Wave 2 2024: Release Notes Don't Make Sense Anymore

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George: good afternoon,
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Nick: Good evening.
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It's late for me here, but the sun
has just gone down because we're
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right in the middle of summer here.
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What time does it go dark there
in, in Australia these days?
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George: about 5 p.
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m.
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Depends which coast you're on, but same as
in Canada, but on East Coast, around 5 p.
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m.
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ish.
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We're in the middle of the winter,
so energy prices are high and nights
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are chilled, not by Canadian standards,
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but
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Nick: I was going to say, do you have
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your boots and your parkas and have
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George: Oh we've got
we've got our gillettes.
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Anyway hi
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everyone.
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I'm George Dubinsky.
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Nick: I'm Nicholas.
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Hayduk
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George: And we're here
with Refresh the Cache.
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It's been a while we've been
busy doing other things, but it's
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nice to kick back into action.
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And what is the better occasion
to do that than the release notes?
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Nick: Yay, release notes.
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Yeah, that's always a
fun time of the year.
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George: I'm kind of don't know what to
feel about release notes in general,
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because teams are very agile these days,
and they continuously release something.
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We already on preview for this and
that, and something's been announced
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a month ago or two months ago so
release notes, I guess it's nice for
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those teams to have a checkpoint a
checkpoint but did you find anything that
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kind of blew your socks off?
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Nick: I wouldn't say in this one.
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I agree with you that so every month
when we do our community calls, I do
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a little new segment and I remember
a few years ago, like some months
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there'd be like, Not really much news.
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This, these days, like every month,
there's usually four or five new things
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that have been published via the power
pages, like the product team blog.
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And many of them have nothing to do
with what was in the release notes.
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They just brand new
features that come out.
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The release notes, it's a, a fun time
of year, fun time to, to speculate
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about what, what might actually happen
and what might just be a dream, but
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it's certainly not the, a comprehensive
list of everything we're going to see
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because we know we're going to see,
or at least pretty sure we're going
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to see a whole lot more than that.
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I would say this time there
wasn't really anything in there
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that Really knocked my socks off.
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A couple of cool things.
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I'm interested to see, how they're going
to invest in that community template with
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some of that AI stuff but just in general,
there wasn't usually there's always been
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that one big, wow, I can't wait for that.
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I would say there's nothing in
here that is really going to be a
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game changer as far as I can see.
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George: Okay, let's start not with
the release notes, but with our
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favorite segment, deprecations.
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We did talk about it last
time, and I think since then
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there was one thing deprecated.
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That's Enhanced link
creation in Design Studio.
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I guess we're splitting the hairs here
and we're talking to HTML nerds, but
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I'm reading it is that they used to
implement buttons as the button element.
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Now they're doing it as uh, hyperlink.
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And style it with CSS
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Nick: Yeah.
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And that makes sense.
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It looks like they had it as a button with
an on click event that just has a little
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bit of JavaScript to kick them over.
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If I was writing the HTML, it would
have been as a, as an anchor tag.
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So it seems like a smart change.
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Honestly, I'd question why it was
done the other way to begin with, but
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George: I'm on fence here.
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Button is a nice semantic.
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It's yes, you can certainly from
visuals, you can do whatever you
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want with hyperlinks, but button
gives you a nice semantic way to
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differentiate the links and the buttons.
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I'm special on the mobile devices, so I'm
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yeah, I'm,
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I'm not
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Nick: But if your button is
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George: yes, then it should
be, then it's not definitely.
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Oh,
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and I think I missed that,
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Button
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Nick: because they're saying before
they would have a button with a simple
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on click event, and that, to me Now, I
agree if it's a button on a form, and
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it's providing some action, I agree
with there being a button there, but
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to implement what should be a hyperlink
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George: Oh, I see what
they, oh, that's yuck.
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I'm reading.
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It's oh, that's a link to URL.
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So what they've done,
the button with on click.
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JavaScript snippet,
Windows location, href,
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equal, url.
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That's rubbish.
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Yeah,
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Nick: I'm glad we're on the same
page, because, I didn't want to
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call you out, but if you continued
the way you were going down,
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George, you would have been wrong.
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George: Yeah, okay.
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I'm glad I actually stopped and
read a little bit more into it.
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Yeah, that's this is exactly what
kind of how not to use buttons,
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because semantically it's a hyperlink.
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I guess so.
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That's enough for deprecations we
already talked about PowerApps, Portal,
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Studio, Be Retired good riddance.
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It wasn't very useful at all.
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Cool.
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But I don't see PowerApps management
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app going away anytime soon.
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Nick: No, the power.
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Yeah.
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The power pages management or the pages
management app or whatever it's called.
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They spent all that time building out the
new one for the enhanced data model and
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yeah, I don't see that going away anytime
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George: And we'll talk about
it once we get to one of the
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items, I believe, templates.
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So let's talk about the release wave.
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They group it into.
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Four major themes.
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I don't know why they even
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theme it.
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Do I really care?
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Nick: I skip all that garbage preamble and
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get right, give me, just
get right to the list of
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George: Okay, list of
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features.
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So let's let's go into
administration and governance.
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There's been so many little things
they kept adding in the past few
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months that I don't see this one.
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It feels like PMs are saying,
Hey, you are PM for governance.
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You have to put at least one thing
on the list and say, Oh, for crying
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out loud, we just released seven.
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What can I put on the list?
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And they're going, yeah.
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Okay.
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You can.
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Disable external authentication
providers in websites.
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You deal with the, my customers are
usually smaller than than yours.
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You deal with the larger customers.
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And, uh, for smaller customers,
I don't see value here.
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Like we, we control whatever
gets created anyway.
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Do you have a customer who spins off
the websites and it's like there's
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17 portals of PowerPages
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Nick: You know what, this is another one
of those features that until we run into
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a couple of large customers, and this
would have been three or four years ago,
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and I might have told the story already
once on the podcast, but I'll tell it
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again, where we did run into this where
their security team would almost not
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allow the product to go in there Like,
of course, we can control that, the maker
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can control which authentication providers
could go on there, but there was no way
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for as a tenant administrator for you
to control what the makers could do.
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And that was it.
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That was a deal breaker, right?
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And so that's what some of these things
are, is we don't necessarily trust the
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makers themselves to make those decisions.
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And so we need at it as a
global administrator, we
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want to set those settings.
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So I'm to me, a lot of the
projects like, Oh is this really
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where we're going to invest?
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George: I totally appreciate it.
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If a person governing the entire tenant
or people governing the entire tenant and
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security in the entire tenant, there's
a different crowd from the, from makers.
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Then this totally makes sense.
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It's basically saying, we're not
going to allow you to use Facebook
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under no circumstances you are to use
Facebook as authentication provider.
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End of story.
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I don't want to hear about it.
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That's it.
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Close it off.
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As I said, on a small customer
scale it's not very helpful because.
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We are makers, and we're also usually
global admins, and we are the ones who
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advise and control for small to medium
businesses, you advise and control what
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they can or cannot or shouldn't do.
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But that's totally safe for larger
customers ability to govern and say, We
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only allow for Entra hold on it's not
B2C, External Entra ID, is that right?
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It's,
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That's the new name for B2C replacement.
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Nick: Yeah, so that's, it's not
the name for, new name for B2C.
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It's a completely separate
product, but that's the direction
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George: the idea is it will
eventually replace B2C.
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So people with B2C shouldn't jump up
and down and say, oh, what's changing?
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What's changing?
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Nothing is changing in B2C.
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But there is another product
called Entra External ID.
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I believe that, that.
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is the replacement.
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B2C has its
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own share of the problem, so internally.
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Okay,
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Nick: that's a pretty good segue
into the set up Microsoft Entra
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external ID with a wizard thing.
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So well, well done on
the segue there, George.
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George: Oh go ahead because I never
used Wizards, so I used to type in
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seven
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Nick: Oh, I see.
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George: tag boxes,
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so
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Nick: so
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I'm not sure how many of our
listeners would remember.
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So at one point there was a wizard you
could follow in for Azure AD B2C that
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was one, one set of screens where you
didn't actually have to go over, like
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it set up the actual B2C tenant for you.
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So you could just go through this wizard.
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You didn't have to jump between
the Azure portal and all
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these other different screens.
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You just went through the
flow and it was great.
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And that's that was our go to.
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It disappeared for a little bit.
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And so it's not accessible
right now, as far as I know.
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I know I followed up with the
product team a few times to find
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out, Hey, where's that thing going?
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And they said just hold on.
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We're working on it.
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So recently they have announced.
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They, and I think when I looked into
this, it was actually one of those
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things that went into the release notes
for the previous wave, but it wasn't
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there when it was originally announced.
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But if you go back to the release
notes for wave one, you'll see that
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support for Microsoft Entra external ID.
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Is being added to power page.
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Now I don't, when I checked last
week, it still wasn't there for
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me, but we're in Canada, so we're
always like the last ones to get it.
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but the
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George: Shouldn't you,
use the US Preview Tenant
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to see all the
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Nick: I I probably should.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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I did that the other day to play
with some of the co pilot stuff.
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Cause we're also, we never get
co pilot stuff here in Canada.
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George: Oh, nice segue into the
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Nick: um,
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George: pit of despair,
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the Copilot stuff, anyway.
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Nick: but so essentially what
we have here is they're, It said
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available in July at some point,
the ability to set up Microsoft
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Entra external ID with PowerPages.
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So I'm guessing the experience for that
one would be similar where you'd probably
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have to go set up the actual Entra.
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Entra external ID setting somewhere else.
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And then you hook it into what's
announced here in these release notes
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is that they will be introducing a
wizard that will be similar to what the
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wizard was, would be to see where you
can do everything all in one screen.
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So it's an enhancement to a feature
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And I don't know if it's quite out
there because it did say it said July.
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George: For preview.
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notes say it's December,
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maybe private preview.
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sorry.
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feature without the nice fancy
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configuration wizard, just to add
external Entra ID to PowerPages
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George: one would think that if an Entra
External ID would be compliant with
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Open open standards.
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So, OpenID
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Nick: would be an open a connect, but
in the same way that's also what Azure
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ADB2C to see, but I think they just
want to show up as the, one of those
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ones in the list and the, copy and
all your settings and make it easy.
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that's coming out in July right
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away here is, pasting all your
values into this nice screen.
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don't even have to set it up elsewhere.
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George: Yeah, and Some things you
can hard code, like for example,
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oh, we know it's going to be login.
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com then slash tenant ID, so I just
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a very tight and neat package for,
just for that product, which is nice.
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Why there's no public preview, or
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Nick: If you actually, this was released
here in the last couple days, on the
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PowerPages blog, there is a description
of the Of the file upload features.
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product blog, you'll see that they
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describe what some of the new features
are relating to the file uploads.
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of the file so that you can
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upload files up to 10 gigabytes.
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actual UI for uploading.
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you can see the progress of your upload
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the ability to download and edit and
delete the files And a lot of this has
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to do with enhancing the experience
of the Azure Blob Storage integration.
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Another thing that they're doing is
you can, I believe you're going to
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be able to set up that Azure Blob
Storage integration right in the
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PowerPages Design Studio, as well as
access those files via the web API.
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So I think previously, if you stored
files in Azure Storage Blob, it was
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like they didn't exist in the web API.
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is that you'll be able to interact
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with those files via the web API.
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George: Okay, we'll drop the link
to that blog post in the notes.
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There is also scan files for malware.
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that's, uh, It's a promise,
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In release notes.
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Let's see, and the other one, configure
file upload for SharePoint storage.
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I assume it's just more
streamlined experience.
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and similar to Blob Storage, you should
be able to upload files to SharePoint.
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Any improvement in this
area, yeah, would be welcome.
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More certainly yeah.
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The side loading, it's a bit painful.
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You've done a few of those,
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right?
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companion apps that would do a proper
SharePoint integration with a smooth
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experience and nice file upload and so on.
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effort to achieve that.
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iframe, right?
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Nick: It's, yeah, it's often not pretty.
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years ago where I blogged about some
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validation with the SharePoint stuff and
actually got a question on that, that
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I was just responding to where someone
wanted to limit the total file size.
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So they want to say, Hey,
you can upload up to a total.
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You can upload as many files as you want.
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But combined, it can be
no more than 25 megabytes.
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That one's a bit of a
tricky solve on that.
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The only way I could think to solve
that would be maybe a power automate
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flow that you could, trigger through
the web API that calculates how
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much storage is taking up right now.
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I just had a call a couple of weeks
ago, a call with a customer and say,
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Hey, look, we can't upload files.
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I said, remember the file size
you asked us to set to 10, 10
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megabytes or something like this.
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He said, yes, but I'm uploading
file which says nine megabytes.
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Why doesn't it allow me?
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Oh, you want me to explain to
you what Base64 does to files.
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Nick: Uh,
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George: Because the file that's just
for listeners, it's consider tip
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of the podcast episode, that file
upload, the limit is set on base
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64 encoded file and base64 tends
to blow up the size if it's binary.
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So if you upload something like a zip
file, you can't compress it anymore.
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So a good zip file, let's say nine
megabyte, chances are it will be by the
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time it's encoded, it will be 11 or 12
megabytes and it will blow up the limit.
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So it's always approximate limit.
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It's under that.
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And it could be up to
two thirds under that.
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Something to keep in mind.
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It's never a precise number.
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Scanning for malware, they used to
be solutions like you could set up
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intermediate storage and we've done
it for one customer like files would
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go into intermediate storage into blob
storage where they would get scanned.
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And then once they scan, they would.
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be picked up and upload it to
where the final destination.
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So you upload file and it's
a couple minutes later, it
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appears where it belongs.
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Like it's yeah, we've done it.
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I'm not sure what, how the
experience is going to be here.
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If file is large, it will
take time to scan it.
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What is going to be, it's like file.
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I'm here, but
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I'm not here.
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Nick: I know that's a huge
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ask.
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There's lots of.
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Government contracts where
that's a pretty firm requirement.
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So it's good to see that there's going to
be something so that we can at least check
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that box without, the more sophisticated
solutions that you're talking about.
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George: I'm curious about
user experience on that one.
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Oh, no doubt.
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That's actually very nice feature.
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And since we're talking about small
and large businesses, for large
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businesses, it's a nice feature
because you're ticking the box.
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For small businesses, it's a
nice feature because I don't have
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to explain customers, like how
important it is and just enable them.
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And we're done.
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Yep.
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Moving on.
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Transform natural language.
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I'll let you talk about it, because I'm
so opinionated about it, it's, I suspect
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here you're empowering the wrong people.
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There's medieval times, and
some lord calls upon his people
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and says, Let's go to war.
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Here's the weapons for you.
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And says, dude, we grow wheat, right?
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We don't fight.
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No, there is the good, arrows
and bows and swords and things.
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And those people get killed, right?
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Pretty much very fast because there
is no weapon against trained army.
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You're empowering the wrong people.
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So that to me smells the same way.
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It's if you need translation of
natural language into Power Fx
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formula chances are your formula
is going to be so long you will not
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be able to understand what it does.
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And two, there's a good chances
that we'll get it wrong.
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It's just it will improve.
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The second one will improve over
the time, but we struggle even now
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with people documenting what they
create and explaining their intent.
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Here you just say some words and the
formula appears and you record it
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and No one else knows what the heck
did you mean by that and then you
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go on vacation for three months and
something else falls apart and it's
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like, why this formula is there?
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What did he mean by that?
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Decipher That, on the other hand, is good.
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this is kind of two
sides of the same coin.
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Someone writes a formula and
disappears into sunset, and someone
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else would come back and say, what
the heck did they mean by that?
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And so they decode the formula and
then it goes like in the circles
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and it will produce some magic.
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Look as a study thing to help
learn, I find it quite valuable.
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explain functions like
difference in Power Facts.
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I can't remember off the top
of my head, because I don't use
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Power Facts day in, day out.
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But for example, there's
concatenate and there's concat.
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And one works with the ta I don't
remember which one which, but one works
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with tables, another one with strings.
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Nick: It replaces a google
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search.
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George: yeah, it's things like that.
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Anyway, but let's move on to something
a little bit more interesting, unless
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you have something to add to that.
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Nick: No, I think they're just, trying
to get it to level with The liquid
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stuff that already exists trying
to get parity between those two.
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So makes sense
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George: I found git git hub
copilot quite helpful in getting
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the liquid expressions right.
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I found it learns on the job.
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You start, it generates something
and say, dude, that's wrong.
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It's oh, okay.
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And it learns and you correct
it and it learns its way.
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And then the next time it
generates the way you want it.
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So it's adjusted.
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So it's quite helpful.
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It's definitely I find myself
writing things much, much faster.
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using suggestions, proper
suggestions, discarding
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suggestions, and things like that.
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Anyway, let's move to web templates.
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Oh that's interesting.
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We should have a separate episode
talking to people about what web
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templates are and how they work because
people now coming into PowerPages
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Studio without doing hard time.
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At lower level.
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And they jump at the higher level and
they may not know what web templates are.
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We're not gonna spend time right now.
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But what's what do you think is common
in this area in preview, in October?
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Nick: So I found the name of this feature
to honestly be a little misleading.
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It says use power fx in
web template components.
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And so web template components are those
kind of new things where you can create
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a web template, develop the manifest, and
then have people within the design studio.
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Insert those web templates into the thing.
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So I don't think you can
actually use Power Fx within
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the web templates themselves.
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Or, that's really not what
this feature is about.
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This is about how you can use
Power Fx in the parameters that
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are passed into the components.
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So when a Power Page Design
Studio user is going to insert.
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You're one of your web template
components that they have the
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ability to pass in parameters.
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And I believe what this is in those
parameters, you can insert your power fx
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George: commands.
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one of the things, definitely.
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It's authoring a Power Fx
formula using the formula bar.
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But the next bullet point I'm reading
actually says you can use Power Fx,
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but as you would in web template.
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Utilization of data from Power Fx formula
results in the web template for logic and
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experience.
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Nick: Yeah.
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So I just, I wasn't sure if that
meant for that because you've
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passed in the data via the parameter
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George: I have
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no idea.
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But how much can you
pass via the parameters?
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Nick: Yeah.
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George: parameters are only strings.
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That's one of the limitations, right?
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How much can you serialize it to that?
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Nick: Hey,
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George: That's not going
to be very effective, but,
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No.
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Nick: a string George.
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Everything's a string.
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George: When we were studying high energy
physics, string theory was very popular.
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I don't know what happened.
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It's still there, but it was very popular.
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Now, when I was studying, it was quite
a kind of one of the more newer, shinier
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things, but yes, everything is a string.
483
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You're right, both on quantum
level and in power fx formulas.
484
00:23:16,875 --> 00:23:19,375
Or rather manifests for templates.
485
00:23:19,925 --> 00:23:24,955
Do you see in the future like power fx
mingling with liquid or replacing it?
486
00:23:25,235 --> 00:23:25,795
What do you think
487
00:23:25,795 --> 00:23:26,965
the intent is here?
488
00:23:27,592 --> 00:23:31,862
Nick: I find it hard to believe at some
point that Microsoft would get like, would
489
00:23:31,862 --> 00:23:36,472
actually replace it just there's just so
much of it out there for, so for them to
490
00:23:36,472 --> 00:23:40,682
cut it out you're looking at something on
the scale of the, the enhanced data model
491
00:23:40,682 --> 00:23:43,352
migration or the bootstrap five migration.
492
00:23:43,372 --> 00:23:46,522
And so I don't know if there's
really a need to eliminate it.
493
00:23:47,032 --> 00:23:49,852
But I could see that the investments.
494
00:23:50,527 --> 00:23:53,427
that they make, which is honestly
at this point, relatively small.
495
00:23:53,477 --> 00:23:56,307
When's the last time we
had a new liquid feature?
496
00:23:56,687 --> 00:23:57,897
It's relatively rare.
497
00:23:57,897 --> 00:24:01,747
All I can really think about is as they've
added new support for new field types,
498
00:24:01,747 --> 00:24:04,837
whether, file or images, that sort of
thing, they are adding that to liquid, but
499
00:24:04,837 --> 00:24:06,097
in general, that you're not seeing that.
500
00:24:06,097 --> 00:24:08,117
seen a whole lot of
investment on the liquid side.
501
00:24:08,607 --> 00:24:11,417
So I would say that
would probably continue.
502
00:24:11,417 --> 00:24:16,027
They'd probably still want to maintain
parity, but if they are going to invest
503
00:24:16,027 --> 00:24:21,857
in some cool new, let's just say way
to, to build forms using low code stuff,
504
00:24:21,897 --> 00:24:26,757
that's going to be done with power fx
and maybe not so much with liquid, man.
505
00:24:26,757 --> 00:24:29,187
That would be real painful to
try and get rid of all the liquid
506
00:24:29,187 --> 00:24:30,957
that already exists in the world.
507
00:24:31,252 --> 00:24:35,812
George: I'm not sold on the replacement
thing, even if it was possible
508
00:24:36,262 --> 00:24:44,157
because fundamentally I think liquid
is a templating language, whilst
509
00:24:44,157 --> 00:24:46,627
Power Fx is expression language.
510
00:24:47,207 --> 00:24:50,947
So they're fundamentally different
because in Liquid you, you mix
511
00:24:50,947 --> 00:24:54,207
and match HTML and the output.
512
00:24:54,207 --> 00:24:56,637
Liquid is all about string output, right?
513
00:24:56,637 --> 00:24:57,797
That's what you produce.
514
00:24:57,857 --> 00:25:02,697
But it's so easy to write templates
and mix and match like HTML and
515
00:25:03,057 --> 00:25:05,267
output of the liquid expressions.
516
00:25:05,317 --> 00:25:08,577
and add some processing,
like using objects.
517
00:25:08,907 --> 00:25:13,957
The part where Liquid does some
processing, that is tedious
518
00:25:13,957 --> 00:25:18,307
part, because Liquid is just
not designed to do it very well.
519
00:25:18,832 --> 00:25:20,632
like looping through things.
520
00:25:20,662 --> 00:25:23,472
There are constructs,
but they're a bit clunky.
521
00:25:23,772 --> 00:25:27,802
So that's something that Power Fx
would do well, but I struggle to see
522
00:25:27,802 --> 00:25:30,932
how Power Fx would deal with HTML.
523
00:25:30,962 --> 00:25:31,602
What are you going to do?
524
00:25:31,612 --> 00:25:36,302
Like in PHP echo strings to the output?
525
00:25:36,392 --> 00:25:40,242
What, how are you going to do the
template, the layout of things?
526
00:25:40,932 --> 00:25:41,482
I don't know.
527
00:25:41,522 --> 00:25:42,792
I need to play with it.
528
00:25:42,812 --> 00:25:42,982
Have
529
00:25:42,982 --> 00:25:44,802
you played with PowerFX?
530
00:25:44,802 --> 00:25:44,852
Is it
531
00:25:44,852 --> 00:25:45,452
available?
532
00:25:46,297 --> 00:25:47,357
Nick: Just a little bit.
533
00:25:47,427 --> 00:25:49,987
It was mentioned in one of my
community calls and someone was
534
00:25:49,987 --> 00:25:55,787
asking about, could you edit it in
like using the VS code integration.
535
00:25:55,787 --> 00:25:58,072
And so I created some, a
power of X formula and I tried
536
00:25:58,072 --> 00:25:59,292
to see how it was written.
537
00:25:59,292 --> 00:26:03,282
And it was, I forget the exact format,
but it did look like you could edit it.
538
00:26:03,282 --> 00:26:07,552
There was some sort of I forget if it
was, some curly braces and then, but
539
00:26:07,552 --> 00:26:09,912
there was some kind of similar to liquid.
540
00:26:10,847 --> 00:26:14,897
So some sort of token that would
identify that this was power fx.
541
00:26:14,917 --> 00:26:18,457
So I, in looking at it, it seemed
yeah, if you use those, if you open
542
00:26:18,457 --> 00:26:22,257
and close your power fx area that
you should be able to do it in there.
543
00:26:22,257 --> 00:26:24,327
George: And you would use
Liquid for that, right?
544
00:26:24,327 --> 00:26:27,097
Bracket percent PowerFX, bracket
545
00:26:27,237 --> 00:26:29,497
percent, then you write PowerFX end
546
00:26:29,517 --> 00:26:30,257
PowerFX.
547
00:26:30,638 --> 00:26:32,818
Nick: which one would get evaluated first,
548
00:26:32,818 --> 00:26:35,098
Could you write power fx
that generated the link?
549
00:26:35,108 --> 00:26:36,798
I wonder which one they'd process first.
550
00:26:36,897 --> 00:26:40,797
George: Oh, that's interesting thing
to try Power Fx spitting liquid?
551
00:26:41,007 --> 00:26:42,277
Does it get picked up?
552
00:26:42,337 --> 00:26:43,247
Or liquid spitting?
553
00:26:43,507 --> 00:26:44,627
Something to try out.
554
00:26:44,677 --> 00:26:45,307
Definitely.
555
00:26:45,747 --> 00:26:46,697
Let's move on.
556
00:26:46,707 --> 00:26:50,477
That's it for Design Studio,
whatever this area is.
557
00:26:50,517 --> 00:26:52,407
Let's move into Copilot.
558
00:26:52,507 --> 00:26:56,790
This is actually quite an
interesting thing, because Unlike
559
00:26:56,790 --> 00:27:01,132
Copilot for creating Websites.
560
00:27:01,292 --> 00:27:02,472
This is not about it.
561
00:27:02,482 --> 00:27:05,982
Though it's in preamble, they talk
about makers can use copilot and power
562
00:27:05,982 --> 00:27:07,972
pages to create parts, yada yada.
563
00:27:07,972 --> 00:27:08,692
That's fine.
564
00:27:09,132 --> 00:27:11,712
They still didn't address
what I'm dreaming of.
565
00:27:11,712 --> 00:27:16,892
It's like point to the website and say,
I want my site to look like that website.
566
00:27:17,472 --> 00:27:18,402
Bring it over.
567
00:27:18,882 --> 00:27:19,692
But that's coming.
568
00:27:20,432 --> 00:27:24,852
I can do bits of it right now
with chat, GPT or whatever you
569
00:27:24,852 --> 00:27:27,102
want, a copilot, other copilots.
570
00:27:27,142 --> 00:27:32,772
And I can pull apart the website and say,
give me design elements and this and that.
571
00:27:33,232 --> 00:27:39,362
One of the selling points of ADX,
never got any facelifts since then.
572
00:27:40,677 --> 00:27:47,357
those templates, partner template and
help call center or help desk template
573
00:27:47,457 --> 00:27:49,437
customer service, whatever it was.
574
00:27:49,547 --> 00:27:55,827
So there were a lot of templates and this
one is a newer one, community template.
575
00:27:55,847 --> 00:28:01,957
That's a new reincarnation of
forums and blogs, I believe.
576
00:28:02,027 --> 00:28:03,147
What else is there
577
00:28:03,277 --> 00:28:04,687
in community template?
578
00:28:05,187 --> 00:28:07,797
Nick: So that was one thing
I wasn't quite clear on.
579
00:28:07,917 --> 00:28:11,417
Are they referring to the, cause
there's the modern community and then
580
00:28:11,457 --> 00:28:14,917
there's the old one, do you think
this is the modern community template?
581
00:28:15,366 --> 00:28:16,356
George: They don't specify.
582
00:28:16,366 --> 00:28:17,096
I would think
583
00:28:17,096 --> 00:28:17,486
so.
584
00:28:18,757 --> 00:28:22,957
Nick: Because I do the forums
exist in the modern community.
585
00:28:22,957 --> 00:28:27,627
I didn't think they did, but I could be,
we haven't used the modern community one.
586
00:28:27,887 --> 00:28:30,487
I thought the modern community
one was just about ideas.
587
00:28:31,186 --> 00:28:35,406
I think it's still the kind of that older,
the older school community template.
588
00:28:35,406 --> 00:28:36,616
Cause that's where the forums
589
00:28:36,721 --> 00:28:39,651
George: To describe the, what do you
care to describe with the features?
590
00:28:40,226 --> 00:28:45,256
Nick: So basically we've got some copilot
features that are going to help you if
591
00:28:45,256 --> 00:28:49,986
you are using the forum functionality
that exists in some of those templates.
592
00:28:50,276 --> 00:28:54,996
So one is to actually have an
AI moderator for the forum.
593
00:28:55,016 --> 00:29:00,426
So you can have the the AI try to
identify forum posts that are spam, or
594
00:29:00,426 --> 00:29:04,846
they also mentioned forum posts that
don't meet the community guidelines.
595
00:29:05,106 --> 00:29:07,566
So you can have it automatically
just filter those out without
596
00:29:07,566 --> 00:29:08,796
any human intervention.
597
00:29:09,286 --> 00:29:11,016
They also are talking
about thread summarization.
598
00:29:11,546 --> 00:29:15,956
If you want your users to not have
to read pages and pages of posts in
599
00:29:15,966 --> 00:29:19,126
a particular thread, and you just
want a nice, AI summary of, here's
600
00:29:19,126 --> 00:29:23,306
the question, here's the answer, and
have AI give you that summary for you.
601
00:29:23,496 --> 00:29:27,616
They've got that coming as well as
just using enhancing the search.
602
00:29:27,616 --> 00:29:31,256
So using an AI search within the
actual forums, and I think other
603
00:29:31,256 --> 00:29:32,806
aspects of the community template.
604
00:29:32,806 --> 00:29:34,456
So an enhancement in the search area.
605
00:29:34,456 --> 00:29:38,646
So those are the three areas
within the PowerPages Copilot area.
606
00:29:38,996 --> 00:29:41,556
And again, so these are
features not for the makers.
607
00:29:41,566 --> 00:29:45,146
So not to help you build the site,
but for the actual users of your site.
608
00:29:45,156 --> 00:29:47,746
In this case, they talk
about the community template.
609
00:29:48,016 --> 00:29:48,526
George: Interesting.
610
00:29:48,526 --> 00:29:50,026
That's not called copilots.
611
00:29:50,806 --> 00:29:55,836
These are called AI Moderator, AI
Search, and AI Thread Summarization.
612
00:29:55,896 --> 00:30:01,026
I guess because they're not
they're not that community facing.
613
00:30:01,036 --> 00:30:06,226
You don't, as a member of the community,
as a user, you will not face any of these.
614
00:30:06,246 --> 00:30:10,516
It's behind the scene action, most
of it, thread summarization is one of
615
00:30:10,526 --> 00:30:15,816
the most useful features that you see
right now on the web where AI is used
616
00:30:16,246 --> 00:30:20,946
and ubiquitous Amazon reviews, right?
617
00:30:20,976 --> 00:30:26,766
That's a good example where it's super
useful because you have 700 reviews.
618
00:30:26,986 --> 00:30:32,236
And then you've got summary says
people like the color and the shape
619
00:30:32,416 --> 00:30:38,416
of I don't know, of the speakers and
people dislike the functionality and
620
00:30:38,516 --> 00:30:42,936
short lived, Nature of those speakers,
because most of them break down within
621
00:30:42,936 --> 00:30:44,226
two months, something like this.
622
00:30:44,226 --> 00:30:47,106
And those summaries is super useful.
623
00:30:47,296 --> 00:30:51,246
Incidentally, I came across of the
situation, you go to the forums and
624
00:30:51,246 --> 00:30:53,066
then you find here's the question.
625
00:30:53,821 --> 00:30:58,311
And here's verified answer and you read
it and say, dude, that's just wrong.
626
00:30:58,371 --> 00:30:59,931
This is not the answer.
627
00:31:00,131 --> 00:31:03,161
And then you start reading and
then say, this is the answer.
628
00:31:03,161 --> 00:31:04,151
Not that one.
629
00:31:04,181 --> 00:31:05,941
This is the answer, right?
630
00:31:06,331 --> 00:31:12,051
And interestingly enough, if you
feed it into OpenAI or Compiler,
631
00:31:12,051 --> 00:31:15,411
or whatever you're feeding it
into, it will pick those up.
632
00:31:15,411 --> 00:31:19,681
It picks up the sentiments of
people talking about proposed
633
00:31:19,681 --> 00:31:21,131
solutions and things like that.
634
00:31:21,331 --> 00:31:26,471
And you see it like on Stack Overflow and
on forums when something is marked as the
635
00:31:26,471 --> 00:31:28,411
answer, but it's actually not the answer.
636
00:31:28,551 --> 00:31:32,931
Hopefully, thread summarization
will give better experience
637
00:31:32,941 --> 00:31:35,061
with the suggested solutions.
638
00:31:35,261 --> 00:31:40,481
Or, say, hey, look, People talked about
for seven pages, but there is no solution.
639
00:31:40,491 --> 00:31:44,631
The problem is still there, so
that's definitely very much useful.
640
00:31:45,171 --> 00:31:47,441
Okay that's pretty much it.
641
00:31:47,451 --> 00:31:50,791
You think so, but wait a minute.
642
00:31:50,791 --> 00:31:56,121
Started, I think we both independently
opened up something where we
643
00:31:56,121 --> 00:31:57,891
started but we no longer go there.
644
00:31:57,891 --> 00:32:02,731
Dynamics 365 released notes and did
a quick search on PowerPages, and
645
00:32:02,751 --> 00:32:05,631
lo and behold, what do we have here?
646
00:32:06,481 --> 00:32:09,011
Nick: I want to keep this show
family friendly, so I'm not going
647
00:32:09,011 --> 00:32:12,221
to give all of my thoughts on
what I think of the events portal.
648
00:32:12,521 --> 00:32:21,001
But it, there were some references in
the Dynamics 365 release plans about
649
00:32:21,081 --> 00:32:29,681
a new, improved portal to allow people
to view events, register for events
650
00:32:30,171 --> 00:32:34,931
and what I thought was interesting was
the fact that it wasn't just it's oh,
651
00:32:34,931 --> 00:32:39,451
it's for power pages it was you could
embed it on power pages or you could
652
00:32:39,451 --> 00:32:45,091
embed it elsewhere which just brought
up all of the terrible memories of the
653
00:32:45,541 --> 00:32:50,051
Kind of previous version of this that
was built on angular and it was again
654
00:32:50,111 --> 00:32:55,281
you could you could host it with power
pages or you could host it yourself And
655
00:32:55,291 --> 00:32:56,978
yeah George are you excited for this?
656
00:32:57,178 --> 00:33:01,418
George: Excited is not the
word I would use, but I'm more
657
00:33:01,418 --> 00:33:02,918
curious than anything else.
658
00:33:03,038 --> 00:33:10,718
It's been in the making for a long time,
and people continue to weep and cry and
659
00:33:10,728 --> 00:33:15,318
use Angular, the app, because we don't
have any better experience than that.
660
00:33:15,978 --> 00:33:20,913
And I think we should make a bet what the
heck is going to be the implementation.
661
00:33:20,923 --> 00:33:25,953
Just to read out the conditions are
so portal hosting options embedded in
662
00:33:25,983 --> 00:33:31,933
an existing website embedded is such
a broad name, could be iframe could
663
00:33:31,933 --> 00:33:36,243
be leveraged and out of the box file
pages templates for quick deployments.
664
00:33:36,593 --> 00:33:38,783
So one thing is clear.
665
00:33:38,813 --> 00:33:40,643
They're probably not going to do it twice.
666
00:33:40,653 --> 00:33:42,673
So they're not going to do
anything special for PowerPages.
667
00:33:42,673 --> 00:33:47,343
So PowerPages will be just a
website where you can embed.
668
00:33:48,013 --> 00:33:52,423
And what they're going for is a list of
upcoming events and detailed summary for
669
00:33:52,423 --> 00:33:56,363
each event included session information
and speakers and ability to register.
670
00:33:56,373 --> 00:34:00,753
Ability to register is there now because
it's embedded forms, marketing forms
671
00:34:00,783 --> 00:34:03,233
that do allow you to register right now.
672
00:34:03,233 --> 00:34:05,973
So there is nothing groundbreaking there.
673
00:34:06,453 --> 00:34:10,323
So do you want to make a bet how
they're going to implement it?
674
00:34:11,823 --> 00:34:12,863
Nick: Oh, man.
675
00:34:14,152 --> 00:34:16,312
Like, how would I, do that?
676
00:34:16,402 --> 00:34:18,786
Yeah because if you're going
to embed the iFrame, the iFrame
677
00:34:18,786 --> 00:34:21,051
still has to live somewhere.
678
00:34:21,551 --> 00:34:26,111
Just some ugly URL that like,
yeah, some iframe that's built
679
00:34:26,111 --> 00:34:28,501
directly into that marketing thing
680
00:34:28,511 --> 00:34:32,591
George: my bet is surely they
will not go for React, right?
681
00:34:33,051 --> 00:34:36,060
Because that's just Angular
682
00:34:36,060 --> 00:34:36,970
make two
683
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:40,080
Nick: probably build it react themselves,
but they're not going to say, here's
684
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,710
the react code deployed somewhere.
685
00:34:42,260 --> 00:34:44,040
,
George: How on earth
would you recompile it
686
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:44,330
then?
687
00:34:45,286 --> 00:34:46,326
Nick: No, I'm just saying that they would,
688
00:34:46,336 --> 00:34:49,726
They would host the react code
themselves and you embedded in an iframe.
689
00:34:49,736 --> 00:34:52,226
So within your iframe
it's their react code,
690
00:34:52,726 --> 00:34:54,986
But they're not giving you
the react code to actually
691
00:34:55,060 --> 00:34:58,660
George: So you can't even
change the layout of the thing?
692
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:00,690
That's the mystery to me.
693
00:35:01,060 --> 00:35:05,130
And with iframe now I have some
doubts about iframe, you know why?
694
00:35:05,450 --> 00:35:08,760
The screenshot that I have, it's
probably designed in whatever
695
00:35:08,770 --> 00:35:10,390
Microsoft designer, right?
696
00:35:10,450 --> 00:35:11,430
It's not real.
697
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:12,020
Let's be honest.
698
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,340
It's got sign in button in the corner.
699
00:35:16,225 --> 00:35:20,535
With iframe, you're going to have
all sorts of issues with trying
700
00:35:20,535 --> 00:35:22,595
to sign in inside the iframe
701
00:35:22,635 --> 00:35:24,135
or outside the iframe.
702
00:35:24,445 --> 00:35:25,025
It's just
703
00:35:25,185 --> 00:35:26,748
going to be a
704
00:35:28,356 --> 00:35:32,556
Nick: does the, does, does the history
of this events portal over the last
705
00:35:32,556 --> 00:35:36,736
10 years give you any confidence that
there just won't be all of these issues?
706
00:35:36,736 --> 00:35:39,406
Like normally I'd be like they
can't possibly be, come up with
707
00:35:39,406 --> 00:35:41,986
something that wouldn't, that
would be so silly like that.
708
00:35:42,546 --> 00:35:46,166
But I can't say that I have the confidence
to say that's not going to be a thing.
709
00:35:46,166 --> 00:35:47,763
Yeah.
710
00:35:47,815 --> 00:35:54,415
George: were doing it, honestly, I would
say I would say something to the tune.
711
00:35:54,416 --> 00:35:57,715
In PowerPages, create
a nice lean template.
712
00:35:58,140 --> 00:36:00,240
That just works directly with marketing.
713
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:04,320
You have ability to change things
on the backend, talk directly to
714
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:09,820
the backend on the marketing side
or CIJ customer side journey side.
715
00:36:09,820 --> 00:36:10,810
So do that.
716
00:36:10,815 --> 00:36:15,970
There is a events API that you can
use because registration is a mystery
717
00:36:16,210 --> 00:36:18,670
where they write registration data.
718
00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:19,990
I would do that.
719
00:36:20,430 --> 00:36:24,540
And then in parallel, I will do a
totally separate implementation.
720
00:36:24,900 --> 00:36:28,860
Could be React, could be something
else based on this events API.
721
00:36:29,295 --> 00:36:32,845
I would give people reference
implementation and then say,
722
00:36:32,885 --> 00:36:36,295
knock yourself out because
whatever is your hosting engine,
723
00:36:36,295 --> 00:36:38,575
whatever you want do it, right?
724
00:36:38,885 --> 00:36:42,415
If you react guy, he's your
react way to approach it.
725
00:36:43,155 --> 00:36:44,125
Give the substance.
726
00:36:44,125 --> 00:36:48,025
Event API, event management
API gives you enough.
727
00:36:48,525 --> 00:36:50,785
Things to, to go by, right?
728
00:36:50,785 --> 00:36:55,045
If you want to build a website,
build the website, if I were to say
729
00:36:55,045 --> 00:36:59,005
that this is what you have to do,
George, you have to embed it on the
730
00:36:59,005 --> 00:37:01,675
website or host it in PowerPages.
731
00:37:01,675 --> 00:37:03,005
It needs to be the same code.
732
00:37:03,615 --> 00:37:08,965
I would probably go for spitting
out HTML but do it in a smart way.
733
00:37:08,965 --> 00:37:13,555
So it's not embedded, but sorry, it's
not iframe, but actually embedded.
734
00:37:13,865 --> 00:37:18,165
Similar way as people generate
forms, the form can be generated by
735
00:37:18,185 --> 00:37:20,245
JavaScript and inserted on the fly.
736
00:37:20,465 --> 00:37:21,825
So I would do something like that.
737
00:37:21,855 --> 00:37:26,815
Then I can preserve the semantics of
the data and say, whatever styling
738
00:37:26,815 --> 00:37:29,645
you want, he's CSS reference.
739
00:37:30,135 --> 00:37:34,625
And you do your own styling because then
you can make it look whichever way you
740
00:37:34,625 --> 00:37:35,105
want.
741
00:37:35,715 --> 00:37:37,045
So that's what I would do.
742
00:37:37,045 --> 00:37:38,415
I would, sorry.
743
00:37:39,061 --> 00:37:40,411
Nick: I still think it's
going to be an iframe.
744
00:37:40,845 --> 00:37:41,455
George: Okay.
745
00:37:41,975 --> 00:37:45,205
You say iframe and we'll come back
when we're going to come back.
746
00:37:46,225 --> 00:37:47,395
Public preview November.
747
00:37:47,605 --> 00:37:53,965
We'll do a checkpoint in November,
and Nick saying iFrame, I hoping the
748
00:37:54,015 --> 00:37:59,425
team will not let me down and will
spit appropriate HTML that inserted
749
00:37:59,425 --> 00:38:01,565
by using some smart JavaScript
750
00:38:01,745 --> 00:38:05,035
Nick: see, now I'm in a lose
situation because either I'm wrong
751
00:38:05,265 --> 00:38:07,195
or I'm right and it's iframe.
752
00:38:07,265 --> 00:38:08,019
George: That's about it.
753
00:38:08,099 --> 00:38:13,639
What's coming up in the next six to
eight months, there's more coming up,
754
00:38:13,649 --> 00:38:15,379
but this is what's in release notes.
755
00:38:15,379 --> 00:38:16,289
let's put it way.
756
00:38:16,839 --> 00:38:19,389
Thank you very much and until next time.
757
00:38:19,889 --> 00:38:22,175
Nick: I'm looking forward
to uh, seeing who's right.