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[SPEAKER_01]: Call me romantic, but I think I always do a really good job when it comes to always remembering my firsts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First dance on my wedding, first standing ovation, the birth of our first born.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of it seems to be tied to life experience, and I don't know I'll ever get even close to my grandpa Jim.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I can't imagine what it must have been like for him, and a small skeleton crew, to be the first to take out a gigantic, first of its kind, never been sea-tested ship.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A ship that is so big it couldn't fit through the Panama Canal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the CIA's best-kept secret had the sale its way around one of the world's most treacherous paths around the Horn of South America.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 320 miles of white knuckling, a portion of sea famous for climbing ships, all while year-in-one that's only really ever been proven to work on paper.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if those stakes weren't high enough, as your ship rounds the horn off the coast of Chile, Chile is in the throes of a full-on coup.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Explosions, shaken streets, military jets strike the presidential palace, but to grandpa and the crew of the Glomar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all just bursts of one light and low rumbles in the distance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But as the journey draws on, the Glomar sales closer to the rumbles and bursts of light.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because, funny enough, with all of the extensive planning, all of the pains taking attention to detail, the Glomar Explorer under the cover of this civilian vessel with no weapons on board was to make its only refueling stuff of the journey in a country on the verge of collapse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of all the gen joints and all the towns in all the world, we decided to walk our top secret ship into theirs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as soon as the Glomard docked, two Chileans holding a salt rival select themselves on board, with someone, trailing right behind them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hi, before we dive in, I just want to say welcome to Deep Secrets, especially if you're new here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm Kaylin Hill and alongside my brother Hunter, we've been unraveling this unbelievable true story of our grandfather's secret life with the CIA.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What started as a family mystery has turned into an investigation involving Cold War Espionage, a sunken Soviet submarine, and a whole lot of questions we never imagined we be asking.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for being here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So exciting, Grandpa's first coup.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All count and I have as January 6th, the notable difference being that we were never there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that maybe you're the problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is the voice of our friend Dana Kathen, breakout star from Vanderpump Rules, a longtime family friend, and one of my wife's sorority sisters.
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[SPEAKER_04]: because you're like making friends with people at the pentagon and then CIA agents.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, it's giving us.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's giving, are we really a stand-up comedian?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, by the way, they've told me that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Have you found yourself being more open to conspiracies since this is all come about?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kevin has fallen into it into a deep way and I'm trying to play devil's advocate but I will say especially with everything going on right now in our world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kevin has come to me and just been like this is what like the next six months are going to look like and then everything will just like fall out exactly as she said she's like up at night just like doom's growing drinking coffee just like
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like the Charlie Damien from it's always sunny.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was like, yeah, with the, yeah, all the papers and the walls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The deeper count and I fall into this rabbit hole, the more I have a hard time not being able to trust that so many crazy things happen purely out of coincidence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, turns out that the actual term conspiracy theory was really weaponized by a former CIA director to make people sound crazy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Which isn't that hard to do when your missions and tactics are crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So why would the CIA ever risk putting their most prized possession directly in harm's way?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And how are we involved with Chile and its coup?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And why did CIA director tell global marine that they had nothing to worry about?
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[SPEAKER_01]: As luck would have it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The people of Chile and its military successfully overthrew the government the night before the Glomar pulled up to Chile's largest port to dock and refuel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And while the explosions had stopped, the country was still in disarray.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All phone lines were down, there was no way of communicating with any of the teams backstate side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: no fun excursions planned or snorkeling for Grandpa.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Instead, two Chilean teenagers holding his salt rifles let themselves on board and walking behind them, a CIA agent dressed like an engineer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember, in last week's episode, when I mentioned not wanting to fall into hero worship, well, apparently my Spidey senses were tingling, because there can't really be any good reasons for the CIA to be in Chile.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, funnily enough, this very same week that we are releasing this podcast episode, there is a movie about this very Chilean coup that we are talking about.
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[SPEAKER_03]: a called wild horse nine that is hitting theaters starring John Malkovich, Sam Rockwell, Parker Posey, and Tom Waitz, I mean line up of legends, just right there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And from what we can read from the reviews is it's a scathing take on this CIA and deservedly so once you realize America's involvement in their coup.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The coup lasted about 48 hours and resulted in the death of Chile's socialist president with a decent amount of off-the-books help from Uncle Sam.
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[SPEAKER_01]: President Ion Day was an enemy of billionaires everywhere, and a man who sought to privatize its country's copper, who also received 400K approximately 3 million in today's metrics from the Soviet Union for reelection.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And given the current climate, President Nixon didn't really like the idea of Russia having ties to a country that close to the United States.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Quince d'Atlane, the CIA was able to fly operatives from the agency, global marine and honeywell into Chile, with some supplies and personal mail a day before the coup happened to kick off, which would have left the airspace closed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the coup just happened to end with President Ion a killing himself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess I had nothing to do with the bombing of his home, of course, but you know, this all happened just hours before the Glomar pulls into board.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what a happy coincidence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The United States of America, a global authoritarian in the name of democracy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god, we're gonna get some negative comments for that one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I never knew being anti-Q would be such a polarizing stance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've gotten some complaints from listeners for not blindly supporting or seemingly praising everything America has ever done 100% that I need to back our military 100% and I feel like I've made it clear in earlier episodes and and personally donating my time in all days to tour with USO, but I absolutely support our troops.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's because I support them that I don't want us to be involved in wars or conflicts for nefarious reasons.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what, I feel like it's patriotic that we are learning from history and learning from, you know, our family's wins and our family's faults, some mates say.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what it is, what it is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're talking about the story and an extremely polarizing time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that the story has a lot of parallels to modern day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That would be ridiculous of us to not point out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're gonna piss some people off, but that's okay, we're just living our truth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: sometimes the only way to love your country is to stand up to it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Ken, what do you think these supplies could have been?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What would, I mean, we're talking about a massive ship, one of the largest ever manufacturer that's currently sitting empty without any of its actual mission equipment, what supplies could it even need?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, apparently they're like picking up personal letters and miscellaneous supplies.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I personally think that's kind of bullshit because what are the possibilities of having your big spy ship port the day after a coup?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it just seems like there's something shady or happening and going on, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and personal mail for a crew that's on a top secret mission where no one's supposed even know where they are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it also seems like, you know, if there's like a coup involved with getting your personal mail, maybe like, I don't know, reason the letter.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It just seems like such a wild thing to be like, nope, we must, you know, stop at this port, even with bombings and all of the things that could have been on the line.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It just seems very unlikely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think by personal mail, they meant bags of cash.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If I personal mail, they meant military weapons to help a coup, no, I'm just kidding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you are kidding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, bottom line is our government, even some American corporations have dark pasts when it comes to overthrowing regimes that might disagree with us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even Chase Bank and Dull fruits went head to head back in different sides of a civil war in Nicaragua all over the trade of bananas.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, it's where the term banana republic stems from, and has a whole extra layer of colonialism to the clothing company.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There are multiple reasons why this benefited American interests.
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[SPEAKER_03]: One being America didn't want another fidel Castro on their hands.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They don't want Ironated Nationalized Copper, which he had previously claimed he wanted to do to help Chileans, and they saw Ironate align with Moscow in a way that made them fear
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[SPEAKER_01]: I obviously don't love that our grandfather was anywhere close to this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in our minds, he's always been a goat farmer in a World War II vet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sure that someone with a corner office in DC would make an argument that the coup in Chile was for the betterment of its people and our country's national security but ultimately, our vision of Krempa Jim is getting muddier and muddier.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing says defending democracy quite like dismantling someone else's.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And to be clear, I think the Glomar and the mission that our grandfather was on was an amazing patriotic feat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it is one of America's greatest stories never told, but in its shadows, in its peripheral vision, why some not so savory truths, just to be honest with everyone listening to this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All of this is starting to weigh a lot more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that my experience with Jim painted him as a gentle and kind person, and I've only ever thought of him as heroic, but it's starting to get weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bottom line, it's getting harder and harder to believe anything we're reading, especially because at the end of the day, the official reports was that the CIA was supposedly able to negotiate safe passage and fuel for the Glomar Explorer out of Chile,
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[SPEAKER_01]: by simply trading the locals some toilet paper.
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[SPEAKER_03]: leaving Chile and its clubs government behind the Glomar heads to Los Angeles.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The ship made its way up the west coast of South and Central America, to dock in Los Angeles Harper.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's important to remember how famous and world renowned this ship was because of its affiliation with Howard Hughes, and also it being the first of its kind.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a rival to LA made headlines across the globe.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Glomar's notoriety was intentionally built into its cover story, because the CIA knew there was no way they could keep a ship this big a secret.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as a result of all the media coverage and public attention, an entire fake industry of Deep Sea mining was propped up to protect that cover story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, hundreds of people worked on this mission and never knew.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All of a sudden trade show booths were designed and staffed to promote the exciting frontier of Deep Sea exploration and the benefits of its energy sources.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Floors of office buildings were staffed with sail reps trying to push magnesium nodules that were going to be harvested off the ocean floor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even competing corporations also started investing money into deep sea mining ventures of their own just to try and go toe to toe with Howard Hughes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and even the council at the UN debated over who if anyone had ownership of the ocean floor and who would even have the privilege of harvesting it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The CIA even had an educational video shot with narration by the $6 million man play as part of its cover.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm now a board, but it's probably the most technologically advanced sea-going vessel in the work today, the Glomar Explorer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The actor being none the wiser.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly what this ship does and what it has been designed for has been an area of controversy and speculation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Glomar made its home in LA, which meant for the first time in months, our grand pajim would be able to sleep in his own bed at night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it turns out, it was also going to make it very difficult for him to not have work come home with him, which was getting harder and harder due to the rising controversy and media coverage that started circling the Glomar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They say there's no such thing as bad press, but when you've spent millions of dollars in time and energy in not only creating good press but an entire fake industry, bad press certainly isn't ideal, especially when the bad press could ultimately mean the truth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Generally speaking, every CIA operation has two missions, a white mission, like it's cover story, and the black mission.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The crew that built the Glomar Explorer in Pennsylvania, that was the white project.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those people who were completely in the dark and genuinely thought that they were helping to use go deep sea mining.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But when the Glomar got to LA and it became time for the ship to be converted to serve its true purpose and be mission ready, a black mission crew had
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[SPEAKER_01]: and it's important to point out that even though people might have been hired for part of the plaque mission crew, it doesn't mean that they knew any details other than that the CIA was somehow involved.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is such a big job that the CIA literally pulled people from all over the place that met the security requirements who are now forced to do jobs well outside of their normal work scope.
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[SPEAKER_01]: like well outside of their normal workscope.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Picture trained assassins being tasked with painting portions of a ship.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And while these assassins were doing jobs that they didn't like, it meant that union dock workers of L.A. were out of jobs that they would normally be promised.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This was a big deal because anyone who has grown up in a union family or grew up in small towns where you're really supported by industries like coal or steel, you'll understand what a big deal it is for promise work to no longer be promised and for a union crew to not be trusted.
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[SPEAKER_03]: totally and because of the secrecy that the ship required people literally were not even allowed on the harbor at certain points, which meant that unions weren't only missing out on work from the Glomar but other ships as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And since global marine wasn't a union company, higher-ups weren't thinking about changing the white crews to black once they arrived in LA, but they weren't expecting what was going to come next, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So the CIA was expecting some level of pushback, but nothing close to the outcry that they ended up receiving.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because union workers being kicked out of the harbor was suspicious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, Hughes was known for his crippling paranoia and anti-socialness, but the combination of heightened security was being met with hundreds of angry protesters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hughes was like an Elon Musk or Bezos of his time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People were pissed that their work wasn't appreciated and pushed aside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which brought up an age-old question, why do billionaires hate their working class?
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[SPEAKER_03]: But seriously, the protests that went down weren't necessarily peaceful, okay, so it escalates into a mob of over a hundred protestors, who are physically blocking workers, they're harassing the crew managers, stopping delivering trucks, and also slashing tires.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It even gets to the point where they're pouring out nails onto the road.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It must have been so weird for Grandpa to have presumably just gone from one coup to the next.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The only difference being when he got home to his wife and kids, they were watching this one on TV.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this thing was being covered on the television, it was on the radio in the car.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He couldn't escape it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to imagine what it must have felt like for Jim, just to be shouldering all of that pressure to have been keeping the secret for so long watching this news coverage and knowing that at any point this cover story, this secret that he had been keeping from everyone that he loved could have come undone in an instant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My ambealic had an interesting point to make on this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's not normal for people to keep secrets, especially from the people that their closest to, and as I know, just from a very limited amount from guests that we've had on our podcast, you know, people who are chosen to lie like this are very, very special creatures.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they're, they're very special in their ability either to compartmentalize to dissociate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, in an essence, and yeah, those are unusual people that are specifically selected, you know, for all sorts of personality tests that they do to see like is this person going to be able to keep a secret because it's a very big deal and you're carrying the weight of a tremendous amount of information that's incredibly critical and in many cases life threatening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: At least on the road, you can find pockets of time where you can be alone and by yourself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Jim didn't have that luxury.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was having to hide his identity, driving through mobs of angry people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's shouldering a level of secrecy that has never been achieved before, and then he come home to seven kids and a wife that probably doesn't feel supported all while you're dealing with quite literally the weight of the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I have to imagine what it must have been like for Jim to get home at the end of the day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kids running and screaming everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For him to go sit down in his favorite chair, not knowing which part of his life was going to punch him in the stomach next.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When all of a sudden the phone rings, any answers it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Only to hear the voice on the other end deliver one simple message.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's been a break-in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're on to us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, thanks for listening to this week's episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Be sure to follow my, I'm on all of your socials, and check out her podcast, Mind B. Alex Breakdown, where she has interviewed more than a few people that have worked with the CIA.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This series is hosted by myself, Hunter Hill, my sister, Kayl and Hill, and is a nothing to see here, production.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Executively produced by Hunter Hill, Kaelan Hill, Ed Doesic, and produced by Jess Sonemfeld-Jalice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, well, last thing, every episode that we're coming out has either been recorded in my tiny home office or running and running it while out on the road.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you so much for being here as my sister and I unravel this crazy story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hope to see you next week as we dive even deeper into this secret.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Call me romantic, but I think I always do a really good job when it comes to always remembering my firsts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First dance on my wedding, first standing ovation, the birth of our first born.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of it seems to be tied to life experience, and I don't know I'll ever get even close to my grandpa Jim.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I can't imagine what it must have been like for him, and a small skeleton crew, to be the first to take out a gigantic, first of its kind, never been sea-tested ship.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A ship that is so big it couldn't fit through the Panama Canal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the CIA's best-kept secret had the sale its way around one of the world's most treacherous paths around the Horn of South America.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 320 miles of white knuckling, a portion of sea famous for climbing ships, all while year-in-one that's only really ever been proven to work on paper.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if those stakes weren't high enough, as your ship rounds the horn off the coast of Chile, Chile is in the throes of a full-on coup.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Explosions, shaken streets, military jets strike the presidential palace, but to grandpa and the crew of the Glomar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all just bursts of one light and low rumbles in the distance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But as the journey draws on, the Glomar sales closer to the rumbles and bursts of light.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because, funny enough, with all of the extensive planning, all of the pains taking attention to detail, the Glomar Explorer under the cover of this civilian vessel with no weapons on board was to make its only refueling stuff of the journey in a country on the verge of collapse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of all the gen joints and all the towns in all the world, we decided to walk our top secret ship into theirs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as soon as the Glomard docked, two Chileans holding a salt rival select themselves on board, with someone, trailing right behind them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hi, before we dive in, I just want to say welcome to Deep Secrets, especially if you're new here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So exciting, Grandpa's first coup.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All count and I have as January 6th, the notable difference being that we were never there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that maybe you're the problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is the voice of our friend Dana Kathen, breakout star from Vanderpump Rules, a longtime family friend, and one of my wife's sorority sisters.
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[SPEAKER_04]: because you're like making friends with people at the pentagon and then CIA agents.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, it's giving us.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's giving, are we really a stand-up comedian?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, by the way, they've told me that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Have you found yourself being more open to conspiracies since this is all come about?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kevin has fallen into it into a deep way and I'm trying to play devil's advocate but I will say especially with everything going on right now in our world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kevin has come to me and just been like this is what like the next six months are going to look like and then everything will just like fall out exactly as she said she's like up at night just like doom's growing drinking coffee just like
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like the Charlie Damien from it's always sunny.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was like, yeah, with the, yeah, all the papers and the walls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The deeper count and I fall into this rabbit hole, the more I have a hard time not being able to trust that so many crazy things happen purely out of coincidence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, turns out that the actual term conspiracy theory was really weaponized by a former CIA director to make people sound crazy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Which isn't that hard to do when your missions and tactics are crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So why would the CIA ever risk putting their most prized possession directly in harm's way?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And how are we involved with Chile and its coup?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And why did CIA director tell global marine that they had nothing to worry about?
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[SPEAKER_01]: As luck would have it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The people of Chile and its military successfully overthrew the government the night before the Glomar pulled up to Chile's largest port to dock and refuel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And while the explosions had stopped, the country was still in disarray.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All phone lines were down, there was no way of communicating with any of the teams backstate side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: no fun excursions planned or snorkeling for Grandpa.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Instead, two Chilean teenagers holding his salt rifles let themselves on board and walking behind them, a CIA agent dressed like an engineer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember, in last week's episode, when I mentioned not wanting to fall into hero worship, well, apparently my Spidey senses were tingling, because there can't really be any good reasons for the CIA to be in Chile.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, funnily enough, this very same week that we are releasing this podcast episode, there is a movie about this very Chilean coup that we are talking about.
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[SPEAKER_03]: a called wild horse nine that is hitting theaters starring John Malkovich, Sam Rockwell, Parker Posey, and Tom Waitz, I mean line up of legends, just right there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And from what we can read from the reviews is it's a scathing take on this CIA and deservedly so once you realize America's involvement in their coup.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The coup lasted about 48 hours and resulted in the death of Chile's socialist president with a decent amount of off-the-books help from Uncle Sam.
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[SPEAKER_01]: President Ion Day was an enemy of billionaires everywhere, and a man who sought to privatize its country's copper, who also received 400K approximately 3 million in today's metrics from the Soviet Union for reelection.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And given the current climate, President Nixon didn't really like the idea of Russia having ties to a country that close to the United States.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Quince d'Atlane, the CIA was able to fly operatives from the agency, global marine and honeywell into Chile, with some supplies and personal mail a day before the coup happened to kick off, which would have left the airspace closed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the coup just happened to end with President Ion a killing himself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess I had nothing to do with the bombing of his home, of course, but you know, this all happened just hours before the Glomar pulls into board.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what a happy coincidence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The United States of America, a global authoritarian in the name of democracy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god, we're gonna get some negative comments for that one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I never knew being anti-Q would be such a polarizing stance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've gotten some complaints from listeners for not blindly supporting or seemingly praising everything America has ever done 100% that I need to back our military 100% and I feel like I've made it clear in earlier episodes and and personally donating my time in all days to tour with USO, but I absolutely support our troops.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's because I support them that I don't want us to be involved in wars or conflicts for nefarious reasons.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what, I feel like it's patriotic that we are learning from history and learning from, you know, our family's wins and our family's faults, some mates say.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what it is, what it is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're talking about the story and an extremely polarizing time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that the story has a lot of parallels to modern day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That would be ridiculous of us to not point out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're gonna piss some people off, but that's okay, we're just living our truth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: sometimes the only way to love your country is to stand up to it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Ken, what do you think these supplies could have been?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What would, I mean, we're talking about a massive ship, one of the largest ever manufacturer that's currently sitting empty without any of its actual mission equipment, what supplies could it even need?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, apparently they're like picking up personal letters and miscellaneous supplies.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I personally think that's kind of bullshit because what are the possibilities of having your big spy ship port the day after a coup?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it just seems like there's something shady or happening and going on, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and personal mail for a crew that's on a top secret mission where no one's supposed even know where they are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it also seems like, you know, if there's like a coup involved with getting your personal mail, maybe like, I don't know, reason the letter.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It just seems like such a wild thing to be like, nope, we must, you know, stop at this port, even with bombings and all of the things that could have been on the line.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It just seems very unlikely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think by personal mail, they meant bags of cash.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If I personal mail, they meant military weapons to help a coup, no, I'm just kidding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you are kidding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, bottom line is our government, even some American corporations have dark pasts when it comes to overthrowing regimes that might disagree with us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even Chase Bank and Dull fruits went head to head back in different sides of a civil war in Nicaragua all over the trade of bananas.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, it's where the term banana republic stems from, and has a whole extra layer of colonialism to the clothing company.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There are multiple reasons why this benefited American interests.
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[SPEAKER_03]: One being America didn't want another fidel Castro on their hands.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They don't want Ironated Nationalized Copper, which he had previously claimed he wanted to do to help Chileans, and they saw Ironate align with Moscow in a way that made them fear
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[SPEAKER_01]: I obviously don't love that our grandfather was anywhere close to this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in our minds, he's always been a goat farmer in a World War II vet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sure that someone with a corner office in DC would make an argument that the coup in Chile was for the betterment of its people and our country's national security but ultimately, our vision of Krempa Jim is getting muddier and muddier.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing says defending democracy quite like dismantling someone else's.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And to be clear, I think the Glomar and the mission that our grandfather was on was an amazing patriotic feat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it is one of America's greatest stories never told, but in its shadows, in its peripheral vision, why some not so savory truths, just to be honest with everyone listening to this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All of this is starting to weigh a lot more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that my experience with Jim painted him as a gentle and kind person, and I've only ever thought of him as heroic, but it's starting to get weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bottom line, it's getting harder and harder to believe anything we're reading, especially because at the end of the day, the official reports was that the CIA was supposedly able to negotiate safe passage and fuel for the Glomar Explorer out of Chile,
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[SPEAKER_01]: by simply trading the locals some toilet paper.
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[SPEAKER_03]: leaving Chile and its clubs government behind the Glomar heads to Los Angeles.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The ship made its way up the west coast of South and Central America, to dock in Los Angeles Harper.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's important to remember how famous and world renowned this ship was because of its affiliation with Howard Hughes, and also it being the first of its kind.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a rival to LA made headlines across the globe.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Glomar's notoriety was intentionally built into its cover story, because the CIA knew there was no way they could keep a ship this big a secret.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as a result of all the media coverage and public attention, an entire fake industry of Deep Sea mining was propped up to protect that cover story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, hundreds of people worked on this mission and never knew.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All of a sudden trade show booths were designed and staffed to promote the exciting frontier of Deep Sea exploration and the benefits of its energy sources.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Floors of office buildings were staffed with sail reps trying to push magnesium nodules that were going to be harvested off the ocean floor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even competing corporations also started investing money into deep sea mining ventures of their own just to try and go toe to toe with Howard Hughes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and even the council at the UN debated over who if anyone had ownership of the ocean floor and who would even have the privilege of harvesting it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The CIA even had an educational video shot with narration by the $6 million man play as part of its cover.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm now a board, but it's probably the most technologically advanced sea-going vessel in the work today, the Glomar Explorer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The actor being none the wiser.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly what this ship does and what it has been designed for has been an area of controversy and speculation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Glomar made its home in LA, which meant for the first time in months, our grand pajim would be able to sleep in his own bed at night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it turns out, it was also going to make it very difficult for him to not have work come home with him, which was getting harder and harder due to the rising controversy and media coverage that started circling the Glomar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They say there's no such thing as bad press, but when you've spent millions of dollars in time and energy in not only creating good press but an entire fake industry, bad press certainly isn't ideal, especially when the bad press could ultimately mean the truth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Generally speaking, every CIA operation has two missions, a white mission, like it's cover story, and the black mission.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The crew that built the Glomar Explorer in Pennsylvania, that was the white project.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those people who were completely in the dark and genuinely thought that they were helping to use go deep sea mining.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But when the Glomar got to LA and it became time for the ship to be converted to serve its true purpose and be mission ready, a black mission crew had
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[SPEAKER_01]: and it's important to point out that even though people might have been hired for part of the plaque mission crew, it doesn't mean that they knew any details other than that the CIA was somehow involved.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is such a big job that the CIA literally pulled people from all over the place that met the security requirements who are now forced to do jobs well outside of their normal work scope.
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[SPEAKER_01]: like well outside of their normal workscope.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Picture trained assassins being tasked with painting portions of a ship.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And while these assassins were doing jobs that they didn't like, it meant that union dock workers of L.A. were out of jobs that they would normally be promised.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This was a big deal because anyone who has grown up in a union family or grew up in small towns where you're really supported by industries like coal or steel, you'll understand what a big deal it is for promise work to no longer be promised and for a union crew to not be trusted.
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[SPEAKER_03]: totally and because of the secrecy that the ship required people literally were not even allowed on the harbor at certain points, which meant that unions weren't only missing out on work from the Glomar but other ships as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And since global marine wasn't a union company, higher-ups weren't thinking about changing the white crews to black once they arrived in LA, but they weren't expecting what was going to come next, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So the CIA was expecting some level of pushback, but nothing close to the outcry that they ended up receiving.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because union workers being kicked out of the harbor was suspicious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, Hughes was known for his crippling paranoia and anti-socialness, but the combination of heightened security was being met with hundreds of angry protesters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hughes was like an Elon Musk or Bezos of his time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People were pissed that their work wasn't appreciated and pushed aside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which brought up an age-old question, why do billionaires hate their working class?
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[SPEAKER_03]: But seriously, the protests that went down weren't necessarily peaceful, okay, so it escalates into a mob of over a hundred protestors, who are physically blocking workers, they're harassing the crew managers, stopping delivering trucks, and also slashing tires.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It even gets to the point where they're pouring out nails onto the road.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It must have been so weird for Grandpa to have presumably just gone from one coup to the next.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The only difference being when he got home to his wife and kids, they were watching this one on TV.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this thing was being covered on the television, it was on the radio in the car.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He couldn't escape it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to imagine what it must have felt like for Jim, just to be shouldering all of that pressure to have been keeping the secret for so long watching this news coverage and knowing that at any point this cover story, this secret that he had been keeping from everyone that he loved could have come undone in an instant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My ambealic had an interesting point to make on this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's not normal for people to keep secrets, especially from the people that their closest to, and as I know, just from a very limited amount from guests that we've had on our podcast, you know, people who are chosen to lie like this are very, very special creatures.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they're, they're very special in their ability either to compartmentalize to dissociate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, in an essence, and yeah, those are unusual people that are specifically selected, you know, for all sorts of personality tests that they do to see like is this person going to be able to keep a secret because it's a very big deal and you're carrying the weight of a tremendous amount of information that's incredibly critical and in many cases life threatening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: At least on the road, you can find pockets of time where you can be alone and by yourself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Jim didn't have that luxury.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was having to hide his identity, driving through mobs of angry people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's shouldering a level of secrecy that has never been achieved before, and then he come home to seven kids and a wife that probably doesn't feel supported all while you're dealing with quite literally the weight of the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I have to imagine what it must have been like for Jim to get home at the end of the day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kids running and screaming everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For him to go sit down in his favorite chair, not knowing which part of his life was going to punch him in the stomach next.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When all of a sudden the phone rings, any answers it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Only to hear the voice on the other end deliver one simple message.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's been a break-in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're on to us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, thanks for listening to this week's episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Be sure to follow my, I'm on all of your socials, and check out her podcast, Mind B. Alex Breakdown, where she has interviewed more than a few people that have worked with the CIA.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This series is hosted by myself, Hunter Hill, my sister, Kayl and Hill, and is a nothing to see here, production.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Executively produced by Hunter Hill, Kaelan Hill, Ed Doesic, and produced by Jess Sonemfeld-Jalice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, well, last thing, every episode that we're coming out has either been recorded in my tiny home office or running and running it while out on the road.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you so much for being here as my sister and I unravel this crazy story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hope to see you next week as we dive even deeper into this secret.
