Issue 664: Lanterns Ep. 3 "OutKast" Spoiler Review with Chalice Williams

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It's a story that I've told many times, and maybe
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some of you have heard it. But it's a story
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very dear to me, and it's the truth.
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It happened.
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My brother Larry, a captain in the Marine Corps, had
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returned from Vietnam. He was a decorated Marine and the
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Bronze Star with V and a couple of Purple Hearts.
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And we were sharing an apartment going through a difficult
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time in my life. when Larry came down, and it
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was about 1984, and we were, as I said, living
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in an apartment together. And he would always take a
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little interest in where I was going every day, because
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I was a, well, a grunt, as the Marines would say.
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You know, if you're a ground trooper, you're a grunt. Anyway,
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Larry's 13 months older, five inches taller.
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And.
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But we're 13 months apart. We were very, very close.
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So he said, Peter, where are you going today? He said, well, Larry, what,
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you need the car? He said, no, no, I just
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want to know where you're going. I said, I'm going
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to audition. I'm going to be, I'm auditioning as a truck.
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He did the same thing. I said, but Larry, he's a,
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evidently he's a hero truck. He's a real, I mean,
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he's a hero. And his face got somber and he said, Peter,
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if you're going to be a hero, be a real hero.
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Don't be a Hollywood hero type with all the BS
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and all the yelling and screaming and trying to be tough.
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Be strong enough to be gentle. Whoa, K-Lar, yeah. So
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it was, His voice is ringing in my ears as
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I'm driving to the audition. And I read the copy,
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and Larry is just coming out. His voice, the way
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he talked to me. And it said, you know, I'm
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Optimus Prime. No, it was, my name is Optimus Prime.
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Transform and roll out.
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My name is Optimus Prime. Optimus Prime.
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Oh, hello there, Internet.
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Welcome to issue 664 of Comic Cast. I'm Michael Carroll,
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alongside Jong Lee.
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Jong, how are you?
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I'm having a good hair day, man.
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Yes, you are. You're having a great hair day.
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I wonder if our other co-host for the day is
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having a great hair day. Shalise, how are you doing?
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How's your hair doing this time? I feel like.
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It's doing pretty good it's it's it's in that like
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third stage of like hey it's either it's dirty enough
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for you to curl it or you're gonna have to
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wash it it's one or the.
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Other right now uh and for those wondering it took
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me about like I don't know a good like two
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minutes with my hair this morning it took a while
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so uh my hair is okay No longer to me.
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It's true.
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It's true.
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But we're not here to talk about hair. We're here
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to talk about lanterns with the three of us once
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again for episode three titled Outcast, which I'm excited to
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dive into it with y'all. But we got to get
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to a few things first off. Let's start with housekeeping stuff.
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would be cool. We would really appreciate it. As you
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do that, we continue to grow and reach more nerds,
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possibly like you. Shalice, really quickly, where can people follow
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you online and all your work and whatnot?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So I am on socials as HeyShalice, that's H-E-Y-C-H-A-L-I-C-E. threads
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uh other name it's still twitter and yeah all of
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those and then also i'm on there as real movie
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Awesome go follow all her work there on her social
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media and whatnot uh and you can listen to a
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version of this podcast wednesday nights at 7 p.m on
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it too much on here. I mention it every now
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and then, but I do a segment every Friday at
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1130 on the Del Oleo Show titled What to Watch.
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And beginning this Friday through the month of September, through
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the rest of this month, I should say, because this
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is the first day. But through the rest of September,
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every Friday during What to Watch, I'll be giving away
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a pair of tickets to Tokyo X, which is happening Saturday,
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September 26th through Sunday, September 27th at Reliance Center. It's
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an immersive event celebrating traditional Japanese culture, anime, gaming, food, fashion, music.
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There will be guests and much, much more. Guests including
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Karen Fukuhara of The Boys, Dante Bosco of Avatar The
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Last Airbender, and the voices of Goku, which for the
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first time ever, Sean Schimel, Mazako Nozawa, Mario Castaneda, and
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Encore Javari the American, Japanese, Spanish, and Indian voice actors
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for Goku will all be together at one event for
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the first time ever. So it's a really cool thing
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that's happening at the end of the month. If you
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want tickets, go to Eventbrite. If you want to learn
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more about Tokyo X-Fest, go to TokyoXFest.com. Or if you
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want to try and win some tickets, you can listen
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to What to Watch this Friday beginning at 11.30 on
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the ESPN 97.5 with me, Del Olalea, and Sean Mapes.
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We'll be giving away pair of tickets. So all the
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exciting things coming up on ESPN 97.5. Excited to do it.
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Yeah, it's going to be a very cool event, man.
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Go check it out. If you're a big fan of anime,
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it's essentially convention is going to be one for you.
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And you get to meet a bunch of cool people.
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They're going to do a bunch of cosplay and all
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that kind of stuff. So it's going to be really,
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really cool.
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Yeah, it's a cool guest list too.
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If you go to, again, go to TokyoXFest.com Check out
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the full lineup, full details of vendors and whatnot.
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It's really cool. So stay tuned for that. That's exciting.
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And then, again, listen this Friday during What to Watch
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to possibly win a pair of tickets. Before we get
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to Lanterns, one other thing, sad news that I do
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want to note. Of course, we had the passing of
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Dolly Parton. We had the passing of Tim Curry last week,
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both of them. It was like three days in a
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row we had these things happen. But Dolly Parton on Tuesday,
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Tim Curry on Wednesday, and then Thursday we learned of
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the passing of legendary voice actor, Peter Cullen, the voice
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of Optimus Prime for, I mean, I guess 40 years
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now at this point, did the voice of the predator. He's,
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he was invincible. He's done a ton of voice acting
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over the years, just an incredible performer. And like, you know,
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everyone was feeling very sad for obvious reasons, like with
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Dolly Parton or with Tim Curry. Like this is the
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one that hit me the most because Peter Cullen has been,
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his voice is like embedded in my mind since childhood.
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And it's just, It was a sad, sad news to
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learn that he passed away at the age of 85.
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Yeah, he.
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Yeah, one of the few things that you look at
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the Hollywood industry and you say, like, Peter Cullen is, like,
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one of the few that you could say, that's him. That's...
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He's Optimus Prime. That's, you know, having other people voice
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that or having other people be that is... Yeah, it's...
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definitely shocking. And, um, yeah, it sucks.
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Yeah.
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Chalice, I don't know how big of a, uh, like
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Transformers fan you were or anything like that, but, uh,
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was Optimus Prime a vital part of your childhood?
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Kind of like ours?
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Well, so as far as like, I think I can't
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say that I related to the cartoons. Like that wasn't
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my thing. Um, but as far as the films, um,
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that was a big thing. And I recently talked about
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it because the conversation has started to spark.
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Again about them trying to revamp it.
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Um, and bring back Shia and Megan. And so it
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was like a no brainer that he would come back
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and voice the character. And that was a video that
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I did like maybe not even two months ago. So
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there was conversation sparking again about them revisiting that. So
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this definitely put the damper in it because it wasn't
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a side character.
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It was the most iconic voice.
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There has been conversations about who gives the best speech
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when it comes to encouraging and like motivation. And it
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was always like the conversation was about him and Captain
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America and and so those type of things, yeah, it's
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just crazy how this was so relevant recently, but for me, yeah,
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those movies, those are some of my favorite action films,
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and I've talked about that a couple of times, and yeah,
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it sucked, and it really caught me off guard, because
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it was like, every day you're waking up, like, who's next,
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and in an ugly way, like, it's not, it's just
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how it was happening, three days back to back, and
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that one was more so, I think that one, out
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of all of them, probably hit me more, because it
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was more so something like films that I remember going
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to the theater, watching, and feeling something, I, Unfortunately, wasn't
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really big into Dolly's music. Tim Curry, his stuff was
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like things I'd re-watch. I didn't go to a theater
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for any of them, I would say. Those were like
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re-watches on TV, but I ran to theaters for those
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Transformers films.
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Yeah, I mean, it's kind of in the same way
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where Dolly Parton's music, I always knew of her, but
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I was never the biggest attachment to her. Nothing against
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her or anything like that. I was just not really
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the demographic. And then Tim Curry was an actor that
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I knew. Of course, I watched It, the original one
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from the TV version way back when. Probably a little
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too young to be watching it. But, you know, Optimus,
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Peter Cullen as Optimus was just an integral part of
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my childhood. And it's a voice that always just resonated.
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And I think you nailed it, too, about who gives
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some of the greatest speeches. And there's that famous quote
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that his... brother told him about when he was going
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to do The Voice, and he said, be strong enough
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to be gentle. I played the beginning of that right
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before the intro on this issue, but yeah, be strong
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enough to be gentle is such a great way to
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describe leadership, and that's one of the things that just
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kind of resonates with me in leadership and what Optimus
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and Peter Cullen's voice represent.
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No, for sure.
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Definitely.
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I think you definitely know that with that, especially a
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lot of like, I think a lot of content creators
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right now were really hit with that one because that
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was like some of their, what got them into wanting
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to do this in the first place, like nerding out
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and just overall.
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I mean, I think that's really, that's what I think
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we're feeling the most.
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Each day when one of those passings was happening, this
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is the one that was like on my side of
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things where people were just like, just grieving and just
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like really reminiscing.
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So it sucks and makes you think.
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Like, man, we're just really getting older and definitely appreciate
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those revamps or reboots.
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When they do them.
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And also, this is something that just really has resonated
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with me in recent years. Give people flowers while they're
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still here. Don't wait until afterwards. Tell the people that
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you care about, whether they're friends, family, people you look
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up to, whatever the case, give them their flowers now
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because you never know when somebody's gone the next day, right?
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Just always be prepared for that and show people love
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and show people support when you can.
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Absolutely. I'm big on, I'm very big on that.
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Anytime I talk to someone that I, or anytime I
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do an interview and it's somebody who, I wouldn't say
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a little bit up in age, but somebody that returns
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to the role, like I really wanted to kind of
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express that at that moment. Like, hey, like, thank you
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so much for coming back. These are some characters that
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we loved and we get to experience that again with
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a new generation. A lot of people introduce their kids
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to the, like the sequels and the reboots. So definitely,
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I mean, Bruce Willis is one of those for me
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that's like, that probably sits with me. Danny Glover, like
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some of the ones I think of me personally, so
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I resonate with people when they lose an icon that
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was iconic to their childhood. For me, getting into some
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of these films and these action films, like Bruce Willis
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and Danny.
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Glover, like hold them very near right now.
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Because their news of their health stuff was really making
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me sad.
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Yeah, it's a sad time. So Peter Cullen passed away
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at the age of 85, a legendary voice actor, We'll
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always remember that voice. Turning to something a little bit lighter,
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and that is Lanterns, Episode 3, Outcast. Of course, full
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spoilers ahead. If you haven't watched the episode as of yet,
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you might tune away or put this podcast on pause
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and watch it, then come back and listen to the
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rest of this podcast, because that's what we're talking about
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the rest of the way.
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Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert.
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Spoiler alert.
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Now, Shalise, Jong had to step away for a few
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minutes because things happened, but he'll be back. So I'm
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going to start with you. What did you think of
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the latest episode of Lanterns? And did you, like me,
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start playing Stankonia afterwards?
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I thought that was a really interesting choice.
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I'm going to take that because I was like, okay,
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like we're going really based on the years, right? Like
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this was, this was like 2016 was the year it
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was taking place in, right?
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Yeah, 2016, but like Stankonia is like early 2000s, I think.
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It's like 98, 2000, something along those lines.
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Yeah, that was an interesting choice.
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I do appreciate that they did that because it's always
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cool when you, music is a big part of some
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of these films and TV shows that when they play them,
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it's like the needle drops are just awesome. And, um,
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I think, yeah, that was, that was a good pick.
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So shout out to whoever came up with that. But
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as far as the episode, like I, I, okay. So
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full transparency, I had a feeling that there's something to
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be really impactful about three.
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The reason reading is.
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Because out of the blue, I was invited to an
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event in, uh, I'm not in LA obviously, but I
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was invited to an event in LA, which was really
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interesting to me because I don't live there. So to
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get invited to an event celebrating episode three and, um,
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What was it? Oh, it was like an event and
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like a party. And it was highlighting that particular episode.
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So I was like, hmm.
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Yeah, there was a gathering, right? Of like all these
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different creators and whatnot, right?
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Yeah, and I was invited to that.
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And it was odd to me because it was like, hey,
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this is not the season premiere or the season finale.
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So what's the significance behind this episode? You know, so
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it all made sense afterwards. But I think, I feel like,
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I feel like I've seen some criticisms and I've seen
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some people read too much into it, which was really annoying.
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But I think it was really, really well done and
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very subtle. It was a very realistic interpretation.
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Like whenever the brothers were making fun of John for
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being like, I guess, quote unquote, whitewashed because.
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Of his taste in music or whatever. Like, I get it.
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I just, I think my biggest qualm with that was
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that I really wish that the parents had explained, or
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them showing that the parents had explained to the brothers, hey,
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we're not treating him different because he's.
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Better than you guys, or he's lighter than you guys.
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I've seen people talk about the colorism thing, but that
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they specifically believed, hey, he was going to be able
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to be groomed with no fear because he was a baby.
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Right, right. Yeah, you can build that up.
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They didn't do that.
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Right, and so even when one of the boys was like,
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you guys like him better than us, or it's always
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him or something like that. He said, he walked off.
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There was no shot to, Hey, and going to correct that.
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And that was the one miss for me for an episode,
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because y'all just let the kid believe that, Oh, he
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was better than y'all.
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Or y'all like him better. He's a favorite. It wasn't
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that it was simply, he just happened to be the
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baby at the time.
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And doesn't that speak to, and I think the actress
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who played John Stewart's mom after, after the fact, you know, they're,
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I guess in a way like thrown into this whole situation,
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and they don't really know what to do, and they're
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doing what they feel is best, but at the same time,
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what they feel is best may be also detrimental, not
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only to John, but his two brothers.
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I mean, yeah, like, I think they're having to live
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with that, you know, they're having to live with the,
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I guess, like, seeing him get treated differently, and they're
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not able to really, like, process like hey why.
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Are we leaving our brother right what looks to be
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like a skid.
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Row right like why do we keep shooting apples off
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of our kid brother's head.
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Like that's gotta have some kind of impact on their
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you know on their um growing up and um and
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that was a that was a tough that was a
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tough thing to watch but it was like i'm watching
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it and then afterwards i'm not i it took me
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not a minute but it was like it was interesting
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to process how people were like so um Like moved
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emotionally by this episode, because I just looked at it
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like being this was necessary.
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Some people were shocked that they went that route. I
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thought it was.
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Necessary to very much indulge in, hey, why is he
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this stern, cold person? Like what what what happened to
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him as a kid to where he's like this? And
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that showed, hey, they groomed him to be that way nonstop.
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But yeah, them including how he was treated different than
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his brothers when he.
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Just wanted Crayola. I felt like he still could have
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got crayons.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I mean, I really was like, he still could have
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got crayons and a suit. But then I was like, well,
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maybe they didn't want him to be soft.
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Right.
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You know, like in taking in that stereotype of, oh,
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if you're an artist, you're soft.
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Because they did eventually like foster it a bit, right? Because,
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of course, he goes to the art school and then
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she doesn't stop him from drawing or anything like that.
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But early on, it felt like, yeah, we're pushing the
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Green Lantern. narrative to make you go down that route.
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Yeah, but her giving him the art school opportunity, he
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was grown, right?
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Yeah, he was grown. He was very much grown.
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Yeah, he could have went there himself and wanted to.
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At that point, Mama can't tell him what to do.
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Yeah, and the only reason why he goes there is
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because of the dishonorable discharge.
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Yeah, so I was like, okay, well, I mean, he's
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still grown at that point. We have to be like, what, 2021?
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Like, he wasn't... Yeah, he's probably... Well, if he did
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the interview with The Guardian... Because he's been with Hal
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for two months. So that's probably... He's in his 30s
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or so.
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Early 30s.
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By that point.
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Okay.
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So.
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Okay, yeah. He didn't look too different.
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No, no.
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That's hard because, you know, Aaron Pierre. Incredible.
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Yeah, he's great. He's a really good actor.
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I wasn't really familiar with his game because I was
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one of the few people who didn't see.
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What was that movie?
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Oh, Rebel Ridge.
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Rebel Ridge.
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Yeah.
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I hadn't seen that yet. And so this was my
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introduction to him, which I think was, great.
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And he's a solid pick. I'm glad that they, I mean,
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I'm glad they went this route. I'm still curious to
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see how they're going to do the, like, I guess
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the transition of them. Like, if they're still going to hold,
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if they're still.
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Going to have Hal Jordan involved. I know you were
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saying this before, like, about the, they're probably going to
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still keep him as like a.
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Hologram.
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A hologram and loaded into the memory bank type thing.
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And which is cool and all, but it's like, I
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still would have loved to see more of their interaction,
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but I mean, it's, they're going to, they can only
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do one. You can't keep both of them around, especially
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if you're going to have Guy Gardner around too. Like
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it just, that'd be too much to do too many
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of them.
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So, so yeah.
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I want to go back to something you said about,
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about Aaron Pierre and his performance as Jon Stewart, because,
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you know, you mentioned about him being stoic and, and
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this episode gives, obviously gives us the understanding of why
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he is, so stoic and just so different feeling than
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Hal Jordan, right? He's not necessarily emotional like Hal Jordan is.
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He goes about things in a much different way because
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of what he's been through over the course of his years,
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not just in the military, of course, as his family,
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as his mom and dad raised him to be a
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Green Lantern. But that juxtaposition of those two and also...
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We get the origin story basically of Jon Stewart, but
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we don't get the origin story of Hal Jordan. But
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it also makes sense because there is plenty of media
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where we see the origins of Hal Jordan. We don't see,
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and as they talk about it in the after episode,
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Jon Stewart doesn't really have a full-on origin story. So
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to create this version of an origin story for Jon Stewart,
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I thought was really smart. And it makes sense why
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you would do it in this way to showcase how
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he is so different why the Guardians would want him,
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why they think, yeah, he would be an excellent Green Lantern.
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Yeah, and I wouldn't say the word grooming when it
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comes to how Hal is working with him, but he's
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a little tougher on him, right? He's like, hey, I'll
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meet you down the street at the taco truck or
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the taco spot. He's tougher on him, I think it's
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because he probably expects better of him, but there is
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one part that I think was really important to kind
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of dissect, was at the very end, whenever he was
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rude to him, and then he turns around right before
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he flies off, he makes this facial reaction.
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And I think the conversation was one or two things.
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One, was he like, man, I didn't want a protege,
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but here we are. Or was he like, oh man,
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I really hate that I had to be this rude
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to him.
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I hate that I just did.
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I hate that I just said what I said to him,
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because he seems like a nice guy.
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His family was nice.
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Did he regret that the way he just came off
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or was he like, oh man, I didn't really didn't
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want to protege.
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I tend to believe that he was, was more so
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I hate that I had to say that because it
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is more of him with his own insecurities and his
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own like, oh, I earned this ring. You're not just
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going to pry it from my dead hands or whatever
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like that. Like it's one of those things where it's like,
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you know, in movies where if someone has somebody that
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they want to keep safe and they treat them really
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rudely to like push them away because they want to
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keep them safe in that way, it feels kind of
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like that where he's being very rude, very disrespectful. He
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spoils the news about being a green lantern to the
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parents instead of letting John get the moment. He does
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all these things and he says it's, he's doing it
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in a way to like maybe push him away. But
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I think really deep down, he understands like John Stewart
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is a good person. And he is going to train him,
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but he's not happy about it, if that makes sense.
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I feel like I rambled a little bit, but I
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hope that makes sense.
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Yeah, no, no, no. That makes a lot of sense.
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It makes a lot of sense. I love their dynamic, though.
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It doesn't have to be like, it's not like the
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buddy cop type thing that we'd see.
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And it's not like the absolute enemies.
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But I do think a lot of people were very
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like proud on picking up like, hey, I picked up
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on the fact that I don't think John is as
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innocent as we think he is. Like, I think he's
485
00:23:48.970 --> 00:23:51.240
there on a mission because he is that black and
486
00:23:51.279 --> 00:23:51.940
white soldier.
487
00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:52.700
He is there to.
488
00:23:52.700 --> 00:23:55.660
Do what he's told and no matter what his feelings are.
489
00:23:55.740 --> 00:23:57.839
So if he's told to take out Hal Jordan and those.
490
00:23:57.779 --> 00:23:59.900
Are orders and those are orders, you know. So I
491
00:24:00.019 --> 00:24:02.700
think that was that was that's important to note as well.
492
00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:03.220
Yeah.
493
00:24:03.640 --> 00:24:06.019
Do you think he, John would do it if put,
494
00:24:06.140 --> 00:24:07.140
if push comes to shove?
495
00:24:07.460 --> 00:24:08.200
Yeah. Yeah.
496
00:24:08.259 --> 00:24:11.119
Especially cause he doesn't have like what, um, I forget
497
00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:13.089
the woman's name, the female guardian.
498
00:24:13.730 --> 00:24:17.150
Oh, I forget her name, but yeah. Played by Laura Linney.
499
00:24:17.710 --> 00:24:20.470
Yes. When, um, when her character was like trying to
500
00:24:20.549 --> 00:24:22.069
like egg him on and be messy.
501
00:24:22.089 --> 00:24:22.309
Yeah.
502
00:24:22.329 --> 00:24:24.789
But like your dad, he got it over your dad.
503
00:24:24.829 --> 00:24:26.529
And like, he's, you know, would you say that he's
504
00:24:26.549 --> 00:24:28.430
the fault for why you fell out with like why
505
00:24:28.450 --> 00:24:30.019
your family treated you different or why you don't have
506
00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:31.990
a great relationship with your brothers? Like, She was egging
507
00:24:32.029 --> 00:24:33.589
it on. So we really put all those things in
508
00:24:33.609 --> 00:24:36.410
what Hal is responsible for him as a person or not.
509
00:24:36.849 --> 00:24:38.650
That's what his orders were to do. Right.
510
00:24:38.670 --> 00:24:39.390
Hal was selected.
511
00:24:39.410 --> 00:24:41.019
It wasn't Hal's fault that he was selected over the
512
00:24:41.059 --> 00:24:43.319
guy's dad. So I think when you put him in
513
00:24:43.339 --> 00:24:44.579
a position to where he has to do what he
514
00:24:44.619 --> 00:24:47.859
has to do, he's I mean, he's his relationship or
515
00:24:47.880 --> 00:24:49.900
his friendship, whatever it is that he builds with Hal
516
00:24:50.220 --> 00:24:51.920
is not more important than everything he went through as
517
00:24:51.940 --> 00:24:52.220
a kid.
518
00:24:53.170 --> 00:24:53.349
Yeah.
519
00:24:54.089 --> 00:24:54.859
I think he would put.
520
00:24:54.769 --> 00:24:58.130
That bullet right there where he needed to.
521
00:24:58.250 --> 00:25:01.210
He's willing to do it, I think so, too, if
522
00:25:01.269 --> 00:25:02.410
push comes to shove. But I.
523
00:25:04.430 --> 00:25:08.569
Also think that John is inherently a good person deep down.
524
00:25:08.690 --> 00:25:11.609
And if it is a situation where he doesn't feel
525
00:25:11.650 --> 00:25:13.569
right about it, he wouldn't do it. Now, if Hal
526
00:25:13.670 --> 00:25:16.259
challenges him in a way to where it's putting other
527
00:25:16.299 --> 00:25:18.720
people in danger, he'll do it with no hesitation.
528
00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:20.420
Yeah, for sure.
529
00:25:20.680 --> 00:25:24.940
And he's been taught. and craft it to do just
530
00:25:24.980 --> 00:25:27.339
exactly that. Like, and I think that that's, I think
531
00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:29.640
that's awesome. I think that the way that they went
532
00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:31.369
about this was like not making it to where it's
533
00:25:31.410 --> 00:25:32.269
like their pals.
534
00:25:32.329 --> 00:25:35.069
It's like, there is some kind of like, there is
535
00:25:35.109 --> 00:25:37.670
some kind of like on edge, like will he, won't
536
00:25:37.710 --> 00:25:38.619
he type thing.
537
00:25:39.910 --> 00:25:42.420
I like that because when you were first introduced, you're like, okay, like,
538
00:25:42.460 --> 00:25:44.579
you know, he's got his best interest, but then you're like, well,
539
00:25:44.599 --> 00:25:47.180
hold on. They both might have an underlying reason to
540
00:25:47.220 --> 00:25:50.380
despise one another, not really despise, but to be against
541
00:25:50.460 --> 00:25:52.019
one another. Cause maybe how it really doesn't want this
542
00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:54.680
guy to take over. Or what we did come to
543
00:25:54.700 --> 00:25:57.180
see was like, Hey, you know, John might be ordered
544
00:25:57.220 --> 00:25:58.240
to have to take this one out.
545
00:25:59.039 --> 00:25:59.259
Yeah.
546
00:25:59.380 --> 00:26:01.880
And I think this episode also does a good job of,
547
00:26:02.180 --> 00:26:06.180
of explaining why there's so much while they work together
548
00:26:06.619 --> 00:26:10.930
and they're, they're talking with each other. There is, underlying
549
00:26:12.410 --> 00:26:16.950
elements of animosity and frustration with each other because one,
550
00:26:17.150 --> 00:26:19.990
Hal didn't want a protege, didn't want a sidekick, doesn't
551
00:26:20.009 --> 00:26:22.359
want to back up, whatever the case. And he feels like,
552
00:26:22.819 --> 00:26:24.799
I think he also feels like the guardians are trying
553
00:26:24.819 --> 00:26:27.599
to push him out because he doesn't follow their rules
554
00:26:27.819 --> 00:26:30.819
to the T and doesn't follow their, their everything that
555
00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:35.259
they do. But then you look at John, it destroyed
556
00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:38.950
his dad at the beginning, of course, from his very childhood.
557
00:26:39.259 --> 00:26:42.819
And he didn't end up having any sort of, maybe
558
00:26:42.859 --> 00:26:46.119
had some semblance of a normal childhood, but not a
559
00:26:46.220 --> 00:26:49.880
regular childhood. Not many dads are shooting apples off of
560
00:26:50.259 --> 00:26:53.559
kids' heads and making you shoot the apple off your
561
00:26:53.579 --> 00:26:58.549
mom's head or anything like that. And he's disarmingly discharged
562
00:26:58.589 --> 00:27:04.210
from the military because of Hal's just like cowboy nature.
563
00:27:04.369 --> 00:27:07.289
He just shows up, blows up, like he just destroys
564
00:27:07.329 --> 00:27:11.519
and decimates and doesn't think of the consequences at all
565
00:27:12.539 --> 00:27:16.299
and who takes the fall john stewart which there is
566
00:27:16.339 --> 00:27:19.549
a bigger meaning to that i think as well which
567
00:27:19.569 --> 00:27:22.250
this episode i think does a great job of highlighting.
568
00:27:23.049 --> 00:27:25.450
Yeah and And to your point on that, I did
569
00:27:25.470 --> 00:27:26.269
want to talk.
570
00:27:26.130 --> 00:27:28.619
About the apples on the head because I keep thinking
571
00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:32.400
that that's going to go wrong every single time they
572
00:27:32.420 --> 00:27:35.839
do it. It makes me so nervous because I'm always thinking,
573
00:27:35.859 --> 00:27:38.619
you know, the military and his dad is one thing.
574
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:40.380
You know, his dad is trained to do those things.
575
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:43.470
But like a kid, fear or not, it's not about
576
00:27:43.529 --> 00:27:44.000
fearing it.
577
00:27:44.069 --> 00:27:46.849
It's error. It's an error. Like an error can really
578
00:27:46.869 --> 00:27:48.390
go wrong. And I'm just scared that that's going to be.
579
00:27:48.690 --> 00:27:50.950
That's why I thought when I didn't see episode three
580
00:27:51.029 --> 00:27:51.890
right when everyone else did.
581
00:27:52.500 --> 00:27:53.940
Um when everyone else watched.
582
00:27:53.740 --> 00:27:54.960
It i didn't get to see it at the same
583
00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:59.380
time and uh i was i was thinking that that
584
00:27:59.420 --> 00:28:01.200
the mom was gonna get like something was gonna happen
585
00:28:01.220 --> 00:28:03.109
to like the mom i thought that that was what
586
00:28:03.140 --> 00:28:03.750
everyone was like.
587
00:28:03.660 --> 00:28:06.609
I'm emotional about blah blah whatever whatever and.
588
00:28:06.670 --> 00:28:08.650
That that's so i went into this thinking something's gonna
589
00:28:08.670 --> 00:28:10.309
happen and when i saw that she gave him the
590
00:28:10.349 --> 00:28:12.549
opportunity to shoot it off her head i was like
591
00:28:12.569 --> 00:28:16.190
oh my god but Now we understand why he's a vegan, right?
592
00:28:16.210 --> 00:28:18.309
They kept trying to offer to do cheeseburgers every time.
593
00:28:18.690 --> 00:28:23.299
I'm sick of cheeseburgers. I hate cheeseburgers. Also, him saying, oh, no,
594
00:28:23.450 --> 00:28:26.700
not dad, you. And she's like, oh, okay.
595
00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:30.480
Jong, you're back. Welcome back to the podcast, my friend.
596
00:28:31.180 --> 00:28:34.339
What did you think of episode three? We've kind of
597
00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:38.740
been talking about the difference between Jon Stewart and Hal
598
00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:41.230
in terms of that, well, maybe not difference, but the
599
00:28:41.309 --> 00:28:43.950
animosity they feel towards each other. And this episode really
600
00:28:43.970 --> 00:28:47.410
did a good job of highlighting their frustrations with each other.
601
00:28:47.769 --> 00:28:50.990
And especially with Jon Stewart, not only does it show
602
00:28:51.130 --> 00:28:55.619
rightfully so why he would be angry or frustrated with Hal,
603
00:28:56.940 --> 00:29:01.400
but also the greater aspect to this episode. I think
604
00:29:01.900 --> 00:29:04.400
this episode really did a phenomenal job of showcasing all
605
00:29:04.420 --> 00:29:04.680
of that.
606
00:29:05.700 --> 00:29:09.180
Well, yeah, and he essentially grew up all his life
607
00:29:09.970 --> 00:29:12.029
basically his dad was like, I was supposed to be
608
00:29:12.069 --> 00:29:19.819
Green Lantern. And, you know, being raised, essentially, so we
609
00:29:19.859 --> 00:29:22.819
have this whole nature-nurture thing, and I guess you could
610
00:29:22.859 --> 00:29:27.440
say John and his dad are both, like, quote, natural for,
611
00:29:27.579 --> 00:29:30.420
natural personality to become a Green Lantern, except it's just
612
00:29:30.460 --> 00:29:34.720
that his dad, John Sr., couldn't overcome the fear, and
613
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:37.180
so now they're training him to, you know, they're nurturing,
614
00:29:37.299 --> 00:29:40.279
and they're nurturing him as well, and so he's grown
615
00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:42.900
up this entire life kind of like had this idea
616
00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:44.980
of like you know how jordan shouldn't be the green
617
00:29:45.019 --> 00:29:47.960
lantern it should be me and he's been you know
618
00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:51.140
20 plus years of having this thought in his head
619
00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:54.150
that he's the rightful green lantern or his dad was
620
00:29:54.170 --> 00:29:56.750
supposed to be the rightful green lantern so He, before
621
00:29:56.769 --> 00:30:01.170
he even met Hal, had this preconceived notion of who
622
00:30:01.210 --> 00:30:05.430
he is. And like you guys were talking about at
623
00:30:05.470 --> 00:30:08.980
the compound, at the house too, where Hal just comes in,
624
00:30:09.099 --> 00:30:12.259
guns blazing, blows everything up, and grabs the guy and
625
00:30:12.339 --> 00:30:15.460
just kind of jets off. And I'm surprised the U.S.
626
00:30:15.500 --> 00:30:22.039
military waited nine months. Very patient. And so, yeah, I
627
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:25.359
thoroughly enjoyed the episode. And I want to get into...
628
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:27.980
race here in a little bit uh but because i
629
00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:31.480
found the the entire episode so fascinating i love the
630
00:30:32.259 --> 00:30:34.720
the title of the episode was named outcast with the
631
00:30:34.779 --> 00:30:37.140
k which is you know i i just thought it
632
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:40.059
was a cherry on top of everything else yeah i
633
00:30:40.299 --> 00:30:42.380
i really really enjoy this show.
634
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:44.200
Well let's let's get into some of that because you
635
00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:46.559
mentioned it also uh i did i do want to
636
00:30:46.599 --> 00:30:49.160
highlight i did mention at the beginning uh i have
637
00:30:49.180 --> 00:30:52.579
been listening to stankonia now so uh i've been just
638
00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:54.980
jamming that But I do want to get to what
639
00:30:55.019 --> 00:30:59.039
you just mentioned, because, you know, when when the Guardians
640
00:30:59.579 --> 00:31:04.130
or when the ring goes to John's dad, of course
641
00:31:04.190 --> 00:31:06.170
he would be freaked out because he has his family.
642
00:31:06.210 --> 00:31:09.210
He doesn't know what's happening. This it's just a very
643
00:31:09.269 --> 00:31:13.069
different thing. So it's not really a fair question to ask.
644
00:31:13.170 --> 00:31:16.049
And as the mom highlights to the Guardian played by
645
00:31:16.089 --> 00:31:19.519
Laura Linney. she says, how unfair is it to ask
646
00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:22.400
a black man if he's afraid in America? Even in space,
647
00:31:22.420 --> 00:31:25.859
y'all don't consider us. What did y'all think of those elements?
648
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:27.859
Because I thought they were really powerful and speaks to
649
00:31:27.900 --> 00:31:31.319
why this show reminds me so much of Watchmen 2019.
650
00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:34.400
I think that that's a, see, that was a tough
651
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:35.940
thing to say.
652
00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:37.950
Like, if anybody's going to take away any kind of like,
653
00:31:38.730 --> 00:31:41.150
if anyone was going to take away any kind of like, hey,
654
00:31:41.170 --> 00:31:44.650
this was a misrepresented statement, I feel like what she
655
00:31:44.710 --> 00:31:48.509
said is valid, right? But that's not what they're, you know,
656
00:31:48.549 --> 00:31:51.170
they're not there. I don't think that they were thinking
657
00:31:51.190 --> 00:31:53.380
like that. Cause she would, cause the, the Lord, her
658
00:31:53.390 --> 00:31:54.240
name's Laura, right?
659
00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:54.839
Yeah.
660
00:31:54.859 --> 00:31:55.339
Laura Lenny.
661
00:31:55.619 --> 00:31:55.799
Yeah.
662
00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:58.900
Yeah. Like she's not, she's when she was, she wasn't
663
00:31:58.920 --> 00:32:02.619
trying to disregard his ethnicity. She just simply just wasn't aware. That's,
664
00:32:02.940 --> 00:32:04.500
that was the one thing I kind of was like,
665
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:06.720
whenever you're asking her, like, see you, when she was like, see,
666
00:32:06.740 --> 00:32:08.839
you don't, you guys don't even regard us there. So
667
00:32:08.900 --> 00:32:11.220
I was like, ah, that's a stretch. That's a reach
668
00:32:11.259 --> 00:32:14.279
for me because I'm thinking she's not intentionally, you know,
669
00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:16.970
she just, ignorant and not you know not being knowledgeable
670
00:32:16.990 --> 00:32:19.950
like she just wasn't knowledgeable about the race the race
671
00:32:20.009 --> 00:32:24.019
issues here in the u.s versus in space right like
672
00:32:24.230 --> 00:32:27.200
so that right there i think i might be on
673
00:32:27.220 --> 00:32:29.140
the on the fence about because i i don't i
674
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:30.579
don't agree with that i don't think she meant it
675
00:32:30.619 --> 00:32:33.880
like that like to be taken like that so but
676
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:36.529
um but yeah i i definitely get what you're saying
677
00:32:36.549 --> 00:32:38.009
you're asking you wait first and foremost you wake up
678
00:32:38.049 --> 00:32:40.710
anybody black white hispanic asian whatever you wake me up
679
00:32:40.730 --> 00:32:41.930
in the middle of the night with a green light
680
00:32:42.190 --> 00:32:44.309
i'm definitely gonna be yeah i'm scared too like what
681
00:32:44.390 --> 00:32:48.200
what Because you can't anticipate that happening. You're not anticipating
682
00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:50.740
being chosen for the Green Lantern and you're supposed to
683
00:32:50.779 --> 00:32:52.769
say yes. I mean, no, you're supposed to say no,
684
00:32:52.789 --> 00:32:57.069
you're not scared or afraid. But yeah, I disagree with that.
685
00:32:57.150 --> 00:32:58.210
I thought that part was a stretch.
686
00:32:58.230 --> 00:33:00.670
I get the other themes about ethnicity and race and
687
00:33:00.710 --> 00:33:02.130
how you grew up. I get that 100%.
688
00:33:02.130 --> 00:33:05.430
But that part about, well, y'all don't even regard us
689
00:33:05.490 --> 00:33:09.130
up there. I really think Laura was very much oblivious
690
00:33:09.170 --> 00:33:11.650
to the ethnicity of the race conversation down here.
691
00:33:11.670 --> 00:33:15.609
I mean, yeah, the guardians are ignorant and that's, I mean,
692
00:33:15.690 --> 00:33:17.710
ignorance isn't like, it's not a good thing, but I
693
00:33:17.930 --> 00:33:22.329
wouldn't necessarily say it's a bad thing either. But it's like,
694
00:33:22.470 --> 00:33:26.150
she just doesn't know because she, frankly, I don't think
695
00:33:26.170 --> 00:33:32.059
they care. And that's something that is not important to them,
696
00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:37.000
but it's really important to people on earth. And for
697
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:39.369
them to, I wouldn't say disregard, but just, you know,
698
00:33:39.390 --> 00:33:43.759
not know that portion, a part of, what makes humans, humans.
699
00:33:43.859 --> 00:33:47.210
And like she mentions in that room where they get,
700
00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:49.789
they are born by themselves and they die by themselves.
701
00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:54.029
And you could see the expression on John's face. Like, yeah, John,
702
00:33:54.190 --> 00:33:59.210
John was very much methodically brought up and raised, but
703
00:33:59.569 --> 00:34:01.230
there was also a lot of love in that house
704
00:34:01.789 --> 00:34:04.450
and a lot of love from his mom and dad.
705
00:34:05.369 --> 00:34:09.739
And this, the scene in the first episode, it just, this,
706
00:34:09.969 --> 00:34:14.179
this episode makes that scene even, much, much different. Like
707
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:16.619
his dad's not a drunk or I guess he was
708
00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:18.679
a little bit, but his dad's not a drunk that
709
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:21.820
is abusing his kids. He did it for a specific reason.
710
00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:24.360
And the guardians don't really know that. And well, I
711
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:26.380
guess they know it because they, they see, but they see,
712
00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:28.159
I feel like they see a lot of black and
713
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:34.190
white and they don't, they don't understand the, the, you know,
714
00:34:34.289 --> 00:34:37.489
love and, um, all that, uh, other type of human emotion.
715
00:34:37.550 --> 00:34:42.000
And so like, I think, uh, being, uh, being black
716
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:44.960
in america is something that they don't understand the new
717
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:48.590
they don't understand the nuance of of that race situation
718
00:34:48.630 --> 00:34:51.650
that you have here with them i would imagine it's
719
00:34:52.710 --> 00:34:53.389
oh was it the.
720
00:34:53.710 --> 00:34:57.829
80s uh 90s 90s six yeah.
721
00:34:57.150 --> 00:34:59.030
Because i was outcast so yeah i was around the
722
00:34:59.329 --> 00:35:01.969
90s so yeah i was um yeah it's uh yeah
723
00:35:01.989 --> 00:35:04.469
very nuanced and then i just they don't they don't see.
724
00:35:04.389 --> 00:35:08.340
That well also too they don't they didn't understand how
725
00:35:08.380 --> 00:35:12.630
to offer proper compensation They give her a giant diamond. And,
726
00:35:12.789 --> 00:35:14.610
of course, how is she going to try and cash
727
00:35:14.650 --> 00:35:17.590
that when people don't believe she actually has that giant
728
00:35:17.650 --> 00:35:19.190
diamond or anything like that?
729
00:35:19.230 --> 00:35:19.409
Yeah.
730
00:35:19.429 --> 00:35:22.050
Now, that I got with because of a– they went
731
00:35:22.070 --> 00:35:23.719
that route like, hey, you have a black woman trying
732
00:35:23.739 --> 00:35:26.500
to cash this big diamond. But the fact that they
733
00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:30.820
actually did get to cash it was satisfying because they
734
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:31.699
had been like, hey, so.
735
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:35.019
She went to jail because she tried to cash it.
736
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:35.159
Yeah.
737
00:35:35.630 --> 00:35:37.250
But that was right there, showed me right there.
738
00:35:37.269 --> 00:35:40.989
That showed me how unaware, situationally unaware this alien is.
739
00:35:41.030 --> 00:35:45.269
How can you expect? You could take somebody from India, Canada,
740
00:35:45.409 --> 00:35:47.409
anywhere that doesn't know how things are done in the U.S.
741
00:35:47.429 --> 00:35:48.210
They're not going to know.
742
00:35:48.349 --> 00:35:49.949
They don't have they're not necessarily going to know how
743
00:35:49.989 --> 00:35:51.130
black people are treated in America.
744
00:35:51.170 --> 00:35:53.110
Like you can't. It don't even have to be an alien.
745
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:55.699
It could be somebody from a different country that's just
746
00:35:55.840 --> 00:35:58.099
innocent of knowing. Like I have friends that are different
747
00:35:58.139 --> 00:36:01.239
ethnicities and they're like, oh, Palestinians don't like this or
748
00:36:01.300 --> 00:36:04.909
you can't say that word or I've used certain. Spanish
749
00:36:04.989 --> 00:36:10.349
words that are derogatory in another Spanish country. Like I've, I've,
750
00:36:10.389 --> 00:36:12.010
I've grew up around a lot of my, a lot
751
00:36:12.030 --> 00:36:14.650
of my friends are Mexican or Salvadorian, but if I
752
00:36:14.769 --> 00:36:18.059
use some of those words or slang that we'd use around.
753
00:36:17.820 --> 00:36:23.420
A Venezuelan, they would see it as a bad word. Yeah.
754
00:36:23.699 --> 00:36:25.440
Like there's different things about, so I thought that I
755
00:36:25.460 --> 00:36:28.719
thought that was a reach when it came to her like,
756
00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:30.039
trying to charge up the alien.
757
00:36:30.059 --> 00:36:32.039
Like, oh, you should know. It's not like that. Like,
758
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:34.119
that's not... You can't ask no black man that. I
759
00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:36.820
was like, nah. Nah, nah, nah.
760
00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:40.940
But one thing I did like about this episode, though,
761
00:36:41.420 --> 00:36:44.050
is that in, I think, a lot of medium or
762
00:36:44.070 --> 00:36:46.869
a lot of shows or movies or whatever, the marriage
763
00:36:46.889 --> 00:36:47.130
would have.
764
00:36:47.449 --> 00:36:48.710
Like, dissolved completely.
765
00:36:49.190 --> 00:36:54.489
But instead of dissolving completely, they reform and are bonded
766
00:36:54.690 --> 00:36:59.780
and become... a seemingly happy family, right? Like they, they,
767
00:37:00.099 --> 00:37:02.780
they go about it. They of course are training John
768
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:07.039
to be this green lantern eventually in probably some questionable ways,
769
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:09.760
but they're doing what they think is best in those moments. And,
770
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:11.679
and they're doing what they can, but there, there's a
771
00:37:11.780 --> 00:37:13.699
version of the show where they could have easily just
772
00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:16.579
pushed the two of them away. Had the dad be
773
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:18.659
a drunk, be considered a crazy person and all this
774
00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:21.849
and that, but instead they brought them together and they're,
775
00:37:22.070 --> 00:37:24.269
they're doing their best to raise these three kids.
776
00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:26.320
I do have a question for you guys, though, because
777
00:37:26.340 --> 00:37:28.599
I want to get your input on this one. Do
778
00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:30.679
y'all think that part of the training should have been
779
00:37:30.699 --> 00:37:33.659
a lack of showing love? And I say that to
780
00:37:33.949 --> 00:37:36.369
bring up the part where, yeah, they dropped him off
781
00:37:36.429 --> 00:37:38.889
to be tough. But when he got home to not
782
00:37:39.110 --> 00:37:41.849
give him a hug, you know, to just blow past
783
00:37:41.889 --> 00:37:44.869
him like, you know, pork chops in the microwave.
784
00:37:44.989 --> 00:37:46.710
And like like it seemed like they.
785
00:37:46.650 --> 00:37:48.769
Were avoiding giving him love because she kind of like
786
00:37:48.809 --> 00:37:50.250
leaned up against the wall when she walked out of
787
00:37:50.289 --> 00:37:52.940
his room. And I was like, okay, I get being
788
00:37:52.980 --> 00:37:55.179
tough on him, but does he not deserve love?
789
00:37:55.619 --> 00:37:56.179
What is this?
790
00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:01.039
I think they're suppressing that a little bit. And you
791
00:38:01.059 --> 00:38:03.619
could tell if they weren't showing him love, I don't
792
00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:06.730
know if the pork chop would be in the microwave.
793
00:38:07.489 --> 00:38:10.289
I think that they're doing their best to show as
794
00:38:10.349 --> 00:38:15.250
much love as they can without making him become fearful
795
00:38:15.610 --> 00:38:19.460
and not become a part of the Greenland decor. So I...
796
00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:23.590
And I think dad's more of a softie than mom.
797
00:38:23.769 --> 00:38:27.590
Mom was pretty... Mom was hardcore. Yeah, mom's pretty tough
798
00:38:27.670 --> 00:38:31.250
on her. And it's funny. I was like, man, I
799
00:38:31.389 --> 00:38:35.789
know her. She looks familiar. Well, I think she was in...
800
00:38:36.010 --> 00:38:41.780
One of my favorite movies growing up was Remember the Titans.
801
00:38:41.820 --> 00:38:44.960
She was the wife in Remember the Titans.
802
00:38:44.980 --> 00:38:45.480
Oh, she was?
803
00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:48.260
Yeah, Nicole Ari Parker. I was like, man, she looks
804
00:38:48.300 --> 00:38:48.760
really familiar.
805
00:38:48.780 --> 00:38:48.860
Yeah.
806
00:38:49.190 --> 00:38:52.650
Anyway, it's funny, like a little tangent here, but like
807
00:38:52.809 --> 00:38:55.309
she played kind of the complete opposite of what she
808
00:38:55.409 --> 00:38:59.349
is in this show, where in that movie, she played
809
00:38:59.369 --> 00:39:04.199
a very supportive, very soft version of a mom. And
810
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:06.380
now she's playing a role where obviously she has a
811
00:39:06.420 --> 00:39:08.800
lot in between there. But in this role, she's a
812
00:39:09.139 --> 00:39:13.659
supportive wife, but also a very hard ass and something
813
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:17.280
like you know, she sees, she saw this for her
814
00:39:17.340 --> 00:39:20.920
husband and obviously he got passed up. And because he
815
00:39:20.940 --> 00:39:23.929
got passed up, obviously of this, this trauma of being
816
00:39:23.969 --> 00:39:26.269
a black man, being passed up for a white man
817
00:39:27.150 --> 00:39:29.769
in America here in the eighties and nineties, like that,
818
00:39:29.809 --> 00:39:32.289
you know, rub, you know, that kind of trigger stuff.
819
00:39:32.809 --> 00:39:35.570
And so her dream from here on out is to
820
00:39:35.989 --> 00:39:40.409
make sure John Jr. becomes the green lantern. And, um,
821
00:39:41.170 --> 00:39:43.789
she's using all her energy to kind of put that
822
00:39:43.829 --> 00:39:47.570
into it. And, um, And she's the one that keeps
823
00:39:47.590 --> 00:39:48.809
telling him, you got to keep going. You got to
824
00:39:48.829 --> 00:39:50.820
keep going. Where dad's like, oh, I think he might
825
00:39:50.860 --> 00:39:52.340
have had enough, but no, you got to keep going.
826
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:54.739
You got to keep going. So, you know, her hard
827
00:39:54.780 --> 00:39:57.380
work pays off here at the, towards the end. And
828
00:39:57.420 --> 00:40:00.159
I just, I, I like in this episode, I like
829
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:04.360
the way that they wrote her and also how they,
830
00:40:05.070 --> 00:40:07.250
how they kind of showed us an extended look at
831
00:40:07.309 --> 00:40:11.969
Laura Lindley's guardian character, where they both, do a fantastic
832
00:40:11.989 --> 00:40:14.929
job in this episode for different reasons but in the
833
00:40:15.130 --> 00:40:19.130
after i think constructing the episode they talk about how
834
00:40:19.610 --> 00:40:21.969
lauren lindley it wasn't written in where she kind of
835
00:40:22.449 --> 00:40:26.469
you know has this weird she's very earthly she's very
836
00:40:26.530 --> 00:40:29.219
human in terms of like surface level stuff but there
837
00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:31.960
were little ticks in in her where she kind of
838
00:40:31.980 --> 00:40:34.760
like slightly tilts her head or kind of like looks
839
00:40:34.820 --> 00:40:37.519
weird the showrunners were like we didn't write that in
840
00:40:37.579 --> 00:40:40.690
that was all her And so, like, she's playing this
841
00:40:40.710 --> 00:40:44.230
character and she does a phenomenal job with just kind
842
00:40:44.269 --> 00:40:49.570
of giving you subtle, slight, weird tics from somebody that
843
00:40:50.059 --> 00:40:54.039
you can tell probably not from Earth and probably not
844
00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:58.480
human or at least very antisocial behavior. So, yeah, I
845
00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:00.880
thought they did a good job of highlighting two women
846
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:04.510
in this episode that did a great job of acting
847
00:41:05.210 --> 00:41:08.110
and taking, you know, what they were given and just
848
00:41:08.150 --> 00:41:10.800
kind of like, taking over the episode i i thoroughly
849
00:41:10.820 --> 00:41:12.679
enjoyed both their performances.
850
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:14.719
Yeah nicole plays the older version but.
851
00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:16.380
Wait hold on yeah i was just i was waiting
852
00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:18.159
for him to finish that once i that was a.
853
00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:21.920
Big deal jasmine cephas jones plays the younger version that's
854
00:41:21.940 --> 00:41:24.079
the main one we see oh okay okay okay.
855
00:41:23.980 --> 00:41:25.699
I was like man she doesn't because the reason and
856
00:41:25.739 --> 00:41:27.099
i really thought that was a big deal was because
857
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:31.329
they tore ign up they tore ign up online because
858
00:41:31.510 --> 00:41:34.969
they posted a picture with john stewart's mom and And
859
00:41:35.889 --> 00:41:38.550
the dad, like the parents, and they put Nicole Ari
860
00:41:38.570 --> 00:41:39.340
Parker underneath it.
861
00:41:39.409 --> 00:41:42.150
And they were like, people were like, journalism's dead. Y'all
862
00:41:42.170 --> 00:41:43.289
got to do your research.
863
00:41:43.670 --> 00:41:45.889
But she is, you know, Nicole Ari Parker is in,
864
00:41:46.250 --> 00:41:47.730
but she's just the older version.
865
00:41:48.369 --> 00:41:49.449
Because I had to do a double take.
866
00:41:49.469 --> 00:41:50.809
I was like, wait a minute, that doesn't look like
867
00:41:50.849 --> 00:41:52.880
her because she has light colored eyes.
868
00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:55.179
And I was like, did they give her contacts? And
869
00:41:55.219 --> 00:41:56.639
I was like, that's not, that's not her.
870
00:41:56.679 --> 00:41:58.800
But it is labeled on IMDb as she's Bernadette, but
871
00:41:58.820 --> 00:42:01.559
she's must be the, we must not have seen her then, right?
872
00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:03.409
Like, is she just the, We haven't seen her.
873
00:42:03.349 --> 00:42:04.570
Yet, huh?
874
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:07.119
I don't know off the top of my head. I
875
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:08.340
don't remember.
876
00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:11.900
I don't think we've seen Nicole Ari Parker's version of.
877
00:42:11.860 --> 00:42:12.579
The mom yet.
878
00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:15.400
Because she must be the older version. Yeah, she's the
879
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:17.010
older version.
880
00:42:17.590 --> 00:42:19.010
That makes more sense. Because I was like, how are
881
00:42:19.030 --> 00:42:20.909
y'all casting two people? Because they're using the same dad.
882
00:42:21.530 --> 00:42:25.530
Yeah, they just add gray hair. Just add some gray hair.
883
00:42:25.610 --> 00:42:25.969
He's fine.
884
00:42:26.630 --> 00:42:27.150
That's funny.
885
00:42:27.500 --> 00:42:29.860
But yeah but jasmine did i.
886
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:32.500
I thought she was a standout from this episode and
887
00:42:32.739 --> 00:42:34.820
like you said jong the writing for for the character
888
00:42:34.860 --> 00:42:38.559
was really really strong uh and then laura lenny adding
889
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:42.389
those elements of the where it's like it's human but
890
00:42:42.409 --> 00:42:45.030
it's not human where it's like we're trying to be
891
00:42:45.110 --> 00:42:48.389
human in these moments but also we don't know exactly
892
00:42:48.429 --> 00:42:51.849
how uh and and also to the the the with
893
00:42:51.869 --> 00:42:56.690
this episode in general the balancing of timelines right you
894
00:42:56.730 --> 00:43:00.679
have the interview happening. You have the mission happening. You
895
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:05.940
have growing up, John, like all these different moments going
896
00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:10.280
through the interview, highlighting different aspects of his life, all
897
00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:13.289
the while balancing all these elements out. I thought the
898
00:43:13.369 --> 00:43:15.429
episode did a really good job and it kept me
899
00:43:15.710 --> 00:43:19.369
engaged throughout. I'd never, I mean, I'm already never like
900
00:43:19.650 --> 00:43:21.989
on my phone during these episodes, but it really made
901
00:43:22.050 --> 00:43:25.050
sure that I'm locked in for something like this because
902
00:43:25.070 --> 00:43:27.449
I of the way they would bounce from timeline to
903
00:43:27.489 --> 00:43:28.389
timeline to timeline.
904
00:43:29.510 --> 00:43:30.909
Yeah. I mean, they do a good job of with
905
00:43:30.949 --> 00:43:35.889
the subtleties like hair, uh, uh, beards, um, and all
906
00:43:35.929 --> 00:43:37.670
kinds of, all that kind of stuff. So, and they,
907
00:43:37.690 --> 00:43:40.530
they've done that since the beginning with house hair. And
908
00:43:40.949 --> 00:43:44.010
before this episode, the only, I mean, John was presented
909
00:43:44.139 --> 00:43:47.019
as very straight laced, very by the books. I mean,
910
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:50.119
he still is, but, but this gives him much more
911
00:43:50.260 --> 00:43:53.719
depth in terms of, um, character and, him wanting crayons
912
00:43:53.739 --> 00:43:57.300
for his birthday and them not giving him crayons, but
913
00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:01.139
a green lantern looked like a home sewn suit or,
914
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:03.039
or at least maybe just a t-shirt or something.
915
00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:05.500
But I told, I told Michael, I do believe he
916
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:07.460
should have got crayons with that suit.
917
00:44:07.500 --> 00:44:10.699
He should have. Yeah, he should have. And, and then
918
00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:16.590
the full circle after he gets dishonorably discharged, he goes
919
00:44:16.610 --> 00:44:18.489
to art school. So I thought, I thought that was
920
00:44:18.510 --> 00:44:20.829
a lovely little thing at the end. And, and I think,
921
00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:26.539
having his mom constantly push him. And then when he
922
00:44:26.659 --> 00:44:31.519
does get dishonorably discharged, you know, he's expecting his mom
923
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:35.260
to be very disappointed, very upset, but she's like, well, get,
924
00:44:35.380 --> 00:44:37.760
get your ass off the couch. I've applied you to
925
00:44:37.780 --> 00:44:40.449
art school. He just had this weird look on his
926
00:44:40.489 --> 00:44:44.429
face and, you know, she, she really does love him and,
927
00:44:44.809 --> 00:44:47.010
and wants the best for him. And I think this was,
928
00:44:47.349 --> 00:44:48.989
this is her way of just being like, this is,
929
00:44:49.369 --> 00:44:51.460
you know, this is what I, you know, I think
930
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:54.800
is the best. And, and I can't find this quote,
931
00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:58.139
but Vanessa Baden, I think that's how you say her name. The,
932
00:44:58.659 --> 00:45:01.719
I think she's one of the writers for Lantern.
933
00:45:01.780 --> 00:45:01.989
Yeah.
934
00:45:02.780 --> 00:45:05.869
In the, in the post credit show, the constructing the episode,
935
00:45:07.090 --> 00:45:09.690
she talks about how like, you know, like this is
936
00:45:10.389 --> 00:45:13.630
parents do their, and I'm paraphrasing here. And I think
937
00:45:13.670 --> 00:45:16.329
she says parents do the best with what they have
938
00:45:16.730 --> 00:45:21.010
in the moment. And, and, and that really like, and
939
00:45:21.090 --> 00:45:24.210
I guess as a parent, that kind of really resonated
940
00:45:24.250 --> 00:45:26.809
with me. And you look back at the stuff that
941
00:45:26.829 --> 00:45:30.929
your parents did, and you can appreciate the upbringing that
942
00:45:30.969 --> 00:45:34.190
you had, and you have to also recognize that in
943
00:45:34.210 --> 00:45:38.500
the moment, I'm the firstborn. I'm sure my parents were terrified.
944
00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:40.719
They didn't know what they were doing. They're first-time parents.
945
00:45:41.239 --> 00:45:42.820
And so you look at that, and you look at
946
00:45:43.139 --> 00:45:47.320
the show, and John, yeah, he's their third, but this
947
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:50.760
is the first time they were intentionally... kind of raising
948
00:45:50.820 --> 00:45:53.610
him the way that, you know, they wanted, they had
949
00:45:53.619 --> 00:45:56.329
a certain goal in mind and they wanted to make
950
00:45:56.389 --> 00:45:59.369
sure he's the Green Lantern. And as they were going
951
00:45:59.409 --> 00:46:01.349
through all this, the training and all that stuff, they
952
00:46:01.389 --> 00:46:05.449
didn't know what they were doing. But their one goal was,
953
00:46:05.849 --> 00:46:08.230
we're raising this kid to where he has no fear.
954
00:46:09.010 --> 00:46:13.019
And they did the best that they could under that circumstance.
955
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:17.239
And when he got to the point where he was
956
00:46:17.300 --> 00:46:20.800
dishonorably discharged, I think, she probably took a step back
957
00:46:20.860 --> 00:46:23.400
and was like, you know, he's done all of this
958
00:46:23.500 --> 00:46:25.869
up to this point. The least I can do is
959
00:46:26.010 --> 00:46:28.610
actually help him with what he really enjoys, which is
960
00:46:28.690 --> 00:46:32.829
drawing and art. And ironically, by that point, John really didn't,
961
00:46:32.849 --> 00:46:35.269
I mean, he enjoyed the art, but I think his
962
00:46:35.489 --> 00:46:38.429
number one goal was like, oh man, I wanted to
963
00:46:38.469 --> 00:46:39.590
be Green Lantern so bad.
964
00:46:39.610 --> 00:46:42.460
All he saw was green. That's the only color he wanted.
965
00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:43.440
Yes.
966
00:46:44.719 --> 00:46:47.369
And really quickly, John, basically, going off what you just
967
00:46:47.389 --> 00:46:49.250
said about the parenting and whatnot, one of my favorite
968
00:46:49.289 --> 00:46:54.050
moments is when they're, they're coming back together and after
969
00:46:54.070 --> 00:46:59.789
Laura Lenny's guardian appears to, to mom and she goes
970
00:46:59.829 --> 00:47:02.820
back to, to John senior and you know, they're having
971
00:47:02.840 --> 00:47:05.800
that discussion in the living room and he looks at
972
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:08.019
her and he says, how do you make a green lantern?
973
00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:11.219
And then I thought that it's a simple question, but
974
00:47:11.260 --> 00:47:13.820
it's a powerful one because yeah, these parents are thrown
975
00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:17.199
into the situation where, uh, if we're going to train
976
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:19.639
him to do this and have the opportunity that I
977
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:22.860
didn't have, how do you go about this? This is
978
00:47:22.900 --> 00:47:26.079
the first time we're even like, this is an insane
979
00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:29.380
level of things that we're, we're being asked to, to
980
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:31.780
do or want to do for our son to have
981
00:47:31.820 --> 00:47:35.639
a better life and have this opportunity. And they say,
982
00:47:35.820 --> 00:47:37.710
say it as much, he's going to hate us. So
983
00:47:37.750 --> 00:47:40.170
be it. Like it's just a powerful moment that I
984
00:47:40.389 --> 00:47:43.550
really thought was well executed by, by the writers and
985
00:47:43.769 --> 00:47:44.849
the both actors.
986
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:46.920
I thought you said John Cena at first.
987
00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:51.380
John Senior. Senior. I got to work on my enunciation.
988
00:47:51.420 --> 00:47:55.869
I'm sorry. You can see him. We saw him the
989
00:47:55.909 --> 00:47:56.610
entire episode.
990
00:47:57.769 --> 00:47:59.369
John, you weren't here earlier, but I wanted to get
991
00:47:59.389 --> 00:48:01.929
your interpretation of this part that I asked Michael. So
992
00:48:02.210 --> 00:48:04.090
at the very end, whenever Hal's like, good, because I
993
00:48:04.110 --> 00:48:06.349
didn't want to protege anyway or blah, blah, no sidekick,
994
00:48:06.369 --> 00:48:08.429
none of that over my dead body. And he turns
995
00:48:08.469 --> 00:48:10.980
around right before he's about to take flight. He makes
996
00:48:11.019 --> 00:48:14.679
a face, which was very important to denote whether... A,
997
00:48:14.920 --> 00:48:16.400
he was making a face because he's like, damn, I
998
00:48:16.420 --> 00:48:18.280
didn't want to be a jerk to this nice kid
999
00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:21.230
and his nice family. You know, he seemed like good people.
1000
00:48:21.309 --> 00:48:23.690
Or was it B, like, man, I really didn't want
1001
00:48:23.710 --> 00:48:25.690
this guy. You know, I really don't want him to
1002
00:48:25.730 --> 00:48:28.550
be my sidekick. Like, was it just a reiteration of
1003
00:48:28.590 --> 00:48:30.250
what he had just said? Or was it like regret
1004
00:48:30.269 --> 00:48:32.929
that he had to come off like a douchebag?
1005
00:48:34.110 --> 00:48:36.300
Man, I took it as he already knew he was
1006
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:39.320
going to be his replacement at that point. I don't know.
1007
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:43.679
Like this... doesn't seem like it's too far from where
1008
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:46.920
we started with them two in episode one.
1009
00:48:47.820 --> 00:48:49.960
Yeah, it's probably the beginning of the two months of
1010
00:48:50.019 --> 00:48:50.500
the training.
1011
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:56.650
Yeah, and obviously within those few months, there's a lot
1012
00:48:56.670 --> 00:49:00.190
of resentment that gets built in and a lot of
1013
00:49:00.269 --> 00:49:06.210
condescending language from Hal Jordan, where he keeps calling him Jr.,
1014
00:49:06.989 --> 00:49:09.619
He keeps calling them Junior. And like, it's a nice
1015
00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:12.760
little dig at, you know, you're, you know, you're the
1016
00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:13.889
little brother.
1017
00:49:13.889 --> 00:49:16.400
Yeah, you're a little bro, like you're below me.
1018
00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:18.000
Yeah, yeah.
1019
00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:21.659
And I'm playing back that look of, from Kyle Chandler. Yeah, that's,
1020
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:24.659
that's like a, that's a resentful look. It's just like,
1021
00:49:25.300 --> 00:49:28.940
that just, just, just, just taste in his, in his
1022
00:49:28.980 --> 00:49:31.530
mouth that, I think he's just resentful at this point.
1023
00:49:31.590 --> 00:49:34.190
No, no, I really thought he was like regretful that
1024
00:49:34.210 --> 00:49:36.809
he just came off like a, like a, like a,
1025
00:49:37.110 --> 00:49:37.730
like a douche.
1026
00:49:37.750 --> 00:49:40.000
Like, I think he was just like, he said it, Like,
1027
00:49:40.019 --> 00:49:41.360
all right, good, because you're not going to get this blah, blah, blah,
1028
00:49:41.380 --> 00:49:42.559
turn around. Like, damn, I didn't want to do it
1029
00:49:42.579 --> 00:49:43.860
to him. Like, he's a nice guy. He hadn't done
1030
00:49:43.900 --> 00:49:45.159
it to me, but oh well.
1031
00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:48.000
No, I think at this point, Hal's already jaded and
1032
00:49:48.019 --> 00:49:51.659
he's not wearing the suit. And he's like old grizzly.
1033
00:49:51.739 --> 00:49:54.019
He's old man Logan at this point. And maybe not
1034
00:49:54.059 --> 00:49:55.280
to that level.
1035
00:49:55.300 --> 00:49:56.719
They called him a silver fox in one of the
1036
00:49:56.739 --> 00:49:58.719
interviews and he ate it up.
1037
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:01.909
And so, yeah, I think he's at that point where
1038
00:50:02.489 --> 00:50:04.849
whatever he can do to get the job done is
1039
00:50:04.909 --> 00:50:08.179
what he's doing at this point. um and yeah i
1040
00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:11.860
just that he's getting reckless and um he's getting to
1041
00:50:11.900 --> 00:50:15.030
that point and i think um you know he's just
1042
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:17.349
uh yeah he doesn't care anymore other than you know
1043
00:50:17.369 --> 00:50:18.170
keeping the oath.
1044
00:50:18.809 --> 00:50:21.789
Well one thing kind of going off that now and
1045
00:50:22.050 --> 00:50:24.070
i didn't think about it when when chalice when you
1046
00:50:24.090 --> 00:50:26.750
brought it up to me earlier one aspect that we
1047
00:50:26.789 --> 00:50:30.989
didn't cover with how is that the guardian reveals to
1048
00:50:31.050 --> 00:50:33.989
john that and he read up on some of this
1049
00:50:34.010 --> 00:50:36.860
stuff so maybe it's more for the audience's purposes But
1050
00:50:37.300 --> 00:50:40.739
we learned that Sinestro killed one of the Guardians. He
1051
00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:44.619
went rogue. Hal, of course, goes, gets him, stops him.
1052
00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:49.130
But he was a father figure to Hal Jordan. And
1053
00:50:49.170 --> 00:50:52.150
that probably messed up Hal Jordan in a lot of ways.
1054
00:50:52.210 --> 00:50:54.190
We don't know the full extent, at least, of this
1055
00:50:54.250 --> 00:50:57.429
version's origins. But we know that he looked up to
1056
00:50:57.489 --> 00:51:01.429
Sinestro in a big, big way. And I think it's
1057
00:51:01.449 --> 00:51:03.219
John who says, we love the people who raised us,
1058
00:51:03.380 --> 00:51:04.239
even if they're crazy.
1059
00:51:04.900 --> 00:51:05.650
So....
1060
00:51:06.730 --> 00:51:09.829
Taking into account the Sinestro aspect to it and his
1061
00:51:10.110 --> 00:51:14.420
own training, does that play into maybe that face that
1062
00:51:14.460 --> 00:51:16.820
he makes at the end of it because of what
1063
00:51:16.860 --> 00:51:20.199
he possibly experienced? We don't know how long ago that was.
1064
00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:24.099
Doesn't seem like it may have been that long. But
1065
00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:26.579
how does that play into that moment of him going,
1066
00:51:27.030 --> 00:51:27.739
you know, that face?
1067
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:29.849
That's a good question.
1068
00:51:29.909 --> 00:51:33.409
Yeah, yeah. And in the preview for the next episode,
1069
00:51:33.429 --> 00:51:37.190
you can still see that Sinestro still has something over Hal.
1070
00:51:38.699 --> 00:51:41.730
And it almost... They made it seem like they were
1071
00:51:41.789 --> 00:51:46.170
going to conspire. And I guess... I don't think it's
1072
00:51:46.210 --> 00:51:48.449
going to happen, but I think it makes it seem
1073
00:51:48.489 --> 00:51:51.650
like that might be on his mind to maybe get
1074
00:51:52.789 --> 00:51:57.530
free Sinestro. But that kind of puts... They put that
1075
00:51:57.590 --> 00:52:00.619
in the episode to where maybe it looks like Hal's
1076
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:03.559
thinking about it, but I don't think he will. But yeah,
1077
00:52:03.619 --> 00:52:07.739
I think Sinestro... being a father figure to Hal and
1078
00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:09.940
having this hold over him, it makes a lot of sense.
1079
00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:11.960
Yeah, what do you think, Shalise?
1080
00:52:12.099 --> 00:52:15.239
Does it play a bit into that little face that
1081
00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:15.940
he makes, you think?
1082
00:52:17.110 --> 00:52:20.289
Yeah, I think so, too, because also, I was also thinking, like,
1083
00:52:20.769 --> 00:52:22.530
if he's already had that conversation to where it's like, hey,
1084
00:52:22.590 --> 00:52:25.309
I gotta take out whoever my, I was also thinking that, yeah,
1085
00:52:25.329 --> 00:52:26.809
he has to take out whoever his protege is and
1086
00:52:26.829 --> 00:52:28.409
he meets him, maybe he's hoping there's gonna be some
1087
00:52:29.090 --> 00:52:31.780
like overly excited, cocky dude that's ready to take over.
1088
00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:33.119
And he meets him and he's like, hey, he comes
1089
00:52:33.139 --> 00:52:35.980
from a good family. Like he's a good guy. Like, God,
1090
00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:37.400
I don't, I hate that it has to be him,
1091
00:52:37.460 --> 00:52:39.519
but so be it. Kind of puts them both in
1092
00:52:39.539 --> 00:52:41.679
the same position. Like, man, I got to do what
1093
00:52:41.699 --> 00:52:43.860
I got to do, regardless of how, you know, how
1094
00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:47.989
this person or how we're building our relationship. So yeah,
1095
00:52:48.050 --> 00:52:50.670
I think I'm kind of, I think this kind of
1096
00:52:50.710 --> 00:52:52.429
complicated things a little bit more for me when it
1097
00:52:52.469 --> 00:52:52.809
comes to this.
1098
00:52:52.949 --> 00:52:54.150
It was a great episode of TV.
1099
00:52:54.190 --> 00:52:56.110
What I can say, I very much appreciate about this
1100
00:52:56.130 --> 00:52:59.429
series that every episode was, while it does play off
1101
00:52:59.510 --> 00:53:02.150
of some of the things before it's each of them,
1102
00:53:02.190 --> 00:53:05.329
each of them are their own little movie, their own little,
1103
00:53:05.369 --> 00:53:07.090
like they have their own things that are developing in
1104
00:53:07.150 --> 00:53:09.079
each one versus a show that kind of plays so
1105
00:53:09.139 --> 00:53:11.820
much on the last episode. Cause this episode really didn't
1106
00:53:11.860 --> 00:53:14.159
have much to do with the others. Like it was like,
1107
00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:16.340
it gives you the backstory, which we very much needed.
1108
00:53:16.760 --> 00:53:18.380
I'm grateful that we got it. But that's one thing
1109
00:53:18.420 --> 00:53:20.320
I do love about this show is that it plays
1110
00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:23.440
each one of them plays like, Hey, we're, constantly pouring
1111
00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:24.219
into the plot.
1112
00:53:24.239 --> 00:53:26.480
Cause sometimes there's filler episodes.
1113
00:53:26.539 --> 00:53:28.820
And now that we're in this wave of, Hey, shows
1114
00:53:28.900 --> 00:53:31.360
are only going to have like nine to 11 or
1115
00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:34.199
12 episodes. You got to make sure that you're really, um,
1116
00:53:34.780 --> 00:53:36.420
that you're, you're really packing in as much as you
1117
00:53:36.460 --> 00:53:37.599
can without overloading.
1118
00:53:37.940 --> 00:53:39.320
And they're doing a great job with this.
1119
00:53:39.340 --> 00:53:42.329
Cause I feel like if you never touched John's backstory
1120
00:53:42.409 --> 00:53:44.289
ever again, after this episode, we'd be good.
1121
00:53:45.670 --> 00:53:45.909
You know?
1122
00:53:46.050 --> 00:53:49.110
Cause you understand where, where he's coming from now. And yeah.
1123
00:53:49.489 --> 00:53:52.090
And, and I think the show does a phenomenal job of,
1124
00:53:52.530 --> 00:53:55.429
of doing... Well, one, the writing's been just very, very
1125
00:53:55.449 --> 00:54:00.690
good so far. That's why I do appreciate the comparisons
1126
00:54:00.710 --> 00:54:03.030
to Watchmen, because it is a show where I have
1127
00:54:03.070 --> 00:54:03.969
to be locked in.
1128
00:54:04.570 --> 00:54:05.250
It's not a show.
1129
00:54:05.409 --> 00:54:08.510
I had this thought when I was watching the episode,
1130
00:54:08.530 --> 00:54:11.969
because I also started watching Reacher season four not too
1131
00:54:12.010 --> 00:54:16.360
long ago, and there's a moment where, in one of
1132
00:54:16.380 --> 00:54:19.079
the episodes, where Reacher and the group of people that
1133
00:54:19.099 --> 00:54:19.739
he's with.
1134
00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:20.500
Are in this.
1135
00:54:22.369 --> 00:54:25.829
House or warehouse whatever and the power goes off and
1136
00:54:25.889 --> 00:54:28.530
one of the characters go oh no the power went
1137
00:54:28.610 --> 00:54:30.949
out and it's like i don't think we needed that
1138
00:54:30.989 --> 00:54:34.750
writing right there and where shows can tend to treat
1139
00:54:34.829 --> 00:54:37.690
your audience as dumb or not paying attention this show
1140
00:54:37.889 --> 00:54:41.389
does not do that and it it's it's laying these
1141
00:54:41.449 --> 00:54:45.250
complex elements while at the same time like like you
1142
00:54:45.289 --> 00:54:48.469
said jong and you or you said chalice it's not
1143
00:54:48.489 --> 00:54:51.920
necessarily pulling exactly or directly from the last episode But
1144
00:54:51.940 --> 00:54:54.239
it also changes the way we think about the first
1145
00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:57.829
two episodes because we get a better understanding of why
1146
00:54:58.469 --> 00:55:02.190
of all things did John pick a bird to appear
1147
00:55:02.489 --> 00:55:09.420
in episode two? Why does he feel so stoic in
1148
00:55:09.460 --> 00:55:12.039
a lot of ways? It adds so many layers to
1149
00:55:12.119 --> 00:55:15.579
these characters. And again, if you focus on characters, a
1150
00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:19.739
show can elevate so much more rather than focus on
1151
00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:23.780
on something that's like nonsensical or doesn't really add much,
1152
00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:26.059
or like you said, she'll at least fill her episode.
1153
00:55:26.840 --> 00:55:27.019
Yeah.
1154
00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:30.860
And we know now why he picked the bird. Uh, and, and, and,
1155
00:55:31.019 --> 00:55:33.909
and to your, uh, and to your point, Michael, they
1156
00:55:33.949 --> 00:55:36.230
don't spell it out for us why he picked the bird.
1157
00:55:36.250 --> 00:55:36.769
Right. Right.
1158
00:55:36.829 --> 00:55:38.730
Or at least from what I took, it was like,
1159
00:55:38.769 --> 00:55:41.829
he picked the bird because his mom was very, uh,
1160
00:55:42.289 --> 00:55:44.030
she was talking about birds all the time and how
1161
00:55:44.050 --> 00:55:48.349
the guardians are using the birds to watch them. And, um, and,
1162
00:55:48.570 --> 00:55:51.550
and it, It also, like, the show also makes you
1163
00:55:51.590 --> 00:55:54.739
kind of like, oh, is that bird really a watcher
1164
00:55:54.760 --> 00:55:57.320
for the Guardians? Is it not? They don't really come
1165
00:55:57.360 --> 00:56:01.320
out and tell you. And I took it as, yes,
1166
00:56:01.360 --> 00:56:03.440
they use the birds to watch them because they all,
1167
00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:06.179
at the end, kind of, the guy also goes, yeah,
1168
00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:08.360
we've been watching you kind of thing. And so, like,
1169
00:56:08.380 --> 00:56:12.300
I think the birds have a very big significance with John,
1170
00:56:13.300 --> 00:56:15.219
you know, leading up to that point. And also, like,
1171
00:56:15.500 --> 00:56:18.340
I'm sure, like, his mom... Since she's brought that up,
1172
00:56:18.380 --> 00:56:20.469
they've been watching all the stuff. He saw her with
1173
00:56:20.510 --> 00:56:23.309
her trying to communicate with them and how she's saying
1174
00:56:23.510 --> 00:56:25.570
the birds are watching. I think that's been a big
1175
00:56:25.610 --> 00:56:27.610
part of his life. And he's probably been looking out
1176
00:56:27.630 --> 00:56:30.690
for a lot of birds. So subconsciously, I would imagine
1177
00:56:30.730 --> 00:56:33.969
that's why the construct was a bird.
1178
00:56:34.389 --> 00:56:36.130
I like how he says, I think he likes me
1179
00:56:36.210 --> 00:56:37.699
to the one bird at the very end.
1180
00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:38.699
It's so good.
1181
00:56:39.039 --> 00:56:40.900
Yeah, especially because it gave a little bit of personality
1182
00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:42.539
because we've known him to be really dry.
1183
00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:44.099
This whole time. So I thought that was a good touch.
1184
00:56:44.139 --> 00:56:45.280
And I do like the callbacks.
1185
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:48.940
I love a good callback because it's a little nugget
1186
00:56:48.980 --> 00:56:51.449
for people who are paying attention. So if you miss
1187
00:56:51.469 --> 00:56:53.530
an episode, you wouldn't have gotten it, like things like that.
1188
00:56:53.570 --> 00:56:55.769
But I know I tore, I wouldn't say tore him apart,
1189
00:56:55.789 --> 00:56:58.530
but I definitely nitpicked it. Why was it a bird?
1190
00:56:58.550 --> 00:57:00.969
Because in the first one or the second episode?
1191
00:57:01.010 --> 00:57:02.150
Yeah, second episode, yeah.
1192
00:57:02.389 --> 00:57:03.949
Yeah, second episode, it gave me Disney.
1193
00:57:04.329 --> 00:57:06.329
Whenever that bird was following him around the whole time,
1194
00:57:06.389 --> 00:57:08.050
I get the point of like, well, hey, like they're
1195
00:57:08.070 --> 00:57:10.570
showing how powerful he is because he's making it do X, Y,
1196
00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:12.949
and Z, but for me, I was like, okay, this
1197
00:57:13.010 --> 00:57:16.090
is giving Disney, like, it's giving Snow White, but now
1198
00:57:16.130 --> 00:57:17.409
it makes a little bit more sense.
1199
00:57:17.719 --> 00:57:18.579
Yeah, it does.
1200
00:57:18.699 --> 00:57:21.800
It adds a new layer to that, which is one
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of the things why I appreciate shows like this, because
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00:57:24.360 --> 00:57:27.460
on a rewatch, it changes your perspective on things, right? Like,
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00:57:28.179 --> 00:57:32.590
it now changes the way I view these episodes, and
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00:57:32.610 --> 00:57:35.110
I love when a show is able to do that.
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00:57:35.809 --> 00:57:36.650
I think it's a smart thing.
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00:57:36.670 --> 00:57:40.230
And then also just how he's, able to craft things
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00:57:40.250 --> 00:57:42.570
like he crafted the watch and he's going to be
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00:57:42.610 --> 00:57:45.690
powerful once he gets that ring on. It's just this establishment,
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00:57:45.789 --> 00:57:47.590
almost like this, the whole season is going to be
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00:57:48.090 --> 00:57:51.289
basically the origin story more so of Jon Stewart, if anything.
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00:57:51.829 --> 00:57:52.110
Yeah.
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And even though this isn't like a Jon, Jon in
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00:57:55.210 --> 00:57:58.110
the comics doesn't have a proper origin story. And so
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00:57:58.159 --> 00:58:02.039
I think they took a, a very big and great
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00:58:02.340 --> 00:58:07.219
job of establishing a origin story for Jon Stewart. And,
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00:58:07.460 --> 00:58:10.590
and hell like, The comics might go back and use
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this as a jumping off point for, you know, a
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00:58:14.539 --> 00:58:18.219
proper origin story for if they ever redo, you know,
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00:58:18.239 --> 00:58:21.539
a Green Lantern, Jon Stewart storyline, they might use this,
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00:58:21.940 --> 00:58:25.739
which have, you know, we've seen comics kind of use
1221
00:58:26.239 --> 00:58:30.489
the media, the TV and film medium before to kind
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00:58:30.530 --> 00:58:32.949
of read the retcon stuff and like that too. So
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00:58:33.550 --> 00:58:38.570
thinking mostly MCU stuff. But with the whole Jon Stewart storyline,
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00:58:38.829 --> 00:58:41.949
I really do enjoy how they've kind of given him
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00:58:42.010 --> 00:58:45.510
the proper thing. And in the comics, Jon is a very...
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00:58:46.030 --> 00:58:49.570
Jon can construct... There has been instances in the past
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00:58:50.170 --> 00:58:53.849
where Jon didn't need the ring to construct stuff. And
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00:58:53.909 --> 00:58:57.929
so he is a very, very powerful Green Lantern, and
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00:58:57.969 --> 00:59:02.170
he will be, which is why his father was chosen,
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00:59:02.230 --> 00:59:04.719
because they could see the potential in him. And now
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00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:09.230
John is, is now becoming this, you know, the trainee
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00:59:09.690 --> 00:59:11.400
and he's going to be a great green lantern so
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00:59:11.940 --> 00:59:14.340
um yeah i mean you know this is one of
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00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:18.500
the reasons why people love him and he's considered by
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00:59:18.519 --> 00:59:21.400
a lot of people their favorite uh favorite green lantern
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00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:23.579
and why he's been green lantern for so long and
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00:59:23.619 --> 00:59:26.239
like the animated stuff and yeah the comic books and
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00:59:26.280 --> 00:59:28.639
all that stuff so people people really like uh john
1239
00:59:28.719 --> 00:59:31.539
john stewart so Yeah, he's going to be very powerful.
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00:59:32.179 --> 00:59:34.900
Growing up on Justice League, Justice League Unlimited and all that,
1241
00:59:35.659 --> 00:59:38.500
Jon Stewart's my Green Lantern, more so than Hal Jordan.
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00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:41.190
So I appreciate the show and adding so many layers
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00:59:41.250 --> 00:59:44.809
to it. One other thing on the bird angle, I
1244
00:59:44.869 --> 00:59:48.929
like that they show the parents, we've talked about it
1245
00:59:48.949 --> 00:59:51.869
throughout this issue, how.
1246
00:59:51.650 --> 00:59:53.110
They really don't know what they're doing.
1247
00:59:53.489 --> 00:59:54.760
They know what they're doing, but they don't know what
1248
00:59:54.780 --> 00:59:56.480
they're doing because this is Green Lantern. How am I
1249
00:59:56.679 --> 00:59:59.260
going to make a Green Lantern? But they also... have
1250
00:59:59.300 --> 01:00:02.579
these little instances where they show that, yeah, they're unsure
1251
01:00:02.619 --> 01:00:05.059
about what they're doing. And they even show the crisis
1252
01:00:05.099 --> 01:00:07.380
of faith that I think the mom has when she's
1253
01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:10.960
like desperately trying to reach out to, to the guardians.
1254
01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:14.590
Like it's a little subtle things like this, the giant
1255
01:00:14.619 --> 01:00:16.489
satellite dish. It's like, why do they have a giant
1256
01:00:16.510 --> 01:00:18.389
satellite dish? It's because they're trying to build a way
1257
01:00:18.429 --> 01:00:23.070
to communicate, communicate to the guardians because they're unsure if
1258
01:00:23.110 --> 01:00:25.550
they're actually watching all this. Like, are they doing all
1259
01:00:25.590 --> 01:00:31.780
these things for nothing? And, While they all have, in
1260
01:00:31.840 --> 01:00:36.389
some moments, crises of faith, they eventually go past them
1261
01:00:36.469 --> 01:00:38.829
to go back to their ultimate goal of making John
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01:00:38.989 --> 01:00:41.610
a Green Lantern. I thought just those little elements added
1263
01:00:41.710 --> 01:00:43.730
a lot, even being so small.
1264
01:00:44.670 --> 01:00:47.750
Even her conveniently saying about the bird, because obviously we
1265
01:00:47.769 --> 01:00:49.110
knew at that time that they weren't watching when she
1266
01:00:49.130 --> 01:00:51.530
was like, see, I guess they were paying attention after all,
1267
01:00:51.550 --> 01:00:54.210
something like that, right? Like whenever the bird kind of
1268
01:00:54.230 --> 01:00:55.929
just happens to be there on the garage.
1269
01:00:56.030 --> 01:00:56.550
Right, right.
1270
01:00:56.739 --> 01:00:58.230
And she says that to him, and it was like, yeah,
1271
01:00:58.250 --> 01:01:00.030
but they're not watching. So she just happened to lie
1272
01:01:00.050 --> 01:01:00.909
to him right in the moment.
1273
01:01:00.929 --> 01:01:01.989
The bird just got lucky.
1274
01:01:03.389 --> 01:01:04.030
Lucky bird.
1275
01:01:04.050 --> 01:01:08.090
Yeah, that worked with her story very well.
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01:01:09.510 --> 01:01:12.489
And one other thing, because we're going to wrap up
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01:01:12.510 --> 01:01:14.210
here in a second, but one other thing that I
1278
01:01:14.250 --> 01:01:18.710
do want to mention. I like that the show is showcased.
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01:01:19.389 --> 01:01:21.170
When we talk about DC characters, a lot of times
1280
01:01:21.210 --> 01:01:23.429
we think of them as more mythical figures.
1281
01:01:24.630 --> 01:01:25.610
I like that the show is.
1282
01:01:27.159 --> 01:01:31.860
Making the Green Lanterns, Jon Stewart, Hal Jordan, be people
1283
01:01:31.880 --> 01:01:35.579
you could relate to, more flawed, regular people, not these
1284
01:01:35.659 --> 01:01:39.280
mythic figures that are godlike or anything like that. These
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01:01:39.409 --> 01:01:41.260
are people that have been.
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01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:42.170
Those family and histories.
1287
01:01:42.269 --> 01:01:43.289
Yeah, exactly.
1288
01:01:43.429 --> 01:01:45.349
I like what the show is doing to bring it
1289
01:01:45.610 --> 01:01:50.090
back to... A lot of times we describe Marvel as people,
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01:01:50.210 --> 01:01:53.849
flawed human beings with powers. This feels more akin to
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01:01:53.889 --> 01:01:55.510
something like that, which I appreciate a lot.
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01:01:56.469 --> 01:01:56.670
Yeah.
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01:01:57.010 --> 01:02:01.980
And, you know, sometimes DC doesn't offer that for a
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01:02:02.019 --> 01:02:04.340
lot of its characters. And I'm glad that they... And
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01:02:04.360 --> 01:02:06.539
I'm with you guys there. I'm glad that they are
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01:02:06.599 --> 01:02:12.420
spending this time to tell something proper. And I don't necessarily...
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01:02:12.119 --> 01:02:14.480
I don't think we need that with Hal. But I
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01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:18.690
think John was somebody that I think... It was very
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01:02:18.750 --> 01:02:23.070
necessary to get this perspective of how John grew up.
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01:02:23.090 --> 01:02:26.460
Because I think, you know, we can... kind of piece
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01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:29.840
together why Hal is the way that he is. And
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01:02:29.860 --> 01:02:33.150
I don't think we necessarily need a, like, you know,
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01:02:33.869 --> 01:02:36.510
need something that to show us why he became what
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01:02:36.570 --> 01:02:39.559
it is, what he is. So like, I think, um, yeah, I,
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01:02:39.949 --> 01:02:43.610
I fully expect next episode to be pretty action heavy.
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01:02:44.349 --> 01:02:47.989
Do y'all, yeah, I was, you, you saying that, John, I,
1307
01:02:49.380 --> 01:02:51.500
I mentioned it earlier. I like, I get why you
1308
01:02:51.559 --> 01:02:54.079
don't necessarily need a Hal Jordan, like full on origin
1309
01:02:54.119 --> 01:02:55.500
because there's plenty of that.
1310
01:02:55.849 --> 01:02:56.309
Going around.
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01:02:57.769 --> 01:03:00.409
But it makes sense why you do this with Jon Stewart.
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01:03:00.809 --> 01:03:04.230
But do we get maybe in this, maybe even in
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01:03:04.269 --> 01:03:07.489
this next episode, a little bit of, not necessarily a
1314
01:03:07.510 --> 01:03:10.730
full flashback like this episode, but a little bit understanding
1315
01:03:10.849 --> 01:03:14.699
of why Hal looks to Sinestro in the ways that
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01:03:14.739 --> 01:03:15.039
he does.
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01:03:15.559 --> 01:03:16.960
That's exactly what I was going to say.
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01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:19.900
I was going to say literally that I wanted, I
1319
01:03:20.099 --> 01:03:24.000
don't think I need a full backstory on Hal's how
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01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:26.719
he was chosen in all his life because I don't
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01:03:26.739 --> 01:03:28.340
think it's going to add to the story. I think
1322
01:03:28.380 --> 01:03:30.280
we really want to know why John was so cold,
1323
01:03:30.320 --> 01:03:31.980
why he was the way he was, why they gave
1324
01:03:32.019 --> 01:03:34.559
us that intro in the very beginning where he's watching
1325
01:03:34.579 --> 01:03:36.780
that TV, he's seeing Hal on there, his dad comes
1326
01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:38.909
in and they have to turn it off. So we
1327
01:03:38.929 --> 01:03:40.949
needed that explanation because that was kind of a lot
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01:03:40.969 --> 01:03:44.710
to process not knowing. But I 100% think they have
1329
01:03:44.750 --> 01:03:47.789
to show us some kind of background or backstory about
1330
01:03:48.250 --> 01:03:50.610
how Hal and Sinestro have history.
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01:03:50.989 --> 01:03:51.530
That is 100% necessary.
1332
01:03:53.119 --> 01:03:56.219
Yes, I fully agree with that, and I think we're
1333
01:03:56.239 --> 01:04:01.760
going to get it. We'll probably get what happened to Sinestro,
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01:04:02.039 --> 01:04:06.639
and I would imagine Hal making the stop, and we'll
1335
01:04:06.659 --> 01:04:12.550
probably see Sinestro as the Green Lantern, and basically why
1336
01:04:13.219 --> 01:04:14.030
and what happened.
1337
01:04:14.670 --> 01:04:18.110
And we also needed this episode too, because why would
1338
01:04:18.130 --> 01:04:21.869
the Guardians, why would they let the ring choose Hal
1339
01:04:22.579 --> 01:04:25.679
but now they're doing interviews and whatnot. Like, what's happening?
1340
01:04:25.900 --> 01:04:27.699
And you get a little bit of that understanding when
1341
01:04:27.969 --> 01:04:31.070
Laura Linney's Guardian kind of lays out what Sinestro did.
1342
01:04:31.949 --> 01:04:34.230
We're seeing the things start to flow, so it makes
1343
01:04:34.289 --> 01:04:36.289
a lot of sense. And excited to see where it
1344
01:04:36.329 --> 01:04:38.690
goes next episode. Excited to talk to you guys about it.
1345
01:04:38.929 --> 01:04:43.230
Any other points on Lantern's Episode 3 Outcast before we
1346
01:04:43.269 --> 01:04:43.619
wrap up?
1347
01:04:44.909 --> 01:04:47.349
Their pacing is great. And if they keep this up,
1348
01:04:47.409 --> 01:04:49.289
it'll be really good. I'm actually curious to see how
1349
01:04:49.309 --> 01:04:50.730
it's going to lead into Superman.
1350
01:04:50.750 --> 01:04:51.289
Yeah.
1351
01:04:51.900 --> 01:04:52.690
And what they're setting up.
1352
01:04:52.719 --> 01:04:54.960
And if we are going to even get Kyle Chandler
1353
01:04:55.000 --> 01:04:56.940
in there, it doesn't seem like it, but I think
1354
01:04:56.980 --> 01:04:58.739
their pacing is, their pacing is great.
1355
01:04:59.619 --> 01:04:59.760
Yeah.
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01:05:00.610 --> 01:05:03.429
I absolutely love the way that they're handling the show.
1357
01:05:04.269 --> 01:05:08.150
And when they talked about wanting to do a true
1358
01:05:08.190 --> 01:05:12.090
detective type of TV show with the Lantern Corps, I
1359
01:05:12.110 --> 01:05:14.010
was like, Oh, well, are they going to be able
1360
01:05:14.050 --> 01:05:14.719
to pull this off?
1361
01:05:15.050 --> 01:05:19.010
They're pulling it off. It's, it's, it's, it's really good. Yeah,
1362
01:05:19.170 --> 01:05:21.969
they've been nailing that so far. And the pacing, like
1363
01:05:21.989 --> 01:05:24.789
you said, Shalee, it's been a phenomenal show so far.
1364
01:05:24.829 --> 01:05:27.510
So excited to see where it goes. And excited, again,
1365
01:05:27.670 --> 01:05:29.130
to talk about it with you all. But we've got
1366
01:05:29.150 --> 01:05:31.409
to wrap up today's issue of Comic Cast. Thank you
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01:05:31.449 --> 01:05:34.099
all for listening wherever you are. We greatly appreciate it. Again,
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01:05:34.159 --> 01:05:36.059
if you could, leave us a rating or a review.
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01:05:36.500 --> 01:05:38.500
We would appreciate it. Make sure to listen to What
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01:05:38.539 --> 01:05:42.460
to Watch this Friday at 11.30 on ESPN 97.5. So
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01:05:42.579 --> 01:05:44.480
you can maybe win a pair of tickets to go
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01:05:44.539 --> 01:05:48.949
to Tokyo X Fest and listen throughout the rest of September. Shalice,
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01:05:49.570 --> 01:05:52.010
remind people where they can follow you, find your work
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01:05:52.070 --> 01:05:53.650
and find all your videos and content.
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01:05:56.750 --> 01:05:58.429
Or not, you know, whatever you do you.
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01:05:59.269 --> 01:06:03.320
Oh, my God, I was on mute. I'm a real
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movie junkie dot com.
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01:06:04.989 --> 01:06:14.000
My socials are hey, Shalice, H-E-Y-C-H-A-L-I-C-E. And that's on threads, TikTok, Instagram.
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01:06:14.440 --> 01:06:16.519
Same goes for real movie junkie. You can find that
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on socials as well.
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01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:21.639
Awesome. Well, again, thank you, Shalise. Thank you, Jong. We
1382
01:06:21.679 --> 01:06:23.980
will talk to everyone that's listening next week.
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01:06:24.219 --> 01:06:24.500
See you.
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01:06:24.860 --> 01:06:25.139
See you.
1385
01:06:25.159 --> 01:06:28.519
Bye, guys.
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01:06:28.559 --> 01:06:31.139
Hello.
1387
01:06:31.860 --> 01:06:32.679
Hello.
1388
01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:36.550
I'm always doing the craziest things whenever.
1389
01:06:36.269 --> 01:06:37.309
I hop on these calls.
1390
01:06:38.530 --> 01:06:40.250
What are you doing now?
1391
01:06:40.309 --> 01:06:42.269
I'm literally the third time I've talked to y'all is
1392
01:06:42.309 --> 01:06:45.409
when I've been on the line for Starbucks.
1393
01:06:45.429 --> 01:06:46.949
So you're in the line right now?
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01:06:47.369 --> 01:06:47.530
Yes.
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01:06:48.550 --> 01:06:50.300
Jong, are you in line for Starbucks?
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01:06:51.579 --> 01:06:54.980
No.
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01:06:55.880 --> 01:06:59.460
It's because somebody put me on to a drink, and
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01:06:59.539 --> 01:07:01.179
ever since she did that, it's been.
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01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:04.460
Addicting?
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01:07:04.500 --> 01:07:04.820
Yeah.
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01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:07.980
I'm about to order it now. Let me order before we.
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01:07:07.920 --> 01:07:09.019
Get on the Zoom.
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01:07:10.380 --> 01:07:10.659
Okay.
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01:07:10.760 --> 01:07:12.519
An extra brown sugar cold foam.
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01:07:13.300 --> 01:07:13.619
Okay.
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01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:15.340
See how extra this is, Jong?
1407
01:07:15.460 --> 01:07:21.610
And that's it. Oh, they went up on their prices
1408
01:07:21.630 --> 01:07:23.230
because that's not how much it normally.
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01:07:24.989 --> 01:07:29.059
Is. As Michael can relate to somebody that doesn't drink.
1410
01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:32.800
Exactly. Michael, you don't drink? I don't drink.
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01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:34.559
I don't know. That was a Jack and Coke I
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01:07:34.599 --> 01:07:35.519
saw you with at the party.
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01:07:35.659 --> 01:07:37.760
No, it wasn't a Jack and Coke.
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01:07:38.199 --> 01:07:39.340
It was pure Jack.
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01:07:39.559 --> 01:07:41.340
Yeah, get it right, okay?
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01:07:42.119 --> 01:07:43.619
One can say my cap was peeled back.