One Shot: Talking Comics, Art, & Life with Writer & Artist Cory Turner

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Oh, hello there, Internet. Welcome to this special Comic Cast One-Shot.
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I'm Michael Carroll, alongside not Jong Lee today. That's because
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I am joined by a special guest to the podcast,
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a first-timer to the podcast, and someone I've been talking
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to since I first met them at Comicpalooza, and that
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is one comic book creator, writer, and artist, Corey Turner. Now,
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you may know his work under Final Night Illustrations. You
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can go to FinalNightIllustrations.com to find out more, or follow
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him on social media on TikTok at FinalNight0x3, or on
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Instagram and threads at FinalNightIllustrations.com. And that's night with a K.
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So K-N-I-G-H-T illustrations, final night illustrations. I had a blast
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talking to Corey at Comicpalooza when I first met him.
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And I had a blast talking to him for this
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issue of Comicast. It's been something that has been in
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the works for a while due to schedules, mainly my schedule.
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My schedule has been the issue in the last however
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long it's been. So I'm glad I was finally able
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to get with Corey on this issue of Comic Cast
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ahead of his appearance this weekend at Beaumont Comic Con.
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You can find out more information at BeaumontCon.com to find
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out about guests and the lineup and what all you
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can expect from the event. But Corey and I had
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a wonderful discussion that ranged from his artwork, his process,
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to life, to gaming, and.
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So many other things.
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That i hope folks enjoy this one this one was
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a really i thought special conversation that cory and i
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had and uh... without further ado let's get to cory
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turner joining comic cast now is a newcomer to the
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podcast but someone i i've talked to since meeting him
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at comic.
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Palooza earlier this year uh.
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cory turner comic book artist writer I forgot to ask
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any other titles I should add to that, to that list.
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Oh, honestly, uh, uh, husband and father.
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There you go. Can't miss with those canvas with those. Well, right. No,
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not at all. Well, Corey, uh, thank you again.
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Like we were talking a little bit beforehand before we
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started recording. Thank you for taking the time to join
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us on, on comic cast. Um, You know, and I
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mentioned we met at Comicpalooza, and I think we met
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around David Crownson's booth, didn't we?
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Yes. Man, I can say this right here, because my daughter,
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she was walking around, and she was handing out my cards,
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and just so happened, I passed his booth, and I
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saw he was doing the Harriet Tubman Demon Slayer. And
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I was like, oh my God, I've been wanting to
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get this book for so long, but I did not
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want to leave my booth because, you know, you never
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want to leave your booth unmet.
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Right, right.
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So, my daughter's like, just go. It's right there. So,
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I went over there and, hey, this is a conversation
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with you guys and, hey, one thing leads to another
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and We are.
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And here we are, here we are on the podcast.
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Yeah.
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It's, it's so funny because like that, I think it was,
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I met David because he ended up following me, uh, through,
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let's see, I'm trying to remember the, the, how it
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came about. Cause David and I talked about it before
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you got there. And I think it was because I was,
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that's what it was. I was moderating the panel for
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Nicholas Draper, Ivy earlier that, that, that, that con and,
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and he found me through something that, that Nicholas re
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posted for comic Palooza. And so then I just went
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up to David and, and just, you know, wanted to
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introduce myself sort of thing. And then it ended up being,
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I'm just standing there talking to David for, for however long, uh,
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and he's another one. I got to get another person.
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I got to get on this podcast very soon. Um,
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and then, yeah, I've standing by David and talking to David.
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like you, a lot of people were like, oh man,
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Harriet Tubman, Demon Slayer. I got to check this book out.
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So then I ended up meeting so many other people
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through David from just people wanting to check out that book.
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Man, you know, some, and you brought up Nicholas for
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that right there. I met him just as like right
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before it opened. Oh, I've been a longtime fan of
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that guy. You ever fanboyed for a minute?
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Yes, yes, 100%.
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Man, I could not get my words out properly, and
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this guy was like, I'm just a regular guy.
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I'm like, no, you're not. No, you're not. You did
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so many cool things, man.
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I'm like, dude, we were two different tier levels.
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Right. I, you know, I had the same thing when I,
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you know, doing the panel with him, it was very
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much a, uh, I'm sitting there and then he walks
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up and I'm like, oh yeah, that's, oh snap.
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It's happening. This is real.
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Yeah. This is real. This is really happening. You know, it's,
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you like, so you, you think you'd be ready for
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certain things and then you're like, I'm here.
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And is that, is that kind of what you experienced?
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You know, we, you know, we've been talking about comic
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blues a bit and is that kind of how you
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like looked at comic blues? Cause was that, I think
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that was your first comic blues, right? Or no, it
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was your second.
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This is my second go around. That's right.
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That's right.
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And, uh, like honestly for me, comic blues is my
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biggest one I do. And for me, that's, that's my big,
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that's the big show, you know? Uh, Like a few
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years ago, me and a few buddies of mine, we
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all wanted to pull a comic out. And for reasons
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that didn't quite pan out, some guys decided to go
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their separate directions. But I always stayed true to wanting
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to get a comic out. But while talking to those guys...
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we always talked about kind of Palooza being the show.
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So for me looking at it, yeah, this is, I mean,
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I'm like, man, this is, this is it right here
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for me.
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And do you, you know, and for folks that don't
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know you and your work, that's part of why we're
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having this conversation is kind of illuminate folks. Because, you know,
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I was learning about your work too, at comic Palooza and,
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and getting to see your, your, your books there. And,
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just talking to you is such a blast. Talk, talk,
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go back to what you were just saying just now
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about the, the, the having that idea on the couch
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with the friends. Was that the kind of the beginnings
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of the idea for the book or was, did it
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start earlier?
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Well, uh, well that right there, that book, right, that
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book that I'm talking about right there, that was a
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completely different comic right there. But for Ignition, uh, Ignition
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was a comic. The idea came while me and my wife,
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we were going on one of our anniversary trips. I
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couldn't even begin to tell you which anniversary it was.
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I think it may be the 7th or 8th. But
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we're driving, and a song came on, and the artist
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kept using the word ignition, ignition, ignition. And I thought
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about it. I'm like, I've never heard of a character
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with that name. So basically I just started plotting a
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lot of stuff around that name to the point to
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where I was like, okay, uh, like what are some
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things I like? And I always had a thing for
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like action adventures, uh, for high fantasy. So I started
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taking some of my heroes, like He-Man, Goku, and Superman.
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And I was like, how can I smash these characters
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up together to make something pretty cool? Because I wanted
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to make somebody that when things go wrong, that they
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can always find a light or a better way to
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go about things, to never really give up when things
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look bad. So when I'm, when I designed this character
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right here, I always wanted to bring someone to life
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that kind of breeds hope, even when things look horrible.
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And, and why was it that, that, that focus on,
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on hope or what about hope? Was it like, was
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it just something just because of the world we are
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in nowadays or just more personal?
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Well, that's kind of, well, for me, that's kind of
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more personal not to, you know, go on a dark
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side of things. Uh, like I lost my mom, uh,
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years ago when I was like, really, I'm not gonna
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say real young, but I was 18 when my mom
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passed away. And, pretty much that was around that time
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right there. I didn't have a lot of hope left,
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even though, you know, she always pushed me to do
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my art. And it was kind of hard to see anything,
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you know, good about life because I was like, the
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one thing I really cared about is no longer here.
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But what wound up happening is about, I don't say
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maybe it a year or so later, I wound up
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meeting the love of my life. You know, and just
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like with my mom, she continued to push me to
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do more art to the point to where I started
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seeing like, even though things look bad, there's always something
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good that can come out of something.
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There's always something that you can work towards or build towards,
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even in the like the hardest of times, darkest of
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times or, or things like that. Cause I know for like,
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for me personally, my, my, my grandmother and grandfather passed
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away within like four months apart of five years ago.
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And it's, it's, it's tough, man.
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Cause like grief, you never know, like, like you live
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with it. Like where people, let me think how to
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say it. People think that you can just kind of
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get over it at times, and that's not the case.
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You live with it. You learn to live with it,
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if anything.
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Yes. That's the thing right there. You learn to accept.
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You never fully– I don't want to use the word
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embrace because that's a weird word. You never– like I said,
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you learn to deal with it, but it's always there
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at the back part of your mind.
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Mm-hmm.
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Like that person's no longer there. So honestly, like when
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it came down to that right there, I really wanted
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to show people that, you know, hey, things can look bad,
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but we can still be hopeful. And not to mention
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what the things that's happening now, you know, I want
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to say we need more hope than anything right now.
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Well, it's... I mean, you are not wrong. I mean,
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with the constant waves of, of whatever's happening currently, uh, it's,
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it's dark, it's dark a lot of times. And so like,
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I know for myself, I find myself gravitating to more
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hopeful stories or more heroic stories or more like, even,
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even when I play a video game, I'm not choosing
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the dark path. I want to choose the light path.
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You know, yes. I mean, because here's the thing right here.
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The main reason I really like superheroes and people can
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call it corny, but I love Superman's my favorite superhero
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all the time, hands down. But one of the main
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reasons I like that character, he's going to make sure,
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just as it serves, I mean, Metropolis would be the
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place you want to, yeah, you might have to deal
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with Brainiac or, you know, Doomsday or Darkseid, whoever, you know,
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whichever supervillain comes through the city. But, you know, he's
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going to take care of it. Like, that right there
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is that beacon of hope. Because I don't like watching, like,
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movies where the villain constantly wins. Because I'm like, we
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deal with too much of that already.
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The villains are winning a lot right now it feels.
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Like yeah but you know with that being said that's
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why you know I want to say guys like us
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we have to you know use whatever form of platform
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or media to show that there's a better a better
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light a better.
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Way there's options out there there's ways to bring some
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light into into into the dark times and doom scrolling
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that we are, that we are in.
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Cause I could do a scroll all day.
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Yeah, I know.
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To, to, to turn it to a lighter, lighter bit.
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Yes. Right.
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Because otherwise I'm going to have to get a tissue.
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It's a whole thing.
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To go back to, and we'll get back to ignition,
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of course, but I do want to go back to,
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you mentioned about, you know, doing, doing your art when
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did you know like oh i can do this because
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you know when i was a kid i drew and
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i instantly knew i couldn't do this this was not
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something i was good at so when did you know
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it was something that you could do well.
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Okay that right there is really a really funny story
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right there oh all right we were uh i want
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to say it was my 11th grade year and we
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were doing a We just read Beowulf. And long story short,
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my English teacher wanted us to write like a two
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or three page essay about it. Well, he came up
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to me. He was like, Corey, look, I'm going to
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do something special for you because I see you drawing
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all the time and you're good. So what I want
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you to do is I want you to draw me
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a scene from Beowulf. Give me your vision of it.
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I was like, okay, man, I can sit down in
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class and I can just, I can draw in English? Sure,
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why not? So I'm working on my picture. And then
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that's when other classmates start coming up to me. It's like, hey, Corey,
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I don't want to write this paper. I'll pay you
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to draw it for me.
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Sure, why not?
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And next thing I know, one turn to two, two
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turn to three, and next thing I know, I'm joining
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the whole class. I made a nice little bit of
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money that day.
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I was going to say, you started a small business
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that day, it seems.
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Yes, that was, and that right there, that's when I realized, hey,
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I can make money off this.
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And was that teacher, like, the first person maybe outside
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of the, like, family or close friends or something that
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was like hey you're good at.
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This honestly yes uh he was uh mr haynes i'll
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never forget him uh he he was a um unorthodox
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uh way of teaching people say it like that uh
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but he made it fun he made it fun uh
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and he like seriously he would he would let me
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know like, dude, you're good. I mean, you really need
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to do something with this right here. And like, after
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he started telling me, telling me that right there, because like,
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when you have your friends and family, they're telling you
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that you're great. You know, you're like, yeah, but am I?
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Yeah. You're supposed to say that because we're related and
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all that. You know what I mean?
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Yeah, exactly. And like, because you don't know if you
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could take that as no, what, what biblical I want
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to say, you don't want to take that, you know,
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in that sense but then when you have people like
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dude you're good am i.
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Okay it's it's funny how like you know how creatives
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in whether it's drawing or like even in something like
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what i when i make stuff for for work at
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gal media and somebody's like oh that's good and i'm
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like No, it's not.
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Shut up. It's nice to get that feedback, though.
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Yes, it is. We are our own worst critics. There's
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nobody on the planet who can make an artist feel
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more bad about themselves than themselves. You cannot defeat that
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artist because everything you didn't pick apart, that artist has
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looked at already 20 different ways I was like I
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still gotta submit this hit submit hopefully they don't see it.
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That's yeah I mean it's a hundred percent like how
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i i am with like i i will tear myself
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up after i hear something or you know when i'm
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playing something back i'm like oh i could have done
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that different oh i could have done that you know
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i mean oh.
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Man man oh that's one of that's one of my
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biggest things right there because like say like once again
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after you publish or you send it to a print writer,
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there's no going back. Because you can look at something,
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because if you're looking at it, especially if you're looking
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at it by yourself, for so long, you get like
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a tunnel vision with it, almost. And you don't see,
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you can add this, you can do this, you don't
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really see that. Because all you can see is what you've,
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you know, and you're thinking, all right, this is Great.
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And then somebody else sees it who's a fan of
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that genre. They're like, oh, man, if you would do this,
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do this, you're like, oh, Lord, missed opportunities. Right.
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So and would you describe yourself as self-taught or did
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you like go to learn more about drawing and stuff?
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Or how did you get like how did you perfect
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your craft or continue to perfect your craft?
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All right. Well, that is a it's a mix of
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both because I've been drawing since man, since I can
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remember like one of my first pictures I ever drew,
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which I thought was kind of funny was Santa Claus
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as a muscle bound barbarian and Frosty the Snowman was
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a sidekick. I did that when I was like four.
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Oh my God.
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I was not prepared for four. I was not prepared
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for that.
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Seriously, he was on Rudolph and they were riding the battle.
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You've got to blame me. Look, for that reason, I
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blame Conan the Barbarian. Also, I went to school recently.
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I went to Lamar Port Arthur and that's when I
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met my professor, Maurice Abelman. who's also a very good artist,
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a very good muralist. He's a local muralist out here
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in Beaumont. But he showed me how to use Photoshop. Because, dude,
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I'll be honest with you, I was traditional for so long,
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up until about maybe four years ago. I was scared
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to touch that technology whatsoever. I didn't. So, like I said,
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I went to Lamarport Arthur and next thing I know
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from there, got in his class and we made a
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comic book club. But, you know, to make a comic
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book club, you got to use the materials that you're using,
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which is Photoshop and, you know, pretty much haven't turned
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back since. Oh, wow.
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So, and you know, you mentioned just to make sure
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I'm on the same page, traditional is more just like
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straight up pen paper, you know, like regular material.
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Yeah. Marker. And the funny part about it is I'm
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still learning to bring my, uh, my true skill level
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from pencil and paper to digital. Cause I'm, even though
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I've been doing it for a while, uh, I just
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left Photoshop and I started using Clip Studio recently. So
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I'm having to relearn some things because Clip Studio isn't
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like Photoshop, but it's not like Photoshop, if that makes sense.
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No, I get you.
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So while I was getting better at Photoshop and my
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skill level was starting to actually come out, now I'm
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having to relearn that right there. And I'm like, it's coming.
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I'm like, I want to say I'm like 75 to
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80% there. So my traditional style. So if I keep
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working at it, I'll, I'll be where I'll be where
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I need to be.
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What's been the biggest challenge to kind of replicate what
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you do on like pen and paper versus the digital aspect?
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Well, for the, for that right there, anyone who uses
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like the, the screen, You have to... If you're not
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wearing your glove, your hand will be sliding all over
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the place. The texture of the paper is a lot
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different from a screen. The grooves in the paper and
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all that right there, even though paper is technically smooth,
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it has indentions all inside of it. You're getting natural
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grittiness to it. And you won't really get that in,
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you know, from the screen when you draw it, you
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have to like dabble with everything. And unless you know
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how to like maneuver all that way and I'm still learning,
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you know, it makes it a little, a little bit
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more difficult, but it's still a, it's still a good process.
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And what, what made it like, cause you mentioned moments
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ago about it, about it being kind of like something
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you didn't want to dive into. What was the hesitation
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for you?
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Well, honestly, I'm just going to be as blunt as possible. Change.
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I have a problem with that right there. I like
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things to kind of stay the same. And I was like, okay,
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I'm good doing this right here. I know I'm good
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with doing this right here. I've had multiple people buy
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pieces of art from me. using traditional. I know I'm
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good this way. But if I wanted to do what
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I wanted to do, I had to learn this. So
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the hesitation was mostly the fear of learning something different.
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And that's the best way I can say it. Because
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I was like, what if I'm not as good as
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I thought I was? What if I'm not as good
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as I think I am? You know, the term of
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What's the term? When you don't think you are as
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good as you think you are? Imposter syndrome.
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There we go. 100%.
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I have a heavy dose of that. Because sometimes, especially
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when you're in this type of field, you can't help
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but compare yourself to other artists.
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Right.
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How I look at it, it's like a martial art.
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That's how I look at it. And, like, you remember
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those 1970s Kung Fu movies?
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Yeah.
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From the 70s to now, I'm all about it.
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Yeah. Okay. Now, you know where, you know, you have, like,
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that one random person from another school, like, your Kung
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Fu is not better than my Kung Fu. That type
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of person. Yeah. That's kind of why I be sitting
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at it. And I'm like, dude, my Kung Fu is good,
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but it's not that good. You know? Right. So... It's
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mostly that, and that's the sad part about it. You know,
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you would think that the older you get, you wouldn't
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have it. But, hey, I don't think it's going anywhere
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anytime soon.
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Well, I've been at, well, technically ESPN 97.5 this past July.
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It's been 17 years for me. So I've been there
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a long time, and I've been doing the position that
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I'm in for over 10 years now. I still like
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have the same kind of like things creep up in
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my mind, even with the, I've been doing this long enough.
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I have confidence in what I'm able to do, but
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still there's a little bit of every now and then
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that creeps in. Cause I'll hear something else on, you know, whatever.
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Or I'm like, man, is my stuff like, am I
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pushing myself? Am I doing it? Like, I don't, maybe
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I could have done that better. Or, you know, you just,
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you doubt yourself as sometimes. And it even, When you
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think you have it, you, that tends to flare up
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from time to time.
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Yeah. And that's the crazy part about it. Like, honestly,
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me and my wife was just having that conversation. Dude,
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like seriously, I want awards, you know, I want in a,
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in a, a, I can't call it, I can't call
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it the type of pin it is, but I want
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a pin award for a state like two years ago,
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which got me to, go to Nationals and a lapel pin.
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That's what it is. Why can I say lapel pin?
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I don't know. I get it. Drop it out of
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my head. No joke. But yeah, I want a lapel
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pin in state in 2022. Then I went to Nationals,
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which was in Atlanta. I painted murals pretty much in
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a lot of places in Beaumont. I know I'm a
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good artist, but then the doubt creeps in, especially when
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you're at a con and people walk by you. Maybe
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your art isn't a cup of tea, or maybe it's
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a certain vibe you're giving off. you don't know. And
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then you have so many things to start hitting. You make,
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maybe I should do this. Maybe I should do this.
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You know, maybe I'm not as talented as I think
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I am type of thing.
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It's, it's hard, man.
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Especially again, I think I mentioned it just in the
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creative space. Those doubts can creep in even when you
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have been doing whatever you have been doing, or in
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your case, winning awards for, for it and going to nationals.
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It's still like, it's, it's, it's, I tell like, especially
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that some of the younger producers and others at, at
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the station, like continue your, you never stop learning and
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you never start stop like growing in your process and,
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and just getting better with the repetition. And the more
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reps you do that better will help, but you still
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have to, like mentally, like there's still going to be
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issues at times where you're like, I don't know, man, I,
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you know, you're doing this, you're doing that because you
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are comparing yourself or you're just overanalyzing or whatever the
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case I overanalyze a lot. And it's something I, I
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constantly work on or still am working on.
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Man. That's one of the, that was, that's one of
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the things my mom always told me. She said, you
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overanalyze everything. I'm like, that's just the way I'm wired,
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you know? I can't help that. The only thing I
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can say because I do have some younger artists who
477
00:31:31.289 --> 00:31:35.670
do ask me questions and like I tell them, the
478
00:31:35.690 --> 00:31:37.930
same thing you just told me, you just got to
479
00:31:37.950 --> 00:31:43.890
get the reps in. The only person really stopping you
480
00:31:43.990 --> 00:31:47.720
is you. It's that weird voice in the back of
481
00:31:47.740 --> 00:31:51.470
your head that you got to beat. if you can
482
00:31:51.569 --> 00:31:55.980
beat the voice, you're good. But sometimes the voice wins.
483
00:31:56.579 --> 00:32:01.380
Sometimes it doesn't, you know, it's just really up to
484
00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:02.359
the person at that time.
485
00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:05.980
But, and keep pushing, keep, keep pushing, keep doing those
486
00:32:06.069 --> 00:32:09.990
reps because, and like I tell them, like never stop
487
00:32:10.009 --> 00:32:15.890
learning because even again, 17 years in, I'm still learning
488
00:32:15.930 --> 00:32:19.970
stuff and I'm learning stuff from the younger, like, Like
489
00:32:20.049 --> 00:32:23.730
our younger social media person, Lexi, I'm learning stuff from her.
490
00:32:23.769 --> 00:32:26.359
I'm learning stuff from some of the younger folks. Like
491
00:32:26.390 --> 00:32:28.890
they bring in fresh ideas. You just never know where
492
00:32:28.910 --> 00:32:30.230
you're going to get that learning from.
493
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:36.140
Man, I can tell you right here. When I was
494
00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:38.819
when I went back to college, I was old guy
495
00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:42.440
in class. OK, they called me Father Corey. That was
496
00:32:42.460 --> 00:32:43.559
my that was my name.
497
00:32:44.019 --> 00:32:44.859
That was the nickname.
498
00:32:46.579 --> 00:32:48.500
And like I said, mind you, these are some younger
499
00:32:48.619 --> 00:32:54.339
artists and man, they were phenomenal. And I'm like, I'm
500
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:57.660
looking at their work and I'm like, Jesus, they're good.
501
00:32:57.859 --> 00:32:59.819
And then, you know, they'll walk up to me and
502
00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:01.359
they're like, oh my God, how can I get as
503
00:33:01.380 --> 00:33:06.519
good as you? I'm like, excuse me? You're already there.
504
00:33:06.539 --> 00:33:11.259
You know, some of them will look at my work
505
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:12.920
and they'll be like, man, how do you do this?
506
00:33:12.940 --> 00:33:13.529
How do you do that?
507
00:33:13.549 --> 00:33:14.420
Mm-hmm.
508
00:33:14.930 --> 00:33:15.869
What are you talking about?
509
00:33:19.490 --> 00:33:21.039
I feel like you being in this class is like
510
00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:22.779
the setup of a sitcom of some kind.
511
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:27.440
Oh, man. You know something? They had so many days.
512
00:33:29.819 --> 00:33:33.259
You know, that's something my daughter has told me that before.
513
00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:36.089
She was like, Dad, you really need to write down
514
00:33:36.950 --> 00:33:39.150
and draw out some of the things that happened to
515
00:33:39.170 --> 00:33:44.299
you because no one would believe it. Like no one
516
00:33:44.339 --> 00:33:48.519
would believe the stuff that happened. And unless you're there,
517
00:33:49.980 --> 00:33:52.079
you have to be there to witness it. And then
518
00:33:52.099 --> 00:33:55.230
you'd be like, there's no way that there's no way
519
00:33:55.349 --> 00:33:59.829
this is real. Like where are the cameras? Like, okay. Oh,
520
00:33:59.990 --> 00:34:01.710
just really, really quick story.
521
00:34:02.089 --> 00:34:02.650
Yeah.
522
00:34:03.309 --> 00:34:06.490
All right. Me and a friend of mine, this is
523
00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:09.500
years ago, high school. Okay. Now my friend, he was
524
00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:13.099
having the worst day of all time. Worst day ever.
525
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:18.760
And I don't know what possessed me to say this
526
00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:21.619
right here, but I said that one thing you should
527
00:34:21.659 --> 00:34:22.079
never say.
528
00:34:22.099 --> 00:34:23.260
Uh-oh.
529
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:25.699
Things can't get any worse.
530
00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:27.000
Oh, no.
531
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:29.039
Oh, no, Corey.
532
00:34:29.780 --> 00:34:34.269
I know. I know. I know. I said those words,
533
00:34:34.530 --> 00:34:37.909
and just as that last syllable left out my mouth,
534
00:34:39.550 --> 00:34:46.289
a bird just all over me. Oh, no. He stopped
535
00:34:46.349 --> 00:34:48.849
and looked at me was like, why did you hate me?
536
00:34:50.969 --> 00:34:51.710
I didn't do it.
537
00:34:55.190 --> 00:34:57.389
The bird just had good comedic timing. I don't know
538
00:34:57.409 --> 00:34:58.010
what to tell you.
539
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:04.239
I promise you, we did not work that out. Oh, man.
540
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:08.460
That right. Like stuff like that. You'd be like, like
541
00:35:09.019 --> 00:35:14.050
the timing of it was just like. There was no
542
00:35:14.170 --> 00:35:17.090
way that that was possible.
543
00:35:17.710 --> 00:35:19.789
Are you sure you didn't train that bird, Corey?
544
00:35:21.809 --> 00:35:25.510
Man, unless me and that bird worked something out in
545
00:35:25.550 --> 00:35:30.280
a dream, I can tell you. I cannot tell you, dude.
546
00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:33.840
Is this a lantern situation? I don't know if you've
547
00:35:33.940 --> 00:35:38.159
been watching lanterns, but Jon Stewart has, you know, he
548
00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:41.130
has a thing with the birds and stuff, so. Was
549
00:35:41.150 --> 00:35:42.530
this a construct situation?
550
00:35:43.590 --> 00:35:48.980
You know something? Hey, I can tell you this right here.
551
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:55.059
I don't have a construct power, but I do have
552
00:35:55.219 --> 00:35:58.699
this weird phenomenon that happens every once in a while.
553
00:35:59.949 --> 00:36:03.969
I can't wear watches because my body will literally drain
554
00:36:04.829 --> 00:36:05.369
the battery.
555
00:36:06.150 --> 00:36:06.349
What?
556
00:36:07.130 --> 00:36:08.530
I don't know. What?
557
00:36:11.579 --> 00:36:11.840
What?
558
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:13.019
Dude.
559
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:15.199
What kind of energy power do you have?
560
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:19.679
Dude, man, look. I swear I'm not making this up.
561
00:36:20.449 --> 00:36:23.250
A piece of me wishes this was a flat-out lie.
562
00:36:24.590 --> 00:36:28.769
But for some reason, me and electronics, we do not
563
00:36:28.829 --> 00:36:34.389
go hand-in-hand. Like, okay. Remember when I told you I
564
00:36:34.409 --> 00:36:39.800
was in class? I was going back to school, right? Right. So, okay. So...
565
00:36:40.300 --> 00:36:45.019
We're in class. This is my first day. My very
566
00:36:45.059 --> 00:36:48.420
first day, dude. I kid you not. They just set
567
00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:54.500
up all the new computers. They got all the tablets
568
00:36:54.659 --> 00:36:57.400
hooked up. Everything's working just fine. Before I got there,
569
00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:01.659
kid you not, I get on the computer. I touch it.
570
00:37:02.489 --> 00:37:07.679
Computer died. My professor, he was like, okay, what's going on?
571
00:37:07.690 --> 00:37:13.920
It's another one. I sat down. The second that one died,
572
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:17.679
I'm like, hey, man, this one's messed up, too. He
573
00:37:17.699 --> 00:37:19.800
was like, what are you doing? I'm like, I didn't
574
00:37:19.860 --> 00:37:23.730
do anything. I just sat down. And just so happened,
575
00:37:23.750 --> 00:37:25.710
the girl who was a little further down from me,
576
00:37:25.730 --> 00:37:27.530
she was like, he didn't do anything. He just sat down.
577
00:37:28.769 --> 00:37:31.409
He was like, there's no way. He said, try the
578
00:37:31.429 --> 00:37:34.969
next one. I got up. I sat down. That computer
579
00:37:34.989 --> 00:37:39.869
shut off. He was like, what is happening? He was
580
00:37:39.889 --> 00:37:44.340
just like, you know something, just stand right here.
581
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:47.679
Now I know why you were afraid of electronics and
582
00:37:47.699 --> 00:37:48.280
stuff earlier.
583
00:37:48.519 --> 00:37:53.780
Now I understand. I was like, I promise you, I
584
00:37:54.980 --> 00:37:59.099
wish that was a flat out lie. I wish that
585
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:03.010
was a lie. But my God, like every computer I
586
00:38:03.030 --> 00:38:05.150
went to that day was just shutting off. I didn't
587
00:38:05.170 --> 00:38:10.340
do anything that day other than just watch from a distance. Wow. Yeah.
588
00:38:11.940 --> 00:38:18.050
Now, wait a minute. What's the superpower that Ignition has?
589
00:38:19.489 --> 00:38:23.070
Well, he has what I call the divine flame of
590
00:38:23.389 --> 00:38:30.079
both destruction and creation. And basically it allows him to
591
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:38.159
he can either burn you or the fire could like
592
00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:41.820
be used to... He doesn't know this yet because he's
593
00:38:41.860 --> 00:38:46.289
only been using it as raw energy power, but he
594
00:38:46.309 --> 00:38:49.769
can literally make constructs out of it. He could repair
595
00:38:49.809 --> 00:38:54.190
stuff using it because the flame itself isn't a flame that...
596
00:38:54.809 --> 00:38:58.599
It's like the flame of life, basically. It's not really
597
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:02.679
there to destroy. It's there to create. But once again,
598
00:39:02.699 --> 00:39:08.170
that's not something he knows just yet. He's just... I
599
00:39:08.230 --> 00:39:11.670
only have four books out currently, and he's just now
600
00:39:11.730 --> 00:39:15.929
learning that he's not a phase. He's just finding out
601
00:39:15.989 --> 00:39:20.989
now that he's an embryo, which is an ancient race
602
00:39:21.110 --> 00:39:28.750
of interdimensional beings that literally would oversee gods of destruction
603
00:39:29.010 --> 00:39:38.570
and of creation. they were like their police, basically. Anytime
604
00:39:39.869 --> 00:39:43.150
one would do more than they're supposed to do, they
605
00:39:43.190 --> 00:39:49.150
would be sent out to correct them, either diplomatically or forcefully.
606
00:39:50.610 --> 00:39:57.699
So could ignition also destroy computers or does it?
607
00:39:57.929 --> 00:39:58.719
If you want it to. Yeah.
608
00:40:01.260 --> 00:40:04.539
Cause maybe, maybe what we're learning is Corey, you're in
609
00:40:04.579 --> 00:40:07.840
your initial phase of just understanding your powers. And now
610
00:40:08.219 --> 00:40:10.400
eventually you'll learn about the interdimensional part.
611
00:40:11.659 --> 00:40:13.909
No, dude, that'd be so cool. Cause Hey man, I
612
00:40:13.929 --> 00:40:14.869
would jump in the portal.
613
00:40:15.349 --> 00:40:19.179
Yeah, that's true. I mean, I can't, I can't fight that.
614
00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:19.760
That'd be cool.
615
00:40:21.059 --> 00:40:24.559
That'd be, you know, some, uh, there's a meme right
616
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:27.820
now going around that it's like people say, Oh man,
617
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:31.619
this world is so boring. I would love to see
618
00:40:31.860 --> 00:40:37.239
elves and werewolves and, you know, like dragons and all
619
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:39.269
that right now. I mean, that's, that would be cool.
620
00:40:39.789 --> 00:40:41.889
That would be, that would be very, one of my things,
621
00:40:42.010 --> 00:40:44.010
and I promise we'll get back to ignition here in
622
00:40:44.050 --> 00:40:47.500
a second. But one of my things is, uh, I've
623
00:40:47.579 --> 00:40:50.230
always enjoyed the idea, and I know it's not a
624
00:40:50.269 --> 00:40:54.530
great movie, but I like it. The movie Bright with
625
00:40:54.869 --> 00:40:58.829
Will Smith and Joel Edgerton, I think is his name,
626
00:40:59.489 --> 00:41:03.679
where it is set in modern day, but it's elves,
627
00:41:05.260 --> 00:41:06.340
you know, orcs.
628
00:41:06.579 --> 00:41:08.400
All that.
629
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:16.019
I love high fantasy. Like, the Lord of the Rings, like,
630
00:41:16.900 --> 00:41:23.429
Those worlds, they seem so interesting. And I would love
631
00:41:23.449 --> 00:41:27.829
to be in a Final Fantasy world or something like that. Because, dude,
632
00:41:27.929 --> 00:41:32.670
that would be awesome. That would be very cool. Also,
633
00:41:32.750 --> 00:41:35.530
I don't think I would want to see a giant
634
00:41:35.550 --> 00:41:38.920
20-foot walking pile of rocks trying to crush my car.
635
00:41:38.940 --> 00:41:40.619
That wouldn't be ideal.
636
00:41:40.780 --> 00:41:41.199
No, no.
637
00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:44.699
I mean, who pays for the insurance then? I mean,
638
00:41:44.739 --> 00:41:46.059
you got to ask yourself these questions.
639
00:41:46.809 --> 00:41:47.230
That's true.
640
00:41:47.250 --> 00:41:51.199
Uh, I, I don't know if there's like an elf, like,
641
00:41:51.780 --> 00:41:55.219
you know, insurance company that would come in or, or,
642
00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:56.460
you know, Dalish.
643
00:41:56.599 --> 00:41:58.659
I don't know. Something, something would have to come in
644
00:41:58.679 --> 00:41:59.519
and evaluate.
645
00:42:00.059 --> 00:42:02.699
You said Dalish. So that tells me right there. You, uh,
646
00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:06.539
you're a fan of, uh, dragon age. Yes.
647
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:08.340
Correct. You are correct.
648
00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:10.000
Dalish. I caught that, sir.
649
00:42:10.579 --> 00:42:12.519
Hey, see, you know, you know.
650
00:42:13.260 --> 00:42:16.230
I've been in my dragon age, uh, uh, like in
651
00:42:16.250 --> 00:42:20.010
the last couple years with the Veil Guard and.
652
00:42:21.349 --> 00:42:22.030
Inquisition.
653
00:42:22.909 --> 00:42:23.570
Yes, sir.
654
00:42:24.329 --> 00:42:26.489
I want to get back into the originals, but it's
655
00:42:26.530 --> 00:42:31.510
hard because, you know, gameplay, mechanics and stuff are very
656
00:42:31.969 --> 00:42:32.590
of the time.
657
00:42:33.130 --> 00:42:34.110
Yeah. Yeah.
658
00:42:34.969 --> 00:42:35.730
That's the only drawback.
659
00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:40.260
I'm going to ask you something. Okay. So, because you
660
00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:42.820
said Daedalus, I know you played as elves. I know
661
00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:49.789
you played as an elf. That Because I'm sorry, that's
662
00:42:49.809 --> 00:42:51.710
what I play with. I play as an elf all
663
00:42:51.750 --> 00:42:54.650
the time. There's never a time I'm not going to
664
00:42:54.670 --> 00:42:59.769
play as an elf. Now, do you remember the original one?
665
00:43:01.030 --> 00:43:02.110
Dragon Age Origins, yes.
666
00:43:03.369 --> 00:43:07.179
Okay. During the trials for to become a Grey Warden,
667
00:43:08.050 --> 00:43:11.639
what were you thinking when the guy drunk the first
668
00:43:11.659 --> 00:43:14.539
cup and then died? Let's say that's you. Would you
669
00:43:14.579 --> 00:43:17.489
be willing to Drink some dark spore and blood?
670
00:43:18.230 --> 00:43:21.909
You know, I don't think I would. I don't think
671
00:43:21.949 --> 00:43:23.969
I would. I was like, you know what? Maybe not.
672
00:43:24.190 --> 00:43:28.710
I'll pass. Exactly.
673
00:43:28.730 --> 00:43:33.199
Like I say, I knew I had to drink it,
674
00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:36.460
you know, for the story to move forward, you know.
675
00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:40.440
But I had to ask myself if this was really
676
00:43:40.500 --> 00:43:43.199
me at the time. and Duncan was really good with
677
00:43:43.219 --> 00:43:45.360
that knife because that one guy ran, he caught him real,
678
00:43:45.429 --> 00:43:48.750
he caught him good. He didn't make it like, now,
679
00:43:48.949 --> 00:43:52.170
and also, my other question is, do you think the
680
00:43:52.210 --> 00:43:55.550
Grey Wardens were kind of modeled off of Jedis?
681
00:43:57.969 --> 00:44:00.400
I hadn't thought about that, but yeah, maybe, yeah, I
682
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:01.300
hadn't considered that.
683
00:44:02.179 --> 00:44:05.139
Because when I was playing it, I was like, the
684
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:11.739
Grey Wardens, they are acting like medieval Jedis. Like, they'll
685
00:44:11.860 --> 00:44:14.699
come into your camp. You seem worthy. Come with me.
686
00:44:15.820 --> 00:44:16.780
Right.
687
00:44:17.579 --> 00:44:21.199
You're youngling now. Like, whoa, I didn't say I want
688
00:44:21.219 --> 00:44:22.760
to be part of the force. It doesn't matter. You're part.
689
00:44:22.780 --> 00:44:23.079
Come on.
690
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:24.219
You're in.
691
00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:30.980
Yes, you're in. You're in. You have no, you know,
692
00:44:31.980 --> 00:44:35.860
you have no opinion on the matter. Come on. Oh, man.
693
00:44:36.260 --> 00:44:40.030
That game was so freaking fun. And I haven't beaten
694
00:44:40.369 --> 00:44:46.610
Velguard just yet because I was playing it strong. And
695
00:44:46.650 --> 00:44:52.340
then I took like a three-week break on it, and
696
00:44:52.380 --> 00:44:53.860
now I have no idea what I'm doing.
697
00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:57.960
Yeah, no, I get that 100%. I've been stuck on
698
00:44:57.980 --> 00:45:00.559
my third playthrough because I did something similar where I'm like,
699
00:45:00.900 --> 00:45:02.079
I'm going to just take a break.
700
00:45:01.940 --> 00:45:04.449
For a minute. I don't remember anything that I was doing.
701
00:45:06.010 --> 00:45:09.099
All I know, I'm in the Kumari camp. All I know,
702
00:45:09.980 --> 00:45:13.440
and I'm running around. I'm like, okay, something's going to click.
703
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:15.780
Just got to keep running.
704
00:45:16.519 --> 00:45:18.320
I just got to find a note or something that'll
705
00:45:18.360 --> 00:45:19.820
click a memory.
706
00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:22.079
Something's going to happen. I just got to run into
707
00:45:22.099 --> 00:45:22.440
the stereo.
708
00:45:23.579 --> 00:45:23.920
That's all.
709
00:45:23.980 --> 00:45:24.500
You got to run.
710
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:25.639
Just run around a little bit more.
711
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:30.179
Okay. Now, I will ask this right here, because we're
712
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:32.639
talking about games right now, and I got to ask
713
00:45:32.659 --> 00:45:34.199
this because the game is on my mind at this
714
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:39.840
second right now. Have you played Cyberpunk 2077? Yes.
715
00:45:40.099 --> 00:45:40.559
Yes, I have.
716
00:45:40.699 --> 00:45:41.119
Yes, I have.
717
00:45:41.900 --> 00:45:43.260
I played it in the early days when there was
718
00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:43.920
all those problems.
719
00:45:44.659 --> 00:45:45.719
Oh, hey, yeah.
720
00:45:45.889 --> 00:45:47.070
It was rough. It was rough, man.
721
00:45:47.090 --> 00:45:50.769
You know something? I can say this right here. You
722
00:45:50.809 --> 00:45:51.690
know what saves Cyberpunk?
723
00:45:52.809 --> 00:45:53.130
What's that?
724
00:45:53.869 --> 00:45:56.010
The anime. Oh, yeah.
725
00:45:56.139 --> 00:45:57.340
Edgerunners, yeah.
726
00:45:57.820 --> 00:46:04.480
Edgerunners saved that game. Because... You had too many people
727
00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:09.360
who threw it away. I remember they threw that game away.
728
00:46:09.380 --> 00:46:13.110
They talked about how bad it was. And then Edge
729
00:46:13.170 --> 00:46:18.130
Runners dropped. Welcome back to Night City, folks. Exactly.
730
00:46:18.150 --> 00:46:21.449
And then eventually we get Phantom Liberty and we got
731
00:46:21.489 --> 00:46:29.019
the second season of Cyberpunk. Is it still Edge Runners? Yeah,
732
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:31.219
Edge Runners Season 2.
733
00:46:31.219 --> 00:46:35.099
Yeah. And we're also getting another one based in Chicago.
734
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:37.760
Oh, that's cool.
735
00:46:38.659 --> 00:46:40.489
I can't wait.
736
00:46:40.630 --> 00:46:43.550
That, uh, same. That sounds really, really cool.
737
00:46:45.110 --> 00:46:49.170
Dude, man. Uh, so what'd you think about Johnny Silverhand?
738
00:46:50.550 --> 00:46:59.190
Uh, he's, uh, he's, he's a, he's a character. He's
739
00:46:59.210 --> 00:47:00.550
a very interesting character.
740
00:47:01.789 --> 00:47:02.650
That is a problem.
741
00:47:03.690 --> 00:47:04.829
Oh yeah. John is a problem.
742
00:47:05.309 --> 00:47:07.570
He's a, he's a, he's a big problem. Uh, and, uh,
743
00:47:08.010 --> 00:47:10.829
of all the, you know, in other games where you
744
00:47:10.869 --> 00:47:13.230
have like, uh, uh, this voice in your head or
745
00:47:13.250 --> 00:47:16.130
whatever the case may be, you know, he's not maybe
746
00:47:16.170 --> 00:47:18.920
the most helpful of voices to be having in your head.
747
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:23.300
Johnny will make you feel bad about yourself. Yeah.
748
00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:24.780
Real quick, real, real quick.
749
00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:28.800
Like I'm, I'm, I'm literally playing the game and like,
750
00:47:28.940 --> 00:47:33.170
he'll say something. I'm like, okay, Do I say what
751
00:47:33.190 --> 00:47:40.409
I want to say? Or keep the game simple? Do
752
00:47:41.389 --> 00:47:44.010
I be amicable? Okay, I'm going to be amicable. Johnny,
753
00:47:44.170 --> 00:47:45.449
you're crossing lines right now, buddy.
754
00:47:47.309 --> 00:47:49.309
Johnny, hurtful right now. Hurtful.
755
00:47:49.789 --> 00:47:53.570
A little bit. A little bit, buddy. Oh, man.
756
00:47:55.719 --> 00:47:58.099
That's a game I want to get back into because
757
00:47:58.420 --> 00:48:00.780
it's another one where I took time off of it
758
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:02.340
and I didn't go back to it, but I want
759
00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:04.059
to go back to it because it was fun. And
760
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:07.360
now with all the updates and everything that they've done,
761
00:48:07.420 --> 00:48:09.010
I'm really excited to dive into it.
762
00:48:09.989 --> 00:48:12.489
Dude, man, like I said, I played that game right
763
00:48:12.510 --> 00:48:23.110
there and honestly, between that, the Witcher and Dragon Age... man,
764
00:48:23.230 --> 00:48:27.840
those are some of my top games right now.
765
00:48:29.980 --> 00:48:30.920
Hands down. 100%.
766
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:35.480
Because there's like, I want to get back to, I'm
767
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:38.880
to the point where I've gotten to the age in
768
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:41.480
my gaming, in my professional gaming.
769
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:44.610
And by professional, I mean just me by myself.
770
00:48:47.289 --> 00:48:50.099
And I've gotten to the point where I don't want
771
00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:52.280
to get yelled at by some random kid online.
772
00:48:52.340 --> 00:48:54.619
I don't want to get.
773
00:48:54.010 --> 00:48:59.409
Talked mess to. I am very much the opening of
774
00:48:59.469 --> 00:49:02.829
Star Wars Rogue One where Mads Mikkelsen's character is like,
775
00:49:03.170 --> 00:49:05.639
it's a peaceful life and it's just me in a field,
776
00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:09.659
but with all my single player games, like a cyberpunk,
777
00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:13.760
like even a Baldur's Gate or something like that. I'm good.
778
00:49:14.199 --> 00:49:15.980
Let me play by myself.
779
00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:24.719
You know something? I could never get into multiplayer online
780
00:49:24.739 --> 00:49:30.519
games because of that reason. That was ruined for me
781
00:49:30.659 --> 00:49:37.760
out the gate. Look, look, look, hey. I will stick
782
00:49:37.780 --> 00:49:42.230
to my single player story-driven games in my own little
783
00:49:42.250 --> 00:49:46.949
box away from all you guys same just leave my
784
00:49:46.989 --> 00:49:50.590
little box i promise you i will not bother you whatsoever.
785
00:49:51.309 --> 00:49:55.289
Same i i've had i've had too many experiences where
786
00:49:55.530 --> 00:49:59.389
i just get like one-shotted by someone that's like 80
787
00:49:59.389 --> 00:50:03.039
miles away or they they they start doing the whole
788
00:50:03.099 --> 00:50:05.340
crouching on i know what it means that's.
789
00:50:05.179 --> 00:50:09.289
Hurtful yeah you know man, I hopped on, it was
790
00:50:09.329 --> 00:50:13.550
a Call of Duty game I hopped on. And you ever,
791
00:50:14.150 --> 00:50:18.840
especially when someone learns the map, like, first of all,
792
00:50:18.849 --> 00:50:20.210
why are you playing this game that much that you
793
00:50:20.230 --> 00:50:21.050
learn the map like this?
794
00:50:21.610 --> 00:50:22.110
Mm-hmm.
795
00:50:22.380 --> 00:50:26.619
It's like, I'll spawn and you shoot me in the head. Mm-hmm. Like,
796
00:50:26.679 --> 00:50:28.380
are you just hunting me? That's my question.
797
00:50:29.820 --> 00:50:31.579
Did I spite you in some way?
798
00:50:32.219 --> 00:50:35.360
Like, I literally just locked this, just jumped on, sir. Like,
799
00:50:35.500 --> 00:50:38.519
did I do something to offend you? Mm-hmm. And you
800
00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:40.639
just shot me like 20 times.
801
00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:45.719
With your gold bedazzled, whatever kind of gun with whatever
802
00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:46.280
kind of skin.
803
00:50:46.300 --> 00:50:49.199
It doesn't exactly like, why is, why is your gun
804
00:50:49.219 --> 00:50:53.949
so pretty? Like seriously, I mean, I understand, you know,
805
00:50:54.670 --> 00:50:58.210
like this first quick cyberpunk reference. I understand you, you
806
00:50:58.250 --> 00:51:03.519
love your Chrome. I get that, you know, Maybe, you know,
807
00:51:04.119 --> 00:51:07.920
maybe you loaned me some Eddies. I didn't pay you back.
808
00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:08.519
I don't know.
809
00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:09.519
I don't know.
810
00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:17.829
But stop shooting. You know, I'm sorry. Like I said, man,
811
00:51:17.849 --> 00:51:18.119
that's a.
812
00:51:20.099 --> 00:51:20.380
I know.
813
00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:25.119
It's a whole other podcast because we're both in the, nah,
814
00:51:25.139 --> 00:51:26.139
we ain't doing that.
815
00:51:26.179 --> 00:51:29.550
We're not doing that anymore. We're past the Black Ops
816
00:51:29.570 --> 00:51:32.690
and the World of War or where are they at?
817
00:51:32.730 --> 00:51:34.210
Modern Warfare, whatever now.
818
00:51:35.269 --> 00:51:39.360
Man, I'm not, no, I'm not. I can't do it.
819
00:51:39.429 --> 00:51:43.269
I want to enjoy the game, enjoy my story, fall
820
00:51:43.289 --> 00:51:45.369
in love with my characters, and have a good day.
821
00:51:46.210 --> 00:51:47.710
Yeah, see? That's it.
822
00:51:48.449 --> 00:51:49.130
That's all I want to do.
823
00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:51.380
Exactly. That's all I want to do. I just want
824
00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:52.280
to experience a story.
825
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:56.139
Just like I want to experience Ignition, which is available
826
00:51:56.179 --> 00:51:56.969
right now.
827
00:51:57.050 --> 00:51:58.230
See what I did there? See what I did?
828
00:51:58.369 --> 00:51:59.929
Yeah, I like that plug. I like that.
829
00:52:03.369 --> 00:52:09.030
That's pretty good. I don't like to brag. But with Ignition,
830
00:52:09.909 --> 00:52:11.030
where did the.
831
00:52:11.969 --> 00:52:14.889
Well, let me back up and go back to Comicpalooza
832
00:52:14.909 --> 00:52:19.949
because you were telling me like some of the stories
833
00:52:20.030 --> 00:52:23.489
kind of that inspire or some of the like elements
834
00:52:23.530 --> 00:52:25.610
that were inspired in this book.
835
00:52:26.210 --> 00:52:29.070
What were some of those elements? How would you describe
836
00:52:29.269 --> 00:52:30.840
Ignition for folks?
837
00:52:31.780 --> 00:52:36.599
All right. I would describe, I would describe Ignition as a,
838
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:47.599
what if a high fantasy type characters met the, My
839
00:52:47.619 --> 00:52:55.530
Hero Academia or smashed into like say the X-Men. And
840
00:52:55.590 --> 00:53:00.469
that's what you would get with Ignition. Because when it
841
00:53:00.510 --> 00:53:07.730
comes down to it, I wanted I didn't want this
842
00:53:07.769 --> 00:53:12.739
a classic superhero story. I didn't want that. I wanted
843
00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:17.690
something that would change. I wanted something that You know,
844
00:53:17.730 --> 00:53:21.789
you'd be like, I know. All right. The first two books,
845
00:53:21.969 --> 00:53:24.559
I know what I'm getting. And I'm like, no, I'm
846
00:53:24.579 --> 00:53:28.239
going to throw you a curveball. Because while you think
847
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:34.199
you're reading about superheroes, you're really reading about demons and
848
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:41.150
fallen angels. And you're reading about superpowered entities from a
849
00:53:41.179 --> 00:53:47.269
whole different parallel universe that's basically... That's the powers you
850
00:53:47.289 --> 00:53:51.909
guys have. It's supernatural powers. It's not really superhuman powers.
851
00:53:53.349 --> 00:53:58.119
You know, that's kind of the pump fake or the
852
00:53:58.219 --> 00:54:00.099
faint I want to throw in here.
853
00:54:01.880 --> 00:54:05.800
It's such a cool faint that you're able to do
854
00:54:05.920 --> 00:54:08.639
and balancing those elements out.
855
00:54:08.739 --> 00:54:09.480
How was it.
856
00:54:10.929 --> 00:54:14.070
Like trying to move through the story? Because like, you know,
857
00:54:14.329 --> 00:54:18.550
talking to Earlier this summer, I had a chance to
858
00:54:18.610 --> 00:54:21.909
talk to some different authors for a book festival, and
859
00:54:22.769 --> 00:54:27.840
some of them described their process as like, I don't
860
00:54:28.380 --> 00:54:31.420
plan anything necessarily. I have ideas of where I want
861
00:54:31.460 --> 00:54:34.300
to go, but then as I write a chapter, I'll
862
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:36.360
outline what I just wrote to kind of help me
863
00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:38.590
build out what I'm trying to build.
864
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:41.050
Others are just kind of writing as they go.
865
00:54:42.250 --> 00:54:45.849
Did you have a certain process or approach to take
866
00:54:45.889 --> 00:54:48.590
with it to kind of help you identify the elements
867
00:54:48.659 --> 00:54:51.519
or identify some of the characters that you're either leading
868
00:54:51.579 --> 00:54:53.820
to or story beats that you're leading to?
869
00:54:55.300 --> 00:55:00.539
Yes. Well, for the story here, I've been sitting on
870
00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:02.400
the story for like over, I've been sitting on the
871
00:55:02.420 --> 00:55:07.420
story for like eight years almost. I know the beginning,
872
00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:13.840
the middle, and the end. I know all the characters. Now,
873
00:55:15.099 --> 00:55:19.480
some characters have evolved over time. And when it comes
874
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:23.760
to dialogue, now, that's where, for me, it gets a
875
00:55:23.780 --> 00:55:29.730
little dicey sometimes. Because while I know the story, I
876
00:55:29.750 --> 00:55:35.650
know what's happening. But I probably won't write the dialogue
877
00:55:36.070 --> 00:55:42.050
right then, right there. Most times, I'll do the dialogue like,
878
00:55:42.840 --> 00:55:46.400
I would draw the entire book out because I know
879
00:55:46.420 --> 00:55:51.250
what's happening. I know what's being said, but I won't
880
00:55:51.349 --> 00:55:54.309
write the dialogue for it because I would go back
881
00:55:55.409 --> 00:56:00.409
and then I would have a conversation as if I'm
882
00:56:00.429 --> 00:56:03.739
Ignition talking to his mother and how he would respond.
883
00:56:04.139 --> 00:56:07.880
I would try to respond how she would respond. Or
884
00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:11.699
if I'm looking at Bianca, And then trying to see
885
00:56:11.719 --> 00:56:16.239
how she would respond to Oscar or she's talking to Oscar,
886
00:56:16.260 --> 00:56:18.599
talking to Terrell, you know, that type of thing.
887
00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:25.039
Interesting. Do you feel like almost in some ways, it
888
00:56:25.099 --> 00:56:27.960
reminds me of like playing a role-playing game where it's like,
889
00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:32.119
you're choosing the different, you know, conversation beats. Is it
890
00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:35.400
kind of like, do you feel like you've kind of
891
00:56:35.420 --> 00:56:36.940
been inspired by that in some ways?
892
00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:41.639
Oh, a hundred percent. Like, And that's kind of where
893
00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:46.860
I keep going back to the fantasy thing comes from. Man,
894
00:56:46.900 --> 00:56:50.880
Dungeons and Dragons, that type of thing right there, or
895
00:56:50.940 --> 00:56:52.429
back in the day when you used to have the
896
00:56:52.469 --> 00:56:57.570
choose your own adventure books, I really enjoyed that stuff
897
00:56:57.630 --> 00:57:02.489
right there. So when I'm writing it, I want to
898
00:57:03.130 --> 00:57:08.230
try to embody the characters that's when, like I said,
899
00:57:08.289 --> 00:57:10.269
once again, that's when it gets kind of dicey sometimes
900
00:57:10.309 --> 00:57:14.280
because you start to be like, well, wait. They wouldn't
901
00:57:14.300 --> 00:57:21.099
respond like this. That's Corey talking. That's not Oscar. So
902
00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:24.659
now I have to try to embody Oscar for the
903
00:57:24.699 --> 00:57:29.340
conversation that he's going to have with Terrell. Or if Terrell,
904
00:57:29.360 --> 00:57:31.710
like once again, is talking to his mom, how is
905
00:57:32.190 --> 00:57:37.360
Terrell truly going to respond? Because it's easy to you know,
906
00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:41.000
write notes to write down what you believe they will say,
907
00:57:41.500 --> 00:57:43.880
but then that's your words. That's not how they would
908
00:57:43.900 --> 00:57:45.260
probably feel. Right.
909
00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:47.400
Cause it's almost like you have to play these, all
910
00:57:47.420 --> 00:57:50.570
these different characters to kind of understand where they would
911
00:57:50.610 --> 00:57:54.170
come from. And while I wouldn't say that, yeah, this
912
00:57:54.230 --> 00:57:57.010
other person probably would because of what they're believing at
913
00:57:57.050 --> 00:57:59.329
this moment or what they are focused on or whatever
914
00:57:59.349 --> 00:57:59.909
the case might be.
915
00:57:59.929 --> 00:58:02.409
A hundred percent. Yeah.
916
00:58:02.429 --> 00:58:05.130
You, you mentioned about sitting down and drawing out the
917
00:58:05.170 --> 00:58:05.630
whole book.
918
00:58:05.829 --> 00:58:09.329
Do you, did you kind of have the idea of
919
00:58:09.409 --> 00:58:10.889
like page to pit?
920
00:58:10.909 --> 00:58:13.389
Like, do you do the layout first or what's that
921
00:58:13.429 --> 00:58:16.070
process like for you to draw the book out?
922
00:58:16.849 --> 00:58:19.309
Well, first, the first thing that first thing I normally
923
00:58:19.329 --> 00:58:23.929
do is do like thumbnails. You know, if I can't,
924
00:58:23.949 --> 00:58:26.019
if I can't figure something out, I'm going to go
925
00:58:26.039 --> 00:58:30.059
to a reference. I will go to a reference so fast.
926
00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:33.500
Cause I'm like, cause the, the, the thing is, I know,
927
00:58:33.539 --> 00:58:35.500
and I know that right there was a bad word
928
00:58:35.559 --> 00:58:39.719
to some artists. reference. You know, got some purists out
929
00:58:39.760 --> 00:58:43.769
there who's like, you should never use a reference. Calm down, please.
930
00:58:45.250 --> 00:58:48.269
I'm going to use a reference because here's the thing
931
00:58:48.289 --> 00:58:51.369
right here. You can know, you can do, I can,
932
00:58:51.650 --> 00:58:54.949
I can name all the muscles to you. I can
933
00:58:54.969 --> 00:58:56.860
name the bones to you. I can do all this,
934
00:58:58.039 --> 00:59:04.739
but your mind, I will always either exaggerate or misplace something.
935
00:59:05.320 --> 00:59:05.699
Hmm.
936
00:59:06.900 --> 00:59:08.829
That's the way the mind works. I didn't do it.
937
00:59:09.070 --> 00:59:14.400
I didn't make it. I'm sorry. I just work with it.
938
00:59:15.500 --> 00:59:18.760
If I have to use a reference for the thumbnail,
939
00:59:19.679 --> 00:59:24.679
I'm going to do that. The process I take, I
940
00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:27.840
may take too many steps to get the job done sometimes.
941
00:59:28.760 --> 00:59:30.880
Just like, so I'll do thumbnails and then I'll do
942
00:59:30.900 --> 00:59:33.400
a rough draft and then I'll do a, then I
943
00:59:33.420 --> 00:59:37.340
do a pencil with ink, then I'm scanning it. And
944
00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:40.019
then I'm tracing the, I'm going back and tracing what
945
00:59:40.059 --> 00:59:46.619
I drew to color. And then, I mean, I, to honestly,
946
00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:50.960
I probably, for me, for what I do, I might,
947
00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:53.739
which would probably take someone like two or three months
948
00:59:54.110 --> 00:59:57.230
to do. I might've done this, you know, four months.
949
00:59:57.769 --> 01:00:00.289
Because I took extra steps, if that makes sense.
950
01:00:00.750 --> 01:00:04.210
Yeah. But that's the process that works best for you, right?
951
01:00:04.809 --> 01:00:05.030
Yeah.
952
01:00:05.889 --> 01:00:09.590
It may be longer, but hey, it's what I want
953
01:00:09.639 --> 01:00:12.099
to do to get this story out there.
954
01:00:12.739 --> 01:00:14.119
That it is. That it is.
955
01:00:16.679 --> 01:00:20.719
So you mentioned about the four months and doing that.
956
01:00:22.260 --> 01:00:29.070
What's the process for I guess to get it to print.
957
01:00:30.309 --> 01:00:32.989
What steps do you have to take? You mentioned scan.
958
01:00:33.150 --> 01:00:34.210
What else do you have to do?
959
01:00:35.389 --> 01:00:39.469
Oh, well, for my print, the printing is the easiest
960
01:00:39.510 --> 01:00:45.960
part for me, honestly. Because I don't print. All I
961
01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:50.519
do is I have a print shop, a local print
962
01:00:50.539 --> 01:00:54.119
shop that I use. And all I do is just
963
01:00:54.570 --> 01:00:56.570
download all my files and I bring it to them
964
01:00:56.630 --> 01:01:00.000
and you know, they'll tell me, Hey, it's that time.
965
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:04.579
It's that time again, huh? I'm like, yeah. And they're like, okay,
966
01:01:04.599 --> 01:01:10.630
we'll see you in two days. I'm like, great. And
967
01:01:10.690 --> 01:01:13.269
then I, Hey, I have a grand total of a
968
01:01:13.329 --> 01:01:16.889
hundred books for, for whatever single issue I did that time.
969
01:01:17.630 --> 01:01:20.969
So the printing is the easiest part for me because
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01:01:20.989 --> 01:01:24.260
I know I'm singing to the print. My job is done. Right.
971
01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:29.920
To do the, the process of like the, you know,
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01:01:29.940 --> 01:01:33.880
just making the art and creating it and going through, like,
973
01:01:33.900 --> 01:01:35.960
what's the step that takes the longest you feel like
974
01:01:36.139 --> 01:01:36.480
for you?
975
01:01:36.500 --> 01:01:38.280
Oh, the inking.
976
01:01:38.940 --> 01:01:39.360
The inking.
977
01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:45.840
Oh my, oh my God. The inking takes so long. Like,
978
01:01:47.070 --> 01:01:50.489
here's the thing, here's the thing right here. Cause I always,
979
01:01:50.510 --> 01:01:56.469
like I say, I'm doing everything twice. Uh, like, especially
980
01:01:57.369 --> 01:02:02.530
digitally inking, that's the part that takes the longest because
981
01:02:03.269 --> 01:02:08.610
when I'm drawing, I have all from issue one to
982
01:02:08.650 --> 01:02:13.750
issue four so far, I have them all in one
983
01:02:13.809 --> 01:02:17.329
of my art books. Now, I have all the pages
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01:02:17.409 --> 01:02:18.969
in there that are inked and drawn and all that
985
01:02:19.010 --> 01:02:22.139
right there. Like I said, I scan and bring them
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01:02:22.179 --> 01:02:24.599
to my computer, but then when I go into doing
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01:02:24.639 --> 01:02:28.539
it digitally, to make sure things are crisp because I
988
01:02:28.559 --> 01:02:31.579
like my lines to be crisp. You know, yes, for
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01:02:31.679 --> 01:02:36.010
artists who like sketchiness and for some people that works.
990
01:02:36.829 --> 01:02:39.730
I don't think mine, I don't think that's for my art.
991
01:02:40.449 --> 01:02:44.449
My lines are more bold and, you know, they're thin here,
992
01:02:44.489 --> 01:02:47.210
they're thick here and that's what makes my art look,
993
01:02:47.230 --> 01:02:52.590
that's what makes my art look good. That's my signature almost. So,
994
01:02:53.469 --> 01:02:58.070
I have to make sure everything is just right So no,
995
01:02:58.130 --> 01:03:01.139
I'm minimizing, bring it back down, minimizing, bring it back in.
996
01:03:01.699 --> 01:03:05.800
And it was six. Oh my God. Like 30 days.
997
01:03:05.840 --> 01:03:07.760
This is getting inky sometimes.
998
01:03:08.380 --> 01:03:09.000
That's a lot.
999
01:03:09.940 --> 01:03:11.079
Yeah. Much. Yeah.
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01:03:11.539 --> 01:03:12.099
It's so much.
1001
01:03:12.340 --> 01:03:15.000
Well, and then how did you, at what point did
1002
01:03:15.019 --> 01:03:18.030
you figure out like, Oh, this is my style, especially
1003
01:03:18.050 --> 01:03:18.739
for ignition.
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01:03:19.469 --> 01:03:23.690
One of the best things I've ever heard. Uh, I watched,
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01:03:23.889 --> 01:03:29.570
it was a documentary. I watched, uh, a Floyd Norman documentary.
1006
01:03:30.909 --> 01:03:34.750
And they were, Floyd was talking about how he worked
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01:03:34.789 --> 01:03:39.210
with this guy at Hanna-Barbera. He was like, if you
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01:03:40.010 --> 01:03:45.860
can't do this, steal it. And I can honestly say
1009
01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:49.340
this for you. When it comes down to artist styles,
1010
01:03:50.219 --> 01:03:53.619
I've taken a little bit from everybody who I've watched
1011
01:03:53.719 --> 01:04:00.239
over the years. From Toriyama What's the guy's name? I'm
1012
01:04:00.380 --> 01:04:03.369
drawing a blank right now. He does a fairy tale.
1013
01:04:03.670 --> 01:04:04.869
I think it's Kishimoto.
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01:04:06.630 --> 01:04:09.429
I think that's right. I'm not 100% sure.
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01:04:13.449 --> 01:04:18.579
He did the 93 run for Superman. Brian Burns or
1016
01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:23.559
something like that. The original fight between Superman and Superman,
1017
01:04:23.619 --> 01:04:27.480
that was some crazy art. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I
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01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:29.860
stole some of his style and like, I've been trying
1019
01:04:29.900 --> 01:04:32.739
to mash everyone's style up to make what I have
1020
01:04:32.800 --> 01:04:36.619
now to the point to where, you know, how somebody
1021
01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:39.460
wants to put it to me, like to say hyper-realistic,
1022
01:04:39.920 --> 01:04:44.400
no style from some people say it looks like anime.
1023
01:04:44.500 --> 01:04:50.179
Then some people say it looks Western. So it's like,
1024
01:04:50.559 --> 01:04:53.139
they don't really know what box to put it in. Yeah.
1025
01:04:53.619 --> 01:04:55.639
Well, and that's what makes it unique is that you
1026
01:04:55.699 --> 01:04:59.250
really can't like, I, I don't know that I, I,
1027
01:04:59.820 --> 01:05:02.090
I could describe if I had to say one, it
1028
01:05:02.110 --> 01:05:04.610
would be maybe a little more, more anime, at least
1029
01:05:04.650 --> 01:05:08.530
to me. But like, that's me on a Tuesday, maybe
1030
01:05:08.610 --> 01:05:10.570
on a Wednesday, it's like, well, no, maybe more than that.
1031
01:05:10.650 --> 01:05:11.219
You know what I mean?
1032
01:05:11.239 --> 01:05:15.199
Like, but it's, but it's reflective of like, again, like
1033
01:05:15.260 --> 01:05:18.500
I tell some of the younger producers when, when we're
1034
01:05:18.539 --> 01:05:23.000
training them, like, take what I do or take what
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01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:26.820
some of the others do and, you know, apply some
1036
01:05:26.840 --> 01:05:29.340
of those things, but make it your own way, make
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01:05:29.380 --> 01:05:32.219
it your own style, because that's what, that's going to
1038
01:05:32.260 --> 01:05:36.309
be like more invocative of you, you know what I mean? Like, and,
1039
01:05:36.409 --> 01:05:38.650
and showcase your personality at the end of the day,
1040
01:05:39.090 --> 01:05:42.309
rather than just trying to replicate me or replicate Brian
1041
01:05:42.349 --> 01:05:44.090
or whoever is at the office.
1042
01:05:45.260 --> 01:05:49.530
Yeah. I mean, cause that's the funny part about it. Uh, Dude,
1043
01:05:49.650 --> 01:05:53.929
I'm a long way from any of the artists who,
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01:05:54.630 --> 01:06:02.769
you know, who I admire. There's, but I mean, no
1045
01:06:02.789 --> 01:06:06.170
stretch of the imagination do I think I'm even remotely as,
1046
01:06:06.929 --> 01:06:10.849
you know, like once again, not doubting myself because I
1047
01:06:10.909 --> 01:06:14.719
know I'm good. But, you know, as far as someone,
1048
01:06:14.739 --> 01:06:19.619
I mean, be wanting to like try to replicate someone's style, man. No.
1049
01:06:21.260 --> 01:06:23.980
You don't get a Corey Turner because that's like me
1050
01:06:24.019 --> 01:06:28.989
trying to say I can replicate Nicholas style. That's not
1051
01:06:29.010 --> 01:06:29.469
going to happen.
1052
01:06:30.139 --> 01:06:34.530
Right. Well, it's also like, to me, it's less interesting
1053
01:06:34.550 --> 01:06:37.469
if you're just replicating. I'd rather see you on the
1054
01:06:37.510 --> 01:06:40.550
page than just you trying to copy somebody, right?
1055
01:06:40.590 --> 01:06:43.570
You know what I mean? That's the funny part about it.
1056
01:06:47.030 --> 01:06:50.280
That's like trying to steal someone else's story. And that's
1057
01:06:50.300 --> 01:06:53.760
something that people try to do all the time. Man,
1058
01:06:54.880 --> 01:06:58.800
just write your story. Just draw your style. I mean,
1059
01:06:59.570 --> 01:07:02.889
worse comes to worse, people don't like it. But do
1060
01:07:02.929 --> 01:07:05.969
you like it? Because, I mean, you're trying to be
1061
01:07:05.989 --> 01:07:09.170
somebody else. You're missing out on who you are.
1062
01:07:10.030 --> 01:07:13.969
And you then end up wondering, what if you don't
1063
01:07:14.130 --> 01:07:16.309
do it? And you don't want to end up in
1064
01:07:16.369 --> 01:07:16.889
that space.
1065
01:07:17.760 --> 01:07:21.389
Man, that is a bad space to be in. That
1066
01:07:21.429 --> 01:07:24.429
is a horrible space to be in. You see that
1067
01:07:24.449 --> 01:07:28.630
a lot. You see somebody blowing up here. You're like, well,
1068
01:07:28.650 --> 01:07:33.280
maybe I try to do what they're doing. No. Stick
1069
01:07:33.539 --> 01:07:37.219
to what you're doing. Because what's working for them is
1070
01:07:37.260 --> 01:07:40.360
working for them because that's them. It may not work
1071
01:07:40.400 --> 01:07:42.469
the same way for you. Exactly.
1072
01:07:42.489 --> 01:07:45.530
And if you go try and chasing trends and stuff
1073
01:07:45.550 --> 01:07:48.130
like that, it's Maybe it'll work for some, but in
1074
01:07:48.849 --> 01:07:51.929
my experience, it's just led to more problems than good.
1075
01:07:52.590 --> 01:07:57.659
Man, you know, honestly, I can say this right here.
1076
01:07:57.800 --> 01:08:00.659
Back in my DeviantArt days, I tried that for a minute.
1077
01:08:01.360 --> 01:08:04.119
This is like when I first started DeviantArt. I was,
1078
01:08:04.960 --> 01:08:10.900
you know, I wanted to get recognized. And I started
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01:08:10.920 --> 01:08:17.329
trying to draw characters that I would never normally draw. Because,
1080
01:08:17.409 --> 01:08:20.869
you know, hey, I've seen this person, this person getting
1081
01:08:20.909 --> 01:08:24.180
more notoriety. You know, I was in my early 20s.
1082
01:08:25.500 --> 01:08:30.260
It didn't work out. You know, I had to finally decide, hey,
1083
01:08:30.899 --> 01:08:35.789
this right here doesn't work. Be you. And slowly people
1084
01:08:35.810 --> 01:08:38.590
started liking or started gravitating towards matter of age.
1085
01:08:39.489 --> 01:08:43.409
And now they can gravitate towards ignition, which is available worldwide.
1086
01:08:44.449 --> 01:08:46.789
Where is Ignition available for folks who want to pick
1087
01:08:46.829 --> 01:08:47.970
it up and check out your work?
1088
01:08:49.189 --> 01:08:54.859
Well, so far, you can message me on TikTok or
1089
01:08:54.920 --> 01:08:59.229
you can message me on Instagram and I will happily
1090
01:08:59.470 --> 01:08:59.979
ship it to you.
1091
01:09:00.970 --> 01:09:05.159
There you go. And what handles can they reach you at?
1092
01:09:06.260 --> 01:09:12.979
Well, I'm under Final Night Illustrations and it's the same
1093
01:09:13.340 --> 01:09:19.140
plug on both Instagram and on TikTok. You can also
1094
01:09:19.159 --> 01:09:23.090
find me on Corey Turner on Facebook.
1095
01:09:24.609 --> 01:09:27.569
Awesome. And then just message you and that's the best
1096
01:09:27.609 --> 01:09:28.210
way to get the book?
1097
01:09:29.010 --> 01:09:34.340
Oh, yeah. No middleman here. I'm just getting straight Corey.
1098
01:09:34.539 --> 01:09:37.500
I'm shipping them to you fast. Day of.
1099
01:09:38.420 --> 01:09:42.039
And then we're through four books so far, correct?
1100
01:09:43.319 --> 01:09:46.409
Yes, sir. I'm four books in. I'm currently working on
1101
01:09:46.470 --> 01:09:47.050
book five.
1102
01:09:48.220 --> 01:09:51.720
Do you, do you, do you have a idea of
1103
01:09:51.779 --> 01:09:53.619
when you think you'll be done or is it still
1104
01:09:53.640 --> 01:09:54.560
early in the process?
1105
01:09:56.600 --> 01:10:00.890
This right here? Well, Oh, for book five, I, um,
1106
01:10:02.390 --> 01:10:06.170
I give myself another, maybe three months before I'm finished
1107
01:10:06.229 --> 01:10:09.529
with a book five. I mean, that's me being realistic
1108
01:10:09.930 --> 01:10:15.770
with the situation. And I only say that because, you know, life, right?
1109
01:10:15.789 --> 01:10:16.689
Yeah, no, for sure.
1110
01:10:17.670 --> 01:10:22.590
This is a one-man operation right here. I do have
1111
01:10:22.649 --> 01:10:27.300
my family. My wife, who is my editor, she helps
1112
01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:30.979
me out with the grammar and all that right there,
1113
01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:36.100
make sure everything's tidy. But, you know, hey, until the
1114
01:10:36.119 --> 01:10:38.500
book is ready, it's a one-man operation, really.
1115
01:10:38.560 --> 01:10:42.500
Side note, beautiful family, by the way. I got to
1116
01:10:42.539 --> 01:10:44.020
meet them at Comicpalooza.
1117
01:10:44.350 --> 01:10:44.850
Beautiful family.
1118
01:10:44.869 --> 01:10:45.109
Thank you.
1119
01:10:46.539 --> 01:10:47.680
You're welcome. You're welcome.
1120
01:10:49.239 --> 01:10:53.420
Now, for folks, can they get your work this weekend
1121
01:10:53.659 --> 01:10:54.859
at Beaumont?
1122
01:10:56.479 --> 01:11:00.029
Yes, you can get me at the Beaumont Comic Con. Yeah,
1123
01:11:00.069 --> 01:11:00.869
Beaumont Comic Con.
1124
01:11:01.489 --> 01:11:03.989
So where is that going to be at and how
1125
01:11:04.029 --> 01:11:04.989
can folks check you out there?
1126
01:11:05.550 --> 01:11:09.170
Well, it's going to be at Fort Arena. It's going
1127
01:11:09.210 --> 01:11:12.029
to be on the second and third of this weekend.
1128
01:11:12.770 --> 01:11:16.500
I will be there on the final illustration banner. I
1129
01:11:16.539 --> 01:11:19.420
haven't got my booth number just yet. They normally do
1130
01:11:19.460 --> 01:11:22.140
that the day you go there to pick up your badges.
1131
01:11:22.899 --> 01:11:28.520
But it's a relatively medium-sized con, so believe me, you'll
1132
01:11:28.550 --> 01:11:29.050
bump into me.
1133
01:11:30.369 --> 01:11:30.890
There you go.
1134
01:11:31.470 --> 01:11:35.449
So find Corey over at Beaumont Comic Con and check
1135
01:11:35.489 --> 01:11:36.069
out his work.
1136
01:11:36.130 --> 01:11:39.010
Again, remind folks one more time, where can they go
1137
01:11:39.090 --> 01:11:39.789
check out your work?
1138
01:11:41.649 --> 01:11:43.689
To find my work, you can find me on TikTok
1139
01:11:43.989 --> 01:11:47.779
and on Instagram at under Final Night Illustrations. You can
1140
01:11:47.859 --> 01:11:52.640
also find me under Corey Turner on Facebook, or you
1141
01:11:52.659 --> 01:11:57.680
can find me also on Facebook, also on the Final
1142
01:11:57.699 --> 01:11:59.560
Night Illustrations. I just now remember I had one of
1143
01:11:59.600 --> 01:12:00.039
those also.
1144
01:12:01.420 --> 01:12:04.380
See, well, we'll link to all that in the notes
1145
01:12:04.420 --> 01:12:07.189
for this issue of Comicast so people can know where
1146
01:12:07.229 --> 01:12:11.449
to go. Well, Corey, this has been a fun conversation.
1147
01:12:11.550 --> 01:12:13.609
Thank you so much for taking the time to join
1148
01:12:13.649 --> 01:12:16.520
us here on Comicast. appreciate you taking the time.
1149
01:12:17.159 --> 01:12:19.909
Thank you, Michael. I appreciate you even having me on
1150
01:12:20.069 --> 01:12:21.170
and giving me this opportunity.
1151
01:12:21.770 --> 01:12:24.930
For sure. Happy to have you on again.
1152
01:12:24.949 --> 01:12:30.909
Man, hey, once Book5 comes out, we have to do
1153
01:12:30.930 --> 01:12:31.329
this again.
1154
01:12:31.750 --> 01:12:33.970
Oh, for sure. I'm totally down.
1155
01:12:35.310 --> 01:12:39.029
Thanks again to Corey Turner, the final night, if you will,
1156
01:12:39.210 --> 01:12:43.329
final night illustrations on threads and Instagram and then at
1157
01:12:43.470 --> 01:12:47.899
final night. zero X three on Tik TOK and check
1158
01:12:47.939 --> 01:12:52.460
out his website. Final night illustrations.com. Again, all these handles
1159
01:12:52.880 --> 01:12:56.000
and the website final night with a K K N
1160
01:12:56.279 --> 01:12:59.460
I G H T final night and catch Corey this
1161
01:12:59.520 --> 01:13:04.340
weekend at Beaumont comic-con. Just head over to Beaumont con.com
1162
01:13:04.640 --> 01:13:07.399
to find out more details about the lineup guests and
1163
01:13:07.520 --> 01:13:09.979
so much more. That's going to do it for me
1164
01:13:10.060 --> 01:13:12.329
on this edition of comic cast. John and I will
1165
01:13:12.369 --> 01:13:15.119
be back next week. possibly with the Shalice Williams, to
1166
01:13:15.159 --> 01:13:17.829
break down Lanterns, the season finale.
1167
01:13:18.149 --> 01:13:19.689
But until then, see ya.