What If Organization Is A Peace Practice

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Welcome to the Create Harmony Podcast.
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So around here we believe that peace is not something we simply hope to stumble upon, it's something we practice.
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And one of our favorite ways to explore that idea is through conversations.
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So each week we invite a thoughtful and interesting guest to pull up a chair and share what they've learned, what they're practicing and noticing along the path to peace.
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We'll hear from creators, storytellers, everyday experts, all kinds of people with something meaningful to share, and those voices will inspire us to see our own lives a little differently.
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Some of those conversations are deep, and others will remind us to be more full of play and wonder and just get curious about the world around us.
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But they all point us back to the same question: What helps us create more peace, joy, and connection in ordinary life?
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So I'm Sally Burlington.
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I'm the founder of Create Harmony, and I am so glad you're here.
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I know you're gonna love today's conversation.
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Welcome back to the Create Harmony Podcast.
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I am so glad that you are here.
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And today we are making a transition as a podcast all summer long.
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We've been talking about hobbies and how to be playful and how to be fun.
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And now we're in our what I'll call back to school rhythm, and we're thinking more about how we can use order to create some peace in our lives.
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And we have Ashley Bailey with us today, and she runs a company called Everything Orderly, and that means she helps everyone else get organized.
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So we're gonna talk to Ashley about all things order.
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So welcome, Ashley.
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Hey Sally, thank you for having me.
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So excited about hearing from you.
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So just get us started about tell us a little bit more about what the scope of everything orderly is.
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Sure.
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So I um about three years ago, I decided to start everything orderly because um I realized that when my home is out of order, it makes the rest of your life feel like it's out of order.
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And so I know there's a lot of people out there like me, um, busy working professional with children and a family and all the things.
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And um I just realized there was probably a need for a service to help other people like me, you know, bring some calm into your home so then the rest of your life feels a little less chaotic.
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Absolutely.
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So, okay, explain to me.
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I mean, I completely agree, completely agree.
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And right before we got on the recording, we were both talking about the fact that we have college-age children and there's there's nothing like, you know, the moving parts of the college age time that you could relate to that idea even more deeply.
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Or even anytime you're parenting, I mean, like at all phases of parenting, I feel like there's a lot of things.
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So tell me before we get into that, tell me more about like how the process works.
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If someone is working with you, what does that look like?
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Yep.
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Okay.
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So um, if somebody was interested in helping sort of get their life back on track as far as like order, um, they would reach out to me and we would have a conversation, um, you know, maybe a 15 15-minute conversation over the phone with like kind of things that you as a client would be interested in, um pain points and things that you would be interested in fixing, if you will.
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Um, and then from there, I would come to your house and we would do a consultation and we would, I would take a look at your space or spaces and we would figure out, you know, how you live.
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So this um for my business, this process is not like a cookie cutter.
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So it's not, you know, your pantry might be different than someone else's or your laundry room or how you live.
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Um, it's a customized um situation.
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So it's really important for me to see how you as a family um, you know, function in your life.
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And so um then after we do the consult, then um I would give you an estimate and then we would move forward with the project.
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And so then I would come to your house and I would get things in order and a system.
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I think that's the the key word is system because you can be organized, but life is still gonna be there and um things are gonna get out of out of place.
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And so having a system to be able to reset is the, I think, the critical piece.
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Yeah, for sure.
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Um and I will say, um, just for the conversation, that Ashley came to my house for a project um and she reorganized like my laundry room, my room area.
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And it's so awesome.
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I mean, I still have every little label, you know, right where she put it.
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And my husband came in at some point and he was moving things around.
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And I was like, no, no, do not mess up my my system here that you you do not know more than the professional organizer.
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I guarantee you do not.
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I do, I do love a label too.
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So I'm glad you mentioned that because I think that that you know, that honestly just helps everybody else because it's like there's no excuse that it doesn't go back in the in the right spot if um if there's a label there.
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So for sure.
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I think he kind of was like, Oh, okay, yeah, right.
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I I didn't know that I was messing up.
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Okay, I did it and I didn't know what happened.
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So um, but he's got it now.
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He's he's into it, he's got the system going.
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But yeah, so that's that's awesome.
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Tell me, um, let's see, what are the what tips do you have for people when they're trying to get organized?
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Do you have any, you know, as an or as a professional organizer, are there tips or how to keep things organized?
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Either one of those things.
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I think um, I think probably one of the first things is typically when people are realizing, you know, maybe like, oh, I'm so unorganized or things are chaotic in the house and um that they're so overwhelmed that almost like they want to just kind of try to do everything.
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I think the I think my number one tip would be pick something small that you can organize that you can sort of get instant gratification.
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Um, so like maybe the junk drawer that you have in your kitchen um or a small drawer in your bathroom, you know, some place that you're and I think it's ideal if it's like maybe a place that you're kind of touching every day because it's that like once it's you know organized, um it just it gives you that satisfaction, you know, when you're pulling it open every day.
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Um, so I think that's probably the biggest thing is like don't try to tackle too much at once, but pick something small and maybe ideally something that you're using on a um regular basis.
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That's a great tip.
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That's a really, really great tip just because it does make you feel like, okay, yeah, I can do that.
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And like for me, it yeah, I I'm I I consider myself a relatively organized person, but even then sometimes those projects get overwhelming.
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So starting a little bit of a and I say this, Sally, a lot to clients, you know, because a lot of people say that to me.
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They're like, well, I really am organized.
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And um, I would say that the majority of my clients are organized people.
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Um, they just don't have the time.
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And like it's kind of like outsourcing your landscaping or your, you know, housekeeping or whatever.
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You just have too much to do in your normal life to make your family function.
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Um, and especially, I think, um, not to throw the dads under the bus, but especially as a mother, um, you're just you constantly have these things in your brain that are going just all the time.
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You really never pause.
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And so sometimes, even though you may be an organized person, it's difficult um to just sort of add that to the to the list of things to do, right?
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Well, and sometimes I get, I mean, giving having you come into my space, the big thing that it did was give me momentum for some of the other spaces.
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Like having that work for sure.
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And even having you come into my space helped me to see like how to use the space in new ways.
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Like I was able to look at it and think, okay, I don't, I never even really need that.
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And and while that part now is organized, I don't I don't even need that thing.
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I didn't even know I had it, I didn't even know it was in there.
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Right.
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You didn't know it was tucked in the back of the cabinet.
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I don't, or I don't need any of those things.
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And she, you know, I appreciate that they're all now organized and labeled, but now I realize I only need two of those and I need to get rid of some of them, you know.
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I know I did have a client who had um probably about 25 containers of Clorox wipes.
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And I said, Hey, what do we got going on here?
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And she said, Yeah, that was like COVID.
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We signed up for a subscription and we just never canceled it.
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And it was like, oh, okay.
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I, you know, and they were kind of tucked all over.
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And I think one thing about organizing and being able to like get like things together is you realize to your point, like, I don't need eight of those.
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Or maybe you do need eight of those, you know.
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Like, I think my philosophy is not that you have to um actually get rid of things.
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I mean, part of my process is definitely I think you have to edit or, you know, declutter before you actually organize because otherwise you're just organizing junk.
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Um, you're just kind of finding places for things that maybe you don't actually need.
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So I do think it's important to go through um to go through that.
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But um my philosophy is if the item has a home, then we're all good.
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If there's not a place to put something, then that means you need to, you know, reconsider some of the things that maybe you have.
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Figure out a place, or maybe it doesn't need a place.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Right, exactly.
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And so I think that's um that's important.
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But like to my point of, you know, the 25 Clorox wipes, it was like, okay, great.
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She guess what?
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Now she canceled a subscription, so she's saving herself some money because she didn't even realize she had this many.
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Um but you know, let's say you have eight spatulas in your kitchen drawer, and I say, Do you need that many?
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And you say, Yes, Ashley, I do, because we host Thanksgiving every year and we always need those.
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Great.
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Then that's okay.
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I thought you did a great job of not.
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I mean, there was no judgment.
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Like it's a little bit vulnerable to open up your messy space to somebody, and you did not make me feel like I never felt like she's thinking, what in the heck has she got going on in here?
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You know, I mean, you just organize what was there and didn't judge it, which I was huge.
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Thank you for saying, thank you for saying that.
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Um Well, I think that's probably that's one of the that's probably the most common thing that people say when I go into their home is please don't judge me.
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And so I appreciate you saying that because I don't think that I do that.
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And um I, you know, it's like you've called me because you want some assistance in getting your life in order, and this is definitely my passion.
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And so I want to help you achieve that.
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So I'm certainly not um not there to judge.
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Um yeah, it's not an accountability meeting.
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It is not.
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People people say to me, I'd love to see what your house looks like, you know.
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And I'm like, or organization does not mean perfection.
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It means that um great point.
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I mean, I think that I think some people think that.
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And I mean, I am a little OCD, I'll admit it.
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But um, but you're but you do have, but you're but life gets in the way.
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And I think it goes back to what I was saying earlier about systems, is that as long as you have a system in place, you can quickly reset.
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So at night, when you look at the kitchen counter and it's cluttered with things, you if you have a system in place, you can put things back where they go.
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And then when you wake up in the morning, you have, you know, a nice calm area to have your cup of coffee or whatever.
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Yeah, I love that.
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I I and I was saying earlier, right before we got on, that one of the things that I say to one of I have one daughter that's very organized and another daughter that's not as organized.
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She is very organized, but she's not as clean and neat and orderly as her other one.
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And and I and she's more like me.
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So I'll I'll take that in.
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And I say to her, order helps you find things.
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Like this is how it's gonna help you find things.
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And now that she's in college, she is very, she does have systems, she believes in systems.
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But at a younger age, you know, I would go in her room and say, we're gonna evict that troll from your room today.
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Yeah, exactly.
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It's been living in there.
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I have some trolls living in one of my kids' bedrooms too.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Um, so anyway, but but I would but I think she could grasp that concept of like order is gonna help me find things.
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That's what it's for.
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And I think that's very helpful.
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Oh yeah, no question about it.
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I mean, it's like it, it is um, it's like I said, like order begins at home.
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And it's like if you if you feel like when you've left your, you know, home base to go out into the world to do whatever it is, work or play or anything, it's like your brain is just so much calmer.
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Um if you've got a system.
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If you're yeah, it is.
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It's just, I mean, that's like I truly believe that.
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I mean, I can I before I did this job, I was in corporate America for 25 years.
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And um I can remember times where I would leave the house and it would just be sort of chaotic here.
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And just your your brain is just jumbled up to if you're you know, if your home it, if your home is.
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So I think it's just when you can um, if you can create a calm space at home, it it's helpful.
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I think that's a really good point that having those systems gives you that mental calmness because you don't have to then make decisions.
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Like the decisions are already made.
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You're just following the system.
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You don't have to constantly think, okay, what am I to do with this and what where does this go?
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And you know, you just follow it, you know.
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Yes.
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I think, and I do think like decision fatigue is like a real thing, you know.
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And it's like you start to just, you're like, I I can't do this, you know.
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Um, and so if you'd like to, like you just said, if you have the systems in place, then it does you like you get up in the morning to make the lunches, and it's like you know where the lunchbox is, you know where the snacks are, like the boxes that are in the pantry are not you thought they were full, but they're actually empty, you know.
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Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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It's like all the things, you know, and it's like just the kids' soccer cleats are, you know, in the mud room, and so you can just grab them on your way out the door versus like, wait, where's the other one?
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Or, you know, it's like if you have if you have a system, then it just makes life so much easier.
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So, okay, I'm gonna circle back to when you said that you recommend that people do a little bit of an edit before you get through process with you.
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Definitely tips.
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Do you have any tips for that edit process?
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Okay.
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So editing is the hardest part.
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Yes.
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I mean, it definitely is, it's the hardest part.
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And um I think it's the part that people like to skip over.
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Okay.
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Because it's like, okay, you know, let's just take, let's take the junk drawer for instance.
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Like, let's say you're gonna do your little project with the junk drawer and you pull things out, and if you don't go through what's there, um then all you're doing is just moving things around in the same space, right?
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And so it's ultimately just gonna end up back like it was.
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If you um if you pull the things out and realize, oh wait, these batteries are corroded in my junk drawer.
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So I think I'll throw those away.
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You know, these ink pens don't work, or you know, the wait a minute, why is the Tide, you know, pod in the junk drawer?
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Like that's supposed to be in the laundry room, like whatever it is.
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Like I think it helps um not only remove things from the space that shouldn't be there, but also helps you get rid of things that you really don't need.
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Okay, I love that.
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Well, and it for those of us that when when you're talking, I'm thinking, okay, this is it's a it's a wise thing sometimes for those of us whose brains don't have as strong of executive functioning.
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Um, it's wise to edit some, but then also to turn to a guide like yourself, you know.
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So what are do you have tips for?
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I mean, you are local here to Riley, so anyone who's local can certainly reach out to you.
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But for those people who are in other places, you know, other cities, what are your tips for looking for the right fit organizer guide?
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Yeah.
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Um, so I think you need to find, I I do think that um finding somebody who you feel like kind of has the same values you do and just is like maybe thinks along the same lines you do, because there's certainly people, there's certain they're different types of organizers.
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And so, like if you are a minimalist type person or you want to become more of a minimalist type, like you might want to target an organizer that really focuses on that, like a Marie Kondo kind of um organizer, where it's like, do these things bring you joy?
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And if they don't, then you should, you know, downsize.
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Um, or are you looking for somebody that's just trying to um help you remove things that you know have just become overwhelming?
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Like maybe it's that your kids have outgrown certain toys and like you need help just sort of sorting through things, like there are people like that that can help you.
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Um if you have, I mean, there's also things like if you have ADHD, there's certain your organizers out there that focus on helping people that have um that struggle with, you know, just attention um and being able to set up systems that are helpful from that perspective.
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And then you can kind of go all the way to the like hoarder um mentality of um, you know, people that really do struggle to to get rid of things.
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Um, and there are organizers out there that can um can do that too.
00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:39.680
And so if you're looking for an organizer, you what?
00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:43.920
Chat GPT or yeah, how do you think yeah, there's I mean, I do.
00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:45.759
I think you like look in your area.
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Um there's a there's a website called Organizer Near Me that you can, you know, put type in wherever you are and things will pull up.
00:18:55.279 --> 00:19:00.400
I mean, Instagram obviously has, you know, you could put organizer and you're fine, you know.
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Organizing is very popular now, um thanks to the home edit people.
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Um but um but yeah, I mean, I think that you you need to find somebody that that you feel comfortable with, that you feel like you can trust.
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That I mean, I would say that you feel like is not judging.
00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:36.480
I mean, because I do think that's important because um if you feel like somebody is judging your situation, then it's gonna make it hard, you know, to really trust that person to we are as organizers coming into your personal space.
00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:38.319
Yeah, for sure.
00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:39.839
It can be difficult.
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So I think I think with like the um like going back to like the editing piece, like um I think about like the biggest struggles with people editing things are um people start thinking about like who gave it to them, like whatever the thing is, like, oh, but somebody, but you know, so and so gifted me that.
00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:08.559
It's like you have to really think about like, are you using the item?
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Like, is the item useful to you?
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Is it something you're using?
00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:25.839
Um I think people think about like, oh, it belonged to my grandmother, which is all great and fine, but you feel guilty because your mom gave it to you because she said this was your grandmother's.
00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:26.400
Right, right.
00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:30.480
Like you don't remember your grandmother using it, you've never seen it before.
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Like it doesn't it doesn't hold any meaning for you.
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Right.
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And so like I think that like if you can come to terms with um feeling like it's okay to let go of those kinds of things, I think that's the that's the that's the challenge.
00:20:46.880 --> 00:20:55.279
And I think as an organizer, as a professional organizer, my job is to help guide you to make those decisions on your own.
00:20:55.519 --> 00:21:03.440
It's not me saying, Sally, I don't care that your grandmother gave that to you or that your mom gave it to you and it was your grandma's, you should get rid of it if you never use it.
00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:06.480
You know, you have to come to that realization.
00:21:06.559 --> 00:21:17.839
And I've had clients who we've had conversations about things that I'll say, like, you know, I think this is probably something you could part with, like maybe you already have one or you don't use, you know, when was the last time you used it?
00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:21.039
And they'll say, I didn't even realize I had it, or like whatever.
00:21:21.759 --> 00:21:41.599
And um I think that when the person can say it themselves, like I've had clients who say it out loud, they're like, they'll say, Well, you know, whatever it is, like, um, you know, well, I've had that for 10 years, and then they're like, Hey, that sounds ridiculous.
00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:46.480
Like, wait a minute, like I've had it for 10 years and I'm never even knew where it was.
00:21:46.640 --> 00:21:47.920
Like, this is crazy.
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Like once the once people realize on their own that it's makes, you know, sense, then it's they have have an easier time.
00:21:56.480 --> 00:21:59.759
I had a client, an older client who um downsized.
00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:04.559
Into I've been working with clients recently who are doing a lot of downsizing.
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And so they're going from these homes that they've lived in for 50 years and they're moving to these retirement um communities where they're moving into a two-bedroom apartment.
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And also, I think like people our age, Sally, are not as like we're not, and especially younger than us, are um, you know, not all into the, you know, the heirloom things as much, right?
00:22:31.039 --> 00:22:33.839
Like the China and the silver and all the things.
00:22:34.160 --> 00:22:39.279
And the people that the baby boomers are more so, at least in the South.
00:22:39.680 --> 00:22:46.880
And um what I'm finding is they want to hang on to all those things, but they're moving to this two-bedroom apartment.
00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:52.480
It's like you're not gonna be inner doing a 12-person party, you know, entertaining.
00:22:52.640 --> 00:23:04.400
And it's like when you start to just sort of have the conversation around the situation, um, they realize, like, oh, wait, you know, I had this like the one client, and she just said, Oh, you know what?
00:23:04.559 --> 00:23:05.920
She was like, This is crazy.
00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:07.039
Why would I keep all this?
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I'm never, I'm not gonna be having a party like that anymore.
00:23:09.839 --> 00:23:32.240
You know, it's like, okay, yeah, let's and I think um also if you um if you think about like serving other people, um, and if you think about, I think a lot of times people are more willing to part with something if they know it's going somewhere that can benefit somebody else, yeah, versus like just going in a box and throwing it some donation center.
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You know, if they if they feel like they can give it to somebody that could use it, or it's going to a specific place that um, you know, that could use it, they're more willing or they have an easier time parting with you.
00:23:47.119 --> 00:23:58.799
I think the thing that I took away from the working with you for in my space, and I've really used this a lot in the other spaces that I've worked with, is to ask myself, like, why do you have this?
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And really, sometimes I I was sort of doing that before, like, why do you have this?
00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:06.400
But I I think I was taking that why now.
00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:12.640
I'm taking that why a little deeper of like, do you really need to keep your brownie uniform?
00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:14.319
I mean, like, do you need that?
00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:15.519
I don't why?
00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:16.720
Why are you doing that?
00:24:16.880 --> 00:24:19.359
Because your children are not gonna be brownies now.
00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:22.640
I mean, who is someone gonna dress up as a brownie for Howling?
00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:24.640
What is this in here?
00:24:24.799 --> 00:24:27.759
I know I was just feeling like, well, I mean, that's my brownie uniform.
00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:28.720
I might need to do that.
00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:29.279
I know.
00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:33.519
Um, so I think that was you know, another that's really good.
00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:35.759
I just saw something on Instagram this morning.
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It was another organizer had posted it, and she was just like, if you don't do it at 55, you're gonna have to do it at 75, you know, and it's like, why not just start kind of just going through the things you have like that, like your brownie uniform, like my T-ball jersey?
00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:54.799
Like, why am I hanging on to this?
00:24:54.960 --> 00:25:01.279
Like, you know, because I'm still a brown, I was still a brownie, like whether I have the uniform or not, I I did that.
00:25:01.359 --> 00:25:03.920
And we're, you know, that's part of the memories and moving on.
00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:05.359
We don't need to keep the uniform.
00:25:05.680 --> 00:25:16.240
One thing I did recently, or one suggestion, and it was with the daughter of the woman that we moved, but um, she really wanted to take a lot of things with her, and there just wasn't room.
00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:19.039
And so we said, let's do some pictures.
00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:26.400
And so we I think taking a picture of something, so you still have you know evidence, right?
00:25:26.799 --> 00:25:37.839
But it's not like a thing taking up places, and then um, she's gonna do like a little coffee table book with her pictures, you know, so that she can like look through it and like just remember these things.
00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:52.160
I think like a really important point is like the thing is not the memory or you know, it's not the person, like the you know, the serving piece that belonged to your great grandmother is not your great grandmother.
00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:53.039
Right, right.
00:25:53.279 --> 00:25:54.160
That's a great point.
00:25:54.559 --> 00:25:59.200
I think you know, it's like if you can think of it that way, sometimes it's a little easier.
00:25:59.359 --> 00:25:59.519
Yeah.
00:25:59.839 --> 00:26:03.680
I think people also think about the value of whatever this thing is.
00:26:04.079 --> 00:26:05.039
That was expensive when I bought it.
00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:07.200
I paid a lot of money for that, but guess what?
00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:08.160
The money's gone.
00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:09.680
So it's okay.
00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:13.839
Like if you don't use it anymore, then it's okay to get rid of it, even if you paid a lot of money for it.
00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:14.240
Right.
00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:14.720
Yeah.
00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:15.839
I I like that idea.
00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:27.920
So okay, so where do you stand on the idea of you know, making things Pinterest beautiful and the, you know, the pantry re reboxing things to make it?
00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:28.559
Yeah, okay.
00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:32.319
So I love aesthetically pleasing, I will say.
00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:33.279
Yes, me too.
00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:41.440
But I think I'll go back to what I said early on, which is every system has to fit the person that's living there.
00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:42.400
Sure, sure.
00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:50.880
And so if I I have clients who, you know, like I want the towels folded perfect in the, you know, in the linen closet.
00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:52.880
Um, and when I'm there, I'll do it.
00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:59.519
But like I've had a client say, like, Ashley, just so you know, like we're just gonna make sure the towels make it back to the linen closet.
00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:01.359
We don't care if they're all folded the same.
00:27:01.599 --> 00:27:02.079
Yeah, absolutely.
00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:04.079
And so that's fine.
00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:09.680
It's like I know, like I've done a number of jobs for this particular client, and I just know that about her now.
00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:25.839
And so it's like there's certain things that when I'm planning a project, um, I I know that it's like this does not need to be like all the all the screws in a container, all the nails, all the hammers, all the screwdrivers, whatever.
00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:27.680
It just needs to be tools in a box.
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Like that's gonna work for them.
00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:33.119
For other people, it's like they want it very detailed.
00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:44.480
So I think it's very um for me personally, I like the aesthetically pleasing, but I don't think that that is or I don't think that equals organization.
00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:49.680
It goes back back to my favorite word system, but it kind of just goes back to that.
00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:58.000
It's like if you if you have a cardboard box with, you know, sports equipment, whatever, shoes, whatever.
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Like if you have like that sitting at your back door and that it all goes in that, like great.
00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:14.160
But I do love a container, like I love something to hold things because what a container does is just what it's meant to do, it contains.
00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:29.599
And if your container is full, then that's your signal to say, hey, might be time to purge some things or might be time to move some things back to their you know, original home or whatever.
00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:33.039
So I do think containers are super important.
00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:34.640
Yeah, yeah.
00:28:35.680 --> 00:28:44.480
I was gonna ask that if you have any tips for like really small spaces and that maybe that's one of the tips is like if the container's full.
00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:47.279
I think containers is containers is huge.
00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:50.480
Like I'm definitely a huge fan of containers, like no matter what.
00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:56.000
And like I said, like the container can be a beautiful basket, it can be an acrylic bin, it can be a cardboard box.
00:28:56.079 --> 00:29:04.160
It can, you know, I have one lady told me she said she uses her Swiffer box, her Swiffer containers when they're empty.
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:07.200
She rinses them out and she uses those for her containers.
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:08.319
Oh, that's a great idea.
00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:09.440
You know what?
00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:18.720
Anything works, but I do think having like having a space like a container, a small space using vertical space is critical.
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:19.279
Okay.
00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:23.279
So um, like for instance, I did like a little under-the-stairs closet.
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And when I opened the door, like everything was just kind of all over.
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And so we put some shelving that just went up the wall.
00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:35.519
So all the things come off the floor and they go on the shelf, and now you can see what's in the space.
00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:45.279
I think um using vertical space, whether it's shelving, hooks, um, backs of the doors, like just don't forget about those things.
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:50.960
I like to have things off the floor, it makes it just feel calmer and cleaner.
00:29:51.200 --> 00:30:04.000
So I think if you're in a situation where you have that, like either a container that they kind of that things sort of live in so it doesn't seem chaotic um or using that vertical space.
00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:05.200
Yeah, I love that.
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:13.519
When you came to my house, we, you know, there were some things that you moved shelves that you moved around and things, which I mean, that's obvious.
00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:17.839
Like move the shelves around in the cabinet, but I I don't, I just didn't really think of that.
00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:29.599
And that is helpful to be like, okay, it is are you using the rectangle of space you have uh to its highest order, if you will?
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:31.680
Um exactly.
00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:33.519
And you're not the only one, Sally.
00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:34.720
Like that's so common.
00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:48.079
Like it's like you just all the shelves are in the kitchen cabinet or the laundry room or whatever, like there's four shelves in there, but you're like, you know, really only need three shelves because I need a lot more clearance for all my tall pillar candles or whatever.
00:30:48.319 --> 00:31:07.839
And it's like it's okay to take one of those shelves out, you know, and people just sometimes it's like I think it goes back to what you said about just having like a another set of eyes that doesn't look at the space every day that it um it sometimes makes it helpful just to see something differently.
00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:20.240
Um, I think a challenge for me is sometimes I think everybody sees things the way I do and realize, you know, I mean it's really it's been really interesting and like so much fun.
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:24.319
But um I, you know, I've always been an organized person.
00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:32.319
My mom used to um, I shouldn't say make, but she would encourage my sister and I to organize our Barbie clothes and Ziploc bags.
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:42.160
So we always we yeah, we we we grew up organized, you know, and so I just just kind of how my how my brain works.
00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:43.440
Yeah, I love that.
00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:47.599
Okay, so you may not have an answer to this question, but I'm gonna ask it.
00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:57.440
Do you have any tips for people that well, let me back out into it this way and say hiring a guide, which I think is a wise thing, is an investment.
00:31:57.519 --> 00:31:59.519
It's not it's not the most inexpensive thing.
00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:06.240
So, do you have any tips that we haven't already gone over for somebody that maybe that investment is not doable at this season of life?
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:08.079
Do you have any other thoughts about that?
00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:08.640
Yeah.
00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:14.559
So I would um I think like if making the investment, because you're right, it is.
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:18.160
I mean, I I always say it's like it's sort of a luxury service.
00:32:18.400 --> 00:32:26.160
I mean, um, but I do think that if you can see, I think the investment can be worth it.
00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:39.680
But if you're at a stage in your life where the investment is just not a feasible, um, I think utilizing things like Pinterest and Instagram, and there are so many, I mean, I even myself get ideas, you know, for things like that.
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:43.680
And so I think um utilizing that, follow my Instagram page.
00:32:43.839 --> 00:33:00.480
Like I post things on there that I hope are tips, not just um all the time, just projects I'm working on, but things that are like, hey, you know, I actually um posted something yesterday that was a um really deep pantry cabinet that was like 22 inches deep.
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:06.640
And the client was an older woman who was having a really hard time like reaching to the back of the cabinets.
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:09.599
And the way the cabinets were, she could only go, but so high.
00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:17.039
So we put these um 20-inch turntables in the um like lazy Susan's in the cabinet.
00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:27.279
So we maximized the space of the cabinet, and she's now able to see everything that's in the cabinet because the depth of the, you know, the piece goes to the back.
00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:31.599
So then I had a a friend reach out and she's like, I need these, I need these.
00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:37.839
She had a situation, a similar, um, similar pantry situation at her house, and she's like, This is a great idea, you know.
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:48.079
So follow organizers um on Instagram because I think you can get good tips and um you can find things that are specific to your to your spaces.
00:33:48.400 --> 00:33:49.039
I love that.
00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:58.079
I I've got a deep closet upstairs that I and it the bad thing about it is it's really, really deep, but the door opening is more narrow than the out.
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:03.680
So you can't like put those pull-out drawer in the pull it out.
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The door is too too narrow.
00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:07.039
So that would that turntable.
00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:11.360
Yeah, I think um that turntable that was that was like one of my little favorite things yesterday.
00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:12.800
I was like, oh, I love this, you know.
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:26.320
I do think like optimize, like you know, we talk about small spaces, but even awkward spaces like corner cabinets or um deep pantries, like getting um containers that fit the space.
00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:30.159
I mean, I think a lot of times what people will do is they're like, oh, I love these containers.
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:32.880
I'm gonna get these to organize my whatever.
00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:34.719
Um, that's kind of backward.
00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:43.840
So, like what you want to do first is you want to figure out what you need to contain and what space you have to contain it, and then get your container.
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:44.400
Okay.
00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:58.320
Okay, so that leads me to another question, which is because I am a I I like to organize things, yep, I also tend to create a collection of organizing materials, sure, containers and everything.
00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:04.239
And sometimes they aren't, they no longer are the right fit for the spaces that I have.
00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:05.360
And so then what?
00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:07.360
Do you have any tips with what to do with things?
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:19.360
I think if you I think if you have the space to like hold on to those things, like great, like store them away because the if especially if you're a person like you who wants to do another project.
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:27.519
I mean, I certainly have things that I've used in my pantry and then I've changed out, but I hold on to those bins because I'm like, I might be able to use this in another space.
00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:28.000
Okay.
00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:28.239
Yeah.
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:34.239
Um, so I think if you have the room to hold on to them, stick them in an attic or a basement or a closet or whatever, great.
00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:45.679
If you don't, I do think um, you know, then get rid of them because I do think that um if you have the wrong container, it makes the system hard to to maintain.
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:49.920
Yeah, uh yes, I'm definitely a believer in that for my for my particular brain.
00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:56.880
I need, I need the not, I can't, I can't deal with that because it's not gonna, I'm not gonna put things away in that container because it's not the right.
00:35:57.199 --> 00:35:58.320
I think it, I think it is.
00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:07.039
I do think it's just so critical to figure out prior to actually doing your like organizing project, like, what are you wanting to live in the space?
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:16.639
How much of whatever it is that you have so that you can get things that are gonna work for that space and the things that you want to put in that space.
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:18.400
Okay, yeah, I love that idea.
00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:23.920
One other thing that I like to do is um I call it a backstock bin.
00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:34.800
So let's say like you're a Costco person or Sans Club or whatever you like to buy in bulk, which I'm not a fan of bulk buying unless you have the space to store the bulk buy.
00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:45.039
So like I realize that like sometimes it's less expensive, but if it's taking up valuable space in your home that you could be using for something else, like just consider that.
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:49.440
Um I like to have like a backstock bin.
00:36:49.679 --> 00:37:03.199
So let's say that you have um in your pantry, like you um it, you know, I I think about it probably mostly like with like kids' snacks and things, like, you know, you're gonna buy these huge boxes.
00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:07.760
One is take them out of those gigantic boxes because they take up so much room.
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:21.679
And like when you actually take the contents out and put them in a container, you can see what you have because if you think you have goldfish that you're gonna be able to put in your kids' lunch, and then you look in the box and you're like, well, no one threw the box away.
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:24.320
And this gigantic box is in here, and there's there's two packs, right?
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:29.440
You know, like that's one of my reasons that I like to take things out of the big boxes.
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But my point of the backstock is you put a few things out that are easy to reach, and then you use the backstock to like refill, you know.
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My husband likes to say that it looks like we live in a sheets gas station or pantry because I just have like, you know, all the little snacks in the containers.
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But like I do buy some things at Costco, and then I have my backstock, and then I always check that space before I go shopping to say, like, do I actually need more Nutrigrain bars or do we have some here?
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Yeah.
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That's a great tip.
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You know, you probably don't have room for like 30 or you know, 50 Nutrigrain bars in your, you know, unless that's the only snack you're eating, you know, or whatever.
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Yeah.
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One of the things that I had found works for me is I do go to Costco or buy in bulk sometimes, but it's helpful to me if I have a one backup, not the bulk, but one backup of all the things I use regularly regularly.
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My toothpaste, my deodorant, my hair shampoo, whatever.
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Because then if I get to the point that I run out, I know I've got I've got one more because today might not be the day that I have time to go get some toothpaste.
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Yeah, that's a great assumption.
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And then I just put it on the list, you know, to put to replace that extra one that I have, but I don't have to store like four.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, that's you know that's a great tip.
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Yeah, that that's just been working for me.
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But it was a shift from when I used to, you know, buy more of particularly like my personal care items.
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I just don't have, I don't want to deal with all that.
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I know you start to realize you're like, wait a minute, why, you know, and then you're like, maybe you bought the four pack of deodorant, and then now you're like, I don't really like that deodorant, you know.
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And so now you got another two that you're just like, well, what am I supposed to do with this?
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Right.
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I can buy in bulk for things like paper towels or toilet, you know, things like that.
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That makes more sense for me.
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But for my personal care items, I don't need that volume.
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And I, you know, just recognizing, okay, you don't need that volume.
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Just get one.
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Totally agree.
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So that was helpful for me.
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Okay, so this is the point when I usually say to my guests, is there anything that you want to share that we might have missed?
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Like, have we missed anything that you can think of that you want to share?
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And it's fine if you if we haven't, but I guess I would just think like, I mean, just to go along the lines of creating harmony, is that organization is a tool, you know, that's gonna help you create a calmer life.
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It's you know, I think that it's like it's just think about like how much smoother your Monday morning goes if you wake up and you know where things are or you've planned the night before or what, you know, it's just it just makes your whole day, week, and you know, just life just go a lot more smoothly.
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I love that.
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And I love that you said I want to highlight that earlier you said, you know, organization is not perfection.
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Like it's oh no question.
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Yes, yeah, yeah, I love that.
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And it's just a different way of thinking of how to use your resources.
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I mean, it is a little bit of an investment to get an organization guide to come in and help you, but at the same time, you're using your space more effectively, you're using the products that are in your space more effectively.
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So it's just a different or you're realizing that you're still buying Clorox wipes and you have 20 and you didn't even need them.
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No, like it is.
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I mean, it but I I totally agree that it's like for some for some folks that that might not be the right time in life, but there's certainly resources out there that you can try to do things on your own too.
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So um, but I do think I I'm very passionate about it, and I do think that um it's can be a super helpful tool.
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Yeah, it's awesome.
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Well, it was very, very helpful for me.
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And I have some other projects sort of in my mind that I'm not ready to get to, but I was like, I understand.
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I might need to get Ashley involved here just because oh, this is overwhelming.
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But yeah, yeah.
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I love it.
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It's so great.
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Well, thank you so much for taking time and sharing with us.
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I really enjoyed it, Sally.
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I hope that um the tips will um be beneficial for some of your listeners.
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That's a great, that's a great way to get back into the back to school rhythm.
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Oh, no question about it.
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It's time.
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That's right.
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Yeah, thank you.
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All right.
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Now, before we go, I want to tell you about something new that we've been creating as a Create Harmony team.
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So this fall, we're launching something that we're calling Peaceful, and it's our first peace-through practice series designed around this simple idea.
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What if we collected up a group and practiced peace together?
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So this will be a small group that will gather throughout the fall to slow down, to connect, and more importantly, to try something new.
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This is sort of an expansion of our hobby discussion.
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Instead of just talking about hobbies, we're going to try some of them.
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Skipping.
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So it's not really about the activities, it's about creating room in our lives for the spirit of curiosity, for the spirit of play.
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This can be a form of rest.
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It's going to take a little bit of courage, creativity, and it will create connection.
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And so we're going to notice how those things can become an extension of our peace.
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So you do not have to be good at any of that.
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That's not required.
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None of us are going to be good at it.
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We're all going to be learning together.
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You only need to come curious.
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Peacefall will take place in Raleigh, and it will be our pilot program.
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So if you're craving a deeper connection with others and you are open to trying some new things, this might be exactly what you need.
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You can learn more and you can save your spot at mycreateharmony.com.
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And you just definitely want to check it out.
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Once the slots are filled, they're filled, and you want to be part of this brand new program.
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Don't miss it.
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Now, until next time, I want you to remember peace is not just something we hope for, it's something that we practice.
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Peace is a practice, and we practice it one ordinary moment at a time.
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And until next time, peace.