Cleantech Forward: Decarbonizing BC’s Ports and Shipping

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So cruise ships have been plugging into BC Hydro since 2009 using clean hydro power
instead of diesel when they're alongside Canada Place.

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That's steadily expanding.

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So imagine if you just stop every traffic light you went to, you could plug in and stop
the engine in your car.

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It's kind of like that.

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The cruise ships tend to be there for eight to 10 hours and they can plug into clean power
while they're alongside.

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Moving goods around the world by ship accounts for nearly 3 % of global carbon emissions.

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On land, we are making good progress to decarbonize transportation, but the maritime
sector remains one of the hardest to abate.

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In BC, port activity is critical to our economy.

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In 2024, almost 3,000 ships stopped in at the Port of Vancouver, and over 10 % of these
visits were by cruise ships.

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Cruise lines, passengers, and crew spend more than $1.1 billion locally each year.

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Up in Prince Rupert, over 420 vessels called in at the port.

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Decarbonizing ports and shipping isn't just a challenge.

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It's a major opportunity for BC and Canada to lead in clean fuels, sustainable
infrastructure, and global collaboration.

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I'm Jeanette Jackson, CEO of Forsight Canada and your host of Clean Tech Forward.

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Today, we're exploring how ports can help fuel the future of clean transportation.

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Here in BC, we're not just talking about ideas.

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We're seeing them in action.

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From battery electric tugboats to shore power and international green shipping corridors,
these innovations are actively reducing emissions along our coastlines.

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We'll dive into the deep complexities and real opportunities of decarbonizing maritime
transportation in just a moment.

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Welcome to Clean Tech Forward.

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This season, we're exploring the challenges, opportunities and real-world solutions
shaping the future of British Columbia's clean transportation.

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Join us as we talk to leaders and innovators working to accelerate BC's path to a net-zero
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Think about the sheer number of packages we order online and the long journey they take to
reach our doorsteps.

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It's no surprise that millions of tons of goods move through BC's ports every year.

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In 2024 alone, 158 million metric tons of goods moved through Port of Vancouver terminals.

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That's three and a half million of those giant 20-foot shipping containers.

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Now imagine the amount of fuel required to move those giant ships across oceans and the
emissions generated just to lift those containers.

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Decarbonizing a system that runs 24-7 and spans the globe isn't simple, especially when
open seas aren't exactly wired for clean energy.

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Someone who knows a thing or two about a project of this magnitude is Juveria Weltkamp.

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She collaborates with 20 cities and 22 port authorities worldwide through the Green Ports
Forum.

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And they have a bold goal, cut porty missions in half by 2030.

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Very excited to be here with a special guest.

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You know, we've been working together and collaborating since her time at the Vancouver
Economic Commission, but now she's taken on an incredibly interesting role.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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Thanks, Jeanette.

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And we have in fact traveled the world together.

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So it is really exciting.

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And I love your podcast.

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I think the work that I do can be described as removing market barriers so that we can
transform our industry sectors and our built environment to be more climate friendly and

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be fit for purpose for the future that we're facing.

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Yeah.

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No, I love that.

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That's amazing.

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You're really spearheading and convening the thought leaders around uh green shipping.

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And the reality is while there's progress, there's challenges.

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With every challenge, there's an opportunity.

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I think before COVID, maybe we didn't all think about the supply chain very much.

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But after COVID, we all became these sort of armchair supply chain procurement
specialists.

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Oh, we're not getting the parts and we're not getting the...

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bananas we like and why does the butter look different?

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You know, we all started thinking about these things.

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And um now that I work in the sector, we talk often about how 80 plus percent of
everything you see around you came on a ship.

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So a very prominent sector in our trade, in our global economy.

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With the tariff war that we are in right now with the United States, I hear more and more
talk about how strategic the port is to help diversify our trade.

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So a really critical part of the economy.

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However, it does contribute to 3 % of emissions, which is growing quite fast.

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And it has historically not had as much urgency, I suppose, enough

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pressure to decarbonize.

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So now you have this massive opportunity with the industry saying, look, we are responding
to all the people who ship their products with us, the Amazons, the Ikeas, the Targets and

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Patagonias of the world who are saying we want zero carbon options to get our sustainable
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Bringing the local perspective to our discussion about shipping decarbonization, we have
Robin Sylvester.

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former CEO of the Vancouver Fraser Port Authority.

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So Robin, why don't I pass it over to you?

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Would love to hear, you know, a quick summary of what you're working on now.

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Thanks, Jeanette.

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Yeah, no, it's great to be with you.

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And yeah, I ran the Vancouver Fraser Port Authority for about 15 years, finishing up in
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And since then, I've been doing sort of a mix of board and advisory work in the sort of
supply chain, decarbonisation, energy transition space.

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It's a fascinating space to be involved in.

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One thing I love about the transportation space, whether it's a personal vehicle or having
your goods shipped that you ordered on Amazon to your front door, people get it, right?

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They get that products are moving from point A to point B and parts of products also need
to move from point A to point B.

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there's so many different modes of transportation that need to get it there.

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with internet deliveries and various companies who will bring those parcels to your door.

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I think people still forget just how much is going on in the background.

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One dollar and three of Canada's trade outside North America goes through the port in
Vancouver.

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And if you think about that again in the current climate, that's pretty topical.

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That's grain going all over the world, feeding people.

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It's potash as fertilizer.

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It's coal to make steel for cars and windmills and all those things.

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I think people relate to the stuffing containers that they buy in the stores, but maybe
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The other things get a bit forgotten around the way, it's good that people are starting to
understand it more for sure.

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It's probably worth just putting a bit of context in place.

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mean, so shipping, it's actually the most efficient way of moving a ton of product for a
kilometer because it's moving through water, which is relatively low resistance.

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You're not having to lift it off the ground and it's of, it's more fuel efficient than
trains and cars and trucks.

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But nonetheless, it moves a lot of product and it's about 300 million tons of CO2
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It's something that we really need to focus on improving.

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It's again, it's important to recognize that

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There have been steady changes in fuel standards for ships.

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We've had an emissions control area in Canada for 15 years, which means that when a ship
gets to within 200 kilometers of our coast, it has to switch to much cleaner fuel.

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So that's helping reduce emissions, and that's North America-wide, Europe-wide, around all
the Chinese ports now as well.

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But there's no doubt that shipping is big user of fossil fuels.

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It's a big emitter of CO2.

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And so it's really important for it to be part of the change.

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being part of the change does not come without its challenges.

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Juveria knows just how significant those challenges can be.

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So when you think about shipping and the ports as a major contributor to our global
emissions, what are some of the barriers to decarbonizing the sector today?

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So the first one, know, moving ships, we're talking about moving these big, heavy things
and they just need so much energy.

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a lot of fuel and they're very heavy, they go very long distances.

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And so just seeing how we can supply the kind of clean fuel that we need, that is one of
the biggest challenges.

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All our sectors are electrifying trucks, buildings, industry, shipping.

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How will we make sure we can get enough power?

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And then who's going to make the decision of how we prioritize who gets it first?

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The other challenge is the money.

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There's lots of green capital out there, but what we've found is that they might not know
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Like what are the primary sustainability targets for a port?

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How does the financial sector kind of wrap its head around that?

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And the third is the people.

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We just launched a report on green maritime jobs and actually started to map.

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how fossil fuel jobs can transition and how those skills are very much needed in the new
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But we need to train people, we need to get people ready, we need to have that transition
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Another challenge in decarbonizing shipping involves the availability of infrastructure to
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I mean, if we think of electric cars as being part of a transition on land, well, if
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you can possibly get from an electric grid.

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So for those long distance transfers, it's probably not battery electric in the
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And just like a car, I mean, if you're a family thinking about maybe buying an electric
car, if you've got a reasonably new car and it's working reasonably well, it's probably

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not top of your list.

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It's probably when the car needs replacing, you start to think about it and they have look
at it and you think about what it costs and kind of find somewhere to charge for the

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places I want to drive.

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And shipping is kind of in exactly that cycle.

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but at a much bigger scale.

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A ship can be anything from 20 million to 200 million dollars.

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They last about 20 years.

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The infrastructure to get fuel to ships, oil refineries and services in ports is all
established and has billions of dollars of investment.

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So it's a big complicated system to change.

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The good news is there's a lot starting to happen about changing it.

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But just like that transition to electric cars, it's going to be measured in years, not in
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Like you said, like you really, why would you just replace something for the sake of
replacing it?

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Even though it's the best thing for the environment, the reality is it comes at a cost and
the business case has to make sense, right?

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And I mean, just sort of changing all the cars in the world or all the ships in the world,
I mean, that has a big environmental impact.

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There's a lot of energy embedded in those things.

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And if they've got usable life, there's this dilemma about sort of, do you sort of waste
the energy that went into creating them and the money that went into creating them or?

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swap them all out and the reality is it's a, as you say, it takes time.

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It happens as they come to an end of a usable life.

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Internationally and here at home in Canada, we are making progress to decarbonize what we
can at ports and in shipping.

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Alternative fuels are playing an important role and we're also seeing electrification of
smaller vessels, both essential for reducing our maritime emissions.

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When you think about sort of the shipping sector relative to

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road and rail, how does it compare in terms of its progress to decarbonized operations?

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I would say there's just like road and rail, there's a lot going on.

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think progress is definitely being made.

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It's probably helpful first off just to think about sort of two different types of
shipping.

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There's that sort of the big ships that go long distances across the Pacific, across the
Atlantic, all those things.

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And they have different requirements to the smaller vessels that we see around port, like
tugs or pilot boats or even ferries that are going point to point in sort of defined

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routes over shorter voyages.

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And then you kind of need to think about what are the fuel options?

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The sort of the one that's becoming more prevalent, which is it's a step in the right
direction.

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It's not going to be the net zero solution is LNG.

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But LNG is starting to appear here in BC.

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I mean, we have BC ferries that are using LNG.

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We're now actually just in the last sort six months seeing LNG bunkering taking place in
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Bunkering is refueling a ship.

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It's kind of like the gas station process for a car, but for a ship on a big scale.

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And that's actually kind of exciting because if you look at the LNGs in detail, it's still
a fossil fuel, but it's actually got, if it's as it is here with Fortis who produce the

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LNG, they use electricity to compress the natural gas to a high pressure to make LNG,
which is just compressed gas.

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Because they're using hydroelectricity from hydro, then they're not sort of emitting
fossil fuels to create the LNG from the natural gas.

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And it's a saving of about 25 to 28 % of CO2 emissions compared to diesel.

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So that's a saving worth having when you're talking about those big numbers of 3 % of
global emissions that we're talking about at the beginning for shipping as a whole.

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When you start to look at some of the other options, the sort of the real potential net
zero fuels, which are hydrogen,

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or probably sort of hydrogen carriers as they're called, things like ammonia or methanol.

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There are a couple of escort tugs for Trans Mountain on order with CoTUG, which are going
to be dual fuel diesel methanol arriving in the port in the next year or so.

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And we're starting to see ships, sort of shipping companies worldwide exploring these
options, but it does come with challenges.

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Just like that sort of electric car dilemma, am I going to be able to find somewhere to
charge my car when I want to drive to Prince George or Prince Rupert?

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The ships have the same issue.

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They know they can get diesel or marine bunker fuel pretty much anywhere around the world
they're going to be.

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But there aren't that many places that can provide methanol or ammonia or hydrogen.

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So that infrastructure needs to get built out.

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And for the people building that infrastructure,

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they need to know there's going to be a demand.

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So there's sort of a of a chicken and egg which is starting to break through as companies
are starting to order these new fuel vessels.

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Juveria believes getting ahead of the game by bunkering alternative fuels could be a
winning strategy for BC Sports.

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As we transition, we need to be ready for the customers who come and say, want our clean
fuels, could you please bunker clean fuels?

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We have an opportunity to export clean Canadian.

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products to the rest of the world.

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So having that strategy in place is really essential and a big opportunity for BC because
we also do have clean energy here.

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We have the means of producing green hydrogen, which is a feedstock for some of these
fuels.

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We have lots of innovation here.

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We have shipbuilding here.

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Canada is a maritime country with a long history.

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So lots of opportunity here.

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And some of that is about coordinating our industry.

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So the kinds of thing that foresight does, which is bringing those stakeholders together
so that instead of working slowly on our own, we can come together, identify the

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challenges more quickly, remove those barriers more quickly and get moving.

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which of these solutions is most viable for BC's ports in the near term?

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I would say in the short term, it's going to be a combination of electrification for those
kind of near the coast ussels we're already seeing.

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electric tugs in the port system here and up in Kitimat, which is fantastic, taking
advantage of the clean power from BC Hydro.

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And then the LNG piece, we have LNG available now in the port through Fortis.

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BC ferries have been using it for quite a while with a very sort of neat solution that
actually involves getting a road tanker of LNG onto the ferry to provide it that way

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before Fortis had the Marine jetty.

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And so those solutions are here today and they need to start to gather scale.

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the longer term is it going to be methanol, ammonia, hydrogen?

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much.

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And it comes down to weight, distance, size.

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And a bit like the sort of thing we see going on with electricity grids as well is the
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Ultimately, all of them are taking us in the right direction.

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I get quite excited by just seeing these changes start to happen, seeing the battery
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hearing about the sort of methanol dual fuel tugs that are coming in, that change is
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So those sort of those small bites on that big audacious goal are starting to be made.

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As we move toward a net zero economy, it's encouraging to see real solutions taking hold
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From alternative fuels and battery storage,

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to the use of hydroelectric power, the industry is beginning to shift.

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Ships are tapping into something called shore power, and smaller port vessels, like
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Looking ahead, new opportunities for decarbonization will emerge through smarter, more
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perspective to bring to the table.

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Shipping contributes to 100,000 premature deaths annually as well because of the pollution
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are harmful for human health.

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And so when you have the ships at the birth at port, if they are burning that heavy bunker
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So a lot of ports are looking at how can we have shore power.

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And that means instead of burning the really dirty fuel, plug in and use ideally clean
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The benefits of shore power have already been demonstrated here in BC by the cruise
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It's one that people relate to about the port.

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And to the credit of the industry, they've been early adopters of emissions reduction
technology.

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So cruise ships have been plugging into BC Hydro since 2009 using clean hydro power
instead of diesel when they're alongside Canada Place.

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That's steadily expanding.

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So imagine if you have every traffic light you went to, you could plug in and stop the
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It's kind of like that.

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The cruise ships tend to be there for eight to 10 hours and they can plug into clean power
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Super fascinating to me.

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think actually at one stage there were six electric tugs in the world and five of them
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So that's pretty cool really.

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I mean, tugs don't they don't sort of consume the amount of fuel that a deep seaship
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they're mean, they're powerful little vessels that are moving these big ships around and
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it's really it's firstly it's an ideal application.

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for a battery electric system, now that batteries are getting to have that energy density,
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and it might be waiting a few hours before it's called out again.

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Perfect to be able to recharge, have those batteries full, ready for the next piece of
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One of the other bits of the story that actually I think is really neat, and again, it's
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Robert Allen, and they've been involved in all those tug projects here in Vancouver.

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and the CoTUG ones I mentioned, the methanol ones that are coming in in the future.

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And in fact, they're involved in a huge amount of these projects all around the world.

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And we've got this sort of grown in Vancouver story where we've been early adopters helped
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It's really kind of neat.

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can actually go both ways.

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Juveria has already seen the potential of port-to-grid technology in Japan.

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There is so much innovation in ports and shipping around the world.

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The team that I'm part of at C40 Cities, our unique perspective is that there is a kind of
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have this big role in energy transition.

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Cities, communities need energy for our transportation systems, for our buildings.

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They're thinking of innovative ways that they could grow the power supply.

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given the unique characteristics of their geography and their terrain, offshore wind on
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But what they're actually doing is they're now planning to build offshore wind with
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stored on batteries, which then feeds into the grid.

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novel, interesting ways that cities and ports can collaborate with each other.

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Clean energy solutions are already in play at ports in BC and around the world.

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But to meet those ambitious global emissions targets, we're going to need collaboration on
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Because at the end of the day, cleaner air and a healthier planet benefit us all, no
matter where we live.

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pivot into the future outlook.

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What do you think might be some specific tools or mechanisms that we need for that
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If we go back to the COP26, it was in Glasgow, think, the of the climate, world, the
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had the Clydebank Declaration that was setting up, encouraging the establishment of things
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kind of the ecosystem around a particular shipping route would come together to work
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And actually two of those green corridors are linked here into Vancouver.

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There's one working across the North Pacific, which is a combination of parties involved
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So NYK was started off with tech, it's now Glencore, Elk Valley Coal, Oldendorf, the
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and Sam Tugs and sort of just a whole number of parties coming together to look at, okay,
how do we get the emissions out of that shipping route from Vancouver to Japan?

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And then the other one that's quite exciting is there's a combination of the Port of
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cruise system to zero emissions?

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So it's great to see those sort of, like you say, the ecosystems coming together, starting
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How do we do that?

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It's great to see again Vancouver at the heart of two of those initiatives.

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Juveria supports green corridor initiatives like these through her work with the Green
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And she's witnessed their transformative power firsthand.

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So these are voluntary initiatives, but where multi-stakeholders along that value chain
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We're going to set some common targets.

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And there are number of something like 40 green shipping corridors when there were none
just less than six years ago.

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So they have proliferated and our team supports the LA, Shanghai green shipping corridor
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And those kinds of initiatives where you have shipping lines, you have the ports, you have

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the cities, have cargo owners involved.

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Those are really transformative because they show you the art of the possible.

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There's a commitment on those corridors to have green zero emission vessels on the route
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policy.

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A lot of it is about electrification of that cargo handling equipment and the kind of
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There's initiatives to try and collaborate to really daylight the opportunity, right?

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So the manufacturers know that there's a market there, but how do they actually get
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zero emission solutions.

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So bringing the industry together, sometimes overcoming that competitiveness and creating
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and doing that in a coordinated way.

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That's coordination right across the value chain.

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For Robin, this kind of collaboration is essential for making progress that benefits
everyone in the long run.

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sports compete with each other for various different types of cargo, but you kind of
always regard safety and environment as things where you collaborate.

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I we're all better if everyone's doing well on safety and environment.

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And so there's a lot of good collaboration taking place.

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And it's benefited Vancouver, for example.

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mean, Los Angeles, Long Beach mandated the use of shore power probably now around 15 years
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And that was instrumental in starting to set the standards globally.

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We don't even think about it now, but if you get a, if you buy a

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hairdryer or a TV, you plug it into the wall and the plug fits and the voltage is right.

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And initially with shore power for ships, there were just different standards, different
voltages, different plugs.

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And the work that started off particularly in LA and Long Beach helped create those
international standards that mean that technology then can roll out much more easily.

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So there's lots of good examples of sort of collaboration and different ports leading in
different areas that move the whole thing forward for everybody.

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you look forward five or 10 years, what

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do you think is possible to get us further to net zero through an innovation lens, if you
will?

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To put sort of frame around it, when we looked at the port, what are the emissions sources
in the port?

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And if we want to hit that sort of 40 % reduction by 2030 and net zero by 2050, what
technology do we need to adopt?

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And it was kind of sobering, because if we adopted all the known technology, this was
about five, six years ago, we couldn't hit those targets, because the technology isn't

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wasn't then available and still isn't today to get that scale of change.

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But then if you look over that last five years, it's sort of encouraging.

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mean, if you look now electric cars, I mean, in Vancouver, we see a lot of electric cars
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uh Electric cars are getting cheaper, their range is getting longer, the infrastructure is
getting built out, it's taking less time to charge them.

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So people are sort of, much more comparable to having a gas car these days.

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sort of the technology is coming through and is making those big changes.

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Going back to Corvus, I reading about their batteries recently and they've got a new
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ones.

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And I think what we're going to see is new technology around marine engines, around
hydrogen use, around creation of these sort of hydrogen carrier fuels starting to emerge

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at scale, um which is really going to sort of change the game.

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And so the thing about technology, I guess, is the sort of there'll always be new things
that you never thought about that someone comes along that starts as a wacky idea and ends

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up changing the world maybe even so.

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Let's go back to those online orders arriving at our doors.

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As consumers, we also have the power to make an impact when it comes to reducing the
environmental impact of shipping.

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Even small actions, like choosing lower impact delivery options or asking the right
questions before booking that next ocean cruise, can make a difference.

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I think it's important for, you know, people listening, you know, ask the questions to
your service providers.

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you know, do your research, how do goods move from A to B?

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There's actually a website you can go to where you can see all the ships moving and how
many ships are active at one time.

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so the environmental impact is big.

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But if we, you know, start incrementally and implement things like all the alternative
fuel research and applications that are being done, it's incredible.

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It's going to be, it's going to have a huge impact.

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And it's really true what you say that, I the cruise lines have been focused on this for a
long time.

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Part of that's come from pressure from people that go on cruises.

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And that's healthy.

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So it's sort of ask your cruise line, what are they doing about sustainability?

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What are they doing about energy transition?

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What are they doing about managing the garbage from the ships?

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They'll probably have a good answer actually.

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And the more people ask, the better, even better those answers will get.

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It's wild, like the scale and scope of this opportunity.

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And that's why love how you brought it home to like consumer decisions.

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So yes, even though

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It needs to be a coordinated, focused effort at that high policy leadership level.

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um People do expect to press a button and it goes on the ship and it comes there and
Amazon delivers it to your front door and those expectations come at a cost.

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What should the everyday consumer know about the shipping sector and how they can
influence the direction that it goes?

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I love the question because we all want to make it more meaningful.

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how do, what do I do with this information?

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On the other hand, I think climate action is beyond only individual choices at this point.

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I think we need concerted whole of the economy, whole of the country decisions to
transition our energy system.

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So, you know, making sure that you know.

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who you're voting for that has a vision that is transformative and can deliver.

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think these are the big picture things.

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It's not about double-sided photocopying anymore, I wouldn't say.

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But we can still make sustainable choices.

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And the biggest way to do that is with our purchasing power.

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Not only about, you know, right now we're talking about

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buying Canadian, just making more informed and maybe intentional choices.

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You know, I have two kids, so I'm always about convenience.

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uh So I can't give up the convenience, but I can still be intentional and look at the
label and think about, you know, how is this choice resonating for my local economy?

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The best resilient economies have strong

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local economies.

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So I think that is still, you know, that's one piece of advice.

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And bank with your values.

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Like every decision you make with your money, where you bank, how you spend it, where it's
invested, this is how we can send a signal that these are the choices we want to invest

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in.

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Thank you to Robin Silvester and Juvieria Veldkamp for sharing their knowledge and the
important work they're doing to help our ports.

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and shipping sector operate more sustainably.

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What we learned today is that ports are central shipping hubs and we have the opportunity
to not only decarbonize our imports, but export the technology that we deploy on our

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ports.

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So let's dig in, understand what's happening at your port, how are your goods getting to
your front door and what decisions do you need to make to decarbonize our shipping

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infrastructure.

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If I were to leave our listeners with a final aha moment for this episode,

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Especially if you're someone with influence, funding, or passion to advance clean
transportation, it's this.

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Every person along the supply chain has an important role to play in reducing emissions
from shipping.

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Whether you're a consumer clicking buy now or book now, a decision maker choosing fuels
for a fleet, or an innovator designing the next generation of marine batteries, your

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choices matter.

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Meeting ambitious emissions targets will take bold ideas, practical action, and a
willingness to explore every viable option.

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even if it's not net zero yet, because every step forward helps us get closer to the
future we're all working toward.

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Learn more about how BC is driving the future of clean transportation at ForesightCAC.com
slash British Columbia.

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Clean Tech Forward is an everything podcasts production hosted by Jeanette Jackson and
narrated by me, Tamara Stanners.

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Show runner and writer, Jessica Grechik.

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Sound engineer, Jordan Wong.

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Executive producer, Jennifer Smith.

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Another Everything Podcast production.

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Visit everythingpodcast.com, a division of Patterson Media.

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