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Bron Is here from Macedon and Broun. The last time
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we hung out it was at lambeau Field and we
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got that the tour of it and it was just
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such an amazing day. Then you guys put on a
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hell of a show over at the Rest Center. And
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since then, what a year it has been. How are you.
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I'm doing all right?
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Yeah, yeah, sort of come out the other side of it,
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and I'm feeling pretty good right now.
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That's good, you know, it is. I think I talked
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to a lot of people about when they make music
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and how it's such a relief to get it out.
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And I saw an interview you and Bill did where
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you're talking about Bill was like anxious about releasing it
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and being like, oh, what are people going to think
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of things? And You're like, at that, man, I'm just
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I'm just stoked to get this out.
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Yeah, That's how I feel about I mean, you know,
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there's some trepidation. Obviously, there's we've lost a pretty girl
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member of our group and a brother, so uh, you know,
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there's a little bit of I wonder what they're gonna think.
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But I always am curious what they're gonna think, and
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and and but it doesn't. I mean, you know, it doesn't.
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It's not enough of a deterrent to stop making music.
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You know.
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I guess while people, while people are talking about it,
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we're still making We're making new stuff. So I don't know,
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I guess that's the sort of the life of you know,
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being vulnerable artistically and then putting out there for people
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to scrutinize. But I don't know, they're gonna think what
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they think. I can't control it. The only thing I
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can control is if I like it and I love it,
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so good.
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Good enough for me. And but speaking of being vulnerable,
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you guys did something that I've never seen a band
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do before, and that was when you released the that
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mini documentary about you know, Brent his life with you
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as a band, what led to him leaving the band
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and then the very complicated and awful end of all
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of that. And what was it that Because most bands
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would have just like put out a statement on Instagram,
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you know, a notes page, what was it that you
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were like, No, we got we got to show people.
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Well first and foremost, we sort of wanted to get
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ahead of the press. We knew we were going to
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be talking about it a lot, and you never know
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what publications are going to grab whatever headlines and take
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you know, things get brought out of context, and we
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wanted something that we could point to and say, no,
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this is exactly how we feel from our perspective in
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our mouths. And you know, I felt like I was
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thinking about the fans, you know, and I just was
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thinking that, you know, we hadn't really addressed things, and
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we let things sit there, you know, and so I didn't.
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I mean, I just felt a little bit of an
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obligation to them to give them some kind of explanation
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as to why things were the way that they were,
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you know, without spilling too much tea. And I, you know,
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never want to speak ill of the dead. But we
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never really got our opportunity to sort of put out
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the fires that he started online about us and stuff.
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And you know, I knew that that was coming from him,
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and I sort of rolled my eyes ahead when it
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was happening. But a lot of fans were like, no,
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this is how he really feels, you know, and I
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just don't believe that, and you know, I think that,
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so I just felt like we couldn't just leave it there,
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you know, you know, I love the guy, and obviously
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I wish that things had worked out differently, and I
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was fully anticipating a a reconciliation at some point and
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maybe even jammed together again. But it didn't. It didn't happen.
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So I just felt like it was important for us
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to to talk about him, the good, the bad, and
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the ugly, just because people weren't gonna believe us if
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we just came out and said no, everything was fine,
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because obviously it wasn't, you know, it was very He
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had been pretty vocal that things weren't fine, you know,
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So you know, I just you know, relationships are difficult,
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People are difficult sometimes I'm no angel, I'm difficult probably sometimes,
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you know.
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But so I just.
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Felt like we needed to clear the air a little
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bit before we proceed forward with with with all the
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new music and all the new, the new new, I
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thought it was important, you know.
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And the new music, I mean, what an amazing just
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a couple of songs to come out that really st
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the tone for the record. You know, your Ghosts again
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that song, You've done it a lot where you just
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are able to the words that you and the band
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come up with to experience like the suddenness of someone
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being gone like that one is truly something that I'm like,
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oh my god, I can't like I the other day
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I thought I saw my dad waving to me as
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I was driving down the road that it wasn't there.
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But like I was like, oh, well, that was really nice.
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And then to be with the music that you've come
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up with, you know, the beginning of Snakes for Dinner,
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it feels like I'm just waiting. You can almost hear
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like Brent in the background screaming and doing that like
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the Blood Mountain era type of vocals, and it's it's
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a ghost. I think you guys aren't. I don't know,
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are you wrestling with it or did you like embrace it,
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like bring it in to the soul and massage it out?
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What happened?
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I mean, you know, Brent's always going to be in there.
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You know, we've learned a lot from each other. We
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learned a lot from him. We became intertwined our musical
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kind of souls. I guess throughout the twenty six years
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of playing together. There's no way around it, you know,
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especially somebody such a unique player like him, became so
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deeply embedded in the sound that.
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Is massed on, much like all of us.
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I think, you know, Bill's Bill and Troy and hopefully
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myself have we came together as four kind of unique
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players that produced the sound that is massed on. So
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moving forward, I think that anything that we create, you know,
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if you play with someone for that long, you just
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sort of subconsciously lean towards stuff that sounds like that,
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you know. So I think he'll his mark will always
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be felt in the mass it on sound. But it's
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us as well, obviously. You know, when we went into
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the studio, it was probably six days after Brent had passed,
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and I was definitely questioning whether or not that was
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a good idea, just because with everything that had happened,
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my mom's passing, the the turmoil with Brent, and then
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him his untimely demise, I didn't feel good, you know,
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and it was hard for me to get out of
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bed and and even think about going down to the
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studio to play drums. I just you know, you can
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talk about grief, and you can talk about all these things,
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and you know, you can nod your head and go yeah,
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but unfortunately, it's it's a feeling everybody's most people are
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familiar with. Thank God, the body doesn't remember this pain
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for too much for for for too too long, and
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with every passing days gets a little bit lighter incrementally,
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But when you're in the thick of it, it's pretty heavy,
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and it's it's it's hard to get it's hard to
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get stuff done, it's hard to be productive because it
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just you're you're the physical manifestation of grief can be.
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Somewhat debilitating.
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So but going down to the studio, forcing myself to
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get out of bed and go and all of us
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sort of banding together, almost like the scene from three
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hundred where they're kind of in a cocoon with these
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big shields around each other, just to make sure that
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no outside forces could get in. It's sort of what
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it felt like being in the studio, and it was
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really nice having Juang and Nick. They're kind of fresh
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perspective and not as bogged down with the grief as
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myself and Troy and Bill were, and they could sort
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of make it a little more fun to be in
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the in the room and and working on these these
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musical arrangements. And at the end of each day, when
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I would get in my car and drive home for
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dinner and to see my wife and and my dog.
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It was I felt better each day, and I just knew, Okay,
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I think this is this is obviously the right path
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for us to be able to come out the other
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side and feel good and be able to understand what
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happened and how we all feel about it, you know,
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instead of sort of, you know, doing what men do usually,
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hide and push that ship down and pretend it doesn't
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exist and go about your business. You know, luckily we
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have this, you know, this tragedy bucket called mast it
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on what it's come over the last ten years, that
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we can put stuff in and uh and sort of
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not forget about it, but hopefully turn it into something beautiful,
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or turn it and turn it into to some badass
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riffs and maybe go out there on tour and connect
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with people and they can sing those words back to us,
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and then we'll then we'll know that we, you know,
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did the right thing.
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Yeah, it's funny. It's funny you say that about the
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like the tragedy machine or whatever. I've seen it on
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Instagram a number of memes, and I'm sure you've seen
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them as well as like an unspeakably sad thing happens
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to us, master it on makes a masterpiece album like
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this is.
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That just is? It's just the theme.
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I mean, I've traded all for my people back. Obviously,
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obviously I don't. I don't want this record to be
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about this. I hate the fact that it is. You know,
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I've said it in a few interviews already, but I'd
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love to go back to writing about Bigfoot and the
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Luckless Monster. That'd be real cool. Maybe next time.
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Nobody right here we go, we're putting.
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That we're at that age. You know, I'm a fifty
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one year old dude. I mean, what do you expect
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from life? You know, you're lucky to have these deep
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relationships with other human beings.
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So I mean, this is what it is.
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Well, the album is going to be. I'm so excited
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for it in the way that I just want to
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see how everything comes together, and especially because you're you
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brought in a lot of friends to work on this record,
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you know, with the Lamb of Guy coming in, the
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Guy's from Converge doing a couple of songs, Geezer Butler
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from Freaking Black Sabbath playing playing bass.
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What's he doing? Yeah?
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He did a bass intro for a song called The
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Vanishing and man, it's it's phenomenal.
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What he what he gave us.
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I mean, he really could have just hit an open
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a and I'd been like, that's Gezer Butler. Oh, I'm like,
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you do anything, you could do whatever you want.
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But he, but he.
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It was important to him to give us something awesome,
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you know. So I'm so, I mean, it's it's it's amazing.
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And you know, The Vanishing is is a song that's
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it's it's in the Sabbath realm.
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It's very very Sabbathy.
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We were we were sort of immersed in Sabbath for
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so many months when we were doing that, back to
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the beginning concert and then you know, prior to that,
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it was just was like NonStop Sabbath and uh.
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And after that.
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Show, everybody was so incredibly moved by it. Going into
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the studio, we just felt real Sabbathy felt real, real Ozzy.
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You know. So the song itself is.
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About kind of going into going out into the cosmos
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and trying to find my sister's constellation and making sure
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that my mother's constellation found.
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Her and that they're okay.
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And Geezer was my mom's favorite out of Sabbath, because
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she would say, and I can hear her saying that
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he wrote the lyrics. Man, So see what my parents
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were Sabbath hippies. Not nothing against grateful dead hippies, but
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my my, my mom and dad were firmly in the
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Sabbath Zappa camp of of hippiedom.
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That's a word.
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But so having Deezer on that song in particular, it's
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just like, wow.
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That's beautiful. And the black Sabbath era hippies are truly
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the more superior ones. So I will I will stand
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by you on that one.
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Before we go.
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We have it is national winged Egg. You are from Buffalo,
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so we gotta talk wings Rochester but well close, yeah,
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so that counts right.
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I mean the Bill's Buffalo and Green Bay that I
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think there's a lot of similarities.
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December thirteenth, Sunday night football. I know in Lambeau, are
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I'm not sure that I can make it. We'll see,
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I would love to, it would be it would be incredible.
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Hell yeah, hell yeah. Okay, then rapid fire for the wings.
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Then are you flats or drums?
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That makes sense? Medium, mild or hot?
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that's why I'm not.
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I mean, that's like, that's a that's an insult in
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Western New York. You know, just when when Patrick Mahomes
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comes to town, you see people pulling up signs Patrick
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Mahomes eats boneless wings with ranch dressing. Oh my god,
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I mean that's the worst. That's one of the worst
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Well hold on to that one, all right, bron Thanks
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for the time today and looking forward to seeing you
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Yeah, buddy, thank you,
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got that the tour of it and it was just
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such an amazing day. Then you guys put on a
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hell of a show over at the Rest Center. And
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since then, what a year it has been. How are you.
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I'm doing all right?
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and I'm feeling pretty good right now.
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to a lot of people about when they make music
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and how it's such a relief to get it out.
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you're talking about Bill was like anxious about releasing it
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and being like, oh, what are people going to think
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of things? And You're like, at that, man, I'm just
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there's some trepidation. Obviously, there's we've lost a pretty girl
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member of our group and a brother, so uh, you know,
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there's a little bit of I wonder what they're gonna think.
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and and but it doesn't. I mean, you know, it doesn't.
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I guess while people, while people are talking about it,
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we're still making We're making new stuff. So I don't know,
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being vulnerable artistically and then putting out there for people
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to scrutinize. But I don't know, they're gonna think what
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they think. I can't control it. The only thing I
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can control is if I like it and I love it,
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so good.
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Good enough for me. And but speaking of being vulnerable,
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you guys did something that I've never seen a band
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do before, and that was when you released the that
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mini documentary about you know, Brent his life with you
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as a band, what led to him leaving the band
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and then the very complicated and awful end of all
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of that. And what was it that Because most bands
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would have just like put out a statement on Instagram,
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you know, a notes page, what was it that you
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were like, No, we got we got to show people.
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ahead of the press. We knew we were going to
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be talking about it a lot, and you never know
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what publications are going to grab whatever headlines and take
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you know, things get brought out of context, and we
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wanted something that we could point to and say, no,
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this is exactly how we feel from our perspective in
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our mouths. And you know, I felt like I was
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thinking about the fans, you know, and I just was
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thinking that, you know, we hadn't really addressed things, and
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we let things sit there, you know, and so I didn't.
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obligation to them to give them some kind of explanation
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as to why things were the way that they were,
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you know, without spilling too much tea. And I, you know,
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never want to speak ill of the dead. But we
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never really got our opportunity to sort of put out
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the fires that he started online about us and stuff.
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was happening. But a lot of fans were like, no,
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this is how he really feels, you know, and I
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just don't believe that, and you know, I think that,
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so I just felt like we couldn't just leave it there,
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you know, you know, I love the guy, and obviously
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was fully anticipating a a reconciliation at some point and
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maybe even jammed together again. But it didn't. It didn't happen.
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to to talk about him, the good, the bad, and
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the ugly, just because people weren't gonna believe us if
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we just came out and said no, everything was fine,
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because obviously it wasn't, you know, it was very He
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had been pretty vocal that things weren't fine, you know,
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bit before we proceed forward with with with all the
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new music and all the new, the new new, I
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thought it was important, you know.
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a couple of songs to come out that really st
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the tone for the record. You know, your Ghosts again
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that song, You've done it a lot where you just
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are able to the words that you and the band
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come up with to experience like the suddenness of someone
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being gone like that one is truly something that I'm like,
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oh my god, I can't like I the other day
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I thought I saw my dad waving to me as
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I was driving down the road that it wasn't there.
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it feels like I'm just waiting. You can almost hear
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like Brent in the background screaming and doing that like
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the Blood Mountain era type of vocals, and it's it's
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a ghost. I think you guys aren't. I don't know,
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are you wrestling with it or did you like embrace it,
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like bring it in to the soul and massage it out?
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learned a lot from him. We became intertwined our musical
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kind of souls. I guess throughout the twenty six years
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of playing together. There's no way around it, you know,
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especially somebody such a unique player like him, became so
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deeply embedded in the sound that.
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myself have we came together as four kind of unique
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players that produced the sound that is massed on. So
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moving forward, I think that anything that we create, you know,
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if you play with someone for that long, you just
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sort of subconsciously lean towards stuff that sounds like that,
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you know. So I think he'll his mark will always
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be felt in the mass it on sound. But it's
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us as well, obviously. You know, when we went into
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the studio, it was probably six days after Brent had passed,
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and I was definitely questioning whether or not that was
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a good idea, just because with everything that had happened,
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my mom's passing, the the turmoil with Brent, and then
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him his untimely demise, I didn't feel good, you know,
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and it was hard for me to get out of
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bed and and even think about going down to the
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studio to play drums. I just you know, you can
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talk about grief, and you can talk about all these things,
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and you know, you can nod your head and go yeah,
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but unfortunately, it's it's a feeling everybody's most people are
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familiar with. Thank God, the body doesn't remember this pain
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for too much for for for too too long, and
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with every passing days gets a little bit lighter incrementally,
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get stuff done, it's hard to be productive because it
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just you're you're the physical manifestation of grief can be.
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get out of bed and go and all of us
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sort of banding together, almost like the scene from three
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hundred where they're kind of in a cocoon with these
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big shields around each other, just to make sure that
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no outside forces could get in. It's sort of what
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it felt like being in the studio, and it was
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really nice having Juang and Nick. They're kind of fresh
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perspective and not as bogged down with the grief as
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myself and Troy and Bill were, and they could sort
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the in the room and and working on these these
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musical arrangements. And at the end of each day, when
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dinner and to see my wife and and my dog.
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for us to be able to come out the other
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happened and how we all feel about it, you know,
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instead of sort of, you know, doing what men do usually,
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hide and push that ship down and pretend it doesn't
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exist and go about your business. You know, luckily we
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have this, you know, this tragedy bucket called mast it
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on what it's come over the last ten years, that
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we can put stuff in and uh and sort of
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not forget about it, but hopefully turn it into something beautiful,
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riffs and maybe go out there on tour and connect
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with people and they can sing those words back to us,
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and then we'll then we'll know that we, you know,
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did the right thing.
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like the tragedy machine or whatever. I've seen it on
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them as well as like an unspeakably sad thing happens
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That just is? It's just the theme.
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about this. I hate the fact that it is. You know,
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I've said it in a few interviews already, but I'd
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Luckless Monster. That'd be real cool. Maybe next time.
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Nobody right here we go, we're putting.
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That we're at that age. You know, I'm a fifty
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one year old dude. I mean, what do you expect
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from life? You know, you're lucky to have these deep
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relationships with other human beings.
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for it in the way that I just want to
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see how everything comes together, and especially because you're you
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brought in a lot of friends to work on this record,
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you know, with the Lamb of Guy coming in, the
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from Freaking Black Sabbath playing playing bass.
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Vanishing and man, it's it's phenomenal.
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a and I'd been like, that's Gezer Butler. Oh, I'm like,
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you do anything, you could do whatever you want.
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you know. So I'm so, I mean, it's it's it's amazing.
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it's it's in the Sabbath realm.
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the beginning concert and then you know, prior to that,
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it was just was like NonStop Sabbath and uh.
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Show, everybody was so incredibly moved by it. Going into
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the studio, we just felt real Sabbathy felt real, real Ozzy.
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You know. So the song itself is.
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About kind of going into going out into the cosmos
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and trying to find my sister's constellation and making sure
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that my mother's constellation found.
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Her and that they're okay.
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And Geezer was my mom's favorite out of Sabbath, because
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she would say, and I can hear her saying that
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he wrote the lyrics. Man, So see what my parents
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were Sabbath hippies. Not nothing against grateful dead hippies, but
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my my, my mom and dad were firmly in the
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Sabbath Zappa camp of of hippiedom.
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That's a word.
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But so having Deezer on that song in particular, it's
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just like, wow.
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That's beautiful. And the black Sabbath era hippies are truly
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the more superior ones. So I will I will stand
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by you on that one.
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Before we go.
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We have it is national winged Egg. You are from Buffalo,
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so we gotta talk wings Rochester but well close, yeah,
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so that counts right.
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I mean the Bill's Buffalo and Green Bay that I
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think there's a lot of similarities.
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You know, it's sick.
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It's a football first town. Like everywhere, it's just everywhere.
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And that's the same with Rochester Buffalo. It's just it's
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everywhere you go.
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So yeah, and we got we got Bills versus Packers
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December thirteenth, Sunday night football. I know in Lambeau, are
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you gonna come down?
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I'm not sure that I can make it. We'll see,
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all right.
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I would love to, it would be it would be incredible.
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But I'll reach out if I do.
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Hell yeah, hell yeah. Okay, then rapid fire for the wings.
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Then are you flats or drums?
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Drums?
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That makes sense? Medium, mild or hot?
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Medium?
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And blue cheese or ranch blue cheese? Hell yeah, brother,
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that's why I'm not.
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I mean, that's like, that's a that's an insult in
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Western New York. You know, just when when Patrick Mahomes
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comes to town, you see people pulling up signs Patrick
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Mahomes eats boneless wings with ranch dressing. Oh my god,
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I mean that's the worst. That's one of the worst
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insults of all time up there.
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Well hold on to that one, all right, bron Thanks
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for the time today and looking forward to seeing you
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down in Chicago in early October.
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Yeah, buddy, thank you,
