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sad or anxious now?
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All right.
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Hey, everyone.
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My name is Lars Ulrich. And I feel psyched about
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being Conan O'Brien's friend.
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You know what? I'll take it.
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Fall is here.
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Hear the elk.
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Okay, so I shouldn't think, right?
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Would you start talking?
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Yeah.
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You guys get mad when I think.
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No, no, I didn't do that.
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Try to make it good.
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I was inhaling.
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Okay.
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I wasn't snoring.
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Like, I was bored with thinking.
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Here we go.
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I think that's good.
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Corn cob.
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Why do you say corn cob so much?
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Cheddar cheese. Let's go. Lumbar support. Nothing means anything.
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This is all going in.
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None of it's going in. Three, two. Hey there. Welcome
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to Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend, a podcast that gives
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and gives and never stops. Gives and gives what?
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I don't know.
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Okay. And it does stop.
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Plasma.
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Yeah, it stops. There's like a runtime and then it stops.
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You're right.
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Okay.
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Terrible. Terrible. I'm starting again. I want a better intro.
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This will all stay in though.
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Yeah. I want it out. I command it.
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Okay, we'll listen to you.
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Three, two.
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You got it. Hey there. Welcome to Conan O'Brien Needs
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a Friend.
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Yeah, we know we already heard this.
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No, you didn't. You cut out the other stuff. So
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this is a fresh start to a podcast, professional opening,
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and you edited as I asked you to. Sona, how
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are you? I'm all right. I'm not bad. Okay. Great.
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Great.
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It's so awkward when you answer that, when you ask that,
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because also we've been sitting.
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In this room for a long time.
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Ask me how I'm doing.
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How are you doing?
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I'm doing great, thanks. Not awkward at all. Gorley, how
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are you? Well, I don't understand. Maybe it's because for
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28 years, I would say, good evening, ladies and gentlemen,
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welcome to the show. I'd say things that were kind
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of phony like that. I know. I'm used to it.
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I'm not.
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We'll take a quick break. We'll be right back with
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more fun. I used to do that. I used to
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say things like that every night. No one says things
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like that. It's a very weird job.
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Well, because you were throwing to commercial and you were
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coming back from commercial.
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Oh, thanks for reminding me.
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So you had to say those things.
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Okay.
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But there's also, yeah, like we've been in this room
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together for a while talking. So when you're like, how
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are you doing? It's like, well, we covered that like
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two hours ago.
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We have chatter when we first come in the room
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and we talk to each other as human beings and
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then we start the show. Yeah.
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No, you come in and berate us. You don't even
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say hi. And then we do this.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Also, God forbid we laugh before when it's not recorded.
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Then you and Adam both are just like, you know, stop.
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Start recording.
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Because a wasted laugh, I think the greatest crime in
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the universe. It tops the murder of an angel. When
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there's a good hearty laugh and it's not recorded, it's
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like if a tree falls in the forest and no
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one sees it, did it fall? I think if a
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laugh happens off mic... It's nothing. It's not even a laugh.
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But what about a shared chuckle among friends?
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That's even a Richard.
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What about when you're at dinner with your friends and
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you guys are chuckling?
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I mic everything.
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Oh, you mic it. That's the funny part.
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Oh, hardy, hard, hard.
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You're like, hey, guys, let me get the equipment. You
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have a duffel bag?
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You'd like to see me get my equipment. I don't
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tell you that much right now. No, if I'm going
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to have, whenever I'm having dinner with like a Marty
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Short or a Bill Hader or any of these really
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funny people or John Mulaney, I say to Eduardo, I'm
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going to dinner with some funny people. Bring your stuff.
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And Eduardo mics it.
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Eduardo, you get to go?
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It's been fun.
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Come on, man.
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He doesn't get to eat.
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Oh, yeah.
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Where is he sitting?
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He's under the table working the equipment.
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Yeah.
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You don't even throw him some scraps or anything?
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I tried that once, but it turns out he has
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a nut allergy.
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Oh, no.
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Yeah, I didn't know. I just shoved some peanuts down there,
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and then I heard someone's lungs give out.
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Wait, why isn't he under the table while we record here? Eduardo,
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get under the table.
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There are certain, yeah, there are certain union rules that
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we must follow. But when I'm out to dinner, I
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can get away with moida. So, you know, I do
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feel that way. I do feel that before, if there's
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a lot of laughing and joking around and the laughs
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are just bouncing around the room and they're not being recorded.
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It's like sacred blood of the gods seeping into the soil. No,
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I want that saved.
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Now, is that for the posterity of humankind or is
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it because you want to know that there are more
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people out there feeding off you?
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Second one. Yeah.
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Giving you somehow an energy out there in the world laughing.
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The minute you said, is it for posterity and the
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goodness of, I knew it was going to be the
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second one. I was just like, whatever the second one is,
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it's that one.
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You want people to think you're funny.
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Yes. Bingo.
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Oh my God, really?
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And I want to capture those laughs.
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Oh.
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I want to capture those laughs. That's why I think
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it's good to turn the mics on right away. And Sonia,
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you come in some days and you just start babbling
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right away.
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I do.
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And then you're laughing. I'm having a great time. You've
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only got so many laughs in you in a day
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and we've got to capture them all on the mic.
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She's the greatest laugher.
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She's a great laugher, but she's only got so many. No,
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I don't.
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I can laugh forever.
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Not true.
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Nope.
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This is medically proven.
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Oh.
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Yeah, yeah.
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How old are you now? 40. Yeah, 40-year-old woman has
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like maybe nine laughs in her a day.
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Nine?
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True story. Oh, man. Men have like six.
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So I just, like even if something's funny to me,
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I just don't laugh?
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Laughs require a lot of calcium and we lose calcium
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over time. I've studied this extensively.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Right now, you just lost three vertebrae. That was precious.
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You just lost three vertebrae.
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Oh, no.
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She's collapsing.
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I can't short her.
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Oh, no. Your left hip just shattered.
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Come on. No, don't do that.
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It's a true story. Okay.
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If you say it's true, then it's true.
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Yeah.
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All you have to do is say true story. If
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I was a lawyer, that's what I'd do. When my
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client said something, I'd just be at my.
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True story.
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Case closed.
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True story. I object, Your Honor. Yeah. The opposing counsel
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keeps yelling true story every time his client says something.
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I wish I was a lawyer.
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Do you?
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No, you don't.
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Well, because I would do all that stuff. I think
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I'd be very funny in the courtroom. I think I'd
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be very, very funny in the courtroom.
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But not effective as a lawyer.
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Oh, terrible lawyer. Oh, my clients would go to the
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electric chair left and right, and they wouldn't be up
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for capital crimes. You know, they'd be like jaywalking, electric chair.
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But I would have so much fun saying, I object,
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Your Honor, and then jumping into the witness box and
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then jumping out, doing all that stuff. I would love
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doing that.
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What do you think you would have done if you
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weren't doing comedy?
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I think I'd have been murdered a long time ago.
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Okay.
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Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. I don't know. I don't
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know what I would have been doing. I don't know.
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What would you be doing? I don't know what I've
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been doing. Even contemplating it made my mouth fall apart.
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I do not know. It's a very good question.
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I think he'd be an insufferable history teacher.
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Yes.
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Really?
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Why insufferable? No, I think he'd be a good one.
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He'd be doing good the whole time.
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No, I think he'd be a good one.
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He'd come in with his glasses upside down going, did
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you hear what happened to the Battle of Hastings?
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Yeah. Let's not get Hastings now.
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No, I think I would take your class.
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Of course you would. All the ladies would want to
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take my class.
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What?
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Then I'll be like, who's that dreamy professor? Okay.
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All right.
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I guess.
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Would you write love you on your eyelids like Indiana Jones?
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God, you are so obsessed with Harrison Ford and Indiana Jones.
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So anybody listening would not know that because we talked
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about it off mic.
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Okay.
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See?
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And why didn't you put that on mic?
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Well, anytime you work Harrison Ford into more conversations- Yeah. Yeah.
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I wish he was my history teacher.
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Yes, I know. I think I would be a great
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history teacher.
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Well, we stopped talking about you.
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Let's talk more about Harry.
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Okay, let me ask you this quickly. Well, I don't
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even know what we're talking about anymore, but I know
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that you are completely fixated on Harrison Ford. Would you
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rather have him on the podcast or someone who played
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James Bond? Because I know that like Indiana Jones versus
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James Bond. What if I said Daniel Craig's outside, but
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Harrison Ford's also outside, but only one can come in.
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I knew you were going to ask this.
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Yes.
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Double team.
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Double team. Cowboys and aliens. They were in a movie together.
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They're promoting it decades later.
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Yeah.
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Yes. Yeah.
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I think I would take, love James Bond, but you've
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got Indiana Jones and Han Solo there. Yeah.
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You would let them London bridge you.
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I mean, are you kidding?
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She's not wrong.
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Can you explain what that is for the listeners? What
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am I doing? You know, my dad occasionally listens to
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this podcast. Sona, would you explain what that meant?
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I just think people should Google it.
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No, I think you should explain.
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Well, it's also called a knife tower for people.
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God, you're learned.
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How many cities have you had weird sex in?
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So wait, so what is it?
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It's one from the back, one from the front, and
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they're high-fiving each other.
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I see.
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Yeah, you are bridging, and they are the apparatus or
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the Eiffel Tower.
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And they're high-fiving. So Harrison Ford and Daniel Craig are
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doing Matt Gourley from both ends, and they're high-fiving each other,
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and that's called an Eiffel Tower and a London Bridge?
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Because they're high-fiving.
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Yeah, okay, I know. I understand.
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This is the way it has to happen.
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This is the only way it can happen.
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Then I'm in. And by in, I mean they're in.
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They're in. They're in. All right. I'm glad we established that.
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I didn't know where we were going with today's conversation,
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but I'm very satisfied with where we ended up.
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Well, which one's doing the bridge and which one's doing
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the tunnel?
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You know what I mean? Like, who am I facing?
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Harrison Ford.
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Yeah.
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And then Daniel Craig's back there.
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Yeah.
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And then they're high-fiving. I just want to make sure
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that visual... I have.
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To say, Sona and Hugh had an... All those years
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you were my assistant, you had an encyclopedic knowledge of
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all these insane, crass sexual positions.
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Yeah.
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And you knew all the insane names for them. And
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they were things like, it's Superman with an eye patch.
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Yeah.
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You know, it's... The California potato chip.
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What's that?
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Stop making me explain these things. There's kids probably who
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are listening.
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You need to learn a little something.
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What's a California potato chip?
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It's when you.
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And in the morning you peel it off and you
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make them eat it.
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Oh, I know that is a dryback.
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Okay, this.
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There needs to be a censor here.
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Yeah, there is. His name is Adam Sachs.
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Adam, why are you allowing this to happen?
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He's in the corner and he's saying this isn't going.
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This is terrible.
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He's taking notes.
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You have to cut all of this off.
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I don't think, I think I need to go home now.
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Okay, can I just ask one more question? Why has
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it got to be California?
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That's a good question. I don't know the answer to that.
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Why is a Cleveland steamer from Cleveland?
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Okay, you're the filthiest person I ever met, Sona. You
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know all of this stuff.
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Why is a rusty trombone some guy named Rusty?
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Yeah, you always come in and say, oh man, you know,
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I got for the donkey punch. And I'd be like,
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what are you talking about?
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Well, you have your knowledge of the Civil War. You
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know James Bond. And I know, you know, I know
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that stuff. I know about the rusty trombone and that stuff.
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Well, you have the power to stop this at any
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time you want to read that intro.
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You're making it go.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Make it stop.
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I can't believe we had this filthy talk just before
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introducing one of rock's most vicious heavy metal drummers.
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Oh, my God.
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He's probably aghast backstage. I like to say backstage. Oh,
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my goodness. They're talking about the California potato chip. I'm horrified.
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Now I've got to get back to Metallica. I'm so shocked.
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We never talk this way in Metallica. All right, my
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guest today is the drummer and co-founder of the legendary
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heavy metal band Metallica. He's won nine Grammys. That's nine
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more than me with the band and has been inducted
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into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame more than
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I have. Now Metallica just released its 11th studio album.
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11 more than me. 72 seasons. And they're headed out
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on their M72 world tour. I am thrilled he's here today.
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Lars Ulrich, welcome. Not too long ago, I'm backstage at
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a Jack White show, and there you are, and you're
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just there as a fan, and I'm there as a fan,
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and we got to chat a little bit. It was
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just cool to see you out enjoying music.
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Wherever Jack White is playing, if I'm in the same vicinity,
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I'm always there. I love Jack, have loved him obviously
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going back to the white stripe days, I think he
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personifies that sort of edgy rock and roll that, uh,
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becoming less and less of a big, you know, thing
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these days. I mean, he, he's in the studio, he
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makes records impulsively and, and it's just oozes a lot
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of the same elements of kind of danger and, and
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impulsivity and not quite knowing, you know, one of my
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favorite things about him is that he never has a
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set list. He just makes it up as he goes along.
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And so I'm always watching and, you know, he's doing
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this song and then song and then he'll yell back
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at the other guys in the band and now we're
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going to do this. And then it's, it's. Yeah.
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They have to be on their toes. They really have
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to be on their toes. They don't know what he's
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going to do. And, um, the, a word that comes
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to mind that I. a lot of my favorite artists
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embody this word restless. And, uh, so it was just
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nice to be backstage and there was a lot of
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cool people backstage.
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It's, you know, we live up in San Francisco, obviously,
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as you know, and when we come down to LA,
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you know, it's always, Oh my God, look at these backstages.
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There's so-and-so and there's so-and-so it's always fun to run
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into other creative people down here. But, but Jack is really, uh,
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one of my maybe top five all time musicians. I,
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I love him. And, Whether he's doing his own stuff,
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whether he's doing the raconteurs, whether he's obviously back in
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the day with the White Stripes or whatever. He's just
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such a great artist, unpredictable artist. Always interesting to see
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where he goes. It's so inspiring. And on top of that,
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he's a really nice guy.
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He is a nice guy.
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Always welcomes you. We're in Nashville a couple of years ago.
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You go to his house and there's a bowling alley
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and you're hanging out and, hey, did you want to
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jam in the back in the studio? I mean, he's
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very embracive and I love that.
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Kind of energy.
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Yeah, but also, some of it sounds desperate to me.
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I'll be honest with you, Lars. Some of it, you know,
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it sounds like Jack doesn't have enough to do and Jack,
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if you're listening and he's a friend, leave Lars alone,
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you know? I think one night is fine, but then
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let's do this, let's do that. It gets sad, you know?
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I'll tell you, uh, I know what you're saying, but.
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I'm going to get a text from Jack about this.
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We can text him right now.
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How soon did he call you after you gave him
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his number?
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Well, I'll tell you what. And Jack, if you're hearing this,
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you know, I love you and nothing but love. But
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for a guy who supposedly doesn't have a phone. You know,
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he's a pretty engaged texter.
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Yes.
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You know, so I'm not really quite sure how that
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works out.
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I'm telling you, it's his wife's phone.
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Or whether, you know, it's just got a computer, you know,
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that he texts from, whatever.
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Also, he's so pro vinyl, vinyl, vinyl. He's got the,
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every time I go to his house, all he does
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is play CDs. That's all he does. And I'll go like, hey,
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can we check out that vinyl record? And he's like, no,
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I'm not going to listen to that shit. He said,
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if you want real quality CDs. And then he's like,
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more Blue Oyster Cult. Zune MP3.
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Wow.
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You know, that's enough time for Jack. This is about you, man.
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And we are thrilled that you're here. I have to say,
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The first thing I wanted to mention is I believe
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you and I are the same age, born the same year.
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63?
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I'm 77. I was born in 1963. Yeah, me too.
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So we're both the same age, and you're about to
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start this tour. You've got this new album, 72 Seasons,
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and I've been listening to this one track, Lux Eterna
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on it, which, I listen to this track, and I'm thinking,
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these guys have not lost a step.
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Well, thank you.
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But I mean, this could have been 1981. Here it
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is all these years later. You're headed out on this
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massive tour that's going to last two years. And if
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someone told me I was going out for two weeks
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on a tour right now, I would find the nearest
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chair and beat them with it.
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Run over to Jack's house.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would hide under all his CDs.
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I don't know how. How do you– I mean, at
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this point in your life, the physicality– The amount of
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determination it takes, it just blows my mind.
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The easy answer is that it doesn't get any easier whatsoever.
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And as I've been explaining this in the last week
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or two, as I've started hearing myself do interviews again
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around this new project, it takes twice the effort or
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more just to reach the same level, just to plateau.
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So it's not, you know, I'm on the Peloton an
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hour and a half a day and I'm working out
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and I'm watching what I'm eating and I'm being healthy
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and all that. to get better. It's just to stay
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the same at this age. But, you know, I take
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it seriously. All of us in our own ways take
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it seriously. All of us have different routines, our own
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unique ways of approaching it. And the main thing is
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that when we get up on that stage, we want
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to be there for the other guys in the band
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and obviously for the audience and be the best we
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can be. I do find myself often at a sort
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of crossroads in my mind where I eat the same
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shit for breakfast every day. I eat the same shit
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for lunch every day. More or less the same thing
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for dinner every day. I'm very, very routine based. And
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I really like to be in that routine. But as
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soon as I'm out of that routine, it's like, I
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need my tofu for dinner and I need my protein
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and I need this and that. And then I kind
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of sit there and go, really? You can't just go
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to a restaurant with your friends and have like what's
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on the menu. You got to be that rigid. If
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you could sit here with your 22 year old And
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I go, really? That's what you've become? So it's a
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constant battle between those two approaches. But somebody said a
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couple of weeks ago when I was explaining these new
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lifestyle choices, as we call them, he said, um, uh,
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you know, it sounds like you, you, you, it, it
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feels good to feel good. And I like that. I,
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I still occasionally drink it, but it's like, it's like
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once a month now. And I eat my protein and
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my yogurt and my egg whites and my tofu.
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You know, you're describing the rock and roll dream.
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That's right.
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This is the funny thing.
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This is where you're going to end up if you
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want to keep doing this shit.
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There are so many kids. There are so many kids
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since like, 1981, that it'd be like, I wanna be
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James Hetfield, I wanna be Lars Ulrich, you know, that's
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my dream. And to find out later on that it's, well, okay,
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you've got to, nine hours of sleep a night, hydrate,
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Avoid the sun. Check your stool every day to make
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sure there's no corn in there.
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This is the way life goes.
507
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Boys and girls. This is my favorite analogy for life
508
00:20:49.289 --> 00:20:51.970
and aging. And it's not funny, but it's very profound.
509
00:20:52.009 --> 00:20:53.930
And it's something that I think about a lot is
510
00:20:54.250 --> 00:20:57.579
that when you're born, you're dropped into a fast current.
511
00:20:58.079 --> 00:20:59.779
And so you don't even have to do anything. And
512
00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:03.450
you just start. growing taller, you start getting muscle, you start,
513
00:21:03.509 --> 00:21:07.410
you know, everything. And, and then the current starts to
514
00:21:07.569 --> 00:21:12.309
slow down in your late twenties, early thirties, and then 40.
515
00:21:12.309 --> 00:21:14.509
And then the current kind of stands still. So in
516
00:21:14.549 --> 00:21:16.279
order to make any progress, you need to kind of,
517
00:21:16.859 --> 00:21:19.940
but then the current starts moving against you so that
518
00:21:20.099 --> 00:21:23.400
in order to just stay in the same place, you
519
00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:26.759
need to start doing butterfly strokes and working hard. And
520
00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:31.019
what you're describing makes sense, which is. um, what we
521
00:21:31.039 --> 00:21:34.769
were just doing in, uh, Norway shooting, uh, this, this
522
00:21:34.940 --> 00:21:37.190
TV project, I did the same thing as you.
523
00:21:37.210 --> 00:21:37.289
Yeah.
524
00:21:37.630 --> 00:21:39.430
I was my weight and I was working out. I was,
525
00:21:39.589 --> 00:21:42.430
I was eating right and everything just so I could
526
00:21:42.470 --> 00:21:44.710
run around and be the jackass that I was 25
527
00:21:44.710 --> 00:21:47.829
years ago. Yeah. Uh, doing nothing.
528
00:21:48.210 --> 00:21:51.250
And, and you know what? Uh, I mean, as, as,
529
00:21:51.369 --> 00:21:53.009
as easy it is to make fun of and, and
530
00:21:53.049 --> 00:21:55.880
we can sit here and blah, blah, blah. But I, I,
531
00:21:56.099 --> 00:21:57.920
I like when I'm up on stage and I feel
532
00:21:57.980 --> 00:22:01.049
strong and I'm in that moment, And the four of
533
00:22:01.109 --> 00:22:04.329
us are connecting and we're connecting with an audience, whatever
534
00:22:04.369 --> 00:22:07.349
the size is, all of it's worth it. Who would
535
00:22:07.369 --> 00:22:09.990
have thought, you know, coming up on 41 years later
536
00:22:10.059 --> 00:22:15.019
that Metallica would still be functioning, would still be relevant
537
00:22:15.079 --> 00:22:17.680
enough to be, you know, sitting here with you guys.
538
00:22:17.720 --> 00:22:23.349
Thank you very much. still be, you know, going out
539
00:22:23.390 --> 00:22:24.829
there and playing, you know, a two-year tour.
540
00:22:24.869 --> 00:22:26.210
You cleared a high bar, Lars.
541
00:22:28.589 --> 00:22:31.549
Going out there and playing a two-year tour and putting
542
00:22:31.630 --> 00:22:35.630
records out that still connect with people and, you know,
543
00:22:35.730 --> 00:22:38.799
even in the wake of something like Stranger Things last summer.
544
00:22:38.819 --> 00:22:39.900
I know, that was crazy.
545
00:22:40.059 --> 00:22:42.799
Reaching more and more people. Who the fuck would have
546
00:22:42.880 --> 00:22:45.140
thought that? And who would have, again, thought, you know,
547
00:22:45.180 --> 00:22:47.000
if you take it a step further and say, you know,
548
00:22:47.410 --> 00:22:49.859
McCartney just turned 80. He's still out there.
549
00:22:49.980 --> 00:22:50.200
Yeah.
550
00:22:50.359 --> 00:22:53.359
Jacker is doing all those sexy bum wiggles better than
551
00:22:53.420 --> 00:22:55.559
he's ever done and connecting.
552
00:22:55.579 --> 00:22:57.420
But I mean- But he's doing it against his own.
553
00:22:57.700 --> 00:23:00.880
He can't stop. You know, now it's involuntary. No, but-
554
00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:02.019
You're trying.
555
00:23:01.619 --> 00:23:03.660
To- Turns out it was always that way.
556
00:23:03.740 --> 00:23:04.549
It's a spasm.
557
00:23:04.609 --> 00:23:04.849
Yeah.
558
00:23:04.869 --> 00:23:05.880
It was always that way.
559
00:23:06.049 --> 00:23:10.809
But I mean, it's certainly, it's inspiring. And I think
560
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that as long as the shoulders and the necks and
561
00:23:12.910 --> 00:23:15.349
the knees and the backs and all of it, if
562
00:23:15.390 --> 00:23:19.359
they keep functioning- On the four Metallica guys, we'll keep
563
00:23:19.380 --> 00:23:22.400
doing this hopefully for another 20 years. Egg whites and
564
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tofu included.
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Of course.
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You know, I wanted to... just to speak to the, uh,
592
00:24:46.910 --> 00:24:50.299
just the incredible endurance of your, uh, of your fan
593
00:24:50.339 --> 00:24:53.119
base and how loyal they are and how it just, it,
594
00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:55.140
it grew and grew and grew. And then they've always
595
00:24:55.160 --> 00:24:57.680
been with you and they followed you the whole way.
596
00:24:57.700 --> 00:25:00.450
I mean, your, your, the shows, the number of people
597
00:25:00.490 --> 00:25:02.450
that you play to, you played one show in Russia
598
00:25:02.470 --> 00:25:05.690
to 1.6 million people. I believe it was a free show.
599
00:25:05.730 --> 00:25:06.910
And I think that was a mistake.
600
00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:11.980
Uh, well, uh, I think, yeah, it was, I don't
601
00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:15.809
know if the money at that time was worth anything, uh, but, uh,
602
00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:18.950
it was right in the wake of the perestroika and.
603
00:25:18.869 --> 00:25:20.190
That transitional thing.
604
00:25:20.210 --> 00:25:23.089
I mean, it was, so it was negotiated between, I
605
00:25:23.690 --> 00:25:26.529
think it was a Gorbachev, maybe Yeltsin was coming into
606
00:25:26.569 --> 00:25:29.789
power at the time and it was negotiated between the
607
00:25:29.849 --> 00:25:33.630
students and the people running the uprisings and the demonstrations
608
00:25:33.849 --> 00:25:36.859
and the government in that period of transition. that part
609
00:25:36.920 --> 00:25:39.640
of what they wanted, the students wanted, was a rock
610
00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:42.509
and roll show. And so ACDC and Metallica were on
611
00:25:42.609 --> 00:25:47.269
tour in Western Europe that whole summer. And two, three
612
00:25:47.309 --> 00:25:49.769
weeks before the end of the tour, they want you
613
00:25:49.789 --> 00:25:52.630
to come to Russia and play. And at that time,
614
00:25:52.690 --> 00:25:55.470
I mean, this is just a couple of years after Reagan,
615
00:25:55.890 --> 00:25:58.750
you know, Bush senior was president and it was still,
616
00:25:59.390 --> 00:26:03.490
you know, the evil Russians and all of that stuff.
617
00:26:03.569 --> 00:26:06.109
And they're going to, you know, drop nuclear bombs on
618
00:26:06.130 --> 00:26:10.279
you next week. There was all that crazy, crazy stuff.
619
00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:13.519
Going to Russia was like, holy shit, here we are.
620
00:26:13.579 --> 00:26:15.400
Here we are in the Red Square. Here we are
621
00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:20.359
running around seeing the sites and the Kremlin. Then we
622
00:26:20.380 --> 00:26:22.529
were there for maybe three days and then played that
623
00:26:22.789 --> 00:26:27.049
insane show. We weren't really prepared for what that was
624
00:26:27.089 --> 00:26:29.779
going to be. If you go to YouTube now, It
625
00:26:29.859 --> 00:26:34.400
is among the most surreal and extraordinary footage of Metallica ever,
626
00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:37.319
because like you're saying, it is Metallica. And whether it's
627
00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:39.160
a million people, a million and a half, who knows
628
00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:41.940
what the real number is. But there are tens of
629
00:26:42.019 --> 00:26:45.720
thousands of Russian soldiers in uniform that are supposed to
630
00:26:45.740 --> 00:26:49.250
be protecting the audience. And they're as into the show
631
00:26:49.750 --> 00:26:52.930
and rocking along as all the kids are. There are
632
00:26:52.990 --> 00:26:57.500
Sikorsky helicopters flying right over the audience. I don't know
633
00:26:57.519 --> 00:27:00.200
if it's a scare tactic or whether keeping people, whatever
634
00:27:00.269 --> 00:27:04.029
it is. But these giant Sikorsky helicopters hovering right over
635
00:27:04.069 --> 00:27:05.789
the audience looked like people could just reach out and
636
00:27:05.809 --> 00:27:10.069
touch them. And it is it's a real mindfuck of
637
00:27:10.109 --> 00:27:13.279
a concert to watch, I guess, 30 years later. So
638
00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:15.480
if anybody out there listening, check it out on YouTube.
639
00:27:15.579 --> 00:27:19.299
You know, to me, it's the power of. Um, and
640
00:27:19.420 --> 00:27:21.319
I'm going to want to talk about how I love
641
00:27:21.339 --> 00:27:24.700
that your origin story is so amazing and your fans
642
00:27:24.779 --> 00:27:27.140
all know it, but I want to make sure my
643
00:27:27.180 --> 00:27:29.539
fans know your origin story, cause it is absolutely incredible.
644
00:27:29.980 --> 00:27:33.009
But to think that it started out two guys finding
645
00:27:33.029 --> 00:27:36.369
each other, um, put, you know, putting ads in the paper.
646
00:27:36.390 --> 00:27:39.490
Yeah. And you, you, you know.
647
00:27:39.630 --> 00:27:42.269
And then what happens is you end up getting, uh,
648
00:27:42.710 --> 00:27:46.109
you can unify all these people in, in Russia at
649
00:27:46.130 --> 00:27:49.609
a very delicate time. And we could really use that today, obviously,
650
00:27:49.670 --> 00:27:51.869
but getting 1.6 million people to come to a concert.
651
00:27:51.950 --> 00:27:54.359
And I think a lot of them were chaining around.
652
00:27:54.380 --> 00:27:57.559
They know the lyrics. They know the words. They know
653
00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:00.180
the syncopation of all the songs. And it's because.
654
00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:02.119
And it was all from bootleg tapes. Yes. Because there
655
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:04.640
was no record industry in the Eastern Europe at the time.
656
00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:08.069
But the unifying power of that, the unifying power of,
657
00:28:09.150 --> 00:28:12.430
you know, any kind of art form, but especially the
658
00:28:12.470 --> 00:28:17.220
music of Metallica just worldwide... is a very positive thing.
659
00:28:17.500 --> 00:28:18.440
It's pretty incredible.
660
00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:21.420
I'll tell you another version of that that comes to mind.
661
00:28:21.980 --> 00:28:25.380
First is we've played down in Abu Dhabi and Dubai
662
00:28:25.579 --> 00:28:29.700
a couple, two, three times. And great, great place to
663
00:28:29.769 --> 00:28:34.309
come and play primarily because the fans come in from Iran.
664
00:28:34.390 --> 00:28:36.529
They come in from Iraq. They come in from Saudi.
665
00:28:36.549 --> 00:28:38.630
They come in from Kuwait. They come in from Lebanon.
666
00:28:38.670 --> 00:28:41.130
They come in from Bahrain. They come in from Syria.
667
00:28:41.150 --> 00:28:44.109
They come in from all over the Middle East. And
668
00:28:44.650 --> 00:28:49.019
You're playing to 30,000, 40,000 kids. We've done it two,
669
00:28:49.059 --> 00:28:52.119
three times. And they all bring their flags, their national flags.
670
00:28:52.140 --> 00:28:52.519
That's cool.
671
00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:56.059
The Iranians and the Iraqis and the Saudis and everybody
672
00:28:56.099 --> 00:28:58.059
else are sharing an experience together.
673
00:28:58.240 --> 00:28:58.839
Right.
674
00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:03.680
We've played in India. We've played in places like Indonesia, Malaysia.
675
00:29:03.700 --> 00:29:05.460
You played Antarctica, didn't you?
676
00:29:05.819 --> 00:29:07.220
We played Antarctica, yes.
677
00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:10.769
And then there was a polar bear attack at one point.
678
00:29:10.970 --> 00:29:15.150
One year– It was by chance. It was not something
679
00:29:15.170 --> 00:29:17.970
that we sat down. Well, in two years from now,
680
00:29:17.990 --> 00:29:22.309
let's check all the seven continent boxes. It wasn't like that.
681
00:29:22.390 --> 00:29:24.329
We were playing somewhere, we were playing somewhere else, we
682
00:29:24.349 --> 00:29:26.609
were playing, and then we were five or six into it.
683
00:29:26.630 --> 00:29:28.849
And somebody said, well, hang on a second. If we're
684
00:29:28.869 --> 00:29:31.589
going to do this, then let's do it. And we
685
00:29:31.630 --> 00:29:35.529
got an offer from, I think it was Coca-Cola. They
686
00:29:35.569 --> 00:29:38.869
were doing a contest for Latin America and they invited
687
00:29:38.950 --> 00:29:42.319
us to come down and play for contest winners on
688
00:29:42.390 --> 00:29:47.400
a Chilean research base in Antarctica. And so we flew down,
689
00:29:47.779 --> 00:29:50.960
talk about different, bring different nationalities together. We were on
690
00:29:50.980 --> 00:29:55.259
a Russian icebreaker on a Chilean, anchored off a Chilean
691
00:29:55.460 --> 00:30:01.630
research base. playing to Argentinian, Chilean, and Brazilian Coca-Cola contest
692
00:30:01.690 --> 00:30:05.190
winners in a space that was maybe twice of the
693
00:30:05.269 --> 00:30:05.890
room we're in.
694
00:30:06.210 --> 00:30:06.450
Right.
695
00:30:06.549 --> 00:30:08.369
We're in a small room. Yeah.
696
00:30:08.490 --> 00:30:10.730
It was a tent that was set up. And on
697
00:30:10.819 --> 00:30:13.920
top of that, everybody in the audience had headphones on
698
00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:16.960
like we all do now because it was silent disco style.
699
00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:23.609
Because part of the deal was we couldn't disturb the
700
00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:28.210
environment and the penguins and And all the incredible wildlife
701
00:30:28.250 --> 00:30:30.190
down there. So the only thing you could hear in
702
00:30:30.210 --> 00:30:33.009
that tent were the drums, were the acoustic drums and
703
00:30:33.069 --> 00:30:36.779
James's vocals. But all the amplifier, everything that was amplified,
704
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:39.900
the guitars, the bass, et cetera, were all going through
705
00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:44.589
these sort of boxes into everybody's headphones. So you put
706
00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:47.349
all those elements together and that was one of the
707
00:30:47.410 --> 00:30:50.180
most unique three or four days ever. And on top
708
00:30:50.220 --> 00:30:53.180
of it, the band members and all our wonderful crew
709
00:30:53.500 --> 00:30:56.589
and all the contest winners were staying on that icebreaker together.
710
00:30:57.380 --> 00:31:00.289
So it was a real communal experience and we all
711
00:31:00.329 --> 00:31:02.950
had our meals together. And if anybody wanted a beverage
712
00:31:03.009 --> 00:31:05.529
or post-show drink or whatever, we'd go down the bar.
713
00:31:06.130 --> 00:31:09.130
And it was the 200 contest winners. It was one
714
00:31:09.150 --> 00:31:11.130
of the best trips we've ever had.
715
00:31:11.150 --> 00:31:13.109
And then one guy asked for a Pepsi and he
716
00:31:13.130 --> 00:31:13.730
was thrown overboard.
717
00:31:13.829 --> 00:31:15.930
Exactly.
718
00:31:17.009 --> 00:31:19.339
I want to get to your origin story, but first
719
00:31:19.380 --> 00:31:21.259
I wanted to, this is a little unusual, but I
720
00:31:21.299 --> 00:31:24.019
brought a friend of mine in who I've worked with
721
00:31:24.059 --> 00:31:25.960
for many years. He's a brilliant writer on the show,
722
00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:28.460
and he's helped us out, Matt, right over there.
723
00:31:28.500 --> 00:31:28.720
Hi.
724
00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:29.960
I'm not usually here.
725
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:33.210
No, no, no. Matt and I don't get along, but
726
00:31:33.250 --> 00:31:33.950
I invited him in.
727
00:31:33.950 --> 00:31:35.710
Not that I would know. It'll come out. Don't worry.
728
00:31:35.730 --> 00:31:37.390
But Matt, we've known each other for how long?
729
00:31:37.410 --> 00:31:47.150
Since 2009? 2007. 07. 07. Okay, it feels like 09,
730
00:31:47.150 --> 00:31:50.359
but anyway. We've known each other since 2007. Every day
731
00:31:50.440 --> 00:31:53.039
he comes in, he wants to talk to me about Metallica.
732
00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:58.220
Every single day. And he plays me, he tells me
733
00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:00.519
what you're up to, and I appreciate it, because I'm
734
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:02.539
a fan as well, but I.
735
00:32:02.500 --> 00:32:05.130
Thought- I feel like I should apologize.
736
00:32:06.230 --> 00:32:06.910
It's been great.
737
00:32:07.460 --> 00:32:10.380
It's been great to not break common ground with Conan
738
00:32:10.619 --> 00:32:11.859
for almost 20 years.
739
00:32:11.940 --> 00:32:17.369
No, no, no. It's been, but man, you were in
740
00:32:17.430 --> 00:32:19.990
New York and you found out that Lars was going
741
00:32:20.009 --> 00:32:22.690
to be here today and you flew here.
742
00:32:23.529 --> 00:32:25.569
I couldn't miss it. I couldn't miss it.
743
00:32:25.609 --> 00:32:27.430
All kidding aside, thank you very much.
744
00:32:27.470 --> 00:32:28.190
Thanks for being here.
745
00:32:28.210 --> 00:32:28.680
Thanks for coming out.
746
00:32:28.690 --> 00:32:29.369
I'm really excited to be here.
747
00:32:29.430 --> 00:32:30.450
How many shows have you been to?
748
00:32:30.450 --> 00:32:31.410
62. Yeah.
749
00:32:31.430 --> 00:32:32.589
Oh, wow.
750
00:32:32.670 --> 00:32:33.690
What was your first one?
751
00:32:33.869 --> 00:32:34.549
Atlanta 93.
752
00:32:34.529 --> 00:32:36.190
Do you remember him?
753
00:32:36.289 --> 00:32:36.750
Lakewood?
754
00:32:36.769 --> 00:32:38.230
Lakewood Amphitheater.
755
00:32:38.250 --> 00:32:39.430
Lakewood, yeah, yeah, yeah.
756
00:32:39.470 --> 00:32:40.829
Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
757
00:32:40.890 --> 00:32:41.069
Wow.
758
00:32:41.269 --> 00:32:42.569
Wait a minute. How did you know that?
759
00:32:42.630 --> 00:32:43.430
Lakewood Amphitheater.
760
00:32:44.970 --> 00:32:47.529
If we go around a room and you say Atlanta
761
00:32:47.549 --> 00:32:51.960
or you say- Louisville and you say, uh, whatever, Dallas, Houston,
762
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:58.039
I can pretty quickly identify the venue, remember the shows and, uh,
763
00:32:58.079 --> 00:32:59.859
and remember the tours and stuff. Yeah.
764
00:32:59.980 --> 00:33:01.420
I don't know my children's names.
765
00:33:02.460 --> 00:33:03.319
Let me try one on you.
766
00:33:03.339 --> 00:33:05.099
We can help you with that.
767
00:33:05.140 --> 00:33:05.740
Antarctica.
768
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:06.200
Yeah.
769
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:10.289
Antarctica was, uh, December the 13th. Yeah.
770
00:33:10.589 --> 00:33:11.400
Wow.
771
00:33:11.940 --> 00:33:12.140
Yeah.
772
00:33:12.289 --> 00:33:15.950
It's, uh, this weird, uh, people are very generous. They
773
00:33:15.990 --> 00:33:21.710
call it encyclopedic. Wikipedia-like. And I often play along on
774
00:33:21.730 --> 00:33:25.400
that tangent. I do feel increasingly that, you know, if
775
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:27.759
you put me, James and Kurt together in the same room,
776
00:33:27.980 --> 00:33:29.720
we can pretty much, the three of us make a
777
00:33:29.779 --> 00:33:33.420
whole and we can remember all of it a hundred percent.
778
00:33:33.460 --> 00:33:35.539
But I remember all the dates. So if you say,
779
00:33:35.779 --> 00:33:39.779
where were you in, you know, February 08, I can go,
780
00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:42.609
we were right there. We played there, we played this venue.
781
00:33:43.549 --> 00:33:46.349
But Atlanta, I mean, has always been great and Lakewood
782
00:33:46.390 --> 00:33:47.869
and the Omni.
783
00:33:47.910 --> 00:33:48.089
Yeah.
784
00:33:48.109 --> 00:33:49.750
The Omni, which is not there anymore.
785
00:33:49.809 --> 00:33:50.029
Right.
786
00:33:50.069 --> 00:33:52.690
But, but what's amazing about the fact that you remember
787
00:33:52.710 --> 00:33:55.829
it's every city had an amphitheater that looked kind of
788
00:33:55.869 --> 00:33:58.690
the same, which was just that rake with a lawn
789
00:33:58.730 --> 00:34:00.849
in the back. So the fact that you remember specifically
790
00:34:00.869 --> 00:34:02.690
that it was called Lake, cause that must, they must
791
00:34:02.859 --> 00:34:04.859
all look the same from the stage.
792
00:34:04.900 --> 00:34:07.240
It was a lot easier back in the day because,
793
00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:09.840
you know, 20, 30 years ago when we came up
794
00:34:10.139 --> 00:34:12.579
sort of the eighties and nineties, all the venues were
795
00:34:13.110 --> 00:34:17.570
whether they were, you know, coliseums, auditoriums, or arenas, or
796
00:34:17.630 --> 00:34:22.969
the amphitheaters, they all had geographical, primarily geographical names. So
797
00:34:23.030 --> 00:34:25.289
if you were in, you know, Phoenix, it was the
798
00:34:25.510 --> 00:34:28.949
Phoenix Municipal Auditorium. And if you were in Atlanta, it
799
00:34:29.010 --> 00:34:30.909
was Lakewood, or it was the Omni, or it was
800
00:34:30.969 --> 00:34:34.260
attached to the CNN Center, whatever. Now when you go
801
00:34:34.300 --> 00:34:36.559
to all these places, every one of them is called
802
00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:37.840
the FedEx building.
803
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:39.860
Yes, it's a corporate name, yeah.
804
00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:41.599
Or the State Farm Insurance thing.
805
00:34:41.619 --> 00:34:41.699
Yeah.
806
00:34:42.030 --> 00:34:44.170
And so you can't kind of keep track because the
807
00:34:44.230 --> 00:34:47.429
naming rights of those change every couple, three, five years.
808
00:34:47.869 --> 00:34:50.750
So you're sitting there going, did I play this before?
809
00:34:50.949 --> 00:34:51.170
Yeah.
810
00:34:51.349 --> 00:34:54.210
You know, and- Before a bank bought the naming rights.
811
00:34:54.250 --> 00:34:56.840
Yeah. And so- I saw you at the Depend Center,
812
00:34:56.860 --> 00:35:01.500
you know, in Orlando. And you're just- Damn it, why
813
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:02.099
did they buy it?
814
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:03.340
Astro Gliderina.
815
00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:06.960
God knows we've played all of them. Actually, we played
816
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:11.610
to the- continents thing. Um, one year on the justice
817
00:35:11.670 --> 00:35:16.010
tour in 88, 89, we were 46 or 47 States
818
00:35:16.090 --> 00:35:19.119
into it. And we realized shit, you know, should we
819
00:35:19.139 --> 00:35:21.039
go for 50?
820
00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:25.340
And, um, and so.
821
00:35:25.820 --> 00:35:27.980
Uh, there was no, there was no arena or at
822
00:35:28.019 --> 00:35:30.320
least at that time, there was no arena in Delaware
823
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:34.070
and there was no arena in Vermont, uh, So in Vermont,
824
00:35:34.090 --> 00:35:39.250
we played a high school gymnasium and in, um, and
825
00:35:39.389 --> 00:35:43.650
in Delaware, we played a club, maybe a stone balloon
826
00:35:43.710 --> 00:35:46.780
or something. I think it was called. And, uh, and
827
00:35:46.820 --> 00:35:49.519
so we ended up playing all, all 50 of the
828
00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:53.300
state because at that time, you know, hitting Honolulu and
829
00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:56.699
hitting Anchorage was a fairly regular stop Sullivan arena up
830
00:35:56.780 --> 00:36:01.679
in Anchorage. And, the NBC arena, uh, in, uh, in
831
00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:03.110
Honolulu or regular parts.
832
00:36:03.130 --> 00:36:05.730
You know what this reminds me of? I was that, um,
833
00:36:06.070 --> 00:36:09.929
Bill Wyman was, uh, um, famously the bass player for
834
00:36:09.949 --> 00:36:14.010
the Rolling Stones for, you know, uh, a good, good
835
00:36:14.050 --> 00:36:14.949
chunk of their run.
836
00:36:14.969 --> 00:36:18.579
Um, he had, he had the, he was the encyclopedia.
837
00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:21.840
He had an encyclopedic knowledge, but of a specific thing,
838
00:36:22.420 --> 00:36:23.860
you know, everyone would think like, oh my God, you
839
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:25.880
were there, you were there for all of these seminal
840
00:36:25.940 --> 00:36:30.260
moments and you were in, This amazing rock band. And
841
00:36:30.300 --> 00:36:32.880
you went through this incredible time. And apparently when you
842
00:36:32.900 --> 00:36:35.889
read through his diaries, it's all we played this venue.
843
00:36:36.289 --> 00:36:39.269
Here's how much we got paid. Here's how much I
844
00:36:39.309 --> 00:36:41.289
put in this. I put in this much for the
845
00:36:41.329 --> 00:36:43.829
cab I took home. And then I charge this much
846
00:36:43.849 --> 00:36:45.650
for the dry cleaning. Then we pay.
847
00:36:48.340 --> 00:36:50.300
Yeah, I've heard that story too.
848
00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:52.820
And it's over in like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds
849
00:36:52.860 --> 00:36:55.360
of pages. And you think, how about, was there a
850
00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:58.719
moment where Jagger irritated you? Or should you not have
851
00:36:58.739 --> 00:36:59.400
been an accountant?
852
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:01.929
Or even better, was there a moment where you guys
853
00:37:02.010 --> 00:37:04.750
really connected as a rock and roll band to an audience?
854
00:37:04.889 --> 00:37:06.230
Well, what does that have to do with how much
855
00:37:06.469 --> 00:37:09.389
money I got paid and how much money the cab cost?
856
00:37:09.409 --> 00:37:09.750
Yeah.
857
00:37:10.269 --> 00:37:12.650
Um, no, but his, yeah, his, his accountant was thrilled
858
00:37:12.690 --> 00:37:15.130
with him. Uh, you know, I just wanted to mention
859
00:37:15.190 --> 00:37:20.539
quickly for people, uh, your career, uh, touches on a
860
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:24.219
philosophy and a theory that I've had for a long
861
00:37:24.300 --> 00:37:27.019
time that I've been thinking about. And I bring it
862
00:37:27.059 --> 00:37:29.320
up a lot on this, uh, program and I brought
863
00:37:29.380 --> 00:37:31.659
it a lot, brought it up a lot in different
864
00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:34.530
speeches I've given, which is this theory I have that
865
00:37:34.550 --> 00:37:36.969
it's your failure to be what you think you're supposed
866
00:37:36.989 --> 00:37:39.800
to be. that often leads you to the thing you're
867
00:37:39.820 --> 00:37:46.079
really supposed to be. And no one demonstrates that better
868
00:37:46.099 --> 00:37:48.530
than you Lars, because you come from this incredible tennis
869
00:37:48.590 --> 00:37:53.230
playing family and you're born in Denmark and that's the plan.
870
00:37:54.030 --> 00:37:57.349
And you're, you know, you're, you're playing tennis and you're
871
00:37:57.369 --> 00:37:59.710
working your way up through the system. And then you
872
00:37:59.789 --> 00:38:02.699
end up, uh, you come to the States to play
873
00:38:02.739 --> 00:38:06.219
tennis and it isn't quite working out for you. You're
874
00:38:06.340 --> 00:38:08.900
it's not happening. And the next thing you know, you
875
00:38:08.940 --> 00:38:12.380
come to Newport Beach and it really doesn't happen. And
876
00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:15.780
you decide, all right, since I was like nine or 10,
877
00:38:15.780 --> 00:38:18.030
I've been obsessed with this kind of music that I've
878
00:38:18.050 --> 00:38:22.369
been hearing. And it is, we'd call it new wave
879
00:38:22.789 --> 00:38:23.429
British heavy metal.
880
00:38:23.449 --> 00:38:26.010
New wave of British heavy metal was the specific thing
881
00:38:26.070 --> 00:38:28.909
that came out of the sort of the, you know,
882
00:38:29.250 --> 00:38:32.219
you know, Matt, right? It came out of the... the
883
00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:34.480
32nd version is that a lot of the big bands,
884
00:38:34.500 --> 00:38:36.400
you know, whether it was, you know, Zeppelin or Deep
885
00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:39.179
Purple or the Yeses of the world, the Genesis of
886
00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:42.159
the world, all these bands as they Pink Floyd, as
887
00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:44.800
they went on and on, there was a, not necessarily
888
00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:47.579
my perception, but to a lot of people, they became
889
00:38:48.179 --> 00:38:51.260
larger than life and sort of lost touch with, with,
890
00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:53.760
you know, the streets and where they came from. And
891
00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:57.769
so the 32nd version is, punk kind of grew out
892
00:38:57.849 --> 00:39:01.250
of that as a response to i can learn how
893
00:39:01.289 --> 00:39:02.969
to play three chords and i want to be in
894
00:39:03.010 --> 00:39:05.570
a band i don't have to write 20 minute epics
895
00:39:05.690 --> 00:39:08.179
and do all that kind of stuff and so punk
896
00:39:08.219 --> 00:39:11.159
rock was sort of born as a as a contrary
897
00:39:11.340 --> 00:39:15.300
musical force to rebellion yeah yeah and then the new
898
00:39:15.340 --> 00:39:17.420
wave of british heavy metal sort of came out that
899
00:39:17.460 --> 00:39:20.750
was the hard rock version of the punk movement with
900
00:39:20.750 --> 00:39:23.530
you know all the bands were doing it themselves putting
901
00:39:23.530 --> 00:39:25.949
out their own eps and singles and their own tapes
902
00:39:25.949 --> 00:39:28.650
and playing all the local clubs and kind of you know,
903
00:39:29.070 --> 00:39:31.489
bringing it up themselves, punk rock styles. And the bands
904
00:39:31.510 --> 00:39:35.889
that came out of that were Iron Maiden, Def Leppard, Saxon,
905
00:39:36.389 --> 00:39:40.320
Tigers of Pantang, Angel Witch, Diamondhead. I think you know
906
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:42.960
all of them. But when I started hearing Diamondhead and
907
00:39:42.980 --> 00:39:45.219
the Tigers of Pantang and two degree bands like Iron
908
00:39:45.260 --> 00:39:47.039
Maiden and so on, it's like, I can do that.
909
00:39:47.460 --> 00:39:49.960
And so when I came to, I spent a year
910
00:39:50.139 --> 00:39:55.199
at Nick Boloteri's Tennis Academy in Sarasota, Bradenton, the first
911
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:58.159
year and ran screaming out of there back to Denmark.
912
00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:01.250
And then we ended up then in Newport Beach. I
913
00:40:01.289 --> 00:40:03.789
was going to go to Colonel Del Mar High School,
914
00:40:04.170 --> 00:40:06.949
which was one of the highest ranked tennis high schools
915
00:40:07.030 --> 00:40:12.280
in the country. And six months later in February, as
916
00:40:12.340 --> 00:40:16.119
the tryouts were for the tennis team, I was ranked
917
00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:18.820
in the top 10 in my age groups in Denmark.
918
00:40:19.139 --> 00:40:21.199
I wasn't one of the seven best tennis players going
919
00:40:21.219 --> 00:40:23.230
to Corona Del Mar High School. I didn't make the
920
00:40:23.289 --> 00:40:24.889
fucking tennis team.
921
00:40:24.909 --> 00:40:28.269
So that. That's when you knew. What are my other options?
922
00:40:28.329 --> 00:40:31.949
That's to screw up my Friday afternoon plans. And so
923
00:40:33.369 --> 00:40:36.590
I went back to the house and dove deeper into
924
00:40:36.650 --> 00:40:41.110
my Diamondhead and my Iron Maiden records and got a
925
00:40:41.179 --> 00:40:44.019
drum kit together and said, you know what, let's try
926
00:40:44.059 --> 00:40:45.900
this rock and roll thing and then place the ad
927
00:40:45.940 --> 00:40:46.559
in the recycler.
928
00:40:46.579 --> 00:40:47.940
So this is the thing. You place an ad in
929
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:50.239
the recycler saying, this is specifically the kind of music
930
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:52.840
I want to play. The only thing is that no
931
00:40:52.900 --> 00:40:56.400
one in the States at that time- really knows that music.
932
00:40:56.780 --> 00:41:00.789
You are unusual because you're this agent that's come over
933
00:41:01.190 --> 00:41:05.170
from Europe. You're familiar with it, but you alone sort
934
00:41:05.190 --> 00:41:06.590
of know about this. You put this ad in the,
935
00:41:06.690 --> 00:41:09.750
and then at the same time, this guy says he's
936
00:41:09.769 --> 00:41:12.349
looking for a drummer that plays a similar kind of music,
937
00:41:12.369 --> 00:41:14.449
a little different because he also mentions Aerosmith, but it's
938
00:41:14.510 --> 00:41:15.320
James Hetfield.
939
00:41:15.380 --> 00:41:15.599
Yeah.
940
00:41:16.099 --> 00:41:16.940
That's crazy.
941
00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:19.519
The key word, you said the word alone.
942
00:41:19.539 --> 00:41:20.619
Yeah.
943
00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:23.239
Even when I think back to that time, it was
944
00:41:23.300 --> 00:41:26.119
a very lonely time. time, you know, I would walk
945
00:41:26.179 --> 00:41:28.880
into Colonel Del Mar high school and listen, I was
946
00:41:28.900 --> 00:41:32.610
an average student. I wasn't like a complete misfit or
947
00:41:32.619 --> 00:41:34.659
a fuck up or whatever, but I was a loner.
948
00:41:35.260 --> 00:41:37.230
I was an average student and I would walk in
949
00:41:37.510 --> 00:41:40.449
with my Iron Maiden t-shirts and my Saxon t-shirts and
950
00:41:40.630 --> 00:41:42.570
they would all sort of look at me. They weren't
951
00:41:42.610 --> 00:41:45.909
like bullying me. They weren't, there was nothing like weird, weird,
952
00:41:46.250 --> 00:41:48.510
but I was just a loner and an outcast. And,
953
00:41:48.670 --> 00:41:50.730
you know, if you talk to heavy metal, if you
954
00:41:50.750 --> 00:41:53.530
talk to others about heavy metal at the time, you know,
955
00:41:53.610 --> 00:41:57.679
it was, oh, you know, Kansas or REO Speedwagon or
956
00:41:57.900 --> 00:42:01.260
Styx or Van Halen or whatever, no disrespect to any
957
00:42:01.300 --> 00:42:03.980
of them. But the stuff that we were, that was
958
00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:06.969
turning us on and inspiring us was quite a bit
959
00:42:07.130 --> 00:42:09.750
edgier than that. And so when James and I connected,
960
00:42:10.230 --> 00:42:12.110
I got a chance to play him a lot of the,
961
00:42:12.789 --> 00:42:15.510
you know, this music, these singles. He, like you said,
962
00:42:15.550 --> 00:42:19.030
came a little bit more from, from the Aerosmith and, and,
963
00:42:19.489 --> 00:42:22.019
you know, maybe Ted Nugent, Leonard Skinner and so on.
964
00:42:22.539 --> 00:42:25.090
But it was big in America at the time. But instantly,
965
00:42:25.110 --> 00:42:27.389
he had heard of Iron Maiden. He knew Judas Priest
966
00:42:27.429 --> 00:42:32.570
and the Scorpions. And when we put our collective music
967
00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:36.360
libraries together, it gelled really quickly and off we went.
968
00:42:36.380 --> 00:42:38.679
There's something, I don't want to get too geeky about this,
969
00:42:38.780 --> 00:42:41.139
but one thing I should tell you is that I
970
00:42:41.179 --> 00:42:45.260
was always fascinated by drumming. The syncopation, the time changes.
971
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:50.480
It's so exacting that sometimes I... I wonder like, how
972
00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:52.880
are you doing that? How are you doing that without some,
973
00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:57.519
you know, it is, I mean, you guys turn on
974
00:42:57.559 --> 00:43:02.179
a dime. It stops, starts, and this is really on you,
975
00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:04.440
changes time. And I see the way you look at
976
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:08.570
James Hetfield and he's looking at you and you guys are,
977
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:14.230
it's constantly modulating, changing. I kind of don't understand how
978
00:43:14.269 --> 00:43:16.550
that happens. I just don't understand how you can do
979
00:43:16.610 --> 00:43:19.570
that And each song has its own signature and has
980
00:43:19.630 --> 00:43:23.510
its own arrangement. And there's not sheet music. There's not
981
00:43:23.550 --> 00:43:26.670
anyone there. You know what I mean?
982
00:43:26.889 --> 00:43:28.730
If there was sheet music, it would make it harder
983
00:43:28.750 --> 00:43:29.090
to play.
984
00:43:29.110 --> 00:43:35.429
Yeah, yeah. You guys need a conductor. That's what you need. Tap, tap, tap, tap.
985
00:43:35.530 --> 00:43:36.719
All right, let's begin, gentlemen.
986
00:43:37.260 --> 00:43:41.239
It used to be really funny, like comical back in
987
00:43:41.260 --> 00:43:44.000
the days. We used to work very closely with this
988
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:47.619
company called Cherry Lane, I believe they were called. And they,
989
00:43:48.260 --> 00:43:49.780
you know, back in the day would do, you know,
990
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:52.400
before YouTubes and all these things, you know, if you
991
00:43:52.420 --> 00:43:56.170
wanted to look at the sheet music for these records
992
00:43:56.190 --> 00:43:58.750
that everybody was putting out and people wanted to play along,
993
00:43:59.230 --> 00:44:02.110
you would, Cherry Lane would come in after you'd finished
994
00:44:02.150 --> 00:44:05.630
your record and then they would transcribe your music. And
995
00:44:06.889 --> 00:44:08.840
then they would put it out. Back in the day,
996
00:44:08.860 --> 00:44:11.070
you know, it's like, The guys in Sherry Lane don't
997
00:44:11.110 --> 00:44:13.869
understand what happens in this song from there to there.
998
00:44:13.909 --> 00:44:18.389
Can you help them? And we're like, absolutely no chance
999
00:44:18.449 --> 00:44:19.849
in hell we can help them. Not because we didn't
1000
00:44:19.929 --> 00:44:21.829
want to, but just we didn't know.
1001
00:44:21.909 --> 00:44:22.809
You don't know what you did.
1002
00:44:22.869 --> 00:44:25.480
We don't know how to articulate. We just do it.
1003
00:44:25.530 --> 00:44:31.840
It's something that becomes instinctive. I don't know. Intuition. I
1004
00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:32.639
don't know.
1005
00:44:32.739 --> 00:44:33.239
Primal.
1006
00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:35.480
Whatever words you want to put to it. And then
1007
00:44:36.500 --> 00:44:39.150
you kind of sit there. Six months later, these Cherry
1008
00:44:39.190 --> 00:44:41.849
Lane books out there and everybody's like, and then some,
1009
00:44:41.969 --> 00:44:44.829
you meet some dude, you know, backstage where he says,
1010
00:44:45.070 --> 00:44:46.849
you know, in the shortest straw, I don't know if
1011
00:44:46.889 --> 00:44:50.789
that was transcribed correctly. And we're sitting there.
1012
00:44:50.809 --> 00:44:51.969
You have to answer for that.
1013
00:44:52.030 --> 00:44:54.260
We are the last people on this planet that will
1014
00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:57.500
know if that was transcribed properly or not, but we
1015
00:44:57.559 --> 00:44:59.920
just kind of come up with it. I mean, obviously,
1016
00:45:00.500 --> 00:45:02.119
you know, some of the stuff back in the day
1017
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:05.360
was a little nuttier. Now we really like, you know,
1018
00:45:05.380 --> 00:45:08.789
the feel and, and, creating songs that have moods and
1019
00:45:09.429 --> 00:45:12.920
swagger and bounce and, you know, pockets as we called it,
1020
00:45:12.989 --> 00:45:16.289
like rhythmic pockets. Some of the earlier songs, like, I
1021
00:45:16.329 --> 00:45:18.429
don't know, like a song like One, or if we
1022
00:45:18.469 --> 00:45:19.780
play a song like Injustice For All.
1023
00:45:19.789 --> 00:45:20.650
Fight Fire With Fire.
1024
00:45:20.889 --> 00:45:24.710
Fight Fire With Fire. Yeah, that's, whoa. You know, some
1025
00:45:24.750 --> 00:45:27.829
of that stuff, you really have to sort of be
1026
00:45:27.929 --> 00:45:31.610
very in the moment still. But if you start drifting,
1027
00:45:32.250 --> 00:45:34.969
it happened to me. It doesn't happen very often, thankfully.
1028
00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:36.500
Nog on wood.
1029
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:37.219
That's not wood.
1030
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:39.380
This is wood.
1031
00:45:39.420 --> 00:45:40.400
High density polymer.
1032
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:41.019
This is wood.
1033
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:41.880
Okay.
1034
00:45:42.420 --> 00:45:45.420
But there was a time in, where were we in?
1035
00:45:45.860 --> 00:45:46.719
Oh, you know where you were.
1036
00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:48.190
It was last year. It was in.
1037
00:45:48.199 --> 00:45:49.639
You were at the urinal cake arena.
1038
00:45:49.659 --> 00:45:51.690
That's right. We were in.
1039
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:52.400
Pittsburgh, Missouri.
1040
00:45:53.659 --> 00:45:57.280
We were in Belo Horizonte last, just about a year
1041
00:45:57.300 --> 00:46:01.059
ago in Brazil. And my mind started drifting for a
1042
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:04.500
couple of like three, five songs. I had one of those.
1043
00:46:05.070 --> 00:46:07.599
out-of-body experiences where i was sitting up on stage there's
1044
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:12.900
50 60 000 crazy cool in it brazilians with us
1045
00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:17.099
my three bandmates there and i had you know 15
1046
00:46:17.099 --> 00:46:19.340
minutes of like why are all these people looking at
1047
00:46:19.380 --> 00:46:25.650
me why why why am i why am i on
1048
00:46:25.690 --> 00:46:28.250
stage what does all this mean you know where you
1049
00:46:28.289 --> 00:46:30.130
just sit there and go like okay don't think like
1050
00:46:30.150 --> 00:46:33.610
this just what's the next part and fucking just find
1051
00:46:33.650 --> 00:46:36.429
somebody down in the front row and do this and
1052
00:46:36.489 --> 00:46:39.630
get in the moment. You know, you're being blinded by
1053
00:46:39.670 --> 00:46:42.699
a spotlight and it's like, you had like a 15
1054
00:46:42.699 --> 00:46:46.039
minute freak out over doesn't happen very often, but it
1055
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:49.079
still does. And I guess the good part of that
1056
00:46:49.260 --> 00:46:52.039
is that it reiterates the fact that you're human.
1057
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:55.000
I think that happens to, to all of us. I was,
1058
00:46:55.280 --> 00:46:57.780
you know, I had so many drum questions I wanted
1059
00:46:57.820 --> 00:47:01.619
to ask, but there, well, I mean, just, the, what
1060
00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:07.389
is a drum? Well, you just took my first question.
1061
00:47:07.469 --> 00:47:09.789
While we're getting all metaphysical here, let's, let's.
1062
00:47:09.630 --> 00:47:12.369
Get, no, but I mean, uh, I just, what you've
1063
00:47:12.429 --> 00:47:15.969
done with, uh, the bass drum, the bass pedals, and, um,
1064
00:47:16.190 --> 00:47:19.409
it just that the, the, the footwork that's, I mean,
1065
00:47:19.710 --> 00:47:22.300
I can't understand how, how people can do that. I
1066
00:47:22.300 --> 00:47:24.659
don't understand how anyone can do that, but I, I.
1067
00:47:24.980 --> 00:47:27.500
I think that, uh, you know, like we talked about
1068
00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:31.250
staying in shape, uh, I do believe that somewhere in
1069
00:47:31.289 --> 00:47:35.219
there is a correlation to growing up around tennis, because
1070
00:47:35.300 --> 00:47:37.619
tennis is, if you're going to break it down into
1071
00:47:37.900 --> 00:47:42.239
one word that really echoes into drumming, I'd say it's
1072
00:47:42.260 --> 00:47:43.099
the word balance.
1073
00:47:43.420 --> 00:47:45.449
What I'll say is, and it's the highest compliment I
1074
00:47:45.469 --> 00:47:48.289
can pay, is that I always know it's you. I
1075
00:47:48.329 --> 00:47:50.670
think if you went and cut an album with REO
1076
00:47:50.710 --> 00:47:53.619
Speedwagon and no one knew it, I'd wonder, And I
1077
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:55.679
didn't know anything and I just heard it. I'd say,
1078
00:47:55.719 --> 00:47:59.260
why is Lars playing with REO Speedwagon? Why isn't Lars.
1079
00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:00.460
Playing with it?
1080
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:03.010
Yeah, why isn't? That's what they're asking. But to me,
1081
00:48:03.050 --> 00:48:06.510
the ultimate goal of any person with an instrument is
1082
00:48:06.550 --> 00:48:09.250
to make it uniquely their own. And you've done that.
1083
00:48:09.409 --> 00:48:10.510
Thank you. It means a lot.
1084
00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:15.500
My- It shouldn't, because I'm not- I'm a comedian. Remember
1085
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:16.659
who you're talking to, Lars.
1086
00:48:16.699 --> 00:48:17.559
You know who this is.
1087
00:48:19.090 --> 00:48:22.230
At this point- This means nothing to me. It's what
1088
00:48:22.269 --> 00:48:23.050
you should have said.
1089
00:48:23.090 --> 00:48:26.369
You compliment every guest's drumming ability, no matter whether they
1090
00:48:26.409 --> 00:48:27.449
play or not.
1091
00:48:27.750 --> 00:48:30.960
At this point in my life, I take all the
1092
00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:35.480
compliments and I say that- Semi-jokingly, but back in the
1093
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:37.460
day when I was 20 or 30, I never slowed
1094
00:48:37.500 --> 00:48:41.159
down long enough to take the compliments in. I'm sure
1095
00:48:41.340 --> 00:48:43.659
everybody can relate to a version. We're all just in
1096
00:48:43.699 --> 00:48:44.380
such a hurry.
1097
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:47.059
So I just want to make sure I mention 72
1098
00:48:47.059 --> 00:48:49.360
Seasons is the new album.
1099
00:48:49.500 --> 00:48:49.579
Yes.
1100
00:48:49.739 --> 00:48:52.239
And how many albums has this been now?
1101
00:48:52.260 --> 00:48:53.019
This is 11, right?
1102
00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:54.409
I'm not the one to ask.
1103
00:48:54.449 --> 00:48:56.510
I think Matt is the one to ask.
1104
00:48:56.550 --> 00:48:56.989
Matt would know.
1105
00:48:57.030 --> 00:48:58.449
Yeah, it's somewhere because it gets in.
1106
00:48:58.489 --> 00:49:00.570
I've been your manager for several years.
1107
00:49:01.349 --> 00:49:04.789
Which is much appreciated, by the way. But it gets
1108
00:49:04.929 --> 00:49:07.070
into all that stuff about, you know, do the live
1109
00:49:07.190 --> 00:49:09.780
albums count? Do the cover albums count?
1110
00:49:09.909 --> 00:49:11.699
Does your Phony Phone Calls album count?
1111
00:49:11.719 --> 00:49:12.559
Exactly.
1112
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:15.000
Yeah. Metallica and the Jerky Boys.
1113
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:16.510
Oh, I want it.
1114
00:49:17.829 --> 00:49:21.260
But, you know, somewhere around 11 or 12. give or take.
1115
00:49:21.340 --> 00:49:23.019
It's not 20 or 30.
1116
00:49:23.019 --> 00:49:30.170
And you're starting a two-year tour. That's right. M72 tour. And, Matt,
1117
00:49:30.190 --> 00:49:31.750
I want to go to a show with you. You
1118
00:49:31.809 --> 00:49:33.449
and I, finally. No, I really do.
1119
00:49:33.730 --> 00:49:34.989
I've been asking since 2007.
1120
00:49:34.989 --> 00:49:37.730
I know, but you always ask when there's work to
1121
00:49:37.769 --> 00:49:38.070
be done.
1122
00:49:39.889 --> 00:49:42.070
Well, now that things are winding down, you and I
1123
00:49:42.130 --> 00:49:42.570
can finally.
1124
00:49:42.690 --> 00:49:45.530
Oh, I wonder where they were when they're winding down.
1125
00:49:45.590 --> 00:49:46.650
No one told me. I don't know.
1126
00:49:46.710 --> 00:49:48.070
You said there was always work to be done.
1127
00:49:49.019 --> 00:49:50.719
I think we're doing it. We're doing a couple nights.
1128
00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:51.280
So far.
1129
00:49:51.300 --> 00:49:51.760
So far.
1130
00:49:51.780 --> 00:49:52.179
Yeah.
1131
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:54.710
Yeah. So a couple nights at SoFi, I think, and yeah.
1132
00:49:54.730 --> 00:49:56.989
Well, it's a two-night commitment, Conan, because it's a different
1133
00:49:57.010 --> 00:50:00.030
set each night. And of course, of course, the band's
1134
00:50:00.050 --> 00:50:01.650
going to want me to come out for a set
1135
00:50:01.670 --> 00:50:04.250
with my acoustic guitar.
1136
00:50:04.369 --> 00:50:07.650
Let there be no question about that.
1137
00:50:07.889 --> 00:50:11.989
And now, you playing Georgia Satellites with Metallica.
1138
00:50:12.090 --> 00:50:17.179
I got some change in my body. If you ever
1139
00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:21.599
want to have the opposite reaction, just for fun... Just say, hey, everybody,
1140
00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:23.039
Conor O'Brien is going to come out now. We're going
1141
00:50:23.059 --> 00:50:25.420
to interrupt the show and he's bringing his acoustic guitar.
1142
00:50:25.780 --> 00:50:27.760
And then you're going to see people, as I start
1143
00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:31.760
to play, file out. They will file out. Now, they'll
1144
00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:32.639
come back the next night.
1145
00:50:32.679 --> 00:50:34.900
We have our version of that. It's either, you know,
1146
00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:37.380
when we need to clear the house, we do a
1147
00:50:37.420 --> 00:50:43.730
drum solo or we do whatever. There's multiple versions. versions
1148
00:50:43.829 --> 00:50:45.590
of that. But, uh, if you want to come out
1149
00:50:45.610 --> 00:50:47.550
and help clear the house, the stage is yours.
1150
00:50:47.630 --> 00:50:49.769
Anytime you feel that you want to get rid of
1151
00:50:49.789 --> 00:50:52.090
the crowd quickly, let's say there's an emergency and you
1152
00:50:52.179 --> 00:50:54.239
need the crowd out of there. I will come on
1153
00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:56.900
stage and, uh, I'll sing Aqualung.
1154
00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:03.539
Um, we've had some, uh, let's go.
1155
00:51:03.679 --> 00:51:06.199
I mean, it reminds me, I was talking to somebody
1156
00:51:06.860 --> 00:51:08.929
interview a couple of days ago where we're talking about
1157
00:51:09.250 --> 00:51:12.829
our history of LA, uh, And I mean, we've had
1158
00:51:12.949 --> 00:51:16.079
some of the best shows of our career in LA
1159
00:51:16.139 --> 00:51:20.559
because the fans here are so passionate. And obviously, you know,
1160
00:51:21.019 --> 00:51:23.780
going back to the KNAC days with Long Beach Arena,
1161
00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:27.679
one of the 16,000 seats in there, we've paid for
1162
00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:31.449
about 15,000 of those 16,000 seats over the years because
1163
00:51:31.869 --> 00:51:34.010
every time we would play Long Beach Arena, people would
1164
00:51:34.050 --> 00:51:36.969
just take the cushion and you know, play Frisbee with
1165
00:51:37.030 --> 00:51:41.599
it inside the arena. And next day it would be like, okay, Metallica,
1166
00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:44.739
here's this $ 300, 000 worth of cushion shopping that we have
1167
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:45.679
to do for, you know.
1168
00:51:45.739 --> 00:51:47.599
Wait, you have to pay for that?
1169
00:51:47.619 --> 00:51:50.139
Oh, fuck yeah. I had to go on, James and
1170
00:51:50.179 --> 00:51:53.590
I had to go on KNAC multiple times and go, listen, whatever,
1171
00:51:53.610 --> 00:51:57.389
you know, you're our fans and we're your fans and
1172
00:51:57.429 --> 00:51:59.849
we're all in this together. We want you to have
1173
00:51:59.889 --> 00:52:03.389
a good time and we support that. But understand one thing,
1174
00:52:03.929 --> 00:52:06.440
when you're rebelling, if you think you're rebelling against the
1175
00:52:06.519 --> 00:52:10.460
building or rebelling against authority or rebelling against a man
1176
00:52:10.500 --> 00:52:12.340
or whatever the fuck it is you think you're rebelling against,
1177
00:52:12.780 --> 00:52:15.860
the only people you're really rebelling against is Metallica, which
1178
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:18.110
is fine, you know, so, but we had a similar
1179
00:52:18.170 --> 00:52:20.710
situation a couple years later at LA Coliseum. I don't
1180
00:52:20.789 --> 00:52:23.170
know if, you know, we were playing and there was,
1181
00:52:24.670 --> 00:52:28.269
whoever had booked the LA Coliseum show at that time,
1182
00:52:28.329 --> 00:52:33.280
things were maybe slightly more unpredictable about sort of the,
1183
00:52:33.739 --> 00:52:37.380
the physical elements of the makeup of these shows. And
1184
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:40.780
in front of the stage, the whole lawn or the,
1185
00:52:41.019 --> 00:52:43.940
you know, the football field at the LA Coliseum was
1186
00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:50.239
all folding chairs. So, uh, I don't know if any
1187
00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:53.590
of the six of you would like to guess where 40,000
1188
00:52:53.590 --> 00:52:58.670
folding chairs ended up about, you know, three songs into
1189
00:52:58.710 --> 00:52:59.809
the set. Yeah.
1190
00:52:59.909 --> 00:53:00.090
Yeah.
1191
00:53:00.130 --> 00:53:01.489
That's right.
1192
00:53:01.530 --> 00:53:04.809
All those, uh, whatever that was 30, 40, folding chairs
1193
00:53:04.929 --> 00:53:06.110
ended up on stage.
1194
00:53:06.289 --> 00:53:07.210
And you got them in.
1195
00:53:07.349 --> 00:53:09.829
And so we had to stop the show as all
1196
00:53:09.869 --> 00:53:14.070
these folding chairs were being, I mean, it was, I mean,
1197
00:53:14.090 --> 00:53:16.550
you talked earlier, Conan, about like you couldn't script some
1198
00:53:16.570 --> 00:53:17.050
of this shit.
1199
00:53:17.070 --> 00:53:17.380
Yeah, yeah.
1200
00:53:17.429 --> 00:53:18.849
I mean, you really couldn't script.
1201
00:53:18.659 --> 00:53:19.760
Some of these things. No, I once did a comedy
1202
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:22.219
show and I didn't know that it was lawn dart night.
1203
00:53:22.219 --> 00:53:25.000
35,000 people had a lawn dart underneath their chair.
1204
00:53:28.530 --> 00:53:31.619
I was killed I'm a ghost now that's where this
1205
00:53:31.659 --> 00:53:32.460
story goes.
1206
00:53:35.489 --> 00:53:38.050
I like the idea of Metallica having to stack neatly
1207
00:53:38.070 --> 00:53:40.210
the folding chairs on racks.
1208
00:53:40.349 --> 00:53:41.090
Excuse us.
1209
00:53:41.329 --> 00:53:43.510
We're going to cut Creeping Death short right now. We'll
1210
00:53:43.530 --> 00:53:46.230
be back in 30 minutes after we've stacked them.
1211
00:53:46.349 --> 00:53:46.769
I don't know why.
1212
00:53:46.789 --> 00:53:48.650
There's a meeting after this. We have to get these
1213
00:53:48.889 --> 00:53:49.969
to them in good condition.
1214
00:53:49.989 --> 00:53:52.969
I can't picture an old lady talking to James Hetfield
1215
00:53:52.989 --> 00:53:58.139
and saying, no, no, no. There's still seven cushions unaccounted for.
1216
00:53:58.570 --> 00:54:04.260
You're not going anywhere. All right. Hey, uh, Lars, you
1217
00:54:04.300 --> 00:54:06.440
are a busy man. Uh, you're about to leave on
1218
00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:09.380
a two year tour and my offer stands. I will
1219
00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:10.420
clear your audience.
1220
00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:12.900
Thank you. We will, uh, we'll take you up on that.
1221
00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:16.519
With my version of my, my take on Aqualung anytime, uh,
1222
00:54:17.059 --> 00:54:20.449
you need that, but, um, best of luck. 72 seasons
1223
00:54:20.650 --> 00:54:23.849
is the new album. The M 72 tour is, uh, starting.
1224
00:54:24.030 --> 00:54:26.889
I'm going to be there with my friend, Matt, please. And, um,
1225
00:54:27.420 --> 00:54:29.820
We're the same vintage and you inspire me.
1226
00:54:30.500 --> 00:54:31.889
What month are you born?
1227
00:54:31.949 --> 00:54:34.670
I was born April 18th, 1963.
1228
00:54:34.670 --> 00:54:36.690
Eight months older than I am. Yeah. In December.
1229
00:54:36.849 --> 00:54:38.269
Although on Wikipedia, I'm only 44.
1230
00:54:38.269 --> 00:54:38.449
Okay.
1231
00:54:39.769 --> 00:54:43.280
I have someone who just keeps putting that in. But anyway,
1232
00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:47.659
congratulations on your insane, crazy success and for sharing your
1233
00:54:47.699 --> 00:54:48.460
story with us.
1234
00:54:48.639 --> 00:54:51.019
Thank you. Thanks for having me. Great to see all
1235
00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:53.320
of you guys. We'll see everybody out there. We'll see
1236
00:54:53.340 --> 00:54:54.179
you guys at SoFi.
1237
00:54:54.559 --> 00:54:54.820
All right.
1238
00:54:55.099 --> 00:54:55.219
Okay.
1239
00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:55.909
Thanks a lot, Lars.
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Take care. Thank you.
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I have a suspicion that most of our fans are
1265
00:56:28.699 --> 00:56:33.980
hardcore sports fanatics. And I think we should talk about
1266
00:56:34.019 --> 00:56:39.500
baseball because baseball has changed significantly this season and everybody's
1267
00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:42.000
talking about it. I mean, this is a game that
1268
00:56:42.039 --> 00:56:46.239
has been around. It's been America's pastime forever. Going back
1269
00:56:46.260 --> 00:56:49.619
to the 19th century. And now they've fundamentally changed it
1270
00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:51.280
in these fascinating ways.
1271
00:56:51.610 --> 00:56:53.670
Well, you've come to the right two people.
1272
00:56:53.690 --> 00:56:56.409
You guys have any idea what's happening?
1273
00:56:56.449 --> 00:56:57.090
No clue.
1274
00:56:57.230 --> 00:56:59.090
Oh, wait, you know what? I heard that they did
1275
00:56:59.110 --> 00:57:01.230
a bunch of stuff to make the game go faster.
1276
00:57:01.269 --> 00:57:01.510
Yes.
1277
00:57:01.590 --> 00:57:03.800
Games were getting very long. And I think the average
1278
00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:07.440
game at one point was pushing three hours. More than
1279
00:57:07.460 --> 00:57:09.880
three hours. More than three hours. So Eduardo, feel free
1280
00:57:09.900 --> 00:57:11.679
to weigh in because you know about this. But one
1281
00:57:11.699 --> 00:57:13.500
of the things is there's a pitch clock. So you
1282
00:57:13.519 --> 00:57:16.719
know when you'll be watching baseball and The pitcher's fidgeting,
1283
00:57:16.739 --> 00:57:18.869
and then the batter steps out of the box, but
1284
00:57:18.889 --> 00:57:22.769
then gets back in again. You think, this is, come on,
1285
00:57:22.809 --> 00:57:23.329
let's go.
1286
00:57:23.349 --> 00:57:28.320
Yeah, so baseball players are notorious for being habitual everything,
1287
00:57:28.699 --> 00:57:32.119
and superstitious, excuse me. So they'll reset their batting glove
1288
00:57:32.199 --> 00:57:34.849
after every pitch. And so that's what would lead- To
1289
00:57:34.869 --> 00:57:37.110
the three hour game. But now there's a pitch clock.
1290
00:57:37.130 --> 00:57:39.789
There's a pitch clock. They also made, there's a pitch clock.
1291
00:57:39.809 --> 00:57:41.929
So the pitcher has to pitch by a certain time.
1292
00:57:42.050 --> 00:57:43.659
The batter can't be stepping out of the box all
1293
00:57:43.699 --> 00:57:44.079
the time.
1294
00:57:44.099 --> 00:57:44.460
Right.
1295
00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:47.380
It's like an automatic, you know, strike or ball.
1296
00:57:47.420 --> 00:57:47.599
Right.
1297
00:57:48.059 --> 00:57:51.119
If either the pitcher or the, or the batter, uh,
1298
00:57:51.539 --> 00:57:53.429
goes over. The other thing they did is they made
1299
00:57:53.469 --> 00:57:54.449
the bases bigger.
1300
00:57:54.469 --> 00:57:54.869
Yes.
1301
00:57:55.130 --> 00:57:56.289
Because, um.
1302
00:57:56.590 --> 00:57:56.929
How big?
1303
00:57:56.969 --> 00:57:57.750
Are we talking like 20 feet?
1304
00:57:57.789 --> 00:57:59.980
Well, so far. It's so funny.
1305
00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:01.260
Then I'd watch baseball.
1306
00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:02.000
Clown bases.
1307
00:58:02.900 --> 00:58:05.780
They're much larger. I think they're several inches larger, which
1308
00:58:05.820 --> 00:58:06.699
makes a huge difference.
1309
00:58:06.719 --> 00:58:10.420
A couple inches bigger, which encourages more stolen bases.
1310
00:58:10.780 --> 00:58:13.280
To make the game, because we were getting into a
1311
00:58:13.380 --> 00:58:16.219
rut where it was either massive home runs or strikeouts.
1312
00:58:16.280 --> 00:58:17.909
This is like what they did to the Oscars. Now
1313
00:58:17.949 --> 00:58:19.949
I'm understanding what you're talking about.
1314
00:58:20.010 --> 00:58:20.269
Oh, okay.
1315
00:58:20.570 --> 00:58:24.030
But it's got me thinking they should do more. I'm thinking,
1316
00:58:24.090 --> 00:58:26.289
and this is a thing I've always thought about, which is,
1317
00:58:26.309 --> 00:58:29.829
and just hear me out, baseball fans. If when you
1318
00:58:29.869 --> 00:58:31.889
hit the ball, you're up at the plate, you hit
1319
00:58:31.929 --> 00:58:34.650
the ball, you have the option. You can run to
1320
00:58:35.389 --> 00:58:38.630
first or you can run to third.
1321
00:58:38.650 --> 00:58:39.610
That would be really exciting.
1322
00:58:39.630 --> 00:58:43.840
Now check this out. Once you've committed to your base direction,
1323
00:58:44.260 --> 00:58:48.030
that remains your base direction until... Yeah, you have to.
1324
00:58:48.289 --> 00:58:49.630
So you have players. Now, here's the cool thing.
1325
00:58:49.650 --> 00:58:51.389
Oh, you can't just run to third and then suddenly
1326
00:58:51.429 --> 00:58:53.300
be on third and just have one more bait.
1327
00:58:53.320 --> 00:58:56.300
Of course not. Once you run to third, third essentially
1328
00:58:56.320 --> 00:58:59.280
becomes first. But this adds a whole level of strategy.
1329
00:58:59.559 --> 00:59:01.219
And I do want people to hear me out on
1330
00:59:01.260 --> 00:59:03.139
this and consider this. This is my platform.
1331
00:59:03.159 --> 00:59:04.130
I think it's a brilliant idea.
1332
00:59:04.210 --> 00:59:09.110
And so you have to make a split-second decision about,
1333
00:59:09.289 --> 00:59:11.019
I hit the ball. am I running to first or
1334
00:59:11.039 --> 00:59:13.699
am I running to third? And it changes everything. Now,
1335
00:59:14.099 --> 00:59:17.179
here's the cool thing. If you do this, you start
1336
00:59:17.199 --> 00:59:20.900
to get players crossing each other in the base path, okay?
1337
00:59:21.059 --> 00:59:22.690
Do they have to high-five or do they.
1338
00:59:22.639 --> 00:59:23.489
Have to acknowledge each other?
1339
00:59:23.510 --> 00:59:24.409
No, they have to do a London Bridge.
1340
00:59:24.590 --> 00:59:24.789
No, no.
1341
00:59:24.809 --> 00:59:28.400
Goddamn it. You don't, this is what happens. When players
1342
00:59:28.530 --> 00:59:32.050
cross each other, you use special effects. One of them,
1343
00:59:32.210 --> 00:59:35.369
it's not dangerous, they're wearing special suits, but when they
1344
00:59:35.469 --> 00:59:39.880
cross each other, both catch fire briefly. It would look
1345
00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:42.500
so fucking cool. Okay, you had me until this point. No,
1346
00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:45.280
there'd be like a pyrotechnic burst as they crossed each other.
1347
00:59:46.820 --> 00:59:49.210
And it would look so cool. Can you imagine on
1348
00:59:49.250 --> 00:59:52.289
instant replay like a burst of flame behind each of
1349
00:59:52.329 --> 00:59:55.369
their backs? They're fine. They're safe. But just as they
1350
00:59:55.409 --> 00:59:59.099
pass each other, people would be watching the game hoping
1351
00:59:59.260 --> 01:00:01.139
that players would cross each other on the base pass
1352
01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:02.460
so they'd see that burst of flame.
1353
01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:04.860
It's like Hunger Games because she has that dress that
1354
01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:05.480
goes on fire.
1355
01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:08.579
Exactly. And a lot of our sports fans listening right now.
1356
01:00:08.599 --> 01:00:11.980
Really trying to understand this by putting it from his perspective.
1357
01:00:12.019 --> 01:00:12.920
Yeah, movies.
1358
01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:13.449
Okay.
1359
01:00:13.570 --> 01:00:13.909
All right.
1360
01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:15.550
I don't know about the fire.
1361
01:00:15.570 --> 01:00:17.250
Okay, that might have been stupid.
1362
01:00:17.309 --> 01:00:17.949
The fire was.
1363
01:00:18.269 --> 01:00:20.929
But what about it? Eduardo, what do you think?
1364
01:00:21.369 --> 01:00:24.050
I like the idea of being able to run whichever
1365
01:00:24.090 --> 01:00:26.650
direction you want. But then what do you do when
1366
01:00:26.710 --> 01:00:28.269
you hit for a double, right?
1367
01:00:28.349 --> 01:00:29.269
And you got to run a second.
1368
01:00:29.869 --> 01:00:31.469
You always get it to second.
1369
01:00:31.750 --> 01:00:33.250
But then you can get two people out at the
1370
01:00:33.289 --> 01:00:34.909
same time without even doing a double play.
1371
01:00:34.929 --> 01:00:35.269
It depends.
1372
01:00:35.309 --> 01:00:36.880
How do double plays work exactly?
1373
01:00:36.949 --> 01:00:39.519
Yeah, you just step on one base and both of
1374
01:00:39.539 --> 01:00:40.119
them are out?
1375
01:00:41.139 --> 01:00:42.920
I don't understand. No, no, no. That would have to
1376
01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:45.599
be adjusted. And again, that's where I think the flames
1377
01:00:45.659 --> 01:00:49.769
might help. Don't trust me. The flames are, I know
1378
01:00:49.789 --> 01:00:52.650
it's a little theatrical, but- A little. Well, I'm going
1379
01:00:52.670 --> 01:00:55.510
to stick to it. Okay. But I know there's stuff
1380
01:00:55.530 --> 01:00:57.909
that needs to be worked out. I'm not saying that,
1381
01:00:58.210 --> 01:01:00.070
That this is automatically, okay, done.
1382
01:01:00.090 --> 01:01:03.739
This is interesting, though, because aren't people chosen just because
1383
01:01:03.780 --> 01:01:05.619
they play first base really well, but now they'd have
1384
01:01:05.639 --> 01:01:07.400
to be good at first and essentially third?
1385
01:01:07.900 --> 01:01:10.360
Right, but also what if then teams would know the
1386
01:01:10.539 --> 01:01:12.940
guy at third base isn't as great, we're going to
1387
01:01:13.059 --> 01:01:15.239
quickly hit the ball and he's going to go to third.
1388
01:01:17.010 --> 01:01:19.329
But that may end up being a mistake depending on
1389
01:01:19.349 --> 01:01:20.969
where the other hitters in the lineup hit.
1390
01:01:21.030 --> 01:01:21.230
Right.
1391
01:01:21.429 --> 01:01:24.869
So I think we're basically going is from checkers to
1392
01:01:24.909 --> 01:01:25.949
three-dimensional chess.
1393
01:01:26.170 --> 01:01:26.309
Oh.
1394
01:01:26.489 --> 01:01:26.929
I agree.
1395
01:01:27.030 --> 01:01:27.869
I think this is great.
1396
01:01:27.949 --> 01:01:30.630
Is it still called first, second, and third base? I mean,
1397
01:01:30.690 --> 01:01:31.170
is it like.
1398
01:01:31.210 --> 01:01:32.010
Oh, good question.
1399
01:01:32.360 --> 01:01:32.550
Well.
1400
01:01:32.949 --> 01:01:33.480
Third should be.
1401
01:01:33.489 --> 01:01:33.550
No.
1402
01:01:33.969 --> 01:01:34.159
No.
1403
01:01:34.380 --> 01:01:37.219
First. No, no, no. And then first.
1404
01:01:37.739 --> 01:01:39.679
Clearly we've chosen the right committee for this.
1405
01:01:40.679 --> 01:01:42.840
Listen. I like this. It should just be second.
1406
01:01:42.900 --> 01:01:43.039
Yeah.
1407
01:01:43.059 --> 01:01:43.239
Yeah.
1408
01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:44.179
Second will always be second.
1409
01:01:44.199 --> 01:01:44.440
Yeah.
1410
01:01:44.460 --> 01:01:48.010
Yeah. But if you want, if third is thirst, then
1411
01:01:48.159 --> 01:01:48.610
so be it.
1412
01:01:48.719 --> 01:01:50.460
Thirst, furred, and second.
1413
01:01:50.519 --> 01:01:51.400
What's on thirst?
1414
01:01:51.860 --> 01:01:52.699
Yes.
1415
01:01:53.159 --> 01:01:54.659
Third base. Thirst base.
1416
01:01:54.699 --> 01:01:55.219
Furred base.
1417
01:01:56.840 --> 01:01:58.760
I just think there was a bunch of new ways
1418
01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:00.679
to improve the game. I agree.
1419
01:02:01.090 --> 01:02:02.489
Is this helping the time stuff?
1420
01:02:03.010 --> 01:02:05.610
No, it doesn't. Actually, the game's sped up now, which
1421
01:02:05.630 --> 01:02:05.769
is good.
1422
01:02:05.789 --> 01:02:07.269
Somebody has to put out the fire, though, right? So
1423
01:02:07.289 --> 01:02:08.150
that's going to take time.
1424
01:02:08.190 --> 01:02:08.469
No, no, no.
1425
01:02:08.510 --> 01:02:11.289
The fire is not. Let's not be silly about the fire.
1426
01:02:12.590 --> 01:02:16.119
The fire is not a thing to be. ridiculed or...
1427
01:02:16.860 --> 01:02:19.300
This isn't funny. What it is is it's just a
1428
01:02:19.380 --> 01:02:23.679
quick pyrotechnic burst when they cross each other. And it's
1429
01:02:23.699 --> 01:02:24.760
just going to look very cool.
1430
01:02:24.980 --> 01:02:27.780
No one's... What are they wearing? They have stuff on
1431
01:02:27.820 --> 01:02:29.420
their head that's fireproof.
1432
01:02:29.440 --> 01:02:29.920
No, no.
1433
01:02:29.940 --> 01:02:31.599
My hair caught on fire.
1434
01:02:31.400 --> 01:02:33.679
Once just by blowing out a birthday candle.
1435
01:02:34.030 --> 01:02:35.820
So it's so easy.
1436
01:02:35.840 --> 01:02:39.030
Sona, the amount of stuff in your hair... Come on. No,
1437
01:02:39.090 --> 01:02:40.789
it's so, it's ridiculous what's in there.
1438
01:02:40.809 --> 01:02:42.269
I was just saying, it's so easy for something to
1439
01:02:42.309 --> 01:02:43.179
catch on fire.
1440
01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:47.039
You practically work candle wax into your hair every morning.
1441
01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:49.039
You're one to talk.
1442
01:02:49.300 --> 01:02:52.659
Oh, please. There's nothing in here. There's just some mayonnaise
1443
01:02:52.719 --> 01:02:55.760
and some spackle. And that's it. I'm not going to
1444
01:02:55.800 --> 01:02:56.210
be ridiculed.
1445
01:02:56.250 --> 01:02:58.250
I just think a lot of people are going to die.
1446
01:02:58.269 --> 01:02:59.929
That would make it more exciting. Well, first of all,
1447
01:03:00.110 --> 01:03:02.570
that would get some attention. But Eduardo, that's what I'm
1448
01:03:02.590 --> 01:03:05.170
pitching is we keep all the changes they've made, but
1449
01:03:05.210 --> 01:03:08.599
when you hit the ball, you can choose your own
1450
01:03:08.639 --> 01:03:09.159
base path.
1451
01:03:09.320 --> 01:03:09.780
I like it.
1452
01:03:10.179 --> 01:03:13.119
And I would like the league to start considering my ideas.
1453
01:03:13.800 --> 01:03:16.300
I think that baseball has taken the first step, but
1454
01:03:16.340 --> 01:03:18.489
needs to take literally maybe nine more steps.
1455
01:03:18.510 --> 01:03:23.239
You want to like professional wrestling, put that. veneer on baseball, basically.
1456
01:03:23.260 --> 01:03:23.880
You want that treatment.
1457
01:03:23.900 --> 01:03:26.179
I want the bats to be made of different materials.
1458
01:03:26.239 --> 01:03:29.400
So the balls move much, much more quickly and are
1459
01:03:29.420 --> 01:03:31.800
more lethal. And, um, I think that's going to be
1460
01:03:31.840 --> 01:03:34.659
cool because then there's going to be a real scary element.
1461
01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:37.449
I got it on that. And this kind of thematically
1462
01:03:37.489 --> 01:03:40.170
goes with your basis thing. So they don't have a bat.
1463
01:03:40.210 --> 01:03:42.329
They have a broadsword. And they can hit it with
1464
01:03:42.369 --> 01:03:44.449
the flat end like a bat. Or they can hit
1465
01:03:44.469 --> 01:03:46.090
it with the sharp end and it splits the ball
1466
01:03:46.110 --> 01:03:49.260
in two. And so then they're headed towards either.
1467
01:03:49.079 --> 01:03:51.960
Thirst or fur. And you have to field both halves. Yes.
1468
01:03:52.619 --> 01:03:53.619
And by the time they get home.
1469
01:03:54.019 --> 01:03:56.949
But there's a little gold coin in the ball that
1470
01:03:57.030 --> 01:03:58.969
comes free when you cut it in half. And if
1471
01:03:59.010 --> 01:04:02.329
an opposing player can get to that coin and swallow it,
1472
01:04:02.989 --> 01:04:03.719
then everybody's out.
1473
01:04:03.730 --> 01:04:04.329
Now we're talking.
1474
01:04:04.349 --> 01:04:04.809
Is it chocolate?
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01:04:05.429 --> 01:04:07.090
It's got a little chocolate in it. Oh, cool.
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Yeah.
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I like that. But also for reasons I don't understand,
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some asbestos as well.
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Yes.
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Oh, man. Listen, I'm just, baseball, I'm here. Yeah. And
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I am ready to talk because- You.
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Just want baseball to contact you.
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Yeah. I want the concept of baseball. I don't want
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to hear from Major League Baseball. Boring. I want the
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concept of baseball to fill me.
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Can there be like, I don't know, robots? Are there
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robots in the Japanese league?
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I had a robot waiter come serve me at Hoff's
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Hut the other day.
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So they could do it at baseball.
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Yeah, you could baseball.
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Each team could have one robot.
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They're talking about having robot umpires.
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Well, there should be.
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In two seasons.
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Oh, that's cool. But not, you're just talking about the
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same kind of robot that tells you when i'm thinking
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no no you're talking about the kind of robot that
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says the ball was uh over the line in tennis
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which is basically just a sophisticated laser system we want
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real it is my turn to bat suck on this
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we want those kind of robots clink clank clink clank.
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Yeah did you ever play baseball.
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I played stickball a lot when I was a kid.
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01:05:16.349 --> 01:05:19.090
Okay, so you're not coming from like a position of like,
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I played this.
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And I know what needs to change. Yeah, you didn't
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play any Little League?
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No, I tried to play Little League when I was
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in my 30s and I was discouraged.
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I didn't play Little League either. You say it like every.
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I thought every kid played Little League baseball.
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We did have a stickball. We had a wall that
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had a spray painted strike zone and I played stickball
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a lot, which I loved. And we would play it
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with a tennis ball.
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Okay.
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It was a lot of fun.
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You were a little rascal.
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I really was. And I played it and yeah, I
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would sell newspapers that said the Hindenburg exploded and then
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I would go play stickball with my friends. And then
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01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:53.059
it was time for all of us to go up
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01:05:53.099 --> 01:05:55.820
to our tenement house and Ma would cook us some
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yam stew. Then we'd listen to Roosevelt on the radio.
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All right, that's it for now. I'm waiting for your call, baseball.
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