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Last week I did something different on the podcast.
I talked about stakeholder vs. shareholder capitalism... and a lot of you reached out saying "this finally explains everything I've been experiencing."
So this week I'm building on that.
Because understanding the economic system is one thing. But understanding the management philosophy that flows from it? That's where it gets real.
This week's episode: Classical vs. Progressive Management with Bob Emiliani
Bob is the author of 28 books on progressive management and has been researching this for over 30 years. And he breaks down why leaders say they want collaborative, people-centered cultures... then turn around and manage with command-and-control.
Spoiler: It's not because they're lying. It's because of the management philosophy baked into the system.
Here's what you'll learn:
- What classical vs. progressive management actually means
- Why your transformation work keeps failing (and it's not your influence skills)
- What consultants and coaches are really up against when trying to influence leaders
- How to work more strategically instead of blaming yourself
My big takeaway
We worry too much about our influence skills and beat ourselves up when change fails. But when everything is operating the way it's designed—classical management, shareholder capitalism—making the shift toward what we know in our hearts is better is bigger than any one of us can change alone.
We need to partner together.
That's why I'm launching the Common Good Consulting & Coaching Consortium—and Bob has agreed to be an advisor.
Want to join the Consortium? Get on the interest list for our founding call: betsyjordyn.com/common-good
Next Steps-
Explore Bob Emiliani’s books: The Triumph of Classical Management, A Change in Perspective, The Aesthetic Compass at BobEmiliani.com
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If this episode surfaced frustration you’ve felt for years… If you’ve hit the “why won’t they change?” wall… If you believe people-centered leadership matters but feel like the system is bigger than your discipline… Join the interest list for the Common Good Consulting & Coaching Consortium.
00:00 The Paradox of Leadership Styles
02:45 Understanding Classical vs. Progressive Management
05:55 The Lean Management Dilemma
08:56 The Spectrum of Management Styles
11:56 The Role of Preconceptions in Leadership
14:51 Challenges in Influencing Leadership
17:53 The Importance of Human-Centered Leadership
20:55 Navigating Organizational Change
23:50 The Need for System-Level Changes
27:08 Finding Common Ground in Leadership
30:12 The Future of People-Centered Organizations
Other episodes you may enjoy:
- What Every Consultant & Coach Must Know About Stakeholder vs. Shareholder Capitalism (Ep149)
- Stop Calling Yourself "Consultant" or "Coach": Why You Need a Unique Title (Ep148)
- 3 Types of Consulting /Coaching Expertise: Which one is yours? (Ep147)
- 5 Truths About Branding, I Only Saw After Tearing My Process Apart (Ep146)
- Inside My Brand Messaging Process (and Why It Always Works) (Ep140)
About the guest: Bob Emiliani is a Professor Emeritus, leadership researcher, and founder of Cubic, LLC, a company dedicated to leadership development and management improvement. With more than 25 years of experience advancing leadership practices across industries, Bob is known for translating complex organizational challenges into practical, actionable strategies. Drawing from hands-on experience in engineering, manufacturing, and supply chain management, along with 23 years as an educator, Bob brings both academic depth and real-world insight to his work. Through his books, online courses, and on-demand videos, he equips professionals with clear frameworks and methods designed to strengthen leadership capability and improve organizational performance. He is especially recognized for his work on “Speed Leadership,” a concept focused on accelerating learning, decision-making, and meaningful organizational change.
About the host: Betsy Jordyn is a business mentor, brand messaging strategist, and former Disney consultant who helps purpose-driven consultants and coaches build profitable businesses rooted in their unique strengths. With over 20 years in the industry and a knack for turning big ideas into clear positioning, she's your go-to for strategy that aligns with your calling. Work with me: https://www.betsyjordyn.com/services
