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Welcome back listeners, and welcome back Josh
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Hey, Jesse.
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It's good to be back.
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it's been a while
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It's been a while.
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Yeah.
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Yeah,
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I don't know what this timing is gonna be for listeners, right?
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But it's probably been our first real long break, right?
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Yeah
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no gaps in the beginning even though we had recording gaps, but now we actually have an official
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Yeah.
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the last episode and now.
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Yeah, it's been a few months.
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Been a few months.
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Yeah
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So we got a lot to talk about.
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so figured we'd kick off with a water cooler talk because first off we're trying to switch programming, recording programs'cause we were on Riverside, but I don't know, Riverside seems to be shifting a lot.
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Caused some pain.
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to experiment,
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Yeah.
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We were happy with Riverside in the beginning.
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This is not like a just, gonna be a hit piece on Riverside.
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So I got a little side story for you, something interesting that did happen to me.
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We'll see if it's interesting
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we were talking about, starting to record soon, and so I was looking up stories, as I do some research.
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I'm on the Boston News, Boston website looking for maybe new startups or some cool AI story we can talk about or something like that.
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And of course, what do I come across but, a article about my hometown's high school.
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Ooh.
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Now, granted, on Boston News, I don't...
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This, my high school doesn't live anywhere near Boston.
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I, it's, even more interesting.
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and it turns out, they've gotten famous for trying to roast people for not coming to our, our class reunion coming up.
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I feel like that's somebody who works for the, the Boston news site was getting hazed by their former classmates, and they're like,"You know what?
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I have the power of the pen.
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I can
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I don't think that's what happened, but maybe that is what happened.
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I don't know, like someone from my graduating class was all mad, so it's maybe we do a little hit piece and then it backfires'cause now everyone's lighting up the page.
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y- do you have a reunion coming up?
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yeah, next year.
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Oh,
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know.
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maybe this is the hit piece.
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Yeah.
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I RSVP'd maybe, so you know, they probably will be coming after me soon,
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gotcha.
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Gotcha
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I thought it was hilarious that, And now, I'm not gonna say any names'cause I don't wanna, actually cause a hit piece, but, it might, if anybody interested might be able to find it.
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And what I find even more hilarious is, we've been doing this podcast for maybe a year and a half now.
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we don't advertise too much, but, we put out that LinkedIn post here and there, try to generate some of...
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And we get a good average 50 views per video.
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But I was excited about it.
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I didn't think we'd get more than five, like me, you, and maybe our moms.
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you go to the Facebook page of my high school reunion, it's like 2,000, 3,000 views.
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They're really showing us up
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they have a built-in, audience,
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yeah.
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they don't even need to advertise.
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Yeah
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where roughly did you go to high school?
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Oh, no, I'm not gonna say that.
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It, was it a big high school?
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What is your definition of a big high school?
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Our graduating class I think was 200
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Mine was less than that.
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It was like 170, but it's kinda the same ballpark.
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Yeah.
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Yeah
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I know schools that their graduating class is 1,000 people, right?
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Wow
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when you get into colleges and stuff like that,
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I know people graduating classes of 30.
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I thought that 200, 300 was like a big, bigger one, but 1,000, oh my
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Yeah.
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I, now I wanna go look for sources.
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But it's it is amazing how tech really connects you.
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and then even more so taking it a step further.
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So my classmates are basically roasting people who do say yes and don't say yes, and I've started to follow it, and I find it really interesting.
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I actually find it really amazing seeing what everyone's doing.
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One of my classmates wrote a book, and it's on Amazon and you can buy it, and I'm gonna plug it.
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"The Creatures of COVID." we'll put it in the description of this, podcast episode to help
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haven't
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No, I haven't, but it sounds really interesting.
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and it's really cool that, he did something like that.
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I would've never thought...
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I wouldn't think it's possible for someone to do a podcast, and I didn't think it would be s- for someone to write a book.
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And then one of my other classmates lives in Japan, it's so crazy to think, like, all of us going off and doing things and then before tech, you would've never been able to even see all this stuff.
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And so now that, we are still connected, we...
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I guess we're part of the generate- the tech generation where we had a Facebook, and Facebook somehow stayed alive from high school'til now.
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Who would've thought that...
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'Cause before that it was MySpace, and everybody had a MySpace account.
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Instant Messenger?
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And then, but Facebook, it's n- now everybody from your grandma down to, I don't know, do kids in high school these days have a Facebook page?
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I don't know if they do, actually.
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Yeah,
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a-
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I don't think any new high schooler has a Facebook.
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You don't think so?
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I'm sure they probably
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is that an old person thing now?
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It's"Oh, you use Facebook?
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What are you, my dad?"
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The like I'm on like a town committee and there's somebody who's"All the people on Facebook are getting mad about this," and everybody's"It's just the old people.
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It's just the 65 plus retired people." I don't know, I think Facebook has definitely shifted older,
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Yeah.
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things like Instagram,
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Yeah
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are like where the sort of younger people hang
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Yeah.
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or
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Yeah, the old,"Oh, what are you, 35 years old?
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Do you have a Facebook page?
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I don't know if there's the stigma in other places,
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Yeah
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I certainly got off of Facebook, I don't know, a decade ago, right?
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You got off of it, but you probably still have an account floating around on there.
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have an account floating
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You're not tell--
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I probably log in about once a year.
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And
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Yeah
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I still get notifications on my email.
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Yeah.
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Like this person said something, and I'm like,"Ooh, okay."
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now I'm logging in almost every day so I can see one of my classmates get roasted, before the reunion comes up.
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I will say the ability for tech to connect people.
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I had a neighbor in first grade, and we used to hang out all the time, and then
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Yeah.
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And I remember, maybe it was when I was going off to college, I looked them up on Facebook, and I saw they had an account,
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Yeah
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we talked for a bit, and I was like,"That never would've happened If Facebook didn't exist."
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Yeah.
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It's amazing.
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It really is the ability to be able to stay connected with people you would've, you don't talk to anymore,
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Yeah, it's funny.
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I go back and forth though because, I don't feel like that kind of relationship is necessarily...
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it's fun.
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Yeah
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Popcorn TV, right?
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you're enjoying it at the moment, but
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Yeah.
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And it has sometimes a story you can remember.
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Yeah.
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story I'm telling you right now Is something I remember."
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Yeah
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I don't think I've had, a meaningful connection through Facebook,
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No, but it's to your point though, it's like, it's really for a couple different reasons.
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One, like maybe sometimes it's okay to enjoy trash TV, Josh.
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Yeah.
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And maybe sometimes it's okay to have surface level, relationships that, are just like feel-good moments that you don't necessarily need to, cultivate and nurture because, it's hard work having friends and people that are close, and sometimes you just wanna have that surface level conversation and then call it quits,
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I agree.
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There is something valuable about that.
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and there is something valuable about connection plainly, right?
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like my grandmother used to write letters to all of her friends, like, all the time,
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Yeah.
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they, they really exchanged anything super meaningful, but,
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Yeah.
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act of connection
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Yeah.
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I think was a valuable thing for her and I think probably for other people, right?
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Yeah.
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just like to
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Yeah
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have a connection,
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Yeah
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to other people regardless of how deep it is.
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Yeah, I'm not gonna knock Facebook, and I do think that it is useful for some people to have that kind of connection.
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Yeah,
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and certainly Facebook also has other ways to waste your time.
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And now people have all these other different methods like roasting their high school friends on,
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yeah
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in different groups.
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yeah.
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because of the nature of social media, that people generally put their best foot forward, right?
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They generally show you the positive updates, not necessarily the negative.
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I like, in those moments of Facebook stalking, quote unquote,
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Yeah
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it is nice seeing that other people are doing well.
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Yeah.
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I
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Yeah
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people can see that other people are doing well and they use that as"Oh, man, I'm not doing well," right?
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But I just...
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wow.
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Okay.
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No but seriously I like seeing other people doing well, and I think social media is good at that, right?
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It's good to be like,"Oh, look at everybody around us in the world is having a good
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So do you stay connected with your high school?
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Where, you live near your high school, right?
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Oh,
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Yeah.
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do you connected with all of them?
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s- I wouldn't say all of them, but I would say that I see my high school friend group, a number of times a year.
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Oh,
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I'll invite people over.
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We'll, we try to go camping a couple
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Yeah.
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a year,
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So do you think that's because you stayed in proximity or would you have, I don't know if this is too deep for our podcast or not, but
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It's, totally reasonable.
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some of it is proximity,
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Yeah
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right?
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if you're a day's drive of somebody
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Oh, a days.
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I was gonna say like a 20 minute I'm not a day drive away from my hometown, but I lost connection with all of my friends almost instantly.
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And that was because we all wanted out of our hometown.
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We left and went off to college and, never
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none of us stayed in our hometown, right?
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Not to move back to the hometown.
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It was just that one of our friends had a house in the hometown.
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Actually, it was at one town over, but enough.
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like that's within 20 minutes, like a town over is nothing.
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that house.
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but most of my friends have scattered a little bit,
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Yeah
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think we, get together.
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but it's more because, not because of people like me.
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Yeah
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I think it is because we have a couple members of our friend group that are just like glue,
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Oh yeah, that's called something, right?
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It's like a sentinel or...
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Like the person that brings people together,
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Yeah.
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Like I will stay in touch with a couple people, right?
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I might say,"Hey, you wanna come over and we'll do a fire out back?" you wanna meet for some event in Boston,
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Yeah
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but then other people are doing this like constant legwork, right?
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So I'm friends with person A, and person A is making all these contacts to
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Yeah.
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all these different people, and so they bring people together and then because of that, I'm benefiting
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Yeah.
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seeing these group of people,
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Yeah.
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I think if you don't have people like that, then it's really easy to fall out of touch,
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Yeah, that's interesting
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most the friend groups that I have are people from like we either hang out with people from my work
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Yeah.
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old job
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Yeah.
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old job...
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Yeah.
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current job.
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Yeah
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the people that kind of accidentally stay in
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Yeah.
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because
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Yeah.
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Like
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accidentally stayed in your life because we started a podcast together accidentally.
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Accidentally.
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It was accidental, honestly.
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Yeah.
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You didn't think I was serious, so then I rang you up the next day like,"Okay, so we're doing this, right?"
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I think it requires some of that, right?
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That silliness to
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Yeah.
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through.
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Silly enough, I like it
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because it is really easy to just like,
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Yeah
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To keep yourself entertained through and through
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we have more content pushed to us than like any other historical anybody has ever had, and yet I feel so bored.
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Like I have millions of hours of content between YouTube, Netflix, all of these things, and like I literally sit on my couch scrolling for 20 minutes like,"Okay, what are we watching?" It's like it feels like you have nothing.
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Yeah.
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I think it's that paradox of choice If you have 400 options, you are doing this like tiny math in your head where you're weighing, you're saying,"Okay, if I'm gonna commit 16 hours to this next show,
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Yeah.
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what show is
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hours.
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I don't know.
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I was just gonna say 30 minutes.
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You're watching the extended version of"Lord of the Rings" over here, like
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No but, sometimes, like, when you look at the list of shows you're kinda trying to figure out what do I actually wanna watch And
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Versus back in the old days, they literally had three channels to choose from.
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And most of them two of them were just reruns.
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Yeah.
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and even back then, let's say you had limited choice on TV, you may have had t- 12 options, then you had your Betamax or, VHS things for when you wanted to re-watch a movie that you've
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Yeah.
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You had one videotape that you just watched all the time because it was like the only VCR you had.
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Yeah.
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Yeah
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But before that they had things like books, right?
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Which even, 100 years ago in like the 1920s, there was still basically, more books than you could ever want to read.
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Yeah
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I think if you wanted to get really back to a point where people were totally bored and had nothing to do, they were probably peasants in the Middle Ages, right?
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All right.
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Josh, we're getting up to our 20-minute mark here.
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Look at that.
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We still are able to ramble on for 20 minutes with a ram- with no topic.
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three times that amount
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All right.
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So give us a little sneak peek of what's to come.
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you had some ideas
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Oh, I have a lot of ideas.
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yeah, I just think that really as tech goes on, we're seeing-- I think there's a lot of changes in the world of AI, right?
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We talked Months
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Yep
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if the costs of AI are actually gonna manifest,
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Yeah.
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right?
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not only that, but there's, there's so many things I could, I need to catch you up on all the AI stuff I've been using.
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Yeah
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I, feel like that could fill a whole episode
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Yeah.
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We could probably talk about AI for the next season
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Just a AI season.
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Yeah.
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Sorry, all new listeners.
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No, intermingled with that we'll also have chats about our high school
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And TV, oh TV shows.
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fair.
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yeah.
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The other thing, I do think there's some company values, things like that work, will benefit you regardless of the technology, I took a couple weeks off'cause I had a second child.
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That's why we had a big gap here.
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Yeah.
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And I gotta say, gotta take breaks.
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Some people, they work straight two or three years
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Yeah
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they don't take vacations, and it's bad for them and it's bad for the company.
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Yeah.
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We had an episode on burnout, but I feel like we could have so many more episodes just on burnout
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don't think taking a break is necessarily about burnout.
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I
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about avoiding burnout, right?
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I don't
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take the break before burning out
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I am not thinking of breaks as a method of delaying burnout.
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Yeah
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but certainly that can be a
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So what are you thinking about it as just a way to
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Oh
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a break?
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start the episode here, Jesse?
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No.
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You're right.
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Sneak peek, sorry.
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All right.
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Stay tuned, folks.
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I-- we gotta change our website, we gotta change our podcast description'cause I definitely feel like we are less tech, but I think we're fitting in.
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Yeah.
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So s-
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we could always change our, name
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No, I love the name.
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It's, it forces us to containerize our conversations
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True
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It's that whether it's tech or not, it still applies.
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We need to cut it down, man.
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we don't want unlimited conversations in the spinoff.
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It does spin off, yeah.
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Ooh.
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Cat's out of the bag.
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I'll just give this a greater instance type.
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All right.
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Thank you for listening and, we'll catch you soon
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I'll talk to you soon, Jesse.
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See ya
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Welcome back listeners, and welcome back Josh
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Hey, Jesse.
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It's good to be back.
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it's been a while
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It's been a while.
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Yeah.
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Yeah,
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I don't know what this timing is gonna be for listeners, right?
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But it's probably been our first real long break, right?
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Yeah
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no gaps in the beginning even though we had recording gaps, but now we actually have an official
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Yeah.
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the last episode and now.
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Yeah, it's been a few months.
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Been a few months.
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Yeah
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So we got a lot to talk about.
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so figured we'd kick off with a water cooler talk because first off we're trying to switch programming, recording programs'cause we were on Riverside, but I don't know, Riverside seems to be shifting a lot.
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Caused some pain.
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to experiment,
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Yeah.
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We were happy with Riverside in the beginning.
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This is not like a just, gonna be a hit piece on Riverside.
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So I got a little side story for you, something interesting that did happen to me.
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We'll see if it's interesting
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we were talking about, starting to record soon, and so I was looking up stories, as I do some research.
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I'm on the Boston News, Boston website looking for maybe new startups or some cool AI story we can talk about or something like that.
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And of course, what do I come across but, a article about my hometown's high school.
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Ooh.
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Now, granted, on Boston News, I don't...
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This, my high school doesn't live anywhere near Boston.
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I, it's, even more interesting.
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and it turns out, they've gotten famous for trying to roast people for not coming to our, our class reunion coming up.
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I feel like that's somebody who works for the, the Boston news site was getting hazed by their former classmates, and they're like,"You know what?
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I have the power of the pen.
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I can
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I don't think that's what happened, but maybe that is what happened.
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I don't know, like someone from my graduating class was all mad, so it's maybe we do a little hit piece and then it backfires'cause now everyone's lighting up the page.
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y- do you have a reunion coming up?
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yeah, next year.
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Oh,
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know.
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maybe this is the hit piece.
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Yeah.
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I RSVP'd maybe, so you know, they probably will be coming after me soon,
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gotcha.
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Gotcha
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I thought it was hilarious that, And now, I'm not gonna say any names'cause I don't wanna, actually cause a hit piece, but, it might, if anybody interested might be able to find it.
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And what I find even more hilarious is, we've been doing this podcast for maybe a year and a half now.
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we don't advertise too much, but, we put out that LinkedIn post here and there, try to generate some of...
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And we get a good average 50 views per video.
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But I was excited about it.
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I didn't think we'd get more than five, like me, you, and maybe our moms.
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you go to the Facebook page of my high school reunion, it's like 2,000, 3,000 views.
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They're really showing us up
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they have a built-in, audience,
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yeah.
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they don't even need to advertise.
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Yeah
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where roughly did you go to high school?
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Oh, no, I'm not gonna say that.
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It, was it a big high school?
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What is your definition of a big high school?
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Our graduating class I think was 200
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Mine was less than that.
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It was like 170, but it's kinda the same ballpark.
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Yeah.
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Yeah
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I know schools that their graduating class is 1,000 people, right?
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Wow
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when you get into colleges and stuff like that,
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I know people graduating classes of 30.
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I thought that 200, 300 was like a big, bigger one, but 1,000, oh my
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Yeah.
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I, now I wanna go look for sources.
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But it's it is amazing how tech really connects you.
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and then even more so taking it a step further.
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So my classmates are basically roasting people who do say yes and don't say yes, and I've started to follow it, and I find it really interesting.
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I actually find it really amazing seeing what everyone's doing.
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One of my classmates wrote a book, and it's on Amazon and you can buy it, and I'm gonna plug it.
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"The Creatures of COVID." we'll put it in the description of this, podcast episode to help
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haven't
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No, I haven't, but it sounds really interesting.
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and it's really cool that, he did something like that.
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I would've never thought...
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I wouldn't think it's possible for someone to do a podcast, and I didn't think it would be s- for someone to write a book.
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And then one of my other classmates lives in Japan, it's so crazy to think, like, all of us going off and doing things and then before tech, you would've never been able to even see all this stuff.
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And so now that, we are still connected, we...
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I guess we're part of the generate- the tech generation where we had a Facebook, and Facebook somehow stayed alive from high school'til now.
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Who would've thought that...
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'Cause before that it was MySpace, and everybody had a MySpace account.
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Instant Messenger?
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And then, but Facebook, it's n- now everybody from your grandma down to, I don't know, do kids in high school these days have a Facebook page?
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I don't know if they do, actually.
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Yeah,
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a-
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I don't think any new high schooler has a Facebook.
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You don't think so?
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I'm sure they probably
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is that an old person thing now?
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It's"Oh, you use Facebook?
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What are you, my dad?"
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The like I'm on like a town committee and there's somebody who's"All the people on Facebook are getting mad about this," and everybody's"It's just the old people.
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It's just the 65 plus retired people." I don't know, I think Facebook has definitely shifted older,
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Yeah.
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things like Instagram,
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Yeah
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are like where the sort of younger people hang
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Yeah.
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or
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Yeah, the old,"Oh, what are you, 35 years old?
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Do you have a Facebook page?
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I don't know if there's the stigma in other places,
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Yeah
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I certainly got off of Facebook, I don't know, a decade ago, right?
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You got off of it, but you probably still have an account floating around on there.
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have an account floating
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You're not tell--
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I probably log in about once a year.
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And
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Yeah
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I still get notifications on my email.
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Yeah.
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Like this person said something, and I'm like,"Ooh, okay."
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now I'm logging in almost every day so I can see one of my classmates get roasted, before the reunion comes up.
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I will say the ability for tech to connect people.
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I had a neighbor in first grade, and we used to hang out all the time, and then
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Yeah.
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And I remember, maybe it was when I was going off to college, I looked them up on Facebook, and I saw they had an account,
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Yeah
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we talked for a bit, and I was like,"That never would've happened If Facebook didn't exist."
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Yeah.
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It's amazing.
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It really is the ability to be able to stay connected with people you would've, you don't talk to anymore,
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Yeah, it's funny.
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I go back and forth though because, I don't feel like that kind of relationship is necessarily...
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it's fun.
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Yeah
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Popcorn TV, right?
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you're enjoying it at the moment, but
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Yeah.
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And it has sometimes a story you can remember.
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Yeah.
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story I'm telling you right now Is something I remember."
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Yeah
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I don't think I've had, a meaningful connection through Facebook,
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No, but it's to your point though, it's like, it's really for a couple different reasons.
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One, like maybe sometimes it's okay to enjoy trash TV, Josh.
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Yeah.
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And maybe sometimes it's okay to have surface level, relationships that, are just like feel-good moments that you don't necessarily need to, cultivate and nurture because, it's hard work having friends and people that are close, and sometimes you just wanna have that surface level conversation and then call it quits,
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I agree.
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There is something valuable about that.
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and there is something valuable about connection plainly, right?
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like my grandmother used to write letters to all of her friends, like, all the time,
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Yeah.
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they, they really exchanged anything super meaningful, but,
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Yeah.
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act of connection
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Yeah.
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I think was a valuable thing for her and I think probably for other people, right?
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Yeah.
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just like to
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Yeah
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have a connection,
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Yeah
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to other people regardless of how deep it is.
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Yeah, I'm not gonna knock Facebook, and I do think that it is useful for some people to have that kind of connection.
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Yeah,
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and certainly Facebook also has other ways to waste your time.
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And now people have all these other different methods like roasting their high school friends on,
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yeah
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in different groups.
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yeah.
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because of the nature of social media, that people generally put their best foot forward, right?
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They generally show you the positive updates, not necessarily the negative.
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I like, in those moments of Facebook stalking, quote unquote,
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Yeah
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it is nice seeing that other people are doing well.
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Yeah.
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I
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Yeah
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people can see that other people are doing well and they use that as"Oh, man, I'm not doing well," right?
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But I just...
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wow.
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Okay.
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No but seriously I like seeing other people doing well, and I think social media is good at that, right?
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It's good to be like,"Oh, look at everybody around us in the world is having a good
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So do you stay connected with your high school?
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Where, you live near your high school, right?
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Oh,
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Yeah.
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do you connected with all of them?
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s- I wouldn't say all of them, but I would say that I see my high school friend group, a number of times a year.
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Oh,
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I'll invite people over.
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We'll, we try to go camping a couple
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Yeah.
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a year,
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So do you think that's because you stayed in proximity or would you have, I don't know if this is too deep for our podcast or not, but
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It's, totally reasonable.
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some of it is proximity,
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Yeah
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right?
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if you're a day's drive of somebody
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Oh, a days.
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I was gonna say like a 20 minute I'm not a day drive away from my hometown, but I lost connection with all of my friends almost instantly.
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And that was because we all wanted out of our hometown.
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We left and went off to college and, never
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none of us stayed in our hometown, right?
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Not to move back to the hometown.
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It was just that one of our friends had a house in the hometown.
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Actually, it was at one town over, but enough.
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like that's within 20 minutes, like a town over is nothing.
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that house.
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but most of my friends have scattered a little bit,
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Yeah
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think we, get together.
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but it's more because, not because of people like me.
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Yeah
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I think it is because we have a couple members of our friend group that are just like glue,
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Oh yeah, that's called something, right?
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It's like a sentinel or...
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Like the person that brings people together,
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Yeah.
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Like I will stay in touch with a couple people, right?
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I might say,"Hey, you wanna come over and we'll do a fire out back?" you wanna meet for some event in Boston,
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Yeah
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but then other people are doing this like constant legwork, right?
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So I'm friends with person A, and person A is making all these contacts to
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Yeah.
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all these different people, and so they bring people together and then because of that, I'm benefiting
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Yeah.
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seeing these group of people,
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Yeah.
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I think if you don't have people like that, then it's really easy to fall out of touch,
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Yeah, that's interesting
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most the friend groups that I have are people from like we either hang out with people from my work
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Yeah.
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old job
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Yeah.
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old job...
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Yeah.
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current job.
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Yeah
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the people that kind of accidentally stay in
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Yeah.
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because
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Yeah.
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Like
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accidentally stayed in your life because we started a podcast together accidentally.
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Accidentally.
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It was accidental, honestly.
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Yeah.
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You didn't think I was serious, so then I rang you up the next day like,"Okay, so we're doing this, right?"
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I think it requires some of that, right?
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That silliness to
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Yeah.
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through.
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Silly enough, I like it
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because it is really easy to just like,
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Yeah
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To keep yourself entertained through and through
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we have more content pushed to us than like any other historical anybody has ever had, and yet I feel so bored.
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Like I have millions of hours of content between YouTube, Netflix, all of these things, and like I literally sit on my couch scrolling for 20 minutes like,"Okay, what are we watching?" It's like it feels like you have nothing.
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Yeah.
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I think it's that paradox of choice If you have 400 options, you are doing this like tiny math in your head where you're weighing, you're saying,"Okay, if I'm gonna commit 16 hours to this next show,
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Yeah.
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what show is
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hours.
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I don't know.
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I was just gonna say 30 minutes.
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You're watching the extended version of"Lord of the Rings" over here, like
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No but, sometimes, like, when you look at the list of shows you're kinda trying to figure out what do I actually wanna watch And
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Versus back in the old days, they literally had three channels to choose from.
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And most of them two of them were just reruns.
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Yeah.
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and even back then, let's say you had limited choice on TV, you may have had t- 12 options, then you had your Betamax or, VHS things for when you wanted to re-watch a movie that you've
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Yeah.
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You had one videotape that you just watched all the time because it was like the only VCR you had.
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Yeah.
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Yeah
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But before that they had things like books, right?
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Which even, 100 years ago in like the 1920s, there was still basically, more books than you could ever want to read.
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Yeah
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I think if you wanted to get really back to a point where people were totally bored and had nothing to do, they were probably peasants in the Middle Ages, right?
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All right.
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Josh, we're getting up to our 20-minute mark here.
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Look at that.
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We still are able to ramble on for 20 minutes with a ram- with no topic.
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three times that amount
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All right.
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So give us a little sneak peek of what's to come.
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you had some ideas
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Oh, I have a lot of ideas.
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yeah, I just think that really as tech goes on, we're seeing-- I think there's a lot of changes in the world of AI, right?
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We talked Months
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Yep
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if the costs of AI are actually gonna manifest,
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Yeah.
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right?
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not only that, but there's, there's so many things I could, I need to catch you up on all the AI stuff I've been using.
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Yeah
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I, feel like that could fill a whole episode
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Yeah.
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We could probably talk about AI for the next season
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Just a AI season.
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Yeah.
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Sorry, all new listeners.
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No, intermingled with that we'll also have chats about our high school
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And TV, oh TV shows.
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fair.
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yeah.
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The other thing, I do think there's some company values, things like that work, will benefit you regardless of the technology, I took a couple weeks off'cause I had a second child.
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That's why we had a big gap here.
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Yeah.
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And I gotta say, gotta take breaks.
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Some people, they work straight two or three years
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Yeah
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they don't take vacations, and it's bad for them and it's bad for the company.
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Yeah.
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We had an episode on burnout, but I feel like we could have so many more episodes just on burnout
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don't think taking a break is necessarily about burnout.
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I
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about avoiding burnout, right?
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I don't
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take the break before burning out
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I am not thinking of breaks as a method of delaying burnout.
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Yeah
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but certainly that can be a
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So what are you thinking about it as just a way to
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Oh
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a break?
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start the episode here, Jesse?
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No.
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You're right.
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Sneak peek, sorry.
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All right.
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Stay tuned, folks.
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I-- we gotta change our website, we gotta change our podcast description'cause I definitely feel like we are less tech, but I think we're fitting in.
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Yeah.
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So s-
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we could always change our, name
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No, I love the name.
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It's, it forces us to containerize our conversations
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True
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It's that whether it's tech or not, it still applies.
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We need to cut it down, man.
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we don't want unlimited conversations in the spinoff.
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It does spin off, yeah.
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Ooh.
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Cat's out of the bag.
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I'll just give this a greater instance type.
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All right.
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Thank you for listening and, we'll catch you soon
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I'll talk to you soon, Jesse.
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See ya
