EP 72: Devin Walker

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I would like to welcome back to the channel with
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Dylan podcast. We have an exciting guest today is challenge champ,
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Devin Walker. This is our first ever time having him
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on the podcast. So we're really excited for it. Um,
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I do want to make a note. This is obviously
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published today, Thursday, September 24th, but it was filmed or
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recorded Tuesday, the 22nd. So we did not talk about
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yesterday's episode. We talked about the episode from last week. Um,
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It's a really interesting interview. I hope you guys enjoy.
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All of our social media links will be down below.
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He started the podcast with Pauly Calafiori. So that link
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will be down below. Check them all out. But without
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further ado, I hope you guys enjoy the episode.
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Hey, chilling with Dylan, chilling with Dylan. Good vibes and
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such an incredible feeling. The podcast that you need and want.
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Interviews with reality TV stars.
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So entertaining.
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Now you don't want to miss it. Real as it gets.
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Never know what to expect. Got a rep jersey. I
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thought I told you. Yes, indeed. Every week got a
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brand new poster while I'm chilling with Dylan, chilling with Dylan,
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chilling with Dylan, chilling with Dylan.
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Let's go. All right. The next guest on the Chillin'
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with Dylan podcast is a challenge champion from RU the 163.
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It is Devin Walker. Devin, how are you doing this evening?
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Chillin' with Dylan, brother. Happy to be here. Thanks for
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having me. Been a long time coming. And you've had
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some legends on here, so happy to be the next
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challenger in line.
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Yes, I appreciate it. Yeah, I've had your ride or
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die tour, like, I think, three or four times now.
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So I finally have the other half here.
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Talk about that thing. Yeah, that was a.
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That was a duo kind of written amongst the stars there,
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wasn't it?
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Yeah, yeah. I want to get into everything, but to start,
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I just want to do a mental health check. How
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are you doing mentally? You know, we're ending 2026. Just
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how's everything going for you mentally?
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Oh, nice question, Dylan. I think the vibes are high.
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I'm chilling.
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Obviously, Michelle is filming Traitors at the moment, so.
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I am without my girlfriend, which always makes things a
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little bit more difficult, but I got my family here
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visiting me right now. I just won my fourth Baker
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Hill Invitational Horseshoe Tournament, and that is a big accomplishment,
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four out of nine. So yeah, the vibes are high.
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How are you doing?
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I'm good. I'm good. Got the podcast going. We have
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some stuff with Bravo coming up, so I'm doing well.
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Hell yeah.
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Are you guys living in Jersey, you and Michelle?
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No, we are moving to Florida, actually.
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Oh, really? What part of Florida?
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That is undetermined at the moment, but we've got like
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three or four cities kind of in the running. We're
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looking St.
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Pete, Delray area.
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We're also looking at Jupiter and then Destin. Okay. Okay.
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Cause I've, I've met Michelle before and I'm, I'm friends
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with Olivia. Um, but I know Michelle goes down the
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Jersey shore a lot.
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Um, yeah, she's in Hoboken currently. Um, so we're doing
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long distance currently, you know, super long distance, but, um,
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I believe I get to talk to her tomorrow and
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I think I can say that. So, um, yeah, every,
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all the, uh, all the things are lining up.
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That's really exciting. All right. So before we get into
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all the Michelle and current day news, let's go back.
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Are you the one season three, right? Can you talk
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about how you got cast on that show? Was that
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a show you applied for? Were you what they call
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a recruit? Were you looking to be on another show
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and they kind of just put you on that show?
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Like how did you end up on, are you the
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one on MTV?
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Funny story.
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I was a recruit, but lighthearted entertainment claims it was
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by a, Catfish by a catfish recruiter. So I was
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singing karaoke in San Diego and I sang Ricky Martin.
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I believe it was. And it's the song. I think
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it was, I think it was she bangs. And in
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the music video, he pours a wax candle on his chest.
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So I attempted to do that, but it was an
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oil candle and my shirt lit on fire. So I
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was asked to, leave the bar. Um, and then I
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went outside and this woman followed me out.
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And was like, Hey dude, that was funny. Do you
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want to do this show? Uh, and I said, whatever.
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And then, you know, a.
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Year went by and it was, are you the one
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season one, but I had no Instagram. I didn't even
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have a Facebook at the time. So they like, didn't
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know how to contact me. Um, and I had, you know,
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given her my email, I guess I was three sheets
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to the wind. So one day I was like going
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through my email and I saw that they had asked
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me to apply for, are you the one season one?
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So I just hit them back and I was like, Hey, uh,
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I don't know if this is real or not, but like,
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here's my information. Um, and they got back to me
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and they were like, well, we've got a couple of
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new shows. We already filmed season one. We have a
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couple of new shows. You can do season two. You
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could do naked dating, which was a thing at the
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time or this other show. Uh, and essentially I was like,
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which one of them has like some money I can win.
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And they were like, are you the one?
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So I went.
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Through the casting process for season two. They asked me
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to do it. I said, no, I had a girlfriend
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at the time. And then season three rolled around. I
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was single.
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And they were like, we don't cast people on TV
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after 26. So now's your time.
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Do it or don't. Um, And so I did a
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fast track application process, but I did still have to
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like make a video, fly to LA, do the whole
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casting process.
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Interesting. Yeah. And did you know about the challenge before
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going on it? Have you watched the challenge or was
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that something new to you?
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I had absolutely no idea about the challenge. I had
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no idea what it was outside of the fact that
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I had seen, you know, when you're a kid, you
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come home, you throw MTV on and there would like
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maybe be a MTV spring break on. Right. Um, so
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I was familiar with some of the characters, but at
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the time I hadn't watched the show and maybe, you know, 12,
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13 years. So I really, when they asked me to
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do it, I just said, yes, not knowing what it was.
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And Cheyenne kind of did the same thing. So we
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went in like totally green. It was a different, It
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was a different show at the time too. It was
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like less about, you know, explosions and like intense competition
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and more about house reality.
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Yeah, for sure. And you guys made it pretty far.
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You got third place together. So, I mean, it went
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well for you.
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Well, we didn't make it very.
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Far, actually.
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Originally, yeah. You were taken out, but then you came back.
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We were brought back for absolutely zero reason.
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Yeah. And then we did pull White Skulls all the
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way to the final and won White Cork. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But you did get third place. So you got to
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give yourself some credit for that. You know what I mean?
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We did get third place. I just said on our
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podcast that I think if you really were to go
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through it at the time, me and Cheyenne are one
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of the worst duos to ever be paired together.
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And we still came in third place.
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Yeah.
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That was a rough season overall, man.
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It was a tough one. Yeah.
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And I mean, We never came in last.
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So what people forget about that is, yes, we did
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go in technically into six eliminations in a row. But
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the reason that we were doing that is because we
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were getting voted in. The last place team went in automatically.
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And we didn't get the opportunity to pick skulls. So
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we never lost a single mission. We just didn't win any.
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And we had no relationships because everyone knew we weren't
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going to win. So they sent us in over and
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over again.
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Yeah, that's a good point. It was also your rookie season. So,
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you know, you're learning. We then see you on the
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trilogy of, you know, Dirty 30, Vendettas, Final Reckoning. I
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want to get into this because this is kind of
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when you and Bananas rivalry like peaks. Dirty 30 was
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kind of a shorter stint. But Vendettas, you had your
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moment in the Light Bright elimination. You were supposed to be.
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but it is part of her final reckoning. And then
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that didn't work out. Can you just talk about that
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rivalry with bananas and whether, because a lot of the
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audience thinks bananas plays up rivalries for the camera, right?
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Can you talk about whether that was like a genuine
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rivalry or do you think it was played up a
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little bit too much with editing? And if it was genuine,
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what kind of ticked you off about him and vice versa?
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What do you think? ticked him off about you.
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No, he genuinely didn't like me. If you strapped him
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to a lie detector test, he would probably, if he
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said he likes me now, he'd probably fail.
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There's the thing with Johnny is that he doesn't.
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Like, um, someone who gives it back to him and
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someone who can give it back to him, like articulately
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and kind of turn people. is especially ruffles his feathers.
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I actually don't mind him outside of the game. He's
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a fun hang. Um, and I, I've kind of always
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said that, but there was a long time, like he really,
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really didn't like me for a long time because I
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beat him in vendettas. So like, if you call him
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out and you beat him, he'll never like you. if
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you call him out and you lose like a Jordan
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for instance he'll still kind of keep you in his
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good graces because in his mind he got over it
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like so it's one of those situations where I don't
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think it was played up for the cameras with me
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and him at all like when he's really telling me
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in vendettas if I could go down there and strangle
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you I'd vote myself in I think he means it.
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I don't think he's playing it up for the cameras.
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But yeah, maybe now he's neutral on me at best, which,
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you know, for someone that actually is competition for him,
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I'll take neutral all day. Yeah.
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So you were supposed to be his partner on Final Reckoning. Yeah.
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So you were dealing with some stuff at home and
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you couldn't get there.
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I actually was there.
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Oh, you were there.
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I was there. And then I flew. They so I
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had to fly from Boston to L.A. to meet the cast. Yeah.
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To fly back to Boston, to fly to London, to
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fly to South Africa.
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So the travel day was 40 hours.
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And I was I was there for maybe 15 hours.
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And then they said, you got to go home.
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I didn't know they flew you from Boston to L.A.
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back to to go to London.
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They now would just have you meet the cast in Boston.
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But at the time, it was a different way of travel.
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And the season before that, Dirty 30, CT had actually
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been turned around at Customs in Columbia. So they had
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really tightened up travel restrictions for the cast. So they
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needed us all there together. And we spent the night like,
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and really it wasn't a night. Like I probably got
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in at midnight and then our flight was at 6 AM.
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So I left LAX. We went to an airport and
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we got back to LAX three hours later. I went
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to the airport hotel back there and then start the
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process all over again, which was to fly back to Boston.
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It was insane. Yeah. Yeah. But I was there and
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then I had to fly 30 hours home. So I
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went and then I went back two weeks later. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It was crazy.
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That's what I was gonna ask you about was, A,
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was there any hesitation to come back two weeks later?
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And B, if you were with Bananas, how do you
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think you guys would have done? Because, I mean, obviously
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that season was a mess with, like, the Redemption House
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and Battle Back, and, you know, Ashley and Hunter ended
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up winning, and they didn't even start the season either.
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They came in late. So how do you think you
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and Bananas would have done together? Because, you know, him
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and Tony didn't even make the final.
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Um, guy-guy pair. Two separate sides of the house. At
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that point, I was set up really well with the
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people that he wasn't set up well with. And because
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of the Redemption House angle, no one wanted to take
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a shot. So you got to imagine that the two
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of us do very well. Him and Tony had similar
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skill sets. So they weren't really able to rattle off
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some wins, but they didn't have a chance in every game.
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The two of us would have had a chance in
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every game. So with our political prowess, you hate to
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say it would have been ours to lose, but I
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do think it would have been ours to lose. It
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would have taken a lot for them to find something
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that they were going to beat us at multiple times.
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Like we'd have to lose the challenge, lose the elimination,
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lose the battle back challenge. And that team probably is
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not losing three in a row. I think me and
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Corey probably win if we stay in the house.
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I could see that too.
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Yeah. Yeah. That's another team where like in the challenge,
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typically what you want is a varied skillset. And me
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and Johnny have totally different skillsets. We are similar in
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a lot of ways, but our skillsets in the game
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are totally different. And that's, you know, that's been illustrated
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in several different ways throughout our careers and as rivals
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and in, you know, ride or dies, we, we played
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together the entire time and our teams had different strengths,
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different weaknesses. So I think when you get a really
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well-rounded pair like that, it would have been tough, tough
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to beat us.
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Yeah. Yeah. Now I fully believe bananas was stole the
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money from you at the end. Like Ashley did, would
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you have taken the full million yourself?
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Probably not.
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Really?
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Yeah, probably not at that point. Like, So the whole
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reason I went back, I wouldn't have taken it... There's
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really no one I would take it from. Like, I
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ended up.
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I ended up giving him money after Ride or Die.
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Yeah.
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Like, it wasn't even a part of the.
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You guys were in a different space in Ride or
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Die in 2022 rather than Final Reckoning in 2018.
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We were, but it would be... It would take a
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lot for me to have to take the money from somebody.
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I just.
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Don't know especially at that time like you had asked
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earlier why I went back I breezed over it unintentionally
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but I was under this false pretense of like never
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giving up on something one of my dad's like major
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lessons that he instilled in us was like not to
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quit don't quit so in my mind because I had
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flown there I had started the process and so the
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reason one of the reasons I went back As quickly
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as I did, I think it actually ended up being
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like three weeks. But the reason I went back as
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quickly as I did was because I had started the
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process in my mind. I now am like actually cutting
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your losses sometimes is like a better thing to do.
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So in retrospect, in knowing what I know now and
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how long it took me to get over that situation.
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I should not have been in front of a camera.
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It was like really, really clear to me as soon
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as I got there that it was probably not the
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right move. And even with that being said, I think
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me and Corey had a really good shot. It was
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just going to be like it was it was a
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form of personal torture. I was putting myself through going
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there and dealing with that when when all that was happening. But, yeah,
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especially because of the mental state I was in. I
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just cannot imagine me taking the money. Yeah, I can't
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see myself doing it. I definitely wouldn't have done it
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to Corey, especially with him being Ryder's dad. So that
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was all the way out the window. And yeah, Johnny
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probably would have taken it from me, but I don't
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think he beats me in those checkpoints. So the way
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that that one was set up was... I don't think
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there was a way he was going to beat me
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in those checkpoints. So I wouldn't have to worry about it.
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I just thought because of how, how like personal it
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got between you both that you would have taken it
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as well.
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But if we won, it would have never got that personal,
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you know, like if we had started this season as
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a duo, we probably would have worked by, you know,
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a week or two in you, you probably bury the
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hatchet just from a, this is going to potentially hold
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us back scenario. So, Let's just work it out and
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play together. And then, you know, I would consider us
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to be some semblance of friends. Like I, even now
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I would say the reason I say, if you strap
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into a lie detector test, would he fail? If he
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said he liked me, I think probably, but I wouldn't like,
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I don't, I don't mind it.
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He really doesn't bother me that much.
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I don't, I don't really think about like people from
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the show in a, like angry way at all.
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I think about them cause they're my friends, but I don't,
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I don't really have like an issue with anybody.
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Truly.
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Interesting.
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Yeah.
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So you, you took a break. We didn't see you
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on where the world's where the world's to total madness.
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Let's talk about that break. There are rumors that I
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would like you to squash or, confirm that the reason
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you weren't there was because of your turmoil with Bananas
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and him complaining to production, which I don't know if
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somebody has so much power. What can you say about
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your break on those three seasons? Because those were three
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main seasons of, you know, War of the Worlds, War
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of the Worlds 2, that really brought in a different
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perspective with Turbo and Jordan and all those kind of people.
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So here's, I can't confirm or deny that because I
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don't know the truth. But this is what I can say.
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I was an alternate for all three seasons. And then
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after Final Reckoning. No, not after Final Reckoning. After the
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Bunker season, Total Madness. After Total Madness, Johnny took two
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seasons off and I was on the cast for those
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two seasons. So as a guy with half a brain,
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you would consider, does he have that much power to
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say you can't cast him? No. But he probably has
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enough power to say that's fine if you want to
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cast him. But if he's there when I get there,
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I'm leaving. Yeah.
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So like you could do you could force an ultimatum
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in a sense.
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Right.
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And then at that point, you're probably not.
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If if you're making having to make that call, you're
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probably not going to try to call his bluff.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. So that's my theory. But again, it is a theory.
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It hasn't been confirmed by anybody on production. It truly
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is a rumor.
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But you would assume that if you're an alternate for
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three seasons and the person that you're kind of feuding
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with is there and then they're not there and you're
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immediately casted i would assume there was some sort of
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link between those things.
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No i agree We see you back on Ride or Die.
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I mean, Double Agent, Spies, Lies, and Allies were great
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seasons for you. Spies, Lies, and Allies, you got third.
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But I want to talk about Ride or Die specifically
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because you kind of work with Bananas a little bit
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and you're Ride or Die with Tori. I want to
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know how you and Tori's, and I asked Tori this
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as well, friendship got so strong because it wasn't strong
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in the beginning, right? So where did that, like, she's
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my ride or die really come from? Was it outside
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of filming and the whole, you know, vacation alliance? Like,
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where did that all come from?
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Well, we have to hit the rewind button and go
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back to double agents for this.
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So we go to double agents.
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Me and Tori have never played together and we don't
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really know each other because I was out on Dirty
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30 right away to the Redemption House and then first launched.
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She doesn't do vendettas.
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And then I believe she's in final reckoning but he was.
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In there but i think she was gone before you
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got there but i know you guys did that like
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right one thing together i forget what it was called.
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Yeah so our feud had started there and then we
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we never had the chance to bury it but she
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was always very much in the camp of you're gonna
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be my friend um and after um after let's see
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double agents She had a hand in putting me against Wes,
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but then picked me as her partner thinking I'm going to, no,
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I picked her as my partner.
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I took her from Corey. I broke up the Tori
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and Corey thing and infiltrated their alliance.
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And then I threw a challenge to get her eliminated.
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Yeah.
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Through a challenge. I wasn't strong enough to pull the rope.
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But after that, she invited me to her birthday party,
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which was post-reunion event.
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Double agents filming. I went to her birthday party and it.
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Was like eight of us in an Airbnb in New
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York just having a blast, hammering beers and listening to music.
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I met the guy she was dating at the time
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and we just had a really fun time. Post that
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and before 37, I've always been close with Anissa. Anissa
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sets up a trip for us all to go to Cozumel.
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And then she leaves three days before we're supposed to go.
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She leaves to start filming All Stars 1. So Anissa's
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not there. Tori's going. I'm going. Her friends are going.
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Josh is going. And then Josh can't go for some reason.
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So Fessy takes, or no, Josh does end up going,
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but he takes a friend of Fessy's. And so then
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that's the actual origin story. of the vacation Alliance was
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Anissa set the whole thing up, but it ended up me,
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Josh and Tori on vacation together. And so then the,
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the relationships all kind of grow into us all working
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together on 37 and, and truly running the game.
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Yeah.
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Josh makes it all the way to the end, loses
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an elimination. He probably could have won. And then me
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and Tori do end up going to the final and,
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But right before that final, I go into elimination against Emmanuel,
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and Tori gives Emmanuel the answers to one of the
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puzzles in a triple threat puzzle situation, which was hilarious
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because her and Amanda had just done balls in. So
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Emmanuel goes down there, and he calls me out. By
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the way, I.
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Like Emmanuel, but he's 160 pounds. 205.
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If I got my hands on him, it wouldn't have
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gone well for him.
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Yeah.
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So he would have probably lost either way.
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Yeah.
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But then they were like, actually, psych, you're not playing
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balls in.
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You're playing triple threat, and it's three puzzles. So Tori's
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up on the rafters, and she shouts down to Emmanuel
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the answer to one of the puzzles. It is after
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we've been playing together the entire season. So I kind
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of yell up to her, hey, you shouldn't do that, whatever.
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And I ended up winning. So we go back to
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the house and she's very apologetic. And I pretty much immediately,
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I go one of my patented lines, immediate forgiveness. I'm like, dude,
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I get it. You guys were making out. It's fucking,
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our relationship has been like a little scattered. Everyone here
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wants us to feud with each other because we're like
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two strong players that were at each other's throats. When
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those people get past their differences and, I just knew
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what it could be and other smart people did too.
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And they tried to make that crack a massive wedge.
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We weren't dumb enough to fall for it. So again,
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at the reunion, it comes up immediate forgiveness, private phone calls.
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I'll never bring it up again. Don't do it to
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me again, but a hundred percent you're forgiven. It doesn't matter.
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You get the grace and you know, we're going to
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move on from there. And thank God we did because
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that's what landed us on ride or dies. And I
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think for her, Tori is somebody that will be the
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first to say that she's made mistakes in her life.
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00:25:36.130 --> 00:25:39.849
I'm the exact same way. And some of my favorite
489
00:25:39.910 --> 00:25:42.930
people have had to give me some fucking grace from
490
00:25:42.990 --> 00:25:46.450
time to time. So instead of me doing the thing
491
00:25:46.549 --> 00:25:48.890
everyone thought I was going to do, which was kind
492
00:25:48.930 --> 00:25:53.470
of freak out and scream at her and whatever, her
493
00:25:53.579 --> 00:25:56.900
seeing that I cared about her enough to forgive her
494
00:25:57.380 --> 00:26:01.089
was like what solidified me as her ride or die.
495
00:26:01.670 --> 00:26:03.309
And also it was co-ed pairs.
496
00:26:04.549 --> 00:26:06.309
And I don't think either one of us wanted to
497
00:26:06.349 --> 00:26:11.299
go in there like with a situation ship. So the
498
00:26:11.339 --> 00:26:15.279
fact that we're strictly platonic friends made a lot of
499
00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:18.720
sense for the two of us game wise. So then
500
00:26:18.740 --> 00:26:20.900
we went in ride or dies and kind of the
501
00:26:20.940 --> 00:26:21.640
rest is history.
502
00:26:23.500 --> 00:26:25.309
And how was it working with bananas and ride or dies?
503
00:26:26.650 --> 00:26:30.589
Well, we didn't have a choice because, uh, Sam lost
504
00:26:30.690 --> 00:26:33.599
with Kayla to me and Tori. And Sam was my roommate.
505
00:26:34.359 --> 00:26:34.470
Oh.
506
00:26:35.019 --> 00:26:37.880
In that episode, Sam left.
507
00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:43.599
Yeah. And Johnny came in. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's
508
00:26:43.660 --> 00:26:47.519
remarkable they didn't make this a full episode by itself. Yeah.
509
00:26:48.339 --> 00:26:53.680
He had nowhere else to go. It was the only
510
00:26:53.740 --> 00:26:56.640
available option was me. Yeah. He had to come into
511
00:26:56.720 --> 00:26:58.769
my room and there was only two beds in that
512
00:26:58.869 --> 00:27:01.250
one room. There was only two rooms in the whole
513
00:27:01.289 --> 00:27:04.809
house that were doubles. Me and Johnny were in one
514
00:27:04.829 --> 00:27:05.170
of them.
515
00:27:05.190 --> 00:27:07.569
They should have done more with that editing then for sure.
516
00:27:08.349 --> 00:27:10.390
Well, there was a lot. We, I mean, we worked
517
00:27:10.430 --> 00:27:13.539
through a lot. The way it plays on TV is like,
518
00:27:13.980 --> 00:27:18.859
we've immediately kind of squashed everything. But when Nani came
519
00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:22.079
in because of, I had had my situation with my dad,
520
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:26.140
Nani found out that she, that her mom had passed
521
00:27:26.180 --> 00:27:34.960
away at the reunion. Um, I believe for spies, lies, spies, lies,
522
00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:35.500
and allies.
523
00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:38.940
So that was her next season.
524
00:27:38.980 --> 00:27:42.900
And I knew every situation is unique, unique, but I
525
00:27:42.980 --> 00:27:46.190
knew in some capacity what she was going through. And
526
00:27:46.250 --> 00:27:48.769
I was like, just the fact that you're here as
527
00:27:48.809 --> 00:27:50.509
a victory, I'm not going to fuck with you.
528
00:27:50.529 --> 00:27:53.349
I don't care who your partner is. So I just
529
00:27:53.450 --> 00:27:54.509
needed him to.
530
00:27:54.470 --> 00:27:57.549
Know that they were off limits, not because of him,
531
00:27:57.650 --> 00:28:02.589
because of her, but, there's bigger things at play for
532
00:28:02.630 --> 00:28:06.970
me personally, um, with the situation with Nani, huge Nani
533
00:28:07.019 --> 00:28:12.220
fan always have been. And I just feel like it was,
534
00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:16.779
it was a difficult situation because I needed to trust him.
535
00:28:17.259 --> 00:28:21.839
And we had conversations, several conversations that went on on
536
00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:25.460
camera that just, they decided not to show. Yeah.
537
00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:28.309
That's so interesting. That's kind of like what's happening right
538
00:28:28.329 --> 00:28:30.630
now with the Nelson and Leo situation, which we'll get into,
539
00:28:31.190 --> 00:28:35.549
and Josh. Before we go into, like, current events, you know,
540
00:28:35.589 --> 00:28:37.839
you came back from Battle of the Eras, and you
541
00:28:37.859 --> 00:28:41.940
had an all-star season. Can I ask why? I'm surprised, personally,
542
00:28:41.980 --> 00:28:45.000
that you weren't on 41 or 42, because you were
543
00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:47.599
somebody that I, like, expected to be there. Can I
544
00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:50.019
ask why did you take those seasons off? Were you
545
00:28:50.059 --> 00:28:53.869
just not fitting the theme and not called? Why weren't
546
00:28:53.900 --> 00:28:55.089
you back after Eras?
547
00:28:55.819 --> 00:29:00.240
So the real question is, why wasn't I on Global
548
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:02.839
Champions or USA 2?
549
00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:03.920
That's the real question.
550
00:29:03.940 --> 00:29:04.839
Oh, that's interesting.
551
00:29:05.220 --> 00:29:06.559
Because it's coming off.
552
00:29:06.660 --> 00:29:11.329
Of the heels of Ride or Die. And every other
553
00:29:11.430 --> 00:29:15.369
person got invited to that show, except for one person.
554
00:29:15.769 --> 00:29:19.930
That was all the other winners from all the other
555
00:29:19.970 --> 00:29:22.809
shows got invited to battle for a new champ.
556
00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:29.279
Yeah, including Tory, except for me. Yeah. Well, I don't know.
557
00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:31.740
World World Championship, which was that spinoff they did with
558
00:29:31.789 --> 00:29:34.750
like the US, Australia, all those like Nelson was there.
559
00:29:34.809 --> 00:29:35.509
Nelson's never won.
560
00:29:35.529 --> 00:29:36.210
Right.
561
00:29:36.630 --> 00:29:40.329
I mean, Ben was there. Ben didn't win USA. So
562
00:29:40.450 --> 00:29:42.029
that's a great question of if it was supposed to
563
00:29:42.049 --> 00:29:43.890
be only champions, why you didn't get the call.
564
00:29:44.950 --> 00:29:47.970
So I did get an availability call and then I
565
00:29:48.069 --> 00:29:54.430
got passed up for whatever reason. And it, I mean,
566
00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:58.759
I've said this before, I'll say it again. I don't
567
00:29:58.859 --> 00:30:02.680
think I was ever supposed to win this show. I
568
00:30:02.700 --> 00:30:05.660
don't think they wanted me to, to win this show.
569
00:30:07.140 --> 00:30:10.279
I think because I was with Tori, we were able to,
570
00:30:10.740 --> 00:30:13.359
and I'm not saying it was ever the, the, the,
571
00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:17.019
the cards were stacked against me or anything, but when
572
00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:19.819
I first got on there, right, we go full circle
573
00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:23.190
from like self-proclaimed one of the worst, half of one
574
00:30:23.210 --> 00:30:25.750
of the worst duos to ever play. Yeah. And then,
575
00:30:26.549 --> 00:30:31.059
And then I go into Dirty 30 and I lose
576
00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:33.799
right away, but I'm providing entertainment. So I get called
577
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:37.079
back for vendettas. And then I go into vendettas and
578
00:30:37.099 --> 00:30:41.410
I provide some entertainment, but I fall short of the championship, right?
579
00:30:41.910 --> 00:30:43.789
And then I go into double agents and I do
580
00:30:43.829 --> 00:30:46.390
the thing that Devin's supposed to do, which is yell
581
00:30:46.430 --> 00:30:48.470
math problems at somebody and then lose.
582
00:30:49.049 --> 00:30:51.210
But then I go back into 37.
583
00:30:51.190 --> 00:30:51.920
And in 37, it is....
584
00:30:56.769 --> 00:30:59.009
It's utter dominance across the board.
585
00:30:59.029 --> 00:31:02.869
Yeah. And in the final, I trained that entire season.
586
00:31:03.369 --> 00:31:06.650
I have like a 90 minute lead on everybody before
587
00:31:07.250 --> 00:31:09.009
the aggregate time gets wiped clean.
588
00:31:09.029 --> 00:31:11.119
Yeah. That final was complete bullshit in my opinion.
589
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:13.880
It is what it is. That's just the way the
590
00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:17.700
cookie crumbles. And it was, I know it was set
591
00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:19.920
up that way no matter what, but it was just
592
00:31:19.980 --> 00:31:24.519
interesting because I, I won the individual checkpoints by 90
593
00:31:24.519 --> 00:31:27.390
minutes and, And then our team won all of the
594
00:31:27.450 --> 00:31:31.009
team checkpoints. So me and CT were first and second,
595
00:31:31.269 --> 00:31:34.329
but separated by 90 minutes. And we got the same reward.
596
00:31:35.950 --> 00:31:38.549
So then we go into ride or dies, we win
597
00:31:38.589 --> 00:31:41.210
the show. So all of a sudden now, the kid
598
00:31:41.250 --> 00:31:43.789
that was casted to kind of be chaotic and fuck
599
00:31:43.809 --> 00:31:48.500
stuff up and lose eventually, has come very close to
600
00:31:48.539 --> 00:31:52.240
winning and then won. And so I think that there
601
00:31:52.299 --> 00:31:53.160
was something to.
602
00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:58.809
He might run it back. Like he's in very good
603
00:31:58.869 --> 00:32:02.670
shape right now. And because it happened right afterwards and
604
00:32:02.710 --> 00:32:04.970
I was in great shape for the end of ride
605
00:32:05.009 --> 00:32:07.829
or dies. And I came home and I like immediately
606
00:32:07.869 --> 00:32:10.670
had that phone call with them. And I started like
607
00:32:11.230 --> 00:32:16.160
fucking running mountainous 10 Ks and it working out in
608
00:32:16.170 --> 00:32:19.240
a hundred degree heat. And I was like, in my mind,
609
00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:21.380
I had the script. All my friends were going to
610
00:32:21.420 --> 00:32:23.660
go there. It would have been a little bit of
611
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:26.809
a steam roll. And I think for whatever reason, that
612
00:32:26.849 --> 00:32:30.549
just wasn't in the cards. I think there's characters that
613
00:32:30.589 --> 00:32:32.950
are supposed to do well. And then I think there's
614
00:32:32.990 --> 00:32:36.309
characters that are supposed to be entertaining. And there's characters
615
00:32:36.329 --> 00:32:40.710
that are supposed to do both. And I don't know
616
00:32:40.769 --> 00:32:42.410
if they're casting me as a both guy.
617
00:32:43.829 --> 00:32:45.670
You think you could have beat Jordan in that final?
618
00:32:47.269 --> 00:32:47.950
Here's the thing.
619
00:32:49.690 --> 00:32:53.349
Butterfly effect is interesting, right? Because Him with, what was
620
00:32:53.369 --> 00:32:53.730
her name?
621
00:32:53.789 --> 00:32:54.450
Kaz, maybe?
622
00:32:54.670 --> 00:32:54.970
Kaz.
623
00:32:55.950 --> 00:32:59.130
Right. So him with Kaz, tough to beat. But does
624
00:32:59.150 --> 00:33:04.119
he get her if I'm there? So, like, insert me
625
00:33:04.220 --> 00:33:05.819
with who else? Tori?
626
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:07.140
Probably we beat him, I think.
627
00:33:07.500 --> 00:33:07.940
Yeah, I do.
628
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:11.819
I think that we beat him because I think that, like,
629
00:33:12.660 --> 00:33:14.779
or put me with Casey, I think we beat him, yeah.
630
00:33:14.980 --> 00:33:17.380
Or put him with somebody else, I think there's an opportunity.
631
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:19.390
Yeah, I think they would have given you somebody from
632
00:33:19.410 --> 00:33:22.960
the internationals, you know, like a, Sarah Lucina, Emily, who
633
00:33:22.980 --> 00:33:25.579
was an Olympian, Kiki, who won Australia.
634
00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:30.539
Right. A capable, a capable player. And I think having
635
00:33:30.619 --> 00:33:33.410
come off of, correct me if I'm wrong, but that
636
00:33:33.450 --> 00:33:36.869
was like a, they picked their partners type of thing.
637
00:33:37.450 --> 00:33:38.849
Like they ran like a combine.
638
00:33:39.210 --> 00:33:44.089
Yeah, they did combine. And then the internationals got to
639
00:33:44.150 --> 00:33:46.039
pick the flagship vets.
640
00:33:46.750 --> 00:33:49.349
Right. So you've got to assume that if you're coming
641
00:33:49.470 --> 00:33:52.809
off of the last flagship victory, you're going to be
642
00:33:52.829 --> 00:33:54.950
a relatively high draft pick, which means you're going to
643
00:33:54.970 --> 00:34:00.130
get somebody that's a very, in this scenario, physically fit girl.
644
00:34:00.890 --> 00:34:03.369
And if all I have to do is run as
645
00:34:03.430 --> 00:34:06.849
fast as my partner and solve the puzzles and eat
646
00:34:07.009 --> 00:34:12.800
girl's shit, that'll be hard to beat. So I do
647
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:15.760
think there was a significant chance there. And then when
648
00:34:15.780 --> 00:34:18.360
you go to a season like USA 2, which I
649
00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:21.219
probably was never going to get casted on anyways, but
650
00:34:21.420 --> 00:34:23.820
I did get a call for it. It just didn't
651
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:26.500
end up working out. You then go to the hopper
652
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:31.619
and you look at that cast list and there's not
653
00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:34.340
a single person there that's thrown my name in that hopper.
654
00:34:34.969 --> 00:34:38.630
So I think there was a decent chance if I
655
00:34:38.670 --> 00:34:41.050
go to both of those, I probably do win one
656
00:34:41.070 --> 00:34:46.500
of them. 40 is interesting because it was kind of uh,
657
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:51.809
wrong time, wrong place, fair amount of rust back against
658
00:34:51.869 --> 00:34:56.150
the wall, kind of from the beginning and enter a relationship. Yeah.
659
00:34:56.409 --> 00:34:59.420
Plus it's the worst house we've I've ever been in.
660
00:35:00.139 --> 00:35:04.980
It was brutal. Um, and it was fucking hot and
661
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:08.880
uncomfortable and, and, and, and it was long.
662
00:35:08.940 --> 00:35:10.619
I think it was 11 weeks long.
663
00:35:11.429 --> 00:35:15.550
Um, so it was just like, a really tough scenario
664
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:18.980
in 40 for me where I kind of mentally broke.
665
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:23.619
And then we went, then we go all-stars five, which
666
00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:27.469
is the last you've seen me, where we get completely
667
00:35:27.610 --> 00:35:32.550
fucked by Bad Breath Daria. So who I thought, we
668
00:35:32.590 --> 00:35:34.570
had kind of split the cast up and been like,
669
00:35:34.650 --> 00:35:37.650
all right, you focus on these people, I'll focus on
670
00:35:37.670 --> 00:35:43.039
these people. And Leroy was so confident in Daria And
671
00:35:43.500 --> 00:35:45.780
I was asking him throughout the show, like, are you
672
00:35:45.900 --> 00:35:49.239
really confident in Dario? Because if you run the tapes
673
00:35:49.300 --> 00:35:54.260
back to Rivals 3, Dario wins a mission at a
674
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:58.179
pivotal moment as the opportunity to put Vince against Johnny. Yeah.
675
00:36:00.460 --> 00:36:03.179
Eight hours later, we go to bed. We're putting Vince
676
00:36:03.219 --> 00:36:06.570
against Johnny. We go to bed. We wake up. It's
677
00:36:06.650 --> 00:36:12.489
fucking me, Cheyenne, and Wes, and Nani. going in against,
678
00:36:12.789 --> 00:36:15.550
I think it was like Nate or someone. He completely
679
00:36:15.630 --> 00:36:19.230
botched it because he's so weak-minded. He thinks a big
680
00:36:19.309 --> 00:36:24.110
move is like stabbing someone in the back. When Dario's
681
00:36:24.130 --> 00:36:26.110
the kind of person where if the right move for
682
00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:29.179
his game was right in front of his fucking face,
683
00:36:29.539 --> 00:36:31.739
he will close his eyes, turn around, and make a
684
00:36:31.780 --> 00:36:35.519
different move just because he psychs himself out. So he
685
00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:38.760
was trying to separate friendship from game. But what he
686
00:36:38.780 --> 00:36:42.570
didn't realize is that we were his insolations. So that's
687
00:36:42.650 --> 00:36:48.860
another season where if we win that elimination, Steve and
688
00:36:49.010 --> 00:36:50.239
Adam go on to win the whole thing.
689
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:54.420
So that's another one that probably got away.
690
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:55.199
Could have been.
691
00:36:55.980 --> 00:36:56.960
Definitely could have been.
692
00:36:57.239 --> 00:36:59.239
Yeah. Definitely could have been.
693
00:36:59.260 --> 00:37:04.469
Was there calls for Vets and New Threats and Cutthroat? Oh, yeah.
694
00:37:04.510 --> 00:37:09.300
Call for 41, call for 42, clipped on both. 42...
695
00:37:09.300 --> 00:37:12.380
somewhat earlier than 41 they all kind of bleed together
696
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:19.260
but i think 41 i was somewhat through the process
697
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:22.659
i think for one of them i was i was
698
00:37:22.699 --> 00:37:27.090
like taking the psych exam um so it was probably
699
00:37:27.090 --> 00:37:29.489
42 because i didn't need to for 41 because it
700
00:37:29.530 --> 00:37:32.590
was so close but either way calls for both just
701
00:37:32.670 --> 00:37:35.530
not make it don't make it past like don't make
702
00:37:35.550 --> 00:37:38.980
it to the contract stage so not an alternate not there.
703
00:37:38.980 --> 00:37:41.510
41, I completely understand.
704
00:37:42.929 --> 00:37:48.110
And now, in retrospect, looking at 42, in this format,
705
00:37:48.750 --> 00:37:50.869
if you put me in there with Tori and Michelle,
706
00:37:51.469 --> 00:37:52.849
what do you think happens? Yeah.
707
00:37:53.010 --> 00:37:55.630
I mean, they're steamrolling themselves without you, you know?
708
00:37:56.289 --> 00:37:57.309
Right.
709
00:37:58.329 --> 00:38:01.880
So you would come back, hypothetically, for 43, 44, and
710
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:03.280
more seasons of The Challenge.
711
00:38:03.900 --> 00:38:07.079
I would love to come back. I think it's definitely...
712
00:38:08.059 --> 00:38:13.800
a show that just keeps getting more winnable as you
713
00:38:14.929 --> 00:38:19.329
continue to build experience and relationships. And having taken a
714
00:38:19.630 --> 00:38:25.849
couple off unintentionally, the smoke is definitely settled. And I
715
00:38:25.909 --> 00:38:28.090
think that there's a fair, well, maybe with the Polly
716
00:38:28.110 --> 00:38:29.880
and Dev show, there's a fair amount of smoke still.
717
00:38:29.889 --> 00:38:36.909
But I think that from a competition standpoint, there's not
718
00:38:36.949 --> 00:38:40.409
a lot of guys left in the, in the franchise
719
00:38:40.449 --> 00:38:43.050
with my skillset. So I think I've got a pretty
720
00:38:43.130 --> 00:38:45.730
good shot every time I step on the pitch.
721
00:38:47.889 --> 00:38:49.250
I want to talk about the Polly and Dev show.
722
00:38:49.329 --> 00:38:52.969
How did that, you know, come out, come to be, um,
723
00:38:52.989 --> 00:38:55.829
you know, the only season that we saw you guys together,
724
00:38:56.030 --> 00:38:58.969
I mean, battle the eras, I guess, but final reckoning,
725
00:38:58.989 --> 00:39:01.480
you guys were together. I didn't know you guys were
726
00:39:01.539 --> 00:39:03.219
as close as kind of what I'm trying to say here. Um,
727
00:39:04.690 --> 00:39:06.670
to start a podcast. So how did that all come together?
728
00:39:06.690 --> 00:39:07.670
Yeah.
729
00:39:07.710 --> 00:39:12.119
So it's, it's interesting. It's actually, we weren't super close, um,
730
00:39:13.219 --> 00:39:21.519
before we got closer after 40. So he went home,
731
00:39:21.619 --> 00:39:25.949
obviously from the Theo Hall brawl. And I was still
732
00:39:26.010 --> 00:39:27.710
in Vietnam. I ended up staying in Vietnam for like
733
00:39:27.789 --> 00:39:30.699
three weeks. because I not was thinking Michelle was going
734
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:32.780
to get eliminated but I was like if she does
735
00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:35.920
then I'll be here um the only reason I went
736
00:39:35.980 --> 00:39:39.940
home literally the only reason I went home was because
737
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:43.659
I was coming back to film All Stars in ten
738
00:39:43.699 --> 00:39:47.150
days yeah so we literally like were going to be
739
00:39:47.250 --> 00:39:50.800
passing in the airport um I think there was five
740
00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:53.840
days of separation between when their final wrapped and we
741
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:56.380
flew out for all stars five and it was back
742
00:39:56.400 --> 00:40:00.260
to Vietnam. So I was staying there and, you know,
743
00:40:00.300 --> 00:40:02.969
I would just kind of, I don't, I don't know
744
00:40:03.030 --> 00:40:06.170
exactly why I, I was, but I was just wanting
745
00:40:06.210 --> 00:40:09.469
to check up on him because it was like a, um,
746
00:40:09.710 --> 00:40:14.119
I've always, even though I think it's been somewhat unmutual,
747
00:40:14.579 --> 00:40:18.380
I'd always kind of liked Pauly, uh, in his antics
748
00:40:18.460 --> 00:40:20.960
and in what he brought to the show, I think at,
749
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:24.539
at some time or another, he probably, I probably wasn't
750
00:40:24.579 --> 00:40:28.400
his favorite guy. Um, but you know, when you watch
751
00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:31.949
somebody with, with that much heart go out like that,
752
00:40:32.449 --> 00:40:34.449
I just like wanted to check up on him.
753
00:40:34.510 --> 00:40:37.070
And I do that like with my friends from the challenge.
754
00:40:37.349 --> 00:40:37.530
Yeah.
755
00:40:37.829 --> 00:40:40.150
Um, especially after a loss, cause I know how bad
756
00:40:40.210 --> 00:40:41.030
it sucks to lose.
757
00:40:41.090 --> 00:40:43.949
So we had kind of started chatting, uh, while I
758
00:40:43.989 --> 00:40:46.590
was still in Vietnam, just like, you know, here and
759
00:40:46.610 --> 00:40:48.769
there on the phone, just like catching up, how you doing?
760
00:40:48.829 --> 00:40:50.050
Here's the update on what I.
761
00:40:50.030 --> 00:40:54.769
Have about like who might still be there or whatnot.
762
00:40:55.610 --> 00:40:58.909
And cause he wasn't allowed to talk to Cara because
763
00:40:58.949 --> 00:41:00.320
he was on the show. Yeah.
764
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:02.500
And at that point they were very much still together.
765
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:05.619
So I was kind of calling him just to be like, Hey,
766
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:07.980
you know, a, how are you doing? But then be like,
767
00:41:08.019 --> 00:41:10.300
I know you can't talk to your girlfriend and I'm
768
00:41:10.380 --> 00:41:13.989
obviously not a replacement for your girlfriend, but I can
769
00:41:14.030 --> 00:41:16.909
at least tell you that like, she seems like she's
770
00:41:16.949 --> 00:41:20.260
in good spirits and she's not like having a meltdown
771
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:23.820
and you know, there's, you can like rest easy in
772
00:41:23.940 --> 00:41:26.280
some sense that she's doing okay.
773
00:41:27.099 --> 00:41:30.179
Because those games are, are a mind fuck, especially.
774
00:41:29.699 --> 00:41:34.280
For when your significant other is on it and you're not,
775
00:41:34.699 --> 00:41:36.110
and you can't talk to him at all.
776
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:37.030
It's hard.
777
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:38.809
I can't, I've never had to do that, but it
778
00:41:38.869 --> 00:41:39.530
must be brutal.
779
00:41:39.889 --> 00:41:40.449
Yeah.
780
00:41:41.030 --> 00:41:45.559
So we ended up, kind of building just a friendship
781
00:41:45.619 --> 00:41:46.530
in that regard.
782
00:41:46.659 --> 00:41:48.789
And then he asked me to co-host.
783
00:41:48.250 --> 00:41:51.630
A boxing event in.
784
00:41:52.329 --> 00:41:53.809
I think it was Montana.
785
00:41:53.829 --> 00:41:56.710
It was Montana. So I went out there. We co-hosted
786
00:41:56.730 --> 00:41:58.820
this boxing event. It was super fun. We ended up
787
00:41:58.860 --> 00:42:03.980
doing New Year's with Cara and Michelle, her sister, came.
788
00:42:05.219 --> 00:42:10.030
So we were kind of in business together in that sense.
789
00:42:10.750 --> 00:42:15.329
And then when Cara and Michelle both left to film
790
00:42:15.369 --> 00:42:18.610
the challenge. He was kind of checking up on me
791
00:42:18.710 --> 00:42:21.340
being like, dude, this sucks. Like, I know I've been
792
00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:25.179
there before. How you doing? And we were kind of like, dude,
793
00:42:25.699 --> 00:42:28.159
I was like, dude, I'm bored as fuck. Like, and
794
00:42:28.179 --> 00:42:31.659
he was like, I'm also bored. And we had a
795
00:42:31.699 --> 00:42:34.949
long conversation one day just about, I forget what it
796
00:42:35.010 --> 00:42:37.670
was about. It was about reality TV. And I was like, dude,
797
00:42:38.110 --> 00:42:40.449
we should just fucking record this one day and put
798
00:42:40.469 --> 00:42:43.710
it out there. Um, So we did. We took the
799
00:42:43.750 --> 00:42:49.250
Wes Bergman approach to entrepreneurship, which is make one, sell one.
800
00:42:50.250 --> 00:42:53.489
And so we made one podcast and we didn't sell it.
801
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:56.980
We gave it out for free. But it was really fun.
802
00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:00.780
And so we made fucking five more and put five
803
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:03.659
more out there. And then we got our audio and
804
00:43:03.699 --> 00:43:09.250
video team dialed in so that the quality went up significantly.
805
00:43:09.389 --> 00:43:12.250
And we've been been having fun with it.
806
00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:14.900
I'm glad to hear that. I mean, I've enjoyed listening.
807
00:43:14.940 --> 00:43:17.409
I just was surprised by it, to be honest with you.
808
00:43:18.309 --> 00:43:21.429
It is an odd couple. It is an odd couple.
809
00:43:21.510 --> 00:43:24.590
And I think that's what makes it a fun dynamic
810
00:43:24.690 --> 00:43:31.800
is like, we see things so differently. Like I always
811
00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:34.440
use this analogy and for people that do listen to
812
00:43:34.460 --> 00:43:36.900
the Pauline Dev show, I'm sure you've heard it before.
813
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:42.900
If there is a pile of rocks, And you have
814
00:43:42.940 --> 00:43:45.599
to move them from point A to point B. And
815
00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:49.699
there's a wheelchair that's deconstructed 100 yards away. I am
816
00:43:49.820 --> 00:43:53.699
going over the deconstructed wheelbarrow, taking 15 minutes to put
817
00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:56.219
it together, wheeling it back over to the pile of
818
00:43:56.280 --> 00:43:58.900
rocks and moving them all at one time. Every single
819
00:43:58.940 --> 00:44:01.719
time I'm doing that. And Pauly is picking those rocks
820
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:06.280
up himself and running them. And we'll see who figures
821
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:09.369
it out. But that is such our style when it
822
00:44:09.429 --> 00:44:12.139
comes to breaking down the game. that it's fun for
823
00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:14.940
us to bounce ideas off each other because it's like
824
00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:17.619
a complete new world of viewing things. I'm like, I
825
00:44:17.659 --> 00:44:20.659
would literally never do it that way. So it makes
826
00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:22.559
for an interesting breakdown.
827
00:44:23.139 --> 00:44:25.780
For sure. I know we're getting short on time. So
828
00:44:25.820 --> 00:44:27.420
I want to get to some listener questions really quick,
829
00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:28.000
if you don't mind.
830
00:44:28.380 --> 00:44:28.619
Sure.
831
00:44:29.099 --> 00:44:31.260
So I was going to talk to you about this
832
00:44:31.579 --> 00:44:34.300
during the interview, but there were so many listener questions
833
00:44:34.340 --> 00:44:35.559
about it. I thought I would just bring it up now.
834
00:44:36.019 --> 00:44:38.139
What are your thoughts on the triple DQ between Josh
835
00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:40.789
Nelson and Leo and and all of that and not
836
00:44:40.809 --> 00:44:41.389
being shown.
837
00:44:43.489 --> 00:44:51.960
Okay. So here's my thoughts on it. Unfortunate situation from
838
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:57.480
what I've heard completely and totally unacceptable on Josh's part.
839
00:44:58.619 --> 00:45:02.739
And I feel terrible for Leo and for Nelson, but
840
00:45:03.110 --> 00:45:06.269
both of them have kind of come out and said
841
00:45:06.289 --> 00:45:11.139
that there isn't a real reason why I should have
842
00:45:11.219 --> 00:45:14.530
thought that the rules also don't apply to me. So
843
00:45:14.590 --> 00:45:17.829
I understand that it could look like from a viewer's
844
00:45:17.889 --> 00:45:21.929
perspective that it was just like painted with.
845
00:45:21.829 --> 00:45:22.969
A really broad brush.
846
00:45:23.769 --> 00:45:27.010
Um, and I do understand the frustration in having it
847
00:45:27.110 --> 00:45:30.829
not play out, but I actually don't know. I know
848
00:45:30.909 --> 00:45:35.460
it happened like not on an off day, but on a,
849
00:45:36.260 --> 00:45:38.780
during a time they weren't doing a ton of filming.
850
00:45:39.019 --> 00:45:40.539
Yeah, it was like a Saturday. It was like an
851
00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:41.179
offshoot day.
852
00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:45.119
I don't even know if they have it, right? And
853
00:45:45.300 --> 00:45:48.420
because there wasn't like a fight between two people, I
854
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:57.239
don't know if there would have been like a reason
855
00:45:57.400 --> 00:46:01.099
to bring light to something that's so ugly.
856
00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:03.519
And so I can.
857
00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:07.949
See them kind of saying, you know what, this is
858
00:46:07.989 --> 00:46:10.460
just something we're going to decide not to do. Would
859
00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:15.280
I have decided to do it that way? No. But
860
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:21.760
I totally understand and I can see that angle for sure.
861
00:46:21.929 --> 00:46:25.289
Is it disappointing that the situation happened at all? Yes.
862
00:46:25.829 --> 00:46:29.150
Is it really disappointing that it ended up cutting Leo
863
00:46:29.409 --> 00:46:33.389
and Nelson's time short? Absolutely. But we are, I will
864
00:46:33.429 --> 00:46:38.190
say this, we sit down before every season and it
865
00:46:38.269 --> 00:46:41.630
is like really clearly laid out what you can and
866
00:46:41.670 --> 00:46:44.780
can't do and what you can and can't say and
867
00:46:44.820 --> 00:46:49.699
how you can and can't just like act in general
868
00:46:50.219 --> 00:46:54.639
it is very clearly laid out so I'm certainly not
869
00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:58.199
blaming Nelson for his reaction to the situation but if
870
00:46:58.219 --> 00:47:00.800
you asked him yourself I think if he could go
871
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:04.130
back in time he would change it that's easier said
872
00:47:04.150 --> 00:47:07.610
than done in a moment like that to feel like
873
00:47:07.750 --> 00:47:09.949
all of those emotions and they come out, however they
874
00:47:09.989 --> 00:47:11.710
come out, I totally get it.
875
00:47:11.789 --> 00:47:14.269
But yeah, it's disappointing. The whole thing's disappointing.
876
00:47:14.670 --> 00:47:17.309
I can just, I do understand them not wanting to
877
00:47:17.469 --> 00:47:20.719
overshadow what has been, in my opinion, a really good
878
00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:25.739
season with like this, like TJ coming in and be like, Hey,
879
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:29.400
here's what happened. If there's not footage to back it up. Right.
880
00:47:29.739 --> 00:47:31.099
And I don't know if there is, or there isn't,
881
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:36.630
I wasn't there. But what I will say is, It's 2026.
882
00:47:36.630 --> 00:47:42.699
There is no excuse, absolutely no excuse for it to
883
00:47:42.739 --> 00:47:48.460
get to that point. And it's just like something that's really,
884
00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:52.539
really disappointing at any time in any area would be disappointing,
885
00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:56.570
especially now. And then especially to try to justify it,
886
00:47:57.079 --> 00:48:00.530
you know, the way that Josh did is just not, he's,
887
00:48:02.030 --> 00:48:04.289
I don't know, he's not my tribe. He's just not.
888
00:48:05.099 --> 00:48:05.679
No, I hear that.
889
00:48:06.219 --> 00:48:07.480
Yeah.
890
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:09.840
Somebody said, who would be your dream partner for a
891
00:48:09.909 --> 00:48:10.650
rival season?
892
00:48:12.090 --> 00:48:13.789
Ooh, rival season.
893
00:48:13.809 --> 00:48:15.769
I got to think about some, I got to think
894
00:48:15.789 --> 00:48:19.690
about a frenemy, you know, like someone that I think
895
00:48:20.510 --> 00:48:24.489
is lame, but it would be fun to kind of
896
00:48:24.630 --> 00:48:25.230
fuck with them.
897
00:48:25.250 --> 00:48:27.130
And then also maybe we could win and I can
898
00:48:27.170 --> 00:48:27.699
steal the money.
899
00:48:28.449 --> 00:48:36.769
So I would go. Josh. Hmm. Josh would be so great.
900
00:48:37.329 --> 00:48:38.849
Josh would be so great.
901
00:48:39.849 --> 00:48:40.909
Josh is up there.
902
00:48:40.929 --> 00:48:45.039
Josh is up there, but I would prefer, I think
903
00:48:45.099 --> 00:48:50.139
I would prefer a girl just because it would be,
904
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:53.500
it would be even funnier. Like I'm just thinking strictly
905
00:48:53.559 --> 00:49:00.820
from a entertainment scenario. And Oh my God, Johnny, Johnny, Johnny,
906
00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:05.150
me and Johnny would be a disaster. Yeah. Yeah.
907
00:49:05.369 --> 00:49:07.909
That's a good one. Some people are asking what's eight
908
00:49:07.929 --> 00:49:12.659
times nine. 72. Yeah. Yeah. I know our time is
909
00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:14.079
running up. So I want to end with this one.
910
00:49:14.539 --> 00:49:16.829
Somebody asked about challenge goat, male and female, but I
911
00:49:16.869 --> 00:49:19.949
want to change it. Can you just give us your
912
00:49:20.110 --> 00:49:22.329
male Matt Rushmore and your female Matt Rushmore to end
913
00:49:22.489 --> 00:49:24.090
the podcast?
914
00:49:25.409 --> 00:49:26.190
Yeah.
915
00:49:26.269 --> 00:49:28.389
I got to go with people that I know, right?
916
00:49:28.409 --> 00:49:33.820
So I'm going to go Lifetime Achievement Awards, essentially. It's EZ, Jordan, CT.
917
00:49:33.920 --> 00:49:36.039
And Johnny.
918
00:49:37.739 --> 00:49:42.699
Johnny? And then I put Wes there with honorable mention
919
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:45.940
to Darrell because he won four straight, carried a big
920
00:49:46.019 --> 00:49:52.360
portion of those early seasons, and probably would have won
921
00:49:52.420 --> 00:49:55.039
five if he hadn't gotten in a fight with her,
922
00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:58.920
if Brad hadn't gotten in a fight with him. And
923
00:49:58.980 --> 00:50:04.309
then from a female standpoint, and this could definitely be controversial,
924
00:50:04.829 --> 00:50:07.650
but a lot of people say Evelyn. I don't know Evelyn, right?
925
00:50:08.179 --> 00:50:10.519
So I'm going to go with Tori.
926
00:50:10.539 --> 00:50:11.679
Okay.
927
00:50:11.780 --> 00:50:13.280
Casey. Okay.
928
00:50:13.619 --> 00:50:15.440
There's not a lot of people that can beat Casey.
929
00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:16.619
No, I agree.
930
00:50:17.179 --> 00:50:20.800
I would go Cara because she's the first ever female
931
00:50:20.900 --> 00:50:23.820
solo winner. And then.
932
00:50:25.539 --> 00:50:28.420
This is greatest of all time career, right?
933
00:50:28.820 --> 00:50:29.199
Yeah.
934
00:50:29.340 --> 00:50:32.510
I know this sounds fucking crazy, but I would put
935
00:50:32.550 --> 00:50:34.739
Veronica there. Okay.
936
00:50:34.889 --> 00:50:37.429
I would put Veronica there because she has the most.
937
00:50:38.940 --> 00:50:41.809
Yeah, she's tied with Evelyn for three. The one name
938
00:50:41.829 --> 00:50:43.849
I was waiting for was Laurel.
939
00:50:45.829 --> 00:50:49.090
I like Laurel, but I don't think she's Rushmore status, personally.
940
00:50:49.409 --> 00:50:53.170
Okay. Yeah. I think Jenny could get there eventually.
941
00:50:53.190 --> 00:50:55.809
Again, I think.
942
00:50:55.829 --> 00:50:57.170
She's not.
943
00:50:57.110 --> 00:50:59.010
There yet, but I think if she does more, I mean,
944
00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:00.920
Jenny is a beast.
945
00:51:01.980 --> 00:51:04.639
I am a Jenny denier. Really?
946
00:51:05.179 --> 00:51:07.280
Yeah, I'm a Jenny denier. I just don't think she's
947
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:07.639
very good.
948
00:51:08.429 --> 00:51:08.949
Interesting.
949
00:51:09.460 --> 00:51:10.639
Yeah.
950
00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:12.539
When they clip this and put you guys on a
951
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:15.019
rival season together, there's another win for you right there.
952
00:51:15.139 --> 00:51:17.960
I don't know. Listen, it's not that I dislike her
953
00:51:17.980 --> 00:51:22.110
as a person. I just, I watched her play. I saw,
954
00:51:22.730 --> 00:51:25.570
you know, kind of what she does. And I just
955
00:51:25.690 --> 00:51:29.170
don't think she's very good. If there was a group
956
00:51:29.230 --> 00:51:32.179
of people laid out in front of me and Jenny
957
00:51:32.219 --> 00:51:34.840
was one of them, I would like on any given season,
958
00:51:34.860 --> 00:51:37.710
she's like my ninth, 10th, 11th pick. Really?
959
00:51:37.889 --> 00:51:38.349
Interesting.
960
00:51:38.769 --> 00:51:42.369
Yeah. I'm a Jenny Denier. Jenny West Denier. You're first.
961
00:51:42.849 --> 00:51:45.210
Love it. Love it. I want to say thank you
962
00:51:45.230 --> 00:51:46.789
so much for taking the time to come on. Any
963
00:51:46.849 --> 00:51:48.670
last words where we can find you on social media,
964
00:51:49.010 --> 00:51:50.969
where we can find your podcast, I'll link it all
965
00:51:51.010 --> 00:51:52.389
down below, which is your time to shine.
966
00:51:52.969 --> 00:51:54.219
Yeah, absolutely.
967
00:51:54.340 --> 00:51:56.889
Just do me a favor and check out the Pauly
968
00:51:56.969 --> 00:52:00.599
and Dev show on YouTube or Spotify. And you want
969
00:52:00.619 --> 00:52:02.719
to know what, if you listen and you like it,
970
00:52:03.110 --> 00:52:06.889
Fucking hit the subscribe button and do the same thing
971
00:52:06.949 --> 00:52:11.159
for Dylan, okay? It helps the algorithm. Don't listen and
972
00:52:11.199 --> 00:52:13.480
not subscribe. It's late.
973
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:14.659
Dylan, thanks for having me.
974
00:52:14.940 --> 00:52:16.480
Of course. That's all I have. I hope you have
975
00:52:16.500 --> 00:52:16.929
a good night.
976
00:52:17.510 --> 00:52:18.690
Thanks a lot, brother. I appreciate it.
977
00:52:18.929 --> 00:52:19.449
Have a good one.
978
00:52:19.969 --> 00:52:20.170
Later.
979
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980
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981
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982
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983
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984
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985
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986
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