Mary Marvel vs Hercules

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This is a DynaMic Network Podcast. Hi and welcome
to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we
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review superhero films and debate the
superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing
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their characters in stat-based battle
simulations. I'm Marvelous Joe and I'm his twin
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brother Johnny DC. And in this episode we're going
to find out who would win in a fight between the
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Greek God-powered characters of Mary Marvel and
Hercules. You know, Hercules is not Greek
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God-powered, he is the Greek God of Strength in
Marvel. Oh interesting, I didn't realize he was
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promoted above Demi-God. Yeah, that is correct. I
do have to say though that even with his godhood, I
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think this is a mismatch, probably as big of a one
that was Rey vs. Havoc. Because Mary Marvel has all
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of the powers and Hercules is just some strong
dude. So... Isn't it going to be funny when
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Hercules beats the shit out of Mary Marvel and then
you're going to be like, oh I was so stupid for
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thinking this is a mismatch? No, I don't think
that'll be funny. It'll be funny when Hercules
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wins. But before we get into that duel matchup
guys, where we input their stats and run
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simulations to see who would win in a fight, we're
going to break down the latest comic book movie
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news this past week, of which there was quite a bit
because a lot of studios had their upfront
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presentations to potential advertisers. So in
addition to the Superman official trailer, which
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sure, yeah that came out last week, we got the Iron
Heart official trailer last week guys, hell yeah.
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We also got the teaser for the upcoming Spider-Nor
television show starring Nicholas Cage, and we
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also learned that Kristen Ritter will be
returning as Jessica Jones in the next season of
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Daredevil Born Again. A lot of great Marvel news
and some rinky-dink DC news, but excited to get
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into it. You doing this just tells me how buttery
you are, how good the Superman trailer was. You
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know it and you're hard to be true. As always guys,
we list our segment times in our episode
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description, so feel free to check out the show
notes if you want to skip ahead to a particular
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topic. Our artificially intelligent duel
simulator, AJ9K, has a quick message for our
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listeners, so listen up. Thanks AJ9K and thanks to
everyone who supports the podcast. Guys, be sure
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to tune into the other shows on the DynaMic Podcast
Network this week, including the console combat
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podcast where hosts John and Dean simulate
battles between popular video game characters.
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In yesterday's episode, they speculated on who
would win in a fight between Joel Miller from The
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Last of Us versus Leon Kennedy from Resident Evil.
That's going to be a good one. Over on the Max
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Destruction podcast, hosts Scotty and Gilly, pit
your favorite action heroes from film and
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television against each other. They're on a brief
season break, but they will be returning this
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June. On the Senjoh World podcast, host Zachary
Hepburn speculates on fights between fan
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favorite anime and manga characters. On
Thursday, Zach is going to reveal who would win in a
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fight between Sunraku from Shingra La Frontier
versus Kirito from Sword Art Online. He's finally
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feeling better guys, he got the cast off, so we're
glad that he's back with us. Visit
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dynamicpodcasts.com or click the link in our show
notes to listen to all of the shows in the Dynamite
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Podcast Network. But with that out of the way?
Quick to the No Prize! A No Prize is an award that
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Marvel used to give out to fans. Our version, the
Dynamic Dual No Prize, is a digital award that we
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post on Instagram for the person that we feel gave
the best answer to our question of the week. Last
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week we asked you guys, cast any Saturday Night
Live actor as a Marvel or DC superhero, who would
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you cast and why? And this is coming off of the news
that Tim Meadows is going to have a role in the
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upcoming Peacemaker season 2. We got quite a
number of answers, so we're going to break down
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this week's 3 honorable mentions before
revealing the No Prize winner. Our first
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honorable mention goes to... by Dear Bangura and
Cyrus Moore. They both gave the same answer so
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they're sharing an honorable mention. They
said... I think it'd be pretty interesting. Yeah,
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Andy Sandberg is one of the all-time Saturday
Night Live greats in my opinion. I love the Lonely
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Island and what they did with their digital
shorts. I think he would totally kill it as Booster
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Gold. He may not have the physique to play a
superhero, but I don't think you really need that
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when you're playing a comedic character like
Booster Gold who has this high-tech weaponry. It
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could work. It could totally work. And you know
what? Have your Metacony play Ted Corden, Blue
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Beetle. I could see that working. I could also see
Jason Sudeikis in the role of Ted Corden, Blue
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Beetle, since he's been a fancast as that
character for a while. But you know, both Jason
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Sudeikis and Andy Sandberg were on SNL at the same
time. You're talking about Andy Sandberg's
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physique, but he actually had a pretty good
physique in the movie Popstar and in Brooklyn
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Nine-Nine. I think Brooklyn Nine-Nine was a great
show. He really proved himself as a leading man for
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a sitcom series like that. And since we know that
Booster Gold is going to be a TV show set in the DCU, I
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think Andy Sandberg could totally carry that.
He'd be fantastic. Great answer by Dyr and Cyrus.
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Our next honorable mention goes to Travis
Herndon. Who said? What's our dynamic news?
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Travis here. Shout out to Manevele Twin. So my
answer would be Kenan Thompson as Night Thrasher.
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I think he would be an interesting character for
him to play, especially if you go to comedic route
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with him. Kind of like making him Marvel's
equivalent of kickass or vigilante from
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Peacemaker. I think Kenan Thompson could pull it
off and you know, you can maybe have him like a
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season two of She-Hulk or something as like this
goofy vigilante or something being sued. I love
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this idea. At first I wasn't quite sold on the idea
of Kenan Thompson playing a superhero when I was
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first listening to Travis's answer. But then when
he pitched the idea of making it kind of like
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kickass or vigilante from Peacemaker, I was
instantly sold. I was like, that's exactly how
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Kenan should approach this character of Night
Thrasher, who of course is one of the founding
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members of the new Warriors team for Marvel. Yeah,
I don't know much about Night Thrasher. Does he
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have any powers? No, he's like a master martial
artist. He's a street vigilante in the true sense.
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Okay, yeah, that sounds perfect then. Night
Thrasher will be a member of your team in our
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upcoming Infinity, Inc. vs. New Warriors team
duel episode, which spoiler alert is going to be
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our next episode. So look forward to that. Great
answer, Travis. Our final honorable mention goes
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to Mike Williams. Who said? Hi guys, Mike Williams
here. I don't necessarily see anyone I would cast
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as a hero, but I see David Spade. I think he would
make a decent arcade. The villain out of Marvel
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who's always taunting the X-Men and Spider-Man.
Well, that's my take. As always, make mine Marvel.
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Thanks. We got a lot of great answers for this
particular no prize, but this is one of the only
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answers where as soon as I heard it, I really
couldn't imagine anyone else in the role. If
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Arcade ever makes live action appearance in the
MCU as a villain for the X-Men or maybe like in a
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special presentation since I couldn't see him
really holding his own film as a villain, they
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would have to cast David Spade in my opinion,
because he would be so perfect for that. Yeah, when
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I think of Arcade, he definitely has the voice at
the very least of David Spade. Yeah, I guess if they
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went in animated route, but I think he also has the
look minus the red hair. They would just have to dye
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David Spade's hair red. But speaking of a lot of
great answers, we want to give a huge shout out to a
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bunch of people who called in this past week. You
guys came out of the woodwork and we truly
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appreciate it. So shout out to Brian Rochester,
who said that Chris Catan should play Slapstick. I
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don't know if the MCU is ready for a character like
Slapstick just yet, but Chris Catan could totally
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do the voice for the character because I think
you'd have to go animated for that. Carter Pitts
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said Andy Sandbrook should play Trickster, the
Flash villain. Colby Hinches cast a new gods film
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with people like Mikey Day as Mr. Miracle and Billy
Crystal as Oberon. Jose Marcial said John Mulaney
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should play Snowflame as a cocaine joke. Although
I don't think John Mulaney was ever part of the cast
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officially. He was just a writer at SNL. Cat
Stevenson cast the Avengers with SNL characters.
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Lorenzo Valdez said Eddie Murphy should play Gus
Gorman, who was the character that Richard Pryor
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played in Superman 3. Travis Bailey, who gave a
shout out to his good twin Travis Herndon, said
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that Damon Waynes should bring his blank man
character to either the Marvel or DC Universe. But
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the winner of this week's No Prize is Paul Graves,
who said... I'm really wishing that I cut that last
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part out of his message. I can't censor the truth.
Now, Martin Short has to be one of my favorite SNL
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alums of all time. He and Steve Martin are one of the
greatest all time comedy duos ever. And I could
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totally see Martin Short playing a character to
perfection like Mr. Misk Spitalik. Yeah, this
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answer really stood out to me as well because once I
heard it, I really couldn't imagine anyone else in
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the role. Now, of course, I think it was Gilbert
Gottfried who voiced the character in the
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Superman cartoon series from the 90s. And he would
have been a great Mr. Misk Spitalik too. But Martin
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Short, I think, has the look and the personality, I
think, to tackle a character like that. Yeah, and
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despite him being older, he still has quite a bit of
physicality to him too. Oh, for sure. The guy can
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move around. He's very spry. Great answer, Paul.
You win this week's No Prize. If you, the listener,
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want to shot at winning your own No Prize, stay
tuned to later on in this episode when we'll be
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asking another question of the week. But now that
that's done, on to the news. OK, so last week Warner
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Brothers finally gave us the first official
trailer for Superman, James Gunn's first DCU film
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that's hitting theaters in mid July. Now, we've
had a teaser trailer, which I thought was really
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good and an extended version of that. But I feel
like this is the first trailer we've seen where we
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finally get to see David Corn Sweat's acting
approach to the character. The trailer starts off
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with Clark Kent and Lois Lane. I think in Lois'
apartment, maybe their shared apartment,
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they're clearly a couple. But she gets to
interview him for the first time as Superman,
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considering he did something fairly
controversial and that he stopped a war abroad to
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help save lives. And Rachel Brosnahan, as Lois
Lane, totally kills it as a reporter. You know, she
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definitely asks Clark the tough questions enough
for him to get fairly upset. But it's also kind of
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cool just to see how much character David Corn
Sweat is going to bring to the character of Clark.
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Just in contrast, it made me feel like Henry
Cavill's past performance was a little bit more
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muted and maybe a little bit more generic. Like
this Superman seems much more like a real person.
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Yeah, it was a really interesting start to the
trailer. It went places I didn't think it was going
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to go, but it seems like the film is going to speak
to, you know, the larger issue of superhero ethics
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and the role of Superman within modern society,
which is not something any of the other Superman
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films have really done. Well, I think Zack Snyder
actually tried to approach ethics in his films.
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But just the way this interview was set up, I feel
like it's going to be a little bit more successful
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in having the audience ponder these questions. I
didn't really like the editorializing that Lois
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Lane kind of did with her questions. It seemed just
a little bit antagonistic, but I guess that's kind
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of who Lois Lane is. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And I
mean, it looks like a lot of people are
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antagonistic towards Superman in this trailer,
including the US military, including Lex Luthor,
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who has sided with the engineer apparently to
invade the fortress of solitude, which I didn't
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love seeing that in this trailer. I think I figured
that it was going to happen, but this is going to be
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the third or fourth movie now where Lex Luthor has
broken into the fortress. Oh, yeah, there was
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Superman 2 famously and also Superman Returns
with Kevin Spacey's version of Lex Luthor. But
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Nicholas Holt plays a pretty damn good Lex Luthor,
I think. Yeah, just watching Kim perform, I have to
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feel like his acting is coming from a very real
place of him just missing out on the role of
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Superman because he was next in line after David
Cornswet to get the role. So he's probably like,
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fucking David Cornswet. The engineer looks
interesting. She's made up entirely of like
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nanobots and can transform her limbs and stuff
into deadly weapons. She kind of comes across as
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like the Faiora of this movie. But we also get to see
like Miss Tess Mocker, like doing a selfie with
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Superman fighting a monster in the background. We
get to see a lot of supporting cast, including Ma
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and Pod Kent. Actually, Pod Kent, Jonathan Kent
get some voiceover in this trailer, which is kind
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of cool. They're very, very like Kansas farm
couple. Like more so, I feel like than any other
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depiction of them that we've seen on screen. For
sure. Yeah, I liked how human they were presented
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where Ma Kent was like, I cleaned your boots. I'll
go get them. It was funny. Of course, we also get to
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see the Justice League in this trailer with Green
Lantern, Hawk Girl, Mr. Terrific. And we get to see
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them display some of their powers like Green
Lantern kind of flicking some soldiers with a
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giant green hand. And we also get to see
Metamorpho, who looks like is caged with Superman
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in this like glass prison. And he's keeping him
there by turning his hand into Kryptonite, which
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is pretty wild. Yeah, Metamorpho is a good guy,
though. So Lex Luthor must be manipulating him in
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order to create that Kryptonite. Yeah, it kind of
looks that way. Maybe by the end of this,
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Metamorpho will join the Justice League. We also
get to see Ultraman in this trailer. I think that's
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Ultraman. People keep calling him Ultraman. I'm
still not 100 percent sure if that's the actual
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Ultraman, you know, from Earth 3 or if that's like
Lex's battle suit or what it is. No idea. There's
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still a lot to the story that I feel like we don't
know anything about yet. Well, speaking of battle
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suits, Superman fights another guy wearing a like
juggernaut almost ask battle suit in this
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trailer. Yeah, one that has heat vision. Yeah. Is
that Lex Luthor's battle suit? Is it someone
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else's? No idea. But he also fights a Kaiju. I feel
like Superman is just going up against everybody
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in this movie. Oh, yeah. Yeah, this movie is going
to be all over the place, I feel like, which I'm kind
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of concerned about, but we'll see how James Gunn
handles it. I didn't love the way the trailer ended
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with the end joke with, oh, you have a dog and then
there's crypto. It's cute, but it's also
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Marvel-esque to me. Like, I don't need that kind of
end stinger joke in my DC trailers. Well, DC is just
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trying to copy a successful formula, and that is to
say, you know, they're ripping off Marvel. Just
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give me more epicness. All right. I don't need the
jokes. I need the epicness. And it looks like this
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movie is going to be pretty epic. It comes out in
July 11th. Can't wait to see it. Super stoked. Way
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more stoked for this than some shit show like Iron
Heart is probably going to be. Why are you dissing
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on Iron Heart? Because they released the trailer
the same day that Warner Brothers released the
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Superman trailer, knowing that it was going to
just get buried. Like, who does that? All I know is
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that it looks like people are hyped for the Iron
Heart trailer, and I would consider myself one of
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them. But let's talk about it. So the trailer
starts off really hammering home that the series
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is executive produced by Ryan Coogler, who, of
course, directed the Black Panther films. With
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the latter film in the series actually debuting
the character of Riri Williams, where she goes to
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Wakanda and builds the Iron Heart suit of armor. Of
course, she doesn't get to take it back with her. So
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this Iron Heart series, I think, is her trying to
rebuild and improve upon her designs. She goes
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into this elevator in the trailer where it
suddenly starts filling up with gas. And we hear
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from the hood who's played by Anthony Ramos that
this is an interview pitch to see if she can get out
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of this deadly trap. The way she gets out of it is a
little strange because instead of disarming the
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gas bomb and putting on the gas mask, she, I guess,
stops the elevator. Man handles one of the handles
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off of the side of the elevator and then uses it as
leverage to pry open the elevator door, which
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seemed a little low-tech from my perspective. You
would think that she would do something a little
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bit more crazy, like, I don't know, turn the
elevator into a jet that shoots out of the building
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or something. I don't know. That's just off the top
of my head. I don't know if that's a good example.
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But manhandling the doors open was not that
impressive to me in terms of a tech solution. Yeah,
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it literally wasn't a tech solution unless you're
going back to caveman tech. But they called her a
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genius for her actions there. I guess she passes
her interview by performing these actions. It did
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take some out-of-the-box thinking, which can
definitely be considered genius inventive
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thinking. You know, she's going to MIT. We see her
working on New Iron Man armor. She says she wants to
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build something iconic, which was a little bit of a
strange adjective to me because I think to be
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iconic, you know, you're building something that
is a symbol, but it also implies a sort of
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originality. But we know that the Iron Heart armor
is heavily inspired by the Iron Man armor. I
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thought the same exact thing. To me, an icon is set
apart from everything else and really is a legacy
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character for Iron Man. Right, yeah. She takes on
Tony Stark's legacy and I hope they address that in
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this series. I think to not bring up Tony Stark at
all would be a mistake. And what was really
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interesting is that in the comic books, Tony
Stark's consciousness depicted as an AI hologram
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really served as a mentor for Riri as she was
building the suit of armor. They kind of became
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like colleagues in a sense in that way, which was
really nice. I think that's what fans want and
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expect from this series. And my concern is that
they're not going to address Tony Stark's legacy
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at all. I mean, eventually Riri becomes her own
character, but we don't want to lose sight of that
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legacy, I think. From the previous look at this
show that we got, I think last year at D23, we
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learned that the series is taking on kind of like a
set it off type plot where Riri temporarily
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becomes a thief in order to get the money to fund her
work, building the Iron Heart armor. Therefore,
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she partners with Parker Robbins, a.k .a. the
hood. Who seems pretty cool in this trailer too? We
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see that he can bend his magic bullets like he can in
the comic books. The source of his powers are magic
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based in nature. He gets the hood from Mephisto and
rumors are that Mephisto will be making an
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appearance in this series, which is interesting
because we'll get that magic versus technology
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angle here. There was one shot that I thought was
pretty cool, if not a bit derivative, where it
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looks like Riri is going to get run over by a semi
truck and the armor comes to save her. And then she
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does like a superhero landing and punches the
truck over her. We've seen that a lot in these
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superhero shows. So it wasn't that original to see
it again. I'm really hoping that they take this
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series in a direction to make it worth the
investment that Marvel Studios has put into it.
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Because I don't know if there's a whole lot of
demand for this series, but if it's good, then I
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don't think people will care that there wasn't a
lot of demand. Very true. And you've mentioned the
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investment that Marvel has put into this and it
does look like they put quite a bit of money. The
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show looks really good, I would say. I don't mean
just the special effects, but just the
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cinematography alone. Yeah, it's very
cinematic. The end stinger after the title card,
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we see Riri go into some guy's bunker. The
character is Joe McGillicuddy, who is an original
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character to this series. I don't remember that
name from the comic books. And I didn't even know
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that Alden Ehrenreich was going to be in this show.
So it was pretty interesting that he shows up.
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Yeah, I almost wonder if he's like a stand in for
Tony Stark as that kind of mentor type figure.
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Maybe. He does have like guided missiles in his
bunker or something like that. So he might be some
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kind of weapons designer like Tony Stark was.
We'll see. The show comes out in about a month. The
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first three episodes are going to launch on June
24th on Disney Plus. And then we're going to get the
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remaining three episodes in the weeks after that.
It is surprising that they're debuting the show
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with like the first half of the entire season. I'm
really looking forward to the show. I hope it's
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good. All I know is that the trailer was better than
the Superman trailer. And all I know is that you
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know that you are lying to yourself. But that
brings us to our question of the week. Who had the
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better official trailer last week? Superman or
Ironheart? Obviously the answer is Ironheart,
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duel no prize that we'll post to Instagram. Be sure
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to answer before May 24th. Speaking of Marvel
trailers, we got the first official teaser for
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Spider Noir, which is a series that's going to
debut on Amazon Prime and stars Nicholas Cage as
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Spider-Man. The Noir version of Spider-Man as he
was depicted in the Spider-Man into the
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Spider-Verse animated movie. Now it's strange is
that this hasn't officially been released by
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Amazon. Like it's not under official YouTube
channel or anything like that, which I thought was
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strange. Yeah, the trailer was debuted during
their upfront presentation. And I don't know if it
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was supposed to be publicly released, although
the version that some channels have put out looks
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pretty official. It's pretty damn cool looking.
It's giving Sin City vibes. Oh, yeah. That's the
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first thing I thought when I saw this and I was
instantly sold. Like these 30 seconds to me are way
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better than the entire Iron Heart trailer. In the
trailer, we hear a guy talking about how this
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version of New York, I think it is, needs a hero. And
we hear Nick Cage say, well, I hope it finds one.
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There's a spider that crawls by his foot and it
looks like we see his spider sense tingling at one
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point. It also crawls on his hand and we see him beat
the shit out of some bad guys. The camera work is
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really damn interesting, especially for a noir
project like this, because the camera is very
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dynamic. We see Spider-Man flipping on walls and
sliding across the floor. And there's one part
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where he's hiding behind a bad guy and he clicks his
goggles on, which glow kind of like headlamps,
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which I think makes for a really damn cool visual.
Yeah, it looks badass. And we really haven't seen
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this kind of style of filmmaking since Sin City and
Frank Miller's The Spirit, although I never
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really watched that. That was a horrible movie.
I've heard. But I mean, it looks really cool. So I'm
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glad to see that it's being used once again for this
because this feels like it's the perfect project
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for that style. It kind of looks like a great mix of
Spider-Man and Batman. I'm actually surprised
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that DC has never thought to produce a noir series
with Batman like this. Well, Amazon Prime
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actually does a noir style version of Batman
already in Batman Caped Crusader, the animated
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series produced by Bruce Tim. If they ever did that
in live action, I think they could totally do a
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similar style to this. Absolutely, yeah. That
would be cool. I think one of the coolest things
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about this teaser was the title card for
Spider-Nor. I really like the font that they
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chose. It's very noir looking. Yeah, it's like an
art deco kind of style, but it's wonky. Yeah, the
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font weight is shifted over. That gives us some
interesting character. And it's all set in
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shadow, too. It's really cool looking, real
atmospheric. We learned that the show is coming
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next year in 2026. So I'm really looking forward to
that. Speaking of the upfront presentations by
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Studios, we learned this past week from Marvel
that Kristen Ritter will be joining the cast of
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Daredevil Born Again Season 2, reprising her role
as Jessica Jones. Which means that since
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Daredevil Born Again took on the continuity of the
Netflix Daredevil series and that version of
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Daredevil and Jessica Jones teamed up in The
Defenders, that means that the Jessica Jones
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series is also part of the MCU continuity and we'll
get to see that character return with all of that
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established backstory. So these characters
won't be meeting each other for the first time in
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season 2. They'll be meeting again and maybe
that'll even lead to a reformation of The
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Defenders. But hopefully without Finn Jones. Or
he could come back and pass on the mantle of Iron
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Fist onto a character like Lin Lee, the Sword
Master, or something like that and establish that
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Iron Fist legacy. I think that would be a cool way to
use him if he came back. But it would make sense for
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some heroes to show up in season 2 since we know that
at the end of season 1, Daredevil is putting
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together basically a team to go up against the
Kingpin, who's the mayor of New York. Yeah, I have
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trouble seeing how Kingpin is going to stand a
chance against a group of superpowered
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vigilantes like Jessica Jones and The Other
Defenders, unless Kingpin himself starts to hire
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out superpowered individuals, which will be
pretty cool. That would be pretty cool. I'd like to
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see that. There's a lot of speculation to be had
here. I really hope they bring back Mike Coulter as
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Luke Cage and then bring on some other street
heroes like Moon Knight or something like that.
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Bring in Oscar Isaac and stuff like that. Who
knows? The sky's the limit. If Kristen Ritter is
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coming back as Jessica Jones, who knows who else we
might see. We don't know the specific date, but
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it's been said that the season is going to debut in
March of 2026, so a year after the first season came
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out. If you guys listen to this show a lot, you'll
know that we rated Daredevil born again season 1, 4
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stars out of 5, so I'm really looking forward to
season 2. The Dark Knight's definitive DC comic
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stories adapted directly for audio for the very
first time. New episodes every Wednesday,
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wherever you get your podcasts. But that does it
for all the news for this episode, so let's go ahead
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and move into our main event, where we find out who
would win in a fight between the Greek God-powered
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characters of Mary Marvel and Hercules. Alright,
Mary Marvel vs. Hercules. Now, we decided to do
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this episode because Hercules is a big-time
Avengers character in the comic books. He's the
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most known for being a part of that team, as well as
the champions. But, you know, he's a prominent
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Marvel character who's fought alongside of a lot
of other Marvel characters. So we wanted to give
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him his due. He did make an appearance at the end of
the Thor 11 Thunder movie played by Brett
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Goldstein. Who knows if we're going to see that guy
again? But I really hope we do because he's an
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awesome character, and all he knows is that he's
going to beat the crap out of Mary Marvel. People
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say this. I don't know why they're smoking crack.
Because there's no way that's happening. People?
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What people? Everyone who's claiming that
Hercules is going to beat Mary Marvel. He's
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strong, and that's it. I'm pretty sure. I've seen
the Disney movie. That's all he does. Now, Mary
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Marvel, of course, is the sister of Shazam,
initially his twin sister, and later on his
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adoptive sister. But we have seen her on screen,
just like Hercules, of course, played by Grace
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Caroline Curry in the Shazam films. If she's such a
great DC character, then why is she named after
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Marvel? Because the original Captain Marvel did
not belong to Marvel, it belonged to Fawcett
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Comics, who was bought by DC. Mary Marvel has gone
through a few name changes throughout the years,
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especially since the new 52 relaunch of DC
continuity, like Lady Shazam. But they didn't
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quite stick. It's because everybody knows that
Marvel's better. I'm just going to say that. And
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Mary Marvel's going to learn that today. But to
explain the methodology behind our duels, let's
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go to our sentient dual simulator, Alfred Jarvis
9000. AJ9K tell our listeners how you go about
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determining your winner in our dual matchups.
There are many variables that can occur during
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battle. The stat parameters are based on the
official Marvel power grid from which the DC
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characters statistics are extrapolated.
Additional stat categories are included such as
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range, damage potential, versatility and
perception in order to create a more detailed and
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accurate simulation. The results of the 1000
simulations provide a percentage of wins for each
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character. The contestant with the higher
percentage is declared the victor as they have a
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higher probability to win any given battle. In an
equitable pairing, neither character should win
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100% of the matches. The comic book stories have
shown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat
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Superman, so the confidence rate of my method
falls in line with the precedents that have been
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established in the source material. My
mathematical simulations are without
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subjectivity or bias. Feats are not the sole
consideration, nor are fan votes tabulated for
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determination of the winner. Thanks, A.J .9K!
Before we run the simulations though, we'd like to
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break down each character's histories and
abilities before improvising a scenario on how we
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imagine one of the 1000 simulations would play out
beat for beat. And it's my turn to go first with the
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DC characters' backstory, so let me tell you all
about Mary Marvel. Now, Mary Batson was the twin
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sister of Billy Batson, born to archaeologists
C.C. and Marilyn Batson. While Billy remained in
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the United States, Mary accompanied her parents
on an archaeological expedition to Egypt, funded
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by the villainous scientist Thaddeus Savanna.
There, Theo Adam murdered the elder Batson's and
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kidnapped Mary, leaving her in the care of his
sister, Sarah Prim, back in America, where it was
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arranged for Mary to be illegally adopted by Nick
and Nora Bromfield. Renamed Mary Bromfield, she
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grew up in a wealthy, idealic environment unaware
of her true origins, though she was haunted by
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reoccurring dreams of a brother she had
forgotten. Meanwhile, Billy grew up in foster
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care and on the streets before being granted the
power of the wizard Shazam, allowing him to
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transform into the hero formerly known as Captain
Marvel and better known simply as Shazam. You can
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learn more about him in our Shazam vs Black Bolt
dual episode. Billy and the wizard searched for
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Mary for years without success, with Billy's only
clue to her identity and whereabouts being her
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favorite toy, a tiger doll named Takitani that had
been sent back from Egypt with the Batson's
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belongings. As luck would have it, Mary entered a
regional spelling bee in Fawcett City, where
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Billy, now working for Wiz Radio, was the MC. After
rescuing Mary from a kidnapping attempt as the
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hero Shazam, Billy noticed her resemblance to his
sister and confirmed her identity through
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private investigation. The truth revealed Billy
delivered the Takitani doll to Mary, who was again
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kidnapped by the same thugs. When Mary opened the
package and saw the doll and the papers proving her
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identity, Takitani came to life and instructed
her to speak the word Shazam to save her brother.
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Upon doing so, she was struck by magical lightning
and transformed into the divinely powered hero.
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Mary defeated the Canepers and reunited with
Billy, joining him as a member of the Marvel family
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under the name Mary Marvel. Mary fought alongside
her brother Billy and his friend Freddy Freeman,
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the hero known as Captain Marvel Jr., against a
variety of magical and superpowered threats in
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the universe known as Earth Five. After the
multiverse collapsed into one universe
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following the crisis on Infinite Earths, Mary now
shared her power with Billy and Freddy, resulting
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in a sometimes tense dynamic between the three
since the balance of magical energy shifted
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depending on whoever invoked the magical word of
Shazam. At one point, a disruption in the cosmic
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balance of magic prevented the marvels from
reverting to their mortal forms, forcing them to
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journey to the Source Wall at the edge of the
universe to repair the broken nature of magic
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itself. Mary later joined the Super Buddies, a
team of former Justice Leaguers and participated
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in several adventures before traveling with
Supergirl. Mary was killed by a cursed dagger in
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the Garden of Eden but was eventually resurrected
by one of Supergirl's allies. Following the death
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of the wizard Shazam, Mary lost her powers,
causing her to fall from the sky. Though she
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survived, she fell into a coma and was cared for by
Freddy. Upon awakening, Mary was unable to access
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her powers. Ignoring warnings, she traveled to
Gotham City and encountered Black Adam, who
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transferred his power to Mary, transforming her
into a darker version of herself with a black
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costume and mystical power. You can learn more
about Black Adam in our Black Adam vs. Apocalypse
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dual episode. Seeking guidance with her newfound
power, Mary turned to Zatanna, Clarion the
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Witchboy, and finally Eclipse, who at the time was
possessing Jean Maureen. Eclipse corrupted Mary
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and attempted to offer her to Darkseid as a
concubine, though Mary rebelled and overpowered
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her. Realizing the corruption her new powers had
caused, she rejected them, transferring the
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tainted lightning into Eclipse. Both women fell
into the ocean, but Mary washed ashore on the
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Mosquera, where she helped expose the deception
of Granny goodness, who had been impersonating
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the goddess Athena to manipulate the Amazons. You
can learn more about Granny goodness in our
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Darkseid's Elite vs. Black Order team dual
episode. After journeying through the
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multiverse with the challengers of the unknown,
Mary eventually returned to Earth to confront
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Darkseid. Secumbing to temptation, she accepted
the return of Black Adam's powers, adopting her
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black costume once again. Though ultimately
freed from Darkseid's influence by Freddy,
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Mary's exposure to Dark magic had lasting
consequences. After Darkseid's defeat, she
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sought to join Black Adam, informing a new Black
Marvel family, but was rejected. Resolving to
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operate alone, Mary became a solo heroine for a
time. Later, however, Black Adam enlisted Mary to
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join him and Isis in Seizing the Rock of Eternity,
where they stripped Billy of his power. Mary
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forced Billy to say her name, transforming him
into a corrupted Black Marvel. Together, Mary and
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Billy launched an assault on the Justice Society
of America, only to be defeated when Black Adam
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turned against Isis. When the wizard Shazam
resurrected, all four were stripped of their
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power. The wizard declared Mary and Billy
unworthy and barred them from the Rock of
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Eternity. Homeless and powerless, the twins
wandered the streets of Fawcett City. Mary was
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later tempted by the demon Blaze to kill Freddy in
exchange for restored powers, but ultimately
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sided with her brother. Together, the three
defeated Blaze and Freddy vowed to find a way to
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restore their abilities. In post-Flashpoint
continuity, Mary was no longer Billy's twin
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sister, but an unrelated older foster sister
named Mary Bromfield, the eldest foster child of
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Rosa and Victor Vazquez. Having run away from an
abuse of home, she became a maternal figure among
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the other foster children, including Freddy
Freeman, Darla Dudley, Pedro Pena, Eugene Choi,
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and later Billy Batson. When Billy was granted the
power of Shazam, he later shared his abilities
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with the other foster siblings, transforming
them into the family. Mary became a red-suited
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adult version of herself gifted with the living
lightning. Alongside her family, she fought
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Black Adam and other magical threats across the
Seven Magic Lands, hoping to restore her brothers
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from the King Kid's tyranny and battling Mr. Mind
and the Monster Society of Evil. In the aftermath
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of these events, Mary began noticing a disturbing
shift in Billy's personality, who, unbeknownst
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to her, was being influenced by the Batman who
laughs, who you could learn more about in our
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Batman Who Laughs vs. Cosmic Ghostwriter
episode. Billy became erratic and aggressive,
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distancing himself from the rest of the Shazam
family. After tracking him to a confrontation
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with the war god Ares, Mary attempted to help Billy
by fighting at Ares' side against her adopted
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brother. Billy feigned remorse and tricked Mary
into lowering her guard, using his corrupted
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magic to infect her with the same dark influence
that had overtaken him. Mary transformed,
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adopting a more volatile demeanor, until the
corrupting force lost its grip following the fall
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of the Batman Who Laughs. The Shazam family lost
their powers as Billy's connection to the Rock of
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Eternity weakened. Mary visited Billy at Titans
Academy, urging him to see Freddy, whose health
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was deteriorating without magic. Not long after,
Mary enrolled at Vassier College, attempting to
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live a normal life. However, she was summoned by
Hoppy, the magical rabbit, sent by Billy to
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deliver a message that she was now the new champion
of Shazam. After stopping a bank robbery as Lady
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Shazam, Mary soon discovered her foster parents
had gone missing. Transferring to Fawcett City
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Community College, she began investigating a
string of disappearances tied to mysterious
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magical technology. Facing villains like
Disaster Master and Babbel, Mary unraveled the
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mystery behind the abductions, ultimately
discovering that Georgia's Savanna, the
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daughter of Thaddeus Savanna, was responsible.
Mary rescued the kidnapped townspeople,
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defeated Savanna, and fully embraced her role as
the new champion of Shazam. It wasn't long,
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however, that Mary sacrificed her powers during
an attack by the goddess Hera on humanity, after
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which one of Roman's recently deceased mother,
Hippolyta, now ascended to Godhood, declared
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Mary worthy of her own unique empowerment.
Granting her the blessings of a new pantheon of
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goddesses, Hippolyta severed Mary's dependence
on the wizard Shazam, establishing her as a divine
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champion in her own right. Powers-wise, Mary
Marvel possesses the magical ability to
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transform into a superpowered version of herself
by saying the word Shazam. In her earlier
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incarnations, her powers derived from the wizard
Shazam and were shared with her siblings.
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Currently, however, Mary has her own distinct
powersets by a new pantheon of goddesses, the
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agility of Selene, the strength of Hippolyta, the
stamina of Artemis, the flight of Zephyrus, the
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invulnerability of Aurora, and the wisdom of
Minerva. Though she still transforms using the
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word Shazam, she no longer bears the wizard's
living lightning, though she could still summon
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Zeus's Thunderbolts. That's Mary Marvel. How
does she summon lightning if she doesn't have the
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power of Zeus anymore? I don't know, man. She just
does. Zeus hears her and lightning happens.
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Actually, this list of goddesses is pretty close
to her original list of deities, like Pre-Crisis,
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whom she derived her powers from. Oh,
interesting. Okay. And what is her current
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superhero name in the comics? Mary Marvel. Okay.
All right. I just wanted to hear that. DC's really
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got to get over the Marvel thing, man. Like, they
just got to accept the fact that Marvel should own
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any superhero name pertaining to Marvel. Uh, no, I
think we'll keep it. She was for a while called Mary
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Shazam, and that just sounds bad. That does sound
really bad. Well, let me tell you all about the
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Marvel version of Hercules. Heracles
Panhellenios was born in ancient Greece as the son
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of a mortal woman, Alcmenna, and Zeus, king of the
Olympian gods. Zeus seduced Alcmenna by
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disguising himself as her husband, Amphitrion.
Upon discovering the affair, Zeus's wife Hera
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became wrathful and tried to kill the child. Even
as an infant, Heracles displayed supernatural
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strength by strangling two serpents Hera sent to
kill him in his crib. Hoping to appease the
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goddess, the child was named Heracles, meaning
the glory of Hera, though it did nothing to prevent
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her wrath. Heracles was raised by Amphitrion and
trained in various forms of combat. As a youth, he
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accidentally killed his music teacher and was
sent away to learn to control his strength and
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pursue a life of heroism. He eventually defended
the city of Thebes from a group of minion pirates
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and as a reward was given the hand of the princess
Magara, daughter of King Crian. They had two
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children and lived peacefully. Zeus, wanting
Heracles to prove himself worthy of immortality,
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arranged for him to serve his cousin, who
instructed Heracles to complete a series of 12
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impossible tasks. These would later become known
as the 12 labors of Hercules. The first labor was to
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slay the Nemean lion, whose hide was impervious to
weapons. Heracles strangled the beast and wore
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its pelt as armor. Next, he traveled to Lerno to
face the Hydra, a multi-headed serpent that
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regrew two heads for everyone severed. With help
from his nephew Iolus, who cauterized the necks,
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Heracles defeated the creature and dipped his
arrows in its poisonous blood. Additional tasks
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including capturing the Arimathean boar,
hunting the sacred Serenane Hyned of Artemis, and
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dispersing the Stemphalian birds created by
Ares. He cleaned the Aegean stables by diverting
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two rivers, captured the Cretan bull, stole the
man-eating mares of Diomedes, and obtained the
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Amazon Queen Hippolyta's Golden Girdle. He then
slew the three-bodied Gurian to claim his red
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cattle and tricked the Titan Atlas into helping
him retrieve Golden Apples from the Garden of
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Hesperides. The final labor was the most
harrowing, descending into the underworld to
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retrieve Cerberus, the three-headed guard dog of
Hades. His success completing all 12 labors
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earned him recognition from the gods, but his
return to his home of Thebes was marked by tragedy.
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During his absence, Thebes had been overtaken by
an outside nobleman named Lycus, who killed King
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Crian and condemned Megara and her children to
death. Blood lusted and driven mad by a curse from
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Hera, Heracles killed not only Lycus, but also his
wife Megara and their two sons. Haunted by shame,
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he began using the Romanized version of his name,
Hercules, to distance himself from both Hera and
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his past. Hercules adventured across the ancient
world. He killed Keknos, son of Ares, who was
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murdering travelers to construct a temple from
their bones. When King Glamiden of Troy refused to
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pay Hercules for saving his daughter from a sea
monster, Hercules raised the city, killing the
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king and all his sons saved one. He battled the
river god Acherus for the hand of Daenerys, who
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would become his next wife. Eventually, Hercules
met his mortal end after Daenerys, fearing that he
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had been unfaithful, unknowingly poisoned him
with what she believed was a love potion. Feeling
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sympathy for his son, Zeus separated Hercules'
mortal body from his divine spirit and raised him
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to Olympus as the new god of strength. Though now
divine, Hercules retained his love for adventure
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and he returned to earth often. He participated in
the first Olympic games, allegedly battled
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Vikings, and claimed an affair with Marie
Antoinette. During World War II, he fought for the
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Greek resistance while disguised as the
Submariner to avoid punishment from Olympus for
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intervening in human affairs. In the modern era,
he emerged again and met Thor, joining him on the
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Avengers. Deceived into signing a contract by
Pluto, Hercules was nearly trapped in the
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underworld again until Thor rescued him. He later
fell under the Enchantress's spell and fought the
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Avengers before regaining his senses. Exiled
from Olympus for coming to earth without
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permission, Hercules remained with the
Avengers, battling Dragon Man, Typhon, and Ares.
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You can learn more about the Avengers and their
team duel against the Justice League. Hercules
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became a founding member of another superhero
team called the Champions, alongside Black
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Widow, Iceman, Angel, and Goshreiter. He and
Black Widow developed a romantic interlude.
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Later, Hercules was beaten into a coma by the
Masters of Evil after attempting to battle them
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alone while intoxicated. Zeus blamed the
Avengers for his son's coma and imprisoned them in
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Hades, but Hercules awoke, cleared their names,
and brokered peace. You can learn more about the
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Masters of Evil and their team duel against the
Hercules later helped fight the High
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Evolutionary and Dr. Doom. He was devastated by
the apparent deaths of the Avengers during their
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battle with Onslaught, a psychic entity you can
learn more about in his duel against Parallax. He
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joined Heroes for Hire and Shield before
rejoining the Avengers upon the Hero's return and
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fought with the team until its dissolution at the
hands of the Scarlet Witch, who split the team
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apart in a fit of madness. You can learn more about
that in the 10 versus Scarlet Witch duel episode.
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Without his team, Hercules fell into depression,
a moment of vulnerability exploited by Hera and
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Eurystheus. They challenged him to complete a
modern version of the 12 labors, this time as part
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of a reality television show. Among his
challenges, Hercules captured a Sabertooth
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Tiger in the Savage Land, defeated a Hydra
genetically created by Hydra, captured the
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teleporting dog Lockjaw from the Blue Area of the
Moon, fought Dragon Man, and drove Atuma's Hordes
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from Atlantis. Later tasks involved surviving
Red Skull's Dust of Death, defeating the
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Abomination, capturing a monster in Hawaii,
stealing Captain America's Shield, retrieving a
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Doombot from Laveria, dragging a Shield
Helicarrier by Chain, and returning to the
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Underworld to retrieve a flower from his former
wife, Megara. In Hades, Megara and their children
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forgave Hercules for their murder,
understanding Hera's role in the tragedy, and she
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gave him a flower of love. He opposed the
Superhuman Registration Act during the
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superhero Civil War and joined Captain America's
Secret Avengers. In the final battle, he
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destroyed the Thor clone Ragnarok, claiming it
was an insult to the real Thor. He later formed the
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Renegades with Amadeus Cho, Namora, and others to
aid the Hulk upon his return from being exiled by
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some of Earth's heroes to space, empathizing with
a fellow warrior. When the Skrulls secretly
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invaded Earth on behalf of their alien deities,
Hercules led a team of gods from multiple
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pantheons called the God Squad. This included
Snowbird, the Inuit Demigoddess, Ajek, the
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Eternal, the Egyptian Godslayer Demigorge, and
Mikaboshi, the Shinto God of Chaos. Together,
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they slayed the Skrull gods, Kleibin and Sigurt.
Eventually, Mikaboshi evolved into a new entity
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called the Chaos King and began destroying all
realms of the afterlife. Hercules reunited with
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the God Squad to seal the entity away, but he
expanded all his godly energy in the process,
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becoming mortal. Hercules settled in Brooklyn,
bartending at a Greek restaurant and using
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magical weapons from his brother Aerys' armory,
such as the Sword of Pellius and Perseus' shield.
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During the Norse god of fear, the Serpent's
attack, Hercules helped save Brooklyn from
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becoming a Hellscape and became a local hero. He
later served as a guest instructor at the Avengers
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Academy and fought against a new pantheon of gods
that included the God of Data and the Goddess of
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Vanity. After defeating them, he declined to
return to Olympus, choosing instead to live among
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mortals. Hercules rejoined the Avengers during
their fight against King the Conqueror and later
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helped a new iteration of the champions,
eventually regaining his godhood with help from
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god particle scientist, Roshna Cole. He later
learned Nix, the Greek goddess of night, had slain
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most of the Olympian gods, who subsequently
returned in a corrupted form. Hercules was
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captured by these dark gods, but was rescued by the
Guardians of the Galaxy. After helping that team
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exile the dark gods, Hercules returned to Earth
and helped the Avengers fight off a vampire
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invasion. And that's Hercules' backstory.
Powers-wise, Hercules, as the Greek god of
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strength, is the physically strongest of all the
Olympian gods, unable to lift well in excess of 100
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tons. He is also the most durable of his pantheon,
with his invulnerability, unable to run at speeds
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around 100mph and leap 100 feet in the air. His
immortality grants him limitless stamina,
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regenerative healing, and toxin resistance. He
is a master combatant in Greco-Roman wrestling
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and wields a number of mythological weapons,
including his indestructible adamantine mace
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forged by his brother Hephaestus, the sword of
Pellius, a curved syca forged by the centaur
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Kyren, the shield of Perseus, which can
temporarily turn observers to stone when the
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shield's covers removed, and the bow of Hercules,
with arrows dipped in hydra blood. And that is
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Hercules. Okay, so he just carries all of these
weapons around with him at all times? Usually when
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I see him, he's just holding this golden hammer
club thing. Well, modern comics, Hercules is
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usually depicted actually with his mace and the
sword of Pellius, but he's gone on multiple
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adventures with the shield. Actually, I less
commonly see him use the bow, but it's his, it's
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named after him, it's the bow of Hercules, and
yeah, he'll have it for this fight. Okay, cheater.
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At the very least, he'll have the mace and the
sword, because he almost always carries those
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around now. They're like strapped on his back like
an X, but we'll say that the shield covers that, and
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then you know, the bow is just strapped to his side,
we'll say, I don't know. Yeah, having the sword and
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the shield and the mace and the quiver and the bow on
his back is a lot. That's, it's probably too much,
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you're right. I guess he won't have the bow for this
match, since yeah, it's less commonly used, but
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he'll at least have his sword, his shield, and his
mace. We'll say that. Dual, where comic book
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titans smash every Tuesday. Max destruction,
where TV and action heroes battle every
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Wednesday, and Sendro World, where anime
champions clash every Thursday. Join us as we
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speculate on the matches and armed with the power
of mathematical simulations, discover who will
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emerge victorious. Visit dynamicpodcast.com,
where we settle the debate and settle the score.
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But now that we got their histories and abilities
out of the way, let's speculate on how one of the
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1000 simulated matches will go. The winner is
determined by simulations, not the speculation,
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but it's fun to imagine how this fight could play
out. AJ9K, what are the rules or speculation?
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Well, I should say there are no rules other than the
characters have no prior knowledge of the other
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going into the fight. All they are aware of
starting out is that the other character is a
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threat that needs to be eliminated. For the
speculation, the contestants will begin
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approximately 50 meters apart in a nondescript
environment that will have no bearing on the match
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itself, as no environmental statistics are
considered in my simulations. The contestants
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must earn victory on their own merit. Alright,
then let's get into it. Mary Marble and Hercules
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meet on the battlefield. Who goes first? Now, I
will admit that probably because of the wisdom of
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Minerva, Mary Marble wouldn't go first and would
probably wait to observe where Hercules would do.
548
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Yeah, plus Hercules is more belligerent than
Mary, right? So yeah, he's gonna go first, and he's
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gonna start out by pulling out his Mace, his
adamantine Mace, and he's gonna slam it into the
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ground, which is gonna create this big
earth-shattering earthquake that's gonna open
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this fissure that travels along the ground and
knocks Mary into the air with seismic force. Okay,
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yeah, that's fine. Mary stays floating in the air
thanks to the flight of Zephyrus, one of her
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powers, and she's probably gonna snatch one of the
boulders that are also flung upward, and she's
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gonna hurl that sucker right at Hercules with the
strength of Hippolyta. Alright, so Hercules sees
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this boulder being thrown at him, and he's gonna
spin around while holding his Mace out, kind of
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like how an Olympian would do in the Hammer Throw
event at the Olympics, and he's gonna let go of the
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Mace hurling it at the boulder, which just
explodes the rock into pebbles in the air, and the
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Mace is actually gonna travel through the boulder
and slam right into Mary Marble, which is gonna
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knock her out of the air, and she's probably like in
a coma now on the ground. Now, she has the agility of
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Selene, so Mary's actually gonna dodge the Mace,
and she's gonna rock it down into the ground and
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cause her own like miniature earthquake that's
gonna knock Hercules into the air, and that's
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gonna give her this opening, and she's going to
just uppercut him right into the stratosphere.
563
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No, no, she tries to uppercut him, but he catches
her fist as she tries to, and then he's gonna
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grapple her flinging her over his shoulder, and
then position her head down to do this like pile
565
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driver move right into the ground. So he slams her
down, and now they're both in this big crater.
566
00:56:00,260 --> 00:56:06,800
Okay, well, you know, thanks to the
invulnerability of Aurora, Mary's not that hurt.
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And with Hercules on top of her pinning her down,
that's when Mary is going to just call out Shazam
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summoning Zeus's lightning, which is gonna crash
into Hercules and just stun the shit out of him. And
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with him dazed, that's when Mary just kicks
Hercules right in the balls with all of her
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00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:30,680
strength. No, no, Hercules has his shield on his
back. So he's not going to be stunned from Zeus's
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lightning, because the shield is going to protect
him. So he's going to leap to his feet, you know,
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dodging this kick from Mary Marvel, and then he's
going to equip the shield of Perseus and the sword
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of Pellius from off his back into his arms. And he's
going to raise the sword above his head and come
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down with a mighty chop that's just going to finish
Mary Marvel off and end this match. Well, except
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when Hercules is coming down on her with his sword,
Mary's gonna, you know, clap her hands together
576
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above her, stopping the blade in her palms. And
that's when she's going to scream again, Shazam a
577
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:07,880
second time. And a lightning bullet is going to
come down, strike the tip of the blade, and that
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electricity is going to move through the sword
into Hercules body and just fry his brain. And
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yeah, since the lightning passed through Mary,
she probably transforms back into her mortal
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form. But since Hercules is now dead, it doesn't
matter. She wins. Now, I think Hercules is too
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00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:31,240
durable to be finished with just one bolt of magic
lightning. You know, he's hurt for sure, but he's
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not dead. He's on the ground, injured. And as Mary
stands up, you know, she's in her mortal form now.
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From the ground, Hercules just chucks his shield
right at her, walloping her and taking her out
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because she doesn't have her enhanced durability
anymore. Oh no, I mean, she saw that Hercules
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didn't die from this electricity. So right away,
she's going to cry out Shazam once again, as the
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shield is hurtling towards her. And the lightning
bolt that strikes her, allowing her to transform
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the energy from that ricochets the shield back
toward Hercules. And it's just going to
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decapitate him straight up. Okay. No, but
Hercules is not a chump who'd get taken out with his
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own shield. Okay, these catches the shield as it
ricochets back toward him. But that lightning
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bolt explosion, just incinerated the cloth cover
that was over the shield. So Hercules wheels the
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shield again, and Medusa's face is now visible on
the front of the shield, and her eyes glow green,
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and the shield turns Mary Marvel into stone. And
that's when Hercules leaps over and just double
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drop kicks the Mary Marvel statue, and she gets
shattered to gravel for sure, ending this match.
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00:58:42,100 --> 00:58:47,560
Well, I mean, you're right about the lightning
bolt incinerating the shield cover, but not right
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about Hercules catching it because as it was
traveling back toward him, he saw Medusa's visage
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in the shield. So he turned to stone first, after
which the shield just shattered him to gravel as it
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collided with him. And Mary Marvel knew this was
going to happen, because you know, she recognized
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the shield cover due to her wisdom of Minerva. How
would she recognize the shield cover? Just
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because the shield exists in Greek mythology
doesn't mean it's going to be like the same looking
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shield with the same looking cover. Of course it
does, bro. Of course it does. And even if it wasn't
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the same, Minerva would recognize it. Well, you
better recognize that's dumb. But let's find out
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which of these scenarios happens. Either the
shield of Perseus turns Mary Marvel into stone and
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then he kicks her to pieces, or the shield of
Perseus turns Hercules into stone as it's
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traveling toward him and then crashes into him,
shattering him to pieces. Let's go ahead and find
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out which of these scenarios happens by inputting
the character stats, running their simulations,
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and coming back with a winner. AJ9K hit it.
Inputting data, running calculations,
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processing results, simulations complete.
Okay, so this was a pretty decent matchup way
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better than I thought it was going to be initially
because I figured Mary Marvel has all of the
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powers, but it turned out they were pretty
comparable to Hercules. Yeah, I guess the main
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01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:15,960
difference was that Mary Marvel had the lightning
and the power of flight, but Hercules had a few
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01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:20,020
weapons that gave them the edge in a few
categories. Right off the bat, we said that Mary
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Marvel was faster than Hercules. There's just no
denying that. But since we accounted for the
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weapons that Hercules had in the speculation, in
these stats, we said that Hercules had a slight
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edge in evasiveness because he had his shield. For
the purposes of the stats we gave him his shield,
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01:00:36,380 --> 01:00:41,420
his mace, and his sword. Yeah, Hercules also got
the edge when it came to fighting since he's an
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01:00:41,420 --> 01:00:48,200
expert in wrestling and range, surprisingly,
because Mary Marvel doesn't wield her lightning
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01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:53,080
in the same way that Billy does, especially now in
the comics. Yeah, whereas Hercules can throw all
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of his weapons with great strength and accuracy.
We did give Mary Marvel the edge when it came to
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perception thanks to her wisdom of Minerva,
allows her to see things that normal people
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wouldn't be able to see. But for the rest of the
stats, from durability, strength, damage, and
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versatility, they were even. So, Joseph, with all
of the stats and consideration, who do you think
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came out on top? I'm going to give it to my boy,
Hercules. I've got to give it to him. I think what he
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lacks in lightning power, he makes up for in being a
badass with his mace and a few of the other weapons
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from Ares' armory. And Instagram agrees with me
because 65% of the poll takers sided with
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01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:37,780
Hercules, believing that he'll win. Which
baffles me because... Why? It's freaking Mary
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01:01:37,780 --> 01:01:42,780
Marvel. She essentially has the powers of Shazam,
this insanely powerful Superman-level
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01:01:42,780 --> 01:01:47,340
character. Yeah, but Hercules is like a
well-established Greek mythological figure,
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01:01:47,340 --> 01:01:53,960
whereas Mary Marvel's just this side character in
the Shazam comic book mythos. Hercules is a Disney
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01:01:53,960 --> 01:02:00,160
cartoon, bro. You're thinking of the wrong
Hercules that people are familiar with. Let's
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find out if you and our Instagram poll takers have
any clue what they're talking about. AJ9K, the
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results, please. Here you are, sir. The winner of
the matchup between Mary Marvel and Hercules
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is... Fucking Hercules. Hercules, Hercules,
Hercules. He won by 577 of the 1000 matches or
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01:02:27,660 --> 01:02:36,560
57.7%. Mary Marvel won 423 of those 1000 matches.
To me, this makes sense. You know, there's some
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people out there that may balk at me giving
Hercules the mace and the sword and the shield, but
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01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:46,800
a lot of current depictions have him wielding both
the sword and the mace. And even if he just had the
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01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:52,380
mace, you know, he could use that defensively in
the same way that Thor uses Mjolnir. The only thing
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that just the mace would do for him statistically
is that it would lower his versatility because he
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wouldn't be able to turn Mary Marvel into stone
with the shield of Perseus. So take that away, and
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01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:07,800
this is still a coin toss. So either way, you can't
discount Hercules beating Mary Marvel. I hate
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01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:14,580
that Hercules won. Like, Mary Marvel is just too
near and dear to DC fans' hearts. Hercules is just a
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01:03:14,580 --> 01:03:21,400
jerk. He's Jerkely's. Jerkely's. Now, he's a
pretty endearing character, too. He has a good
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heart in the comic books. I can't wait to see him in
live action. Hopefully, you know, they do
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01:03:25,820 --> 01:03:30,640
something with the character besides just that
end credit stinger that we saw in Thor 11 Thunder.
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But that does it for this duel, guys. HN9K, help
close us out. MaxDistruction, Senjo World, and
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Console Combat. As I mentioned earlier, our next
episode is going to be another team duel this time,
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repeating DC's Infinity Inc. against Marvel's
new warriors. Yeah, I don't know much about
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Infinity Inc. I guess they're kind of a legacy team
for the Justice Society. Right. So they're like a
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younger group, but sort of the new warriors, which
consists of characters like Nova, Speedball,
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01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:32,180
Night Thrasher, people like that. We'll break
down the rosters and the team's histories in our
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next episode. But that does it for this episode. We
want to give a big thanks to our executive
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producers, John Starosky, Zachary Hepburn,
Dustin Belcom, Mickey Muthinkean, Brandon
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Essigard, Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Yatn, Austin
Wazalowski, AJ Dunkerly, Nick Obanto, Scott
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01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:52,080
Camacho, Gil Camacho, Adam Spees, Dean Molesky,
Devin Davis, Joseph Kirsting, Josh Leiner, Mike
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01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:57,440
Williams, Oscar Galvez, and Paul Graves for
helping make this podcast possible. We'll talk to
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you guys next week. Up, up, and away, true
believers. Do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do
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you, do you? Now do you think you love me, Mary
Marvel?