What Does Freedom Really Mean? | Dan Chung

On this episode of the Decisions Podcast, Jonathan Pitts sits down with Dan Chung, co-founder and executive director of Crossing Borders, who has spent more than 20 years serving North Korean refugees. Dan shares the story that first opened his eyes to the human reality behind the headlines, the extraordinary risks refugees take to find freedom, and the trauma many carry even after reaching safety.

Together, Jonathan and Dan explore what freedom really means, how suffering changes the way we see gratitude and dignity, and why Dan’s years of serving refugees have changed his own understanding of ambition, family, faith, and what it means to make a difference.

If you’ve ever wondered how to keep moving forward when life feels uncertain, how to faithfully pursue the work God has placed on your heart, or how to balance waiting on God with taking practical steps toward your passions, this conversation is for you.