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Speaker 1: This is Dan Kaples and welcome to today's online podcast edition of The Dan Kaplis Show. Please be sure to give us a five star rating if you'd be so kind, and to subscribe, download, and listen to the show every single day on your favorite podcast platform.
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Speaker 2: For Dan today and tomorrow. Because he has to watch his little kid graduate. You know, they celebrate every little achievement these days. Yeah, he moves from second grade to third grade, they have a ceremony. I mean, yeah, this one. He graduates Harvard Law School. You know, every little easy achievement is celebrated with these kids. Anyway, I guess Dan can raise his kid anyway he wants. That's the kind of thing you want to celebrate your kid making it through Harvard. But yeah, it's not like it's not like you want to know. Soccer Tournament three h three seven, one, three eight two five fives seven to one to three Talk. Kyle Clark knocked it out of the park in this one. I asked him how much prep he put into this interview with Victor Marx, and he told me he watched over two hundred hours of the podcasts and the films and the the book and all the other stuff that Victor Marx put out. He said quite clearly. Victor said, people aren't listening to he what he did. They're just listening to rumors. So he did the right thing and listened to them listen to it. Apparently he was given thirty minutes window for the interview. He had to go down and take a tour of the the training center where the magic happens. Usually when a politician wants to wants to win, they want to get on media, unless it's terribly unfriendly media, which a lot of people consider Kyle to be. But usually you go down to the station. Oh, this guy, you have to come here. I think again, it pains me to be so complimentary. But Kyle was patient. He let he let this guy have enough rope to sound absolutely batty. He sounded like that guy goes he maybe I killed somebody. Maybe I didn't. I'm not saying what does that mean? So how many people did you say? Well, you know more than one, but less than a million. Can we talk to any of them? No, that would be for security sake. We can't. We can't do that. The word shady comes to my mind. Mind. I don't know about you. It was incredible. All right, let's get back to some of these phone calls. Want to make sure everybody's here. I don't know if Carlos is still with us. Carlos, welcome you with John KELDERA all right, Gary and Jim is that what you said? Let's talk to Jim. All right, Jim down in Castle Rock welcome.
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Speaker 3: Hey, thanks, thanks for having me on. Yeah, my pleasure. Evangelic. We're doing good evangelical Christians. And I'm you know, I hear a lot about you know, Victor Marx and Scott Bottoms. You know, you know, I feel like that, you know, we're not going to get anywhere with either one of those. Got a lot of a lot of baggage, a lot of stuff. And I you know, I'm suggesting all my family and friends vote for Barb Kirkmeyer. I just think that, you know, they may, you know, the other two may have like a less than a one percent chance that Barb Kirkmeyer might might have a chance.
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Speaker 2: And I think might have a chance.
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Speaker 3: Right. I don't want to see I don't want to see the Republican Party as a laughing stock.
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Speaker 2: You know that's well, the Republican Party in Colorado, unfortunately, is a laughing stock. But you don't know what happens during a race. You don't know what what pops out. And there are other races that tee off of the governor race, you know. So there will be two big races here. One will be for hicken Looper's reelection, assuming he wins his his nomination, that that'll be a cakewalk when it comes to this. There are down ballot races, and having a Republican gubernatorial candidate that doesn't embarrass the party goes a long way to help a lot of other candidates. But between Trump and somebody like marx Or or Scott Bottoms, it's going to be harder for those down ballot candidate. It's you know, and that's that's just the way. That's just the way the Kokie crumbles.
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Speaker 3: That's why I feel too. Yeah, I mean it's just like, you know, Martin might have a chance, and I think that she's got you know, she's sane, and you know, it's got some ideas about you know, fixing the roads, and you know.
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Speaker 2: Because she's got experiences, you know, not only was she a county commissioner, which is really hands on. I think it's the best form of government we have in Colorado to have county commissioners. That's that is a very intimate way to do governance and it's it's not a booster kind of job. And in the legislature, she sits on the JBC, the Joint Budget Committee, And you might not know this, but that is the powerhouse committee that decides the financial priorities of the state. It's where you get to look under the hood of the budget. It's it's pretty involved stuff, and she can master it.
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Speaker 3: I haven't met her a couple of times, and she's, yeah, she's she's come to some commercial real estate and different you know, different meetings and stuff, and I think that she's you know, she's got some she's got the experience, and that's you know, I just think that the other two candidates, you know, my hope is they're going to split, you know, whatever Christians that want to vote for one of the two, and that you know, everybody that.
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Speaker 2: I know and is an evangelical Christian, let me ask you this question, is it more important to have a candidate that reflects your evangelical Christian values or your public policy political values?
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Speaker 3: Oh, definitely, public policy values, you know, and just understanding how to actually govern the state. I mean, yeah, I just think that there can be some people that sort of get off on a tangent and you know, support you know, one of the two of them. I mean I I was sort of shocked that, you know, Lauren Bobert, you know, came out for Victor Marx and things like that, and it just like, I don't think that. I don't think that was that made me sense.
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Speaker 2: So no, but it's it's Lauren Bobert, So you know, it's it's it's well Keldera's first political axiom. There is nothing Republicans can't mess up except I don't use the word mess And it gets proven. It gets proven each and every time. Hey, Jim, thanks for the phone call. Three h three seven to one three eight two five five. Did you say that Gary is still on the line with us? We unfortunately just lost Gary about two seconds ago. Okay, so we got open lines finally, all right, everyone, was the first time since we started to have some open lines. Love to get your take on that. How hard is it for you to give Kyle Carler Clark a compliment? Will you compliment him on this interview? I have to, I thought his patience was perfect, and his his how to put it prep work was well done. If you're a fan of Dan Kaplish or any good lawyer, you know that you do your work before you go to court. When you're a sloppy talk show host like me, you don't always have to do that. But when it comes to an interview like this, it matters. It absolutely matters. What surprised you the most out of the interview the idea that it would not matter to voters if he killed people. I mean, I still find that playing Koi, the whole playing Koi thing is just annoying. It was annoying in junior high school. It was annoying with like, yeah, maybe I got a new toy. Maybe maybe maybe I didn't. Maybe I got the newest, coolest toy. You don't know if I did or didn't.
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Speaker 3: Hmmm.
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Speaker 2: I mean that's that's what it is. It's this weird coyness of claiming you've done something and then kind of backpedaling, but say, maybe I've done it. You know you killed somebody when you were seven because your father forced to do Is that okay? Can't really verify anything that you did when you were that age. Why don't we go back and see if we can verify what you did recently? How did you save these forty kids? Oh wait a second, you just gave some money to a police department or granted some money to an organization that did it. So these macho ads that you put on as you're taking off your bullet proof vest, that's that's what was going on. I don't I don't buy it. And if it's not important for us to buy it, why do you lead with it? You know that you lead with it on every fundraising letter you do, Victor Marx, you lead on it with every commercial and video you do. Therefore, I think we are justified in asking for answers and maybe a little proof. Call it due diligence, something Republicans inevitably never do, and that's why we end up with guys like Dan Mays. Give me a call three h three seven one three eight two five five seven to one three talk. I'm John Calderrek. Keep it right here, six thirty k how and now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
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Speaker 4: So that they can hire officers, they can hire they can buy vehicles, they can get technology, that kind of thing and your own organization PCI says that you do so without directing cases, so you're not actually involved in the actual rescues themselves in those.
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Speaker 2: Situations, may rescues here in the US. No.
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Speaker 4: No, So when you say our team rescued forty three children from the grips of the evil predators, you mean to say your organization gave a grant to officers who went out and rescued.
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Speaker 5: Those kids, well, or any of those officers here at our retreat center getting trained.
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Speaker 2: That could have been.
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Speaker 4: When were those MoU signed because I see dates in September of twenty twenty five. That raid was in late twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you would need to check with Buddy Jericho, who's the commander of the task force and your manager, right, Yeah, I don't hold onto those details like that. Okay, I love that. So you you weren't there, well, not in this country, which implies I've been outside of this country, you know, fighting to save save kids, and so you just gave them money to other other people, law officers, Well, you know law officers that might have been trained here on my cool compound, my extra macho compound. What I mean it just read through it. One of one of one of the most interesting interviews I have seen. All right, let's let's get to these phone calls. Let's talk to Troy Troy good at evening. I'm John Caldera, glad to have you on the Dan Kaplis Show. Hi, Troy Troy going once Hello, Hello, I I I couldn't hear you. We got you now? Thanks?
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Speaker 3: Okay? Cool?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, So, welcome to the Secret Life of Victor Marx. Otherwise Walter Mitty Victor Marx. I really don't care about what he's doing right now. I'm more concerned with Colorado is the entire state. You know, you've talked about Dan May's in twenty ten. How many people actually know about the blueprint, how the Democrats won Colorado and why Republicans everywhere sheep care. So this is a paperback that was published in the first to May twenty ten.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, my friend Rob Whitten wrote it with my friend Adam Schrager, formerly of Channel nine, and he explained in detail how the left used infrastructure and instead of throwing their money at people the way that Republican donors do, they threw their mind at long term building of infrastructure, similar to what we do at independence institute and gave it the full funding, get needed and lo and behold over fifteen years they got everything they wanted and more.
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Speaker 6: Right, So that relates back to rules for Radicals.
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Speaker 2: I'm listening to keep going for radicals. Yeah, so also or Saul Saul Linski.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, medical sal Olenski wrote Rules for Radicals back in nineteen seventy. So this is you know, repunkins are scrambling in this state trying to figure out the game. Well, the Democratic Socialists had the game figured out back in the back in the seventies, and they are playing the game very well. Well, the road map is laid out. I'm not a you know, a conspiracy, you know not. I don't care about the end of that. But you know the Chinese are funding, you know, through many organizations, these antipa radicals. Uh, you know, every protests that you see, the well printed signs, stable to the sticks show up at the site, you know, the paid protesters show up at the site, pick up the signs and demonstrate.
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Speaker 2: It's more than that. What Solowinski laid out was a type of political warfare that was longer, slower, and overall much much more effective. Hey, uh, Troy call me, I can squeeze. That's the thing.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the same as the Chinese.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Americans think in months and the Chinese thinking decades.
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Speaker 2: Let me put it differently. Republicans think in terms of ninety days, Democrats think in terms of a decade. The Chinese think in terms of a century. Who's going to win all these wars? All right, thanks for the call. Let's go to Charles here, Charles, welcome. You're with John Caldera. Hey, Charles, I.
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Speaker 6: Can't believe I'm speaking to you.
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Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm speaking to you.
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Speaker 3: I know you'd never remember me. I I'll expect you to.
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Speaker 7: But I spoke to you in nineteen ninety five when.
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Speaker 6: I first moved to Denver.
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Speaker 8: Spoke to you again about twenty fifteen.
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Speaker 6: You don't sound any younger, but I.
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Speaker 8: Promise you I don't sound as young as you.
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Speaker 3: And I just salute you.
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Speaker 6: I d to stay with topic.
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Speaker 8: I did speak to Mike Rosen in about twenty fifteen live on air.
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Speaker 3: I remember where I.
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Speaker 8: Was parked in my FedEx truck, and I said, if this dope goes through, we're.
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Speaker 2: Going to have a deep blue state.
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Speaker 3: YEP.
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Speaker 8: So I'm not trying to brag, but that's what has happened, and they got us, and I was just really calling to salute you.
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Speaker 6: I called Peter Boyles a few weeks ago.
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Speaker 8: You guys, there's just really no words to describe your ability to keep going in this business.
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Speaker 2: You are legends. Well, thank you.
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Speaker 7: You know.
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Speaker 2: Well, unlike Rosen and my friend Pete and Rosen, who's by the way, on our board of trustees for Independence Institute, my real gig is running Independence Institute. I'm just happy to keep my feet wet in talk radio. I missed my late night show on KOA. That was just so delightful. The best part about the late night radio is the boss is a sleep.
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Speaker 6: Do you still living Boulder, my man?
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Speaker 2: Oh I still do. I'm still still the outlier there.
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Speaker 8: Wow.
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Speaker 7: You know I had.
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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, but I had.
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Speaker 8: I had a terrible divorce and a loss of business and I had to escape.
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Speaker 9: The area at the north and I get it.
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Speaker 2: Hey, I got to run commercials coming up. Thank you so much for those kind kind words. I greatly appreciate it. Give me call three oh three seven one three eight two five five. You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show. Podcast team at Independence Institute. Go to Thinkfreedom dot o RG, Thinkfreedom dot o RG, and also check out Complete Colorado. Complete Colorado is a news service without paywalls. Not only do you get to read our reporters and opinion leaders, but we aggregate stories from around the state to keep you informed of the news. All one stops shopping. That's Complete Colorado dot com. Give it a give it a try. It's a little bit of luck. It'll it'll be on your daily rotation. All right, let's get back to these phone calls. Three oh three, seven to one, three eight, two, five five. Let's talk to William. Good afternoon, William. You're John Caldera.
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Speaker 9: Hi, can know all you guys are k w All you seem to do is know how to do?
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Speaker 3: Is is bad?
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Speaker 9: Mount Victor Marsh, I wish you'd just be quiet about it.
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Speaker 2: Why do you wish you'd be what? I can't speak to anybody else other than myself.
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Speaker 9: So if he wins the primary, are you going to vote Democrats?
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I might end up voting for him even if he won the primary. But he hasn't won the primary yet. When when is a good time to talk about who should win the primary before the primary or for after?
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Speaker 9: So w is Victor Marx says, and Victor Mark says? Kind of tiring?
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Speaker 2: Don Well, let me ask you a couple of questions. Who will you be voting for in the Republican primary?
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Speaker 9: I honestly have not made up my mind yet.
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Speaker 2: Come on, now, if it were held today, who would you vote for?
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Speaker 9: I'm absolutely positively serious.
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Speaker 2: All right, Well, let me I'll put it in a different form. If the election were being held today, who would you vote for in the primary?
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Speaker 9: Probably Kirk Meyer?
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Speaker 2: Okay, I would do the same.
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Speaker 9: It could change.
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Speaker 2: Okay, can you see yourself voting for Victor Marx? And if so, why?
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Speaker 1: Uh?
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Speaker 9: Today?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 9: Well, my understanding is that he's putting on a different type of campaign than most people are used to, and if it worked for him, that's the possibility, and I could vote for him.
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Speaker 2: Do you think a Republican has a good shot of becoming governor any of the Republicans?
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Speaker 9: Quite honestly, no. But if they do, they're gonna have to deal with a Democrat legislature, and that's more concerning to me.
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Speaker 2: So you don't think Republicans can win back either the House or Senate. No, I don't I agree with you. Do you think that Victor Marx would draw more people back to the Republican Party or repel people from the Republican Party.
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Speaker 7: I can't answer that.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Oh, you canna have an opinion.
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Speaker 9: No, at this point, I don't have an opinion on them.
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Speaker 2: Well, only twenty two percent of Colorado voters are registered Republicans, something like twenty six percent are registered Democrats, and fifty one percent are unaffiliated, as I am, and I never thought I would be.
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Speaker 9: Well. One of the things that I've always said is that if the Republicans had the right message, it wouldn't make any dang difference how many unaffiliated voters there were.
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Speaker 2: I tend to agree with you. But in order to have the right message, you need to have you need to have some sort of consistency. And right now, the main message from the Republican Party in Colorado is Trump won the election in twenty twenty and we're going to die on that hill. And that doesn't ring as any issue. What I don't see the Colorado GOP standing for anything except complete dysfunction.
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Speaker 9: Well, actually, what I'd like to see, John is I'd like to see them put ads on showing all the damn legislative flaws that they put through over the last four to eight years, and to show the people what the heck is going on if the people actually knew how many bad laws there were, and how many laws they were against the parents against their putting parents against their children, et cetera. I think there's a possibility they could win, but I have never seen anything more than a milk past campaign from any Republicans for as long as I can remember.
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Speaker 2: We've had some incredible Republican candidates, but it's been a long long time.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, their campaign sucks, all the new ones, all the.
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Speaker 2: New ones, and it's it's because it's because Republicans get very infatuated with personalities, including Victor Marx or whomever it is, or Dan Mays. We don't get infatuated with the system of winning policy chain. The left cares about policy change. You think about all the money that came into the leftist coffers came from rut Bridges and Jared Polis and Tim Gill and Pat Striker, and they wanted one thing. They wanted gay marriage. Back then, they wanted civil unions, and it was a very easy thing to identify. We want this, how do we go about doing it? And they realized Republicans weren't going to get it for him, so they started playing in democratic politics, putting money into registering voters, community organizing, vote harvesting operations. Everything completely legal, but it's hard, boring, expensive work, and they were willing to do it. Republican donors and Republican boosters get excited about whatever shiny election is in front of them, and for time, you reap what you sew.
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Speaker 9: Well, that's what I say. They got to go back to all the legislative laws and actually show people what they did and what the effect is.
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Speaker 2: I think it's a grand idea. All right, So here's a bigger question for you. Let me give you the bigger question. Our next governor is going to either be Phil Wiser or Michael Bennett. I find both of that those thoughts nauseating. Will you if as an unaffiliated I don't know if you're unaffiliated, but I'll get both a Republican primary ballot and a Democratic primary ballot. The question for us and questions for guys like me, which one do I use? Do I use the Republican one to try to help make sure that Barb Kirkmeyer wins because that would be less embarrassing for down ballot Republicans. Or do I vote in the in the Democratic primary, where I believe Michael Bennett is not nearly as socialistic as as Phil Wiser. It's just a tiny bit less socialistic. Which which which which primary should I? I was just gonna ask which primary should I vote in? Ben?
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Speaker 9: It would be much less armful than uh, the other guy, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Than Wiser. I think he would be less less bad. That's the if we want to use the term, he would be slightly less awful. How's that there's agree on all? Right, then help me with this one. For guys like me who agree with you on this, who are unaffiliated, We're going to get a Republican ballot and a Democratic ballot, but I can only return one. Which one should I return?
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Speaker 9: Well, I'm not in that vote, so I can't tell you.
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Speaker 2: Give me your advice.
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Speaker 9: You take your own advice.
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Speaker 2: Okay, thanks for the call, have yourself a great afternoon. Three oh three seven one three eight two five five seven to one three talk. We've only got fifteen minutes left here, so let me throw this one out the same question I just asked our caller. For those of us who are independent unaffiliated, we'll get a Republican primary ballot and a Democratic primary ballot. Should which one should I return? Should I return the one to hopefully get Barb Kirkmeyer elected to the to the general election or the one that keeps Phil Wiser and oh my god, Jenna Jenna Griswold from being on the prime being on the general election ballot? Which which one of these ballots should I return? And keep in mind fifty one percent of us who vote in Colorado will be getting two ballots. Where is that vote? Most useful? Help me? Three oh three seven one three eight two five five seven to one three talk? Keep it right here, you're on six thirty k how and now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast left. I'm John Caldera filling in for Dan Caplis. I'll be with you tomorrow afternoon as well. Well, lines are blown up here, let's just get right to them. See how many of these folks we can get there. I will be short with you just because we've got jam lines and so many people want us talk. Let's go to number one. Talk to Jack Welcome with John Caldera.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, John, the Democrats seemed to be.
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Speaker 7: Can you hear me, John, I got you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that Democrats seem to be continually trying to push gay marriage.
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Speaker 6: And that's exactly the reason why I call him degenocrats. And I don't see how you can argue with that.
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Speaker 3: What's your thoughts.
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Speaker 2: I can argue with that completely because gay marriage is the law of the land around the country and it's a dead issue. And also, I don't think it's degenerate. I've got friends who are gain. If they want to be miserable and married, go for it, you know. And if you don't want to marry a dude, don't marry a dude. That's a little awful what we're talking about. Jack.
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Speaker 6: Thanks for the call.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to keep riving through these calls. Let's go and talk to Sabrina next. Hey, Sbrin, Welcome. You're with John Calderow. I.
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Speaker 7: Yes, I take issue with your comments earlier about Republicans just going for shiny shiny, pretty pretty. Unfortunately that is the case for those with Karl Marx. Karl Marx, excuse me, that's his dad, Victor Marx, who is Victor Vaughan by the way. So he's got a lot of shadowy things going on, and the people are unfortunately being captivated by that. But there are strong grassroots folks Republicans that have been, you know, working our tails off for for true good candidates.
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Speaker 2: Why there there are some. Let me be more precise, Sabrina, Maybe this will clear my point. There are some hard work. There are a lot of hard working people who work for Republican candidates and Republican causes. The difference is the money isn't there to build long term infrastructure which is required to win elections in years to come. I'm talking about recruiting people. I'm talking about vote harvesting, voter registration, drives, community organizing, a narrative, building all the rest of this stuff that takes a lot of time.
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Speaker 7: You have them, yeah, But the left has the mega donors, They have the George Soroses and the Height Foundation and all those characters, and they're here's we the people who should have this. And I just want to say that the rhinos stabus in the back every single time. We have very weak Republicans in this state. There's only a handful that actually fight, and those are the guys, I'm going for but I just want to let you know that we're we're kicking but trying to do and we are talking to Democrats who are tired of this left wing Tommy insanity.
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Speaker 2: Let me let me challenge on that, Sabrina, Sabrina, let me challenge on that. And I don't mean to be mean, and I don't mean to take away from all your enthusiasm. Uh, but when you say we're kicking butt, no you're not. Well, Republicans don't control anything here. Your butt has been chicked. That's quite the oppice.
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Speaker 9: Energy.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, with Scott Bottoms of who I'm behind, I'm meant that in the sense of energy and trying to give our full measure to reclaim the state of Colorado. That's all I'm speaking about. Yes, I know we're we're the underdog all the way because we don't have all the money of the big mega donors. So, but we've got principles, not things like that on our site.
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Speaker 3: So that's what I want.
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Speaker 2: Those donors that do put money, and there is a lot of money that goes into conservative causes and conservative candidates and initiatives. That money does not go into the infrastructure that needs to be built year after year after year to win not today but years in the future. And and you're right, it's it's it's it's the deep pockets that keep putting money in the wrong and the wrong stuff and shiny stuff. Hey, thanks for the call. Let me see if I can squeeze in these others. Chris. Welcome, Chris. You're with John Caldera.
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Speaker 5: Hey, John, Chris Quick as a professional activist and right now we're gathering signatures for some initiatives.
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Speaker 3: And I'm sure you're familiar.
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Speaker 2: What do you mean, you know? What do you mean a professional activist? What do you do? How do you make your money?
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Speaker 5: Work for several canvassing companies that you know of it? Okay, so you're a petition gatherer and I will be knocking on doors come August for probably whoever's the governor.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, the job you have is a tough one, paid signature gatherers. It is a talent. It is a skill to be able to do it. So you get paid. How much do you get paid for signature on average? Right now?
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Speaker 3: Three?
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Speaker 5: On top of that, John, when I started in twenty nineteen, we were doing polling for the Independence Institute.
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Speaker 3: So you know who I work for?
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Speaker 2: Huh oh okay, oh some not that shady outfit. Shouldn't trust them at all? You don't anymore anyway, No, I run the place. I wouldn't trust them. I know what goes on at the Independence Institute. For people who don't get it, that's a joke, all right.
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Speaker 5: Anyway, I'm going to tell you this, Okay, I've been really involved for years and years here in Colorado, and I'm going to vote for Barb Kirkmeyer. I am a regious to Republican. I just can't ever abandon the party.
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Speaker 2: I just can't, and especially the Gabe.
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Speaker 3: Why it's in my blood.
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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this question. Right now, you're going to get a Republican primary ballot and it really won't matter. But when it comes to keeping Jenna Griswold or Phil Wiser out of office, wouldn't it be better for you to vote in the Democratic primary, which you could only do if you're unaffiliated, So you're limiting your choices as a Republican these days.
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Speaker 5: Well, what I'm concerned about is that if somebody looting like Victor Marx would have become the candidate.
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Speaker 2: It would hurt campaigns such.
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Speaker 5: As Gabe Evans uh and after it's good point, and that's that is a superb point.
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Speaker 2: If if there's an empar fine point to end this show on we'll be back tomorrow, do it. If if Victor Marx is the lead Republican, what does that do for Gabe Evans, who's in the fight of life,
Speaker 1: This is Dan Kaples and welcome to today's online podcast edition of The Dan Kaplis Show. Please be sure to give us a five star rating if you'd be so kind, and to subscribe, download, and listen to the show every single day on your favorite podcast platform.
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Speaker 2: For Dan today and tomorrow. Because he has to watch his little kid graduate. You know, they celebrate every little achievement these days. Yeah, he moves from second grade to third grade, they have a ceremony. I mean, yeah, this one. He graduates Harvard Law School. You know, every little easy achievement is celebrated with these kids. Anyway, I guess Dan can raise his kid anyway he wants. That's the kind of thing you want to celebrate your kid making it through Harvard. But yeah, it's not like it's not like you want to know. Soccer Tournament three h three seven, one, three eight two five fives seven to one to three Talk. Kyle Clark knocked it out of the park in this one. I asked him how much prep he put into this interview with Victor Marx, and he told me he watched over two hundred hours of the podcasts and the films and the the book and all the other stuff that Victor Marx put out. He said quite clearly. Victor said, people aren't listening to he what he did. They're just listening to rumors. So he did the right thing and listened to them listen to it. Apparently he was given thirty minutes window for the interview. He had to go down and take a tour of the the training center where the magic happens. Usually when a politician wants to wants to win, they want to get on media, unless it's terribly unfriendly media, which a lot of people consider Kyle to be. But usually you go down to the station. Oh, this guy, you have to come here. I think again, it pains me to be so complimentary. But Kyle was patient. He let he let this guy have enough rope to sound absolutely batty. He sounded like that guy goes he maybe I killed somebody. Maybe I didn't. I'm not saying what does that mean? So how many people did you say? Well, you know more than one, but less than a million. Can we talk to any of them? No, that would be for security sake. We can't. We can't do that. The word shady comes to my mind. Mind. I don't know about you. It was incredible. All right, let's get back to some of these phone calls. Want to make sure everybody's here. I don't know if Carlos is still with us. Carlos, welcome you with John KELDERA all right, Gary and Jim is that what you said? Let's talk to Jim. All right, Jim down in Castle Rock welcome.
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Speaker 3: Hey, thanks, thanks for having me on. Yeah, my pleasure. Evangelic. We're doing good evangelical Christians. And I'm you know, I hear a lot about you know, Victor Marx and Scott Bottoms. You know, you know, I feel like that, you know, we're not going to get anywhere with either one of those. Got a lot of a lot of baggage, a lot of stuff. And I you know, I'm suggesting all my family and friends vote for Barb Kirkmeyer. I just think that, you know, they may, you know, the other two may have like a less than a one percent chance that Barb Kirkmeyer might might have a chance.
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Speaker 2: And I think might have a chance.
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Speaker 3: Right. I don't want to see I don't want to see the Republican Party as a laughing stock.
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Speaker 2: You know that's well, the Republican Party in Colorado, unfortunately, is a laughing stock. But you don't know what happens during a race. You don't know what what pops out. And there are other races that tee off of the governor race, you know. So there will be two big races here. One will be for hicken Looper's reelection, assuming he wins his his nomination, that that'll be a cakewalk when it comes to this. There are down ballot races, and having a Republican gubernatorial candidate that doesn't embarrass the party goes a long way to help a lot of other candidates. But between Trump and somebody like marx Or or Scott Bottoms, it's going to be harder for those down ballot candidate. It's you know, and that's that's just the way. That's just the way the Kokie crumbles.
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Speaker 3: That's why I feel too. Yeah, I mean it's just like, you know, Martin might have a chance, and I think that she's got you know, she's sane, and you know, it's got some ideas about you know, fixing the roads, and you know.
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Speaker 2: Because she's got experiences, you know, not only was she a county commissioner, which is really hands on. I think it's the best form of government we have in Colorado to have county commissioners. That's that is a very intimate way to do governance and it's it's not a booster kind of job. And in the legislature, she sits on the JBC, the Joint Budget Committee, And you might not know this, but that is the powerhouse committee that decides the financial priorities of the state. It's where you get to look under the hood of the budget. It's it's pretty involved stuff, and she can master it.
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Speaker 3: I haven't met her a couple of times, and she's, yeah, she's she's come to some commercial real estate and different you know, different meetings and stuff, and I think that she's you know, she's got some she's got the experience, and that's you know, I just think that the other two candidates, you know, my hope is they're going to split, you know, whatever Christians that want to vote for one of the two, and that you know, everybody that.
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Speaker 2: I know and is an evangelical Christian, let me ask you this question, is it more important to have a candidate that reflects your evangelical Christian values or your public policy political values?
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Speaker 3: Oh, definitely, public policy values, you know, and just understanding how to actually govern the state. I mean, yeah, I just think that there can be some people that sort of get off on a tangent and you know, support you know, one of the two of them. I mean I I was sort of shocked that, you know, Lauren Bobert, you know, came out for Victor Marx and things like that, and it just like, I don't think that. I don't think that was that made me sense.
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Speaker 2: So no, but it's it's Lauren Bobert, So you know, it's it's it's well Keldera's first political axiom. There is nothing Republicans can't mess up except I don't use the word mess And it gets proven. It gets proven each and every time. Hey, Jim, thanks for the phone call. Three h three seven to one three eight two five five. Did you say that Gary is still on the line with us? We unfortunately just lost Gary about two seconds ago. Okay, so we got open lines finally, all right, everyone, was the first time since we started to have some open lines. Love to get your take on that. How hard is it for you to give Kyle Carler Clark a compliment? Will you compliment him on this interview? I have to, I thought his patience was perfect, and his his how to put it prep work was well done. If you're a fan of Dan Kaplish or any good lawyer, you know that you do your work before you go to court. When you're a sloppy talk show host like me, you don't always have to do that. But when it comes to an interview like this, it matters. It absolutely matters. What surprised you the most out of the interview the idea that it would not matter to voters if he killed people. I mean, I still find that playing Koi, the whole playing Koi thing is just annoying. It was annoying in junior high school. It was annoying with like, yeah, maybe I got a new toy. Maybe maybe maybe I didn't. Maybe I got the newest, coolest toy. You don't know if I did or didn't.
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Speaker 3: Hmmm.
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Speaker 2: I mean that's that's what it is. It's this weird coyness of claiming you've done something and then kind of backpedaling, but say, maybe I've done it. You know you killed somebody when you were seven because your father forced to do Is that okay? Can't really verify anything that you did when you were that age. Why don't we go back and see if we can verify what you did recently? How did you save these forty kids? Oh wait a second, you just gave some money to a police department or granted some money to an organization that did it. So these macho ads that you put on as you're taking off your bullet proof vest, that's that's what was going on. I don't I don't buy it. And if it's not important for us to buy it, why do you lead with it? You know that you lead with it on every fundraising letter you do, Victor Marx, you lead on it with every commercial and video you do. Therefore, I think we are justified in asking for answers and maybe a little proof. Call it due diligence, something Republicans inevitably never do, and that's why we end up with guys like Dan Mays. Give me a call three h three seven one three eight two five five seven to one three talk. I'm John Calderrek. Keep it right here, six thirty k how and now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
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Speaker 4: So that they can hire officers, they can hire they can buy vehicles, they can get technology, that kind of thing and your own organization PCI says that you do so without directing cases, so you're not actually involved in the actual rescues themselves in those.
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Speaker 2: Situations, may rescues here in the US. No.
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Speaker 4: No, So when you say our team rescued forty three children from the grips of the evil predators, you mean to say your organization gave a grant to officers who went out and rescued.
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Speaker 5: Those kids, well, or any of those officers here at our retreat center getting trained.
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Speaker 2: That could have been.
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Speaker 4: When were those MoU signed because I see dates in September of twenty twenty five. That raid was in late twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you would need to check with Buddy Jericho, who's the commander of the task force and your manager, right, Yeah, I don't hold onto those details like that. Okay, I love that. So you you weren't there, well, not in this country, which implies I've been outside of this country, you know, fighting to save save kids, and so you just gave them money to other other people, law officers, Well, you know law officers that might have been trained here on my cool compound, my extra macho compound. What I mean it just read through it. One of one of one of the most interesting interviews I have seen. All right, let's let's get to these phone calls. Let's talk to Troy Troy good at evening. I'm John Caldera, glad to have you on the Dan Kaplis Show. Hi, Troy Troy going once Hello, Hello, I I I couldn't hear you. We got you now? Thanks?
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Speaker 3: Okay? Cool?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, So, welcome to the Secret Life of Victor Marx. Otherwise Walter Mitty Victor Marx. I really don't care about what he's doing right now. I'm more concerned with Colorado is the entire state. You know, you've talked about Dan May's in twenty ten. How many people actually know about the blueprint, how the Democrats won Colorado and why Republicans everywhere sheep care. So this is a paperback that was published in the first to May twenty ten.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, my friend Rob Whitten wrote it with my friend Adam Schrager, formerly of Channel nine, and he explained in detail how the left used infrastructure and instead of throwing their money at people the way that Republican donors do, they threw their mind at long term building of infrastructure, similar to what we do at independence institute and gave it the full funding, get needed and lo and behold over fifteen years they got everything they wanted and more.
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Speaker 6: Right, So that relates back to rules for Radicals.
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Speaker 2: I'm listening to keep going for radicals. Yeah, so also or Saul Saul Linski.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, medical sal Olenski wrote Rules for Radicals back in nineteen seventy. So this is you know, repunkins are scrambling in this state trying to figure out the game. Well, the Democratic Socialists had the game figured out back in the back in the seventies, and they are playing the game very well. Well, the road map is laid out. I'm not a you know, a conspiracy, you know not. I don't care about the end of that. But you know the Chinese are funding, you know, through many organizations, these antipa radicals. Uh, you know, every protests that you see, the well printed signs, stable to the sticks show up at the site, you know, the paid protesters show up at the site, pick up the signs and demonstrate.
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Speaker 2: It's more than that. What Solowinski laid out was a type of political warfare that was longer, slower, and overall much much more effective. Hey, uh, Troy call me, I can squeeze. That's the thing.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the same as the Chinese.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Americans think in months and the Chinese thinking decades.
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Speaker 2: Let me put it differently. Republicans think in terms of ninety days, Democrats think in terms of a decade. The Chinese think in terms of a century. Who's going to win all these wars? All right, thanks for the call. Let's go to Charles here, Charles, welcome. You're with John Caldera. Hey, Charles, I.
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Speaker 6: Can't believe I'm speaking to you.
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Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm speaking to you.
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Speaker 3: I know you'd never remember me. I I'll expect you to.
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Speaker 7: But I spoke to you in nineteen ninety five when.
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Speaker 6: I first moved to Denver.
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Speaker 8: Spoke to you again about twenty fifteen.
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Speaker 6: You don't sound any younger, but I.
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Speaker 8: Promise you I don't sound as young as you.
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Speaker 3: And I just salute you.
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Speaker 6: I d to stay with topic.
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Speaker 8: I did speak to Mike Rosen in about twenty fifteen live on air.
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Speaker 3: I remember where I.
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Speaker 8: Was parked in my FedEx truck, and I said, if this dope goes through, we're.
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Speaker 2: Going to have a deep blue state.
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Speaker 3: YEP.
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Speaker 8: So I'm not trying to brag, but that's what has happened, and they got us, and I was just really calling to salute you.
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Speaker 6: I called Peter Boyles a few weeks ago.
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Speaker 8: You guys, there's just really no words to describe your ability to keep going in this business.
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Speaker 2: You are legends. Well, thank you.
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Speaker 7: You know.
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Speaker 2: Well, unlike Rosen and my friend Pete and Rosen, who's by the way, on our board of trustees for Independence Institute, my real gig is running Independence Institute. I'm just happy to keep my feet wet in talk radio. I missed my late night show on KOA. That was just so delightful. The best part about the late night radio is the boss is a sleep.
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Speaker 6: Do you still living Boulder, my man?
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Speaker 2: Oh I still do. I'm still still the outlier there.
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Speaker 8: Wow.
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Speaker 7: You know I had.
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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, but I had.
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Speaker 8: I had a terrible divorce and a loss of business and I had to escape.
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Speaker 9: The area at the north and I get it.
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Speaker 2: Hey, I got to run commercials coming up. Thank you so much for those kind kind words. I greatly appreciate it. Give me call three oh three seven one three eight two five five. You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show. Podcast team at Independence Institute. Go to Thinkfreedom dot o RG, Thinkfreedom dot o RG, and also check out Complete Colorado. Complete Colorado is a news service without paywalls. Not only do you get to read our reporters and opinion leaders, but we aggregate stories from around the state to keep you informed of the news. All one stops shopping. That's Complete Colorado dot com. Give it a give it a try. It's a little bit of luck. It'll it'll be on your daily rotation. All right, let's get back to these phone calls. Three oh three, seven to one, three eight, two, five five. Let's talk to William. Good afternoon, William. You're John Caldera.
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Speaker 9: Hi, can know all you guys are k w All you seem to do is know how to do?
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Speaker 3: Is is bad?
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Speaker 9: Mount Victor Marsh, I wish you'd just be quiet about it.
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Speaker 2: Why do you wish you'd be what? I can't speak to anybody else other than myself.
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Speaker 9: So if he wins the primary, are you going to vote Democrats?
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I might end up voting for him even if he won the primary. But he hasn't won the primary yet. When when is a good time to talk about who should win the primary before the primary or for after?
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Speaker 9: So w is Victor Marx says, and Victor Mark says? Kind of tiring?
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Speaker 2: Don Well, let me ask you a couple of questions. Who will you be voting for in the Republican primary?
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Speaker 9: I honestly have not made up my mind yet.
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Speaker 2: Come on, now, if it were held today, who would you vote for?
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Speaker 9: I'm absolutely positively serious.
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Speaker 2: All right, Well, let me I'll put it in a different form. If the election were being held today, who would you vote for in the primary?
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Speaker 9: Probably Kirk Meyer?
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Speaker 2: Okay, I would do the same.
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Speaker 9: It could change.
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Speaker 2: Okay, can you see yourself voting for Victor Marx? And if so, why?
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Speaker 1: Uh?
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Speaker 9: Today?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 9: Well, my understanding is that he's putting on a different type of campaign than most people are used to, and if it worked for him, that's the possibility, and I could vote for him.
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Speaker 2: Do you think a Republican has a good shot of becoming governor any of the Republicans?
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Speaker 9: Quite honestly, no. But if they do, they're gonna have to deal with a Democrat legislature, and that's more concerning to me.
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Speaker 2: So you don't think Republicans can win back either the House or Senate. No, I don't I agree with you. Do you think that Victor Marx would draw more people back to the Republican Party or repel people from the Republican Party.
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Speaker 7: I can't answer that.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Oh, you canna have an opinion.
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Speaker 9: No, at this point, I don't have an opinion on them.
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Speaker 2: Well, only twenty two percent of Colorado voters are registered Republicans, something like twenty six percent are registered Democrats, and fifty one percent are unaffiliated, as I am, and I never thought I would be.
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Speaker 9: Well. One of the things that I've always said is that if the Republicans had the right message, it wouldn't make any dang difference how many unaffiliated voters there were.
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Speaker 2: I tend to agree with you. But in order to have the right message, you need to have you need to have some sort of consistency. And right now, the main message from the Republican Party in Colorado is Trump won the election in twenty twenty and we're going to die on that hill. And that doesn't ring as any issue. What I don't see the Colorado GOP standing for anything except complete dysfunction.
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Speaker 9: Well, actually, what I'd like to see, John is I'd like to see them put ads on showing all the damn legislative flaws that they put through over the last four to eight years, and to show the people what the heck is going on if the people actually knew how many bad laws there were, and how many laws they were against the parents against their putting parents against their children, et cetera. I think there's a possibility they could win, but I have never seen anything more than a milk past campaign from any Republicans for as long as I can remember.
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Speaker 2: We've had some incredible Republican candidates, but it's been a long long time.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, their campaign sucks, all the new ones, all the.
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Speaker 2: New ones, and it's it's because it's because Republicans get very infatuated with personalities, including Victor Marx or whomever it is, or Dan Mays. We don't get infatuated with the system of winning policy chain. The left cares about policy change. You think about all the money that came into the leftist coffers came from rut Bridges and Jared Polis and Tim Gill and Pat Striker, and they wanted one thing. They wanted gay marriage. Back then, they wanted civil unions, and it was a very easy thing to identify. We want this, how do we go about doing it? And they realized Republicans weren't going to get it for him, so they started playing in democratic politics, putting money into registering voters, community organizing, vote harvesting operations. Everything completely legal, but it's hard, boring, expensive work, and they were willing to do it. Republican donors and Republican boosters get excited about whatever shiny election is in front of them, and for time, you reap what you sew.
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Speaker 9: Well, that's what I say. They got to go back to all the legislative laws and actually show people what they did and what the effect is.
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Speaker 2: I think it's a grand idea. All right, So here's a bigger question for you. Let me give you the bigger question. Our next governor is going to either be Phil Wiser or Michael Bennett. I find both of that those thoughts nauseating. Will you if as an unaffiliated I don't know if you're unaffiliated, but I'll get both a Republican primary ballot and a Democratic primary ballot. The question for us and questions for guys like me, which one do I use? Do I use the Republican one to try to help make sure that Barb Kirkmeyer wins because that would be less embarrassing for down ballot Republicans. Or do I vote in the in the Democratic primary, where I believe Michael Bennett is not nearly as socialistic as as Phil Wiser. It's just a tiny bit less socialistic. Which which which which primary should I? I was just gonna ask which primary should I vote in? Ben?
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Speaker 9: It would be much less armful than uh, the other guy, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Than Wiser. I think he would be less less bad. That's the if we want to use the term, he would be slightly less awful. How's that there's agree on all? Right, then help me with this one. For guys like me who agree with you on this, who are unaffiliated, We're going to get a Republican ballot and a Democratic ballot, but I can only return one. Which one should I return?
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Speaker 9: Well, I'm not in that vote, so I can't tell you.
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Speaker 2: Give me your advice.
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Speaker 9: You take your own advice.
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Speaker 2: Okay, thanks for the call, have yourself a great afternoon. Three oh three seven one three eight two five five seven to one three talk. We've only got fifteen minutes left here, so let me throw this one out the same question I just asked our caller. For those of us who are independent unaffiliated, we'll get a Republican primary ballot and a Democratic primary ballot. Should which one should I return? Should I return the one to hopefully get Barb Kirkmeyer elected to the to the general election or the one that keeps Phil Wiser and oh my god, Jenna Jenna Griswold from being on the prime being on the general election ballot? Which which one of these ballots should I return? And keep in mind fifty one percent of us who vote in Colorado will be getting two ballots. Where is that vote? Most useful? Help me? Three oh three seven one three eight two five five seven to one three talk? Keep it right here, you're on six thirty k how and now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast left. I'm John Caldera filling in for Dan Caplis. I'll be with you tomorrow afternoon as well. Well, lines are blown up here, let's just get right to them. See how many of these folks we can get there. I will be short with you just because we've got jam lines and so many people want us talk. Let's go to number one. Talk to Jack Welcome with John Caldera.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, John, the Democrats seemed to be.
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Speaker 7: Can you hear me, John, I got you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that Democrats seem to be continually trying to push gay marriage.
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Speaker 6: And that's exactly the reason why I call him degenocrats. And I don't see how you can argue with that.
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Speaker 3: What's your thoughts.
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Speaker 2: I can argue with that completely because gay marriage is the law of the land around the country and it's a dead issue. And also, I don't think it's degenerate. I've got friends who are gain. If they want to be miserable and married, go for it, you know. And if you don't want to marry a dude, don't marry a dude. That's a little awful what we're talking about. Jack.
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Speaker 6: Thanks for the call.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to keep riving through these calls. Let's go and talk to Sabrina next. Hey, Sbrin, Welcome. You're with John Calderow. I.
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Speaker 7: Yes, I take issue with your comments earlier about Republicans just going for shiny shiny, pretty pretty. Unfortunately that is the case for those with Karl Marx. Karl Marx, excuse me, that's his dad, Victor Marx, who is Victor Vaughan by the way. So he's got a lot of shadowy things going on, and the people are unfortunately being captivated by that. But there are strong grassroots folks Republicans that have been, you know, working our tails off for for true good candidates.
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Speaker 2: Why there there are some. Let me be more precise, Sabrina, Maybe this will clear my point. There are some hard work. There are a lot of hard working people who work for Republican candidates and Republican causes. The difference is the money isn't there to build long term infrastructure which is required to win elections in years to come. I'm talking about recruiting people. I'm talking about vote harvesting, voter registration, drives, community organizing, a narrative, building all the rest of this stuff that takes a lot of time.
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Speaker 7: You have them, yeah, But the left has the mega donors, They have the George Soroses and the Height Foundation and all those characters, and they're here's we the people who should have this. And I just want to say that the rhinos stabus in the back every single time. We have very weak Republicans in this state. There's only a handful that actually fight, and those are the guys, I'm going for but I just want to let you know that we're we're kicking but trying to do and we are talking to Democrats who are tired of this left wing Tommy insanity.
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Speaker 2: Let me let me challenge on that, Sabrina, Sabrina, let me challenge on that. And I don't mean to be mean, and I don't mean to take away from all your enthusiasm. Uh, but when you say we're kicking butt, no you're not. Well, Republicans don't control anything here. Your butt has been chicked. That's quite the oppice.
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Speaker 9: Energy.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, with Scott Bottoms of who I'm behind, I'm meant that in the sense of energy and trying to give our full measure to reclaim the state of Colorado. That's all I'm speaking about. Yes, I know we're we're the underdog all the way because we don't have all the money of the big mega donors. So, but we've got principles, not things like that on our site.
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Speaker 3: So that's what I want.
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Speaker 2: Those donors that do put money, and there is a lot of money that goes into conservative causes and conservative candidates and initiatives. That money does not go into the infrastructure that needs to be built year after year after year to win not today but years in the future. And and you're right, it's it's it's it's the deep pockets that keep putting money in the wrong and the wrong stuff and shiny stuff. Hey, thanks for the call. Let me see if I can squeeze in these others. Chris. Welcome, Chris. You're with John Caldera.
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Speaker 5: Hey, John, Chris Quick as a professional activist and right now we're gathering signatures for some initiatives.
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Speaker 3: And I'm sure you're familiar.
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Speaker 2: What do you mean, you know? What do you mean a professional activist? What do you do? How do you make your money?
00:33:09
Speaker 5: Work for several canvassing companies that you know of it? Okay, so you're a petition gatherer and I will be knocking on doors come August for probably whoever's the governor.
00:33:22
Speaker 2: And by the way, the job you have is a tough one, paid signature gatherers. It is a talent. It is a skill to be able to do it. So you get paid. How much do you get paid for signature on average? Right now?
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Speaker 3: Three?
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Speaker 5: On top of that, John, when I started in twenty nineteen, we were doing polling for the Independence Institute.
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Speaker 3: So you know who I work for?
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Speaker 2: Huh oh okay, oh some not that shady outfit. Shouldn't trust them at all? You don't anymore anyway, No, I run the place. I wouldn't trust them. I know what goes on at the Independence Institute. For people who don't get it, that's a joke, all right.
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Speaker 5: Anyway, I'm going to tell you this, Okay, I've been really involved for years and years here in Colorado, and I'm going to vote for Barb Kirkmeyer. I am a regious to Republican. I just can't ever abandon the party.
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Speaker 2: I just can't, and especially the Gabe.
00:34:21
Speaker 3: Why it's in my blood.
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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this question. Right now, you're going to get a Republican primary ballot and it really won't matter. But when it comes to keeping Jenna Griswold or Phil Wiser out of office, wouldn't it be better for you to vote in the Democratic primary, which you could only do if you're unaffiliated, So you're limiting your choices as a Republican these days.
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Speaker 5: Well, what I'm concerned about is that if somebody looting like Victor Marx would have become the candidate.
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Speaker 2: It would hurt campaigns such.
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Speaker 5: As Gabe Evans uh and after it's good point, and that's that is a superb point.
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Speaker 2: If if there's an empar fine point to end this show on we'll be back tomorrow, do it. If if Victor Marx is the lead Republican, what does that do for Gabe Evans, who's in the fight of life,
