Issue 663: Lanterns Ep. 2 "Trust Fall" Spoiler Review with Chalice Williams

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I could do this all day.
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No more I can hear That's good.
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Yeah, yeah. No more coughing. So I think I'm in
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the clear.
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Hey, that's a success. I'm glad that you're good. Thanks.
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You're warm. Yeah, yeah.
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It was a very mild version of a sinus infection.
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So yeah, I'm very lucky to only, you know, have
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something like that instead of something, you know, that would
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linger for a couple of weeks.
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But this was only like a week.
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That's good. Hopefully you stay that way for the time being. Now,
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it's not just you and I today, although the third
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of this triumvirate is not here yet because, oh, she's
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so busy doing some kind of press junket for a
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new show. Well, I guess it's not a new show,
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but a season two of The Paper on Peacock. So
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she's busy interviewing people. But Shalise Williams, a real movie junkie,
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will be joining us here shortly to talk all about
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about Lanterns Episode 2, because that's the majority of this
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issue of Comicast. But first, I want to get to
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another DC story. But before we get to any of that,
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Metrics, right?
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keep reviewing us on your podcast apps, we appreciate it.
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And of course, you know, today, a lot of DC
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talk before we get to lanterns, because that's going to
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be the main topic of conversation today. I do want
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to jump to this because this came out on Friday and,
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and that is HBO Max and DC Studios are moving
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forward with their new mockumentary series, now titled The People vs.
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Gorilla Grodd. This is, of course, starring Skylar Pryce, Gizondo of,
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I think that's how you say his name. I apologize, Skylar.
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I'm sure you're listening. He will reprise his role as
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Jimmy Olsen, and Jimmy Tatro is officially set to play
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Gorilla Grodd, and it has been given an eight-episode series order.
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The logline for the show states, a super-intelligent ape is
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convicted of murdering his father, the king of Gorilla City,
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in an eight-part true-crime docuseries entitled The Daily Planet's Jimmy
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Olsen reopens the case investigating whether Gorilla Grodd was wrongly
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convicted in one of Metropolis's most famous murder trials. So
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you have that show in the works. Michaela Hoover as
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Cat Grant, Wendell Pierce as Perry White, along with Beck
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Bennett as Steve Lombard will all be part of the cast.
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and it will include some other names. Just initial thoughts
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on that news about Gorilla Garage, the people versus Gorilla Garage.
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Okay, initial thoughts. I think you'll be fine. There's a
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chance that it'll be actually pretty good. I don't know
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how much time you want to dedicate to this conversation,
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and this might lead into lanterns, but I want to
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bring up the fact that Jimmy Olsen, not a known,
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well-known IP, I would... Safe to say, right? Obviously, he's
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attached to a much, much bigger... One of the biggest
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three IPs in the world in Superman. And so, yeah,
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I'm fine with it. So, here's... And I think it'll
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be fine. I think it'll be fine.
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I think it's... I'll watch it. Here, it leads me
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and I..
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Was thinking about this the other day after the second
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episode of lanterns. And I know, I know James Gunn
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has this roadmap and view of what he wants to
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do with DC. And I know it's, it's supposed to
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be a very long drawn out kind of thing where,
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you know, this iteration or this vision that he has
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is for at least 10 years.
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Here's my thing though. Superman did pretty well.
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I would say at the box office, it, it, I
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think it undershot my expectations of somewhere north of $ 800 million.
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It did okay.
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You know, on par with, I think, a little bit
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better than the Fantastic Four reboots movie, which, you know,
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at the time, I think we were thinking like superhero
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movies around $ 600 to $ 800 million is kind of like
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your new range of what you should be doing, which
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is fine. Supergirl bombed. And you had these TV shows
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lined up. which you know hit and miss with in
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terms of uh viewership uh lanterns is doing fantastic um
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the creature commandos i don't know the numbers on that
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but i can't imagine it being very good and peacemaker
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it was great too my thing is though and i
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know he doesn't want to be compared to marvel but
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you have to kind of look on the other side
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of the aisle and be like okay They've just went
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through their slump and did pretty decent at the box
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office in most of their number in their movies for
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the most part. And their TV shows have been kind
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of hit and miss just like ours. And you look
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over there and they just had their just big announcement
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of the mutants and people are just excited. People are excited.
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People are angry with whichever way, but people are talking.
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And you look on your side of the aisle, the
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latest movie that you launched didn't do well at all,
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although I thought it was a pretty good movie. And
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you still don't have your number one character planned at all.
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Batman is nowhere near to be found. Supposedly, there's a
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casting and he may appear in Clayface, but absolutely nothing
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has been planned other than director who... may or may
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not still be on the project, and a date, and
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a cast for Batman. And you look over at Marvel,
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and they just hit, they're about to hit, I think, what,
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$ 2 billion in Spider-Man?
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Yeah, yeah. Already past $ 2 billion, yeah.
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So my thing is, and this stuff has been planned
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out in advance, but I almost feel like you should
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speed run some of this Batman stuff, because, like, I
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don't know how much longer, I know you're giving carte
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blanche to do whatever, but I don't think that's like,
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it's not once projects begin to fail and fail and
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fail in the box office, like that leash gets tighter
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and tighter and tighter. And I feel like there needs
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to be some kind of announcement that we have a
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Batman or a date to the Batman or come out
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and say, Matt Reeves is Batman is going to be
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like something like there needs to be something. Because you're
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in this period of like, oh, it's very shaky right
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now at DC. And without Lanterns, they're in trouble. And
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Lanterns has been fantastic. I feel like this announcement, he's
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not reading the room.
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Yeah. It's fine.
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I think it'll be a good show, but I also
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feel like there needs to be some kind of process
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of announcing some of your bigger characters here sometime soon.
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Would you throw Wonder Woman into that mix as well?
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I think so.
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I mean, Wonder Woman or Batman, but I think Batman
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needs to come first because that's.
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Your biggest IP.
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That's your biggest IP, and there seems to be almost
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no progress with that.
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Yeah, and Batman's in a weird space, of course, because
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we have the Matt Reeves Batman that's now been pushed
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to 2028, which are we looking at Batman Brave and
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the Bold at like 2029 or something like that? If that, 2030?
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It doesn't feel like Batman Brave and the Bold is
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coming out anytime soon.
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Yeah, and scheduling and script writing and all that stuff,
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I understand it, but something needs to be done. And
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within James Gunn's universe, Batman needs to make some kind
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of appearance or at least announce that the new Batman
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is so-and-so.
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Something needs to happen.
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And I do want to get into more of this
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when we have more time because I said it, I
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think it was last week with, with Raheel or, or
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whoever it was, maybe Brian and Sean, I forget who
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it was exactly, but I said it last week. I
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think the James Gunn video where he announced all the,
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you know, the titles that they were looking at for
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the chapter one of the gods and monster story that
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they were building. I need to do like a, like
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a check now because it feels like most of those
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things are not happening. We had during the wonder man
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announcement of a cancellation, we had, Booster Gold seemingly being
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canceled or not at least moving forward. Paradise Lost, Waller.
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A lot of these things just don't seem to be
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happening anymore. And more and more I feel like you
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should have just played your cards closer to your vest
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and just never said anything because what we were promised is,
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and maybe promise is a strong word, but still what
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we were shown is outside of Superman and Supergirl is
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not really coming to fruition but at least you have
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lanterns right now which is satiating our dc fandom at
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this point but that's it and then we have this
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mockumentary series which i assume i forget if it said
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like 2027 2028 for this thing uh i don't think
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it yeah there's no release window that i can see
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just off a quick skim of the article from last
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week so who knows when this is coming i would
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imagine 2028 so It's going to be a while for
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some of these other characters that are appearing in the DCU.
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But we don't have to wait for Hal Jordan and
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Jon Stewart. They are here currently. And we're here to
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talk about Lanterns Episode 2, Trust Fall. Of course, full
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spoilers ahead if you haven't watched the episode. Tune away
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for the rest of this one because that's what we're
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talking about the rest of the way.
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Spoiler alert.
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Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. You've been warned, I have.
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Uh, John, what did you think of episode two? We
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learned a little bit more about the lore and everything.
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And we also got some little bit of character growth
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between John and Hal, even though they didn't share the
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screen for much of the episode.
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It was good. It was good.
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And like you said, we get to learn a lot
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about some of the other stuff. Like Sinestro is already
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established as an ex-Lantern and he's in prison. And Hal
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put him there. We get a the separation between John
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and Hal. I think it was good in the sense
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that we got to see their personalities a little bit more.
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And then you in.
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This episode, you can see the contrasting personalities between the two.
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You know, it's Hal Jordan, the gunslinger, Brett Favre, I
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guess you would say, of the NFL. And, you know,
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Jon Stewart, it's probably like a Tom Brady. He's more methodical.
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He's more calculated. Earlier in Brady's career, he was always
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about making sure that him and Bill were always on
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the same page. So, like, you know, whichever style that
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you love, I can't fault you for it because they're
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both two all-time greats in terms of the football players.
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But in this, though, I really enjoyed Kyle.
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Chandler being able to let loose and become this Hal
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Jordan that I'm very, very much falling in love with.
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And I did like watching Brett Favre play as a kid,
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aside from the fact that he's a horrible human being.
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Before we learned about all the horrible stuff.
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No, but I love the risks that Hal takes, and
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a lot of them are calculated. He didn't think that
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Macon was going to actually shoot him, even though he
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was dangling the carrot in front of him, shoot me,
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shoot me kind of thing. it reminded me of like
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the rush hour scene was like you know blow up the.
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Bomb or push the button push the button push the
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GD button.
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I mean that's what he was doing on the ranch
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and yeah I actually I love his portrayal of Hal
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Jordan and I know it's a little different than the
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comics but you know you get I think one of
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the things that they've done very well is show that
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they're so opposites. That Hal and John are complete opposites. John,
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mostly like all by the book, more calculated, wants to
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make sure he knows what risks that he's going to
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take and Hal's the complete opposite cowboy kind of thing.
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And the dynamic between him and Sheriff Kane, I think is,
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it was nice to see as well. Kane kind of
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on like the John Stewart kind of route where she's
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more you know, by the book. And she wants to
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make sure that he knows that this is her town,
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that kind of thing. And I like that dynamic a lot.
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And yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed this episode.
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It was a very good episode. I think there's a
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couple of spots that I want to kind of jump
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off of in that. Well, with Kyle Chandler, his portrayal
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of Hal Jordan, it really feels like it's another one
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of those performances from an actor or actress where you
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could tell they're just having... the best time of their
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life right now. And his, his portrayal of how really
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speaks to that in, especially with how he like goes
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about the investigation, right? Because how is, is not one
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to really mince words or do it necessarily completely by
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the book. How's willing to go to the morgue, pull
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out all the bodies and, drag them to the car,
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drive them down the street, do the whole metal detector
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or what turns out to be actually an alien detector
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at the football stadium. Who else is willing to do that?
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I don't know that Jon Stewart's doing that necessarily, at
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least not this version of Jon Stewart currently, but how
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he's had enough of a lot of this stuff. He's
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not willing to put up with a lot of crap.
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And he underestimates things in certain points, like he underestimated
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getting shot in that one moment on Macon's farm or ranch.
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but he's on the right track because something is fishy
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in how they want him to now leave town, desperately
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trying to get him out of town. And the red
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flags are major red flags throughout this episode about the
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town in general with how empty it all feels, especially
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with like the hospital when he wakes up and they're
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walking around the hospital. Where is everybody? Like there's a
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lot of weird things. It's a small town, but it
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ain't that small.
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Yeah, and everything looked like it was, like he was saying,
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like it looks brand new. It looks like it was
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just put up there just because Hal was in the hospital.
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Just kind of show that, you know, it has some
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stuff in it. And Hal's the kid that loves to
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tinker with the stuff. He's the one that, you know,
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him going through the metal detector near the beginning of
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the episode and not going off. You know, a regular
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person would probably just take one, like, thing that you
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know would set the metal detector off. But this man,
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beams and beams and beams, like overkill. And he dragged
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it and put it in between the metal scepter and
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nothing went off. He's like, now I know for sure.
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I know for sure that this doesn't detect metal. And
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like you said, you're talking about him dragging three dead
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bodies in the backseat of the car that was rented
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out by Jon Stewart.
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Mm-hmm.
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With alien blood all over the backseat.
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And he's just, he has one, he has a one
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track mind and he just wants to kind of get
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this thing solved. And he does, you know, does it
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with any means necessary and disregards a lot of the rules.
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And yeah, it's very fun to see him on screen.
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And in that behind the episode thing at the end,
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the very end of the show, you could tell aaron
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pierre and cal cal jordan uh kyle chandler are having
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a blast on set because once aaron pierre saw the
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actual lantern ensued he was like where's kyle where's kyle
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i was like man this is like they're having a
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really good time and and it shows and their chemistry
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is like really good even though uh you don't see
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them on screen a lot together you could the small
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conversations that you they have together man they're so good together.
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Yeah, they really are. And that, that moment in the
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after episode is what I was thinking of when I
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was saying about having a great time because it really
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speaks to that. Like it just, you could feel that
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come through on camera. And then we also learn a
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bit about like how's living situation, you know, how at
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this point before I get into the living situation, that's
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what I was going to say was he feels like,
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you know, there are people that have worked at a
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place for a very long time and, at first they
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do everything by the book, do all the good things
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and all that. But then once you get into year, whatever,
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they're like, I've had it. I'm going to do things
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my way. I'm going to do whatever it can. And
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that's what Hal feels like. He's like, I'm just going
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to do whatever. And it's ripping off bumpers or taking
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alien bodies or doing whatever the case, not really like
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he cares, but he like, it, I don't know. It's
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a weird state that he's in because while he cares
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about stuff, he also doesn't really plan out things very
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well because you probably should have had the lantern with
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you to recharge your, your ring and, And not forget
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to have it where it's like basically on desperately saying,
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you only got like a little bit of power left
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before it runs out and you fall.
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Yeah, and he bangs it on the car, the hood
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of the car, and he gets like 5% back.
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That's how you do it.
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And even with that, he's the guy that goes to
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sleep not charging his phone.
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Yes, 100%.
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5%, and he's still using that thing to its full max.
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He's like flying around and then... Of course, the ring
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runs out of juice and he just collapses. You know,
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the smart thing to do is probably just walk around
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or drive.
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Nah, I gotta fly, man. I gotta fly.
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And also how he enters when he's flying and falls
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and all that, and he figures out where everybody's at.
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And as soon as he walks in, he's like, y'all
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talking about me? Y'all were talking about me. And it
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just makes the biggest show and spectacle out of everything.
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And When they get called out, the husband of Carrie
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is talking to Hal, and they get called out, and
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he's like, he started talking to me first. When she says, honey,
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they both respond. It's just so funny.
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Doesn't it feel like Hal and Carrie Kane fit together
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better than her and Billy?
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100%, yes.
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Way more chemistry.
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Yeah, even though they just met. Something must have happened
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in their.
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Marriage to where they don't even interact that much in
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the show in the first two episodes.
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And so something must have happened.
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I feel like something must have happened to where there
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was a big rift between the two. And it could
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be William that drove that wedge between the two. And
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then Billy finding himself in the middle of something that
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happened with Carrie and William, so.
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Who knows?
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But there's definitely something there.
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I think you're right on that because I did want
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to mention when you were saying earlier about how she's
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fed up and she wants control of things. I think
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a lot of that has to do with the husband
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and dad. They feel like they control the town. And
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while she's supposed to be the sheriff, it feels like
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they're calling the shots when she should have some more
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power than she does.
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Yeah, and I think that's one of the reasons why
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she was like, I'll take you to him kind of thing.
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Just kind of trying to maybe play peacemaker a little bit,
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but also trying to reassert herself and gain a little
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bit of more authority, which obviously doesn't work because, you know,
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Hal's a lunatic and William is definitely flexing his guns
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there on the ranch. So I love the micro aspects
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and relationships of the show and the macro part of
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this entire alien invasion kind of thing is, is really fascinating.
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And then them in confirming that man hunters are actually
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on earth. So that's another huge thing that, uh, we
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get a confirmation on.
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I want to go there here in a second. And I,
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and I want to go, I want to mention one
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other thing before we get to that. But first we
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have someone joining the podcast right now, live joining us
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during our discussion about lanterns. And that's Shalise Williams, a
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real movie junkie. Shalise, how are you?
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Hello.
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Thanks for having me.
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I feel honored that you take your time out on
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doing your actual job to just come on and just
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talk to us because I feel really, really honored.
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It was from one Zoom to the other. It was
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doing interviews for The Paper season two.
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I know that show. I watched season one.
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Sorry to derail the conversation a little bit, but how
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is that show? It's a It's one of those where
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I'm like, oh, should I start this?
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And I haven't started yet. It's funny.
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And I'll say I didn't watch the first season until
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I got assigned this.
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And I was like, okay, I'll check it out. And
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it's hilarious.
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And I took my time to make sure I let
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each one of them know, like, hey, I know that
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there was some like, you know, conversation when this initially,
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you know, people were very protective of The Office. So
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I understand that. But this is one of those shows
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you got to give it. You have to give it
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a chance because once you started, it's it's funny. And
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it's so I would say it's rightfully different than The Office.
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I enjoy it a lot.
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I mean, they're not long episodes and they're not like
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back when shows were like 20 episodes long.
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You know, this is just 10 episodes.
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10 episodes each season, it's definitely worth it.
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It is an easy watch. I went into it having
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limited expectations about it, but it surprised me. It's actually
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pretty funny, and I enjoyed it and looking forward to
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season two.
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And then ironically, as journalists, you have to break news
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and time and things like that.
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There are some pieces in the show that deal with that.
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But as we're on the hospitality, in the hospitality room,
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some guy just goes, I think Dolly Parton just died.
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And we were like, oh, my God. And this all
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happened in real time. Like, you have journalists that have
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to jump off because they're on the news. So they
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have to, like, go break the story. Like, it was
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ironic that that happened during the hospitality for this particular show.
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Right.
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The paper of all of all shows.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Sad, sad news.
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Yeah.
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We just I was telling John that we just the
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news came through about Dolly Parton. I have no transition.
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So I'll just jump back to, I have no positive
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transition on this. Shalise, before we get to you, I
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do want to jump back on something that Jong had
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just said. We were talking about Sheriff Carrie in this
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latest episode of Lantern season two, episode two. And there's
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one aspect that we got a reveal of in that
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she says she's from Gotham. But there's another aspect that
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I didn't pick up on until I watched, who was it? Hey,
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it's Jenna. Jenna Lynn from Phase Hero. She has her
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YouTube channel. Go read some comics. She brought up the
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fact that in the first episode, Carrie says something to
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someone over the phone about saying something to Barb or whatever. Now,
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if you say Barb, and now she's from Gotham, and
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she's a cop, like there's some, some elements there that's like,
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are we, are we setting the groundwork for something for
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the future? Or I don't know, like there's a lot
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of choices in those words that make me go, huh?
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Maybe she has some connection to a Barbara Gordon.
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Maybe.
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Yeah.
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Oh, I didn't pick up on that. I'm actually going
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to start watching her. I got to start watching her YouTube.
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I've just always been obsessed with her graphics. I've never
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really watched one of her videos because I've, I have
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it on my list of things to do, but I
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love her channel. Um, but I'm going to add that
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to my list because I, I definitely like, I'm not
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a DC girl at all. So I'm a hundred percent
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open to absorbing information and like fast tracking some of
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my knowledge. Cause it's not my lane, but, um, that's
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very interesting. The Gotham thing kind of flew over my head.
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I had to double take and I ran it back.
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Cause I was like, did I hear that right? Cause
485
00:27:03.630 --> 00:27:05.630
I didn't think we were doing any callbacks to anything,
486
00:27:06.410 --> 00:27:08.319
anything else. If that makes any sense. I thought it
487
00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:10.819
was just going to be this show and, um, go
488
00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:13.319
from there. So that was a very, very cool surprise.
489
00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:14.500
What about you, John?
490
00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:17.220
Yeah, I haven't heard Gotham in a hot minute.
491
00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:18.319
I know.
492
00:27:18.380 --> 00:27:20.980
It's been a while since we've got any mention of
493
00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:24.259
Batman or whatnot. I did a double take.
494
00:27:24.279 --> 00:27:26.099
I was like, Gotham? Why would she say..
495
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:28.359
Oh, that's right. Okay, Batman.
496
00:27:29.859 --> 00:27:33.980
But no, I think this is a very... I would
497
00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:36.960
say it's a very... I want to say it's a
498
00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:39.599
closed-off show in terms of the fact that you're not
499
00:27:39.660 --> 00:27:41.119
going to... I don't think you're going to ever... You're
500
00:27:41.140 --> 00:27:43.039
not going to see Batman or Superman in this show.
501
00:27:43.740 --> 00:27:47.250
But also the lines like that and maybe the barb line,
502
00:27:47.289 --> 00:27:49.349
I think, is just to kind of show you that, hey,
503
00:27:49.390 --> 00:27:53.170
you are in this DC universe. There are other characters
504
00:27:53.250 --> 00:27:55.950
that are in this universe. And I think that was
505
00:27:56.670 --> 00:27:59.839
just kind of a reminder that this is a DC product.
506
00:27:59.859 --> 00:28:00.859
So that's how I took it.
507
00:28:01.039 --> 00:28:04.740
Yeah, it's almost like, again, like how Superman did in
508
00:28:04.779 --> 00:28:08.220
terms of establishing history into this world that we haven't seen.
509
00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:11.930
And we talked about it earlier. Shalise, before you jumped on,
510
00:28:11.950 --> 00:28:15.680
we were talking earlier about the gorilla Grodd show that's
511
00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:18.940
coming into fruition and how we're, we're still nowhere near
512
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:21.259
a new Batman. And of course we have the Matt
513
00:28:21.299 --> 00:28:26.660
Reeves one, but yeah, this, this little element was interesting. I.
514
00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:28.940
And maybe this all goes back to me not being
515
00:28:29.059 --> 00:28:32.640
socially aware of DC stuff, but was there ever a
516
00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:35.660
time in the past where two Superman ran the course
517
00:28:35.680 --> 00:28:38.200
at the same time? Like Smallville was very much over
518
00:28:38.309 --> 00:28:43.099
before we got, any other Superman, right? Like, I'm saying
519
00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:45.920
that because I don't know in whose world they thought
520
00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:48.900
it was an intelligent decision to try to run together
521
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:50.180
two Batmans.
522
00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:52.019
Like, that doesn't make any sense.
523
00:28:52.619 --> 00:28:53.480
So here's the thing.
524
00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:56.349
Back in the day, I say back in the day,
525
00:28:56.400 --> 00:29:00.130
not even that long ago, I believe it was.
526
00:28:59.769 --> 00:29:02.750
Stephen Amell had a conversation with Jeff Johns.
527
00:29:03.630 --> 00:29:07.769
And Stephen Amell wanted to use Bruce Wayne or Batman
528
00:29:08.009 --> 00:29:11.849
in his Arrowverse, right? and I don't know when and
529
00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:18.289
where this changed, but basically Jeff Johns told him, that's
530
00:29:18.349 --> 00:29:22.009
the one character that we are not going to lend
531
00:29:22.049 --> 00:29:25.289
you to do anything in terms of like, you can
532
00:29:25.309 --> 00:29:27.849
have a Superman, you can have Supergirl, you can do
533
00:29:27.890 --> 00:29:31.089
whatever you want with the Superman, like the Kryptonians, but
534
00:29:31.130 --> 00:29:32.009
Batman is off limits.
535
00:29:32.390 --> 00:29:34.089
We're only going to do one Batman at a time.
536
00:29:34.869 --> 00:29:39.890
And I'm guessing when the structural change happened and, you know,
537
00:29:41.099 --> 00:29:43.700
James Gunn wanted to create his own universe, that's when
538
00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:48.119
they decided, hey, it's okay to have two Batmans out there.
539
00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:52.529
They were very protective of that IP. They were very
540
00:29:52.589 --> 00:29:54.250
protective at one point.
541
00:29:55.130 --> 00:29:56.990
I'm glad I was on mute when you brought up
542
00:29:57.009 --> 00:29:57.589
Stephen Amell.
543
00:29:57.789 --> 00:30:01.569
Because The audible noise that I made about Stephen Amell
544
00:30:02.029 --> 00:30:05.910
is probably unacceptable. But I think Stephen Amell is super,
545
00:30:06.029 --> 00:30:09.029
super underrated. Why he keeps taking these random side projects,
546
00:30:09.170 --> 00:30:11.440
I don't know. He needs a new agent because he
547
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:16.799
should be more utilized in some capacity, whether he transitions
548
00:30:16.859 --> 00:30:19.619
to another hero role or something.
549
00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:22.369
He is very, very great. and what he does.
550
00:30:22.569 --> 00:30:26.170
And he actually got me into watching Arrow when I
551
00:30:26.230 --> 00:30:28.119
was never going to give anything on the CW a chance.
552
00:30:28.579 --> 00:30:32.759
So he is responsible for me learning about that side
553
00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:34.539
of DC way back when.
554
00:30:34.579 --> 00:30:36.859
So yeah, he's just underutilized in my opinion.
555
00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:37.660
Yeah.
556
00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:40.920
And his version of Arrow is not actually like the
557
00:30:41.019 --> 00:30:42.539
Arrow that you have in the comics.
558
00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:44.559
He's more akin to Batman.
559
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:44.960
Yeah.
560
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:46.339
Like that is Bruce Wayne.
561
00:30:46.920 --> 00:30:50.799
That character in Arrow is more closer to Bruce Wayne
562
00:30:50.819 --> 00:30:52.740
than it is Green Arrow. And then you have the
563
00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:55.759
whole damn Arrow family in there, which is like the
564
00:30:55.779 --> 00:31:00.990
Batman family. And so that vision of, I guess, Batman
565
00:31:01.109 --> 00:31:06.210
is Green Arrow. So it's a weird thing. And I
566
00:31:06.250 --> 00:31:11.799
don't know when that transition happened between wanting only one
567
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:15.539
Batman out there and being played by At the time,
568
00:31:15.579 --> 00:31:17.940
I think they were, I guess, having, you know, Ben
569
00:31:17.980 --> 00:31:20.319
Affleck was Batman at the time, but then now moving
570
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:22.920
on and doing, you know, three Bat, it's going to
571
00:31:22.940 --> 00:31:25.960
be like three Batmans in the span of like 10 years,
572
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:27.160
and they're all different actors.
573
00:31:27.220 --> 00:31:28.200
So I don't know.
574
00:31:28.660 --> 00:31:31.089
I don't know either, but I do know that we
575
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:34.150
learned a bit more about Manhunters in this episode. Hey,
576
00:31:34.190 --> 00:31:37.289
see what I did? We learned a bit more about
577
00:31:37.309 --> 00:31:40.369
the aliens as well, because we got our first introduction
578
00:31:40.410 --> 00:31:44.960
to Anton. the alien whose world was wiped out by
579
00:31:44.980 --> 00:31:48.839
a Manhunter. And, of course, Jon Stewart gets those memories
580
00:31:49.140 --> 00:31:52.319
of what happened, what occurred. Jon, I'll start with you.
581
00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:56.059
What are your thoughts on the Manhunter reveal in this episode,
582
00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:57.839
as well as Anton in this episode?
583
00:31:58.619 --> 00:32:01.019
Yeah, I mean, it clears up a lot of stuff
584
00:32:01.059 --> 00:32:04.480
that we got from the first episode. And we kind
585
00:32:04.539 --> 00:32:08.579
of speculated on this last episode. You know, Manhunters and
586
00:32:08.940 --> 00:32:12.779
Martian Manhunter, they're like, they're not, They're not related whatsoever,
587
00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:13.420
I don't think.
588
00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:16.680
I forget if they retconned it to it or away
589
00:32:16.700 --> 00:32:16.960
from it.
590
00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:21.059
But it does open up the door to a Martian
591
00:32:21.099 --> 00:32:25.240
Manhunter appearing somewhere down the line. Maybe in the next
592
00:32:25.269 --> 00:32:27.509
Superman movie or something like that. I think it just
593
00:32:27.529 --> 00:32:30.130
kind of sets a little bit of a tease to that.
594
00:32:30.589 --> 00:32:35.390
But also it revealed they're actually here to hunt Manhunters.
595
00:32:35.910 --> 00:32:38.690
And so the reveal was nice. It explained a lot
596
00:32:38.710 --> 00:32:41.250
from the first episode and kind of showed you what
597
00:32:41.779 --> 00:32:45.480
they're dealing with. And for them to have that many
598
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:50.660
of them around to deal with one Manhunter kind of
599
00:32:50.940 --> 00:32:51.380
tells you.
600
00:32:51.309 --> 00:32:53.970
A lot about how dangerous Manhunters are.
601
00:32:54.950 --> 00:32:58.490
Very, very dangerous. And, and curious where the one is
602
00:32:58.750 --> 00:33:00.849
at and who the one is at, because as they
603
00:33:00.890 --> 00:33:05.329
describe it as someone that they can take, take on
604
00:33:05.369 --> 00:33:08.150
the form of anybody and can be anybody in those moments.
605
00:33:08.769 --> 00:33:12.089
What did you think, Shalise, of Manhunters and Anton?
606
00:33:12.829 --> 00:33:15.829
So when I did my video about the recap of
607
00:33:15.849 --> 00:33:19.289
season two, I'm sorry, episode two, I heavily thought that
608
00:33:19.569 --> 00:33:23.289
Zoe was the Manhunter. Reason being is for her to
609
00:33:23.329 --> 00:33:25.430
be one of the bigger actresses. I don't think they're
610
00:33:25.450 --> 00:33:28.779
going to cast her as like the husband's wife. Um, I,
611
00:33:28.859 --> 00:33:30.660
at this thing, she just conveniently was at the two
612
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:32.150
places that John was at. Like, she just happened to
613
00:33:32.170 --> 00:33:33.630
be at the diner the two times she was there,
614
00:33:33.769 --> 00:33:35.670
he was there. So like, she just, it just seems
615
00:33:35.730 --> 00:33:38.349
all too convenient for me. But then on the other end,
616
00:33:38.369 --> 00:33:40.140
when people are commenting on the video, some people think
617
00:33:40.180 --> 00:33:42.660
it's the sheriff. And then when they brought that up,
618
00:33:42.740 --> 00:33:44.960
I was like, you know what? That hospital being empty,
619
00:33:45.339 --> 00:33:48.329
full of like plastic equipment, like, well, equipment with plastic
620
00:33:48.349 --> 00:33:49.410
still on it. It didn't.
621
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:51.740
It didn't sit right with me. Like that seems kind
622
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:52.180
of odd.
623
00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:54.680
So my boat is still with Zoe because she just
624
00:33:54.700 --> 00:33:56.339
seems to be in the right places at the right
625
00:33:56.380 --> 00:33:59.200
times or yeah, right place at the right time. But
626
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:01.359
I did have to decipher and let people, because there's
627
00:34:01.380 --> 00:34:03.559
some people who are still like me new to the
628
00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:06.029
DC space and I had to let people know, Hey guys,
629
00:34:06.089 --> 00:34:09.809
Martian Manhunter and Manhunters are different.
630
00:34:10.510 --> 00:34:11.409
They're two different things.
631
00:34:11.489 --> 00:34:13.730
And I think that was important to decipher, but yeah,
632
00:34:13.750 --> 00:34:16.219
there was a, There was a lot going on, but
633
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:18.039
I think this is the time. People need to lock
634
00:34:18.099 --> 00:34:19.340
in who they think it is, because I think that's
635
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:22.210
the fun part about this series, is the guessing game,
636
00:34:22.250 --> 00:34:25.929
like the whodunit type thing. And yeah, so my vote
637
00:34:25.969 --> 00:34:26.650
is that it's Zoe.
638
00:34:27.250 --> 00:34:28.369
Who's your vote for, John?
639
00:34:29.769 --> 00:34:32.289
Ooh, Zoe is a good one.
640
00:34:33.230 --> 00:34:37.869
And she seems very curious with John, like Shalise was saying.
641
00:34:40.289 --> 00:34:43.190
I mean, her and Carrie, that's a good answer, too.
642
00:34:43.789 --> 00:34:46.679
just because she has a good grasp on all these people.
643
00:34:46.699 --> 00:34:51.239
I don't know. It doesn't strike me that William is
644
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:52.139
probably one of them.
645
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:53.000
I mean, maybe.
646
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:58.239
And he's just hunting down all these other aliens, which
647
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:00.300
wouldn't be too far-fetched, I guess.
648
00:35:01.139 --> 00:35:03.179
But yeah, I don't know.
649
00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:05.360
I think I'm going to have to watch a few
650
00:35:05.380 --> 00:35:08.219
more episodes to kind of... Because I was just sitting there.
651
00:35:08.260 --> 00:35:10.260
I wasn't even thinking about who the Manhunter could be.
652
00:35:12.300 --> 00:35:15.079
My ass was just laughing at the bird and laughing
653
00:35:15.099 --> 00:35:19.030
at his ring losing power and laughing at that giant mansion.
654
00:35:19.110 --> 00:35:24.590
And the portal, the interdimension where he keeps the lantern
655
00:35:24.630 --> 00:35:25.469
was really cool.
656
00:35:25.750 --> 00:35:27.429
Yeah, it was. It was very, very cool.
657
00:35:27.710 --> 00:35:33.170
I personally think, yes, I love Kyle Chandler as Kyle.
658
00:35:33.230 --> 00:35:35.070
I think it's perfect. I mean, he's funny. I love
659
00:35:35.090 --> 00:35:37.940
the scene where Sheriff is like, honey, and he responds.
660
00:35:37.980 --> 00:35:38.659
I thought that was funny.
661
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:38.920
Yeah.
662
00:35:39.340 --> 00:35:43.039
Um, did y'all talk about the underwhelming suit suit up scene?
663
00:35:43.860 --> 00:35:46.239
Oh, you thought it was underwhelming. Yeah.
664
00:35:46.260 --> 00:35:48.679
Dude just threw it on. Like it was like, like
665
00:35:48.739 --> 00:35:49.659
a robe and took off.
666
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:52.769
Like I thought it was my, and my, the feedback
667
00:35:52.809 --> 00:35:54.250
I've gotten was, well, she'll ease.
668
00:35:54.429 --> 00:35:56.929
He wasn't, he's not enthusiastic about this. Like he's over it.
669
00:35:57.260 --> 00:35:58.980
I was like, that's fine. He can feel how he
670
00:35:59.019 --> 00:35:59.619
wants to feel.
671
00:35:59.900 --> 00:36:01.619
But there should have been some level of some kind
672
00:36:01.659 --> 00:36:03.860
of needle drop, some good reveal.
673
00:36:03.980 --> 00:36:06.099
It was just way too casual for me.
674
00:36:06.500 --> 00:36:07.780
And I think they should have upped it up a
675
00:36:07.780 --> 00:36:09.519
little bit, especially given the fact that people have been
676
00:36:09.539 --> 00:36:12.320
patient to see this character done right. I mean, I
677
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:15.110
love Ryan Reynolds, but that just wasn't it. So I
678
00:36:15.130 --> 00:36:17.369
think that should have been a little bit more of
679
00:36:17.949 --> 00:36:19.969
a nod to the fans and giving it a little
680
00:36:19.989 --> 00:36:22.449
bit more of an anticipated buildup. And I also think
681
00:36:22.510 --> 00:36:25.170
it should have been in episode three or four. I
682
00:36:25.190 --> 00:36:27.210
don't think we should have gotten it so soon. But
683
00:36:27.570 --> 00:36:29.469
the fact that y'all gave it to us and it
684
00:36:29.510 --> 00:36:32.849
was very unsalted, didn't really care for that.
685
00:36:32.889 --> 00:36:35.489
Unseasoned.
686
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:38.289
I understand where you're coming from. I didn't mind it,
687
00:36:38.340 --> 00:36:40.039
but now that you brought it up, I.
688
00:36:40.019 --> 00:36:45.900
Could see where having a bigger reveal may have been
689
00:36:46.139 --> 00:36:49.559
more warranted. But maybe we get that with Jon.
690
00:36:49.860 --> 00:36:50.800
Yeah.
691
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:54.559
Maybe towards the end of this season where I imagine
692
00:36:54.619 --> 00:36:56.360
towards the end of the season we'll be in present
693
00:36:56.380 --> 00:36:59.699
day And the big reveal, the suit up, would be
694
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:01.820
with Jon putting on the uniform and the ring.
695
00:37:03.579 --> 00:37:06.400
That would make sense. Yeah, that would make sense.
696
00:37:06.780 --> 00:37:11.090
I think the big setup is because of what Jon's
697
00:37:11.150 --> 00:37:13.650
able to do with the construct of the bird and
698
00:37:13.789 --> 00:37:16.929
keeping the bird around for that far of a distance
699
00:37:16.969 --> 00:37:20.469
without losing it and not having the ring while he
700
00:37:20.510 --> 00:37:23.250
does it. I think we're establishing that Jon... is a
701
00:37:23.289 --> 00:37:27.489
very special green lantern that will eventually don the suit
702
00:37:27.809 --> 00:37:29.909
and his desire to don the suit. So I imagine
703
00:37:29.929 --> 00:37:33.170
that fanfare that we'll get will be once he wears it.
704
00:37:33.449 --> 00:37:36.280
Cause yeah, I think with how he's in a state of,
705
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:38.579
I just got to put it on just to put
706
00:37:38.619 --> 00:37:41.340
it on, to go to the thing. Cause he is
707
00:37:41.420 --> 00:37:44.679
a uniform. Yeah, exactly. Like it's like, I gotta, I
708
00:37:44.699 --> 00:37:46.849
gotta put on my, my uniform before I head over.
709
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:49.179
because I can't just show up in a jacket to
710
00:37:49.219 --> 00:37:51.030
the space prison. You know what I mean? Like it just,
711
00:37:51.409 --> 00:37:55.650
it feels like he's so disillusioned with things that it
712
00:37:55.710 --> 00:38:00.389
speaks to why he doesn't have the uniform readily, readily available,
713
00:38:00.809 --> 00:38:03.489
how he's got the two that probably have been untouched
714
00:38:03.809 --> 00:38:06.219
and he's got the one that he's worn the most.
715
00:38:06.340 --> 00:38:10.320
So the fanfare moment, I think comes later with John.
716
00:38:15.489 --> 00:38:15.889
Excellent.
717
00:38:16.010 --> 00:38:16.949
Yes. Yes, it does.
718
00:38:18.610 --> 00:38:20.269
I was also, I mean, you have a valid point.
719
00:38:20.389 --> 00:38:23.309
Like there's no rebuttal to that. I think you're right.
720
00:38:23.389 --> 00:38:24.289
I appreciate it.
721
00:38:24.349 --> 00:38:25.750
I think you're right. I think that that makes a
722
00:38:25.769 --> 00:38:26.170
lot of sense.
723
00:38:26.489 --> 00:38:29.159
I will say I am very disappointed in DC for
724
00:38:29.219 --> 00:38:31.739
not having Kyle Chandler do this a lot sooner. Um,
725
00:38:32.219 --> 00:38:33.960
reason being, I think he's great, but to know that
726
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:35.539
he's probably just going to be in this one season.
727
00:38:35.940 --> 00:38:37.739
And if he isn't in just this one season, if
728
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he keeps going and he's just a hologram, that's kind
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of like played out. Like, it's like, come on guys.
730
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Oh, someone's not a fan of holograms.
731
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I don't mind it, but it's like, I wish that
732
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they could have, we could have used him more. Like,
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cause whenever the first episode ended and he's.
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Dead, I'm like, Oh no, like that. He's not going
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to be on past the first season. Like I'd like,
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I liked them a lot. So I'm just not, I'm
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00:38:58.269 --> 00:38:59.929
just not liking how they chose to do something.
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Finally get it right. And it's like, okay, well we're
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00:39:03.170 --> 00:39:05.570
not going to have Kyle Chandler that long. Cause he's perfect.
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Question. Do y'all think he, you know, it is comic books.
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Is he really dead?
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Um, I thought at first, maybe not, but a.
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Two-piece Tuesday to the head like that is crazy.
744
00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:28.590
I don't know. Or it could be the Manhunter. Maybe
745
00:39:28.610 --> 00:39:31.340
the Manhunter shapeshifted in him and is dead.
746
00:39:32.619 --> 00:39:35.199
Yeah, or an alien or something. I wonder if it's
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00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:36.900
something like that. What about you, Joan?
748
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:39.059
Hey, Walker, check your phone.
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Oh, sorry. I just saw he's getting a phone call
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from work. So anyway, we'll keep going, Shalise. But I
751
00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:49.239
wonder if it could be an alien switch up. with
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that case with that being the case because my initial
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thought was oh yeah he's dead he'll probably just live
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on as a hologram i think i said as much
755
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in our last issue of comic cast but now it's
756
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like well we could be dealing with a situation where
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we are dealing with shapeshifters and whatnot so maybe it
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is a case like that because we really didn't like
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go through a alien metal detector or anything like that
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with with hal's body yeah i mean i.
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I still think that That could be a possibility. I
762
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don't think you're wrong about that. I just never thought
763
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about it until you just said it right now.
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So it's worth exploring.
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I mean, I love that this isn't like a complete
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redo of something else because we all get to pick
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and choose what we think is going to happen versus, oh, well,
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they're doing this off the comic, so he's going to
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be X, Y, and Z.
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00:40:35.300 --> 00:40:38.469
And I think I mentioned it earlier, but I didn't
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get to it, but the house reveal for Hal was very...
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You know, it's empty and it's lived in, but not.
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And it's another showcase of while he has all these things,
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he has all these benefits of being a superhero, but
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he's also in a probably not the greatest spot mentally.
776
00:40:58.510 --> 00:41:02.840
And it maybe speaks to why he's so, I guess,
777
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harsh towards Jon in some ways because of the trauma
778
00:41:08.579 --> 00:41:11.849
that he's dealt with with the Sinestro betrayal. We don't
779
00:41:11.869 --> 00:41:14.650
know the full extent of it, at least in this story,
780
00:41:15.309 --> 00:41:17.909
but we get the sense of it by the end
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of the episode. But also that's also, also why he
782
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may not be like overly, overly enthusiastic with the suit
783
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:27.050
with a lot of aspects of his job. He's just
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kind of like whatever about things, not even really living
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00:41:29.980 --> 00:41:31.460
in the house. Like he lives in the house, but
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00:41:31.500 --> 00:41:35.199
not really barely got the barest of essentials and a
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00:41:35.219 --> 00:41:38.300
killer plant. So like that's all he's got in that
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00:41:38.460 --> 00:41:42.670
giant house. And it feels like there should be more,
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00:41:42.730 --> 00:41:44.670
but he's dealing with things. I assume.
790
00:41:45.510 --> 00:41:47.900
I do like to ask them like how much, uh,
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00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:50.539
how would he say? He goes, how much are you
792
00:41:50.579 --> 00:41:53.179
guys making? Cause that's a valid question. I saw the house.
793
00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:56.239
Yes. How much are you making? If you've got this
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00:41:56.380 --> 00:41:59.280
giant house, but it's of course gifted to him by
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00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:03.599
someone who, uh, he saved a kid or something like that.
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00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:06.639
And the person bought him a house, a giant house.
797
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:09.760
He's apparently a big Harry Potter fan because we got
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some more Harry Potter placement with one of those photos.
799
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:15.230
Wait, there was a picture? I didn't see the picture.
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00:42:15.309 --> 00:42:17.550
So one of the pictures, one of the first pictures
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that they show on the ground is Hal Jordan at
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00:42:22.070 --> 00:42:30.650
a red carpet. And it's Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson, and
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00:42:30.929 --> 00:42:34.550
the guy who plays the redhead guy. I forget his name. Rupert.
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00:42:34.750 --> 00:42:35.550
Ron Weasley.
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00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:38.380
Yeah, Ron Weasley. But it's the three of them as
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00:42:38.460 --> 00:42:40.599
kids when they're on the red carpet for one of
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00:42:40.619 --> 00:42:43.400
the Harry Potter movies, and there's Hal Jordan posing with them.
808
00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:47.179
Okay, so that tracks a little bit more because, as
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00:42:47.219 --> 00:42:49.710
you already know, they are doing the Harry Potter series.
810
00:42:49.809 --> 00:42:51.329
Yes, yes.
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I didn't know that they did that because I already
812
00:42:52.769 --> 00:42:54.650
made a comment in my first video about episode one, like,
813
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all right, guys, you guys brought up Harry Potter twice, like,
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in the same episode, like, back to back.
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Like, that's a lot.
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But to know that they did it again.
817
00:43:02.230 --> 00:43:03.329
They did it yet again.
818
00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:05.679
I missed that, and that would have been a great
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add to my... Because that would just be like a thing.
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00:43:08.019 --> 00:43:10.920
If they keep doing it all the time, I would just... Wow,
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that's interesting.
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What did you think of the episode overall, Shalise? We
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didn't get your thoughts at the very beginning. Did you
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enjoy it as much as episode one, or where'd you fall?
825
00:43:22.110 --> 00:43:26.840
I think I very much like that it's not cheesy.
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Like, when they showed us Sinestro... I like that he
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didn't look.
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Cheesy, which I think is important because that was one
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of the bigger, for me, I can't speak for everybody,
830
00:43:37.050 --> 00:43:38.670
but for me, that was one of the bigger takeaways
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or downsides of the Green Lantern film was that it
832
00:43:41.829 --> 00:43:45.820
just looked all too goofy. The fact that it looks
833
00:43:46.019 --> 00:43:48.699
a little bit more realistic, I enjoy that, or not realistic,
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00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:51.219
but it looks a little bit more like it wasn't too,
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00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:54.239
I don't want to say CGI or whatnot, but I
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00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:56.139
was in love with the facility that he was at
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because I was distracted by We're not distracted. I was
838
00:44:00.429 --> 00:44:02.679
underwhelmed by the suit up sequence, but I was immediately
839
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distracted because right after.
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That, they show us the facility.
841
00:44:05.420 --> 00:44:06.519
It's the, it's the jail, right?
842
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The prison that they went to.
843
00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:11.340
And I thought that that was so stunning. And I
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was like, oh, this, and then even then when Hal
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00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:17.079
showed up, he looked very like the shot, it just
846
00:44:17.099 --> 00:44:19.349
looked different. Like it looked like a better camera quality.
847
00:44:19.670 --> 00:44:22.130
Like the color, the color grading was nice. Like It
848
00:44:22.170 --> 00:44:23.650
made the suit pop a little bit more. I know
849
00:44:23.670 --> 00:44:27.130
people were very much complaining about the deep brown that
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00:44:27.150 --> 00:44:29.760
the suit kind of looked like before. So I very
851
00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:31.960
much think they keep elevating it as it goes on.
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Did they need to.
853
00:44:33.320 --> 00:44:35.099
Do the bird thing? I don't know. The bird kind
854
00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:35.920
of gave me Disney.
855
00:44:36.260 --> 00:44:37.219
It was giving Snow White.
856
00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:40.059
But I get what they were trying to accomplish with it.
857
00:44:40.139 --> 00:44:44.289
But every episode that comes out, I'm thoroughly more invested
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in the show.
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00:44:45.250 --> 00:44:47.489
I love the bird. I will protect that bird with
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everything I got. Jong, what about you? What did you
861
00:44:50.070 --> 00:44:52.820
think of Sinestro at the end of this episode.
862
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I'm with Shalice.
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I like the introduction of Sinestro and the way that
864
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they did it and the way that they're, you know,
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they want to establish, you know, we're not getting origin
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stories for everybody. So yeah, I like the fact that
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they gave us a quick synopsis of what really happened
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and why Sinestro's in there and who put him in there.
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00:45:18.179 --> 00:45:20.840
And so I'm sure they'll be doing flashbacks and stuff
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00:45:20.860 --> 00:45:23.360
like that to kind of give you a better understanding
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00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:27.019
of what happened. So it's, yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed Sinestro
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and I can't wait to kind of see what they
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have planned for him.
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One last thing, because we have a hard out today,
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so we got to wrap up here in just a minute.
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00:45:35.510 --> 00:45:37.329
One last thing before I let both of you go.
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00:45:37.889 --> 00:45:41.869
Sinestro says to Hal, the Manhunter, about the Manhunter thing,
878
00:45:41.889 --> 00:45:44.639
and that's the second biggest threat to him What is
879
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:47.519
the first biggest threat to Hal, you think? Is he
880
00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:50.760
trying to reference himself? Is he trying to reference Jon Stewart?
881
00:45:50.900 --> 00:45:53.400
Because that's where my brain went. But what about you, Jon?
882
00:45:53.420 --> 00:45:53.940
Where do you think?
883
00:45:54.219 --> 00:45:57.000
What do you think he meant by that? I thought
884
00:45:57.139 --> 00:45:58.380
he was talking about Jon.
885
00:45:58.909 --> 00:46:00.550
Yeah, that's what I lean towards.
886
00:46:00.969 --> 00:46:03.320
Yeah, I'd say so too, because at first I was like, okay,
887
00:46:03.340 --> 00:46:05.889
maybe he's talking about himself, but he's in jail, so
888
00:46:05.909 --> 00:46:06.710
what you gonna do from jail?
889
00:46:06.769 --> 00:46:10.250
Yeah, you ain't doing nothing. You ain't doing nothing in jail, Sinestro.
890
00:46:10.949 --> 00:46:13.679
But Curious Reveal, a lot of lore. There's a Probably
891
00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:15.219
a lot more we could talk about, but we got
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00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:16.949
to wrap up. Jong, you got to go. I got
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00:46:16.969 --> 00:46:19.369
to go. So thank you all for listening to issue
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663 of Comic Cast. Wherever you are, we greatly appreciate it.
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We also ask that you continue to leave reviews as
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00:46:26.769 --> 00:46:29.550
you've done so far. Shalise, remind the folks where they
897
00:46:29.570 --> 00:46:30.880
can follow you. I don't know.
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00:46:30.900 --> 00:46:34.480
There's a little platform called Instagram. Instagram and TikTok.
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00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:42.559
Under heychelise, that's H-E-Y-C-H-A-L-I-C-E. And on YouTube, Real Movie Junkie,
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00:46:42.659 --> 00:46:45.030
that's R-E-E-L Movie Junkie.
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00:46:45.820 --> 00:46:48.110
And I'm also on threads.
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00:46:47.809 --> 00:46:50.710
And Facebook, but those primarily would be TikTok and Instagram
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and YouTube.
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So go follow Chalice.
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We're almost at 10K, guys.
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She's almost there. She's continuing to go. So stay tuned
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for Chalice's journey. Stay tuned for us because we'll be
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back next week to talk more lanterns, maybe some more DC,
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but we'll talk to you guys then.
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See you.