they do get to the exit
00:43:33.940 --> 00:43:36.440
the fact that he is the one boosting everybody
00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:38.039
out of there and doesn't try and save himself
00:43:39.259 --> 00:43:41.719
solidifying steve's complete character growth
00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:44.400
development and giving us the steve that does
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:46.780
actually remain consistent for the next two seasons
00:43:46.780 --> 00:43:50.960
is uh is the winner here it you you cannot sway
00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:57.039
me fiend until he's drugged up in a movie theater
00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:01.099
shush that's not his fault that's really not
00:44:01.099 --> 00:44:10.969
those darn ruskies I'll give it to Steve. I will.
00:44:11.230 --> 00:44:14.110
I shall capitulate. Hopper gets a lot of great
00:44:14.110 --> 00:44:17.670
stuff and Steve's is so good in this one. That's
00:44:17.670 --> 00:44:19.929
true. I know you just lost that argument and
00:44:19.929 --> 00:44:23.449
that hand, Sierra. But listen up. For it's the
00:44:23.449 --> 00:44:28.409
I am your father category for most iconic character
00:44:28.409 --> 00:44:32.489
moment. So, we haven't talked that much about
00:44:32.489 --> 00:44:35.230
it in this episode. For most iconic character
00:44:35.230 --> 00:44:40.519
moment, Sierra. How is it not Billy and Mrs.
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:45.980
Wheeler? For who? For Billy or for Mrs. Wheeler?
00:44:46.820 --> 00:44:51.400
For either. I would argue Mrs. Wheeler more than
00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:53.440
anybody because all we've seen her is be like
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:56.679
in this sort of loveless marriage with not knowing
00:44:56.679 --> 00:45:00.730
where the kids are and just mad or sad or. And
00:45:00.730 --> 00:45:04.170
then here she is in this bathtub reading who's
00:45:04.170 --> 00:45:06.909
basically Billy Hargrove on the cover of her
00:45:06.909 --> 00:45:10.889
romance book. And then, you know, is it Ted?
00:45:11.070 --> 00:45:13.909
Ted won't get the door. He's asleep. And so she
00:45:13.909 --> 00:45:15.389
has to put on a robe and come down. She's all
00:45:15.389 --> 00:45:20.190
dolled out. And then there's Billy ready to seduce
00:45:20.190 --> 00:45:22.969
her, which we do not advocate for. They are minors
00:45:22.969 --> 00:45:25.889
and majors in this case, apparently. Minors and
00:45:25.889 --> 00:45:30.139
adults. But it's just such an iconic scene in
00:45:30.139 --> 00:45:32.079
this entire thing. It's like one of the things
00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:34.840
that I remember most from this season. Really?
00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:37.820
Yeah, absolutely. Anytime I think of Billy and
00:45:37.820 --> 00:45:40.400
Mrs. Wheeler, I think of next season. Yes, I
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:43.219
totally get that. But I went into season three
00:45:43.219 --> 00:45:45.260
being like, I'm so excited for this weird little
00:45:45.260 --> 00:45:49.599
side story of Billy and Mrs. Wheeler. And then,
00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:53.570
of course, it doesn't go anywhere. But I do like
00:45:53.570 --> 00:45:55.929
it. Okay, so it's probably not Billy and Mrs.
00:45:56.010 --> 00:45:58.329
Weaver. It's probably actually because of what
00:45:58.329 --> 00:46:00.869
we've talked about earlier, Dustin and Dart's
00:46:00.869 --> 00:46:02.929
Three Musketeers moment, because the implication
00:46:02.929 --> 00:46:07.250
of a demo What's It Not Being Evil is just so
00:46:07.250 --> 00:46:11.130
huge. Yeah, I also, I get behind this for sure,
00:46:11.210 --> 00:46:14.869
because it's also a really nice courageous moment
00:46:14.869 --> 00:46:18.710
for Dustin, which carries forward into the next
00:46:18.710 --> 00:46:21.900
season especially. Of him kind of leading the
00:46:21.900 --> 00:46:24.800
charge and doing investigating all on his own
00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:27.659
and all of those things. And so I feel like this
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is a really nice moment of courage for him to
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approach Dart, not knowing what's going to happen.
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Is the bond strong enough? We don't know. You
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:43.500
know, an interdimensional creature or an alternate
00:46:43.500 --> 00:46:47.570
dimension creature. accepting the chocolate you're
00:46:47.570 --> 00:46:54.090
giving yeah it is a pretty far stretch so and
00:46:54.090 --> 00:46:59.789
it works it works but nobody would have bet on
00:46:59.789 --> 00:47:03.550
it nope so i think it's a really nice just dustin
00:47:03.550 --> 00:47:07.590
moment in general 100 agreed everybody sit down
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it's time for our i am iron man Most iconic and
00:47:13.820 --> 00:47:19.260
most important scene category. It's Eleven rising
00:47:19.260 --> 00:47:21.599
into the air while closing the gate. There's
00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:24.820
nothing else. It's that. It's, again, that iconic
00:47:24.820 --> 00:47:30.099
moment of her rising with the huge red gate while
00:47:30.099 --> 00:47:33.519
she's cast in shadows. It's awesome. It's cinematic.
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It's what it is. It's the winner. Certainly.
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Which means that we can just crack open our encyclopedia
00:47:40.530 --> 00:47:42.869
because it's time for, as Elijah Wood once said,
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no, how could we have known category where we
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discuss the most important information disseminated
00:47:49.690 --> 00:47:51.989
to the fandom in this episode, which I think
00:47:51.989 --> 00:47:55.690
is just like hammering down on Eleven's powers
00:47:55.690 --> 00:47:59.489
are emotions based. And it's not just like turned
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up by emotions. They are emotions based. It's
00:48:02.849 --> 00:48:05.329
sort of like there's not really a system of like
00:48:05.329 --> 00:48:09.260
you. You have to have a circle drawn in the sand
00:48:09.260 --> 00:48:12.519
and stars, or you need to constantly eat, like,
00:48:12.519 --> 00:48:14.619
this magical thing or draw on the power of these
00:48:14.619 --> 00:48:17.159
beasts over here. Like, the magical system for
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:19.260
her powers is that they are emotions -based,
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and we know she gets physically drained by that.
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And so to tap into her emotions in order to do
00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:28.480
sensory deprivation, like, all of that, it all
00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:30.199
comes into a neat little package here where it's
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like, okay, the strength is fueled by emotions,
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specifically strong. And so I think back to the
00:48:37.510 --> 00:48:41.949
flashback of 8 basically saying, hate, let it
00:48:41.949 --> 00:48:45.670
flow through you, which is actually confirming
00:48:45.670 --> 00:48:47.809
Eleven's telekinesis isn't a different part of
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her, but directly intertwined to her brainwaves
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and emotions. No notes. No notes. Excellent.
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No notes. It really is the most important thing
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going into going. kind of prepping us for season
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five I think it's definitely the most important
00:49:08.389 --> 00:49:11.610
information that we get because we don't actually
00:49:11.610 --> 00:49:14.489
get a lot of stuff happens in this episode but
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there's not a lot of new or developing information
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besides the fact that potentially the shadow
00:49:21.889 --> 00:49:25.230
monster is not within the gate because it came
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out of will and we didn't see it again and also
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the L's powers are emotions so I think those
00:49:33.059 --> 00:49:36.619
are really the only two topics to discuss. Big
00:49:36.619 --> 00:49:38.380
moments. And also, it's interesting, too, because
00:49:38.380 --> 00:49:41.380
at the end of season three, we'll see Elle lose
00:49:41.380 --> 00:49:43.980
powers in what seems to be a physical injury
00:49:43.980 --> 00:49:46.139
problem. And then they kind of write themselves
00:49:46.139 --> 00:49:48.519
into a corner into season four, trying to explain
00:49:48.519 --> 00:49:52.219
how actually it is an emotions problem. So, that's
00:49:52.219 --> 00:49:53.920
an interesting component of what's coming up.
00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:55.940
And then in terms of season five, like you're
00:49:55.940 --> 00:49:58.739
saying, with the monster not being... In the
00:49:58.739 --> 00:50:01.440
gate, which is why season three does its whole
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thing. Very interesting here to note how similar
00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:07.860
it is to Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them.
00:50:09.739 --> 00:50:13.400
Where you, and this is a spoiler, so skip the
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next ten seconds if you don't want to hear it.
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:18.360
Where, like, the Obscurus in the first one just,
00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:20.860
like, survives somehow and is floating in the
00:50:20.860 --> 00:50:24.039
background and nobody notices. And then he's
00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:27.590
just in the second movie. So, that's fun. Keep
00:50:27.590 --> 00:50:30.889
your horses safe. It's the I'm going to make
00:50:30.889 --> 00:50:33.989
him an offer he can't refuse category of best
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lines. One day I will say it exactly like it's
00:50:37.889 --> 00:50:41.349
said in The Godfather and everyone will be shocked.
00:50:41.449 --> 00:50:43.730
But until then, you will enjoy my many voices
00:50:43.730 --> 00:50:45.670
because I will say it differently every single
00:50:45.670 --> 00:50:51.320
time. It's just who I am. Here it is. I may be
00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:53.840
a shitty boyfriend, but turns out I'm actually
00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:56.260
a damn good babysitter. Yep, it's great. No notes.
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Once again. Steve the Hare Harrington for the
00:50:58.900 --> 00:51:02.380
win. 100%. Best line of the episode. One of the
00:51:02.380 --> 00:51:06.300
best lines of the series. Incredible. Yep. Dust
00:51:06.300 --> 00:51:08.559
off that card deck and get ready to shuffle.
00:51:09.059 --> 00:51:14.300
It's our Joker category. For who is the MVP of
00:51:14.300 --> 00:51:18.480
this episode? It's Steve. It's Steve the Hare
00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:21.900
Harrington. And he keeps all the babies safe.
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:26.019
He leads the mission. He's the one that throws
00:51:26.019 --> 00:51:29.960
the stupid lighter on the flames and gets Hopper
00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:32.960
and Elle safe to close the gate. Like, without
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:36.760
Steve, they do nothing. And also kind of with
00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:39.159
Steve, they almost don't do nothing. But when
00:51:39.159 --> 00:51:41.719
he gets on board... He does his job and he does
00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:43.880
his job well. He's got the best line. He's got
00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:46.920
the best sort of motivation. He, it's just, it's
00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:48.500
great. I love everything to do with Steve in
00:51:48.500 --> 00:51:52.360
this episode. Yes. I seconded, I don't even have
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:55.119
an honorable mention for this one. I think it's
00:51:55.119 --> 00:51:57.500
out and out Steve. It's really interesting how
00:51:57.500 --> 00:51:58.920
that happened in this episode because there are
00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:01.800
great moments for Joyce and Will and Nancy and
00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:04.039
Jonathan. Like they have a great, they have awesome
00:52:04.039 --> 00:52:07.460
acting moments and great scenes. Elle and Hopper
00:52:07.460 --> 00:52:10.860
have awesome like heart to heart. And then these
00:52:10.860 --> 00:52:13.500
really cool moments. But, like, the charisma
00:52:13.500 --> 00:52:16.659
that Steve has, especially with Dustin, but in
00:52:16.659 --> 00:52:20.400
this role, his acting is just so phenomenal in
00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:23.159
a way that elevates his character for this episode.
00:52:23.260 --> 00:52:25.780
And even though they're not the main story, he's
00:52:25.780 --> 00:52:28.420
by far the best part of this episode. Oh, yeah.
00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:31.139
Definitely. Really comes out as the star. Yeah.
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He does. We dying over there? Pound for pound.
00:52:38.409 --> 00:52:45.550
Is it Sam? Okay. Okay. He's in this episode for
00:52:45.550 --> 00:52:48.829
approximately 30 seconds. Oh, Sierra, I love
00:52:48.829 --> 00:52:50.630
this. I love you bringing in a pound for pound
00:52:50.630 --> 00:52:54.090
argument. Okay. First of all, his name's Sam,
00:52:54.230 --> 00:52:56.909
so I will give him already a leg up. Because
00:52:56.909 --> 00:52:59.630
there are not that many Sams in the fictional
00:52:59.630 --> 00:53:03.329
universe that I'm, like, super behind. So, okay.
00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:06.320
And he also kind of fits into like the stereotypical
00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:09.019
Sam where it's like Samwise Gamgee and the Sam
00:53:09.019 --> 00:53:10.699
and like other ones that it's like, yeah, we're
00:53:10.699 --> 00:53:15.679
all portly short people. But. Not Sam Winchester.
00:53:15.780 --> 00:53:20.239
That's so true. That's so true. And not Sam Obasanya
00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:25.719
either from Ted Lasso. But listen, pound for
00:53:25.719 --> 00:53:27.199
pound, you're right. He's in the episodes for
00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:30.900
like maybe three minutes total. He's injured,
00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:35.420
but he lives. He lives a demo dog when so many
00:53:35.420 --> 00:53:38.199
other people haven't. He's handed a gun. He laughs
00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:42.880
about it. And then he gets Hopper and Elle the
00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:44.860
birth certificate. You're so right. This is a
00:53:44.860 --> 00:53:47.079
pound for pound for the amount of minutes that
00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:52.179
he's in this episode. He works. He works. I'm
00:53:52.179 --> 00:53:54.519
just saying. He also portion controls in this
00:53:54.519 --> 00:54:01.019
episode. He. He. Is a great man for the three
00:54:01.019 --> 00:54:04.980
minutes that he is on screen. He makes the most
00:54:04.980 --> 00:54:08.639
of every second. There is no wasted time with
00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:11.320
this man. In all honesty, that actor really does
00:54:11.320 --> 00:54:14.539
pull, and not in a bad way, he really does draw
00:54:14.539 --> 00:54:17.920
attention and really kills in every scene that
00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:21.699
he's in in this season. He really does. Just
00:54:21.699 --> 00:54:24.360
saying. You don't have me quite so convinced,
00:54:24.539 --> 00:54:28.289
but man, it's close. Yeah. He doesn't have to
00:54:28.289 --> 00:54:31.530
be the MVP. He's the pound -for -pound MVP. There's
00:54:31.530 --> 00:54:33.670
no argument when it comes to that kind of going.
00:54:33.670 --> 00:54:35.309
Pound -for -pound, no. Oh, my gosh. Pound -for
00:54:35.309 --> 00:54:38.389
-pound MVP. But he's, like, I'm almost tempted
00:54:38.389 --> 00:54:43.269
to call him the actual MVP. Yes. I'm so happy
00:54:43.269 --> 00:54:46.269
right now. Well done. Thank you. Usually that's
00:54:46.269 --> 00:54:47.989
my corner. Thank you, thank you. Well done. I
00:54:47.989 --> 00:54:51.570
know. Okay, moving on. Occasionally a brainwave.
00:54:54.550 --> 00:54:59.059
Clean your... evil air and get ready for our
00:54:59.059 --> 00:55:05.219
i was the turkey all along category four what
00:55:05.219 --> 00:55:07.840
is the biggest takeaway viewers should leave
00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:11.699
with in preparation for season five my biggest
00:55:11.699 --> 00:55:14.320
takeaway fire is your friend when it comes to
00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:18.559
the upside down it sounds like a joke however
00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:22.940
it's really not It helps in season three, too.
00:55:23.239 --> 00:55:26.380
It does. Man, why don't they take... When Max
00:55:26.380 --> 00:55:28.719
is getting hunted by Vecna, why doesn't she bring
00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:32.260
fire with her? They know it works. We will...
00:55:32.260 --> 00:55:34.420
The world will never know. The world will never
00:55:34.420 --> 00:55:37.880
know. Okay. Because she brings her Walkman with
00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:39.940
her. Anyways, we'll get there when we get to
00:55:39.940 --> 00:55:44.500
season four. The one that I have in here is that
00:55:44.500 --> 00:55:48.840
it's 100 % that Vecna took Will in season one.
00:55:49.340 --> 00:55:54.050
There's an... Awesome little moment where when
00:55:54.050 --> 00:55:56.570
Eleven uses two hands and starts to levitate,
00:55:56.750 --> 00:56:00.650
the entire electromagnetic field in Hawkins changes.
00:56:01.050 --> 00:56:05.449
And it's when the same exact sound of light flickering
00:56:05.449 --> 00:56:09.829
in the buyer's house happens. That happens in
00:56:09.829 --> 00:56:12.269
the buyer's shed when Will is hiding in there
00:56:12.269 --> 00:56:15.329
at the beginning of season one. That's not Demogorgon
00:56:15.329 --> 00:56:18.369
stuff. That's not what Demogorgons can do. Now,
00:56:18.369 --> 00:56:20.469
there is some electricity outages and stuff when
00:56:20.469 --> 00:56:23.369
weird stuff is happening. And, like, clearly
00:56:23.369 --> 00:56:26.369
you can interact with lights to attract monsters
00:56:26.369 --> 00:56:31.250
and attract people. But that sound, I think,
00:56:31.250 --> 00:56:33.809
is, to me, one of the biggest proofs that Vecna
00:56:33.809 --> 00:56:37.889
took Will in Season 1. So there we go. I like
00:56:37.889 --> 00:56:39.969
it. Thank you. Let's keep building that folder.
00:56:40.190 --> 00:56:44.489
Yeah, absolutely. You are such a person that
00:56:44.489 --> 00:56:50.039
works for a financial company. Let's keep building
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:52.199
that folder. What other business jargon you got
00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:56.820
for me? No, my next one was going to be, I see
00:56:56.820 --> 00:56:58.739
you have a cork board in the background there.
00:56:58.780 --> 00:57:02.039
Get out your red string. Absolutely. I am 100
00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:06.420
% Charlie Day when it comes to this. Okay, for
00:57:06.420 --> 00:57:09.900
today's public service announcement, please note
00:57:09.900 --> 00:57:13.659
all eligible middle schoolers and high schoolers,
00:57:13.719 --> 00:57:18.739
always have a backup option for a date. No one
00:57:18.739 --> 00:57:22.519
wants to see you alone at a dance and throw an
00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:25.000
older sister pity party for your little twerp's
00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:27.699
brother's friend. Get yourself a backup option
00:57:27.699 --> 00:57:30.199
and make sure you come with a date to the dance.
00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:35.480
End of PSA. And on that lovely note, thank you
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listener schmissners for listening to this episode
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Don't forget to tip your middle school chaperones.
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And fare thee well! Whatever our outro is, it
00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:19.320
goes right here. This sounds like a Christian
00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:27.440
science hymn. Onward, klishners, mishners, marching
00:58:27.440 --> 00:58:35.400
to nerd out. With the hand of Vecna going on
00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:41.210
before. Fandom Schmandum was created by Sam Williams
00:58:41.210 --> 00:58:44.130
and Ciara Obermark. The show is produced by Aurelia
00:58:44.130 --> 00:58:47.309
Lieb. The editor is Brittany Fisher. The music
00:58:47.309 --> 00:59:08.690
is by Jeremiah Alves. Fandom, fandom, fandom,
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fandom. That's me recording. Britt. Britt. Britt.
00:59:24.510 --> 00:59:26.909
Britt. Britt. Oh, I'm so sorry, Britt. That's
00:59:26.909 --> 00:59:28.670
going to look like Sierra and I sunk up like
00:59:28.670 --> 00:59:33.769
85 ,000 different times. Okay, here we go. Oh,
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well. Fandom. Fandom. Fandom. Yo. Yo. Yo. Fandom.
00:59:52.619 --> 00:59:55.460
You've never had so many fandoms. Fandom. Fandom.
00:59:55.579 --> 01:00:03.110
Fandom. Great. Clap for me, Sierra. Send me into
01:00:03.110 --> 01:00:09.110
the void with your spanky hands. Send me into
01:00:09.110 --> 01:00:15.090
the shadow realm. Yes? No? Okay. Yes, I loved
01:00:15.090 --> 01:00:18.590
it. I was laughing. Thank you. Thank you. The
01:00:18.590 --> 01:00:23.900
shadow realm. Alright. Spanky hands. Did you
01:00:23.900 --> 01:00:27.760
just realize what I said? No, I just, I tried
01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:30.340
to move on from it, and then I thought about
01:00:30.340 --> 01:00:31.559
it again. And then you got pulled back in by
01:00:31.559 --> 01:00:36.280
me saying spanky hands? Yes. Yeah. Ring the bells.
01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:39.840
End of round. Steve is 0 for 2 in fights. No,
01:00:39.880 --> 01:00:43.079
no, Sierra. Stop. Wait. It's 0 for 2. It's 0
01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:46.300
for 2 and you can't say 0 for 2. My God. Did
01:00:46.300 --> 01:00:50.820
I say 0? I read it in my head as 0. You said
01:00:50.820 --> 01:00:53.199
0 for 2 and I'm like, no one in the history of
01:00:53.199 --> 01:00:55.179
sports in the English language has ever said
01:00:55.179 --> 01:01:00.840
0 for 2. 0 for 2. Yeah, I know. Okay. And then
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:04.860
Elle realizes she can use two hands to make her
01:01:04.860 --> 01:01:16.719
power double in strength. I know we're in the
01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:18.559
middle of a story recap, but I've got to tell
01:01:18.559 --> 01:01:21.260
you, when I was writing that bit, Sierra, God,
01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:25.920
that really got me. It's so funny. So there's
01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:29.639
this great... Put this at the end, Britt, because
01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:33.480
I really shouldn't interrupt here right now,
01:01:33.579 --> 01:01:42.010
but... Sorry, I'm really... He's crying. I just,
01:01:42.050 --> 01:01:46.210
I really got myself with my own writing on my
01:01:46.210 --> 01:01:54.949
own. Can use two hands. Okay. God, can use two
01:01:54.949 --> 01:02:05.150
hands. Two slappy hands. Two spanky hands. Two
01:02:05.150 --> 01:02:11.269
spanky hands. Okay. Hopper plays sniper against
01:02:11.269 --> 01:02:13.789
the Demi -Dogs, who, Demi -Dogs, it's Demo. I
01:02:13.789 --> 01:02:16.570
keep writing Demi. I didn't know until I was
01:02:16.570 --> 01:02:19.650
reading subtitles it was Demo, to be fair. One
01:02:19.650 --> 01:02:25.949
month later. I gotta do it again. Hold on. Like
01:02:25.949 --> 01:02:30.030
the SpongeBob. Yeah, yeah. One month later. Yes.
01:02:30.250 --> 01:02:33.889
Find your donut holes. It is time for our Knives
01:02:33.889 --> 01:02:42.980
Out category, where we... We didn't fix it. Sleuth.
01:02:42.980 --> 01:02:52.219
It's sleuth. Sleuth. Sleuth. The pause of both
01:02:52.219 --> 01:02:55.980
of us being like, wait, what's the word? The
01:02:55.980 --> 01:02:57.840
like, the like glaze in our eyes. I know it's
01:02:57.840 --> 01:03:00.119
not either of the ones that we wrote. Sleuth?
01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:05.599
Sus? Sleuth? Sleuth. We've been sleuth saying
01:03:05.599 --> 01:03:08.179
this all day. We've been sleuth, sleuth saying,
01:03:08.300 --> 01:03:12.769
sleuth saying. Uh, we've been sleuth -slaying.
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Sleuth -slaying? She wants to go on support.
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Support. Support. Support a moon. Uh, and it's
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- Support him. The, like, movement helps with
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the psychotic movements in some way, shape, or
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form. The psychotic movements. What the f***
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am I talking about? But how is - Oh my gosh.
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Wow. Way too long of a pause. Oh. Is it? Melon.
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Yeah, for real. It's what brings us. It's what
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brings us. It's what brings your hands together
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today. Keep your horses safe because it is time.
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Going back. Sorry. Wow. We're flubbing a lot
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today. Please note, all edgeable. Oh, gosh. All
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edgeable. Nope. Definitely not what I'm trying
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to say. No. And on that lovely note, thank you
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for... Oh, my God. I, like, lost it. I've been
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right there. Thank you for... And I'm done. I
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have hit eject on this sentence. There's an escape
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pod going through there where the Empire's like,
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nah, there's no life forms on board. Definitely
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no brainwaves, I'll tell you that much. Yep.