The Sandra Birchmore Case with Boston Bea, Mizzy and Cousin Barb!

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Hello, Hello, Hello, welcome back to Calling All Beings. I
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am your host for the day, Boston Via, and thank
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everybody for joining. I see the chat's been active, so
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I do appreciate all the support and everybody coming in
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here to get informed about this very important case. We
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have a federal trial coming up in October and it's
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regarding Sander birchmore So, without further ado, I have my
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friend Missy here back waiting to come in, and uh,
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let's do this.
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Welcome back, Good to see you.
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I was so excited, I was stumbling over my words.
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How you been I'm okay, I'm alive. Okay, I hear you.
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So backstage, thank you for being here. Again. Backstage, we
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have a very special person.
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This is Sandra's cousin and who is a fierce advocate
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alongside with Mizzy. So again, without further ado, let's bring
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in Barb.
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Hey, Barb, good to see you. Thank you.
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Welcome in Calling All Beings. I know it's your first
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time on. Missy's a veteran, so she's been here before,
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so so.
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There's a lot to talk about. But I think Barb,
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if you don't mind, I want to start with you.
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How would you describe Sandra to someone who had never
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had the chance to meet her.
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I would say she was small but mighty, very feisty,
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very very very intelligent, funny, caring, just uh yeah, a
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lot packed in that little body.
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Oh yeah, What are some of your favorite memories of Sandra?
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Oh? My gosh. I think the first memory of Sandra
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was when we were at a family cookout and I
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called her Sandy and she now, she looked at me
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with had her fists up in the air, and she
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stopped her feet and she said, don't ever call me Sandy,
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and she stormed off. She was like seven years old,
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just a little tiny thing, and I was just standing there,
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going what just happened?
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Second, that's one of the reasons why when somebody mispronounced
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her name, we're so fierce about no, it's Sandra, yeah right,
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because that's what she would.
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Want exactly, exactly. Yeah. But she was very compassionate, very tinme.
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She I went through a lot around twenty eighteen, nineteen
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twenty twenty, I was going through a lot living in
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Seattle by myself, and she would check on me almost
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every single day. She told me to call her twenty
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four to seven. I don't care if you wake me up,
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if you're having a crisis, call me. And I say
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this a lot. If you look at her Facebook page,
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it looks like one big giant public service announcement. The
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street's closed, there's a missing cat, someone helped find his cat.
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No school tomorrow because the snow, and all these inspirational
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and also sadly, a lot of stories about law enforcement heroes,
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you know, police heroic stories about police, this fundraiser for
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this injured officer, and a lot of coltes and memes
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from local police departments, including like Dartmouth Police. I think
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she did a little training thing with them for a
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little while. So yeah, her Facebook page is just full
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of it's just amazing stuff.
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So do you think she potentially wanted to get into
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law enforcement? I know she was in She was an
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assistant teacher correct at.
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A local she was she was a teacher's teachers aid.
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She just wanted to help people in any way she could,
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anyway she possibly could. That was what she wanted to do. Eventually,
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she wanted to be a nurse.
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Oh okay, yeah, so Mizzi, I know you've been a fierce,
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fierce advocate.
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I just the work you've put put into this case.
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And you know, in you and Barbe, I know have
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become amazing friends throughout all of this. I'm sure there's
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not a day that goes by that you're not talking
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to each other, checking in on each other.
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So you know, I admire you.
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Know your want to wanting to get be involved in
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wanting the best for the family. So to you, what
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do you think justice for Sandra looks like to the family.
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One is getting Matthew Farwell convicted, and then there's a
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part two is getting the other people who are involved
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in this case, you know, rested by the state or
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if there is a conspiracy chart that the FEDS can bring. However,
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however it comes that, you know, Farwell isn't the only
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person who is pays for this. It has to be
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the other people. And I know what to move on
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to the civil case where a lot of other stuff
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will come out, A lot of stuff is going to
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come out there, and that they can just the truth,
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the whole truth coming out, no matter how ugly it is,
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the truth coming up out so people can see what
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they did to Sandra. And I know Barbara and I
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have talked about her legacy going forward, so she isn't
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just this girl who was groomed and abused that people
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can learn from what happened to Sandra and her name
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becomes more associated with that and not what happened to her.
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Yeah, that makes that makes sense. So let's see, let's
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see what we can take this now. So do you
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want to give Missia quick overview? I know, you know,
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just a high level overview of her story.
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Yeah.
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When Sandra was twelve, she during the Explorer's program like
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as a almost like a junior. She was about to
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turn thirteen when the program that session started, so she
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had to wait till she was fully thirteen, so she
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would go and basically sit on the sidelines and watch,
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and from basically jump they started grooming her, especially Matthew Farwell.
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She was groomed basically from twelve thirteen to when she
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died at twenty three. At fifteen, let me backtrack, Matthew
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Farwell started to ingratiate himself into her life, texting her,
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messaging her on Facebook, and then that continued till she
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was fifteen when it turned physical and he started physically
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abusing her. Their twisted relationship continued until she was twenty
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three and she ended up getting pregnant, and unfortunately, in
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that timeframe, Matthew's violence with her started escalating and another
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unfortunate incident, her friend called the police station to report
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an incident between her and Sandra. She was looking to
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get her money back and Sandra wasn't paying it back,
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and she said, well, we tell Matthew Farwell to tell
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his girlfriend to pay me back, and that kind of
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opened up a can of worms where Farwell started spirally
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and on February first, twenty twenty one, he showed up
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to Sandra's apartment for the last time and he allegedly,
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you know, strangled her, strewing her up to make it
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look like she hung hung herself in a partial hanging.
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She was fully seated on the floor. It's a very
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unusual way to unlive yourself, and he crept out of
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her apartment. He was the last person to see her.
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Her phone stopped moving three minutes before he left, and
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because there was a nor'easter, her body wasn't found till
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February fourth, when her work called for it a wellness check.
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Canton Police Department some patrolmen and they ended up finding Sandra.
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And that's where the corruption part of her story starts
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taking goes a little haywire, and and that's why Matthew
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Farwell was on the streets for three and a half years.
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They basically called it an aliving from self unliving from
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the very beginning, and there were things like Matthew. They
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interviewed Firewell. This happened on the fourth, the sixth. They
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had viewed Firewell in a school parking lot and for
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like twenty minutes a half hour, and then it just
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keeps going from there. He turned in his phone, but
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they he deleted all the messages. I don't know if
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he totally deleted his his whole phone factory said it,
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or if he just deleted the messages between him and
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Sandra on Facebook and yeah message my message. So there
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were no messages on his phone, but they had all
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her messages messages. Let me make sure people understand that
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the state Police had all these messages from Sandra's devices,
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and Trooper Fanning wrote a report saying he personally read
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them and.
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They didn't even have to extract them, right, missy, they
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were just there sitting there. Right.
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They had to get them off her devices because at
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some point they would return them. But they could just
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read them off of her devices if they want, but
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they usually extract it so they can keep that.
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Oh yeah, I know.
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So they had all these text messages and when you
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go back to the crime scene, there was a necklace
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that was shown to be attached to her still in
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the crime scene photos, but it ended up falling off,
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probably when her body was moved. They didn't collect it.
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So it was just a sloppy, watched job from the beginning.
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And like I said, it just kept going and going
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and going, and finally in two thousand and twenty three
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was it?
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Four?
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Yeah, twenty three, twenty three the Feds came in. Oh wait,
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twenty twenty.
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One, right, it was August twenty four.
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I know the Feds took the report from Stoke the
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police department, but in twenty twenty three is when they
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started investigating this catches and then they arrested him on
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August twenty eighth, twenty twenty four.
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Gotcha.
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Okay, So, Barb, what do you think is the biggest
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an unanswered question surrounding Sandra's death?
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For you?
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Are you gonna hear the word guilty? I want to
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hear guilty, right, guilty? Lock him up and throw away
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the key, please, that's what I want.
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That's me too. Can I say People say to us
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all the time, Oh, it's a slam dunk case. You
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can see it's it's slam dunk. It's not. It's not,
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especially since one the defense is gonna tear Sandra down.
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They're gonna repertishans, they've already started doing it. And then
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to defense have to prove this portion of the case
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because the federal government doesn't handle straight up murders. They
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had to get him on murdering a witness and they
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have proved that element for to be convicted. So there's
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a lot that people don't understand that it's gonna it's
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gonna be a little bit of an uphill battle because
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the defense is just gonna keep putting that in the
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the journeys. They're gonna hammer it home and it's gonna
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you know, so people need to say this. That's why
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getting a DA in that office who will go after
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state charges there they're the backup so if if this fails,
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they can they can go after him. In that case
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is so much easier because all they have to do
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is go for murder. They don't have any special circumstance
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right right.
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And they have him.
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He's the last one to enter and her phone stops working.
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So and I remember when Matthew was arrested. That didn't
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the Feds come out and say, we're handing this information
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to Norfolk County DA's office. We're coming up and so
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we're in August now. So it happened two years ago
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and they've done nothing. Morrissey just kind of and it's
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incredible that that, you know, to date, not a word
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since from the Norfolk County Day's office. I mean, correct
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me if I'm wrong, But the.
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Said is that it's still that it's still an cell unliving.
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Even though the manner of right that it was a
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manner of death that was changed.
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He hasn't. He has not set a statement since that.
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Wow.
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And the reason why the manner of death was changed
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is because the Massachusetts State Police were playing playing games.
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They were playing hide the ball. They're supposed to when
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they get more information about a case, they're supposed to
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bring that to the medical examiner, so the medical examiner
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can reevaluate something like that. Because they're saying that, you know,
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all the cant and police sign an affidam and saying
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it was a self unliving and then the Massachusetts State
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Police also did that, and so they're supposed to go
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back and tell them, you know that the thing about
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him leaving three minutes after her phone stopped moving is
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a big deal. The fact that she didn't you her
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phone after he left. That Sandra's phone was like it
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was like attached to her hand. You can even see
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it in some of the video of her going in
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and out. The first thing she does once that el
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Vado uh opened, she she picks up her phone and
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puts it, you know, and starts looking at it. So
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it's like for her someone in her age. First of all,
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she was in a text message thread with Barb. She
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was snap chatting with the coworker and I believe snapchatting
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with another front or texting with another frond. So it's like, you,
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come on, she's not gonna tell these tell these three
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people that she she just got dumped by the father, like,
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come on, they and they had broken up a bunch
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of times before too, So it's it's it's uh, it
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doesn't make any sense that she would have she she
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would have gone that route, especially since she was already
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telling co workers and friends that she was ready to
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raise this baby on her own. She had what she wanted.
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She was pregnant. That's all Sandra wanted. I mean, throw
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away the man. She just wanted to be pregnant. That
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was once she was pregnant, that was the most important
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thing to her. Yeah, Barb could tell you how much
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Sandra would you know, message her and talk call her
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about certain things.
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Right, I mean she was trying to make a good
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thing out of a powerful situation. I mean he was
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really in total control of her life. He was. She
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was having to share her location services with him. She
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had he had a tracker on her car, and that
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was a new car to her. She had just gotten
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it in October, and he slapped that thing on, you know,
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as fast as she could. She couldn't get away from him.
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And she was just trying to get some joy out
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of her life, you know, basically, yeah, right.
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What has the family learned through this experience that they
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wish other families could know by.
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Just to be really careful with your kids and don't
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just send them off to camp or to a program
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without checking it out, making sure that they're never alone
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with that an adult in the program chick, talk to
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other parents that are in the program, you know, and
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and show up unannounced once in a while see what's
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going on. Yeah, absolutely, that's.
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The key one. So they don't know, they never know
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when you're going to show up. Yeah, that puts a
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little bit of a fear into them that they could
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get caught.
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Yeah, and talk to your children. Yeah, it was very
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very good at keeping secrets though. I I mean, I
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tried so hard to find out who the father of
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the baby was and what was going on in her
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life because red flags were going up all over the
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place for me and she. I tried to talk to
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her and she would just clear up on me and
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that would be the end of the conversation. So it's fun.
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But yeah, you have at all times what they're doing.
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So with the trial coming up, do you have any
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expectations as long as have they said how long the
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trial should last?
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Four weeks?
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Four weeks?
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I assume it probably go about five or six.
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They're going to do three full days, two half days.
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Okay, that could change too though, next question, you know,
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but yeah, yeah, that could change. I assume it.
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Might go a little longer, right, And do you are
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you guys planning on going, and yeah, it's also in
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the middle of Boston, so it's definitely.
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Right up in New Hampshire and I'm down in Easton.
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I don't drive, so I'm doing the best thing you
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can to make orientel rides. So yeah, I want to
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make sure that I'm there on Verdict day so I
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can hear them say guilty, yes, yes, as.
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Much as I can.
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My gold originally was to go every day, but things
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have changed in my life, so.
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Mm hmmm, mm hmm.
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Yeah, So what would this question is for both of you?
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What would you want.
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People watching this interview today to take away from Sandra's story?
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M hmm.
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I won't let you go first.
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I guess you could. It's what I just said. I mean,
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it's a cautionary tale. You know, parents need to be
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aware and it's so much harder nowadays with technology. Kids
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are always on the computer and you don't know who
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they're talking to. You have to know who your kids
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are talking to. Yeah, you know, and just because someone's
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a cop or a doctor or whatever, you don't let
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your child hang out with them all the time alone. Yeah.
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Right, Yeah, that.
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Was what was happening with Matthew he was, you know,
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going to the library with Sandra, and you.
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Know, yeah, I just love to be alone in the library,
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especially nowadays and everybody's on the funded devices and.
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What are people what's anybody gonna think is weird? Oh
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there's an officer over there, like, yeah, hanging out with
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this girl. She must be special, you know, not thinking
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oh that's weird. You know. So for me, I just
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want her legacy to be more than what happened to her,
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kind of a piggyback off Barbe. I want her legacy
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to be someone who someone people can look at and
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you know, parents can look at and say, we don't
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want this to happen to our child, and for them
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to learn from her, and also just for her to
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not be known as the girl who was you know,
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abused and exploited and and murdered. You know, she was,
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like bar said, a cautionary tale. She was a young
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woman who was totally taken advantage of by the people
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were supposed to trust the most. You know, if this
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wasn't I mean, yes, when it's a a I mean
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a priest, you're supposed to be able to trust. But
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when it's a pre priest or a coach, like it's
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stepped down. But when it's a police officer, somebody that
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you're supposed to send go to for help, it's such
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an egregious violation of you know, not just that person,
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but the community pack that we all have with the police,
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a police station and cops.
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And if you see something, say something. Because people obviously
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saw something and didn't say something, you know.
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That's part of the problem. Other officers did not step
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up that that blue wall. It wasn't the line, it
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was the wall that they nobody stepped up. Like can
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you imagine if that officer who took that phone or
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whoever took that phone call, whether it was a dispatcher
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or or an officer, had gone to the supervisors, you know,
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instead of farewell, we might be in a different situation, right,
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you know exactly. I mean it would have been tough
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because they would have hauled Sandor in and she probably
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would have lied for them, but they all would have
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stepped back, right and then, like we have too many
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eyes on us now because other people might have come forward.
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Other officers might have come forward at that point.
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Too, right, We don't know if I had that chance.
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Yeah, wow, So.
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I know in some of the recent violins that came out.
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We have Jessica Hyde from the Karen Reid trials, We
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have Guarino that are part of the federal government's witness list.
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What are your thoughts on that.
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I think let me say Garino first. I more the
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keeper of records because he is the one who, you know,
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tried to extract stuff from Farwell's phone, and he knows
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he was the one who said that it was gone,
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so I think he'll be more on that. And then
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he extracted the other stuff and gave it to Fanning
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to read, so I think that's more of his situation.
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But he he he. I hate to use this word
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as talking about a girl was murdered, but he knows
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where the body is buried in that office, so he
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might have other stuff to say. When it comes to
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Jessica Hyde, I don't think she's a good witness. She
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talks too fast, and she talks in these big words
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that you can't understand. And it's not talking about the technology.
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It's she tries to prove that she's the smartest person
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in the world, I mean in the room, probably the
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world too, and by using words that people will not understand. Yes,
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they might not understand the technology stuff that you say. Yeah,
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but by using all these words that the average person
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won't know, their eyes are going to glaze over. So
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it's not gonna help. It's not going to help at all.
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So I think she's a bad witness if they could
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get her to slow down a little bit, because she's
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one of those people who talks like if she doesn't
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in the a little bit like that, and you're like,
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what you.
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Know, right, and then hash values this hash values bad.
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Yeah.
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And it's like when you're somebody who talks fast, talks
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in big, big, all this big lingo that the average
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person doesn't know, and then you're you're talking about a
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subject that you know. Yes, if it was a panel
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of teenagers, they'd be like, oh yeah, okay, yeah, yeah,
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I get what she's saying. She's talking about the technology.
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But when you're talking to for the most part, people
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in their late twenty eight i'm sorry, late thirties, early
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forties and fifties and sixties, you know, especially fifties and sixties,
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and I am one of them, you're just gonna be
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like what and I said to you earlier, They're gonna
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be stuck on two words ago because they don't know
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what that word is, and be like what's that word mean?
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And like miss the rest of the test you know,
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next five sentences and it's like that, I don't think
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she's that great of a a testifier.
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What do you think?
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I really can't speak to that, because I don't really
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missy as I I didn't really watched. I watched the
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Karen Ree trials, but I didn't pay that much attention
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to them. I'm more excited about doctor Smock and doctor Bodden.
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Oh too, I really am.
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Yeah, doctor it's going to be.
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I want to give them both a great big hug.
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I'm sure. So what was Spock's wrote role?
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I know what Boden is, the one that Boden redid
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the autopsy?
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Yes, and then what was doctor the other doctor?
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He works with the FBI and the FEDS, and he's
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a strangulation expert, but he's also a stage strangulation scene expert.
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He's like the nation's expert on strangulations and homicides made
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to look like stage like strangulations. Yeah, but he witnessed.
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But he also, you know, agreed with doctor Bodden that
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it wasn't homicide. So yeah, he's he does workshops and
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all kinds of things and very very smart, very totally
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just the sense about this subject right exactly, and all
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around the country, done hundreds of cases, hundreds, just like
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doctor Budden.
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So wow.
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And who was the one that do you think influenced
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the medical examiner when they originally did the like who
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was involved in given them information?
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Do we know anything?
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It's neither of them because they both of those came
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out long before he was arrested or or they knew
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about these two. What changed their their subject is when
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they started hearing what was becoming out in the hearings,
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and they heard I wasn't there that day, so barb might, oh, yes,
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there that day. It was the day I missed. Barbie
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might be able to explain that I.
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Know I need I needed her there that day. It
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was a rough day. I get a lot of strain
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from Missy. But just the way that they I had
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no idea that the damage to porsander was so bad.
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I mean they talked about the ligature of being painfully
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entangled in her hair, and which is something that doctor
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Barden pointed out that if it was a self exit,
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it would have been, it wouldn't have been tangled. It was.
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It was a sign of a struggle, because that's what
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it was. And they also talked about the damage to
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the highway going and also a part of the thyroid gland,
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the thyoids, something with that some medical charm. I don't
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I'm not going to try to even say that, but
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it was bad. It was just the damage was incredible.
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Wasn't something you could do to yourself.
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And also they started hearing more about the other evidence,
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and which is funny because they should have they should
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have at least from the get go ruled her murder a.
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I'm determined at least at least.
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But they started hearing some more of the evidence that
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the massive shoes that state police should have brought to her,
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like the necklace being found on the floor, about him
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leaving three minutes after the phone stopped moving. He was
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the last person to see her that that he abused her,
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and her friend had called the police department, and this
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was all too you know, the call happened on January twentieth,
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and she was dead on the February first, so it's
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like not that long of a period for him to
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ramp up and plan and do all this.
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When was it that the Fed's visited that the Boston
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Emmy's office? Was it before after the arrest? Do you
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remember nine days before? Why would she change her mind? Then?
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They had compelling I don't know why she didn't change
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her mind right then and there. Yeah, I don't know.
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I don't I'll get.
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It neither neither.
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And he had like strangulation, idiations and all kinds of things.
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So oh that remind me, that remind me, Sorry to interrupt,
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do it. In June of twenty twenty, okay, he went
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to a seminar that the Massachusetts State Police had put on.
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Follow in it was a seminar that that the Medical
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Examiner's Office and the Massachusetts State Police put on, and
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they were showing people kind kinds of I don't I
487
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:04.880
don't know, Bobbie might be able to answer this one part.
488
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:07.400
I don't know if it was just different types of
489
00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:16.440
unliving murders and stuff. And they went through how somebody
490
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:23.079
could murder somebody by strangling them and basically exactly what
491
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:27.359
he did. And he went went to the seminar in June,
492
00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:31.319
so they basically taught him how.
493
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:35.759
To do this he did. He didn't pay attention very well,
494
00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:36.559
thank god.
495
00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:42.200
Yeah, and then then it comes up and he does
496
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:47.359
this in February two thousand and twenty one. You know,
497
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:48.319
so we do have a.
498
00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:52.559
Question from Subie in the chat. When did Sandra give
499
00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:54.839
Matthew Farrewell a key to her apartment?
500
00:32:56.079 --> 00:32:59.759
Do we know it was in that that that same week?
501
00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:00.599
Yeah?
502
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:02.720
I think it was just a couple of days before.
503
00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:05.240
Yeah, she was telling a friend about it. She had
504
00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:07.000
gone to Walmart and got a coffee made.
505
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:10.359
Yeah, and how long has she been living there.
506
00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:14.680
Since the beginning of December? Just moved in?
507
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:18.559
Yeah, wow, So she moved in the December and then
508
00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:21.519
he did this on February.
509
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:24.759
For a month.
510
00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:26.319
Wow.
511
00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:27.480
And the.
512
00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:33.759
I was gonna say, sorry, I forgot my just went blank.
513
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:39.759
So it'll come back to me. Like we were talking
514
00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:44.200
about the key, Yeah that the Fitch just put in
515
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:50.200
for that to be put into the record. And yeah,
516
00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:53.200
she she went, you know, she went and got the key.
517
00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:59.559
And he also called and asked her specifically if the
518
00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:02.000
coach she was giving him to get into the building
519
00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:05.960
was it a universal code or was it a code
520
00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:08.719
that was specifically for her door. He knew if he
521
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:11.599
had if it was specifically for her. He didn't want
522
00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:15.320
to punch in the code, but because it was universal code,
523
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:18.000
he punched it in, was able to punch it in
524
00:34:18.039 --> 00:34:19.239
and nobody would know it was it.
525
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:22.320
So he did a lot of planning.
526
00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:24.280
For somebody.
527
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:27.119
And she was also sorry to interrupt you, but she
528
00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:30.400
was also texting her friends saying things were weird right
529
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:33.400
like that he was looking at the door knobs and so,
530
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:36.360
I mean, it's almost like she knew something, something didn't
531
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:39.360
sit right with her, and enough for her to voice
532
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:42.719
it to a friend, multiple friends.
533
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:43.840
It wasn't just one person.
534
00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:44.800
We found out.
535
00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:47.000
I believe in one of the last filings that it
536
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:50.559
was multiple people. She told about a lot of these
537
00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:54.239
things that you know. One of her friends said, you
538
00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:56.039
need to get away from him, come and stay with me.
539
00:34:56.880 --> 00:34:59.639
She was like, no, no, it's fine. It's like Sandra knew.
540
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:03.519
Sandra was such a smart person and she knew that
541
00:35:03.639 --> 00:35:06.760
something wasn't right and I should listen to my instinct.
542
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:14.119
But she because of that grooming and coursive control that
543
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:17.400
pulls harder at her. You know, she's been told since
544
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:21.079
she was thirteen, oh you could trust me, Oh they
545
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:27.639
trust me, you know, and it's like sorry and yeah,
546
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:33.000
like he had such a control over her. And that's
547
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:35.360
the thing that a lot of people don't understand about grooming,
548
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:37.159
because a lot of people are like, yeah, but she
549
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:41.079
was twenty three. Grooming didn't doesn't stop when you turn eighteen.
550
00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:47.559
Adults are groomed, right, and continued, and it bloomed out
551
00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:50.719
to be all these other men joining into the grooming.
552
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:52.679
That's true.
553
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:57.280
And she graduated from criminal justice. Yeah, oh yeah, So
554
00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:00.159
she had an idea of what was going on, was
555
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:02.519
starting to wake up to it. I think he didn't
556
00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:05.360
like that. She knew that he was in trouble. He
557
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:08.320
could get in trouble for leaving work and coming to
558
00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:11.280
see her and stuff. So she was stott smart enough
559
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:11.840
on that too.
560
00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:15.079
And she was starting to see. She was talking to
561
00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:17.760
a lawyer because she wanted to make sure that like
562
00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:20.079
about the baby being hers, it was going to be,
563
00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:23.519
you know, but also about she was putting things in
564
00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:28.639
place about the abuse. Right. She knew she had power.
565
00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:32.679
She finally finally clicked with her Wait a minute, I'm
566
00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:37.159
the one with the power, not these guys. I'm the
567
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:41.280
power because if she said anything, excuse me, she said
568
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:46.760
anything to his wife or his work, he was done.
569
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:52.800
He would be over and he knew that he and
570
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:55.760
that's why he gave in to her when she said,
571
00:36:56.679 --> 00:36:59.320
all right, when when she found out that his wife
572
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:02.360
was pregnant, she he gave in to her because she
573
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:08.639
he knew she had the power to ruin him. And
574
00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:14.199
look what he did. He ruined himself, right like if
575
00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:16.480
he if he had I don't condone it, but if
576
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:19.800
he had just went with what Sandra wanted, and he
577
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:24.039
could have take took a DNA test and went along
578
00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:26.360
with the you know, went along with it till the
579
00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:31.159
baby came. Yeah, he could have. He could have. I
580
00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:33.639
don't want to say it Bene home Free, but but
581
00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:36.000
I I've said to Barber a few times, and I've
582
00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:38.719
said it a few times on other shows. I always
583
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:42.480
think this was going to be Sander's end, just because
584
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:44.800
who she was dealing with.
585
00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:48.199
Oh yeah, I think he would have murdered her even
586
00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:50.480
if she wasn't pregnant. She was starting to talk and
587
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:54.880
she twentieth phone call. That was like the final straw
588
00:37:55.039 --> 00:37:55.440
right there.
589
00:37:55.719 --> 00:38:00.000
Yeah, absolutely, because his secret was getting out, and that's
590
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:02.639
I was trying to tell people. The baby was a
591
00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:06.960
sliver of why that happened on February first, it was
592
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:09.320
about his secret getting out.
593
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:11.920
Hang out exactly right?
594
00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:15.360
And what was the time frame between the phone call
595
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:18.360
and when this took place?
596
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:21.519
When the when the girl called about the money.
597
00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:26.320
January twentieth, and then she was she got killed on
598
00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:30.000
the first of that, so that was eleven days eleven
599
00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:30.800
twelve days.
600
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:35.519
Yeah, and things flipped really quick. He flipped things really
601
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:38.039
like because he had they had gotten into some altercations.
602
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:42.239
I shouldn't even say altercations because that applies that it was,
603
00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:46.119
you know, two of them. He attacked her two or
604
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:51.360
three times. He had slammed, like pushed her into a wall.
605
00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:53.559
He put her in a headlock and grabbed the and
606
00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:56.559
he grabbed the phone out of her hand. He told
607
00:38:56.559 --> 00:38:59.320
her one of those times, I wish you were dead
608
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:05.280
or I wish you die. You know he would in
609
00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:10.039
those text exchanges, he was saying things like you're the worst,
610
00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:14.000
Like you're the worst person ever the world. Yeah, and
611
00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:19.360
then it's like he realized, oh wait, I need to
612
00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:22.400
I need to chill out so I can make this happen,
613
00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:26.519
so she so nothing else comes. I think it was
614
00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:29.000
just because he didn't want anything else to come out,
615
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:31.840
and then he showed that's when he showed up in
616
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:34.960
her apartment with the ginger ale and he was checking
617
00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:40.079
her closets in her bathroom. So he was trying to
618
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:42.599
make it seem like, oh, we're cool. And that's what
619
00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:46.079
Sander mentioned when Sandy mentioned that's weird, but she's she
620
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:48.440
was also weary about it, but she said, but I
621
00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:52.480
think he's coming around, because she held on was hopeful.
622
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:59.840
Yeah, yeah, that's that's definitely helpful. And and just for Claire,
623
00:39:59.920 --> 00:40:02.039
she he was for eleven right, and he was over.
624
00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:06.559
He's over and he's over six six four.
625
00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:11.239
I mean that's a huge size difference.
626
00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:13.119
She looks like a child next to him.
627
00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:17.079
Yeah, yes, she was tiny.
628
00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:17.719
Yeah.
629
00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:21.239
So we we have a question from the chat saying
630
00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:25.639
asking does Missy no why Robert Devine hasn't been arrested.
631
00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:28.079
I think that's a common one. I'm sure you've gotten
632
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:29.199
out before.
633
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:37.840
Word Morrisey. Yeah, yeah, Michael Morrissey. So that's why this
634
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:42.079
this DA selection is very very important. You know, we
635
00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:49.800
need a that will that will who will definitely follow
636
00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:54.119
the evidence, follow the evidence and get these people off
637
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:56.760
the streets if they have the evidence to do.
638
00:40:56.719 --> 00:41:00.880
So right, and this is probably a good time to
639
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:02.519
actually talk about that.
640
00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:04.320
I know that you both have been.
641
00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:07.920
In contact with Adam Detsch. We love Adam Detsch. And
642
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:13.320
we have fifteen days, right, fifteen we have yeah, yeah.
643
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:19.239
We have sixteen days until I know it's too low.
644
00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:22.760
You can't see you. So it's like, I love it.
645
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:28.880
So what so you know, whatever you can share with us,
646
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:31.599
like how does he feel about the sander Birchmore case,
647
00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:35.760
Like I know with Karen Reid, he was involved. He
648
00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:40.880
was actually one of the FBI ice cream truck people
649
00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:43.840
that showed up, but he was he has involved with
650
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:44.840
Sandra's case.
651
00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:48.440
No, No, we're just in the office seeing, you know,
652
00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:51.320
monitoring what was going on, because I mean they all talk,
653
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:53.800
you know, I'm sure they were. I'm sure they were
654
00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:57.840
all bitching in the office like what is going on
655
00:41:57.920 --> 00:41:59.920
in North and that you know what is worthy?
656
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:05.239
What he said, Yeah, you know he cauted an incomplete investigation. Yeah,
657
00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:09.400
he feels like it was not you know, it wasn't done,
658
00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:13.119
wasn't completed at all.
659
00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:16.079
And incomplete by the by the Norfolk County's.
660
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:21.599
Office, right exactly. And he said that he thinks about
661
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:25.360
Sandra every day. That impressed me every single day.
662
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:28.400
She was a big reason why he wanted to run.
663
00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:33.280
He saw these other cases, he saw, you know, what
664
00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:36.960
happened in Stoke with the CDL scandal, because he's the
665
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:40.079
one who did prosecute that. He saw what was going
666
00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:42.000
on with Karen Reid, he saw what was going on
667
00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:45.840
with Sandra. I'm sure they were starting to hear about
668
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:50.639
just en Route because we started promoting together. His name
669
00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:52.920
was getting out there a lot more. Jens put on
670
00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:55.880
the news a lot lately. So he's seeing all these
671
00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:59.960
cases that all took place, you know, that are all murdered,
672
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:03.920
that took place under Morrissey, that all happened to do
673
00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:08.639
with cops, right, and what.
674
00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:09.320
Is going on?
675
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:14.480
And actually one of the there is a commercial that
676
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:19.039
we participated in and one of the other families has
677
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:21.840
to do with the police officer. Also, it was a
678
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:25.760
car accident and this woman's father died. So it's like,
679
00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:29.920
why is it always when it comes to do with cops,
680
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:35.920
Why is it always you know, nothing happens, right.
681
00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:39.559
And he was in charge of the public Corruptions unit
682
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:45.880
when he worked for the Department of Justice, correct I believe, so, Yeah.
683
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:47.800
And one of the things the other besides besides all that,
684
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:50.159
I know Barb feels the same way. One of the
685
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:53.840
other things that really impressed us was that he early
686
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:56.719
in his career, he and when he was actually going
687
00:43:56.719 --> 00:44:00.679
through school, he worked on the Anniscence Project, and the
688
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:05.239
Innocence Project is a godsend for people who have been
689
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:09.719
wrongfully convicted. So he's seen both sides of the coin,
690
00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:14.880
and he can come in as a DA and be compassionate,
691
00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:18.039
you know, where it needs to be, but also be
692
00:44:18.280 --> 00:44:22.360
hard and tough against criminals where they need where it
693
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:26.239
needs to be. So he has this, you know, amazing
694
00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:32.360
duality that he can pull from, right.
695
00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:37.199
Yeah, for sure, Missy, do you have I know that
696
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:41.280
you messaged me the video, but do you also have
697
00:44:41.320 --> 00:44:44.639
it because I know he mentioned that you can present
698
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:46.880
Do you know how to do that part of it
699
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:47.719
to present it?
700
00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:50.599
Yeah? But I don't have it on my computer but
701
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:55.599
I can, Okay.
702
00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:56.480
So we can, And I was trying to do it
703
00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:59.440
and it's not allowed, and I'm like, I don't want.
704
00:44:59.280 --> 00:44:59.760
To mess up my.
705
00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:04.679
Technoledge.
706
00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:08.039
Yeah, I know technology, but that's awesome.
707
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:11.400
So you do you feel while Missy's doing that far
708
00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:13.199
I'll bring this over to you so.
709
00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:16.880
You I know, obviously you love everything.
710
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:20.519
That Adam Deitsch is telling you.
711
00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:23.119
You know, I'm sure you feel hopeful for.
712
00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:29.360
You know, for the county, for the residents, for investigations
713
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:33.000
that weren't properly done, that he's going to you know,
714
00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:35.280
step up and look into a lot of things that
715
00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:37.800
you know he couldn't do when while he was working
716
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:38.880
for the for the.
717
00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:39.239
D o J.
718
00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:45.920
Yeah, I do very hopeful. He Yeah, he has he
719
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:48.119
has a lot of experience and a lot of knowhow,
720
00:45:48.280 --> 00:45:51.079
and I don't think he's just you know, saying things
721
00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:53.679
that he thinks we all want to hear. He is
722
00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:58.239
very committed, I mean, to quit his job and move
723
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:02.280
to Quincy. Shows a lot of commitment right there, right
724
00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:06.800
if you have watched any of the forums. Unlike the
725
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:09.599
other candidates, he doesn't get up and say I did this,
726
00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:13.559
I did that meme. He's like, no, for counties as
727
00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:16.239
this is what they've gone through. And he talks about
728
00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:18.320
what he can do, and he has a plan already
729
00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:19.480
in place ready to go.
730
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:21.360
Yeah.
731
00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:24.280
I had saw I saw on his website that he
732
00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:29.239
plans on opening up a you know, like a kind
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of like a cold case unit to look into cases
734
00:46:33.800 --> 00:46:39.920
and properly investigate them. So I'm sure if he participated
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00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:44.000
in as much as we think he did, I'm sure
736
00:46:44.119 --> 00:46:48.920
he wants to, you know, go back and write those
737
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:49.960
wrongs for sure.
738
00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:53.679
Yeah. And that's the thing. He has a great team
739
00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:58.239
too already, so he people have asked me, oh, well, yeah,
740
00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:01.239
he's he's a good prosecutor, but can he manage a
741
00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:04.760
DA's office? Does he have the know how to do that? Well,
742
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:08.000
he's already done a fabulous job of managing his campaign,
743
00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:12.119
we can see that. And he's already got people in place.
744
00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:13.800
And he also wants to keep a lot of the
745
00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:17.559
people who are already in the DA's office working under
746
00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:22.159
Morrisay that you know, that want to stay and want
747
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:24.920
to want to work with him. So it's not like
748
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:26.760
he's going to go in there and throw everybody out,
749
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:29.800
you know. He he just wants to make the changes
750
00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:33.559
that need to be made, right, Yeah, he knows what
751
00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:37.320
he's doing. Yeah, my eyes anyways.
752
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:41.039
Yeah, I mean he definitely, I know. And you could
753
00:47:41.039 --> 00:47:44.280
tell there's there's a little smirk when he talks about
754
00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:48.119
like Karen Reid and and and I don't mean it
755
00:47:48.199 --> 00:47:50.559
like in a but you know that he has so
756
00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:55.320
much information and obviously he can't say it based on
757
00:47:55.760 --> 00:48:00.440
you know right, Yeah, he can't. And you could just
758
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:03.840
tell he has so much. There's so much information and
759
00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:08.480
it's gonna be amazing. So on September first, we need
760
00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:12.920
to make changes. See, uh, citizens of Norfolk County need
761
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:16.280
to feel safe and have faith they in their in
762
00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:20.880
their government and everything that's going on, because you know,
763
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:24.360
God forbid a tragedy happens.
764
00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:26.880
You just want the right person to be held accountable.
765
00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:32.360
Yeah, I mean for us, for a Sandra's family. It's
766
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:34.679
horrible enough what happened to Sander, but to have the
767
00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:38.639
now work. We're going on almost six years of waiting
768
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:42.400
for justice for her and seeing the investigation botched the
769
00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:46.320
way it was, and you might have to bring the
770
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:47.639
window through the screen.
771
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:51.039
Let me just see.
772
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:56.840
Let me play in the video one on one. There
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00:48:56.840 --> 00:49:01.079
we go, I'll I rake this whole.
774
00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:08.039
Things going, Yeah, not letting me bring it up.
775
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:12.079
It's not letting you bring it up. So you go
776
00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:13.800
into the present and then.
777
00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:15.920
Yeah, no, I have it. I have it up at
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the bottom of my screen. But is there anything at
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the bottom when you when you look down in the
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bottom of your screen.
781
00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:29.039
Let me just see one second. Everything's let me see
782
00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:34.119
if I hit present. Okay, no, so you already hit
783
00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:39.159
the present button, and okay. I asked DJ for help,
784
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:42.360
so he'll be coming in momentarily to help us.
785
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:43.840
I want, I really want him.
786
00:49:43.880 --> 00:49:47.960
That was It's incredible to see that was the one
787
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:49.719
with all the different cases.
788
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:54.719
Yeah, that's.
789
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:07.440
But I mean we I mean, we can we just
790
00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:08.960
wait on DJ to come out.
791
00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:16.800
Yeah, it's just it's at the part where I'm supposed
792
00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:19.199
to put it up on the screen, like to show it,
793
00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:19.960
and it doesn't.
794
00:50:20.039 --> 00:50:24.079
Give me Okay, do it? Okay, all right, we can.
795
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:25.599
We'll circle back.
796
00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:32.840
We'll circle back on that. So what's your Yeah, I know,
797
00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:36.679
I know. So what do you hope happens next with
798
00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:39.559
the DA race?
799
00:50:40.519 --> 00:50:42.840
How quickly do you think he Adam Ditch is going
800
00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:45.639
to get in there, and you know, we're going to
801
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:49.239
start getting some more answers and other you know, having
802
00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:52.360
other people be held accountable for their actions.
803
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And their roles.
804
00:50:55.360 --> 00:50:56.719
HM. That's interesting.
805
00:50:57.719 --> 00:51:01.639
All I'm praying for right now is that Connor does
806
00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:07.039
not get in in. Adam Deitsch does, and he seems
807
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:08.639
like he wants to hit the crowd, you know, the
808
00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:12.079
ground running. I'm sure he has people in mind who
809
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:14.519
he would like to hire if he does become the DA.
810
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:17.559
At this point, you got to start planning for that
811
00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:22.440
kind of situation. And you know, it's it's getting in
812
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:24.960
there and finding out who's gonna stay and who isn't,
813
00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:28.679
who he wants to keep and who he doesn't, and
814
00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:34.559
then get you know, digging into these cases. You know,
815
00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:38.480
he's got to figure out who who are the snakes
816
00:51:38.519 --> 00:51:42.880
in his office? You know, he has to figure that out.
817
00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:46.639
You know, we're not claiming that every you know, Ada
818
00:51:46.760 --> 00:51:49.559
in that office is bad, but there are definitely some
819
00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:55.079
Adas that we know Lally needs to go. And it's
820
00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:58.599
not like puts out the whole Karen Reid thing. He's
821
00:51:58.760 --> 00:52:04.119
just a bad prosecutor. I mean, if anybody saw him
822
00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:10.000
testify in the I can't remember if it was the Yeah,
823
00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:14.400
it was Miles King's thing. He went up against Rosemary Scarpaccio.
824
00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:19.320
He was horrible. Like if he came back to my
825
00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:21.519
office and he probably thought he couldn't fight, you know,
826
00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:25.000
Morrisey figured he couldn't fire him because Lally does nowhere
827
00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:30.880
the bodies are buried but it's like he he was horrible.
828
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:35.239
He couldn't even tell you, like about the search warrants
829
00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:38.320
that him and Michael Proctor were trying to get. It's like,
830
00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:46.079
and he's gonna be deposed again. Wow, it's crazy. Son
831
00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:50.519
needs to go, you know, Thank god Connor is out
832
00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:52.679
of that office. Granted he might have been one of
833
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:56.800
their most winning prosecutors, but he was also leadership. So
834
00:52:56.880 --> 00:52:59.440
he had a part in Sanders case, in John's case.
835
00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:02.239
No matter he tries, no matter how he tries to
836
00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:08.079
deny it, he was part of this. He's in the emails, right,
837
00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:09.679
So it's like he needs to get in there and
838
00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:14.400
figure out who the snakes are in the in that office? Right?
839
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:17.639
And has have you guys ever spoken to him about
840
00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:20.840
how like so you know how the MSP is like
841
00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:23.119
embedded literally in their office.
842
00:53:23.679 --> 00:53:25.960
Has he ever is that something that you.
843
00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:28.679
Think he has control over or is it just the
844
00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:32.320
way it is because that's how we do it in Massachusetts.
845
00:53:32.559 --> 00:53:34.960
It's yeah, it's what's going on in Massachusetts. I think
846
00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:38.320
that's it's on all of us to figure out how
847
00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:42.119
to get them out of the DA's office. They shouldn't
848
00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:45.599
be that close and the same with the medical examiner.
849
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:49.159
They're all supposed to be peers and work together, but
850
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:54.679
they're not supposed to be commingling, right, It makes things
851
00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:59.000
to you know, people have said, like, you know, if
852
00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:02.400
you're walking in together there and you're riding up in
853
00:54:02.440 --> 00:54:05.320
the elevator together, you know, even if you don't know
854
00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:09.239
that person, well, you're just still getting you know, that
855
00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:12.840
vibe of like you guys are part of a team.
856
00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:15.559
And yes, yes, they're still a part of a they're
857
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:18.559
part of a link. Is more of a chain link
858
00:54:18.880 --> 00:54:24.159
when if they weren't embedded, this is they're all co mingling. Yes,
859
00:54:24.199 --> 00:54:27.719
it's it's probably nice to be able to have an
860
00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:30.559
eighty a walk down the hall so they can just
861
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:34.280
answer the question by the everly detective. But it's not
862
00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:38.519
it's not working out right. You know. We're seeing some
863
00:54:38.599 --> 00:54:44.559
of it in in Lindsay Lindsay Clancy's case. It's and
864
00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:49.159
we've we saw it with you know, Enrique's case. You know,
865
00:54:50.119 --> 00:54:54.159
I mean, granted the DA was smart enough to farm
866
00:54:54.199 --> 00:54:57.280
it out. He was like he He's like, no, he
867
00:54:57.320 --> 00:55:00.239
worked in our office. We can't. Can you imagine if
868
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:05.719
it was Morrissey, he would have taken the case, they're
869
00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:09.360
too embedded and it's not working out for people.
870
00:55:11.159 --> 00:55:13.400
And you know, like especially when it comes to the
871
00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:14.559
medical examine.
872
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:16.639
Oh okay, here's he's loading the video.
873
00:55:17.639 --> 00:55:20.800
Special guests today.
874
00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:24.159
Okay, let's see.
875
00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:29.199
Okay, there we go.
876
00:55:29.360 --> 00:55:37.280
I'm supporting Adam Dett. Yeah, he's the only candidate who
877
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:42.400
will bring justice. It's for families.
878
00:55:42.480 --> 00:55:48.239
Like I'm supporting Adam Dets for district attorney. I'm supporting
879
00:55:48.280 --> 00:55:49.920
Adam Dets for district attorney.
880
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:52.679
I'm supporting I'm supporting Adam.
881
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:56.679
The people with the highest states are choosing Adam because
882
00:55:57.039 --> 00:55:59.719
victim against vote for ad Deutsche on September first.
883
00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:05.320
I'm supporting Adam Deutsch because he is the only candidate
884
00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:06.559
who will bring justice for.
885
00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:10.280
All.
886
00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:17.119
Right, thank you d Jay's It's just, you know, it's heartbreaking, Yes,
887
00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:23.280
thank you day. I'm heartbreaking that you know, these all
888
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:26.400
these families have to go through that. And when I
889
00:56:26.440 --> 00:56:28.719
first saw it, I felt weird that I was part
890
00:56:28.760 --> 00:56:31.679
of it. And I spoke to actually the mom that
891
00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:34.320
was at the very beginning, and she's like, no, but
892
00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:37.679
you're fighting for people, so you are a part of it.
893
00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:40.280
I was like, yeah, but I felt I wasn't expecting
894
00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:42.920
me like what. I was like, wait a minute, one
895
00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:44.960
of these things that does not look like the other.
896
00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:47.800
But I said when I posted it, it's an honor
897
00:56:48.320 --> 00:56:51.440
for me to be on the screen with these you know, mothers,
898
00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:55.000
sisters and daughters and cousins who were fighting for their family.
899
00:56:56.239 --> 00:57:00.719
All right, and I'm sure you know, I'm sure the
900
00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:05.039
family I mean loves the fact that you have taken
901
00:57:05.599 --> 00:57:06.679
Oh you can't hear me?
902
00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:08.079
Oh?
903
00:57:08.119 --> 00:57:13.320
Oh oh boy?
904
00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:17.480
All right, I will be right back. Oh my god,
905
00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:22.880
So how is everyone tonight? I'll take over and we
906
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:24.039
can hear you.
907
00:57:24.039 --> 00:57:24.639
You can hear me?
908
00:57:24.760 --> 00:57:25.320
Can you hear me?
909
00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:30.159
Now? Okay, I'll be back. Oh what did you do
910
00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:33.039
to me? Did you break me?
911
00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:34.880
Hi?
912
00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:35.239
Do do?
913
00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:36.639
Hey?
914
00:57:36.679 --> 00:57:38.280
How are you okay?
915
00:57:38.360 --> 00:57:39.320
How are you?
916
00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:41.079
I'm doing well, Boston.
917
00:57:41.679 --> 00:57:44.199
Yeah, she's gonna log that log back in and that's
918
00:57:44.199 --> 00:57:45.360
probably gonna do it for us.
919
00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:46.800
But get me caught up.
920
00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:47.559
Uh.
921
00:57:47.599 --> 00:57:49.559
First of all, it's a pleasure to meet you, Barb,
922
00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:51.280
and it's great to welcome.
923
00:57:54.519 --> 00:58:02.840
Can I get yees?
924
00:58:04.719 --> 00:58:06.239
So how is everyone doing tonight?
925
00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:10.320
I'm finally looking at the man. I'm doing great. I'm
926
00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:10.960
so excited.
927
00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:13.760
When I read what Grant put out, what was the
928
00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:17.880
name of that court document, Missy that Grant put out
929
00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:21.719
that had uh it told that doctor Koppo Martinez is
930
00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:23.840
going to testify the Guarino.
931
00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:26.519
What type of a filing was that from the US government?
932
00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:28.400
You know it was?
933
00:58:31.400 --> 00:58:31.880
And I can.
934
00:58:34.039 --> 00:58:34.599
Lemonade.
935
00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:39.159
Yeah, I can bring it up because I know I
936
00:58:39.239 --> 00:58:41.840
have it somewhere, because I put it up last week
937
00:58:41.920 --> 00:58:44.199
and when I read it, I was just loving it
938
00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:47.559
that there's gonna be like three or four technicians that
939
00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:51.000
worked for doctor Martinez that are going to testify, and
940
00:58:51.079 --> 00:58:56.239
doctor Martinez was going to testify that clearly, those dirt
941
00:58:56.280 --> 00:59:00.239
bags from the MSP did not in fact give her
942
00:59:00.639 --> 00:59:01.320
the information.
943
00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:04.039
They just set the scene the way they wanted.
944
00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:07.960
To set it rather than give and so that they
945
00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:10.159
could get the adjudication that they wanted.
946
00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:11.840
All right, here's Boston BA.
947
00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:18.440
Now got you aloud and clear, bea all right. It
948
00:59:18.480 --> 00:59:22.079
is great seeing you. Thank you so much for joining us.
949
00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:25.159
We really appreciate the trial brief.
950
00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:28.679
I know he can still here trial brief.
951
00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:38.280
All right, Sorry about that somehow Oh no, what can
952
00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:38.920
you hear me now?
953
00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:42.360
Oh oh.
954
00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:47.760
Uh oh all right, I will be right back.
955
00:59:49.079 --> 00:59:51.360
It could possibly be on barbs end.
956
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:56.800
Okay, missy, can you hear her? Can you hear Bea? Okay,
957
00:59:57.159 --> 00:59:59.159
it's on your end, all right.
958
00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:02.400
So then what what we can do is, well we
959
01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:05.039
can have Barb go out and come back in because
960
01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:09.400
both I the audience and MIZZI can hear Boston Bea.
961
01:00:09.519 --> 01:00:12.559
So Barb, if you would log out, log back in,
962
01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:15.880
or even restart if you got a minute, just restart
963
01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:17.039
the computer and go again.
964
01:00:17.119 --> 01:00:20.800
Okay, all right, all right, thank you darling. I appreciate
965
01:00:20.840 --> 01:00:23.079
you guys.
966
01:00:25.079 --> 01:00:27.119
All right, so that was a great video. How long
967
01:00:27.159 --> 01:00:29.119
ago did you record it?
968
01:00:32.559 --> 01:00:36.320
I went and recorded jeez, actually last the day of
969
01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:40.719
Faro's last hearing, so it was last month sometime.
970
01:00:41.079 --> 01:00:44.480
Oh wow, Yeah, that's awesome that just came out.
971
01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:46.800
Yeah, we knew we were going to do it for
972
01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:51.719
a while. Actually it was probably probably June. Probably filmed
973
01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:56.480
it in June. Yeah, probably on June seventeenth, maybe I'm
974
01:00:56.519 --> 01:01:01.159
not sure the last hearing date. Wow, but yeah, it
975
01:01:02.559 --> 01:01:05.960
was me and me and Peter Murphy. Peter Murphy did
976
01:01:05.960 --> 01:01:09.199
film some stuff too. I'm wondering if they're gonna include
977
01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:13.119
some of his stuff later on. And Barb filmed her
978
01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:16.000
separately at her house, which I thought it ended up
979
01:01:16.039 --> 01:01:21.360
being better, you know Bob's initial video. Their act with
980
01:01:21.440 --> 01:01:24.320
Barbs was so good, just barb alone. It was so
981
01:01:25.239 --> 01:01:31.320
perfectly said and precisely the sentiment was, you know, heartfelt,
982
01:01:31.400 --> 01:01:35.840
but it was also stern towards Morrissey, so it was perfect.
983
01:01:36.199 --> 01:01:37.639
And then they did a little bit of a longer
984
01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:39.079
one and included.
985
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:42.559
Him, Oh hi, can you hear us?
986
01:01:43.159 --> 01:01:43.519
Yes?
987
01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:48.119
Technology, weren't we complaining about technology earlier?
988
01:01:49.880 --> 01:01:53.119
Yes, it's like a mini replay of like what happened
989
01:01:53.199 --> 01:01:57.039
last Saturday too, from when we did our fundraiser. Oh
990
01:01:57.119 --> 01:02:00.280
my goodness, we kept it was just crazy every which way,
991
01:02:00.639 --> 01:02:05.000
Like it started off with Yanetti, like I mean we
992
01:02:05.119 --> 01:02:08.599
have we have David Gannetti, and like it's cutting in
993
01:02:08.679 --> 01:02:12.440
and out and he couldn't hear us. We couldn't hear him,
994
01:02:12.519 --> 01:02:15.559
and his he kept he kept going in and out.
995
01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:21.239
So it was like and it was just like, oh no,
996
01:02:22.119 --> 01:02:27.039
we could and Adam dete because we had Adam ditch
997
01:02:27.639 --> 01:02:28.559
them inter.
998
01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:34.840
Rests, I know, and you know, David Yanetti knows a
999
01:02:34.840 --> 01:02:38.760
lot about the invest the when they investigated Karen's case
1000
01:02:38.920 --> 01:02:43.760
and he was one of the you know agents. So yeah,
1001
01:02:43.880 --> 01:02:45.440
so that that's pretty interesting.
1002
01:02:47.320 --> 01:02:55.159
Yeah, So what else can you tell us, Like, is
1003
01:02:55.199 --> 01:02:58.199
there anything that we haven't discussed that you want to,
1004
01:02:58.599 --> 01:03:02.079
you know, whether it be about Sandra and who she was,
1005
01:03:02.280 --> 01:03:05.159
about what's happening, like what's coming up with the.
1006
01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:09.079
Trial, anything you want to kind of mention or touch
1007
01:03:09.159 --> 01:03:13.239
on that we haven't already.
1008
01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:14.840
What about you, Barb.
1009
01:03:16.599 --> 01:03:19.320
The only thing I can think of is the fact
1010
01:03:19.360 --> 01:03:21.559
that we want to make sure that we hold both
1011
01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:26.760
Robert Devine and William Fowell accountable for what they their participation.
1012
01:03:26.880 --> 01:03:29.239
I want to find out exactly if day knew what
1013
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:32.639
was going to happen that day that Matthew Fowell went
1014
01:03:32.679 --> 01:03:34.960
to house. I know that Robert Devine called her on
1015
01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:40.440
that day and ill that day, and William couldn't wait
1016
01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:42.599
to get out of town after it happened.
1017
01:03:42.760 --> 01:03:47.320
So that's actually one of the things. I don't know
1018
01:03:47.320 --> 01:03:50.280
if we talked start talking about it here, but you
1019
01:03:50.320 --> 01:03:55.239
and I talked behind the scenes that video that came out,
1020
01:03:55.840 --> 01:04:01.519
and I could explain it. Rachel, who's a friend of ours,
1021
01:04:02.119 --> 01:04:05.519
did a four year request on her and Sandra, and
1022
01:04:07.360 --> 01:04:11.320
she requested the video surveillance video from Matthew going in
1023
01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:14.239
and out of the building. Well, they gave her a
1024
01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:17.840
longer link, So this was video that was never seen before.
1025
01:04:18.840 --> 01:04:22.280
They sent it in like short clips, but the one
1026
01:04:22.320 --> 01:04:27.599
that was released before they cut the person off, So
1027
01:04:27.679 --> 01:04:31.920
this one was slightly longer, so you could see a
1028
01:04:32.039 --> 01:04:36.559
person walk by the door and then like twenty thirty
1029
01:04:36.559 --> 01:04:40.440
seconds later, Matthew comes down and you know, that's when
1030
01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:43.679
he books it out of the building. I personally think
1031
01:04:43.760 --> 01:04:50.960
that person was a lookout because a couple things. Sandra
1032
01:04:51.159 --> 01:04:55.880
was putting up a fight, you know. I say that
1033
01:04:56.039 --> 01:05:00.519
because she had the abrasions on her nose, so she
1034
01:05:01.079 --> 01:05:04.440
you know, she was used to him strangling her. But
1035
01:05:04.800 --> 01:05:08.599
I think, you know, at some point she realized this
1036
01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:15.159
wasn't play anymore. She realized it was real, so she
1037
01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:22.000
was probably fighting him, and I think that's he either
1038
01:05:22.039 --> 01:05:24.719
held her head down on the rug and she tried
1039
01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:27.159
to scrape her her you know, that's how she got
1040
01:05:27.199 --> 01:05:29.440
the scrapes on the nose or on the bed, and
1041
01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:35.280
she was probably screaming at that point. But unfortunately, how
1042
01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:39.760
her apartment is set up. Her apartment set up as
1043
01:05:39.840 --> 01:05:43.039
you walk out of out of the elevator, and if
1044
01:05:43.079 --> 01:05:48.039
you turn left, you walk up say ten feet and
1045
01:05:48.079 --> 01:05:50.199
there's the hallway you can go right or left for
1046
01:05:51.199 --> 01:05:55.119
to go to the apartments. Well, her apartment is you
1047
01:05:55.199 --> 01:05:57.960
come out of the elevator and it's right there to
1048
01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:01.679
the right off off the elevat and right next to
1049
01:06:01.920 --> 01:06:08.079
her door is the like supply utility closet, so I
1050
01:06:08.719 --> 01:06:11.159
think it would have some of the elevator stuff with it.
1051
01:06:11.199 --> 01:06:15.800
And just like so, her apartment was kind of removed
1052
01:06:16.239 --> 01:06:19.119
from all the other apartments. And we spoke to the
1053
01:06:19.159 --> 01:06:22.760
person across the hall and she had just moved in
1054
01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:27.800
right after what happened to Sandra. So there's a possibility
1055
01:06:27.840 --> 01:06:30.519
the person who lived like the first when you walk
1056
01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:33.400
when when you take a left out of the elevator
1057
01:06:33.800 --> 01:06:36.079
and you walk towards that hallway and you look right
1058
01:06:36.159 --> 01:06:39.400
or left, that was that first door. So it was
1059
01:06:39.440 --> 01:06:42.159
the closest apartment to her. We don't know if that
1060
01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:48.280
apartment was vacant, so, but where her apartment was situated,
1061
01:06:48.880 --> 01:06:51.280
it might be hard for somebody to hear her because
1062
01:06:51.559 --> 01:06:54.599
you know, she's in the back in her bedroom, so
1063
01:06:54.719 --> 01:06:57.599
if she was screaming, people might not have known. But
1064
01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:02.519
he was probably that that person and we do believe
1065
01:07:02.559 --> 01:07:07.239
it's a male because they look like they're they're about
1066
01:07:07.360 --> 01:07:11.480
Matthew's body size, not maybe not an height, they're definitely
1067
01:07:11.519 --> 01:07:19.880
a little shorter. And it's to me, it's not a
1068
01:07:19.880 --> 01:07:26.159
coincidence this person left thirty twenty thirty seconds after he did,
1069
01:07:26.519 --> 01:07:31.760
because that's probably what you know, he probably messaged them
1070
01:07:32.199 --> 01:07:36.400
or he was on the phone the whole time, and
1071
01:07:37.840 --> 01:07:40.400
that person was like, you're Claire, you're Claire. You know,
1072
01:07:41.280 --> 01:07:43.840
did you do it? Giving him encouragement because it's not
1073
01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:47.000
easy one to strangle someone, even though he's used to
1074
01:07:47.039 --> 01:07:52.519
doing it. And you know, no matter no matter how
1075
01:07:52.599 --> 01:07:55.400
much of a scumbag we think he is, he still
1076
01:07:55.519 --> 01:07:58.440
was a police officer. And there there is there were
1077
01:07:58.719 --> 01:08:01.679
there were good things he did as a police officer.
1078
01:08:01.960 --> 01:08:04.400
He was just also police officer who was a monster.
1079
01:08:05.039 --> 01:08:08.800
So he was going against like that, the other urge
1080
01:08:08.800 --> 01:08:13.559
of himself, another part of himself, So to actually take
1081
01:08:13.639 --> 01:08:18.239
someone's life, you know, I'm sure he needed needed an encouragement,
1082
01:08:18.279 --> 01:08:20.640
no matter how mad, and no matter how much he
1083
01:08:20.680 --> 01:08:23.760
wanted to get rid of her. And I'm sure they
1084
01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:28.680
wanted to make sure no cops were coming. And so
1085
01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:33.760
when you leave her building and you take a if
1086
01:08:33.800 --> 01:08:36.680
you look out ahead of you, there are little car
1087
01:08:36.760 --> 01:08:40.840
ports for you know, people to park their cars. If
1088
01:08:40.840 --> 01:08:44.359
you take a right and walk from the direction that
1089
01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:47.520
person was standing. So the direction they were coming from
1090
01:08:48.079 --> 01:08:52.439
there is parking on like once you get past the
1091
01:08:52.479 --> 01:08:58.039
carports is also uncovered parking. And then when you turn
1092
01:08:58.600 --> 01:09:00.800
around them, you know, you make a right around the building.
1093
01:09:01.119 --> 01:09:04.840
It's only parking down there. So there's no reason for
1094
01:09:04.880 --> 01:09:08.800
somebody to come from that parking lot or that area
1095
01:09:09.720 --> 01:09:14.720
and walk across the building like that that heads to
1096
01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:19.760
the bigger parking lot. I believe there are doors where
1097
01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:21.640
you can get in on that side, and even if
1098
01:09:21.680 --> 01:09:25.279
they even if there aren't doors that you can get in,
1099
01:09:25.920 --> 01:09:28.399
they would come in that front door. So there's no
1100
01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:32.560
reason for somebody to be coming from that direction. The
1101
01:09:32.640 --> 01:09:35.239
only thing I could think of is like, you know,
1102
01:09:35.520 --> 01:09:39.399
their girlfriend was getting groceries or something, but at nine
1103
01:09:39.560 --> 01:09:43.199
thirty at night, you know, and a snowstock. I mean,
1104
01:09:43.239 --> 01:09:46.119
it just makes no sense. So there is no reason
1105
01:09:46.279 --> 01:09:50.279
for somebody to be coming from that direction. And especially
1106
01:09:50.319 --> 01:09:54.640
when there's the bigger parking lot that's in between all
1107
01:09:54.800 --> 01:09:58.640
three buildings, the parking lot that's to the right where
1108
01:09:58.640 --> 01:10:01.600
that person came from, it's just a tiny like it's
1109
01:10:01.640 --> 01:10:03.680
not even really a parking lot. It's like just a
1110
01:10:03.800 --> 01:10:05.600
row of where car you know, for the people who
1111
01:10:05.680 --> 01:10:08.680
live in this Standards building to park. It's not it's
1112
01:10:08.720 --> 01:10:11.119
like more for you know, the people who live there
1113
01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:14.439
is parking, not you know, guests and stuff. You know.
1114
01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:18.159
So it made no sense. There's no reason for somebody
1115
01:10:18.199 --> 01:10:22.720
to be walking past that door. So I think that
1116
01:10:22.760 --> 01:10:25.920
person was me personally. I think that person was a
1117
01:10:25.920 --> 01:10:26.279
look up.
1118
01:10:27.119 --> 01:10:27.439
Wow.
1119
01:10:28.479 --> 01:10:32.319
So that so we're discussing that that happened before he entered.
1120
01:10:32.560 --> 01:10:35.880
Is there any anything that we see after.
1121
01:10:35.800 --> 01:10:39.800
Matthews, after when he let when he leaves, Oh, person
1122
01:10:39.960 --> 01:10:43.960
walks in front of the door, walks past the door,
1123
01:10:44.600 --> 01:10:47.319
and then Matthew comes down in the elevator and out
1124
01:10:48.119 --> 01:10:50.960
within twenty thirty seconds. I can't remember the exact amount
1125
01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:53.760
of time I timed it. I just can't remember right now.
1126
01:10:54.560 --> 01:10:56.000
Gotcha, when he's waiting.
1127
01:10:57.640 --> 01:11:00.279
So do you think while he was inside he called
1128
01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:02.399
somebody to be the lookout, not that they were there
1129
01:11:02.439 --> 01:11:04.520
the whole time, or do you have them the.
1130
01:11:04.520 --> 01:11:07.520
Whole time, because we don't have we don't have the
1131
01:11:07.680 --> 01:11:11.159
video is sliced up, so we don't have we don't
1132
01:11:11.199 --> 01:11:13.840
have the video when Farah walked up. We have the
1133
01:11:13.960 --> 01:11:17.800
video of him entering the door, but we don't have
1134
01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:23.199
we don't have what happened right before there, and so
1135
01:11:24.279 --> 01:11:27.359
we don't see that person walking past the door. We
1136
01:11:27.520 --> 01:11:28.760
just see the person leaving.
1137
01:11:31.119 --> 01:11:31.560
Wow.
1138
01:11:32.119 --> 01:11:35.560
Wow, And we're very lucky that we have that that
1139
01:11:35.680 --> 01:11:38.840
whoever clipped it when they were sat doing, you know,
1140
01:11:38.880 --> 01:11:44.239
answering the foy, they they added on about thirty seconds
1141
01:11:45.680 --> 01:11:48.199
that we had never seen. And I guess it was
1142
01:11:48.239 --> 01:11:51.239
on YouTube for like a month or two, and I
1143
01:11:51.239 --> 01:11:55.079
didn't know it was on the trial channel. And I
1144
01:11:55.079 --> 01:11:57.279
didn't know because I thought it was the same video
1145
01:11:57.319 --> 01:11:59.479
that we've seen all. I mean, I've seen that video
1146
01:11:59.520 --> 01:12:02.680
a million times, but I didn't know it was a
1147
01:12:02.760 --> 01:12:03.560
longer clip.
1148
01:12:04.680 --> 01:12:06.479
No, nor so.
1149
01:12:06.800 --> 01:12:09.239
Right, That's why I ask people, if you find out
1150
01:12:09.279 --> 01:12:12.399
some information, even if you think I might have it,
1151
01:12:13.239 --> 01:12:16.119
send it to me. Message me, hey, missy, have you
1152
01:12:16.159 --> 01:12:19.239
seen this? Or send a bob have you guys seen this?
1153
01:12:19.680 --> 01:12:23.399
I would rather you it doesn't annoy us. I would
1154
01:12:23.560 --> 01:12:27.079
rather you tell me something that I've seen fifty times
1155
01:12:27.319 --> 01:12:28.880
than me miss out on something.
1156
01:12:29.239 --> 01:12:32.520
Right, right, Yeah, And everything's become there's just so much
1157
01:12:32.600 --> 01:12:35.199
information you and I know you obviously, I know you
1158
01:12:35.239 --> 01:12:39.399
know this case very well, but you know, it's definitely
1159
01:12:39.479 --> 01:12:41.960
like sometimes you used to seeing the same thing over
1160
01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:45.279
and over and then like you miss things. It's you know,
1161
01:12:45.520 --> 01:12:49.239
so definitely that that's really good to know because you know,
1162
01:12:50.079 --> 01:12:53.399
anybody that has any information that could potentially help and
1163
01:12:53.760 --> 01:12:57.399
potentially because again you know, this is step one. We
1164
01:12:57.520 --> 01:13:01.319
have one person who's in custody awaiting file. There are
1165
01:13:01.319 --> 01:13:04.880
other people that did unspeakable things to her as well
1166
01:13:05.399 --> 01:13:11.000
that need to be held responsible. And so yeah, that's
1167
01:13:11.520 --> 01:13:15.319
we have a question from one of our senior Maude,
1168
01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:19.960
and let's see do you She's asking, do you know
1169
01:13:20.039 --> 01:13:21.600
of any connections with.
1170
01:13:22.000 --> 01:13:24.359
Kevin Albert and Sandra's case.
1171
01:13:26.119 --> 01:13:28.960
There's there's a very small I will get out of
1172
01:13:29.039 --> 01:13:33.520
the small connection, but you know, the more we find
1173
01:13:33.520 --> 01:13:36.880
out from all these cases, that doesn't mean it is
1174
01:13:36.920 --> 01:13:41.319
a small connection. People always think that he was there
1175
01:13:41.399 --> 01:13:44.880
the day Sandra was found. He was not there. He
1176
01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:51.279
came back to the building on the sixth and he
1177
01:13:51.720 --> 01:13:57.800
was part of the Sergeant Lank and detective of Court
1178
01:13:58.159 --> 01:14:06.680
and Detective Albert came to retrieve the video, which I
1179
01:14:06.760 --> 01:14:10.119
find weird because there was no reason for them to
1180
01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:16.439
be there because the Massachusetts State Police were on their
1181
01:14:16.479 --> 01:14:20.439
way there. And it's not like the Canton Police needed
1182
01:14:20.439 --> 01:14:23.720
this video it was for it they would have just
1183
01:14:23.720 --> 01:14:27.000
been handing it over to the Massachusetts State Police. So
1184
01:14:27.119 --> 01:14:32.000
I just find that whole situation weird around it. Yes,
1185
01:14:32.079 --> 01:14:36.520
the Canton police or police station does assist you know,
1186
01:14:36.680 --> 01:14:39.920
the Massachusetts State State Police from time to enough time
1187
01:14:40.439 --> 01:14:43.319
or like as we see in the Planty casey they
1188
01:14:43.399 --> 01:14:46.760
worked very close together because there were so many, so
1189
01:14:46.840 --> 01:14:52.199
many victims. But it's just weird that they were even there. Yes,
1190
01:14:52.359 --> 01:14:55.079
Lank is the one who got the call, but all
1191
01:14:55.119 --> 01:14:57.560
he had to do was call Fanning and say, like, hey,
1192
01:14:57.680 --> 01:15:00.640
they have video. They don't they found somebody that they
1193
01:15:00.640 --> 01:15:03.760
don't recognize because the people who worked there I always
1194
01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:08.319
forget her name, the manager's office and the maintenance man
1195
01:15:08.520 --> 01:15:11.920
are the ones who discovered the video. The maintenance man
1196
01:15:12.359 --> 01:15:17.479
recognized Farewell from when he moved Sandra in because there
1197
01:15:17.560 --> 01:15:20.199
was there was something that there was something that happened
1198
01:15:20.239 --> 01:15:22.840
in the build twy it's in his memory. There was
1199
01:15:22.880 --> 01:15:25.359
something that happened in the building. The night standra moved
1200
01:15:25.399 --> 01:15:28.399
in and the police had to be called. So he
1201
01:15:28.520 --> 01:15:30.920
clopped it because he saw he's you know, he saw
1202
01:15:30.960 --> 01:15:33.479
what was going on around him and he's like, I
1203
01:15:33.560 --> 01:15:37.039
know that guy. And I mean even with Farwell's face
1204
01:15:37.399 --> 01:15:39.760
half covered up, he was like, I know that guy.
1205
01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:43.199
He helped Sandra move in, so he was a key person,
1206
01:15:43.479 --> 01:15:50.680
you know, key person and staying with the property manager.
1207
01:15:47.479 --> 01:15:59.199
And yeah, so we have a question here from stan Stones.
1208
01:15:59.359 --> 01:16:03.640
He said different points written on us Sanderbirch Moore was
1209
01:16:03.720 --> 01:16:07.039
found that they noted different types of chords or ligatures.
1210
01:16:08.319 --> 01:16:15.279
Yes, the first officer to see her, who had the
1211
01:16:15.319 --> 01:16:18.399
best report out of the camp police, he said it
1212
01:16:18.439 --> 01:16:22.199
was either a string or rope, and I cannot remember
1213
01:16:22.199 --> 01:16:26.119
the other two things. The second officer, officer Yeaton, said
1214
01:16:26.199 --> 01:16:30.880
it was a scarf, and detective Record said it was
1215
01:16:31.119 --> 01:16:36.920
a black strap. So they had it right. And Blank
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didn't describe what he saw, which is very weird. He
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described what Cotards saw and oh, okay, so Cotard said
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it was a.
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Belt and someone say it was a belt.
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Yeah, what But the first two didn't say, like court,
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I mean the first officer to find her, who saw
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her first, he didn't say anything about a black strap.
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So and that's what Lank said, he said, he described
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what he said. Oh, Cootard said it was a black strap.
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01:17:15.760 --> 01:17:17.960
Kotard never said it was a black strap. So it
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was like all these different things that are being thrown
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out there. It was the black strap from an army bag.
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That that was Sandra's.
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Yeah h.
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And that's what's in the federal documents. Right. They referred
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to it as a black strap.
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Not right, Okay, in the police reports.
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Yeah, it's in the yeah, the street police from you
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know to officer recort. You know, he at least said
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the right thing.
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Wow, yeah, which I mean imagine that we're sitting here like, wow,
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he actually did the right thing.
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They all should have been doing the right thing.
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And that's what's outraged.
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It's outraging.
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01:18:07.079 --> 01:18:10.560
So we're getting ready to you know, close out the
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show for tonight.
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I do appreciate you both being here, Barbara, I mean,
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01:18:16.800 --> 01:18:17.840
I can't thank you enough.
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01:18:17.960 --> 01:18:21.439
I know that you know, it's it's amazing that you've
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01:18:21.479 --> 01:18:25.760
been able to turn your grief into advocacy, and you know,
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01:18:26.479 --> 01:18:29.560
and you want her story to be told and we
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01:18:29.640 --> 01:18:34.479
don't ever want to have her be forgotten. And I
1249
01:18:34.560 --> 01:18:36.399
know that you know it's hard for you to hear
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01:18:36.600 --> 01:18:39.760
all these things over and over, and you know, as
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01:18:39.880 --> 01:18:43.479
part of educating the audience and getting the word out there.
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01:18:43.560 --> 01:18:47.239
You know, I understand that this must be incredibly hard
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01:18:47.279 --> 01:18:52.039
for you to relive everything that she's gone through. So
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01:18:52.239 --> 01:18:58.800
I give you so much respect and it's amazing. Do
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01:18:58.880 --> 01:19:03.359
you think that it brings you peace being an advocate
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01:19:03.439 --> 01:19:08.880
as well and using your your your grief towards helping.
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01:19:08.840 --> 01:19:12.039
Oh, definitely. Yeah. It helps to know that I'm doing
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01:19:12.079 --> 01:19:16.640
something something for her. So that's what it was so
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01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:19.159
great when Missy came into the picture because I was
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sitting there. I had been talking to the guys from
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01:19:21.199 --> 01:19:23.159
the case and had learned a lot from them, but
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01:19:23.680 --> 01:19:27.800
and Missy came along and got the Facebook group group going,
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01:19:27.960 --> 01:19:31.760
and then we started standouts and all that, and I
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01:19:31.800 --> 01:19:35.159
didn't come back to Massachusetts still twenty twenty three, and
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01:19:35.159 --> 01:19:37.920
then I retired shortly thereafter. So then I was able
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01:19:37.960 --> 01:19:43.520
to really dive in with both feet. And you know,
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01:19:43.600 --> 01:19:45.880
if the situation were to be reversed, I know Sandra
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01:19:45.960 --> 01:19:48.640
would be fighting for me. So I have to do
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it right right and.
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For it's not easy every day to do this. I mean,
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01:19:56.960 --> 01:20:00.520
I know how tough it is for me mentally. I mean,
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01:20:00.960 --> 01:20:04.239
just imagine being her cousin, you know, somebody who spoke
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01:20:04.319 --> 01:20:08.439
to her almost daily. You know, I can't imagine how
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01:20:08.479 --> 01:20:11.079
tough it is. Like I said, especially this year, it's
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01:20:11.119 --> 01:20:15.279
been very mentally taxing on the both of us. And
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01:20:15.520 --> 01:20:18.960
you know, Barb is a trooper. You know, thanks, sure
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01:20:20.520 --> 01:20:22.560
you are you push it through. I mean, like I
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01:20:22.640 --> 01:20:25.199
know how much I have to push through there. There
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01:20:25.199 --> 01:20:27.199
are so many days where I'm just like, oh okay,
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01:20:27.560 --> 01:20:30.119
I even joke and saying, can we just lock the
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01:20:30.159 --> 01:20:33.159
page for like a week and take a week off. Yeah,
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01:20:33.479 --> 01:20:35.039
I mean, we would love to do it, but we
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01:20:35.119 --> 01:20:38.359
can't because we might miss something and have to put
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01:20:38.399 --> 01:20:42.039
some information out. So we and we want to stay
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01:20:42.039 --> 01:20:43.199
on top of things we do.
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01:20:43.439 --> 01:20:44.079
Yeah.
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01:20:44.520 --> 01:20:50.600
Yeah, I mean I again, I sound like a broken record,
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01:20:50.640 --> 01:20:53.199
but you know, much respect to both of you and
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01:20:53.279 --> 01:20:55.720
everything you're doing to make sure that you know, we
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01:20:55.840 --> 01:21:02.840
keep her name alive and that yeah, that we I mean,
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01:21:02.840 --> 01:21:05.960
you guys are not only advocating for what happened, but
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01:21:06.079 --> 01:21:08.920
also now bring and change and how can we prevent
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01:21:09.119 --> 01:21:12.840
somebody else from being the next San sander birchemore that
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01:21:13.039 --> 01:21:16.279
you know, we're going to put hopefully on September first,
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01:21:16.359 --> 01:21:20.760
everybody vote, make sure you share it on X. Adam
1296
01:21:20.880 --> 01:21:25.239
Detsch is the person that's going to clean up Norfolk County.
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01:21:25.800 --> 01:21:28.199
And you know, if you came to us for the
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01:21:28.319 --> 01:21:31.479
Karen Reid case or started with you know, just en
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01:21:31.600 --> 01:21:35.479
route wherever it brought you into Norfolk County, and when
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01:21:35.479 --> 01:21:38.479
you look at all the investigations and everything that has
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01:21:38.520 --> 01:21:40.680
gone wrong with all these cases.
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01:21:41.600 --> 01:21:43.199
You know this needs to end.
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01:21:43.439 --> 01:21:47.840
And it ends on September first, when Adam Detsch gets
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01:21:47.840 --> 01:21:52.640
in there. So that's that's where we'll leave it at that,
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01:21:52.920 --> 01:21:56.840
and you know, get out and vote. Share obviously, you
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01:21:56.880 --> 01:22:00.720
know the family wants Adam Ditch in there, so let's.
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01:22:00.520 --> 01:22:03.279
Make it happen. And you know we look forward to.
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01:22:05.079 --> 01:22:11.920
You know, justice for all the innocent people, that's for sure.
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01:22:12.039 --> 01:22:15.359
So again I want to thank you both for being here. Chat,
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01:22:15.520 --> 01:22:18.960
thank you, Thank you Mods. Make sure you like and subscribe.
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01:22:19.239 --> 01:22:23.039
We put your information for your YouTube channel as well.
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No problem. Any final thoughts.
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01:22:28.760 --> 01:22:33.119
If you have time, go follow Adam Deitsch's social media
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01:22:33.199 --> 01:22:35.880
is there are standouts. We post the standouts on our
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01:22:36.520 --> 01:22:39.479
page right now, you know, grab all your free care
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01:22:39.520 --> 01:22:42.479
and read people or you're just on route. People come join.
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01:22:42.560 --> 01:22:45.199
They need people to do standouts, so please if you
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01:22:45.199 --> 01:22:47.479
can participate, you don't have to live in Norfolk County
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01:22:47.479 --> 01:22:55.760
to do it, you know. Yeah, and justice Yeah.
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01:22:53.920 --> 01:22:58.119
So again, thank you chat mods, Thank you Barb and
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01:22:58.159 --> 01:22:59.359
Mizzy for being here.
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01:23:00.319 --> 01:23:02.560
We will see you soon and we'll keep.
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01:23:02.319 --> 01:23:04.319
In touch and we'll have you come back once the
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01:23:04.399 --> 01:23:06.720
trial starts so that you can give us some updates
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01:23:06.760 --> 01:23:11.000
because I know it's not televised, so you know, any
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01:23:11.079 --> 01:23:14.159
information you're going to get from people that are actually
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01:23:14.199 --> 01:23:17.359
in the courtroom. So with that said, thank you everyone,
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01:23:17.520 --> 01:23:19.520
Happy Saturday, and we will see you soon.
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On calling all beings all right, I always