Doc & Jacques: Final Arrangements – Funeral Traditions and Choices

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How are you today, Jacques? I'm doing fine,
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doctor. Greetings, everyone, and welcome to the Doc
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Okay. What medical marvels and good medicine and
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health tips does my German medical doctor, patent
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holding scientist, and university professor have for us
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today on this week's edition of
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doctor Gigi
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or MD Gigi, pardon me.
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We're gonna be talking about the kidneys. The
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kidneys. Sweet. Your favorite. The kidneys. She loves
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talking about kidneys. Favorite organs.
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Oh. Because they are greatly underrated
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in what they do for us.
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So k. First of all, the kidneys are
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two large
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bean shaped organs located just barely below the
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rib cage on the back on either side
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of the spine.
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Each kidney is roughly the size of a
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large fist
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and weighs about a quarter of a pound.
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Oh, a kidney quarter pounder
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in a butt bun. Yummy.
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Not really.
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Quarter pounder. Okay. Each kidney contains about 1,000,000
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so called nephrons.
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K. Which are the functional units, meaning that's
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where the kidney function gets its function from.
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They are responsible for getting the kidney's
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magic done as said below coming up. Oh,
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drum roll. So it includes the blood filtration,
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reabsorption of certain substances, and secretion of others.
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When you're born, you actually have four kidneys,
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doctor. Mhmm. But as you age, two of
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them become adult knees.
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Specific kidney joke. You know, that's pretty good.
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Alright. Each kidney filters about fifty
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five hour gallons of blood daily Wow. Wow.
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Wow. Producing about 1.5
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quarts of urine. Oh, you're in trouble. So
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so what gets filtered through these nephrons?
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Get this. K. Basically, everything
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contained in the blood
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gets squozin through the nephrons except Squozin through?
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That's German talk. Squeezed. Squozin, I think, is
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real. It's correct. Except the blood cells and
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large proteins. They don't fit through those pores.
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After filtering everything through, the kidneys then go
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ahead and get everything back of what we
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do not want to lose. So water comes
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back in, sugar comes back in, amino acids,
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electrolytes,
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such as sodium, potassium, calcium, phosphate,
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etcetera. In some substances,
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we don't we don't wanna get back, like
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waste products such as
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urea
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Yeah. Yeah. From protein metabolism
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or uric acid
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from Okay. Flake acid metabolism
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and drug byproducts. Wow. Are you aware, doctor,
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that England has no kidney bank?
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But it does have a Liverpool.
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I'm trying to be so serious today. We
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had some serious
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fun times ahead.
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Alright. Well, you kind of got me stopped
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there in my element. So wait. Wait. Wait.
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Wait. There's more. Okay. Tell us. The kidneys
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also get rid of hydrogen ions, which is
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h h plus as an acid, and reabsorb
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bicarbonate,
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which is negatively, it's a base thing,
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to get our blood in a perfect pH
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balance. So our blood is always around the
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pH of 7.4.
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Wow. I thought it was much lower than
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that, but that's okay. The kidneys are also
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the main blood pressure regulators. Wait. Stop. Yep.
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Wait. Wait. Wait. They regulate
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our blood pressure, you're telling me?
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Yes. The long long distance the long term
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blood pressure, there's always the heart. People think
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The heart. It's done by the heart, which
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is only a very short term regulator, like,
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when we're working out, our blood pressure has
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to go up.
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But really, the long term, for example, but
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the long term is done by the kidneys.
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Oh, but
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Didn't know that. They release the enzyme renin,
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which activates the so called renin
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angiotensin
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aldosterone
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system. Hey, doctor. I know it fits the
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lung, but I mean that's Yeah. Important to
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know. It controls it. And that's what controls
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our blood pressure because it balances blood volume
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and sodium and other electrolyte
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levels in the kidneys. Okay. Very cool. Right?
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Mouth as well. The kidneys are also part
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of the endocrine system.
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What is an endocrine system? Yeah. That's ridiculous.
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They make hormones. The endocrine system makes hormones.
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Okay. So the kidneys make erythropoietin
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Not the which stimulates,
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get this, the red blood cell production. I
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know where that is in your bones. In
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the bone marrow. Yeah. That's crazy.
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They also make another hormone, calcitriol,
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that
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us lay people call vitamin g. D. Darn
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it. Vitamin d is a hormone, believe it
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or not. Really? And it maintains bone and
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muscle health. Hey, doctor. If you had to
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choose just one, just one body part that
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had the ability to smell, would you
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pick your nose?
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Okay. I also have a fun fact. Okay.
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Come on. Shake it with your best shot.
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The yellow color in the urine
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comes from a pigment called bilirubin.
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The bilirubin is derived from a breakdown of
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old red blood cells. Oh. Now this is
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the fun fact. Listen. Kinda weird. Interesting
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and fun. The bilirubin has to get altered
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in the liver first to be excreted in
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the urine.
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If that's not the fun part. If the
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liver is not working, the bilirubin gets excreted
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in the feces instead,
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which will then turn tan or yellowish
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in color. And the urine will turn brown
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Because the yellow is not there anymore. And
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the doctor would know these kind of intros.
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Is that cool though? She thinks that she
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thinks that's cool. Okay, that's really, that is
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pretty cool. Yeah. Okay, so if your bilirubin
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is tan,
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you know what? Then maybe you should talk
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to your doctor. Right? Okay. The feces, but
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alright. Okay. There you go. Hey, what kind
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of texture are the kidneys, doctor? Are they
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I was once told when I had kidney
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cancer twenty four years ago
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that they are like giant sponges
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inside. Is that true?
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So the kidneys are themselves very solid. They
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have a capsule, so called capsule around it.
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It's a dense,
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hard organ. If you touch a kidney, it's
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called a capsule.
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It's firm to the touch, so it's not
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spongy. However,
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you're gonna be maybe talking about those nephrons.
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They have
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a glomerulus,
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which is the actual sponge that is the
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the the thing where that filters through it.
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So it has little holes in it. It's
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not spongy, but it has the holes where
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the blood gets swollen through. Okay. I was
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diagnosed with kidney cancer because I passed a
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stone, and then they did the routine follow-up.
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And that was very, very painful, that, kidney
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stone. What are kidney stones?
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If you don't mind
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elaborating.
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Kidney stones are usually a hard pebble.
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Like Pebble. Pebble. Pebble. Yeah. Like masses that
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form inside of the kidneys when, for example,
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the urine has high levels
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of oxalate, then you have the oxalate, stromes,
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stromes.
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So any of that stuff that can,
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crystallize out,
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that's what your kidney stones are. Okay. Usually,
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so you can have the calcium oxalate, which
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is found in meats.
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The oxalate is found in meats. Yeah. Boom.
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Calcium phosphate,
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uric acid stones, struvite as in,
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Mine were pretty small. Cystine. About the size
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of a pea maybe. And he showed it
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to me.
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Like the doctor. P like the Like the
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Like the P E A. Yeah. Not urine.
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Trouble. So, yeah. They can range from the
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size of a grain of sand or actually
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size of a golf ball. Particularly, they're not
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Wait a minute. Did you say golf ball?
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They're not
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round usually.
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So Yeah. They are they have little because
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they're crystal, so they're growing in all kinds
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of,
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like, stag horn
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type. The struvite stones that look like stag
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horns. Kinda Yeah. Like Brave Simons.
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You know what I said? It's true.
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Okay. But if you set a golf ball
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size, I mean, seriously, that how would that
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possibly that would be a hole in one.
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Right? I mean,
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it wouldn't cause the hole this if you
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Yeah. So you you told me that you
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thought it might kind of get squoos into
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the skin or something. No. It hurts so
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bad that I and and the doctor said
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it's because it's it's not following a path.
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Yeah. Well, it does. It has to follow
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our path because otherwise, it won't come out.
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If it stays there, then actually one has
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to go do a lithotripsy
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or something to destroy the kidney stones and
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then pieces come out.
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But if it does get passed, it has
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to pass through wherever the pee goes. Right?
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Right. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So it is so
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it can be very painful. It can be
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painful after you pass it because you have
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irritated the walls. The for example, the urethral
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walls quite a bit because they had to
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stretch to get that stone passed through.
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Okay. I walked into the barn, ordered a
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pint of less.
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The bartender asked me, what's less?
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I don't know, I said, but doctor Gigi
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specifically
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told me to start drinking
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less.
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Okay.
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What else? Is kidney cancer on the rise,
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doc?
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Well, kidney cancer rates have been going up
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like all the other cancers, but all other
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cancers really have gone up in a faster
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rate. So even though it has gone up
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less
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drastically than other cancers.
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So we're thinking maybe that imaging
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pre like, you were diagnosed with imaging for
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something not really related for cancer,
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has made it less likely to die from
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cancer, but
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really, we detect it more or earlier earlier
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stages Right. The cancer that is, but you
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also detect the stones then faster.
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include for cancer now include smoking, believe it
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or not, obesity,
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and some other hereditary
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conditions k. As for the cancer and the
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stones. Other reasons
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to not smoke if you smoke, Even if
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you smoked a long time, it's always never
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too late to start. Right. Yeah. Obesity, well,
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we just gotta run more and keep ourselves
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better shape and eat better in The United
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States. Doctor, when you die, what part of
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your body dies the very last? Which one?
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The pupils in your eyes because they dilate.
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Alrighty.
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Okay. Thank you for that entertaining,
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description and talk about kidneys, your favorite organ
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in the body. Alright. Isn't it fascinating
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in this Halloween season that we're in that,
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well, let me let me start this over
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again. I've got I've got I've got chapters
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one and two in this prologue. Okay. Because
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it's an important prologue. Mhmm. First and foremost,
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I have this disclaimer to make that when
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we had today's originally scheduled, guest canceled just
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one and a half weeks ago, I needed
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to act on plan b.
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And that happens from time to time and
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book new guests on very short notice. That
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said, it is completely
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coincidental that they should appear on the show
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during this Halloween week, and that's true. But
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that got me thinking. So here is chapter
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one of my prologue. Yeah. Isn't it fascinating
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in this Halloween season that staged zombies and
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skeletons crawl from graves and haunted cemeteries and
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houses? The dead and dying are fully embraced
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during this strange time of year.
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It seems everyone is out for a good
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scare.
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Ghosts and monsters populate every other front yard,
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and horror movies stalk the big screens.
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Have you noticed that this season keeps growing
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longer and longer each year?
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Like September 1, when it was like back
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to school, I noticed the first stuff in
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this grocery store with ghosts Yeah. And big
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bags of candy. Which is Right. Way early.
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What I'm trying to say is the macabre
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aspects of death isn't just accepted during this
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time.
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It's outspokenly
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glorified during these cool, crisp fall days. Here's
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a question for you. Why don't we give
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candy skulls and fake eyes
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and severed fingers and bloody spiders to one
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another on
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Valentine's Day.
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Right?
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Well, if we did, people would say how
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crude and rude and how horrible such a
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thing would be.
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The reality is talking about death
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during any other time of the year is
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pretty much taboo.
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People don't want to talk about it. And
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if they do, it's in whispers.
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Simply stated folks, they just tend to turn
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away
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and
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walk away from anything related to death. How
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many cocktails and dinner parties have you attended
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where everyone's eagerly discussing the more visceral aspects
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of death and dying? Oh, thank you. I
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assure you, they are rare indeed.
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Chapter two.
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There are very few professions that require a
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person to meet others at their most fragile
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moment in that vulnerable time between death and
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burial and beyond.
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Two of these professionals that live in our
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midst,
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who laugh and shop and dine and commune
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beside us join us in the KCIW
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studio today to talk about
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death.
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As many of you know, Doctor. Gigi is
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a co medical director and physician for hospice
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in Northern California and Southern Oregon, and she
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deals with the dying,
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but not the dead.
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Sure,
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she has signed dozens of death certificates,
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but the process and the ritual
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of receiving the dead are what today's two
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guests do best.
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They spend their days not in avoidance of
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death, but in humble dialogue with
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it. They are stewards
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of life's final passage.
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They are guides through the often blinding fog
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of loss.
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In communities up and down our rugged coast,
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people like Mary Fox
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and Jake
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Bolle? Bolle. Bolle. Bolle,
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walk daily along that thin strip of sand
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between the forest of life and the crashing
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surf of death.
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It takes a particular courage to stand and
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walk that emotional strip between life and death
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and, well, not look away.
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They meet all types of peoples and families,
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oftentimes in the deepest sorrow, and they gently
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guide them through the mysteries and the rituals
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of
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death.
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My florist in training experiences
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a few years ago had me visiting funeral
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homes in the Midwest every day, and that
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gave me the humbling chance to observe the
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dead in their silent encore
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on the final decorated stage of life.
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Funeral homes, I learned,
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were places of clean transitions.
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They bridge tears and sorrows with solace, approbation,
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and always always remembrance, either good or bad.
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And some compassionate
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providers,
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like Mary and Jake,
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often make it the impossible seem
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bearable
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one
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deep
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breath at a time. So without any more
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roughage from me, doctor Gigi and I wish
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to extend a very warm warm salutation
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to Mary and Jake. Welcome to the Doc
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and Jacques Radio Variety Show, you two. Thank
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you. Thank you. Yeah. Welcome. Thanks for joining
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us. Gigi, lead off the questions for our
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guest. Alright. We'll start with Mary. Where were
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you born and raised?
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Born in Southern California, in Alhambra.
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Grew up in Northern California,
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mostly Redding,
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from Paradise up to Redding,
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and went to college at Chico State. Chico
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State? I did too. When it was
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still Chico State, not Chico University, California, Chico.
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Right. They had pioneer days back then. We
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did. Yeah. They were fun. I remember the
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party. What brought you here?
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Actually Lovely area. We came, my husband and
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I came to visit a friend who lived
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here
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over a Labor Day weekend, and the question
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was posed, what would it take to get
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us to move here?
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And we said, a job and a place
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to stay.
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And before the weekend was over, we had
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both.
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Oh. Nice. So we packed up and moved
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over here in the 1970.
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Oh, wow. Woah. It's been a minute. Good
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guess. Wow. Wow. Wow. Jake,
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up to you now. Where were you born
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and raised?
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I was born and raised in Bend, Oregon.
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Mhmm. And I went to school,
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graduated
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high school.
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Then I took about a year off just
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to figure out what I wanted to do.
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And
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then went ahead
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and served an apprenticeship into a in a
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mortuary. And then I, of course, graduated college
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up in Portland, Oregon.
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But, yeah, that's that's
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my hometown. Ben, Oregon. You've seen the changes
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in Bend, have you not? Right. It's so
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on fire. Very yeah. Very much so. I
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mean, I just went there a couple years
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ago to visit family, and It's different. I
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cannot believe how Totally different. Changed. And I
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haven't been back in about ten years. So,
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you mean, it was a little expected Wow.
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For for the surprise. It's like 90,000. Yeah.
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But I still know where everything is, though.
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There you go. Cool.
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Now what is your what are your respective
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titles and positions, ladies first?
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I guess technically, you would call me an
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administrative
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assistant.
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I make phone calls. I book appointments. I
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do data entry,
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I greet people at the door and offer
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them coffee and water and tea There you
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go. Hand out hugs
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and general flunk. Did you say hand out
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hugs? Yeah. Hand out hugs. There you go.
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You greeted us when we first walked in
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and inquired about having you on the show.
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A couple years ago, so this is very
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good. Jake? I am the funeral director, and
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the manager. I also have a license that
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I carry as an embalmer as well. But
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my general
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duties is, you know, coordinating and making arrangements
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with the families,
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you know, just being on call twenty four
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seven, responding to any calls that we get
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in Curry County, whether it's hospice or, you
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know, Curry County dispatch,
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and, also preplanning
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the actual funerals themselves,
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preparation of the decedents. So, yeah, there's a
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lot,
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that's
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involved with, you know, I guess
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mortician would be the general title for all
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of it. On call 20
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every day? Every
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day. Every day. Wow, doctor. Yes, no. You
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don't have it so bad. Yeah. And we're
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talking about just folks. Let me let me
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put this in because it was my fault
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for not introducing them correctly.
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They are with Redwood Memorial Chapel here in
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Brookings, Oregon, but
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there is funeral chapels all over The United
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States and up and down our coast for
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sure. So Redwood Memorial Chapel,
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go ahead, Gigi. Right. Would have been my
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next question. What inspired you to get involved
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with Redwood Memorial?
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I didn't invite the job. I was working
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at the local a local florist,
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and the lady who started the Redwood Memorial
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Chapel came to introduce herself.
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And a couple of years down the road,
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she came and spoke with my boss at
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the florist and said,
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I know the florist business is slowing down.
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Could I borrow Mary part time?
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And my boss said, Oh, of course. And
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then she said, Maybe I should ask Mary.
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That was 2,007,
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and I have worked part time or full
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time at the funeral home ever since. Wow.
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So I didn't even apply for the job.
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It was just handed to me. So you
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when you were young, you were not thinking
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about
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that being a fantastic part. When I was
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young, I was gonna be a nurse till
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I discovered I passed out at the sight
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of blood. And so my sister became the
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nurse and I became a school teacher.
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00:21:05,470 --> 00:21:07,710
Oh, very cool. Till 2007,
538
00:21:07,710 --> 00:21:10,269
that's when the plans changed. Well, the school
539
00:21:10,269 --> 00:21:12,375
teacher thing went away when I had kids.
540
00:21:12,535 --> 00:21:15,015
Oh, I And so I then I went
541
00:21:15,015 --> 00:21:17,654
to work at the florist in 1994
542
00:21:17,654 --> 00:21:20,535
just for something to do. Very nice. How
543
00:21:20,535 --> 00:21:21,275
about you?
544
00:21:22,454 --> 00:21:22,954
Well,
545
00:21:23,575 --> 00:21:24,714
I was actually,
546
00:21:25,255 --> 00:21:26,490
in the process of
547
00:21:26,970 --> 00:21:28,670
getting my Washington,
548
00:21:29,529 --> 00:21:31,710
mortician's license. Yeah. I I've been
549
00:21:32,410 --> 00:21:34,410
licensed in Oregon for many years, but I
550
00:21:34,410 --> 00:21:35,069
was working
551
00:21:35,529 --> 00:21:37,710
on getting a license up into Washington.
552
00:21:38,170 --> 00:21:39,929
And I was living up in Long Beach,
553
00:21:39,929 --> 00:21:40,429
Washington
554
00:21:40,970 --> 00:21:41,789
at the time
555
00:21:42,105 --> 00:21:43,484
in 2017,
556
00:21:44,025 --> 00:21:44,684
I believe.
557
00:21:45,144 --> 00:21:45,644
And,
558
00:21:46,184 --> 00:21:48,705
and so what happened was the guy the
559
00:21:48,705 --> 00:21:51,325
the employer that I was currently working for
560
00:21:51,865 --> 00:21:53,880
had encouraged me, just
561
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,480
constantly encouraging me to relocate and go back
562
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:58,859
to Oregon because
563
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,799
he said, Long Beach, Washington, you know, it's
564
00:22:01,799 --> 00:22:03,559
not for a person like you. You're a
565
00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:05,240
young man. You need to go out and
566
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:06,920
start a family. You need to go to
567
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:07,819
a place where,
568
00:22:08,174 --> 00:22:08,995
you know, where
569
00:22:09,455 --> 00:22:11,615
where there's just not a whole anything out
570
00:22:11,615 --> 00:22:13,535
here for you. So he really encouraged me
571
00:22:13,535 --> 00:22:15,855
to just Now, is Long Beach even smaller
572
00:22:15,855 --> 00:22:18,275
than Brookgate? That's across the street. I
573
00:22:18,654 --> 00:22:19,404
would say
574
00:22:20,190 --> 00:22:22,210
Brookings is probably smaller than,
575
00:22:22,509 --> 00:22:23,950
Long Beach, Washington. Wait a minute. Are we
576
00:22:23,950 --> 00:22:25,630
talking about Long Beach right across the bridge
577
00:22:25,630 --> 00:22:27,889
from Astoria? We're talking about the the Peninsula.
578
00:22:28,029 --> 00:22:29,630
Right. So you're right. One end of the
579
00:22:29,630 --> 00:22:31,549
state. Yeah. Very top end of the state.
580
00:22:31,549 --> 00:22:33,204
And here you come all the way down
581
00:22:33,444 --> 00:22:35,144
way down to the other end. Happening
582
00:22:35,845 --> 00:22:38,964
place. Nice. Yep. Okay. Very cool. So, yeah.
583
00:22:38,964 --> 00:22:40,264
Anyways, after
584
00:22:40,565 --> 00:22:41,544
after constant
585
00:22:42,164 --> 00:22:44,484
encouragement, you know, he wasn't like I mean,
586
00:22:44,484 --> 00:22:46,325
he was just encouraging me, you know, Jake,
587
00:22:46,325 --> 00:22:47,764
you you really need to get out of
588
00:22:47,764 --> 00:22:50,140
here. This is just not a place for
589
00:22:50,140 --> 00:22:52,460
a young guy like you. So anyways, I
590
00:22:52,460 --> 00:22:54,400
I just went ahead and started applying
591
00:22:54,940 --> 00:22:56,799
back in Oregon, various mortuaries,
592
00:22:57,259 --> 00:22:58,080
just anywhere,
593
00:22:58,619 --> 00:23:00,940
that was anywhere along along the coast because
594
00:23:00,940 --> 00:23:01,934
I really love the coast.
595
00:23:02,735 --> 00:23:04,654
And then so all of a sudden, Redwood
596
00:23:04,654 --> 00:23:05,634
Memorial Chapel,
597
00:23:05,934 --> 00:23:06,515
the Travis,
598
00:23:06,894 --> 00:23:08,575
the owner at the time, had called me
599
00:23:08,575 --> 00:23:11,615
up and said, Yeah, I'd like to interview
600
00:23:11,615 --> 00:23:14,414
you. And then after the interview went well,
601
00:23:14,414 --> 00:23:16,409
he just the next question was, when can
602
00:23:16,409 --> 00:23:17,769
you start? Wow. When can you come down
603
00:23:17,769 --> 00:23:19,849
here? So for you, you never had a
604
00:23:19,849 --> 00:23:20,829
career change,
605
00:23:21,450 --> 00:23:23,450
actually. Right? You were always wanting to be
606
00:23:23,450 --> 00:23:26,269
a mortician. Right? Yeah. Yeah. After I graduated
607
00:23:26,490 --> 00:23:27,149
high school,
608
00:23:27,609 --> 00:23:29,869
after thinking about options and ideas,
609
00:23:30,345 --> 00:23:32,744
originally, I was thinking about wanting to become
610
00:23:32,744 --> 00:23:35,144
a surgeon or a doctor. Mhmm. But then,
611
00:23:35,464 --> 00:23:36,204
the mortician
612
00:23:36,505 --> 00:23:38,585
industry just I I just sort of fell
613
00:23:38,585 --> 00:23:39,325
into it.
614
00:23:39,625 --> 00:23:40,125
And
615
00:23:40,505 --> 00:23:42,025
out of the blue one day, I just
616
00:23:42,025 --> 00:23:43,544
thought what it would be like to work
617
00:23:43,544 --> 00:23:44,365
in a mortuary.
618
00:23:44,744 --> 00:23:47,220
And so I went in and applied for
619
00:23:47,220 --> 00:23:49,779
an apprenticeship position, and I worked for about
620
00:23:49,779 --> 00:23:51,700
a year. And there was a lot of
621
00:23:51,700 --> 00:23:53,860
experience in that whole first year that I
622
00:23:53,860 --> 00:23:55,460
was working. I mean, just things that I
623
00:23:55,460 --> 00:23:57,240
just never thought I would expect.
624
00:23:57,694 --> 00:23:58,194
And
625
00:23:58,494 --> 00:23:59,934
then, yeah, and then here I am, you
626
00:23:59,934 --> 00:24:01,934
know, that was like in 2002
627
00:24:01,934 --> 00:24:04,255
when I first started my apprenticeship. Wow. And
628
00:24:04,255 --> 00:24:06,335
I've been in the industry ever since. But
629
00:24:06,335 --> 00:24:08,335
you did go to college. Yeah. What did
630
00:24:08,335 --> 00:24:10,815
you study then? I studied in the,
631
00:24:11,535 --> 00:24:14,119
it's it was a funeral service program in
632
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,359
Mel Good Community College. The system. I'm sorry.
633
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,279
Yeah. They had a funeral program, and I
634
00:24:18,279 --> 00:24:20,859
served a two year program and and then
635
00:24:20,919 --> 00:24:23,559
took my national boards and then applied to
636
00:24:23,559 --> 00:24:25,684
the state Oregon board. So I I got
637
00:24:25,684 --> 00:24:27,365
licensed in Oregon because I wanted to stay
638
00:24:27,365 --> 00:24:29,045
in Oregon. I mean, my friends and family
639
00:24:29,045 --> 00:24:31,444
were here. Yeah. Good. Good. Smart idea. So,
640
00:24:31,444 --> 00:24:31,944
yeah.
641
00:24:32,325 --> 00:24:34,325
When you were young, Mary, did you ever
642
00:24:34,325 --> 00:24:36,404
think you'd be doing what you're doing today?
643
00:24:36,404 --> 00:24:38,724
No. How about you, Jake? No. Maybe? No?
644
00:24:38,724 --> 00:24:41,039
No. I had never thought Yeah. They have.
645
00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:43,519
And isn't there a call I think University
646
00:24:43,519 --> 00:24:46,080
of San Francisco, right? Mhmm. California has a
647
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,160
mortuary of science program. Yes. Yep. One of
648
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,759
the few in The United States. Yes. If
649
00:24:49,759 --> 00:24:51,940
I'm not mistaken. Yeah. That's fascinating.
650
00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:55,039
Is there any option to a funeral at
651
00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:57,345
home? Let me say this different. Can people
652
00:24:57,345 --> 00:24:59,265
make their own arrangements and bury their own
653
00:24:59,265 --> 00:25:01,984
dead? Absolutely. You're kidding me. Absolutely. I did
654
00:25:01,984 --> 00:25:04,164
not think that would be
655
00:25:04,865 --> 00:25:06,705
possible. I mean, how often does it actually
656
00:25:06,705 --> 00:25:08,945
happen? Oh, very, very rare. I mean, in
657
00:25:08,945 --> 00:25:11,609
my twenty five years of experience, I've probably
658
00:25:11,609 --> 00:25:14,590
dealt with maybe like one or two arrangements
659
00:25:14,730 --> 00:25:17,369
like that, where the family did everything, or
660
00:25:17,369 --> 00:25:18,750
they arranged to have other
661
00:25:19,049 --> 00:25:21,369
party members be involved in taking care of
662
00:25:21,369 --> 00:25:23,555
certain things. So can you bury grandma on
663
00:25:23,555 --> 00:25:25,875
your backyard here in Oregon? It's legal. Yeah.
664
00:25:25,875 --> 00:25:28,115
Absolutely. I know. I just heard today that
665
00:25:28,115 --> 00:25:29,954
somebody did that. As long as as long
666
00:25:29,954 --> 00:25:31,474
as it's okay with the owner of the
667
00:25:31,474 --> 00:25:32,115
property, then
668
00:25:32,674 --> 00:25:34,595
Better be yours. Yeah. Oh, it doesn't have
669
00:25:34,595 --> 00:25:36,240
to be disclosed when you sell the Yes.
670
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,160
That is it is true. Yeah. From my
671
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:39,920
understanding, it has to be disclosed that this
672
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,920
is a location. This this is a grave
673
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,799
where human human remains are interred. And you
674
00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:47,039
have to plan ahead a little bit because
675
00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:48,654
there are some county things that have to
676
00:25:48,654 --> 00:25:50,494
be done. Yes. Right? So you go to
677
00:25:50,494 --> 00:25:51,714
the county registrar
678
00:25:52,174 --> 00:25:54,974
county clerk's office and they provide you with
679
00:25:54,974 --> 00:25:56,115
the packet of information.
680
00:25:56,815 --> 00:25:58,414
You do need a doctor to sign the
681
00:25:58,414 --> 00:25:59,154
death certificate
682
00:25:59,934 --> 00:26:02,194
and you do need to plot the
683
00:26:02,500 --> 00:26:04,659
place on the property, and that's done with
684
00:26:04,659 --> 00:26:05,880
the assessor's office.
685
00:26:06,339 --> 00:26:08,119
And then it does have to be disclosed
686
00:26:08,339 --> 00:26:10,179
if the property is sold and there is
687
00:26:10,179 --> 00:26:12,099
grave. Yeah. Okay. There is the issue. Yeah.
688
00:26:12,099 --> 00:26:13,299
I had a friend that was buried. A
689
00:26:13,299 --> 00:26:15,140
famous doctor was buried on his property, but
690
00:26:15,140 --> 00:26:16,875
his son would not tell disclose where he
691
00:26:16,875 --> 00:26:19,355
was buried on eighty eighty acres. Mhmm. And
692
00:26:19,355 --> 00:26:20,875
it was a big hoop. This is in
693
00:26:20,875 --> 00:26:22,575
Florence, Oregon not too long ago.
694
00:26:23,515 --> 00:26:25,455
Hey, how are the dead moved?
695
00:26:25,914 --> 00:26:28,234
Okay, so first, let's start off, they die
696
00:26:28,234 --> 00:26:30,394
at home or rest home. Mhmm. What happens
697
00:26:30,394 --> 00:26:30,894
next?
698
00:26:31,589 --> 00:26:33,049
So what we do is,
699
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:37,589
from the moment we're moving the decedent from
700
00:26:37,589 --> 00:26:40,150
the place of, you know, the place of
701
00:26:40,150 --> 00:26:40,650
death,
702
00:26:41,429 --> 00:26:43,130
we go ahead and we have
703
00:26:44,005 --> 00:26:46,484
equipment that we use to transport the deceased
704
00:26:46,484 --> 00:26:48,404
back to the funeral home with. So what
705
00:26:48,404 --> 00:26:50,085
we generally do is we we have a
706
00:26:50,085 --> 00:26:52,244
sheet, or a blanket that we wrap the
707
00:26:52,244 --> 00:26:54,404
decedent up with. And then we and then
708
00:26:54,404 --> 00:26:56,404
we move them onto a cot that we
709
00:26:56,404 --> 00:26:58,480
have. And then we use that we just
710
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,400
transfer the cot with our inner van, and
711
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,880
we just, you know, transport the decedent back
712
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:03,539
that way.
713
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,359
And, you know, it's very circumstantial because sometimes
714
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,734
people could be either deceased in their bed,
715
00:27:09,974 --> 00:27:11,355
they might be on the floor.
716
00:27:11,734 --> 00:27:13,434
I mean, you just never know
717
00:27:13,974 --> 00:27:16,134
where they might be. And so we are
718
00:27:16,134 --> 00:27:18,694
prepared for that. We have equipment that we
719
00:27:18,694 --> 00:27:20,795
use for those kinds of circumstances
720
00:27:21,335 --> 00:27:23,335
if they're not deceased in the bed, that
721
00:27:23,335 --> 00:27:25,609
sort of thing. Wow. So that you don't
722
00:27:25,609 --> 00:27:27,369
have a body bag? You have Oh, yeah.
723
00:27:27,369 --> 00:27:28,650
We have body bags. We have body bags?
724
00:27:28,650 --> 00:27:30,490
Oh, yeah. For for for the real, you
725
00:27:30,490 --> 00:27:32,029
know, difficult, you know,
726
00:27:32,409 --> 00:27:34,650
cases that we deal with, yeah. And if
727
00:27:34,650 --> 00:27:36,890
somebody wanted honestly, I knew a woman who
728
00:27:36,890 --> 00:27:38,569
requested that they take her out in a
729
00:27:38,569 --> 00:27:41,585
pink body bag Mhmm. In South Carolina. I'm
730
00:27:41,585 --> 00:27:43,045
with this woman and supposedly
731
00:27:43,664 --> 00:27:45,265
they did that. Mhmm. They were able to
732
00:27:45,424 --> 00:27:47,924
she told them long enough to advance. Mhmm.
733
00:27:48,065 --> 00:27:50,785
Now that is pretty wild. Wow. Okay. How
734
00:27:50,785 --> 00:27:51,025
are they
735
00:27:51,799 --> 00:27:53,000
if you if you,
736
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,319
if you get a body here and they
737
00:27:55,319 --> 00:27:57,919
need to be flown or taken to Florida.
738
00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:59,179
Missouri or Florida.
739
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,720
They're they just put them on planes or
740
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,960
they're special trucks or It has to be
741
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,019
a known shipping,
742
00:28:05,559 --> 00:28:06,059
airport.
743
00:28:06,464 --> 00:28:06,785
So,
744
00:28:07,345 --> 00:28:08,785
it not any you can't just go to
745
00:28:08,785 --> 00:28:10,625
any airport in the state of Oregon. I
746
00:28:10,625 --> 00:28:12,544
mean, it has to be in what's called
747
00:28:12,544 --> 00:28:13,525
a known shipping.
748
00:28:14,464 --> 00:28:17,105
So for example, I mean, if somebody needed
749
00:28:17,105 --> 00:28:19,070
to be shipped out of state, they we
750
00:28:19,070 --> 00:28:21,490
would have to transport them to the Portland
751
00:28:21,549 --> 00:28:24,990
Airport because the airports up there are listed
752
00:28:24,990 --> 00:28:26,130
as known shippers.
753
00:28:26,509 --> 00:28:28,670
So unfortunately, we can't go to Medford or
754
00:28:28,670 --> 00:28:30,710
we can't go to another small airport to
755
00:28:30,910 --> 00:28:32,049
Wow. To have deceased.
756
00:28:32,674 --> 00:28:35,315
And, so so that's the the important thing.
757
00:28:35,315 --> 00:28:37,015
Yeah. They have to be a known shipper.
758
00:28:38,035 --> 00:28:38,674
And then,
759
00:28:39,154 --> 00:28:42,835
the the the whether it's a casket or
760
00:28:42,835 --> 00:28:44,054
if it's just the deceased
761
00:28:44,849 --> 00:28:45,349
themselves,
762
00:28:45,650 --> 00:28:48,789
we have a special container that they're transported
763
00:28:48,849 --> 00:28:51,250
with. So if the deceased is in a
764
00:28:51,250 --> 00:28:53,809
casket, for example, the casket would be placed
765
00:28:53,809 --> 00:28:56,309
inside of what's called an air tray. And
766
00:29:02,295 --> 00:29:04,535
casket, then they're just put into a special
767
00:29:04,535 --> 00:29:06,954
kind of combo unit that's, you know, just,
768
00:29:07,255 --> 00:29:08,154
you know, requested
769
00:29:08,775 --> 00:29:11,494
container for shipping with the air with the
770
00:29:11,494 --> 00:29:14,349
airport. Yeah. Does that matter what the people
771
00:29:14,349 --> 00:29:16,590
are dying from or what they if it's
772
00:29:16,590 --> 00:29:18,670
like an infectious disease, does that make a
773
00:29:18,670 --> 00:29:19,170
difference?
774
00:29:20,349 --> 00:29:21,570
It does make a difference.
775
00:29:22,109 --> 00:29:24,930
Now if bodies are, shipped out of state,
776
00:29:25,150 --> 00:29:26,849
we always have to have them embalmed.
777
00:29:27,325 --> 00:29:30,305
And Oh. That's because of the state requirement
778
00:29:30,365 --> 00:29:31,005
that we have,
779
00:29:31,644 --> 00:29:33,404
that so if if if a person is
780
00:29:33,404 --> 00:29:35,664
placed in, you know, a refrigeration
781
00:29:35,965 --> 00:29:39,085
holding facility Mhmm. And they they're taken out
782
00:29:39,085 --> 00:29:39,985
of that facility
783
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:43,109
prior to the disposition, whether it's burial or
784
00:29:43,109 --> 00:29:43,609
cremation.
785
00:29:44,309 --> 00:29:46,069
They they can only stay out for a
786
00:29:46,069 --> 00:29:47,529
period of six hours.
787
00:29:47,910 --> 00:29:50,230
And then after that sixth hour, the the
788
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:51,990
the remains have to be either placed back
789
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:52,730
in refrigeration
790
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:55,585
or carry out with the the disposition, whether
791
00:29:55,585 --> 00:29:56,724
it's burial or cremation.
792
00:29:57,025 --> 00:29:58,544
So that's why we have to have the
793
00:29:58,544 --> 00:30:00,544
body embalmed. And that's why I explained to
794
00:30:00,544 --> 00:30:02,944
the families that that is why it's a
795
00:30:02,944 --> 00:30:03,444
requirement.
796
00:30:04,065 --> 00:30:07,184
Generally, embalming is only required. I recommend it
797
00:30:07,184 --> 00:30:09,345
if it's either If the body is being
798
00:30:09,345 --> 00:30:10,404
shipped out of state
799
00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:13,559
or if families are saying that they're planning
800
00:30:13,559 --> 00:30:15,319
on a viewing or visitation, but it's not
801
00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:16,919
gonna be for a few weeks out because
802
00:30:16,919 --> 00:30:18,919
maybe they're waiting on family and friends to
803
00:30:18,919 --> 00:30:21,000
come into town for, you know, for their
804
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,099
service. Do you have refrigerated refrigerated
805
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,294
units there? At Yeah. I don't we don't
806
00:30:26,755 --> 00:30:29,554
just automatically embalm everybody that's brought into our
807
00:30:29,554 --> 00:30:31,014
care. We have a refrigeration
808
00:30:31,315 --> 00:30:32,294
holding facility,
809
00:30:32,755 --> 00:30:34,914
which is required by law that we have
810
00:30:34,914 --> 00:30:35,815
to keep them,
811
00:30:36,380 --> 00:30:38,380
you know, prior to the Oh, okay. We
812
00:30:38,380 --> 00:30:40,059
got a break right here real quick, folks,
813
00:30:40,059 --> 00:30:42,220
because time flies when we're having fun. It's
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00:30:42,220 --> 00:30:44,059
already that mid break time here on Doc
815
00:30:44,059 --> 00:30:46,380
and Jacques Live Radio Show proudly broadcasting from
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00:30:46,380 --> 00:30:49,119
the KCIW one hundred point seven FM Studios
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00:30:49,294 --> 00:30:52,335
in lovely coastal Brookings, Oregon Oregon and spread
818
00:30:52,335 --> 00:30:54,015
up and down the coast. The list of
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00:30:54,015 --> 00:30:56,734
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00:30:59,054 --> 00:31:01,214
Crescent City to Oakland and LA seven days
822
00:31:01,214 --> 00:31:03,789
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823
00:31:03,789 --> 00:31:06,589
own vibrant local Curry County Chamber of Commerce,
824
00:31:06,589 --> 00:31:08,509
Nick and Lisa Rail, and the PPA or
825
00:31:08,509 --> 00:31:11,150
the Partnership for the Performing Arts. And lastly,
826
00:31:11,150 --> 00:31:13,150
my dear co host doctor Gigi Reed, MD,
827
00:31:13,150 --> 00:31:15,089
and yours truly is Jacques Kapner on behalf
828
00:31:15,549 --> 00:31:16,289
of KCIW.
829
00:31:16,670 --> 00:31:18,845
Thanks to all of you. Sorry for running
830
00:31:18,845 --> 00:31:21,424
a little late, and apologies to the, engineering
831
00:31:21,565 --> 00:31:23,585
crew in the booth next to us.
832
00:31:24,285 --> 00:31:27,105
I'm fascinated by fascinating. Right. How fascinating,
833
00:31:27,965 --> 00:31:30,525
it is. Gigi, you you jump ahead and
834
00:31:30,525 --> 00:31:32,759
ask them that next time The question about
835
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:34,680
what the difference is. What's a corner? You
836
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:35,960
ask him those questions. I think this is
837
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:36,940
gonna be really interesting.
838
00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:38,299
Okay.
839
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,000
So I'm gonna ask what he tells me
840
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,840
to ask. What's a corner? Oh, I'm getting
841
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:43,660
so much.
842
00:31:44,134 --> 00:31:46,554
Tell me what to have. Right here. Yeah.
843
00:31:46,615 --> 00:31:48,714
Okay. So what is a coroner?
844
00:31:50,134 --> 00:31:52,454
Well, a coroner is somebody that takes care
845
00:31:52,454 --> 00:31:52,774
of,
846
00:31:53,335 --> 00:31:53,835
investigating
847
00:31:54,454 --> 00:31:57,654
the cause of what the deceased passed away
848
00:31:57,654 --> 00:31:58,154
from.
849
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,460
Medical examiner is a physician,
850
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,940
a doctor, but a coroner
851
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:05,860
is an elected official
852
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,140
that is responsible for investigating
853
00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:11,634
the cause of death. So is that only
854
00:32:11,634 --> 00:32:14,035
in Oregon and California or is that everywhere
855
00:32:14,035 --> 00:32:14,855
in the states?
856
00:32:15,394 --> 00:32:17,474
In any state? In my understanding, it's anywhere
857
00:32:17,474 --> 00:32:19,555
in the state. Because it Yeah. But Oregon
858
00:32:19,555 --> 00:32:21,494
does not have a coroner system.
859
00:32:22,115 --> 00:32:25,140
Or Oregon is a medical examiner system. Oh,
860
00:32:25,140 --> 00:32:27,559
that's right. And California is coroner.
861
00:32:28,019 --> 00:32:29,960
Okay. So a coroner is
862
00:32:30,740 --> 00:32:31,960
a private individual,
863
00:32:32,420 --> 00:32:32,920
and
864
00:32:33,299 --> 00:32:35,140
they may or may not have a medical
865
00:32:35,140 --> 00:32:35,640
background.
866
00:32:36,339 --> 00:32:39,380
Mhmm. But if a medical examiner is a
867
00:32:39,380 --> 00:32:39,795
physician,
868
00:32:40,595 --> 00:32:41,095
doctor.
869
00:32:41,634 --> 00:32:44,375
So a coroner who has to possibly investigate
870
00:32:44,515 --> 00:32:45,494
the death of
871
00:32:46,115 --> 00:32:47,414
why a person died,
872
00:32:47,795 --> 00:32:49,015
the the cause of it,
873
00:32:50,674 --> 00:32:51,734
without a medical
874
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:54,470
degree, how can that be? I mean, is
875
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:56,789
that it's not an anatomist or an admin?
876
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:59,349
They would look at medical records and law
877
00:32:59,349 --> 00:33:00,569
enforcement reports
878
00:33:01,429 --> 00:33:03,769
and request things like toxicology.
879
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:06,089
Okay. So that's for sleuthing
880
00:33:06,390 --> 00:33:08,089
Yeah. Only. It's not a normal
881
00:33:08,684 --> 00:33:11,085
investigation. Well, so what is a mortician then?
882
00:33:11,085 --> 00:33:12,865
Yeah. What's mortician? So the mortician's,
883
00:33:13,484 --> 00:33:13,984
responsibility
884
00:33:14,524 --> 00:33:15,184
is for
885
00:33:15,484 --> 00:33:19,005
caring for the deceased and the surviving family
886
00:33:19,005 --> 00:33:19,505
members,
887
00:33:20,365 --> 00:33:22,144
and arranging for the disposition.
888
00:33:22,829 --> 00:33:25,630
So we don't we don't investigate the causes
889
00:33:25,630 --> 00:33:27,549
like a coroner does. We just take care
890
00:33:27,549 --> 00:33:30,450
of the decedent and the surviving family members.
891
00:33:30,509 --> 00:33:32,990
Obviously, it's more about the surviving family members
892
00:33:32,990 --> 00:33:34,669
because there's only so much that can be
893
00:33:34,669 --> 00:33:37,069
done Right. Deceased body. But, yeah, that's the
894
00:33:37,069 --> 00:33:40,424
that's the difference between the mortician and coroner.
895
00:33:41,204 --> 00:33:44,025
Wow. So are there still autopsies performed
896
00:33:44,565 --> 00:33:48,085
for unknown causes or anybody can ask for
897
00:33:48,085 --> 00:33:50,259
an autopsy? Oh, yeah. Anybody. Yeah. If a
898
00:33:50,259 --> 00:33:53,220
family can arrange to have an autopsy, even
899
00:33:53,220 --> 00:33:55,880
if the medical examiner or the coroner deems
900
00:33:56,579 --> 00:33:57,240
it unnecessary,
901
00:33:58,019 --> 00:34:00,740
usually, they have a background with medical record
902
00:34:00,740 --> 00:34:01,880
information and,
903
00:34:02,204 --> 00:34:04,444
you know, but, yeah. If the family wants
904
00:34:04,444 --> 00:34:06,765
to still arrange a private autopsy, they can
905
00:34:06,765 --> 00:34:08,445
they can legally do that. They'd have to
906
00:34:08,445 --> 00:34:10,324
pay for it. Yeah. Oh, I see. Okay.
907
00:34:10,324 --> 00:34:12,545
And from my understanding, it's it's pretty expensive.
908
00:34:12,605 --> 00:34:13,984
Like Oh, well, yeah.
909
00:34:14,445 --> 00:34:16,304
Now you're also an embalmer,
910
00:34:16,684 --> 00:34:19,390
and you're licensed to do that. Mhmm. Is
911
00:34:19,390 --> 00:34:21,789
that can you can you work in any
912
00:34:21,789 --> 00:34:24,110
state once again? It's because it's the same
913
00:34:24,670 --> 00:34:26,510
Yeah. I can I I can go ahead
914
00:34:26,510 --> 00:34:27,010
and,
915
00:34:28,190 --> 00:34:30,849
reinstate, you know, if I wanted to practice
916
00:34:30,910 --> 00:34:32,750
in another, you know, like in Cali Oh,
917
00:34:32,750 --> 00:34:34,545
you have to ask for one? Yeah. I
918
00:34:34,545 --> 00:34:36,224
actually, let me back up. I'm sorry. I
919
00:34:36,224 --> 00:34:39,264
actually have an embalmer's license in California and
920
00:34:39,264 --> 00:34:39,925
in Oregon.
921
00:34:40,304 --> 00:34:42,464
So if I wanted to practice embalming in
922
00:34:42,464 --> 00:34:44,625
like another state like Idaho or Yeah, yeah.
923
00:34:44,704 --> 00:34:46,945
Washington, then I would have to reinstate my
924
00:34:46,945 --> 00:34:49,820
license with their Okay. Board and everything.
925
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:51,579
Okay. But yeah,
926
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,019
I took a national exam
927
00:34:55,559 --> 00:34:57,400
when I graduated high school. So it made
928
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,559
it so if I wanted to relocate to
929
00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:00,460
another state,
930
00:35:00,775 --> 00:35:02,534
it would be much easier for me to,
931
00:35:02,534 --> 00:35:04,775
you know, just reinstate my license rather than
932
00:35:04,775 --> 00:35:06,855
to have to go to school and everything
933
00:35:06,855 --> 00:35:09,255
all over again. So your embalming is hands
934
00:35:09,255 --> 00:35:11,275
on. Yeah. That's where you're physically
935
00:35:11,735 --> 00:35:13,034
either draining
936
00:35:13,494 --> 00:35:15,514
the body of Preservation. Preservation.
937
00:35:15,894 --> 00:35:18,190
Yeah. I mean, purposes, which has been around
938
00:35:18,190 --> 00:35:20,590
forever. Oh, yeah. Forever and ever. Yeah. Yep.
939
00:35:20,590 --> 00:35:23,170
Mummies. Yep. Since the ancient Egypt. Yeah.
940
00:35:23,710 --> 00:35:24,610
Is every mortician
941
00:35:24,910 --> 00:35:27,550
an embalmer then? Or A mortician is more
942
00:35:27,550 --> 00:35:29,890
like a funeral director and an embalmer
943
00:35:30,405 --> 00:35:30,905
where,
944
00:35:31,285 --> 00:35:34,085
you know, that's the term for mortician. That's
945
00:35:34,085 --> 00:35:34,585
usually
946
00:35:34,885 --> 00:35:37,364
somebody who carries both of those licenses. So,
947
00:35:37,364 --> 00:35:39,445
I mean, you could still be a funeral
948
00:35:39,445 --> 00:35:42,105
director and call yourself a mortician, sure. But
949
00:35:42,324 --> 00:35:44,664
usually though, if you're licensed as an embalmer
950
00:35:44,724 --> 00:35:47,300
and a funeral director, that's the term for
951
00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:50,340
mortician. Oh. The full term. Yeah. Wow. How
952
00:35:50,340 --> 00:35:52,820
about AI? Has AI had any impact on
953
00:35:52,820 --> 00:35:54,420
the funeral home business? How about you, Mary?
954
00:35:54,420 --> 00:35:56,099
Any anything we were talking about? About that.
955
00:35:56,099 --> 00:35:56,599
Yeah.
956
00:35:57,699 --> 00:35:59,860
Yes and no. I get a lot of
957
00:35:59,860 --> 00:36:02,554
ads in my email from people who want
958
00:36:02,554 --> 00:36:04,954
to hook me up with some AI program
959
00:36:04,954 --> 00:36:06,255
to write our obituaries.
960
00:36:08,474 --> 00:36:11,034
To be really honest, an obituary is a
961
00:36:11,034 --> 00:36:12,494
very personal thing. And
962
00:36:13,530 --> 00:36:15,769
my preference would be for the family to
963
00:36:15,769 --> 00:36:17,449
write it. And if they need a little
964
00:36:17,449 --> 00:36:18,269
help with,
965
00:36:18,969 --> 00:36:21,289
grammar and spelling and spell check and all
966
00:36:21,289 --> 00:36:23,630
of that, then have someone do it. But,
967
00:36:24,650 --> 00:36:26,650
I'm surprised it's not always the families who
968
00:36:26,650 --> 00:36:27,789
do it yet, actually.
969
00:36:28,434 --> 00:36:30,694
So that's not the norm? No. Well,
970
00:36:31,394 --> 00:36:33,394
yes and no. Because I get a lot
971
00:36:33,394 --> 00:36:34,914
of people who go, if I give you
972
00:36:34,914 --> 00:36:36,434
a list of things, will you write the
973
00:36:36,434 --> 00:36:37,734
obituary for me?
974
00:36:38,514 --> 00:36:40,114
It's like, yeah, but I didn't know the
975
00:36:40,114 --> 00:36:42,034
person very well. I would much rather that
976
00:36:42,034 --> 00:36:44,529
the family would write it, and then if
977
00:36:44,529 --> 00:36:46,929
we need to kind of put things together
978
00:36:46,929 --> 00:36:47,909
in a little more
979
00:36:48,369 --> 00:36:49,510
a little better flow,
980
00:36:49,969 --> 00:36:52,150
yeah, that's helpful. But AI,
981
00:36:53,650 --> 00:36:54,389
not really
982
00:36:55,010 --> 00:36:57,089
other than filling out a form and sending
983
00:36:57,089 --> 00:36:59,054
it in, and that's not really AI. That's
984
00:36:59,135 --> 00:37:01,934
just Right. Formulary. They they have AI mechanical
985
00:37:01,934 --> 00:37:04,414
wombs now that they're developing in Oh, myself.
986
00:37:04,494 --> 00:37:06,974
China where they're growing basically, growing a baby
987
00:37:06,974 --> 00:37:08,434
in a perfect womb setting.
988
00:37:09,534 --> 00:37:12,014
There's no threat of AI robots taking over
989
00:37:12,014 --> 00:37:14,329
your job as a as an embalmer,
990
00:37:14,789 --> 00:37:15,690
Jake, or is
991
00:37:16,070 --> 00:37:18,550
there just Yeah. It's something that's always gonna
992
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:19,930
be a need. Yeah.
993
00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:22,950
There's always gonna be somebody that'll need to
994
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:24,410
do it. And I
995
00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:26,410
look at the idea of
996
00:37:26,985 --> 00:37:28,825
if they had robots, you know, to help
997
00:37:28,825 --> 00:37:29,644
go out on
998
00:37:30,105 --> 00:37:32,605
removals and help living, you know, or moving
999
00:37:32,664 --> 00:37:34,345
people that are really, really heavy or, you
1000
00:37:34,345 --> 00:37:35,865
know, I mean because, you know, I mean,
1001
00:37:35,865 --> 00:37:37,565
that's a that's a physical,
1002
00:37:38,105 --> 00:37:40,599
you know, work hazard, you know, a possible
1003
00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:42,679
work hazard. I mean, lifting with your back
1004
00:37:42,679 --> 00:37:44,440
and, you know Right. Yeah. I mean, there's
1005
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,360
a lot of work involved in Wow. You
1006
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,679
have to be strong and physically fit to
1007
00:37:48,679 --> 00:37:50,599
do that kind of thing. So Yeah. What
1008
00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:53,079
what direction is it? Is it tending to
1009
00:37:53,079 --> 00:37:55,204
the funerary arts? Is it continuing
1010
00:37:55,585 --> 00:37:57,345
pretty much in the old established way where
1011
00:37:57,345 --> 00:37:59,744
they're gonna come in? They're if I'm talking
1012
00:37:59,744 --> 00:38:01,505
about full body, not a cremation. We'll get
1013
00:38:01,505 --> 00:38:03,265
into cremation in just a moment. Mhmm. So
1014
00:38:03,265 --> 00:38:04,945
they come in and they want the full
1015
00:38:04,945 --> 00:38:06,545
the full montage. They want to get,
1016
00:38:07,179 --> 00:38:09,579
they wanna have the body embalmed and placed
1017
00:38:09,579 --> 00:38:11,199
in a casket and placed
1018
00:38:11,739 --> 00:38:13,340
in six feet under. We'll get to that
1019
00:38:13,340 --> 00:38:16,539
too. Mhmm. That's the traditional. Is there any
1020
00:38:16,539 --> 00:38:18,860
changes on that going any direction or is
1021
00:38:18,860 --> 00:38:21,275
that pretty much the steadfast way? From my
1022
00:38:21,275 --> 00:38:23,855
understanding and based on a lot of experience
1023
00:38:23,914 --> 00:38:25,994
that I've had with other directors who have
1024
00:38:25,994 --> 00:38:26,494
been
1025
00:38:27,194 --> 00:38:28,974
so much old school, if you will,
1026
00:38:30,155 --> 00:38:31,054
that's really,
1027
00:38:31,434 --> 00:38:32,494
really where
1028
00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:35,140
I was trained and learned from because
1029
00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:37,539
that's really meaningful. I mean,
1030
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,160
they're not treating family members like they're just
1031
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:40,820
some number.
1032
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,420
It's very personal,
1033
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:46,099
meaningful connection that you're having with the family
1034
00:38:46,514 --> 00:38:48,434
by just, you know, keeping it simple with
1035
00:38:48,434 --> 00:38:50,594
them, to doing exactly what they what their
1036
00:38:50,594 --> 00:38:52,934
wishes are and what their request is.
1037
00:38:53,315 --> 00:38:55,014
And if they have any
1038
00:38:55,554 --> 00:38:57,654
need any guidance or direction,
1039
00:38:58,114 --> 00:39:00,190
that's our responsibility to help them out with
1040
00:39:00,190 --> 00:39:02,269
that. And Now, Mary, when when people come
1041
00:39:02,269 --> 00:39:03,170
in and
1042
00:39:03,789 --> 00:39:05,869
they tell you that somebody died Mhmm. And
1043
00:39:05,869 --> 00:39:08,510
and so, do they sometimes ask you what
1044
00:39:08,510 --> 00:39:10,349
to do? What would you do? Or do
1045
00:39:10,349 --> 00:39:12,190
they do they usually know this is what
1046
00:39:12,190 --> 00:39:12,849
I want?
1047
00:39:13,335 --> 00:39:15,014
Most of them know what they want. Yeah.
1048
00:39:15,014 --> 00:39:17,974
Their occasional person will say, well, if this
1049
00:39:17,974 --> 00:39:19,974
was your mom, what would you do? And
1050
00:39:19,974 --> 00:39:21,655
I try to be very honest with them
1051
00:39:21,655 --> 00:39:24,135
that based on my upbringing, this is what
1052
00:39:24,135 --> 00:39:25,574
I would have done if it were my
1053
00:39:25,574 --> 00:39:26,074
choice.
1054
00:39:26,900 --> 00:39:27,400
But
1055
00:39:27,860 --> 00:39:29,700
you I turn right around and say, but
1056
00:39:29,700 --> 00:39:31,960
this is not my mom. This is yours.
1057
00:39:32,019 --> 00:39:33,800
And this really needs to be
1058
00:39:34,260 --> 00:39:35,860
what you want to do and what you
1059
00:39:35,860 --> 00:39:37,400
think your mom would have wanted.
1060
00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:39,724
Yeah. Because it's So the facilities here at
1061
00:39:39,724 --> 00:39:42,765
Redwood Memorial Chapel have what? Refrigerator? You have
1062
00:39:42,765 --> 00:39:45,565
refrigerated units there? Yep. You have the what
1063
00:39:45,565 --> 00:39:47,085
do I what I've always seen when I've
1064
00:39:47,085 --> 00:39:48,605
been to a mortuary, they have the slab
1065
00:39:48,605 --> 00:39:51,105
where the bodies are put out and embalmed.
1066
00:39:51,405 --> 00:39:53,349
Mhmm. You have that. Yeah. It's a preparation
1067
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:55,429
room. Yep. And then when we visited last
1068
00:39:55,429 --> 00:39:57,030
year, a year and a half ago, we
1069
00:39:57,030 --> 00:40:00,090
we went into your showroom Mhmm. Which shows
1070
00:40:00,469 --> 00:40:02,570
Caskets. The kind of woods and the caskets,
1071
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:05,030
and it was fascinating to see this. And
1072
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:06,570
it's really a full
1073
00:40:06,945 --> 00:40:09,105
a full program that you're kind of investing
1074
00:40:09,105 --> 00:40:11,505
in. Let's pull back. What percentage of people
1075
00:40:11,505 --> 00:40:13,425
are getting cremations, either one of you, these
1076
00:40:13,425 --> 00:40:16,385
days? Probably ninety five Wow. Ninety eight percent
1077
00:40:16,385 --> 00:40:18,945
cremation. Yeah. Live there. Just a direct cremation.
1078
00:40:18,945 --> 00:40:19,684
Very much.
1079
00:40:20,224 --> 00:40:20,724
Why?
1080
00:40:22,179 --> 00:40:23,320
Finances? Finances
1081
00:40:23,940 --> 00:40:25,160
is a lot of it.
1082
00:40:25,940 --> 00:40:28,440
Just a trend away from family connections.
1083
00:40:29,219 --> 00:40:31,539
There are more and more families that really
1084
00:40:31,539 --> 00:40:33,719
have no connections with another generation
1085
00:40:34,614 --> 00:40:35,994
or where you have grandchildren
1086
00:40:36,375 --> 00:40:39,335
that are burying grandparents and you're missing a
1087
00:40:39,335 --> 00:40:40,555
generation in between.
1088
00:40:41,094 --> 00:40:42,535
So I think a lot of it has
1089
00:40:42,535 --> 00:40:44,635
to do with the fragmentation of families.
1090
00:40:45,015 --> 00:40:47,015
Now do the ashes have to be picked
1091
00:40:47,015 --> 00:40:47,914
up by somebody?
1092
00:40:49,469 --> 00:40:52,269
Generally by somebody. Yeah. Or you mail them
1093
00:40:52,269 --> 00:40:53,010
to a cemetery.
1094
00:40:53,949 --> 00:40:55,710
Yeah. And so you can do that. But
1095
00:40:55,710 --> 00:40:57,869
generally, it's a person who comes in and
1096
00:40:57,869 --> 00:40:59,250
and receives the remains.
1097
00:40:59,550 --> 00:41:01,150
95%
1098
00:41:01,150 --> 00:41:03,090
cremation. Do you do cremations?
1099
00:41:04,355 --> 00:41:06,375
Equipment more? Yep. We have two crematories.
1100
00:41:06,835 --> 00:41:09,074
We have one for for pets. We because
1101
00:41:09,074 --> 00:41:10,534
we also take care of pets.
1102
00:41:10,835 --> 00:41:13,554
And then obviously, the, yeah, the other standard
1103
00:41:13,554 --> 00:41:14,054
crematory.
1104
00:41:14,355 --> 00:41:16,214
What is the cost of a standard
1105
00:41:16,514 --> 00:41:17,574
cremation without,
1106
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:20,809
okay. This is what's the baseline approximately?
1107
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:23,530
I would say $20.85.
1108
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:26,630
That's grand total. Under 3,000. Yeah. Yeah. And
1109
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:28,549
then it could go up depending on how
1110
00:41:28,549 --> 00:41:29,630
fancy of a vase may be or Or
1111
00:41:29,630 --> 00:41:30,170
how many death certificates are requested.
1112
00:41:31,944 --> 00:41:33,244
Certificates are requested.
1113
00:41:34,505 --> 00:41:35,005
Yeah.
1114
00:41:35,304 --> 00:41:37,545
Those are usually the only two factors in
1115
00:41:37,545 --> 00:41:39,704
a in a in a cremation arrangement. So
1116
00:41:40,105 --> 00:41:42,184
Or if they wanted let's say that they
1117
00:41:42,184 --> 00:41:43,944
wanted to have a celebration of life or
1118
00:41:43,944 --> 00:41:45,944
a memorial service, but they didn't want us
1119
00:41:45,944 --> 00:41:47,244
involved in the service,
1120
00:41:47,619 --> 00:41:49,059
But they wanted us to help them make
1121
00:41:49,059 --> 00:41:49,960
the little handouts.
1122
00:41:50,339 --> 00:41:51,639
Wait, those are options.
1123
00:41:52,099 --> 00:41:54,099
So you have an attached chapel too. Yes.
1124
00:41:54,099 --> 00:41:55,699
That is correct. Where the public can actually
1125
00:41:55,699 --> 00:41:58,119
come in and have their final say. Absolutely.
1126
00:41:58,260 --> 00:42:00,019
Yeah. They're celebrating the life of mom or
1127
00:42:00,019 --> 00:42:01,619
dad or whatever Yeah. Who it whoever it
1128
00:42:01,619 --> 00:42:03,914
is. So all 95%
1129
00:42:03,914 --> 00:42:04,414
cremations.
1130
00:42:04,795 --> 00:42:05,295
Wow.
1131
00:42:06,315 --> 00:42:06,875
What's the,
1132
00:42:07,515 --> 00:42:08,655
what's what's
1133
00:42:09,595 --> 00:42:11,135
versus what a full body
1134
00:42:12,715 --> 00:42:14,555
burial Casket. Gonna be? It used to be
1135
00:42:14,555 --> 00:42:15,755
when I would it was where it was
1136
00:42:15,755 --> 00:42:17,340
like start at 15,000.
1137
00:42:17,579 --> 00:42:19,579
Now it's like, what's the range on a
1138
00:42:19,579 --> 00:42:22,059
full body casket? And that's depends. It really
1139
00:42:22,059 --> 00:42:23,760
kind of depends on how
1140
00:42:24,860 --> 00:42:26,640
how fancy a casket you want.
1141
00:42:27,099 --> 00:42:27,980
I mean, we can
1142
00:42:28,380 --> 00:42:30,164
and it depends on the cemetery costs.
1143
00:42:30,885 --> 00:42:32,965
Right. So you're paying for a plot. You're
1144
00:42:32,965 --> 00:42:34,965
paying for the plot being open and closed.
1145
00:42:34,965 --> 00:42:36,505
You're paying for a headstone.
1146
00:42:37,204 --> 00:42:40,244
You're probably, depending on the area, looking at
1147
00:42:40,244 --> 00:42:43,110
3,000 to 5,000 at a very minimum in
1148
00:42:43,110 --> 00:42:44,630
a smaller community. Are we talking about just
1149
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:47,269
the Just the cemetery. Just the plumbing. Then
1150
00:42:47,269 --> 00:42:48,250
you're looking at
1151
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:51,430
the the basic things that we do plus
1152
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:52,650
the cost of a casket.
1153
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:55,289
So another 3,000 to 5,000
1154
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:57,764
depending on how fancy a casket you want.
1155
00:42:58,324 --> 00:42:58,984
And so
1156
00:42:59,525 --> 00:43:02,085
you could start and probably do it at
1157
00:43:02,085 --> 00:43:03,684
$5,000 or $6,000
1158
00:43:03,684 --> 00:43:05,304
or you can go to $20,000
1159
00:43:05,605 --> 00:43:07,204
It just depends on how much money you
1160
00:43:07,204 --> 00:43:08,804
wanna spend on it. It was my brother
1161
00:43:08,804 --> 00:43:11,125
when he would Yeah. His was $15,000
1162
00:43:11,125 --> 00:43:12,565
Yeah. And it was pretty fancy. He had
1163
00:43:12,565 --> 00:43:14,360
a perma seal casket. Yeah.
1164
00:43:14,740 --> 00:43:16,280
And also the cost
1165
00:43:16,740 --> 00:43:18,840
of the headstone, that can also be affected.
1166
00:43:18,980 --> 00:43:19,780
Yeah. Yeah. Due to it, I mean, that's
1167
00:43:19,780 --> 00:43:22,300
right. And because granite is often imported now
1168
00:43:22,420 --> 00:43:25,140
Right. Yes. You're right. Then those prices are
1169
00:43:25,140 --> 00:43:26,820
going up. Like, I mean, we used to
1170
00:43:26,820 --> 00:43:27,320
get
1171
00:43:27,644 --> 00:43:29,804
the full thing, the headstone and the installation
1172
00:43:29,804 --> 00:43:31,905
and the concrete and everything for about
1173
00:43:32,204 --> 00:43:33,244
$1,100,
1174
00:43:33,244 --> 00:43:35,244
and now most of them are 15 to
1175
00:43:35,244 --> 00:43:36,125
1,800.
1176
00:43:36,125 --> 00:43:37,824
Do you know anything about a green
1177
00:43:38,125 --> 00:43:40,445
burial? What's a green burial? I hear this
1178
00:43:40,445 --> 00:43:42,364
more and more. What's what's that? Everything is
1179
00:43:42,364 --> 00:43:42,864
biodegradable.
1180
00:43:43,230 --> 00:43:45,409
Yep. There is nothing Just like our bodies.
1181
00:43:45,469 --> 00:43:47,869
Yeah. Everything everything involved in a green burial,
1182
00:43:47,869 --> 00:43:49,010
it's it's all biodegradable.
1183
00:43:49,469 --> 00:43:50,690
So casket,
1184
00:43:51,710 --> 00:43:52,210
liner,
1185
00:43:52,510 --> 00:43:54,989
you know, anything that the deceased has interred
1186
00:43:54,989 --> 00:43:57,635
in. And I've even done a few green
1187
00:43:57,635 --> 00:43:58,135
burials,
1188
00:43:58,515 --> 00:43:59,255
in the last
1189
00:43:59,875 --> 00:44:01,655
seven years since I've been here.
1190
00:44:01,954 --> 00:44:04,355
And, you know, the the you know, it
1191
00:44:04,355 --> 00:44:06,114
just can go as very minimum as just
1192
00:44:06,114 --> 00:44:08,054
having the body wrapped up in a biodegradable
1193
00:44:08,434 --> 00:44:11,069
shroud and then just placed directly into the
1194
00:44:11,069 --> 00:44:12,589
grave. Mhmm. You know? Is it still a
1195
00:44:12,589 --> 00:44:14,989
churchyard grave or is it behind the house
1196
00:44:14,989 --> 00:44:17,230
grave type thing where you have the green
1197
00:44:17,230 --> 00:44:18,769
burial? Yeah. Certain
1198
00:44:19,069 --> 00:44:21,704
well, most cemeteries have a certain section that's
1199
00:44:22,025 --> 00:44:23,565
only for green burial.
1200
00:44:24,184 --> 00:44:26,505
And, and so yeah. And then, of course,
1201
00:44:26,505 --> 00:44:28,025
if the family wanted to have it on
1202
00:44:28,025 --> 00:44:30,184
private property, if they want green burial, that's
1203
00:44:30,184 --> 00:44:30,684
optional
1204
00:44:30,985 --> 00:44:33,385
too. Now should people plan ahead and purchase
1205
00:44:33,385 --> 00:44:34,789
their funeral packs? Absolutely.
1206
00:44:35,170 --> 00:44:37,410
I would I I couldn't stress that enough
1207
00:44:37,410 --> 00:44:39,570
with anybody that brought brings that topic up
1208
00:44:39,570 --> 00:44:40,390
with me because
1209
00:44:40,849 --> 00:44:43,090
number one, you have everything taken care of
1210
00:44:43,090 --> 00:44:45,969
ahead of time. And number two, when the
1211
00:44:45,969 --> 00:44:46,949
time comes,
1212
00:44:47,295 --> 00:44:50,255
there's not gonna be any financial burden on
1213
00:44:50,255 --> 00:44:50,755
anybody.
1214
00:44:51,375 --> 00:44:53,775
Everything's been paid for. Everything's been taken care
1215
00:44:53,775 --> 00:44:55,934
of. So I can't stress it enough. If
1216
00:44:55,934 --> 00:44:58,494
anybody wants to pre plan or talking about
1217
00:44:58,494 --> 00:45:00,619
pre planning, I'd say go ahead and do
1218
00:45:00,619 --> 00:45:02,140
it because you're doing it for the sake
1219
00:45:02,140 --> 00:45:04,800
of your loved ones, your surviving loved ones,
1220
00:45:05,180 --> 00:45:06,780
that it's all taken care of. And then
1221
00:45:06,780 --> 00:45:07,599
they don't have
1222
00:45:08,059 --> 00:45:09,579
to pay money out of their pocket to
1223
00:45:09,579 --> 00:45:10,960
take care of the finances.
1224
00:45:11,579 --> 00:45:13,739
And it can be very stressful for certain
1225
00:45:13,739 --> 00:45:14,960
people. Oh, definitely.
1226
00:45:15,534 --> 00:45:17,454
Yeah. Wow. So they could come in. It's
1227
00:45:17,454 --> 00:45:18,894
free of charge for them to come in
1228
00:45:18,894 --> 00:45:20,835
and talk with you. Absolutely. Yeah.
1229
00:45:21,215 --> 00:45:23,614
Everybody, you you you gotta see Mary. I
1230
00:45:23,614 --> 00:45:24,835
mean, she's so sweet,
1231
00:45:25,454 --> 00:45:27,534
and so accommodating and so humble. And it's
1232
00:45:27,534 --> 00:45:29,375
just it would be really it was so
1233
00:45:29,375 --> 00:45:31,110
nice when we walked in. Didn't know quite
1234
00:45:31,269 --> 00:45:32,470
quite what we were gonna do when we
1235
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:34,470
were asking about getting them on the show
1236
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:36,630
a couple years ago, and she met us.
1237
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:39,349
And she you really you put everybody at
1238
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:41,450
ease right away. You've had that
1239
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:45,985
interaction with people so much because grieving is
1240
00:45:45,985 --> 00:45:49,105
a huge, huge part Yep. Of, the dying
1241
00:45:49,105 --> 00:45:51,985
process. Right? So, boy, what an aspect. I
1242
00:45:51,985 --> 00:45:54,625
I I bow before you. Is there is
1243
00:45:54,625 --> 00:45:55,605
there some
1244
00:45:56,625 --> 00:45:58,085
surprising or heartwarming
1245
00:45:58,839 --> 00:46:01,239
part of being work or being a worker
1246
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:02,539
at Redwood Memorial
1247
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,800
Chapel? Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, even from day
1248
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,380
one, even in going working in the industry
1249
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:09,420
many years ago,
1250
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,900
I always get the the compliments,
1251
00:46:12,199 --> 00:46:14,484
the feedback, you know, the hugs, you know,
1252
00:46:14,484 --> 00:46:17,284
from family members, the the thank you, the
1253
00:46:17,284 --> 00:46:17,784
appreciation.
1254
00:46:18,085 --> 00:46:18,585
See,
1255
00:46:18,964 --> 00:46:20,644
I'm not in it for the I'm not
1256
00:46:20,644 --> 00:46:22,804
in this industry for, you know, money or
1257
00:46:22,804 --> 00:46:25,065
anything like that. I'm in it for the
1258
00:46:25,125 --> 00:46:26,885
the compassion that I bring to the people
1259
00:46:27,045 --> 00:46:28,829
Mhmm. When they're going through a really difficult
1260
00:46:28,829 --> 00:46:31,090
time, and then they're saying back to me,
1261
00:46:31,230 --> 00:46:33,710
thank you for everything you're you've done. That's
1262
00:46:33,710 --> 00:46:35,730
that's what it's all about for me, honestly.
1263
00:46:36,269 --> 00:46:38,590
And but I that's why I've been in
1264
00:46:38,590 --> 00:46:39,329
the industry
1265
00:46:39,710 --> 00:46:41,950
still, I mean, and and continue to never
1266
00:46:41,950 --> 00:46:44,269
stop learning. So, yeah. Wow. I think that's
1267
00:46:44,269 --> 00:46:46,175
my that's the one thing that I that
1268
00:46:46,175 --> 00:46:47,554
keeps me in the industry
1269
00:46:48,894 --> 00:46:50,735
is getting that that feedback from the Are
1270
00:46:50,735 --> 00:46:52,815
you doing the actual cremations too? So you're
1271
00:46:52,815 --> 00:46:54,815
the are you the person that Oh, I
1272
00:46:54,815 --> 00:46:56,974
I I do Fire update. Yeah. I I
1273
00:46:56,974 --> 00:46:58,655
have an associate that helps me, but, yeah,
1274
00:46:58,655 --> 00:46:59,940
I do it all. I mean, I take
1275
00:46:59,940 --> 00:47:01,859
care of it all. And, I mean, in
1276
00:47:01,940 --> 00:47:04,679
you know, I as far as I'm concerned,
1277
00:47:05,219 --> 00:47:07,059
it's based on how I was taught. You
1278
00:47:07,059 --> 00:47:09,059
know, I remember years ago, a guy used
1279
00:47:09,059 --> 00:47:10,339
to say to me, Jake, if you can
1280
00:47:10,339 --> 00:47:12,420
treat everybody as if they were a member
1281
00:47:12,420 --> 00:47:14,644
of your own family Right on. You shouldn't
1282
00:47:14,804 --> 00:47:16,025
you you should be okay.
1283
00:47:16,324 --> 00:47:18,724
And I I have to admit, I've taken
1284
00:47:18,724 --> 00:47:20,724
care of a lot of families that are
1285
00:47:20,724 --> 00:47:21,945
not happy with me.
1286
00:47:22,324 --> 00:47:25,364
And that's okay. I mean, I'm I'm I
1287
00:47:25,364 --> 00:47:27,670
don't take that personal. But, you know, it's
1288
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:30,230
just I just have to remind myself that
1289
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:32,789
I can't please everybody. And it is very
1290
00:47:32,789 --> 00:47:33,289
stressful.
1291
00:47:34,070 --> 00:47:35,530
And for, you know,
1292
00:47:35,989 --> 00:47:38,309
knowing that you didn't make somebody's day or
1293
00:47:38,309 --> 00:47:40,789
you're getting threatened with lawsuit or, you know,
1294
00:47:40,789 --> 00:47:43,304
whatever. Wow. It's not you know, it's difficult.
1295
00:47:43,304 --> 00:47:45,304
But I I try to shake that off.
1296
00:47:45,304 --> 00:47:46,744
At the end of the day, it's all
1297
00:47:46,744 --> 00:47:49,385
shakes out. Exactly. Exactly. And and then that's
1298
00:47:49,385 --> 00:47:51,545
a good balance that we have because most
1299
00:47:51,545 --> 00:47:53,304
of the time, most of the families that
1300
00:47:53,304 --> 00:47:56,744
we work with are always expressing gratitude and
1301
00:47:56,744 --> 00:47:57,244
thanks
1302
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,360
versus the ones that are not happy to
1303
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:00,099
see us.
1304
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,400
And and again, I mean, Mary and I
1305
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,400
have dealt with a lot of families that,
1306
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,119
you know, we could do anything and everything,
1307
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:09,619
but we just couldn't satisfy their Humility
1308
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:10,559
reigns.
1309
00:48:11,039 --> 00:48:13,304
And it's they're in the situation that's not
1310
00:48:13,385 --> 00:48:15,704
them they're not themselves. Exactly. They're grieving. They're
1311
00:48:15,704 --> 00:48:17,005
going through a very different
1312
00:48:17,464 --> 00:48:19,864
process. And I have to know and remind
1313
00:48:19,864 --> 00:48:22,344
myself that they don't they're not thinking about
1314
00:48:22,505 --> 00:48:24,184
Right. Yeah. You know, I mean, it's don't
1315
00:48:24,184 --> 00:48:25,944
take it personal. I mean, they're grieving. They're
1316
00:48:25,944 --> 00:48:27,545
going through a very difficult time. Chi Chi
1317
00:48:27,545 --> 00:48:29,219
Chi Chi and I both lost partners Yeah.
1318
00:48:29,219 --> 00:48:30,340
And our adult lives,
1319
00:48:31,059 --> 00:48:33,380
not too terribly long ago and the grieving
1320
00:48:33,380 --> 00:48:35,539
process is so very, very real. And we
1321
00:48:35,539 --> 00:48:37,300
live in an older community here. Yeah. And
1322
00:48:37,300 --> 00:48:38,980
along the coast, a lot of retirees Yes.
1323
00:48:39,059 --> 00:48:40,420
Are getting used to this. Yes. Is there
1324
00:48:40,420 --> 00:48:42,099
any way you could, you're not supposed to
1325
00:48:42,099 --> 00:48:43,400
spread your own ashes?
1326
00:48:43,744 --> 00:48:45,824
Don't I I've heard recently that you can't
1327
00:48:45,824 --> 00:48:47,744
throw your can't go get out of Sport
1328
00:48:47,744 --> 00:48:50,144
Haven Beach. Yes. You can. Oh, you can?
1329
00:48:50,144 --> 00:48:52,485
And spread your the ashes okay? Absolutely.
1330
00:48:52,945 --> 00:48:55,105
California has very strict rules and you have
1331
00:48:55,105 --> 00:48:56,485
to get permits. But,
1332
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:57,739
Oregon,
1333
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,840
the rule is you can inter the I
1334
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,360
mean, you can scatter the ashes on the
1335
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,300
beach. You can scatter them in the woods.
1336
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,519
Don't make a big show of it and
1337
00:49:06,519 --> 00:49:07,420
offend somebody,
1338
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:09,824
and don't put them all in one spot.
1339
00:49:09,824 --> 00:49:11,425
Because if you put them all in one
1340
00:49:11,425 --> 00:49:12,804
spot, it's now a grave.
1341
00:49:13,264 --> 00:49:14,405
But if you're scattering
1342
00:49:15,105 --> 00:49:16,625
them on the beach or in the river
1343
00:49:16,945 --> 00:49:19,045
fasten away. Or in the woods, then it's
1344
00:49:19,105 --> 00:49:19,605
acceptable.
1345
00:49:20,304 --> 00:49:22,385
Just don't go out and on a windy
1346
00:49:22,385 --> 00:49:23,045
day go,
1347
00:49:23,505 --> 00:49:25,139
here you go, grandma, and
1348
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,199
then it's blowing in the wind in somebody
1349
00:49:27,199 --> 00:49:28,179
else's face.
1350
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:28,980
Yeah.
1351
00:49:29,359 --> 00:49:31,619
Not, what's the average how
1352
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,760
how many is it that remains? A couple
1353
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,494
pounds? Five pounds or or at? Seven six
1354
00:49:36,575 --> 00:49:39,454
to seven. Yeah. Wow. Wow. Just depends on
1355
00:49:39,454 --> 00:49:41,075
the bone structure of the individual.
1356
00:49:41,695 --> 00:49:44,255
Big boned. And so, again, I wanna come
1357
00:49:44,255 --> 00:49:45,855
back one last thing. We're gonna we're gonna
1358
00:49:45,855 --> 00:49:47,775
feather we have about five minutes here at
1359
00:49:47,775 --> 00:49:48,275
least.
1360
00:49:49,055 --> 00:49:50,639
Going back to preplanning,
1361
00:49:51,099 --> 00:49:53,019
if someone wants to come in preplan, they
1362
00:49:53,019 --> 00:49:55,099
wanna just discuss the options. It's a good
1363
00:49:55,099 --> 00:49:57,980
time Mhmm. Earlier the better. Sure. Mhmm. Before
1364
00:49:57,980 --> 00:49:59,980
you're sick, whatnot, is there any option where
1365
00:49:59,980 --> 00:50:01,820
you have payment plans where you say, okay,
1366
00:50:01,820 --> 00:50:03,340
I I I when I die, I wanna
1367
00:50:03,340 --> 00:50:05,164
be buried this way and it's gonna cost
1368
00:50:05,164 --> 00:50:07,485
me 5,000. Here's 5,000 now. Will that rate
1369
00:50:07,485 --> 00:50:09,244
ever go up? Do people do that? Are
1370
00:50:09,244 --> 00:50:11,565
there those options? Is there payment plans? So
1371
00:50:11,565 --> 00:50:13,724
when you do a preplan and you pay
1372
00:50:13,724 --> 00:50:15,565
for it in advance, what you're doing is
1373
00:50:15,565 --> 00:50:18,125
making a contract between yourself and the funeral
1374
00:50:18,125 --> 00:50:18,625
home
1375
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:20,179
that for
1376
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:22,420
the money that you've put down
1377
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:25,599
and the interest that it gains, that they
1378
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:28,000
will provide those services for you at no
1379
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,159
additional cost. So five years, six years, ten
1380
00:50:30,159 --> 00:50:32,000
years will go by, and it's still gonna
1381
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:33,864
be the same price, whatever you paid. And
1382
00:50:33,864 --> 00:50:34,684
we have,
1383
00:50:35,785 --> 00:50:38,045
plans at the funeral home that were done
1384
00:50:38,505 --> 00:50:40,344
back when I came in 2007
1385
00:50:40,344 --> 00:50:42,425
that somebody hasn't cashed in yet, so they're
1386
00:50:42,425 --> 00:50:45,065
still alive. Wow. How cool. And so at
1387
00:50:45,065 --> 00:50:46,844
whatever the price was then,
1388
00:50:47,730 --> 00:50:48,469
that's what
1389
00:50:48,929 --> 00:50:50,610
they'll pay for that. Now if they come
1390
00:50:50,610 --> 00:50:52,210
along and the family says, oh, but I
1391
00:50:52,210 --> 00:50:54,070
need another half dozen death certificates,
1392
00:50:54,849 --> 00:50:56,690
that's on them. They'll have to buy those
1393
00:50:56,690 --> 00:50:58,690
extra certificates. How about how about the graves,
1394
00:50:58,929 --> 00:51:01,409
site itself? That's a one time payment. Right?
1395
00:51:01,409 --> 00:51:03,429
Yes. Well, that's what the church, though. Right?
1396
00:51:03,914 --> 00:51:06,255
There was the cemetery here at WJ Ward.
1397
00:51:06,954 --> 00:51:09,355
You buy the plot. Yeah. It doesn't go
1398
00:51:09,355 --> 00:51:11,114
through you though. Right? No. It goes through
1399
00:51:11,114 --> 00:51:13,695
the cemetery. Yeah. So one time shot usually.
1400
00:51:13,835 --> 00:51:15,630
Yeah. They pay for the plot and that
1401
00:51:15,710 --> 00:51:17,549
covers the plot and the maintenance of the
1402
00:51:17,549 --> 00:51:19,789
cemetery. Forever and ever. Yeah. So our supposedly
1403
00:51:19,869 --> 00:51:20,369
Perpetual.
1404
00:51:20,829 --> 00:51:21,329
Perpetual.
1405
00:51:21,789 --> 00:51:24,349
And that might cost anywhere between 3,010 thousand.
1406
00:51:24,349 --> 00:51:25,789
I don't know. I'm just throwing out numbers
1407
00:51:25,789 --> 00:51:28,670
here. Yeah. Well, I think Yeah. W. J.
1408
00:51:28,670 --> 00:51:29,489
Ward has
1409
00:51:30,005 --> 00:51:31,364
different prices for,
1410
00:51:31,844 --> 00:51:33,864
for for residents that have lived here
1411
00:51:34,164 --> 00:51:36,105
for a very long time versus,
1412
00:51:36,885 --> 00:51:39,364
residents that had just moved into Curry County.
1413
00:51:39,364 --> 00:51:41,940
Okay. So, you know, I I think it's
1414
00:51:42,019 --> 00:51:44,260
yeah. There's a resident and a non resident.
1415
00:51:44,260 --> 00:51:46,420
Yeah. Yeah. Like a discount that yeah. I
1416
00:51:46,420 --> 00:51:48,339
think Where the residents pay less because we
1417
00:51:48,339 --> 00:51:50,900
pay taxes to the cemetery district. Wait. There's
1418
00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:52,599
no taxes at Oregon. Shoot.
1419
00:51:53,699 --> 00:51:54,760
I know. Darn.
1420
00:51:55,944 --> 00:51:57,784
Are you a member of the Chamber of
1421
00:51:57,784 --> 00:52:00,045
Commerce here? No. We are not.
1422
00:52:00,824 --> 00:52:02,744
Alright. Well then Well, that would be it
1423
00:52:02,744 --> 00:52:04,505
would be kind of yeah. Open house. Come
1424
00:52:04,505 --> 00:52:06,905
on in. And although it's beautiful, when you
1425
00:52:06,905 --> 00:52:09,625
walk into Redwood Memorial Chapel, we were just
1426
00:52:09,625 --> 00:52:11,819
like, it's upbeat. It's not drab. It's Great.
1427
00:52:11,940 --> 00:52:13,000
It's light, bright,
1428
00:52:13,380 --> 00:52:15,780
happy. You're there. The smiling faces are around
1429
00:52:16,019 --> 00:52:18,179
Coffee right around the corner. A big hello
1430
00:52:18,179 --> 00:52:19,320
or a coffee or beverage.
1431
00:52:19,699 --> 00:52:21,800
Turn in and talk to us. Friendly faces.
1432
00:52:21,860 --> 00:52:24,125
Yeah. Totally, totally cool. And I'm glad we
1433
00:52:24,125 --> 00:52:25,644
got to talk with you this time. Where
1434
00:52:25,644 --> 00:52:27,405
are you located? How can people get a
1435
00:52:27,405 --> 00:52:28,144
hold of you
1436
00:52:28,605 --> 00:52:29,744
behind Fred Meyer?
1437
00:52:30,925 --> 00:52:33,184
Address is 1020 Fifield Street,
1438
00:52:34,204 --> 00:52:35,460
Mill Beach, Fifield,
1439
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,079
F I F I E L D. Okay.
1440
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:40,480
And if you come around behind Fred Meyer
1441
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,559
on Mill Beach Road, Fifield, t's off of
1442
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:44,880
that. We're the second building on the highway
1443
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,719
side. Yeah. We're just right next door to
1444
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,734
a little white doctor's office. It's like a
1445
00:52:48,734 --> 00:52:49,234
Anderson
1446
00:52:49,534 --> 00:52:51,954
Chiropractic, and there's like a little yoga studio
1447
00:52:52,014 --> 00:52:53,554
on the north side of that building.
1448
00:52:53,855 --> 00:52:56,194
And and our building is a dark blue
1449
00:52:56,255 --> 00:52:58,414
grayish building that has a sign redwood Do
1450
00:52:58,414 --> 00:52:59,694
you park right in front of it? Yeah.
1451
00:52:59,694 --> 00:53:00,815
Yeah. And we pull up to the front
1452
00:53:00,815 --> 00:53:02,769
of there's parking for five or six cars
1453
00:53:02,769 --> 00:53:03,570
there. Mhmm.
1454
00:53:03,970 --> 00:53:06,050
What's your phone number that people 5 our
1455
00:53:06,050 --> 00:53:08,050
phone number is 541
1456
00:53:08,130 --> 00:53:12,150
Okay. 469-9112.
1457
00:53:12,369 --> 00:53:13,809
That is (541)
1458
00:53:13,809 --> 00:53:16,414
469-9112.
1459
00:53:16,414 --> 00:53:18,255
That is correct. And that's Yeah. And what
1460
00:53:18,255 --> 00:53:19,715
about a website? Yeah.
1461
00:53:20,335 --> 00:53:25,155
Www.redwoodmemorial.net.
1462
00:53:25,295 --> 00:53:26,675
Okay. N e t.
1463
00:53:27,429 --> 00:53:28,789
That's right. I looked that one up. There's
1464
00:53:28,789 --> 00:53:30,489
a long one to do.dotnet.
1465
00:53:30,550 --> 00:53:32,250
Mhmm. And are you on social,
1466
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:35,590
any social? I mean, Facebook or I believe
1467
00:53:35,590 --> 00:53:37,909
that a prior owner had it set up
1468
00:53:37,909 --> 00:53:38,650
for Facebook.
1469
00:53:38,949 --> 00:53:41,030
I have not, and I don't think his
1470
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:42,010
is still active.
1471
00:53:42,824 --> 00:53:44,364
K. Is there a dying season?
1472
00:53:44,664 --> 00:53:46,344
Is there a time a year that more
1473
00:53:46,344 --> 00:53:47,965
people pass? Yes.
1474
00:53:48,984 --> 00:53:50,364
More around the holidays,
1475
00:53:51,625 --> 00:53:52,684
November, December
1476
00:53:53,224 --> 00:53:56,045
Wow. The number of January. They're they are
1477
00:53:56,589 --> 00:53:59,710
anticipating the holiday coming and their body just
1478
00:53:59,710 --> 00:54:01,010
won't hold out or
1479
00:54:01,630 --> 00:54:03,550
they've made it through the holiday and now
1480
00:54:03,550 --> 00:54:05,789
they're done and they've celebrated with their family
1481
00:54:05,789 --> 00:54:07,710
and they're over. It's kind of like a
1482
00:54:08,030 --> 00:54:09,824
Right. I know in Oregon, now California has
1483
00:54:09,824 --> 00:54:10,324
have
1484
00:54:11,344 --> 00:54:13,425
the euthanasia pill. Right, doc? I mean In
1485
00:54:13,425 --> 00:54:15,025
Oregon, the right to die. The right to
1486
00:54:15,025 --> 00:54:17,025
die. Is that death death with dignity? Death
1487
00:54:17,025 --> 00:54:17,925
with dignity.
1488
00:54:18,304 --> 00:54:20,545
Exactly what it is. Yeah. Mhmm. And that
1489
00:54:20,545 --> 00:54:21,184
must be,
1490
00:54:21,824 --> 00:54:23,125
that's a little bit different.
1491
00:54:23,489 --> 00:54:25,170
But with 95%
1492
00:54:25,170 --> 00:54:25,670
cremations,
1493
00:54:26,050 --> 00:54:26,949
this is just
1494
00:54:27,250 --> 00:54:30,289
amazing. I am, I'm I I think when
1495
00:54:30,289 --> 00:54:31,409
I last we last talked to you, it
1496
00:54:31,409 --> 00:54:32,690
was, like, 75%
1497
00:54:32,690 --> 00:54:33,190
or
1498
00:54:34,130 --> 00:54:35,730
fifteen years ago with my I'm gone on
1499
00:54:35,730 --> 00:54:37,155
to 20 And it was, like,
1500
00:54:37,715 --> 00:54:39,394
half and half. In the Midwest, I think
1501
00:54:39,394 --> 00:54:41,074
it's a little bit lower, I think. Yeah.
1502
00:54:41,074 --> 00:54:43,074
I was surprised too because, I remember last
1503
00:54:43,074 --> 00:54:45,394
time I said in England, a 100% is
1504
00:54:45,394 --> 00:54:46,775
cremation and then
1505
00:54:47,235 --> 00:54:48,215
we were surprised
1506
00:54:48,515 --> 00:54:50,670
that it wasn't that high here. So yeah.
1507
00:54:50,670 --> 00:54:52,609
Yeah. We must have been snoozing. It is.
1508
00:54:52,750 --> 00:54:55,630
Really? Okay. We gotta ask you this, this
1509
00:54:55,630 --> 00:54:57,469
question. It'll be the final question we ask
1510
00:54:57,469 --> 00:54:58,750
a lot of our guests. What do you
1511
00:54:58,750 --> 00:55:01,230
want your tombstone to say regardless if you
1512
00:55:01,230 --> 00:55:04,235
have a regardless if you have a, are
1513
00:55:04,235 --> 00:55:06,315
cremated or not. What would your tombstone say,
1514
00:55:06,315 --> 00:55:08,554
Mary? I want mine to say what my
1515
00:55:08,554 --> 00:55:11,114
kids chose for my email, which is mom
1516
00:55:11,114 --> 00:55:11,855
to all.
1517
00:55:12,155 --> 00:55:14,315
Wow. Yes. I was a boy scout leader
1518
00:55:14,315 --> 00:55:16,235
for twenty years, and I was the mama
1519
00:55:16,235 --> 00:55:18,460
to a whole bunch of Cub Scouts and
1520
00:55:18,460 --> 00:55:19,900
Boy Scouts. I love that. Some people just
1521
00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:22,140
don't answer this question, but mom to Wallace.
1522
00:55:22,140 --> 00:55:23,660
Sweet. How about you, Jake? It was so
1523
00:55:23,660 --> 00:55:25,739
funny because I was reading that, on the
1524
00:55:25,739 --> 00:55:27,739
list here, and I was thinking of something
1525
00:55:27,739 --> 00:55:30,474
very clever the other night. And for you
1526
00:55:30,474 --> 00:55:32,815
can't remember. I can't I just can't remember
1527
00:55:32,875 --> 00:55:34,795
what it was, but I think it I
1528
00:55:34,795 --> 00:55:36,394
think it had something to do with, like,
1529
00:55:36,394 --> 00:55:37,375
maybe, like,
1530
00:55:38,394 --> 00:55:40,554
something to do with, like Dad for all.
1531
00:55:40,875 --> 00:55:42,815
Finally asleep, you know? Finally
1532
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:45,030
asleep. Finally sleeping. Gets to gets to rest
1533
00:55:45,030 --> 00:55:45,930
now. You know? He
1534
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:48,309
can he can finally rest now. Wow. What
1535
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:50,390
you that we're doing in our community is
1536
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:53,030
phenomenal. People like you are all over this
1537
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:54,710
this nation and all over the world. They're
1538
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:56,390
doing an ancient practice that you are the
1539
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:56,890
stewards
1540
00:55:57,485 --> 00:56:00,204
of of the dead and through practice of
1541
00:56:00,204 --> 00:56:04,045
the rituals that bring people full circle. So
1542
00:56:04,045 --> 00:56:06,178
thank you both for coming. For coming here.
1543
00:56:06,445 --> 00:56:08,445
Once a year, get you talking about this
1544
00:56:08,445 --> 00:56:10,864
stuff and, again, the coincidental because it's Halloween.
1545
00:56:11,324 --> 00:56:11,824
Honestly,
1546
00:56:12,204 --> 00:56:14,500
that is not that's not the case. Alright.
1547
00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:16,739
Thanks again, Mary and Jake, for coming on
1548
00:56:16,739 --> 00:56:18,980
the Doc and Jacques show. Thank you. Alright,
1549
00:56:18,980 --> 00:56:20,900
Doc. What do you have time for? Fun
1550
00:56:20,900 --> 00:56:23,219
time corner. Fun time corner. What does that
1551
00:56:23,219 --> 00:56:24,440
mean? You mean You
1552
00:56:24,739 --> 00:56:27,059
have jokes that people please laugh at? I
1553
00:56:27,059 --> 00:56:28,844
have some quotes. Okay. What do you got?
1554
00:56:29,565 --> 00:56:31,965
Your time is limited, so don't waste it
1555
00:56:31,965 --> 00:56:32,465
living
1556
00:56:32,925 --> 00:56:35,965
don't waste it living someone else's life. Okay.
1557
00:56:35,965 --> 00:56:37,984
That's pretty cool. Give us another one.
1558
00:56:38,284 --> 00:56:40,844
The only impossible journey is the one you
1559
00:56:40,844 --> 00:56:41,744
never begin.
1560
00:56:42,045 --> 00:56:42,545
Yes.
1561
00:56:43,164 --> 00:56:43,664
Wow.
1562
00:56:44,219 --> 00:56:44,719
Okay.
1563
00:56:45,340 --> 00:56:47,420
I told doctor Gigi recently that I I
1564
00:56:47,420 --> 00:56:49,579
keep thinking that I'm God. Mhmm. She asked
1565
00:56:49,579 --> 00:56:51,340
me how long I'd been feeling this way.
1566
00:56:51,340 --> 00:56:53,340
Well, obviously, since I created the sun, the
1567
00:56:53,340 --> 00:56:54,400
moon, and the stars.
1568
00:56:57,659 --> 00:57:00,724
Okay. What do you got? Believe you can
1569
00:57:00,724 --> 00:57:03,525
and you're halfway there. Believe you can and
1570
00:57:03,525 --> 00:57:04,805
you're halfway there. That's a good one. I
1571
00:57:04,805 --> 00:57:06,644
told doctor Gigi that I was losing my
1572
00:57:06,644 --> 00:57:08,885
memory. She asked me, when did it start?
1573
00:57:08,885 --> 00:57:10,265
I said, when and what start?
1574
00:57:12,885 --> 00:57:14,164
How do you know your doctor is a
1575
00:57:14,164 --> 00:57:16,559
fake? How? Because they have good handwriting?
1576
00:57:20,300 --> 00:57:23,119
Go the extra mile. It's never crowded.
1577
00:57:24,059 --> 00:57:26,940
Go the extra mile. It's oh, yeah. Okay.
1578
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I got one. I'm gonna throw it out
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there. What's the worst thing to do after
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a funeral? What? Wake up.
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You're not getting good laughs here. It was
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something you need.
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I like that one. I thought that was
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Doctor Gigi asked me to choose one body
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part that I if I could lose, what
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would that would make me a better person?
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One one body part that I could lose
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that would make me a better person. I
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said, my spine because it's holding me back.
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Okay. One more. Come on.
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What's the difference between a wedding and a
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funeral? What? Well, there's one less drunk at
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a funeral.
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Okay.
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Okay. I think we are done. Yes. We
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are sewed in. Thanks again, Jake and Mary
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for coming on the show. Really, really interested.
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You will then. You have been listening, everyone,
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to the Doc and Chuck Show on KCOW
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one hundred point seven FM in Brookings, Oregon.
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We hope you have enjoyed our show as
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much as we have learning about the Redwood
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Memorial Chapel
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Yeah. With Mary and Jake. Yes. Peace and
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prosperity, everybody. And you gentlemen in the engineers
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booth, thank you so much. And Linda out
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there listening for this. And Jaden I forgot
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Jaden is listening today. No. So many others.
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Mail us if you know of an interesting,
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talented person that could be on the show
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at docandJacques@gmail.com.
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Welcome,
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Tony Durso right now on
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KCIW
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one hundred point seven FM. Thanks again, folks.