24: Founder Visibility Amplifies Who You Already Are | Elizabeth Mae Honeycutt

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Can you just introduce yourself to the audience and let us know a little bit about you?
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Hey everybody, I'm Elizabeth Mae Honeycut.
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I was born and raised in Texas.
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And uh yeah, so I have an agency called Luminary Agency, and I am a visibility strategist.
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And so what I do is I help experts, founders, coaches, authors, consultants refine their messaging and close the gaps in their visibility.
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But was that very challenging going back to working for somebody else after having done all of your things on your own?
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No, no, no, no.
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That was fun.
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That was so much fun.
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Because like life is, first of all, so expansive.
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And the most fun thing you can possibly do is learn something new.
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For me.
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Or like, you know, I don't know, develop your physical body and like be able to like do something your body couldn't do before.
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You know, just essentially exposure to new experiences.
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Are you ready for when you say something on Instagram Live or whatever or YouTube?
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Are you ready for somebody to believe you and take action on that and then be responsible for that?
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And if you're not, then you probably shouldn't be saying what you're saying.
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Yeah, I mean, I'll say this.
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I agree with you a thousand percent.
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I think that a lot of people haven't even taken the time.
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They're so busy building.
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I will even say that I've been guilty of it in the past because I'm when I get passionate and I feel like I'm getting downloads, it's just flowing.
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But sometimes you don't actually think about what you're saying.
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And what we don't realize is that what you say has so much power.
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And some people might take that very personally and then actually act on it.
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When you say like kindness and empathy, how do you know, like when you're witnessing a person who is displaying kindness and displays empathy, but it's not real?
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How do you know that?
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There's only one way, and that's time.
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I think there's a second way, but you can't depend on this if you weren't given the gift of discernment and have good intuition.
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Some of us just don't have that.
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I have very strong discernment and good intuition, but that comes from God, in my opinion.
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Okay, so I'm here with Elizabeth Mae Honeycut.
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She is a visibility strategist and founder of Luminary Agency, where she helps founders, entrepreneurs, and thought leaders build visibility with integrity.
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Elizabeth, can you just introduce yourself to the audience and let us know a little bit about you?
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Hey everybody, I'm Elizabeth Mae Honeycut.
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I was born and raised in Texas.
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And uh yeah, so I have an agency called Luminary Agency, and I am a visibility strategist.
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And so what I do is I help experts, founders, coaches, authors, consultants refine their messaging and close the gaps in their visibility.
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Love that.
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I know in the past you were a bit of a publicist, right?
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That's kind of where you came from.
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And I'm just curious, you know, if you can just share a little bit about that, maybe your early days, just kind of the path of how you started, or actually, if you want to even share more about your history in general, that's totally up to you.
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But but I'd like to really learn a little bit more about that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Professionally or personally, or a little mix of both.
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I think that's really up to you.
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What do you want to share with the audience?
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What should they know about you?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Great question.
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Okay, okay, okay.
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All right.
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Well, me, you know, I uh I come from a very, I came from a very dangerous childhood.
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There was quite a bit of character-defining experiences early on in life for me, is how I like to put it.
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And uh so the blessing of those experiences, what I like to tell people to kind of give them a bit of an idea is my father gave me the gift of anger.
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My mother gave me something to be angry about.
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And then I chose what to do with that anger.
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And that I see anger as like, or any emotion, sadness, uh, you know, pain in general, all of these are materials to help us create our reality.
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And so, you know, I was the first person in my family to go to college.
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I graduated college, had to work um full time all the way through that whole experience.
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And my degree was business management and ethics, which was not what I was planning.
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I wanted to be a teacher.
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And I wanted to be a teacher overseas, which I did eventually do that.
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I taught English in Spain at one point.
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But but life led me to, well, so as soon as I graduated college, I started working as a receptionist at a law firm.
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And then, you know, I kind of like I kind of hopped around in the corporate world all the way up until 26.
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I'm 37, so a little over 10 years ago.
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And that hopping around, it was like accounting, receptionist work, payroll, HR.
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I did everything.
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I even worked at Whole Foods down in Austin, Texas.
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That's where they're headquartered.
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And I was on their HR project management team.
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And one thing I found is like no matter where I went, like I was just hungry.
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It's because of that childhood trauma.
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I was hungry for skills, hungry to learn.
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And in that hunger, I think a lot of your audience will uh relate to this.
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That hunger creates a lot of ambition.
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And eventually I launched out.
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I moved to Spain and I became a teacher.
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But during that year where I was just having fun, I think, hanging out with little kids.
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It was oh my God, so amazing.
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That passion for me to have something of my own is it first developed.
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And so when I came back, I launched this like online business teaching English online right before COVID started.
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We could talk about that.
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And then from there, well, in the corporate world, I had a lot of experience doing digital marketing.
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I started off being a copywriter, writing blogs, doing writing the captions, scheduling the posts, creating the posts for their social media.
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So that was something that was already in my wheelhouse.
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And then once I launched out on my own, all those skills, I had to use them on myself.
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And I also was hired by multiple different small startups for a period of like five years and was doing their digital marketing.
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And then, so kind of like to kind of skip ahead, roughly two years ago is whenever I whenever I started working with a large PR agency.
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And uh, and I don't want to name any names, but that was a wonderful experience.
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I wasn't even expecting to get the job.
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One of my friends who'd worked with me before, where I was a copywriter, she found me and she's like, we need you to come in and write our articles and our blogs for these clients.
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And so I did, but just like any entrepreneur who's hungry and just can't settle and can't stop.
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Like, I just went in there and I changed the entire content division and we didn't have any podcasts.
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And so we didn't have we didn't offer that as a service, but our clients were like, we need to be on podcasts.
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Of course, obviously it's PR.
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And so I built out the podcast division, and then by the end of it, I was managing roughly 40, 40 to 50 clients alone, which is way more than any human being should do, which is totally why I burnt out.
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But I learned a lot in the process.
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So that's my professional history.
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And I hope that clearly shares how my personal history feeds into that.
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Yeah, for sure.
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I mean, it's interesting because you, you know, I see so many people that are just amazing at what they do, and then they have this desire over time to kind of get out into the world and do it themselves.
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And I'm really curious, what was that like?
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I know it was a really awesome experience in some ways, but was that very challenging going back to working for somebody else after having done all of your things on your own?
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I mean, obviously you you burnt out a bit and you're kind of doing your own thing now.
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I'm just curious about that because I've always because sometimes, you know, we we build these things and we go out to the world and we deliver them and either maybe they don't hit the way we want to or land, or we find an opportunity and we go back.
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And I always find that to be a like a very difficult thing for an entrepreneur in their heart, you know, working for somebody else or going out and doing it on your own.
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I'm curious what that was like.
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No, no, no, no.
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That was fun.
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That was so much fun because like life is, first of all, so expansive.
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And the most fun thing you can possibly do is learn something new for me.
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Or like, you know, I don't know, develop your physical body and like uh be able to like do something your body couldn't do before.
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You know, just essentially uh exposure to new experiences.
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So that was a fun experience because I got to learn about concepts of visibility.
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And I I went to a the college I went to graduated from was called Dallas Christian College.
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So my I share that because my spiritual, I over over my lifetime, whatever, I've studied many different um versions of spirituality, you know, such as uh Buddhism, esoteric, new age spirituality, Kabalism, Islam, uh what else?
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That's all I can think of at the moment.
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So my spirituality for me is very personal, very and pulls from many different traditions.
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I don't know if you've ever looked into the I Ching or the Tao.
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And those are probably some of my favorite because they're so grounded, but I share this because I enjoyed that environment so much.
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I got to learn from some really intelligent people.
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And I like our clients were incredible human beings and my team, you know, all wonderful people.
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So I'm a collaborator.
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I think that in life that's important to I think working in teams is preferred for me.
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So it was a fun experience.
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I learned a bunch of new stuff and I got to hang out with a bunch of cool people.
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I love that.
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I mean, it's it's usually not the answer I get.
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So I think that's what's so cool about it is that it's unique because a lot of times entrepreneurs are just like they really feel like they've let themselves down and they they fight and struggle with that phase where they had to go back, have a regular job, and then get back out.
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So it's cool to see somebody who has this idea of a more expansive view of the world where like, hey, we're here to learn, we're here to experience.
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It's not just this one kind of single focus all the time.
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Like you had this opportunity, and obviously you you've grown tremendously from it.
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And, you know, I think it probably played quite a bit into how you view visibility in regard to your clients today, I'm sure.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That's such a good observation.
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And it makes me even curious about you a little bit, but I'll be respectful that this is your podcast and you have a direction you're going.
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But in that experience, being in PR, I learned that I learned a lot.
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So I learned a lot about the ethics of visibility because I got to witness people who did not have a following or exposure.
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They didn't have many eyes on them.
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And I got to see who they were before, during, and after.
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And some people, I was just like, oh my gosh, I could like, I'm like, these humans are how they're amazing to be exposed that exposed, to raise that quickly in life and not have it affect your mental psyche or your integrity.
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Because one thing I witnessed was that visibility amplifies what is already inside of you.
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So think about that.
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If you like who you are behind closed doors, it will become so apparent the more visible you become, whenever you are exposed, whenever you become more visible, it will become so apparent who you are.
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And the reality is with today's world that there is somebody out there who's gonna be like, oh, that's amazing, even if it's helpful or not helpful, which helped me to develop a lot of my perspectives.
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Yeah, I mean, no, it makes perfect sense.
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I was just thinking about the exposure piece because you know, so many people will say, Well, I wouldn't do what Donald Trump did, or I wouldn't do what this actor did, or I wouldn't do, and I think that we're all speaking from a bubble, and you don't really get an opportunity to see who you actually are until you're exposed a bit, you know, until you're actually put into a real life situation.
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Like you can have all the opinions you want.
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Like, you know, I was a fighter, right?
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So I was in a cage or I was in the room, I'm like, bro, go jump rope for three minutes and tell me how you do, you know.
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And the point in all that is that a lot of us have never been tested.
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And I think in the PR space, you're you're in real time watching a human being be tested.
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And so, you know, just to give another quick analogy, there's a saying by Jordan Peterson, and he basically says, like, if you're not dangerous, then you're not a good person.
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And what he means by that is like, well, if you're just a good person because you're walking around like, oh, I'm a good person, and you can't harm anybody, then you don't have to choose to not harm people.
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You actually can't.
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And so in this re reference, until you blow up and become famous, and there's actually choices that have to be made, you would never know that or experience it.
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And it really rubs against your integrity.
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You know, I don't know if you remember um The Walking Dead, but that I know I didn't love the show, but the whole thing was these constant moral dilemmas.
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You know, and you talk a lot about integrity and how important it is, you know.
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I mean, I'm just curious because, you know, you said like you I I in the note you sent, you know, like visibility isn't the goal influences, but you also said like visibility with integrity is actually what you're looking for.
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And I'm curious if you want to elaborate on that because these are really touchy subjects.
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And I I just I want to point out to the audience something that bothers me personally is everyone's talking shit all the time on other people, but you have no idea what it's like when you're really in that situation.
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And we all can throw stones, but integrity is very challenging when you actually have to be integrous.
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So yeah, it's it's it's really interesting.
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I'm curious your take because I know it's important to you.
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I'd say that I think that when it comes to personal branding, integrity is something that uh people experience your value system when they come into contact with your brand.
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So we can just land there for a minute.
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I don't think integrity should be hard if you're practicing it behind closed doors when you're alone.
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And I think integrity begins with the thoughts you think in your mind.
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And I think that's the more important message that if I could say to like people just across the world that your peace is your responsibility and that your integrity is your responsibility, and that you're not ready for visibility until you're ready to accept the responsibility of being believed.
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So think about that.
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Think about that.
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Like, I can't help but think about children and the next generation.
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Sorry, not to get like so intense so fast, but it's like it's truth.
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And so I don't really care to be honest.
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And if a lot of times like people are just like creating content for the purpose of getting more views, and I understand that.
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I understand how hard life is, and I get that um there is like a like level of like, I don't know, like ruthlessness or something.
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It's like you gotta, I don't know, I don't know.
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I don't have a good like brain of reference for that.
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But like everything that we say, it's all being recorded.
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It doesn't matter if it's like on your phone or whatever.
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It's like we are we're informing the future.
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What we do and say right now is informing the future.
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That means we're building the structure of what's happening for the next generation.
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And I think it's important that people think about like how, well, maybe, maybe it's that people don't realize that we all are very powerful beings and that we all have a capacity to impact a large amount of human beings just by like having a positive value system or thinking about our value system and coming back to what I mentioned about how you're ready for visibility.
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First of all, that integrity doesn't need to be in practice or hard.
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And it's not hard if you're already practicing it.
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That's how you decide your value system.
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And people should be thinking about their value system, but it's not very common to do that because it's being defined by external things.
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But coming back to are you ready for when you say something on Instagram Live or whatever or YouTube, are you ready for somebody to believe you and take action on that and then be responsible for that?
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And if you're not, then you probably shouldn't be saying what you're saying.
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Yeah, I mean, I'll say this.
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I agree with you a thousand percent.
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I think that a lot of people haven't even taken the time.
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They're so busy building.
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I will even say that I've been guilty of it in the past because I when I get passionate and I feel like I'm getting downloads, it's just flowing.
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But sometimes you don't actually think about what you're saying.
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And what we don't realize is that what you say has so much power.
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And some people might take that very personally and then actually act on it.
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And so this is why I have a major issue with a lot of the younger influencers.
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And the reason being is because they literally are inexperienced.
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It's not, I'm not saying they're stupid or they're not capable, but at that age, at 25, 28 years old, you are not designed to give life coaching advice.
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You need much more wisdom under your belt.
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And but what they're doing, and what I see today is the blind leading the blind.
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And the one thing I will say is I agree with you.
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You can say all you want.
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We should be practicing integrity every day.
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But the reality is a lot of us don't do that type of reflection.
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Actually, it's it's proven that 80% of the world doesn't even self-reflect.
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This is all proven through statistics and white papers.
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And so when you start to see that, you start to think like, oh, like, what would that person really be like?
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And we see it all day long.
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People that think they have morals think that they have values.
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If they haven't done enough reflection or been through hard things, when hard comes, Elizabeth, most people crumble.
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And then they either do something that's out of integrity with themselves or they fall apart.
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And I have seen it in my dating life.
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I've seen it in my friendships, I've seen it in business where people are like, this is who I am, I'm your ride or die, I'm all in, whatever that is, business, relationships, friendships, right?
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But that's all words until reality comes in and kicks you in the teeth.
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And now you actually, that's what I was saying.
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Now you really have to see who you are.
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And most people falter.
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And that's why, because I work with special operators, that's why there's a pipeline.
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That's why 60% of them fail out because you have to be tested.
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And until you're actually tested, you don't really know what you're made of.
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You can sit there and you can go, listen, I I grew up very Christian.
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You can go in there, you can pray on your bed every night, and you can do all the things you're supposed to do, but you will never know who you are until life tests you and then you get to see the real person that comes out.
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And I promise you this too: nobody's perfect.
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We all do things that are out of integrity as humans.
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And that's where I think grace comes in and be able to forgive other people because we're not perfect.
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But also with grace, you have to have accountability and responsibility.
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So that's just my opinion on it.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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And I think you're talking about something super number one, important, that concept of being tested, you know, like, and maybe, maybe the bigger I think that's kind of another reason why I stepped into doing what I was doing because I know that I've been tested.
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I've been tested.
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And I've also the same thing as you, I've been in relationships and partnerships, you know, whether it's romantic, personal, familial, and I'm laughing because I've witnessed people hit that wall of that test that is like, oh my God, this is gonna take them down.
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And I've been there with them through that.
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And I've been their cheerleader, you know, and I've helped people, and maybe that's my gift, you know, is that the people who have been tested, so those are the people that my aim is to amplify because I think about like the state of the world, I think about war, I think about crime, violence, and it I mean, I'm just one human.
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I like I can't like you know, address it all head on, though I would love to.
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But when I think about like what is the number one thing that is going to create change on the planet, and it's peace.
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And how do you create more peace?
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You practice peace.
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And if we want the world to be a more peaceful place, then the then each individual needs to practice more peace inside of themselves.
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And so when you talk about grace and you want to, if we and we want to want to talk about strategy, you know, the most graceful strategy for creating more ethical visibility is the promotion of peace, individual peace.
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And and so that's kind of like me, part of my goal and my aim is to take my skills, my gifts, my talents.
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I don't have a desire to be famous.
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I don't have a desire to even be heard or seen by the public, you know, maybe personal private people close to me.
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I'm actually a very private person and don't uh this is a huge deal for me to come online and speak like this for myself.
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But I know that I've been tested.
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I know that I have clearer discernment because of my experience and the wisdom spirit has blessed me with.
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And and those are the kind of people that I'm looking to amplify and is people like yourself, people who have been through hard stuff, who have discernment and who have wisdom.
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Because uh, when you talk about this younger generation, you know, they're hungry.
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Like they, if you ask me, like when I interact with these younger people, they want to learn and they're smart.
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They like, they see through stuff and they have like the best questions.
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And all they need is us, like is mentorship, which I think probably might touch on something for you because I know that you're a coach.
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Yeah, I mean, mentorship is everything to me.
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I mean, I didn't have the best upbringing.
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And, you know, when I look back, I'm like, if I just had a little bit more guidance, a little bit more support, I think that that's why it's so I think you said earlier, like, right, some of the most successful people come from the trauma.
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Trauma ambition comes from trauma.
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It's actually a proven fact.
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And so, you know, when you don't experience something, you kind of either go into that same path of like I'm just gonna kind of be a loser myself, or you go the exact opposite, and you're like, no, I don't want to ever be like my parents or ever be like that.
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And so it's been, it's been a driving force for me.
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I do want to backtrack a touch though, because I'm really curious.
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You know, you've been in this space, and I think, you know, I just I'll be honest, we all like a little gossip.
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We call it cheese made down here in Colombia.
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And I'm just curious, like, what mistakes do founders make once they become more invisible?
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Like what changes in them that nobody warns them about?
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Because you've probably seen it firsthand.
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Maybe we could even give them like a little warning, like, hey, you know, we've seen this, watch out for this.
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I could share two paths.
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That's what I think I'll do.
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I'll share two paths a path of light and a path of darkness.
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This is just coming to me in the moment, okay?
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So then we'll start with the path of darkness because I like to end on a high note.
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I just want to like take a moment to like bring a little awareness to how this is affecting me to be so visible in this moment.
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And I just needed to be with myself for that.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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So here's what I've seen.
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Sorry.
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Okay, okay.
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So I've I've seen people take two different paths.
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And one of those paths, I've witnessed people, you know, like their fame will rise.
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I've seen them cheat on their partners, abandon their children, like begin to engage in disgusting.
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I know I sound so judgmental, and a part of me absolutely is business practices where they're taking advantage of people who don't have like much, but and they know that they can't come after them.
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You know what I'm talking about as a high-level businessman.
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It's like suddenly behind closed doors, you're engaging in these really shady business practices with vulner practices with very vulnerable people.
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So that's one thing I noticed is you think that you can treat people who are not you, but people who may have fallen, you know, to the dark side, whatever.
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I don't want to make it like lighter, darker, whatever.
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But that's one thing I've noticed is I see their the way that they treat people changes.
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And that's A problem because if you're okay, so here's something I had a married man approach me and he wanted to enter into business with me.
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He saw what I was doing.
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And I was like, sure, absolutely, let's talk about this.
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We can discuss this.
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But before I'll sign anything, I have to meet your wife.
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And she's not part of the business, but I needed to meet his wife because what I learned is that as a woman, the advice to your female listeners out there, especially your entrepreneurial women, don't if a man is married and he wants to be in business with you, if he won't allow you to meet his wife, don't go into fucking business with him.
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And I'll tell you why, because if a man will cheat on his wife, he will cheat on you.
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And you, and so when I met this woman, I could see, I saw in her eyes, I saw in her eyes, you know, she didn't speak poorly of him by any measure, but I could see in her eyes who her husband was to her.
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And that told me everything I needed to know about who he would be in business with me.
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And so that's the first thing.
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So the way you treat the people closest to you is going to be a direct reflection of who you actually become as invisibility increases.
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You can predict who you'll be by how you treat the people, not only the people that are closest to you, but absolute strangers, you know, like the waiter or the waitress.
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Like these are very basic things.
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It's like essentially people, the the darker part of it as the visibility increases to kind of bring it down to a clear insight, is I just see that their empathy reduces and and the way that they treat people becomes a bit more like they're just a bit more detached from humanity.
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But the other side of it, which is the majority of the people I've worked with directly, has been, oh my gosh.
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They just like people then become, they they want to help the world in a more clear way.
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Like they're creating foundations, they're giving money to orphanages.
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I don't know if you guys remember whenever Tony Robbins made that film or he produced, he funded that film called Freedom, I think, where it just brought more awareness to human trafficking practices in the world.
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And then shortly after that, more and more information started blowing up in the world space.
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So they used their platform to create what I to create more peace on the planet.
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So those are kind of the the the dark and the light paths that I've witnessed.
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Was that did that answer your question?
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Yeah, perfectly.
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I mean, I think it's you know, I would speak to the listeners that, well, I'm of two minds.
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So somebody used to ask me, like, when I would work with clients that were charging, you know, for their services and they were uncomfortable charging, like, I just don't want to rip anybody off.
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And I'm like, well, the fact that you are even thinking that way means you're probably not gonna rip anybody off.
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So you you can kind of when what I see is that success is definitely a a multiplier, it's definitely an amplifier.
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And what I see is what you talked about, which is if people really want to do good, they're gonna do good regardless of their station in life.
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And you can you can see it and you can see people who are transactional.
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And and and and what's so funny is they think they're so slick, but I can just watch.
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And I and and because I was in the food service industry for 20 years, I agree with you.
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The the waiter is a big one.
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Like you can just watch how people treat people who can do nothing for them.
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And I think the reality is that we want to live as people in a bit of an illusion or projection where we want to think the best of people, at least I do.
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And I'm not saying that I've become jaded, but I've definitely become much more mindful of saying, listen, I can listen to this person's words all I want.
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And they can say the most beautiful words, but their actions are all that matters.
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Now, does that mean people don't deserve grace in life?
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Of course they do.
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We are all human.
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That's the point of this experience.
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And also you have to protect yourself.
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And when you watch somebody and you get a gut feeling and the discernment kicks in, listen to yourself.
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And I think that that's such an important quality on just judging character of partners, judging character of business partners, judging character of intimate partners, judging character of friends.
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And it's really challenging because I've really had to do something that goes against my brain, which my brain is to literally listen to words and want to believe what I'm told, but I realize that anything anyone says is actually completely irrelevant.
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It doesn't even matter.
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All that matters is the filter of what I actually watch them doing, the fruit of their lives, and how they interact.
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And it's been a really, really awesome just skill to learn.
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And I will just say this one last thing that's really important to me is empathy is a big deal.
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And there are times in my life where I haven't had empathy, and and I and I do help feel shame over that, but I, you know, you have to forgive yourself.
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And but the majority of the time I'm I'm overly empathetic.
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It's kind of my nature.
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And I think when you're looking for people in your life, look for kindness and empathy.
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Because it's a very important trait.
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Because if you see people that lack kindness or lack empathy, when push comes to shove, they are going to think about one person and one person only, and that is themselves.
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And that is a fact.
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So I appreciate you sharing that.
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How many times have you so could you so when you say like kindness and empathy, how do you know, like when you're witnessing a person who is displaying kindness and displays empathy, but it's not real?
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How do you know that?
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You want the honest to God truth?
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There's only one way.
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Yeah.
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Time.
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There's only one way, and that's time.
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I think there's a second way, but you can't depend on this if you weren't given the gift of discernment and have good intuition.
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Some of us just don't have that.
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I have very strong discernment and good intuition, but that comes from God, in my opinion.
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But if you don't have that or you haven't leaned on that yet, or you haven't learned it, I think the only real tangible way is just simply to take to watch over time because people's patterns will show eventually.
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You know, I think they will.
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I think it takes time.
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I mean, I trust my discernment and I'm pretty good at picking out people, but at the end of the day, time is the only thing that really will tell you.
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And it takes time.
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I think that's another thing, you know, just talking about, let's just use dating as an example.
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It takes at least a year to even think you're going to get a real picture of somebody.
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I mean, I'll just give you an example.
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This is something I was talking to my buddy about yesterday at the pool.
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It's mind-blogged to me, Elizabeth, and I want your opinion on this.
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Back in the day, you lived in a group of people, whether it was a tribe or a community or a city, didn't matter, who are very similar.
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Like you go back 50, 60, 100 years ago, like Polish were Polish, Jews with Jews, Italians with Italians.
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It was much smaller neighborhoods.
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Your grandma knew their grandma, your uncle, everybody grew up together.
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You knew each other.
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You knew what their families are about.
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You went to school with this person, you watched who they were.
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So you had an idea of who you were dealing with for decades.
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And you also shared the same culture.
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Maybe you shared the same religion.
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So there's there were values there that were shared.
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Now you're swiping on an app, hoping to maybe spend the rest of your life with somebody that you know nothing about.
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You don't know their background, you don't know the meds they're on, you don't know the drama they've had, you don't know the trauma they experienced, you don't know what their values are.
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That is mind-blowing to me, like legitimately mind-blowing, because when you really look at that, if you let's just say me and you swiped on an app and we go out on a date, it would take a very long time, or it should take a very long time for us to get to know each other enough to even be able to really trust and see how we really operate.
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And that is very interesting to me in the world today, just the time piece, you know.
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And I think the dating thing blows my mind because I see people you date.
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I mean, I've done it.
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I have met my ex on Bumble, and we fell in love in like two weeks and we were together for like two years.
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And I got to see her character later on in the relationship, and I realize how emotionally immature that is.
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And love is so important, but you really got to have love with somebody who's equally sharing the same values you are.
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So it's just, it's just an interesting take on it.
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But if to to answer your question, I think it's time, and I think that's a really shining example of how if you don't take your time, you can destroy your whole life, you know?
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So yeah.
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You can.
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You can.
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And yeah, I I'm thank you for bringing me in on this conversation because it's one that I'm very interested in and I have a lot of very clear perspectives on.
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It doesn't take me a year to know about the for me, it takes me 30, 30 days to four months.
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And the reason why is because I like what you're talking about, this concept of discernment and this concept of how people's people's actions will show you who they are and they'll show you in the smallest ways, the smallest ways.
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Like, like, for example, you know, it's like, I'll text you Friday, you know, it's like, oh, but they don't, they text you Sunday.
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It's like, that's a thing.
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That's a thing.
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That's a small thing, but that or like, and I I like to use that example because that is applicable also in business as well.
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You know, whenever you are creating trust in relationships, like what do people say they're gonna that honestly, I'm just gonna be so this is honestly the easiest thing.
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If a person, you mentioned that discernment is a gift, I fully disagree.
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I think it's a skill that has developed over time, and it might be a gift for you because you had a child or you had a hard childhood like I did.
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And so that was my gift, and that's just the nature of that.
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But I don't actually know if that's true about you.
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I'm just making assumptions here.
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I also have a high degree of intuition, and you know, I've been a holistic wellness practitioner at some point in my life and done coaching and all that kind of fun stuff.
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And I would say if I were teaching a 20-year-old, you know, girl, she's entering life and she's trying to figure out, okay, I'm how am I gonna develop trust with a person?
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And as a woman who has had who has been betrayed in every way you can possibly think of betrayal, and I laughed because it was like it's all part of my process.
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But it's like you just watch what do people say they're gonna do, and then what do they actually do?
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And that tells you everything you need to know about a person.
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And it's you can learn it so fast, and you can learn it through a bumble app, or it does it like through distance or whatever.
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That that's kind of been one thing.
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And then I think the process of developing trust comes through authenticity.
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So to me, there's this concept of truth.
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I told you I I also kind of like grew up in the church, but I've also explored a lot of things.
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And what I like about the Bible and Jesus is the foundation of that is that God is love and love is God.
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And I see the concept of love as it is ab it it permeates everything.
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If I'm gonna get super woo-woo here, it permeates all of our existence.
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But you can't have love without truth.
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So let's come to truth, especially since we're talking about visibility.
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And so when a person's physical body experiences truth, there is natural expansion because in truth, there is acceptance, there's space.
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And so when you are encountering truth with another human being, whether this is romantic, you're trying to figure out if you can trust your family member that betrayed you in the past, or you know, or it's like a business partner, I don't care.
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If you the key is listening to your body.
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So stillness, solitude, no screens, close your eyes, be in the dark, like don't move your physical body, reduce inputs.
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Because when you reduce those external inputs and you create that inner stillness, which is where you find peace, by the way, that's when you can hear the truth.
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And that's why I say, like, for me, with those things, I know with people.
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And like, here's what happens with me whenever I'm learning about people is it typically I'll know within the first encounter, maybe the first like two to three counters about who this person is gonna be, like whether I can trust them, all that.
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And then I give it 30 days to see what actions pop up.
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And I can give you an example of a recent ex business experience.
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But do you want to hear it?
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Have that.
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It's all about you today.
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Okay, thanks.
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Well, I would have loved to hear more about you though, and your experience with this and your perspective of this because it's equally valuable and it adds to the whole point of what I'm doing, which is telling people let's be more, let's have greater integrity and bring more peace to the planet.
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That's like my big message.
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So recently I I had a different established man approach me to help for me to work with him and help him build something.
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And immediately I was like, immediately I'm like, this guy's a joke.
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Like, not to be rude, but like in my mind, I'm like, I'm like, no, this guy is clearly like not an integrity, clearly has shady business practices, clearly, like in my heart, I just like was like, I it was like laughing at how this was so clearly a no, but I stayed because he had all the right words and and he had like and and and he he was like, oh, look at this, and oh, I can do this for you, and you and here's the catch, people.
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It's like they'll make promises that really, really appeal to you.
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And so I was getting promises, you know, and so but I I I put forth the test, you know.
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And so this person, they had like uh I made a small investment in their business, and then I asked them to make a small investment in mine.
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And so, and that person never did make that small investment.
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I'm talking we're talking like less than a hundred dollars.
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Um, so simple.
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It's an exchange of energy in that action.
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He had a whole 30 days to take action on this, and he did not.
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And I say that because that right there was a an opportunity for reciprocity.
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So, you know, what are you giving and what are you receiving and creating balance as like an empath or intuitive psychic chick, whatever, woo-woo girl, like to speak to the other like women because that's what I care about the most.
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Not that men aren't great, but um if I'm gonna be mentoring people, I prefer to mentor women.
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Watch out for like the reciprocity piece as well.
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What is it that you're giving and what are you actually getting back?
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So anyway, that's my that's my perspective on all of that.
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No, I mean I agree with you completely.
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I think that, you know, people are sometimes coming in malice.
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Some people, sometimes people are just coming in in ignorance.
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I think some people overestimate their capacity.
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So I have a little more grace in that area because I've seen a lot of people, it doesn't mean that I don't hold them accountable, because you gotta watch what they're doing.
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But people will tell you exactly what you want to hear.
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Some people have actually been taught since they were children how to do that because that's how they got their way in their home.
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And so what I would say is exactly what you're saying, which is just watch.
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Just watch the actions.
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Because I'll tell you right now, I mean, charming people can can spin your head upside down.
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And when it comes time for them to pay up, for lack of better words, or to to do what they say they're gonna do, you'll see really quickly if it's real or not.
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And I think there's a lot of people in the world that aren't, you know, and I think that's just unfortunate.
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And so I had wrote something down as I'm at a place now.
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I'll give you an example.
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I had a meeting with a woman.
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She was a doctor.
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I just met her on Instagram.
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We kind of commented each other's stuff.
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I was like, oh, this seems like it could be a good relationship.
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Let's have a connection.
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You want to get on a Zoom?
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:19.920
Sure.
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The first Zoom call, she was 15 minutes late.
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I jumped off.
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She texted me right around that time, like, hey, I just saw you jumped off.
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Sorry, I was running late.
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And I'm like, you don't tell me 15 minutes after you're running late that you're running late.
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So no big deal.
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I said, hey, let's reschedule.
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So we rescheduled for the weekend.
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And she texts me and she says, Hey, I should be able to make it by 10.
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How tight is your schedule?
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Well, to me, that's not very solid.
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I should be able to.
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So I said, Hey, should doesn't seem very solid to me.
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Just text me when you're able to reschedule something solid.
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And then she re she came on the call and she's like, Oh, I waited 15 minutes for you.
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I'm like, I told you I wasn't gonna be there, but okay.
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But what was great about her that I really appreciated is she shot me a text and says, Hey, I appreciate a little more flexibility in how things go.
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It sounds like we're not aligned.
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I'm like, absolutely awesome, thank you.
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And immediately I cut somebody out of my life that wasn't gonna be useful.
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It doesn't mean she's a bad person.
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Her actually the way she articulated her last text me was beautiful.
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I was like, Oh, thank you.
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That makes perfect sense.
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But I don't agree with anything you said.
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So I don't want you in my life, you know.
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And I remember Kobe Bryant saying, I don't understand lazy people and I don't want to.
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And so what I would say with people is you've really got to sit down, like you said, alone, no screens by yourself with God, with the universe, and say, like, who am I?
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And what do I really stand for?
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Because at the end of the day, anybody that doesn't match that, like I'm telling you right now, just get them out of your life.
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And people might be like, yeah, but no, I'm just I'm just telling you to the audience, get them the fuck out of your life as fast as you possibly can, because they're just not gonna be in alignment with where you're going.
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And it doesn't, there's no judgment there.
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Like me and you might hang out one day, Elizabeth, just might not be aligned to be friends.
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I don't know.
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And that's okay.
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You just want people in your ecosystem that think like you because people think very differently in this world.
00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:03.440
So it's interesting as an influencer, as an entrepreneur, as a founder, right?
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And how this visibility idea, like, what should people be thinking about?
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You said a little earlier, is like, hey, if you're really going to do this, I don't care if you have a million followers or one follower, someone's paying attention to you.
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You have impact, you have visibility, you have influence.
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What do you want to leave with the audience that they should really be paying attention to?
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Because to me, I agree with you a thousand percent.
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I think this is a very, very serious thing.
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And I think unfortunately, the way the internet is is is crafted today, there's a lot of people out there with a lot of influence who are should not have it, in my opinion.
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They haven't earned it and they don't have the best morals and values.
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How would you tell them to approach this stage?
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Thank you so much.
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And you know, the first thing that comes to my heart is feeling extremely excited at like, imagine like if every person on the planet took, like, really realized, like, I mean, because we all have some level of visibility, whether you're just walking down the street, you know, but took it that uh that advice that you just shared about like the stillness and and knowing one's value system.
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That's one important thing.
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Know your value system, live your value system.
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And then, you know, adding on your point about only allow people close to you who match that.
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I'm very, very much so agree with that.
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Maybe I, you know, I mentioned it earlier.
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You're ready for visibility whenever you're ready to take responsibility for people believing you.
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So I just want people to think about that concept experience.
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The thing that comes to my heart is imagining if I say a thing to somebody and then they go and they take an action based on that thing I said, and that action creates life or creates death destruction.
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Am I ready for the responsibility for that?
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And so I think if I were just to give people something, it's like, you know, you're ready for visibility.
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You know, you're ready to be an influencer, you're ready to influence others whenever you're ready to personally take responsibility for people believing what it is that you say.
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I a thousand percent agree.
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And I think that that has been my biggest issue with the world today is it's very low stakes and it's very lacking in responsibility and accountability.
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And I think that everybody out there has to understand that people are looking to you, whether you know that when you walk down the street, when you speak online, however people are and they're, you know, society, Elizabeth, I think, is looking to follow.
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That's why there is Jesus and Buddha and and Muhammad and all these things.
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They want something to look up to.
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And I think if more people took that responsibility seriously, I really think we would have a much better place.
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:42.239
And speaking of taking that responsibility seriously, this is exactly the work you do.
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Can you just tell the audience where they can find you and how they can actually up their game on that integrity piece?
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They are awesome.
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So I'll have your website in the show notes and any I'll give all your links and all your handles and everything.
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I really appreciate you being here.
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This has been an actually really intense conversation, and it's great because integrity is is is so important.
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I do want to leave this one note, and by the way, this is not a get out of jail free card for anybody, but you are going to default on your integrity.
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You're not perfect, and you have to learn to give your girl self grace and then immediately you have accountability and get your ass back on the horse and take responsibility.
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But I will tell you, we are not perfect either.
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And I know that when people punish themselves, they actually lose more integrity.
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So yeah.
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That's so beautiful.
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Thank you for that.
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Thank you, Elizabeth.
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I really appreciate you being here.