Gavin Ferry

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When you welcome to Control on Compete. Today we're joined
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by Gavin Ferry from the Newcastle United Foundation, pleas to
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meet you. Likewise, we were just talking literally thirty seconds
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ago about all the great footballers that used to play
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for Newcastle. Right, it was his football always been your
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your sport. Then obvious they've been can't help it, can you? Yeah?
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I think in the Northeast is something what's sort of
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ingrained in you. If you look back, probably when I
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was at school, probably one of the ones who are
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last picked on the on the pace side. But if
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you said all them people, who would be the guy
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who's now working at a football club and will probably
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will be lasting the pick up list for that one. Yeah,
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it's nice to be there doing the job.
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I get and you get and you think about it
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as well. I wonder if it's like it's like sometimes
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there some cities have got just the one team. I
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know there's like Sunderland that are are there as well. Right,
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the Newcastle always seems to be like that to me,
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like everybody in the city like a doors Newcastle. Would
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that be the way?
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Yeah, one hundred percent.
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I think the geographical area that we've got especially in
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my role on the community side where you go from
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the Scottish borders and Berwick all the way down to
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Durham and out as well. So we are a one
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city clubs very rare that comes with highs and the lows.
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Put a roller coaster being a Newcastle fan. But when
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we win, you can tell there'll be a good mood
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in the city. When we don't win, it might not
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be so good.
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Yeah, a producer of the show made Newcastle fine. And
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I remember when you said the Cup final when you
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actually worked at that stadium and just how much I
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actually meane to the fans. Yeah, you can just tey
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all right there.
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I think for those like yeah, to get the Cup final,
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I went to the Cup fight. It was an amazing day,
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probably for those people who aren't with us anymore who
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didn't get the chance to see that. A really emotional day.
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But seven years is a long time to wait without
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a trophy. But then it was probably the aftermath when
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we had the trophy period in around the city. See
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so many people just watching some players on an open
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top bus really brings everyone else into the fore so
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really nice to see. Hopefully that's a start of some.
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Well you need to right. It has been success as well,
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so hopefully you do get some more of it. Okay,
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we'll go back on it or speaking of it, bore,
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but tell me a little bit about your role in
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the Newcastle Nature Foundation. Tell me a little bit about
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the foundation and what you do.
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Yeah.
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So my role at the Foundation is I'm the same
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manage for learning skills, so I look after our primary
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based learning program in the secondary and then for the
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primary skills primary schools. Yeah, we've got a Primary Stars
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program which we is a Premier League funded program.
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What do you do that?
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So that level is very much PA based or classroom
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interventions looking to inspire and motivate young people with a
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different approach to learning. So our guys will go in
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there with newcastinet tracks, it's on, it'll be gav coming in.
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It will not be the staff erry. Yeah, a lot
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more engaging. The barriers are broken down. The badge as.
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The hook for all involvement that we do.
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So whether that'd be a primary school or as we
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move into secondary school. And the reason why I'm he
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had today for the esports conference or a sports room.
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What we've got now and our b tech what's affiliated
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to that.
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So the badge is the hook.
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We can get a lot of people in through that,
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but we're opening a lot of new doors and avenue
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so the non traditional supporters of Newcastle to get involved
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in our activities.
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And so when you think about it, obviously you'll have
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primary school, secondary schools and have their curriculum. Where do
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you feel like the foundation really how do you pick
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your schools? Like, how do you what? Where do you
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what gap do you feel for traditional way?
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Yeah, so I think probably post COVID we're in a
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very transitional stage, especially in society and in education. There's
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a lot more barriers to learning that there ever has
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been before, and that's where we fill that gap. A
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lot of schools haven't got the teachers with the skill
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set maybe in pe or Ittem that we can fill.
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We've got expert staff that can come into schools and
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engage peopils in a different way. Luckily, with the fund
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and streams we get, we can explore different options and
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add to the curriculum. We're not taking anything away from it,
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We're complementing it and hopefully making the learners experience in
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school better, whether that be through classroom sessions or whether
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that be pa and practical more things like that, which
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what more traditionally you would think of Newcastle United, but
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it's very different and broad the school up.
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And do you find then is a gap in the
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workforce for teachers and do you think they're struggling to
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find teachers?
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Is that one of the I think the teaching professions
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changed a lot over the years. I personally think education
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system is very dated. We're probably looking at when we
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look back to when we were at school, the kids
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are now still doing the same thing.
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We were just talking off camera about ten minutes ago
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about I think I just missed getting the bill. I
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think corporate punishment stopped nineteen eighty. I don't know if
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that's right or not sure checked, but I think so.
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Then it's all changed. Really, it's a completely difference. But
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in terms of the content it's very similar.
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So you're expecting a lot of young people who have
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got a lot more additional needs, barriers to learn, and
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like their confidence and self esteem, big challenges. Just getting
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a school for some people is a hard thing to do.
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So the skill set of a teacher now isn't just
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an educator, I would say to mentor, it's a counselor
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it's someone who can provide food if they haven't had
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a breakfast in the morning. The role of the teachers expanding,
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but with that becomes more pressure on that side of
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things as well. There's this skill gap in terms of piggy.
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Some teachers will spend a lot much time on the
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PGC looking at that area. So that's something that we
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can do with our teacher CBD program.
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But again, as we move into.
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STEM in different areas as well, schools one haven't got
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the budget to do it or to the specialists, and
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that's where we can come in. As I say, a
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compliment there.
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And when you see again the kids are more additional needs.
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Do you think it's a case of it's always been
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like that, but we're just more aware now.
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Yeah, I think it's like I mean, I.
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Mean, I'm not going to put Gavin, how did this happen? Gavin?
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But I think do you think that's because maybe even
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more so now it's getting noticed a lot more would
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be the sles. There are things like the IDHD coming
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pretty prominent then maybe beforehand and maybe just bad kids.
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I mean I remember I stayed it next to our
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school for boys and I was Actually there were kids
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who were put as bad kids, but I think back
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to back that they are probably just kids for ADHD.
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It's like soy, maybe they weren't buy kids at all,
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but they just weren't fitting into the curriculum. So the
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parents are putting my way to.
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Yeah, there's been a lot more research in these things.
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The diagnosis are coming thick and fast. You can't pigeonhole
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people has been a naughty kid or pigeonhole they've got
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ADHD or what autism or whatever else that's still there
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to learn and they still let find the right pathway
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for them run their own race. Effectively, they want someone
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to be able to fit in a classroom and differentiate
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the learning to suit them. Sadly, if you've got a
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class of thirty learners, that is always possible. So we
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would often take smaller groups of learners away which you
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can work in a target intervention rather than dealing with
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a full class.
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And what's quite interesting. I won't go off topic too much,
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but I've seen an article yesterday talking about the owner
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of chatch GPT said if they had maybe he's just
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started trying to get more data centers. If they think
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that they could cure cancer in the future with with AI.
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But they're also saying one of the benefits, you believe
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that in the future with the eye, each kid and
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each person and planet I will get their own individual learning.
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So actually the future of education will be very.
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I think they is really exciting. Like I turned forty
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this year, I'm a bit of a dinosaur in modern
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terms of stuff. So yeah, it's exciting. It's there to
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be utilized. I think it's also got its negatives as well.
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I think I think for me, when I watched a
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Great Education Yorkshire and Channel four, okay, and it was
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a whole episode focused on a e and it was
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a young girl was doing a English paper and the
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teachers were adam and she'd used the chatter b tap
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test paper. Now, if young people can access that, that
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removes that step of learning and you just type it
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in again and answer filled in as your homework. When
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you come to apply that in a test setting, that's
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when you'll see that they'll not be able to do it.
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So as much as it's got its benefits, I think
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it will provide a lot of forthcoming barriers and challenges
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in many ways for teachers.
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My wife she's she's went back into education. I think
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for her what she's found very helpful was right explain
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us in a different way. So I think very much
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talking about I think it's the Harvard reference in I
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think there's a lot of ways us to do things
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in the past. I think for horror, I think it's
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good that Okay, she's got this question, it's probably not
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making sense. Maybe you know, break this down to me
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and then bringing it down. So I think that's what's
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quite good about it. But yeah, once again, you can't
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just be doing the chat GPT because you're just copying
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paste and you're not learning, right, And I think past
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center part of the part of learning is the struggle.
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That's how you learn.
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Yeah, straight running a race and you've got bumps in
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the road, you've got challenges, and that that is learning.
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You've got to make mistakes or you're learn from them.
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So I think as a society you're always looking for
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the easy way. Now, what we can get from it
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is that as quick as possible, but it's.
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Not nothing value as anything too easy has not got
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the value for her. So then talk about then, I
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think having the esports side of it, and I think
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you once again when I with my row. You know,
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with any sports, I've heard a lot of people talk
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about esports suites in the Newcastle you needed one, was
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always one, so we use one of the very first
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adoptive teacher.
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Yeah, there's a lot of football clubs who have similar
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esports provision. We're very lucky that we've got our own
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dedicated center five minutes walk from Sir James's Park, which
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has got our dedicated esports suite where in our third
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year now at the building, it's probably the most one
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of the most popular rooms within there as you could imagine,
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and that fully transcends across all our programs, so it's
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accessible to anyone. It doesn't matter what start and paint
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or what program you're on within our organization, you can
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access that room. We run our esports b Tech then
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partnership with Newcastle College, so we've got regular learners coming
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through the doors and again they haven't had facilities like that.
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Just as we mentioned with school and education, colleges face
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the same challenges in terms of budget constraints and different things.
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We're very fortunate that our students have a lovely room
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that they can call their own, what they can access
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to do their work on but also compete in the
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legs of the British Sports Championships and access the games
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platforms that we've got there.
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And so for how many clubs do you see coming
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to visit you like to have a week.
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Then yes, so we've had a fair few. It's becoming
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more and more like very much an open door policy.
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Had a colleague come up from Brighton this week, so
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it was nice to see him and showcase what we've
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got Newcastle. If we could be a reference point for
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someone who's starting, you, it's always good. I think we've
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had a few years now was part of the process.
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There's been up and downs in Kingston the road, but
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we've got a product and we've got a service.
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What's really good, what our.
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Participants really really benefit from, and with wear in the
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position to advice of advice or guidance to other clubs
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and that's what we're there for.
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And so do you feel like who have you had
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to look at? So for example, how did that come around?
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How did that happen? Do you know how that's but yeah,
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tell me the journey of how that even happened in Newcastle?
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started with.
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An empty classroom.
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Effectively, we had a classroom space at our Newcastle Center
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which we could utilize for something. It was brought to
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the table have we considered a sports It was something
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that my senior management and staff and other people at
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the club look at and goes, well, actually, what can
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we do with this sort of gap in the market
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for us something completely new. We looked a partner, as
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I said, with Newcastle College on this. We look to
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explore what was out there in terms of getting the
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right systems and platforms in place. That then, as I'll
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go into more detail tomorrow at the conference, will give
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us a room which is fully equipped with seventeen high
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spec game and consoles, which is branded accordingly and is
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a nice environment for both learning and enjoyment.
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In terms of that sports space.
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And what would you say that Do you think it's
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a tract some kids that might not have been into
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football for example?
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That opened up a completely different audience.
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If you think of after school clubs, now we offer
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esports after school clubs where maybe he's in the past
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it would be a traditional sporting club. Not everyone wants
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to do with sporting clubs or can access as sporting club.
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We'd love to remove those barriers and by having free
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access clubs during the week, we've got a lot of
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our local residents coming and taking part in them across
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the age bands. Again, same with British Sports, something what
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we probably would never have considered of doing before competing.
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We had a winning team in the league.
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Last year, which is great, great sense of achievement for them,
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but not traditional sports.
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So it just opened a different door.
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For us and bringing a different type of participant at
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the organizer.
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And would you say that the kids came along and
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potentially I know that when you're in Newcastle you're stamped
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to be be born. Do you think there's any kids
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that ever been enjoyed the game and it may be
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taking more working interest and maybe even trying to get
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tickets for us and James. Have you seen that kind
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of transition.
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I think it's one of them where football has got
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a universal appeal, But as I said earlier, we're very
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conscious that not everyone's going to be a football fan.
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Where we are based in our any four post code
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areas probably one of the most deprived areas in the country,
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so they're probably people who wouldn't necessarily access the football
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match because they couldn't afford to do so, they can
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access engagement with us, So there's the foot in it
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gives them an opportunity experience something different in terms of
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the participants to what we have on the program, especially
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after school clubs, very diverse ethnic backgrounds. We're seeing people
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who were also engage in our school programs as well,
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So there's leads to that engagement. If you think of
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us being a nucleus of what we're doing, there's so
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many offshots offer programs they can access which they're kind
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of linked to the club.
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Because you think about it as well. I mean I've
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got a lot of girl when she does jeerleading, and
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the cost so much money for the new shoes for them.
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We think about for football kids as well. I mean
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tops now are what seventy pounds for adults for the tops,
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you know, so if you've not got them, in a sense,
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it can make kids feel like they got the money
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they're getting. You know, they're not part of the you know,
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they're not goot the gear, right, But I think we're
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game in a sense. They don't have to worry about that.
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No, it's pretty much turn up and play.
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We provide the facilities, We've got the games preloaded on
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the computer, Assistan, and.
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They're going to feel out no matter what they turn
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in because the kids don't care once they're engaged in playing, right.
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Yeah, And it's one of them where a sports can
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be very much as a solo participation. It could be
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team so you can be competing against someone next year
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or the other side the room, or you might just
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put your headset on play at one player game as well.
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So again it's opening that door of people who may
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not be as confident or social, but they can still
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be around people and just again it opens the different
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avenues for them.
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And if you have you seen that transition to people
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that be not as confident as social, you've seen the
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journey that they came through.
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Yeah, I think for all participants are on their own journey.
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I think it would be universally wrong if I said
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everyone goes from certain point and does the same journey.
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Everyone does something completely different, has a different starting point
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and a different end point with us. But I've think
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coming in and being able to access them things without
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having any worry of the additional payment or like you
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said they're just not fitting in because you haven't got
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the latest kit or equipment. Then barriers, aren't They sort
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of come in and maybe it's the might start where
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that it might be that they don't really engage the coming.
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They put a headset on the play and they leave
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to actually making a friend or talking of our staff,
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and the confidence then builds and they can apply that
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to other areas.
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And have you had any feedback from parents that I've
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said about the difference between the program.
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Yes, so we get a lot of you voice and
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parental feedback.
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The programs of being very well received at Newcastle, especially
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the sports after school clubs. Like I said that a
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lot of the participants that we have maybe from it's
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al based families, so there may be language barriers there
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on that behod but again it's a universal appeal that
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they will keep coming back. If they didn't like it,
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they wouldn't be there. The room's always for the clubs
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are always well attended.
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I think that speaks.
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Volumes for it. And do you think you ever wish
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you hadn't started? Do you feel like it's taking everywhere
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even each up here today? People? Did you ever see
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that we start to snowball like this.
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I think it's opportunity.
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I think that's what we want to be a massive
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advocate for our region and what we've got, and that's
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something what we want to do for our participants as well.
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Whether it be like Ei which she mentioned earlier, whether
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it'd be the different levels of tech which is in
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around the region, where it be film studios opened up
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in Suddenland. There's all sorts going on we want to
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try and yeah, we want to make Yeah, he's supports
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based up in Sunland as well. So we want to
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up the peopil's eyes to what's out there. I think
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we can take people so far and then they've got
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to then explore what their next steps are. But if
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we can make them more aware of different opportunities that
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they may face in the future, that we've done our job,
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we've probably could have thirty computers.
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That you took the question. I was going to say,
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so you think then there's our business case for you
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to talk about expand and then.
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It's one of them where it all depends on funding. Yeah,
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think for us, there will be a big change for
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us in terms of our building as where you would
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then reallocate a room because the facility is pretty much
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in a place now where every room is utilized for
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different means, whether that be classroom space, youth engagement, after
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school clubs are sport and clubs, or even classrooms. The
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esports room has got seventeen computers. As I said, would
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we love thirty fifty?
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Probably?
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Have we got the fund and at the minute do
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that And that's what always the challenges with a charitable
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sector as well.
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And so then I was going to ask as well,
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do you feel like esports is always changing the games
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I was changing? And do the kids help lead the
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direction of where you're going this stuff? Yeah?
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So, as I just said before about youth face, I
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think it's reading pot want to ask young people what
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they want the games, what we've got loaded up. The
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computers are the ones that are probably the most common
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and most popular. With that if there's summit new comes up,
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we ask what sort of things do you want?
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But we've also got to be very.
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Conscious with ages. In parental guidance limits the age of
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the clubs. The games get toggled to be appropriate. But
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then also if we're switching to our British sports they're
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a bit older, they can do different games. So we're
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very conscious of the ever changing face of e sports
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and computing. We've just got to try our best to
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keep up with it and make sure we're offering a
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product and service what young people want to access. They're
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not coming into that games two years all want the
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latest one.
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Yeah, I was gonna ask us, ye know what the
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demographics are the kids that you get, what's the boys
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and girls have been? How many girls or boys?
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Yeah, so we have we have focused on having girls
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only clubs, which have been a great success.
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I think that helps their confidence.
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It does, but then numbers also fluctuate. I think, as
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you mentioned if your own door, I've got two daughters
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as well. Young people in general like to try different things.
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So if we have a critic club, for example, and
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it's not at the same time, they might want to
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go at the critic club instead, and that's what we've
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got to look ad and schedule things so that they
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can attend as many things as possible. Very seasonal as well.
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If you imagine, when I get to win after young
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people don't want to be outside, so our clubs are
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really popular when it comes to the winter, so.
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That's good as well. Then, so it's not just saying
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and how much is to use? Are actually to actively
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try and push the other traditional ones? Is on off?
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Or do they know it's part of the program. Yes,
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take in other sports. Yeah.
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So all our clubs and different programs are free signed
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up on the website. Parents can access them and kids
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can pretty much pick and choose what they want to do.
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We've got currently four clubs running e sports related at
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the minute per week, which provides enough opportunity for different
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age practics to come.
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Boys and girls.
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More traditionally boys we see attending, but as I said,
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we have rad girls only clubs in the past and
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female participants engage the program.
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And so what was gonna actually Gavin? Then what what
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would if we could you see it going then? I
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mean obviously are you bound by what's happening in the
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b tach, I mean you'll out just things yourself or so.
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We I've as mentioned we work with Newcastle College on
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the B Tech. We deliver our set units on that.
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In terms of what's next with that, it's a big
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question mark. I think no one knows the answer in
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terms of what's next for esports in our sort of
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digital provision we would like to maintain and grow what
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we're doing. We've seen some great results with our be
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Tech participants in particular, a lot of them have joined
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us as members of staff, a lot of people have
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went on to do other things. We're the employment are
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further higher education. So it is a real platform for
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growth and development and help them point people in a
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different direction to get them to reach their goals and
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their their.
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Sort of destinations they want to reach.
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But I think, yeah, I think it's a massive question
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over what next. I think it changed so quickly. Opportunities
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pop up where you might not have been anticipating. So
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I think we're just very open to being at a
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point where we've got some of what we know works.
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As we mentioned, people want to use us as a
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reference point, which is great, but also that we can
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be in an opportunity where we can potentially grow and
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developers also there as well.
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And so with the Student Champs and how many times
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a year do you get to compete being part of
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the Student Champs?
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So yeah, So in terms of our British sports teams,
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we have several teams compete throughout the year. JK, who
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runs our room, looks after that he used to represent
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Newcast United FIFA, so he's a great role model and
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example of someone who's actually been in that world. So
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the young people get to access the games they want.
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Again that can be remote, but generally opening our doors
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and getting them their practice. At Newcastle we were lucky
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enough last year, as I said, to have a.
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Rocket League champion.
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So they got all the way at the final Nottingham
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and won, which is something again we were just talking
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before there about Newcastle ending the trophy draft after seven years.
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To see one of our teams win a trophy, it's
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a massive achievement for them young people, which again some
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of them, if you went back to the start of
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the journey, may not have engaged sport, make eye contact,
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didn't want to talk to anyone yet the conference and
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they've just won and they've.
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Always got that and so I think there was robbed
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at Sheffield is a Sheffield Wednesday. It's quite loyal. So
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is there any way that you could start to do
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even tournaments in the Yeah.
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So when you said what's next, I think that's what
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the next sort of thing what we're looking at it.
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I heard I heard potentially there was like a championship
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one coming or something like that.
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Maybe, like I said, loads of different clubs. I know
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chef Wad have got a Sports of Hillsborough in the stadium,
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Cheff United. Loads of clubs are doing it on varied scale.
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It's just in terms of linking them up, which is
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the hardest thing to do.
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I think everyone have got their own.
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Challenges of whether it be schedules and things they're doing
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might not always align. We have competed in hard games
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against other clubs un official friendlies, which is nice to see.
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So I think that's then a sort of next step of.
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Learning that up because I think that's when esports helps,
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because I think with the Premier League, I'm obviously the
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clubs in the top flight in England. I don't very
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wrong to say the point don't need the money, right
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the point don't. But I think when you see sports
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the other clubs they can really get the benefit the
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community side of it and more engagement with the clubs.
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I think that's the clubs that need it the most.
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Yeah, I think we've seen a lot of people who
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have come up, maybe from lower leagues as well. It's
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it's up and down the league ladder where people are
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accessing and getting involved in this. We can only vol
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through what we've done and say that's a great platform,
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open the door of a new type of participant.
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But it's also the right.
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People you need to do it. It can't be anyone
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sports coordinator. Keith is a great deliverer. He can inspire it,
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but if you ask him questions about games and computing,
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he probably isn't him.
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He's more traditional football.
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We've got our delivery, remember Staff Craig, who's probably the
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flip side.
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He's got that knowledge base as well.
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So it's a nice compliment for young people that they've
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got both sides. Slightly outside of both of them. I
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don't deliver on the program. I oversee what they do. Again,
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this is a completely new world for they are. Like,
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that's my gaming, which I'll touch on tomorrow and touch
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on a bit of nostalgia. As a dad of two
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young girls, that's like the next step of my game,
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and games probably stopped for a long time until I've
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had kids who actually, yeah, we can get and can
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we play different things? So yeah, at the minute, coming
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to do some of this like is really out of
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my combat zone.
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And that's why I want to.
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Come and speak to you guys the day and be
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at the event tomorrow, because it's a bit of a
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showcase to any club to say you might not be
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from that world of a sports in stem or digital,
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but you can still bring a lot to it well.
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Because obviously maybe when I first met you and I
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knew about you, I knew what you were doing. That's
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why I thought it was really important for you to
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come here because I know there's a lot of clubs
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in Scotland are looking at it and they don't know
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where to start. They don't know the benefits and they
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hear about it and then they're not getting the right information.
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So I think it's great for you to come up
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and be able to share that and hopefully we can
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get some more. You know, good clubs getting involved in
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esports are here as well. I know the vole depths
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are toes into it, but I don't think anyone's seen
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an actual blueprint to how they can do this now.
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Yeah, I think, like I said, tomorrow, get the chance
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to showcase what we do at newcast Neet Foundation, whether
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that be at any stage that people are accessing, be
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the new on the journey or there quite far along
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the line. That's what we're there for. It is a
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bit of a sounding board for people. The one thing
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with this side of things is the investment that it
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takes to get something off the ground, and you wouldn't want.
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To invest in something that didn't work.
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We were sort of looking now that we can give
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advice and we can see.
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Just lastly, you've probably just done it right. You probably
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give it the kere and attention. So I mean, you
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see lucky. But I think it's probably the credit to
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you and your team that you've managed to make it
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as success.
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So yeah, I think, like I said, we've got great
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people at the organization who are quite passionate about what
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they do. Wouldn't make a difference with it. It's also
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been really important to say that to learn and curve,
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we're not the finished product by any stretch of the imagination,
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but we have got something that works quite holistic in
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our approach.
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We can change things.
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We've got the luxury of that, Like we said earlier,
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with traditional schools and education, they're bound by a curriculum. Yes,
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we've got esports units that we must delivered, but in
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terms of what we offer across the organization that can
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change and adapt as we see.
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And do you think then obviously there's tomorrow be tomorrow,
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but this this episode will hopefully level and the people
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maybe find us in the future. And then do you
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think will be the tip should we give somebody? Do
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you think the education partner is really important of them?
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I think yeah, I think the educational side of things
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is really important in terms of what I can offer.
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There's a different route.
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If you asked a lot of our participants though on
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the course what what they want to get. It might
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be more the different jobs that it might open. They
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don't necessarily want to sit and play the games all
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the time. It might be that they want to go
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into streaming our shellcast in our different areas like that.
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It might be they want to be more creative and
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try and explore them rules. We've got a lot of
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young people's into apprenticeships with Sage, which is one of
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our partners.
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Again, they would never considered going for a job at that.
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Organization until we've given them experience of it and open
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their eyes to what can become.
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And do you think Stage is an employer like the
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skills that people get from esports, And.
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Yeah, I think it's them young people.
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The links what we have with employers is also really
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important and one of the benefits of our employability programs.
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We can open employer's eyes to what the job market's
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like participants. I like, just as we said with learners
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and schools, people are different now an old school interview
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where you sit in front of a panel, some people
635
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may really struggle with that. And if we have a
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link with an employer where because actually you've got a
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bit of a rough diamond. Yeah, they've got all the
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skills and the assets, they might just not have that confidence.
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That's where we can start shaping.
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It's quite old to think that you're getting nailed on,
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just like sweating out. Yeah, you're right, that's the thing. Gavin,
642
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all the best for tomorrow. Thank you so much for
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taking the trip out in Scotland and thank you for
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calling the point of Thanks for having us. Much appreciative Buddy,