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Speaker 1: To be reminded, but it bears repeating. I'll say it anyway. As for the usual, just think about it. Restaurants, sit down restaurants are expected to be booked in at capacity for tomorrow and Sunday. You're not gonna have a problem driving through McDonald's, Culver's, Wendy's or you're not gonna have a problem doing that. But the sit down restaurants places where you can take reservations. I know there's some that on Mother's Day, Valentine's Day and stuff like that, they don't even take risky well not at all, they won't because that that slows down the money flow anyway. So just be prepared and just think ahead. But they are expected to be booked in at capacity for tomorrow, especially and definitely on Sunday. And speaking of Sunday, if you happen to have your special pew or special spot at church, you'd better get there early, get there early enough to claim it, because as we all know, churches are traditionally packed on Mother's Day as well.
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Speaker 2: That's true.
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Speaker 1: What was that they called CME Christmas, Mother's Day.
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Speaker 2: And Easter.
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Speaker 1: The time, well, a lot of people are dubbed CMEs because that's the only time you see them.
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Speaker 3: Many other time then yeah.
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Speaker 1: See ceme, I'm a cmeme. Christmas Mother's Day in Easter is when they are you know, expected to be there. But anyway, uh so, yeah, I just plan ahead for that, plan to get to church early, just like on Eastern Christmas Mother's Day. You got to get there early and don't be upset and get your jaws all tight a church of somebody sitting in your spot, in your place. It was so funny. I was at church last week and it was there was somebody that was sitting, you know, kind of like way back in the day that series Archie All in their family Archie Bunker Kid out of my chair. Yeah, you'll get out of my spot. And this one person looked at another and they said, oh oh and they just had the look and yeah. Another friend of mine and I were we just we just cracked up and everybody left. It was all in good day, you know, it was all in good spirit there. But and finally, I'd like to wish my daughter a happy birthday. Her birthday falls exactly on Mother's Day this year, Sunday, May the tenth. She's an adult now, but I have to tell you, Eric, it was rough when she was little, she was younger, you know, her birthday was always either on the day before, the day of or the day after. On the day day before or the day of, so it was either Saturday Monday or Saturday Sunday or Monday. Anyway, it was always Mother's day. Mother's Day took up all the air in the room. And much like those whose birthdays are on holidays like Christmas New Year's Eve, they have to share, uh, the attention, intend to get older, and it's especially difficult for a child. I always felt sorry for the kids, the youngsters whose birthdays fell on Christmas, because families would tell them, well, here's your Christmas and birthday and everything. I don't want to take it.
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Speaker 2: That's true.
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Speaker 4: I've got family members this happens every year and be scrowing up it did.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I've also had family members say, well, what do you want, because you know, Christmas or your birthday? Which one? Pick one because I'm not given both? Well why not they both exist? I don't know, but they both exist, It's true, so why does it? But anyway, we again, it's not so easy for a child, probably not so easy for some adults maybe still to this day because they don't like to share the holiday, but that's true. We've always found a work around. Uh and again, U, she's all grown up now, so thankfully that birthday, Mother's Day drama days are over, older and over. Yeah. She In fact, she kind of chuckles about it a little bit, but she said, she told me yesterday, I'm used to it, and you know, what do you want? I was like, oh my, she thought, because I mean she used to be so consumed with Mother's Day and her birthday. Sometimes she forget. But so that's all good. On the show today again our number three one seven four eight zero thirteen ten. Three one seven four eight zero thirteen ten, we have an update for you on the case of the Pendleton two. In the case of the Pendleton two, a case you've been hearing about right here on Community Connection over the past few years. It's a case brought to our attention largely due to the efforts of contributing analyst James Patterson. James joins us now for this Friday on Community Connection. James, welcome back.
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Speaker 5: Oh, thank you, Tina. Glad to be here today. Yeah, absolutely, two days after I was here. I'm glad to be back.
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Speaker 1: So the weather, the weather report, We'll just get straight.
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Speaker 5: To that weather well yeah yeah, so yeah, wait for Eric to play Astle Skinger there. But it's not a bad forecast overall. We should see a fairly warn day today with some chance, I think pretty favorable of scattered showers pushing through the area late this afternoon and into the evening. I'm looking at the ACI Weather Radar radar picture right here on my screen, and it's already invaded the border between Indiana and Illinois going east, so it's coming from the west. So it looks like we'll get some scattered you know. I'm not saying that everybody will get it, but there's a good chance that we'll have rain later today. I was just looking outside. We expect a mixture of clouds and sun this afternoon, with of course the rain coming in the clouds will eventually dominate Tina as the precipitation reaches central Indiana. The rain drop should be with us for the afternoon and evening. So if you've got things you want to do this evening outside, I would, you know, definitely plan for the rain coming down. It was sixty four degrees as we come on the air today and temperature should slide into the upper sixties. Now that all depends. If the clouds really really push in and you know, are dominating, then we may not make it up to sixty seven or sixty eight, which is where I think it should go. So we should see rain later today with somewhat milder temperatures, and that rain will get out here hopefully by tomorrow, which should be a much much better day, sunnier and warmer.
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Speaker 4: Hey, James, can we do something for a moment? Sure, just and we wish Tina a happy Mother's day.
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Speaker 5: Yank you mother, Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's always a happy one when I'm I'm just here, so I appreciate it. Thank you all so much. That's very Yeah, Oh it was well, I have to give her around, give her a birthday. Yeah, the election is eric.
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Speaker 4: She is making me older.
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Speaker 5: That's a good way to put it. Indeed, But you know, I was just going to say that Mother's Day is kind of you know, it's not you know, you don't get it off. It's not like quote official official holiday, but it is certainly uh honored and respected and celebrated by just about everybody in this nation, and and and deservingly so, because the mothers are really the lunchpin of the family in my view, and they deserve to be honored. They go above and beyond so that that you know, celebratory sound that Eric played is less than appropriate for what they do. It is.
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Speaker 1: Yes, well, indeed, thank you so much, and James and Eric, I'm sure I want to wish a happy Mother's Day to all of the mothers and mother type figures in your lives, because you know, as I say, anyone and everyone that has stood in the gap. It doesn't necessarily have to be just moms, and I don't I don't like to leave them out either. But you know, certainly your wives, your daughters, you know all. You know, everybody's done something that's true worthy of Forget that an a cousin, cousin uncle. You know sometimes uncles are down there right there, all of them. So so you both are not going to forget your your wife. Oh no, no, no, I know y'all like to go back to the house, so I'm.
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Speaker 5: Sure I forget we like we like to sleep inside.
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Speaker 4: All of a sudden the key doesn't work again.
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Speaker 1: Changed changed, indeed, So but yeah, so thank you all so much for that. That's very kind and where I'm really looking forward. And James can't thank you enough for bringing the case of the penalty too to the show because I had not you know, I had not heard about it and other folks in the community. I think the cause is I think it's the word is spreading. The efforts continue. I think they're intensively. Anyway, I'm looking forward to to having Jock and and a special guest that he's bringing along, pardon Foxy, Foxy. Yeah, Jack and Foxy his special guest, Foxy. I'm looking forward to them both being here and it'll you know, and getting an update and some other exciting news. So we're looking forward to that.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know. And Dina, we cannot I just can't. I can't rest. I mean, we cannot sleep as long as these two men are incarcerated for basically standing up for somebody else who was being abused by prison guards. And no one was hurt, no one was hospitalized, you know, no one certainly was killed, and then they're getting combined two hundred years for standing up and the guards, I mean, let's just put it out there, the white racist guards who call themselves racist in their actions and deeds, and and you know, literally nothing happened to them at all. So I just can't rest when that much abuse, when especially what we're seeing today trying to turn the clock back to you know, a Jim Crow giving us no rights, no votes, nothing, want to take everything from us that we have fought so hard for. So these two men deserve And you know, we'll tell you what's I'll leave it, you know, as sort of a surprise, what's coming up with them, But at least there's an opportunity, and we you know, we want to tell people about that and how they can help.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's about fifteen twenty minutes away from now, so please stay tuned for that update. Let's go, Let's go back to the phone lines. Jeff, go ahead. How are you.
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Speaker 6: Happy Friday? Everybody?
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Speaker 1: Happy Friday? Happy Friday? Kah, it's a good one.
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Speaker 6: Arrogant change the happy happy mother.
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Speaker 7: They tina to my mother, a happy.
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Speaker 6: Heavily mother's day and day doesn't know about we don't think about you so and uh a special affair well to my little buddy Coco. She's no alonger with us, she's a shoot see and uh let me see and she left us yesterday. So I'm a little bit bummed up, but I'm okay, I will be fine, but I can miss my little buddy.
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Speaker 8: So anyway, but Tina and uh, you know and things.
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Speaker 6: The mother is out there, Happy Mother's Day.
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Speaker 7: But now I want to address your show yesterday.
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Speaker 8: And uh, you know, Tina all Dia is a conserant professional you.
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Speaker 6: James and Eric, but it isn't regards to your guest yesterday, Aftual and uh you know, yeah, after anybody knows you're smart, you're brilliant, you got to the statistics. But at the same time you're also a bit of a legend in your own mind.
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Speaker 7: The reason I bring that up because I was wondering I even mentioned this to Eric yesterday is just the Tina Gazi show or just after a Kim Shabas show, And I don't know, you know, I thought he was just very disrespectful, condescending. And you know, mister Russell one of the most.
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Speaker 8: Reasonable, level headed people in the world and he doesn't.
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Speaker 7: Need me to speak up for him. But the way Abdul.
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Speaker 9: Addressed him was just totally out of life, okay. And I heard on those white guys stations, you don't talk to those white guys. When he talked to your your viewers and your listener set him. So you know that that just really rough me the wrong way. I remember having him from Amys Brown Day that Amy's used to eat his lunch and he used to call me name brother a.
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Speaker 8: Most call him a bunch of names all the time.
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Speaker 9: But you know, I view you're smart, but like I said, you're a bit of a narciss statement a legend in your own mind. And uh, and I just thought the way he talked to mister Russell, I just they just wrought me the wrong Like I said, mister Russell would need me to speak up for and so you know, he's a gentleman and a decent man.
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Speaker 7: And the way I do was addressing everybody. You know, he can go play with the alligators for all I care.
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Speaker 1: Well, can you refresh my memory because I I'm not sure I heard did you Eric, did you hear anything? I'm not quite sure I didn't catch it.
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Speaker 9: I apologize, Yeah, well he said something about voting or something. I agree that he told, uh, mister Russell to the effect that you know what your factor just hang up and call them to other time. I'm like, wait a minute, he said to me. He goes, yeah, that was my phone clicking because he when I get those text messis there was a dollar sign. That's part of my job, you know, when christ looking forward and GM these parts. Hey, I got to answer that, okay, and uh, you know, it was just mister was asked a legitimate question. Heyte was just very dismissive.
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Speaker 10: I mean, excuse me, you.
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Speaker 7: Have he was very dismissive, and you know, hold down to the man.
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Speaker 8: And you know, you being a build a bully, you know you're not bully material truck.
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Speaker 3: You're not.
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Speaker 8: You know you're not.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to pay closer attention because you know the persona, his persona is that and I don't I have not listened to him talked to callers on his show on w i b C on Saturday afternoons. I have to admit, I.
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Speaker 8: Don't, you know, get your backs trade or something. It was just out of line, you know, and mister exactly what it was.
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Speaker 9: But well, okay, you know, yeah, I remember had to put him in check a few times because of that was the.
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Speaker 1: That was the the interest that a lot of folks, and that's why they did a show together briefly because you know, point counterpoints. So yeah, that was that was the whole thing, was one all the time. Well there you go, there you go.
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Speaker 7: You know, I don't I don't have no political views.
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Speaker 1: But it was just this, you know, it's just kind of okay, I'll go back and listen to it, Jeff, I'll go back and listen to it.
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Speaker 8: Okay, Yeah, I think there was an audio trouble there to catch a part.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, and believe you me, there were some There was a long stretch that no one and thank you, thank you, Jeff. I appreciate a long stretch where the listeners didn't know. But I couldn't hear anything. I couldn't hear any on air audio through my headsets, remember Eric, and the note is still right here on our chat. And it went on for for quite a while, and I think Eric talked well. So I was probably distracted maybe during that time, because it is distracting, yeah, because you have to have the headphones, yeah you do, but mine were working and then you were coming in uh to the studio to bring me another set. And in the meantime in between that, either Eric was still talking, or Abdual kept talking because he saw what was going on.
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Speaker 2: He was still talking, Yeah, he was.
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Speaker 1: He was still talking and I couldn't. So maybe that was one of the periods when that happened. Robert, go ahead, how are you.
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Speaker 3: I'm doing fid heavy Mother's Day t all the mothers be in the world.
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Speaker 1: Well, thank you, happy mother. Yeah we Happy Mother's Day to all the mothers out there. I always say.
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Speaker 3: Yes, every Mother's day in life without the only way you can have life. It's still a woman every mother'sday. Dog the women. In a way being a man, there's no more fun than having women out there. I love him. Okay, it's a bad boy, all them, but I love him. I had but I called to say that you did a spectacular job. Ah in this uh political Michael. He was very particulate. There a lot of names stone at you and a lot of issues done at you, and you just staffed a good job.
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Speaker 11: And that's what thank you.
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Speaker 1: That's what I didn't. You know, I didn't get it all exactly right every time, but I corrected as best I could. So there's a lot to it. Yeah, there's a lot to it.
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Speaker 3: So the thing man is all those names. You know what I'm saying. But you handled it. How about a book? A book? What was it? It was like black soldiers and the name. I opened the book and it wasn't nothing but a bunch of names. And I'm not a good reading like that. And I put that book. I bought that book and put it on the ship because I couldn't hand it to be names and I couldn't. I'm not a real fast reader anyway. But you and the y'all handled that very well because they're on the name and the locations.
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Speaker 12: Uh.
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Speaker 3: Like I said, I work again for Washington, and it was it was just terrible how they're how political. Some people don't know what poplics is. They just don't know. They shot up by office the pot. They just don't know. You know, this is a dirty business. Uh, And it's all about business to it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but uh it's not easy. No, I can't. I mean, I have to admire politicians because there's a whole there's a whole lot to it. There's a lot to it, awful lot to it.
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Speaker 3: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Enjoy you too, thank you. Indeed, so yeah and speaking of politics, it's we got how much time now, Eric and James? How many months until November to start getting folks?
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Speaker 2: Six months?
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Speaker 4: Is six months, James?
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Speaker 3: Or is it?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it'll be it's just over six months. Yeah. Wait a minute. This is the fifth we go the eleventh, so yeah, it's just right around it'll be. Let's see in June it would be exactly five months to elections. So it's under six months now, it's under six.
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Speaker 1: Months, less than six months.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I like this one. I like this one sign. I was, you know, I was looking at the news broadcasts and uh, one report had you know, they were talking about the protesters. You guys, they're talking about the protesters, and you know there's constant protesters. There's constant protests against this government. And one sign I like to read the signs. That one sign intrigued me. It said November is coming. Three words November is coming, so it's counting down. And another thing is they're not the Congress is not going to be in session too many more days. I got a little chart that shows how many days are going to be in session. I mean out of all the you know days in that in that five months coming up on when we get to to June third, it'll be exactly five months, I think, yeah, June third, it'll be five months. And out of all of that, you guys, they'll be in session probably less than forty five days. That much time, No, but they've taken that time off based on their calendar. And you know, they get paid really well, uh to do that job, and so they just you know, they they've got you know, before even the summer break starts August in the first of August, sometimes a whole little longer, but they are off the whole month until after Labor Day, sometime after Labor Day, and then you're into the election season and nothing gets passed, nothing gets done. But before then they've got they've got let me see, they've got Memorial Day holiday, They've got Juneteenth, they've got July, uh, the fourth of July, I mean, and then there's just there's just I mean when they're in session. I saw the calendar, it's like two or three days at a time, man, I mean, it's just nothing. You know, they'll come back to pass what they want to pass, like they're going to try to get this this this bill through to fun ice through uh, this process called reconciliation. You know, they'll come back for that for two or threes, then they're off again. So it's it's coming. It's coming, and that's what people should really be. And by the way, Teama, you talked about the vote not good enough. I think it was fifteen point eight percent in the primary. But you know what, that's progress. I'll take it. I'll take it because usually people less than to the Indiana, which is not good at all. But to double that, I'll take it. You know, people are engaged and we need to do more. There was a lady who came by my home to she does my wife's hair and she cuts my hair. And she was just so busy because she's trying to do something because she's going on a trip. She was just so busy. I said, have you voted yet? This was this was on election day and she said no, no, what time is it? I said, you got till six o'clock? It was like four something. She's like, I can get over there, I can get over there. But I don't even know if she made it because she had one appointment after the other. You see, we have that's the primary, but we can't do that when the general election comes, we need all hands on deck. We need everybody.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't I don't know how to stress that anymore. It made perfect sense, It made perfect and I just have to refuel. That's all. That's all we just had. We all have to refuel because you know, we put you know, everything into getting the primary and and yes, participation was up, but and that's and I was one of the first to say, I'll take that. That's a victory. That's a victory. But we cannot sit back and think that that's okay, we've arrived and that's it, because it's still it's still awful numbers. I mean when you consider, you know, fifteen percent showed up, well, eighty five percent stay don't so, I mean, there's there's a lot of ways you can look at it. Now, did fifteen percent beat eight point six four percent? Absolutely, and positively, But we still have a long way to go, and and I you know, I guess we can get our numbers for what is it, midterm general elections? Uh, you know we lets I'm going to dig some of those up and see what numbers we have to beat, what we have to top, uh, in order to make an impact.
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Speaker 4: It would be nice to know just from those people who stayed home, why why they didn't you know, why they didn't both.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just find out, Like.
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Speaker 5: I would just give you an example, I do think, but there are chances before then, and so we can't just wait till the last minute because we might not be able to do it. Then anything can happen. It was raining that day, you know, at least, you know, light rain on and off all day, and that's always going to depress the turnout. But it shouldn't. It shouldn't deter us from doing what we need to do. No, because really the attacks are against this now, really they are.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 1: It may be a little bit more too. Of what Representative Carson said early on in the you know, early on this year, is that and maybe he said it late last year. Anyway, he said it, we haven't felt enough pain yet because a lot of the civil rights movement and when and when voting was at its highest, was the result of you know, we were we felt the paint. You know, we were reacting to the absolute onslaught of sustained painful existence that we no longer were going to tolerate.
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Speaker 5: And so, you know, I.
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Speaker 3: Agree with that.
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Speaker 8: I agree with that.
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Speaker 1: I hope we don't get there.
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Speaker 2: Definitely.
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Speaker 5: People came out to those rallies and stuff and marched and stuff because they couldn't take it anymore.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, oh, exactly, that's true. It was just unsustained. It was unbearable. It was unbearable. But do we have to get there again? Do we have to go to unbearable again?
00:26:47
Speaker 5: To gas? Gas? And they said this morning it's over six dollars a gallon in California.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what, you know, Well, I had to pay the last time I went, which was day before yesterday, it was five dollars and nine sense.
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Speaker 5: It's still five something five and that was they haven't lowered it from his little Uh.
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Speaker 1: But everything is wonderful, Everything is beautiful, it's great. It's never been better. This is the best in the history of humankind. Earth has never seen anything any better than this. So it's all good. Yeah, it's lovely, it's great. It's you know, people are just being negative and that's not real.
00:27:26
Speaker 2: And you know, so those glasses are super dark.
00:27:29
Speaker 1: Then now join me in my reality because I don't exist in yours, So I guess I don't know.
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Speaker 13: But.
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Speaker 5: Because we care about the people. But then everything in individual lives are looking at well. I'm good, yeah, but when you start feeling that pain, indeed you will do something to help yourself.
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Speaker 1: Pendleton too, the latest and some more coming up right after this. Let's take a quick break.
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Speaker 14: Let's get back to the conversation. It's Community Connection with Tina Cosby, brought to you by Child Advocates, a champion for justice, opportunity and well being for children on Praise Am thirteen ten ninety five point one FM.
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Speaker 1: And we're back with Community Connection. About to start our segment regarding the Penulton two and the latest and the updates. But before we get to that, have a very quick call to get to that. We didn't we weren't able to squeeze in before we went to break the last time. Kim Boyd, Kim, how are you hey?
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Speaker 3: Good?
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Speaker 15: And James how are you both good?
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Speaker 5: Good?
00:28:40
Speaker 1: Happy Mother's Day to you and the same to you. My sister, Thank you, my sister, I appreciate thank you.
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Speaker 15: I just wanted to say I tried to get in yesterday when a duel was on m but I wanted to ask the question and more I'm talking about the processes of hot these seeing Katha and like with Bobby Kern.
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Speaker 1: You know, yes, yes, yes, that was puzzling to me.
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Speaker 15: Yes, And so you know, I've had an initial conversation with Carlo Lopez, you know about these things that occurring whether people vote either you know, out of defiance to the system in his memory or whatever. But a question I had posed to Mirror Indy Arianna Beaunty about a month or so ago. I have a concern also, and this goes to the processes and why I was trying to get in on that duel yesterday. How is and what are the qualifiers for a Secretary of State, which is like the third most important position in the state of Indiana that Ballard is running as an independent when he's a registered Republican. And so I'm looking at the processes in the criteria again as to who are looking at these processes as opposed to people just going to a ballot and just arbitrarily picking out what's presented in front of them without making an informed and acknowledgeable decision. It's not to being former mayor ballot in any ways to understand the process, because I'm sure it is initial money is coming from the Republican Party, you know.
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Speaker 8: Because Diego morality has had some issues. Again, I'm looking.
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Speaker 15: At the processes because just like with the PCs through the Democratic Party, that were all you know, just allowed because they hadn't voted in the previous primary. Right, So what are those processes that dictate that a man who was a Republican elected and won in office? What are those processes looking like to qualify an individual to run under a different party. So that was my question.
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Speaker 1: Well, I I certainly am going to have to get an answer for you because I don't know. I know that certain people leave parties and go to either other parties or declare themselves independent. I don't know what that process entails, and I don't know how that process impacts how you run for office. So but I'd be happy to research it for you and find a you know, talk to the name James, Eric, Do either of you know the answer to Kim's question?
00:31:29
Speaker 5: James?
00:31:29
Speaker 1: You do, James?
00:31:30
Speaker 2: You know, James is still there? James, Okay, he's still connected?
00:31:37
Speaker 1: Is he still connected?
00:31:38
Speaker 15: And again, it's just.
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Speaker 5: So that voters could be Kim, Yeah, Kim, I just look it up while you're I don't know. I'm like Tina and Eric, but it says here. I just look it up. How to run as an independent Indiana U. Let's see, all Indiana candidates including independence be a US citizen, be at least a minimum age of office twenty one for House, twenty five for Senate, thirty for governor or lieutenant governor. Have lived in Indiana for the required period before the election. So you got to do the same thing that a Republican or Democrat does. Let's see, Indiana does not have a right in only option for most offices. You must file a declaration of candidacy with the appropriate election authority state federal offices. You know, it just says I guess you can just let's see ballot access for independence. Indiana uses a semi open primary system. Independents can run in primaries and general elections, but they must meet the two and a half percent threshold for state federal offices to appear on the general ballot.
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Speaker 1: So let's see, for example, it's a petition.
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Speaker 5: And honest, meaning not a Republican or Democrats must collect two percent of the total volts cast for the Secretary of State in the district in the last election. So there's your answer, Kim. They've got to get uh.
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Speaker 15: Uh.
00:33:12
Speaker 5: They must collect two percent of the vote of the total volts cast for Secretary of State in the district in the last election. So I'm not sure how he qualifies. He didn't run in the last election. But what I'm thinking of is what's he on the ballot in the primary?
00:33:34
Speaker 1: I don't believe, so I don't think.
00:33:36
Speaker 5: So, Yeah, how is it signatures? Let's see must.
00:33:47
Speaker 15: I for researching that?
00:33:49
Speaker 5: Let's see?
00:33:50
Speaker 15: This is where as they say, the devils in the details. Yeah, and people need to make informed decisions, not the name recognition, but informed decisions of who they actually are voting for and that they candidate is in good standing.
00:34:10
Speaker 1: They can make those informed decisions in explaining why they didn't vote. Think about it. You ask somebody why didn't you vote? Well, I looked it up and they're not so and so on such and such. An I don't like this, and I don't like that as opposed to finding out if you're planning to vote. Uh, this is what I want. And you know a lot of times is whoever's at the top? I mean, because aren't the ballot stacked alphabetically uh. And so if your name starts with the W and somebody else's name it starts with an A or a B. You got to fight that that aspect of it too. But people research and learn what they want to learn, and explain and rationalize what they want to explain and.
00:34:48
Speaker 5: Rast and it's confusing. Like y'all said, it's confusing. I'm your speakeringess out now. I think what they got to collect is this is my thoughts now of the two percent signatures of the total votes cast for Secretary of State in the district in the last election. So they got to get signatures to get on the ballots. That's what I'm thinking of the total votes cast. And these are people who cast votes.
00:35:13
Speaker 15: Well, we already know about the climates of kind of redistrict and that the across the United States is being set up, you know, for Republican favor and Democrats decline. There was you know, a thing on Virginia.
00:35:32
Speaker 8: I think it was, you know that the.
00:35:34
Speaker 15: Court came in you know, returned that. Okay, So for our state, we need to fully understand because.
00:35:43
Speaker 5: A lot of people do vote off.
00:35:44
Speaker 15: Of immerse emotional or personal endeavors and relations with a candidate that's running, and there's nothing wrong with that, but for the dilemmas that we are in in our community, that housing, that's you know, that's our youth, that's the crime.
00:36:04
Speaker 9: Uh.
00:36:04
Speaker 15: We need qualified candidates that have an agenda. Like Linda Humley is having something tonight at five o'clock. Okay, well, I want to know who she is. I want to hear what she's got to say to Garner. Not just my vote, but anybody's vote. People need to make him full decisions. And so that's why I bring the questions as a negative, because he seems were kicked out of the Democratic Party because they couldn't they hadn't voted into May primiery. So again, learning these processes and understanding these processes, we.
00:36:41
Speaker 1: Got to do that. And I thank you all right, thank you, Kim, and very good, very good advice, very good information. And I do want to research that a little further, as I'm sure you do as well, James.
00:36:54
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think I got it here. Another order to run, I'll say real quick, he has to get two percent of the total vot casts or signature in stead. But he didn't run last time, so he has to get signatures that work here, because it says for local offices, petitions require very some some require a set number of signatures from registers.
00:37:17
Speaker 1: So he had to get those signatures. He had to get them. Yeah, we're gonna yeah, I'll see if I can. Yeah, Okay, well there it is all right. As I was saying at the top of the show, if you've been following Community Connection over the years, thanks to you, James Patterson, as we said earlier, for bringing it to our attention. You no doubt heard the story of the Pendleton too, a story that started with the nineteen eighty five prison uprising at what is now called the Pendleton Reformatory and involves the excessive I think excessive is an understatement, the excessive sentences given to inmates John Cole and Christopher Potter for their roles in the riots back then. Now, since then, there has been an ongoing effort to push for their release and for more fairer treatment, and effort led by Jostin Jacques Wertha. That would be me, that would be you. He's here in the studio with us today, welcome back, and he has brought a guest with him. We know her as boxing is that it? Yeah, Okay, welcome, welcome, welcome, thank you, thank you so so, Jock, we've talked about this and again James is on the line, and James brought it to our attention. But for those who may not have heard or may have missed a show somewhere along the way, can you give us the background and the backdrop to what we're talking about.
00:38:40
Speaker 16: Okay, the backdrop goes as as this. We have John Cole and Christopher Trotter back in nineteen eighty five. Yeah, that year, nineteen eighty five, they were scheduled close to be released. One had within ninety days of that day to be released and the other, John Cole, had less than two years to be released. But they had guards who were working at that time, who were car carrying members of the Ku Klux Klan. They had decided that they were going to target a black inmate. They felt like he was inspiring too many black people and making them hold their heads up while they were inside, so they wanted to get the problem at the head, in their opinion, they made plans to hurt this brother. And then these two gentlemen, John Cole and Christopher Trotter, who were incarcerated at that time they stood up against those guards, fought against them, only enough effort to keep that man alive and stop them from attacking. For that, the state of Indiana gave them over two hundred years and they're still there to this day. You know, it's a very terrible injustice that has taken place. And now how do you be in for over forty years with no loss of life? You know that that's something that really needs to be addressed. And when we have the Pendleton two Defense Committee, the Pendleton two Defense Committee, which you can access if you go to Pendleton two dot com and all the information is there about this case. A documentary that myself and two Black who was another member of the Defense Committee directed and put this documentary together with these brothers telling their own story in their own words exactly what has happened to them.
00:40:33
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a quick question, please do what happened to the man that they were protecting or looking to defense?
00:40:39
Speaker 16: You know, he had passed away unfortunately, Yeah, he passed away back at the height of COVID in prison.
00:40:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was still locked up. He was still so did he get additional time put on.
00:40:54
Speaker 16: His No he no, he didn't get additional time for that situation. But he had a very lengthy sentence to do as well, but never got to carry it out.
00:41:07
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:41:08
Speaker 16: Yeah, Locmar was his name, Lincoln Love, Yeah, Locmar. Yeah, very very inspirational brother.
00:41:15
Speaker 5: Yeah, be a jailhouse lawyer, got a lot of prisoners off early, absolutely legal help.
00:41:26
Speaker 2: Absolutely he was. He made himself.
00:41:30
Speaker 16: A strong advocate behind the walls and helped a lot of people, a lot of men who were suffering at that time going through that type of brutality. Him finding the injustices of their cases, and one after the other, he was getting brothers back on the street, you know, in early earlier, finishing their sentences and a lot of times getting vacated.
00:41:50
Speaker 2: So, yeah, he was a problem for them.
00:41:52
Speaker 16: So they wanted to eliminate him, and they felt like they can do it unjustly with the with the cell group that they had within the penitentiary, the officers there who were the car care members of the Klan, and yeah, they they said that they were going to target him, but these two brothers said that that was not going to happen while they were there.
00:42:11
Speaker 1: So you say, Colon Trotter, are okay, They're doing all right? I mean, are they in good health?
00:42:17
Speaker 2: And see, that's that's the thing.
00:42:19
Speaker 16: Now, I'm going to tell you I've been part of the Defense Committee for about three years now, and in that time I have you know, honestly, I've seen just the not so vigorous communication that I used to have h with with with these brothers early on, you know, so you can even hear that their health isn't what it was just a few years ago. And also they are both going to the hospital for you know, new different medical reasons that are you know, on the table. So now it becomes even more pressing to carry something out and and and to push the effort to allow these brothers.
00:43:02
Speaker 10: To come home.
00:43:03
Speaker 1: How old are each.
00:43:05
Speaker 2: Older?
00:43:06
Speaker 16: Each sixty six John Cole and sixty four Christopher Trotter, you know, and they were in their mid twenties when this happened. There were young men who stood up to do the right thing in the moment. You know, they knew it would be consequences because they knew the system that they were up against, but they still did not allow the system to kill a black man just for that purpose, you know. So I think they deserved the same type of treatment from us, And I think that we should have the same mindset of saying that we're not going to allow the system to sacrifice these two men when all they did was stand up for us. They would have done that for me, you know. Yeah, so it's very important that we expressed that, but we have to do it as a community.
00:43:52
Speaker 1: Was there ever an explanation made for the excess and what statute was this sentencing taken from? In excess of two hundred years or what have you mean?
00:44:04
Speaker 15: What?
00:44:05
Speaker 1: Because all sentencing has guidelines. Yeah, so what was that taken from?
00:44:11
Speaker 16: Well, okay, so you have to understand that as these officers came with that malicious intent to do extreme harm, they came with these big sticks and these guns with these rubber bullets, and they had like these big, like three to four foot sticks that they would use solid to bash and beat people over the head. Actually assaulted Lincoln Love over his head to where blood was just leaking everywhere. That's what really inspired this situation because they thought they had already killed them, you know, so they had to act. But the statutes they went from is when they had those sticks, you know, the men who were defending him they had weapons as well, so they used those weapons against the weapons that were presented to them. They fought, but just enough to win the moment and to keep everybody at bay. They did not take life from anyone, and they maintain life. They made sure nobody else got hurt.
00:45:11
Speaker 3: You know.
00:45:12
Speaker 16: So then the court's looking at all that and saying to themselves, hey, we really need to charge them individually from every punch.
00:45:20
Speaker 3: Every.
00:45:23
Speaker 16: Action, and charge them all like with eight attempted murders, you know, when no one had lost life. And I say that again over forty years and not one life was lost, nothing but hurt, pride and hurt feelings back in nineteen eighty five.
00:45:38
Speaker 1: So how long has the organization that you had, the Pendleton two Defense Committee. How long has the Pendleton two Defense Committee been at this.
00:45:47
Speaker 16: Well, it's about five years now, and just a constant push to get this information now, you know, because and then to take that information that people receive and then accumulate a group, a collective that can move together, maintain that.
00:46:06
Speaker 2: Group and allow other people to join it as well.
00:46:09
Speaker 16: It's a strong push that needs to be done over and over and over again.
00:46:16
Speaker 3: You know.
00:46:16
Speaker 16: So sometimes people lose the momentum or or people get distracted with other things. But right now, more than ever, is the time for people to come together at this moment because these brothers are in court right now.
00:46:30
Speaker 1: I was going to say, yeah, yeah, the latest thing.
00:46:32
Speaker 16: Yeah, that's that's one of the probably the biggest update. These brothers are in court right now, and all they're trying to apply for is a sentence modification. A sentence modification means, hey you, this is the this is the sentence that you gave me. But for these reasons, can this be Can this sentence be changed? Can it be modified to something else for these reasons. So we have a very good position here, and the reason is because to get this out and to put that out, yeah, the oh, because all we're asking for is for them to change the sentence from consecutive to concurrent.
00:47:18
Speaker 2: That's it.
00:47:19
Speaker 16: So they were given twenty years for each person individually until it came to an astronomical figure, you know.
00:47:26
Speaker 2: Over two hundred years for both of them combined.
00:47:29
Speaker 16: All we're asking is that those consecutive sentences be combined into a concurrent sentence.
00:47:35
Speaker 2: That's it.
00:47:36
Speaker 16: No numbers have to change, no anything, No guilty verdicts have to change. Just run the sentence concurrent that would allow these men to be released, come home surrounded by the people that love them, honor them, surrounded by the few family members that they actually have left, who have been there since they won and always supported U. It's just an important time for people to come together and to push this because without our community push, it won't happen. We need these people adadmit about seeing these men not ever see the other side of the fence, all because they were trying to take care of us and and and protect us from harm.
00:48:16
Speaker 2: They do their lives in the way, you know, and.
00:48:20
Speaker 16: Even to this day they tell me I would do it all over again because we saved his life that day, you know, we saved his life that day.
00:48:28
Speaker 3: Wow.
00:48:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's it's it's this is real things, this is real people. When is the court day, Well, the.
00:48:34
Speaker 16: Court day hasn't been established yet, you know, so that's why. But but it is up and coming.
00:48:40
Speaker 3: Uh.
00:48:40
Speaker 16: They representing his representation is putting this stuff together to uh, to make that happen kind of soon. So that's why it's kind of urgent right now to get people to go to Pendleton too. The word Pendleton, the number two dot com on there.
00:48:56
Speaker 3: There is a.
00:48:58
Speaker 16: A statement saying, you know, from the public that they can sign to say that it's time for these brothers to come home, you know. And once we send those letters and we collect and all that information were we want to have over ten thousand, you know, to present to them and to h and then have people to come to the court date when we make that known, so we can have our presence there and say, hey, it's time for these brothers to come home.
00:49:21
Speaker 2: What are you guys going to do about it? And that's what we have to do.
00:49:24
Speaker 1: We've got a lot more to talk about and we're going to do, so we got to squeeze in a quick break. Foxy, We're going to hear from you as well, and a whole lot more. So stay with us. We'll be right back.
00:49:45
Speaker 14: WTLC A m W two three six C are Indianapolis broadcasting from the Praise Indy Indiego Studios, Indiego Boldly Moving Indy Forward. It's community Connection with Tina Cosby, brought to you by Child's Advocates, a champion for justice, opportunity and well being for children. On Praise AM thirteen ten ninety five point on.
00:50:06
Speaker 1: FM and we're back with Community Connection talking about the Pendleton two as promised the latest update and Jack Wuerta, it sounds encouraging from what you've said in terms of their impending release. They've served, each served, it's been what forty years? Over forty years, yes, and they haven't had any issues since.
00:50:35
Speaker 12: No.
00:50:35
Speaker 16: No, I mean, you know you get write ups and conduct reports, and you know, initially coming out of all that, after they were sentenced, you know, the system made it a point to give them extra punishments, extra solitude, extra years and solitary confinement. You know, so they had all these different things to overcome, but they're still here and holding strong.
00:51:00
Speaker 1: James, by all means, go ahead. I'm sure you have questions.
00:51:05
Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks Tina from the Josh. I have a question because I heard during my research on this that there was a guard during that time during the incident who happened to be white fella, and he was willing to testify on behalf of mister Cole and mister Trotter saying what had gone down then the exact truth as he saw it, and was he able to do that in court?
00:51:39
Speaker 16: And see that is a very good point to bring out. But no, short answer, he was definitely not. There were several different people who are parts of staff, who are parts of.
00:51:50
Speaker 2: The guard pool, who just.
00:51:53
Speaker 16: Give different testimony to corroborate what the Penalton two were saying about the abuse and the attacks and the blatant racism, you know. So uh but no, they were never allowed to uh and and the judge would always accept whatever reason the prosecutor would give. But not one person was able to testify on their behalf to corroborate their stories when many requested that opportunity.
00:52:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, Railroad, Yeah yeah.
00:52:22
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:52:24
Speaker 5: Also, it was another young man that we had on last time we talked about this issue, and he said that he helped to negotiate the standoff. I mean he called he called WTLC and got it on the air because he was afraid, you know, they were just gonna kill him. The the the the inmates that the prisoners who had had you know, taken a guard hostage I believe it was, and did no harm to him, just you know, we some eyes on this. So he picked up the phone and called the radio station. And to make a long story short, what came out of that was he said that that the prison administrators signed an agreement in order to end it that no one would be charged. But we don't have that paper anywhere. But that's what I mean. This is the kind of thing that could be testified to and he's willing to do it too. You know, should should they be able to get this into open court and open it back up?
00:53:38
Speaker 16: Yeah, I think you're speaking to mister Minka Beg Timber, Yeah, who happened to be there at the same time in nineteen ninety five. He's released now, he's since been released, but he suffered an underwent a lot as well, and you know, solitary confinement and everything else that came along with it. But yeah, he definitely And see that is what we're talking about here today, that community, community connection. Look at the fact that he said, who can I call? He couldn't call the police, you know, he couldn't call any level of authority out there.
00:54:17
Speaker 2: He was afraid to call. And what news station do you call?
00:54:20
Speaker 16: You know, right off the top of your head, but where you listen to your favorite DJ talking to you every day about things that matter to you, playing songs that you love, creating a sense of community. He did the only thing he could he called community and he said, these people are gonna listen to our side, and they definitely did, and they went independently of everybody else so they can watch as well. But they contacted certain authorities and giving them certain information so they.
00:54:48
Speaker 2: Can go cover it.
00:54:50
Speaker 16: Because they just felt that as soon as they get this thing back on their side, they're going to come through and wipe us all down, you know, do away with us.
00:54:58
Speaker 2: So they were acting try to.
00:55:00
Speaker 16: Save their lives and everybody else's because they understood that if something happens, we are getting the blame for this, you know, regardless of what it is.
00:55:10
Speaker 2: If somebody stubs their toe, it's our fault.
00:55:12
Speaker 16: So we're going to try to maintain order and maintain life to the best of our abilities. And they did that, you know, they did that, you know, and just briefly, you can see all this at Pendleton two dot com. The whole documentary is there, The Pendulton two They Stood Up. You can google it on YouTube. You can look for it on YouTube. The Pendulton two They Stood Up. The whole account is documented.
00:55:35
Speaker 5: Yeah, and certainly that petition is there too, isn't it.
00:55:39
Speaker 16: Jo Absolutely, the petition is right there.
00:55:42
Speaker 2: You can read it over.
00:55:43
Speaker 16: You can sign right there, submit it right there, and that will give us and then you can also become a part of the email list to where you can no have updates as they come and be a part of this situation in case we do have to go to the courthouse in Addison, Indiana, you know, and let our presence be felt because it's.
00:56:02
Speaker 2: Time for these brothers are elders, men who love us. It's time for them to come home. It's just that's that's all it is.
00:56:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we have a caller. Kevin has a question for you. Kevin, Hi, how are you there?
00:56:16
Speaker 2: Hey?
00:56:16
Speaker 17: How you guys doing good?
00:56:17
Speaker 1: Good?
00:56:17
Speaker 5: Thank you?
00:56:19
Speaker 17: Hey, hey my brother man, I appreciate what you guys are doing for those films to two up there.
00:56:22
Speaker 5: Man, that's that's commendim.
00:56:24
Speaker 3: Man.
00:56:24
Speaker 17: I got a question a couple well, a question the judge who will not allow for these testimonies to come through the guards who were there back then?
00:56:33
Speaker 10: Do we know these people's names, where they at, what they're doing now?
00:56:37
Speaker 17: What kind of capacity are they working in right now?
00:56:39
Speaker 16: And see that is a great another great question because you got to remember this was right in nineteen eighty five, eighty six, so vast majority of everybody directly related to this case, a lot of them are passed away and at the very minimum, you know, retired at this point. So there's not a lot of people who are directly related to the case that are still connected to it now.
00:57:04
Speaker 2: It's just that this new generation is holding.
00:57:08
Speaker 16: On to the legacy of white supremacy and injustice to you know, people like us, and if we don't do anything about it, then nothing will be done about it.
00:57:21
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:57:22
Speaker 17: My other question, has this been taken up nationally like a ban crump? Has anybody naturally wanted to pick us up? Maybe getting like a roller morton, maybe get it naturally, try to get some more eyes on there.
00:57:33
Speaker 3: You know.
00:57:34
Speaker 16: And you know, we've submitted for different things, and we've tried to connect with different people. Our biggest platform that we had was with two black connecting with Cornell West, doctor Cornell West, and him speaking towards that in public settings, you know, the Penalton too, so at least raising awareness. We've spoken from New York to Californi and quite a few places in between about what has happened. We've spoken at all different types of universities and everything, talking about what has happened here. So there are a lot of people that do know about this, and there are a lot of people who have decided to help us in this process.
00:58:19
Speaker 2: But we're still not exactly where we need to be.
00:58:22
Speaker 16: And until we get more of a pulse beating here for this, then I don't expect to see anything. It's going to take the people in and out in Indiana and especially Indianapolis to pull.
00:58:36
Speaker 2: Through and push through to get these brothers to home again.
00:58:39
Speaker 1: We're gonna switch gears here a little bit, not not really, because we're talking about people. We're talking about community.
00:58:45
Speaker 13: Eric.
00:58:45
Speaker 1: Can we hear a little of the sound we have with this right now?
00:59:10
Speaker 18: One thing I pose.
00:59:13
Speaker 5: Is love.
00:59:15
Speaker 1: M hmm. Jumped out That guy was grown.
00:59:21
Speaker 10: Oh my mom.
00:59:25
Speaker 1: That's when I met you in more world. I didn't catch you. Won't need to square up happened. I ain't gonna lie.
00:59:31
Speaker 14: We'll let you.
00:59:33
Speaker 12: But I didn't let you, well, not that night anyway. We didn't let no goot get in the way. We just all kicked back. I get a play, but you couldn't get away and go with your clothes and be worrying crowd about get your cause I got into double angels. No, I haven't house, but the funniest of things.
00:59:56
Speaker 15: Sound say is far.
00:59:59
Speaker 3: From you.
01:00:02
Speaker 18: Need to stay.
01:00:06
Speaker 19: That's what.
01:00:09
Speaker 2: I wos.
01:00:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, smooth group, smooth group.
01:00:19
Speaker 3: That was.
01:00:21
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, tell us a little bit about that.
01:00:24
Speaker 2: Can I give a little intro to that?
01:00:26
Speaker 1: Please?
01:00:27
Speaker 2: That's off my new album.
01:00:29
Speaker 16: Also, I'm a music producer, have been for quite some time, and my music is associated with the struggles that we go through and things like the Pendleton too. I have a new album called Helium. The album is spelled h e A l I U M with the with the word heal inside of it, which means you have to heal before you can rise. So this whole album is addressing things that within our community needs to be, that we need to look at and examine within ourselves, and affirmations that can encourage us to go to a higher frequency. You know, the same way that the music that we come from, you know, the music that sounds good but speaks to your soul. And I really wanted to come back to that with hip hop and R and B, with with with a new spind on it, but still with those same same elements. So then I met Foxy. This is Foxy right here, Foxy Cayenne. You know, because she Foxy with like an amazing artist with a super strong voice.
01:01:43
Speaker 2: As you just heard.
01:01:44
Speaker 16: She's on my album in several places. She's an amazing artist. She was so willing and eager to work with me when I first met her because I heard where she was capable of and I really want you guys to experience that as well.
01:01:58
Speaker 2: But here she is Foxy Kyenne.
01:02:00
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:02:00
Speaker 8: Yeah, So.
01:02:03
Speaker 1: Give us a little bit more. What you know when you when you first presented with the project, where did you find mean, how did you how did you feel doing it? So I was super excited.
01:02:13
Speaker 13: We met at the box out here in Indianapolis, and we had a lot of friends.
01:02:17
Speaker 1: That like worked with each other m hm.
01:02:19
Speaker 13: So we got the opportunity of like meeting each other and kind of talking a bit. And Jock's always just been like really inspiring and pushing me, like even in my own projects. He's such such support and it was just like really easy to work with him. Like with a lot of people, I go in the studio and it takes like a hot minute for us to get what we want in the sense of like what did they want for that exact sound and they're trying to figure out.
01:02:45
Speaker 1: With Jock, he's got everything ready.
01:02:47
Speaker 13: I can come in and we can just get to work and we can like focus on honing it into its best instead of wasting time trying to figure out parts and stuff. You know. So it's really cool.
01:02:58
Speaker 1: So you the recording his music Helium all ties back to the Pendleton to.
01:03:05
Speaker 2: How well there are.
01:03:10
Speaker 16: There are definitely different songs within the album, especially one called Reading Braille. Reading Braill is directly, you know, inspired by the Pendleton too.
01:03:23
Speaker 15: Uh.
01:03:24
Speaker 2: It's the face of you know, being able to.
01:03:26
Speaker 16: Present a picture of injustice, so crisp and clearly that you're just faking blindness at this point, you know, So you're reading Braill purposely. So yeah, the whole album speaks to that struggle and other struggles like it, and and and it also speaks to building our communities up those daily reaffirmations that we need to hear and to feel within ourselves to where we saying it back to ourselves, you know, things that address certain pain and certain wounds that we haven't been able to quite fully address.
01:04:04
Speaker 2: So this album gives you a way to address it.
01:04:06
Speaker 1: And this album you Foxy, are going to be featured at some of these community shows that you're going to be putting forth, tell us about that and that connection to the Pendleton.
01:04:17
Speaker 3: Two.
01:04:17
Speaker 2: Absolutely, So we will be performing.
01:04:21
Speaker 16: My artist's name and the name that you look up on all platforms, Spotify, whatever the King, trill, t H E, K I N G, t R I L L all one word.
01:04:33
Speaker 2: Look it up. You'll find the album Helium. All the music is there.
01:04:38
Speaker 16: We're going to be performing everywhere over the summer, all within the city, and every time we perform a portion of those proceeds will go to the Pendleton to Defense Fund, you know, So that'll be another way for us to help pay for a lot of these things that have to do with payment for lawyers and other things that have to be done, making making information available with everybody, and you know, we don't have too many sponsors out there.
01:05:07
Speaker 1: So, so, Foxy, did you know about the effort to free the penalty into before or after you did the recording and what are your thoughts on it?
01:05:17
Speaker 13: Now? I had known a little bit about it. He had brought it up a few times, and then he recently I've heard more and more about it.
01:05:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, so to know that you as an artist are contributing in some way to the Defense fund for this. I mean, that's that's got to be a feeling. Yeah, it's awesome.
01:05:37
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, I think it's great to support everyone around.
01:05:40
Speaker 1: Us, like mm hmm. Indeed yeh love you know, like we need to love each other and be there for each other. So, James, the community efforts here, Uh, that's outstanding. I mean, that's that's another that's another dimension to the battle.
01:05:55
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's another dimension because everybody's not going to be able to you know, go to the courthouse or you know, keep updated constantly, although I hope they go to that you know website, you know, uh Pendleton to u dot com and check them out, check out the story. But however, they can participate by checking out this Helium album and Jock, you tell me if I'm wrong. It's on all platforms right now. And just as as uh mister Jock just said, all of the I mean, they've got shows booked up and all of them will give a portion to the Pendleton to Defense uh Liberation Fund, the Penalton to Defensive Liberate Liberation Committee Liberation Fund, and that in that way they can they can you know, listen to the music, because I think, you know, not only is is mister Jock, I think gifted in how he explains their polight, these men who've been unjustly and God is against injustice, injustly unjustly incarcerated. But he also is a gifted producer, writer, musician, performer. So hopefully the Helium album will wrap, you know, help to wrap the whole process, because you know, the Penalty two to me deserved to be released as soon and as quickly as possible, you know.
01:07:35
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, so.
01:07:39
Speaker 2: Thank you, mister Patterson. I really do appreciate that.
01:07:42
Speaker 1: So it's it's a realistic possibility, very realistic possibility. I was asking you in the break that these two men, uh, mister Trotter and mister Cole could very easily be back home here in India. I guess they're both from Indianapolis. They're both from Indiappa could be home by the end of the year.
01:08:01
Speaker 2: Sons of the city.
01:08:02
Speaker 16: And if we did this thing the right way together, Yes, it is very realistic and it's it's highly probable that if we coming together as a community with all our support systems and networks standing together and have our influence felt and our presence felt at that courthouse to say, hey, it's time for these men to come home. After forty years, we think that they even do it enough for what you have accused them of. You know, let's not even fight the guilty verdict, and let's not even fight the charges that are made. Let's just give them some honor and dignity that they deserve at this point, and let's modify their sentences strictly from consecutive to concurrent. That one little word, and that will allow these men to come home. You know, they don't want you know, no harm, no foul.
01:08:51
Speaker 2: Let's get on with life and enjoy what life has to offer at this stage.
01:08:55
Speaker 3: You know.
01:08:56
Speaker 5: Yeah, people who commit murder, yes, convicted or they confess to murder, don't get as many years as you know people. And yet that's that this Helium album Real Quick is also you know, intended to heal our communities. Heal our community because right now we still have folks acting crazy doing stuff that they would Mister John can tell you that once you know, you make a mistake and they just they want to lock you up as badly as they can to keep themselves employed. And they lock you up and then you're regretting it for five, ten, fifteen, twenty years or whatever. So just that one of the mistakes. So we need to heal as a people and love one another. And Foxy said, love each other absolutely.
01:09:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so the lesson from this particular case that you're hoping our criminal justice system are, you know, are everybody that has any spoke you know that's on this tree in any way, shape or form. What are you both hoping that the lessons learned if this comes to the conclusion that you seem to think it will, that we all hope it will if this comes to a conclusion, because actually forty years function, you know, in all fairness is a life sentence because they're you know, the presumptive in Indiana's with forty to sixty five something like that, So they've already served life. Yes, for the most part, absolutely, you know.
01:10:26
Speaker 16: What I would want the most obviously, of course them to come home number one, you know, as soon as possible, release the penalty two, you know, but beyond that, what I would want the most is for us as a people to understand that these are not as isolated events as you may think, you know, just because you're hearing this story by me over the radio today. There's ten thousand stories that we can catch just by making a few passes, a few little neighborhoods out here, and we can hear a story upon your story exactly. So these things will continue to happen to us until we form a collective group who says, hey, we are going to stand together in the faces of injustice, and we will all come together because it is not just against one person or an isolated family, as much you would like it would like to think, it is us, and we will respond accordingly.
01:11:28
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:11:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a caller, another caller that has a question for you. Pierre, go ahead, you have a question.
01:11:36
Speaker 11: Oh, good afternoon, Good afternoon. You know, I've been following the story while you guys have been bringing it on Tina for the last couple of years. Thanks. Yeah. And the thing what I want to know is there is no person more prominent in the United States of America for getting these types of cases out then the Reverend now Sharpton, does he know about this case? Does he have you guys approached him about this case?
01:12:15
Speaker 15: No?
01:12:16
Speaker 16: There, I mean that is one of the few people that I don't know. Maybe before I got there, maybe there might have been some type of attempt to contact, but none that I'm aware of.
01:12:27
Speaker 1: And national action networks, Yeah, organization, okay, that you can contact. And he makes it a point to share with the community and people that they can't go anywhere unless they're invited. They don't just storm in, to contrary to popular belief, they don't just storm in and do whatever. But if you let them know and share and invite them into the situation, they typically investigated. If I have that correct, I'm pretty sure I did.
01:12:59
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's that's the Reverend sharptons things because they don't want The Reverend Sharpton doesn't want to mess up anybody's chances that gets and so he wants people to invite him in to their situation and then he'll work it from there, because there's just nobody more prominent in the United States of America. When our sharpings show them, that's the last thing they want, just for him and the in the documentary, Yeah, they don't want when our sharping comes, the cameras come, the heat comes, you know, and and and I'm sure this gentleman knows, Tina, there is a whole different reality out there that we don't see. We don't see how these judges act with these courts. I'm dealing with it now. There's a whole lot of things that the public just doesn't see. But the people who are in it, the attorneys, the civil rights people who are in it, this man right here sitting in your studio, they see things that the general public don't see. They don't understand. They think all judges are honest and fair and all of that, and they agent and they think, you know, they're more apt to believe the system and the administrators before they'll believe the people who are being victimized. I get off, I'm gonna get off the radio. But you know, when you when somebody tells you something, people are more apt to believe the authorities before you have to. You have to really show them evidence before they will believe you. And it is just an uphild battle. But you get somebody like revernd now shopping behind you. He brings the campus to bring the heat right. And I just wanted to suggest that thank you for taking my call.
01:15:19
Speaker 1: Thank you, Pierre, appreciate it. And yeah, it's hard to believe that more. Pierre brought an interesting point heat that more heat hasn't been applied to this particular case over the years, because this is egregious. I mean just you know, two hundred years.
01:15:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, to see and you know, you got to give credit where credit is due.
01:15:40
Speaker 16: Ideal C was very, very skillful and burying this case, burying it like I did fifteen years inside Indiana prisons and institutions, and I never heard of this case.
01:15:57
Speaker 2: Until I got out.
01:15:59
Speaker 1: You know, you were you at Pendleton.
01:16:00
Speaker 2: No, I wasn't that Pendleton.
01:16:02
Speaker 16: I was at Level two facilities, you know, Westville, the farm, et cetera. But but I didn't even know about this in there, you know, doing time. So that's how deeply that this story was was was buried. So I see a lot of people are just now finding out about it now, so you know they're there. We any type of uh uh, you know, notification to the people about this case primarily mostly has come from us, the Defense Committee.
01:16:33
Speaker 3: You know.
01:16:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've done a fantastic job, and we want to keep getting that message out there. Fox and you keep singing, you got to you got a gift there and get a real gift. Thank you for being a part of this as well, and you've done a fantastic job of pulling a lot of pieces together in what James clearly is is a complicated case. I mean, there's no doubt about it. It's complicated.
01:16:58
Speaker 16: Yeah, and you know that's complicated as it is, but simple but simple because the state didn't even argue much against the accusations of these guards being members of the ku Klux Klan, where you know, they didn't even put up a fight in these things, you know they you know, and yeah, and you know, so they're trying to they're trying to bury them. But like I said, and in closing, please Pendleton two dot com you can find all the information.
01:17:27
Speaker 1: You can watch.
01:17:29
Speaker 16: Yes, the word it's the number two, not not the not the numeral the number I mean like well, you know the two the two lines like the number two.
01:17:41
Speaker 2: Oh no, they don't have that on there.
01:17:43
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sorry, I know I was asking serious, I wasn't money.
01:17:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're good.
01:17:49
Speaker 20: Good yeah, the number number number yeah, because when you said that, what you're saying, it's not the let's.
01:18:00
Speaker 5: Let's make it simple. The E N D L E T O N two like one two the number two.
01:18:08
Speaker 1: And at the website and then keep it simple.
01:18:12
Speaker 5: Kay, no, no, no, Eric, I want to hear you too. But Helium is the album you know for the young people. Go to Helium and you can find out, uh, you know, how you can help the Pendleton too, to at least absolutely. And yeah, so go ahead. Eric was going to say.
01:18:28
Speaker 4: Once, once you get to Pendleton two dot com, you can take action. You can donate, you can sign the petition, you can schedule the screening.
01:18:35
Speaker 2: You can even write to.
01:18:37
Speaker 1: Which they love and from the community. And letters.
01:18:41
Speaker 2: Letters, that's the difference.
01:18:43
Speaker 1: You've been there before. What are letters like when you're behind bars.
01:18:47
Speaker 2: There is nothing?
01:18:48
Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, that is their taste of freedom now, you know. And that's what they really get inspired by us. When you know, we go to Pennsylvania and then be maybe twenty students from a university in Pennsylvania write them to you know, tell them what they're what their sacrifice has meant to them, and what they're learning from this. They come back and they call me and say, hey, John, listen, you know, and they really pour their hearts out, you know, and you so you can really see how that affects them. And and that is the shining lights in those moments of darkness that really affected.
01:19:26
Speaker 5: Guess I'm signing the petition. I'm signing great, thank you, thank you.
01:19:30
Speaker 3: We need that.
01:19:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can do that. We can absolutely, That's wonderful.
01:19:36
Speaker 2: That's what we want.
01:19:37
Speaker 1: Thank you so so, Eric. I guess we could play them off with a little bit more of us.
01:19:42
Speaker 4: I'm gonna probably restart again.
01:19:45
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
01:19:46
Speaker 1: Again, thank you in the website again, Pendleton number.
01:19:51
Speaker 10: Number to.
01:19:54
Speaker 16: The King Trill Helium. That's the album The King Trill t H E K I and E t R I l L. Listen to it with somebody you care about.
01:20:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you all the best with getting the Penalton two released and back home after forty years. We certainly applaud your efforts and wish you all the luck.
01:20:12
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
01:20:13
Speaker 1: Thank you for being on.
01:20:14
Speaker 2: Thank you, Annapolis.
01:20:15
Speaker 1: Thank you. And as we listen to a little bit more, we will be back right after this lines are open three one, seven, four, eight, zero, thirteen ten, we'll be right back.
01:20:25
Speaker 12: I ain't gonna we'll let you well. I didn't let you well, not that nine anyway. We didn't let no mood get in the way. We just okay, back I can plead, but you couldn't get away.
01:20:43
Speaker 14: Let's get back to the conversation. It's Community Connection with Tina Cosby, brought to you by Child Advocates, a champion for justice, opportunity and well being for children on phrase Am thirteen ten ninety five point one FM.
01:20:58
Speaker 1: And we're back with Communit Connect. Lines are open three one seven for eight zero thirteen ten, three one seven for eight zero thirteen ten. What a what a good segment, What a great segment. Absolutely well, pardon I'm sorry, James Well.
01:21:12
Speaker 5: I was waiting for Eric to speak there, but what a lovely Mother's Day segment. And I was gonna say, when it done an a month or two ago out there, bring them home for Mother's Day.
01:21:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely they You know, these kinds of campaigns and projects are not easy, and they're very taxing on you emotionally what have you. And so I always admire people that you know, that stay the course and work until it's done, and you know, these two certainly are. I cannot imagine. I can't imagine having to spend basically a lifetime for something that you didn't do, you know, your two hundred years. And the one thing I forgot to ask him, how much time do they have left? You know, if they had, they were already served forty and they were sentenced to two hundred. So I'm assuming they got what another forty or fifty.
01:22:05
Speaker 18: Years to go.
01:22:07
Speaker 5: It's a collective two hundred. I do know that much. One of them got more than the other. Okay, so they've already served forty both of them. Seen, I got plenty of times. If they don't modify, they have the possibility. I'm not going to claim it. I'm claiming them coming out, but they have the possibility of staying there, you know. But we're not going to claim there no no for for for their life.
01:22:30
Speaker 1: No, we won't know. Let's go back to the phone lines. Lines are open until we're until we're out of here in about thirty minutes. Guess who's back. Lifestyles with Eric. Go ahead, Lifestyles with Eric. How are you doing.
01:22:43
Speaker 11: I'm doing well.
01:22:44
Speaker 3: Happy Friday, folks, That.
01:22:46
Speaker 1: Friday, that'd be Friday.
01:22:50
Speaker 19: I just wanted to give you my you know, I try to call every now and then and give you my street assessment.
01:22:57
Speaker 3: You know, That's what I do for a living.
01:22:59
Speaker 19: I'm off work now and i'm driving down.
01:23:01
Speaker 3: I just rode across the the thirty three bridge.
01:23:03
Speaker 1: Actually, okay, don't ask me, because I'm gonna tell you too.
01:23:10
Speaker 19: When I said, I just want I love this town. I love my home with the city the city tore up. I mean it's from Pott's.
01:23:20
Speaker 10: Let me get my words together. It's it's depressing.
01:23:23
Speaker 14: It's it's.
01:23:25
Speaker 19: I'm just I'm disappointed. I'm tired of hearing we don't have the revenue. I want to know what the heck happened. Who let the streets go like this and the neighborhood go like this? It looks I mean, I'm driving.
01:23:43
Speaker 3: I do this for a living.
01:23:44
Speaker 10: It doesn't look good.
01:23:46
Speaker 19: Our city is crumbling from the homes unless you live on down On Delaware or New.
01:23:53
Speaker 5: Jersey a couple of those areas.
01:23:55
Speaker 19: Yes, those those homes are now worth a million dollars. But besides that, this is a deplighted city.
01:24:02
Speaker 9: It's just it's it makes you want to cry.
01:24:06
Speaker 3: I love this place.
01:24:08
Speaker 19: Although I want some land and I want to move, maybe to the country, I love this.
01:24:12
Speaker 3: I love this place. This is my home.
01:24:14
Speaker 10: This city looks like crap.
01:24:18
Speaker 2: Go ahead, didn't they redo that bridge?
01:24:21
Speaker 3: Eric?
01:24:22
Speaker 1: Yes, project so so check this out.
01:24:27
Speaker 19: Bridge is done, but it's potholes all the way up, all the way up the bridge.
01:24:32
Speaker 10: I mean the way up.
01:24:34
Speaker 5: So they didn't so they didn't repay.
01:24:37
Speaker 19: Going up towards Derby Hill and the old Iron Skillet restaurant. So as you go down south back to the bridge, it's potholes and potholes.
01:24:47
Speaker 15: So it's just the five.
01:24:48
Speaker 8: Hundreds getting ready to be here in a couple of weeks.
01:24:51
Speaker 19: This is ridiculous.
01:24:52
Speaker 11: This is absolutely ridiculous.
01:24:55
Speaker 10: The highway by downtown where you know they did that a.
01:24:58
Speaker 8: Couple of years ago.
01:24:59
Speaker 10: Heck, it's pot holes.
01:25:00
Speaker 19: And speed bumps on that butter They just did this stuff. So my question is when they do do things, somebody is putting the cheapest things they can put down so that they get the job again. Something's going on, somebody's stilling.
01:25:17
Speaker 10: I don't know.
01:25:18
Speaker 19: I can't put my finger on it. I can't put my and blame any name or anything. But I'm telling you, as a citizen that's been here fifty three years, almost fifty four, I'm riding through these neighborhoods. Something's going down.
01:25:31
Speaker 5: I don't know what it is.
01:25:32
Speaker 19: I can't put my finger right on it. But I'm passionate about this because I'm tired of not being able to just ride around like I used to and without potentially I just got a rim fix today, three bends I didn't put recorded to the City's I'm not gonna do that.
01:25:50
Speaker 10: No, I'm not gonna get it.
01:25:52
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I'm on my fifth tire right now. I mean I'm riding on a donut right now until I can get to a tire shop tomorrow because the waight is just ridiculous. I can't do it before work, I can't do it after work, so i have to wait till the weekend. But I'm on tire number five. But then the last year, in fact, one of my when we hear that, well, one of our co workers, he said, what is it with you entires? He said, do you drive bad?
01:26:15
Speaker 13: Or what?
01:26:15
Speaker 1: I said? I don't know if I got a bad set of tires. I've been driving for one hundred years, and I don't think it had anything to do with my driving.
01:26:23
Speaker 11: It's just here's the thing I don't know.
01:26:25
Speaker 10: This is the thing.
01:26:26
Speaker 8: You're not at fault. Here's the thing.
01:26:28
Speaker 19: If you do not set up on your steering wheel like you just started driving and you're scared you won't you're going to hit a pothole.
01:26:37
Speaker 10: You can't look away from your car.
01:26:39
Speaker 1: I mean, that's your phone not turning down.
01:26:42
Speaker 19: You have to look straight ahead and down. I'm just telling you that's the only way you can maybe get through.
01:26:48
Speaker 3: You know. That's it.
01:26:51
Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely.
01:26:53
Speaker 19: I hope somebody has a solution. I don't want to talk to the mayor ever again. He does not need to run for re electing. In my opinion, please don't because people are going to fall for it again and vote for him again.
01:27:09
Speaker 11: We need we need new.
01:27:10
Speaker 3: Leadership, period, period, dot.
01:27:14
Speaker 11: And that's it all forgiving me.
01:27:16
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, thank you, thank you, and uh, you know, I feel the pain.
01:27:23
Speaker 2: I feel it what you said. The fifth's my fifth tire.
01:27:27
Speaker 1: Number, tire number five. Now, thankfully this one will not, necessarily I don't think, need to be replaced because it's right smack dab in the middle. So that is technically an area that can be repaired because on either of the side panels, which typically tear up when you dip down into a pothole. You know, you either get one or the other side panel. But they said this one was probably a pothole too, you know, because of the way it the way the cut is. I'm sorry you were saying, James, I'm sorry.
01:28:02
Speaker 5: Well, you know, how much do you and Eric have to harp on this? I mean, how much? What does it take? I mean, I heard you saying the other day about Roadaball Road. I mean, I've called the compliment over there on my complement Colos Perkins. I don't get a call back, but I said I was gonna keep calling them until I do. That road runs along from sixty second to seventy first Street north and south. Two schools, two great schools are there, and it's like an obstacle course. You know what an obstacle course is?
01:28:39
Speaker 3: I do.
01:28:39
Speaker 1: And I don't know how the buses do it without coming out every day and tires just totally dilapidate. I don't know how the buses because they got they've got elementary school to the to the north, and they've got the middle school to the south, and from sixty second Street all the way to seventy first Street, it is nothing but an obstacle course on both sides. On both sides, that little bitty bridge right after you head off seventy first Street if you're heading north, that has been repaved, but that you know, like they were saying, leading up to it and leading around it. And by the way, I'm we I haven't gotten in and we need to find out because we're getting ever so close to the race the status of the sixteenth Street bridge and what's going on with that project. No is stone cold silence, radio silence.
01:29:26
Speaker 5: So yeah, but you know, I mean speaking of the race, you know, sixteenth Street before you get to Speedway, you know, going from White River from that bridge site to you know, the edge of Speedway. Nothing wrong with that, Nothing wrong with those street lanes on each side, nothing nothing wrong with the lanes going past the State House or downtown. But but but like Lifestyle said, what gims in certain neighborhoods, you know what what gives here?
01:29:57
Speaker 1: James, I've reported Rotabaa as well, and uh yeah, I Carlos, I'm going.
01:30:05
Speaker 5: Come election time next year.
01:30:07
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm remember it at all of them reported everywhere you go you find them, and I'm just I am sure that there have been collision, you know, not that we hear about it too much, but collisions as a result of people swerving to avoid potholes.
01:30:22
Speaker 2: I know them.
01:30:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, there, there has to be a number of those.
01:30:26
Speaker 5: Aren't there. I mean, I mean the money. The money can go where the priorities are for the people in power. And I understand the little people who call this show all the time. They don't know what to do because you know, they're not in power.
01:30:39
Speaker 1: No, no, they're not in power. And if you don't, you know. Just and like I said, I was being ridiculed in the parking lot today. Reverend Jim was laughing. He was making fun. He said, what do you do? Girl? I said, And I was out there throwing a fit about something else anyway, because I slammed my hand down, I said, Reverend you you pulled up just in time because I'm calming down. But anyhow, let let's go back to the one line. We got a lot of folks that want to want to weigh in here. Let's see Frank. Mister Frank, go ahead, how are you.
01:31:13
Speaker 3: I'm happy Mother's Day to you and all the mothers.
01:31:20
Speaker 8: Yeah, thanky, mister Frank's right.
01:31:23
Speaker 3: Good to hear your boys.
01:31:25
Speaker 10: I just got a simple question to say about the powtholes and and everything.
01:31:30
Speaker 3: Uh, here's what he deals. When Marion County gets white enough, you don't have to worry about no powertholes, no more.
01:31:41
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well wow.
01:31:46
Speaker 5: Wow wow, Deacon Deacon used to be on the front.
01:31:53
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, you know we know what that wow means worth a thousand words. Okay, let's go back to the phone lines. Mayhem, go ahead, how are you?
01:32:03
Speaker 8: Hey?
01:32:03
Speaker 10: How's it going?
01:32:04
Speaker 1: Yeah?
01:32:06
Speaker 5: Hey, how's going? Good?
01:32:07
Speaker 10: Good show? Hey the merri din come on your show and tell you he was running again. He did it last Saturday on what's it called show?
01:32:16
Speaker 1: Who's come on?
01:32:19
Speaker 10: At twelve o'clock. Pastor the pastor.
01:32:23
Speaker 1: Unity in the Community, Pastor Jackson, the mayor absolutely declared his candidacy. That's news because that would have been big news if he said he was running again.
01:32:33
Speaker 10: Yeah, he came on there with his I guess his bodyguard or whoever they.
01:32:41
Speaker 1: Did he say he was running or did he say he would consider or he's considering a run? Because those are two distinct and separate things. And my cast is he said, Okay, I'm not saying you didn't hear.
01:32:52
Speaker 10: I just I just think no, No, I'm saying I'm trying to I'm trying to remember I was dozing off or whatever, but I'm pretty sure or he said he was running running again. He got some he got some new heavy hitters around him, insulating him he.
01:33:10
Speaker 1: You know, he might just get in again because he got his position has been and what has made news is that he was entertaining and considering a bit okay. As of May twenty six, Indianapis Mayor Joe Hawk said has not officially announced he is running for for his term, but stated he is weighing a run for the twenty twenty seven elections. So that, like I said, if he had if he had declared it definitively on Pastor Jacksony show, we would have known.
01:33:40
Speaker 10: If if I stard to be corrected, maybe somebody need to go back and check it out.
01:33:44
Speaker 15: But I.
01:33:46
Speaker 10: Recalled he was, he was on. He interviewed him and he ain't taking no phone calls or nothing. But I think he said he was thinking.
01:33:53
Speaker 5: But running, mister man, before you go, Before you go, mister Mayham, that that was a good point. You brought up the fact that he went on that show and said he was entertaining an idea of running. That in itself is uh it's diametrically opposed to what he said before the last election when he said this will be my final time running.
01:34:23
Speaker 10: The last time he was on seniors show, she asked him the questions and he got really indignant, and I knew he wasn't coming back. H you asked him something and he got really indignant about it, or said, yeah, he's not coming back. I want to give advice to the last caller. Uh, I forgot the b name.
01:34:45
Speaker 5: No, not lifestyle lifestyle.
01:34:48
Speaker 10: Yeah, life lifestyle, lifestyle and other people. Do your own investigation about the roads because nothing new was going down. Uh. They take the stuff up, run it through a machine, and put it back down there. That's why your roads look raggedy. In the chair quick and also people buying me I wonder, I don't know why people buy new cars to put on put on these streets because the roads are actually tearing your cars up.
01:35:16
Speaker 1: Good point, All right, Okay, I wonder.
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Speaker 10: I wanted to ask you something. I don't know how to go about this. Is anybody, any relatives or anybody you can get on that. Uh, people to buy houses. You only supposed to buy one house living in for so many years, but people come about the shortest houses. That's not as short as of houses. It's people that got houses. I know on this uh where I used to live at, two people, Uh it's only like ten or twelve houses. But one person got four houses uh on that block. The only live in one and the other two were empty. Then the other one got maybe four or five houses. They only live in one, but the other houses are empty. I don't know. They thought they was gonna hold out for them the bomb, wait for people to bomb. But uh, these people got got these houses and they got them sett them like somebody live in them and they don't live them. On one block you got two people, they got maybe eight or nine houses.
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know any okay, go ahead, no, thank thank you, Mayhem A couple of me too. I don't know of any particular rule where you can only buy one you say, you're supposed to buy one house and live in and people can buy as many houses as they want is they can afford. I don't think that there's anything wrong with that. As far as a housing shortage, I don't think there is a shortage. There probably is a shortage of affordable housing. But I think what you might be referring to in the real estate market is that there is a shortage of houses on the market. Houses on the market, you know, a lot of people are staying in their homes a lot longer and not selling, moving and you know, doing what you know, just like in the in the car industry, there's a shortage of used cars, good reliable used cars, because folks just don't want to, you know, they don't want to absorb that expense of a brand new car with a sticker still on it. So the inventory of new the inventory of new houses or houses for sale is low. But it doesn't necessarily mean that there aren't any houses in the United States. It just means that the inventory, in terms of the buying and selling space, the inventory of houses for sale is low. There's not a whole lot to choose from now. As far as the shortage, there has long been a long standing shortage of affordable housing for average, middle of the road income Americans. There's no doubt about that that is a housing shortage. But to the point you may where you're supposed to get at one house and live in it, and some people eight eight and nine. That's this capitalism, that's the American well, might you can own as many as you want.
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Speaker 4: Might be talking about I can't think of the proper terminology these companies coming in buying up out of town investor investors, investors and then renting them.
01:38:13
Speaker 1: Renting them. Yeah, then you know, at ridiculous rates. That's so much so that a number of home homeowners associations have had to amend there. You know, they've had to amend their rules, so to speak, to to limit the percent the percentage of rentals that they allow and their the covenants. I do believe that that's what. Yeah, so I think I think I got what he was saying. I think I think that's but there's no housing shortage, particularly unless you're talking about in the affordable housing.
01:38:48
Speaker 4: The cost is ridiculous. It is to buy a house, to buy a car. And they keep saying, well, we can't sell callers or houses. Well, there's a reason.
01:38:56
Speaker 1: There's a reason. You want way too much money, way too much money, and the uh, you know, the costs to build all the cost cost to build yourself. A final call, final call, this is the name of a newspaper. But then let's take our last call of the show. Share you get the last call go ahead, how are.
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Speaker 18: You eighteen nineteen? That Happy Mother's Day to you and.
01:39:20
Speaker 8: Listeners out there.
01:39:21
Speaker 5: Listen, there is no perfect city, Tina. We know that there's no perfect city.
01:39:27
Speaker 18: I think that, you know, with all these potholes and chuck holes and things like that, I mean, somebody's obviously have to be pocketing some of that money that they're supposedly getting or supposed to have.
01:39:38
Speaker 5: You know, the lottery was supposed to.
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Speaker 18: Come through and help us with the schools and help us with the roads and the casinos and off the where's that money going?
01:39:47
Speaker 9: You know what I mean?
01:39:48
Speaker 18: Why do they have to use cheap materials and such like that to fix our potholes and the and the other thing is, you know, to the brother that called in earlier, I mean we we again, we don't live in a perfect but we can't bash where we live at. And if we don't, you know, if we don't like what we see going on, then let's try to be part of the change. You know, maybe call down and see if there's something that you can do to help, or maybe.
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Speaker 5: Run for the office if you think you can do better.
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Speaker 18: I mean, I just don't think people should be bashing their city, and what have you liked that?
01:40:18
Speaker 10: I mean, you know, and the mayor. You know, the mayor.
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Speaker 18: He's not a perfect mayor, but yet I mean, I don't know what he's doing down there, but you know, there needs to be somebody needs to come along and try to do better if we can. So, you know, I think we should be trying to be part of the situation versus part of the problem.
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Speaker 10: I mean, I hit a chuck hole a couple of a couple of weeks ago that I mean, I know, I know, I sell in it, you know, just just you know that it was just that deep.
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Speaker 18: And I also want to remind drivers too, when you're driving, be careful. You know, you almost got to hit that chuck hole, because if you hit another car, that's the more expensive.
01:40:57
Speaker 8: Than it is to hit that chuck hole.
01:40:59
Speaker 18: Said that, we got to hit a chuck hole, period, but be careful with that, you know, go ahead and hit the chuck hole versus hitting another car because a lot of people swerve and they swerve right in front of you trying to keep from hitting.
01:41:11
Speaker 5: That chuck hole.
01:41:11
Speaker 18: But hitting the chuck hole is less expensive than it is with you hitting a car.
01:41:19
Speaker 5: To say, people don't think about that. Just think about that. People don't think about that.
01:41:22
Speaker 18: So all right, thanks for taking a call.
01:41:25
Speaker 1: Thank you appreciated. Here and uh so here we are at the end of a show, in the end of another week. Uh oh, well a lot, but yeah, the pothole thing is an emotional thing.
01:41:38
Speaker 4: And uh a lot of public tax dollars going into the new hotel being built down here.
01:41:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I thought they're they're directed. Yeah, and where we got I don't know where it was ever, but the lottery money was never going toward roads and schools. The lottery money, uh is used for teacher and fireirefighter pensions for the most part. That's the majority of the teachers and firefighter pensions. Now maybe the teachers name and there's something indicated that the lottery would be used for schools, but I think that that was some of the planned direction for it. But yeah, anyway, go ahead, Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Martine, and I just want to comment a little bit about what Sherry said. I mean, I think she made some good points. However, we live in representative government. We picked up people we want to represent us, and then we expect them to do what we ask them to do. They're taking all our tax dollars, lots of them, so we expect them to do that. And yeah, we you know, we want to have a little bit of pride about where we live. However, I would say that you get the government that you that you tolerate, and you know, if you if you if you want to tolerate these kinds of conditions on our streets while they go and build hotels or whatever, then that's what you get. If that's what you tolerate. But you know, you don't have to live in a city like that, you can. I've been to plenty of cities where their roads are really eight the The local government is the lowest form of government, closest to the people. Okay, so you don't have to put up with the people you elect to local government if they don't. And mayor daily you know, uh mayor of Washington, the first black mayor of Chicago, they will tell you, I mean they can't tell you they're both gone, but they would have told you that local things like streets, fire protection, police protection, those basic things. I don't want to get them on soapbox. Those things are very important to people.
01:43:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are h And as you say, James, we.
01:43:46
Speaker 5: Pay for it, yeah, lots of Yes, this tire right, yeah.
01:43:53
Speaker 1: No, yeah, the tire, fifth tire and hopefully this one won't have to be replaced. It can just be plugged and repaired.
01:43:59
Speaker 4: And I get all my way, but I'll just say this. Our streets are on the cover of the New York Times.
01:44:04
Speaker 2: Was it a couple of years ago?
01:44:05
Speaker 1: Oh really America?
01:44:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, New York Times, one of the of the New York papers. Yeah, about our streets being so bad. That's all I'll say.
01:44:15
Speaker 1: Not good, Okay, we'll stay after that one.
01:44:18
Speaker 3: Not good.
01:44:18
Speaker 1: You know my you know my request. We need a podpoles?
01:44:21
Speaker 11: Are you said that? I agree?
01:44:24
Speaker 1: But whoever does that is probably going to be elected king of the world. Whoever decides to figure out a way to do that, because that's that's what's needed, uh more so than anything. Hey, thank you all as always for listening our website. Praiseindie dot com. I'm hearing the music that means we're out of time. Williemore Junior on the radio is up next again. Happy Mother's Day to everyone out there. Hope everyone has a great weekend. We'll be back on Monday with a whole lot more for James and Eric, thank you both as always, and we'll be talking to y'all again in a couple of days. You well, Thank you everybody, have a good weekend for everybody here. Yeah, thank you, thank you very much for everyone here. This is community connection
Speaker 1: To be reminded, but it bears repeating. I'll say it anyway. As for the usual, just think about it. Restaurants, sit down restaurants are expected to be booked in at capacity for tomorrow and Sunday. You're not gonna have a problem driving through McDonald's, Culver's, Wendy's or you're not gonna have a problem doing that. But the sit down restaurants places where you can take reservations. I know there's some that on Mother's Day, Valentine's Day and stuff like that, they don't even take risky well not at all, they won't because that that slows down the money flow anyway. So just be prepared and just think ahead. But they are expected to be booked in at capacity for tomorrow, especially and definitely on Sunday. And speaking of Sunday, if you happen to have your special pew or special spot at church, you'd better get there early, get there early enough to claim it, because as we all know, churches are traditionally packed on Mother's Day as well.
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Speaker 2: That's true.
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Speaker 1: What was that they called CME Christmas, Mother's Day.
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Speaker 2: And Easter.
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Speaker 1: The time, well, a lot of people are dubbed CMEs because that's the only time you see them.
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Speaker 3: Many other time then yeah.
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Speaker 1: See ceme, I'm a cmeme. Christmas Mother's Day in Easter is when they are you know, expected to be there. But anyway, uh so, yeah, I just plan ahead for that, plan to get to church early, just like on Eastern Christmas Mother's Day. You got to get there early and don't be upset and get your jaws all tight a church of somebody sitting in your spot, in your place. It was so funny. I was at church last week and it was there was somebody that was sitting, you know, kind of like way back in the day that series Archie All in their family Archie Bunker Kid out of my chair. Yeah, you'll get out of my spot. And this one person looked at another and they said, oh oh and they just had the look and yeah. Another friend of mine and I were we just we just cracked up and everybody left. It was all in good day, you know, it was all in good spirit there. But and finally, I'd like to wish my daughter a happy birthday. Her birthday falls exactly on Mother's Day this year, Sunday, May the tenth. She's an adult now, but I have to tell you, Eric, it was rough when she was little, she was younger, you know, her birthday was always either on the day before, the day of or the day after. On the day day before or the day of, so it was either Saturday Monday or Saturday Sunday or Monday. Anyway, it was always Mother's day. Mother's Day took up all the air in the room. And much like those whose birthdays are on holidays like Christmas New Year's Eve, they have to share, uh, the attention, intend to get older, and it's especially difficult for a child. I always felt sorry for the kids, the youngsters whose birthdays fell on Christmas, because families would tell them, well, here's your Christmas and birthday and everything. I don't want to take it.
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Speaker 2: That's true.
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Speaker 4: I've got family members this happens every year and be scrowing up it did.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I've also had family members say, well, what do you want, because you know, Christmas or your birthday? Which one? Pick one because I'm not given both? Well why not they both exist? I don't know, but they both exist, It's true, so why does it? But anyway, we again, it's not so easy for a child, probably not so easy for some adults maybe still to this day because they don't like to share the holiday, but that's true. We've always found a work around. Uh and again, U, she's all grown up now, so thankfully that birthday, Mother's Day drama days are over, older and over. Yeah. She In fact, she kind of chuckles about it a little bit, but she said, she told me yesterday, I'm used to it, and you know, what do you want? I was like, oh my, she thought, because I mean she used to be so consumed with Mother's Day and her birthday. Sometimes she forget. But so that's all good. On the show today again our number three one seven four eight zero thirteen ten. Three one seven four eight zero thirteen ten, we have an update for you on the case of the Pendleton two. In the case of the Pendleton two, a case you've been hearing about right here on Community Connection over the past few years. It's a case brought to our attention largely due to the efforts of contributing analyst James Patterson. James joins us now for this Friday on Community Connection. James, welcome back.
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Speaker 5: Oh, thank you, Tina. Glad to be here today. Yeah, absolutely, two days after I was here. I'm glad to be back.
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Speaker 1: So the weather, the weather report, We'll just get straight.
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Speaker 5: To that weather well yeah yeah, so yeah, wait for Eric to play Astle Skinger there. But it's not a bad forecast overall. We should see a fairly warn day today with some chance, I think pretty favorable of scattered showers pushing through the area late this afternoon and into the evening. I'm looking at the ACI Weather Radar radar picture right here on my screen, and it's already invaded the border between Indiana and Illinois going east, so it's coming from the west. So it looks like we'll get some scattered you know. I'm not saying that everybody will get it, but there's a good chance that we'll have rain later today. I was just looking outside. We expect a mixture of clouds and sun this afternoon, with of course the rain coming in the clouds will eventually dominate Tina as the precipitation reaches central Indiana. The rain drop should be with us for the afternoon and evening. So if you've got things you want to do this evening outside, I would, you know, definitely plan for the rain coming down. It was sixty four degrees as we come on the air today and temperature should slide into the upper sixties. Now that all depends. If the clouds really really push in and you know, are dominating, then we may not make it up to sixty seven or sixty eight, which is where I think it should go. So we should see rain later today with somewhat milder temperatures, and that rain will get out here hopefully by tomorrow, which should be a much much better day, sunnier and warmer.
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Speaker 4: Hey, James, can we do something for a moment? Sure, just and we wish Tina a happy Mother's day.
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Speaker 5: Yank you mother, Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's always a happy one when I'm I'm just here, so I appreciate it. Thank you all so much. That's very Yeah, Oh it was well, I have to give her around, give her a birthday. Yeah, the election is eric.
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Speaker 4: She is making me older.
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Speaker 5: That's a good way to put it. Indeed, But you know, I was just going to say that Mother's Day is kind of you know, it's not you know, you don't get it off. It's not like quote official official holiday, but it is certainly uh honored and respected and celebrated by just about everybody in this nation, and and and deservingly so, because the mothers are really the lunchpin of the family in my view, and they deserve to be honored. They go above and beyond so that that you know, celebratory sound that Eric played is less than appropriate for what they do. It is.
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Speaker 1: Yes, well, indeed, thank you so much, and James and Eric, I'm sure I want to wish a happy Mother's Day to all of the mothers and mother type figures in your lives, because you know, as I say, anyone and everyone that has stood in the gap. It doesn't necessarily have to be just moms, and I don't I don't like to leave them out either. But you know, certainly your wives, your daughters, you know all. You know, everybody's done something that's true worthy of Forget that an a cousin, cousin uncle. You know sometimes uncles are down there right there, all of them. So so you both are not going to forget your your wife. Oh no, no, no, I know y'all like to go back to the house, so I'm.
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Speaker 5: Sure I forget we like we like to sleep inside.
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Speaker 4: All of a sudden the key doesn't work again.
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Speaker 1: Changed changed, indeed, So but yeah, so thank you all so much for that. That's very kind and where I'm really looking forward. And James can't thank you enough for bringing the case of the penalty too to the show because I had not you know, I had not heard about it and other folks in the community. I think the cause is I think it's the word is spreading. The efforts continue. I think they're intensively. Anyway, I'm looking forward to to having Jock and and a special guest that he's bringing along, pardon Foxy, Foxy. Yeah, Jack and Foxy his special guest, Foxy. I'm looking forward to them both being here and it'll you know, and getting an update and some other exciting news. So we're looking forward to that.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know. And Dina, we cannot I just can't. I can't rest. I mean, we cannot sleep as long as these two men are incarcerated for basically standing up for somebody else who was being abused by prison guards. And no one was hurt, no one was hospitalized, you know, no one certainly was killed, and then they're getting combined two hundred years for standing up and the guards, I mean, let's just put it out there, the white racist guards who call themselves racist in their actions and deeds, and and you know, literally nothing happened to them at all. So I just can't rest when that much abuse, when especially what we're seeing today trying to turn the clock back to you know, a Jim Crow giving us no rights, no votes, nothing, want to take everything from us that we have fought so hard for. So these two men deserve And you know, we'll tell you what's I'll leave it, you know, as sort of a surprise, what's coming up with them, But at least there's an opportunity, and we you know, we want to tell people about that and how they can help.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's about fifteen twenty minutes away from now, so please stay tuned for that update. Let's go, Let's go back to the phone lines. Jeff, go ahead. How are you.
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Speaker 6: Happy Friday? Everybody?
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Speaker 1: Happy Friday? Happy Friday? Kah, it's a good one.
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Speaker 6: Arrogant change the happy happy mother.
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Speaker 7: They tina to my mother, a happy.
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Speaker 6: Heavily mother's day and day doesn't know about we don't think about you so and uh a special affair well to my little buddy Coco. She's no alonger with us, she's a shoot see and uh let me see and she left us yesterday. So I'm a little bit bummed up, but I'm okay, I will be fine, but I can miss my little buddy.
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Speaker 8: So anyway, but Tina and uh, you know and things.
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Speaker 6: The mother is out there, Happy Mother's Day.
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Speaker 7: But now I want to address your show yesterday.
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Speaker 8: And uh, you know, Tina all Dia is a conserant professional you.
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Speaker 6: James and Eric, but it isn't regards to your guest yesterday, Aftual and uh you know, yeah, after anybody knows you're smart, you're brilliant, you got to the statistics. But at the same time you're also a bit of a legend in your own mind.
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Speaker 7: The reason I bring that up because I was wondering I even mentioned this to Eric yesterday is just the Tina Gazi show or just after a Kim Shabas show, And I don't know, you know, I thought he was just very disrespectful, condescending. And you know, mister Russell one of the most.
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Speaker 8: Reasonable, level headed people in the world and he doesn't.
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Speaker 7: Need me to speak up for him. But the way Abdul.
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Speaker 9: Addressed him was just totally out of life, okay. And I heard on those white guys stations, you don't talk to those white guys. When he talked to your your viewers and your listener set him. So you know that that just really rough me the wrong way. I remember having him from Amys Brown Day that Amy's used to eat his lunch and he used to call me name brother a.
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Speaker 8: Most call him a bunch of names all the time.
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Speaker 9: But you know, I view you're smart, but like I said, you're a bit of a narciss statement a legend in your own mind. And uh, and I just thought the way he talked to mister Russell, I just they just wrought me the wrong Like I said, mister Russell would need me to speak up for and so you know, he's a gentleman and a decent man.
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Speaker 7: And the way I do was addressing everybody. You know, he can go play with the alligators for all I care.
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Speaker 1: Well, can you refresh my memory because I I'm not sure I heard did you Eric, did you hear anything? I'm not quite sure I didn't catch it.
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Speaker 9: I apologize, Yeah, well he said something about voting or something. I agree that he told, uh, mister Russell to the effect that you know what your factor just hang up and call them to other time. I'm like, wait a minute, he said to me. He goes, yeah, that was my phone clicking because he when I get those text messis there was a dollar sign. That's part of my job, you know, when christ looking forward and GM these parts. Hey, I got to answer that, okay, and uh, you know, it was just mister was asked a legitimate question. Heyte was just very dismissive.
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Speaker 10: I mean, excuse me, you.
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Speaker 7: Have he was very dismissive, and you know, hold down to the man.
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Speaker 8: And you know, you being a build a bully, you know you're not bully material truck.
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Speaker 3: You're not.
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Speaker 8: You know you're not.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to pay closer attention because you know the persona, his persona is that and I don't I have not listened to him talked to callers on his show on w i b C on Saturday afternoons. I have to admit, I.
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Speaker 8: Don't, you know, get your backs trade or something. It was just out of line, you know, and mister exactly what it was.
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Speaker 9: But well, okay, you know, yeah, I remember had to put him in check a few times because of that was the.
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Speaker 1: That was the the interest that a lot of folks, and that's why they did a show together briefly because you know, point counterpoints. So yeah, that was that was the whole thing, was one all the time. Well there you go, there you go.
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Speaker 7: You know, I don't I don't have no political views.
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Speaker 1: But it was just this, you know, it's just kind of okay, I'll go back and listen to it, Jeff, I'll go back and listen to it.
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Speaker 8: Okay, Yeah, I think there was an audio trouble there to catch a part.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, and believe you me, there were some There was a long stretch that no one and thank you, thank you, Jeff. I appreciate a long stretch where the listeners didn't know. But I couldn't hear anything. I couldn't hear any on air audio through my headsets, remember Eric, and the note is still right here on our chat. And it went on for for quite a while, and I think Eric talked well. So I was probably distracted maybe during that time, because it is distracting, yeah, because you have to have the headphones, yeah you do, but mine were working and then you were coming in uh to the studio to bring me another set. And in the meantime in between that, either Eric was still talking, or Abdual kept talking because he saw what was going on.
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Speaker 2: He was still talking, Yeah, he was.
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Speaker 1: He was still talking and I couldn't. So maybe that was one of the periods when that happened. Robert, go ahead, how are you.
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Speaker 3: I'm doing fid heavy Mother's Day t all the mothers be in the world.
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Speaker 1: Well, thank you, happy mother. Yeah we Happy Mother's Day to all the mothers out there. I always say.
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Speaker 3: Yes, every Mother's day in life without the only way you can have life. It's still a woman every mother'sday. Dog the women. In a way being a man, there's no more fun than having women out there. I love him. Okay, it's a bad boy, all them, but I love him. I had but I called to say that you did a spectacular job. Ah in this uh political Michael. He was very particulate. There a lot of names stone at you and a lot of issues done at you, and you just staffed a good job.
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Speaker 11: And that's what thank you.
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Speaker 1: That's what I didn't. You know, I didn't get it all exactly right every time, but I corrected as best I could. So there's a lot to it. Yeah, there's a lot to it.
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Speaker 3: So the thing man is all those names. You know what I'm saying. But you handled it. How about a book? A book? What was it? It was like black soldiers and the name. I opened the book and it wasn't nothing but a bunch of names. And I'm not a good reading like that. And I put that book. I bought that book and put it on the ship because I couldn't hand it to be names and I couldn't. I'm not a real fast reader anyway. But you and the y'all handled that very well because they're on the name and the locations.
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Speaker 12: Uh.
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Speaker 3: Like I said, I work again for Washington, and it was it was just terrible how they're how political. Some people don't know what poplics is. They just don't know. They shot up by office the pot. They just don't know. You know, this is a dirty business. Uh, And it's all about business to it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but uh it's not easy. No, I can't. I mean, I have to admire politicians because there's a whole there's a whole lot to it. There's a lot to it, awful lot to it.
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Speaker 3: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Enjoy you too, thank you. Indeed, so yeah and speaking of politics, it's we got how much time now, Eric and James? How many months until November to start getting folks?
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Speaker 2: Six months?
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Speaker 4: Is six months, James?
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Speaker 3: Or is it?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it'll be it's just over six months. Yeah. Wait a minute. This is the fifth we go the eleventh, so yeah, it's just right around it'll be. Let's see in June it would be exactly five months to elections. So it's under six months now, it's under six.
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Speaker 1: Months, less than six months.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I like this one. I like this one sign. I was, you know, I was looking at the news broadcasts and uh, one report had you know, they were talking about the protesters. You guys, they're talking about the protesters, and you know there's constant protesters. There's constant protests against this government. And one sign I like to read the signs. That one sign intrigued me. It said November is coming. Three words November is coming, so it's counting down. And another thing is they're not the Congress is not going to be in session too many more days. I got a little chart that shows how many days are going to be in session. I mean out of all the you know days in that in that five months coming up on when we get to to June third, it'll be exactly five months, I think, yeah, June third, it'll be five months. And out of all of that, you guys, they'll be in session probably less than forty five days. That much time, No, but they've taken that time off based on their calendar. And you know, they get paid really well, uh to do that job, and so they just you know, they they've got you know, before even the summer break starts August in the first of August, sometimes a whole little longer, but they are off the whole month until after Labor Day, sometime after Labor Day, and then you're into the election season and nothing gets passed, nothing gets done. But before then they've got they've got let me see, they've got Memorial Day holiday, They've got Juneteenth, they've got July, uh, the fourth of July, I mean, and then there's just there's just I mean when they're in session. I saw the calendar, it's like two or three days at a time, man, I mean, it's just nothing. You know, they'll come back to pass what they want to pass, like they're going to try to get this this this bill through to fun ice through uh, this process called reconciliation. You know, they'll come back for that for two or threes, then they're off again. So it's it's coming. It's coming, and that's what people should really be. And by the way, Teama, you talked about the vote not good enough. I think it was fifteen point eight percent in the primary. But you know what, that's progress. I'll take it. I'll take it because usually people less than to the Indiana, which is not good at all. But to double that, I'll take it. You know, people are engaged and we need to do more. There was a lady who came by my home to she does my wife's hair and she cuts my hair. And she was just so busy because she's trying to do something because she's going on a trip. She was just so busy. I said, have you voted yet? This was this was on election day and she said no, no, what time is it? I said, you got till six o'clock? It was like four something. She's like, I can get over there, I can get over there. But I don't even know if she made it because she had one appointment after the other. You see, we have that's the primary, but we can't do that when the general election comes, we need all hands on deck. We need everybody.
00:24:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't I don't know how to stress that anymore. It made perfect sense, It made perfect and I just have to refuel. That's all. That's all we just had. We all have to refuel because you know, we put you know, everything into getting the primary and and yes, participation was up, but and that's and I was one of the first to say, I'll take that. That's a victory. That's a victory. But we cannot sit back and think that that's okay, we've arrived and that's it, because it's still it's still awful numbers. I mean when you consider, you know, fifteen percent showed up, well, eighty five percent stay don't so, I mean, there's there's a lot of ways you can look at it. Now, did fifteen percent beat eight point six four percent? Absolutely, and positively, But we still have a long way to go, and and I you know, I guess we can get our numbers for what is it, midterm general elections? Uh, you know we lets I'm going to dig some of those up and see what numbers we have to beat, what we have to top, uh, in order to make an impact.
00:25:07
Speaker 4: It would be nice to know just from those people who stayed home, why why they didn't you know, why they didn't both.
00:25:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just find out, Like.
00:25:18
Speaker 5: I would just give you an example, I do think, but there are chances before then, and so we can't just wait till the last minute because we might not be able to do it. Then anything can happen. It was raining that day, you know, at least, you know, light rain on and off all day, and that's always going to depress the turnout. But it shouldn't. It shouldn't deter us from doing what we need to do. No, because really the attacks are against this now, really they are.
00:25:45
Speaker 3: You know.
00:25:45
Speaker 1: It may be a little bit more too. Of what Representative Carson said early on in the you know, early on this year, is that and maybe he said it late last year. Anyway, he said it, we haven't felt enough pain yet because a lot of the civil rights movement and when and when voting was at its highest, was the result of you know, we were we felt the paint. You know, we were reacting to the absolute onslaught of sustained painful existence that we no longer were going to tolerate.
00:26:18
Speaker 5: And so, you know, I.
00:26:23
Speaker 3: Agree with that.
00:26:24
Speaker 8: I agree with that.
00:26:26
Speaker 1: I hope we don't get there.
00:26:27
Speaker 2: Definitely.
00:26:30
Speaker 5: People came out to those rallies and stuff and marched and stuff because they couldn't take it anymore.
00:26:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, oh, exactly, that's true. It was just unsustained. It was unbearable. It was unbearable. But do we have to get there again? Do we have to go to unbearable again?
00:26:47
Speaker 5: To gas? Gas? And they said this morning it's over six dollars a gallon in California.
00:26:54
Speaker 1: I don't know what, you know, Well, I had to pay the last time I went, which was day before yesterday, it was five dollars and nine sense.
00:27:01
Speaker 5: It's still five something five and that was they haven't lowered it from his little Uh.
00:27:08
Speaker 1: But everything is wonderful, Everything is beautiful, it's great. It's never been better. This is the best in the history of humankind. Earth has never seen anything any better than this. So it's all good. Yeah, it's lovely, it's great. It's you know, people are just being negative and that's not real.
00:27:26
Speaker 2: And you know, so those glasses are super dark.
00:27:29
Speaker 1: Then now join me in my reality because I don't exist in yours, So I guess I don't know.
00:27:34
Speaker 13: But.
00:27:35
Speaker 5: Because we care about the people. But then everything in individual lives are looking at well. I'm good, yeah, but when you start feeling that pain, indeed you will do something to help yourself.
00:27:48
Speaker 1: Pendleton too, the latest and some more coming up right after this. Let's take a quick break.
00:28:03
Speaker 14: Let's get back to the conversation. It's Community Connection with Tina Cosby, brought to you by Child Advocates, a champion for justice, opportunity and well being for children on Praise Am thirteen ten ninety five point one FM.
00:28:19
Speaker 1: And we're back with Community Connection. About to start our segment regarding the Penulton two and the latest and the updates. But before we get to that, have a very quick call to get to that. We didn't we weren't able to squeeze in before we went to break the last time. Kim Boyd, Kim, how are you hey?
00:28:37
Speaker 3: Good?
00:28:38
Speaker 15: And James how are you both good?
00:28:40
Speaker 5: Good?
00:28:40
Speaker 1: Happy Mother's Day to you and the same to you. My sister, Thank you, my sister, I appreciate thank you.
00:28:48
Speaker 15: I just wanted to say I tried to get in yesterday when a duel was on m but I wanted to ask the question and more I'm talking about the processes of hot these seeing Katha and like with Bobby Kern.
00:29:01
Speaker 1: You know, yes, yes, yes, that was puzzling to me.
00:29:05
Speaker 15: Yes, And so you know, I've had an initial conversation with Carlo Lopez, you know about these things that occurring whether people vote either you know, out of defiance to the system in his memory or whatever. But a question I had posed to Mirror Indy Arianna Beaunty about a month or so ago. I have a concern also, and this goes to the processes and why I was trying to get in on that duel yesterday. How is and what are the qualifiers for a Secretary of State, which is like the third most important position in the state of Indiana that Ballard is running as an independent when he's a registered Republican. And so I'm looking at the processes in the criteria again as to who are looking at these processes as opposed to people just going to a ballot and just arbitrarily picking out what's presented in front of them without making an informed and acknowledgeable decision. It's not to being former mayor ballot in any ways to understand the process, because I'm sure it is initial money is coming from the Republican Party, you know.
00:30:26
Speaker 8: Because Diego morality has had some issues. Again, I'm looking.
00:30:32
Speaker 15: At the processes because just like with the PCs through the Democratic Party, that were all you know, just allowed because they hadn't voted in the previous primary. Right, So what are those processes that dictate that a man who was a Republican elected and won in office? What are those processes looking like to qualify an individual to run under a different party. So that was my question.
00:31:03
Speaker 1: Well, I I certainly am going to have to get an answer for you because I don't know. I know that certain people leave parties and go to either other parties or declare themselves independent. I don't know what that process entails, and I don't know how that process impacts how you run for office. So but I'd be happy to research it for you and find a you know, talk to the name James, Eric, Do either of you know the answer to Kim's question?
00:31:29
Speaker 5: James?
00:31:29
Speaker 1: You do, James?
00:31:30
Speaker 2: You know, James is still there? James, Okay, he's still connected?
00:31:37
Speaker 1: Is he still connected?
00:31:38
Speaker 15: And again, it's just.
00:31:40
Speaker 5: So that voters could be Kim, Yeah, Kim, I just look it up while you're I don't know. I'm like Tina and Eric, but it says here. I just look it up. How to run as an independent Indiana U. Let's see, all Indiana candidates including independence be a US citizen, be at least a minimum age of office twenty one for House, twenty five for Senate, thirty for governor or lieutenant governor. Have lived in Indiana for the required period before the election. So you got to do the same thing that a Republican or Democrat does. Let's see, Indiana does not have a right in only option for most offices. You must file a declaration of candidacy with the appropriate election authority state federal offices. You know, it just says I guess you can just let's see ballot access for independence. Indiana uses a semi open primary system. Independents can run in primaries and general elections, but they must meet the two and a half percent threshold for state federal offices to appear on the general ballot.
00:32:51
Speaker 1: So let's see, for example, it's a petition.
00:32:55
Speaker 5: And honest, meaning not a Republican or Democrats must collect two percent of the total volts cast for the Secretary of State in the district in the last election. So there's your answer, Kim. They've got to get uh.
00:33:11
Speaker 15: Uh.
00:33:12
Speaker 5: They must collect two percent of the vote of the total volts cast for Secretary of State in the district in the last election. So I'm not sure how he qualifies. He didn't run in the last election. But what I'm thinking of is what's he on the ballot in the primary?
00:33:34
Speaker 1: I don't believe, so I don't think.
00:33:36
Speaker 5: So, Yeah, how is it signatures? Let's see must.
00:33:47
Speaker 15: I for researching that?
00:33:49
Speaker 5: Let's see?
00:33:50
Speaker 15: This is where as they say, the devils in the details. Yeah, and people need to make informed decisions, not the name recognition, but informed decisions of who they actually are voting for and that they candidate is in good standing.
00:34:10
Speaker 1: They can make those informed decisions in explaining why they didn't vote. Think about it. You ask somebody why didn't you vote? Well, I looked it up and they're not so and so on such and such. An I don't like this, and I don't like that as opposed to finding out if you're planning to vote. Uh, this is what I want. And you know a lot of times is whoever's at the top? I mean, because aren't the ballot stacked alphabetically uh. And so if your name starts with the W and somebody else's name it starts with an A or a B. You got to fight that that aspect of it too. But people research and learn what they want to learn, and explain and rationalize what they want to explain and.
00:34:48
Speaker 5: Rast and it's confusing. Like y'all said, it's confusing. I'm your speakeringess out now. I think what they got to collect is this is my thoughts now of the two percent signatures of the total votes cast for Secretary of State in the district in the last election. So they got to get signatures to get on the ballots. That's what I'm thinking of the total votes cast. And these are people who cast votes.
00:35:13
Speaker 15: Well, we already know about the climates of kind of redistrict and that the across the United States is being set up, you know, for Republican favor and Democrats decline. There was you know, a thing on Virginia.
00:35:32
Speaker 8: I think it was, you know that the.
00:35:34
Speaker 15: Court came in you know, returned that. Okay, So for our state, we need to fully understand because.
00:35:43
Speaker 5: A lot of people do vote off.
00:35:44
Speaker 15: Of immerse emotional or personal endeavors and relations with a candidate that's running, and there's nothing wrong with that, but for the dilemmas that we are in in our community, that housing, that's you know, that's our youth, that's the crime.
00:36:04
Speaker 9: Uh.
00:36:04
Speaker 15: We need qualified candidates that have an agenda. Like Linda Humley is having something tonight at five o'clock. Okay, well, I want to know who she is. I want to hear what she's got to say to Garner. Not just my vote, but anybody's vote. People need to make him full decisions. And so that's why I bring the questions as a negative, because he seems were kicked out of the Democratic Party because they couldn't they hadn't voted into May primiery. So again, learning these processes and understanding these processes, we.
00:36:41
Speaker 1: Got to do that. And I thank you all right, thank you, Kim, and very good, very good advice, very good information. And I do want to research that a little further, as I'm sure you do as well, James.
00:36:54
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think I got it here. Another order to run, I'll say real quick, he has to get two percent of the total vot casts or signature in stead. But he didn't run last time, so he has to get signatures that work here, because it says for local offices, petitions require very some some require a set number of signatures from registers.
00:37:17
Speaker 1: So he had to get those signatures. He had to get them. Yeah, we're gonna yeah, I'll see if I can. Yeah, Okay, well there it is all right. As I was saying at the top of the show, if you've been following Community Connection over the years, thanks to you, James Patterson, as we said earlier, for bringing it to our attention. You no doubt heard the story of the Pendleton too, a story that started with the nineteen eighty five prison uprising at what is now called the Pendleton Reformatory and involves the excessive I think excessive is an understatement, the excessive sentences given to inmates John Cole and Christopher Potter for their roles in the riots back then. Now, since then, there has been an ongoing effort to push for their release and for more fairer treatment, and effort led by Jostin Jacques Wertha. That would be me, that would be you. He's here in the studio with us today, welcome back, and he has brought a guest with him. We know her as boxing is that it? Yeah, Okay, welcome, welcome, welcome, thank you, thank you so so, Jock, we've talked about this and again James is on the line, and James brought it to our attention. But for those who may not have heard or may have missed a show somewhere along the way, can you give us the background and the backdrop to what we're talking about.
00:38:40
Speaker 16: Okay, the backdrop goes as as this. We have John Cole and Christopher Trotter back in nineteen eighty five. Yeah, that year, nineteen eighty five, they were scheduled close to be released. One had within ninety days of that day to be released and the other, John Cole, had less than two years to be released. But they had guards who were working at that time, who were car carrying members of the Ku Klux Klan. They had decided that they were going to target a black inmate. They felt like he was inspiring too many black people and making them hold their heads up while they were inside, so they wanted to get the problem at the head, in their opinion, they made plans to hurt this brother. And then these two gentlemen, John Cole and Christopher Trotter, who were incarcerated at that time they stood up against those guards, fought against them, only enough effort to keep that man alive and stop them from attacking. For that, the state of Indiana gave them over two hundred years and they're still there to this day. You know, it's a very terrible injustice that has taken place. And now how do you be in for over forty years with no loss of life? You know that that's something that really needs to be addressed. And when we have the Pendleton two Defense Committee, the Pendleton two Defense Committee, which you can access if you go to Pendleton two dot com and all the information is there about this case. A documentary that myself and two Black who was another member of the Defense Committee directed and put this documentary together with these brothers telling their own story in their own words exactly what has happened to them.
00:40:33
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a quick question, please do what happened to the man that they were protecting or looking to defense?
00:40:39
Speaker 16: You know, he had passed away unfortunately, Yeah, he passed away back at the height of COVID in prison.
00:40:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was still locked up. He was still so did he get additional time put on.
00:40:54
Speaker 16: His No he no, he didn't get additional time for that situation. But he had a very lengthy sentence to do as well, but never got to carry it out.
00:41:07
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:41:08
Speaker 16: Yeah, Locmar was his name, Lincoln Love, Yeah, Locmar. Yeah, very very inspirational brother.
00:41:15
Speaker 5: Yeah, be a jailhouse lawyer, got a lot of prisoners off early, absolutely legal help.
00:41:26
Speaker 2: Absolutely he was. He made himself.
00:41:30
Speaker 16: A strong advocate behind the walls and helped a lot of people, a lot of men who were suffering at that time going through that type of brutality. Him finding the injustices of their cases, and one after the other, he was getting brothers back on the street, you know, in early earlier, finishing their sentences and a lot of times getting vacated.
00:41:50
Speaker 2: So, yeah, he was a problem for them.
00:41:52
Speaker 16: So they wanted to eliminate him, and they felt like they can do it unjustly with the with the cell group that they had within the penitentiary, the officers there who were the car care members of the Klan, and yeah, they they said that they were going to target him, but these two brothers said that that was not going to happen while they were there.
00:42:11
Speaker 1: So you say, Colon Trotter, are okay, They're doing all right? I mean, are they in good health?
00:42:17
Speaker 2: And see, that's that's the thing.
00:42:19
Speaker 16: Now, I'm going to tell you I've been part of the Defense Committee for about three years now, and in that time I have you know, honestly, I've seen just the not so vigorous communication that I used to have h with with with these brothers early on, you know, so you can even hear that their health isn't what it was just a few years ago. And also they are both going to the hospital for you know, new different medical reasons that are you know, on the table. So now it becomes even more pressing to carry something out and and and to push the effort to allow these brothers.
00:43:02
Speaker 10: To come home.
00:43:03
Speaker 1: How old are each.
00:43:05
Speaker 2: Older?
00:43:06
Speaker 16: Each sixty six John Cole and sixty four Christopher Trotter, you know, and they were in their mid twenties when this happened. There were young men who stood up to do the right thing in the moment. You know, they knew it would be consequences because they knew the system that they were up against, but they still did not allow the system to kill a black man just for that purpose, you know. So I think they deserved the same type of treatment from us, And I think that we should have the same mindset of saying that we're not going to allow the system to sacrifice these two men when all they did was stand up for us. They would have done that for me, you know. Yeah, so it's very important that we expressed that, but we have to do it as a community.
00:43:52
Speaker 1: Was there ever an explanation made for the excess and what statute was this sentencing taken from? In excess of two hundred years or what have you mean?
00:44:04
Speaker 15: What?
00:44:05
Speaker 1: Because all sentencing has guidelines. Yeah, so what was that taken from?
00:44:11
Speaker 16: Well, okay, so you have to understand that as these officers came with that malicious intent to do extreme harm, they came with these big sticks and these guns with these rubber bullets, and they had like these big, like three to four foot sticks that they would use solid to bash and beat people over the head. Actually assaulted Lincoln Love over his head to where blood was just leaking everywhere. That's what really inspired this situation because they thought they had already killed them, you know, so they had to act. But the statutes they went from is when they had those sticks, you know, the men who were defending him they had weapons as well, so they used those weapons against the weapons that were presented to them. They fought, but just enough to win the moment and to keep everybody at bay. They did not take life from anyone, and they maintain life. They made sure nobody else got hurt.
00:45:11
Speaker 3: You know.
00:45:12
Speaker 16: So then the court's looking at all that and saying to themselves, hey, we really need to charge them individually from every punch.
00:45:20
Speaker 3: Every.
00:45:23
Speaker 16: Action, and charge them all like with eight attempted murders, you know, when no one had lost life. And I say that again over forty years and not one life was lost, nothing but hurt, pride and hurt feelings back in nineteen eighty five.
00:45:38
Speaker 1: So how long has the organization that you had, the Pendleton two Defense Committee. How long has the Pendleton two Defense Committee been at this.
00:45:47
Speaker 16: Well, it's about five years now, and just a constant push to get this information now, you know, because and then to take that information that people receive and then accumulate a group, a collective that can move together, maintain that.
00:46:06
Speaker 2: Group and allow other people to join it as well.
00:46:09
Speaker 16: It's a strong push that needs to be done over and over and over again.
00:46:16
Speaker 3: You know.
00:46:16
Speaker 16: So sometimes people lose the momentum or or people get distracted with other things. But right now, more than ever, is the time for people to come together at this moment because these brothers are in court right now.
00:46:30
Speaker 1: I was going to say, yeah, yeah, the latest thing.
00:46:32
Speaker 16: Yeah, that's that's one of the probably the biggest update. These brothers are in court right now, and all they're trying to apply for is a sentence modification. A sentence modification means, hey you, this is the this is the sentence that you gave me. But for these reasons, can this be Can this sentence be changed? Can it be modified to something else for these reasons. So we have a very good position here, and the reason is because to get this out and to put that out, yeah, the oh, because all we're asking for is for them to change the sentence from consecutive to concurrent.
00:47:18
Speaker 2: That's it.
00:47:19
Speaker 16: So they were given twenty years for each person individually until it came to an astronomical figure, you know.
00:47:26
Speaker 2: Over two hundred years for both of them combined.
00:47:29
Speaker 16: All we're asking is that those consecutive sentences be combined into a concurrent sentence.
00:47:35
Speaker 2: That's it.
00:47:36
Speaker 16: No numbers have to change, no anything, No guilty verdicts have to change. Just run the sentence concurrent that would allow these men to be released, come home surrounded by the people that love them, honor them, surrounded by the few family members that they actually have left, who have been there since they won and always supported U. It's just an important time for people to come together and to push this because without our community push, it won't happen. We need these people adadmit about seeing these men not ever see the other side of the fence, all because they were trying to take care of us and and and protect us from harm.
00:48:16
Speaker 2: They do their lives in the way, you know, and.
00:48:20
Speaker 16: Even to this day they tell me I would do it all over again because we saved his life that day, you know, we saved his life that day.
00:48:28
Speaker 3: Wow.
00:48:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's it's it's this is real things, this is real people. When is the court day, Well, the.
00:48:34
Speaker 16: Court day hasn't been established yet, you know, so that's why. But but it is up and coming.
00:48:40
Speaker 3: Uh.
00:48:40
Speaker 16: They representing his representation is putting this stuff together to uh, to make that happen kind of soon. So that's why it's kind of urgent right now to get people to go to Pendleton too. The word Pendleton, the number two dot com on there.
00:48:56
Speaker 3: There is a.
00:48:58
Speaker 16: A statement saying, you know, from the public that they can sign to say that it's time for these brothers to come home, you know. And once we send those letters and we collect and all that information were we want to have over ten thousand, you know, to present to them and to h and then have people to come to the court date when we make that known, so we can have our presence there and say, hey, it's time for these brothers to come home.
00:49:21
Speaker 2: What are you guys going to do about it? And that's what we have to do.
00:49:24
Speaker 1: We've got a lot more to talk about and we're going to do, so we got to squeeze in a quick break. Foxy, We're going to hear from you as well, and a whole lot more. So stay with us. We'll be right back.
00:49:45
Speaker 14: WTLC A m W two three six C are Indianapolis broadcasting from the Praise Indy Indiego Studios, Indiego Boldly Moving Indy Forward. It's community Connection with Tina Cosby, brought to you by Child's Advocates, a champion for justice, opportunity and well being for children. On Praise AM thirteen ten ninety five point on.
00:50:06
Speaker 1: FM and we're back with Community Connection talking about the Pendleton two as promised the latest update and Jack Wuerta, it sounds encouraging from what you've said in terms of their impending release. They've served, each served, it's been what forty years? Over forty years, yes, and they haven't had any issues since.
00:50:35
Speaker 12: No.
00:50:35
Speaker 16: No, I mean, you know you get write ups and conduct reports, and you know, initially coming out of all that, after they were sentenced, you know, the system made it a point to give them extra punishments, extra solitude, extra years and solitary confinement. You know, so they had all these different things to overcome, but they're still here and holding strong.
00:51:00
Speaker 1: James, by all means, go ahead. I'm sure you have questions.
00:51:05
Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks Tina from the Josh. I have a question because I heard during my research on this that there was a guard during that time during the incident who happened to be white fella, and he was willing to testify on behalf of mister Cole and mister Trotter saying what had gone down then the exact truth as he saw it, and was he able to do that in court?
00:51:39
Speaker 16: And see that is a very good point to bring out. But no, short answer, he was definitely not. There were several different people who are parts of staff, who are parts of.
00:51:50
Speaker 2: The guard pool, who just.
00:51:53
Speaker 16: Give different testimony to corroborate what the Penalton two were saying about the abuse and the attacks and the blatant racism, you know. So uh but no, they were never allowed to uh and and the judge would always accept whatever reason the prosecutor would give. But not one person was able to testify on their behalf to corroborate their stories when many requested that opportunity.
00:52:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, Railroad, Yeah yeah.
00:52:22
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:52:24
Speaker 5: Also, it was another young man that we had on last time we talked about this issue, and he said that he helped to negotiate the standoff. I mean he called he called WTLC and got it on the air because he was afraid, you know, they were just gonna kill him. The the the the inmates that the prisoners who had had you know, taken a guard hostage I believe it was, and did no harm to him, just you know, we some eyes on this. So he picked up the phone and called the radio station. And to make a long story short, what came out of that was he said that that the prison administrators signed an agreement in order to end it that no one would be charged. But we don't have that paper anywhere. But that's what I mean. This is the kind of thing that could be testified to and he's willing to do it too. You know, should should they be able to get this into open court and open it back up?
00:53:38
Speaker 16: Yeah, I think you're speaking to mister Minka Beg Timber, Yeah, who happened to be there at the same time in nineteen ninety five. He's released now, he's since been released, but he suffered an underwent a lot as well, and you know, solitary confinement and everything else that came along with it. But yeah, he definitely And see that is what we're talking about here today, that community, community connection. Look at the fact that he said, who can I call? He couldn't call the police, you know, he couldn't call any level of authority out there.
00:54:17
Speaker 2: He was afraid to call. And what news station do you call?
00:54:20
Speaker 16: You know, right off the top of your head, but where you listen to your favorite DJ talking to you every day about things that matter to you, playing songs that you love, creating a sense of community. He did the only thing he could he called community and he said, these people are gonna listen to our side, and they definitely did, and they went independently of everybody else so they can watch as well. But they contacted certain authorities and giving them certain information so they.
00:54:48
Speaker 2: Can go cover it.
00:54:50
Speaker 16: Because they just felt that as soon as they get this thing back on their side, they're going to come through and wipe us all down, you know, do away with us.
00:54:58
Speaker 2: So they were acting try to.
00:55:00
Speaker 16: Save their lives and everybody else's because they understood that if something happens, we are getting the blame for this, you know, regardless of what it is.
00:55:10
Speaker 2: If somebody stubs their toe, it's our fault.
00:55:12
Speaker 16: So we're going to try to maintain order and maintain life to the best of our abilities. And they did that, you know, they did that, you know, and just briefly, you can see all this at Pendleton two dot com. The whole documentary is there, The Pendulton two They Stood Up. You can google it on YouTube. You can look for it on YouTube. The Pendulton two They Stood Up. The whole account is documented.
00:55:35
Speaker 5: Yeah, and certainly that petition is there too, isn't it.
00:55:39
Speaker 16: Jo Absolutely, the petition is right there.
00:55:42
Speaker 2: You can read it over.
00:55:43
Speaker 16: You can sign right there, submit it right there, and that will give us and then you can also become a part of the email list to where you can no have updates as they come and be a part of this situation in case we do have to go to the courthouse in Addison, Indiana, you know, and let our presence be felt because it's.
00:56:02
Speaker 2: Time for these brothers are elders, men who love us. It's time for them to come home. It's just that's that's all it is.
00:56:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we have a caller. Kevin has a question for you. Kevin, Hi, how are you there?
00:56:16
Speaker 2: Hey?
00:56:16
Speaker 17: How you guys doing good?
00:56:17
Speaker 1: Good?
00:56:17
Speaker 5: Thank you?
00:56:19
Speaker 17: Hey, hey my brother man, I appreciate what you guys are doing for those films to two up there.
00:56:22
Speaker 5: Man, that's that's commendim.
00:56:24
Speaker 3: Man.
00:56:24
Speaker 17: I got a question a couple well, a question the judge who will not allow for these testimonies to come through the guards who were there back then?
00:56:33
Speaker 10: Do we know these people's names, where they at, what they're doing now?
00:56:37
Speaker 17: What kind of capacity are they working in right now?
00:56:39
Speaker 16: And see that is a great another great question because you got to remember this was right in nineteen eighty five, eighty six, so vast majority of everybody directly related to this case, a lot of them are passed away and at the very minimum, you know, retired at this point. So there's not a lot of people who are directly related to the case that are still connected to it now.
00:57:04
Speaker 2: It's just that this new generation is holding.
00:57:08
Speaker 16: On to the legacy of white supremacy and injustice to you know, people like us, and if we don't do anything about it, then nothing will be done about it.
00:57:21
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:57:22
Speaker 17: My other question, has this been taken up nationally like a ban crump? Has anybody naturally wanted to pick us up? Maybe getting like a roller morton, maybe get it naturally, try to get some more eyes on there.
00:57:33
Speaker 3: You know.
00:57:34
Speaker 16: And you know, we've submitted for different things, and we've tried to connect with different people. Our biggest platform that we had was with two black connecting with Cornell West, doctor Cornell West, and him speaking towards that in public settings, you know, the Penalton too, so at least raising awareness. We've spoken from New York to Californi and quite a few places in between about what has happened. We've spoken at all different types of universities and everything, talking about what has happened here. So there are a lot of people that do know about this, and there are a lot of people who have decided to help us in this process.
00:58:19
Speaker 2: But we're still not exactly where we need to be.
00:58:22
Speaker 16: And until we get more of a pulse beating here for this, then I don't expect to see anything. It's going to take the people in and out in Indiana and especially Indianapolis to pull.
00:58:36
Speaker 2: Through and push through to get these brothers to home again.
00:58:39
Speaker 1: We're gonna switch gears here a little bit, not not really, because we're talking about people. We're talking about community.
00:58:45
Speaker 13: Eric.
00:58:45
Speaker 1: Can we hear a little of the sound we have with this right now?
00:59:10
Speaker 18: One thing I pose.
00:59:13
Speaker 5: Is love.
00:59:15
Speaker 1: M hmm. Jumped out That guy was grown.
00:59:21
Speaker 10: Oh my mom.
00:59:25
Speaker 1: That's when I met you in more world. I didn't catch you. Won't need to square up happened. I ain't gonna lie.
00:59:31
Speaker 14: We'll let you.
00:59:33
Speaker 12: But I didn't let you, well, not that night anyway. We didn't let no goot get in the way. We just all kicked back. I get a play, but you couldn't get away and go with your clothes and be worrying crowd about get your cause I got into double angels. No, I haven't house, but the funniest of things.
00:59:56
Speaker 15: Sound say is far.
00:59:59
Speaker 3: From you.
01:00:02
Speaker 18: Need to stay.
01:00:06
Speaker 19: That's what.
01:00:09
Speaker 2: I wos.
01:00:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, smooth group, smooth group.
01:00:19
Speaker 3: That was.
01:00:21
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, tell us a little bit about that.
01:00:24
Speaker 2: Can I give a little intro to that?
01:00:26
Speaker 1: Please?
01:00:27
Speaker 2: That's off my new album.
01:00:29
Speaker 16: Also, I'm a music producer, have been for quite some time, and my music is associated with the struggles that we go through and things like the Pendleton too. I have a new album called Helium. The album is spelled h e A l I U M with the with the word heal inside of it, which means you have to heal before you can rise. So this whole album is addressing things that within our community needs to be, that we need to look at and examine within ourselves, and affirmations that can encourage us to go to a higher frequency. You know, the same way that the music that we come from, you know, the music that sounds good but speaks to your soul. And I really wanted to come back to that with hip hop and R and B, with with with a new spind on it, but still with those same same elements. So then I met Foxy. This is Foxy right here, Foxy Cayenne. You know, because she Foxy with like an amazing artist with a super strong voice.
01:01:43
Speaker 2: As you just heard.
01:01:44
Speaker 16: She's on my album in several places. She's an amazing artist. She was so willing and eager to work with me when I first met her because I heard where she was capable of and I really want you guys to experience that as well.
01:01:58
Speaker 2: But here she is Foxy Kyenne.
01:02:00
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:02:00
Speaker 8: Yeah, So.
01:02:03
Speaker 1: Give us a little bit more. What you know when you when you first presented with the project, where did you find mean, how did you how did you feel doing it? So I was super excited.
01:02:13
Speaker 13: We met at the box out here in Indianapolis, and we had a lot of friends.
01:02:17
Speaker 1: That like worked with each other m hm.
01:02:19
Speaker 13: So we got the opportunity of like meeting each other and kind of talking a bit. And Jock's always just been like really inspiring and pushing me, like even in my own projects. He's such such support and it was just like really easy to work with him. Like with a lot of people, I go in the studio and it takes like a hot minute for us to get what we want in the sense of like what did they want for that exact sound and they're trying to figure out.
01:02:45
Speaker 1: With Jock, he's got everything ready.
01:02:47
Speaker 13: I can come in and we can just get to work and we can like focus on honing it into its best instead of wasting time trying to figure out parts and stuff. You know. So it's really cool.
01:02:58
Speaker 1: So you the recording his music Helium all ties back to the Pendleton to.
01:03:05
Speaker 2: How well there are.
01:03:10
Speaker 16: There are definitely different songs within the album, especially one called Reading Braille. Reading Braill is directly, you know, inspired by the Pendleton too.
01:03:23
Speaker 15: Uh.
01:03:24
Speaker 2: It's the face of you know, being able to.
01:03:26
Speaker 16: Present a picture of injustice, so crisp and clearly that you're just faking blindness at this point, you know, So you're reading Braill purposely. So yeah, the whole album speaks to that struggle and other struggles like it, and and and it also speaks to building our communities up those daily reaffirmations that we need to hear and to feel within ourselves to where we saying it back to ourselves, you know, things that address certain pain and certain wounds that we haven't been able to quite fully address.
01:04:04
Speaker 2: So this album gives you a way to address it.
01:04:06
Speaker 1: And this album you Foxy, are going to be featured at some of these community shows that you're going to be putting forth, tell us about that and that connection to the Pendleton.
01:04:17
Speaker 3: Two.
01:04:17
Speaker 2: Absolutely, So we will be performing.
01:04:21
Speaker 16: My artist's name and the name that you look up on all platforms, Spotify, whatever the King, trill, t H E, K I N G, t R I L L all one word.
01:04:33
Speaker 2: Look it up. You'll find the album Helium. All the music is there.
01:04:38
Speaker 16: We're going to be performing everywhere over the summer, all within the city, and every time we perform a portion of those proceeds will go to the Pendleton to Defense Fund, you know, So that'll be another way for us to help pay for a lot of these things that have to do with payment for lawyers and other things that have to be done, making making information available with everybody, and you know, we don't have too many sponsors out there.
01:05:07
Speaker 1: So, so, Foxy, did you know about the effort to free the penalty into before or after you did the recording and what are your thoughts on it?
01:05:17
Speaker 13: Now? I had known a little bit about it. He had brought it up a few times, and then he recently I've heard more and more about it.
01:05:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, so to know that you as an artist are contributing in some way to the Defense fund for this. I mean, that's that's got to be a feeling. Yeah, it's awesome.
01:05:37
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, I think it's great to support everyone around.
01:05:40
Speaker 1: Us, like mm hmm. Indeed yeh love you know, like we need to love each other and be there for each other. So, James, the community efforts here, Uh, that's outstanding. I mean, that's that's another that's another dimension to the battle.
01:05:55
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's another dimension because everybody's not going to be able to you know, go to the courthouse or you know, keep updated constantly, although I hope they go to that you know website, you know, uh Pendleton to u dot com and check them out, check out the story. But however, they can participate by checking out this Helium album and Jock, you tell me if I'm wrong. It's on all platforms right now. And just as as uh mister Jock just said, all of the I mean, they've got shows booked up and all of them will give a portion to the Pendleton to Defense uh Liberation Fund, the Penalton to Defensive Liberate Liberation Committee Liberation Fund, and that in that way they can they can you know, listen to the music, because I think, you know, not only is is mister Jock, I think gifted in how he explains their polight, these men who've been unjustly and God is against injustice, injustly unjustly incarcerated. But he also is a gifted producer, writer, musician, performer. So hopefully the Helium album will wrap, you know, help to wrap the whole process, because you know, the Penalty two to me deserved to be released as soon and as quickly as possible, you know.
01:07:35
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, so.
01:07:39
Speaker 2: Thank you, mister Patterson. I really do appreciate that.
01:07:42
Speaker 1: So it's it's a realistic possibility, very realistic possibility. I was asking you in the break that these two men, uh, mister Trotter and mister Cole could very easily be back home here in India. I guess they're both from Indianapolis. They're both from Indiappa could be home by the end of the year.
01:08:01
Speaker 2: Sons of the city.
01:08:02
Speaker 16: And if we did this thing the right way together, Yes, it is very realistic and it's it's highly probable that if we coming together as a community with all our support systems and networks standing together and have our influence felt and our presence felt at that courthouse to say, hey, it's time for these men to come home. After forty years, we think that they even do it enough for what you have accused them of. You know, let's not even fight the guilty verdict, and let's not even fight the charges that are made. Let's just give them some honor and dignity that they deserve at this point, and let's modify their sentences strictly from consecutive to concurrent. That one little word, and that will allow these men to come home. You know, they don't want you know, no harm, no foul.
01:08:51
Speaker 2: Let's get on with life and enjoy what life has to offer at this stage.
01:08:55
Speaker 3: You know.
01:08:56
Speaker 5: Yeah, people who commit murder, yes, convicted or they confess to murder, don't get as many years as you know people. And yet that's that this Helium album Real Quick is also you know, intended to heal our communities. Heal our community because right now we still have folks acting crazy doing stuff that they would Mister John can tell you that once you know, you make a mistake and they just they want to lock you up as badly as they can to keep themselves employed. And they lock you up and then you're regretting it for five, ten, fifteen, twenty years or whatever. So just that one of the mistakes. So we need to heal as a people and love one another. And Foxy said, love each other absolutely.
01:09:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so the lesson from this particular case that you're hoping our criminal justice system are, you know, are everybody that has any spoke you know that's on this tree in any way, shape or form. What are you both hoping that the lessons learned if this comes to the conclusion that you seem to think it will, that we all hope it will if this comes to a conclusion, because actually forty years function, you know, in all fairness is a life sentence because they're you know, the presumptive in Indiana's with forty to sixty five something like that, So they've already served life. Yes, for the most part, absolutely, you know.
01:10:26
Speaker 16: What I would want the most obviously, of course them to come home number one, you know, as soon as possible, release the penalty two, you know, but beyond that, what I would want the most is for us as a people to understand that these are not as isolated events as you may think, you know, just because you're hearing this story by me over the radio today. There's ten thousand stories that we can catch just by making a few passes, a few little neighborhoods out here, and we can hear a story upon your story exactly. So these things will continue to happen to us until we form a collective group who says, hey, we are going to stand together in the faces of injustice, and we will all come together because it is not just against one person or an isolated family, as much you would like it would like to think, it is us, and we will respond accordingly.
01:11:28
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:11:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a caller, another caller that has a question for you. Pierre, go ahead, you have a question.
01:11:36
Speaker 11: Oh, good afternoon, Good afternoon. You know, I've been following the story while you guys have been bringing it on Tina for the last couple of years. Thanks. Yeah. And the thing what I want to know is there is no person more prominent in the United States of America for getting these types of cases out then the Reverend now Sharpton, does he know about this case? Does he have you guys approached him about this case?
01:12:15
Speaker 15: No?
01:12:16
Speaker 16: There, I mean that is one of the few people that I don't know. Maybe before I got there, maybe there might have been some type of attempt to contact, but none that I'm aware of.
01:12:27
Speaker 1: And national action networks, Yeah, organization, okay, that you can contact. And he makes it a point to share with the community and people that they can't go anywhere unless they're invited. They don't just storm in, to contrary to popular belief, they don't just storm in and do whatever. But if you let them know and share and invite them into the situation, they typically investigated. If I have that correct, I'm pretty sure I did.
01:12:59
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's that's the Reverend sharptons things because they don't want The Reverend Sharpton doesn't want to mess up anybody's chances that gets and so he wants people to invite him in to their situation and then he'll work it from there, because there's just nobody more prominent in the United States of America. When our sharpings show them, that's the last thing they want, just for him and the in the documentary, Yeah, they don't want when our sharping comes, the cameras come, the heat comes, you know, and and and I'm sure this gentleman knows, Tina, there is a whole different reality out there that we don't see. We don't see how these judges act with these courts. I'm dealing with it now. There's a whole lot of things that the public just doesn't see. But the people who are in it, the attorneys, the civil rights people who are in it, this man right here sitting in your studio, they see things that the general public don't see. They don't understand. They think all judges are honest and fair and all of that, and they agent and they think, you know, they're more apt to believe the system and the administrators before they'll believe the people who are being victimized. I get off, I'm gonna get off the radio. But you know, when you when somebody tells you something, people are more apt to believe the authorities before you have to. You have to really show them evidence before they will believe you. And it is just an uphild battle. But you get somebody like revernd now shopping behind you. He brings the campus to bring the heat right. And I just wanted to suggest that thank you for taking my call.
01:15:19
Speaker 1: Thank you, Pierre, appreciate it. And yeah, it's hard to believe that more. Pierre brought an interesting point heat that more heat hasn't been applied to this particular case over the years, because this is egregious. I mean just you know, two hundred years.
01:15:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, to see and you know, you got to give credit where credit is due.
01:15:40
Speaker 16: Ideal C was very, very skillful and burying this case, burying it like I did fifteen years inside Indiana prisons and institutions, and I never heard of this case.
01:15:57
Speaker 2: Until I got out.
01:15:59
Speaker 1: You know, you were you at Pendleton.
01:16:00
Speaker 2: No, I wasn't that Pendleton.
01:16:02
Speaker 16: I was at Level two facilities, you know, Westville, the farm, et cetera. But but I didn't even know about this in there, you know, doing time. So that's how deeply that this story was was was buried. So I see a lot of people are just now finding out about it now, so you know they're there. We any type of uh uh, you know, notification to the people about this case primarily mostly has come from us, the Defense Committee.
01:16:33
Speaker 3: You know.
01:16:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've done a fantastic job, and we want to keep getting that message out there. Fox and you keep singing, you got to you got a gift there and get a real gift. Thank you for being a part of this as well, and you've done a fantastic job of pulling a lot of pieces together in what James clearly is is a complicated case. I mean, there's no doubt about it. It's complicated.
01:16:58
Speaker 16: Yeah, and you know that's complicated as it is, but simple but simple because the state didn't even argue much against the accusations of these guards being members of the ku Klux Klan, where you know, they didn't even put up a fight in these things, you know they you know, and yeah, and you know, so they're trying to they're trying to bury them. But like I said, and in closing, please Pendleton two dot com you can find all the information.
01:17:27
Speaker 1: You can watch.
01:17:29
Speaker 16: Yes, the word it's the number two, not not the not the numeral the number I mean like well, you know the two the two lines like the number two.
01:17:41
Speaker 2: Oh no, they don't have that on there.
01:17:43
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sorry, I know I was asking serious, I wasn't money.
01:17:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're good.
01:17:49
Speaker 20: Good yeah, the number number number yeah, because when you said that, what you're saying, it's not the let's.
01:18:00
Speaker 5: Let's make it simple. The E N D L E T O N two like one two the number two.
01:18:08
Speaker 1: And at the website and then keep it simple.
01:18:12
Speaker 5: Kay, no, no, no, Eric, I want to hear you too. But Helium is the album you know for the young people. Go to Helium and you can find out, uh, you know, how you can help the Pendleton too, to at least absolutely. And yeah, so go ahead. Eric was going to say.
01:18:28
Speaker 4: Once, once you get to Pendleton two dot com, you can take action. You can donate, you can sign the petition, you can schedule the screening.
01:18:35
Speaker 2: You can even write to.
01:18:37
Speaker 1: Which they love and from the community. And letters.
01:18:41
Speaker 2: Letters, that's the difference.
01:18:43
Speaker 1: You've been there before. What are letters like when you're behind bars.
01:18:47
Speaker 2: There is nothing?
01:18:48
Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, that is their taste of freedom now, you know. And that's what they really get inspired by us. When you know, we go to Pennsylvania and then be maybe twenty students from a university in Pennsylvania write them to you know, tell them what they're what their sacrifice has meant to them, and what they're learning from this. They come back and they call me and say, hey, John, listen, you know, and they really pour their hearts out, you know, and you so you can really see how that affects them. And and that is the shining lights in those moments of darkness that really affected.
01:19:26
Speaker 5: Guess I'm signing the petition. I'm signing great, thank you, thank you.
01:19:30
Speaker 3: We need that.
01:19:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can do that. We can absolutely, That's wonderful.
01:19:36
Speaker 2: That's what we want.
01:19:37
Speaker 1: Thank you so so, Eric. I guess we could play them off with a little bit more of us.
01:19:42
Speaker 4: I'm gonna probably restart again.
01:19:45
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
01:19:46
Speaker 1: Again, thank you in the website again, Pendleton number.
01:19:51
Speaker 10: Number to.
01:19:54
Speaker 16: The King Trill Helium. That's the album The King Trill t H E K I and E t R I l L. Listen to it with somebody you care about.
01:20:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you all the best with getting the Penalton two released and back home after forty years. We certainly applaud your efforts and wish you all the luck.
01:20:12
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
01:20:13
Speaker 1: Thank you for being on.
01:20:14
Speaker 2: Thank you, Annapolis.
01:20:15
Speaker 1: Thank you. And as we listen to a little bit more, we will be back right after this lines are open three one, seven, four, eight, zero, thirteen ten, we'll be right back.
01:20:25
Speaker 12: I ain't gonna we'll let you well. I didn't let you well, not that nine anyway. We didn't let no mood get in the way. We just okay, back I can plead, but you couldn't get away.
01:20:43
Speaker 14: Let's get back to the conversation. It's Community Connection with Tina Cosby, brought to you by Child Advocates, a champion for justice, opportunity and well being for children on phrase Am thirteen ten ninety five point one FM.
01:20:58
Speaker 1: And we're back with Communit Connect. Lines are open three one seven for eight zero thirteen ten, three one seven for eight zero thirteen ten. What a what a good segment, What a great segment. Absolutely well, pardon I'm sorry, James Well.
01:21:12
Speaker 5: I was waiting for Eric to speak there, but what a lovely Mother's Day segment. And I was gonna say, when it done an a month or two ago out there, bring them home for Mother's Day.
01:21:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely they You know, these kinds of campaigns and projects are not easy, and they're very taxing on you emotionally what have you. And so I always admire people that you know, that stay the course and work until it's done, and you know, these two certainly are. I cannot imagine. I can't imagine having to spend basically a lifetime for something that you didn't do, you know, your two hundred years. And the one thing I forgot to ask him, how much time do they have left? You know, if they had, they were already served forty and they were sentenced to two hundred. So I'm assuming they got what another forty or fifty.
01:22:05
Speaker 18: Years to go.
01:22:07
Speaker 5: It's a collective two hundred. I do know that much. One of them got more than the other. Okay, so they've already served forty both of them. Seen, I got plenty of times. If they don't modify, they have the possibility. I'm not going to claim it. I'm claiming them coming out, but they have the possibility of staying there, you know. But we're not going to claim there no no for for for their life.
01:22:30
Speaker 1: No, we won't know. Let's go back to the phone lines. Lines are open until we're until we're out of here in about thirty minutes. Guess who's back. Lifestyles with Eric. Go ahead, Lifestyles with Eric. How are you doing.
01:22:43
Speaker 11: I'm doing well.
01:22:44
Speaker 3: Happy Friday, folks, That.
01:22:46
Speaker 1: Friday, that'd be Friday.
01:22:50
Speaker 19: I just wanted to give you my you know, I try to call every now and then and give you my street assessment.
01:22:57
Speaker 3: You know, That's what I do for a living.
01:22:59
Speaker 19: I'm off work now and i'm driving down.
01:23:01
Speaker 3: I just rode across the the thirty three bridge.
01:23:03
Speaker 1: Actually, okay, don't ask me, because I'm gonna tell you too.
01:23:10
Speaker 19: When I said, I just want I love this town. I love my home with the city the city tore up. I mean it's from Pott's.
01:23:20
Speaker 10: Let me get my words together. It's it's depressing.
01:23:23
Speaker 14: It's it's.
01:23:25
Speaker 19: I'm just I'm disappointed. I'm tired of hearing we don't have the revenue. I want to know what the heck happened. Who let the streets go like this and the neighborhood go like this? It looks I mean, I'm driving.
01:23:43
Speaker 3: I do this for a living.
01:23:44
Speaker 10: It doesn't look good.
01:23:46
Speaker 19: Our city is crumbling from the homes unless you live on down On Delaware or New.
01:23:53
Speaker 5: Jersey a couple of those areas.
01:23:55
Speaker 19: Yes, those those homes are now worth a million dollars. But besides that, this is a deplighted city.
01:24:02
Speaker 9: It's just it's it makes you want to cry.
01:24:06
Speaker 3: I love this place.
01:24:08
Speaker 19: Although I want some land and I want to move, maybe to the country, I love this.
01:24:12
Speaker 3: I love this place. This is my home.
01:24:14
Speaker 10: This city looks like crap.
01:24:18
Speaker 2: Go ahead, didn't they redo that bridge?
01:24:21
Speaker 3: Eric?
01:24:22
Speaker 1: Yes, project so so check this out.
01:24:27
Speaker 19: Bridge is done, but it's potholes all the way up, all the way up the bridge.
01:24:32
Speaker 10: I mean the way up.
01:24:34
Speaker 5: So they didn't so they didn't repay.
01:24:37
Speaker 19: Going up towards Derby Hill and the old Iron Skillet restaurant. So as you go down south back to the bridge, it's potholes and potholes.
01:24:47
Speaker 15: So it's just the five.
01:24:48
Speaker 8: Hundreds getting ready to be here in a couple of weeks.
01:24:51
Speaker 19: This is ridiculous.
01:24:52
Speaker 11: This is absolutely ridiculous.
01:24:55
Speaker 10: The highway by downtown where you know they did that a.
01:24:58
Speaker 8: Couple of years ago.
01:24:59
Speaker 10: Heck, it's pot holes.
01:25:00
Speaker 19: And speed bumps on that butter They just did this stuff. So my question is when they do do things, somebody is putting the cheapest things they can put down so that they get the job again. Something's going on, somebody's stilling.
01:25:17
Speaker 10: I don't know.
01:25:18
Speaker 19: I can't put my finger on it. I can't put my and blame any name or anything. But I'm telling you, as a citizen that's been here fifty three years, almost fifty four, I'm riding through these neighborhoods. Something's going down.
01:25:31
Speaker 5: I don't know what it is.
01:25:32
Speaker 19: I can't put my finger right on it. But I'm passionate about this because I'm tired of not being able to just ride around like I used to and without potentially I just got a rim fix today, three bends I didn't put recorded to the City's I'm not gonna do that.
01:25:50
Speaker 10: No, I'm not gonna get it.
01:25:52
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I'm on my fifth tire right now. I mean I'm riding on a donut right now until I can get to a tire shop tomorrow because the waight is just ridiculous. I can't do it before work, I can't do it after work, so i have to wait till the weekend. But I'm on tire number five. But then the last year, in fact, one of my when we hear that, well, one of our co workers, he said, what is it with you entires? He said, do you drive bad?
01:26:15
Speaker 13: Or what?
01:26:15
Speaker 1: I said? I don't know if I got a bad set of tires. I've been driving for one hundred years, and I don't think it had anything to do with my driving.
01:26:23
Speaker 11: It's just here's the thing I don't know.
01:26:25
Speaker 10: This is the thing.
01:26:26
Speaker 8: You're not at fault. Here's the thing.
01:26:28
Speaker 19: If you do not set up on your steering wheel like you just started driving and you're scared you won't you're going to hit a pothole.
01:26:37
Speaker 10: You can't look away from your car.
01:26:39
Speaker 1: I mean, that's your phone not turning down.
01:26:42
Speaker 19: You have to look straight ahead and down. I'm just telling you that's the only way you can maybe get through.
01:26:48
Speaker 3: You know. That's it.
01:26:51
Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely.
01:26:53
Speaker 19: I hope somebody has a solution. I don't want to talk to the mayor ever again. He does not need to run for re electing. In my opinion, please don't because people are going to fall for it again and vote for him again.
01:27:09
Speaker 11: We need we need new.
01:27:10
Speaker 3: Leadership, period, period, dot.
01:27:14
Speaker 11: And that's it all forgiving me.
01:27:16
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, thank you, thank you, and uh, you know, I feel the pain.
01:27:23
Speaker 2: I feel it what you said. The fifth's my fifth tire.
01:27:27
Speaker 1: Number, tire number five. Now, thankfully this one will not, necessarily I don't think, need to be replaced because it's right smack dab in the middle. So that is technically an area that can be repaired because on either of the side panels, which typically tear up when you dip down into a pothole. You know, you either get one or the other side panel. But they said this one was probably a pothole too, you know, because of the way it the way the cut is. I'm sorry you were saying, James, I'm sorry.
01:28:02
Speaker 5: Well, you know, how much do you and Eric have to harp on this? I mean, how much? What does it take? I mean, I heard you saying the other day about Roadaball Road. I mean, I've called the compliment over there on my complement Colos Perkins. I don't get a call back, but I said I was gonna keep calling them until I do. That road runs along from sixty second to seventy first Street north and south. Two schools, two great schools are there, and it's like an obstacle course. You know what an obstacle course is?
01:28:39
Speaker 3: I do.
01:28:39
Speaker 1: And I don't know how the buses do it without coming out every day and tires just totally dilapidate. I don't know how the buses because they got they've got elementary school to the to the north, and they've got the middle school to the south, and from sixty second Street all the way to seventy first Street, it is nothing but an obstacle course on both sides. On both sides, that little bitty bridge right after you head off seventy first Street if you're heading north, that has been repaved, but that you know, like they were saying, leading up to it and leading around it. And by the way, I'm we I haven't gotten in and we need to find out because we're getting ever so close to the race the status of the sixteenth Street bridge and what's going on with that project. No is stone cold silence, radio silence.
01:29:26
Speaker 5: So yeah, but you know, I mean speaking of the race, you know, sixteenth Street before you get to Speedway, you know, going from White River from that bridge site to you know, the edge of Speedway. Nothing wrong with that, Nothing wrong with those street lanes on each side, nothing nothing wrong with the lanes going past the State House or downtown. But but but like Lifestyle said, what gims in certain neighborhoods, you know what what gives here?
01:29:57
Speaker 1: James, I've reported Rotabaa as well, and uh yeah, I Carlos, I'm going.
01:30:05
Speaker 5: Come election time next year.
01:30:07
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm remember it at all of them reported everywhere you go you find them, and I'm just I am sure that there have been collision, you know, not that we hear about it too much, but collisions as a result of people swerving to avoid potholes.
01:30:22
Speaker 2: I know them.
01:30:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, there, there has to be a number of those.
01:30:26
Speaker 5: Aren't there. I mean, I mean the money. The money can go where the priorities are for the people in power. And I understand the little people who call this show all the time. They don't know what to do because you know, they're not in power.
01:30:39
Speaker 1: No, no, they're not in power. And if you don't, you know. Just and like I said, I was being ridiculed in the parking lot today. Reverend Jim was laughing. He was making fun. He said, what do you do? Girl? I said, And I was out there throwing a fit about something else anyway, because I slammed my hand down, I said, Reverend you you pulled up just in time because I'm calming down. But anyhow, let let's go back to the one line. We got a lot of folks that want to want to weigh in here. Let's see Frank. Mister Frank, go ahead, how are you.
01:31:13
Speaker 3: I'm happy Mother's Day to you and all the mothers.
01:31:20
Speaker 8: Yeah, thanky, mister Frank's right.
01:31:23
Speaker 3: Good to hear your boys.
01:31:25
Speaker 10: I just got a simple question to say about the powtholes and and everything.
01:31:30
Speaker 3: Uh, here's what he deals. When Marion County gets white enough, you don't have to worry about no powertholes, no more.
01:31:41
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well wow.
01:31:46
Speaker 5: Wow wow, Deacon Deacon used to be on the front.
01:31:53
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, you know we know what that wow means worth a thousand words. Okay, let's go back to the phone lines. Mayhem, go ahead, how are you?
01:32:03
Speaker 8: Hey?
01:32:03
Speaker 10: How's it going?
01:32:04
Speaker 1: Yeah?
01:32:06
Speaker 5: Hey, how's going? Good?
01:32:07
Speaker 10: Good show? Hey the merri din come on your show and tell you he was running again. He did it last Saturday on what's it called show?
01:32:16
Speaker 1: Who's come on?
01:32:19
Speaker 10: At twelve o'clock. Pastor the pastor.
01:32:23
Speaker 1: Unity in the Community, Pastor Jackson, the mayor absolutely declared his candidacy. That's news because that would have been big news if he said he was running again.
01:32:33
Speaker 10: Yeah, he came on there with his I guess his bodyguard or whoever they.
01:32:41
Speaker 1: Did he say he was running or did he say he would consider or he's considering a run? Because those are two distinct and separate things. And my cast is he said, Okay, I'm not saying you didn't hear.
01:32:52
Speaker 10: I just I just think no, No, I'm saying I'm trying to I'm trying to remember I was dozing off or whatever, but I'm pretty sure or he said he was running running again. He got some he got some new heavy hitters around him, insulating him he.
01:33:10
Speaker 1: You know, he might just get in again because he got his position has been and what has made news is that he was entertaining and considering a bit okay. As of May twenty six, Indianapis Mayor Joe Hawk said has not officially announced he is running for for his term, but stated he is weighing a run for the twenty twenty seven elections. So that, like I said, if he had if he had declared it definitively on Pastor Jacksony show, we would have known.
01:33:40
Speaker 10: If if I stard to be corrected, maybe somebody need to go back and check it out.
01:33:44
Speaker 15: But I.
01:33:46
Speaker 10: Recalled he was, he was on. He interviewed him and he ain't taking no phone calls or nothing. But I think he said he was thinking.
01:33:53
Speaker 5: But running, mister man, before you go, Before you go, mister Mayham, that that was a good point. You brought up the fact that he went on that show and said he was entertaining an idea of running. That in itself is uh it's diametrically opposed to what he said before the last election when he said this will be my final time running.
01:34:23
Speaker 10: The last time he was on seniors show, she asked him the questions and he got really indignant, and I knew he wasn't coming back. H you asked him something and he got really indignant about it, or said, yeah, he's not coming back. I want to give advice to the last caller. Uh, I forgot the b name.
01:34:45
Speaker 5: No, not lifestyle lifestyle.
01:34:48
Speaker 10: Yeah, life lifestyle, lifestyle and other people. Do your own investigation about the roads because nothing new was going down. Uh. They take the stuff up, run it through a machine, and put it back down there. That's why your roads look raggedy. In the chair quick and also people buying me I wonder, I don't know why people buy new cars to put on put on these streets because the roads are actually tearing your cars up.
01:35:16
Speaker 1: Good point, All right, Okay, I wonder.
01:35:21
Speaker 10: I wanted to ask you something. I don't know how to go about this. Is anybody, any relatives or anybody you can get on that. Uh, people to buy houses. You only supposed to buy one house living in for so many years, but people come about the shortest houses. That's not as short as of houses. It's people that got houses. I know on this uh where I used to live at, two people, Uh it's only like ten or twelve houses. But one person got four houses uh on that block. The only live in one and the other two were empty. Then the other one got maybe four or five houses. They only live in one, but the other houses are empty. I don't know. They thought they was gonna hold out for them the bomb, wait for people to bomb. But uh, these people got got these houses and they got them sett them like somebody live in them and they don't live them. On one block you got two people, they got maybe eight or nine houses.
01:36:22
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know any okay, go ahead, no, thank thank you, Mayhem A couple of me too. I don't know of any particular rule where you can only buy one you say, you're supposed to buy one house and live in and people can buy as many houses as they want is they can afford. I don't think that there's anything wrong with that. As far as a housing shortage, I don't think there is a shortage. There probably is a shortage of affordable housing. But I think what you might be referring to in the real estate market is that there is a shortage of houses on the market. Houses on the market, you know, a lot of people are staying in their homes a lot longer and not selling, moving and you know, doing what you know, just like in the in the car industry, there's a shortage of used cars, good reliable used cars, because folks just don't want to, you know, they don't want to absorb that expense of a brand new car with a sticker still on it. So the inventory of new the inventory of new houses or houses for sale is low. But it doesn't necessarily mean that there aren't any houses in the United States. It just means that the inventory, in terms of the buying and selling space, the inventory of houses for sale is low. There's not a whole lot to choose from now. As far as the shortage, there has long been a long standing shortage of affordable housing for average, middle of the road income Americans. There's no doubt about that that is a housing shortage. But to the point you may where you're supposed to get at one house and live in it, and some people eight eight and nine. That's this capitalism, that's the American well, might you can own as many as you want.
01:38:04
Speaker 4: Might be talking about I can't think of the proper terminology these companies coming in buying up out of town investor investors, investors and then renting them.
01:38:13
Speaker 1: Renting them. Yeah, then you know, at ridiculous rates. That's so much so that a number of home homeowners associations have had to amend there. You know, they've had to amend their rules, so to speak, to to limit the percent the percentage of rentals that they allow and their the covenants. I do believe that that's what. Yeah, so I think I think I got what he was saying. I think I think that's but there's no housing shortage, particularly unless you're talking about in the affordable housing.
01:38:48
Speaker 4: The cost is ridiculous. It is to buy a house, to buy a car. And they keep saying, well, we can't sell callers or houses. Well, there's a reason.
01:38:56
Speaker 1: There's a reason. You want way too much money, way too much money, and the uh, you know, the costs to build all the cost cost to build yourself. A final call, final call, this is the name of a newspaper. But then let's take our last call of the show. Share you get the last call go ahead, how are.
01:39:14
Speaker 18: You eighteen nineteen? That Happy Mother's Day to you and.
01:39:20
Speaker 8: Listeners out there.
01:39:21
Speaker 5: Listen, there is no perfect city, Tina. We know that there's no perfect city.
01:39:27
Speaker 18: I think that, you know, with all these potholes and chuck holes and things like that, I mean, somebody's obviously have to be pocketing some of that money that they're supposedly getting or supposed to have.
01:39:38
Speaker 5: You know, the lottery was supposed to.
01:39:40
Speaker 18: Come through and help us with the schools and help us with the roads and the casinos and off the where's that money going?
01:39:47
Speaker 9: You know what I mean?
01:39:48
Speaker 18: Why do they have to use cheap materials and such like that to fix our potholes and the and the other thing is, you know, to the brother that called in earlier, I mean we we again, we don't live in a perfect but we can't bash where we live at. And if we don't, you know, if we don't like what we see going on, then let's try to be part of the change. You know, maybe call down and see if there's something that you can do to help, or maybe.
01:40:11
Speaker 5: Run for the office if you think you can do better.
01:40:14
Speaker 18: I mean, I just don't think people should be bashing their city, and what have you liked that?
01:40:18
Speaker 10: I mean, you know, and the mayor. You know, the mayor.
01:40:21
Speaker 18: He's not a perfect mayor, but yet I mean, I don't know what he's doing down there, but you know, there needs to be somebody needs to come along and try to do better if we can. So, you know, I think we should be trying to be part of the situation versus part of the problem.
01:40:36
Speaker 10: I mean, I hit a chuck hole a couple of a couple of weeks ago that I mean, I know, I know, I sell in it, you know, just just you know that it was just that deep.
01:40:46
Speaker 18: And I also want to remind drivers too, when you're driving, be careful. You know, you almost got to hit that chuck hole, because if you hit another car, that's the more expensive.
01:40:57
Speaker 8: Than it is to hit that chuck hole.
01:40:59
Speaker 18: Said that, we got to hit a chuck hole, period, but be careful with that, you know, go ahead and hit the chuck hole versus hitting another car because a lot of people swerve and they swerve right in front of you trying to keep from hitting.
01:41:11
Speaker 5: That chuck hole.
01:41:11
Speaker 18: But hitting the chuck hole is less expensive than it is with you hitting a car.
01:41:19
Speaker 5: To say, people don't think about that. Just think about that. People don't think about that.
01:41:22
Speaker 18: So all right, thanks for taking a call.
01:41:25
Speaker 1: Thank you appreciated. Here and uh so here we are at the end of a show, in the end of another week. Uh oh, well a lot, but yeah, the pothole thing is an emotional thing.
01:41:38
Speaker 4: And uh a lot of public tax dollars going into the new hotel being built down here.
01:41:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I thought they're they're directed. Yeah, and where we got I don't know where it was ever, but the lottery money was never going toward roads and schools. The lottery money, uh is used for teacher and fireirefighter pensions for the most part. That's the majority of the teachers and firefighter pensions. Now maybe the teachers name and there's something indicated that the lottery would be used for schools, but I think that that was some of the planned direction for it. But yeah, anyway, go ahead, Yeah.
01:42:19
Speaker 5: Martine, and I just want to comment a little bit about what Sherry said. I mean, I think she made some good points. However, we live in representative government. We picked up people we want to represent us, and then we expect them to do what we ask them to do. They're taking all our tax dollars, lots of them, so we expect them to do that. And yeah, we you know, we want to have a little bit of pride about where we live. However, I would say that you get the government that you that you tolerate, and you know, if you if you if you want to tolerate these kinds of conditions on our streets while they go and build hotels or whatever, then that's what you get. If that's what you tolerate. But you know, you don't have to live in a city like that, you can. I've been to plenty of cities where their roads are really eight the The local government is the lowest form of government, closest to the people. Okay, so you don't have to put up with the people you elect to local government if they don't. And mayor daily you know, uh mayor of Washington, the first black mayor of Chicago, they will tell you, I mean they can't tell you they're both gone, but they would have told you that local things like streets, fire protection, police protection, those basic things. I don't want to get them on soapbox. Those things are very important to people.
01:43:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are h And as you say, James, we.
01:43:46
Speaker 5: Pay for it, yeah, lots of Yes, this tire right, yeah.
01:43:53
Speaker 1: No, yeah, the tire, fifth tire and hopefully this one won't have to be replaced. It can just be plugged and repaired.
01:43:59
Speaker 4: And I get all my way, but I'll just say this. Our streets are on the cover of the New York Times.
01:44:04
Speaker 2: Was it a couple of years ago?
01:44:05
Speaker 1: Oh really America?
01:44:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, New York Times, one of the of the New York papers. Yeah, about our streets being so bad. That's all I'll say.
01:44:15
Speaker 1: Not good, Okay, we'll stay after that one.
01:44:18
Speaker 3: Not good.
01:44:18
Speaker 1: You know my you know my request. We need a podpoles?
01:44:21
Speaker 11: Are you said that? I agree?
01:44:24
Speaker 1: But whoever does that is probably going to be elected king of the world. Whoever decides to figure out a way to do that, because that's that's what's needed, uh more so than anything. Hey, thank you all as always for listening our website. Praiseindie dot com. I'm hearing the music that means we're out of time. Williemore Junior on the radio is up next again. Happy Mother's Day to everyone out there. Hope everyone has a great weekend. We'll be back on Monday with a whole lot more for James and Eric, thank you both as always, and we'll be talking to y'all again in a couple of days. You well, Thank you everybody, have a good weekend for everybody here. Yeah, thank you, thank you very much for everyone here. This is community connection
